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This episode dives deep into the film "Falling Down," exploring its relevance and impact more than three decades after its release. Hosts Kyle, Seth, and returning guest Mariana Brown discuss the film's portrayal of societal frustrations and the character's descent into chaos as he grapples with feelings of displacement in a rapidly changing world. They reflect on how the film captures the essence of the American experience, particularly in the context of the 1990s and how it resonates with contemporary issues. The conversation also touches on the film's cinematography, directing, and the performances of Michael Douglas and Robert Duvall, highlighting their ability to convey complex emotions in a gritty Los Angeles setting. As they navigate the themes of alienation, societal expectations, and the absurdity of modern life, they conclude that "Falling Down" remains a significant commentary on the human condition, ultimately awarding it a "whammy burger."
A riveting conversation unfolds as hosts Kyle and Seth are joined by Nashville comedian Mariana Brown to dissect the complexities of the film "Falling Down". The trio dives deep into the film's exploration of the disillusionment felt by the everyman in a rapidly changing society, particularly in the context of Los Angeles in the early 90s. The discussion touches on how the protagonist, played by Michael Douglas, navigates a world that seems to alienate and frustrate him, leading to his explosive outbursts. The hosts reflect on their own experiences with the film, noting its relevance in today's world, where feelings of anger and helplessness can still resonate strongly. They examine the cultural and social commentary embedded in the film, drawing parallels to modern-day life and the pressures faced by individuals in a capitalist society.
As the conversation progresses, the comedic undertones of the film are explored, with Mariana sharing her perspective on the absurdity of the situations portrayed. The hosts analyze the cinematography and production choices made by director Joel Schumacher, praising how the film's gritty aesthetic amplifies the emotional turmoil of its characters. The dialogue of the film is dissected as well, with a focus on how the characters' interactions reflect broader societal themes such as isolation and desperation. The episode culminates in a spirited debate about whether the film could be remade in today's context, with all three hosts agreeing on its timeless nature and the powerful messages it conveys about the human condition.
Takeaways:
- The podcast discusses the film 'Falling Down', highlighting its cultural commentary on frustration and societal pressures.
- Hosts reflect on how the film's representation of LA feels relevant and timely in today's world.
- Guests share personal experiences with the film, emphasizing its relatable themes of anger and alienation.
- The discussion includes the impact of Michael Douglas's performance and the film's unique narrative style.
- Listeners learn about the historical context of the film's creation during a time of economic change.
- The episode concludes with a humorous take on the absurdity of modern life, comparing it to the film.
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00:00:03
Movie Wars.
Kyle
00:00:12
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast.
Kyle
00:00:16
Mariana Brown is back, ladies and gentlemen.
Seth
00:00:19
I'm here, too.
Kyle
00:00:19
She crushed it so hard.
Kyle
00:00:21
And Seth's here, too.
Kyle
00:00:22
But you're on so many of them.
Kyle
00:00:24
They know you.
Kyle
00:00:24
We have a new friend here.
Kyle
00:00:25
Come on, let's.
Seth
00:00:26
You know, she was in the last one.
Seth
00:00:28
Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:00:28
I know.
Kyle
00:00:28
Well, they don't know that.
Kyle
00:00:29
We film him back to back.
Kyle
00:00:30
It's a different day.
Seth
00:00:32
Hey, I love same clothes.
Kyle
00:00:34
No.
Kyle
00:00:35
So glad.
Kyle
00:00:35
Seth.
Kyle
00:00:36
So glad you're here.
Kyle
00:00:37
He's mad that I missed his birthday party.
Seth
00:00:38
A little bit.
Seth
00:00:39
Just a little salty.
Mariana
00:00:39
I'm gonna make invite me.
Mariana
00:00:41
So.
Seth
00:00:41
I'm sorry.
Seth
00:00:42
I didn't know.
Seth
00:00:43
I didn't know you'd come.
Mariana
00:00:44
I wouldn't.
Mariana
00:00:45
I wouldn't have, actually.
Mariana
00:00:46
So I just like being invited.
Kyle
00:00:48
This is.
Kyle
00:00:49
So we're doing Falling down here, and I've wanted to cover this movie for a long time.
Kyle
00:00:53
And it's kind of funny when, like, with the age of the Internet, sometimes you see some of your favorite movies from childhood resurface in memes and stuff.
Kyle
00:01:00
And all of a sudden, I started seeing these Michael Douglas falling down memes, and it reminded me how much I loved it.
Kyle
00:01:05
This is one of those movies that.
Kyle
00:01:06
And I'm sure we all have these.
Kyle
00:01:07
I.
Kyle
00:01:07
My parents, you know, crazy bipolar alcoholics, which sucked.
Kyle
00:01:12
But I got to watch whatever I wanted, so if you want to be positive.
Kyle
00:01:16
And I watched this movie a lot as a kid.
Kyle
00:01:18
But what's funny is, like, I obviously could not really comprehend.
Kyle
00:01:22
Now I got 37 years of life behind me, lots of corporate disgruntlement in my life.
Kyle
00:01:27
And I watched this.
Kyle
00:01:27
This time, I'm like, oh, I get it, buddy.
Kyle
00:01:30
Life sucks, bro.
Seth
00:01:32
Yeah.
Kyle
00:01:33
Yeah.
Mariana
00:01:33
This guy's my hero.
Kyle
00:01:35
Yes.
Kyle
00:01:35
Yes.
Kyle
00:01:36
And, you know, and there's a lot of background setting to this movie.
Kyle
00:01:40
You know, this is a post Cold War.
Kyle
00:01:42
It's based on.
Kyle
00:01:43
And we'll get to this with the randos, but there was this.
Kyle
00:01:45
This layoff of defense workers after the Cold War.
Kyle
00:01:48
Like, we had no need for the development of weapons that we were.
Kyle
00:01:51
So there was a lot of people that were getting displaced from work.
Kyle
00:01:54
And there was, like, there was defense worker strikes in Los Angeles.
Kyle
00:01:57
And so this is based on a very real thing that happened.
Kyle
00:02:00
And that's where the writer of the screenplay actually got his.
Kyle
00:02:03
The inspiration for this.
Kyle
00:02:04
So it's very much based in reality.
Kyle
00:02:06
And Michael Douglas, to me, is so interesting in this because, you know, he was a sex icon.
Kyle
00:02:10
Yeah.
Kyle
00:02:10
You know, the long hair and he even talks about how he was very reluctant to cut his hair when his.
Seth
00:02:14
Dad was a sex icon.
Kyle
00:02:15
Yes.
Seth
00:02:16
Like, literally in the 50s, his dad was like, the guy.
Kyle
00:02:19
Yeah.
Kyle
00:02:20
And when you tell people that that Douglas first was a producer and that his biggest claim to fame was almost cleaning.
Kyle
00:02:25
Or didn't he get to all five of the main Oscars for One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest as a producer?
Seth
00:02:30
Maybe.
Kyle
00:02:30
I think they did.
Kyle
00:02:31
They're one of the few films they got nominated for.
Kyle
00:02:33
All five?
Kyle
00:02:33
I can't remember if it got all five, but, you know, he produced that.
Kyle
00:02:36
And so he's the one accepting the Oscar.
Seth
00:02:38
Yeah.
Kyle
00:02:38
For One Flew over the.
Kyle
00:02:39
Like, Michael Douglas has this insane career.
Kyle
00:02:41
Totally a daddy's boy, though.
Kyle
00:02:43
I'm just kidding.
Kyle
00:02:44
I don't know.
Kyle
00:02:45
But yeah, I was really stoked to do this and, you know, it was kind of weird watching it in 2024.
Kyle
00:02:51
Like, this dude.
Kyle
00:02:52
This dude's pissed off before the Internet.
Seth
00:02:54
Yeah.
Mariana
00:02:56
Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:02:57
This is what happens when you can't tweet your shit.
Seth
00:02:59
Yeah.
Seth
00:03:00
And you actually go, Twitter is important.
Kyle
00:03:01
Yeah, we need Twitter for the psychos out there.
Mariana
00:03:04
Yeah.
Mariana
00:03:04
This is a guy who can't vent.
Seth
00:03:05
Yeah.
Kyle
00:03:06
Yeah.
Kyle
00:03:06
How did you two experience this film?
Seth
00:03:09
I'd never seen it before this.
Kyle
00:03:11
Okay.
Seth
00:03:11
Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Seth
00:03:12
I literally, the whole time I'm watching it, and my favorite thing is how every time something happens, he literally levels up his weapon and it literally reminded me of, like, what?
Seth
00:03:23
This would be the coolest video game ever.
Seth
00:03:25
No context.
Seth
00:03:26
You just come in as this dude in his car going to work, and then every time you beat the shit out of someone, you take their weapon and you upgrade the whole movie.
Kyle
00:03:34
Yes.
Mariana
00:03:34
Sims.
Seth
00:03:35
Yeah, yeah, the Sims.
Seth
00:03:37
But violence.
Mariana
00:03:38
Yes.
Seth
00:03:39
So I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Kyle
00:03:41
Love it.
Seth
00:03:41
Yeah.
Mariana
00:03:42
I actually.
Mariana
00:03:42
It's funny, my husband, who's not like a movie person, he had watched it before and he was like, oh, yeah, I want to watch that with you.
Mariana
00:03:49
And I was like, all right.
Mariana
00:03:50
This is like the second movie we've watched together in 30 years.
Mariana
00:03:53
And I loved it.
Mariana
00:03:55
This, I've never related to a character so much seriously, as this guy.
Mariana
00:04:00
Especially when he just leaves this car at the beginning.
Mariana
00:04:02
I'm like, that was every day I ever came home from my day job.
Mariana
00:04:07
I was like, yeah, let's just burn it down.
Seth
00:04:09
Yeah, yeah, he is.
Mariana
00:04:11
He's my spirit animal.
Kyle
00:04:13
He's sweaty and he's pissed.
Kyle
00:04:14
Yeah, yeah.
Mariana
00:04:15
And he's wearing.
Mariana
00:04:16
And he's wearing a pocket protector and a short sleeve button down.
Mariana
00:04:20
That shouldn't Exist.
Seth
00:04:21
I felt like disgustingly hot while watching the movie.
Seth
00:04:26
That's how well it made you feel.
Seth
00:04:28
The summer heat of la.
Seth
00:04:29
Like, oh, my God.
Kyle
00:04:31
And it's kind of funny.
Kyle
00:04:32
We're doing two bat.
Kyle
00:04:32
We did drive before.
Kyle
00:04:34
We were doing two back to back LA films.
Kyle
00:04:36
Two very different interpretations of la.
Seth
00:04:39
Yes.
Kyle
00:04:39
One makes you want to move there.
Kyle
00:04:41
One makes you never want to go there.
Mariana
00:04:43
Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:04:44
For real.
Kyle
00:04:45
Yeah.
Seth
00:04:45
Oh, my God.
Seth
00:04:46
But yeah, it was.
Seth
00:04:47
I was not.
Seth
00:04:48
I had no idea what to expect.
Seth
00:04:49
I didn't look at anything before I watched it.
Seth
00:04:51
And.
Seth
00:04:51
And it delivered.
Seth
00:04:52
It delivered very well.
Seth
00:04:53
Very shocking for Joel Schumacher.
Kyle
00:04:55
Yes.
Kyle
00:04:56
And I was fixing.
Kyle
00:04:56
That's a great segue.
Kyle
00:04:57
I was gonna go.
Kyle
00:04:58
I'm just looking at his.
Kyle
00:04:59
I mean, he's has so many films.
Kyle
00:05:00
This is a guy that's all over the place.
Seth
00:05:02
I mean, he did rip Joel Schumacher.
Seth
00:05:04
By the way, we love you and we miss you.
Kyle
00:05:06
I know.
Kyle
00:05:06
Yeah.
Kyle
00:05:07
I mean, obviously you can make fun of.
Kyle
00:05:08
I liked Batman Forever, but then Batman and Robin was awful.
Kyle
00:05:11
Complete dumpster fire.
Kyle
00:05:12
But He Also, number 23 is kind of this artsy like coming out party for Jim Carrey as an actor.
Mariana
00:05:18
That's another one that I got for a dollar at Walmart on a dvd.
Kyle
00:05:20
Yes.
Kyle
00:05:21
I miss.
Kyle
00:05:22
Yeah, you miss the dollar bin.
Mariana
00:05:24
Oh, God, great films.
Kyle
00:05:26
Now it's the Amazon bin.
Kyle
00:05:27
And they're like $10.
Seth
00:05:28
I will say it always shocks me to remember that he directed Phantom of the Opera.
Seth
00:05:33
Like, because that is so outside of everything he's ever done.
Kyle
00:05:37
Yeah.
Seth
00:05:37
And it's.
Seth
00:05:37
It's in my opinion, quite possibly his best movie.
Kyle
00:05:41
Yeah.
Kyle
00:05:41
And he has a movie in my top 50, which is lost Boys.
Kyle
00:05:45
Oh, right.
Kyle
00:05:45
My.
Kyle
00:05:46
I think it's the best vampire movie.
Kyle
00:05:47
But it's also just to me is like ultimate 80s.
Seth
00:05:50
I still haven't seen that.
Kyle
00:05:51
Oh, bro.
Seth
00:05:51
Yeah, Put on the list.
Seth
00:05:53
Good.
Kyle
00:05:54
The 4K is $10 on Amazon, but buy it somewhere else.
Kyle
00:05:58
Fuck Amazon.
Kyle
00:05:59
I used to work there.
Seth
00:06:00
Please sponsor us.
Mariana
00:06:01
Yeah, same.
Mariana
00:06:01
I used to work there too.
Kyle
00:06:02
Fuck them.
Kyle
00:06:03
Go.
Kyle
00:06:04
Go back to Walmart.
Kyle
00:06:06
So, yeah, so yeah, Joel Schumacher, rip.
Kyle
00:06:08
But you know, has a lot of crazy and that this is.
Kyle
00:06:11
But this movie just kind of sticks out of the filmography.
