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Speaker 1: I'm not sure Government House could put up with two little sausage dogs running riot.
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Speaker 2: Good morning.
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Speaker 3: Knockdown Bill 2 with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it.
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Speaker 4: All for you.
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Speaker 5: Live from Hindmarsh Square, it's 5AA Breakfast. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 6: Well, they're going to have to work out a way to get the dogs in there and people and all the rest of the Stevens clan as well, because we have a new governor, the former. At what point does it all change? Grant Stevens, anyway.
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Speaker 7: I guess we'll find out today.
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Speaker 6: Whether he's His Excellency or the Police Commissioner will be joining us today in the studio before eight o'clock. Looking forward to talking to him about that. It's something we have spoken to him about himself. with him in the past. Stace, you specifically back in April had this exchange with the incoming Governor.
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Speaker 8: Could I soon be introducing you as His Excellency the Honourable Grant Stephens, Governor of South Australia?
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Speaker 1: It's been a prevailing rumour, which is simply that it's a rumour. I'm not sure Government House could put up with two little sausage dogs running riot in the massive yard. I think this rumour started... before the current governor took over the role. So it's been one of those things that's been around for a while.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's not life imitating art, but maybe it's a rumour that became a truth. Well, we know it is now because in September he was approached. Anyway, we'll talk to him about it. Was his mind changed? Did they have to talk him into it? This is really intriguing. Police Commissioner Grant Stephens has become the new governor and will be on the show before 8. David Koch will be on the program as well. It means we've flipped around some things. Sean Fuster after 7 o'clock today will go around the courts. Did anyone see Saturn in the sky last night? This is as good as it gets for seeing Saturn. Apparently, not only can you see it with your naked eye, but the most basic telescope out there, you can see Saturn's rings at the moment. I'm reliably informed.
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Speaker 9: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 6: So ANU.
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Speaker 6: Our wonderful guest that we love talking to, astrophysicist Brad Tucker, will join us before seven today as well. Big morning ahead. Love you to be part of it. 8223 0000. Officially good morning to you, Stace.
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Speaker 7: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 6: Bit of a shock yesterday, wasn't it?
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Speaker 10: You know what?
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Speaker 8: I saw the news and I thought I shouldn't be surprised by this, but I somewhat am because it had been a rumour for such a long period of time. I mean, yeah, as you just heard, in April, Grant Stephens and I had a conversation about it, but then- It really died down. And it seems like, yeah, a couple of weeks ago in September, the government approached him. So I wonder what happened between then and now.
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, no one really knows enough about the inner workings of how, you know, gubernatorial appointments work. But it just feels late in the process that he was approached. Four weeks ago, officially, we don't know. Maybe there'd been other sounding outs and maybe there'd been a period of wooing and Maybe he wasn't sure. Because one thing I thought was really nice, it sounded like the thing with which he grappled most with was the idea of leaving the police force at the press conference yesterday. You could tell that really tore at him, the idea of walking away from that part of his life. That had been his life for such a long period of time. So, yeah, we'll get to the bottom of that stuff when he comes in after 7.30 today. I suspect it probably means it's the end of our regular Grant Stephens catch-ups as well, end of an era on 5AA Breakfast 2. He's left us for the house.
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Speaker 7: Well, he finishes up in... Oh, he starts in December. So I wonder, is this the last time?
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Speaker 8: Or does he still keep working as police commissioner until December?
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: These are all great questions. He's out of the Adelaide Football Club. It's an exodus now out of the Adelaide Football Club. Stephen's just the latest name on the way out. I might ask him about that as well. I want to ask Stace about a rumour I've heard about Christmas decorations at your place, because I suspect you might be.
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Speaker 6: The high watermark for early Christmas decoration this year in Adelaide?
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Speaker 7: I do have my Christmas tree up, yes.
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Speaker 6: The whole tree?
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Speaker 7: The whole tree.
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Speaker 6: What, with baubles?
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Speaker 7: It's baubles.
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Speaker 6: Star on top.
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Speaker 7: It's got the decoration on top. Yet this year it's a bow.
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Speaker 6: It's a bow.
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Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
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Speaker 7: It's a bow, not a star this year. But, yes, the tree is up and the decorations are on. I know.
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Speaker 6: Is this a regular?
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Speaker 10: No, not usually.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 8: I think I'm allowed to say it, but I'm doing a little photo with SA Life this afternoon for the Christmas edition, and obviously magazines work months in advance. They didn't have to twist my arm too much to get me to put the tree up. They said, can we do a photo, a Christmas photo? Do you mind having some tinsel in the background or some decorations?
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Speaker 7: I said, oh, tinsel? I'll do the tree. So the tree's up.
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Speaker 6: Oh, that's superb. So you went the next step. We want to know this morning– Who is the first in Adelaide to put up their tree and their Christmas decorations? It's October 7th. It should be too early to have this conversation.
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Speaker 7: It was up on the long weekend.
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Speaker 6: And surely no one out there has put it up faster than Stace has this year. But are we in the realm of you thinking about it, folks? 8223 0000 or text us on 04808 1395. We know the Christmas pageant is sort of the start, officially, of the Christmas period where I reckon if you clustered Christmas all the various trees going up, that's the weekend where most of them.
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Speaker 12: Are going up.
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Speaker 6: So we're looking for people who do it pre-pagent.
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Speaker 8: But what happens from next year when the GP's on? And what if the pageant's a week later? I don't like the idea of waiting an extra week.
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Speaker 6: Oh, well, no, the tradition simply becomes everyone's tree goes up during the MotoGP.
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Speaker 13: Right, okay.
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Speaker 6: That becomes the logical next step.
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Speaker 7: MotoGP time, time for the tree.
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Speaker 6: I mean, there would be some irony in trees going up for the MotoGP, I guess.
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Speaker 7: Thousands coming down, yeah.
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Speaker 6: 8223 0000. Do you suspect you lay claim, listener, to putting up your decorations the earliest? What's the earliest you've ever done it? We'd love to hear from you. I'm the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, when do you put yours up?
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Speaker 6: We get the box out generally at a reasonable time, sort of early December, with the tree in it, and it sits in the lounge room generally until about the 23rd of December, 22nd in the box, while we have Vague references in the household too. We've got to put up a tree this weekend and it just doesn't happen until it's nearly Christmas. So if you think you might be first, we'd love to hear from you 14 minutes after six.
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Speaker 10: Knockdown.
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Speaker 3: Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
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Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 6: It's as good as viewing gets to see Saturn at the moment, and Sue in Christie's Beach has sent us through a picture that she has taken. Sue's on the line. Morning to you, Sue.
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Speaker 2: Good morning. How are you?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're well, Sue. You've sent us a picture of Saturn in which you can see the rings. Tell me you didn't just take that with your mobile phone.
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Speaker 15: I did.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 2: There's an argument for iPhones versus the other ones, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Well, the quality of the camera is unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: You're right. You can, if you zoom in on that image, see it. So just tell our listeners, because we will chat with Brad Tucker about all the science of this, but in which direction are you looking? How can people see it?
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Speaker 15: Up.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You can't now. But when I got, because it rose at four o'clock and I got up about five or so. No, no.
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Speaker 1: Five o'clock.
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Speaker 16: And.
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Speaker 2: I looked it up on the phone, on the app thing, and it said it was in the northwestern sky. So I went and had a look and lined it up with some pencil plans we'd got, and there it was. And it was pretty obviously it, because not with the naked eye, but like you say, as soon as you blew the photo up, you could see the ring.
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Speaker 16: Wow.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking here to a kid who 60 years ago used to climb out the window at night and go and stare at the sky all night. So I've always been fascinated with that and stuff like that.
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Speaker 6: And it's never been easier now. You've got those wonderful apps you can use that use that sort of augmented reality where you literally don't need to be an expert at all. You can just hold it up in the sky and it'll point you in the direction. Do you want to see Mars? We'll go this way or we'll go that way. Sue, thank you.
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Speaker 12: We appreciate that.
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Speaker 6: I wonder if anyone else caught photos of Saturn. Send them through to 0248081395. Lots of Christmas decoration chat coming through on the text line at the moment as well.
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Speaker 7: Lots of Christmas.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure there's anyone else who has their tree up yet.
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Speaker 7: Um, but Andrew's correct.
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Speaker 8: He says, I reckon Molly would be loving the Christmas tree going up early and being up for longer.
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Speaker 7: She is Andrew.
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Speaker 8: And it was actually beautiful to see her face when she, she was napping yesterday when I put all the baubles on and she came out and she said, Ooh, and her favorite thing at the moment is a kookaburra. So I bought her a kookaburra, um, and she came out and was making the kookaburra noise at the tree pointing at it.
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Speaker 12: Oh, that's fantastic.
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Speaker 7: It was very, very cute.
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Speaker 6: Keep your Christmas decoration. We were looking for people doing it early because Stacey's tree is up and we're wondering, she can't be the only one or is she the only one? And if so, when does the second one come on board? Maybe it's you. Give us a call, 8223 0000. Rob makes an interesting observation and ponders a very exciting possibility. He says, with the excellent appointment of Grant Stephens as our next governor... and having him have to step down from the Crows board, does this present an opportunity next year that if the Crows have a howler of a year, he has the power to dissolve the Crows board, giving John Olsen the chance at Adelaide Oval to have his, well, may we say, God save the King moment. Can you confirm or deny this with him, please? Rob, I will be putting that specifically to you. Do the powers of the governor in South Australia extend to the dissolution of the Crows Board?
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Speaker 12: They should.
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Speaker 6: I think the two things should be tied. It should be expressly apparent in the Constitution.
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Speaker 8: I think potentially Grant Stevens would be more inclined to dissolve Port Adelaide.
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Speaker 12: That's true. Just in general, altogether.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he might just dissolve a whole bunch of stuff. But we haven't had a good meddling governor for a while. I'm not sure if we ever have.
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Speaker 7: No, not here. That'll be interesting to see. I like that. We'll ask him, Rob.
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Speaker 8: If you've got a question for the incoming, I was about to say police commissioner, outgoing police commissioner, incoming governor of South Australia, let us know. Anne says, there's a house near us and they never take their Christmas decorations down.
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Speaker 7: The door wreath and fence tinsel are a permanent fixture.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 7: See, I think that's the ultimate laziness.
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Speaker 6: I've left the old door wreath up for a while. The fence tinsel is a bit hard to justify.
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Speaker 7: But even the door wreath is the easiest thing.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 7: And you walk past it all the time.
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Speaker 6: You just lob it off. Laziness knows no logic.
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Speaker 17: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I do wonder with some of this, with this question this morning, if we're running into the reality that the sort of people that really decorate trees early are also the sort of people that do Halloween.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 6: So I wonder if there's a hard barrier before trees start going up in Adelaide because the real problem excited decorators are getting into Halloween mode at the moment.
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Speaker 8: That's a good thought because I did go into a few stores to buy some new decorations and they didn't have their Christmas stuff up, but they did have Halloween.
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Speaker 11: Yes.
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Speaker 7: And I thought, well, what is this?
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Speaker 6: I don't like Halloween.
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Speaker 7: It's not really my thing. I'd much rather Christmas.
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Speaker 6: And it's all banned now anyway. I was listening when I was away. Now, Rob says, no, Andrew says, I'd rather Rob's idea be inflicted on our current prime minister. Well, I don't think that might be extending beyond the, powers of the South Australian governor, but we can get Grant Stevens to look into it, I'm sure, of that. Sharon points out that it's a wonderful and appropriate honour for Grant's wife, Emma, as well, and says good luck to Assistant Police Commissioner Linda Williams to become SA's first female police commissioner replacing Grant Stevens. Now, that's not... I don't know if that's confirmed. No, because they've said they're going to do a global search of Now, it may end up being one of those global searches where they come back and say, well, the best person was here all along. And the new health boss was an internal appointment. So there is maybe an appetite for some internal promotion here in South Australia at the moment. But historically, they have looked for appointments of that size globally.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, Grant Stevens was an internal appointment as well. He was an assistant commissioner before he became police commissioner. I think Linda Williams would be a great appointment. And it would be nice to have our first female police commissioner. I'm with you on that one, Sharon. She actually tells a really great story about how when she joined SA Police, the women were issued a handbag. It was a police-issued handbag.
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Speaker 6: What did you put in there, your pistol?
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Speaker 7: I think so.
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Speaker 12: The cuffs?
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Speaker 8: And they had sort of a kitten heel and a skirt as well. So that's what you got as a female police officer.
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Speaker 7: Here's your issued handbag.
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Speaker 6: Things have changed. A bit like the Christmas pageant, which– For a decade, we're told, on the text line as well, happened the week earlier. So the MotoGP shifting it a week later is not unprecedented, albeit, as you made the point in the break, a week earlier is probably a little bit nicer.
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Speaker 7: I'd like a week earlier.
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Speaker 6: A week earlier is pretty nice. And Ben Jordan, our resident statsman, says the first Christmas pageant in 1933 was on November 18, which is five days later than the date for next year's pageant.
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Speaker 7: No, I don't like that. If we're moving the date of the pageant, it has to be earlier, not later.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, all right.
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Speaker 7: We should be celebrating Christmas for longer.
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Speaker 6: It's 11.5 degrees outside in the city at the moment. The apparent temperature is 7.3, so it's actually going to feel kind of cool. It won't last that way for long because today we're heading for a nice warm top of 23, really sunny day. Not as sunny as tomorrow, which is the pick of them for the next seven days or so. 28 degrees tomorrow. Friday is, and this is just spring in Adelaide, 6 to 20 millimetres of rain. So we're going to go from a sunny 28 clear day tomorrow to 6 to 20 mils and a change on Friday. Drops down to 19 Saturday. Back up to 25 on Sunday with some rain about the place. Then it gets serious again Monday, 1 to 10 mils and a change to 19. But how about this? Tuesday next week, 14 the top.
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Speaker 10: What?
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Speaker 6: Welcome back winter. Zero to 7 millimetres of rain. 14 degrees, the forecast maximum. No, thank you. Tom Renz in the 5AA Breakfast Studios. We turn our attention to sport. Agostina Mitsubishi's demo clearance is on now. Slave on the Pajero Sport, ASX, Triton and Outlander, Nailsworth and Mawson Lakes. Morning to you, Rennie.
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Speaker 12: Morning, Will.
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Speaker 13: Morning, Stacey. We'll start with some football. Gee, didn't Neil Barham get testy yesterday?
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Which, you know what? I think Crows fans would love that, that he's showing a bit of, you know, fight and resistance and all of that. I guess the question is, is it a moot point now? Should Club have come out stronger at the time?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think he said that. He said they should have come out stronger at the time. It was a bit of a whack, wasn't it? It was interesting because he spoke in a way that we have grown quite unaccustomed to hearing Crows officials speak.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Plainly.
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, plainly and honestly. And he sounded like a person, not someone who's, you know, some sort of corporate crisis comms person that's been brought in.
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Speaker 13: There was a hard edge, wasn't there?
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Speaker 18: It was great.
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Speaker 6: He sounded like a football person.
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Speaker 15: Yep.
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Speaker 6: That's what you want your club to sound like. If the decision doesn't go your way or the reporting you think has been unfair, no one's saving lives here.
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Speaker 13: This is football. Now, that said, it's back page news today. I think Nix is under pressure. It doesn't change the fact I think next year he's under enormous pressure. I think Ross Lyon, number one in the league.
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Speaker 15: Yep.
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Speaker 13: I think Nix is number two.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: They both suffer from the same circumstance, don't they? They've both been at the clubs for a long time.
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Speaker 17: Yep.
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Speaker 13: It's just inevitable. And Bam mentioned that yesterday. He said, look, it's inevitable that all coaches come under the spotlight at some point. So we'll see how that unfolds.
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Speaker 6: Fascinating.
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Speaker 13: Day three of trade period. Is it too long, Will, Stacey?
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Speaker 12: I think it's too long.
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Speaker 6: Well, just have it go on from the moment the season finishes.
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Speaker 17: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: It clearly does. I don't know why we pretend.
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Speaker 13: That it's only just started now.
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Speaker 6: People jump into a room at Marvel Stadium. It's the first time they've talked about deals. It's been happening for 10 months. It feels to me like now it's a controlled media spectacle. The AFL tries to manufacture as opposed to anything with any sort of functional utility.
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Speaker 7: AFL trying to manufacture media stories?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I know. What a fool.
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Speaker 13: Such a sceptic. So, no, Zach Butters. You've obviously got Kosh on this morning. I'm not sure how much they can say, but I think it will get done, but there's another seven days to go. It finishes next Wednesday, so... I think it'll go late, but I do think it'll get done, that one.
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Speaker 6: They must know broadly what the parameters of a deal are.
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Speaker 12: Definitely.
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Speaker 13: I think they're arguing the tin tax now.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 13: You know, trying to get there. So, yeah, the trade period rolls on, so we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 7: And what about the 36ers they play tonight?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think this is the first real– that's a great point, Stace. I think this is the first real big test for Trevor Gleeson. Undermanned, new player coming in, Corey Webster, who hasn't played for three seasons, ended somewhat controversially with some views he shared online. Three-time premiership player, though, championship player. They've just got to find a way. The season, they don't want it to get away from them before it really begins. They're two and three. So it's not panic stations yet, but it was a pretty bad weekend. They didn't look good in either loss that they had. So I've got my concerns with the Sixers at the moment, just lack of sort of depth.
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Speaker 6: Well, some of them, I mean, they signed Bull Quole knowing he wasn't going to be fit.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Humphreys came a bit out of nowhere. That's obviously been a big issue. So some of it they ought to prepare for.
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Speaker 13: And then Flynn Cameron.
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Speaker 6: And then Flynn Cameron really upsets the apple cart.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: So there's these three players that will probably be starting or close to.
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Speaker 16: Yep.
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Speaker 13: And they're not there, and that's 60% of your team. That's like taking 12 players out.
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Speaker 12: Of an AFL side.
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Speaker 6: I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit with the doomerism around the 36ers. They've been devastated. They've got a new coach who's playing a very different system to what Mike Wells was running last year. I still am optimistic about the 36ers this season.
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Speaker 12: Okay, good.
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Speaker 6: That's good.
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Speaker 13: I feel better now because I was starting to get all like, Jittery and concerned.
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Speaker 6: Well, if Isaac Humphreys doesn't return, that optimism starts to wane.
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Speaker 13: And I'm glad that they've at least been proactive and got this Corey Webster who arrived last night and, you know, he's playing tonight.
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Speaker 7: Oh, he only got here last night.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and he's straight in playing.
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Speaker 7: Wow.
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Speaker 13: So that's where things are at, eh?
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Speaker 6: All hands are there. They just don't fit bodies.
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Speaker 13: If you can shoot, you're playing.
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Speaker 6: Well, we can see Stacey. We know she can. I reckon I'm a bit short for this one. Took on Ashton Hearn.
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Speaker 12: I feel your pain.
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Speaker 6: Muggsy Bogues did all right. Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, spot on.
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Speaker 13: So that's a big game tonight. And Alex Dimenor, he lost his China Open final overnight to Novak Djokovic. So disappointing.
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Speaker 6: What about Medvedev?
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Speaker 12: I know.
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Speaker 13: He only sort of lent. He didn't smack.
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Speaker 10: But it's still stupid.
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Speaker 13: Like, don't hit the ball into the crowd.
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Speaker 6: You're right. But of course it was him.
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Speaker 10: Of course.
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Speaker 6: If anyone was going to build a ball into the crowd and hit a spectator, I would have guessed it was.
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Speaker 12: Probably going to be Medvedev.
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Speaker 13: And his opponent, Novak Djokovic. In fact, if there were two players that are going to do it.
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Speaker 12: That's true.
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Speaker 13: Because remember, Djokovic got suspended from the U.S. Open a few years ago for hitting the ball at the linesperson, I think it was.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Anyway.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's those two, isn't it?
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Speaker 12: Every time. They're playing.
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Speaker 13: Highly intelligent Medvedev, like genius IQ.
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Speaker 6: Is that right?
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Speaker 19: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Enormously intelligent.
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Speaker 6: Well, there you go. There's no link then between intelligence and temper, is there?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Good stuff. Good on you, Randy.
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Speaker 12: Thanks, guys.
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Speaker 6: A few people combining the Commissioner's most recent past role with his new role. I wonder if there's some fertile ground to be tilled there. We have him dissolving the board on Rob's suggestion and Peter suggesting the Crow's Shed return. Because everyone does their own sort of the grounds of Government House their own way. Francis Adamson opened it up and allowed people to have picnics and come and have visits inside.
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Speaker 12: Yep.
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Speaker 6: Maybe the Crow's Shed could make a return.
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Speaker 7: I think the, well, I keep saying police commissioner.
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Speaker 13: I guess he still technically is police commissioner.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he still is.
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Speaker 8: I think he should open it up after Crow's Games for an after party and everyone can just walk up the hill to Government House.
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Speaker 12: It's so close.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Have it on the lawn, be really nice.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: A few barbecues.
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Speaker 7: Middle of winter wouldn't be great, but oh well.
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Speaker 12: Ah, you're right.
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Speaker 7: Get some gas heaters.
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Speaker 6: I think he'd be up for that. That's another good idea to put to him. Ben Jordan tells us the coldest Adelaide October day on record was the 1st of October in 1968. It was 11.2 degrees, 11 millimetres of rain that day. The reason, unfortunately, if you're just waking up, Ben is telling us that, is because it's going to be 14 next Tuesday. There's a cool change coming. It's going to be really warm in between, but Tuesday next week, is going to give that record a nudge, which we don't like. And Anna says, regarding Christmas trees, my daughter has not taken down her tree in the last three years. Anna, I think your daughter wins by a technicality, the person who has their tree up the earliest. Ray in Semaphore Park, good morning.
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Speaker 16: Good morning, Will and Stacey. I've got a rumour for you.
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Speaker 18: You'd be interested in this.
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Speaker 14: The show at Westlakes, I believe, is closing its doors next Monday.
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Speaker 10: Is that right?
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Speaker 6: On Westlakes Boulevard?
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Speaker 15: Yes.
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Speaker 6: Has there been any advance notice, Ray, or is this just a whisper you've heard?
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Speaker 16: I just heard a little whisper, and I reckon if you go down there, you get a little chocolate tip, it'll be half price or cheaper.
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Speaker 12: Oh, right.
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Speaker 6: Okay, well, that's a good tip for.
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Speaker 7: Cheap petrol.
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Speaker 6: Cheap chocolates, at least.
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Speaker 16: Oh, chocolate.
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Speaker 7: Sorry, I missed it. My brain just heard cheap and petrol station and got very excited.
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Speaker 6: You had Stacey at cheap, Ray. That's interesting. I wonder why. I wonder whether that then will be taken over by someone else at that spot. I would have thought West Lakes Boulevard. They're coming out of the shopping centre. It's a pretty good spot for a servo. Thank you, Ray. Sounds like Ray knows what he's talking about on that front as well. All right, let's turn our attention to a story that developed recently in the last 24 hours. This announcement from one of Australia's most beloved comedians, Judith Lucey.
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Speaker 17: I went in last Friday for a lumpectomy and a doctor found more cancer. We have gone from a lumpectomy to a mastectomy, which I am having Friday week. I said, while you're there.
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Speaker 13: Let's get rid of the other one.
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Speaker 6: So Judith Lucey having a mastectomy to reduce entirely her risk of breast cancer. I want to ask Vicky Durst in this question, who's the Director of Policy at the Breast Cancer Network of Australia. Vicky, good morning. This is going to sound peculiar because Judith Lucy, who we love, has been found with a form of cancer, which is devastating. But is this a story about the system working? Is this an example of us getting really good at finding these things and doing so at a time when you can still make active decisions about your health and it's not too late?
