The Transformational Power of Running and Yoga: An Interview with Kate Pippos

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Welcome to the Mindset for Runners podcast, helping you to access and unlock
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your true potential as an athlete.
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Hey, it's Rob and welcome to my interview with Kate Pippos.
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Kate discovered running at the age of nine and yoga at the age of 17.
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She speaks to both as anchors and teachers to every aspect of life.
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The former head of yoga for a global wellness company, Kate helps others discover
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how to apply the theoretical principles of discipline, devotion,
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and detachment to physical pursuits.
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Having trained in Eastern philosophy, psychology, yoga, and multiple styles
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of meditation for more than two decades, her approach is about creating space
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for presence in the body and the mind.
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She's the author of the Mama Sutras, a practical, spiritual,
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psychological, and emotional toolbox for modern mothering.
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Her podcast, The Morning Adorning, launches in August 2025.
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I hope you enjoy this interview as much as I did.
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I've listened to it numerous times and still letting the deep connection of
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yoga, spirituality, and running
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land with me. Please enjoy this amazing interview with Kate Pippos.
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All right, I'm here with the amazing Kate Pippos. Thank you so much for your time today.
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Thank you, Rob. It's lovely to be here with you.
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Yeah, this is going to be awesome. I already know that. I've listened to a couple
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of the episodes you've been on and I've really connected with your message and
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your energy and the way you come across in those podcasts.
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I'm very grateful that you would appear on the Mindset for Runners podcast.
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Oh, thank you. That makes me feel really warm. And I guess I want to extend
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a really heartfelt thanks to all of your interviewees up until now,
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everybody that's contributed to the podcast, because it really became,
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it's such a big part of my training to pop that in and listen to the episodes.
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And yeah, I think I'm doubling up on them now. So really, really grateful for
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everybody who's guested before me. It's a real privilege. That's beautiful.
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I've been so lucky. Well, let's get to you. I want to start by asking you,
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what does running mean to you and how does it fit into your busy life?
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And can you tell us about your relationship to running?
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Yes. It's funny you say relationship because I think when you ask me what running
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means to me, it is like absolutely my first love and one of my longest term
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relationships, I'd have to say.
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We've been in and out of a lot together. We've been through it.
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So yeah if I can kind of go roundabouts and share
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the story of how I came to running I think that
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sets a really good kind of foundation for where we'll go from here I ran my
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first cross-country race when I was nine I think it was two kilometers I'm not
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sure maybe it was less and I came second I grew up in a rural part of Brisbane
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about 40 minutes out of Brisbane it's now really famed actually,
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the Sanford Valley. I grew up just outside the Sanford Valley.
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And I came second in this race, but I had only what I can really explain as
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a flow state experience.
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So obviously was doing really well, was really proud of myself,
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but also felt this rush of everything, you know, this beautiful sense of connectedness
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and living that close to nature.
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I think I always had a spiritual perspective on life and existence, I think.
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So I had this amazing experience. And I remember going home and I said to my
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dad, okay, my dad and I were the earliest risers in our house.
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And we used to tend to the vegetable garden usually first thing in the morning.
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And it was a way that I could kind of get time with him and learn about stuff.
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He loved his vegetable garden. the vegetables were amazing.
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And I was like, okay, dad, we're gonna, I'm gonna train myself.
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I'm gonna go running in the mornings and I want you to drive the car after me.
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And my dad being who he was, was like, yeah, okay, cool. We're doing this thing.
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So shout out to John for his support.
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I look back on that now and I'm like, what a crazy nine-year-old who does that.
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But anyway, so we he
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would drive after me in the car and I would go and do these hill runs
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up this crazy part of road that was
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called the devil's elbow it was a really tight turn but
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there was a dirt track and it just it was so hilly right it was just up and
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down up and down and I loved it and I really thrived and I self-trained myself
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until I went to high school so that was three years and then was really lucky
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to fall under the tutelage of Tony Booth.
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And was training with him throughout my whole teenage years and competing in
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cross-country for my school.
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And, you know, what it means to me, all of that, I think it's devotion. It's discipline.
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It's definitely, I want to say passion, but it's probably more of an obsession
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than anything else, especially when you look at the number of shoes I own at this point.
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It's connection as well. And solace.
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And I think as well, there is something about the experience of,
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like, sometimes it's grueling, right?
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Sometimes it hurts. And I think the pain is something that really fuels me in
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my running, healthy or unhealthy, rightly or wrongly.
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Yeah, so it's kind of a lot of things and it means a lot of things to me.
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I think it really demands of me to show up any way I am and to let the run transform me.
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You know, whether it's a long run that pushes me and pushes my endurance and
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pushes my mental capacity, whether it's a, you know,
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hills, which is so repetitive and, you know, that short, hard,
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fast, like you just got to keep at it.
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No one else is going to push you unless you push yourself. you
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know whether it's a tempo run and I'm like just like pushing
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pushing as as hard and fast as I can I'm always
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learning something and I'm always really uncovering
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something deeper about myself and like finding the places that I need while
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I'm running like whether it's strength or patience or acceptance right like
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those days where you're running and your body's like spent, so spent.
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And so, yeah, I think I really get from running a.
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Like something different all the time and
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yeah it's just beautiful it's
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such a diverse long-term relationship so
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yeah I don't have you read Haruki Murakami's book what I talk about when I talk
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about running I've listened to it on audiobook yes so he's one of my favorite
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authors he's you know I read a little bit of fiction but I tend towards non-fiction
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mostly and he's just one of my favorite fiction authors ever.
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I can take months to read one of his books because it is just so detailed and I never want it to end.
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You know, it's like when something's so good, you just want to draw it out because it's so beautiful.
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But what he, some of the things that he says, I love a good quote that I really
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resonate with in his, what I talk about when I talk about running.
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There's this one quote when he says, when I'm running, I don't have to talk
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to anybody and I don't have to listen to anybody. This is a part of my day I can't do without.
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And I think as well being,
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I'm naturally quite introverted and private, but my career and my profession
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has led me to being in these spaces where I'm quite extroverted and public spaces.
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And I think for me, the running is something that's mine, and it's only mine.
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And I'm, for the most part, in control of the outcome.
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And I do think that most of it is mental.
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You know i get that we have
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physical things that challenge us but for
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the most part i do think that it's a for me anyway it's really a mental spiritual
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thing and if i'm fighting against something i'm fighting against something in
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myself so the opportunity is to you know like move through it that's beautiful i've got at least 120.
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That was so beautiful.
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And the last thing is what you said is where I want to go.
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Can we dive into that, where you just were then with that mental side and how
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do you have that fight, as you said?
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Does it happen all the time?
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Take us to a fight and tell us how you navigate those two things.
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So funnily enough, we used to talk a lot in my former.
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Role about intrinsic motivation to exercise.
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And apparently it's only about 3% of the population who are intrinsically motivated to exercise.
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And I used to laugh. Yeah.
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Yeah. So I used to laugh because I thought, well, 3% is probably myself and
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every other PT and yoga instructor and Pilates instructor on the planet,
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right? Like that's, that's pretty much it.
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But I've always had this intrinsic motivation so
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getting my shoes on and getting out the door isn't an
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issue for me it's it's never been a problem there's
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I never have to talk myself into going for a run ever wow which I feel really
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lucky about right because I know that for a lot of people well 97% of the population
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that that is a genuine thing that holds them back but I think for me it's the
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pressure that I put myself under.
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And I love Billie Jean King. I'm a big tennis fan. I love on Arthur Ash Stadium,
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where the US Open is hosted, there's this mantra and it's pressure is a privilege.