Kyle
00:06:13
It's very.
Kyle
00:06:13
Feels very real.
Kyle
00:06:14
It feels like a very, like relatable thing.
Seth
00:06:16
So very stripped down.
Kyle
00:06:18
Yes.
Seth
00:06:18
Yeah.
Kyle
00:06:19
Yes.
Kyle
00:06:20
So before we get to the questions, if you have a fan out there, Michael Douglas, you know, always your grandma, always your grandma.
Seth
00:06:26
And if she's not a fan of Michael Douglas, she's definitely a fan of Kirk Douglas.
Seth
00:06:29
So either way.
Kyle
00:06:30
Yeah.
Seth
00:06:31
The Douglas boys.
Kyle
00:06:32
Yeah.
Seth
00:06:32
Papa and Son.
Kyle
00:06:33
Or Doug the Show Doug.
Kyle
00:06:35
Someone out there.
Kyle
00:06:37
Someone out there needs this podcast.
Kyle
00:06:38
It's going to save their life.
Kyle
00:06:39
It saved my life.
Kyle
00:06:40
It saved all these folks life.
Kyle
00:06:42
Share this podcast if you're wondering about.
Seth
00:06:44
The light, Harrison Ford is making another appearance.
Seth
00:06:47
He might actually come on camera today.
Seth
00:06:49
We don't know, but that is my cat.
Seth
00:06:51
For those of you wondering, that's why there's light going around the fourth member.
Seth
00:06:54
Yeah.
Kyle
00:06:55
All right.
Kyle
00:06:56
Do you think the questions.
Kyle
00:06:58
Do you think fast food places strongly reconsidered their breakfast service times after seeing this movie?
Seth
00:07:03
I mean, when did this movie come out?
Kyle
00:07:05
1993.
Seth
00:07:06
Okay.
Seth
00:07:07
Yeah.
Seth
00:07:07
It was a while before McDonald's ended up doing all day breakfast.
Seth
00:07:10
And then they took it away.
Seth
00:07:11
You bastards bring back all day breakfast.
Kyle
00:07:14
Yeah.
Seth
00:07:15
Sonic is so good for that.
Seth
00:07:16
Even though their breakfast is vastly under, under par.
Seth
00:07:20
But, yeah, I have a feeling a lot of them did.
Seth
00:07:23
I have a feeling a lot of them saw this and we're just like, all right, we've got a.
Seth
00:07:25
We gotta be clear on.
Seth
00:07:27
Cause I think a lot of them switch to 11 on the weekends.
Kyle
00:07:29
Yeah.
Kyle
00:07:29
This is how bad it can get.
Seth
00:07:31
Yeah.
Mariana
00:07:31
They're like, he does have a point, actually.
Seth
00:07:33
So there should be a grace period, like a five minute after it changes.
Seth
00:07:39
Grace period where you're like, okay, we still have some biscuits, fine.
Mariana
00:07:43
I think if they still have any of it ready, you should be able to buy it till it's gone.
Seth
00:07:46
Yeah.
Seth
00:07:47
Right.
Kyle
00:07:47
Yeah.
Mariana
00:07:48
You're going to make somebody's day.
Seth
00:07:49
Actually, when I went to Orlando a couple of weeks ago for my birthday, when I hit the Atlanta airport, I immediately was like, I just need to get something in my stomach.
Seth
00:07:59
And I ran over to Chick Fil A.
Seth
00:08:00
I watched the menu change from breakfast to lunch as I was in line, and I was so excited to get a chicken biscuit.
Seth
00:08:07
And then out of nowhere, just switched to lunch.
Seth
00:08:09
And I kind of felt his anger before I'd even seen the movie.
Seth
00:08:12
I felt his anger in that moment and I was just like, fuck this.
Kyle
00:08:15
Yeah.
Kyle
00:08:16
I mean, Taco Bell is the ultimate example of this.
Kyle
00:08:18
Everything they invent is the same shit, different wrapper.
Seth
00:08:20
Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
00:08:21
Like, oh, beef and a corn tortilla.
Kyle
00:08:23
Beef and two tortillas.
Kyle
00:08:24
Yeah, beef and three.
Kyle
00:08:26
It's just like, let's fold the tortilla different way.
Seth
00:08:28
It's a bacon and a taco waffle.
Kyle
00:08:30
Yeah, it's.
Kyle
00:08:31
It's.
Kyle
00:08:31
It's a meat, a car barb and some other shit.
Seth
00:08:33
Yeah.
Mariana
00:08:34
Yeah.
Kyle
00:08:34
Whether or not it's breakfast or lunch, just do it.
Seth
00:08:36
Whether or not it's actual meat.
Kyle
00:08:38
Yeah.
Seth
00:08:38
You never know.
Kyle
00:08:39
Who knows?
Kyle
00:08:39
Who cares.
Mariana
00:08:40
Well, also, it's.
Mariana
00:08:40
It's like a great example of a rule that doesn't matter, that, like, people enforce for no reason.
Mariana
00:08:45
You know, it just.
Mariana
00:08:46
That's the stuff that makes you so angry about life.
Mariana
00:08:48
You're like, but why?
Seth
00:08:50
Yeah.
Mariana
00:08:51
And not to mention when she.
Mariana
00:08:53
When he first brings up the gun and she's gonna do what he says, you know, she just, like, grabs something from right there.
Mariana
00:09:00
And I'm like, so it was right there and you couldn't give it to him?
Kyle
00:09:06
Yeah.
Seth
00:09:06
Well, hold on.
Seth
00:09:07
Did she hand him a burger?
Seth
00:09:08
Because I thought.
Seth
00:09:09
I thought at that point he was like, never mind.
Seth
00:09:11
I'll have lunch.
Seth
00:09:12
She gave him the burger.
Mariana
00:09:13
So she grabs the.
Mariana
00:09:15
So I was very paying attention to the moment.
Seth
00:09:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mariana
00:09:18
So she grabs this, and then he goes, no, I would like a burger.
Mariana
00:09:20
And then she grabs something else.
Seth
00:09:22
Oh, yeah, you guys.
Mariana
00:09:24
And that burger looks horrible.
Seth
00:09:26
Yeah.
Mariana
00:09:27
It probably still looks the same.
Mariana
00:09:29
Oh, probably.
Seth
00:09:30
Yeah.
Mariana
00:09:30
That's in a museum somewhere.
Seth
00:09:32
Yeah.
Kyle
00:09:32
I love that he called out the sad, squashed nature of it, because that's so real.
Mariana
00:09:36
And that kid.
Mariana
00:09:37
I loved the kid just being like, yeah, that.
Seth
00:09:40
Yeah, this movie should not have been as funny as it was.
Seth
00:09:45
Yeah, it was.
Seth
00:09:45
So.
Seth
00:09:46
But everyone was so dry about the.
Seth
00:09:49
The hilarious nature of what was going on with this movie.
Seth
00:09:53
I loved it.
Kyle
00:09:54
Yeah.
Kyle
00:09:55
Well, and I think it had to be in the commentary.
Kyle
00:09:58
Joel did describe it as somewhat of a black comedy.
Seth
00:10:00
Yeah.
Kyle
00:10:01
Um, not.
Kyle
00:10:01
Not in the deepest sense.
Kyle
00:10:02
But, like, the truth is that even the.
Seth
00:10:05
The.
Kyle
00:10:05
I love what you said, because the idea of this breakfast menu, it's so arbitrary.
Kyle
00:10:08
But it also, like, you know, it's like you start to realize the power structures in our life that can drive someone to a point to where he's at as much as being laid off from the place, because, you know, his whole thing is, I protected this country, and when they didn't need me, they were done.
Seth
00:10:21
Yeah.
Kyle
00:10:21
And now this guy could be considered a hero.
Kyle
00:10:24
And now he's being subjected to the breakfast menu time.
Kyle
00:10:27
And it's just, like, these arbitrary things that are in life that you could remove, but society won't allow you to move.
Kyle
00:10:33
And for that reason, people go insane, kill themselves, depression, all that medication just to cope with the daily life, because we are just, like, restricted out of our minds.
Seth
00:10:42
Yeah.
Kyle
00:10:43
So there's a very real, like.
Kyle
00:10:44
Even though it's funny and it's a breakfast scene.
Kyle
00:10:46
It is very much like shit.
Kyle
00:10:47
Like, I love what you said.
Kyle
00:10:48
It's like, you could just not do this and just have breakfast.
Mariana
00:10:52
Oh, sorry.
Seth
00:10:52
Go ahead.
Mariana
00:10:53
Well, I used to manage a retail shop at Buffalo Exchange.
Mariana
00:10:57
Like, you know, it's thrift stuff.
Mariana
00:10:59
There shouldn't be 600 rules.
Mariana
00:11:02
We should be able to make somebody's day if they're having a bad day.
Mariana
00:11:05
And it's just so easy.
Mariana
00:11:07
And what they don't realize is, like, you do have some power.
Mariana
00:11:10
There are some things they give you to, like a rabbit out of a hat to make somebody's day.
Mariana
00:11:15
You know, like, they're freaking out.
Mariana
00:11:17
So I am just kind of like, it's annoying that you have to push the other person to a point to where they'll act like a human.
Mariana
00:11:23
And you're like, why couldn't you just have done that at the beginning?
Seth
00:11:25
Exactly.
Seth
00:11:26
Yeah, exactly.
Mariana
00:11:27
Why are we doing that?
Mariana
00:11:28
Why are we all pretending like this isn't a simulation?
Kyle
00:11:31
Yeah, Yeah.
Seth
00:11:32
I.
Seth
00:11:33
I'm reminded of a meme that I saw recently that was like, capitalism us so bad that all of the movies that were like horror movies of the 90s were just about how awful middle class life is.
Seth
00:11:46
And that's.
Seth
00:11:47
I feel like this fits perfectly into that genre.
Seth
00:11:49
I think it's.
Seth
00:11:50
I think Fight Club kind of solidified that genre.
Seth
00:11:53
I think this is better than Fight Club as far as the story that's told.
Kyle
00:11:56
Yes.
Seth
00:11:56
Also way less douchey.
Seth
00:11:58
People love this movie.
Seth
00:11:59
So.
Kyle
00:11:59
Yeah, it's a little more relatable, more realistic.
Kyle
00:12:02
Yeah.
Seth
00:12:03
Not a red flag if it's in your top 25.
Mariana
00:12:06
Did it remind either of you of the movie?
Seth
00:12:08
Beau is Afraid I haven't seen that yet.
Kyle
00:12:10
I mean, I actually haven't seen it.
Kyle
00:12:11
That's a 24, right?
Seth
00:12:12
Yeah, it's Ari Aster who did Midsummer.
Kyle
00:12:15
Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:12:15
Of course I'm going to bring it up.
Kyle
00:12:16
Of course, of course.
Kyle
00:12:17
Of course.
Mariana
00:12:18
But.
Mariana
00:12:19
Or did you watch Schenectady, New York?
Kyle
00:12:21
No.
Mariana
00:12:21
Okay.
Mariana
00:12:22
So this movie actually reminds me of a really pared down version of both of those.
Mariana
00:12:26
So I recommend those because they're kind of this, like, stream of consciousness.
Mariana
00:12:29
Like, one thing happens and then it leads to another thing, and then it leads to another thing and you're like, what's happening?
Seth
00:12:35
Yeah.
Mariana
00:12:35
You know, you're on board.
Seth
00:12:37
Well, that's something that's been a theme for a lot of the really good movies that we've been watching is a lot of them are the story unfolds.
Seth
00:12:44
You don't have Unnecessary background.
Seth
00:12:46
Sometimes you don't have any background.
Seth
00:12:48
Sometimes the entire movie takes place completely within the confines of this is the beginning, this is the end.
Seth
00:12:55
It's a straightforward narrative.
Seth
00:12:56
There's no flashbacks.
Seth
00:12:57
There's no jumping back and forth and weird timelines and shit.
Seth
00:13:01
And that tends to be some of my favorite movies, is where the story is.
Seth
00:13:04
You start with it here, and then you unfold it and there's a lot more.
Seth
00:13:07
And then you unfold it and there's a lot more, and everything just continues to happen, but you're never questioning where you're at in the story.
Seth
00:13:15
And I think this beautifully does that.
Kyle
00:13:17
Yeah.
Kyle
00:13:17
I mean, this literally takes place over the course of a day.
Seth
00:13:19
Yeah.
Kyle
00:13:20
I mean, it's just like one day in the life.
Seth
00:13:22
Like six hours almost.
Kyle
00:13:23
Yeah.
Seth
00:13:24
Yeah.
Seth
00:13:24
It's a very confined timeline.
Seth
00:13:26
I like that instead of using flashbacks, they use him watching the videotapes.
Kyle
00:13:31
I love that.
Seth
00:13:32
I think that was a really cool linear narrative mood to kind of make it feel like you're jumping outside of the typical narrative structure.
Kyle
00:13:40
I love that.
Kyle
00:13:41
Yeah, I agree.
Mariana
00:13:42
I know it's not a bottle episode, but it kind of reminded me of a bottle episode.
Seth
00:13:46
What do you mean by bottle episode?
Mariana
00:13:47
Bottle episode is like an episode of television that happens in one room with the whole cast inside.
Seth
00:13:52
Oh, okay.
Mariana
00:13:53
Like I dreamed of genie.
Mariana
00:13:54
Like, if you were just in the.
Mariana
00:13:56
The genie bottle the whole time.
Seth
00:13:57
That makes sense.
Mariana
00:13:58
Those are always my favorite movies.
Mariana
00:13:59
It's a movie that happens.
Mariana
00:14:01
It's either over the course of one day or something like that, or like a really small cast in a small situation.
Mariana
00:14:06
And those are.
Mariana
00:14:07
I used.
Mariana
00:14:07
I went through a whole few years where that's all I would watch.
Seth
00:14:10
Yeah.
Kyle
00:14:10
Interesting.
Seth
00:14:11
No, I get that.