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Speaker 19: Yeah, good morning. I think that what Judith Lucy has done, and first and foremost, acknowledging her for talking about what she's described as being a shock for her, it is a diagnosis. And for all women that are diagnosed with breast cancer, it is a shock. And we're right in the midst of Breast Cancer Awareness Month being October. But what she does describe is that she picked it up through screening. And I think That's such an important message that we heard through her description of what she experienced.
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Speaker 8: It's always, I think, a good reminder, as you mentioned, when we hear someone with a public profile speaking about their experience with a cancer diagnosis, but especially someone like Judith Lucy, and we probably should have expected, but who's done it with a bit of humour as well. And I think it's such a testament to the Aussie experience, the Aussie attitude that she does it with humour. Does that mean you guys see a bump in people booking in to get their their screenings done, Vicky?
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Speaker 16: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 19: And I think that you're right. I mean, Huma, the way that she's done it, I think that, you know, there's no doubt in that she's felt shocked. She talks about that. But I think credit to her for bringing Huma to it. I watched it yesterday. And yeah, I think what we do see is an uptick and an uplift in screening participation. And we just saw the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare data come out where we've seen Even in South Australia, we're not seeing the increase in participation in screening like we did pre-COVID. And so messaging like this is vital to ensure that we see those participation rates improve. Because like you said, detecting it early improves lives and it's certainly, and that's what she describes in her experience.
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Speaker 6: If people, Vicky, listen to this and want to book in and get a screening done, are they seen to in a reasonable time at the moment or is there a backlog?
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Speaker 19: Yeah, look, I mean, certainly what we're saying is that people get an appointment, they may need to wait, you know, a few weeks depending on where you are. But, you know, that shouldn't deter people. You know, we're all incredibly busy in our lifestyles, but it's so important to get that appointment. And it's super quick for a screen around the country in South Australia. I mean, South Australia has always been, you know, a standard of, you know, ensuring that people get in really quickly and get access to to all the appointments that they can get. So it's really important that people make those appointments. And I think what Judith has done is highlight the importance of this time of year and all year, but even more so through October is the importance of early detection and screening.
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Speaker 7: So what is the advice? How regularly should women get screened?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 19: And that's what we see too, is sometimes it drops off after that first year. So Every second year, we want women to screen between the age of 50 to 74. And we want to see also those younger women from their 40s, you're eligible to have screening. But definitely through that 50 to 74, where breast cancer is most prevalent, is ensuring that you have your screening every two years. And if you notice a symptom in between your screening to really go early to your GP and make sure that you address.
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Speaker 7: It as soon as possible. And I assume they're free?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 19: Breast screen is complimentary. It's free and we want people to screen when they can.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Vicky, thanks so much for your time.
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Speaker 6: Vicky Durston, the Breast Cancer Network Australia Director of Policy. Our guest Jane's called in on this. Morning to you, Jane.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good morning.
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Speaker 20: I had a mastectomy in 2020 after being diagnosed in 2019 and it was supposedly inoperable but Thankfully, I got onto a oral chemo, which shrunk it enough to operate.
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Speaker 21: But I really wished I'd have... I did ask at the time if I could have a double mastectomy, but I was on the public system, so the answer was no. But there was a history of breast cancer in my family and other cancers. But I just wish now... Seven years down the track, I'm so happy I'm still on oral chemo, but I do wish I'd had a double mastectomy. It would have been much easier dealing with, not that there's a problem, but I never seem to look right. You know, even though the prosthesis are great and all that, I never feel right.
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Speaker 12: You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, and I just think good on her. If she can have the double, good luck to her.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Thanks for sharing, Jane.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, indeed. Thank you, Jane. We really appreciate that.
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Speaker 7: It's surprising that it was a no.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:28:23
Speaker 7: Anyway, I don't know the ins and outs of how that part of the health system works.
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Speaker 19: No.
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Speaker 6: Jane, all the best with your ongoing treatment as well. Let's go to Para Vista. Alan's called in.
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Speaker 12: Morning, Alan.
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Speaker 15: Good morning, Will, and also Stacey. By the way, I've got a couple of ideas for Grant Stephens. One is that he organises, as Governor, all the board meetings of the Crows to be held at Government House. That's number one. Number two is that at the end of his tenure, in five years' time, he'd be the ideal recruit for SAPOL, considering his past background. He could even apply for a job as a lollipop person at the schools.
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Speaker 12: Yes, he could.
00:29:04
Speaker 6: Well, they are.
00:29:05
Speaker 7: Asking retirees to come back to the force.
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Speaker 6: He might get one of those letters.
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Speaker 15: Give the oldies a go in all forms of employment, I say.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Alan. We'd be better off for it. Thank you. We might need oldies to get back in the workforce with the various migration policies before us at the moment. We'll be chatting with the Shadow Home Affairs Minister after 8.30 about Uh, the Libs extraordinary planet this time yesterday, we're talking about rumors that it might be deeper than the one nation cuts in the first two years. They were confirmed even by a longer way than I think many were expecting. It comes back up a little bit after that point, but, um, it's a very dramatic entry into this discussion belatedly by the libs but they've come in with a very different proposal because it also includes an increase in skilled migration at the same time so we're going to get into that a little bit later in the morning Let's talk about the weather. Ursula Connor at the Bureau of Meteorology. Ursula, we've done that really bad talkback thing of focusing on the negative, which is that it's going to be cold next Tuesday. But in between now and then, it's going to be quite nice, isn't it?
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Speaker 22: Yeah, that's right. Plenty of sunshine around. It is a little bit chilly this morning. Look, it's around 11 degrees in the city, but it does feel a lot colder than that. It feels like hovering around sort of 6, 7 degrees with a bit of a breeze through the city this morning. But yes, plenty of sunshine on the way for the day today. Adelaide's headed for a top of 23. Glenelg, 22. Elizabeth, 23. Noarlunga, 22. Mount Barker, 21. And the temperatures keep warming up as we move into tomorrow. The city headed for a top of 28. Expected to see that sunshine continuing. That is ahead of a bit of a feature to move over on Friday. a cold front, which is going to bring, look, some pretty widespread showers, really, through the area, potentially even some afternoon and evening thunderstorms as we see that change come through as well. But then another high-pressure system to quickly push in again on the weekend, which will hopefully clear up most of those showers.
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Speaker 6: All right, good stuff, Ursula. Thank you, Ursula Connor at the Weather Bureau. Let's head to Saipol. Senior Constable Holly Frisby joins us. Holly, a woman's been arrested at Tonsley overnight.
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Speaker 23: Good morning, Will. That's correct. Just after 7 o'clock last night, we received a number of calls from motorists regarding a woman walking in the middle of the road on the Southern Expressway. Patrols responded, and when they attempted to restrain the woman, it will be alleged she produced a knife and attempted to stab the officer. Thankfully, in that incident, no one was injured, and a 38-year-old woman was arrested and charged with aggravated assault, an assault-prescribed emergency worker, and she will appear in court later today.
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Speaker 12: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 17: Okay.
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Speaker 7: And three youths have been arrested after a break-in at Little Hampton, Holly.
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Speaker 23: Just before 3 o'clock this morning, police were called to a school on Barker Street to report an alarm activation. Patrols responded with the assistance of PD Gerry and confirmed access had been gained to the gym and damage caused throughout the school. Patrols searched the area and located a group nearby. A 14-year-old boy, a 13-year-old boy and a 12-year-old boy were arrested and charged with serious criminal trespass and property damage. The bail has yet to be determined, and we do ask anyone in that area who was a witness or has CCTV or dash cam footage that can assist with this investigation to contact Crime Stoppers at 1800 333 000. All right.
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Speaker 12: Thank you, Holly.
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Speaker 6: Senior Constable Holly Frisby there from SafePole. Thank you for your text too, Colin, who says, 30 years ago, my mum had a mastectomy, was six months fully cleared of cancer, and then found a lump in the other, and then had to go through the whole process again. Did the full thing twice, but still going strong at 84.
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Speaker 12: Good news. Good stuff, Colin.
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Speaker 6: Thank you for texting that through. We're going to take a break. We'll check traffic. Anyone else get up early and take a picture of Saturn? We'll be chatting with Brad Tucker from ANU in just a moment because you might not get a better chance of seeing it than right now. Sue sent us a picture with an iPhone where you can see the rings. So I wonder if anyone else got up early and took some snaps. If so, send them through to us. In the meantime, we're checking traffic. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof designed, manufactured and installed locally by Louver House.
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Speaker 10: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 5: This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 6: Five to seven. Anyone see Saturn in the night sky?
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Speaker 12: Dr.
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Speaker 6: Brad Tucker, I'm sure, was up early overnight having a look. The astrophysicist and cosmologist from ANU who we love talking to about phenomena in the sky. Dr. Tucker, good morning to you.
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Speaker 11: How's it going?
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Speaker 6: We're going well. We have been sent some pictures of some of our listeners that saw Saturn. It looks like, certainly from our vantage point in Adelaide, clear sky and Sue, who sent us a picture, didn't exactly take it with some sort of expensive telescope. It was with her iPhone. It's good viewing.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, it is.
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Speaker 18: I mean, modern day cameras now on phones are quite spectacular in terms of like the nighttime photography that you could get as well as the clarity. And you have Saturn and it's quite bright and it's quite distinct. You can get some really great views of it. It is a great one to look at either with your eye or with the phone or if you do have a small pair of binoculars or telescope or something like that.
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Speaker 6: So when is the best viewing and what's the sort of, I mean, you can get an app these days that'll tell you which way to look, but generally speaking, in which direction should people be looking?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, look, for Saturn right now, I mean, technically we're just at the point of what we call opposition, where it's at its brightest and closest to Earth. However, things in space, The relative change over time, when you're talking about a difference of, you know, 1,000 kilometers when it's already, you know, 200 million kilometers, does it make a huge difference? So the great thing is, you know, if you get to see it for, I mean, Saturn will be visible for another six months. But for the next couple of weeks, it will look still quite bright.
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Speaker 24: So, you know, if you didn't see it.
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Speaker 18: Last night or it ends up being cloudy over a couple of days, you can definitely wait until the weekend or until next week and see it. Now, Saturn is rising just a little after sunset in the eastern sky. So about an hour after sunset, you'll see a really bright object well above the horizon in the eastern sky, and that is Saturn. And the trick to finding a planet is planets don't twinkle in the sky. So, you know, if you look at all the other stars, they twinkle. Planets don't. And it's actually a little bit due to a trick with their eyes, where out of all of the points of light, are being averaged out. So stars twinkle because of turbulence in the sky, but our eye for a planet, there's multiple points and we kind of blend it together and don't see that twinkling. So it's another great trick of figuring out if that pattern, if you don't have an app available.
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Speaker 13: Right.
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Speaker 8: And so how long did you say it'll be this close? How long do we have to see it?
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Speaker 18: We will have it in our sky for another six months, but if you're out in the next week or two, it will still look really bright, very visible to see. And, you know, a great treat.
00:36:21
Speaker 11: And if you do.
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Speaker 18: Have binoculars or a small telescope, but you can definitely start to see the rings of Saturn. And that's the really cool thing. Like, Saturn looks exactly as described. You know, when you look through it with something like that, you know, it's not another blurry picture. You're like, you get to see the rings. It looks like someone almost put a picture, you know, on the front of the binoculars telescope when you're looking at it. So it's a really great way to see. Compared to some of the other planets, it's always a great treat.
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Speaker 6: And I'm excited by the fact you can still get out there and say, usually when we do these chats, I always find, well, we had to do it last night or, you know, you've got one more night, but six more months sounds exciting.
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Speaker 12: Dr.
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Speaker 6: Brad Tucker, always great to chat, mate. Thank you so much for your time. Astrophysicist and cosmologist at ANU.
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Speaker 10: The top seven before seven.
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Speaker 6: We've got a top seven before seven. Songs about space.
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Speaker 7: Ah, okay.
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Speaker 12: Songs.
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Speaker 6: Okay, number seven. So I was just counting up. There were seven of them. I was just double-checking.
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Speaker 7: I thought you would do top seven planets.
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Speaker 6: Oh, we could do that too.
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Speaker 12: No songs.
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Speaker 16: Okay.
00:37:24
Speaker 6: Let's do songs.
00:37:25
Speaker 7: Let's do songs. Yeah, that works.
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Speaker 16: Okay.
00:37:28
Speaker 6: Predictable. I think our listeners would have thought Frank Sinatra to be a little bit higher, but let's find out what else is.
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Speaker 12: On the ledger.
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Speaker 6: Number six.
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Speaker 10: Train, The Drops of Jupiter, the head of Frank Sinatra. All right, number five.
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Speaker 4: Are you having fun?
00:38:05
Speaker 10: If you believe, they put a man on the moon.
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Speaker 9: Man on the moon.
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Speaker 13: If you believe, there's nothing up their sleeve.
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Speaker 10: Man on the moon.
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Speaker 6: We can't focus that song during the Andy Kaufman movie where Jim Carrey played the role. I think that became the theme of that film. The number four spot.
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Speaker 10: Police, Sting, of course.
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Speaker 6: Got answered a few times as the person who had the grand final tickets. Number three.
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Speaker 1: The first one I thought of was Bowie.
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Speaker 22: I was thinking maybe number one or this.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: So it's only number two.
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Speaker 6: I would have had the William Shatner spoken word version as number one of Rocketman. I don't think it's going to be, though. Number one.
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Speaker 12: Oh, there we go. Okay.
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Speaker 7: Any comments, questions, criticisms?
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Speaker 4: Not from me.
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Speaker 23: No.
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Speaker 12: Too bad.
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Speaker 7: I think that's an okay list.
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Speaker 10: Not too bad.
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Speaker 6: Is this your work, Jess?
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Speaker 23: All right.
00:39:35
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00:39:50
Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast. 8 after 7, good morning to you.
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Speaker 6: If you're joining us for the first time on this Wednesday, the 7th of October, the sun is just peering above a building over the hills to our immediate east. which is the direction you would have seen Saturn overnight, as we just heard. You can still see it for the next six months, according to Brad Tucker from ANU. It'll be the big bright one that's not twinkling, was the way he sort of described it in very simple language. Now, the other thing that's happened, and this is totally notable, and perhaps the first, I'm not sure, but in the interest of fairness, I want to read some texts out, Stace.
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Speaker 11: Okay.
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Speaker 6: Andrew says, following our seven before seven, good choice, boys. Rita says, your top seven today was perfect. And it's Space Week, says Rita as well. Someone here says, good morning. Great list. Need some Saturn by Stevie Wonder. Thank you. This is the first time. Jennifer says, great selection of space songs. This is the first time A Better Seven Before Seven has received critical acclaim.
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Speaker 7: It's been uncontroversial. There have been a couple of other suggestions.
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Speaker 6: A few suggestions.
00:41:03
Speaker 7: You missed this one or maybe the order wasn't right.
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Speaker 12: We need to give.
00:41:07
Speaker 7: Largely uncontroversial.
00:41:09
Speaker 6: Paddy and Jess, they're chocolates.
00:41:11
Speaker 7: Credit where credit is due, boys.
00:41:12
Speaker 6: Credit where credit is due. They nailed the seven before seven. We've got a treat for our listeners at seven o'clock this morning.
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Speaker 7: We've got to honour it now because it's probably the only time it will happen.
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Speaker 6: Well, we've got a lot of making up to do after girls, songs after women's names featuring Vienna. Now, real treat for our just seven o'clock listeners because we're going to do something we usually do after 7.30.
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Speaker 5: It's time to go around the courts with Sean Fuster on 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 6: Our new governor coming up after 7.30, the Police Commissioner Grant Stephens. So, Sean Fuster very kindly has agreed to come in a little bit earlier. Sean, good morning to you.
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Speaker 20: Good morning.
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Speaker 6: Now, Sean, this is quite an intriguing story that you've written about with regard to this young person who fatally stabbed her father.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 6: There's been a late change to this story, has there not, with regard to something that happened in court in just the last couple of days?
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Speaker 11: That's right. This young woman, who is now 19 years old, has been held in custody for the past four years since the incident where her father died, which was Boxing Day of 2022. This happened out at Andrews Farm. Police were called to a house. where a man had collapsed and died in the driveway of that house. He'd suffered a single stab wound to the chest. There was a young woman with him who was very upset, very concerned about what was going on, indicating that there was another person inside the house who had committed the stabbing. And the person inside the house was the man, the victim's 19-year-old, sorry, at that point, 16-year-old daughter. Four years later, she's been held in custody this entire time. Finally, she comes to stand trial for murder in the Supreme Court, because even though she was a youth at the time, murder is a crime that is almost always, in fact, prosecuted in the adult courts. She pleads guilty, but not to murder. On the first day of her trial, she pleads guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter. In some cases, that would end the situation, but in this case in particular, the DPP prosecutor said no. We can't accept the plea to the lesser charge of manslaughter. We say that this is a murder. It rises to that level, and therefore the trial will continue.
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Speaker 6: So just take us through the machinations of that, Sean. So is this a case where clearly they haven't come to an agreement away from the courtroom about her entering a plea? Are you making public a plea deal that her team put forward to prosecutors that Or was there some sort of formal mechanism in the courtroom where she pled guilty to manslaughter and they said, well, hang on, we still think there's a higher charge to answer to?
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Speaker 11: It was the latter. The girl actually stood up in court and in a very soft voice gave her plea and said the words, not guilty to murder, but guilty to manslaughter. And she said it so softly that the judge actually said, I'm going to have to ask your counsel to confirm that that's what you said because I didn't actually hear you properly. And counsel confirmed that was the position. That's what their client is admitting. So she's admitting at law and at fact that she stabbed her father and that that stab wound killed him. She's not admitting, however, that what she did was murderous, malice of forethought, all the things we think of when we think about a murder. And prosecutors say, well, we can't accept that. We say it is a murder. And then they started going into the reasoning why. They said that this young woman has a long history, according to them, of violence, violence at her school, of having bitten people, of having threatened people before, of having taken knives to school, and that at one point where she took a knife to school and her father was called to the school to do something about it, she took the knife out of her bag and tried to stab him and the staff members that were with him at the time. So the argument on the prosecution side is that given this entire contextual history of this young woman's relationship with violence, with knives and with her father, you can't say that this was, quote unquote, just a manslaughter, just snapping, losing control, grabbing the nearest knife and taking action. This is something that the world was warned about, that everyone knew she was capable of doing, and she herself knew she was capable of doing. Therefore, it rises to murder.
00:45:42
Speaker 6: So abstracting away from this case, Sean, in your experience, what is the history of arguing someone was attacked with a knife, there was or was not an intent to murder?
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Speaker 11: I have seen that argument prove successful in many a jury trial. Juries are notoriously reticent to convict a person of murder. If you offer a jury the option of manslaughter as a plea, juries will almost always come back with a manslaughter verdict that matches that plea because nobody really wants to sentence anybody for the capital crime, the biggest crime on our criminal calendar.
00:46:23
Speaker 12: That's interesting.
00:46:24
Speaker 11: But at the same time with judges, it's more nuanced and more subtle because a judge alone trial, which is what this is, will get into the actual legalities and the definitions of what is murder, what is manslaughter, where is the line between. Because manslaughter, as we've talked about on Just Lawful, spans the range. Everything from a practical joke gone wrong through to something that is just short of murder, including what they call provocation murder, where someone eggs you on so much that you snap and you take fatal action. And murder then picks up just after that and goes all the way through to some of the truly horrific things that we've seen committed over the years, such as serial killings. So finding out where This crime committed in this moment when this young woman was so young, where she had consumed alcohol, where she had consumed cannabis, where it occurred on Christmas night slash Boxing Day morning, in that moment of peak and emotion and violence is going to be what the court has to untangle and decide what side of that line does it fall on.
00:47:31
Speaker 8: Sean, have we had an explanation as to why it's taken almost four years for the trial to get to this point? And has she been behind bars that whole time?
00:47:41
Speaker 11: We have, Sophie, and that's where things get difficult because when someone is a youth appearing even in the Supreme Court, they remain entitled to the protections of the youth court in terms of their identity, in terms of things that may tend to identify them. So all that we're allowed to say publicly is, is that some of the witnesses involved in this case had their own commitments in terms of schooling and things like that, and the trial was arranged in such a way as to try to disrupt their lives as little as possible. Because it's one thing for one young woman to be waiting to stand trial, it's another for everyone in her circle to have their own upbringing, lives and educations disrupted by giving evidence at a major Supreme Court trial. She has been in custody the entire time, and the reason for that has been that bail applications, of course, are predicated on one's past history. And when you've got a past history like this girl allegedly does in terms of the violence, the biting, and the knives, that's not somebody that will tend to qualify for bail. Her counsel has argued that all that time in custody has institutionalized her and made her even worse than she was alleged to have been in the first place. So I expect that that will play a role at some point in sentencing because having pleaded guilty to manslaughter, she will be sentenced. There's no way now that she will not serve a prison term. It's whether it'll be a manslaughter term or a murder term and how long that term will be. So the four years she has spent in custody will have to be subtracted from whatever sentence she receives for whichever crime she's convicted of and that institutionalization or otherwise will also be a factor in that sentencing.
00:49:23
Speaker 6: Quite a remarkable case. Give Just Lawful a bit of a plug. Sean, where are you guys at the moment?
00:49:28
Speaker 11: Well, we've horrified people for the last couple of weeks, guys, with returns, with people coming back, with Raina Jane Cruz and Wendy Sue Dent returning like characters in some kind of cheap horror movie and upsetting and annoying their victims once again. The situation this week is we're doing one more return, but this one's a good one where we not only saw some incredible passion from a victim survivor of court, but also some incredible empathy from the court system itself, which led to a brilliant outcome for everyone.
00:49:58
Speaker 6: Oh, that'll be a nice change of pace then for some of those other shockers that you've just mentioned. Sean, thank you. Really appreciate you being flexible for us this morning.
00:50:07
Speaker 16: Thanks, Will.
00:50:07
Speaker 11: Thanks, Stacey.
00:50:08
Speaker 6: Sean Fuster, Chief Court Reporter at The Ties and host of the excellent Just Lawful podcast. We're going to check traffic and be back in a moment. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an open and closing roof, designed, manufactured and installed locally by Lubehouse.
00:50:21
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00:50:29
Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:50:34
Speaker 6: 23 minutes after 7, we're going to spin the wheel in just a moment and give away a Keralert smart watch. Tremendous product. We love the Steele family. We love their innovation and their inventiveness and these wonderful products they've been selling here in South Australia. making people's lives better. They continue to do so. We'll give one of those away in a moment. I just want to read this text out quickly. Hi there, Will and Stacey. Could you please put this out? I've just driven through the intersection of Grange Road, Crittenden Road at Flinders Park, and there's a large black poodle-type breed that has just crossed the road and missed getting run over. It's heading north towards the coffee shop, Kachina by Liquid.
00:51:08
Speaker 7: Oh, good coffee shop.
00:51:09
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, good spot.
00:51:10
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:51:11
Speaker 7: Well, if you've got a black poodle breed dog.
00:51:13
Speaker 11: Yeah.
00:51:13
Speaker 17: Yeah.
00:51:15
Speaker 6: And it's out on the loose. It's in that area. Something to be aware of. And if you're driving in the area, obviously, take extra care there as well. Scott is articulating something I reckon a lot of people would feel when it comes to the legal definition of the difference between manslaughter and murder that I think most normal people, and I'm with you, Scott, find hard to pass. He says, assault or rob someone with a knife? And then you choose to stab them. You choose it. When are we going to start treating that choice as murder? If you can't work out that stabbing someone might kill them, you have no place in society. Yeah, it's a weakness of a law that mens rea and actus reus in murder. You need to be of sound mind and you need to have had intent. I understand why that's in there, but it does lead to these weird cases where So you imagined a scenario where, oh, you just wanted to cut someone.
