John Cena’s Final Match: WWE SNME 12/13/25 Review

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everybody, and welcome to John Cena's final match presented by MinuteMade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring the juice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you, way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget, Ria, it's easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's saved for the goodbye kiss at the end, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The long kiss good night from John Cena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a wonderfully corporate send off that we had tonight with,
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[SPEAKER_00]: are you aware of these ticket prices and are you aware that there were maybe one or two celebrities that were here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was not a charity event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it wasn't, but they certainly weren't being charitable toward the chief content officer by the end of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Were they?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, they were not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We could certainly debate the close of tonight's show and the decisions that were made, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about some of the positives, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a compact two hour, 18 minute show, complete with celebration at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this match had this been a normal Saturday night's main event minus the celebration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They still had this in at like the two hour mark and then they went along with the post match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How many?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to know the production plan over the last month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For these John, I'd like how many John Cena video packages has this poor team had to construct like, do they have any, do they have any more juice left from the minute made squeeze?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they must be just John Cena out at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, our time off is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel John Cena is probably John Cena to out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, judging by, like, I think his reaction towards me, maybe even, like, when Paul pointed to that last video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, John Cena is a one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's fairly stoic in the best of times, but it was just like, oh, another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we've had many tributes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we have a lot of licensed music to say goodbye to this man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: well it's a lot but i mean it's it's really for the audience i mean as as much as i maybe seen a himself you know recognizes here this is a lot of me this was all about sending that audience i'm happy at the end of the day well i mean it was for a chance to you know like according to seeing a chance for the audience to say goodbye to him and i feel like they i guess debatable depending on who you ask but i felt like they they they tried to do that yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if this happens to be one of the few wrestling events you might watch this particular year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have the capital one arena as the site for tonight's Saturday night's main event show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did do a two-hour pre-show, which I did not see, but I guess the note where the appearance was, Jesse Ventura, making his way
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[SPEAKER_01]: reaction to that last show he did just healing on Damian Priest and made that part of the act now, like he's running down Cena stating, well, he, he's a 17-time champion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That means he lost it 17 times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you brag about that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I guess they had him list his Mount Rushmore, like on John Cena's retirement match on a WWE show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is on your Rushmore?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Cena made Jesse Ventura's Mount Rushmore?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did not,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This seems to be the proper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which was what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: His own Mount Rushward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know I I don't know I think he said a hogan did he say hogan that would actually be funny if he had said hogan I don't have it in front of me right now, so okay, please please flood the the timeline
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel just these instruction has always just been to like, hey, like kind of play up the heal thing that's sort of what you kind of major name on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, like the fact that he'd no longer does like the play by play on the actual matches themselves, I kind of feel like maybe they they feel like that certainly losses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a peel, if not, maybe even do railed their storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this almost feels like more of an obligation to put them on something involving the show than anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what tonight kind of felt like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're on the pre-show for peacock, I don't know if this thing is really, if this thing needs to continue at this point, but that was the Jesse Ventura.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They signed a Monterex amount of dates and running out that contract, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the show begins and we get shots of many people in attendance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't think that Johnny Gargano would be one of the first people we would see, but there he is chilling with Shawn Michaels talking about their storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trist Stratus in the house, Kurt Angle, man, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They showed, they put up a video earlier of them shooting, Kurt Angle, doing the walk in the back, and man is this guy getting around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know he's he's feeling the effects of all like the he had like the double knee surgery and I mean it's uh he he he feels like a guy that worked an intense style which he did yes to see a dual walk in the back oh not the mention being an uh uh an Olympian before the rest of the career I mean yeah it's guy the thrashed his body that that is one thing for sure uh mark Henry John Burnthal was there yeah the Punisher got uh got some uh got some camera time here and
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[SPEAKER_00]: would it be the final John Cena match without an appearance multiple appearances by metro boom and of course yes they they relied upon their roll-addicts of celebrities um what's his however's however's however yes high-resaliburton yeah yeah all these guys that jelly roll i'm sure got the invite um he was not live in attendants but he did send a video
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then we go to our first scene of video.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was going to be a tough task to be able to replicate what they did 24 hours ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To do a scene of celebration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if at some point they must have like felt like they might have at one point legitimately thought, hey, like we have so many videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't possibly enter the mall on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's air half of these things on Friday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We could build Friday as a celebration of John Cena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe at some point they decided, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just all save it for Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they took the video on Friday and like Peyton and Eli Manning didn't make the cut for tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did take Tom Brady's portion, but everyone else in that video last night did not air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I'm sure that video aired on the pre show at some point, but we're splitting hairs, but you did get like a 90 second John Cena tribute on Friday show, which was built around one final celebration before the retirement.
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[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a video on the goat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The goat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Written by Mark Kriegel, but Mark Kriegel is not going to be voicing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, Paul LaVec was going to voice this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what it means to be the goat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So welcome, welcome everybody to tonight's show, no gate figure, but this was a pretty much a very narrow difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Russell ticks last number was 19,176 and then they announced on the broadcast 19,032.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So almost like we're almost like splitting hairs here within like less than 75 people in difference between those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be very curious if we, if we ever do hear the gate number four this show because I do believe this will, I mean, their big one was 4.8 million for the Intuit dome earlier this year for the Netflix debut and just the way tickets were priced for this event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could certainly see it in that range if not beating the Intuit dome show just to exemplify like the demand for
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, certainly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you would expect it, especially for something build as big as this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we go to our host, Joe Tessator and Stephanie McMahon and Stephanie credited with saving John Cena's career when she overheard him wrapping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then our analysis for tonight, Michael Cole and Wade Barrett.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So kicking things off, not John Cena, but instead Cody Rhodes against Oba Femi and the crowd is singing for Cody at the
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of felt very similar to when Oba kind of has shown up on the main roster was I just don't feel like Oba Femi is necessarily that NXT performer that is really crossed over to this audience and felt like in comparison to Seoul Rooka and Javan Evans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just felt like Oba Femi was just like this is Cody's opponent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know he's the NXT champion, but that was kind of all that they really saw in Oba Femi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't made as many crossover appearances as either of the two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like this was very much maybe their effort to sub him into that direction, so that he's a bit more recognizable to a main roster audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other two, you can argue, can suffer losses a lot easier than somebody like a November family who really just should be positioned as a giant who doesn't take too many pins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the soul Ruka and certainly had a drop-on event, they feel that they
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[SPEAKER_00]: value as an underdog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Obofemi is overpowering him in the beginning, and Cody is really selling the power of Obo, can't lift them for a slam, but then Obo runs a shoulder into the post, and he is power slam by Cody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody hits a Cody cutter for two, but then is hit by a spine buster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Michael Cole describes Obofemi as methodical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's one word, that is, that's what it means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It means slow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's not that's not a compliment in today's vernacular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So on the floor, there's a running uppercut sending Cody onto the desk and somehow in all of this, Cody cuts his ear and that's not a fun place to get cut the ear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't imagine so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very bloody here, but it's certainly added to the match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we did have the presence of blood here, probably accidental, and then we have the countdown graphic, three matches until John Cena's final match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Avalanche Cody cutter for a two count and then Drew McIntyre runs in, attacks Cody for the DQ at nine minutes and 10 seconds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oba yanks Drew off, shoves him down, and then Drew is hit with a Cody cutter and a choke
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the two raised their arms and shake hands, which was kind of the theme of all three of the exhibition matches, as you would call them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I hated this finish on this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that this was, you kind of outlined this as a possible way out of this match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just questioned, like, why did we book a match that we needed to find a way out of?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it does to be almost felt like, why didn't we just hold off on overwinning this belt and you just do Cody and Ricky Saints and you could do a finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if Ricky was going to be losing the belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because because the point is the showcase, oh, Bethany.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think the showcase to him at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this was totally forgettable and this was just a conduit to Cody Andrew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was a successful way of showcasing Obafemi telling the audience who this person is and that he is not just an equal level to your world champion Cody Rhodes, but somebody who was on track to defeat him before the Drew McIntyre interference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I think even beyond just the booking of the match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to talk about just the performance and I thought,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They presented like a pretty classic old-school David Gallaudet type of match that Like to me engage this crowd pretty well from beginning to end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Femi's offense looked good I thought his technique looked clean striking and power looked heavy the pressons is there and We got to see how he stepped up to Cody on the microphone last night now I got to see him how he you know looked in ring next to a top guy like Cody and you can argue that he looked even better or at least more comfortable