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And I think about that all the time. But I think it's, for me,
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the biggest thing is, yeah, the pressure I put myself under to do better every time.
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And I think I'm like that with a lot of things in my life, I think that we can.
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I think that we should put ourselves under that pressure, actually.
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I think we should be trying to be better tomorrow than we were today.
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And I know that with running, like I said before, you do need to reach moments of acceptance where,
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despite the pressure you put on yourself, you also have to soften at times.
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And yeah, I guess really be with what
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is so did that
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answer any of that oh it did better than that uh
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and so so we talked about being better as in that's your flavor of pressure
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can you when you talk about being better in running can you kind of define your
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idea of better and what that means look it's really shallow good it's really
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shallow but i think for me.
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Faster and also like stronger so feeling feeling strong in myself and being
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able to perform based on that strength which comes about from consistency and
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devotion and discipline and showing up.
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Yeah beautiful how do you know that when you are getting stronger like what
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is it an internal thing for you or how do you measure it i think for me one
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of the biggest kind of markers is recovery Right.
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I always notice when I start out on my training blocks, you know,
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in the beginning, I'll do a
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not super long run and I'll come home and the days after, I'll feel that.
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Like I will feel that in my body and I'm like, damn, that was not that far and
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my body's just not conditioned for it.
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So I think conditioning is a big part.
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Yeah. This is cool. Okay, this is cool. So, I want to go back to that internal
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fight. So, you're on a run. Yes.
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And there's a part of you that's like, this is hard or I'm done or whatever.
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What's the other part? How do those two, is it a boxing match?
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Is it a conversation? Is it a courtroom?
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It's interesting as well. I have a chronic foot injury.
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It was an acute injury that I had to have surgery on. I was not walking for almost two months.
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And the surgeon, it happened overseas, and when I came home,
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I had a surgeon here who was looking after me, obviously, and he was like, you'll never run again.
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And I was like, good story, let's see. And I didn't for some time.
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I really was only on kind of one run a week, and I had come from running almost every day.
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So for me, one of the things that kind of recently,
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especially because it's flared up in the lead up to training for a marathon
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but I think it's that like this hurts it hurts this is painful it hurts it's
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slowing me down I don't know if I can go on.
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This is hard. You know, these are all the things that go through my mind.
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And I think it's the internal fight that then creates the pressure, right?
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And I'm like, okay, we're going to have to get through this.
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Like there is, we're going to have to work through this. And I tend to draw
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on everything I've been through up until now.
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So I think about the accident that caused the injury. and I think about once
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when I was climbing a mountain in Indonesia and I got food poisoning so we had to get up at like 3 a.m.
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And get on this pickup truck and go to the base of the mountain and it wasn't until about 5 a.m.
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That I started being quite unwell and we were already, it must have been a bit
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later because we were already a couple of hours up the mountain and I remember
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the guide coming over to me and saying, look, you're obviously unwell.
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Well, if we stay any longer here, you're going to hold up the group and we won't
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actually get to the summit for a dusk.
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I've got two options for you. One, you can go back down the mountain and go
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to the hospital. And two is you can take this pill and keep on going.
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And I was like, I am a fighter.
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I will continue. So I took this pill and didn't say a word to anyone the whole
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way up. I was with my partner at the time.
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And I remember saying to him, if I can make it up here,
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I can have kids like this is I can give birth and I did make it and I had the
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most amazing cup of tea can I tell you looking at looking at this volcano wow
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yeah I think we were on Lombok anyway.
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So yeah, I'm a fighter. And I said at that point, yes, if I can climb this mountain, I can give birth.
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And then I did give birth twice, both of them natural labors.
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And I think now when I'm running, think about all the things I've been through, and I stack them up.
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And I'm like, you know what, girl, you can do this. This is nothing.
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This is just a run. You're fine. and that's
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more or less how I talk myself off that edge and
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then there's other times when I just lean in and
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I enjoy it and I'm like yeah this is really hard this
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sucks but you know what I'm here and if I'm here I have to keep going that what
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are you gonna do you gonna walk home like I hate walking I'm not walking I'm
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not doing something that would take three times longer like no way so So I think,
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again, that process of transformation can change depending on where I'm at as well.
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Sometimes it is resilience and drawing on the things I've been through that have felt hard.
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And sometimes it is just, I'm not buying into this, you know,
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like I'm not, this is nothing.
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This is, you know, let's go. Let's keep going.
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This is amazing getting to know your relationship with running.
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I want to take you back to something you said earlier, which is about going
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running on your own, not having to listen to anybody, not having to talk to
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anybody, which resonated with you.
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But you deeply connect with yourself on these runs.
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And you're like open to the messages that are coming through.
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How can you teach us how to stay open to maybe a lesson that's coming through to you?
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Oh, that's a good question. That's a really good question.
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I think a lot of this probably also comes from my formative training in yoga
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and also Buddhism and meditation.
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If running was my first love, yoga was definitely my second love. And I found yoga.
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My mom was hassling me for ages. I had stopped running, actually, is what happened.
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So school finished, high school finished I stopped training and I
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didn't have that anchor anymore and I
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got quite depressed actually and didn't really
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know how to manage my mental health and did
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other stuff including taking up smoking as
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a habit and I remember my mom kept hassling me
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like you should come to yoga you should come to yoga it's this beautiful thing
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come to yoga we were sitting outside a
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suburban this was 1999 right so a long
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time ago a long time before yoga was cool as
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well a long time before any of the
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activewear brands were a thing and I
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was like I'll just go like I'll go to shut her up you know my
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mom's this amazing Greek Aries powerhouse never
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stops and I was like she won't stop until I
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go I'll just go you know so I'm
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outside this scout hall there's karate downstairs I'm
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finishing off my cigarette yeah just and I.
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Go in and the teacher
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I can see immediately that she just has this
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sense of connectedness and it emanates
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from her there's you know it's like this
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beautiful like untouchable
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shield you know and I felt so
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conflicted in myself at that time that that was so impressive for me I was like
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okay if this is what I need to do to do that I'm doing it and then had quite
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a profound experience during shavasana which is essentially the death right
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shavasana is corpse pose and the intention of shavasana is that you.
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Let all the transformation of the practice which has occurred in your energy
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body essentially you let this
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you're letting go like you're letting go of what needs to be let go of,
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and I think for me that mini ego death happens when I run as well.
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It is because of the training. I try as much as possible to clear my mind.
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So instead of thinking about everything that's going on and compounding all
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the thoughts, I just let go into what is.
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And I let this kind of sense of freedom, right?
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Like no one can touch me when I'm in that space.
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There's not even someone honking their horn if I'm running across the road.
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It doesn't matter to me. I'm running.
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Nothing else matters in that moment. It doesn't matter what's going on outside
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in my work life, in my home life,
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with my relationships or my love life or family, whatever it might be.
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It's like in this moment, this is my time. This is my space.
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And if I let my mind bounce into that and I'm just overthinking I'm not going
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to get that I'm not going to get the best out of it that I can so I'm not going to get,
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And, you know, there's a few different ways that we do it, right?
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Obviously, it's a conscious thing that I just carry. Like, I'm going to, this is my time.
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As Haruki Murakami would say, my own cozy homemade void, my own nostalgic silence.
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That's what he calls it, which I think is like chef's kiss to Haruki Murakami.
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It's absolutely so poetic.
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But yeah, definitely clearing the mind. And I often have a focus on my breath,
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which admittedly I'm still working on.