00:52:10
Speaker 7: You could stab someone and it wouldn't kill.
00:52:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. You'd never entertain that as a possibility. But that's how the law treats it.
00:52:17
Speaker 7: Particularly when it's not self-defense.
00:52:19
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
00:52:19
Speaker 7: And there's no suggestion that it is in this case.
00:52:21
Speaker 6: No, that's right. Scott, I think a lot of people, and I'm with you, would often find that hard to make sense of. All right, let's spin the wheel. All right, we've got the wheel.
00:52:29
Speaker 12: Let's go.
00:52:30
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00:52:43
Speaker 7: 11, number 11.
00:52:45
Speaker 6: So number 11 means someone who was born in 1942 and is 84 or turning 84 this year, 1942, the year the Manhattan Project began. A top secret program to develop the atomic bomb. Did you see Oppenheimer?
00:53:04
Speaker 15: Yes.
00:53:04
Speaker 6: Did you like Oppenheimer?
00:53:05
Speaker 7: I did like Oppenheimer.
00:53:06
Speaker 6: It was amazing. Do you think you'll ever watch it again?
00:53:08
Speaker 1: No.
00:53:08
Speaker 6: No, I'm with you.
00:53:09
Speaker 7: No. And it was long to watch in a cinema. I needed bathroom breaks.
00:53:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a long film.
00:53:14
Speaker 7: They needed to do scheduled bathroom breaks, I think.
00:53:16
Speaker 6: It's a spectacular and brilliantly made film by Christopher Nolan.
00:53:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:53:21
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's not a rewatchable.
00:53:23
Speaker 7: No, you don't do it again.
00:53:24
Speaker 8: I think it came out, oh, that was Barbenheimer, same time as Barbie. So I watched Barbie first and a couple of weeks later watched Oppenheimer.
00:53:31
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:53:32
Speaker 12: Yeah. All right.
00:53:34
Speaker 7: Great time for cinema.
00:53:35
Speaker 6: Now, I think we might have an 84-year-old on the line. So we might just delay for a moment because Valerie in Merino has called in. Valerie, good morning.
00:53:44
Speaker 14: Good morning to you too.
00:53:45
Speaker 4: She just got me out of bed.
00:53:47
Speaker 6: I'm sorry about that, Valerie, but you have won a Carolette smartwatch. So that is fantastic news. Sorry to wake you up. Is it a cold morning? You typically stay in bed a little bit longer?
00:53:57
Speaker 22: I do.
00:53:58
Speaker 19: Just a bit off.
00:54:00
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about getting up. I'm out now anyway.
00:54:02
Speaker 6: Oh, good.
00:54:03
Speaker 7: We've got you up, Valerie, and now you've got a smartwatch coming your way.
00:54:06
Speaker 16: Wonderful.
00:54:07
Speaker 19: Yes, wonderful.
00:54:08
Speaker 12: All right.
00:54:09
Speaker 6: Well, Valerie, congratulations to you. You can hop back into bed. We won't keep you any longer. You've done well. You sprung out. You called the number. And you've won the Carolette Smart Watch. Congratulations to you. We're taking a break. 5AA News is on the way. And on the other side of it, a familiar voice in an unfamiliar role. The police commissioner, who is now about to become the new governor of South Australia, will.
00:54:29
Speaker 12: Be our guest.
00:54:36
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00:54:44
Speaker 10: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
00:54:46
Speaker 5: This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:54:51
Speaker 6: 23 minutes to 8, jump on the Facebook and YouTube live stream and see a very familiar face, a regular guest, but with a brand new role.
00:55:02
Speaker 9: MUSIC PLAYS.
00:55:07
Speaker 6: The incoming Governor of South Australia, our Police Commissioner, Grant Stevens.
00:55:14
Speaker 12: Commissioner, good morning to you.
00:55:16
Speaker 9: Well, good morning, and if that's a better background theme song than I'm Too Sexy.
00:55:22
Speaker 6: Was that what you were requesting?
00:55:24
Speaker 12: No, no, that's my ringtone.
00:55:25
Speaker 6: Oh, that's your ringtone.
00:55:26
Speaker 12: It is too.
00:55:27
Speaker 7: It went off during COVID press conference.
00:55:29
Speaker 12: I remember that. Yeah, yeah. So that's followed me.
00:55:33
Speaker 8: I think it would be safe to say it's the first time a governor has ever had that as their ringtone.
00:55:38
Speaker 12: Well, or police commissioner.
00:55:41
Speaker 6: I never heard Francis's phone ring. Well, that's true. We can't rule it out.
00:55:45
Speaker 12: Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you.
00:55:47
Speaker 6: Quite a remarkable honour. And I don't think we, I mean, every single text we've received is from well-wishers and people saying well-deserved. There's no controversy around it. A few people wondering about the timeline of it.
00:55:58
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:56:00
Speaker 6: Did you say no to this originally?
00:56:02
Speaker 12: No, I have never said no.
00:56:04
Speaker 9: And I know it's been reported that I ruled myself out, but I was very careful about the words I used. I made a reference to the fact that I've got about two years left on my police career. commissioned a contract and my focus is on the role I have now. So that was back when it was just a rumour, by the way.
00:56:24
Speaker 8: Because we spoke in April when I asked you about it and you said you hadn't been approached.
00:56:29
Speaker 12: When you interrogated me.
00:56:31
Speaker 9: So it was a genuinely pleasant surprise when the Premier asked me if I would consider taking on the role. And that was only about three weeks, four weeks ago.
00:56:44
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:56:45
Speaker 6: Was it an easy decision?
00:56:46
Speaker 12: Yes, because of the rumours.
00:56:50
Speaker 9: And the rumours have been circulating for a really long time. Emma and I have had conversations about, what are you going to do if they actually ask you to be the governor? So it's not like, because of the rumours, it didn't sort of blindside us. And you might have heard yesterday, Emma said, this is not something you say no to. The honour and the privilege of serving as the governor of South Australia is is not a request, in my view, that you say no to. The opportunity to continue serving the community of South Australia in a different and, I think, more dynamic way is, I'm genuinely honoured by the offer. And, yeah, it's just, unless there is a reason you can't do it, a genuine, legitimate reason that prevents you from being able to fulfil the duties, then, there is only one answer.
00:57:48
Speaker 8: And I know you said yesterday at the press conference that the answer is just yes and you work everything out after that. But I imagine for you having been in SAPOL for, can I say how many years?
00:58:02
Speaker 9: Almost 45. The 45th anniversary of my joining is the 7th of January, 2027. So I'm going to fall just a bit short of my 45th anniversary.
00:58:15
Speaker 8: So nearly 45 years by the time you finish up. That's not an easy decision to make for anyone to leave any industry or any job after that long.
00:58:24
Speaker 7: Will you miss it?
00:58:24
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely.
00:58:26
Speaker 9: And sad's probably not the right word, but I am reflecting on the fact that something that's been such a big part of my life is coming to a close. And I'm mindful of that anyway. Like, July 2028 was my last contract and I was pretty set in my view that I was not going to be asking for an extension. So my thoughts about, you know, I'd be signing off on major infrastructure projects or whatever, knowing that I won't be around to see these things completed. It's just accelerated that. So I haven't really had time to process that whole departure thing. It's become really quite real and upfront now. So just working through that. But what a great way to depart policing and a great next step. So I don't think I'll have a lot of time to dwell on it once I get sworn in as governor.
00:59:17
Speaker 6: What's the closest you've been to royalty in the past?
00:59:20
Speaker 9: Well, I was fortunate enough to meet, excuse me, the Queen when the band of the South Australia Police were invited to play at her 90th birthday celebrations. I managed to sort of sneak in on their coattails. So, yeah, that was a bit of a.
00:59:35
Speaker 6: I see your old hat at this. You know the protocols.
00:59:38
Speaker 9: I think I might have to get out the rule book or the protocol book and find out, just remind myself on the right way to go about that.
00:59:44
Speaker 6: It's not all beer and skittles. There's obviously some hard news element to this as well. Walker, Butts, Murray, Peddler, Burns, Stephens. Is there a max exodus from West Lakes?
00:59:59
Speaker 9: Well, mine is an unanticipated one and not one that I've been contemplating. And I am disappointed that I can't continue to be a part of the Adelaide Football Club.
01:00:12
Speaker 12: And I did hear some of the comments.
01:00:16
Speaker 9: Earlier about getting the governor to.
01:00:20
Speaker 12: Get rid of the board. The board of the Adelaide Football Club are.
01:00:24
Speaker 9: A great bunch of people and I I would strongly resist any overtures that wanted me as the governor to get rid of him.
01:00:31
Speaker 12: They have my full support.
01:00:31
Speaker 6: This is not going to be your John Kerr moment then.
01:00:33
Speaker 12: That is not it.
01:00:35
Speaker 7: I did enjoy that moment of you maybe campaigning for that will.
01:00:38
Speaker 6: I was wondering what was in the remit.
01:00:40
Speaker 7: Graeme Goodings is in the next studio.
01:00:42
Speaker 6: It's nice, just another level of oversight.
01:00:44
Speaker 12: I think.
01:00:46
Speaker 9: I don't think that falls within my constitutional duties.
01:00:49
Speaker 6: What about, did you hear some of the other suggestions from Crows fans who are excited about the possibility all of a sudden that imagine there might be barbecues on the lawns of Government House post-game?
01:00:57
Speaker 12: Well, you know, everything's up for consideration.
01:01:01
Speaker 9: Frances Adamson has done an amazing job of making Government House a house for the people of South Australia.
01:01:06
Speaker 12: Maybe that's the next step. But having to be bipartisan, it won't just be the Adelaide Crows.
01:01:12
Speaker 7: I was about to say, do we get Port Adelaide after parties too?
01:01:15
Speaker 9: I know there are people out there who are diametrically opposed to the other team. I'm not one of those people. And I'm not just saying this because of the new role. I've respected what Port Adelaide does, and we've got good friends who are part of the Port Adelaide structure. So if there's barbecues for Crows fans, there'll be barbecues for Port Adelaide fans.
01:01:38
Speaker 6: Well, you know what? It's nice to balance it out because Port Adelaide have had a stranglehold on the legislative arm of government for such a long period of time. At least we've got the Queen's representative here in this state overseeing things.
01:01:48
Speaker 9: I think it shows just how magnanimous the Premier is that he's prepared to offer the role of Governor to a Crows supporter.
01:01:54
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:01:55
Speaker 6: So when will we start calling you, Your Excellency?
01:01:58
Speaker 12: I'm sworn in on the 9th of December.
01:02:00
Speaker 9: So that's when things will escalate. And I think I'm going to be quite busy between now and then just understanding the entire role and starting to plan how we're going to perform that role. I think we're going to try and squeeze a week or two of a break in before we go from this job into the next one because it is going to be busy, but we're excited about that too. um yeah it's it's interesting.
01:02:27
Speaker 8: And have you and emma had a chance to to work out what it means for for family dinners because i know family dinners are extremely important in the stephens.
01:02:34
Speaker 9: Household absolutely are kids and grandkids and um we are prepared to commit ourselves to this new role but there has to be some balance um our family and our friends are really important to us um and we know that there are going to be changes but um There are some things that we will have to work really hard to maintain.
01:02:55
Speaker 24: Yeah.
01:02:56
Speaker 7: New fencing for the sausage dogs?
01:02:57
Speaker 9: Well, we haven't told the sausage dogs yet. And I haven't had a chance to have a look at the fence to see whether they can fit through. We might have to install a one-foot fence around the perimeter that stops them from jumping out.
01:03:10
Speaker 6: Well, the Queen was famous for her love of her corgis. I think there's a proud tradition of dog ownership in these sort of royal colonies.
01:03:16
Speaker 12: Positions.
01:03:17
Speaker 9: Anyone who has a mini dash hound, though, will know just how inhospitable they are. Right.
01:03:23
Speaker 12: So we've got to work through that. Yeah.
01:03:26
Speaker 7: At least you've got guard dogs.
01:03:27
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right.
01:03:27
Speaker 7: You could actually probably say, security, take the night off. We're fine. We've got the sausages.
01:03:32
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
01:03:33
Speaker 6: Phil on the text line says, are you looking forward to not having to put the garbage out or mow the lawn for the next five years?
01:03:38
Speaker 9: Excuse me. Well, that's one of the questions I had is, what night is bin night?
01:03:44
Speaker 15: So.
01:03:46
Speaker 12: Francis didn't tell me that. Yeah, and there's a lot of lawn there.
01:03:51
Speaker 9: One of my escapes has been just at home, get out, mow the lawns, cut back the hedges.
01:03:57
Speaker 6: I'm sure you still can.
01:03:58
Speaker 12: You're the governor.
01:03:59
Speaker 6: You can do whatever the hell you want.
01:04:00
Speaker 12: I think I need a ride on though.
01:04:02
Speaker 10: It's a lot of lawns.
01:04:03
Speaker 7: You might need to go back to the old house just to mow the lawn.
01:04:05
Speaker 12: Just for my sanity.
01:04:06
Speaker 6: Well, you'll be a loss to the police force commissioner and you'll be a loss for us getting to talk to you about it because you've had a way of talking about these issues and navigating them and being very approachable and fielded any manner of questions that we've been throwing at you over the years. And we've appreciated that access and that relationship and we'll miss it, but we obviously don't begrudge you what is a very worthy charge.
01:04:27
Speaker 12: Well, thanks Will.
01:04:28
Speaker 9: And Stacey, it's... It's always been a pleasure to come in and talk to you guys and David when he's not off overseas living the good life. It's been a respectful relationship where I've felt that I could talk freely about the things that are of interest to South Australians and I think I've got a new platform now where I can start to have a voice that will be a positive influence for a whole range of different things rather than just community safety.
01:04:59
Speaker 6: One of the things you're not aware of, too, in your new role is that you are the official. You will open the undie drive every year.
01:05:06
Speaker 12: Excellent.
01:05:06
Speaker 10: That's a non-negotiable.
01:05:07
Speaker 7: That wasn't a question from Will.
01:05:08
Speaker 6: That's a statement.
01:05:10
Speaker 9: Does that carry some level of protocol that avoids me having to play the tambourine again?
01:05:17
Speaker 12: Yes, it does.
01:05:17
Speaker 6: You've officially graduated beyond tambourine to opening the undie drive.
01:05:21
Speaker 12: I'm very happy with that.
01:05:24
Speaker 6: Commissioner.
01:05:24
Speaker 7: Thank you.
01:05:25
Speaker 6: Governor, come in. December 9, congratulations again. Thanks for coming in.
01:05:29
Speaker 8: Thanks, Will.
01:05:29
Speaker 12: Thanks, Stacey.
01:05:29
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01:05:48
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01:06:04
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01:06:47
Speaker 7: Don't worry, it happens to everyone. We're getting a lot of text messages in. Very pleased with the governor announcement.
01:06:56
Speaker 8: Meredith, what a perfect choice, Commissioner. You'll be brilliant at your new role. Jennifer Grant-Stevens, congratulations in your new position. Helen points out behind every successful man is a good woman. So happy for you both.
01:07:14
Speaker 12: Stop it.
01:07:15
Speaker 6: So I didn't say anything, Stacey.
01:07:17
Speaker 12: It was you.
01:07:18
Speaker 6: This is what happens when Koshi's not available. Things go off the rails. Got a right of knots. Yeah, a lot of lovely well wishes for the Police Commissioner Grant Stephens, though. We will ask Koshi in a moment about his thoughts on the migration debate because we are going to be joined by the Shadow Home Affairs Minister after 8.30 today. We've got hard numbers. This is now a scientific debate. This is not just about vagaries or who's got the best turn of phrase. I saw the Libs yesterday were road testing. Oh, what is it? It was something about... Higher standards. Oh, okay. And I thought, okay, that's interesting. That's what the debate has been to this point in time. Now we've got numbers, so we'll get into that after 8.30. If you've got an observation for us, positive or not, love to hear from you. I wonder too, among our One Nation voting listeners, be you a long-termer or a recent convert, are you moved at all by the new coalition position. So we'd see deeper cuts for two years, then a higher overall number, albeit it composed of more skilled visa holders, and then pegged to housing availability. Does it move you or are you lost to the Liberal Party? Because I think that's the main game here.
01:08:32
Speaker 7: Is it?
01:08:33
Speaker 8: Because I think a lot of people in the beginning moved to One Nation on a migration platform. That is the main platform that that party has championed for 30 years. since Pauline Hanson entered federal parliament. So if now the libs are being, in some people's eyes, somewhat stronger on migration, does that change their mind? Is it purely just a migration? Is it about reducing the numbers or getting the right... people in, in Angus Taylor's words? Is it just about that? If so, would you be moved back to the Liberal Party?
01:09:07
Speaker 7: Or are you sticking with the nation now?
01:09:09
Speaker 6: Let's just do a little quick straw poll based on what you've read. There are a lot of numbers just to read out to do it on air. We will get into that a bit more technically after 8.30, but based on what you understand the nature of things to be this morning, has it moved you? 0 to 4808 1395 or call us on 8223 0000. We were singing bye.
01:09:29
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01:09:37
Speaker 10: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:09:42
Speaker 6: Eight minutes after eight, breaking eight, coming up in just a moment, John O'Donoghue, the Shadow Home Affairs Minister, will join us after 8.30. The long-anticipated coalition migration policy was revealed in detail yesterday. We asked you before the break, has it shifted your vote? Has it moved you? Has it made you? Maybe if not, you're all the way there. Are you back seeing the coalition as a credible party that may deserve your vote at a future federal election? The returns are mixed on the text line. What we're going to do is read them out before we get into that interview to set that up after 8.30. So if you've got some thoughts on that, we'll continue to take them. Don't be deterred if we don't read it straight away because we will get into it after 8.30 this morning. We have Cheesefest tickets to give away and we are trying to work out what Adelaide is the world's best at. Melbourne has just won the world's friendliest city overnight. World's friendliest city.
01:10:36
Speaker 7: How are these things voted on?
01:10:39
Speaker 12: You know, I.
01:10:40
Speaker 6: Do you know how ridiculous it is? I'll tell you what their score was. Their score was 98.52. I don't know how that got arrived at, to answer your question. Adelaide is the wattiest city in the world. The wattiest city in the world for the Cheesefest tickets. Tony in Two Wells, good morning.
01:11:00
Speaker 15: Hey, how you going, guys?
01:11:01
Speaker 12: Good, Tony.
01:11:01
Speaker 8: Good.
01:11:02
Speaker 14: Well, there was a real no-brainer for me after seeing a lot of other cities around the place.
01:11:07
Speaker 24: I reckon Colonel Light bless us with the most liveable city.
01:11:10
Speaker 16: In the world.
01:11:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, the most liveable city in the world. Thank you, Tony. It is, being in Brisbane last week, seeing a roadmap compared to Adelaide, you take for granted you live in a city that actually makes sense.
01:11:21
Speaker 13: Yep.
01:11:21
Speaker 6: Graeme and Eyre, good morning. What Adelaide is the wattiest city.
01:11:24
Speaker 12: In the world?
01:11:24
Speaker 16: I would say the musical city in the world, I think, for its music. I'm actually a drummer from Melbourne and I've never drummed so much since I've been here.
01:11:35
Speaker 6: Is that right, Graeme?
01:11:35
Speaker 23: Really?
01:11:37
Speaker 6: I like that one.
01:11:37
Speaker 12: That's good.
01:11:38
Speaker 6: Let's go to Allenby Gardens. Sandra, Adelaide is the wattiest city in the world.
01:11:43
Speaker 19: The most organised city to finish a bottle of wine.
01:11:49
Speaker 13: Oh, I get it.
01:11:50
Speaker 19: And it doesn't matter where you do it.
01:11:52
Speaker 12: Yes, indeed.
01:11:55
Speaker 6: Thank you, Sandra.
01:11:56
Speaker 12: 8223 0000.
01:11:56
Speaker 6: I should read some text. The texts are less kind.
01:11:59
Speaker 7: You can take your.
01:12:00
Speaker 8: Bottle of wine home from a restaurant here. I don't think you can do that in other states.
01:12:04
Speaker 12: Is that right?
01:12:05
Speaker 7: I think that's quite an Adelaide-specific thing.
01:12:07
Speaker 6: Yes, you can walk out with it.
01:12:09
Speaker 8: Vincent on the text line, the road-workiest city in the world.
01:12:13
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:12:14
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:12:14
Speaker 6: It certainly feels that way.
01:12:16
Speaker 16: Yep.
01:12:16
Speaker 7: Claude, the whingiest city in the world.
01:12:19
Speaker 12: Are we? Probably.
01:12:20
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.
01:12:23
Speaker 8: Anthony, Adelaide is easily the best event city in the world. He then signs it off with, I just hope you don't have to go to the hospital while you're here.
01:12:31
Speaker 6: The rampiest?
01:12:32
Speaker 7: The rampiest city in the world.
01:12:36
Speaker 8: Scott, Adelaide is the most naughtiest, Melburniest city in the world.
01:12:40
Speaker 6: Well, that's not bad.
01:12:41
Speaker 20: Yeah.
01:12:42
Speaker 6: I like Cybert. It says Adelaide's the most predictable city in the world. The news in 2027 will include parklands anger, no rain in March, a car on the Oban and no panda babies. Well, that's our job done.
01:12:55
Speaker 7: Hey, speaking of panda babies.
01:12:57
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:12:58
Speaker 7: It's about that time of year.
01:12:59
Speaker 10: Is it?
01:12:59
Speaker 6: Where nothing happens.
01:13:00
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:13:01
Speaker 8: Yeah, where the season changes and the three-hour breeding window stops.
01:13:06
Speaker 6: Set your calendar for the thing that never happens. Stop breaking your nose.
01:13:12
Speaker 7: I actually forgot about breaking at eight after all that.
01:13:15
Speaker 8: But speaking of things that people complain about, the MotoGP, we spoke a couple of weeks ago to a councillor from the Norwood, Payneham and St Peter's Council who had some questions about how the MotoGP would impact that area. There is another council which is asking questions of the state government now about how it might impact.
01:13:36
Speaker 7: That area and their residents, Burnside Council.
01:13:40
Speaker 23: Oh.
01:13:42
Speaker 8: Which I think only just borders on where the track will be, if at all. But their main concern is about noise pollution. They've asked some questions of the government about the details of the track and the details of the race, and in particular about noise pollution.
01:14:00
Speaker 7: So they're waiting on a response from the government about it.
01:14:03
Speaker 6: The noise pollution, I mean, I've not been to a MotoGP race before, but is it dissimilar from a V8 race that they've already had to deal with? I don't know. Do you know what this reveals a little bit? And I know we were clipped up the other day for saying nice things about the city council, which happens very rarely. But I'm going to go over one step further. North Adelaide residents get a bad rap. Checking the noise pollution factor of the MotoGP, I wonder, do they just have more opportunity to whinge than everyone else? Would other councils whinge actually less? If you're doing noise pollution tests on the verge of the MotoGP track, I wonder if any council's actually immune to the kind of things that North Adelaide always gets labelled with or if they are just the ones that have the most events and things to whinge about.
01:14:53
Speaker 7: That's a good point. It's a good point.
01:14:57
Speaker 6: Tell us Burnside people, if you live in that area, how bad is the noise when the V8' s happening? I imagine it's apparent, it's obvious and it's a thing, but it's not like this is the first time it's happened.
