The System Behind a Sustainable Preaching Rhythm | Ep 47

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Hello, my friends, and welcome to the ReadySet Grow Podcast.
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I'm Mark Brewer, your host, and I have Scott Wilson and Hunter Wilson here with us today.
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We get a lot of calls, we get a lot of texts, we get a lot of pings from pastors who are navigating through preparing for Sunday.
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Because Sunday's coming, it's coming every single week, and there's a lot of pressure to perform, to produce.
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And the big question is how could it be more sustainable?
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Where I feel like uh it's it's not just me solo trying to figure this out.
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How could I invite the team to be a part of this?
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And then what should be the rhythms on a weekly basis to really get after this thing that's coming over and over and over again?
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So we're talking about develop for me, it was developing a teaching team.
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And when I'm talking about a teaching team, sometimes when I say that, people go like, Oh, you mean, okay, so I'll preach less and get other people to preach.
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Yes, there's part of that.
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I think, you know, I came, and let's just hit that right now, that that I came to a place where I go, you know, I'm gonna preach, there's 50, let's say there's 52 Sundays in a year, I'm gonna preach 38 of them.
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And people go like, How can you do that?
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You can't do that.
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How can you be the leader and be preaching and be a founder?
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No matter how good you are, if you're every week, that becomes the average.
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That becomes expected.
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So it's not even like he's so special of my pastor to preach.
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He's good, but I mean he's I get every week.
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You get used to it.
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So part of it is having a cadence where it's not your voice, so another voice can come in so it can be heard.
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It's not monotone.
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It's like hearing it, like you even told me one time I was monotone.
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I said, I'm not monotone, I get I I talk, yeah.
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You said, Yeah, you're monotone, da-da-da-da.
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You're at this one tone, da-da.
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You know, like this.
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And uh that people tune it out because it's just one tone.
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There's not variation.
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So to have other voices speak, how many times have you had it where somebody speaks and everybody goes like, oh my word, that was a great thing.
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You're coming on.
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I just preached that same text with those same points three weeks ago.
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Well, I don't remember it.
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You know, it's just how it is.
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So, number one, you want to have other voices in it.
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Number two, I don't want it to be around my personality.
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And so I want it to be where it's about God's word more than it is about my personality, and so and having other people on there doing it.
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But thirdly, when I'm thinking about teaching team, way more importantly to me, is that we have a sustainable, healthy way to help create, hear what God's saying and bringing in.
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So I know that when I'm hearing from God, I'm hearing it from my perspective, from my life, from the way I see it, the way I'm thinking.
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But if I can have other people's voices and perspective in that, it's actually going to give a better, healthy, fuller communication to the whole of the crowd.
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Because there's some people in the in the congregation who aren't from my perspective or from my uh way of thinking or season of life.
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And so to create a team is to create a group of people that are going to help you in creating the messages.
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Most every obstacle, most every goal, most uh everything that's meaningful is done better uh with a team.
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And so this thing that happens every single week, uh that Sunday experience and that preaching uh is more sustainable, but probably even better when you are doing it as a team instead of you're this solo genius who has to get the word and nobody else is speaking into it.
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I think part of building the team is is looking at the calendar is where it all starts.
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So really towards the beginning of the year or towards the end of the year, I think up from a macro point of view, we're looking at the the rhythms and the seasons that we're looking into of what kind of series are we gonna be doing as a whole.
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And we're trying to plan out a rough sketch and outline written in pencil type of thing of what does the year look like.
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So we have a yearly view of what the year is gonna look like.
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Then we zoom in a little bit more, and what we're gonna try to do is create a sermon series brief, which is basically saying, what should the expected outcomes look like from this series?
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What are the main things we're trying to get people to know?
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What are the main things we're trying to get people to do?
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What is like the what does winning look like from this sermon series?
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Why are we doing this?
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Okay, we're gonna put that together.
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And then inside of that sermon series brief, we do a sermon brief, right?
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So basically, towards the beginning of the week, and then let's go into the weekly cadence, is we're putting together here's why or here's what I'm planning to do in this sermon.
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Um, kind of it's not necessarily the outline, it's basically hitting the primary beginning with the end in mind.
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Yes.
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What do I want people to know and what do I want people to do?
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And then here's the passage we're gonna hit.
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Yeah, here's what I want them to know, here's what I'm gonna do.
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The main reason we're doing this is because we wanted the whole experience of a Sunday morning to be revolved around one message, right?
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So what we're doing in kids, they know that because we did the year, then we did the sermon series brief, then we did the sermon brief, right?
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What we're doing with worship, we want that to be a part of it.
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What we're doing with our hosting and announcements, it's all centered around by the time somebody pulls into the parking lot to the time that they leave, they experienced uh alignment from the whole team.
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Let me make sure I'm clear on this.
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So, what I think I heard you just say is there is there is more than just the actual moment of I started preaching this message at 1015 and I was done at 1045.