Seth
00:14:12
I like.
Seth
00:14:12
I like them a lot, too.
Mariana
00:14:13
Yeah.
Mariana
00:14:14
So, yeah, a lot of horror movies happened in one room.
Seth
00:14:16
Yeah.
Seth
00:14:17
Yeah.
Mariana
00:14:18
Sorry.
Mariana
00:14:18
Sidetracked especially.
Kyle
00:14:20
That won the room.
Mariana
00:14:21
I'm just kidding.
Seth
00:14:23
That was a horror production, not a horror movie.
Kyle
00:14:27
Next question.
Kyle
00:14:28
Is this nerd really hard to track down this?
Seth
00:14:32
I mean, when your only description is white shirt and a tie?
Kyle
00:14:35
Yeah, I know it's not the age of the Internet.
Kyle
00:14:37
It's way before the Internet.
Kyle
00:14:38
But this guy's shooting people and breaking shit and robbing.
Kyle
00:14:42
Or not robbing, but breaking.
Kyle
00:14:43
Like, smashing up stores and.
Seth
00:14:45
I mean, he steals some shit.
Seth
00:14:46
Yeah.
Kyle
00:14:46
This dude goes.
Kyle
00:14:47
He goes unnoticed.
Kyle
00:14:48
Like, they can't find him anywhere.
Kyle
00:14:49
Is it because we got the worst cop in Robert Duvall?
Kyle
00:14:52
Pentagrass.
Kyle
00:14:53
What a horrible.
Kyle
00:14:54
I know he's retiring, but what a slouch I would hope none of my family members get murdered and he's in charge of finding out.
Kyle
00:15:01
It's like, fuck, give me a different guy.
Seth
00:15:03
I mean, he kept trying, and everyone else kept getting in his way.
Seth
00:15:05
So I wouldn't say it's his fault.
Seth
00:15:07
I'd say it's all of his other.
Seth
00:15:08
Like, the dude that he punched, I think it's partially his fau.
Kyle
00:15:11
Also, can we just talk about that guy, Bill Paxton ripoff.
Kyle
00:15:14
Was he trying to pretend to be Bill Paxton from Predator 2?
Kyle
00:15:18
Aliens?
Kyle
00:15:18
He was literally, like, every.
Kyle
00:15:20
Like, really, like, a True Lies.
Kyle
00:15:22
You know, Bill Paxton used to, like.
Kyle
00:15:24
He eventually became, like, a very, like, refined actor.
Kyle
00:15:27
Like, frailty.
Seth
00:15:28
Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:28
But he had an archetype in the late 80s, early 90s where he was like, the really?
Kyle
00:15:32
Like, whoa.
Kyle
00:15:35
Every movie over, man.
Seth
00:15:37
Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:37
Yes.
Kyle
00:15:38
And then Predator 2, it was like, all right, let's dance.
Kyle
00:15:41
You know, this is like.
Kyle
00:15:42
He's like.
Seth
00:15:43
I think when he got Apollo 13 is when he started changing and was like, oh, no, I could be, like, a serious actor.
Kyle
00:15:48
Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:49
And then Tombstone.
Kyle
00:15:50
Yeah.
Kyle
00:15:50
Like, he finally was like, okay, I can finally act.
Kyle
00:15:52
But, yeah, this guy is like.
Mariana
00:15:54
He.
Kyle
00:15:54
He's like, if.
Kyle
00:15:55
If.
Kyle
00:15:56
If.
Kyle
00:15:56
This is gonna sound so stupid.
Kyle
00:15:58
If Bill Paxton was a latte, this guy is just the foam.
Seth
00:16:02
Yeah, He's.
Kyle
00:16:03
He's the worst chair couture.
Kyle
00:16:05
He's like, Bill Paxton.
Kyle
00:16:06
Light discount.
Kyle
00:16:07
Bill Paxton.
Seth
00:16:08
Yeah.
Mariana
00:16:08
Diet.
Seth
00:16:09
Not even from Dollar General.
Seth
00:16:10
Like, Dollar Tree.
Kyle
00:16:12
Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:12
What is this guy doing?
Kyle
00:16:14
Made you cake.
Kyle
00:16:15
What's going on?
Kyle
00:16:16
Pet grass is your last day.
Kyle
00:16:18
It's like, do you talk normal ever?
Kyle
00:16:20
Is this, like, when someone calls you?
Kyle
00:16:21
It's like, hey, your mom did.
Kyle
00:16:22
Oh, no.
Kyle
00:16:23
Oh, my Bill Paxton impression.
Kyle
00:16:28
Horrible.
Kyle
00:16:29
Of course it was 93.
Seth
00:16:31
Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:31
I mean, and if you had, like, a detective movie, maybe they just felt like they.
Kyle
00:16:34
We couldn't get Bill Paxton, so, like, we got a mannequin version.
Seth
00:16:37
What's funny to me is I would guarantee you he acted different on set than he did when he did the ADR, because up until maybe 15 years ago, 95% of the dialogue in almost every single movie was ADR.
Seth
00:16:52
And a lot of directors would call that their second shot at acting in the movie.
Seth
00:16:56
And I feel like a lot of actors, especially in that era of, like, the 80s through the 90s, tended to overact their second try for it.
Kyle
00:17:05
Yeah.
Seth
00:17:06
So I have a feeling that he.
Seth
00:17:07
He.
Seth
00:17:08
You know, mannerisms were still big, but I have a very strong feeling that he was a little different on set than he was when he finally Got in the recording booth.
Kyle
00:17:15
Yes.
Kyle
00:17:15
Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
00:17:16
You'd have to be.
Kyle
00:17:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:17:19
Rando, rando, randos.
Kyle
00:17:22
Yes, you did.
Kyle
00:17:23
It feels good, right?
Kyle
00:17:29
It got weird.
Kyle
00:17:30
I like it.
Kyle
00:17:31
What do you think about that?
Kyle
00:17:32
Harrison Ford just staring at me.
Kyle
00:17:34
This.
Kyle
00:17:35
This film didn't go without protest, so the LA Times wrote seven hit pieces attacking this film.
Kyle
00:17:40
Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:41
Because.
Kyle
00:17:41
Because the actual defense workers that were protesting after they were laid off were.
Kyle
00:17:45
They felt that it portrayed them in a negative light.
Kyle
00:17:48
Oh, really?
Mariana
00:17:49
He was a hero to me.
Kyle
00:17:50
Yeah, totally.
Kyle
00:17:51
He's killing Nazis and.
Kyle
00:17:53
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:17:54
And then also.
Kyle
00:17:54
But it also attracted a lot of protests from the Korean grocer associations of la.
Mariana
00:17:59
But that was such a short amount of the film.
Kyle
00:18:02
And, like, they were pissed, though.
Mariana
00:18:04
I get it.
Mariana
00:18:04
I mean, it's not like this best moment.
Mariana
00:18:07
And, like, that's not the reason he.
Seth
00:18:08
Still paid for the coke.
Kyle
00:18:10
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:10
Yeah.
Mariana
00:18:10
Well, that was what was so funny, when the cops just like, wait, he.
Mariana
00:18:13
So he.
Mariana
00:18:14
He paid?
Seth
00:18:15
Yeah.
Seth
00:18:15
You.
Mariana
00:18:16
He didn't steal anything.
Mariana
00:18:18
He's like, yeah, he just beat stuff up in my store.
Mariana
00:18:22
That costs a lot.
Mariana
00:18:23
I mean, it is a crime.
Kyle
00:18:24
Yeah.
Seth
00:18:25
Vandalism.
Mariana
00:18:25
Not anymore, though.
Seth
00:18:27
Yeah.
Seth
00:18:27
At least in la.
Mariana
00:18:28
Yeah.
Mariana
00:18:28
No, I mean, I think you can just do that now.
Mariana
00:18:30
And I don't think anybody's going to put you in jail.
Mariana
00:18:33
I mean, my car got stolen and nothing happened, of course.
Mariana
00:18:35
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:36
Oh, really?
Mariana
00:18:36
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:37
Oh, wow.
Mariana
00:18:37
It got stolen on Christmas Day last year, and then it was gone for six months.
Mariana
00:18:41
They found it that day.
Mariana
00:18:43
News flash.
Mariana
00:18:44
Nothing happens if you're under 18 and you steal a car.
Mariana
00:18:47
I shouldn't be telling anybody that.
Mariana
00:18:49
If I stole a car, I'd be in jail.
Kyle
00:18:50
Was this in Nashville?
Mariana
00:18:51
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:52
Where'd it get stolen from?
Mariana
00:18:54
My house.
Kyle
00:18:54
Oh, wow.
Seth
00:18:55
Damn.
Kyle
00:18:55
Damn.
Mariana
00:18:56
It's okay.
Kyle
00:18:57
I was kind of hoping he said Lowe's.
Mariana
00:18:59
No, they stole a bunch from Lowe's, too.
Mariana
00:19:01
But that's why I was thinking.
Mariana
00:19:02
I'm like, well, you know, at least this guy's just.
Mariana
00:19:04
I mean, he didn't get.
Mariana
00:19:05
I don't think he got hurt.
Mariana
00:19:06
I don't think he beat him up.
Mariana
00:19:07
No, Douglas.
Seth
00:19:08
He pushed him down, but he didn't push him down.
Mariana
00:19:10
But then he just beat up the stuff in his store.
Mariana
00:19:12
So I was like, I don't even know if that's a crime.
Kyle
00:19:14
Did y'all laugh when I.
Kyle
00:19:15
When he was Talking about how 85 cents was too much for a Coke?
Seth
00:19:18
Yes.
Kyle
00:19:18
I was like, damn.
Seth
00:19:19
And he's right.
Mariana
00:19:20
In LA, it's still too much for a Coke.
Kyle
00:19:23
Yeah.
Seth
00:19:24
50 cents.
Seth
00:19:25
That's the good place.
Mariana
00:19:26
Yeah.
Kyle
00:19:26
Yeah, it really is.
Seth
00:19:27
Bring it back.
Seth
00:19:28
Coke, 50 cents.
Mariana
00:19:29
Yeah, well, don't.
Mariana
00:19:30
I mean, I'm not.
Mariana
00:19:31
Take the poison out.
Mariana
00:19:34
I can't have Coke.
Mariana
00:19:35
It gives me migraines.
Kyle
00:19:37
Yeah, I don't drink.
Kyle
00:19:37
I don't drink that shit.
Kyle
00:19:38
Yeah, I drink bourbon.
Seth
00:19:42
I drink actual poison.
Kyle
00:19:44
Actual poison.
Mariana
00:19:45
That's safe poison, so.
Kyle
00:19:46
Makes my liver weep.
Kyle
00:19:49
It's hard to imagine anyone but Michael Douglas playing this role.
Kyle
00:19:52
Yeah, I love that.
Kyle
00:19:54
His name is Bill Foster, but in the credits, his name is Defense.
Kyle
00:19:56
Yeah, I love that.
Kyle
00:19:58
Yeah.
Kyle
00:19:58
And that's his license plate, like, so.
Kyle
00:20:00
Well done.
Seth
00:20:00
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:01
But there was a ton of names attached to this before Douglas was attached to it, so this is crazy.
Kyle
00:20:06
Harrison Ford, Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Robert De Niro, Robin Williams, and Jeff Bridges.
Seth
00:20:11
So in my opinion, as great as the job as he did, every single one of them other than Jeff Bridges, I could see in that role.
Kyle
00:20:17
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:18
So he's always the dude to me.
Seth
00:20:19
Yeah.
Seth
00:20:20
Well, for me, he's always Flynn from Tron.
Kyle
00:20:23
Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:20:24
Oh, yeah, Good point.
Seth
00:20:25
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:25
He's always Rooster from True Grit to me.
Kyle
00:20:27
What is he to you?
Mariana
00:20:28
He's the old man from the old man.
Kyle
00:20:31
He's always the old man.
Seth
00:20:33
But other than him, I easily could have said seen any of them playing that role.
Kyle
00:20:37
Yeah.
Seth
00:20:37
So, I mean, it makes sense.
Seth
00:20:38
But I do think ultimately they nailed it with him.
Mariana
00:20:41
Robin Williams would have been a fun choice, though.
Mariana
00:20:43
I always love him in Serious Stuff.
Seth
00:20:45
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:46
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:46
After.
Kyle
00:20:47
After I saw him in Insomnia with Al Pacino, I always was like, I want to see Robin Williams.
Kyle
00:20:52
And then phone.
Kyle
00:20:52
What is it, One hour photo.
Mariana
00:20:54
Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:20:55
His.
Seth
00:20:55
His final movie was actually filmed here, and it was a drama.
Kyle
00:20:58
Really?
Mariana
00:20:59
Yeah.
Seth
00:21:00
Y'all keep talking and I'll find out.
Mariana
00:21:01
Okay.
Mariana
00:21:02
I love Robin.
Mariana
00:21:03
I could see all of those people doing this in a different way.
Mariana
00:21:06
But, you know, this is Michael Douglas's favorite film he ever did.
Kyle
00:21:10
Yeah, that's my next rando.
Kyle
00:21:11
Go ahead.
Seth
00:21:11
Oh, please.
Mariana
00:21:12
Maybe I read it on your paper, but I also read the Wikipedia, but.
Mariana
00:21:16
And Kirk Douglas's favorite movie of his, which I think is really interesting because it's such a low key, weird movie.
Kyle
00:21:23
Yeah.
Seth
00:21:24
Boulevard, that was Robin Williams last movie that he filmed.
Seth
00:21:26
It wasn't the last one that came out, but it was the last one he was on set for.
Kyle
00:21:29
Interesting.
Seth
00:21:29
And that was shot here and premiered at the Nashville Film Festival.
Kyle
00:21:32
Huh.
Seth
00:21:33
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:33
I wonder what.
Kyle
00:21:34
What part of Nashville All Over.
Kyle
00:21:36
Really?
Seth
00:21:36
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:37
That's awesome.
Kyle
00:21:38
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:39
And so that's I love that.
