FIVEAA Breakfast with David & Will - 1 April 2026

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Speaker 5: This morning. We did discuss the social media age band. There have been a suite of compliance issues, which basically means kids are getting around it and social media companies aren't really doing much to prevent it. The e Safety Commissioner has warned about this. We're going to talk about it very shortly. A really awful story coming into Easter. Frankly, anytime of year, but coming to a holiday as well. Puddle Jumpers, the wonderful little charity has been ransacked. People smashed into it and stole stuff for it. Steering from a charity has to be about as low as you can possibly get. The credit card surcharges are a thing of the past. Does that mean anything actually get cheaper or will it just be subsumed in this sticker price? Are we going to talk about that with the retail association before seven o'clock today? It is a big fuel watch morning because the excise kicks in today. Will petrol stations pass it on immediately or are we going to get the well we bought the petron too, the old regime mine, you know, the thing that always happens on the way out that doesn't happen on the way in. How did Dessi Freeman survive for seven months on the runs? Anthony Mallet, criminologist, to be on the program. Koshi's going to join us, the Treasurer of South Australia. He's got some big questions posed by the war in Iran that we're going to get into as well. After eight thirty, David penbur the good morning.
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Speaker 1: To you, Good morning we'll good morning listeners. You know one thing I reckon that all the petrol stations are really really bad at never absorbing the cost of anything. Like how often do you go to your local pub and say your your your favorite pastor let's come up with a Pasta'll say your favorite pasta is a penne calibrazi, a calibrazy sauce, which is generally like tomato, broccoli, pine nuts, anchiv maybe a bit of a bit of prosciuto in there as well, but broccoli is always a star of the penn a calibrazy. Imagine if the penn a calibrazy at your local bottle, local bistro, at your local pub you own for a cannery could range from eighteen to thirty dollars depending on how much broccoli cost. A good point and if the published will look you know broccoli is out of season.
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Speaker 5: Well nothing swings like say berries blueberries. I know this from while we just had experience with a three and a half year but you don't see yeah in desserts at places. The digital signboard frankly has a lot to answer for. If you had digital pricing at your menu when you opened it up and it was a little box with and it could be changed remotely via computer. You might maybe you would see it.
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Speaker 1: What about this? So I was talking to mate of my last night. He was filling up on Doofy Street only and he's in the queue and he's looking up at the sign and it's saying two dollars forty nine or fifty nine or something like that. This might have been a week or so ago. So he's actually in the queue and there was there was a car in front of him, and there's a car behind him, and he notices that the sign goes It goes up ten cents a later while he's in the queue, and as he goes in, he said to the guy what they all was at? And I said, well, you know, we've got to change it sometime.
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Speaker 5: You just about ticking over in front of you. Well he didn articularly, but this disappoint to what I was making. What I was saying with the digital menu, there is no transactionary cost to the rapid adjustment of a price. To take them, you know, to stretch their menu analogy further. It takes you need someone needs to sit down reprint all the menus. It needs to be someone's job to fix it up. There are a lot of sort of impediments to being that agile with your pricing, beyond what it does to your customer base, who go, well, well, let's go to the other pub. They don't exist for petrol stations. They could literally do it when you're halfway through the take. I'll tell you what's interesting. There is evidence that there are petrol stations this morning that are doing the right thing instantly. So one of them is not our reference point, the OTR at West Terrace. So let I'll give you this is a This is a good reference point for this conversation and we'd love you to be part of this chat this morning. Folks. You are our eyes and ears out.
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Speaker 1: In the road.
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Speaker 5: Two dollars fifty nine point nine. Okay, that is unchanged. That's sort of where it's been. Yeah, two fifty nine point nine. You go to the OTR on King William Road at Onley two twenty nine point nine, So what's that two k's and it's a thirty cent elite difference. You go out north to Torrens Road two dollars twenty nine point nine. This so, yeah, there's all the same company. If you go out to the east in the Eastern Suburbs two twenty nine point nine at the OTR Erindale just down the road this morning, in fact, on Kensington Road at Marriottville, same company k away two point fifty nine point nine. So there is a thirty cent elite difference this morning between clearly places that have already made the change of those that haven't. And often they are right next to each other. But if you see it, if you see it anywhere cheaper than two twenty nine point nine, we'd love to hear from you. Otherwise, if you see it more expensive than two fifty nine point nine, avoid it. Like the plague. There's another one here on if you go out west. I didn't find one out west, but one's just ticked over at Tetley'sail, right next to the airport at West Beach. That's two twenty nine point nine. But if you drive just up the road to Henny Beach Road at Fulham two fifty nine point nine. So for a k and a half two k's driving this morning, you can save thirty cents a leter on petrol.
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Speaker 1: And they're not prohibitively long distances, are they they're right next to each other. It's bizarre. How good mate Rob makes this droll points time to be glass half full with this fuel crisis. For instance, there's been fewer molotov cocktail attacks on the Lesal tobacco cellars recently. I'm not paying that to make an improvised weapon. I didn't come down in the last shower. He can't a blake out and ply his trade. Throwing a flaming cloth rag into a suburban shopping strip unbelievable. It's country stuffed. Hey, I'll tell you what they catch the bugger who's tormenting the people at puddle Jumpers with having had four children Apart from the stuff, I tried to unlow on will I gave you an unused booster seat, didn't I?
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Speaker 6: Will?
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Speaker 7: You?
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Speaker 5: Did? You certainly did?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Well we transitioned beyond it.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah it was in pristine nick, wasn't it perfect condition? I forgot how many children out? I think. I went mad at baby Bunding and bought one more. I thought there was a fifth, but there wasn't, so that was Rosy's win. But I could drive from my house to Puddle Jumpers in gland Or blindfolded. I've been there so many times. You know, it got to the point I just went on this mad spree where I thought, like, you could get on Facebook marketplace. I thought, well, okay, I've got I've got like car seats and stuff like that, so I could spend a long time cleaning them. Because car seats is everyone who has had a child nose. They're a really good way to carry mushed up, half eaten rusk and things like that around for years. Like you can't just take a used baby seat baby capsule to a second hand place and say here you go, or certainly you can't sell it because people have got you know, throw up frankly true. So I thought I could spend hours cleaning this stuff, then I could put it on Facebook marketplace, and then I could be home at certain times where someone goes mate, not one hundred and twenty or give you eighty give you eighty.
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Speaker 6: Bucks for that.
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Speaker 1: Lives too bloody shorters. Yeah, well, unless you, unless you're like totally on the bones of.
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Speaker 5: Your well, have a listen to what you're saying and think about this in this current context, Like not that there's a good time to roll your local charity, but the people that would often be in a position to say, I'm just going to donate this stuff. Might be struggling at the moment, go Actually, you know, an extra fifty bucks is worth the effort all of a sudden. So at times that when they're most likely struggling to get things donated, they get robbed by some bunch of scumbags.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was going to make the point though, that the issue with puddle jumpers seems to be that there's some local who doesn't like the fact that things are being dropped off there, left there, that there's a lot of traffic around there.
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Speaker 5: Oh do you think this is?
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Speaker 1: This is not I reckon, it's some nimbi idiot who hates the fact that puddle jumpers is in what they regard as their suburb. You're kidding me, No, no, no, there's there's there's been there's been issues before with puddle jumpers where people have been going.
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Speaker 5: You know, some retired eminent barristers decide I'm going to go and smash the windows in.
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Speaker 1: Stopping two class war about this. We have got no proof that we don't know what he does for a living he or she.
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Speaker 5: No, I take your point, Well, that that's frankly, that's even worse.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's some sort of amenity.
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Speaker 5: No, I mean some down and out meth heads one thing, but someone who's just like I don't like the idea of the charity causing too much traffic. Yeah, that is a pretty sad indictment on humanity, Luke.
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Speaker 1: In quincidences, guys, be careful. It's April Fool's Day. What have we said?
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Speaker 5: That could be a I think any given day, anything in the first data minutes could be foolish. So I'm not quite sure how that would be any different This morning, Duke.
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Speaker 1: Feels like that when you wake up and check the international headlines, doesn't it?
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Speaker 5: Oh, this morning's is Hey you know that oil? You guys all need good luck. That seems to be the official US position. Now that's great, isn't it? Like? How good are allies?
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Speaker 1: For those of you who are still enamored with Donald Trump, buy Today's Australian and read what the staunchly right wing Greg Sheridan has got to say about him. If you had Greek's column today, really really good, it's really good.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's a consistent pattern of critique now that's coming from the hard right around the world, because it's not an idol. I mean Donald Trump's ideology is all over the shop. It's what it's whatever comes out of his mouth on any given day. It's totally inconsistent. I think it is driving true or right wingers around the world absolutely round the twist.
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Speaker 1: Trump's chaos may leave Iran in control deadline. The global energy crisis arising from the Iram war has barely begun. It'll get much worse before it gets any better, and it could well get catastrophically worse. An increasingly serious problem is Trump's endless, self contradictory statements, declarations, deadlines, ultimatums, and alternating suggestions He's finished with it all and more Ivran in a minute or that he plans to block Bomberanian society into a terrible, permanent humanitarian crisis and may well launch a partial ground invasion as well. Not on the table. That's every single possible thing, isn't it. At the same time, it's a it's a very well written and well fought out piece.
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Speaker 4: Five double a breakfast seed Pemburbi and Will Goodings.
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Speaker 5: Twenty two minutes after six. Well, we were lambasting what the digital petrol sign means for the rapid upward revision of petrol prices. David, I can tell you looking at the RAA fuel watch app even as we've been speaking in this first twenty three minutes, thank god for digital signage, because almost the entirety of the city and inner East now and in a south two dollars twenty nine point nine, including our regular reference point the OTR and West Terrace, just dropped thirty cents a leader.
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Speaker 1: It's all come down. So all those are you saying everywhere? Yep?
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Speaker 5: So for example, I'll tell you so the Western Suburbs reference point that I made between the Tapley's Hill Road o TR and the one at Henley Beach Road.
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Speaker 1: That's one with a subway on the corner there. Yeah, that's right, the opposite AUNG rejects. Eight minutes ago there was a thirty cent a leter difference between those two. They're both now to twenty nine point nine. So what I expects is happening is that everything will slowly migrate towards two twenty nine point nine this morning, So cheap petrol should be thirty cents a lead cheaper as of this morning.
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Speaker 5: That it was yesterday.
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Speaker 1: That's good.
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Speaker 5: Let's check in on the social media ban. This was an intriguing little tidbit that came out yesterday from the Safety Commissioner who said there are areas of what they term compliance issues with the social media giants. Four major failure areas here. They are platforms prompting children to attempt age assurance despite having declared an age under sixteen. So you've already said I'm thirteen. They go, well, maybe you give it a will anyway, I have a crack. Number two enabling repeated attempts until a sixteen plus outcome is obtained.
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Speaker 1: This is on the face scanning stuff.
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Speaker 5: This is all. This is all their measures to make sure that no under sixty has gone on so they get give me you in more chances. Well, that didn't work, but maybe you'd like to try something else. Number three failing to provide accessible reporting pathways and four insufficient measures to prevent new under sixteen account from being created. None of this was not anticipated. We need to be issues, but are they issues that are undermining the whole endeavor. Doctor Alexia Maddix from a Latrobe University joins us on five double a Breakfast. Doctor Maddix, good morning, do.
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Speaker 8: You good morning.
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Speaker 1: Some of this would be attributable to human nature, would it not, Doctor Mannix? I mean, I ask you that question, is the former owner of a fake ID in the nineteen eighties that used to get me beer and West Coast cooler?