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I'm still really, really working on cultivating better, stronger breath when I run.
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And it's not always easy, you know, especially when my heart rate is up.
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I'm like, what control of the breath, you know?
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And I also think, you know, like we do in some yoga styles,
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but not all, really inviting my body
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to soften as much as possible so like
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noticing if I'm clenching my jaw or if
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I've got my shoulders up around my ears or you
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know if I'm holding my arms in a certain position and
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a lot of it for me does tend to be upper body we say
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that the neck is like the bridge between the body
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and or the heart and the mind so I
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think a lot of it for me is about the upper body
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and being able to soften and release the upper
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body and try to breathe deeper it's
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essentially you know embodying some
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of the basic principles of yoga into running
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essentially yeah and you've articulated it so beautifully i want to get back
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to the first stage where you are letting go and emptying the mind because it's
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your time it's your space is there
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a process that you use Do you visualize something or is it, as you said,
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this is my time to kind of start that process to remind you so that the uninitiated
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like me can learn from this?
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Oh, that's tricky. And also because I feel like I'm going to sound really,
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I'm not sure what the word is that I'm looking for, not pretentious,
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but something like that.
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If I say that, I think I've been practicing for so long that it's almost automatic,
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like this spiritual aspect.
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I think also I deeply believe that when we let go or let,
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I really like let be because let go infers that
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we still have control over something if we're letting it go you
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know it's like oh i still have control over these things where if we're letting
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it be i feel there's more capacity for dissolution and less ownership in that
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but i think it is a spiritual thing one of the principles or we call them yamas
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and niyamas they're like the do's and don'ts of of theoretical yoga,
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but one of them is ishvara planidhana and it loosely translates as surrender to god.
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And it's so often that i
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i don't want to
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hold on to this stuff i don't want to be thinking about
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something that happened at work on my run i don't want
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to be interfered in a mental or spiritual or
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energetic capacity so i think i've just it's
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it's i don't even know if it's conscious anymore in all
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honesty it's just this this is
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the bubble this is the running bubble this is my therapy it's my medicine it's
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a safe space let's go it's beautiful kate and and thank you for unpacking it
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more i've heard you talk about boundaries on other podcasts and i really enjoyed the way that you,
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described boundaries and what you've just alluded to then is similar that this
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is your time And there's a boundary there that's like, work thoughts,
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you're not going to take this run off me.
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Life, all this stuff, this is my space. Could you relate the boundary work that you're able to help?
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Obviously, you've helped other people with it, but can you teach that how,
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I hope I'm articulating this well, how the boundary we can use in our life to
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hold ourselves is also the same one that you take running, if it is the same or similar?
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Yeah. And look, I think it's interesting, right? Because I actually still really
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struggle with boundaries. I'm very good at walls. I'm like, I'm putting a wall up.
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This is like, oh, there's, is there a gate for this person?
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Maybe. Oh, I'm trying to remember a quote.
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It was by a new age spiritual teacher and it was something like.
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Big gate. I think she swore in there, but I'm trying not to swear. Big gate,
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big white picket fence and something about it, like a big fence, big gate, you know?
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And I think it's about the boundaries really, I've come to learn the gate and
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what I let in and what I let out is what's important.
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But I also think it's just about creating a space of safety for oneself as well.
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And like that bubble, right?
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It's that bubble. It's not a hard fixed wall that no one can come in or out
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of, but it is this protective kind of casing that you can energize when you need it.
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And when I do a lot of boundary work, if I'm working with people,
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a lot of that is visualization.
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I do love visualization. Visualization has been a huge part of a trained in
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a tantric tradition for about 10 years with a beautiful, beautiful teacher,
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Sally Kempton, who unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago.
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But a lot of the traditional tantric work that comes from traditional sutras
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or traditional texts is visual.
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And I think, yeah, a lot of that is available to us with application.
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Sorry, Kate, keep going. I also just think the best boundary is no.
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Like no such a simple word
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that means so so much
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and I think we can say it to
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ourselves as well like even you know
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when my mind does wonder whether that's on a run or elsewhere just saying no
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no not now now's not the right time for this so many people just breathe out
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when you said that because I think you should get permission for people to say it's okay to say no.
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And when you said to yourself, can you, let's stay with this.
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I want you to talk more to that because it definitely resonated with me how
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a thought might come in and then there's many different ways of things we can do with that thought.
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But for you, is it a simple no, not now? Or do you put a boundary in with a thought?
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I mean, it depends.
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It really depends. and you know when I
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talk about having done hard things I've done a few vipassana sits
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and vipassana is a particular type of buddhist meditation where
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you you go it's very rigorous like it
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is it it it's hard like you want to do something hard try sitting for 10 days
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and you know here I was being a runner and they were like you can't do physical
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exercise you can't even do yoga asana So I'm just like walking this path at
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Blackheath for every break we get.
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Rain, shine, whatever temperature.
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I'm like, I have 30 minutes. I'm going to walk back and forth along this path.
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And the reason I share that is because I'm thinking about all the different
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types of meditation that I've studied, which are quite a few.
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And some of them are very harsh, right? Some of them are very directive in the
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way that they go about blocking out anything else.
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And some of them are very encompassing, like let everything in.
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Like Tantra is very much like that. Tantra is like, this is the spiritual feminine
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force. You can let it in and let it play and, you know, let it be,
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give it a home and let it flow through you.
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So I think I've taken a little from all of them.
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I'm so sorry to anyone who's listening to this out there who's like very rigid
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in their meditation lineage. I'm so sorry. I have taken from a lot.
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But, you know, it's been 20 plus years that I've been discovering these lineages
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and kind of tasting them and taking what I think is right for me. and at different times.
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But I think there is a place for us, especially if something is harmful, right?
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Especially if that repetitive thought or that obsessive thought or whatever
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it is that keeps going around. And that could be about ourselves.
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It could be the way we're turning towards ourselves. It could be a relationship
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that we're in or I guess any form of toxicity,
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right I think there is a place for
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us internally to just say no like this
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isn't the time that I want to spend thinking about
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this or you know if I'm wanting to be
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really present with my kids but I'm thinking about this date that I went on
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last week it's like actually now isn't the time that I want to be taken away
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from what's in front of me whether that is my kids or whether that is a run,
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or whether that is my yoga practice,
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or a meditation sit, or just washing the dishes.
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I think there's so much potential for us to be present with what is.
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And to really set those boundaries with the intention of moving towards what's healthy for us.
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So I don't think there's like a hard fast, this is right, this is wrong.
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I think it's about becoming aware of how and where we are in that moment and
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assessing like, is this the time that I want to spend on this?
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Or is this time that could be better spent being
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present to where I am and
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what I'm doing and i think ultimately being
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present is probably probably the
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way to go it's a beautiful answer wow i
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want to take that concept into running again
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starting with starting with
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this there's people out there who are training for
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a race there's a few big races coming up as you know you're training
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for one of them and the tendency
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can be for us to get attached to the outcomes
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of the race i want to finish the race in
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this time or this speed or
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or whatever which is serves a purpose and
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we set up these these deadlines or
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these times to to draw the best out of us how can
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we balance setting a
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big goal and going for it and then doing what you
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just mentioned then which was letting it go and
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coming back to the present and if you like detaching from the outcome yeah so
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you've actually just answered the question i i really love there's a yoga sutra
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i don't know if i can remember it right now but basically it says continuously practice.
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And devote yourself to continuous practice without fixating yourself on the outcome.
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So there's clear instruction that we should keep showing up every day.