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There's a lot more that goes into the on-ramp, the off-ramp, the lobby, deliverables, all of that.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so then I think there are some pastors on here that uh there's usually two groups.
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One group is a topical uh group.
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Hey, we create a topic, we we sense from the Lord that God wants us to hit this subject matter.
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Yeah.
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And then there's the more expository, hey, we're gonna pick a book of the Bible and we're gonna walk through it chapter by chapter.
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What we are saying is that this model, the weekly cadence, works for both of those.
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Yes, it doesn't matter.
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It's uh what we have, whatever we have decided upon, this weekly cadence actually works with both of those because you are uh probably the preeminent example of experiencing both of those.
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Yeah.
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Oh, we do both.
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And so uh now with Pastor Chris and Kara taking oaks, everything is except for like two or three, like a Christmas series, maybe, and like a summer series, the same that they do that's a break.
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Otherwise, like uh, you know, you were doing a book of the Bible, you know.
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And I love that.
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I love how we did it back and when I was doing it, I didn't do it that way.
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I kind of like it so much now, I wished I would have, you know, and that kind of even set up it was a lot easier than trying to figure out what's another cool series we could hit.
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You're you're still mapping that stuff out.
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You still have to go because this is the passage.
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What your passage is hitting is like, hey, let's align this to where the passage we're selecting.
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Like, we're talking about like for Father's Day, we're talking about this passage.
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And you know, you line that stuff up.
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So it's not as much uh heavy on the sermon series brief if you're going for a long time on the same book of the Bible.
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It's more of planning ahead of those sermon briefs.
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So we we have margin and time to look ahead and not just react week to week of like, um, this is what you don't want.
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A sermon series or a sermon brief that happens on a Tuesday morning, and then you tell the team, can y'all do something like cool and creative for Sunday?
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It's like, dude, you gave me like four days.
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Like you gave me three days.
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So we're trying to use this to plan ahead to be able to be a part of one message.
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But then now we're zooming in on the weekly cadence for the actual teaching team that's helping with the sermon.
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Right.
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And so how does that begin?
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Like you preach on Sunday and you just, you know, preach your guts out.
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You go home and you take a nap.
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What are you doing next to prepare from?
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Maybe you're starting to think about it at Sunday at like five o'clock at PM.
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You're like, I just woke up, you know, and now I'm about to start my next week.
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I'm thinking about tomorrow, staff meeting, all that kind of stuff.
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How do you think about your week in the teaching team?
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On Tuesday, we had our teaching team meeting, okay?
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And so it'd usually be like you had staff, we had prayer, whatever, and then uh later on we would have teaching teams.
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So whoever was on the teaching team, first of all, we had already decided, like you said, macro, what we're doing for the year.
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Then we said, okay, for the next month or for the next two months, however it is.
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Sermon series.
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This is the briefs, they everybody already has it.
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It's not like I'm writing it on Sunday to tell them Tuesday, they already have it.
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So they've already been talking, they've already been.
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I'm talking about our production team, our our graphics, our everything.
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They've already been working on, and maybe we need a testimony this week because we've already talked about it.
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You get it?
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So it's not like I'm trying to figure all that out on the Sunday.
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We've been planning two, three, four weeks ahead and discussing.
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You're giving them a profile.
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That sermon brief is essentially a profile of the outcome, maybe the passage that we're giving.
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The sermon series brief could be like, all right, we're in this sermon series, we're talking about the Sermon on the Mount.
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And, you know, in week three, that's where we're gonna get into like the Beatitudes part, and you know, we're gonna talk about this along the way is that when you provide that up front weeks out, then people are seeing things that connect to that profile.
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They're reading some rando book, they listen to some podcast.
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Man, I've just gotten down the road.
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I just saw this story that would be fitting perfect on beates.
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Yeah, so you're giving us a shot to be even better and more honed in on getting to the eventual outcome.
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Here's here's what happens with uh in in the old way of doing it, where I'm making something up this week and trying to figure it out and get be powerful and all of it, is I'm telling everybody, and then everybody goes, like, my God, I could have done that if you would have given me more time.
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Yeah.
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And then secondly, there's the hindsight's 2020.
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And so then they go, I need more time.
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And so then I go, okay, here's more time, here's the brief.
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And they go, I can't do it just off of a main idea.
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I need to know your whole outline.
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No, you don't.
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You need to know the one idea, and you can put all your songs together for that.
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We could get a testimony that supports a main idea.
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You don't need to know all the whole message.
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Well, if you would write your message three weeks, I can't do that.
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I mean, somebody else might, but I can't.
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But giving them the brief gets them to be able to do it.
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So Sunday afternoon, I'm looking.
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Oh, I know it the next week.
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If you're saying I'm using it Sunday night or Monday, whatever it is for Tuesday, that's our meeting.
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I need to come in with an outline concept of here's the main idea, but now here's the passage, here's how I'm seeing I'd break it down, and here's kind of my illustration thought, or hey, and I'm gonna have this illustration where we're gonna have a bucket on the stage and all this.