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Speaker 8: This is a great way to start this conversation. Absolutely, yeah, definitely. So we're looking at a situation where you've got, you know, the intent to be able to bring in legislation that supports young people to be safe, and the key concern is for kids under sixteen, will remove them from social media because you know it's toxic and that is fair, right. But then you've got kids who want to be in that space, platforms who want to keep people in that space. So those three things don't really add up well to that end.
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Speaker 1: To continue with my nineteen eighties metaphor, and in light of the New Mexico judgment, can meta at ol be likened to the disreputable publican that knowingly turns a blind eye to, or even at worst encourages this kind of stuff because they've got a commercial interest in doing so.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 8: I think definitely the business model means that what they're trying to do is keep people in the space of course, so that is fair, right, And yes, we've definitely seen some recent legal ruling that show that they've got that sort of infinite scroll issue and the stickiness that are algorithmic black hole. And we can see with this compliance report that actually they've snuck into further definitions about platforms which relate to that, you know, the concern around addiction, then of course the concerns around you know, sexual predation in these spaces. So the Ease Safety has done a few things with this compliance report. They've stuck snuck in a few additional definitions about what the problem is, and I think they're getting closer to what the actual problems are. And of course we don't really want our young people exposed to those because they don't have the toolkit at that age to be able to deal well with them. But the mechanism that we know works, which is safety by design, is that we get these platforms to work with us to create safer spaces that are age appropriate, and unfortunately the age ban is not going to deliver that. So the compliance point really the report gives us a bit more information about what's happening right now, and I think that's useful. But then it sort of.
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Speaker 10: Begs the question is to is this.
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Speaker 8: The right way to go?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, really really good chat. Dr Maddox and a Lexi Maddix there from Latrobe UNI's School of Education. Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 5: Eighteen point seven degrees outside in the city at the moment, heading for the top of twenty four. But if you've been outside, you've driven in your car. In much of Adelaide, the headline is that it's raining, and it has been raining throughout the morning. One to six millimeters on the forecast for today, which is the most significant rain event we're going to get over the next seven days will be it. There's some drizzles in the back end of the forecast. Tomorrow twenty four, Friday twenty four, Sunday, Sorry, Saturday is Sunnay twenty six Sunday partly cloudy and gets up to twenty nine before a little bit of rain and a change Monday show or two up to five millimeters in twenty seven and cooler Tuesday twenty one degrees and two millimeters of rain there. Tom Rehn is in the five double A Breakfast studio with this morning.
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Speaker 1: Are you ready?
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Speaker 6: Morning?
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Speaker 3: Will Morning David? This whole negotiation of gathering. It's all just posturing, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was all it needs almost we give more money. Yeah, well, I hope that doesn't happen. Yeah, when we had Malley on the show yesterday. But yeah, the AFL got to be careful to kill the goose that's laying the golden egg.
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Speaker 5: Totally.
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Speaker 3: I mean, surely the whip hand. I'm not a great negotiator, but surely the whip hand.
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Speaker 5: Kind of feels like in and that great movie Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels is a standoff where both guys neither have bullets in their guns, yep, and they sort of both don't one hundred percent know that that's the case, and they sort of have to just walk away. That's what this feels like. The AFL can't take it anywhere else, and we can't afford to loose it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so surely, ultimately, however, face is saved that we get the right out.
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Speaker 3: Let's just sit down and sort this out. So yeah that hopefully common sense prevails, Will is what you're saying, And I think that should happen. So we'll keep an eye on that. Thirty six is tonight. We've spoken a lot about this.
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Speaker 5: I can't wait for that.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be massive.
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Speaker 1: I'll be going to be on the court, not involving the players from what I've heard.
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Speaker 3: Now, did you see the doorstop last night?
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Speaker 1: Sure?
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Speaker 6: Did?
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Speaker 5: Andrew Boger?
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Speaker 3: What did you think?
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Speaker 1: He's a rhymes of anchor, isn't he?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got it here.
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Speaker 3: Do you think Grant Kelly's fat chatch?
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Speaker 7: Like that?
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Speaker 1: Big rotund what's that so I can't hear from? It's a bit disrespectful going you think to be fat shaming a middle aged mankind of you.
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Speaker 5: So he's walking through that the airport with big giant bow style headphones on, acting like you can't hear.
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Speaker 1: I think the whole thing's a bit pathetic. Really.
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Speaker 5: The problem with this that the saddest part of this whole thing is that there is one of the great basketball series of all time going on at the moment and we're talking about this, and yeah.
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Speaker 3: He might not have been able to hear that, but he'll be able to hear the crowd tonight. That'll be pretty loud. So I can't wait. It's going to be great.
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Speaker 1: Can I just say two words? Nest roy Ikunda.
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Speaker 3: How good two goals off the bench five to one.
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Speaker 1: A World Cup fever. After watching that one, how we're going all right? But about the subs helped It was like a new site.
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Speaker 3: So that that was a friendly the final game on home so before the World Cup, which is great, but remember Australia having to play those really tense matches against you require Iran et cetera to make the World Cup Argentina right now, Italy, there'll be a lot of Italian listeners out there that are probably watching. They are playing against Bosnia and Herzegovina and it's through and win the game you threw losing your out. It's been played in Bosnia. Italy went one mill after fifteen minutes. But they've just had a player sent off for taking down the last man, so they are in oh boy strife.
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Speaker 1: It's just made a World Cup for a while. I've missed the two.
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Speaker 3: Last two and they're four time champions. I mean, it's not a World Cup that we need Italy. There no disrespect to Bosnian the Bosnian community, but we need.
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Speaker 1: Italy there than boys.
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Speaker 4: Deepd pen Berthe and wild Goodings five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 1: Twenty one minutes to seven.
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Speaker 5: Lots of terrific texts coming through our eyes and ears are watching the servos this morning. We got one here from Adam in Windvala, says Will and Dave, my local OTR Surrey Downs has passed on the fuel exits cut overnight three twenty four yesterday for diesel two ninety eight this morning two fifty nine front lettered yesterday to twenty nine this morning. Good on you, Adam, thank you. We'll keep an eye on everyone this morning. And the big change is that the vast majority so far look like they're passing on the cut, which means I think there's a general rule this morning two twenty nine point nine is what petrol should be. That's the new price.
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Speaker 1: Diesels coming down to in a lot of places. Luke from Good Quality Meat said he's driving into work to make his superb charcoutery and he said there are two on the runs in Blackwood that have diesel for two dollars ninety eight a leter now, so hopefully that is going to be a tree with diesel.
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Speaker 5: So if anything you see any oddities out there, folks, do let us know that before eight zero eight thirty ninety five. So a few people will be texting about the social media age band as well. Kylie says I can confidently say my fourteen year old and all of his friends have the exact same access to social media, noting they were legally allowed to have it previously and then it was taken away. I am not concerned that face recognition will verify an age of sixteen plus. And Paul Pennington says, gents, my thirteen year old son was burted off instant and got back on the next day with a different name and a different date of birth. His friends have all done the same. The changes are farce and the government should probably focus on the real issues affected society, not this rubbish that was always going to fail. Thank you for that, Paul.
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Speaker 1: Bit of personal responsibility and parental involvement being advocated by Paul there. Well, we're talking before the six point thirty news about what a great, great charity Puddle Jumpers is. I've given half the shed to them in the form of baby seats and cots and prams and all that stuff that you think back to how much time you spent putting prams together when you had kids, and think there's an hour you've got back in your day. Melanie Tape is the founder and CEO of Puddle Jumpers. It's great charity, as I said, but they've had they've had a bit of a recurring issue and we want to try to get to the bottom of it. Melanie, good morning and thank you, so good morning. The Puddle Jumpers had the window smashed. We're talking about the gland Or one.
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Speaker 10: No, this is not at gland Or this is at our port Road at hein Marsh shop.
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Speaker 1: I soar it's the port Road one. Okay, So what what what do you think was the motivation behind it?
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Speaker 10: Look, I don't know, because it's actually really bizarre, you know, I don't know. It was a bizarre kind of behavior of things that were taken and an odd sort of process. So we really don't know. It's a little bit weird.
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Speaker 1: So did you lose many things of value or was it a bit of a bit of a mishmash of items.
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Speaker 10: It is definitely a bit of a mish mash of items, so things like tools and vacuum cleaners and like a desk fan. You know, the staff were putting together a bit of a list of things that they could see, but they said, you know, items of value or some of the things that they would have seen as quite valuable had been untouched, whereas things like the practical shop, vacuum cleaner, pagan very odd.
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Speaker 1: Well, so things you actually use yourselves, not things that would be on sale or rather being given away to young couples looking for cheap baby stuff.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. So probably things that were just more of an absolute huge annoyance, things that they would use themselves. Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: I like it must admit either wrong end of the stick, because I thought it was a gland or business and because you had it. There were some issues there in the past where there were some cranky locals.
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Speaker 10: There have been issues there in the past, and thankfully touch would that have not been occurring in the last sort of twelve months or so.
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Speaker 1: So that's good good news.
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Speaker 5: Is the damage Melanie so great that it's going to prevent you guys normal operation?
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Speaker 10: No, it should be okay. The biggest problem has been that blasted window. Because it's an older style shop and because it's an extra large piece of glass, that's been a bit of a problem because it's an expensive and hard to replace part of the shop.
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Speaker 1: How just generally, how's other than all this. How's puddle Jumpers going at the moment? Melanie? Have you noticed an increase in demand with the cost of living at the moment?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, So it's actually like quite an interesting space because there's an increase in demand for our services and that's called for help from everywhere, from hospitals and schools and families themselves, everybody that's doing it really tough. But also we've had like a decrease in volunteers because of obviously they can't forward to petrol and things like that to get to work, or they're having to work more to substitute the cost that they're having. But interestingly, we said yesterday when we were at the shop, there's actually been a decrease in donations across the organization as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, no sense, it does make sense. We'll look good to chat to you, Melanie, And to anyone who's got some baby gear in the shed, or maybe they've never cleaned out the kid's nursery and they've got a cupboard full of clothes, go and donate it the puddle Jumper. It's a great organization. Thanks for coming on.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about the weather because there's a bit of rainer aut the place this morning. Chris can't at the weather Bureau, Joorye is what do you Chris morning? Yeah, well, well, do you think we need to get up to that sort of maximum amount of rain of six millimeters today?
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Speaker 11: Probably not so think of clothes maybe in a few places. We've got two point two millimeters of no longer so far this morning, and probably a bit some heavier sort of rain falling across southern Fleury at the moment, so like so the paroler maybe picking up sort of closer to that ten. But yeah, a few little light showers around should be clearing up over the next hour or two, I think sort of. And yeah, could see a bit of sun coming out during the afternoon once that's all cleared. So yeah, looking at a maximum of twenty four degrees in the city today, twenty three a Planel twenty four at Elizabeth twenty three no longer and Mount Bark looking at twenty four degrees so reasonably for the pleasant day. Still not getting a lot of cool dry air moving through behind that or once this rain clears, And yeah, over the weekend, I'm looking reasonably clear as well. Maybe a light shower on Monday for the end of the long weekend. But yeah, otherwise, looking like it's going to be pretty nice weekend across satellite.
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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Chris, thanks for that. Chris Kent from the Weather Bureau.
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Speaker 5: Say Pols and you guys, we'll met Brown online. There's been a robbery at Elizabeth Park overnight.
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Speaker 12: That's right, Will. About eleven forty pm last night, police were called to a shopping center on Yorktown Road after reports that a man had been assaulted by two men and a woman who stole the victims while at containing cash. The trio then left a scene on foot in a southerly direction, and one of the suspects was armed with a metal pole. The victim was taken to hospital for treatment of minor injuries. Anyone who may have witnessed the incident or saw suspicious activity around the Elizabeth Park area last night, it's asked to call Crime Stoppers on one eight hundred, triple three, triple zero.