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he has the presence of a guy that you could immediately advise a threat on the main roster if they chose to push him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You argue they shouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He shouldn't be somebody who's working his way up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He should be like a Brock Lesnar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody you push immediately, you know, not the icy level, not the US title level, not the tag team level, but the world title level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought like tonight showed that he's probably capable of receiving that spotlight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, the match was like pretty much like Obafemi dominating, you know, much of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, unintentional as it may be, managed to draw blood from Cody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody, I thought did a great job selling for Femi, even after this posing, you know, with the two of them holding each other's hands on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody immediately getting onto his knees to sell that he, he wasn't, like, you know, in trouble, or at least worse for where compared to the person next to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought,
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[SPEAKER_00]: telling everybody who Obofemi is and really kind of like establishing what his power level is, off the bat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's the case, then I really hope there's some kind of follow-up to this, because if there's not, I think this will be completely forgettable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think Obood, like I didn't figure it look bad in this, but I wouldn't say like just comparing this to a week ago, I thought his match with Ricky Saints showed way more of a dynamic Obofemi in a big,
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[SPEAKER_01]: championship match, and to me this was like my end focus of this was all on Drew at the end of this match If they do something with open Drew after this if Drew shows up at NXT if Cody has some Link with Oba great, but I We'll see what what I don't think I mean this was just I think this was meant to be as a corner to see those words in some of his interviews This was meant to be a night of like
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to him, Exhibition, he even used the words non-can and at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's non-can and I think you should have really been using this not to just do like to me it was just such a flat ending to do on a on a on a show like this and I think it really took the life out of this for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you would have rather book what a Ricky Saints match that you could have Cody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have rather yes, Cody and Ricky Saints go out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a hot 12 13 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Saints is like he's but Saints isn't your project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Femi is your guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then I, again, I was the one advocating like do something bold here and have a mobile win this a win this man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then what do you go afterwards?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody challenges and faces over later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And who has come with that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're talking about Oba coming up to the main roster, what a great way to introduce this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But between none, WrestleMania, when would you slot an Oba Femi, Cody match?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Role Rumble and have Cody beat Oba Femi?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this guy gets the win here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is his call-up, and then you've created a thing that's not in his call-up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not getting call-up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, you're talking about this being a way to establish Obafemi, like establishing for what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: To at least let people know who Obafemi is, because a lot of people watching tonight don't know who he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, you're arguing to take them all the way by beating the champion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would be looking at Oberfemi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy has been on the NXT roster for years at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we waiting for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For Spot to open up for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can argue between now and WrestleMania, there aren't that those spots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I still wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't like to finish up this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would have just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it builds up Cody and Drew, which is not the most inspiring rematch at this point for Cody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put the main roster program that they are actively working on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll get that for another month or two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have more video messages from Kurt Angle, Bailey, Ray, Charlotte, Jay Uso, Stephanie and CM Punk who said that he wouldn't have been back here in WWE without John Cena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyre's Hall of Burton is shown in the crowd as is Chuck Zito, who was shown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't get any mic time for Chuck Zito.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bailey is accompanied by Laira Valkyria, taking on Sol Ruka with Zarya.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so in the beginning here, we get Sol Ruka who was showing off all her athletic spots here, does a headstand into a head scissors, then an X-factor and Bailey rolls to the floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was this part where Bailey went to slide under the turn buckle and couldn't quite get through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And goes to lift Ruka on her shoulders into the ring and falls over and they kind of had to do a reset here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After those issues though, I felt this was pretty smooth sailing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Soul Ruka hit this incredible space flying tiger drop that hit perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Missed a springboard splash and Bailey closed lines her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a German out of the corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Ruka does the cartwheel off the top turn buckle into a DDT, the spot like Jake Atlas used to use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then comes off the middle rope and it's caught with a Bailey to belly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rose plant gets countered and it's Bailey with a sliding knee for a two count.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bailey yanks the leg out to stop a soul snatcher and goes for the rose plant, hits it and Ruka's legs are caught up in the rope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as Ruka sets up for an O'Connor role, she's kicked into the corner, kicks up for the soul snatcher, hits it, and it's Bailey trying to roll out she's dragged in and caught in a roll-up, Ruka reverses catching Bailey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in nine minutes and twenty five seconds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what was interesting here was that despite Zarya and the angle, they did nothing in that direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Laira Valkyrian Zarya were non-factors in the match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just did a straight-up match between these two and the surprise upset for Salt Ruka.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then again, like all the matches, Bailey showed her respect, shook her hand, and all four stood in the center as Michael Cole really put over Salt Ruka here, stating she's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, counter to that first branch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they did have the NXT talent go over in this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, like I don't I forget what we said in our predictions, but maybe this one wasn't really something I was thinking about as much and I don't know why like Bailey makes sense to have her lose like she's not somebody with an active championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, she has sort of a losing streak gimmick anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you look at these two, like I think it's very clear, you know, just like judging by like the way Bailey's being booked, just judging by her extra curricular efforts, she is on her way to almost transitioning to becoming the sort of wrestler trainer role that somebody like a Natalia currently possesses and so we'll go on the other hand is like she in this match showed that she has the talent level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be a future WrestleMania main event or if they play their cards right and if she manages to exceed expectations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think looking at these two, the clear upside is on somebody like a soul Ruka who in this match performed incredibly like on this big stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean this was a very pretty complicated match with a lot of like fast moving intricate sequences amongst the
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[SPEAKER_01]: eventually closing sequence like to get all that down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the soul snatcher is like it's it's a spectacular move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now they've up the difficulty by having it in these complicated setups to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like and if you missed time that spot, it looks brutal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she like she has a pretty amazing track record of nailing this thing and her opponent's Duke of course credit to the opponents for being being in the right place, but like um tonight it looked great you know and I love the fact that they like kind of even played with our expectations in the finish by having Bailey eat the soul stature but then immediately reversing it um for the pin cover at that point I'm like oh okay of course they're gonna have the better and win then they had soul re-reversed in order to win so I thought that was like a little great little way to play with our expectations
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[SPEAKER_00]: save for that one little blemish with that fireman's carry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought like this match was outstanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was really the only thing of this match that you could you could nitpick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even that was even that was a chance to see how Soul Ruka would react when things don't go well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate to bring it up again, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to contrast it to the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell I thought this match like I thought these two would have a very good match, but I thought I really overachieved And I thought soul Ruka looked spectacular like for what this show was designed to be I think soul Ruka really did like stood out for these three exhibition matches in a big way
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the lack of like Xaria stuff, I mean, the fact that like, the announcer's really made no effort to explain the relationship at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was one mention of them like breaking up and then getting back together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, it wasn't the type of, you have to remember most of the people watching this show that I think there are assuming had never seen these guys before, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least don't watch NXT regularly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they did execute the turn tonight, it probably would have been relatively flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I thought it was probably the red decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and especially the way they were booking the first match to do something like that in the second match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like you didn't want this match, the show to be this undercard of the showcases to be full of, you know, all these like angles that you're doing to get out of clean finishes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, it was a good kind of misdirection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think just having Zarya in this corner and you were right what you said on Friday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're going to do the turn, I think it would be much more impactful in front of your,