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We should keep doing the training. We should keep doing the practice.
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And also we should keep, you know,
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all the other things like the running journey is, it's so big, right?
00:32:50.369 --> 00:32:53.849
Like it's not just the training,
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it's your your kit you
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know is your kit right it's are you eating right it's are
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you sleeping well and then who are you you know I've even found like for me
00:33:06.389 --> 00:33:10.189
the running practice has in itself created such beautiful boundaries because
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I no longer have space or time for things that aren't serving me no like is
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this going to bring me closer to being present to this thing that I really want to do.
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So showing up, continuing with the practice and letting go of the outcome is what the yoga sutras,
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which are a very formative text of the theoretical yoga, I guess you could say, tell us.
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And i want to say that i think it's probably
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easier to say that than it is to do it because i
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for one definitely want to run my first marathon in a particular time or at
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least under a certain time because i'm also competitive and i love pressure
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and i want that am i attached to it.
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I don't know.
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And by attachment, do you mean, can you elaborate on that?
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I think attachment is about having an expectation and then being affected if
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that expectation isn't met.
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So it's assigning uh it's
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assigning a thought pattern to a
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particular thing that we do right or
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a particular way that we want something or someone to be and you know by virtue
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of being human we attach and there's there's fantastic it's great that we do
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attach right because we're social creatures and we're meant to and and you know
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we're this is the fabric of life and also from a spiritual perspective.
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Again, that like, let it be, give it space, hand it over to God.
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There's some things that we're just not in control of.
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So as I'm applying this, because I love it, I'm just, I want to bring it into,
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let's just say I want to run, let me just give you, I want to run some 10 hour, 100 kilometer.
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And I set a 9.58 goal and I focus on it, focus on it, focus on it and it brings
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me to train better and to put all my processes in place.
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But inside, I'm like, I still want this 9.58.
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And so the attachment is in the wanting and is it in, if I get 9.58,
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then I'll be good enough or then I'll be successful.
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And then that's the first little question. The second is, I really want to get this game.
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I've set my 958. It's really important to me because I've trained so well.
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I'm doing all this work, all this work, all this work.
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How, as I'm training, do I go, yep, I've set the goal and I'm just going to
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let it be and come back to my 4x1.2k efforts with a 30-second rest?
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So are you saying, like in the first one, I hear attachment to outcome and that
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we're going to build or associate some part of our identity with the outcome?
00:36:25.814 --> 00:36:29.394
I think that's what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. And then the second one?
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The second one is, I know that I've set this goal to draw my best out.
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I'm afraid that if I let go of the big goal, I won't train as hard and won't
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become as good. That won't work as, you know, become the person I was meant to be. Ooh.
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I mean, I want to say I don't know. And I understand that outcomes drive a lot of us, you know.
00:36:56.474 --> 00:37:00.194
It's, and again, it's normal and it's natural.
00:37:00.574 --> 00:37:06.294
I think when we attach, it's what we attach to the meaning of the outcome.
00:37:07.114 --> 00:37:10.574
Yeah. that impacts us either
00:37:10.574 --> 00:37:15.014
negatively or positively yes and
00:37:15.014 --> 00:37:23.934
and then create a larger gap or a bigger bridge between what we consider to
00:37:23.934 --> 00:37:31.234
be success and what we don't I've had to work on this for years I when I was
00:37:31.234 --> 00:37:34.554
a teenager I remember and I'm I'm a really moody person.
00:37:34.834 --> 00:37:38.094
I've always been really moody and I'm grateful to running that I can start out
00:37:38.094 --> 00:37:41.054
on a run in a terrible mood and finish my run so high.
00:37:41.354 --> 00:37:46.354
So, you know, again, thank you to the gods of running who obviously enjoys pressure,
00:37:46.514 --> 00:37:52.574
but had to learn it quite early as a teenager competing in sport at a high level that, you know, you...
00:37:53.795 --> 00:37:57.135
You have to make peace with the outcome at some point. Otherwise it's just going
00:37:57.135 --> 00:38:00.735
to, or, or use it for fuel.
00:38:01.115 --> 00:38:06.075
You know, if you can't make peace with it, then use it for fuel.
00:38:06.395 --> 00:38:09.815
And I think for a long time, that's just what I did.
00:38:10.195 --> 00:38:14.375
But I think eventually we have to make peace with ourselves and on a holistic
00:38:14.375 --> 00:38:20.755
level, you know, this isn't the only place in your life where you are training towards something.
00:38:20.755 --> 00:38:23.595
And can you take the lessons that
00:38:23.595 --> 00:38:26.815
you learn in every run not just one run you
00:38:26.815 --> 00:38:30.135
know it's like when people assume someone's personality
00:38:30.135 --> 00:38:33.035
based on one thing they've done okay look
00:38:33.035 --> 00:38:35.855
at all the other things they've done you know is it
00:38:35.855 --> 00:38:41.275
fair and just that we look at one race and judge ourself on that one performance
00:38:41.275 --> 00:38:46.735
I don't think so because I think everybody knows that there's a combination
00:38:46.735 --> 00:38:53.115
of factors that can play into one single race so yes we can train as hard as we can,
00:38:54.015 --> 00:38:58.275
and keep an eye on that outcome and know
00:38:58.275 --> 00:39:02.395
that at the end of the day what
00:39:02.395 --> 00:39:10.315
happens on that one day is due to factors somewhat determinable and somewhat
00:39:10.315 --> 00:39:15.295
undeterminable you know and I think the thing that we can take responsibility
00:39:15.295 --> 00:39:20.315
for is how present we've been to the process and how well we've shown up to it.
00:39:21.535 --> 00:39:27.575
And then kind of let the rest be. I find the temperature really affects my running.
00:39:27.775 --> 00:39:30.175
You know, it's, I'm slow when it's cold.
00:39:30.835 --> 00:39:33.835
Simple as that. It takes time for my body to warm up.
00:39:34.675 --> 00:39:38.615
I can't change that. I mean, I could, yeah, okay. I could do a warmup run.
00:39:38.755 --> 00:39:41.235
I could, I could do some breathing to warm my body.
00:39:41.395 --> 00:39:46.215
I could, you know, I could do all of those things. Sure, but fundamentally, you know.
00:39:47.512 --> 00:39:50.892
Think yeah i hope
00:39:50.892 --> 00:39:53.672
that answered your question it's a beautiful answer your original i
00:39:53.672 --> 00:39:58.452
don't know turned into one of the most thoughtful answers of that's just tremendously
00:39:58.452 --> 00:40:05.132
helpful i try to know i try i try to at least figure it out let's say that and
00:40:05.132 --> 00:40:09.432
i think there's still a lot of things i'm figuring out and again you know running
00:40:09.432 --> 00:40:12.612
is grateful for grateful for running for that I think as well,
00:40:13.112 --> 00:40:18.912
reconciling your why, like reconciling why it is that you're doing what you're doing.
00:40:19.532 --> 00:40:26.392
But yeah, for me, the training and the journey of it all is so all a part of it.
00:40:26.592 --> 00:40:29.432
You know, it's all a part of it. It's not just this.
00:40:30.412 --> 00:40:34.852
Yeah, the run, the race is amazing, right? We get to compete against each other.
00:40:34.992 --> 00:40:40.392
It's fun where it's like, you know, being at church or something.
00:40:40.392 --> 00:40:44.232
I don't know, you know, you're with your people and we're all hitting this pavement and it's fun.
00:40:46.052 --> 00:40:51.632
But it's only one run. It's just one run. Very helpful. So good, Kate.