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Speaker 1: Now, Matt, what's happened with this crash at come on In Park? Because it was initially described as a hit run, but then the motorists who hit what a thirteen year old then thought better of it and went back to the scene and then cooperated with police.
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Speaker 12: Is that right, That's right, David. About seven thirty pm last night, police and emergency services were called to the intersection of Cayima Avenue and Winston Avenue following reports that a Toyota Sedan had collided with the pedestrian. Now a thirteen year old boy was assessed by paramedics at the scene before being taken to hospital with non life threatening injuries. It will be alleged to the driver of the Saedan left the scene following the crash, however, returned and spoke with police about eight ten pm. The circumstances surrounding the crash and the actions of the driver are being investigated by officers from the Road Policing Section. So anyone who may have witnessed the crash and hasn't yet spoken to police, or anyone who might have captured it on dash cam footage or CCTV is us to call Crime Stoppers on one at hundred, triple three, triple zero. So investigations are still ongoing in relation to that Cumberland Park crash.
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Speaker 5: And just finally, Matt, there's been a suspicious house far at gulwa Ah.
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Speaker 12: Yes, a couple hours ago. About three thirty am today, police and fire crews were called to Lewis Street after reports of a house fire. Fortunately the occupants weren't home at the time and there were no reports of any injuries, but firefighters worked quickly to extinguish the blaze and crime scene and investigators will be in attendance today to determine the cause of the fire. So we're asking anyone who might have witnessed suspicious activity in Lewis Street, Goolwa South to contact crime Stoppers on one A hundred, triple three, triple zero.
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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Matt, Thanks for that. Have a good weekend. I will probably chat tomorrow. Actually it's not Thursday, it's Wednesday, so we'll save the East related.
00:30:11
Speaker 5: We'll be at the Central Market tomorrow, so it sort of feels like an every start of the weekend.
00:30:15
Speaker 1: It's going to be great.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, a good way to bring in the I love my bring I love doing all the market shows, but I really love the Easter one. Yeah, it feels well. It's one among the most busy, isn't it. It's about as busy it gets the market the day before Good Friday, so it's going to be a massive day, looking forward to being down there.
00:30:33
Speaker 4: Five double a breakfast David pen Berthy and Will Goodings.
00:30:43
Speaker 1: Nine to seven.
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Speaker 5: Now, this is an interesting story that came out yesterday and it's a big one in the context of an ongoing cost of living conversation. We're having it at the moment. We're on permanent round the clock Fiel watch this morning with the Excise coming off today. The good thing is it looks like it is significantly cheaper thirty cents a later cheat but then if you'd filled up unleaded wise yesterday. But the RBA have axed the credit card surcharge, the federal government saying it will it would save the tax payers of Australia over a billion dollars a year. So from October one, that you know, one point four one point eight two percent surcharge when you tap your phone or use a Visa or MasterCard or whatever it might well be, will no longer be something that is able to be charged. Now, critics have said, well, doesn't that just mean it will now be contained in the sticker price of the good you're buying, as opposed to something that's been independently declared. The RBA say, well, it shouldn't because they're offsetting the cost of those transactions with another measure as well that will save nine hundred and ten million dollars for retailers who who say we'll hang on this could leave us out of pocket. Let's get this the sense of Chris Rodwell, the CEO of the Australian Retail So, Chris, good morning.
00:32:00
Speaker 13: To you, morning, good to be with you.
00:32:03
Speaker 5: So Chris, will people save as a result of this?
00:32:09
Speaker 13: I think households might, but it's absolutely up for up for debate whether that actually happens. I know you mentioned the RBA said the lawer interchange fees will flow through to savings. The truth is that we don't really have clarity of whether or not that will happen, and that was something that we ask through this process, this consultation process, to show how this, how this might occur. In reality, the concern has to be that it'll be worn by smaller retailers. This this removal of the surcharge. I mean, all they're doing in passing on that cost is they're recovering the cost the cost it is for them, and so you know, it doesn't have our support and fortunately that will be borne by smaller retailers. A lot of the larger retailers already absorb these costs, so small retailers have been doing a particularly tough there's a cost of living crisis, there's also a cost of doing business crisis. And if you look at what's happened yesterday, you've got a decision on junior pay rates, which means they'll be paying more. You've got this decision and Roy Morgan released some stuff on consumer confidence that's now in the late fifties. That's the worst number on record in fifty years. So if you're a small retailer, unfortunately waking up today and with everything else that's happening with the Middle East crisis, it's not a great day.
00:33:41
Speaker 1: Those junior pay rates that decision increase. I don't having a part time job as a kid is meant to be character building. Some of those numbers being banded about now are extraordinary.
00:33:52
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, I mean it's a writer passage. In Australia, one in eight Australians get their first job in retail. There's about half a million young people under the age of twenty four who work in retail and often they come without well they come without the experience, and they require training, they require supervision, So there's no doubt that's going to add significant costs to retail businesses. Again, smaller mid size operators that are really facing into difficult times are going to be concerned by this decision. So the one good thing is that they protected those existing junior rates for sixteen and seventeen year olds. But yeah, it's just another cost on retailers.
00:34:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Chris Rodwell, the CEE of the Australian Retail.
00:34:42
Speaker 5: Accounts, doesn't that just mean a normal higher kid? Well, yeah, that's total. What would you like if you.
00:34:48
Speaker 1: If you're sixteen years I'm not talking we're advocating a return to the salt lines here, you know, Dickenzie and Chimney sweepers. But if you if you're fifteen or sixteen and you've got absolutely no skills and nothing on your CV, that should attract a certain lower price point in a salary sense, should it not. I mean when I was working at S on Morphot Road as a year ten, I rocked up not knowing anything about wheel alignment or how to change tires or anything that teach me all of that on the job. Got quite good at hammering those little lead things in found it quite satisfying. Yeah, could have been a career path by stank of Solvo the whole time.
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about this this RBA merchant fee. Oliver Brown is the co founder of the Big Easy Group, The Big Easy Group to talk about some of the best brands in South Australia Anchov, Bandit, but Taga, Bandido. You had one of their sandwiches, Luisianlouisian Steaks there, Bandit Pizza and Wine. Oliver Brown joins us. Now, Oliver, you're skeptical that this removal of this fee is going to do anyone any benefit.
00:35:58
Speaker 14: Yeah, good morning, guys. I'm I'm very skeptical. I don't see if in hospitality everyone kind of talks about this ten percent profit number and that you know, if the good operators are passing on the sur charge and it's one and a half to two percent, that's you know, fifteen to twenty percent of their profit at the end of the year. So there's no way they can't build that into the cost of their products. So all it's going to do is just put put prices up. And currently it's because if you pay with card over pay with cash, there's an additional cost to the venue to process that card fee.
00:36:32
Speaker 15: So all that was being.
00:36:33
Speaker 14: Done is that that card fee or that cost of processing that transactional just being was being passed on. So then when you pay cash, you obviously didn't have to pay that fee. So what's going to happen now is all the prices will go up to include it. If you're paying cash, you're going to be paying for everyone's f poser charges as well.
00:36:54
Speaker 5: The RBA Oliver is saying that those merchant transaction fees are going to come down as well as a compled this, but it sounds like you don't think that that's going to be enough to cover the cost of no longer passing it on.
00:37:06
Speaker 14: Well, a lot of the small retailers in contracts with the merchant providers anyway, so you might be in the middle of a two year contract where you're being charged at one point three percent. So I don't know how it's going to impact those contracts, but I doubt those companies are going to turn around and reduce your rates if you're if you're locked into them, it's that they're reducing the fees on the other side, And I think they could have made it more fair. I think they could have done a lot to make it more fair as far as how banks actually charge it over because I can tell you that your your big retailers are not paying the same one and a half to two percents their charge that they're charging your your local cafe. So it's not a fair playing ground as it stands. But this isn't going to isn't going.
00:37:50
Speaker 5: To solve it.
00:37:51
Speaker 1: You notice it more at small places like you noticed it. Yeah, I reckon the last time I went the Walllonger market on today morning. You buy like a loaf of bread and then you say, go, hang on, let's we've been charging seventeen cents because it's the little tap and go type places that go, well, we can't suck this up. So yeah, no. And you make many good points, Oliver, and you run many excellent food venues. You come on in to talk about policy, mate, you get a free plug for your businesses as well.
00:38:20
Speaker 14: Yeah beautiful, How good that I appreciate.
00:38:23
Speaker 1: It on your mate, Oliver Brown, the co founder of the An unintended consequence of this in the event that those merchant transaction fees don't come down and commensurate to the existing surcharge will be something.
00:38:37
Speaker 5: That will really irritate people who pay with cash because if you have to assume the cost now just in the say you know the cost of a schnitzel, Well, people who pay cash, we're bearing that cost as well. You're not going to adjust. If you can't have a declared merchant fee, it will be spread out among everyone who pays for things. So whether you use card or not, you're going to be par for the service.
00:39:01
Speaker 1: On the junior pay rates question, Emma in Fairview Park says, my seven year old's only getting one shift now he's been done. Think it's too expensive. Lisa, on the other hand, says we're all a pack of flint hearted sods. Eighteen to twenty year olds are not kids. She says, that's fair enough. Conversely, Ben, and this is where I was coming from my STLs. Ben, your first job is supposed to be a tough job, low paying with a terrible boss. It's character building and it motivates you to do better and follow your goal.
00:39:29
Speaker 5: Well, I think back to my early days of working in hospitality, and there were seniors and juniors in roles, and there were always lots of juniors because they were cheap. Now, if you're doing the business model now you might say, well, if they're all the same, well there's just far fewer jobs for juniors because we're not going to get them in doing entry level stuff cleaning plates. You know they're doing that. If you're go to pay them an out at wage, we might as well whether we could add six of them and giving six young kids an experience in the industry, we'll just high to adults that are now just the same as everyone else. So I mean, well, well intentioned as it might well be, I can't see how it doesn't reduce opportunity for young people.
00:40:09
Speaker 1: And it's a different argument from adult workers, where you know, you're not talking about people with mortgages. You're not talking about people with kids. You know they are they are still teenagers like you know they're I mean, we call them kids for a reason. So anyway, it's it's one of those prohibitive things I reckon that is an unexamined cost factor for businesses in this country.
00:40:37
Speaker 5: We're going to be talking about petrol next. It's been a big discussion the first hour it is coming down. What does that tell us about the long term trends and so forth, will we run out. We're going to get into all that.
00:40:47
Speaker 4: Next five Double a breakfast David Penberthy and Will Goodings.
00:41:00
Speaker 5: Late after seven. Good morning to you. Welcome to Wednesday, the first of eight brawl. It feels like, well at least looks like the first day of winter. It's still fairly warm out there, but it's dark and it's wet. A bit of rain about the place as well. I'm not expected to continue throughout the day, but it's going to be coolish start to the Easter long weekend and warm up on the back half of it. But nice to get a little bit of rain in the garden this morning. What is even nicer is to see a sea of green on the RAA fuel watchapp as we wake up this morning. The fuel Excise harving is officially in effect, and there was the only outstanding question was would how quickly would it be passed on? Well, it looks like it's been passed on instantly, certainly in metropolitan Adelaide, where the vast majority of servos this morning are selling unleaded. For two twenty nine point nine yesterday at the close of business, it was two fifty nine point nine diesel too has come down, but overall it looks like it's been passed on when it took petrol. In more depth in just a moment, also Freeman, how did he survive for seven months in the middle of nowhere? What kind of systance would he required? What went into that? X Anthony Mallett, criminologist, is going to join us after seven thirty today. David Kosh is going to be on the program before eight o'clock and after thirty the Treasure of South Australia. He's suddenly got a few headaches. Tom Kertzon totus in this environment, we will we'll discuss that with him as well, But it's more your budget that we are concerned with at the moment, how it's being impact by petrol prices. Rowan Lee is the CEO of the Australasian Convenience and Petroleum Markets Association, Rowing good morning to.