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[SPEAKER_01]: your home audience that is going to be more on board with it than something like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More messages, everyone was was contacted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a shameless RVD, Corey Graves, Becky Lynch, Michael Hayes, Stu, Michael Cole, Cody Rhodes, and then a whole video just dedicated to the Undertaker and the rock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that the only significant omission of someone that maybe you would have expected to have heard from would be Randy Orton in all of this, like pretty much every other star from his history that is connected to the company was represented, like even in that the video they showed with everyone doing the putting the signs up, like they got Brock to do something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never participates in that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I swear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andy, you just hasn't been around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's on a trip in Saudi Arabia right now doing promotion and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why he wasn't physically there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, yeah, it was just it was an interesting like to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the only one that really stood out to me that you would have thought would have been in something here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we see, uh, yeah, we see a bunch of the, uh, the legend show in Eve Torres was here as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tristratists, they're, uh, they're sitting in the crowd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sammy Zane was there with his son as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Smartly bringing, uh, noise cancelling headphones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or just like smart smart ear muffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially for some of the chance later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I thought this was like a nice spot that they thought to do that you wouldn't necessarily assume that they would even think to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Michael Cole spent like 30 seconds noting like some of the other broadcasters that helped call a lot of big scene of matches in the past, name dropping TAS, JBL, Corey Graves, Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really, really nice of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I didn't think they had to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, Matt Strikker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, sure they missed a few.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could go through like, you know, the Todd Grishons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is probably a lengthier Johnson coachman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't he get a job?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a few here that didn't quite make the cut, but these were the top ones they isolated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: AJ Styles, Dragon League, and Javon Evans, and Leon Slater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, at what point is it worth bringing up the fact that Javon Evans and Leon Slater combined our six years younger
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's painful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This paper for me to hear, I'm not even that old, but listen, there's a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this one starts off, and do you know how long this match was?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So fast, felt quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10, under 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: six and six and a half minutes they had and based on how this started you knew these guys we're aware we have six and a half minutes here because they just started and they did not stop for six and a half minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Evans immediately does his big dive over the top to AJ Slater goes over the corner post and we get a nearfall instantly with Evan's hitting a frog splash onto Dragon Lee for a two count Dragon Lee comes back with a ligar bomb and then it stiles in driving
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[SPEAKER_01]: top rope, sending Slater off the apron into position for a style's clash on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Evans is able to cut it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if he had hit this on the floor, this place where he just got nuts, really cool set up here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OG Cutter is delivered to AJ and then the Swanton 450 by Slater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the knees come down on AJ, as Slater lands this, Lee makes this save.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd's pretty hot for this match, and they're just going a million miles here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Topic Unhero by Lee Lanes on Evans and then Slater signals for the Styles clash onto AJ, who counters it, tries for his own and he ends up on the edge of the apron and then he goes for the phenomenal forearm and he slips and just crashes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought this was like, oh, that was a spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought it was too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I watched it and then I replayed it because
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, if you watch closely, slater like basically bumps as if the move was hit and then gets back up to his feet and this didn't play into anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just like if even fact this was just a mess up by AJ and they transitioned into this finish,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is almost like the way to smooth to be a cover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where, but it's just like it just, it played no, like, agent didn't even sell this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got right up and was fine and they went right to the finish with Slater coming off the top was caught and into the Styles Clash in six and a half minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have the same immediate reaction as you to the slip, thinking that, okay, it's just, especially with the way slater managed to capitalize, I just felt like, okay, maybe just the unique way of building to a near-fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they didn't really do much beyond this to reference it in the finish, definitely made you rethink it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, I wonder if it's the type of thing that they might reference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the next day like on Monday you know like we are like on with talking about age your styles like you know and his father found family or approaching his family year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the things he's losing the step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like I wonder if this was an attempt to do that but it could have also just been a legitimate slip and it's so in either case I think it's it's pretty cool because on the one hand if it's work then it's a pretty unique way of like telling a story
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if that's the story you're doing, I think it really hits that home then for this feel like cost in the match and he's got a like, you know, it's non-title and it's like, you know, I was a step slow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I watch this over like, I would be somewhat surprised if this was, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: because it just it played into nothing afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if so, like again, this this recovery was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the the other thing if it was in and if it was just a legit slip, then a lot of credit goes to Leon slater for the way he was able to like, again, we talk about like the silver requirements carry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, we have to talk about Rea and Selena again, the botches will happen no matter what no matter how great you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: your reaction to them, especially for one of the younger guys, says the whole lot about maybe your value and your ability to stay calm under stress to the office and really to the audience at large.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the facts later, if again, this was legit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Managed to capitalize instinctively like this was fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: go back and watch this and watch Slater's reaction when he's thinking he's taking a phenomenal form and then when the pin happens, AJ goes to Leon in the corner and he's like talking to him like a loan in the corner and then he just hugs this guy big time afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, this was a very interesting act.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't believe they got as much as they could at a six and a half minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to have seen these guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really wish they had just gone with the idea we threw out, like Javan and Leon could have won this match and it sets up a title match on TV because I would love to see a rematch between these four, me Javan Evans is totally ready for the main roster at this point and I was only disappointed at how little time that these four got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think they had enough time to be the match that a lot of us were expecting going in, but that said this was fun for the time it lasted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I watched this and I was like, I could use 10 more minutes of this and I don't say that too often about professional wrestling matches these days knowing that it only went six minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that kind of makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They must have been rushed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, they had to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These shows like our don't have like a set time, but they probably still have some sort of set time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine what is a Chris Park was doing this one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure, like, you know, freaking out in the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I think Evans is ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Slater, though, actually came out of this one, maybe even like with he was highlighted more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, that was a really cool spot teasing the Styles clash on AJ, like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I would call both of them up together as a tag team as a way to introduce, if not technically their talent way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: except he pretty much is okay like there's no like again supply companies why imagine this before there are only four NXT talents that are getting this prime spot like you can argue the biggest bottle out of the entire year for an NXT talent and he's one of them okay and um the fact that he's a part of like the iron survivor and all these other things I feel like it's like he's he's sort of like a joe Henry that's that's very in an inevitably coming in already so
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I thought they would also play up the exhibition sort of link link between AJ and Slater a little bit more being like, you know, the first exhibition champion in the current one, but I mean, they didn't really, it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready for another scene of video this time we had Tom Brady mixed in with Jimmy Kimmel who told John Cena he can skip leg day and celebrate by having half a skittle Gabriel Leglacius who had to do a whole routine for us Jalen Brunson Lil Yati Vanessa Hutchison's and Jolly Roll on the beach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was probably the funniest one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kim will have a good line here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I laughed at the half of Skittle joke that he found, like put no effort into his.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe he's just like, maybe he's just not his thing, but like he put like his felt more like a tour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we, I have to say something about John Cena and B.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This would have been the video to go from Kimmel and then cut to Donald Trump in the arena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did not make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trump did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Miz, then interrupt Stephanie and Tessator.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You catch how they did this one, Stephanie was about to proclaim that the main event is going to be awesome and then the Miz cuts her off by yelling awesome in the ring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really did not, but someone really overthought this interruption.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Miz is in the ring and he is wearing his WrestleMania 27 gear that I'm really surprised isn't braunced in his home and that he wakes up every morning looking at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it could have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He could have taken it out of the glass case for this occasion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says this tour should not have pretended he didn't exist when I'm a main character from seen as history instead it's focusing on new stars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I beat him at WrestleMania 27.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he is cut a he is interrupted by our truth way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got this and our truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You you somehow predicted this exact scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, they were making the soul do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who told you, Tom?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was just, they made the soul, uh, abundant with the miz.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the truth was more so a guess of them coming up with a segment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just felt they had made this thing with the miz that I could not imagine the show without him on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had mentioned that they would be interrupted by Joe Hendry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have really been suspicious of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we finally actually got to pay off to our truth's balls because it turns out our truth watched SmackDown on on a on demand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you track down,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a copy of the show and saw that the miss switched the names and he denied someone an opportunity in the tournament and the name is Joe Hendry that the miss reads so Joe Hendry appears and do this whole crowd saying along with his theme they absolutely knew this guy and miss shuts off the music and they continue to sing and it's just Henry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: destroying the miz with a ball away slam does the spin with our truth a double five knuckle shuffle and then a standing ovation is Joe Hendry pins the miz and our truth counts three yeah so like man just when I thought this whole Joe Hendry thing had run its course I mean this crowd still reacted like
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[SPEAKER_00]: big to him as if like he certainly bigger than nope well he they reacted pretty well to open for me as well but like they reacted probably biggest to Joe Hendry of any any of the NXT guys um and I think it's the case where like in short spurts like I'm talking maybe like twice a year you could probably do a Joe Hendry thing to like this sort of obation but once you start seeing it every single week it really starts to wear thing but for now