00:40:52.032 --> 00:40:55.272
I want to ask more about your why.
00:40:55.472 --> 00:41:01.652
You've given us so much about what running gives you and how well-rounded it is in your life.
00:41:01.732 --> 00:41:05.152
But is there more specifics about why you run?
00:41:05.752 --> 00:41:11.952
I think, you know, I think sharing how I came back to running last year would
00:41:11.952 --> 00:41:15.072
maybe be helpful at this point.
00:41:16.032 --> 00:41:20.272
I, last year was a real train wreck for me. There were a lot of changes and
00:41:20.272 --> 00:41:22.192
a lot of endings, actually.
00:41:22.452 --> 00:41:29.272
A lot of things that I had been really attached to actually came to an end either
00:41:29.272 --> 00:41:32.892
of my own volition or things outside of me,
00:41:34.392 --> 00:41:38.472
and it was a hard time mentally and,
00:41:39.284 --> 00:41:46.084
And in amongst that all, there was some light. I met someone who was a runner and became a lover.
00:41:47.584 --> 00:41:56.624
And I watched him and his discipline and his devotion to training and the diet
00:41:56.624 --> 00:42:01.644
and all of those things. And I was like, I remember that.
00:42:01.744 --> 00:42:04.444
I remember that anchor. I remember what that felt like.
00:42:05.564 --> 00:42:09.124
And so I was like, okay, I'm going to run a half marathon. That's right.
00:42:09.124 --> 00:42:10.284
The Sydney Marathon was on.
00:42:10.444 --> 00:42:14.304
And I was like, I'm just going to run the half without any training. I'm going to see how I go.
00:42:15.144 --> 00:42:18.224
I've never run a half before. We'll just see what happens.
00:42:18.824 --> 00:42:25.164
And they scratched the half last year so that they could make the marathon one of the big seven.
00:42:25.804 --> 00:42:28.244
It is seven, right? Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:30.204 --> 00:42:35.864
And anyway, I was like, okay, well, what's the next half marathon that I can run in?
00:42:36.004 --> 00:42:38.304
And there was one in Melbourne and I adore Melbourne.
00:42:39.984 --> 00:42:43.104
But the registrations had completely closed they were
00:42:43.104 --> 00:42:45.944
completely full couldn't get in couldn't get in and
00:42:45.944 --> 00:42:49.144
I was like furiously trying to find a ticket for this Melbourne half it was
00:42:49.144 --> 00:42:54.104
five weeks away at this point right and turns out the only way you could get
00:42:54.104 --> 00:43:00.204
in was to fundraise and I was like yeah cool I can do that and beyond blue was
00:43:00.204 --> 00:43:04.004
one of the the groups that you could fundraise for?
00:43:04.364 --> 00:43:05.784
And I was like, you know what? I
00:43:05.784 --> 00:43:10.104
was so stuck in my own head for all these challenges I was going through.
00:43:10.224 --> 00:43:14.164
And I was like, you know what? If I can help someone else, this is an even better reason to run.
00:43:14.704 --> 00:43:18.704
And so that's what I did. And everybody got behind me and my friends and family,
00:43:18.864 --> 00:43:21.504
bless them. Thank you. All of you was amazing.
00:43:23.004 --> 00:43:25.984
And we had to raise, I think, over a thousand dollars
00:43:25.984 --> 00:43:29.484
to qualify to run and that was done within
00:43:29.484 --> 00:43:35.924
I think I think we raised like almost a thousand in a day which was really cool
00:43:35.924 --> 00:43:41.464
and again thank you to everybody else because it actually wasn't me at all but
00:43:41.464 --> 00:43:49.064
that's what kind of drew me back into running was having that anchor and the discipline again,
00:43:49.384 --> 00:43:52.164
and also the mental side of it.
00:43:52.404 --> 00:43:55.844
Like, it's very easy to give in to yourself, I think.
00:43:57.504 --> 00:44:05.324
And being able to know that I was doing it for someone else and for a bigger reason is...
00:44:06.030 --> 00:44:11.590
Like it was unquestionable. Wow. What a great word.
00:44:12.370 --> 00:44:15.290
Yeah. Can you finish that story for us?
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Oh, yeah. So I ran the half marathon.
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I wanted to do it in sub two. I'm not like ridiculously fast or anything like
00:44:24.890 --> 00:44:28.390
that. I did it in sub two. I did it in I think it was 150.
00:44:28.790 --> 00:44:33.010
So I was really proud of myself for that for a first half and did it in negative
00:44:33.010 --> 00:44:35.550
splits, which I was also really proud about.
00:44:35.550 --> 00:44:38.450
Tony Booth would be so proud of me because we always trained to negative
00:44:38.450 --> 00:44:41.710
splits so lucky me that's naturally how
00:44:41.710 --> 00:44:44.510
it happened but I also had
00:44:44.510 --> 00:44:47.610
this really again like flow state
00:44:47.610 --> 00:44:50.350
moment where I you know I had listened to all of your
00:44:50.350 --> 00:44:53.210
podcasts so I'd been doing all this extra stuff and you
00:44:53.210 --> 00:44:56.070
know all the intention setting and
00:44:56.070 --> 00:44:58.790
softening my body and having I had a mantra that I
00:44:58.790 --> 00:45:01.790
used and but I had this moment
00:45:01.790 --> 00:45:04.790
where I could and I
00:45:04.790 --> 00:45:07.670
know I don't know this might sound a bit cringe I'm not sure but
00:45:07.670 --> 00:45:10.470
I've just felt love I felt
00:45:10.470 --> 00:45:13.690
love come through me and I felt the love of
00:45:13.690 --> 00:45:16.670
all of the people that know me
00:45:16.670 --> 00:45:20.430
that love me and I felt the love of the
00:45:20.430 --> 00:45:23.490
people that I don't yet know that might love
00:45:23.490 --> 00:45:30.650
me and the love that I have for them and the reciprocity in that and it just
00:45:30.650 --> 00:45:39.470
felt so free and open and I was like oh yeah this is why like this is why I
00:45:39.470 --> 00:45:43.130
run to feel this you know this is it's.
00:45:43.786 --> 00:45:46.826
And at that stage, I didn't even know how, at what time I was going to come
00:45:46.826 --> 00:45:50.686
in at, you know, I think this happened at about, I think we was somewhere near
00:45:50.686 --> 00:45:54.486
Albert Park or maybe towards the end of coming out of Albert Park,
00:45:54.686 --> 00:45:57.646
which I think is, I don't know, like maybe 15 kilometers or something.
00:45:58.566 --> 00:46:04.606
But I just completely, like, I just, it was like something else came through
00:46:04.606 --> 00:46:10.306
me and And I just let that come through me and I just kept running.
00:46:12.066 --> 00:46:16.606
So, yeah, I don't know. Does everybody else out there have these things when they run?
00:46:18.386 --> 00:46:22.306
I'd love to know. They want to have what you just described.
00:46:22.626 --> 00:46:24.366
That's a really beautiful story.
00:46:24.906 --> 00:46:30.246
Is that related to yoga? Is that an experience that you've had in your teaching?
00:46:31.286 --> 00:46:36.526
Oh, for sure, for sure. Like I think actually it more happens in practice,
00:46:36.826 --> 00:46:39.706
if I'm honest, definitely I've had moments like that teaching,
00:46:40.006 --> 00:46:44.046
especially when you teach in a really beautiful space or if it's out in the
00:46:44.046 --> 00:46:47.046
open or, you know, it's really easy to access that.