00:42:34
Speaker 15: You, Good morning tellas, thanks for coming.
00:42:36
Speaker 1: On Rowan for April Fuels Day as we've dubbed it. What we was just saying about the trend around town looks like prices are starting to come down. Does that surprise you because Jim Chalmers yesterday off the back of the announcement seemed to be saying, look, it could take three four days to roll through, given that all of the petrol that's in tanks now was bought you know, with the with the war and truly underway.
00:43:02
Speaker 15: Well that's what that's what we anticipated. Also we anticipate because the fuel was under the underground in Servo today this morning was bought with a full excise on it. So the anticipation was that as that got sold through and left left Servo and those things underground got wereplenished, they would have a lower excise on them. I think what's happened is that the corporates have essentially dropped their prices straight away, and then the Independence of having the masimine price now that what that means they're going to take a huge financial hit. Now people may say, well about time they copped it, but the point of it is that there's a massive financial impact on Independence who are having to match the lags corporates who obviously dropped their prices so low. So you know, if you were bought a million dollars worth of petrol and and and then you've got the exercise coming in lower and you're han't matched that lower price, you could be losing two hund sixty grand on a minion dollars worth fill. So this is going to have a massive impact on independence potentially, but not just the corporate's not just blaging them. It's just having some clarity around pricing and some you know, and just some clear information about what is happening. But certainly this has created a bit of a market distortion to the benefit of consumers, and that's time. But it's going to have an impact on a lot of a lot of retailers.
00:44:40
Speaker 1: Well, if they've gone early on this and they're now reducing the price of petrol despite the fact that it was brought at a higher price and would full whack excise on it, could they sort of be funding that in part by the fact that earlier on during the war, they started jacking up the price of petrol that was actually cheaper.
00:45:01
Speaker 15: Anyway, Oh, look, I couldn't read the too much into that, and very hard to comment. There's very little visibility and transparency into into how that works. Certainly, at the start of the conflict, international prices basically skyrocketed overnight. So what was happening was that retails wholesalers and retailers here we're having to anticipate for what it would cost them to a place to fuel they had underground at that time, so if they saw it rising thirty percent, that'd be a bit like, well too, I need some I need some cash so I can afford to buy some that field to replace the stuff I've got now. So that was what was happening at the start. But certainly, you know, having some clarity and visibility around how this pricing is happening would be would be welcome.
00:45:57
Speaker 16: Rob.
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Speaker 5: Do you have any concerns that a temporary and art official reduction in the petrol price will simply inflame abnormal customer behaviors and buying habits.
00:46:07
Speaker 15: Oh, look, we've we've thought that's very very big changes in buying habits. We've had panic buying initially, and then we had sort of stopped piling not just residentially but in commercial sectors, and also forward buying in some of the fake commercial and agricultural sectors where people normally buy fuel in late April or May, you're suddenly buying twenty fifty or one hundred thousand liters of fuel in March, so that's the stored of the market as well.
00:46:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm certainly jumping around a lot. Rowan lee the Australasian Convenience in Petroleum Marketers Association. Thanks for that.
00:46:46
Speaker 5: Let's go to port to alonger. MIC's on the line.
00:46:48
Speaker 1: Morning Mike, morning.
00:46:49
Speaker 17: Boys, now are we good?
00:46:51
Speaker 6: Thank you?
00:46:52
Speaker 9: I'm really excited this morning. I'm going into work early because as of day one of all this petrol crisis, I got massive emails across my best with all these rises in levens and prices. I'm feed to far up a computer this morning and see the massive drops. But one thing that does concern me. I did a bit of a look this morning, and I don't know whether I've got my facts wrong, but I thought the fuel excise was charged at the pump. Per Leader's soul. If that's the case, why is it going to take up the two weeks for it to come down If it's what's sold out the pump on the day.
00:47:25
Speaker 5: Well, Rowan seemed to indicate with his first answer to his Mike, I don't know if you heard it that it's paid. The excise is paid by the company when filling up the tank. That was the way he that was the phrasing he used a moment ago.
00:47:39
Speaker 9: Okay, well, and that as you said, the same argument that you just said, if it went up immediately the pump the change were already.
00:47:46
Speaker 1: Full, that's exact, is exactly right.
00:47:49
Speaker 5: And Rowan's answer was, well, our vagaries around these sorts of things. Yeah, yeah, they had to build up a cash buffer, knowing that the more expensive petro.
00:47:57
Speaker 1: Was coming, which you know, okay right? Is that why you were smirking with That's why that's I was smirking during his arts at about so I saw a Goodings eyebrow move in a direction.
00:48:10
Speaker 5: He's speaking on behalf of the retailer, trying to explain, you know, the difficulties that faced by them.
00:48:14
Speaker 1: But I sort of got this image in the head of people who look like some of the extras in the Wolf of Wall Street working for the oil companies. When it comes to when prices go up and prices go down, like it's real moneyball stuff, isn't it.
00:48:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I suspect it's largely automated. It'd be a formula that goes into it. How much is coming out, the rate at which it's coming in the international price league and the price of competitors within a certain with a certain sort of geographic range.
00:48:46
Speaker 1: See the Advertiser's got a story up online plan to remove the mall's balls from run Mall due to safety issues before the famed sculpture terms fifty Next year, the Adelaide City Council plans to remove the South I was his favorite to make Rundell more safer. Jane lo max Smith is quoted in the article saying that the odd broken arm or leg from those scaling the balls might have been okay in the seventies and eighties, but the advice now is that we simply cannot keep the balls in their current form in twenty twenty six unless we are to install scaffolding to ensure safe scaling. And it says the council is going to vote on Wednesday on whether to remove the iconic balls. Now, that's a story that you have to check the date of the paper.
00:49:35
Speaker 5: That is one that you very much have to check the date of the paper.
00:49:38
Speaker 1: What's funny though, is that there are people who jumped online going berserk about it. I think the nanny state left. He's making these decisions to be removed. First, Barrie says, this has to be an April fool's joke. If not, then someone is truly a fool. I like this comment, though, Nick, this has to be This has to be an April Fools joke. It's simply too stupid a proper position, even for the Adelaide City housing. Yes, there's a few of those getting about.
00:50:05
Speaker 5: If you spotted e text them into a zero four eight zero eight thirty ninety five. On the other side of this break not an April Fools joke. Houses in Adelaide are, now we knew this day was coming, officially more expensive than they are in Melbourne. We'll be getting into that story next.
00:50:21
Speaker 4: Deevidvanburvie and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
00:50:32
Speaker 1: Twenty after seven.
00:50:32
Speaker 5: Houses in Adelaide are now more expensive than houses in Melbourne. That's according to the Aria Group's April Home Price Index that's just been released. Now you might say, hang on, didn't we do this last year? Our average dwelling price increased more than what it was higher than Melbourne at a point last year, And the subtle difference is there this time we're talking about houses. All dwellings is a little bit distorted. In Victoria, because they have so many apartments and that I remember we did this all property. This is houses now, this is this is why this is significant today. Last year when we did it, we said, oh well a house is still worth more in Melbourne. It's just that they have so many units that are dwelling is now more expensive la well. Now, as of this moment, the median price of a house in Adelaide one point zero one six million, Melbourne one point zero one five So it's one thousand dollars difference.
00:51:26
Speaker 1: But it isn't about like Brighton and two Rack and South Yarra and Q all of those. There's so many of those really flashed suburbs in Melbourne. I just find it amazing that when you pile all of those houses together and all of our houses together.
00:51:40
Speaker 6: We were in front.
00:51:42
Speaker 5: Interestingly, I thought, well, how does that contrast against average weekly earnings in South Australia versus Victoria these days?
00:51:48
Speaker 1: As well?
00:51:48
Speaker 5: So the last report the ABS put out August twenty twenty five last year, the highest median weekly earnings in Australia where the ACT sixteen hundred dollars a week. The NT funnily enough, one thy five and ten dollars a week. The lowest Tazzy and South Australia both thirteen hundred dollars a week. Victoria, though not Mileshead on three hundred and eighty dollars a week the average innings in Victoria. So it's an eighty dollar a week difference. But our prices, our home prices are now officially well the median is more expensive. Peterkalizos is our favorite probably expect to speak to on these sorts of matters. Property lecturer at Adelaide UNI, Peter, Good morning to you. Sorry, Peter, I think we've got you there now.
00:52:31
Speaker 17: Good morning gentlemen.
00:52:32
Speaker 1: So, Peter, is this cause for celebration or alarm giving the lack of housing stock in South Australia.
00:52:38
Speaker 17: It depends on which side of the fence you're on, But certainly for those people that have their own property or are paying it off, would be quite happy because it's worth a lot more than what they paid for. But for those people trying to get into the market it has been very difficult. But the good news for them maybe they're not so. Good news for those people that own property is that the Adelaide property boom is over We've had it terrific for five and three quarter years. It started in June twenty twenty, but I think the increase in petrol was the straw that broke the camel's back, a big piece of straw. But we've still managed to beat Melbourne's house price in that period of time because they have done particularly poorly since COVID started.
00:53:23
Speaker 1: So when you say the boom is over, Peter, are you saying you can't see much wiggle room for significant future growth.
00:53:33
Speaker 17: There won't be double digit growth this year like there has been basically in the past five years. Property prices will still go up, but not at the same rate as they have for the last five years. The increase in interest rates were starting to hurt, but now the increase in oil, which is going to increase inflation, is really dampening consumer confidence, which nationwide was at a historic lobe they reported earlier this week, is going to put a damp no, not just on the property market but on the economy.
00:54:11
Speaker 5: In Westpac now forecasting three rate rises before the end of the year, Peter, I would ask you about Canada's a real estate market, property market which is seen in some places some staggering drops since their COVID related highs twenty to thirty percent in some areas. Could something like that happen in Australia?
00:54:30
Speaker 6: Do you think?
00:54:31
Speaker 17: No, the Australian psyche, we are obsessed with owning our own home, and we will make lots of sacrifices to either keep our homes or to buy our home. And so the Canadian psyche is not as obsessed as we are. So and what gives me confidence in saying that is if I look back at history, especially for adelade or South Australia, you know when the property market has dropped, it has dropped single digit, three percent, four percent, and it might do that next year. I'm not saying that it will, I might do that. What people need to remember, over the last ten years, it's increased by more than one hundred percent. So for example, if I went up one hundred and five percent in ten years and it drops five percent in one year, like you're still way ahead.
00:55:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I looked. I'm not a numbers guy. I Will was the numbers guy here, but I was writing a piece about and looking at the rise of one nation support amid a housing crunch here in Adelaide. Cost a living, affordability pressures and so on. When Steven Marshall became premier, which feels like it was only yesterday, the average house price in Adelaide was four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars well eight years ago, eight years ago and sorry you can going no, no, no, I was just going to say, and what is it? And now it's double well.
00:55:56
Speaker 17: One of the reasons that the market is doing so well is because of Steven marsh and the way that he coped with COVID and then came along Peter Malanowskas and we continued to cope well with COVID. This takes me back to the nineteen nineties where in South Australia and Victoria we both were in recession for the same reason. Our major financial institutes died. So we had the State Bank of South Australia where broke. In Victoria it had the Pyramid Building Society. But in Victoria they had Jeff Kenneth, which virtually built them out of recession. Now we have Peter malanowskis who's building us out of recession. We've just built a new hospital, We're building another new hospital.