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this still totally works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He should have appeared with the a hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's the whole NXT package together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I were to tell you a back at WrestleMania when Randy Orton demolished this guy, that one of these two people are going to pre-prominantly featured on John Cena's retirement show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the other will be not in, it will not exist on this night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you would have said, well, Joe Hendry is going to be getting a prominent spot
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[SPEAKER_00]: But good for all three, I guess getting some presents on the show, like, Miz and Arturism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, this was a show about trying to really make a focus on, you know, these talents that they clearly have on some kind of, you know, shortlist of who they see something in, to give a showcase to on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the continued trick with, with Henry is to, like, can you evolve the gimmick?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, can you add another dimension to it, but beyond this,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remains to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next Saturday night's main event will be January 24th, which is a very busy night, as UFC has its first paper view on a paramount that night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, I swear to God, another scene attribute video to this was the video to sweet disposition that they had put on YouTube earlier this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Michael Cole says the immortal words,
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Cena's final match is brought to you by MinuteMade, bring the juice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought who he was going to come out here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Gunther makes his entrance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is hated by this crowd and out comes John Cena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thunderous reaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He tries to take Stoo's camera away from him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could tell like production might have not been prepared for this because they didn't really like cut to the camera, and they kind of missed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was John Cena going into business for himself again, and he immediately apologized afterwards, and he will never do something like this again like the AJ intro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I just wonder Paul of Vek rehearsed this one with him before I hear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll find out soon enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple of rosaries here and there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he comes out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He hops down to the floor and there in the front row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a who's who?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trish, Eve Torres, RVD, Elijah, Kurt Angle, Mark Henry, Booker T, Kevin Owens is there, Michelle McCool, and we get a hug between John Cena and Haku.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the only... How was Haku there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he's got kids on the roster, but I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, for this show, like he was just Haku.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck, RFK is right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see in the right hand side?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, look, oh my God, I totally missed RFK was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, just notice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he was in acknowledged by scene, and Norm was Nick Con.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look at Nick, who's like, who the hell's this guy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I totally missed RFK there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good, good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see him until now either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, well, I hope I'm sure he's helping out with a medical in the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd is just going wild here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're chanting asshole, Gunther, fuck you, Gunther, which was a, it's not just Netflix, it's also peacock that is not gonna allow this, we get this bizarre censoring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you tapped out a Gunther as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Gunther in control at the beginning until Sina stops a chop and starts hitting shoulder tackles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This crowd, like John Sina could have just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: thrown punches for 20 minutes and this crowd was going to be behind him like he didn't have to do anything but he was he was going to this man was wrestling with the with the idea that I I am not wrestling another match ever again so let's just let's just bust everything out here and he had a great opponent to do it the AA gets stopped and he is hit with his first German and seen as avoiding the sleeper gets the STF this crowd just they're like that's it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Game over!
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not, and he's kicked away, takes a power bomb his first of several, and Gunther is telling the ref to ask if he's giving up, and he hits him with clothesline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After clothesline, after clothesline, the crowd starts chanting, super-seena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't put this young punk over, and then he ducks a fifth clothesline, and he comes back with shoulder tackles, pro-dobom, and another five knuckle shuffle, hits the AA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You knew it was not going to be over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gunther kicks out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Catches him in the sleeper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a reversal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cena applies his own sleeper as they bring up the loss to Jay Uso and how this could be the Achilles heel for Gunther, but no he is not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He breaks out, sends Cena into the steps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cena's mother, Gunther is mocking the crowd doing Cena's mannerisms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on top of the steps, Gunther gets hit with an AA through the desk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd goes wild for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Cena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: dialing it back says screw it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes for the top rope guillotine leg drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a nice tour is hamstring on his last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's done that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the entire run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This move was scary in his prime when he would do the this move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So credit to the guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for at least wanting to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he then yells to the crowd, this is the last one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he gets everyone to yell, you can't see me as he goes for a five knuckle shuffle and Gunther stops with a boot, power bomb, and then
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Gunther hit with a super AA Gunther kicks out again, and he counters the AA into a power bomb, hits the frog splash, and he applies the sleeper, and he goes to the mat, and this would be just forever seen as fighting this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to lift on to his shoulders, and Gunther holds on, finally breaks it in the corner, Gunther reapplies the sleeper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He breaks it again, hits an AA,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gunther kicks out, pops up like he's back from the dead, and again reapplies the sleeper, and in the all-time greatest chant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were focused on like just the structure of this match, I would say by the midpoint, you knew how this was ending, just the way that they were going with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's in this sleeper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they do the arms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this would actually be the most amazing finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the arm went down, but it holds up at three, not only does he hold it up at three, he flashes the okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in reality, if your arm goes down once, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the case and in modern combat, this is not real and it's it's seen a combat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So going through annihilate him with the hammer and and they'll elbows and puts the sleeper on for one final time and there was a corny part of me that thought this guy was about to because this just reminded me of Samoa Joe on dynamite I'm like oh my god is he gonna fucking salute and go out cold and thank God they did not do that and he just tapped out he almost
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[SPEAKER_01]: He almost had this like, smirk on his face as he was tapping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say like he didn't salute, but he did try to do some storytelling here by offering a smile, a very obvious smile as he was tapping out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I couldn't tell if he was fully going for a smile or if he was just being contorted in this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel you were right that this was like the smile.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The salute would have been all-time cringe worthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this might have been kind of crints worthy, but I find it interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he tried to end his career in a poetic way, which I'm grateful for, did it work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like, what are we to interpret from a man smiling?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the man who says, never give up, the man who hasn't tapped out in 20 years, actually tapping out and giving up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They should have done the sopranos and right before he taps, it just cuts to black, and that's the end of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if this was on NBC, it could have had that finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They went 23 minutes and 45 seconds here and do this finish, whatever you want to interpret it for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will coach it with this, but this crowd was so angry at this finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was the last thing this crowd spent half of their life savings on tickets to go see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This probably would have been the same reaction had they beat Sting on his final night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can make a lot of arguments that for this crowd on this night, Cena should have won this match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you can fully judge this because I think by Mania next year,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This finished might look great in hindsight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was not for the night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is for the future of Gunther, but these cutaways were chef's kiss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, these are amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they made the finish worth it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, what you guys think of this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will always love, this guy will be in my dreams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like I will never forget this image of this poor guy who spent, I would guess 250 bucks on this attire that you would never leave the house wearing ever again in your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're missing a few crying tears from children, but tears from adults, you know, crying adults, I think, made it just this way, but this was vociferous anger, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the so the cutaway shots were amazing and Michael Cole's line tonight professional wrestling destroyed sports entertainment yeah you Vince no that's how I certainly didn't mean I know sports entertainment is a Vince McMahon coin term and really like this matchup represents a complete difference in philosophies between the whole kind of this is balls guy and this is Vince's last guy or not his last guy but a guy
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Cody is kind of Vince's last guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to say of like, you know, the guy you recruited signed and was ready to push was I would consider Cody Vince's last project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the better part of like 20 years, I mean, the last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as Vince's guy, but yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the whole crowd is seeing a gun for a gets out of there immediately like he's gone scene it just sits in the ring as everyone chant bullshit and after a period they're like well we're not taking it out on this guy it's the way this match was booked that we hate and it goes into thank you scene and he takes a bow i'm gonna pause here because i do want to get some of your thoughts just on the match itself
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I thought the finish, for all we might have predicted, even though like gone through the winning, I kind of felt the finish to be a bit shocking, not in that like Cena lost, but the fact that he actually tapped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't think they would have in tab, I thought they could have him lose, I thought they could have him take a pinfall, I thought they could have him pass out to his omission, but have Cena actually like actively give up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is, I'm pretty interesting to me that they decided to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm trying to think like, what are we supposed to interpret from like this closing scene?