01:15:09
Speaker 10: No.
01:15:10
Speaker 7: And you're right. Are the bikes that much louder than the cars?
01:15:13
Speaker 6: Any MotoGP enthusiast can tell us. I presume they sound different.
01:15:17
Speaker 12: Are they louder?
01:15:18
Speaker 6: Or maybe to give some cover to the Bernsegals. Maybe that's what they're wondering.
01:15:22
Speaker 8: I think they are asking questions and probably valid questions.
01:15:26
Speaker 12: Yes.
01:15:27
Speaker 7: And the government has yet to respond to the questions.
01:15:29
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:15:30
Speaker 7: I don't think they're the only ones with questions. Lots of people still waiting to see if it'll get the.
01:15:37
Speaker 8: Federal approval that is required and when the works are going to start, how long the roads will be closed down for, how long the Oban will need to shut down for. There's still a lot of questions that are unanswered about all of this. So Burnside councillors, join the list of people waiting for some questions.
01:15:51
Speaker 6: We're going to take some more calls on Adelaide as the wattiest city very shortly because the text line is exploding. There are some fantastic techs coming through at the moment. So what we might do is take a quick break. We have the Cheesefest tickets to give away. Cheesefest, of course, is not this weekend but the following weekend. Four tickets as well. So you take your significant other and another couple. You have a terrific day. Group of friends. It'll be a hell of a lot of fun. We'll get into more of that in just a moment. But first, let's check traffic. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof, designed, manufactured, and installed locally by Lubehouse.
01:16:29
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01:16:30
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01:16:35
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01:16:43
Speaker 6: Melbourne won the gong as the world's friendliest city overnight. We're wondering what Adelaide is the wattiest city. The most motorsportiest, says Paddy. Well, that works in the context of our Braking at eight. We just had a conversation wondering about how loud are MotoGP bikes compared to other forms of motorsport. And we've received a stack of different answers. Andrew says the bikes will be as loud as the V8s. Joe says MotoGP bikes are very loud. Formula One loud. Went to the bike GP at Supang and definitely needed earplugs. Thank you, Joe. Colin says they're a little louder than the V8s, similar to F1. But then the race only goes for 40 minutes, not two hours.
01:17:23
Speaker 22: Oh, really?
01:17:24
Speaker 7: Only 40 minutes of racing?
01:17:25
Speaker 6: Only 40 minutes of the top level. So there'd be other minor classifications and novelty races and stuff over the weekend, I imagine. But that's interesting.
01:17:35
Speaker 12: That is.
01:17:35
Speaker 6: I guess this is the kind of clarity that... See, Burnside Council just needed to ask our listeners. They don't need to commission some sort of study.
01:17:42
Speaker 7: It's one of those. Or somewhere in between all those.
01:17:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's some version of all that.
01:17:46
Speaker 7: Not as loud, much louder, or slightly louder. It'll be one of them.
01:17:49
Speaker 6: It's... It's not entirely clear yet. We'll work it out. Let's go to Modbury Heights. Joe, Adelaide is the wattiest city.
01:17:56
Speaker 16: Good morning, guys. How are you going?
01:17:58
Speaker 1: Good, Joe.
01:17:59
Speaker 16: I reckon it's the pottiest city in the world.
01:18:02
Speaker 4: I don't mean smoking pot, but then again, it could be.
01:18:05
Speaker 16: I mean the most potholes on the road.
01:18:08
Speaker 6: Oh, potholes. Well, funnily enough, that's been the big political issue in Victoria.
01:18:13
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:18:14
Speaker 6: The potholes over there. So they would lay claim to that one as well. Thank you, Joe.
01:18:18
Speaker 12: Michelle, good morning.
01:18:20
Speaker 23: Oh, good morning.
01:18:21
Speaker 11: How are you both?
01:18:21
Speaker 12: We're good, Michelle.
01:18:23
Speaker 16: That's good.
01:18:24
Speaker 2: I think Adelaide's the most ginsational city.
01:18:27
Speaker 4: We've got some great gin distilleries around.
01:18:29
Speaker 20: South Australia here.
01:18:30
Speaker 6: What's your favourite, Michelle?
01:18:33
Speaker 4: I must say Prohibition in Gilbert Street.
01:18:36
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a good one. Thank you, Michelle.
01:18:38
Speaker 6: It's a good call. Keep them coming in. We're going to award some Cheesefest tickets very, very shortly.
01:18:42
Speaker 8: Oh, now I'm just thinking about there's an Earl Grey gym.
01:18:46
Speaker 6: I've heard about this.
01:18:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:18:48
Speaker 6: It may have been from you, actually, now that I think about it.
01:18:50
Speaker 7: It's about tea time right now.
01:18:53
Speaker 12: Is it?
01:18:53
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:18:54
Speaker 6: Well, look, why not? It's five o'clock somewhere. There are five prostate cancer specialist nurses that work across Adelaide. Prostate cancer, of course, we've spoken about on the program.
01:19:06
Speaker 17: Mm-hmm.
01:19:06
Speaker 6: Common cancer among men, one in three cancers that are diagnosed in men in South Australia. Those nurses, their work is under threat because the federal government will end Commonwealth funding for 96 of these positions across the country, so five of them here, from the 30th of June next year. The PCFA are warning that the loss of the specialist expertise and continuity could fundamentally change how men navigate prostate cancer. One of those men is Mac McPherson, who joins us on the line now. Matt, good morning.
01:19:38
Speaker 15: Yeah, good morning, Will.
01:19:40
Speaker 14: Stacey, hi.
01:19:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, Matt, good to chat with you, mate. Just for our listeners that aren't aware of the role that these nurses play and how important they are for you, give us a sense of what sort of service they provide.
01:19:51
Speaker 14: Yeah, sure. So my prostate cancer specialist nurse, Kirstie, works at the RAL. She's a part of a small team, including our oncologist. And really, she is... A constant. She provides reliable information. She's knowledgeable. She delivers it with some warmth and humanity and a lot of compassion if she's needed at times. She's great at translating some of the really quite new, difficult language around prostate cancer and symptoms and things to expect. She has a great sense of where things are going because she has so much experience. She actually is providing care to 350 patients PC sufferers at the moment.
01:20:38
Speaker 16: Wow.
01:20:39
Speaker 6: So what does your world look like? I imagine you've thought about it. In the absence of someone who's in that role, if those roles disappear, what is it like being a prostate cancer sufferer in South Australia or indeed around the country?
01:20:52
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I think for all of us here in SA and everywhere else, the idea of not having someone who's intimate with your case. The thing about prostate cancer, I mean, we we think about prostate cancer as a thing. Actually, it's incredibly nuanced. It's different for every single person who comes face-to-face with it. Whether you're stage one or through stage four metastatic cancer that's aggressive due to a BRCA gene flaw like me, or first instance of having contained stage one, the thing about the nurses is They know everything, all stages. They know what to expect. They know what's coming. They're very attentive and focused on the individuals in their care at any one time. And they're just able to lay out a bit of a map, which is incredibly helpful, to offer some constancy and communication. I can text Kirsty or phone her, and she checks in on me all the time. It's a very intimate, really, very powerful service.
01:21:57
Speaker 15: Mm-hmm.
01:21:58
Speaker 7: What did you think when you found out the federal government was pulling the funding?
01:22:04
Speaker 12: Yeah, appalled.
01:22:06
Speaker 14: Not surprised, sadly. I know that this government is claiming to be needing to find savings and is making a big deal of that. The thing is, this isn't a place to make a saving. This decision, which I think is the wrong decision, is actually about denying people who have got a big enough fight on their hands without being undermined by people who take their resources away. Prostate cancer special nurses are the resource. Those 131 nurses nationally look after 22,000 people a year.
01:22:40
Speaker 6: 22,000 men.
01:22:41
Speaker 14: So the idea of the prostate cancer nurse being undermined, the PSFA having their numbers diluted, that's really about taking things away rather than building things up. The government itself said this is a high-quality service of the PCFA, an amazing contribution, and then they take the money away and claim that general cancer nurses through McGrath will be a better outcome for patients. I don't agree.
01:23:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not the experience you've just developed to us, Mac, and we're talking about, what, 96 positions?
01:23:20
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:23:21
Speaker 6: It's not exactly the blowout of the NDIS.
01:23:23
Speaker 16: Nationwide.
01:23:24
Speaker 6: Nationwide.
01:23:25
Speaker 7: Five in Adelaide.
01:23:25
Speaker 6: Five in Adelaide. One taking care of 300 patients.
01:23:29
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:23:31
Speaker 6: Doesn't scream inefficiency. Mac, thank you. We appreciate that. That's the most important insight you're going to hear about that story from someone who's living in it right now. Mac McPherson, who has a stage four prostate cancer and is relying on this service to do much more than just navigate where you get your treatment and book in bits and pieces.
01:23:51
Speaker 23: Yeah.
01:23:51
Speaker 6: Talk about, based on their experience, what they've seen, this is what's going to happen, this is where it can go, and so forth. Invaluable kind of institutional knowledge that gets lost if you just get shuttled out to some generic. And I don't mean to be disparaging towards other nurses. They have a terrific job, but the specialist is a specialist.
01:24:11
Speaker 7: And there's a reason why.
01:24:13
Speaker 8: You know, hearing from Mac and others who have suffered with prostate cancer, there is a reason that these people's jobs exist.
01:24:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right. I think we might take one more. Adelaide is the walkiest city nomination, and that person's going to be Linda in Heathfield. Linda, Adelaide is the walkiest city.
01:24:31
Speaker 2: Is it walkiest city?
01:24:32
Speaker 15: Yes.
01:24:34
Speaker 4: It's really good for hikes and trails.
01:24:35
Speaker 1: The walkiest?
01:24:36
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:24:37
Speaker 6: The what? The walkiest. I don't mind that.
01:24:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, the walkiest, absolutely, and the bestest group that you could meet. I'm saying that I did have a fall last week and broke my arm.
01:24:48
Speaker 6: Oh, no.
01:24:49
Speaker 4: So, yes, I did. But, yeah, we have got some great, great trails with the Bullock Trail, Kaipo, you name it.
01:24:57
Speaker 6: What's your favourite one, Linda?
01:24:59
Speaker 4: Oh, I'd have to say the Bullock Trail that goes to overlooking the city and down to Beaumont House. for the, yeah, that one. But I'm not allowed to say I had a fall because the kids were ready to put me in a nursing home. Otherwise, I fell over.
01:25:16
Speaker 6: You fell over. It's a critical moment when you stop falling over and start having a fall.
01:25:20
Speaker 7: Having a fall, yeah.
01:25:21
Speaker 8: I've had that conversation with my mum too. So can you please not say it like that? It has a different meaning.
01:25:25
Speaker 6: Thank you, Linda.
01:25:27
Speaker 7: Hope you're okay, Linda.
01:25:28
Speaker 6: Linda, who has nominated us the walkiest city who fell over, did not have a fall.
01:25:32
Speaker 12: No.
01:25:32
Speaker 6: Linda, who is now in the running for the Cheesefest tickets. Should we give them away? Should we give away the Cheese Fest tickets? Let's do it.
01:25:38
Speaker 7: Well, she broke her arm.
01:25:39
Speaker 6: I hate Linda. Linda, you're off to... Take the kids. You only need one arm to eat cheese, don't you?
01:25:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
01:25:45
Speaker 6: Get someone else to carry the tickets. You carry the cheese, and you'll have a fantastic time. Not this weekend, but next weekend, Cheese Fest returns to Rundle Park, October 17 and 18. Get your tickets from cheesefest.com.au. We're talking migration. After the break, it's been the dominant topic of conversation in federal politics for the entirety of this year, and it's taken until yesterday for the coalition to put together a cogent policy. We have the details now. They've trod a sort of middle ground. John O'Donoghue is going to join us, the Shadow Home Affairs Minister, to tease out some of that. We've been asking you this morning, has it moved you at all? Are you moving back to the coalition?
01:26:24
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
01:26:25
Speaker 6: You shifted away. Do you believe them? Do you trust them? Is this a good, positive step? Lots of great feedback. You're going to hear about it on the other side of this break.
01:26:35
Speaker 3: Knockdown Bill 2 with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:26:43
Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:26:47
Speaker 6: 20 minutes to nine. Shadow Minister for Home Affairs, Senator John O'Donoghue will join us in just a moment. We asked you before eight o'clock about the Coalition's new immigration policy, which in short would see a cut to net overseas migration of 100,000 for two years, then increased to 160,000 by 2032, and then after that point be pegged to housing construction. Whether this moves you, are you someone who's moved from being a traditional Liberal voter to voting for One Nation or maybe elsewhere in the political spectrum? Is this enough to get you to look at the Coalition seriously? And we've got some text to this effect.
01:27:29
Speaker 7: Yeah, some differing views. Are you moved by this, Andrew? No, I'm not. For me, the Coalition are just doing it for votes. It's not what they believe in.
01:27:37
Speaker 8: Anthony says, I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet, but the Liberal Party party's plan for immigration is a good start as something needs to be done ASAP, but there's a lot more work to go through. And then this one from Simon. As a conservative voter, this is really good from the Liberal Party. We've always trusted them more on the economy, and this has been their one area of weakness.
01:27:57
Speaker 7: So it's good to see it is being resolved.
01:27:59
Speaker 6: Well, and I think by that measure, there's an element of this that I really like. And we've spoken in the past about the migration debate becoming some sort of reverse auction where the person who says the lowest number wins and there's not a lot of science and frankly intelligence to that kind of the way in which this debate's been framed to this point and Angus Taylor made a couple of points yesterday that are worth registering as we contemplate the value of this policy and that is and this might sound really crass but diluting the contribution of a potential migrant down to their economic value. And he says a skilled migrant– these are by their numbers, Parliamentary Budget Office numbers that they haven't released, but this is what they're saying uh these the skilled migrants they want to increase the intake of uh are worth about seven of those that are now being turned away in a in a purely how much tax do you pay how much do you contribute to the economy so that's why the coalition are arguing We've got a number that will have a net neutral impact on the budget. This is not going to cost Australians. I think there's a small, tiny benefit. It's effectively net neutral. So they've tried to find a ground that meets the public's desire for a reduction in migration, but at the same time isn't going to lead to economic ruin. Now, a lot of business entities disagree with this, and this is where I want to bring in Senator John O'Donoghue into the conversation. Senator, good morning to you.
01:29:22
Speaker 24: Good morning to both of you. Thanks for having me.
01:29:24
Speaker 6: Good to have you on board. So the Business Council of Australia are saying that the $ 650, 000 cut in temporary visas risks worsening skill gaps. You've got the Australian Chamber of Commerce saying that this policy is not a good thing and would undermine the growth rate of the Australian economy and our future growth potential. Do you, in pursuit of One Nation votes, risk surrendering the Liberal Party's traditional ground as the party of business?
01:29:55
Speaker 24: Well, first and foremost, this policy is about righting wrongs in the immigration system, getting it right. We've long been on record talking about what's wrong with how this government's been managing it, where we need to, and now we're laying out where we think changes should occur. Now, in terms of the reduction in the temporary visa holder population of 650,000, a huge portion of those are people on bridging visas. I would love to know what analysis the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry or the Australian Industry Group have done on what skills gaps those groups, that group of people are filling. The point we're making here, and you referenced it a little bit just in your opening remarks there, that our plan is about removing people from our country and indeed ending the pipeline of people coming in and occupying temporary visa positions in this country and replacing them with people who come here based on skills need. So, for example, the temporary graduate visa program, which enables any international student who concludes their study to stay on and work, not necessarily in their profession and certainly not dictated to by what skills gaps we have in this country. If you conclude your study here, let's say you've done engineering, medicine or even perhaps commerce or law. you can then go offshore and apply for a skilled visa, and then you will be selected to come to this country based on the skills we need. That is good for our economy. That is good for filling skills gaps deliberately.
01:31:23
Speaker 6: Yes, meeting skills gaps and growing the Australian economy are two discrete issues, and I think the business community are pushing back on, effectively, this policy putting the brakes on economic growth.
01:31:34
Speaker 12: Yeah, well.
01:31:37
Speaker 24: I'm not sure how that is the case. By actually replacing people who don't necessarily fill a skills gap, and based on the analysis we've done, broadly don't fill the skills gaps, yes, they might do jobs, there might be Uber drivers, there might be hairdressers, there might even be some of the skills we need, but not by majority. And to that end, what we're saying is, Our policy around immigration needs to be deliberate. So we have skills gaps. Government policy should, when it comes to immigration, dictate that those people are coming here should fill those gaps. Under the current program with temporary graduate visas and certainly with bridging visa holders, they do not fill the gaps. They can be anywhere doing anything they want in any profession, not directed to filling gaps. So one, we have to bring the numbers down. We've, as you've already outlined to your listeners, we've outlined how we'll do that. But then this is about not only offsetting costs to the budget, but filling skills gaps so we can continue to grow the economy. And if you have people working in the sectors where they're needed as opposed to ones where they're not, that's how you keep economic growth up. And that's what our plan does.
01:32:44
Speaker 8: You mentioned they're removing people from our country who shouldn't be here. And you're not the only party that is focusing on that as part of the migration plan.
01:32:53
Speaker 7: But how.
01:32:54
Speaker 8: will the Liberal Party do that? How will you remove those migrants who are not meant to be here anymore?
01:33:00
Speaker 24: Well, the first cohort that, of course, is subject to that approach in the policy we're taking is the 77,000 people who are overstaying whatever visa they have previously been here on, people who are legally not entitled to be here. You talk to any expert when it comes to management of immigration, detention and matters related to managing the inflows and outflows of these people, particularly when it comes to illegal overstayers, locating and identifying individuals who've outstayed their visas in this country, given the landmass we have and the regional dispersal of our population, is the most difficult part. So we would empower and augment the capacity for the Department of Home Affairs to locate and identify these people and then assist them out of our country. That is through using intelligence functions which aren't currently used. There is an amazing amount of resource available to our government through ASIO, through Signals Director and other intelligence functions that would enable the government to better, more efficiently locate these people and then apply the law, which of course means assisting these people out of Australia, which is what needs to happen at law to maintain integrity in this system.
01:34:16
Speaker 6: Did the Parliamentary Budget Office in your modelling look at what the impact would be on housing of your combined policy positions of, one, reducing the net overseas migration intake and, two, reversing the federal government's budget decisions on the capital gains tax discount and negative gearing?
01:34:35
Speaker 24: The overall work on all of those changes related to housing is something that I'm sure Andrew Bragg the Shadow Minister for Housing, will be able to speak about. Yes, analysis was done by the PBO with regard to the impact that our policy will have when it comes to housing. And an element of that, of course, is back to what we were talking about before, providing visas to people who have skills that we need. And the first cohort we would target, and one of the highest priorities we would accord to skilled visa applicants, is anyone from the housing and construction profession. Because as part of this complicated solution to dealing with the housing crisis, we've got to get the labour in to help build the homes we need, which then, of course, alleviates part of the problem. Supply, rather, is part of the problem. And, of course, our immigration policy not only deals with elements of supply, but also demand. So there was work done on that. Of course, we have predicated our policy, though, on existing numbers, that is, where Labor are at with the number of houses they're building in this country. Our policy is aimed at speeding up the ability to construct homes in this country that we need and then subsequently, of course, training up more people in this country to be able to build the houses we need. And in the interim period, that period where we do cut the net overseas migration number, reduced demand. So those combined efforts will, of course, enable us to catch up and ensure that we deal with this housing crisis.
01:36:12
Speaker 8: So we could be in a situation where we're bringing in more migrants than we are now. If the focus, as you've just said, is on bringing in skilled migrants who can build houses, if we start building houses really quickly and you're pegging migration to the number of houses built, we could bring in more migrants than we currently are.
01:36:30
Speaker 24: Well, it would be a great problem to have, wouldn't it, to outpace demand with supply, which is a long way from where we are right now. And of course, we always want to be providing more than our country needs when it comes to these sorts of basic rights, whether it's housing or health or education services. So, And, you know, if we really, one, if we're elected, two, if we did a great job and we're able to rectify all of these problems facing the Australian people, then that may well be a possibility. But at the end of the day, what we've got to do now is deal with the problem we face, which is immigration's been out of control. We have to bring the numbers down. Of the number we do bring in, which is a smaller number, we need to then, of course, make sure they're the people we need, the skills we need in this country. That's what this is about. It's about Australia first and making sure we get out of the migration system what we need. There's no shame in saying that and it's the right approach.
01:37:31
Speaker 6: Senator John O'Donoghue, we appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us.
01:37:34
Speaker 24: Thanks for having me.
01:37:35
Speaker 16: Take care.
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Speaker 6: That's the Senator, the Shadow Minister for Home Affairs. Lots of feedback coming through on the text line. We're going to get to some of those in just a moment. 0248 08 13 95 for your thoughts or you can call us on 8223 0000. Three plans to choose from. Which one do you prefer, folks? Simple as that on this issue because we've got three detailed and varying policies for dealing with migration in Australia that will be presented at the next federal election. Let's check traffic. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof, designed, manufactured and installed locally by Lubau.
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Speaker 3: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
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Speaker 10: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 6: Five to nine. Lots of feedback coming through on the text line. We'll get to that in just a moment. We have 36ers tickets to give away. Everyone needs to pump the brakes on doomerism when it comes to the 36ers. It's an injury crisis. There's a new coach.
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Speaker 7: You've got the faith.
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Speaker 6: I've got faith. It was always going to be a rough start. They just need to stay above water. A lot of that will play out tonight at the Entertainment Centre.
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Speaker 7: And the new player.
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Speaker 12: That's right.
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Speaker 6: Corey Webster coming in.
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Speaker 7: Came in last night, didn't he?
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Speaker 6: He came in last night. They just need warm bodies at the moment. So we've got a double pass.
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Speaker 12: Get along.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of feedback on the Liberal Party's migration plan. This one from Claude. Liberals and One Nation doing Trump-style politics. These policies will destroy the economy. Not sure which Aussies will do the jobs. Low birth rates, ageing population, almost full employment at the moment. This is populist politics at its best. But then there's thoughts like Andrew's. It's about getting the right people from the two million-odd immigrants we've allowed in in the past four and a half years. We still have a skills shortage.
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Speaker 10: Which is true.
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Speaker 7: We're almost at full employment, but we.
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Speaker 8: Have a skills shortage. So this is where we do need migration to a certain extent. But as a lot of people point out, we are not the UK. We do not have people that can just come over the border without us knowing. The lucky place that we're situated in the world means we can pick and choose who comes into this country.
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Speaker 6: And we were just talking about it during the break. I think I think they've managed to very cleverly actually craft, in an environment that's been very led by One Nation, there's no doubt about it, a traditionally liberal-style immigration policy. Whether you despise this or think it has value, it's based in economics. It's based in contribution to the overall economy. It's based in limited disruption to business and things like skilled migration and building homes. And I think that was always my, I was wondering, are they just going to do a watered down, are they going to be watered down One Nation? And I don't actually think this is. No. This feels like a liberal policy.
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Speaker 8: And being able to come on the radio and communicate it coherently and explain that economic argument for it. When One Nation released their policy, we tried to get them on. We couldn't get them on the radio station. I don't know if it's just because they've got their one or two spokespeople in Canberra and they don't allow anyone else to speak on it or what it is.
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Speaker 7: It seems to be very controlled at the moment.
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Speaker 8: Maybe they don't trust their candidates or their, their local MPs to talk about these issues. But being able to come on the radio and explain it coherently in a structured way that people can understand helps.