Kyle
00:21:40
That this is.
Kyle
00:21:41
You know, and he has so many iconic characters.
Kyle
00:21:43
Gordon Gekko.
Kyle
00:21:45
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:45
And then Basic Instinct and all that stuff.
Kyle
00:21:47
Like.
Kyle
00:21:48
And then he goes and does this.
Mariana
00:21:49
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:21:51
And so back to the haircut.
Kyle
00:21:53
Like, he was really reluctant because that was kind of his look.
Kyle
00:21:55
And he even had it.
Kyle
00:21:56
When you see him accepting the Oscar for One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, he has this long hair, and he was really.
Kyle
00:22:00
He really didn't want to cut it.
Kyle
00:22:01
But Schumacher, his hairdresser, said this guy needs to, like, have a militant.
Seth
00:22:05
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:06
50S haircut.
Seth
00:22:07
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:08
He needs.
Kyle
00:22:08
The goal was.
Kyle
00:22:09
And this is what Schumacher says.
Kyle
00:22:10
He needed to look like he was transported from a different time.
Seth
00:22:13
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:14
He needed to look like he was from the 1950s.
Mariana
00:22:16
Yeah, he.
Mariana
00:22:17
And he did.
Mariana
00:22:18
That was.
Mariana
00:22:18
That really sold it.
Seth
00:22:19
I mean, that.
Seth
00:22:20
Especially on screen, that kind of was the.
Seth
00:22:23
The portrayal of, like, the nerd archetype at that time was still stuck in the 50s, stuck in the 60s with the.
Seth
00:22:30
The pocket protector and the glasses and.
Seth
00:22:32
Yeah.
Seth
00:22:32
The military kind of haircut.
Seth
00:22:34
So that makes a lot of sense.
Kyle
00:22:35
Yeah.
Seth
00:22:35
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:36
And then lastly, this was.
Kyle
00:22:37
I kind of referenced this earlier, but this was based on the real events going on with the layoff.
Kyle
00:22:42
So the screenwriter that originally wrote it wrote it based on the.
Kyle
00:22:45
The layoffs that were happening with these defense workers that were kind of left over from the Cold War.
Kyle
00:22:50
So the screenwriter also wrote it based on.
Kyle
00:22:53
There was apparently this trucker that got angry.
Mariana
00:22:55
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:55
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:56
You read about this.
Kyle
00:22:56
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:57
Got angry and started ramming cars off the highway.
Seth
00:23:00
Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:23:01
And.
Kyle
00:23:01
And, like, was thinking, like, even though obviously that's not happening here.
Seth
00:23:04
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:04
But he was thinking, like, this is, like, a person that all of a sudden, the rules don't apply.
Seth
00:23:08
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:09
And, like.
Kyle
00:23:10
And so that's what.
Kyle
00:23:11
So between that and the defense worker thing, that's where the wheels got turning for this.
Seth
00:23:14
Amazing.
Mariana
00:23:15
How does that not happen more, though?
Mariana
00:23:16
If I was an.
Mariana
00:23:17
If I drove a truck for a living, I don't know how those.
Mariana
00:23:20
They stay not crazy.
Seth
00:23:22
Somehow the social contract is strong enough that we've just decided not to run everybody off the road.
Kyle
00:23:27
Not.
Mariana
00:23:28
Not with me.
Mariana
00:23:28
I'd be a bad truck driver.
Mariana
00:23:30
I always feel like that is like one of those jobs where I'm like, well, thank God you're doing it, not me.
Kyle
00:23:36
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:36
And we're seeing.
Kyle
00:23:37
I mean, we are seeing it kind of the social contract falling apart.
Seth
00:23:40
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:41
All over the place.
Mariana
00:23:42
Well, I was thinking.
Mariana
00:23:43
I'm like, it's a good thing this movie didn't Just come out.
Mariana
00:23:45
Because people would be like this.
Seth
00:23:49
Yeah.
Mariana
00:23:50
Like, I mean, there's only a few things in my life keeping me from losing my shit all the time.
Seth
00:23:56
Absolutely.
Mariana
00:23:57
If I didn't like own a house or, you know.
Seth
00:23:59
Thank God for weed.
Mariana
00:24:01
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:24:03
Thank God for coffee.
Seth
00:24:04
Yeah.
Mariana
00:24:05
Coffee and weed.
Kyle
00:24:06
Coffee, yeah.
Kyle
00:24:07
If this, if they were to remake this today, would he be like a content moderator from Meta or something?
Kyle
00:24:12
Like, I keep you all safe because you don't see the car accidents with the brains exploding.
Mariana
00:24:16
Yeah.
Mariana
00:24:17
No, seriously, I used to work at TikTok and the content moderators have the most insane sense of humor because, like, oh, I'm sure their job's horrible and they're underpaid.
Seth
00:24:27
It's, it's a.
Seth
00:24:28
I mean, some of them literally have to find child porn to take it down.
Seth
00:24:31
Like, how, how messed up would you.
Mariana
00:24:33
Be all day though?
Kyle
00:24:36
Yeah, yeah.
Seth
00:24:37
Eight hours every single day.
Mariana
00:24:40
So.
Kyle
00:24:41
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:41
And one thing that kind of jogged loose, like, and this is not ahead earlier, but one thing, I think I'm obsessed with this site.
Kyle
00:24:47
Like you guys ever have like ideas that you're obsessed with and you always look for in movies and art, you're always like, oh, I like one thing that stuck with me.
Kyle
00:24:53
Taxi Drivers.
Kyle
00:24:54
My second favorite movie of all time.
Kyle
00:24:56
And one thing I always take from that movie is like you.
Kyle
00:24:59
You saying Social Contract is what knocked this loose in my mind.
Kyle
00:25:02
Like, obviously Pickle trying to kill a politician was horrible.
Seth
00:25:06
Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:07
Pickle killing a pimp that pimps out a 12 year old girl is good.
Seth
00:25:11
Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:12
But it's like same guy.
Seth
00:25:13
Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:14
So it's like we have these sliding scales of evil and it's moral relativity is what it is.
Kyle
00:25:19
But it's like the thing about this is it's the same thing.
Kyle
00:25:21
It's not the same movie as Taxi Driver, but it's the same concept.
Kyle
00:25:24
It's like horrible.
Kyle
00:25:25
The things he's doing to the Korean grocer.
Seth
00:25:27
Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:27
Kills a Nazi.
Kyle
00:25:28
Okay.
Seth
00:25:29
It's like kind of okay with it.
Kyle
00:25:30
And I'm just.
Kyle
00:25:31
It.
Kyle
00:25:31
I love movies that make me think, like, what am I willing to accept, you know, if, if a good thing is done by a bad person.
Seth
00:25:38
Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:39
It's like, well, what's the level we're willing to accept?
Kyle
00:25:41
And that's the Taxi Driver.
Kyle
00:25:42
That's the movie that, that's the main question the Taxi Driver asks, you know, of Bickle, because he's unstable.
Kyle
00:25:47
You don't want him out there in the population.
Kyle
00:25:48
Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:48
I killed a pimp though.
Kyle
00:25:50
You know, turn a 12 year old girl into a sex lady.
Kyle
00:25:52
We'll kill him.
Kyle
00:25:53
That's good.
Kyle
00:25:53
But no more politicians.
Seth
00:25:55
The problem is, especially in falling down, is like, you can tell he's not doing it for any moral code at all.
Seth
00:26:03
He is literally doing it.
Seth
00:26:05
He wouldn't have touched the Nazi guy if he hadn't have kept going.
Seth
00:26:09
If he had just shut up would have been fine.
Seth
00:26:11
He would have let him live.
Seth
00:26:12
But then it was because he got in his way.
Seth
00:26:15
That's the only reason.
Seth
00:26:16
The only reason he took out that gang banger was because he got in his way.
Seth
00:26:20
That's it.
Seth
00:26:21
So it's like, yeah, it's hard to as sympathetic as you feel when he does like kill a fucking Nazi at the same time.
Seth
00:26:27
You're like, but he wasn't going to.
Kyle
00:26:30
Yeah.
Mariana
00:26:31
Yeah.
Seth
00:26:31
So it's an interesting juxtaposition.
Mariana
00:26:34
My favorite part of the whole movie is when he's like, I'm the bad guy.
Kyle
00:26:38
Yes.
Mariana
00:26:38
And I'm like, I feel so much for him then.
Mariana
00:26:41
Because I'm like, exactly.
Mariana
00:26:42
That's how I feel all the time.
Mariana
00:26:44
And I go down these rabbit holes and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm.
Mariana
00:26:48
I'm a bad person now.
Mariana
00:26:50
And it's just like.
Mariana
00:26:51
No, it's just stuff keeps happening to you and you react and it just gets to there at some point for everybody.
Kyle
00:26:57
And that going back to the haircut rando about like he had to look like he was from the 50s.
Kyle
00:27:01
Like, society changes around us and like, I know I'm only 37, but like, you know, I do have four kids and I feel really old sometimes because I'm just tired all the time.
Kyle
00:27:09
And like, I have all these interests that I'm also doing at the same time with comedy and podcasts.
Kyle
00:27:13
Like, I'm just very tired.
Seth
00:27:14
Yeah.
Kyle
00:27:15
And sometimes I look out the window, I'm just like, man, the world is just moving regardless.
Kyle
00:27:19
Yeah, it's just like.
Kyle
00:27:20
And it's transforming faster than ever.
Kyle
00:27:22
And like the thing that, that works today and the thing that's funny today or the thing that's not funny today, like, tomorrow is a different day.
Kyle
00:27:29
And this guy, that's the question he's posing.
Kyle
00:27:32
And obviously he's a bad dude, but he is posing a real question, which is this world has moved on.
Kyle
00:27:36
We're not in the Cold War anymore.
Kyle
00:27:37
I'm not needed anymore.
Kyle
00:27:39
And all of a sudden he's this old statue in a different world.
Kyle
00:27:43
And so that is a real question we have to ask ourselves, especially in a techn.
Kyle
00:27:46
Like, if this was made now it's like this world moves so fast.
Seth
00:27:49
Yeah.
Kyle
00:27:50
Yeah.
Mariana
00:27:50
And it's to no fault of his own either.
Mariana
00:27:52
That's the other thing is, like, he was probably good at what he did.
Seth
00:27:55
Yeah.
Mariana
00:27:55
And then at that point, it's like there's no.
Mariana
00:27:56
Indeed.
Mariana
00:27:57
There's no.
Mariana
00:27:58
Like, he.
Mariana
00:27:58
This is what he did.
Mariana
00:27:59
He was trained for this.
Mariana
00:28:00
He did this for how long?
Mariana
00:28:02
Then what do you do?
Seth
00:28:03
Yeah.
Mariana
00:28:03
And it's like you should just kind of be able to retire at that point.
Mariana
00:28:05
But nobody can do that in the middle class.
Mariana
00:28:08
I mean, for.
Mariana
00:28:08
For ages, that has not been a.
Mariana
00:28:10
A thing people have been able to do.
Seth
00:28:12
Yeah.
Mariana
00:28:12
So I get it, man.
Mariana
00:28:14
I want to.
Mariana
00:28:15
I almost snapped watching the movie.
Kyle
00:28:16
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:28:17
When yourself got yourself a breakfast sandwich.
Mariana
00:28:19
I know.
Seth
00:28:20
I feel like if it was made today, it wouldn't be a meta guy.
Seth
00:28:23
It would be someone who got fired from, like, MySpace right before.
Mariana
00:28:27
Yeah, that's a good point.
Mariana
00:28:30
Well, but I guess then you could still pivot because you're in, like, you know, social media of some sort, I guess.
Seth
00:28:36
But like, for me, it's like when you look at what MySpace was and how different all the other social medias had become from that, it still would be like that antiquated way of looking at.
Seth
00:28:46
So, you know, it'd be like coming into a political campaign and being like, we need to get those newspaper ads out there.
Seth
00:28:52
It's like, yeah, you could pivot, but if you're so specialized on one part of the process, it'd be hard to jump outside of that.
Mariana
00:28:58
Can we just say, I wish MySpace would come back?
Seth
00:29:01
Just.
Seth
00:29:02
Timberlake owns it, so.
Mariana
00:29:03
Justin Timberlake.
Mariana
00:29:04
You used to be my old roommate's boss.
Mariana
00:29:07
Because he was on.
Mariana
00:29:08
He was your sound guy.
Mariana
00:29:10
Please make MySpace a thing.
Mariana
00:29:11
Why does he not do something with it?
Seth
00:29:14
I was hallmates with his little brother.
Mariana
00:29:16
I don't know.
Mariana
00:29:17
Hallmates?
Seth
00:29:18
Yeah, we were on the same floor.
Mariana
00:29:20
Okay.
Mariana
00:29:20
I was like, this must be a fancy college thing.
Mariana
00:29:23
I don't know.
Kyle
00:29:24
I was.
Seth
00:29:24
We lived in the Great Hall.
Mariana
00:29:26
We lived in the Great Hall.
Kyle
00:29:29
I was Timberlake's bartender the night he got his dui.
Kyle
00:29:35
I just don't have a Timberlake story.
Seth
00:29:37
He goes to the Hamptons once a year to bar tend.
Seth
00:29:39
One time.
Kyle
00:29:40
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:29:41
I get him drunk off his ass and he drives a Yukon through a bunch of pedestrians.
Mariana
00:29:44
Oh, my God.
Mariana
00:29:46
Yeah.
Seth
00:29:46
The world tour.
Kyle
00:29:47
Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:48
Side note, we have a lot of tangents here, but if you're that rich and drunk, why are you still driving?
Kyle
00:29:53
You shouldn't be Driving.
Kyle
00:29:54
Anyway, you're rich and drunk.
Seth
00:29:55
Yeah.
Mariana
00:29:56
Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:56
Anyway, celebrities never listen to me.
Kyle
00:30:00
Shall we fall down?
Seth
00:30:02
Yeah, let's do.