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[SPEAKER_00]: John Cena smiling, actively tapping out, actively giving up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he's talked a lot about like, what is it earning the sunset in these interviews?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can only assume that that might be what, like it's supposed to be flashing through this character's eyes right now, like what, like the fact that he's saying,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've done enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see the sun set while I'm in this sleeper hole with thunder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna tap out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose like you know who got this shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sean was at ringside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Him and Gargano were like, oh my god, dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cinema.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cinema.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, bro, fuck it for a what is the message here is that is it to say hey once you're near approaching 50 years old, it's okay to give up okay never give up for you for me sorry until you're 48 then just like it's over yeah I just give up I guess I like I wonder why they went this way instead of actually just having a pass out you know finished for instance but I thought the match was was awesome I mean it was it was a beautiful sort of like
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[SPEAKER_00]: closing chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the best version of a scene a match that we kind of got this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was you were going to do like I wouldn't even say like they overdid it on like there were don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a ton of like the near fall kickouts, but nowhere to me it felt like I'd like the volume of like some of the bigger matches like they pace them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know they gave enough to the crab.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say by like the 15 minute mark, I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how long was this, by the way?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was 20, 23, 45.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they went at distance here, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's probably why a lot of the sun, like it felt like this undercard was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was nothing on this undercard that went 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like they wanted all the time for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they wanted this show to be a marathon, either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I thought it was, so again, I'm skipping the commercials, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not really watching live, but I thought like the content was paced while according to interest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everybody was here for Sino, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if you cut the celebration out, this has done it two hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was still like time for a two-hour show with like this bonus celebration that almost felt like a, you know, after the camera stopped rolling type of segment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but the atmosphere I thought was, having this for was amazing as you would expect it to be and I think that that is what made it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was no way that was going to let it down even if this had been like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: awful match like this crowd who's going to be red hot for this match they were you get you got enough like hope spots with Sina and I'm I might be in the minority like I did not really mind this this ending at the end of it I think listen this crowd wanted Sina to win and there's a strong argument that you know you you
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're thinking of the idea that there's a bigger moment that we will deliver when Gunther falls to somebody and someone's gonna get that big win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for this audience, John Cena was that big guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was what they were here for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not here to see a bigger story down the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're here for John Cena, because John Cena's never going to be back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I argued that, you know, staying like it made a ton of sense for him to win that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why Stings was so surprising, because I think Sting had everything against him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was holding the championships on his way out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what made me to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I contend that, I think Sting could have won that one, because I don't think the bucks gained that much from retiring Sting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go on through, gains a lot from retiring Tonsina in this fashion, in the same category.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now got the retirement streak, like this guy should be AJ Styles last match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, and maybe Brock's last match, you know, a number of people's last match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Gunther and Brock, after this, like that feels like a massive match, and there's going to be a lot of people that are not going to want to see Brock in big plans for 2026, but he's going to be just going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is probably the biggest match that you can do with Brock next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bigger question is, who beats Gunther?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that is the next person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the person that, you know, they're really setting up here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not necessarily Gunther.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're lifting Gunther, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's the person that beats Gunther.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is going to be elevated that much higher as a result.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I like the finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was like, quite...
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[SPEAKER_00]: unique and like I almost feel like they could have gotten the same result just from seeing a passing out But that be able to claim that you know the first person the taps you know in 20 years to end his career like that That is a whole lot of value that you're giving Gunther, but I completely understand this crowds disappointment too like again a lot of the people that are watching tonight like
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[SPEAKER_00]: they they're used to the good guy winning, especially in in John Cena, you know, good guy always wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to see this reaction, I mean, they were reacting according to these cutaways as if it was like take or lose in the streak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It exactly represented that moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sort of elevation that breaking the streak gave to Brock Lesnar, well, Gunther has his own version of that now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I'm totally for the booking as much as it may have disappointed the crowd tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: then we get the post match in this this was something great it's felt like we were back in 2019 WWE creative because listen there is a this fucking shot this is going to go in the hall of fame this photo so
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[SPEAKER_01]: This crowd, all 19,000 of them, they are not upset at John Cena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not even upset at Gunther.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are upset that they gave us that finish on this guy's final night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know who the guy is, that ultimately signed off and crafted this, and this guy is gonna come out in front of this arena, the balls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, outcomes, the,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the consigliaries of WWE led by Paul Levak joined by Stephanie C.M.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Punk Cody Rhodes, Sean Michael's Bruce Pritchard and the Undertaker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: what a what a round table this would be for dinner and this crowd is so angry at Paul Levec he is booed so loudly when he comes out and he's right at the front of it and they start chanting you fucked up as Paul Levec gets on to the apron and he's just
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[SPEAKER_01]: trying to know sell this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Punk and Cody placed their belts on to Sino who looked so confused as to what they were doing and did not seem like he wanted to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it like could have been selling, but like man, this guy did really did not want to do like not want to hold the belts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it didn't want to pose with them and really had to kind of be pushed towards doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it felt very awkward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this did not feel like a planned out set like they were going to surprise him with this and John really felt like I am done and I just want to head out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see the finish?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I smiled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tapped out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I earned the.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said this guy wanted a subdued a post matches possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he wanted to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: sit in the ring, do the salute and walk out and that was it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he wanted any of this at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it felt like watching it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He almost just goes comical by doing the every corner and doing like the Daniel Bryan lifting up the belts over and over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, he just gives them back to punk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could
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[SPEAKER_00]: this kind of ruin the vibe if if anything I mean it's like in the vex mine I'm sure he designed all this and well that's finally like looked great but seen it was not really a willing participant so it it all ultimately felt a bit awkward actually so Paul gets on to the apron again they are so angry and Paul's just got this grin on his face like
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[SPEAKER_01]: five million dollar gate, fuck them, and then he points up to the, to the rafters, and I kid you not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got another music video for John Cena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This time, folks, one republic have been licensed out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we get all these, this is from like all these old DVD interviews with his mother, his father, all these talents, the most note worthy being Vince McMahon, showing on camera from an old interview from years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the image of Vince McMahon was in fact included in this video.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they've got the John Cena reaction outside like of his jaw like being stretched.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy did not show any movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No emotion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he showed pretty he was pretty emotional when Vince popped up like he you know he he definitely smiled like I thought there was some emotion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, more than I observed, it plays, he takes the bow, leaves his shoes, and 5,000 wristbands on the mat, kisses, re-odd, somebody chanted, leave the darts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a chance for the darts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, he said goodbye to re-odd season one last time, and salutes everyone at the front and says, it's been a pleasure surfing you all these years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one's out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe like the awkwardness of like the belt holding aside, like I thought I actually liked the video, I thought I thought it was like a fitting sort of like Maybe it would have been more effective if we didn't see already all the videos prior to it, but like to have like one final thing just to kind of like put a closing exclamation mark on a
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[SPEAKER_00]: on this man's career, I thought was actually a really nice one, and the walkout solo with the salute, I thought was really beautiful, and I think like a fitting sort of like cathartic end for the scene of career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought like this ultimately, you know, like when we're encapsulating the entire year,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a really strong retirement for a professional wrestler and I don't think most will ever get this sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most financially successful retirement run in wrestling history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they built the whole year around this to peak for this night and the idea that we're going to get something out of this for the new year with Gunther.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, they, this was like the most bells and whistles they have attached to any retirement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would include Rick Flair, which is