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Speaker 6: And look, we've got Labor people that are texting us at the moment saying this will destroy the economy, they won't like it. But it is now, they are three readably discernible positions and it's going to be fascinating to watch them all get dissected. Now, D-Drink, who Kenny, congratulations to you, you're off to watch the 36ers. Let's round things out with Fuel Watch on this Wednesday morning. It's better to be a member with RAA Road Service. I'm not going to call them cheap spots anymore. I'm retiring that language because, look, frankly, it's just inaccurate. The cheapest spots, though, are United Melrose Park South Road, $ 2. 21. 9, and the cheapest diesel is at the United Henley Beach Road, $ 2.
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Speaker 4: 78. 5.
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Speaker 6: It's going to be a lovely day. It will warm up, folks. We'll catch you tomorrow morning from 6 o'clock.
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Speaker 15: I was trying to find.
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Speaker 22: My way along.
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Speaker 10: Bouncin' off a satellite Crushin.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure Government House could put up with two little sausage dogs running riot.
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Speaker 2: Good morning.
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Speaker 3: Knockdown Bill 2 with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it.
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Speaker 4: All for you.
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Speaker 5: Live from Hindmarsh Square, it's 5AA Breakfast. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 6: Well, they're going to have to work out a way to get the dogs in there and people and all the rest of the Stevens clan as well, because we have a new governor, the former. At what point does it all change? Grant Stevens, anyway.
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Speaker 7: I guess we'll find out today.
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Speaker 6: Whether he's His Excellency or the Police Commissioner will be joining us today in the studio before eight o'clock. Looking forward to talking to him about that. It's something we have spoken to him about himself. with him in the past. Stace, you specifically back in April had this exchange with the incoming Governor.
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Speaker 8: Could I soon be introducing you as His Excellency the Honourable Grant Stephens, Governor of South Australia?
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Speaker 1: It's been a prevailing rumour, which is simply that it's a rumour. I'm not sure Government House could put up with two little sausage dogs running riot in the massive yard. I think this rumour started... before the current governor took over the role. So it's been one of those things that's been around for a while.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's not life imitating art, but maybe it's a rumour that became a truth. Well, we know it is now because in September he was approached. Anyway, we'll talk to him about it. Was his mind changed? Did they have to talk him into it? This is really intriguing. Police Commissioner Grant Stephens has become the new governor and will be on the show before 8. David Koch will be on the program as well. It means we've flipped around some things. Sean Fuster after 7 o'clock today will go around the courts. Did anyone see Saturn in the sky last night? This is as good as it gets for seeing Saturn. Apparently, not only can you see it with your naked eye, but the most basic telescope out there, you can see Saturn's rings at the moment. I'm reliably informed.
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Speaker 9: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 6: So ANU.
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Speaker 6: Our wonderful guest that we love talking to, astrophysicist Brad Tucker, will join us before seven today as well. Big morning ahead. Love you to be part of it. 8223 0000. Officially good morning to you, Stace.
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Speaker 7: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 6: Bit of a shock yesterday, wasn't it?
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Speaker 10: You know what?
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Speaker 8: I saw the news and I thought I shouldn't be surprised by this, but I somewhat am because it had been a rumour for such a long period of time. I mean, yeah, as you just heard, in April, Grant Stephens and I had a conversation about it, but then- It really died down. And it seems like, yeah, a couple of weeks ago in September, the government approached him. So I wonder what happened between then and now.
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, no one really knows enough about the inner workings of how, you know, gubernatorial appointments work. But it just feels late in the process that he was approached. Four weeks ago, officially, we don't know. Maybe there'd been other sounding outs and maybe there'd been a period of wooing and Maybe he wasn't sure. Because one thing I thought was really nice, it sounded like the thing with which he grappled most with was the idea of leaving the police force at the press conference yesterday. You could tell that really tore at him, the idea of walking away from that part of his life. That had been his life for such a long period of time. So, yeah, we'll get to the bottom of that stuff when he comes in after 7.30 today. I suspect it probably means it's the end of our regular Grant Stephens catch-ups as well, end of an era on 5AA Breakfast 2. He's left us for the house.
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Speaker 7: Well, he finishes up in... Oh, he starts in December. So I wonder, is this the last time?
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Speaker 8: Or does he still keep working as police commissioner until December?
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: These are all great questions. He's out of the Adelaide Football Club. It's an exodus now out of the Adelaide Football Club. Stephen's just the latest name on the way out. I might ask him about that as well. I want to ask Stace about a rumour I've heard about Christmas decorations at your place, because I suspect you might be.
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Speaker 6: The high watermark for early Christmas decoration this year in Adelaide?
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Speaker 7: I do have my Christmas tree up, yes.
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Speaker 6: The whole tree?
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Speaker 7: The whole tree.
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Speaker 6: What, with baubles?
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Speaker 7: It's baubles.
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Speaker 6: Star on top.
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Speaker 7: It's got the decoration on top. Yet this year it's a bow.
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Speaker 6: It's a bow.
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Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
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Speaker 7: It's a bow, not a star this year. But, yes, the tree is up and the decorations are on. I know.
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Speaker 6: Is this a regular?
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Speaker 10: No, not usually.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 8: I think I'm allowed to say it, but I'm doing a little photo with SA Life this afternoon for the Christmas edition, and obviously magazines work months in advance. They didn't have to twist my arm too much to get me to put the tree up. They said, can we do a photo, a Christmas photo? Do you mind having some tinsel in the background or some decorations?
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Speaker 7: I said, oh, tinsel? I'll do the tree. So the tree's up.
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Speaker 6: Oh, that's superb. So you went the next step. We want to know this morning– Who is the first in Adelaide to put up their tree and their Christmas decorations? It's October 7th. It should be too early to have this conversation.
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Speaker 7: It was up on the long weekend.
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Speaker 6: And surely no one out there has put it up faster than Stace has this year. But are we in the realm of you thinking about it, folks? 8223 0000 or text us on 04808 1395. We know the Christmas pageant is sort of the start, officially, of the Christmas period where I reckon if you clustered Christmas all the various trees going up, that's the weekend where most of them.
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Speaker 12: Are going up.
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Speaker 6: So we're looking for people who do it pre-pagent.
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Speaker 8: But what happens from next year when the GP's on? And what if the pageant's a week later? I don't like the idea of waiting an extra week.
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Speaker 6: Oh, well, no, the tradition simply becomes everyone's tree goes up during the MotoGP.
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Speaker 13: Right, okay.
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Speaker 6: That becomes the logical next step.
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Speaker 7: MotoGP time, time for the tree.
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Speaker 6: I mean, there would be some irony in trees going up for the MotoGP, I guess.
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Speaker 7: Thousands coming down, yeah.
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Speaker 6: 8223 0000. Do you suspect you lay claim, listener, to putting up your decorations the earliest? What's the earliest you've ever done it? We'd love to hear from you. I'm the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, when do you put yours up?
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Speaker 6: We get the box out generally at a reasonable time, sort of early December, with the tree in it, and it sits in the lounge room generally until about the 23rd of December, 22nd in the box, while we have Vague references in the household too. We've got to put up a tree this weekend and it just doesn't happen until it's nearly Christmas. So if you think you might be first, we'd love to hear from you 14 minutes after six.
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Speaker 10: Knockdown.
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Speaker 3: Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
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Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 6: It's as good as viewing gets to see Saturn at the moment, and Sue in Christie's Beach has sent us through a picture that she has taken. Sue's on the line. Morning to you, Sue.
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Speaker 2: Good morning. How are you?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're well, Sue. You've sent us a picture of Saturn in which you can see the rings. Tell me you didn't just take that with your mobile phone.
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Speaker 15: I did.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 2: There's an argument for iPhones versus the other ones, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Well, the quality of the camera is unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: You're right. You can, if you zoom in on that image, see it. So just tell our listeners, because we will chat with Brad Tucker about all the science of this, but in which direction are you looking? How can people see it?
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Speaker 15: Up.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You can't now. But when I got, because it rose at four o'clock and I got up about five or so. No, no.
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Speaker 1: Five o'clock.
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Speaker 16: And.
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Speaker 2: I looked it up on the phone, on the app thing, and it said it was in the northwestern sky. So I went and had a look and lined it up with some pencil plans we'd got, and there it was. And it was pretty obviously it, because not with the naked eye, but like you say, as soon as you blew the photo up, you could see the ring.
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Speaker 16: Wow.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking here to a kid who 60 years ago used to climb out the window at night and go and stare at the sky all night. So I've always been fascinated with that and stuff like that.
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Speaker 6: And it's never been easier now. You've got those wonderful apps you can use that use that sort of augmented reality where you literally don't need to be an expert at all. You can just hold it up in the sky and it'll point you in the direction. Do you want to see Mars? We'll go this way or we'll go that way. Sue, thank you.
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Speaker 12: We appreciate that.
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Speaker 6: I wonder if anyone else caught photos of Saturn. Send them through to 0248081395. Lots of Christmas decoration chat coming through on the text line at the moment as well.
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Speaker 7: Lots of Christmas.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure there's anyone else who has their tree up yet.
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Speaker 7: Um, but Andrew's correct.
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Speaker 8: He says, I reckon Molly would be loving the Christmas tree going up early and being up for longer.
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Speaker 7: She is Andrew.
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Speaker 8: And it was actually beautiful to see her face when she, she was napping yesterday when I put all the baubles on and she came out and she said, Ooh, and her favorite thing at the moment is a kookaburra. So I bought her a kookaburra, um, and she came out and was making the kookaburra noise at the tree pointing at it.
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Speaker 12: Oh, that's fantastic.
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Speaker 7: It was very, very cute.
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Speaker 6: Keep your Christmas decoration. We were looking for people doing it early because Stacey's tree is up and we're wondering, she can't be the only one or is she the only one? And if so, when does the second one come on board? Maybe it's you. Give us a call, 8223 0000. Rob makes an interesting observation and ponders a very exciting possibility. He says, with the excellent appointment of Grant Stephens as our next governor... and having him have to step down from the Crows board, does this present an opportunity next year that if the Crows have a howler of a year, he has the power to dissolve the Crows board, giving John Olsen the chance at Adelaide Oval to have his, well, may we say, God save the King moment. Can you confirm or deny this with him, please? Rob, I will be putting that specifically to you. Do the powers of the governor in South Australia extend to the dissolution of the Crows Board?
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Speaker 12: They should.
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Speaker 6: I think the two things should be tied. It should be expressly apparent in the Constitution.
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Speaker 8: I think potentially Grant Stevens would be more inclined to dissolve Port Adelaide.
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Speaker 12: That's true. Just in general, altogether.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he might just dissolve a whole bunch of stuff. But we haven't had a good meddling governor for a while. I'm not sure if we ever have.
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Speaker 7: No, not here. That'll be interesting to see. I like that. We'll ask him, Rob.
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Speaker 8: If you've got a question for the incoming, I was about to say police commissioner, outgoing police commissioner, incoming governor of South Australia, let us know. Anne says, there's a house near us and they never take their Christmas decorations down.
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Speaker 7: The door wreath and fence tinsel are a permanent fixture.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 7: See, I think that's the ultimate laziness.
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Speaker 6: I've left the old door wreath up for a while. The fence tinsel is a bit hard to justify.
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Speaker 7: But even the door wreath is the easiest thing.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 7: And you walk past it all the time.
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Speaker 6: You just lob it off. Laziness knows no logic.
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Speaker 17: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I do wonder with some of this, with this question this morning, if we're running into the reality that the sort of people that really decorate trees early are also the sort of people that do Halloween.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 6: So I wonder if there's a hard barrier before trees start going up in Adelaide because the real problem excited decorators are getting into Halloween mode at the moment.
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Speaker 8: That's a good thought because I did go into a few stores to buy some new decorations and they didn't have their Christmas stuff up, but they did have Halloween.
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Speaker 11: Yes.
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Speaker 7: And I thought, well, what is this?
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Speaker 6: I don't like Halloween.
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Speaker 7: It's not really my thing. I'd much rather Christmas.
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Speaker 6: And it's all banned now anyway. I was listening when I was away. Now, Rob says, no, Andrew says, I'd rather Rob's idea be inflicted on our current prime minister. Well, I don't think that might be extending beyond the, powers of the South Australian governor, but we can get Grant Stevens to look into it, I'm sure, of that. Sharon points out that it's a wonderful and appropriate honour for Grant's wife, Emma, as well, and says good luck to Assistant Police Commissioner Linda Williams to become SA's first female police commissioner replacing Grant Stevens. Now, that's not... I don't know if that's confirmed. No, because they've said they're going to do a global search of Now, it may end up being one of those global searches where they come back and say, well, the best person was here all along. And the new health boss was an internal appointment. So there is maybe an appetite for some internal promotion here in South Australia at the moment. But historically, they have looked for appointments of that size globally.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, Grant Stevens was an internal appointment as well. He was an assistant commissioner before he became police commissioner. I think Linda Williams would be a great appointment. And it would be nice to have our first female police commissioner. I'm with you on that one, Sharon. She actually tells a really great story about how when she joined SA Police, the women were issued a handbag. It was a police-issued handbag.
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Speaker 6: What did you put in there, your pistol?
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Speaker 7: I think so.
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Speaker 12: The cuffs?
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Speaker 8: And they had sort of a kitten heel and a skirt as well. So that's what you got as a female police officer.
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Speaker 7: Here's your issued handbag.
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Speaker 6: Things have changed. A bit like the Christmas pageant, which– For a decade, we're told, on the text line as well, happened the week earlier. So the MotoGP shifting it a week later is not unprecedented, albeit, as you made the point in the break, a week earlier is probably a little bit nicer.
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Speaker 7: I'd like a week earlier.
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Speaker 6: A week earlier is pretty nice. And Ben Jordan, our resident statsman, says the first Christmas pageant in 1933 was on November 18, which is five days later than the date for next year's pageant.
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Speaker 7: No, I don't like that. If we're moving the date of the pageant, it has to be earlier, not later.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, all right.
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Speaker 7: We should be celebrating Christmas for longer.
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Speaker 6: It's 11.5 degrees outside in the city at the moment. The apparent temperature is 7.3, so it's actually going to feel kind of cool. It won't last that way for long because today we're heading for a nice warm top of 23, really sunny day. Not as sunny as tomorrow, which is the pick of them for the next seven days or so. 28 degrees tomorrow. Friday is, and this is just spring in Adelaide, 6 to 20 millimetres of rain. So we're going to go from a sunny 28 clear day tomorrow to 6 to 20 mils and a change on Friday. Drops down to 19 Saturday. Back up to 25 on Sunday with some rain about the place. Then it gets serious again Monday, 1 to 10 mils and a change to 19. But how about this? Tuesday next week, 14 the top.
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Speaker 10: What?
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Speaker 6: Welcome back winter. Zero to 7 millimetres of rain. 14 degrees, the forecast maximum. No, thank you. Tom Renz in the 5AA Breakfast Studios. We turn our attention to sport. Agostina Mitsubishi's demo clearance is on now. Slave on the Pajero Sport, ASX, Triton and Outlander, Nailsworth and Mawson Lakes. Morning to you, Rennie.
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Speaker 12: Morning, Will.
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Speaker 13: Morning, Stacey. We'll start with some football. Gee, didn't Neil Barham get testy yesterday?
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Which, you know what? I think Crows fans would love that, that he's showing a bit of, you know, fight and resistance and all of that. I guess the question is, is it a moot point now? Should Club have come out stronger at the time?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think he said that. He said they should have come out stronger at the time. It was a bit of a whack, wasn't it? It was interesting because he spoke in a way that we have grown quite unaccustomed to hearing Crows officials speak.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Plainly.
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, plainly and honestly. And he sounded like a person, not someone who's, you know, some sort of corporate crisis comms person that's been brought in.
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Speaker 13: There was a hard edge, wasn't there?
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Speaker 18: It was great.
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Speaker 6: He sounded like a football person.
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Speaker 15: Yep.
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Speaker 6: That's what you want your club to sound like. If the decision doesn't go your way or the reporting you think has been unfair, no one's saving lives here.
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Speaker 13: This is football. Now, that said, it's back page news today. I think Nix is under pressure. It doesn't change the fact I think next year he's under enormous pressure. I think Ross Lyon, number one in the league.
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Speaker 15: Yep.
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Speaker 13: I think Nix is number two.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: They both suffer from the same circumstance, don't they? They've both been at the clubs for a long time.
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Speaker 17: Yep.
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Speaker 13: It's just inevitable. And Bam mentioned that yesterday. He said, look, it's inevitable that all coaches come under the spotlight at some point. So we'll see how that unfolds.
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Speaker 6: Fascinating.
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Speaker 13: Day three of trade period. Is it too long, Will, Stacey?
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Speaker 12: I think it's too long.
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Speaker 6: Well, just have it go on from the moment the season finishes.
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Speaker 17: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: It clearly does. I don't know why we pretend.
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Speaker 13: That it's only just started now.
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Speaker 6: People jump into a room at Marvel Stadium. It's the first time they've talked about deals. It's been happening for 10 months. It feels to me like now it's a controlled media spectacle. The AFL tries to manufacture as opposed to anything with any sort of functional utility.
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Speaker 7: AFL trying to manufacture media stories?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I know. What a fool.
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Speaker 13: Such a sceptic. So, no, Zach Butters. You've obviously got Kosh on this morning. I'm not sure how much they can say, but I think it will get done, but there's another seven days to go. It finishes next Wednesday, so... I think it'll go late, but I do think it'll get done, that one.
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Speaker 6: They must know broadly what the parameters of a deal are.
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Speaker 12: Definitely.
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Speaker 13: I think they're arguing the tin tax now.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 13: You know, trying to get there. So, yeah, the trade period rolls on, so we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 7: And what about the 36ers they play tonight?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think this is the first real– that's a great point, Stace. I think this is the first real big test for Trevor Gleeson. Undermanned, new player coming in, Corey Webster, who hasn't played for three seasons, ended somewhat controversially with some views he shared online. Three-time premiership player, though, championship player. They've just got to find a way. The season, they don't want it to get away from them before it really begins. They're two and three. So it's not panic stations yet, but it was a pretty bad weekend. They didn't look good in either loss that they had. So I've got my concerns with the Sixers at the moment, just lack of sort of depth.
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Speaker 6: Well, some of them, I mean, they signed Bull Quole knowing he wasn't going to be fit.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Humphreys came a bit out of nowhere. That's obviously been a big issue. So some of it they ought to prepare for.
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Speaker 13: And then Flynn Cameron.
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Speaker 6: And then Flynn Cameron really upsets the apple cart.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: So there's these three players that will probably be starting or close to.
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Speaker 16: Yep.
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Speaker 13: And they're not there, and that's 60% of your team. That's like taking 12 players out.
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Speaker 12: Of an AFL side.
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Speaker 6: I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit with the doomerism around the 36ers. They've been devastated. They've got a new coach who's playing a very different system to what Mike Wells was running last year. I still am optimistic about the 36ers this season.
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Speaker 12: Okay, good.
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Speaker 6: That's good.
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Speaker 13: I feel better now because I was starting to get all like, Jittery and concerned.
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Speaker 6: Well, if Isaac Humphreys doesn't return, that optimism starts to wane.
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Speaker 13: And I'm glad that they've at least been proactive and got this Corey Webster who arrived last night and, you know, he's playing tonight.
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Speaker 7: Oh, he only got here last night.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and he's straight in playing.
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Speaker 7: Wow.
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Speaker 13: So that's where things are at, eh?
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Speaker 6: All hands are there. They just don't fit bodies.
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Speaker 13: If you can shoot, you're playing.
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Speaker 6: Well, we can see Stacey. We know she can. I reckon I'm a bit short for this one. Took on Ashton Hearn.
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Speaker 12: I feel your pain.
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Speaker 6: Muggsy Bogues did all right. Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, spot on.
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Speaker 13: So that's a big game tonight. And Alex Dimenor, he lost his China Open final overnight to Novak Djokovic. So disappointing.
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Speaker 6: What about Medvedev?
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Speaker 12: I know.
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Speaker 13: He only sort of lent. He didn't smack.
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Speaker 10: But it's still stupid.
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Speaker 13: Like, don't hit the ball into the crowd.
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Speaker 6: You're right. But of course it was him.
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Speaker 10: Of course.
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Speaker 6: If anyone was going to build a ball into the crowd and hit a spectator, I would have guessed it was.
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Speaker 12: Probably going to be Medvedev.
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Speaker 13: And his opponent, Novak Djokovic. In fact, if there were two players that are going to do it.
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Speaker 12: That's true.
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Speaker 13: Because remember, Djokovic got suspended from the U.S. Open a few years ago for hitting the ball at the linesperson, I think it was.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Anyway.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's those two, isn't it?
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Speaker 12: Every time. They're playing.
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Speaker 13: Highly intelligent Medvedev, like genius IQ.
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Speaker 6: Is that right?
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Speaker 19: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Enormously intelligent.
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Speaker 6: Well, there you go. There's no link then between intelligence and temper, is there?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Good stuff. Good on you, Randy.
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Speaker 12: Thanks, guys.
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Speaker 6: A few people combining the Commissioner's most recent past role with his new role. I wonder if there's some fertile ground to be tilled there. We have him dissolving the board on Rob's suggestion and Peter suggesting the Crow's Shed return. Because everyone does their own sort of the grounds of Government House their own way. Francis Adamson opened it up and allowed people to have picnics and come and have visits inside.
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Speaker 12: Yep.
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Speaker 6: Maybe the Crow's Shed could make a return.
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Speaker 7: I think the, well, I keep saying police commissioner.
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Speaker 13: I guess he still technically is police commissioner.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he still is.
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Speaker 8: I think he should open it up after Crow's Games for an after party and everyone can just walk up the hill to Government House.
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Speaker 12: It's so close.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Have it on the lawn, be really nice.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: A few barbecues.
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Speaker 7: Middle of winter wouldn't be great, but oh well.
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Speaker 12: Ah, you're right.
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Speaker 7: Get some gas heaters.
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Speaker 6: I think he'd be up for that. That's another good idea to put to him. Ben Jordan tells us the coldest Adelaide October day on record was the 1st of October in 1968. It was 11.2 degrees, 11 millimetres of rain that day. The reason, unfortunately, if you're just waking up, Ben is telling us that, is because it's going to be 14 next Tuesday. There's a cool change coming. It's going to be really warm in between, but Tuesday next week, is going to give that record a nudge, which we don't like. And Anna says, regarding Christmas trees, my daughter has not taken down her tree in the last three years. Anna, I think your daughter wins by a technicality, the person who has their tree up the earliest. Ray in Semaphore Park, good morning.
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Speaker 16: Good morning, Will and Stacey. I've got a rumour for you.
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Speaker 18: You'd be interested in this.
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Speaker 14: The show at Westlakes, I believe, is closing its doors next Monday.
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Speaker 10: Is that right?
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Speaker 6: On Westlakes Boulevard?
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Speaker 15: Yes.
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Speaker 6: Has there been any advance notice, Ray, or is this just a whisper you've heard?
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Speaker 16: I just heard a little whisper, and I reckon if you go down there, you get a little chocolate tip, it'll be half price or cheaper.
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Speaker 12: Oh, right.
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Speaker 6: Okay, well, that's a good tip for.
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Speaker 7: Cheap petrol.
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Speaker 6: Cheap chocolates, at least.
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Speaker 16: Oh, chocolate.
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Speaker 7: Sorry, I missed it. My brain just heard cheap and petrol station and got very excited.
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Speaker 6: You had Stacey at cheap, Ray. That's interesting. I wonder why. I wonder whether that then will be taken over by someone else at that spot. I would have thought West Lakes Boulevard. They're coming out of the shopping centre. It's a pretty good spot for a servo. Thank you, Ray. Sounds like Ray knows what he's talking about on that front as well. All right, let's turn our attention to a story that developed recently in the last 24 hours. This announcement from one of Australia's most beloved comedians, Judith Lucey.