00:46:47.526 --> 00:46:52.446
But mostly those experiences have been with really highly qualified teachers
00:46:52.446 --> 00:46:56.586
and it's almost like a transmission, right?
00:46:57.306 --> 00:47:02.866
Which is how a lot of the information gets passed in the yoga meditation world.
00:47:03.326 --> 00:47:07.826
The teacher has to have gotten to a certain point in themselves to enable the
00:47:07.826 --> 00:47:09.806
student to also evolve to that
00:47:09.806 --> 00:47:15.246
next kind of level or that deeper layer or however you want to imagine it.
00:47:15.766 --> 00:47:22.366
But I think it's the sense that we're not separate from anything or anyone.
00:47:23.026 --> 00:47:28.886
The sense of separation that we create is almost like an illusion. Yeah.
00:47:29.931 --> 00:47:34.291
And that letting be or that surrendering and opening yourself to what's coming
00:47:34.291 --> 00:47:40.671
through and how is essentially, yeah,
00:47:40.811 --> 00:47:45.591
the sense of connection, which I love, you know,
00:47:45.771 --> 00:47:50.131
because especially since COVID, like there's been so much talk about isolation
00:47:50.131 --> 00:47:52.591
and disconnection and all of those things.
00:47:52.591 --> 00:47:57.671
And I think to have somewhere where we can feel that connected,
00:47:57.671 --> 00:48:00.491
for me, it's certainly a really beautiful thing.
00:48:01.471 --> 00:48:06.771
It's absolutely beautiful. And as you're speaking, one of my mentors,
00:48:06.951 --> 00:48:09.731
Lawrence, always, one of his things is run with an open heart.
00:48:10.071 --> 00:48:16.911
And it's something that I've really embraced in my training because it just
00:48:16.911 --> 00:48:20.971
feels so good. It feels like it's not just my heart opening.
00:48:21.111 --> 00:48:23.731
It's like something else comes with that.
00:48:24.391 --> 00:48:33.531
And you were speaking then. I was like, how do we capture that and remember
00:48:33.531 --> 00:48:36.531
that it's a state we can access whenever we want?
00:48:37.451 --> 00:48:42.191
Is there a process or is it, again, just a practice as you've said in the past?
00:48:42.691 --> 00:48:46.671
So I'm going to get teachery on you now. I apologize.
00:48:46.951 --> 00:48:53.231
Please do. The desire to have it all the time is a form of attachment in itself. Yes, right.
00:48:53.671 --> 00:48:58.731
And I've noticed so many times in my meditation practice where I have this moment
00:48:58.731 --> 00:49:03.571
where I'm like, I'm having like an out-of-body experience.
00:49:03.791 --> 00:49:07.251
How amazing. And as soon as that voice comes, it's over.
00:49:08.794 --> 00:49:14.734
As soon as that conscious, oh, this thing's amazing, look at it,
00:49:14.794 --> 00:49:22.514
I want to capture it, it just, you know, it's like sand through your fingers, like it's gone.
00:49:24.434 --> 00:49:32.754
So I feel that to enable the experience, again, it is the non-grasping,
00:49:33.054 --> 00:49:35.374
you know, it is the non-attachment.
00:49:35.374 --> 00:49:42.714
And I might also add that in yoga theory, attachment and aversion tend to come hand in hand.
00:49:42.914 --> 00:49:48.534
So not wanting is as limiting as wanting, right?
00:49:48.654 --> 00:49:52.394
So avoiding or ignoring or not wanting is as limiting as wanting.
00:49:53.114 --> 00:49:57.714
Just to add a, you know, extra twist.
00:49:57.714 --> 00:50:01.654
That's fascinating like deep in
00:50:01.654 --> 00:50:04.514
the plot yoga theory is like the most
00:50:04.514 --> 00:50:07.634
plot twisting thing ever and so is the yoga practice you
00:50:07.634 --> 00:50:10.714
know you do one pose it's like I remember learning to do.
00:50:10.714 --> 00:50:13.754
A headstand and then my teacher was like okay lotus with
00:50:13.754 --> 00:50:16.514
your legs and I was like what do you mean lotus with my
00:50:16.514 --> 00:50:20.374
legs I've just learned to stand on my head so
00:50:20.374 --> 00:50:23.334
there's always and then it's like getting into the lotus
00:50:23.334 --> 00:50:26.174
while you're in a headstand and then getting out of the lotus
00:50:26.174 --> 00:50:29.714
while you're in heads down without falling over and then there's go
00:50:29.714 --> 00:50:32.614
to this and it's oh wow this is you know it just
00:50:32.614 --> 00:50:35.894
keeps going and going but I think it's about I
00:50:35.894 --> 00:50:38.674
think that's what it's about right that's what life is about like life is about
00:50:38.674 --> 00:50:41.714
just it's continuing just continue just keep
00:50:41.714 --> 00:50:45.914
going you know and and keep
00:50:45.914 --> 00:50:48.854
going in a way that's meaningful for you that's not
00:50:48.854 --> 00:50:52.854
attached to an outcome that's harmful or you
00:50:52.854 --> 00:50:55.734
know yeah it's as
00:50:55.734 --> 00:50:58.534
you were just talking about that non-wanting and wanting i was
00:50:58.534 --> 00:51:01.654
thinking about when you're running and the pain comes
00:51:01.654 --> 00:51:04.694
as you described before and what you
00:51:04.694 --> 00:51:10.274
told us before was you're able to kind of go into the pain and be curious about
00:51:10.274 --> 00:51:14.994
the pain because not wanting it would be that aversion that you spoke to right
00:51:14.994 --> 00:51:20.954
and and how as runners we can build our relationship with the pain instead of
00:51:20.954 --> 00:51:23.574
being fearful of it and seeing it as a threat.
00:51:24.974 --> 00:51:30.874
Yeah. Look, I'm not going to lie. It's not easy because the pain is a factor
00:51:30.874 --> 00:51:34.094
that I could use as an excuse, right?
00:51:34.274 --> 00:51:38.174
And I could use as a like, oh, my foot's really sore today.
00:51:38.874 --> 00:51:41.854
I'm not going to go out or my foot's really sore.
00:51:42.014 --> 00:51:44.394
I'm going to slow down or I'm going to back up or I'm going to,
00:51:44.394 --> 00:51:46.974
Which, you know, there's space for as well.
00:51:48.034 --> 00:51:52.474
I think it has been really hard for me mentally to adapt to the injury, I'm not going to lie.
00:51:53.833 --> 00:52:00.213
But what's come out of it is a lot more knowledge about my body and a lot more
00:52:00.213 --> 00:52:04.273
understanding about how to manage and maintain myself.
00:52:04.713 --> 00:52:07.993
You know, I have this whole rhythm that I do in the evening,
00:52:07.993 --> 00:52:10.053
which is just about my foot.
00:52:10.273 --> 00:52:16.313
You know, it's releasing with a ball and toe spaces and all these sorts of things.
00:52:16.473 --> 00:52:20.873
It's self-massage, it's exercises, it's, you know, and it's also,
00:52:21.493 --> 00:52:24.633
I know I've gone off pissed here I'm sorry but it's also
00:52:24.633 --> 00:52:27.513
having had to build a team around me
00:52:27.513 --> 00:52:30.333
that's the other thing so I had really bad shin
00:52:30.333 --> 00:52:33.253
splints when I was training as a teen and I was thinking about this
00:52:33.253 --> 00:52:38.573
the other day in lieu of this conversation but my mom had me a physio and a
00:52:38.573 --> 00:52:43.173
massage therapist and like she's just incredible like that and the massage therapist
00:52:43.173 --> 00:52:48.493
actually side note I'm even more off piss but anyway the massage therapist that
00:52:48.493 --> 00:52:50.713
I had at the time was also doing the Brisbane Broncos.