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That's what I'm thinking.
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Uh so I'm ready, but I'm not the only one coming in.
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You guys were both on teaching team.
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You're coming in from that passage and saying, here are the three things I think.
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So especially if you preach from a framework like uh Andy Stanley, like me, we, God, you, we, or like uh even like Donald Miller has his like story blocks of like the story brand thing.
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If you preach from a framework that helps your teaching team to understand, here's how I think about the message, right?
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I always start with the problem.
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Then I always go into the passage, then I pray.
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And then after the prayer, I'm gonna go into a personal story about this.
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And but you know, I'm saying if you preach from the framework loosely, it's kind of like not like it's so cookie-cutter, it's more like these are my Lego blocks, and every time I can rearrange them to build a unique piece of a sermon.
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But these elements are always gonna be here.
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The more you preach from that framework, the more I can contribute to saying, you know, what would be a like after my prayer, I go into the personal story, and then after a personal story, that's when I land at home with a metaphorical main point type thing, right?
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Is if I know that that's your cadence and those are your Lego blocks, I can speak into the Lego blocks without being a good preacher.
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Like I'm not near as good as you as preaching, but I found something that would fit as a Lego blocks and I can contribute to a piece of it.
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Yeah.
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So if you don't have that and you're listening to it and you're going like, what in the world he just talking about?
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That it could be as simple as I want to have an intro that introduces what is the main thought in a as a problem or an issue that, hey, today, this is an issue.
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And most of the time for me, it would be opening with a story or something that's related with me.
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You know, I was with the grandkids and blah, blah, blah, like this.
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Intro to the thought.
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Now let me give you three points out of the passage that helps us on it.
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And with the point, illustration, point, illustrate like that, or or how it breaks down, and then we're gonna conclude it.
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And there's this main one idea that's gonna go all the way through it to bring it, and then I'm gonna tell them at the end a call to action.
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I mean, I'm making that up.
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Yeah, I have a thought uh here.
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I just want to make sure we can actually deliver on this.
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Do we have a sermon brief that we could put in the in the show notes?
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Yeah, sure.
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Yeah, we do.
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Okay.
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Because I think some of uh some of us are listening to this, we're in our car, you know, we're we're at the doctor's office or whatever, and we're trying to put everything together.
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So especially for the visual people, we have a brief that you can actually follow through.
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So now we're talking about.
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Okay, so we don't get lost in the sauce on it.
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So the teaching teams can help you to figure out, like, as part of the sermon brief, here's what I want them to know, here's what I sermon series brief, sorry.
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So when you're looking at the sermon series, here's what I want them to know, here's what I want them to do, here's what the focus is.
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And then maybe you have like it's a five-week sermon.
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Week one, we're gonna do this, week two, this, week three, this, four, five, and then that's a series.
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Great, cool.
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Now let's go into week two.
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Now, week two is you said Tuesday morning, you're gonna talk to the teaching team about what?
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I'm gonna tell them, hey, here's the passage, let's just remind uh tell them who runs the meeting, or who, if you're running the meeting, I'll say, hey, let's just remind ourselves what our main point of blah blah blah.
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And then I'll say, okay, uh, I'd love to hear, Hunter, what do you have that you got out of this?
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Well, I when I was looking at it, I thought these are the three things that stood out to me that would be here.
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And I thought, you know, remember that time you had that story or whatever, or you're doing it.
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So you're telling me if you were speaking it, here's kind of an outline thought.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so I'm not starting with mine, and then y'all are going, oh, that's good.
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I'm saying I want you to come ready to contribute ideas to it, you know, and you would do the same.
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And after that, I'd say, okay, thanks.
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I'm writing that, I wrote all that stuff down.
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A lot of times y'all brought it in and handed it to me or sent it to me as a text or email.
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And then I would share my thought and we would dialogue on it and how it fits all this.
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And so now I'm taking all that information.
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The other thing is we would have our production team in there where like the worship leader was in there and they would kind of talk about and say, Hey, what if we did this song, this, or what if we did this?
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Hey, I could do this, you know, at the altar, whatever.
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Yeah.
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So we're just programming how can we could get this all together to deliver on this.
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Right.
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And I think the uh the cert those blocks that I was talking about of the frameworks of how you preach is going to be really important there because um what gets really just from learning from experience and learning by doing this is especially who whoever's on that teaching team is just like, man, I just poured my heart out into this and you didn't use any of it or whatever, which is fine, totally cool.
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But it's it's uh, I know that my style is different from yours.
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And you don't want to get lost in style, you want to adapt to the style of the speaker.
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So that's why it's really important to know here's generally how I like to do things in order.
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And and a lot of times I find that when I'm working with pastors, they don't know their style, they just kind of do it by intuition or whatever feels right.
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But if you can start to identify and look back at your last four sermons and say, if you were to color code them like blue, every time I tell a story, it's in blue.
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Color it blue font.
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Every time I'm trying to do like the steps, color that in red.
