A Cosmic Trifecta - James Iandoli - Exoacademian - Nathan!

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Good old name.
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Can I yet.
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Man?
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Welcome back to calling all Bees everybody. We're playing no
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games with you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's my brother right there, Money Nathan the co creator.
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Calling all Bees.
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The other guest Darren XO Academian. Right below me and
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over his left shoulder the legend James.
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I'm doy, and right below him is the Legend of
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Cassie Chris.
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Next to Nathan Kevin Flarious.
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Maximus, and below him is the Debs, a study of UAPs.
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Welcome everybody, waiting for somebody to get DDT.
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Yeah, I feel like I have to jump into a ring.
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Can someone tag me? Sure?
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All we need is a smoke machine.
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What'd you think of that? You two cut?
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Darren?
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Did you like that?
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That's nice? Yeah?
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I recognize Bono doing the lean back right away.
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Nice zot.
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I think I said this on Twitter.
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I think Zoo TV could be one of the best
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single band rock and roll tours of all time because
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it was so massive and so grand, and the screens
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and they were calling the White House from the stage.
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It was just wild.
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Man.
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It's a great, great tour, so awesome. Welcome everybody. Yeah,
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so happy to have you guys. Thanks for having us. Yeah, man,
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so much has happened, and Nathan, did you want.
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To be in the guest role, but also bring up
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topics like what.
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Do you whatever you want me to do? I'm at
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your disposal.
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Well, after you've just come back from Ireland, you get
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to do whatever you want, Nathan.
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I'm so Darren. Let's start off with you, sir.
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So much has happened, even since the last time that
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we got together, even with congressmen like Anna Paulina Luna
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talking about different dimensions and Nhi, is there anything that's
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really really strikes you about how far we've come? That
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another way of saying that might be could can you
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envision that we be in this place?
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Are you asking me?
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Yes, sir?
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Okay, Yes, it is pretty remarkable for sure. I think
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sometimes because we've been in this for so long and
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we're immersed in it, that you can kind of lose
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the perspective. But sometimes I step back and I imagine
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what it's like for, you know, one of our friends
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or family members or a colleague who suddenly hears not
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just ET's being talked about, but interdimensionals and with a
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straight face. On top of that, and in numerous interviews, right,
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and the fact that we've had, you know, back to
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back events in Washington, d C. Now being covered by
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some mainstream media like NBC News was there and whatnot.
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I think it's pretty remarkable and it makes me start
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feeling that this is somehow tied in with some of
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the channeling predictions about this, some of the senses that
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are coming up in the future. Maybe even around twenty
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twenty seven, you start getting the eerie feeling like things
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are coming together in a way that feels very synchronistic.
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And being that lou Alzanda was building some sort of
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a bomb shelter, a apocalypse proof shelter, are you doing
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the same thing by the cabin in North Carolina.
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I'm a thousand feet underground right now, just she gots
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it's kind of it.
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In a limestone mine.
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But I feel pretty safe and not planning that.
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I don't want to make fun of it, because who
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knows what al Zando knows. But maybe James, could you
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tackle that question, like when I met you in twenty
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twenty one and like, hey, man, I'm like from your hometown,
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man like to get together and talk.
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Could you imagine we would be in this place?
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No, but you know, it's almost like a joke that
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it's like this. No, it was like an open secret before,
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but now it's just ridiculous at this level that it's
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it's so constant in the media, right, it's uh. I
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I feel like it's like, I don't know what else,
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what else it really takes for them other than than
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you know, again the proverbial rolling out the bodies kind
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of thing. Other than again, half the population is not
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gonna believe it anyways at that point. But it's funny
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that we're at the stage that before the government, you know,
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proper comes out and discloses that Neil Dacross Tyson is
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writing a UFO book. Right, I don't know what would
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get more ridiculous than that. I'm waiting for Bill nine.
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Now, I know exactly these guys are. There's no such thing.
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There's nothing to this, yeah, uh, Nathan, Yeah.
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I mean if you took some clips of what we
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just heard and went back in time a few years
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and just shared them with us, we would be completely shocked,
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I think. And you know, James, I know you've been
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in the community a really a long time. You've had
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a little bit longer view of kind of how hard
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it has been to get to this place. But I
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echo what you're saying. It it is so common to
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be discussed right now in the media. I think the
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public at large is, I don't know, sort of nonchalant
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about it now. It's just sort of it's just another topic.