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[SPEAKER_01]: For Rick Flair's retirement, everyone remembers the match and the raw the next night after.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That whole run from November, up until the Go Home Raw, it is hardly like a great handling of the final months of Rick Flair's career and then boom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Go Home promo hits, the match is, that's when everyone realizes this is probably and is his last match and then you get that incredible ceremony on Raw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this, you know, they
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[SPEAKER_01]: The heel turn is going to be part of this final run and just, you know, they did make the pivot in not the smoothest aborms, but it got him into the position that you got the final run up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, that's what's going to be remembered is the end run and this final show, which much like the turn we did not get a Travis Scott on the show either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't that have been a great end?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like the final, the final moment Travis Scott comes at right at the end of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we say that for the Hall of Fame induction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which could be this year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so ended this two hour, 18 minute celebration of John Cena, which a lot to take in, if you were that performer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I would feel uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at that level of focus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there is, I do have reservations for the person that just wants to disappear one day and you never hear from them again and there's no pomp and circumstance for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is though, like this is not a man who, I think, like necessarily mind being embarrassed
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[SPEAKER_00]: if it's for the benefit of the company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every shirt this guy sells, you can argue, isn't embarrassing, and not something an adult should wear, but he'll gladly sell it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll gladly wear in every appearance because he, well, if he's helping this company, and you know what, he's helping a lot of children, like, you know, have a hero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as much as, as cringe-worthy as maybe some of these moments might be, I mean, I'm sure he ultimately is happy to do what's asked of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, there you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the show, and I really like the NXT show cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I really hope that for Saturday night main events in the future, this becomes an annual tradition, because I thought it was like valuable in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a chance to do some fresh matches every now and then that you can use this for some of your talent that come up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be very interesting to see how they
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[SPEAKER_01]: pace everything for the next month because you've got that first week of the year, you're doing that big barclays center show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the same week as, sorry, January second is the first three hour Smackdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That Monday is the barclays center show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, you've got Saturday night's main event, which is January 24th, one week before the Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a very busy month for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE and on top of that all these three hours SmackDown's that will be going down on for on Fridays So the little plenty of time way they could make room for an overfemmy if they really wanted to create a small Brown this really just call out the entire annex here roster really SmackTalk could certainly use it
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, we have a lot of feedback to the show as one would expect from our post-restlet cafe patrons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, one last push for many of you guys who may be just checking this out for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Later this week, we're going back to 2000 and to just months before John Cena's call up to the main roster with the draft from March of 2002.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So look forward to that post wrestling cafe.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to start things off at forum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Post wrestling.com Jurassic Park fan a pretty decent six out of ten share with a largely forgettable opening match with a predictably poor cowardly pathetic finish that puts no one over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Second match was good, but also having an overdone roll up finish tag match with high energy but felt abrupt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sina and Gunther with Sina tapping was pretty slow with the moves and cadence you'd expect, but nonetheless good work from both men, with crowd support and commentary really making this engaging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The post-match video on Ressor's Legend standing around with Sina proudly walking out to no music was nice, almost makes you forget about WWE's scandals cover-ups and mega affiliations and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I was somewhat surprised, Paul Vivek was booed and Vince shown in the video.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the longest they've shown him in a video package.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess they're slowly prepping for his return and likely Hall of Fame induction in the next 12-24 months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he asks us does John Cena make either of your Mount Rushmore of wrestlers, Cody versus Drew settled in an I quit hell in a cell last man standing or something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't have a Mount Rushmore of I based on what metric yeah, I just didn't ring best draw I mean it's it like just what like pro wrestlers every it's it's it's different for everybody and like if you're talking about, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: affect like what does that even mean you know it's it'd be a bit more specific about the mind rush more maybe I can give you an answer what do you see Cody and Drew how much do they extend this this is go all the way to rumble or do you feel they they do the match before hand
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a long time to rumble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think beforehand, I just don't think it has the legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it could just be on that first three-hour Smackdown, for instance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm guessing cage, like steel cage, they could do I quit last man standing, one of these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell on a cell feels like it's almost like two important of a gimmick, especially like with Drew attached, with Cody attached, even.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for them to like, give it away for a few that I think is to me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you do have to do something with Cody for the the rumble as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like that's way too long to hold off to the end of January for Drew like I would aim for like perhaps January second like that's that's still three weeks away and that feels like a good timeline to get toward that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you're up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This go to Dave, who says, seen as final run will most likely be remembered more for how poorly his heel run went, but it's hard to argue that the tournament itself in a vacuum isn't up there with hooking an Austin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked to see the NXT talent showcase a little more, it all felt very rushed to get to the main event, showing our card footage of Vince was better than the alternative but having him show up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sad it's over, sad Cena went out some knitting, but I understand why it happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 4 out of 10 for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't think Vince would have got all that negative of reaction if you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he had been shown just at ringside or something like that, I don't think they were going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they did, I don't think that this, like, quite frankly, this is an audience of probably would get much more upset about the booking of a finish than head Vince McMahon been there at ringside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll also say this for anyone that is going to be at all negative about any crowd reactions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When these crowds are paying this level of money, they can boo whatever they want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to hear any complaints about the fans and their reactions for that finish afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you know there will be a contingent of people complaining that the crowd didn't react the right way when Paul Leveck came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt writes, long time listener, first time review Leaver, well thank you Matt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a solid show with an amazing energetic crowd for the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Disappointing finished to the opening match, Obofemi looked great and will fit right into the main roster when they decide to call him up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness the rest of the card was high energy because that finished killed the crowd for a few minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Soul Rook is going to be a mega star after that performance, tag match managed to put over all four men, seeing him going through with everything I expected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody working hurt, while I'm certainly not going to criticize anyone's body, but he doesn't, doesn't quite look like the chiseled physique he had months ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He almost looked small.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did notice personally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say he didn't stand out to me in like a significant way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't see what he worked for James, so would that have been his last match?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would have been his last match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say enough to be able to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to Chris who says, the thing I was most struck by was how the scene of Gunther Match had a big match feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not like the Cody Reigns matches of recent years, but a truly big final fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There would be no interference or stipulations, just a good match where the outcome was truly in question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope WWE can create more stories that culminate in a straight-up match with the audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That the audience is invested in without overbooking, such a fun night of wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it can be done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's non-possible to do matches without run-ins and DQs or getting out of finishes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Andy B writes the submission drama and Cena Gunther ventured into pro wrestling magic for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A pity wrestling's at a point where the heat will go to the booker instead of the heel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The cutaways to the crowd and the professional wrestling destroyed sports entertainment line were awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you guys do with Gunther coming out of this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a good question of how you position him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, like I think that you can really run first of all, I would have him on Monday, just like gloating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think you'll have like a legitimate like backlash towards Gunther for for this kind of finish that you should milk for all it's worth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's he's kind of an interesting character for like rumble season of how you set him up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, if not for Cody being World Champion right now, on the same show that he's on, again, assuming that the Brandt's lid actually matters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they did like hold up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going through what Brandt is going through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's back down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he Smackdown?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Showed up on RAW.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could not possibly tell me what great they might say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They moved him deliberately on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't they?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was going to suggest, I mean, his immediate next act should be to go for the World Championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if not for the fact that it's helped by Cody, who seems to have a lot waiting for him already, like heading to many seasons, whether it be like,
01:05:58.720 --> 01:06:01.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Rains or like, you know what, one of these other guys.