00:52:51.533 --> 00:52:54.933
And she used to say to me that out of everybody she massaged,
00:52:55.053 --> 00:52:56.113
I had the highest pain threshold.
00:52:56.273 --> 00:52:59.673
She was like, you can take anything. And I was like, thank you so much.
00:53:01.333 --> 00:53:06.433
I wish that wasn't the case. So I think though, I've learned the value of having
00:53:06.433 --> 00:53:08.073
a really strong team as well,
00:53:08.413 --> 00:53:12.573
you know, and I think everybody needs that, whether it's just people in your
00:53:12.573 --> 00:53:15.973
life or whether it's an actual, you know, mine all happen to be people that
00:53:15.973 --> 00:53:19.013
I pay to take care of me on top of what I do for myself.
00:53:19.773 --> 00:53:27.093
But coming back to the pain and, you know, again, it's kind of,
00:53:27.233 --> 00:53:31.193
I take the perspective of like, oh, well, I'm here. This is a part of it.
00:53:31.713 --> 00:53:36.473
I'm going to keep going anyway. And I'm going to draw on the strengths and I'm
00:53:36.473 --> 00:53:39.433
going to let whatever will be, be,
00:53:40.987 --> 00:53:45.847
I'm going to keep running. I'm going to keep going. Yeah. Because it would suck
00:53:45.847 --> 00:53:48.167
to walk home or I'm going to have to Uber.
00:53:51.307 --> 00:53:55.427
I'm going to cycle back to the Melbourne half before we go forward.
00:53:55.967 --> 00:54:01.587
Yeah. What you spoke to was a grounding and a discipline in what you saw in
00:54:01.587 --> 00:54:07.307
the runner that you met and how he was devoted and his diet and his training.
00:54:07.687 --> 00:54:10.687
And you remember that that was what you loved about it.
00:54:11.307 --> 00:54:15.827
And the discipline, I feel, is like a grounding that running gives us.
00:54:16.087 --> 00:54:21.347
But you also speak to this openness and this connection to something higher than us.
00:54:22.087 --> 00:54:26.847
And I wonder how we can, as runners, I feel like most of us,
00:54:27.227 --> 00:54:29.927
we might not be that great, but the discipline we kind of get,
00:54:30.087 --> 00:54:37.507
but how do we build a connection in a spiritual way without getting too here
00:54:37.507 --> 00:54:40.307
and the groundedness, if that makes sense?
00:54:40.927 --> 00:54:45.767
Yeah. So I'm thinking back to that yoga sutra that I was thinking about,
00:54:45.927 --> 00:54:50.387
which talks about practice and discipline and perseverance, Abhyasa,
00:54:50.687 --> 00:54:55.907
and Vairagya, which is the detachment and non-attachment, right?
00:54:55.987 --> 00:54:59.947
So these two things, these two, and it's the balance of them, right?
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They're both considered essential for the journey and the growth.
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And so the discipline is what tethers us, right? And, yeah, I really did see
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that in him and I was so in awe.
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That was the other thing. I was so, I was like, oh, yeah, that.
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I want that again. Like I want that thing.
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And the detachment, which is that, you know, I'm –,
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I'm not, it's essentially an attachment to the ego.
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Right. Right. And the ego believing that things have to be in a certain way
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in order for anything to be any other way.
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And that dissolution, that opening, I know you're asking me how.
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Practice. Practice. when
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I run my mantra is let go let flow let go let flow let go let flow let go let
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flow because it's like this invitation to soften and to keep going right so
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it's just this continuous,
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it is essentially you know what I've never put this together but it
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is essentially abhyasa and viagra it is essentially these
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two things right it is perseverance or practice
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and detachment because it's
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this invitation to not
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hold on and to be open but to
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keep going you know just keep going I
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think that's the the the one thing
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you know we can't get anywhere
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if we don't keep going and also if
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we hold so tight to one thing we're gonna
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lose that thing you know it's inevitable like if we're holding so tightly to
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one thing i think we limit ourselves to everything else that could be you know
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on a wider scale wow thank you okay okay it's amazing.
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And yoga yeah every single
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runner needs to not just stretch more but yoga is more it's not what yoga can
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do for our running can you bring these two things together for us and tell me
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how they how they like evolve us together yeah i mean so physiologically and
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someone else can probably,
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describe this better so i'm not going to pretend that i'm anything more than
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i am But physiologically.
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You know, the muscles contract when we run and running is very linear.
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As far as I know, we're all running in one direction. Kudos to those of you
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who are like doing side runs or running from side to side or backwards or I'm
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not sure. But it's very repetitive.
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And yoga can also be repetitive. But I think when used as an addendum to running,
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it is a space for us to explore the body and open the body in ways that then
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release the physical tension so that we can perform better.
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I certainly know that for me since I've
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been so disciplined with my training I've also
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become more disciplined with my yoga practice because every
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other day I actually can't do five runs a week
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just mainly because of my foot so I do every second day and then I toggle between
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running and yoga and most days that I don't run I'll just roll out of bed and
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I put on one of the playlists that I made from when I was teaching full-time and I just move.
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I never have a specific structure in mind.
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I just move and I listen to my body and it's like, where am I stuck today? Where am I stuck?
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Where do I want to open? Where do I? And I feel really
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blessed to have had the training that I've had so that
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I'm at that place where I don't need instruction and it
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all does come very much from within and I
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just yeah I follow my body which is
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beautiful and I think we all have potential
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for that I actually I'm probably sending some
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yoga teachers out of business when I say this but yoga essentially
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is a practice that's designed for itself and there's
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some instruction that's required obviously for some time
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before you can kind of
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get to that level I guess but I feel very
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lucky that insofar as the two of them go there
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is this creation of tension and pressure and then the release of tension and
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pressure so they're really a beautiful pair I think yeah and I mean I would
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say that right because I love them both they're my loves and yeah.
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But also if you look at it, you know, from a Chinese medicine perspective,
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running is inherently yang.
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There is the active, you know, kind of forceful,
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masculine dominated movement aspect of running versus the potential for yoga
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to be very much yin and to rest, to recover, to reset.
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To balance out the sympathetic nervous system.
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Because I think as well that's something we haven't talked about at all
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but the nervous system is such a huge player in all of this and
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I definitely notice you know the effect that running
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can have on my nervous system and just
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being able to balance the you know
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the sympathetic and the parasympathetic or at least activate the
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parasympathetic which we can do through simple deep
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reading but which so often I think
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works to our benefit in conjunction with
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asana or physical poses and then
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if you look energetically at it you know you're just freeing up the body you're
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freeing you're freeing up your your physical body your energy
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body your mental body there's a
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lot of bodies in yoga you have brought it together so well in this conversation
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about those two energies as you say and i think you've really embodied so much
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for us i'm gonna have to listen to this at least three or four times because
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you've shared so much honestly so much wisdom.
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Thank you. You're welcome. I hope that for anyone listening that it leaves them
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with something, an impression of some kind that is meaningful and useful for
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whatever practice they engage in.
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I have no doubt, Kate, at all. It certainly has made a huge impression on me. Thank you so much.
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So for people who want to connect with you, how do they do that?
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How can we learn more from you and how can somebody reach out to you?