00:56:36
Speaker 2: We've got the Torrens.
00:56:36
Speaker 17: To Thailand's daling infrastructure. So there's a huge amount of economic activity happening in South Australia which provides for a very healthy economy and it flows onto a very healthy property market. But we've certainly got Steve Marshall and Peter man Alauskis to thank us for keeping us well during COVID and continuing to do well after Peter.
00:56:57
Speaker 5: We're heading towards a federal budget that may well contain significant taxation reform inute. Some of the things contemplated go to the capital gains tax discount that's provided for property investors, maybe some sort of a cap on negative gearing. Do you think any one of these particular options is superior when it comes to addressing the housing affordability crisis.
00:57:19
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:57:20
Speaker 17: Look, I think and many property investors that are listening to this way like this, But I think decreasing the discounts a thirty three percent is the right thing to do. But it's just it's the wrong time because we say it will help housing affordability. But if there are less property investors in the market, where are the renters going to it? It's not like the government will come in and take their place because not, because the housing supply is fixed. And one of the reasons is we have this many people building houses and this much construction material. It's not like you can snap your fingers and say, oh, well, now we'll have twice as many people building houses. You know, it doesn't work like that. But the fifty percent discount was formulated back in nineteen ninety nine, when the previous twenty years inflation had run out a total of one hundred and sixty percent from twenty twenty. From twenty to twenty nineteen, inflation has only run at sixty percent, so the discount was given to take into account inflation. But inflation was far higher back then than it is today. So yes, I can see the logic in dropping the discount, But so far as Renters is concerned, is that the right thing to do now? I'm not so sure.
00:58:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating stuff. Peter Peter Coleizos, property expert and property lecture leccher at. I was keep going to say University of Adelaide. It's now Adelaide, Adelaide University. Twenty nine minutes after seven, we're talking Desi Freeman. After five Double A News and David Kosh coming up before.
00:59:00
Speaker 4: Five double a breakfast Deevid Penberthy and Will Goodings.
00:59:11
Speaker 1: Twenty two minutes.
00:59:12
Speaker 5: The way David Kosh coming up before eight o'clock gave some good tips last not in seven years cost you're about to had it weather what might be a protracted economic and financial crisis based on the war in the Middle East. Should ask him about the crisis that might be befalling the Port Adelaide football club at the moment too, as we go that. I don't know if he go there yet, do he too early? I just we'll get his we'll get a sense from him how he's feeling about the whole.
00:59:37
Speaker 1: I say, the fact that he fronts up in week out, and he did it all through the debate last year early in the season about how that was Ken sort of a lame duck coach and all that. I sometimes feel that Koshi suffers due to his abundance of access. And that's always been a difference between Port Adelaide and the Adelaide Crows.
01:00:00
Speaker 5: So I don't know if the funny thing about both support I wonder if they both trade the philosophies for one another. I think we Crose fans hate the sort of corporate banking so mentality laid football club or you'll be spoken to when we've got something to say. And I think Port fans sometimes feel like, can we just shut up for five minutes?
01:00:19
Speaker 1: Well, let's throw it over to you know, people like Joe from Evanston and Dave from Albert and the Port fans want us to ask David Kosh a question about how the club is going, or should we just keep our mouth shut and talk to him about you know, economic matters and fuel prices and how happy to be led by our listener will be led by you Port people?
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Speaker 5: All right, it's twenty to eight. The biggest story in crime this week comes to us from Victoria. Now. Sean Fuster, chief court reporter at the TiSER, who usually joins us on a Wednesday, is on leave at the moment, so we're not going to bother Sean. We'll catch up with him in a few weeks. But a familiar voice on five double A is our ex guest doctor's Anthony Western criminologist at Central Queensland University, on the extraordinary story of Desi Freeman, and some more details have come out of it. His final moments, his last stand. We still know precious little about how he was able to evade police for seven months and spent some of that time at very least in a shipping container on a piece of land in northern Victoria. Doctor Weston, good morning to you.
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Speaker 1: Good morning, So seven months, despite his purported skills as a bushman, doctor Western, you'd have to think that he was being helped by other people.
01:01:32
Speaker 16: Well, certainly that was one of the major options, wasn't it. Either that he suicided and died in the bush back in August, probably not long after those shootings last year, or if he was still alive out there somewhere hiding, then somebody was going to have been helping him. That was the only real two options that were left.
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Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of crime scenes in your time. What did you make of the footage that emerged of the chipping container and the set up around it, Because we were talking yesterday to one of the reporters in Victoria, the two chairs like it looked like there was more than one person hanging around there, did it not?
01:02:13
Speaker 16: Well, it's really difficult to say, isn't it, Because we don't know what that area is used for. Before we don't know how long he's been there. We don't know whether he you know, he could have been their very short term and been moving around. He is or was a recognized member of the sovereign Digitian movements, and so you don't know whether he's potentially moved from different safehouses in essence, and that's simply where they tracked him to. So was that an area that he's been using with another person or is that the setup that was previously there? I mean, I think these are the things that will come out as the investigators really turn their eyes to potentially who may have a discipline, because remember they face up to twenty years in prison for helping a few titives, So you know, these are very serious charges and consequences people face if they're found to have a disappempt. But on face value, it looks like more than one person has used that site at some point, whether that was Dessie Freeman or not yet yet to be seen.
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Speaker 5: Doctor Wester, what's your assessment of the differences in the behavior exhibited by a criminal like a Desi Freeme and what are these sovereign citizens that have fundamental difference with the system and other forms of criminality and in addition to that, the preparedness for our law enforcement to deal with these specific subsets of criminal Yeah.
01:03:32
Speaker 16: Well, certainly the law enforcement, including the sphere are all across these kind of these movements, these ideologically driven movements. Obviously sovereign citizens. It kind of came out of the US, and in essence, they hold as the belief that they are morally above, you know, the law. The laws of the country, don't stand their natural citizens. They don't believe in police courts, tax systems, and they're often say that they are subject to what they call common law. And you know, these the individuals who see being pulled over by the police and they're saying, I'm not you know, you have no authority over me. And they sometimes have documentation with them. It's quite common in the US we see this, you know. So they're basically they're very strong in their beliefs that they're kind of above the law. They're quite generally open about them and their plans. They often are prepping as well for the end of end of the world, as it were, So they're usually quite good bushmen. They may have cachets of food and other preparations, but you know, when the end of the world comes and so yeah, it's very difficult for the police to actually manage these groups because they're quite disparate. You know, they have been pushed underground a little bit more recently with using encrypted communications example. That's just really because they're being these platforms by social media.
01:04:52
Speaker 9: So the police.
01:04:53
Speaker 16: Is certainly across them. Generally they're non violent. It's usually a trigger event communication from the police, attempted arrest by the police for unassociated crimes that can push them over the edge. And because they live in often rural regional areas, more of them have weapons than the general population.
01:05:13
Speaker 1: But is that the scary thing though, doctor Western Because they're generally non violent until they're spectacularly violent, you know, and there's that. We've seen it in quint I mean, you can even I reckon, you can trace this right back to what year was it was it ninety five, the Oklahoma City bombing Timothy McVeigh. Like this sort of sense that the government is our enemy, and whenever there is any face to face contact with anyone who in their mind represents the state, state power, they just go all right, this is this is the final moment for me.
01:05:44
Speaker 16: Yep, absolutely, so they as I said, generally non violent, except they go from zero to one hundred quite quickly. And you're right, I think this does go back to you know, there's really anti government, anti authority, belief that the government is kind of pushing things on you. So they are often connected with the anti VAXX movement too. And I'm not making commentary on whether people are anti vax not, but those kind of beliefs that the government they're kind of trying to poison you, control you. Conspiracy theorists, kind of that far right. So all of these ideologies all do play in together, but it's really when there is a trigger event, like an attempt to arrest and we saw that, you know, in this incident with the trains up in Queensland. You referred to that incident a few years ago where again two police officers were sadly shot and killed. They weren't formally sovereign citizens, but they did ascribe to some of these kind of right wing ideological They had been groomed by an American kind of some of these quite out there beliefs. They were definitely conspiracy theorists. So there's definitely connections between these groups across the world. Now and it's a rising issue and certainly something the police are concerned about when we're seeing it escalate to such significant violence.
01:07:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's disturbing stuff, that's for sure. Doctor xanthe Western criminologist at Central Queensland University, thanks for joining us.
01:07:07
Speaker 5: Forteen minutes to eight David Kosh coming up in a moment you mentioned before seven thirty David, a little curius headline in is April first regarding the Maull's balls and the ties of this morning. Potentially it needed to be having scaffold putting them around them because of the potential to cause injury, so we asked our listeners to keep an eye out. We got sent this one. This is good. The Big Rocking Horse has made an announcement. Big announcement, they say on social media. We have around three acres of unused land behind the animal park and have finally got all the approval to build it. Meticulous planning and negotiating over the past twelve months to design the Big Rocking Horse theme park. There'll be a venture for all ages and the best thing will be a rocking horse that actually rocks, a custom built rocking horse ride for all those that have complained the original nineteen eighty one built structure doesn't rock. Move over Lunar Park, that's excellent.
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Speaker 1: Who needs Universal studios when you can go Overthall instead of going a giant rocking horse, that's excellent. You spotted the others out there, folks, send them through to us. We were enjoying reading them before zero eight thirty ninety fives an eight double two three double A double A. A lot of Crows supporters texting in saying they want us to ask about Port start of the season.
01:08:22
Speaker 5: It's a bit it's prepature to be taking glee because it's what are we three rounds in?
01:08:30
Speaker 1: Well in both Adelaide and Port Adelaidea won one game exactly right. Ah yeah, nah, I don't think we do it. We might maybe just asking, you know, we'll asking one.
01:08:44
Speaker 5: How's it all going.
01:08:48
Speaker 1: Again?
01:08:48
Speaker 5: Isn't it lots to talk to him about?
01:08:51
Speaker 1: We're almost two as into the show. I have had an argument about Good Friday. Yet we're going to be talking about it after eight o'clock though you've stacked the deck. I've had this. I've called him the I've called in some papal assistants on this one. The archbishops, come you call the archbishop. I wonder what the archbishop's position is going to be for that relation. In a stunning move, the Archbishop of Adelaide has complained about the the smirching of good Friday. Well, you know, he's got every rock to talk about as anybody else. Totally, he's got a dog in the fight, so to speak, his line of work.
01:09:24
Speaker 5: We'll find out after eight o'clock.
01:09:27
Speaker 4: Deepd pen Burbe and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:09:34
Speaker 5: Hey duait Grant and Christie's beach is called in and a double two three double a double amnit you Grant?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, good Pine guys. Then we've got a nice truck load of Chucks that actually is broken down just before the before hard Orf on the Mount Parker Expressway. The freeway on the way in traffic'st already banked back, probably halfway.
01:09:54
Speaker 15: To Mount Barker.
01:09:57
Speaker 1: It wasn't a praying or anything, I grant.
01:09:59
Speaker 18: It was just just a it's just the truck's broken down.
01:10:02
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well I'll keep an eye out for that one.
01:10:06
Speaker 5: Thank you too to all of our listeners that have done a wonderful job reporting on petrol prices this morning. On April Fuels Day with the excise coming off. Despite what the spokespurs we spoke to from the fuel retailers said about a potential delay in the excise being passed on, it has been guys currently working in Wyala, says Martin from angel Vale Fuel this morning, two twenty nine diesel two ninety nine. That's exactly that mirrors the price change in metropolitan Adelaide. So thank you for that, mart We appreciate the intel.