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Okay, cool.
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And then look at your page and the colors that represent it as like, okay, these are my blocks that I pretty much stick to every time.
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That is gonna help you way more than, hey, why don't you write a sermon, you write a sermon, and you write a sermon, and I'll just take the best pieces.
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It's not really gonna work because we all have different styles.
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Yeah, I'm not, I don't even I'm not looking for you to write a message.
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I'm looking for you to come in with as you pray through this passage, you knew what I said, I thought would make a point.
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What are thoughts that you came up?
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Hey, I did a word study, this word.
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So you're I I even had two or three people, Chris, uh Paul Hurtman, there were Dan Call, these guys who had like doctorates in theology, and and they were professors of the all that, that they would come in and do a historical background on the passage.
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They would do a word study, they would do some of that part to it.
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That that was really helpful to me on that.
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Yeah, then you guys would go, here are my thoughts of what like this.
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It's more of us collecting stuff for me if I'm teaching, and I would do the same thing for you if you're preaching, and and I would be able to say, Oh man, I love that.
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Thank you.
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That and sometimes it would just be confirming to me that that is what I was thinking.
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But here's the other thing I valued what people were saying, even if I didn't use it, because it's what other people might be thinking or other people might need, and I'm going, okay, even if I don't use that, I need to keep that in my mind.
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Because you're thinking the teaching team and the people that are speaking into this, they represent a percentage of the population of our congregation.
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So for instance, you're not you wouldn't probably be looking to me to come uh bring the you know 12-page uh background, theological background.
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But if you were looking on boots on the ground, everyday man, everyday woman, just a regular practitioner, I got a lot of I got a lot of insights.
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I mean, you're you're building the team to help you either to amplify the strengths of your style or to mitigate the weaknesses of your style.
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And everybody in the room knows why they're in the room.
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Yeah.
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So you know you're the everyman guy, let's get it practical.
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Yeah.
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Hey, you're my theologian in the house to make sure everything is is uh exegetically working appropriately, this type of thing.
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So inside of this, the Tuesday, you didn't have a manuscript yet.
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We were all contributing.
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Thursday was the next milestone.
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Well, I would say one more thing we did on Tuesday I skipped while ago, and that is we evaluated the last week.
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So the first thing we did is how did it go this last Sunday and what can we learn from it?
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What went good?
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What are there anything we want to talk about that we could do better?
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And almost every week we'd have all kinds of good and something we could tweak or do better, and we dialogued on it, and then we went in, okay, let's move to this week like that.
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And then what I would do is I would take everything I wrote down from what they gave the thoughts, and Wednesday I usually took the whole day at home, and I would take all that prey and I would write out a manuscript.
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I used to only outline like bullet thoughts and preach from an outline, but it's hard for me to give you guys an outline and you give me feedback on it, and I just say, tell the story about Bob, and you're going like, What's Bob?
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What's it?
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Because it doesn't explain, it doesn't give me the opportunity to experience the delivery.
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But because I know you and I've been around you a lot of years, when you manuscript it, I can't.
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You can hear me saying it, you can hear it.
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Yeah.
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It's also about transitions.
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So even if it has this, it doesn't how how is that connecting to the next, to the next.
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So I started manuscripting word for word the best I could of here's what I'm gonna say.
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That helped me even in memorizing it.
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That helped me even in processing, correcting it, going back.
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I'd read it again, oh man, I didn't say that good like this.
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And then I would write it out from beginning to the end, all the way like I'm preaching it.
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And then I would send that to you guys on Thursday.
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Yeah, and I was just saying on the part of like, I like to preach from an outline type thing.
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My professor, Dr.
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Magruder, would teach me on uh it kind of reminds me of like the essence of a bull, like the Pablo Picasso painting stuff where he's drawing like fully detailed all the way out a bull, and then he's like breaking it down to like a bull that's drawn in like six lines or whatever, right?
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So what happens is you can fully construct it all the way to the level of detail that helps your team to be able to know what's inside of your head, and then you can deconstruct it back to bring on stage.
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Just because you write it out word for word doesn't mean you have to bring that up on stage with you.
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Right.
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Deconstruct it to the level after you've written it out all the way that you bring on stage to preach from.
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So part of me is I want it to be, and that's exactly true.
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Ever everything you just said, part of me, the manuscripting, I did it.
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My first motivation was to get it to you guys so you could give me feedback on it and to make sure maybe you the tone I'm hearing you write that in is kind of yeah, I'm a little concerned.
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And you would add comments, yeah.
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So we did it in a Google Doc uh always because it was the easiest at the time to add comments.
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What I was doing from my perspective is I was thinking through the editing framework, uh, that's an acronym called CRIBS and it was C R I B S.
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So the first thing I was looking for is what's confusing that needs to be clarified.
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Yes.
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So anything that I'm confused about, if I'm confused, then the people are gonna be confused probably 10 times more than me.