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Speaker 17: I went in last Friday for a lumpectomy and a doctor found more cancer. We have gone from a lumpectomy to a mastectomy, which I am having Friday week. I said, while you're there.
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Speaker 13: Let's get rid of the other one.
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Speaker 6: So Judith Lucey having a mastectomy to reduce entirely her risk of breast cancer. I want to ask Vicky Durst in this question, who's the Director of Policy at the Breast Cancer Network of Australia. Vicky, good morning. This is going to sound peculiar because Judith Lucy, who we love, has been found with a form of cancer, which is devastating. But is this a story about the system working? Is this an example of us getting really good at finding these things and doing so at a time when you can still make active decisions about your health and it's not too late?
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Speaker 19: Yeah, good morning. I think that what Judith Lucy has done, and first and foremost, acknowledging her for talking about what she's described as being a shock for her, it is a diagnosis. And for all women that are diagnosed with breast cancer, it is a shock. And we're right in the midst of Breast Cancer Awareness Month being October. But what she does describe is that she picked it up through screening. And I think That's such an important message that we heard through her description of what she experienced.
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Speaker 8: It's always, I think, a good reminder, as you mentioned, when we hear someone with a public profile speaking about their experience with a cancer diagnosis, but especially someone like Judith Lucy, and we probably should have expected, but who's done it with a bit of humour as well. And I think it's such a testament to the Aussie experience, the Aussie attitude that she does it with humour. Does that mean you guys see a bump in people booking in to get their their screenings done, Vicky?
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Speaker 16: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 19: And I think that you're right. I mean, Huma, the way that she's done it, I think that, you know, there's no doubt in that she's felt shocked. She talks about that. But I think credit to her for bringing Huma to it. I watched it yesterday. And yeah, I think what we do see is an uptick and an uplift in screening participation. And we just saw the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare data come out where we've seen Even in South Australia, we're not seeing the increase in participation in screening like we did pre-COVID. And so messaging like this is vital to ensure that we see those participation rates improve. Because like you said, detecting it early improves lives and it's certainly, and that's what she describes in her experience.
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Speaker 6: If people, Vicky, listen to this and want to book in and get a screening done, are they seen to in a reasonable time at the moment or is there a backlog?
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Speaker 19: Yeah, look, I mean, certainly what we're saying is that people get an appointment, they may need to wait, you know, a few weeks depending on where you are. But, you know, that shouldn't deter people. You know, we're all incredibly busy in our lifestyles, but it's so important to get that appointment. And it's super quick for a screen around the country in South Australia. I mean, South Australia has always been, you know, a standard of, you know, ensuring that people get in really quickly and get access to to all the appointments that they can get. So it's really important that people make those appointments. And I think what Judith has done is highlight the importance of this time of year and all year, but even more so through October is the importance of early detection and screening.
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Speaker 7: So what is the advice? How regularly should women get screened?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 19: And that's what we see too, is sometimes it drops off after that first year. So Every second year, we want women to screen between the age of 50 to 74. And we want to see also those younger women from their 40s, you're eligible to have screening. But definitely through that 50 to 74, where breast cancer is most prevalent, is ensuring that you have your screening every two years. And if you notice a symptom in between your screening to really go early to your GP and make sure that you address.
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Speaker 7: It as soon as possible. And I assume they're free?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 19: Breast screen is complimentary. It's free and we want people to screen when they can.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Vicky, thanks so much for your time.
00:27:10
Speaker 6: Vicky Durston, the Breast Cancer Network Australia Director of Policy. Our guest Jane's called in on this. Morning to you, Jane.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good morning.
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Speaker 20: I had a mastectomy in 2020 after being diagnosed in 2019 and it was supposedly inoperable but Thankfully, I got onto a oral chemo, which shrunk it enough to operate.
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Speaker 21: But I really wished I'd have... I did ask at the time if I could have a double mastectomy, but I was on the public system, so the answer was no. But there was a history of breast cancer in my family and other cancers. But I just wish now... Seven years down the track, I'm so happy I'm still on oral chemo, but I do wish I'd had a double mastectomy. It would have been much easier dealing with, not that there's a problem, but I never seem to look right. You know, even though the prosthesis are great and all that, I never feel right.
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Speaker 12: You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, and I just think good on her. If she can have the double, good luck to her.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Thanks for sharing, Jane.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, indeed. Thank you, Jane. We really appreciate that.
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Speaker 7: It's surprising that it was a no.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:28:23
Speaker 7: Anyway, I don't know the ins and outs of how that part of the health system works.
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Speaker 19: No.
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Speaker 6: Jane, all the best with your ongoing treatment as well. Let's go to Para Vista. Alan's called in.
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Speaker 12: Morning, Alan.
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Speaker 15: Good morning, Will, and also Stacey. By the way, I've got a couple of ideas for Grant Stephens. One is that he organises, as Governor, all the board meetings of the Crows to be held at Government House. That's number one. Number two is that at the end of his tenure, in five years' time, he'd be the ideal recruit for SAPOL, considering his past background. He could even apply for a job as a lollipop person at the schools.
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Speaker 12: Yes, he could.
00:29:04
Speaker 6: Well, they are.
00:29:05
Speaker 7: Asking retirees to come back to the force.
00:29:08
Speaker 6: He might get one of those letters.
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Speaker 15: Give the oldies a go in all forms of employment, I say.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Alan. We'd be better off for it. Thank you. We might need oldies to get back in the workforce with the various migration policies before us at the moment. We'll be chatting with the Shadow Home Affairs Minister after 8.30 about Uh, the Libs extraordinary planet this time yesterday, we're talking about rumors that it might be deeper than the one nation cuts in the first two years. They were confirmed even by a longer way than I think many were expecting. It comes back up a little bit after that point, but, um, it's a very dramatic entry into this discussion belatedly by the libs but they've come in with a very different proposal because it also includes an increase in skilled migration at the same time so we're going to get into that a little bit later in the morning Let's talk about the weather. Ursula Connor at the Bureau of Meteorology. Ursula, we've done that really bad talkback thing of focusing on the negative, which is that it's going to be cold next Tuesday. But in between now and then, it's going to be quite nice, isn't it?
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Speaker 22: Yeah, that's right. Plenty of sunshine around. It is a little bit chilly this morning. Look, it's around 11 degrees in the city, but it does feel a lot colder than that. It feels like hovering around sort of 6, 7 degrees with a bit of a breeze through the city this morning. But yes, plenty of sunshine on the way for the day today. Adelaide's headed for a top of 23. Glenelg, 22. Elizabeth, 23. Noarlunga, 22. Mount Barker, 21. And the temperatures keep warming up as we move into tomorrow. The city headed for a top of 28. Expected to see that sunshine continuing. That is ahead of a bit of a feature to move over on Friday. a cold front, which is going to bring, look, some pretty widespread showers, really, through the area, potentially even some afternoon and evening thunderstorms as we see that change come through as well. But then another high-pressure system to quickly push in again on the weekend, which will hopefully clear up most of those showers.
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Speaker 6: All right, good stuff, Ursula. Thank you, Ursula Connor at the Weather Bureau. Let's head to Saipol. Senior Constable Holly Frisby joins us. Holly, a woman's been arrested at Tonsley overnight.
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Speaker 23: Good morning, Will. That's correct. Just after 7 o'clock last night, we received a number of calls from motorists regarding a woman walking in the middle of the road on the Southern Expressway. Patrols responded, and when they attempted to restrain the woman, it will be alleged she produced a knife and attempted to stab the officer. Thankfully, in that incident, no one was injured, and a 38-year-old woman was arrested and charged with aggravated assault, an assault-prescribed emergency worker, and she will appear in court later today.
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Speaker 12: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 17: Okay.
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Speaker 7: And three youths have been arrested after a break-in at Little Hampton, Holly.
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Speaker 23: Just before 3 o'clock this morning, police were called to a school on Barker Street to report an alarm activation. Patrols responded with the assistance of PD Gerry and confirmed access had been gained to the gym and damage caused throughout the school. Patrols searched the area and located a group nearby. A 14-year-old boy, a 13-year-old boy and a 12-year-old boy were arrested and charged with serious criminal trespass and property damage. The bail has yet to be determined, and we do ask anyone in that area who was a witness or has CCTV or dash cam footage that can assist with this investigation to contact Crime Stoppers at 1800 333 000. All right.
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Speaker 12: Thank you, Holly.
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Speaker 6: Senior Constable Holly Frisby there from SafePole. Thank you for your text too, Colin, who says, 30 years ago, my mum had a mastectomy, was six months fully cleared of cancer, and then found a lump in the other, and then had to go through the whole process again. Did the full thing twice, but still going strong at 84.
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Speaker 12: Good news. Good stuff, Colin.
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Speaker 6: Thank you for texting that through. We're going to take a break. We'll check traffic. Anyone else get up early and take a picture of Saturn? We'll be chatting with Brad Tucker from ANU in just a moment because you might not get a better chance of seeing it than right now. Sue sent us a picture with an iPhone where you can see the rings. So I wonder if anyone else got up early and took some snaps. If so, send them through to us. In the meantime, we're checking traffic. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof designed, manufactured and installed locally by Louver House.
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Speaker 10: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 5: This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 6: Five to seven. Anyone see Saturn in the night sky?
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Speaker 12: Dr.
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Speaker 6: Brad Tucker, I'm sure, was up early overnight having a look. The astrophysicist and cosmologist from ANU who we love talking to about phenomena in the sky. Dr. Tucker, good morning to you.
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Speaker 11: How's it going?
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Speaker 6: We're going well. We have been sent some pictures of some of our listeners that saw Saturn. It looks like, certainly from our vantage point in Adelaide, clear sky and Sue, who sent us a picture, didn't exactly take it with some sort of expensive telescope. It was with her iPhone. It's good viewing.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, it is.
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Speaker 18: I mean, modern day cameras now on phones are quite spectacular in terms of like the nighttime photography that you could get as well as the clarity. And you have Saturn and it's quite bright and it's quite distinct. You can get some really great views of it. It is a great one to look at either with your eye or with the phone or if you do have a small pair of binoculars or telescope or something like that.
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Speaker 6: So when is the best viewing and what's the sort of, I mean, you can get an app these days that'll tell you which way to look, but generally speaking, in which direction should people be looking?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, look, for Saturn right now, I mean, technically we're just at the point of what we call opposition, where it's at its brightest and closest to Earth. However, things in space, The relative change over time, when you're talking about a difference of, you know, 1,000 kilometers when it's already, you know, 200 million kilometers, does it make a huge difference? So the great thing is, you know, if you get to see it for, I mean, Saturn will be visible for another six months. But for the next couple of weeks, it will look still quite bright.
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Speaker 24: So, you know, if you didn't see it.
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Speaker 18: Last night or it ends up being cloudy over a couple of days, you can definitely wait until the weekend or until next week and see it. Now, Saturn is rising just a little after sunset in the eastern sky. So about an hour after sunset, you'll see a really bright object well above the horizon in the eastern sky, and that is Saturn. And the trick to finding a planet is planets don't twinkle in the sky. So, you know, if you look at all the other stars, they twinkle. Planets don't. And it's actually a little bit due to a trick with their eyes, where out of all of the points of light, are being averaged out. So stars twinkle because of turbulence in the sky, but our eye for a planet, there's multiple points and we kind of blend it together and don't see that twinkling. So it's another great trick of figuring out if that pattern, if you don't have an app available.
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Speaker 13: Right.
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Speaker 8: And so how long did you say it'll be this close? How long do we have to see it?
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Speaker 18: We will have it in our sky for another six months, but if you're out in the next week or two, it will still look really bright, very visible to see. And, you know, a great treat.
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Speaker 11: And if you do.
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Speaker 18: Have binoculars or a small telescope, but you can definitely start to see the rings of Saturn. And that's the really cool thing. Like, Saturn looks exactly as described. You know, when you look through it with something like that, you know, it's not another blurry picture. You're like, you get to see the rings. It looks like someone almost put a picture, you know, on the front of the binoculars telescope when you're looking at it. So it's a really great way to see. Compared to some of the other planets, it's always a great treat.
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Speaker 6: And I'm excited by the fact you can still get out there and say, usually when we do these chats, I always find, well, we had to do it last night or, you know, you've got one more night, but six more months sounds exciting.
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Speaker 12: Dr.
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Speaker 6: Brad Tucker, always great to chat, mate. Thank you so much for your time. Astrophysicist and cosmologist at ANU.
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Speaker 10: The top seven before seven.
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Speaker 6: We've got a top seven before seven. Songs about space.
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Speaker 7: Ah, okay.
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Speaker 12: Songs.
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Speaker 6: Okay, number seven. So I was just counting up. There were seven of them. I was just double-checking.
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Speaker 7: I thought you would do top seven planets.
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Speaker 6: Oh, we could do that too.
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Speaker 12: No songs.
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Speaker 16: Okay.
00:37:24
Speaker 6: Let's do songs.
00:37:25
Speaker 7: Let's do songs. Yeah, that works.
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Speaker 16: Okay.
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Speaker 6: Predictable. I think our listeners would have thought Frank Sinatra to be a little bit higher, but let's find out what else is.
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Speaker 12: On the ledger.
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Speaker 6: Number six.
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Speaker 10: Train, The Drops of Jupiter, the head of Frank Sinatra. All right, number five.
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Speaker 4: Are you having fun?
00:38:05
Speaker 10: If you believe, they put a man on the moon.
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Speaker 9: Man on the moon.
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Speaker 13: If you believe, there's nothing up their sleeve.
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Speaker 10: Man on the moon.
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Speaker 6: We can't focus that song during the Andy Kaufman movie where Jim Carrey played the role. I think that became the theme of that film. The number four spot.
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Speaker 10: Police, Sting, of course.
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Speaker 6: Got answered a few times as the person who had the grand final tickets. Number three.
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Speaker 1: The first one I thought of was Bowie.
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Speaker 22: I was thinking maybe number one or this.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: So it's only number two.
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Speaker 6: I would have had the William Shatner spoken word version as number one of Rocketman. I don't think it's going to be, though. Number one.
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Speaker 12: Oh, there we go. Okay.
00:39:20
Speaker 7: Any comments, questions, criticisms?
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Speaker 4: Not from me.
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Speaker 23: No.
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Speaker 12: Too bad.
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Speaker 7: I think that's an okay list.
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Speaker 10: Not too bad.
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Speaker 6: Is this your work, Jess?
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Speaker 23: All right.
00:39:35
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Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast. 8 after 7, good morning to you.
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Speaker 6: If you're joining us for the first time on this Wednesday, the 7th of October, the sun is just peering above a building over the hills to our immediate east. which is the direction you would have seen Saturn overnight, as we just heard. You can still see it for the next six months, according to Brad Tucker from ANU. It'll be the big bright one that's not twinkling, was the way he sort of described it in very simple language. Now, the other thing that's happened, and this is totally notable, and perhaps the first, I'm not sure, but in the interest of fairness, I want to read some texts out, Stace.
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Speaker 11: Okay.
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Speaker 6: Andrew says, following our seven before seven, good choice, boys. Rita says, your top seven today was perfect. And it's Space Week, says Rita as well. Someone here says, good morning. Great list. Need some Saturn by Stevie Wonder. Thank you. This is the first time. Jennifer says, great selection of space songs. This is the first time A Better Seven Before Seven has received critical acclaim.
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Speaker 7: It's been uncontroversial. There have been a couple of other suggestions.
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Speaker 6: A few suggestions.
00:41:03
Speaker 7: You missed this one or maybe the order wasn't right.
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Speaker 12: We need to give.
00:41:07
Speaker 7: Largely uncontroversial.
00:41:09
Speaker 6: Paddy and Jess, they're chocolates.
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Speaker 7: Credit where credit is due, boys.
00:41:12
Speaker 6: Credit where credit is due. They nailed the seven before seven. We've got a treat for our listeners at seven o'clock this morning.
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Speaker 7: We've got to honour it now because it's probably the only time it will happen.
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Speaker 6: Well, we've got a lot of making up to do after girls, songs after women's names featuring Vienna. Now, real treat for our just seven o'clock listeners because we're going to do something we usually do after 7.30.
00:41:35
Speaker 5: It's time to go around the courts with Sean Fuster on 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 6: Our new governor coming up after 7.30, the Police Commissioner Grant Stephens. So, Sean Fuster very kindly has agreed to come in a little bit earlier. Sean, good morning to you.
00:41:50
Speaker 20: Good morning.
00:41:51
Speaker 6: Now, Sean, this is quite an intriguing story that you've written about with regard to this young person who fatally stabbed her father.
00:42:05
Speaker 10: Now.
00:42:05
Speaker 6: There's been a late change to this story, has there not, with regard to something that happened in court in just the last couple of days?
00:42:12
Speaker 11: That's right. This young woman, who is now 19 years old, has been held in custody for the past four years since the incident where her father died, which was Boxing Day of 2022. This happened out at Andrews Farm. Police were called to a house. where a man had collapsed and died in the driveway of that house. He'd suffered a single stab wound to the chest. There was a young woman with him who was very upset, very concerned about what was going on, indicating that there was another person inside the house who had committed the stabbing. And the person inside the house was the man, the victim's 19-year-old, sorry, at that point, 16-year-old daughter. Four years later, she's been held in custody this entire time. Finally, she comes to stand trial for murder in the Supreme Court, because even though she was a youth at the time, murder is a crime that is almost always, in fact, prosecuted in the adult courts. She pleads guilty, but not to murder. On the first day of her trial, she pleads guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter. In some cases, that would end the situation, but in this case in particular, the DPP prosecutor said no. We can't accept the plea to the lesser charge of manslaughter. We say that this is a murder. It rises to that level, and therefore the trial will continue.
00:43:34
Speaker 6: So just take us through the machinations of that, Sean. So is this a case where clearly they haven't come to an agreement away from the courtroom about her entering a plea? Are you making public a plea deal that her team put forward to prosecutors that Or was there some sort of formal mechanism in the courtroom where she pled guilty to manslaughter and they said, well, hang on, we still think there's a higher charge to answer to?
00:44:01
Speaker 11: It was the latter. The girl actually stood up in court and in a very soft voice gave her plea and said the words, not guilty to murder, but guilty to manslaughter. And she said it so softly that the judge actually said, I'm going to have to ask your counsel to confirm that that's what you said because I didn't actually hear you properly. And counsel confirmed that was the position. That's what their client is admitting. So she's admitting at law and at fact that she stabbed her father and that that stab wound killed him. She's not admitting, however, that what she did was murderous, malice of forethought, all the things we think of when we think about a murder. And prosecutors say, well, we can't accept that. We say it is a murder. And then they started going into the reasoning why. They said that this young woman has a long history, according to them, of violence, violence at her school, of having bitten people, of having threatened people before, of having taken knives to school, and that at one point where she took a knife to school and her father was called to the school to do something about it, she took the knife out of her bag and tried to stab him and the staff members that were with him at the time. So the argument on the prosecution side is that given this entire contextual history of this young woman's relationship with violence, with knives and with her father, you can't say that this was, quote unquote, just a manslaughter, just snapping, losing control, grabbing the nearest knife and taking action. This is something that the world was warned about, that everyone knew she was capable of doing, and she herself knew she was capable of doing. Therefore, it rises to murder.
00:45:42
Speaker 6: So abstracting away from this case, Sean, in your experience, what is the history of arguing someone was attacked with a knife, there was or was not an intent to murder?
00:45:56
Speaker 11: I have seen that argument prove successful in many a jury trial. Juries are notoriously reticent to convict a person of murder. If you offer a jury the option of manslaughter as a plea, juries will almost always come back with a manslaughter verdict that matches that plea because nobody really wants to sentence anybody for the capital crime, the biggest crime on our criminal calendar.
00:46:23
Speaker 12: That's interesting.
00:46:24
Speaker 11: But at the same time with judges, it's more nuanced and more subtle because a judge alone trial, which is what this is, will get into the actual legalities and the definitions of what is murder, what is manslaughter, where is the line between. Because manslaughter, as we've talked about on Just Lawful, spans the range. Everything from a practical joke gone wrong through to something that is just short of murder, including what they call provocation murder, where someone eggs you on so much that you snap and you take fatal action. And murder then picks up just after that and goes all the way through to some of the truly horrific things that we've seen committed over the years, such as serial killings. So finding out where This crime committed in this moment when this young woman was so young, where she had consumed alcohol, where she had consumed cannabis, where it occurred on Christmas night slash Boxing Day morning, in that moment of peak and emotion and violence is going to be what the court has to untangle and decide what side of that line does it fall on.
00:47:31
Speaker 8: Sean, have we had an explanation as to why it's taken almost four years for the trial to get to this point? And has she been behind bars that whole time?
00:47:41
Speaker 11: We have, Sophie, and that's where things get difficult because when someone is a youth appearing even in the Supreme Court, they remain entitled to the protections of the youth court in terms of their identity, in terms of things that may tend to identify them. So all that we're allowed to say publicly is, is that some of the witnesses involved in this case had their own commitments in terms of schooling and things like that, and the trial was arranged in such a way as to try to disrupt their lives as little as possible. Because it's one thing for one young woman to be waiting to stand trial, it's another for everyone in her circle to have their own upbringing, lives and educations disrupted by giving evidence at a major Supreme Court trial. She has been in custody the entire time, and the reason for that has been that bail applications, of course, are predicated on one's past history. And when you've got a past history like this girl allegedly does in terms of the violence, the biting, and the knives, that's not somebody that will tend to qualify for bail. Her counsel has argued that all that time in custody has institutionalized her and made her even worse than she was alleged to have been in the first place. So I expect that that will play a role at some point in sentencing because having pleaded guilty to manslaughter, she will be sentenced. There's no way now that she will not serve a prison term. It's whether it'll be a manslaughter term or a murder term and how long that term will be. So the four years she has spent in custody will have to be subtracted from whatever sentence she receives for whichever crime she's convicted of and that institutionalization or otherwise will also be a factor in that sentencing.
00:49:23
Speaker 6: Quite a remarkable case. Give Just Lawful a bit of a plug. Sean, where are you guys at the moment?
00:49:28
Speaker 11: Well, we've horrified people for the last couple of weeks, guys, with returns, with people coming back, with Raina Jane Cruz and Wendy Sue Dent returning like characters in some kind of cheap horror movie and upsetting and annoying their victims once again. The situation this week is we're doing one more return, but this one's a good one where we not only saw some incredible passion from a victim survivor of court, but also some incredible empathy from the court system itself, which led to a brilliant outcome for everyone.
00:49:58
Speaker 6: Oh, that'll be a nice change of pace then for some of those other shockers that you've just mentioned. Sean, thank you. Really appreciate you being flexible for us this morning.
00:50:07
Speaker 16: Thanks, Will.
00:50:07
Speaker 11: Thanks, Stacey.
00:50:08
Speaker 6: Sean Fuster, Chief Court Reporter at The Ties and host of the excellent Just Lawful podcast. We're going to check traffic and be back in a moment. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an open and closing roof, designed, manufactured and installed locally by Lubehouse.
00:50:21
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00:50:29
Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:50:34
Speaker 6: 23 minutes after 7, we're going to spin the wheel in just a moment and give away a Keralert smart watch. Tremendous product. We love the Steele family. We love their innovation and their inventiveness and these wonderful products they've been selling here in South Australia. making people's lives better. They continue to do so. We'll give one of those away in a moment. I just want to read this text out quickly. Hi there, Will and Stacey. Could you please put this out? I've just driven through the intersection of Grange Road, Crittenden Road at Flinders Park, and there's a large black poodle-type breed that has just crossed the road and missed getting run over. It's heading north towards the coffee shop, Kachina by Liquid.