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Speaker 1: And thanks to Andrew too for correcting me as I said it. I thought, on a minute, that's not right, Andrew says, I. Reckon, we'll find the big rocking horses in Gamarraka, not labor Thal.
01:10:49
Speaker 4: David Cash on five Double a Breakfast.
01:10:55
Speaker 5: Put adelid Football Club chairman compare the market economic director. What's tougher in twenty twenty six, Toshi, you're giving financial advice or running the Port Adelaide Football Club.
01:11:08
Speaker 7: Well, well, there's no Middle East crisis in the inlaid football crisis football club, that's for sure, And a look pretty early in the season for people to get too worked up about things. But I know that. Notice a few commentators getting worked up. But yeah, we're just betting down the new coaching group and new systems, so it takes a little while. You've just got to be patient in this gud.
01:11:40
Speaker 1: One of your fans texted in Koshi, because we were Will and I are trying to sort of crowdsource our questions for you by asking the listeners whether we should even ask you about the start to the season. But one of your loyal fans pointed out that port Adelaidea currently above the Crows on the ladder, so may we try.
01:12:00
Speaker 7: But it's just everything just changes and so quickly, and you've got to you've got to balance everything up. I noticed one one commentator sort of how to go with us because we didn't weren't in the draft at the end of last year, and anyone who knows about football knows that the next two years we've got all of these father sons and academy kids coming through our system. And it's it's basically, you've got to prepare for that, and you've got to you've got to save up, pick some points and all that dark art of recruitment. So and that was all in preparation for for two bumper years of father sons and academy players coming through in the next.
01:12:50
Speaker 1: Two years in the future.
01:12:53
Speaker 5: That's sort of an investment strategy for yeah.
01:12:56
Speaker 7: Zemis Zemi's pilot, the whole whole bunch of young players coming through, and you've got to prepare for that, so you get the.
01:13:03
Speaker 5: Port Adelaide investment strategy. We're wondering about our listeners' strategies for wealth management at the moment or maintenance might be a better way of phrasing. Because you're on seven last night, I thought as it was happening, ky, I was what you thought. We should ask you for our listeners this morning to reiterate some of what you said, because you addressed think everything from people who are sort of withdrawing super out of concern for what's happening in the marketplace, to changing buying habits and doing all sorts of things. But you gave some really good tips about addressing cost of living at the moment.
01:13:35
Speaker 7: Number one, you super lots of people panic and go, oh, I'm going to either take the super out or switch to the cash investment option that we have in our superannuation. Over the last seven years. If you were spooked by COVID, remember the big share market plunges during COVID. If you were to switch to cash on your average my super fun and your return over the last seventy years, last seven years would have been fifty percent difference between just staying in your super fund and leading your fund managers work it through compared with going into cash. The difference fifty percent return on your super Now that could destroy your retirement. So number one with your superannuation front. Of of course, always get good advice from the advisors and your super fund on your mix of investment options. But hey, hold the course because it's a long term investment and this will just seem a blip in the future. And the other things to do is your big bills. Now is the time to plug your financial leaks in your household budget. Do you really need all those subscription services of your half a dozen the average Australians have. Are there ones that you're going, oh, we haven't watched that for about two months? Three months, get out of it. And first of April is the increase of the of private health insurance premiums go through. To make sure you've got the best deal in private health insurance. Are you paying for extras that you're not using at the moment, start to prune them.
01:15:19
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a yoga class?
01:15:22
Speaker 7: No, exactly. It makes a massive difference, and a lot of people go it's too hard with private health insurance, or if I change, I'll have to reset the waiting period. Well know, if you switch providers, as long as it's at the same level of cover or below that you're on, so you switch from Silver plus to silver Plus, you don't need to reset the waiting periods. It's pretty easy to change. And then there's a simple things like car insurance, just doing it or order on your big bills. In my personal finance on seven I haven't been called Koshi's budget challenge, where we go into a family and we go through all their big bills. One family, we saved them nine grand a year. Nine grand. They had a terrible mortgage, they had a terrible car insurance policy. Just by spending a little bit of time comparing what's going out in the market can save your big time.
01:16:27
Speaker 1: I like that.
01:16:28
Speaker 5: It's like your version Koshi have a more polite Ramseys kitchen nightmares. Yeah, you just don't swear as much. And it's plait finance.
01:16:37
Speaker 1: It's a good.
01:16:37
Speaker 7: Idea exactly exactly.
01:16:40
Speaker 1: You like Good Friday football. Will and I had a big fight yesterday. I reckon Good Friday should be sackrisant and nothing should happen on Good Friday? What do you think of it?
01:16:48
Speaker 7: And look, I I don't mind it, mainly because I was involved in a Good Friday appeal for many years through seven true and and it tying into the Good Friday appeal for the Children's Hospital in Melbourne. I thought it was it was a really good one out thing to do.
01:17:11
Speaker 1: Is important, so massive on that in Melbourne, don't.
01:17:14
Speaker 7: They see it's a it's a great thing and you know, frankly something that that's sothastrated could look at as well sort of really getting behind their children's hospitals and doing big fundraising. They have of course telethon in in Perf's massive Good Friday appeal in Melbourne is huge as well. It's a nice community thing to do and if food he can help that and be part of the community. I think that's quite a good thing.
01:17:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. We'll catch up saying and have a good Easter. David cosh Port ADELAI Chairman and compare the market Economic Director and don't miss the Archbishop coming after eight o'clock where he will reveal what he thinks of Good Friday, the hot Boy.
01:17:57
Speaker 5: Anyone's case, isn't it.
01:18:01
Speaker 4: Deevid Van Berthe and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:18:06
Speaker 5: Eight minutes after right. Oh, dear, spare a thought for our Italian diaspora here in South Australia who have missed out on the World Cup for the third consecutive time. It will be what sixteen years in the end between World Cup appearances, potentially for one of the proudest footballing nations on Earth.
01:18:24
Speaker 1: You think about Paolo Rossi in nineteen eighty two, Salvatore Scillachi, the fantastic little motor mechanic from Sicily who was at the USA World Cup, was the Golden Boot. It used to just be taken as a given that Italy. You would just assume that Italy, Germany, Argentina and England would always.
01:18:45
Speaker 5: Been in There was a period in the late nineties or the early nineties where the City are was considered the pre eminent football and competition on Earth, and the Premier League made changes to try and re establish its dominance. It's just unthinkable. Here's how it happened. Just a short time ago.
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Speaker 19: This to win it, to send Bosnia and Herzegovina to.
01:19:07
Speaker 1: The World Cup.
01:19:09
Speaker 19: Baracktaravents scars. Bosnia Hertze Governor will play at the World Cup only the second finals as an independent nation, the first since twenty fourteen. Italy betan. Their worst namers have come true.
01:19:33
Speaker 5: Bosnia and Herzegiven you a country of three and a half million people.
01:19:37
Speaker 1: He's been part of the Yugoslavia, didn't it. That's right, great story for them. The images of where this game was being played are something else. So the stadium looks like it's about the size of Heinmarsh Stadium. It's it's quite small. So it was in Bosnia.
01:19:51
Speaker 5: It was in Bosnia. At each end the build, it is flanked by apartment blocks. The apartment blocks at first blush look like they're on fire because the ultras filled them up and stood on the balconies with flares, and so the entire stadium is ring by these these apartment blox that genuinely look like they're on fire, and they're an Italian red card. After going up one nil.
01:20:14
Speaker 1: We're going to be Bosnian listeners give us a ring on eight double two to three doua double five. What's the Bosnian sort of go to for celebrating well flares, by the looks of things, flares an chive, aptu cheese.
01:20:24
Speaker 5: All right, it's ten enough to right. We're going to have breaking it out in just a moment, but first let's spin the wheel because we've got a Carelert smart watch to give away this morning, the emergency watch. You can use your home care package or NDA is funning and get a care alert for free Australia's number one person alert system visit ker Alert dot com dot au. The number that's been spun up this morning is twenty four. It's again for one of our younger eligible listeners. This twenty four correlates with nineteen forty nine, which means you are turning you're turning seventy seven this year, or you already have turned seventy seven. If nineteen forty nine is your birth year, get calling right now on eight double two three doubleo, and the first person who gets through will get rewarded with the Carolert smart watch. George Orwell published nineteen eighty four. In nineteen forty nine, Wow nine eighty four referenced with regularity in twenty twenty six very much so, all right, let's go break it up.
01:21:24
Speaker 1: Well, this Saturday marks two weeks since the state election, but we still don't have a final result. After it was confirmed yesterday by the Electoral Commission that there's going to have to be a recount in the York Peninsula base seat of Narranga. This is where Fraser Elis, the former Liberal MP Independent, was defeated and it turned into a head to head contest between One Nation and the Liberal Party and they are only separated by a cigarette paper. One Nation's Chantel Thomas is leading by just seventy seven votes after preferences were distributed. She on twelve thousand and seventy eight votes and the Liberals tenure Stock was on twelve thousand and one votes. Now we haven't had it confirmed, but we believe it. Obviously is the Liberal Party that has said to the Electoral Commission a lot, we think it's too close and we want to have a recount. Unclear how long it is going to take for that recount to be processed, but to discuss the implications of all this were joined by Clem McIntyre, who's the emeritus Professor of Politics at Adelaide University claim, good morning, thanks for joining us, my pleasure. This could kick on for a while, could it not.
01:22:35
Speaker 2: It shouldn't take too long. What is it, sort of twenty four thousand votes or so? The electoral Commission's already done a full count and effectively divided those all those votes into the two piles of the two most preferred candidates. And as you say, one Nation candidate is ahead by some seventy seven votes at the moment. But to do a recount you go back to scratch effectively. But the thing with the recount is that the major political party, certainly one Motion and the Liberal Party, will have scrutinies standing there looking at every single ballot paper. There's a chance in the first count that a few votes end up in the wrong pile. It doesn't often happen, but you know it can happen, just sort of a mission and people overlooking the destination of the ballot paper. But when the scrutinieres are standing there at a recount, every single paper will be looked at, and the task of the scrutinieres will be to try and make a case on the one hand that that vote shouldn't count because the voter's intention isn't clear, the numbers aren't written in a way that is definitely legible if the vote seems to be going against your party. On the other hand, if the vote looks like it going towards your party, then you want to argue it in as much as you can, and the electoral commissioner will make the final determination so that the slow owners can be the process of watching over it and ensuring that every single vote is eligible to be ended into the count and is allocated to the right pile.
01:24:10
Speaker 5: Claim. What does history tell us with regard to trying to make up a seventy seven vote differential on a recount.
01:24:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty hard. I think I haven't got the definitive figures with me. But it's not unusual to have ten toil fifteen votes either argued in or out or found to be in the wrong pile in a recount, which is why when there's a difference of several hundred, parties tend not to bother. But with seventy seven, it only needs what sort of forty odd votes to be turned from one pile to the other to make a difference. It's possible but I think it's probably unlikely, but it's possible that the recount will show a different result.
01:24:58
Speaker 1: So claim if the One Nation in candidate wins. My reading of it is that she will win thanks in no small part to preferences from the Liberal Party, who are now the ones who are upset at the result and want the recount. That's correct, isn't it.
01:25:18
Speaker 2: No, not in the seat of Narunga. The One Nation will be winning the seat on the basis of Liberal pressure, of.
01:25:25
Speaker 1: Course, because the Liberal hasn't been eliminated.
01:25:27
Speaker 2: No, the Liberals and one Nation of the final two candidates in this one. But in the seats when all of the other sorry just to say, when all of the other parties have been eliminated from the count, of course, their preference get allocated, and I've ended up in these two piles.