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Uh what's that quote where it's like if it's Misty on the stage, it's Like a fog in the pews or whatever.
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It's kind of like that.
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That's a good idea.
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Did you just make that one up?
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No, I didn't hear that.
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Bro, I never heard that.
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And this is the first time he's ever quoted it.
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No, it's so the confusing, it needs to be clarified.
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What's repeated that can be uh taken away.
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Like you've already said this.
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You've already done it, you just keep saying it.
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The I is innovative, so this is not necessarily like I've never heard this before, but this is like I doubled down here.
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Like this is like a breakthrough thought for people.
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Um, I don't even know if you know how good this is.
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Like, I would definitely you're not just trying to tell them what they did wrong.
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You're trying to help buy what they did right.
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This is really good.
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Take your time here.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Uh the B is boring.
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So uh the inside of this, I wouldn't comment boring, but I'm looking for the parts where it's like, okay, where what I'm looking for, especially when you would do this, we're gonna do this, talk about this next, is you would talk it through all the way.
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I'm trying to identify the spots that um another thing that I've heard inside of like public speaking stuff is if you're bored, it's not your fault, it's their fault.
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Um, and in in that, what I'm trying to do is not just be like, well, I started drifting off, it's your fault, you're boring.
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What I'm trying to do is I'm on your team to help you.
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I'm not trying to point out where it's boring and say you suck.
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I'm trying to say, where are the spots that I started thinking about lunch today?
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And I started thinking about what's on my mind right now.
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Those are the spots I'm trying to like.
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If I have your manuscript in hand, I'm putting a little dash by that section to say something happened here.
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If it happened for me, it's probably gonna happen to other people.
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These are spots where we probably need to cut this out.
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And anybody on here who's going, I don't want anybody telling me it's boring.
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Listen, what I always say is I'd love, I want you, I don't want a history lesson on the backside saying, I knew that thing was gonna be flat.
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I want current events.
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I wanted you to tell me now before I'm preaching, yeah, so I can do it.
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And I don't, here's the other thing.
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I didn't like it when you guys go boring or doesn't make sense, confusing.
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Yeah, no, I want you.
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Here's what I would do.
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Here's how I would do it.
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Yeah.
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If it was this is a way to think about it.
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I think that kind of the last S is where it where are you going slow that you could speed up?
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So this is like you went three paragraphs, all you really needed to say was this.
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Um, it and so those are the things that I was looking for in the cribs.
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And inside of this, what I knew, and it especially with these words, because some of these words, like boring or confusing or slow, are triggering words for speaker, especially if there's insecurity there, or this is the first time that they're opening themselves up to feedback.
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So, first of all, I'm your son, so there's a level of relationship there that is just different from other people, right?
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That was one thing.
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But if if if I was doing it for you, Mark, uh, or another speaker on the team, I have to be careful with my words that I have to measure how close am I to this person in relationship and how much do they respect me where they listen to me because I'm not gonna throw a bomb at somebody like this this page two sucks.
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I'm not gonna do that if we don't really have the relationship or the rapport to be able to do that.
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But I think this is really important perspective that you taught us all inside the teaching team is I always knew that this is your uh message that God is calling you to.
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You've heard from the Lord from this.
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I'm giving my vantage point.
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But just because whether you listen to me or you don't listen to me, whether you use my feedback or you don't use my feedback, that's not on me.
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My job is to share my perspective, yes, and that's it.
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Whether you use it or not is up to you and the Lord.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And so humility is such a huge word when you talk about teaching team all the way around.
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So you have to have humility in how you're saying it to me.
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You have to have humility in uh if I didn't use it or not, and you're going like I wasted two hours of my life getting ready for this.
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Yeah.
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And I he didn't even use one thing I gave him.
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Yeah.
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And and it can be humility that I did use something you did, and and you're going around telling everybody, you know, that whole thing he did that was so good, I gave him that.
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You know, so there because it's not even gonna make sense for you to be like, so somebody on my teaching team gave me this uh.
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This isn't a the this isn't a theory paper where you're having to cite everything.
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Exactly.
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So if you're on the teaching team of someone and they're using your one-liners or your uh special things uh in perspective, if they don't cite you, yeah, who cares?
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We're all getting to the same outcome.
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I shouldn't cite you unless there's a reason to cite you.
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And it wouldn't be in teaching team.
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Mark told me I would go like, you know, Mark and I were talking the other day, and one of the things he said just hit if that contri if it's a if it's something that's contributing to the message in a powerful way, I would do it.
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Otherwise, I don't need to feel compelled that I have to.
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You're gonna be mad.
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Say, look, that's plagiarism.
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You didn't give me credit.
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It's way more about our team is trying to win the Super Bowl than Mark's trying to win the MVP.
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Like it's not about the individual accolades.
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If you win and we see transformation happen, impact happen, then I'm winning.
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So then on the other side is I have to be humble or you have to be humble.
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Whoever's writing the message and has that responsibility, has the humility, has to have the humility that you're telling me I don't understand this or you need to change this.