00:51:08
Speaker 7: Oh, good coffee shop.
00:51:09
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, good spot.
00:51:10
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:51:11
Speaker 7: Well, if you've got a black poodle breed dog.
00:51:13
Speaker 11: Yeah.
00:51:13
Speaker 17: Yeah.
00:51:15
Speaker 6: And it's out on the loose. It's in that area. Something to be aware of. And if you're driving in the area, obviously, take extra care there as well. Scott is articulating something I reckon a lot of people would feel when it comes to the legal definition of the difference between manslaughter and murder that I think most normal people, and I'm with you, Scott, find hard to pass. He says, assault or rob someone with a knife? And then you choose to stab them. You choose it. When are we going to start treating that choice as murder? If you can't work out that stabbing someone might kill them, you have no place in society. Yeah, it's a weakness of a law that mens rea and actus reus in murder. You need to be of sound mind and you need to have had intent. I understand why that's in there, but it does lead to these weird cases where So you imagined a scenario where, oh, you just wanted to cut someone.
00:52:10
Speaker 7: You could stab someone and it wouldn't kill.
00:52:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. You'd never entertain that as a possibility. But that's how the law treats it.
00:52:17
Speaker 7: Particularly when it's not self-defense.
00:52:19
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
00:52:19
Speaker 7: And there's no suggestion that it is in this case.
00:52:21
Speaker 6: No, that's right. Scott, I think a lot of people, and I'm with you, would often find that hard to make sense of. All right, let's spin the wheel. All right, we've got the wheel.
00:52:29
Speaker 12: Let's go.
00:52:30
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00:52:43
Speaker 7: 11, number 11.
00:52:45
Speaker 6: So number 11 means someone who was born in 1942 and is 84 or turning 84 this year, 1942, the year the Manhattan Project began. A top secret program to develop the atomic bomb. Did you see Oppenheimer?
00:53:04
Speaker 15: Yes.
00:53:04
Speaker 6: Did you like Oppenheimer?
00:53:05
Speaker 7: I did like Oppenheimer.
00:53:06
Speaker 6: It was amazing. Do you think you'll ever watch it again?
00:53:08
Speaker 1: No.
00:53:08
Speaker 6: No, I'm with you.
00:53:09
Speaker 7: No. And it was long to watch in a cinema. I needed bathroom breaks.
00:53:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a long film.
00:53:14
Speaker 7: They needed to do scheduled bathroom breaks, I think.
00:53:16
Speaker 6: It's a spectacular and brilliantly made film by Christopher Nolan.
00:53:21
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:53:21
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's not a rewatchable.
00:53:23
Speaker 7: No, you don't do it again.
00:53:24
Speaker 8: I think it came out, oh, that was Barbenheimer, same time as Barbie. So I watched Barbie first and a couple of weeks later watched Oppenheimer.
00:53:31
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:53:32
Speaker 12: Yeah. All right.
00:53:34
Speaker 7: Great time for cinema.
00:53:35
Speaker 6: Now, I think we might have an 84-year-old on the line. So we might just delay for a moment because Valerie in Merino has called in. Valerie, good morning.
00:53:44
Speaker 14: Good morning to you too.
00:53:45
Speaker 4: She just got me out of bed.
00:53:47
Speaker 6: I'm sorry about that, Valerie, but you have won a Carolette smartwatch. So that is fantastic news. Sorry to wake you up. Is it a cold morning? You typically stay in bed a little bit longer?
00:53:57
Speaker 22: I do.
00:53:58
Speaker 19: Just a bit off.
00:54:00
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about getting up. I'm out now anyway.
00:54:02
Speaker 6: Oh, good.
00:54:03
Speaker 7: We've got you up, Valerie, and now you've got a smartwatch coming your way.
00:54:06
Speaker 16: Wonderful.
00:54:07
Speaker 19: Yes, wonderful.
00:54:08
Speaker 12: All right.
00:54:09
Speaker 6: Well, Valerie, congratulations to you. You can hop back into bed. We won't keep you any longer. You've done well. You sprung out. You called the number. And you've won the Carolette Smart Watch. Congratulations to you. We're taking a break. 5AA News is on the way. And on the other side of it, a familiar voice in an unfamiliar role. The police commissioner, who is now about to become the new governor of South Australia, will.
00:54:29
Speaker 12: Be our guest.
00:54:36
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00:54:44
Speaker 10: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
00:54:46
Speaker 5: This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:54:51
Speaker 6: 23 minutes to 8, jump on the Facebook and YouTube live stream and see a very familiar face, a regular guest, but with a brand new role.
00:55:02
Speaker 9: MUSIC PLAYS.
00:55:07
Speaker 6: The incoming Governor of South Australia, our Police Commissioner, Grant Stevens.
00:55:14
Speaker 12: Commissioner, good morning to you.
00:55:16
Speaker 9: Well, good morning, and if that's a better background theme song than I'm Too Sexy.
00:55:22
Speaker 6: Was that what you were requesting?
00:55:24
Speaker 12: No, no, that's my ringtone.
00:55:25
Speaker 6: Oh, that's your ringtone.
00:55:26
Speaker 12: It is too.
00:55:27
Speaker 7: It went off during COVID press conference.
00:55:29
Speaker 12: I remember that. Yeah, yeah. So that's followed me.
00:55:33
Speaker 8: I think it would be safe to say it's the first time a governor has ever had that as their ringtone.
00:55:38
Speaker 12: Well, or police commissioner.
00:55:41
Speaker 6: I never heard Francis's phone ring. Well, that's true. We can't rule it out.
00:55:45
Speaker 12: Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you.
00:55:47
Speaker 6: Quite a remarkable honour. And I don't think we, I mean, every single text we've received is from well-wishers and people saying well-deserved. There's no controversy around it. A few people wondering about the timeline of it.
00:55:58
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:56:00
Speaker 6: Did you say no to this originally?
00:56:02
Speaker 12: No, I have never said no.
00:56:04
Speaker 9: And I know it's been reported that I ruled myself out, but I was very careful about the words I used. I made a reference to the fact that I've got about two years left on my police career. commissioned a contract and my focus is on the role I have now. So that was back when it was just a rumour, by the way.
00:56:24
Speaker 8: Because we spoke in April when I asked you about it and you said you hadn't been approached.
00:56:29
Speaker 12: When you interrogated me.
00:56:31
Speaker 9: So it was a genuinely pleasant surprise when the Premier asked me if I would consider taking on the role. And that was only about three weeks, four weeks ago.
00:56:44
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:56:45
Speaker 6: Was it an easy decision?
00:56:46
Speaker 12: Yes, because of the rumours.
00:56:50
Speaker 9: And the rumours have been circulating for a really long time. Emma and I have had conversations about, what are you going to do if they actually ask you to be the governor? So it's not like, because of the rumours, it didn't sort of blindside us. And you might have heard yesterday, Emma said, this is not something you say no to. The honour and the privilege of serving as the governor of South Australia is is not a request, in my view, that you say no to. The opportunity to continue serving the community of South Australia in a different and, I think, more dynamic way is, I'm genuinely honoured by the offer. And, yeah, it's just, unless there is a reason you can't do it, a genuine, legitimate reason that prevents you from being able to fulfil the duties, then, there is only one answer.
00:57:48
Speaker 8: And I know you said yesterday at the press conference that the answer is just yes and you work everything out after that. But I imagine for you having been in SAPOL for, can I say how many years?
00:58:02
Speaker 9: Almost 45. The 45th anniversary of my joining is the 7th of January, 2027. So I'm going to fall just a bit short of my 45th anniversary.
00:58:15
Speaker 8: So nearly 45 years by the time you finish up. That's not an easy decision to make for anyone to leave any industry or any job after that long.
00:58:24
Speaker 7: Will you miss it?
00:58:24
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely.
00:58:26
Speaker 9: And sad's probably not the right word, but I am reflecting on the fact that something that's been such a big part of my life is coming to a close. And I'm mindful of that anyway. Like, July 2028 was my last contract and I was pretty set in my view that I was not going to be asking for an extension. So my thoughts about, you know, I'd be signing off on major infrastructure projects or whatever, knowing that I won't be around to see these things completed. It's just accelerated that. So I haven't really had time to process that whole departure thing. It's become really quite real and upfront now. So just working through that. But what a great way to depart policing and a great next step. So I don't think I'll have a lot of time to dwell on it once I get sworn in as governor.
00:59:17
Speaker 6: What's the closest you've been to royalty in the past?
00:59:20
Speaker 9: Well, I was fortunate enough to meet, excuse me, the Queen when the band of the South Australia Police were invited to play at her 90th birthday celebrations. I managed to sort of sneak in on their coattails. So, yeah, that was a bit of a.
00:59:35
Speaker 6: I see your old hat at this. You know the protocols.
00:59:38
Speaker 9: I think I might have to get out the rule book or the protocol book and find out, just remind myself on the right way to go about that.
00:59:44
Speaker 6: It's not all beer and skittles. There's obviously some hard news element to this as well. Walker, Butts, Murray, Peddler, Burns, Stephens. Is there a max exodus from West Lakes?
00:59:59
Speaker 9: Well, mine is an unanticipated one and not one that I've been contemplating. And I am disappointed that I can't continue to be a part of the Adelaide Football Club.
01:00:12
Speaker 12: And I did hear some of the comments.
01:00:16
Speaker 9: Earlier about getting the governor to.
01:00:20
Speaker 12: Get rid of the board. The board of the Adelaide Football Club are.
01:00:24
Speaker 9: A great bunch of people and I I would strongly resist any overtures that wanted me as the governor to get rid of him.
01:00:31
Speaker 12: They have my full support.
01:00:31
Speaker 6: This is not going to be your John Kerr moment then.
01:00:33
Speaker 12: That is not it.
01:00:35
Speaker 7: I did enjoy that moment of you maybe campaigning for that will.
01:00:38
Speaker 6: I was wondering what was in the remit.
01:00:40
Speaker 7: Graeme Goodings is in the next studio.
01:00:42
Speaker 6: It's nice, just another level of oversight.
01:00:44
Speaker 12: I think.
01:00:46
Speaker 9: I don't think that falls within my constitutional duties.
01:00:49
Speaker 6: What about, did you hear some of the other suggestions from Crows fans who are excited about the possibility all of a sudden that imagine there might be barbecues on the lawns of Government House post-game?
01:00:57
Speaker 12: Well, you know, everything's up for consideration.
01:01:01
Speaker 9: Frances Adamson has done an amazing job of making Government House a house for the people of South Australia.
01:01:06
Speaker 12: Maybe that's the next step. But having to be bipartisan, it won't just be the Adelaide Crows.
01:01:12
Speaker 7: I was about to say, do we get Port Adelaide after parties too?
01:01:15
Speaker 9: I know there are people out there who are diametrically opposed to the other team. I'm not one of those people. And I'm not just saying this because of the new role. I've respected what Port Adelaide does, and we've got good friends who are part of the Port Adelaide structure. So if there's barbecues for Crows fans, there'll be barbecues for Port Adelaide fans.
01:01:38
Speaker 6: Well, you know what? It's nice to balance it out because Port Adelaide have had a stranglehold on the legislative arm of government for such a long period of time. At least we've got the Queen's representative here in this state overseeing things.
01:01:48
Speaker 9: I think it shows just how magnanimous the Premier is that he's prepared to offer the role of Governor to a Crows supporter.
01:01:54
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:01:55
Speaker 6: So when will we start calling you, Your Excellency?
01:01:58
Speaker 12: I'm sworn in on the 9th of December.
01:02:00
Speaker 9: So that's when things will escalate. And I think I'm going to be quite busy between now and then just understanding the entire role and starting to plan how we're going to perform that role. I think we're going to try and squeeze a week or two of a break in before we go from this job into the next one because it is going to be busy, but we're excited about that too. um yeah it's it's interesting.
01:02:27
Speaker 8: And have you and emma had a chance to to work out what it means for for family dinners because i know family dinners are extremely important in the stephens.
01:02:34
Speaker 9: Household absolutely are kids and grandkids and um we are prepared to commit ourselves to this new role but there has to be some balance um our family and our friends are really important to us um and we know that there are going to be changes but um There are some things that we will have to work really hard to maintain.
01:02:55
Speaker 24: Yeah.
01:02:56
Speaker 7: New fencing for the sausage dogs?
01:02:57
Speaker 9: Well, we haven't told the sausage dogs yet. And I haven't had a chance to have a look at the fence to see whether they can fit through. We might have to install a one-foot fence around the perimeter that stops them from jumping out.
01:03:10
Speaker 6: Well, the Queen was famous for her love of her corgis. I think there's a proud tradition of dog ownership in these sort of royal colonies.
01:03:16
Speaker 12: Positions.
01:03:17
Speaker 9: Anyone who has a mini dash hound, though, will know just how inhospitable they are. Right.
01:03:23
Speaker 12: So we've got to work through that. Yeah.
01:03:26
Speaker 7: At least you've got guard dogs.
01:03:27
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right.
01:03:27
Speaker 7: You could actually probably say, security, take the night off. We're fine. We've got the sausages.
01:03:32
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
01:03:33
Speaker 6: Phil on the text line says, are you looking forward to not having to put the garbage out or mow the lawn for the next five years?
01:03:38
Speaker 9: Excuse me. Well, that's one of the questions I had is, what night is bin night?
01:03:44
Speaker 15: So.
01:03:46
Speaker 12: Francis didn't tell me that. Yeah, and there's a lot of lawn there.
01:03:51
Speaker 9: One of my escapes has been just at home, get out, mow the lawns, cut back the hedges.
01:03:57
Speaker 6: I'm sure you still can.
01:03:58
Speaker 12: You're the governor.
01:03:59
Speaker 6: You can do whatever the hell you want.
01:04:00
Speaker 12: I think I need a ride on though.
01:04:02
Speaker 10: It's a lot of lawns.
01:04:03
Speaker 7: You might need to go back to the old house just to mow the lawn.
01:04:05
Speaker 12: Just for my sanity.
01:04:06
Speaker 6: Well, you'll be a loss to the police force commissioner and you'll be a loss for us getting to talk to you about it because you've had a way of talking about these issues and navigating them and being very approachable and fielded any manner of questions that we've been throwing at you over the years. And we've appreciated that access and that relationship and we'll miss it, but we obviously don't begrudge you what is a very worthy charge.
01:04:27
Speaker 12: Well, thanks Will.
01:04:28
Speaker 9: And Stacey, it's... It's always been a pleasure to come in and talk to you guys and David when he's not off overseas living the good life. It's been a respectful relationship where I've felt that I could talk freely about the things that are of interest to South Australians and I think I've got a new platform now where I can start to have a voice that will be a positive influence for a whole range of different things rather than just community safety.
01:04:59
Speaker 6: One of the things you're not aware of, too, in your new role is that you are the official. You will open the undie drive every year.
01:05:06
Speaker 12: Excellent.
01:05:06
Speaker 10: That's a non-negotiable.
01:05:07
Speaker 7: That wasn't a question from Will.
01:05:08
Speaker 6: That's a statement.
01:05:10
Speaker 9: Does that carry some level of protocol that avoids me having to play the tambourine again?
01:05:17
Speaker 12: Yes, it does.
01:05:17
Speaker 6: You've officially graduated beyond tambourine to opening the undie drive.
01:05:21
Speaker 12: I'm very happy with that.
01:05:24
Speaker 6: Commissioner.
01:05:24
Speaker 7: Thank you.
01:05:25
Speaker 6: Governor, come in. December 9, congratulations again. Thanks for coming in.
01:05:29
Speaker 8: Thanks, Will.
01:05:29
Speaker 12: Thanks, Stacey.
01:05:29
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01:06:47
Speaker 7: Don't worry, it happens to everyone. We're getting a lot of text messages in. Very pleased with the governor announcement.
01:06:56
Speaker 8: Meredith, what a perfect choice, Commissioner. You'll be brilliant at your new role. Jennifer Grant-Stevens, congratulations in your new position. Helen points out behind every successful man is a good woman. So happy for you both.
01:07:14
Speaker 12: Stop it.
01:07:15
Speaker 6: So I didn't say anything, Stacey.
01:07:17
Speaker 12: It was you.
01:07:18
Speaker 6: This is what happens when Koshi's not available. Things go off the rails. Got a right of knots. Yeah, a lot of lovely well wishes for the Police Commissioner Grant Stephens, though. We will ask Koshi in a moment about his thoughts on the migration debate because we are going to be joined by the Shadow Home Affairs Minister after 8.30 today. We've got hard numbers. This is now a scientific debate. This is not just about vagaries or who's got the best turn of phrase. I saw the Libs yesterday were road testing. Oh, what is it? It was something about... Higher standards. Oh, okay. And I thought, okay, that's interesting. That's what the debate has been to this point in time. Now we've got numbers, so we'll get into that after 8.30. If you've got an observation for us, positive or not, love to hear from you. I wonder too, among our One Nation voting listeners, be you a long-termer or a recent convert, are you moved at all by the new coalition position. So we'd see deeper cuts for two years, then a higher overall number, albeit it composed of more skilled visa holders, and then pegged to housing availability. Does it move you or are you lost to the Liberal Party? Because I think that's the main game here.
01:08:32
Speaker 7: Is it?
01:08:33
Speaker 8: Because I think a lot of people in the beginning moved to One Nation on a migration platform. That is the main platform that that party has championed for 30 years. since Pauline Hanson entered federal parliament. So if now the libs are being, in some people's eyes, somewhat stronger on migration, does that change their mind? Is it purely just a migration? Is it about reducing the numbers or getting the right... people in, in Angus Taylor's words? Is it just about that? If so, would you be moved back to the Liberal Party?
01:09:07
Speaker 7: Or are you sticking with the nation now?
01:09:09
Speaker 6: Let's just do a little quick straw poll based on what you've read. There are a lot of numbers just to read out to do it on air. We will get into that a bit more technically after 8.30, but based on what you understand the nature of things to be this morning, has it moved you? 0 to 4808 1395 or call us on 8223 0000. We were singing bye.
01:09:29
Speaker 3: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:09:37
Speaker 10: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:09:42
Speaker 6: Eight minutes after eight, breaking eight, coming up in just a moment, John O'Donoghue, the Shadow Home Affairs Minister, will join us after 8.30. The long-anticipated coalition migration policy was revealed in detail yesterday. We asked you before the break, has it shifted your vote? Has it moved you? Has it made you? Maybe if not, you're all the way there. Are you back seeing the coalition as a credible party that may deserve your vote at a future federal election? The returns are mixed on the text line. What we're going to do is read them out before we get into that interview to set that up after 8.30. So if you've got some thoughts on that, we'll continue to take them. Don't be deterred if we don't read it straight away because we will get into it after 8.30 this morning. We have Cheesefest tickets to give away and we are trying to work out what Adelaide is the world's best at. Melbourne has just won the world's friendliest city overnight. World's friendliest city.
01:10:36
Speaker 7: How are these things voted on?
01:10:39
Speaker 12: You know, I.
01:10:40
Speaker 6: Do you know how ridiculous it is? I'll tell you what their score was. Their score was 98.52. I don't know how that got arrived at, to answer your question. Adelaide is the wattiest city in the world. The wattiest city in the world for the Cheesefest tickets. Tony in Two Wells, good morning.
01:11:00
Speaker 15: Hey, how you going, guys?
01:11:01
Speaker 12: Good, Tony.
01:11:01
Speaker 8: Good.
01:11:02
Speaker 14: Well, there was a real no-brainer for me after seeing a lot of other cities around the place.
01:11:07
Speaker 24: I reckon Colonel Light bless us with the most liveable city.
01:11:10
Speaker 16: In the world.
01:11:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, the most liveable city in the world. Thank you, Tony. It is, being in Brisbane last week, seeing a roadmap compared to Adelaide, you take for granted you live in a city that actually makes sense.
01:11:21
Speaker 13: Yep.
01:11:21
Speaker 6: Graeme and Eyre, good morning. What Adelaide is the wattiest city.
01:11:24
Speaker 12: In the world?
01:11:24
Speaker 16: I would say the musical city in the world, I think, for its music. I'm actually a drummer from Melbourne and I've never drummed so much since I've been here.
01:11:35
Speaker 6: Is that right, Graeme?
01:11:35
Speaker 23: Really?
01:11:37
Speaker 6: I like that one.
01:11:37
Speaker 12: That's good.
01:11:38
Speaker 6: Let's go to Allenby Gardens. Sandra, Adelaide is the wattiest city in the world.
01:11:43
Speaker 19: The most organised city to finish a bottle of wine.
01:11:49
Speaker 13: Oh, I get it.
01:11:50
Speaker 19: And it doesn't matter where you do it.
01:11:52
Speaker 12: Yes, indeed.
01:11:55
Speaker 6: Thank you, Sandra.
01:11:56
Speaker 12: 8223 0000.
01:11:56
Speaker 6: I should read some text. The texts are less kind.
01:11:59
Speaker 7: You can take your.
01:12:00
Speaker 8: Bottle of wine home from a restaurant here. I don't think you can do that in other states.
01:12:04
Speaker 12: Is that right?
01:12:05
Speaker 7: I think that's quite an Adelaide-specific thing.
01:12:07
Speaker 6: Yes, you can walk out with it.
01:12:09
Speaker 8: Vincent on the text line, the road-workiest city in the world.
01:12:13
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:12:14
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:12:14
Speaker 6: It certainly feels that way.
01:12:16
Speaker 16: Yep.
01:12:16
Speaker 7: Claude, the whingiest city in the world.
01:12:19
Speaker 12: Are we? Probably.
01:12:20
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.
01:12:23
Speaker 8: Anthony, Adelaide is easily the best event city in the world. He then signs it off with, I just hope you don't have to go to the hospital while you're here.
01:12:31
Speaker 6: The rampiest?
01:12:32
Speaker 7: The rampiest city in the world.
01:12:36
Speaker 8: Scott, Adelaide is the most naughtiest, Melburniest city in the world.
01:12:40
Speaker 6: Well, that's not bad.
01:12:41
Speaker 20: Yeah.
01:12:42
Speaker 6: I like Cybert. It says Adelaide's the most predictable city in the world. The news in 2027 will include parklands anger, no rain in March, a car on the Oban and no panda babies. Well, that's our job done.
01:12:55
Speaker 7: Hey, speaking of panda babies.
01:12:57
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:12:58
Speaker 7: It's about that time of year.
01:12:59
Speaker 10: Is it?
01:12:59
Speaker 6: Where nothing happens.
01:13:00
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:13:01
Speaker 8: Yeah, where the season changes and the three-hour breeding window stops.
01:13:06
Speaker 6: Set your calendar for the thing that never happens. Stop breaking your nose.
01:13:12
Speaker 7: I actually forgot about breaking at eight after all that.
01:13:15
Speaker 8: But speaking of things that people complain about, the MotoGP, we spoke a couple of weeks ago to a councillor from the Norwood, Payneham and St Peter's Council who had some questions about how the MotoGP would impact that area. There is another council which is asking questions of the state government now about how it might impact.
01:13:36
Speaker 7: That area and their residents, Burnside Council.
01:13:40
Speaker 23: Oh.
01:13:42
Speaker 8: Which I think only just borders on where the track will be, if at all. But their main concern is about noise pollution. They've asked some questions of the government about the details of the track and the details of the race, and in particular about noise pollution.
01:14:00
Speaker 7: So they're waiting on a response from the government about it.