01:25:41
Speaker 1: At the end. But it is it right though, to say that in the seats where one Nation has succeeded that they have, well, at least in two seats. From my reading, they've done it because of the decision of the Liberals to give them preferences.
01:25:55
Speaker 2: It looks like that to me too, So do.
01:25:57
Speaker 1: You think that's going to force a bit of a rethink about the technick the Liberals used.
01:26:02
Speaker 2: You'd think, so I'm still scratching my head trying to work out why the Liberal Party decided to do that. Ashton Hern was speaking publicly before the election saying that we'd rather another center right party be in the party than more Labor. Well, two things to say, I suppose. One is I'm not sure One Nation would describe itself as center right. I think it's not so much center but more right. And secondly, this is a party that is overtly trying to replace the Liberal Party in our political system, and the Liberals, by giving them preferences and facilitating the election of a couple of members, have really given them oxygen. It's based in the parliament that they might not otherwise have had. So whether it's better to have two more One Nation candidate sitting behind you, as it were, on the opposition benches, or to be facing just another two Labor members in the big crowd of Labor members that wore being elected is debatable. But I'm struggling to understand why the Liberals took that decision. It will be interesting to see what happens in Farah when that by election comes up, and particularly the Victorian election later this year.
01:27:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're given they almost use the Liberals, but one more seat and we'll be having an argument now about who should be the proper opposition actly, and it will probably be one nation because of their primary vote.
01:27:21
Speaker 2: Well, that would be certainly an argument. It's not a definitive argument, but that would be a consideration certainly, and a pretty powerful argument, I think too.
01:27:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bay clem, while we're talking about counting oddities, the seat of Phinis Loud Nicholson has won despite coming Forth on first preferences.
01:27:42
Speaker 1: Have you yes?
01:27:43
Speaker 5: Can you recall anything similar that happening in South Australian politics in your time?
01:27:47
Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 2: As soon as I saw that result, I was scratching their head, talking to colleagues saying, can anyone remember someone coming from Forth to win it? And no, of course, while we've had politics in South Australia dominated by two parties for years and years and years, the LCL followed by the Liberal Party as that's changed its name and structures a bit in the late sixties on the one side and Labor on the other. Then you know, those parties used to win seventy eighty percent or more of the primary vote, so there was never any prospect of somebody further down the count picking up enough preference to win the seat. To win from fourth, you really need four candidates to be almost equal on about just over twenty and then to pick up the preferences of the very minor parties that are eliminated before that. And I've gone to lou Nicholson who stayed just in front of Labor at that point. So it is very unusual. It reflects the fact that our politics is no longer or certainly at that last election, no longer dominated by two parties, but there's a multiple group of parties and strong independents that can now win seats.
01:29:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, as Peter melan Essex said when we spoke to them the day after the election, there's no such thing as a safe seat anymore. Great analysis as always, Clem Professor Clem McIntyre from the Adelaide University, speaking of the.
01:29:20
Speaker 5: Prebby, I think his seat was the first time that the Greens have finished in the top two two CANi they preferred in South Australian history. Despite all the consideration about Hysen and the Hills being a potential Green pick up. It's actually now Peter Mallas is that far ahead and crowdon. It doesn't matter, it's entirely academic. But they actually finished in second spot in his seat, first time they've done that.
01:29:40
Speaker 1: Anyway.
01:29:41
Speaker 5: Twenty minutes after eight, we're gonna check traffic and come back very very shortly talking about good Friday. Congratulations to Margaret from Balaklasa. Margaret, you've got the Carroll It's smart watch. Come of your way. Peace of mind be you and the family. Congratulations do you pick.
01:29:58
Speaker 1: The Carol.
01:30:02
Speaker 4: Five double a breakfast. David Penberthy and Will Goodings.
01:30:07
Speaker 5: Twenty three after eight tomorrow morning, we're gonna be broadcasting live from the Central Markets ahead of the Easter Long weekend, and we're going to be celebrating the best in local essays seafood while we're there. This is going to be fun because Ned mc henry is going to be with us at the market really and he's going to be with giving us his top seafood tips and specials from around the markets and around there, chatting with some of the traders and talking about the fish is caught and how to prepare it need over the weekend. Yeah, unfortunately, you sit there at the desk.
01:30:37
Speaker 1: Well needs out. Go to Seafood Guys, fine food and drinking coffee.
01:30:40
Speaker 5: All thanks to brand Essay, support local and buy the best by say Seafood. We've brought in the big guns for our annel Good Friday debate.
01:30:48
Speaker 1: As you said earlier, I've stacked the deck. I'm not sure if the Archbishop of Adelaide, Patrick o'reagan is a five double a guy or not, but if he's not, he missed out on the most spirited theological Barnie Adelaide Radio yesterday, where Will and I went head to head about the appropriateness of playing football games on Good Friday. Your grace, good morning, and thank you so much for joining us on five very much is Good Friday? Does it feel to you like the battle has been lost over the widely held view among Christians that there should at least be one day of the year Good Friday, the most sacred day on the Christian calendar, where we're all compelled to engage in a little bit of thought and contemplation.
01:31:37
Speaker 7: I think it's important to look at the context a little bit because so for example, I've lived in France for a couple of years and Good Friday is just an ordinary day there, and then people sort of have religious observances in the afternoon. If you go to Italy, for example, it's a it's not a public holiday there either, but they do have an extraordinary procession around the 's see them. And I think for us, it's not just Good Friday. We call it Holy Week, so it actually starts tomorrow on Thursday and goes right through to Sunday. So it's a period where we are invited into a deeper place. And I guess, given this sort of power state of our world, it's a place where we actually go and reflect a little bit on what's important. And I guess my experience is that sometimes we run away from that, but things like Good Friday and Easter give us the opportunity to actually come to a different place, ask the questions about what kind of our society we want and what does it actually cost us if we sort of are distracted but just focus on one thing rather than two things. And I think that's what the European experience is. We can do both end we can focus on what's important also fill that out in other ways.
01:33:03
Speaker 1: So at the risk of helping my friend will win the argument. Are you saying he's sitting in gigling while I'm asking this, Are you saying your grace that it is possible to enjoy a football match as well as engage in some sort of contemplative, thoughtful process, provided you're actually willing to make that part of your day too.
01:33:28
Speaker 7: Well, I think my preference would be to sort of keep the whole day free, but I know that's not everyone's preference. But I think we still need to have in our lives some depth, some stillness, And you know, we talk about death on Good Friday, so it's a bit of an encounter with our mortality and meaning, but we don't stay there. We actually go to a deeper place and that that's where our hope is. But I think we can do both in one way, if that's what people to do. But I think if we just do one, then there's something missing and we've lost something. So I'm just inviting people into to consider maybe what's lost when no days held sacred and what might be found if one day we're allowed to ask what's more deeper in our lives rather than simply entertainment or a thing, which is a good thing because it actually sort of does lift up our hearts. But let's remember the reason why.
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Speaker 1: Because I was sort of coming from a secular perspective and think back to the nineteen seventies where everything was shut when I was a kid growing up, and well, I go to church in the Methodist tradition, went to Sunday School for a while there. Not that I've sort of stayed on the true path as an adult, but it just feels to me, now, that's right, they give up, But it feels to me like there's just this sort of constant need for stimulation. We need to have the shops open all the time now, and the act of contemplating anything seems to have been sort of crowded out by so much other stuff.
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Speaker 7: I think, well, that's my experience too, But speaking personally, I actually need that sort of grounding, that time that away, because it actually deepens them. Whatever else you do, it becomes a richer experience rather than more wider. It becomes a deeper experience.
01:35:24
Speaker 5: Do you think this is desire these days? Your grace to frame some of these discussions as though, if not mutually exclusive, at very least secularism amounts to a sort of encroachment on one's capacity to engage in their religion as they might like can is your Is it your observation that allowing people to follow whatever faith they follow, or live the life as they do at some point in time actually inhibits other's ability to engage in their faith the way they would like too.
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Speaker 7: I don't experience that myself, because actually faith it's all about a relationship, and you know, it's a bit like falling in love. If you if you have that experience, then then that's a connection and you feel a real bridge to life rather than sort of filling a gap. And I don't know that that means that someone else is impacted by that, but they're actually empowered by that because it calls him to a deeper place in whichever in whichever way they are drawn.
01:36:34
Speaker 1: Well, we really do appreciate you coming on your grace. It's been an interesting conversation and it's not something that actually ever gets really discussed on something as sort of you know earth He has talked about radio, but we found it very interesting yesterday when Will and I were going to hammer and tongs at it, because we had like literally dozens and dozens of texts about this issue and the good things to think about. So you have a good Easter, and thank you. We appreciate you coming on.
01:37:05
Speaker 7: Thank you, and I wish everyone a very blessed and happy Easter. And maybe we all find that little space because I think our world needs it at the moment.
01:37:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, will, said the Archbishop Patrick O. Regan, our guest on five to ble a Breakfast's claiming that there's a win. Ah No, no, because I'm my perspective, this is not one of sort of passionate debate. It's it's more bewilderment. I don't I just I don't understand how personally worrying about what everyone else is doing effects what you want to do on a certain day. That doesn't.
01:37:45
Speaker 1: That's a fair point.
01:37:46
Speaker 5: That's what that's that that goes. That's the crux of my thesis on this is, Yeah, do as you.
01:37:52
Speaker 1: Please, a libertarian pology.
01:37:54
Speaker 5: That's that's be libertarian phology. Does that work? I guess it sort of does, sort of does.
01:38:04
Speaker 4: Deep in Penberthy and Will Goodings five Double a Breakfast.
01:38:16
Speaker 1: Twenty Bits to Night.
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Speaker 5: If you watch you Along on the Facebook or YouTube live stream, you'll see we joined in the studio as we are each every couple of weeks Here on a Wednesday morning by the Treasurer of South Australia, Tom Kitzintana's treasure a good morning to you.
01:38:29
Speaker 6: How are you, David?
01:38:31
Speaker 1: Welcome back Treasurer both to the studio and to government. Big win for the Labor Party, we're saying and breaking it out. It's still unclear what's going to happen in Narranga, but other than that, it's a thumping majority.
01:38:45
Speaker 6: I've never seen anything like it.
01:38:47
Speaker 1: How do you how do you, because you are the chief tactician and frankly head kicker at times for the government, how do you approach question time? Now? How is that going to work? Are you going to give given five probably going to be five Liberal for one nation and then four independents? Will they share questions?
01:39:06
Speaker 6: They don't have to?
01:39:08
Speaker 1: Who decides that.
01:39:13
Speaker 6: It's very hard for us, because we're the government to tell the opposition how many questions they get, because the opposition should be unfettered in its ability to scrutinize the government. However, they are the largest group, but still a minority of the non labor MPs. So if you look at it, there's what there's thirteen cross benches, five of which are Liberal, so that means the Liberal Party are not the majority of the opposition. So the question then becomes, well, how many questions does do they get? I mean, you would obviously defer to the leader of the opposition, whoever that is, and make sure they get the first couple of questions. But one Nation got more votes. Mean the Liberal Party came fourth in seventeen seats in South Australia. I mean Corey Bernardi in one nation would have the moral authority to say, well, hang on a second, we're clearly number two. We deserve to ask more questions. Our system of our system of government does not allow for there'll be two oppositions. But we're facing this dilemma now where the largest second party is not the Liberal Party. They might have the seats, but they don't have the votes. And so who do we like? Who's the opposition? Well we'll go on the numbers. Okay, they're the largest non labor group, so they're the opposition. But what are the other four independents think about that? I mean, I think One Nation came second in the majority of the seats of the independence as well, So this is need to be very very difficult for us, and we can't choose because it would be inappropriate for us to choose. We can't decide who the opposition is because we're the government. I mean, the opposition should be self selecting and the public josey opposition, not ours. So it can be very very hard, very hard for us. Walk We're going to tread very carefully here as not to dampen the ability to be scrutinized in our system.