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Asking for my feedback, and then I give you my feedback, and then you get mad at me.
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Okay, so you're you're the you were the master of it.
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Uh I don't know when you became the master, but you were the master of it.
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I would say, on the other part, having been on the teaching team and had to go through that process, getting through those first few reps where you guys were speaking into something that was near and dear to my heart, and I felt like the Lord had given me, even from trusted friends like you guys are, it wasn't always so easy.
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Why do you say I'm the master of it?
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What are you talking about?
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I think you're the master of being able to receive feedback and hear other people's perspective.
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I don't really know another person that I've ever worked with that is as good at absorbing that information without it blowing them up like, do they think I'm good or not good?
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I'll give you one of the pro tips that, and and he's he's asking you the question, but I just don't want to forget this.
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I we've probably done this with probably 25 different speakers.
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I'll tell you the number one thing that I have found that I know, I know for a fact this is gonna be bad if they have this mindset.
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If they turn in their first draft as if it is the final draft, to get in.
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Gosh, I'm telling you, that is what burns you on the teaching team.
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What I like to even do is every draft I turn in, put the version number in it.
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Because even if I'm turning in 1.0, I think of it almost like this is about to get a software update.
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You're not critiquing it and ripping it to shreds.
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When we think about software updates, we're thinking about every new version is new and improved.
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Does that make sense?
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So now I after your feedback, it's 2.0.
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Yep.
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Does that make sense?
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2.0 is better than 1.0.
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And if you turn in the draft of basically, I don't I'm asking for your feedback, but I really don't want your feedback.
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I'm asking for uh accolade information.
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I'm looking for you to affirm this is good, not helping you.
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This is incredible.
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You're not really asking for a teaching team, you're just asking for cheerleaders.
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Let me just be let me just be very transparent right now to every lead pastor or anybody who's gonna do this that you're getting the feedback.
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It may seem like I was so good at it, and maybe it is because in the end I was, okay.
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But behind the scenes, there were times I was so scared to send that to y'all because I'm going, I already know they're gonna tell me this sucks.
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Or I already know they're gonna rip the I I I'm I'm so exhausted right now, trying to make it the best I can.
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I don't really want to hear anything.
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Because you've worked 20 hours to put this together and you don't possibly want to spend another 10 hours revising it.
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I have to be, I want to I more than I want it to be just over, I want it to be the best it can be to impact people's lives.
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That's a good one.
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Pastor, that's why I'm pausing right here.
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It's not about it being over, it's about it being the best that is going to deliver the outcome of what we hope to happen in the people that we're pastoring.
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And there were times and seasons when you were tired and worn out and you're delivering something, knowing that you trust us to provide feedback, and there is going to be feedback, and there was never a version one that was the final version delivered on Sunday.
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It never survives first impact.
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It never and and inside of this, especially if you have your identity that is connected to what you do, and what you do is represented by how good I preach.
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You're getting critiqued on who you are, not what you do.
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That's what it feels like.
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So you're telling me I'm confusing, I'm repeated, I'm boring, I'm slow.
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And it's like, no, I'm talking about this paragraph.
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That we're working together.
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I should be going, we're working together on this, not you're critiquing me.
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Yeah, we're not critiquing you, we're critiquing this draft to make it better, to make a bigger impact.
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But when you're when you're when I'm talking about something that's this big, but you're reacting this big, it's probably connected to your identity that you're feeling is threatened by my feedback.
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So this is so the sermon that we're delivering on Sunday is a product that we're providing for our people to have an outline.
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By all of us sharing our perspective because I could be the smartest person in the room, but I can't see if I have mustard on my face.
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So I need everybody's perspective to speak into the things that I can't see.
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This is very emotional.
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I honestly, when I'm thinking about pastors who have never used a teaching team, even though they want it and they've heard about it, one of the biggest uh step throughs into the next realm is to deal with the emotion of separating the critique from my personhood.
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We are together building a product to deliver to the people of God.
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It is not the most important way.
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But but think about it on the other side is I have to trust you guys, and you have to trust me that we have a relationship on this, that you're not gonna be in like boring that type of deal we're saying.
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It's it's the way you're sharing perspective.
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It's almost as if I don't, I feel like this might be important for you to know.
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Yeah, but you've got to judge that, and you're doing it more that way, not you're stupid.
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Yes, a hundred percent.
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And and again, that always goes back to uh the level of relationship and rapport you have with that person.
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But again, it's not helpful to just point out what's wrong.
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It's way more helpful to point out what's wrong.
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And here's a way that I would suggest to fix it.
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Okay, let's try the thing.
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There's one more thing.
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There's one more thing I think is really important that is going to the next level.
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There is there's two parts of the presentation that is happening is one is what are you saying, and the other is how you're saying it.
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And so what I think was a critical part that elevated the teaching team as well is helping you to be the best presenter of the message in a way that helped people to get bought in.
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So can you talk about like real quick the three zones that we we established?