01:06:01.927 --> 01:06:16.898
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I would almost suggest like go through like winning the championship or rumble and take it as a mania But I don't know if like Cody will be holding on to the belt until then because so then punk is on the other side and who's punk currently working like breaker and
01:06:16.878 --> 01:06:21.568
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, punk kind of is tied up to with like the vision and his story setting to Mania.
01:06:21.588 --> 01:06:24.955
[SPEAKER_00]: So, don't know where that leaves Gunther, but he needs to be a person.
01:06:24.975 --> 01:06:29.425
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be completely dominant, however they can push him that way.
01:06:30.086 --> 01:06:35.798
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an interesting question of like what the timeline is for AJ Styles.
01:06:36.875 --> 01:07:06.662
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, so you mean like just like head towards that already like I've got their I think you want to do that at some point what like I'm just thinking of like if you know if this guy's Retirement like by manion is he going longer like what is what is the timeline and and that kind of dictates things But I do feel like going through a block is your your big match like whenever you want to get to that It's like here are the two guys that really like were the ones that
01:07:06.642 --> 01:07:08.346
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see that being along with Dominic.
01:07:08.386 --> 01:07:12.878
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they all have like a win over Cena during the the final wins over John Cena.
01:07:13.319 --> 01:07:17.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so thank you, Chad, remember everybody's telling me, but there's a bra rest little, okay?
01:07:17.670 --> 01:07:19.875
[SPEAKER_00]: So remember that next time he, he's going to bounce back then.
01:07:19.895 --> 01:07:20.617
[SPEAKER_00]: How could you forget?
01:07:21.179 --> 01:07:22.542
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, I don't know how.
01:07:22.522 --> 01:07:29.109
[SPEAKER_00]: But that, to me, like, might spell, okay, whatever's happening with Seth Rollins, who knows, but like Seth will probably go after the vision.
01:07:29.189 --> 01:07:29.470
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:07:29.830 --> 01:07:32.333
[SPEAKER_00]: That would mean you hold off on Brad record winning the championship.
01:07:32.553 --> 01:07:36.037
[SPEAKER_00]: That leads punk with the championship, heading to Mania with Gunther.
01:07:36.337 --> 01:07:40.842
[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther could win the rumble face punk, take the belt from him, and then head towards SummerSlim, with Brock.
01:07:43.185 --> 01:07:44.947
[SPEAKER_01]: To SummerSlim, you're saying with Brock.
01:07:44.987 --> 01:07:45.087
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:47.481
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah like that that's possible.
01:07:48.281 --> 01:07:48.502
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
01:07:50.063 --> 01:07:51.945
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's go up next to Jesse.
01:07:52.426 --> 01:07:54.788
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get why the crowd booed triple H after seeing a photo match.
01:07:55.129 --> 01:07:56.250
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they hated the finish.
01:07:56.330 --> 01:07:57.571
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted John Cena to win.
01:07:57.611 --> 01:07:58.853
[SPEAKER_01]: That's as simple as it is.
01:07:58.933 --> 01:08:02.156
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, very simple to understand why they were upset with that finish.
01:08:02.437 --> 01:08:07.822
[SPEAKER_01]: And the guy who is the head of creative came out and could not have been happier as he was out there.
01:08:07.862 --> 01:08:12.087
[SPEAKER_01]: And we should mention, I have not seen the post show, but I guess
01:08:12.067 --> 01:08:29.991
[SPEAKER_01]: they now do the post show in like outdoors in front of all the fans and they continue just booing Paul Levec and he was you know trying to oh I thought it'd be a lot louder than this but I haven't seen any more than that but I mean the booing certainly continued with Paul Levec on
01:08:29.971 --> 01:08:31.914
[SPEAKER_01]: on the po-show afterwards.
01:08:31.974 --> 01:08:43.610
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting if this is kind of like the fans looking at this as like some you know some sort of negative viewpoint of Paul Levec that he he book John Cena's retirement.
01:08:43.730 --> 01:08:52.462
[SPEAKER_00]: It is honestly like could we say the most vocal anti crowd anti Levec reaction We've had since Vince Vince is exit.
01:08:52.482 --> 01:08:58.510
[SPEAKER_01]: We've never had a reaction like that to like I can't think of a booking reaction
01:08:58.777 --> 01:09:03.964
[SPEAKER_01]: quite like this under Paul of X. Oh, yeah, at this point.
01:09:03.984 --> 01:09:13.796
[SPEAKER_01]: Like even if you would want to say like Cody losing to Roman the first year at WrestleMania, like that was 2023, Vince is still in the picture at that point.
01:09:14.297 --> 01:09:20.364
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't say it was like the reaction, like at least in the immediate such as this.
01:09:20.865 --> 01:09:24.109
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this just a one night reaction?
01:09:24.764 --> 01:09:37.452
[SPEAKER_01]: positive, but like certainly like Paul of that kind of war this one, and it was an interesting choice having him like come out and all of their anger was that they had a target to place all their anger on it was Paul of that.
01:09:37.712 --> 01:09:42.503
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wonder if he was expecting it, and I wonder if he was surprised by it.
01:09:43.285 --> 01:09:44.427
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think like,
01:09:45.875 --> 01:10:04.052
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it'll stick with him the way it might stick with Vince now it does really underscore I think a year of like some you know certainly rising negativity towards the company whether it be based off of like their ticket pricing or just like whatever else like unsatisfying creative and you could argue this is a crowd that was like
01:10:04.032 --> 01:10:19.932
[SPEAKER_01]: among the highest ticket prices of any show like the amount that some of these people in that arena would have spent for these tickets is mind blowing and for them like maybe they're pissed off because you know they wanted to see a
01:10:19.912 --> 01:10:46.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Today they all came to celebrate John Cena like it's very like this should not be a stunning reaction like if you're gonna do a A heat angle expect heat and in this day and age like as was mentioned here like it is going to be like a booking decision It's gonna be there's gonna be a lot of heat on the company more so than the performer like that's just where we are in today's day and age But yeah, like this is a bold booking decision and I'm not even saying it with the wrong decision
01:10:46.608 --> 01:10:53.856
[SPEAKER_01]: But you do have to understand, like this was a reaction that you had to be expecting, like I can't be stunned by this.
01:10:54.097 --> 01:11:02.566
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's argue, like even if you're the type of fan who recognizes why they decide to do this, you know, for the benefit of gone through, for the benefit of the future superstar.
01:11:03.207 --> 01:11:04.869
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you still have a right to be pissed off.
01:11:04.969 --> 01:11:07.092
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course you can react.
01:11:07.232 --> 01:11:10.996
[SPEAKER_01]: You're there for this show on this night, and this is what you wanted.
01:11:11.036 --> 01:11:14.320
[SPEAKER_01]: You're totally within your rights, but because on a booking decision.
01:11:14.300 --> 01:11:18.205
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're paying that amount of money, you want to see the complete story.
01:11:18.285 --> 01:11:19.667
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see the finale.
01:11:19.727 --> 01:11:21.409
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see, you know, end game.
01:11:21.689 --> 01:11:25.915
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to see the beginning of the next story, which this, I think, very much was supposed to be.
01:11:26.736 --> 01:11:27.957
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're here for this show.
01:11:27.977 --> 01:11:30.260
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not thinking six months down the road.
01:11:30.280 --> 01:11:31.242
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not a shareholder.
01:11:31.262 --> 01:11:32.463
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not Paul Lebeck.
01:11:32.483 --> 01:11:38.811
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you are, again, I have no issue of a fan that's upset about this.
01:11:38.831 --> 01:11:39.672
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a lot of them.