Kyle
00:30:03
Shall we get a water gun?
Kyle
00:30:04
Shall we go to the.
Kyle
00:30:05
Shall we get a whammy burger?
Seth
00:30:06
There we go.
Kyle
00:30:07
Let's.
Kyle
00:30:08
Let's warm for positive.
Kyle
00:30:10
Affirmative.
Kyle
00:30:11
Yes, we love it.
Kyle
00:30:12
Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:30:13
And if it wasn't good, we didn't like.
Kyle
00:30:15
I hated it falling down.
Kyle
00:30:16
It fall.
Kyle
00:30:16
It falls down.
Kyle
00:30:17
So I like the way I'm obsessed with the whammy burger.
Kyle
00:30:20
The word whammy top.
Kyle
00:30:23
Bill Cass, Michael Douglas and Robert Duvall.
Seth
00:30:26
Two powerhouses of post 70s acting.
Seth
00:30:31
Like, they're just both incredible.
Seth
00:30:33
Both killed their roles perfectly.
Seth
00:30:35
That final confrontation scene is masterful.
Seth
00:30:39
Like, that was.
Seth
00:30:40
Not only was it just well filmed, but it was well directed.
Seth
00:30:43
And the two of them, you just felt like you were watching this happen on the news.
Kyle
00:30:48
Yeah.
Seth
00:30:48
Like you didn't feel like you were watching a movie.
Seth
00:30:50
You felt like some guy was there with a camera.
Seth
00:30:53
Just watching two guys have a showdown.
Seth
00:30:55
Insane.
Seth
00:30:56
Definitely.
Seth
00:30:57
Whammy burger for me.
Kyle
00:30:58
Love it.
Mariana
00:30:59
Yeah.
Mariana
00:30:59
Also a whammy burger.
Mariana
00:31:01
I just feel like, like you said, I'm just like, these are just two guys.
Mariana
00:31:04
This is just a cop and a guy that snapped.
Mariana
00:31:07
And I just feel like I'm in this microcosm of world.
Mariana
00:31:10
Like, what are they gonna do next?
Mariana
00:31:12
I can't remember any of the other things Robert Duvall was in, except that I know I've seen him a million times.
Mariana
00:31:18
He's just been in too many movies.
Seth
00:31:20
Have you seen Newsies?
Mariana
00:31:21
No.
Seth
00:31:22
Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:31:22
He's William Randolph Hearst in that one.
Mariana
00:31:24
Okay.
Mariana
00:31:26
I would have remembered that.
Kyle
00:31:27
Probably what I said, William.
Kyle
00:31:29
I'm being dumb.
Kyle
00:31:29
Sorry.
Kyle
00:31:30
Please continue with your great thought.
Kyle
00:31:32
That's not.
Kyle
00:31:33
I'm not.
Mariana
00:31:33
Not a great thought.
Mariana
00:31:34
I just liked them.
Mariana
00:31:36
I just liked him.
Seth
00:31:37
No, he's great.
Mariana
00:31:38
Whammy.
Kyle
00:31:38
Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:31:39
I go whammy burger, too.
Kyle
00:31:41
I think it's very understated, too, the.
Kyle
00:31:42
The.
Kyle
00:31:43
The ending, confrontation.
Kyle
00:31:44
Because it's the same.
Kyle
00:31:45
It's the same scenario.
Kyle
00:31:47
We find ourselves in, like, heat.
Seth
00:31:48
Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:49
Two sides.
Kyle
00:31:49
It's a very popular mechanism in film, especially with.
Kyle
00:31:52
When it's like detective, mystery type films.
Kyle
00:31:54
It's like two.
Kyle
00:31:55
Oftentimes the protagonist and antagonists are interchangeable.
Kyle
00:31:59
They're two sides of the same coin.
Kyle
00:32:00
They just happen to be on different paths.
Kyle
00:32:02
You don't really realize it till the end.
Kyle
00:32:03
But Duvall is a man who hasn't been faced with a lot of challenges since he got off.
Kyle
00:32:07
He's become a Desk jockey.
Kyle
00:32:09
And all of a sudden, he's on his last day of retirement and he feels the calling, and, like, he finds himself at this crossroads.
Kyle
00:32:14
They're both at their moment.
Seth
00:32:15
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:16
You know, and I think I love how they both deliver it.
Kyle
00:32:18
Duvall is a guy that I just like, you know, because Apocalypse now is, like, a top 10 movie for me.
Kyle
00:32:22
I'm obsessed, and I've studied that movie like crazy.
Kyle
00:32:25
It's just so crazy seeing him still act in these later movies.
Kyle
00:32:28
After being in the Godfather, after being in Apocalypse now, like, there's just.
Mariana
00:32:31
This is what I mean.
Mariana
00:32:32
He's in everything.
Seth
00:32:32
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:33
There's just so much greatness.
Kyle
00:32:35
I actually, his.
Kyle
00:32:35
What is that movie?
Kyle
00:32:36
The Disciple that came out or the Apostle.
Kyle
00:32:39
Sorry, the Apostle.
Kyle
00:32:40
Yeah, he's in.
Seth
00:32:41
He's in the Apostle.
Kyle
00:32:42
Yeah.
Seth
00:32:43
With Michael Sheen, there's.
Kyle
00:32:44
I think there's two apostles.
Seth
00:32:46
Okay.
Kyle
00:32:46
He plays a.
Kyle
00:32:47
He plays a.
Kyle
00:32:48
Like a pastor that murders somebody and becomes a preacher in a different town.
Kyle
00:32:51
Like, he was a preacher where he came from.
Seth
00:32:52
Very different movie.
Kyle
00:32:54
Yeah, there's a ton.
Kyle
00:32:55
There's, like, a whole bunch of apostle movies out there, right?
Kyle
00:32:58
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:32:59
There's one called Apostle Paul.
Mariana
00:33:01
Apostle Now.
Seth
00:33:02
Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:02
Apostle Lives Now.
Seth
00:33:05
Oh, that's the second coming.
Kyle
00:33:07
Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:09
Well done.
Kyle
00:33:10
To be a comedian.
Seth
00:33:11
Oh.
Kyle
00:33:11
Oh, that's an idea.
Kyle
00:33:13
But I do love that final showdown.
Kyle
00:33:15
And I think Douglas, he has such a.
Kyle
00:33:18
It's.
Kyle
00:33:18
It's funny to see him tamper down here because he.
Kyle
00:33:20
He always.
Kyle
00:33:21
He always has so much bravado.
Seth
00:33:23
Oh, yeah.
Kyle
00:33:23
But here he's broken down, but he's still snarky.
Kyle
00:33:26
Yeah, he's got that snark, and you can't really get rid of it, and it works.
Kyle
00:33:29
Like I.
Kyle
00:33:30
The scene you pointed out, like, I'm the bad guy.
Kyle
00:33:32
And then when he realizes when they're at the mansion with the pool and the family and, like, he's like, having these real life.
Kyle
00:33:38
Those moments are where he's brilliant, where he's, like, all of a sudden being faced with himself and he doesn't ever question himself.
Kyle
00:33:44
But these two very specific, specific scenes with the pool and the family and then the Nazi, where all of a sudden he's, like, being faced with this.
Kyle
00:33:51
Like, how could I?
Kyle
00:33:52
I was wrong.
Seth
00:33:53
Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:53
You know, I'm a man of a different era, and so it's.
Kyle
00:33:56
It's.
Kyle
00:33:56
The times did this to me.
Kyle
00:33:58
And I think Douglas really plays it off.
Seth
00:34:00
Yeah.
Kyle
00:34:00
Yeah.
Seth
00:34:00
Well, I feel like throughout the whole movie, he tries to balance doing something shitty with doing the right thing.
Seth
00:34:08
So it's like in the.
Seth
00:34:09
In the convenience store scene.
Seth
00:34:11
Yeah.
Seth
00:34:11
He destroys the entire store, but he still pays for the coke.
Seth
00:34:15
In the scene where he's.
Seth
00:34:16
He.
Seth
00:34:16
Yeah.
Seth
00:34:16
Runs into the pool house.
Seth
00:34:18
He's running away from the cops after he's done some horrific shit.
Seth
00:34:21
But he's like, oh, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to hurt you guys.
Seth
00:34:24
Like, you guys are totally fine.
Seth
00:34:25
You have nothing to do with this.
Seth
00:34:26
Like, every time something happens, he tries to do something good to, like, make up for the shitty thing that he just did.
Kyle
00:34:32
Yeah.
Mariana
00:34:33
I love how he's always like, wait, you think I'm a thief?
Seth
00:34:36
Yeah.
Mariana
00:34:37
You think I'm going to hurt you?
Mariana
00:34:39
And he's, like, waving around a gun and he's just like, yeah, this guy's really snapped.
Seth
00:34:43
Shoots the ceiling.
Seth
00:34:44
Whoa.
Seth
00:34:44
That was an accident.
Mariana
00:34:45
I know.
Mariana
00:34:46
That was great.
Mariana
00:34:47
That's how I would have a gun, honestly.
Seth
00:34:49
Yeah.
Mariana
00:34:50
I also like that the two main characters have, like, a very similar weird story, especially with the daughter.
Mariana
00:34:56
Like, he does have a daughter, but he lost her.
Mariana
00:34:58
And he did have a daughter, and he lost her.
Mariana
00:35:00
And it's just like, you could have been the same person.
Kyle
00:35:03
Yeah.
Mariana
00:35:03
If you'd taken a different road.
Mariana
00:35:06
And I just think, like, you know, this was back in the time when there just weren't a lot of options.
Seth
00:35:09
Yeah.
Mariana
00:35:10
I mean, he lived in la, sure.
Mariana
00:35:11
But, like, it's not like you can just do anything.
Mariana
00:35:15
I mean, that's like a lie they tell you when you kid.
Kyle
00:35:17
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:17
And they did.
Seth
00:35:18
Literally.
Kyle
00:35:18
And both of them.
Kyle
00:35:19
Society is done with them.
Kyle
00:35:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Mariana
00:35:21
And it's not their choice.
Seth
00:35:23
Yeah.
Mariana
00:35:23
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:23
He can make mattresses.
Kyle
00:35:25
I was thinking.
Kyle
00:35:25
I'm just thinking of all the things a defense and a defense guy could engineer.
Kyle
00:35:28
I mean, sure, they could build something.
Seth
00:35:30
Brakes, maybe.
Kyle
00:35:31
Yeah, Maybe could build some brakes.
Kyle
00:35:33
We need more breaks.
Mariana
00:35:35
I got new brakes yesterday, so.
Seth
00:35:36
There you go.
Mariana
00:35:37
They're still around.
Kyle
00:35:38
Yes.
Kyle
00:35:39
You made it here.
Mariana
00:35:40
I did.
Kyle
00:35:40
You made it here and your car didn't get stolen.
Mariana
00:35:42
I know.
Mariana
00:35:42
I was gonna say they were 80, worn down.
Seth
00:35:45
Oh, wow.
Kyle
00:35:46
All right.
Kyle
00:35:47
One to zero.
Kyle
00:35:47
Whammy Burger.
Kyle
00:35:48
Supporting cast.
Kyle
00:35:49
And we got a lot of people to go through.
Kyle
00:35:50
Yes.
Mariana
00:35:51
Tuesday.
Kyle
00:35:51
Tuesday Weld as Mrs.
Kyle
00:35:54
Pentagrast, Barbara Hershey as Beth, and Rachel to Cotton, who was also.
Kyle
00:35:58
She played Sandra, but amazing in Total Recall, opposite of Arnold.
Kyle
00:36:02
Oh.
Kyle
00:36:02
Lois Smith, who is from Twister.
Kyle
00:36:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:36:07
What's her name?
Kyle
00:36:08
What?
Kyle
00:36:08
Aunt.
Kyle
00:36:08
Aunt.
Kyle
00:36:09
What was her name?
Kyle
00:36:09
And Twister.
Kyle
00:36:10
She's so.
Kyle
00:36:11
She's so amazing in Twister.
Seth
00:36:12
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:14
The big.
Seth
00:36:14
The best steak and eggs I've ever seen in my life.
Kyle
00:36:16
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:18
Was that your cow?
Kyle
00:36:20
And then from there it kind of.
Kyle
00:36:22
I will call this out.
Kyle
00:36:23
Captain Yardley, who was a complete dick.
Kyle
00:36:25
Raymond.
Kyle
00:36:25
Raymond J.
Kyle
00:36:26
Barry.
Seth
00:36:26
Yeah.
Mariana
00:36:27
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:27
Oh, and the guy that thinks he's Bill Paxton, D.W.
Kyle
00:36:29
moffitt is detective Lydecker.
Mariana
00:36:32
Great.
Kyle
00:36:32
Lydekker.
Kyle
00:36:33
Sorry.
Kyle
00:36:34
It's hard.
Kyle
00:36:34
It's hard to read and say it's Lydekker, but I said Lydecker.
Kyle
00:36:37
Yeah, it sounds like a, like an accusation of abuse.
Kyle
00:36:40
Lydecker.
Seth
00:36:41
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:42
Okay.
Kyle
00:36:42
Sorry.
Kyle
00:36:44
Supported cast.
Seth
00:36:46
I'm kind of 50, 50 on them.
Seth
00:36:48
Like some of them were the perfect caricature of who they were representing.
Seth
00:36:54
And then others, the Nazi guy I would put in that category.
Seth
00:36:58
I definitely, I definitely thought he was Dice Clay when I, for.
Seth
00:37:01
When I first saw him pop up on screen, the way he was acting.
Kyle
00:37:03
Frederick Forest.
Seth
00:37:04
Yeah.
Seth
00:37:05
Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:05
He looks exact.
Kyle
00:37:06
His IMDb picture.
Kyle
00:37:08
He looks exactly like Dice Clay.
Kyle
00:37:11
Dice Clay.
Kyle
00:37:11
He looks exactly like Dice Clay.
Seth
00:37:13
But then you have the, you know, low level detective guy who's just so overacting like a very split on it.