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And and I think you're right on, and I don't know that anybody else could have told me, but mom always said it is like, could you stop, could you get the volume to go down a little bit on your voice?
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You're so loud.
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Yours, and I was going like, babe, that's just how I am.
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But when you said, Hey, I feel like you're monotone, and I go, I can't be monotone, and you go, uh no, you're up here, you know.
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I'm really loud and passionate, and there's never a time for the people to just take a breath.
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You know, they're like going, ah, it's intense.
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So you told me you need to have it sometimes when you're slowing down.
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Sometimes when there's a pause.
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That's what I was doing right there.
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I thought that was really good how you just did that.
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Yeah.
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And and I said, I don't know how to do it.
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He said, You told me, he said, well, let's get you some zones, you know, for your tones.
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And so I go, What do you mean?
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And you said, How about when you tell we'll have three zones?
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Your chair you're sitting in, the uh TV that had your um PowerPoint and all your stuff that you could write on and draw on to teach from.
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And then out front, standing is where you're the edge of the stage.
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The edge of the stage is your I'm bringing it home, I'm challenging you, this type of deal.
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So the first one, the stories would be almost like the grandpa on a rocking chair on the front porch.
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Right.
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So it's like anytime that we're going, and at the beginning, what we did is those coloring as well.
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Yes is anytime that you're telling a story, let's put that in blue.
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Anytime that you're going teacher and you're going to the actual slides and you're circling something, that's teacher mode.
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Yes.
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And let's put that in red, and then like whatever, purple is like anything that you feel like you need to add three exclamation points to.
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Yes.
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That's the front stage, that's the preacher.
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So like when I came to where it was a story, I'd say, Hey, I just got to tell you this.
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And then I would step over and sit down almost like, okay, it's grandpa time.
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Like exactly, exactly.
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And sit down and said, like, you know, I were talking about this the other day.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and I'd tell the story, and then I'll say, Do you see this in the passage?
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And then I'm getting up and say, What?
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Look at this.
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The scripture says blah, blah, blah, and I'm at the screen.
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I transition to two.
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And I transition, and then I'm drawing and I'm writing and I'm breaking it down.
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What's important about the colors is when you print it out and you can see it, you lay it all on the table and you're like, There is way too much red.
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Yes.
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There is way too much blue.
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There's not near enough purple.
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There's not, you know what I'm saying?
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Like those kind of colors help to bring it to life of uh how much I'm over-emphasizing or underemphasizing a zone that is contributing to the how the story or how the message is.
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Well, what's cool about that, too, I think, Hunter, even a call out on that, is that there are people sitting in your congregation that are going to be more receptive to a story.
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Yes.
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There's people that are gonna really like to preach in front of the house, the very demonstrative, uh loud tone, and then there's gonna be people that uh receive teaching a little bit easier.
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Everybody receives a little bit of it, but they're heavy weighted towards something.
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And those don't have to be your zones, but it's important to understand your zones.
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That those are your three.
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I well, let's say this.
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I don't even know that everybody has to have a zone.
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I did.
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Like I needed to know when I'm doing this, the posture of what I have.
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Am I at a board teaching?
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Am I up front preaching, or am I sitting and telling a story and having that pace change?
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The zone thing helped me.
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Well, the reason it did is because it transitions from monotone to being dynamic.
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Yes.
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A dynamic communicator has multiple tones to best punctuate whatever they're trying to communicate.
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So what y'all helped me do is the three things we talk about with uh the issues that everybody have: blind spots, deaf spots, and dumb spots.
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The blind spots were things I was I I don't know that I always am uh well, y'all make fun of me because I'll go like this on my tell I got something in my mouth, or I'm always putting my.
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It was an and wiped.
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And they say that I always do that.
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I don't even know if you know it's another one he does.
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He always does this like weird spitting thing.
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Like he has to spit something out.
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He'll look to the side and go, Yeah, he'll while I'm preaching.
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While you're preaching.
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So it's a couple of stack it.
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He'll stack it.
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So he'll pull the fuzz and then he'll spit.
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And I'm like, bro, you're like Hawking Loogies on stage.
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No.
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Dude, okay.
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Well, the deaf spots was the tones.
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Yeah.
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And the dumb spots is when I needed people in the room to say, you know what, exegetically, you weren't even, that's not you're you're saying something that isn't to the passage.
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Okay.
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So you this is what's helping me so that when I'm getting up, I'm best prepared to communicate this in a way that's gonna be helpful.
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And then we'll evaluate it every weekend doing this.
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Can I direct us?
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Oh, you're gonna be able to do that.
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But I want to go to the depth.
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Here's what I'm nervous about.
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So we started a we started this.
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I want to keep diving in.
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I just want to be able to go back to what is my weekly rhythm.
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So you've got to get the rhythm.
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All right.
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Tuesday.
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So we've done this from a year to where we have it now into either a series or what we're doing for the next month to six weeks.
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And now we're on the weekly where I've cut we've come in with that outline and we've given feedback Tuesday.