01:14:03
Speaker 6: The noise pollution, I mean, I've not been to a MotoGP race before, but is it dissimilar from a V8 race that they've already had to deal with? I don't know. Do you know what this reveals a little bit? And I know we were clipped up the other day for saying nice things about the city council, which happens very rarely. But I'm going to go over one step further. North Adelaide residents get a bad rap. Checking the noise pollution factor of the MotoGP, I wonder, do they just have more opportunity to whinge than everyone else? Would other councils whinge actually less? If you're doing noise pollution tests on the verge of the MotoGP track, I wonder if any council's actually immune to the kind of things that North Adelaide always gets labelled with or if they are just the ones that have the most events and things to whinge about.
01:14:53
Speaker 7: That's a good point. It's a good point.
01:14:57
Speaker 6: Tell us Burnside people, if you live in that area, how bad is the noise when the V8' s happening? I imagine it's apparent, it's obvious and it's a thing, but it's not like this is the first time it's happened.
01:15:09
Speaker 10: No.
01:15:10
Speaker 7: And you're right. Are the bikes that much louder than the cars?
01:15:13
Speaker 6: Any MotoGP enthusiast can tell us. I presume they sound different.
01:15:17
Speaker 12: Are they louder?
01:15:18
Speaker 6: Or maybe to give some cover to the Bernsegals. Maybe that's what they're wondering.
01:15:22
Speaker 8: I think they are asking questions and probably valid questions.
01:15:26
Speaker 12: Yes.
01:15:27
Speaker 7: And the government has yet to respond to the questions.
01:15:29
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:15:30
Speaker 7: I don't think they're the only ones with questions. Lots of people still waiting to see if it'll get the.
01:15:37
Speaker 8: Federal approval that is required and when the works are going to start, how long the roads will be closed down for, how long the Oban will need to shut down for. There's still a lot of questions that are unanswered about all of this. So Burnside councillors, join the list of people waiting for some questions.
01:15:51
Speaker 6: We're going to take some more calls on Adelaide as the wattiest city very shortly because the text line is exploding. There are some fantastic techs coming through at the moment. So what we might do is take a quick break. We have the Cheesefest tickets to give away. Cheesefest, of course, is not this weekend but the following weekend. Four tickets as well. So you take your significant other and another couple. You have a terrific day. Group of friends. It'll be a hell of a lot of fun. We'll get into more of that in just a moment. But first, let's check traffic. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof, designed, manufactured, and installed locally by Lubehouse.
01:16:29
Speaker 3: Knock down.
01:16:30
Speaker 17: Build two.
01:16:30
Speaker 3: With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment.
01:16:35
Speaker 10: Metro Homes. They do it all for you. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:16:43
Speaker 6: Melbourne won the gong as the world's friendliest city overnight. We're wondering what Adelaide is the wattiest city. The most motorsportiest, says Paddy. Well, that works in the context of our Braking at eight. We just had a conversation wondering about how loud are MotoGP bikes compared to other forms of motorsport. And we've received a stack of different answers. Andrew says the bikes will be as loud as the V8s. Joe says MotoGP bikes are very loud. Formula One loud. Went to the bike GP at Supang and definitely needed earplugs. Thank you, Joe. Colin says they're a little louder than the V8s, similar to F1. But then the race only goes for 40 minutes, not two hours.
01:17:23
Speaker 22: Oh, really?
01:17:24
Speaker 7: Only 40 minutes of racing?
01:17:25
Speaker 6: Only 40 minutes of the top level. So there'd be other minor classifications and novelty races and stuff over the weekend, I imagine. But that's interesting.
01:17:35
Speaker 12: That is.
01:17:35
Speaker 6: I guess this is the kind of clarity that... See, Burnside Council just needed to ask our listeners. They don't need to commission some sort of study.
01:17:42
Speaker 7: It's one of those. Or somewhere in between all those.
01:17:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's some version of all that.
01:17:46
Speaker 7: Not as loud, much louder, or slightly louder. It'll be one of them.
01:17:49
Speaker 6: It's... It's not entirely clear yet. We'll work it out. Let's go to Modbury Heights. Joe, Adelaide is the wattiest city.
01:17:56
Speaker 16: Good morning, guys. How are you going?
01:17:58
Speaker 1: Good, Joe.
01:17:59
Speaker 16: I reckon it's the pottiest city in the world.
01:18:02
Speaker 4: I don't mean smoking pot, but then again, it could be.
01:18:05
Speaker 16: I mean the most potholes on the road.
01:18:08
Speaker 6: Oh, potholes. Well, funnily enough, that's been the big political issue in Victoria.
01:18:13
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:18:14
Speaker 6: The potholes over there. So they would lay claim to that one as well. Thank you, Joe.
01:18:18
Speaker 12: Michelle, good morning.
01:18:20
Speaker 23: Oh, good morning.
01:18:21
Speaker 11: How are you both?
01:18:21
Speaker 12: We're good, Michelle.
01:18:23
Speaker 16: That's good.
01:18:24
Speaker 2: I think Adelaide's the most ginsational city.
01:18:27
Speaker 4: We've got some great gin distilleries around.
01:18:29
Speaker 20: South Australia here.
01:18:30
Speaker 6: What's your favourite, Michelle?
01:18:33
Speaker 4: I must say Prohibition in Gilbert Street.
01:18:36
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a good one. Thank you, Michelle.
01:18:38
Speaker 6: It's a good call. Keep them coming in. We're going to award some Cheesefest tickets very, very shortly.
01:18:42
Speaker 8: Oh, now I'm just thinking about there's an Earl Grey gym.
01:18:46
Speaker 6: I've heard about this.
01:18:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:18:48
Speaker 6: It may have been from you, actually, now that I think about it.
01:18:50
Speaker 7: It's about tea time right now.
01:18:53
Speaker 12: Is it?
01:18:53
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:18:54
Speaker 6: Well, look, why not? It's five o'clock somewhere. There are five prostate cancer specialist nurses that work across Adelaide. Prostate cancer, of course, we've spoken about on the program.
01:19:06
Speaker 17: Mm-hmm.
01:19:06
Speaker 6: Common cancer among men, one in three cancers that are diagnosed in men in South Australia. Those nurses, their work is under threat because the federal government will end Commonwealth funding for 96 of these positions across the country, so five of them here, from the 30th of June next year. The PCFA are warning that the loss of the specialist expertise and continuity could fundamentally change how men navigate prostate cancer. One of those men is Mac McPherson, who joins us on the line now. Matt, good morning.
01:19:38
Speaker 15: Yeah, good morning, Will.
01:19:40
Speaker 14: Stacey, hi.
01:19:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, Matt, good to chat with you, mate. Just for our listeners that aren't aware of the role that these nurses play and how important they are for you, give us a sense of what sort of service they provide.
01:19:51
Speaker 14: Yeah, sure. So my prostate cancer specialist nurse, Kirstie, works at the RAL. She's a part of a small team, including our oncologist. And really, she is... A constant. She provides reliable information. She's knowledgeable. She delivers it with some warmth and humanity and a lot of compassion if she's needed at times. She's great at translating some of the really quite new, difficult language around prostate cancer and symptoms and things to expect. She has a great sense of where things are going because she has so much experience. She actually is providing care to 350 patients PC sufferers at the moment.
01:20:38
Speaker 16: Wow.
01:20:39
Speaker 6: So what does your world look like? I imagine you've thought about it. In the absence of someone who's in that role, if those roles disappear, what is it like being a prostate cancer sufferer in South Australia or indeed around the country?
01:20:52
Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I think for all of us here in SA and everywhere else, the idea of not having someone who's intimate with your case. The thing about prostate cancer, I mean, we we think about prostate cancer as a thing. Actually, it's incredibly nuanced. It's different for every single person who comes face-to-face with it. Whether you're stage one or through stage four metastatic cancer that's aggressive due to a BRCA gene flaw like me, or first instance of having contained stage one, the thing about the nurses is They know everything, all stages. They know what to expect. They know what's coming. They're very attentive and focused on the individuals in their care at any one time. And they're just able to lay out a bit of a map, which is incredibly helpful, to offer some constancy and communication. I can text Kirsty or phone her, and she checks in on me all the time. It's a very intimate, really, very powerful service.
01:21:57
Speaker 15: Mm-hmm.
01:21:58
Speaker 7: What did you think when you found out the federal government was pulling the funding?
01:22:04
Speaker 12: Yeah, appalled.
01:22:06
Speaker 14: Not surprised, sadly. I know that this government is claiming to be needing to find savings and is making a big deal of that. The thing is, this isn't a place to make a saving. This decision, which I think is the wrong decision, is actually about denying people who have got a big enough fight on their hands without being undermined by people who take their resources away. Prostate cancer special nurses are the resource. Those 131 nurses nationally look after 22,000 people a year.
01:22:40
Speaker 6: 22,000 men.
01:22:41
Speaker 14: So the idea of the prostate cancer nurse being undermined, the PSFA having their numbers diluted, that's really about taking things away rather than building things up. The government itself said this is a high-quality service of the PCFA, an amazing contribution, and then they take the money away and claim that general cancer nurses through McGrath will be a better outcome for patients. I don't agree.
01:23:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not the experience you've just developed to us, Mac, and we're talking about, what, 96 positions?
01:23:20
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:23:21
Speaker 6: It's not exactly the blowout of the NDIS.
01:23:23
Speaker 16: Nationwide.
01:23:24
Speaker 6: Nationwide.
01:23:25
Speaker 7: Five in Adelaide.
01:23:25
Speaker 6: Five in Adelaide. One taking care of 300 patients.
01:23:29
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:23:31
Speaker 6: Doesn't scream inefficiency. Mac, thank you. We appreciate that. That's the most important insight you're going to hear about that story from someone who's living in it right now. Mac McPherson, who has a stage four prostate cancer and is relying on this service to do much more than just navigate where you get your treatment and book in bits and pieces.
01:23:51
Speaker 23: Yeah.
01:23:51
Speaker 6: Talk about, based on their experience, what they've seen, this is what's going to happen, this is where it can go, and so forth. Invaluable kind of institutional knowledge that gets lost if you just get shuttled out to some generic. And I don't mean to be disparaging towards other nurses. They have a terrific job, but the specialist is a specialist.
01:24:11
Speaker 7: And there's a reason why.
01:24:13
Speaker 8: You know, hearing from Mac and others who have suffered with prostate cancer, there is a reason that these people's jobs exist.
01:24:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right. I think we might take one more. Adelaide is the walkiest city nomination, and that person's going to be Linda in Heathfield. Linda, Adelaide is the walkiest city.
01:24:31
Speaker 2: Is it walkiest city?
01:24:32
Speaker 15: Yes.
01:24:34
Speaker 4: It's really good for hikes and trails.
01:24:35
Speaker 1: The walkiest?
01:24:36
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:24:37
Speaker 6: The what? The walkiest. I don't mind that.
01:24:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, the walkiest, absolutely, and the bestest group that you could meet. I'm saying that I did have a fall last week and broke my arm.
01:24:48
Speaker 6: Oh, no.
01:24:49
Speaker 4: So, yes, I did. But, yeah, we have got some great, great trails with the Bullock Trail, Kaipo, you name it.
01:24:57
Speaker 6: What's your favourite one, Linda?
01:24:59
Speaker 4: Oh, I'd have to say the Bullock Trail that goes to overlooking the city and down to Beaumont House. for the, yeah, that one. But I'm not allowed to say I had a fall because the kids were ready to put me in a nursing home. Otherwise, I fell over.
01:25:16
Speaker 6: You fell over. It's a critical moment when you stop falling over and start having a fall.
01:25:20
Speaker 7: Having a fall, yeah.
01:25:21
Speaker 8: I've had that conversation with my mum too. So can you please not say it like that? It has a different meaning.
01:25:25
Speaker 6: Thank you, Linda.
01:25:27
Speaker 7: Hope you're okay, Linda.
01:25:28
Speaker 6: Linda, who has nominated us the walkiest city who fell over, did not have a fall.
01:25:32
Speaker 12: No.
01:25:32
Speaker 6: Linda, who is now in the running for the Cheesefest tickets. Should we give them away? Should we give away the Cheese Fest tickets? Let's do it.
01:25:38
Speaker 7: Well, she broke her arm.
01:25:39
Speaker 6: I hate Linda. Linda, you're off to... Take the kids. You only need one arm to eat cheese, don't you?
01:25:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
01:25:45
Speaker 6: Get someone else to carry the tickets. You carry the cheese, and you'll have a fantastic time. Not this weekend, but next weekend, Cheese Fest returns to Rundle Park, October 17 and 18. Get your tickets from cheesefest.com.au. We're talking migration. After the break, it's been the dominant topic of conversation in federal politics for the entirety of this year, and it's taken until yesterday for the coalition to put together a cogent policy. We have the details now. They've trod a sort of middle ground. John O'Donoghue is going to join us, the Shadow Home Affairs Minister, to tease out some of that. We've been asking you this morning, has it moved you at all? Are you moving back to the coalition?
01:26:24
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
01:26:25
Speaker 6: You shifted away. Do you believe them? Do you trust them? Is this a good, positive step? Lots of great feedback. You're going to hear about it on the other side of this break.
01:26:35
Speaker 3: Knockdown Bill 2 with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:26:43
Speaker 5: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:26:47
Speaker 6: 20 minutes to nine. Shadow Minister for Home Affairs, Senator John O'Donoghue will join us in just a moment. We asked you before eight o'clock about the Coalition's new immigration policy, which in short would see a cut to net overseas migration of 100,000 for two years, then increased to 160,000 by 2032, and then after that point be pegged to housing construction. Whether this moves you, are you someone who's moved from being a traditional Liberal voter to voting for One Nation or maybe elsewhere in the political spectrum? Is this enough to get you to look at the Coalition seriously? And we've got some text to this effect.
01:27:29
Speaker 7: Yeah, some differing views. Are you moved by this, Andrew? No, I'm not. For me, the Coalition are just doing it for votes. It's not what they believe in.
01:27:37
Speaker 8: Anthony says, I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet, but the Liberal Party party's plan for immigration is a good start as something needs to be done ASAP, but there's a lot more work to go through. And then this one from Simon. As a conservative voter, this is really good from the Liberal Party. We've always trusted them more on the economy, and this has been their one area of weakness.
01:27:57
Speaker 7: So it's good to see it is being resolved.
01:27:59
Speaker 6: Well, and I think by that measure, there's an element of this that I really like. And we've spoken in the past about the migration debate becoming some sort of reverse auction where the person who says the lowest number wins and there's not a lot of science and frankly intelligence to that kind of the way in which this debate's been framed to this point and Angus Taylor made a couple of points yesterday that are worth registering as we contemplate the value of this policy and that is and this might sound really crass but diluting the contribution of a potential migrant down to their economic value. And he says a skilled migrant– these are by their numbers, Parliamentary Budget Office numbers that they haven't released, but this is what they're saying uh these the skilled migrants they want to increase the intake of uh are worth about seven of those that are now being turned away in a in a purely how much tax do you pay how much do you contribute to the economy so that's why the coalition are arguing We've got a number that will have a net neutral impact on the budget. This is not going to cost Australians. I think there's a small, tiny benefit. It's effectively net neutral. So they've tried to find a ground that meets the public's desire for a reduction in migration, but at the same time isn't going to lead to economic ruin. Now, a lot of business entities disagree with this, and this is where I want to bring in Senator John O'Donoghue into the conversation. Senator, good morning to you.
01:29:22
Speaker 24: Good morning to both of you. Thanks for having me.
01:29:24
Speaker 6: Good to have you on board. So the Business Council of Australia are saying that the $ 650, 000 cut in temporary visas risks worsening skill gaps. You've got the Australian Chamber of Commerce saying that this policy is not a good thing and would undermine the growth rate of the Australian economy and our future growth potential. Do you, in pursuit of One Nation votes, risk surrendering the Liberal Party's traditional ground as the party of business?
01:29:55
Speaker 24: Well, first and foremost, this policy is about righting wrongs in the immigration system, getting it right. We've long been on record talking about what's wrong with how this government's been managing it, where we need to, and now we're laying out where we think changes should occur. Now, in terms of the reduction in the temporary visa holder population of 650,000, a huge portion of those are people on bridging visas. I would love to know what analysis the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry or the Australian Industry Group have done on what skills gaps those groups, that group of people are filling. The point we're making here, and you referenced it a little bit just in your opening remarks there, that our plan is about removing people from our country and indeed ending the pipeline of people coming in and occupying temporary visa positions in this country and replacing them with people who come here based on skills need. So, for example, the temporary graduate visa program, which enables any international student who concludes their study to stay on and work, not necessarily in their profession and certainly not dictated to by what skills gaps we have in this country. If you conclude your study here, let's say you've done engineering, medicine or even perhaps commerce or law. you can then go offshore and apply for a skilled visa, and then you will be selected to come to this country based on the skills we need. That is good for our economy. That is good for filling skills gaps deliberately.
01:31:23
Speaker 6: Yes, meeting skills gaps and growing the Australian economy are two discrete issues, and I think the business community are pushing back on, effectively, this policy putting the brakes on economic growth.
01:31:34
Speaker 12: Yeah, well.
01:31:37
Speaker 24: I'm not sure how that is the case. By actually replacing people who don't necessarily fill a skills gap, and based on the analysis we've done, broadly don't fill the skills gaps, yes, they might do jobs, there might be Uber drivers, there might be hairdressers, there might even be some of the skills we need, but not by majority. And to that end, what we're saying is, Our policy around immigration needs to be deliberate. So we have skills gaps. Government policy should, when it comes to immigration, dictate that those people are coming here should fill those gaps. Under the current program with temporary graduate visas and certainly with bridging visa holders, they do not fill the gaps. They can be anywhere doing anything they want in any profession, not directed to filling gaps. So one, we have to bring the numbers down. We've, as you've already outlined to your listeners, we've outlined how we'll do that. But then this is about not only offsetting costs to the budget, but filling skills gaps so we can continue to grow the economy. And if you have people working in the sectors where they're needed as opposed to ones where they're not, that's how you keep economic growth up. And that's what our plan does.
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Speaker 8: You mentioned they're removing people from our country who shouldn't be here. And you're not the only party that is focusing on that as part of the migration plan.
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Speaker 7: But how.
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Speaker 8: will the Liberal Party do that? How will you remove those migrants who are not meant to be here anymore?
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Speaker 24: Well, the first cohort that, of course, is subject to that approach in the policy we're taking is the 77,000 people who are overstaying whatever visa they have previously been here on, people who are legally not entitled to be here. You talk to any expert when it comes to management of immigration, detention and matters related to managing the inflows and outflows of these people, particularly when it comes to illegal overstayers, locating and identifying individuals who've outstayed their visas in this country, given the landmass we have and the regional dispersal of our population, is the most difficult part. So we would empower and augment the capacity for the Department of Home Affairs to locate and identify these people and then assist them out of our country. That is through using intelligence functions which aren't currently used. There is an amazing amount of resource available to our government through ASIO, through Signals Director and other intelligence functions that would enable the government to better, more efficiently locate these people and then apply the law, which of course means assisting these people out of Australia, which is what needs to happen at law to maintain integrity in this system.
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Speaker 6: Did the Parliamentary Budget Office in your modelling look at what the impact would be on housing of your combined policy positions of, one, reducing the net overseas migration intake and, two, reversing the federal government's budget decisions on the capital gains tax discount and negative gearing?
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Speaker 24: The overall work on all of those changes related to housing is something that I'm sure Andrew Bragg the Shadow Minister for Housing, will be able to speak about. Yes, analysis was done by the PBO with regard to the impact that our policy will have when it comes to housing. And an element of that, of course, is back to what we were talking about before, providing visas to people who have skills that we need. And the first cohort we would target, and one of the highest priorities we would accord to skilled visa applicants, is anyone from the housing and construction profession. Because as part of this complicated solution to dealing with the housing crisis, we've got to get the labour in to help build the homes we need, which then, of course, alleviates part of the problem. Supply, rather, is part of the problem. And, of course, our immigration policy not only deals with elements of supply, but also demand. So there was work done on that. Of course, we have predicated our policy, though, on existing numbers, that is, where Labor are at with the number of houses they're building in this country. Our policy is aimed at speeding up the ability to construct homes in this country that we need and then subsequently, of course, training up more people in this country to be able to build the houses we need. And in the interim period, that period where we do cut the net overseas migration number, reduced demand. So those combined efforts will, of course, enable us to catch up and ensure that we deal with this housing crisis.
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Speaker 8: So we could be in a situation where we're bringing in more migrants than we are now. If the focus, as you've just said, is on bringing in skilled migrants who can build houses, if we start building houses really quickly and you're pegging migration to the number of houses built, we could bring in more migrants than we currently are.
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Speaker 24: Well, it would be a great problem to have, wouldn't it, to outpace demand with supply, which is a long way from where we are right now. And of course, we always want to be providing more than our country needs when it comes to these sorts of basic rights, whether it's housing or health or education services. So, And, you know, if we really, one, if we're elected, two, if we did a great job and we're able to rectify all of these problems facing the Australian people, then that may well be a possibility. But at the end of the day, what we've got to do now is deal with the problem we face, which is immigration's been out of control. We have to bring the numbers down. Of the number we do bring in, which is a smaller number, we need to then, of course, make sure they're the people we need, the skills we need in this country. That's what this is about. It's about Australia first and making sure we get out of the migration system what we need. There's no shame in saying that and it's the right approach.
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Speaker 6: Senator John O'Donoghue, we appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 24: Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 16: Take care.
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Speaker 6: That's the Senator, the Shadow Minister for Home Affairs. Lots of feedback coming through on the text line. We're going to get to some of those in just a moment. 0248 08 13 95 for your thoughts or you can call us on 8223 0000. Three plans to choose from. Which one do you prefer, folks? Simple as that on this issue because we've got three detailed and varying policies for dealing with migration in Australia that will be presented at the next federal election. Let's check traffic. Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof, designed, manufactured and installed locally by Lubau.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of feedback on the Liberal Party's migration plan. This one from Claude. Liberals and One Nation doing Trump-style politics. These policies will destroy the economy. Not sure which Aussies will do the jobs. Low birth rates, ageing population, almost full employment at the moment. This is populist politics at its best. But then there's thoughts like Andrew's. It's about getting the right people from the two million-odd immigrants we've allowed in in the past four and a half years. We still have a skills shortage.
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Speaker 10: Which is true.
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Speaker 7: We're almost at full employment, but we.
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Speaker 8: Have a skills shortage. So this is where we do need migration to a certain extent. But as a lot of people point out, we are not the UK. We do not have people that can just come over the border without us knowing. The lucky place that we're situated in the world means we can pick and choose who comes into this country.
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Speaker 6: And we were just talking about it during the break. I think I think they've managed to very cleverly actually craft, in an environment that's been very led by One Nation, there's no doubt about it, a traditionally liberal-style immigration policy. Whether you despise this or think it has value, it's based in economics. It's based in contribution to the overall economy. It's based in limited disruption to business and things like skilled migration and building homes. And I think that was always my, I was wondering, are they just going to do a watered down, are they going to be watered down One Nation? And I don't actually think this is. No. This feels like a liberal policy.
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Speaker 8: And being able to come on the radio and communicate it coherently and explain that economic argument for it. When One Nation released their policy, we tried to get them on. We couldn't get them on the radio station. I don't know if it's just because they've got their one or two spokespeople in Canberra and they don't allow anyone else to speak on it or what it is.
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Speaker 7: It seems to be very controlled at the moment.
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Speaker 8: Maybe they don't trust their candidates or their, their local MPs to talk about these issues. But being able to come on the radio and explain it coherently in a structured way that people can understand helps.
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