Seth
00:37:21
But overall, because I came out of the movie enjoying what everyone did give to it, I am going to give it a whammy burger.
Kyle
00:37:30
Cool.
Seth
00:37:30
But another 5.1.
Kyle
00:37:31
Okay.
Seth
00:37:32
Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:32
Out of 74.
Seth
00:37:33
Out of 74.
Kyle
00:37:34
Yeah.
Mariana
00:37:35
I feel like whammy burger, but at the same time, I feel like it wasn't about the supporting cast.
Seth
00:37:40
Yeah.
Mariana
00:37:41
I will say that.
Mariana
00:37:41
His wife, Tuesday, specifically Pendergrass wife, she annoyed me so much.
Mariana
00:37:47
She did it perfectly.
Mariana
00:37:49
Like she would have.
Seth
00:37:50
Yeah.
Mariana
00:37:50
You know, like that character would have.
Mariana
00:37:52
But I was just like, oh, my God.
Mariana
00:37:53
I would have divorced this woman so long ago.
Seth
00:37:56
Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:37:56
Like if somebody was calling me all day just like, when are you coming home?
Mariana
00:37:59
When you come home.
Mariana
00:38:00
Oh, my God.
Mariana
00:38:02
But at the same time, that's what the character was supposed to be doing.
Mariana
00:38:04
It's just an interesting way.
Mariana
00:38:06
I don't, I don't like, love the way that they portrayed.
Mariana
00:38:10
She was like one of the main women characters.
Mariana
00:38:12
I love the, the other cop.
Kyle
00:38:16
Oh, Sandra.
Seth
00:38:17
Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:38:18
I love.
Kyle
00:38:18
Played by Rachel to Koch from Total Recall.
Mariana
00:38:21
Yes.
Mariana
00:38:22
She was great.
Mariana
00:38:23
I mean, they were great at what they did for what the direction was.
Mariana
00:38:26
But at the same time I'm like, they didn't feel like real people and they didn't feel like whole characters.
Seth
00:38:32
That's why I'm at like just, just.
Mariana
00:38:34
Barely squeaks like, wham.
Mariana
00:38:36
Yeah, it's a wham.
Kyle
00:38:39
Yeah.
Kyle
00:38:40
I, I went falling down on this one, I.
Kyle
00:38:42
I think Sandra.
Kyle
00:38:44
I agree.
Kyle
00:38:44
And then Lois Smith, who's basically the same person she is when she's the aunt and twister.
Seth
00:38:48
Yeah.
Kyle
00:38:49
Outside of that, it's just way too disjointed.
Kyle
00:38:51
Like, I don't.
Kyle
00:38:52
I'm not one of those people that, like, some people annoy me.
Kyle
00:38:54
Like, I just don't feel like I have enough backstory.
Kyle
00:38:55
It's like you said, this is a containerized story.
Seth
00:38:57
Yeah.
Seth
00:38:58
You don't need backstory.
Seth
00:38:59
Yeah, but depth is different from backstory.
Kyle
00:39:01
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:01
If you're going to act out of line, like Captain Yardley being such a dick out of nowhere, and then Licker pretending to be a Bill Paxton, so.
Kyle
00:39:09
So aberrant.
Kyle
00:39:10
So, like, just boisterous.
Kyle
00:39:12
Like, if you're going to do that shit, like, I will need a little more because my least.
Seth
00:39:16
Make sure you know the reason why you're doing this.
Seth
00:39:19
Go the full Johnny Depp and write 50 pages about what your character had for breakfast that day.
Mariana
00:39:24
There we go.
Seth
00:39:25
Like, if.
Seth
00:39:25
If.
Seth
00:39:26
If you don't believe it, I'm not going to believe it.
Kyle
00:39:28
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:28
It's like the actors were asking.
Kyle
00:39:30
Joel Schumacher is like, what should I do here?
Kyle
00:39:31
You're a dick.
Kyle
00:39:32
Like, okay.
Kyle
00:39:32
And he's like, all right, I'm gonna be a dick.
Kyle
00:39:33
It's like, what about me?
Kyle
00:39:34
He's like, you're a racist Nazi.
Kyle
00:39:35
Okay, here we go.
Seth
00:39:36
You know what?
Seth
00:39:37
You've convinced me.
Seth
00:39:38
I'm.
Seth
00:39:38
I'm a 4.9 now.
Seth
00:39:39
It's falling down.
Kyle
00:39:40
Because what happens is you get caricatures.
Kyle
00:39:42
Yeah, you don't get caricatures.
Kyle
00:39:44
You get caricatures of an idea.
Kyle
00:39:46
And so I'm a dickhead captain.
Kyle
00:39:48
I'm a boisterous, low level detective.
Kyle
00:39:50
You know, and then you just.
Kyle
00:39:51
You just get a bunch of.
Kyle
00:39:52
You know.
Seth
00:39:52
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:53
I just think considering the great performances we get from Duvall and Douglas, the rest kind of pales.
Seth
00:39:59
Yeah, yeah, you've.
Seth
00:40:00
You've convinced me.
Seth
00:40:01
And falling down now.
Mariana
00:40:03
Way too much dialogue.
Mariana
00:40:04
We'll say that.
Kyle
00:40:05
Yeah.
Mariana
00:40:06
Juxtaposition for the drive.
Mariana
00:40:07
Like, so much dialogue that could have been cut out.
Mariana
00:40:10
Like, entire characters.
Kyle
00:40:11
Could have been too much exposition.
Seth
00:40:12
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:40:14
That just watched.
Mariana
00:40:15
I would have watched him just walking around more.
Seth
00:40:17
I don't know.
Seth
00:40:18
Because that.
Kyle
00:40:19
In writing, if you guys want.
Seth
00:40:20
Yeah, I'm going to hold off on that.
Kyle
00:40:21
Hold off.
Kyle
00:40:22
We'll get to that.
Kyle
00:40:22
And right now, hold on to that.
Kyle
00:40:23
I want to hear that thought.
Kyle
00:40:24
I just want to make sure it's in the right category here.
Kyle
00:40:25
It's the next category.
Seth
00:40:26
Oh, there we go.
Kyle
00:40:27
Yeah.
Kyle
00:40:28
But, yeah, it's one to one here.
Kyle
00:40:30
Wow.
Kyle
00:40:30
Oh, no.
Kyle
00:40:30
Oh, no.
Kyle
00:40:31
We're falling down.
Kyle
00:40:32
Maybe.
Kyle
00:40:32
Or maybe we're getting a whammy burger.
Kyle
00:40:34
Writing.
Kyle
00:40:35
So the person that wrote it that I talked about earlier with the strike and was Ebby Rose Smith.
Kyle
00:40:41
Okay.
Kyle
00:40:41
And he was actually.
Kyle
00:40:42
He's an actor in the Boys that show that people like.
Kyle
00:40:44
Oh, nice prime, which I don't care about, but it's all right.
Kyle
00:40:47
Seem to like it.
Seth
00:40:48
Yeah.
Seth
00:40:48
You go first on this because you have opinions.
Kyle
00:40:50
Go ahead.
Mariana
00:40:50
Well, I just.
Mariana
00:40:51
I feel like there's.
Mariana
00:40:52
I didn't really care about the sporting cast and I felt like there was a lot of exposition that just didn't matter.
Mariana
00:40:58
And especially with the cop characters.
Mariana
00:41:00
Like, he could have just shown the female cop and that could have been the only other cop, honestly.
Mariana
00:41:05
And they could have shown no other cops because they were all clearly extras.
Kyle
00:41:09
Yeah.
Mariana
00:41:10
That were.
Mariana
00:41:10
Just had some lines and I.
Mariana
00:41:12
And I also feel like they didn't.
Mariana
00:41:15
They, like, overplayed so much that it was like.
Mariana
00:41:19
It feels like you're trying to fit in a lot of emotion in this one sentence.
Seth
00:41:23
Yeah.
Mariana
00:41:23
And I don't believe you.
Mariana
00:41:25
So why was this.
Mariana
00:41:27
Why did this even happen?
Mariana
00:41:28
It also kind of felt like an editing problem too.
Kyle
00:41:30
Yeah.
Kyle
00:41:31
Yeah, fair.
Mariana
00:41:32
So falling down.
Seth
00:41:33
So for me, I am actually gonna go with a whammy burger here because this is one of those movies that I feel like the point of the extra dialogue was to distract you.
Seth
00:41:46
And I think he did that very well, I think, because everyone is saying, you know, he's got all these massive monologues that Michael Douglas gives, and then you have everyone else kind of interjecting all of their thoughts through whatever Robert Duvall is doing.
Seth
00:42:00
Like, I feel like that was kind of the point was to distract you from what was truly going on until that last moment wrap up.
Seth
00:42:08
So for me, I actually think there was a.
Seth
00:42:10
There was a purpose to.
Seth
00:42:12
Because I think we're going to review this one later.
Seth
00:42:17
But there's a movie I watched called Sometimes I Feel about or Think About Dying.
Seth
00:42:21
And my biggest problem with that is the dialogue that was there because there's barely any actual written dialogue.
Seth
00:42:29
The dialogue that was there was just background characters talking about dumb office stuff and none of it actually fed the plot in any way, shape or form.
Seth
00:42:39
In this one, while there was a lot of dialogue, I feel like every line that was there was put there for a reason.
Seth
00:42:47
And for me, that reason was to kind of distract from the big reveal that was Going to happen at the end.
Seth
00:42:53
So for me, it's.
Seth
00:42:54
It's a whammy burger.
Mariana
00:42:55
Yeah, good point.
Mariana
00:42:56
He did build a lot of tension in those moments.
Seth
00:42:59
Yeah.
Mariana
00:42:59
Very good point.
Kyle
00:43:00
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:00
Are you converting?
Kyle
00:43:01
We have conversions sometimes on here.
Kyle
00:43:02
You don't have to.
Kyle
00:43:03
No pressure.
Mariana
00:43:03
It's a good point.
Mariana
00:43:04
And I do feel like it builds attention really well.
Mariana
00:43:06
And when you started saying it, I was like, you know what?
Mariana
00:43:08
I kind of agree.
Kyle
00:43:10
But then lighter crew opens his mouth.
Seth
00:43:12
Yeah.
Mariana
00:43:12
Yeah.
Seth
00:43:13
Again, I think that's an acting problem, though.
Seth
00:43:15
That's less of a writing problem.
Mariana
00:43:16
That's a good point.
Mariana
00:43:17
That wasn't the writing.
Mariana
00:43:18
I feel like he just overreacted it a lot.
Mariana
00:43:21
I might just be a half wham with three people.
Kyle
00:43:25
We only go all in.
Kyle
00:43:26
What do you.
Mariana
00:43:27
Oh, no.
Kyle
00:43:27
Okay.
Kyle
00:43:27
We only go all in.
Mariana
00:43:28
I'm gonna stick with falling down.
Seth
00:43:30
All right.
Kyle
00:43:30
I like it because I'm six your guns.
Kyle
00:43:32
I'm going there, too.
Kyle
00:43:33
And I just wish this was a little more even, you know, not to my.
Kyle
00:43:38
My favorite director directors are the Coen brothers.
Seth
00:43:41
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:41
And I.
Kyle
00:43:43
They're kind of the benchmark for me with.
Kyle
00:43:45
With side characters and with writing them like there are.
Kyle
00:43:49
They have characters that are in movies for a minute that are more memorable than so many side characters.
Mariana
00:43:54
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:54
I'm not saying I expected jolt.
Kyle
00:43:56
Just that's not who Schumacher is.
Seth
00:43:57
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:58
But I've seen him do this better.
Kyle
00:43:59
Like, Lost Boys is one of my top 50 films.
Kyle
00:44:01
I love how he writes the mother and the boyfriend that ends up being a vampire.
Kyle
00:44:05
Like, I love how he writes side characters.
Kyle
00:44:07
But here I just feel like I do think the Nazi was written pretty well.
Seth
00:44:11
Yeah.
Kyle
00:44:11
But then, like, I get to lie to her, and, like, I know that's acting, but it's also just the stuff that they're being told to say is all characterization.
Kyle
00:44:19
I just.
Kyle
00:44:19
It distracted.
Kyle
00:44:20
You talked about distraction.
Kyle
00:44:21
I was distracted from how great Douglas and Duvall were because I'm just not liking what's being said.
Kyle
00:44:26
I'm just like.
Kyle
00:44:27
I just.
Kyle
00:44:27
So I went falling down, too.
Seth
00:44:29
So all fair opinions.
Kyle
00:44:30
It's all fair.
Seth
00:44:33
So what are we at?
Seth
00:44:33
2 1.
Kyle
00:44:34
We are at.
Kyle
00:44:35
Yep.
Kyle
00:44:35
We are at 2 or 1 to 2.
Kyle
00:44:36
Yeah.
Kyle
00:44:37
So we have two falling down, one whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:40
I love saying whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:41
Isn't it fun?
Mariana
00:44:41
Good one.
Mariana
00:44:42
Yeah.
Mariana
00:44:42
They should make a whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:43
It's my new serenity now.
Kyle
00:44:45
Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:44:46
All right.
Kyle
00:44:47
Directing Joel Schumacher and I want to put out a couple of Lost boys.
Kyle
00:44:50
Batman and Robin, Batman forever.
Kyle
00:44:52
Tiger Land with Colin Farrell, which was kind of a crazy, crazy, independent looking, via Vietnam film.
Kyle
00:44:59
Very unsettling.
Kyle
00:44:59
And then room 23, which was kind of.
Kyle
00:45:01
Well, did that after Eternal Sunshine.
Mariana
00:45:04
Oh, the number 23 was after.
Seth
00:45:05
No, no, no, no.
Seth
00:45:06
Okay.
Kyle
00:45:06
I'm just talking about it was after.
Mariana
00:45:08
Yeah.
Kyle
00:45:08
Because room 23, to me, like, I, I, I saw that before I saw Sunshine and I was like, damn, Jim Carrey can straight up act.