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That's a great question. I'm very not visible on social media.
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Mainly out of choice. I find that my mind functions better, my psychology works
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better when I have less time in those spaces.
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I did recently open up a Strava account.
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Actually opening it up so I can see what my name is on there.
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I am Kate George in Sydney, Australia.
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You're always welcome to connect with me there.
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And of course, I would love to offer your listeners the opportunity to work
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with me in a running yoga context.
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If there's any of you out there who would love to touch base about yoga,
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I do work privately with people.
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So more than happy to extend a special
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offer for listeners as well but yeah it would
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be my absolute delight also if anyone out there just wants
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to talk about running like I could talk about running all day
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whenever someone engages me in a conversation about running
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I'm like hey respectfully how much time do
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you want to spend in this conversation because I could go
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all day my stamina is is real
01:03:06.006 --> 01:03:09.526
so yes please feel free to reach out amazing
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we'll put your details in the show notes for how
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people can contact you is that okay i would love that before
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we go i have to ask about your upcoming marathon we
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haven't even touched on that yeah i mean
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look how deep do you want to go because i was training for i think six weeks
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and i'd been doing five runs a week and then all of a sudden i was like i'm
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so tired I don't think I can do this and I had a full plateau I was like I don't
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know like I can't keep going like this it's.
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Of course, the instant thing was, can I do this? Wow.
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Can I do this? You know, it was like this, can I even do this?
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And why did I think that I needed to run 42 kilometers to prove anything to myself?
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You know, like in what world would I need to do that? You know,
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like it's such a long distance.
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That was kind of, I got to this point where I was just like,
01:04:03.998 --> 01:04:07.858
oh my word, like what, why, why am I doing this again?
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So I had a moment. I definitely had a moment. And I also had this moment where
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I was like, I'm so sick of running slow. I'm sick of running slow.
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I just want to run fast again. So I just, I went, I went off pissed. I do what I do.
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I went, I went and I was like, okay, girl, you want to run fast?
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Here's your week's training. And I just made myself a new training program for that week.
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And I set some really clear time-related goals.
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And I was like, you get a week to run fast and then you're going back to your normal training plan.
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But I think it was also that eating's really
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hard you know in yoga we eat less rather than
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more I think the Ayurveda which is the sister science of
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yoga the Ayurvedic rule is two thumbs or
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like two fists worth is what that you should
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eat and like kind of have to eat 20 times a
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day two fists worth of food the amount of running that I'm doing so
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for me adjusting to all of that
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has been quite different this time around
01:05:07.798 --> 01:05:10.618
rather than like the five-week crazy block that I did
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where I ended up with runner's knee anyway last year so
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I ended up running the half with runner's knee but I'm uninjured touch wood
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at this stage and the training is is back on it's it's back on in the normal
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routine but I think you know I'm nervous actually and I'm nervous and I also I'm nervous.
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The things I've said I just trust you
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know the experience will be whatever it's meant to be I
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don't I don't know I don't know and I
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can't know and I would exhaust my
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brain trying to know so I'm just
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going to keep doing what I'm doing and try
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and enjoy as much of it as I can and embrace
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what I don't enjoy knowing that that is also part of
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it and see what happens on the
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what is it the 6th the 7th of July I think it's the
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6th of July yeah that's all
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I'm also running a half in two weeks at the
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Great Ocean Road which I'm super excited for wow but that should be pretty I'm
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just looking for it I'm like you know what it's not going to be a PB it's super
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hilly I'm just going to go I'm taking my new sneakers for a run and it's a Sunday
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it's going to be beautiful beautiful way to spend a Sunday morning what are
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you running in can we ask you.
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What shoes you're wearing at the moment oh so i like
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i said i toggled with you between a few pairs and
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mostly that's because of my foot and the ongoing changes that
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i'm just trying to find a pair that you know are are
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the pair um but my latest love affair is
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with a pair of asics gel nimbus sevens
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and i took them out for the first time
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i think i did 11ks on the weekend it was an hour
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or whatever and they were
01:07:00.031 --> 01:07:03.171
quality and my foot felt good after them
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which is a big it's a big thing so I'm
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thinking about running in them but also the gentleman
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at the store did show me another pair that looked really good
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which were a new balance pair and he said they would be
01:07:15.311 --> 01:07:18.251
great race day shoes and I was like
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hey do not buy two sneakers at once
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you're coming that just just ethically don't
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buy two pairs of shoes at once have some discipline
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because yeah I love
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them I love them so yeah
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that's the that's what's happening I've also I'm really excited sorry just to
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tag this on the end have booked myself a little cabin in the Blue Mountains
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hinterland for three days following the Gold Coast Marathon and I am planning
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on recording spending that time to record a podcast.
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Yes. So please keep your ears open for the morning adorning.
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I don't know how or when or what that's going to come to life, but it is my next baby.
01:08:05.475 --> 01:08:10.175
I also am working on my second book and have started a third one.
01:08:10.335 --> 01:08:14.955
So I have a published book called The Mama Sutras, which is little,
01:08:14.955 --> 01:08:19.535
you know, bite-sized pieces of wisdom from motherhood and yoga.
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And then the second book I'm writing is about basically the same,
01:08:23.555 --> 01:08:25.635
but going through breakups or separations.
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And then the third one is going to be all about running.
01:08:28.655 --> 01:08:34.515
So yes, maybe we can talk again when I'm partway through that.
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I can't wait to talk again. It's been something.
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And I don't want to disregard that beautiful piece of wisdom you said before
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I asked you the very uninspiring question of what shoes you're wearing about
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how to let the race happen and just let it – Yes.
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And for you to be able to be comfortable with our uncertainty and let it do
01:09:00.575 --> 01:09:03.115
its thing, I'm going to listen to that.
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Like there's so much wisdom you just gave
01:09:06.055 --> 01:09:09.335
in that little part before I took it to running shoes so Kate I
01:09:09.335 --> 01:09:14.095
just thank you so much for this incredible conversation I'm blown away thank
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you I feel like I did most of the talking so thank you for holding space for
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that and also shoes are absolutely inspiring give me more shoes any shoe sponsors
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out there like I will talk about your shoes all day long.
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I will love your shoes. Just kidding.
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But yeah, thanks so much, Rob. It's been a real honor. It's been amazing.
01:09:35.975 --> 01:09:39.455
And I'll put all the links with how people can find you and your book and your
01:09:39.455 --> 01:09:40.855
upcoming podcast, second book.
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We'll follow your race, two races that you've mentioned.
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And definitely if it's resonated with you, get in touch with Kate for the yoga
01:09:48.655 --> 01:09:50.495
for runners that she can help you with.
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And as you can tell, it's not just about the yoga it's about working with Kate
01:09:55.495 --> 01:10:00.795
from a completely different level than just doing yoga Kate you're one in a
01:10:00.795 --> 01:10:07.515
billion thank you so so much and wait see you hit that marathon and then what
01:10:07.515 --> 01:10:10.475
you do in the future thanks Rob thanks everyone.
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Thanks for listening to the mindset for runners podcast i
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hope you got something practical and useful out of this podcast or
01:10:25.235 --> 01:10:28.835
something inspiring to help you get out for your next run if you have a question
01:10:28.835 --> 01:10:34.375
about mindset for runners or athletes in general please email me at robmason.run
01:10:34.375 --> 01:10:39.155
at gmail.com and i'll answer your question on an upcoming podcast if there's
01:10:39.155 --> 01:10:42.095
anybody you know who could benefit from the information I share in this podcast.
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