01:11:39.732 --> 01:11:41.775
[SPEAKER_01]: So fair enough.
01:11:41.755 --> 01:11:43.117
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's go to Drew.
01:11:43.157 --> 01:11:45.099
[SPEAKER_01]: I only keep up through post at this point.
01:11:45.300 --> 01:11:49.705
[SPEAKER_01]: Haven't been able to enjoy wrestling the way I used to in a long time, but especially after the recent Vince lawsuit.
01:11:49.986 --> 01:11:52.609
[SPEAKER_01]: But it'll last hard to throw away all the time I've spent on this weird world.
01:11:52.910 --> 01:11:57.295
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went to watch John Cena's final match at the, uh, in West Seattle.
01:11:57.496 --> 01:11:58.076
[SPEAKER_01]: It was rad.
01:11:58.337 --> 01:11:59.038
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a photo.
01:11:59.258 --> 01:12:00.239
[SPEAKER_01]: I wore all black.
01:12:00.660 --> 01:12:04.024
[SPEAKER_01]: Go more in the end and make something to honor as I tap out on wrestling.
01:12:04.545 --> 01:12:07.729
[SPEAKER_01]: Here are some high-couze I wrote during each match.
01:12:07.709 --> 01:12:08.690
[SPEAKER_01]: except for the tag.
01:12:08.951 --> 01:12:09.512
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.
01:12:09.592 --> 01:12:09.812
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:12:09.832 --> 01:12:13.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's let's just go to a we'll read the final two.
01:12:13.337 --> 01:12:13.618
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:12:14.599 --> 01:12:27.458
[SPEAKER_01]: Soul Rook versus Bailey artists athlete's rise rope freedom re-odd season state sponsored bar claps scene of versus Gunther proving goodness draws satisfying sequences DC fascism.
01:12:27.939 --> 01:12:28.139
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:32.586
[SPEAKER_01]: This man sounds like he had a wonderful this guy is the guy you want to sit next to at the bar.
01:12:32.701 --> 01:12:36.886
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounded like he might have stuck around at the bar for quite a while, even after the show.
01:12:37.286 --> 01:12:37.527
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for submitting feedback afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're always welcome poetry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Drew.
01:12:43.314 --> 01:12:43.954
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
01:12:43.974 --> 01:12:44.655
[SPEAKER_00]: Hope you had a good time.
01:12:44.675 --> 01:12:50.803
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to Robbie from London, Ontario, who says, well, for one of my couple times a year watching WWE, this was okay.
01:12:51.263 --> 01:12:55.628
[SPEAKER_00]: After watching Cena for so many years and being a fan of Gunther, it was an enjoyable and a fan event.
01:12:55.648 --> 01:12:57.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Although post match, I found the card a little annoying.
01:12:57.811 --> 01:13:05.463
[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the card, Open Cody, was going along long until the lousy finish, sold got her big win, and what I thought was an absolutely great tag team match.
01:13:05.484 --> 01:13:08.108
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, agey pinning slater will lead to an ex-division toggle match.
01:13:08.348 --> 01:13:08.949
[SPEAKER_00]: Fingers crossed.
01:13:09.290 --> 01:13:10.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Solid B show.
01:13:10.271 --> 01:13:10.552
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:13:10.872 --> 01:13:11.894
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that possible, John?
01:13:13.236 --> 01:13:15.600
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that match happening in TNA.
01:13:16.593 --> 01:13:19.136
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like you did pin the champion there.
01:13:19.316 --> 01:13:19.897
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:13:19.917 --> 01:13:20.218
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:13:20.878 --> 01:13:23.181
[SPEAKER_01]: Logically, that should lead to such a match.
01:13:23.662 --> 01:13:27.627
[SPEAKER_00]: If AJ was going to make an NXT appearance, I mean, that's the match that I think you want.
01:13:27.967 --> 01:13:29.509
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting a TNA appearance.
01:13:30.070 --> 01:13:35.617
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, between the AMC debut and Genesis, like there's no shortage of like a need.
01:13:35.637 --> 01:13:43.647
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you wanted that AJ Styles match, and especially with this retirement, like would they grant him one match in,
01:13:43.627 --> 01:13:50.751
[SPEAKER_01]: in TNA before before that run it's up, but that that seems like a layup, but it does require them to give the go ahead.
01:13:51.203 --> 01:13:57.831
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and you would probably say, like, Gleon Slater would be probably at the top of that list of TNA oranges to do with them.
01:13:57.851 --> 01:13:58.632
[SPEAKER_00]: Or he peep in them.
01:13:59.253 --> 01:13:59.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:59.373 --> 01:13:59.673
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:59.693 --> 01:14:01.816
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the direction if you were to go that way.
01:14:02.457 --> 01:14:03.999
[SPEAKER_01]: And the last one is from Tyler Crane.
01:14:04.459 --> 01:14:05.981
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to leave my thoughts on the main event.
01:14:06.101 --> 01:14:06.902
[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed it.
01:14:06.983 --> 01:14:10.287
[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing this final entrance actually got me a little bit emotional and made for a big fight feel.
01:14:10.427 --> 01:14:13.230
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the match and thought going through with a perfect choice and I agree with the ending.
01:14:13.471 --> 01:14:16.394
[SPEAKER_01]: It actually brought smile to my face, watching, seeing a smile as he tapped out.
01:14:16.674 --> 01:14:21.160
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I shouldn't, I shouldn't be shocked
01:14:21.140 --> 01:14:33.893
[SPEAKER_01]: the people complain saying it's a downer in a bad ending, but I think either way there would have been complaints, but I thought it was the right call, and finally, as a guy who didn't like seeing a ton at first, I've grown to appreciate him as the special one of a kind talent that he is.
01:14:33.953 --> 01:14:34.795
[SPEAKER_01]: He will be missed.
01:14:36.260 --> 01:14:54.083
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, one of the kind is definitely a way you could describe him, you know, after the, especially recent month, but like the year we've had pretty much a burst, not just in this man sort of like in-ring activity, but his interviews and his philosophies, yeah, one of the kind would be certainly maintain the Twitter account.
01:14:55.345 --> 01:14:58.976
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think will he continue the Steve Austin memes on on Instagram.
01:14:59.056 --> 01:14:59.979
[SPEAKER_01]: These are all the questions.
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:07.802
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, does everything end after tonight that even we will we will find out Sunday with his post wrap up interview with Tom Renaldi.
01:15:08.002 --> 01:15:09.324
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's doing that.
01:15:09.484 --> 01:15:09.725
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:15:09.745 --> 01:15:11.708
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing that on Sunday apparently.
01:15:12.328 --> 01:15:20.541
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's doing a post match wrap up interview with Tom Renaldi sometime on Sunday So I assume that's gonna be released in the next 24 hours or something like that.
01:15:20.561 --> 01:15:29.434
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the retirement like him retiring from social media We'll be we'll be me He did a social media on his phone right there on on camera.
01:15:29.474 --> 01:15:32.659
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like one of these fans shocked
01:15:32.926 --> 01:15:41.915
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, and he'll fill us upically explain tonight's match and it's like, I love those booze.
01:15:41.935 --> 01:15:42.856
[SPEAKER_00]: What, what are booze?
01:15:42.996 --> 01:15:44.537
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the meaning behind those booze?
01:15:44.557 --> 01:15:48.181
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we ask who, who cares about what if?
01:15:49.442 --> 01:15:51.344
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, everybody, that's the end of John Cena's career.
01:15:51.504 --> 01:15:51.824
[SPEAKER_01]: It's done.
01:15:52.005 --> 01:15:53.406
[SPEAKER_01]: It's over and so is this show.
01:15:53.526 --> 01:15:57.350
[SPEAKER_01]: We thank everyone for joining us here late on a Saturday night.
01:15:57.570 --> 01:16:02.595
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