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Wednesday, I've written it and sent it out to you guys.
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Thursday, y'all are reading it.
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And giving the comments and giving me comments back.
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I'm taking your Google Doc comments and I'm choosing.
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Oh, yeah, that's way helpful.
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Thank you, Hunter.
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I'm gonna put that in there.
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Mark, that was really good, but I ain't doing that.
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And Sunday morning.
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Yeah, that happened a lot to me.
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Yeah.
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And so I'm putting all that in.
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I'm making a new copy of it and sending it to you guys.
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And most of the time at that point, it would be like It's pretty much done.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And so now they're making the PowerPoints, they're doing whatever they need to do on that.
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On Saturday, I'm just praying over it a little bit, thinking about it a little bit, uh, you know, praying.
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But then on Sunday morning, I got to church an hour, I started getting there an hour earlier than I usually did, and I would pray.
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So usually for me that would be I'd get there six to seven and I would pray through the message, praying it, like what I mean by praying through the message is I'm saying it out loud, practicing.
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I'm not in front of a mirror type deal, but I'm in my office and I'm saying, talking through the message as if I'm saying it out loud.
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And then I'll come to points and say, God, help me at that point.
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Uh you get it?
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Like it's like I'm talking with God.
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God help them.
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I I want them to get this, help me to know how to say it.
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And so I'm working it through because here's what I don't want to do.
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The most I can be, not uh uh have it by memory from my heart.
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And I'm not trying to take the manuscript and memorize it word for word like it's a script.
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I'm taking the thought by thought by thought and wanting to have it in my mind and memory to be able to communicate it like I'm just talking to you.
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So that and so then what I did is you guys came in, and there might even be some other people that I had come in that what Yeah, I I think this is important because we just had so many people struggle with this that try to adopt your methodology in this.
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That's where the deconstruction back can happen.
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It's really hard to memorize thought for thought, which is basically like, what's the main point of this paragraph?
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Uh, you were so good at it.
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I was never able to do that.
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It's really hard for other people I'm thinking of that we helped able to do that.
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How do you do it?
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So, what you could do is you deconstruct it back.
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It's like that bull thing is to the outline because people are gonna have a really hard time when they're looking at a word-for-word manuscript, memorizing the thought and not trying to be like, I want to say it exactly like I wrote it.
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And and what's way more important is that you're connecting with the people that are listening to you and trying to communicate what I am really trying to get at with this thought than it is uh like you're reading your book as a uh like an actual book, word for word.
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So what I was doing is the manuscript process helped me get feedback from y'all and helped me memorize it because if you're dealing with that path, that the the actually your fingers typing stuff out, it's doing stuff in your mind to memorize it.
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So on that Sunday morning, I'm praying through it and trying to speak it and hear it.
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And man, I need to figure out how to get that transition better.
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That doesn't sound right like this.
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And then you guys came in and I'm 730.
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Yeah, it's 730.
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And we did it many times in our my office, and then we ended up going, well, let's do it with the PowerPoint and all the stuff in the the auditorium.
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So we did the did it in the auditorium.
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Everybody's running through it.
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Everybody.
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And so when we did it, uh I would say it out loud.
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Now you're getting to hear not just what you thought I sounded like on this on the message, but to hear it and give me feedback right where the tones come in.
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Yep.
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So we're providing feedback.
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Uh you make micro revisions there, and then now you go and present, and it's way better because it's been a team effort.
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There's been a lot of collaboration.
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That's pretty obvious, but the closer you are to getting on stage, the smaller the revision should be.
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Correct.
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If I'm making a edit on Thursday, I could suggest to cut a whole paragraph or a page theoretically.
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Yep.
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Uh if you're 30 minutes away or 20 minutes away, and I say cut this whole page too, that's it, that's you can't do that.
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One of the things you're doing, though, is you're you're timing it to see how long this really is.
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As I'm saying, I thought it was gonna be this, but it's this.
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And I'm also uh making sure that did my joke work?
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Did this work?
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You know, like that.
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So let's go back to the original premise.
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So the original premise is I'm a pastor, I have to preach every Sunday.
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Uh I I wish that there was a more sustainable, uh, doable model.
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And uh we have now shared a way that we got after this that was sustainable.
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Uh if I gave you 20, 30 seconds to land the plane here before we finish, anything else you'd want to say to the lead pastor?
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I think the biggest thing is you don't want to get in the mode of, my God, what do I got to do next week to one up this last week?
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Uh and now you're on a I gotta get better, I gotta do better, I gotta be, and it's unsustainable and it will mess with your head and it will not be, listen, people don't even remember what you say as much as they remember how they felt when you said it.
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So this is a process that's not just about getting a good communication, but to get your heart in tune.
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How do what is the whole goal?
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It isn't to say it well, it's to be able to love them well and them feel and know God loves them, I do too, and I value you and I want to help you on this.
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Awesome.
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All right, thanks for joining us here today.
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