Seth
00:45:14
Yeah.
Kyle
00:45:15
So, yeah.
Seth
00:45:16
And then let's not forget Phantom of the Opera.
Kyle
00:45:17
Phantom of the Opera, Yeah.
Seth
00:45:19
I think that's important in his filmography.
Kyle
00:45:20
Yeah.
Seth
00:45:21
I'm, I'm going whammy burger on him, I think.
Seth
00:45:24
I, like you said, he builds a lot of tension.
Seth
00:45:29
Again, there's only one or two, maybe three characters I feel like were overacting.
Seth
00:45:34
And you know what I say, When a couple of actors are overacting, it's the actor's fault.
Seth
00:45:38
When everyone's overacting, it's the director's fault.
Seth
00:45:42
I genuinely think the script he was given, he did everything good that he could with it.
Seth
00:45:46
And especially when it comes down to the two men carrying that entire film on their backs.
Seth
00:45:51
I think both of them were directed properly and he got them to the place where you felt for them in such deep ways.
Seth
00:46:01
So it's definitely whammy burger for me.
Kyle
00:46:03
I love that, Mariana.
Mariana
00:46:04
Yeah, I agree.
Mariana
00:46:06
I love Joel Schumacher and he, I told them earlier, but he's from my alma mater, Parsons School of Design.
Mariana
00:46:13
He was a fashion design major.
Seth
00:46:15
That makes sense, actually.
Mariana
00:46:16
It really does.
Mariana
00:46:17
I love that he ended up being a director.
Mariana
00:46:20
I didn't realize that.
Mariana
00:46:21
And the number 23 is one of my favorite movies.
Mariana
00:46:23
Movies with Jim Carrey.
Mariana
00:46:25
I love when comedians go into dark.
Seth
00:46:28
Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:29
Crazy movies.
Seth
00:46:30
Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:30
Because I feel like they can bring so much more depth to it that regular people don't have.
Seth
00:46:35
Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:46:35
That's why Jason Bateman is so good in Ozark.
Mariana
00:46:37
Oh, yeah.
Mariana
00:46:38
And this is why everything he produces is good too, because he just is there and it adds depth.
Seth
00:46:43
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:44
Adam Sandler and Uncut Gems.
Kyle
00:46:45
Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:46
Oh, my God.
Mariana
00:46:47
Adam Sandler is another great.
Mariana
00:46:49
Just Funny people.
Seth
00:46:50
Yeah.
Mariana
00:46:50
That's a great dark movie.
Mariana
00:46:52
But, yeah, I loved, I loved this movie so much.
Mariana
00:46:55
And I feel like it was mainly because he kind of kept the vision together.
Seth
00:46:59
Yeah.
Mariana
00:47:00
Even if the supporting characters weren't necessarily 100, it still didn't really affect the movie quality.
Mariana
00:47:07
So Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:47:08
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:09
I almost, you know, I can't say it better than you did.
Kyle
00:47:11
You basically said what I want to say.
Kyle
00:47:12
Which is like I even know there was some distractions with some bad acting and some bad writing.
Kyle
00:47:16
Overall, this is a very impactful movie.
Seth
00:47:18
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:18
And it carries more weight today than it did when I watched it it years ago.
Seth
00:47:21
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:22
Very weighty and the message was clearly delivered in it and it kind of like shook me at my core.
Seth
00:47:26
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:27
So yeah, there are moments, but luckily the, the final showdown, the way the tension increases over the course of the film, like it was enough to overcome all that.
Kyle
00:47:36
So the directing.
Kyle
00:47:37
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:37
A total whammy burger.
Kyle
00:47:38
So two to two, here we go.
Kyle
00:47:40
Oh my gosh.
Kyle
00:47:41
Are we going to come down to the wire or is breakfast going to be closed?
Kyle
00:47:47
Yeah.
Seth
00:47:48
Is it 1033?
Kyle
00:47:49
Is it 10?
Kyle
00:47:51
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:51
All right, what's in front of us that remember cinematography, production design, sound, costumes.
Seth
00:47:57
Yeah.
Seth
00:47:57
Like I said, that movie made me feel hot and sweaty just because of how hot and sweaty the movie was.
Seth
00:48:04
I, I, yeah, everything visual, even, even down to the sound design.
Seth
00:48:09
Like I think every part of it was very well thought out.
Seth
00:48:12
Nothing felt like they were just getting coverage, which is something you'll see a lot in TV versus films.
Seth
00:48:18
But I can tell when there's a poorly made film, when every shot isn't thought out, when it's just, well, we need to get wide, we need to get mediums that cover everybody and we need to get close ups that cover everybody.
Seth
00:48:31
You can tell that versus this particular line of dialogue is going to be set in a wide shot because we need to feel like this characters alone.
Seth
00:48:39
But this one's going to be a very intense close up because we really need to feel the emotion.
Seth
00:48:43
I felt like every time something was on screen, it was very purposeful.
Seth
00:48:49
So it's a whammy burger for me.
Mariana
00:48:50
Yeah, I agree.
Mariana
00:48:51
I would say whammy burger also.
Mariana
00:48:54
I just, I don't know.
Mariana
00:48:56
It's just rare that there's a movie that is like.
Mariana
00:48:59
Especially when it's not beautiful.
Seth
00:49:01
Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:02
There's nothing in it that is beautiful.
Seth
00:49:04
It's disgusting.
Mariana
00:49:05
It's disgusting.
Mariana
00:49:06
It's gross.
Mariana
00:49:07
It looks like my childhood.
Mariana
00:49:09
Like it is just there's nothing nice.
Mariana
00:49:12
It's like the opposite of drive.
Seth
00:49:14
Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:14
He makes it look just gross and disgusting.
Mariana
00:49:17
And at the same time I'm just like, I've never felt more in line with the character.
Mariana
00:49:22
I keep saying it, but I'm just like at the end of the movie I'm just like, I am this guy.
Seth
00:49:27
I am the bad guy.
Mariana
00:49:28
I know, I know.
Mariana
00:49:29
And it makes you feel like I'm like, maybe I Am the bad guy.
Mariana
00:49:31
Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:34
But at least I have that voice in my head still.
Seth
00:49:36
Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:37
But, yeah, just overall, I think it was just really strong and it just, you know, it just keeps you there the whole time.
Mariana
00:49:42
You.
Mariana
00:49:43
I have trouble paying attention to a movie a whole, the whole time.
Mariana
00:49:47
And I was just in trance.
Mariana
00:49:49
In a trance watching it.
Seth
00:49:50
So.
Seth
00:49:50
Yeah.
Mariana
00:49:51
Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:49:51
Love that.
Kyle
00:49:52
Isn't it fun to say whammy?
Mariana
00:49:53
It's so fun to say.
Mariana
00:49:54
I mean, that's probably why I'm rating everything.
Kyle
00:49:57
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:57
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:58
I hated it, but I'm still going Whammy burger.
Seth
00:50:00
I know.
Kyle
00:50:01
No, I agree.
Kyle
00:50:02
I, I, and we.
Kyle
00:50:03
I have a category just about la, just because, you know, LA is such a prominent place for the setting.
Kyle
00:50:10
And I love it when movies deviate and do something else.
Kyle
00:50:13
But you could watch 10 different movies in LA.
Kyle
00:50:16
Like Take Drive, for example, and Heat.
Seth
00:50:18
Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:19
And you could come away with 10 different interpretations of what LA is if you're, if you're not basing it on reality but on the movies themselves.
Seth
00:50:24
Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:25
And this, obviously, it paints, I would say, a realistic but a pretty exaggerated version of la.
Seth
00:50:31
Oh, very.
Kyle
00:50:32
But I do love it because it's, it's almost.
Kyle
00:50:36
This is a bit of a stretch, but it's Mad Max trudging through the wasteland almost.
Kyle
00:50:40
And he's.
Kyle
00:50:41
I love that he's traversing on foot this world.
Kyle
00:50:44
He doesn't drive.
Seth
00:50:45
Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:46
He's on foot.
Kyle
00:50:46
He's got weapons.
Kyle
00:50:48
He's, you know, he's got a bazooka at one point.
Kyle
00:50:50
I mean, he's just walking through the wasteland and you.
Seth
00:50:53
Bazooka scene with.
Seth
00:50:55
So good.
Kyle
00:50:55
It's so out of this world.
Mariana
00:50:56
Amazing.
Seth
00:50:57
It's so out of fact that the kid just walks up, he's like, no, you do this.
Kyle
00:51:01
And that's where the Douglas tongue in cheek shit really paid off for this movie.
Kyle
00:51:04
Oh, we're making a movie.
Seth
00:51:05
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:05
What's it called?
Kyle
00:51:07
I love it.
Kyle
00:51:08
And I think, I think it's, like, allegorical almost.
Kyle
00:51:11
It's almost like he's walking through, you know, the Rings of Hell, you know, and.
Seth
00:51:16
Very Pilgrim's Progressy.
Kyle
00:51:17
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:51:18
It's, you know, it's the Divine Comedy, almost.
Kyle
00:51:21
And, and I love that.
Kyle
00:51:23
And so I think we're being presented with a very interesting visual and of him, like, almost traversing uphill, you know, towards his destiny, which is a bad destiny.
Kyle
00:51:30
But I love everything we're being shown.
Kyle
00:51:32
I think that the, the idea of seeing him in the white shirt and the buzz cut, you almost Immediately know who he is just by seeing him.
Kyle
00:51:39
Yeah, you see him for five seconds.
Kyle
00:51:40
Like, I know who that guy is.
Seth
00:51:41
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:41
Smart nerd.
Kyle
00:51:42
Maybe disgruntled, sweaty, little hair shorter.
Kyle
00:51:45
Little, little, little short for the hair.
Kyle
00:51:47
But no, I, I love it.
Kyle
00:51:48
I, I think sometimes a small choice can speak so much.
Kyle
00:51:52
And to me that the, the aesthetic of the costumes and the way people are dressed, it just speaks instantly.
Kyle
00:51:58
So I feel like I'm there at, I'm saturated by it.
Kyle
00:52:00
I love it.
Kyle
00:52:00
So I give it a huge whammy burger.
Seth
00:52:02
Yeah.
Kyle
00:52:02
Three to two.
Kyle
00:52:03
We got three whammies and we got two falling down.
Kyle
00:52:06
Where are we going to end up?
Kyle
00:52:08
Could end up in a tie.
Kyle
00:52:09
I love it when that happens.
Kyle
00:52:11
Love it.
Kyle
00:52:11
You're over there, like, does that happen?
Kyle
00:52:14
Am I supposed to care?
Mariana
00:52:14
What happened?
Kyle
00:52:15
What, what happened?
Kyle
00:52:16
We get in a tie, man.
Mariana
00:52:18
Does the guest host get, get killed.
Kyle
00:52:20
When there's a tie?
Kyle
00:52:22
We, we feed the guest host to Harrison.
Seth
00:52:23
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:52:25
One teaspoon at a time though.
Kyle
00:52:26
So it's going to be a while.
Mariana
00:52:28
So Harrison's a cat if y'all don't.
Kyle
00:52:31
Harrison's the source of light over here.
Kyle
00:52:33
The random.
Kyle
00:52:34
All right, this is, I call this category the LA Times.
Seth
00:52:37
Okay.
Kyle
00:52:38
Because like I said, we have been presented.
Kyle
00:52:40
We just reviewed a movie about LA and drive that was like driving around sexy neon la.
Kyle
00:52:46
Cool.
Kyle
00:52:47
What do you think about this interpretation?
Kyle
00:52:49
And think of it this way too.
Kyle
00:52:50
How does it hold up in of 2024 LA?
Seth
00:52:52
Like so last time I was in LA was 2022 and it was utterly disgusting.
Seth
00:52:59
I, I, I like to tell this story because I, I finally understood why so many people in LA are socialists.
Seth
00:53:06
Because I was walking to the Comedy Store and I was going up the main road that goes to Sunset Boulevard and I'm passing by this wildly expensive steakhouse.
Seth
00:53:17
Three people, dudes probably got a 3,000, $4,000 suit on.
Seth
00:53:21
These two girls are in like almost like ball gown kind of dresses, getting out of a Tesla Roadster.
Seth
00:53:28
And they're walking into the steakhouse as a homeless man is pushing an entire gigantic cart just full of shit.
Seth
00:53:35
And they're all covering their faces, trying to not look at him as they're walking to the steakhouse.
Seth
00:53:40
And it's like when you live in a city that has that wild, like literally the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor all right next to each other.
Seth
00:53:49
I can see how some people would have these kind of extreme looking ideologies.
Seth
00:53:55
And for me, I feel like this movie really plays on this not necessarily the rich and poor, but, like the extreme good versus the extreme bad that thinks he's doing good.
Seth
00:54:05
And.
Seth
00:54:05
And also just the kind of gritty, gross nature of LA that at least I experienced two years ago.
Seth
00:54:11
So for me, it's a whammy burger.
Seth
00:54:13
Because the entire time I was watching this movie, even though it was made in the early 90s, I still was like, this is what it feels like today.
Seth
00:54:21
Like, it's.
Seth
00:54:22
They nailed it.
Seth
00:54:23
So, yeah, yeah, it's a whammy burger for me.
Kyle
00:54:25
I love that.
Mariana
00:54:26
Nice.
Mariana
00:54:27
I.
Mariana
00:54:27
I've never been to LA, but I lived in New York City for 10 years, so I feel like they're pretty comparable in the fact that they're both disgusting.
Seth
00:54:35
Yeah.
Kyle
00:54:36
Yeah.
Kyle
00:54:37
And I'm smelling New York just hearing you talking about it.
Mariana
00:54:40
Yeah, I know.
Mariana
00:54:41
And then you do have that, like, wealth disparity where you're just like.
Mariana
00:54:44
It just feels insane to a point where you're just like, wait a minute, I work 20 hours a day and I'm never going to have what.
Mariana
00:54:52
Like, this woman has.
Mariana
00:54:54
Like, she's never worked a day in her life and she lives here.