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Speaker 5: This seems to be disagreement amongst state governments about how to carve up the GST windfall that's come about as a rise of the dramatic price in the increase in petrol prizes. What's your view and the view of the South Australian government and how that should be managed.
01:41:30
Speaker 6: Cabinet will be considering all of this. Obviously they are a cost of living pressures. Obviously the sovereign capability. South Australia is the largest onshore producer of oil in the country. I have argued for a long time that petrochemicals still play an inthegral part of our economy and perhaps we can put some of that money towards finding more of them.
01:41:53
Speaker 5: How would that work, like state sponsored exploration or just providing we do that?
01:41:57
Speaker 6: Now we do that now we have our pace grants help people go out and find gas. South Australia has wet gas. Where we fracture, stimulate and get gas and oil. There could be an opportunity for us to even potentially refine one day. Again we have the base products. But the question is, you know, are you prepared to pay the extra for the refined oil in Australia as opposed to importing it now? Traditionally importing it is cheaper. Right now, it's more expensive because what's going on in the Straits or whole moves. But if all things being equal, Australian process petual is more expensive than imported petrol. The question is are we prepared to pay for that sovereign capability? Right?
01:42:38
Speaker 1: So so that industry would need to be subsidized by the taxpayer.
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Speaker 6: Or or by the consumer, right all right, So that would mean you know, it's like all things right, if you want sovereign capability, are you prepared to pay more.
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Speaker 5: To that end? There's another lever that's quite gaining popularity now as people consider how we mighty sovereign energy capacity in Australia. One is, you know, short term, how you spend that GST win fall, whether it gets distributed as a cost of living relief or as you're talking about, potentially invested in a way of maybe funding exploration and so forth. The other is the gas component of the question. When now bombing of Katari gas facilities and so forth have led to the gas price going up as well, So there's a windfall that private entities in Australia and Santos here and South Australia are receiving as a result of that. So some people have said maybe a short term tax on that wind fall.
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Speaker 6: I think the tax system is able to take the advantage of windfall gains. The question for US is our gas exports now are being used here politically to make sure we maintain our fuel.
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Speaker 5: Supplies as a trading austrading gip.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean, you know, people who want Australian gas we better get we better get fuel as well. So you know, for all those people who've been bemoaning Australia's gas exports, they are tactically now very very important, as is our food commodities, as is our or other trade aspects as well. So you know, we've got to pull every liver, every lever we have right now.
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Speaker 1: Treasure of the quote overnight from Donald Trump, go get your own oil. Drill, Baby drill was another Trump quote from after his second second term victory. Should we think about taking that even more literally and maybe revisiting the prospect of looking for oil in the bite? There is oil in the bite, I have no doubt about that. I think, well, there has been all on the bait. Whether it's still there or not, it's the question, but there's certainly gas.
01:44:38
Speaker 6: In the bat.
01:44:39
Speaker 1: Is worth having a look? Well we did.
01:44:40
Speaker 6: We supported the exploration. The company's pulled out.
01:44:44
Speaker 5: This was a social license component of that though, wasn't there. They were going to have a big fight on their hands, and they went is it worth fighting it?
01:44:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I think so. But they also they also I think, hid behind that on the basis of cost. Now the question is has that cost curve changed right? And that's a matter for the Comonworth governments in their waters. But I have no problem with mining in the Bat because I mean, it's it's an asset we have. We have it in Bastraate, we have it off the Northwest Shelf. Why wouldn't we mine? We can mind safely. But the question is whether it's economic. I don't think it probably is economic. It's very deep water.
01:45:18
Speaker 1: But there's a lesson from what's happening in the world right now that Australia should maybe demolish some of the sacred cows. And I'm throwing nuclear power. I mean, I know that there's an economic argument against it, but should we be Do you think we should be looking at whether that's an option.
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Speaker 6: I am agnostic to all energy sources, right I want the most cost effective. If it's nuclear, great, yeah, If it's gas, fantastic. If it's renewable, it's fine. I'm not gonna I don't have an ideological opposition to any of them. Well, my view is that we should choose the cheapest possible form of energy, and that means today is renewables. Now, renewals back by gas is the way to go. I think we should be exploring for more gas. Said that, I've been consistent on that. Our opponents have blocked exploration of gas and parts of South Australia and our second large and largest basin. There are gas fields in the north of our country. There are gas fields on the east coast that could be explored, like Narrobright could be unlocked. We should be doing all of that and being self sufficient.
01:46:24
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we be.
01:46:27
Speaker 5: I want ask you about one of the other pressures that comes about as a result of the war in Iran inflation. And I got thinking about this listening to someone talking about sort of inflation proof investments yesterday and they're talking about private infrastructure. Don't laugh at me, Treasurer. They were talking about private infrastructure developments because in infrastructure contracts there are inflation escalators, a risin for us. So I was thinking about that the context of South Australia. You've told us in the past that our budget position looks worse than it might otherwise be because of massive infrastructure investment at the moment, South Road, the women's children, but on and so forth. Does that then, therefore mean we are acutely exposed to inflation of four or five percent class that's being forecast here in essay the tax payer, because built into those contracts is an increase in prices.
01:47:13
Speaker 6: Look, there is rise and fall in our contracts, and we are exposed to increase prices, especially in bitchmen or petrol, chemicals, concrete, you know, steel, everything in a north south corridor. And they say, if you've got a fifteen billion dollar project and you have a two percent blowout, that's considerable. So yes, we are exposed. Now is it inflationary, Well, you would argue on the face of it, yes it is. But at the same time you've got destructive demand going on as well. Right, so people are spending less. There are not the cues that I thought there would be at petro stations you are seeing you are seeing people spending less to try and conserve so as opposed to interest rates which push up people's costs on mortgages. This here attacks a lot of discretionary spending away from other things emitted towards fuel, which is inflationary, but it also dampens demand across the economy. So I'll be fascinated to see what happens. And I think that's why we had a split vote with the Reserve Bank. What was it about the Reserve Bank board that said, you know, just over one vote wanted to increase rates while the rest of the board probably assumed to be a bit of destructive demand. Here going on with the petrol prices having the same effect as increasing interest rates. Perhaps perhaps it won't be as inflation but you know, on the face of it, yes it's inflationary. But let's wait and see.
01:48:37
Speaker 1: Tom Kitchantana's treasurer. Thanks for coming in. We'll catch up against so thank you.
01:48:42
Speaker 4: Five double a breakfast, David Penworthy and Will Goodings.
01:48:52
Speaker 1: Six minutes to nine ads.
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Speaker 5: Maybe March might have ended, but the madness is and over as we know this. The Festival's the wonderful things keep on keeping on in the Cabaret Festival, with the next big one upon us in June of this year, and the twenty twenty six program has been revealed. The artistic director of the cabreat Festival, the wonderful Ruben k joins us in the five to blay Brick with Studio Ruben, Good morning to you.
01:49:19
Speaker 20: What the hell are you doing making me get up this early.
01:49:23
Speaker 1: Cabaret performer.
01:49:25
Speaker 20: I went to bed at five am once the rugby team left, and now you've.
01:49:28
Speaker 1: Dragged me in here.
01:49:30
Speaker 5: This is suffering for your art.
01:49:31
Speaker 20: This is uninvoiced labor.
01:49:34
Speaker 1: It is this is a late part of our show. We consider this thing.
01:49:37
Speaker 5: We're almost off to bed.
01:49:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always go to the pub after this has been up.
01:49:40
Speaker 20: So likely enough about the invitations about what we're doing after bed, let's not it online.
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Speaker 1: So Ruby walkers through the program because we're going to say so many of our listeners love the Cabareat Festival, and as well said, you know the idea that everything comes to an end in mad March. For you, it's just sort of warming up, isn't it.
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Speaker 20: I know, no no for the wicked, and I am incredibly wicked and don't believe in rest. I love the Cabaret Festival, and more importantly, I think Adelaide loves the Cabaret Festival. Every year people throwing into the festival center, escape the cold, come into the warmth. The whole festival gets transformed into this sort of subterranean den where you can come in see a show and still be there at one am, drinking of some cart and birds, drinking some wine and singing show tunes in the foyer. As my first year as artistic director, and I wanted to take this festival and make it a bit sexier, make it a bit more urgent. And I've delivered so many great big names that we know and love and a couple of sneaky little new ones that people get to discover from all over the country, from the US, from the UK. So, first off, I've got the entire cast of Jesus Christ, superstar who never came to Adelaide, coming over, performing the hits of the show in the Festival Theater, but also telling us all of the gossip side stage, backst what it's like being on tour, how many times I got in trouble with the company manager. Apparently you're not allowed to hide a fart machine underneath the apostles during the crucer fiction. Right next, we've got real big names here. We've got people like em Rasciano. We've got Casey Donovan doing her Amy Weinhouse tribute. Alfie bou west End staff from the UK is coming over along with Amy Manford from Phantom of the Opera. So for people who are fans of music, fans of musical theater, this is a great festival for you.
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Speaker 5: As as your debut was the artistic director, did you take a philosophy, a guiding sort of philosophy in terms of what kind of program you wanted to put together or it is this just a collection of cool stuff. That's the you've seene.
01:51:45
Speaker 20: So the festival's theme this year is.
01:51:48
Speaker 1: Delicious revolution, right.
01:51:50
Speaker 20: Because I wanted something that said what is my vibe of cabare?
01:51:53
Speaker 1: What can I bring to this?
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Speaker 20: And there's something about cabaret being the art from the pushes back. It's always there in times of social upheaval. It was there in the nineteen thirties in Germany, it was there three hundred years ago in the Hogarth wealth disparity years of British music hall. And the delicious part think about the seductiveness, the licentiousness, but also Adelaide's really rich history of food and wine. We've revamped the festival center. There's a new restaurant there called Angry Penguin, based on the art movement, and the food is to die for. I can't swear on this radio station at this time, but know that I want to. And alongside all of that, we've also got a huge amount of free stuff in this festival because, as we know, the cost of living means it might actually be cheaper to die. So the whole festival in Festival Center is being transformed into an exhibition called Rags to Riches, where you get to come and see props and costumes from cabaret performers from around the world, including Rhonda Birch Moore, Reg liver More, some real international greats of Australia as well as performance from London. Performance from America are donating their costumes and props. We've got free talks happening, and then we've also got the Trevor Jones in the quartet bar who's singing show tunes at the pet every night at the Festival.
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Speaker 1: My fondest memory from way back in the day of things like when Barrykowski had the Festival and then there was Red Square afterwards, and I can remember there was a supper club years ago down at the Festival Center and the hanging around afterwards was as much a part of it as seeing the show.
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Speaker 20: So the community of it, Yeah, that's right. Go with your mates or look if you don't have any mates, and I can understand that because people are awful. You can come on your own, grab a drink and trust me, by the end you will leave with someone.
01:53:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, possibly going to be an exciting lineup. Rubn And we thank you for coming in and congratulations on your first your first Adelaide Cabaret Festival. Were hoping that there's many more.
01:53:55
Speaker 20: Thank you so much, it is exhausting being this talented.
01:54:00
Speaker 5: Day on debout as the artistic director of the Adelaide Cabaret Festival. Hey, that's just about all from us this morning. Make sure you're listening to Afternoons with Stacey Lee. She's got the Police Commissioner in for an hour of power at three pm today, answering all your questions and providing update on how the petrol crisis is impacting police.
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Speaker 1: So stay tuned. Stacey Savo Crush