Seth
00:54:57
Yeah.
Mariana
00:54:58
And this is.
Mariana
00:54:59
Makes sense because she was born into this family.
Mariana
00:55:02
And then you just get to this place where you're like, oh, yeah, everything's predetermined to an extent.
Mariana
00:55:08
You can change a lot, but.
Mariana
00:55:09
And you can work hard, but it doesn't necessarily pay off.
Mariana
00:55:12
Which is kind of what this movie is about, or not about, but, you know, it's.
Mariana
00:55:16
It's a theme.
Seth
00:55:17
Yeah, definitely.
Mariana
00:55:18
But I just.
Mariana
00:55:19
I don't know.
Mariana
00:55:19
My favorite part of the whole movie is the bazooka scene with the kid.
Seth
00:55:23
Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:24
And.
Mariana
00:55:25
But it's because, like, when he's like, why are you tearing up the road?
Mariana
00:55:28
And then you read more about the movie and it's like, yeah, they were just fulfilling a budget or something.
Mariana
00:55:33
A lot of the time when they do this, like, road work.
Seth
00:55:35
Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:35
And you are just like, so you interrupted my life for a year or two years, my commute to work.
Mariana
00:55:41
You interrupted it to do nothing, to fill a budget.
Seth
00:55:44
Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:45
And then you just.
Seth
00:55:46
To make sure you didn't have a surplus.
Seth
00:55:47
Yeah.
Mariana
00:55:47
So you feel like a lemming.
Mariana
00:55:49
And I just.
Mariana
00:55:50
I don't know what the question was anymore, but representation of la.
Kyle
00:55:55
Do you dig the representation of LA and how.
Kyle
00:55:57
And you know, especially considering today, like, the difference between 1993 and 2024, it feels pretty accurate.
Seth
00:56:03
Yeah.
Mariana
00:56:04
But at the same time, that's from somebody who's never been to la.
Mariana
00:56:07
Yeah, I've just been in these, like, concentrated cities.
Mariana
00:56:10
Plenty.
Mariana
00:56:10
And again, living in New York for 10 years and almost never leaving for 10 years, like, you do feel like a rat on a sinking ship.
Mariana
00:56:17
And I think I feel that from him.
Seth
00:56:20
Yeah.
Mariana
00:56:20
When he's there, I feel the, like, desperate, quiet.
Mariana
00:56:23
Living a life of quiet desperation.
Seth
00:56:24
Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:25
Yeah.
Mariana
00:56:26
So whammy bird.
Kyle
00:56:27
Whammy burger.
Kyle
00:56:28
I love it.
Kyle
00:56:29
Yeah, I agree.
Kyle
00:56:29
And there's some research that, you know, in the commentary, they talk about when the.
Kyle
00:56:33
When they were writing the screenplay, LA had become this capital of now.
Kyle
00:56:37
We now think of it as this.
Kyle
00:56:39
This melting pot, this very diverse city.
Kyle
00:56:41
And it was always kind of diverse, but there was a time period where in the early 90s, when legislation had changed about immigration.
Kyle
00:56:48
And all of a sudden, Los Angeles.
Kyle
00:56:49
Los Angeles become the capital of immigration.
Kyle
00:56:52
Like, and folks like, like folks from India, you know, all over Asia, Mexico, like, it.
Kyle
00:56:58
This legislation had.
Kyle
00:56:59
It became the place where people flocked.
Seth
00:57:01
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:02
And so.
Kyle
00:57:02
But it also created kind of a cultural crisis.
Seth
00:57:05
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:05
In the city.
Kyle
00:57:06
And it's hard to think of it now because LA is just known for that.
Seth
00:57:08
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:09
But then, like, it was.
Kyle
00:57:10
It was a culture shock.
Kyle
00:57:11
And so they actually represent on the nose what was happening in the city, which was this massive change as a city that was becoming a melting pot of all kind of not just immigration, but cultures.
Seth
00:57:21
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:21
Different cultures coming in.
Kyle
00:57:22
And so it really does.
Kyle
00:57:25
It does that really well, I think.
Kyle
00:57:27
And I, like you said, I'm sweating the whole time.
Kyle
00:57:29
I'm just watching.
Kyle
00:57:30
I'm like, I'm sweaty.
Kyle
00:57:31
I want to change my shirt.
Seth
00:57:32
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:32
Like, dude, I actually feel like I was perspiring watching it.
Kyle
00:57:35
Literally, I'm just like.
Seth
00:57:36
You feel gross just halfway through the movie.
Seth
00:57:39
Not because of anything that happens, just because of how everything is portrayed.
Kyle
00:57:43
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:57:44
I get really uneasy when I go to la because I don't go that often, but when I do go, it's typically for business or something.
Kyle
00:57:48
But when I go, I.
Kyle
00:57:51
I have the feeling maybe because I've watched so many movies.
Kyle
00:57:54
Maybe not.
Kyle
00:57:55
I don't know, but I'm just like, I could get.
Kyle
00:57:56
I could really get in some trouble here if I wanted to.
Kyle
00:57:58
You know, it's just like everything's here.
Seth
00:58:00
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:01
Good and bad, you know, and which.
Kyle
00:58:03
But it's also like a.
Kyle
00:58:04
Choose your own reality.
Seth
00:58:05
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:06
You.
Kyle
00:58:06
You for sure.
Kyle
00:58:07
You know, it's just like.
Kyle
00:58:08
I know, and I hate to say this, I hope these people don't listen to the podcast, but I just know a lot of people that go there.
Kyle
00:58:13
And I know that they can barely afford to eat, but on social media, they are crushing it.
Seth
00:58:19
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:19
Like, they are.
Kyle
00:58:20
They were an extra in a commercial.
Kyle
00:58:22
I'm like, you couldn't pay for ramen.
Seth
00:58:23
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:24
I'm just like.
Kyle
00:58:24
And I'm proud of them for trying.
Kyle
00:58:25
It's not that.
Kyle
00:58:26
But I'm just like.
Kyle
00:58:27
It's a Choose your own reality.
Kyle
00:58:28
But this guy, this character is reality.
Seth
00:58:31
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:32
And he's marching through this wasteland.
Kyle
00:58:34
And for that reason, I love the LA setting here because it does feel very real, very true to the history of the city.
Kyle
00:58:40
But also he's this weird, idyllic figure kind of marching through this changing wasteland.
Kyle
00:58:46
It's crazy.
Kyle
00:58:46
I love it.
Kyle
00:58:47
So anyway, L.A.
Kyle
00:58:48
times, I give it a huge whammy burger.
Seth
00:58:49
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:50
So it is.
Kyle
00:58:51
What is that?
Seth
00:58:52
Four to two.
Kyle
00:58:52
Four to two.
Kyle
00:58:53
And it's.
Kyle
00:58:54
There's nothing.
Kyle
00:58:55
Nothing can be done here.
Kyle
00:58:56
This is an interesting category.
Kyle
00:58:57
It's actually been done in other ones, but we did it in American Cycle because we found out it was being remade.
Kyle
00:59:02
But I was asking myself the question, watching this, could it be remade today?
Kyle
00:59:06
And the answering is a little reverse psychology.
Kyle
00:59:08
If you think yes, that's actually a no, because you don't think the film accomplished what it could.
Kyle
00:59:12
What it meant to accomplish.
Kyle
00:59:13
But.
Kyle
00:59:13
But, you know, does this.
Kyle
00:59:15
Could this story be retold?
Kyle
00:59:16
Does it need to be retold in a modern context?
Kyle
00:59:18
Or is.
Kyle
00:59:18
Or is this kind of a time capsule?
Seth
00:59:20
I think this captures.
Seth
00:59:23
I think it transcends time.
Kyle
00:59:25
Yeah.
Seth
00:59:25
I don't think it needs to be remade.
Seth
00:59:27
I don't think it should be remade.
Seth
00:59:29
So I guess I'm giving it a whammy burger because I feel like it.
Seth
00:59:35
Even though you can tell when it was made just because of the clothes people are wearing and what's going on, it still somehow feels outside of time.
Seth
00:59:49
It still represents a lot of people today.
Seth
00:59:52
So, yeah, I don't think it should ever be remade.
Seth
00:59:54
I think it should stay as a perfect time capsule that also transcends time.
Kyle
01:00:00
I love that.
Kyle
01:00:01
Well said.
Mariana
01:00:01
Yeah, well said.
Mariana
01:00:06
I hate remakes.
Mariana
01:00:07
I don't ever want anything to be remade.
Mariana
01:00:09
I would way rather watch the original than I would ever want to watch a remake.
Mariana
01:00:13
I do think it would be interesting to make an entire TV show that was on the same concept that was set today, but maybe a different kind of character.
Seth
01:00:22
Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:24
Like their life just keeps devolving and devolving and devolving.
Mariana
01:00:27
It would have to be one season.
Mariana
01:00:29
It'd be a miniseries.
Seth
01:00:30
Yeah.
Seth
01:00:31
Like a solid five episodes.
Mariana
01:00:32
Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:33
It just.
Mariana
01:00:33
It feels.
Mariana
01:00:35
It feels like they did it perfectly.
Seth
01:00:37
Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:38
But at the same time, I kind of sometimes hate watching old movies.
Mariana
01:00:41
Because they're ugly.
Kyle
01:00:42
Yeah.
Mariana
01:00:43
And they're aesthetically ugly.
Mariana
01:00:44
And I think that's why a lot of people don't go back and watch old movies now.
Mariana
01:00:48
Not to mention they're not as available.
Mariana
01:00:50
Especially a movie like this where it's not like the Avengers, you know, or something like that.
Mariana
01:00:55
So I don't think you can remake it, and there's no reason to.
Mariana
01:00:58
But I love the concept, and I would love to see something not based on it, but I would love to see another version of the same person.
Seth
01:01:06
Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:06
Because I just feel like this guy represents everybody.
Seth
01:01:09
Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:09
Or not everybody.
Mariana
01:01:10
Clearly, he doesn't represent the 1%, but he represents everybody else.
Seth
01:01:14
He definitely represents the every man.
Mariana
01:01:16
Yeah, totally.
Mariana
01:01:17
He's the 99.
Seth
01:01:18
Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:19
And I just.
Mariana
01:01:19
Man.
Kyle
01:01:20
Yeah.
Mariana
01:01:21
Whammy burger.
Kyle
01:01:22
Whammy burger.
Kyle
01:01:23
That's both of y'all.
Kyle
01:01:24
Well said.
Kyle
01:01:24
A couple poets over here.
Kyle
01:01:26
Yeah, I.
Kyle
01:01:27
I kept thinking about this movie, like, and it's a really hard thought to nail down because on one hand, we.
Kyle
01:01:32
We're.
Kyle
01:01:32
We're numb to violence now.
Seth
01:01:33
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:34
I think we see.
Kyle
01:01:34
You know, my God, we.
Kyle
01:01:36
You can get on Twitter and see acts of war.
Seth
01:01:38
Yeah.
Seth
01:01:39
Literally.
Kyle
01:01:39
Twitter, you know, you can see.
Mariana
01:01:40
You can watch wars.
Seth
01:01:41
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:41
Yes.
Kyle
01:01:42
You can watch people getting run over by cars on Twitter.
Kyle
01:01:44
It's just like we live in a time where violence is so.
Kyle
01:01:47
Is so mainlined.
Kyle
01:01:49
But still, I am shocked when.
Kyle
01:01:51
When you read about someone who acts.
Kyle
01:01:53
Who actually acts on those instincts.
Kyle
01:01:54
And that's why this movie is so shocking, you know, and this is during a time when.
Kyle
01:01:59
When information wasn't flowing as freely.
Kyle
01:02:00
It's still very heavily.
Kyle
01:02:01
I mean, this movie is based on newspaper.
Kyle
01:02:03
You know, it's like, yeah, this is newspaper prime.
Seth
01:02:06
Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:06
So it's like.
Kyle
01:02:07
It's even more shocking.
Kyle
01:02:09
So I like the idea of this being against.
Kyle
01:02:11
You know, could they tell the story today in time where we are just so not shocked?
Seth
01:02:16
Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:16
You know, and this is shocking considering the time.
Kyle
01:02:18
So.
Kyle
01:02:19
Yeah, I definitely think it's.
Kyle
01:02:20
It's relegated to the time it was made.
Kyle
01:02:21
I think it's timeless and I.
Kyle
01:02:22
But I still think it speaks into today 100%, and I think it's got a really important message for today.
Seth
01:02:27
Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:28
That gets lost in the numbness we have to the violence we see all around us.
Seth
01:02:32
Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
01:02:33
Hell, yeah.
Kyle
01:02:34
This was a whammy burger.
Kyle
01:02:35
Woo.
Kyle
01:02:35
Falling down was a whammy burger.
Kyle
01:02:37
I'm so.
Kyle
01:02:37
Thank you for going on this journey with me.
Kyle
01:02:39
I've wanted to talk about this movie for a while.
Seth
01:02:40
Yeah, no, this was a great one to add to the collection.
Kyle
01:02:43
Yes.
Kyle
01:02:43
It's so good.
Mariana
01:02:44
Highly recommend.
Seth
01:02:45
Yeah, absolutely.
Kyle
01:02:46
Absolutely.
Kyle
01:02:47
This was a whammy burger for us, which is good.
Kyle
01:02:48
Positive.
Kyle
01:02:49
Loved it.
Kyle
01:02:49
Affirmative.
Kyle
01:02:50
That was fun.
Kyle
01:02:51
Thanks for hanging out with me again.
Kyle
01:02:52
We keep ending up in this room with microphones and we talk about movies.
Kyle
01:02:55
It's amazing.
Mariana
01:02:56
How'd this even get here?
Kyle
01:02:58
Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:59
Thank you for hanging out with us.
Kyle
01:03:00
I'm Kyle.
Seth
01:03:01
I'm Seth.
Mariana
01:03:01
I'm Mariana.
Kyle
01:03:02
Love y'all.
Seth
01:03:05
Movie Wars.