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I don't know necessarily how much that has truly seeped
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into the public consciousness, but it's certainly not something that
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people feel timid talking about. I bet everybody has an
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opinion on the topic one way or the other. And
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those people who I think were dismissive of it you
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mentioned Neil deGrasse Tyson just a few years ago, are
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probably a little less dismissive dismissive of it now, and
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I think that is only going to continue to change.
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So it to me, it's just a matter of degrees.
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We're continuing to shift things into that sort of transparency
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or greater transparency, I should say, but but really only
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in certain narrow bands of what the conversation I think
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allows right now. So we we just heard at the
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at the Disclosure Forum, you know, Kurt McConnell talk about abductions,
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and you know Matthew Brown talking about Whitley Streeber and
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the work that he's done kind of sitting the stage
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for that. So I do think that's a huge shoe
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to drop still, and obviously films Light Disclosure Day do
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a good job of continuing to prime the public for
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this idea that there has been this very intimate connection
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to humanity over over a very long time, and perhaps
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we need to prepare ourselves for that reality. So it's
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it's fascinating to watch, and it's also kind of weird.
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You know, those of us who are on this panel
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right now, we've been doing some of this, you know,
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youtubing in the space for years now, and it's interesting
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to be a part of that movement. So, you know,
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we'll just I'm still here, got the popcorn, so can't
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wait to see what's gonna happen. And uh, you know,
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you never know, You just never know. But we're closer
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than we ever have been.
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I think is it the like the popcorn with the
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Himalayan pink salt?
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Yeah, there you go.
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I mean, I think I'm pretty sure that we spoke
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in terms of that we didn't know that this day
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would happen while we were live. I'm pretty sure we
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said things like that in our lifetime.
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But I won't be.
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Laboring my point anymore because we got Kevin to get
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to So keV, why don't you go?
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And then Debs, then Akashi, Kris.
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Ah, Hey, guys, how's it going? So I can't be
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here as long as the whole show is going to
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take today, So I'm actually gonna have a I've got
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a question for all three of you.
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Is that is that cool?
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Are you you down for?
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That is cool? That is cool?
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All right?
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We will authorize that, all right, all right? Cool?
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So this is it's not really about you know, disclosure
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and any of that, because you guys probably ready to
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where I stand on the disclosure thing.
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So all right.
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So one of my reoccurring suspicions is that the subject,
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the whole phenomenon, the UFO phenomenon, what it quietly updates
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its wardrobe every few decades to match whatever humans currently
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consider technical technologically impressive. That's what it seems to be
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because like now, everybody is trying to make the AI connection.
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I notice, you know, and it's that's what's the technologically
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oppressive thing right now? So do you My question is
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do you think the phenomenon updates itself to match cultural expectations,
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or do human expectations update the story we tell about
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the phenomenon itself.
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This is such a great question. That's great, keV.
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Yeah.
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I mean I kind of think that it's it's more
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so our our perception and expectation of it. And I
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mean into what level that the phenomenon has an interactive
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or that the level of interactivity where it's it's modifying
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based on our what we expect to see. H It's
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certainly possible, But that's a question that I always go
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back to, you know, when I contemplate, you know, Jack
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Bela's passports mogonia. Is it is it that we're saying,
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you know, we're using our modern language to try and
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describe what we can conceive and you know, contemporary terms
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at whatever given time, or is it the phenomenon adapting
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and or shape shifting even for modifying its own appearance
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based on what we're going to I always come back
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to that question myself.
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Darren, would you like to tackle that and then we'll
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go to your brother Nathan.
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Sure, Yeah, I think I will have a very nuanced
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way of answering that question, because I think there's multiple
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things happening that we need to track. Number one, Absolutely,
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we want to be wary of what Jacques Vlet and
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John Keel have talked about and things like that where
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there's a presentation later. But I would also say that,
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you know, agreeing with James, certainly, the way that we
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interpret it and the cultural lens we bring to it
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is a big part of it. Nathan and I have
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discussed before in liminal frames that I remember talking to
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someone that was interviewing me in the UK, and he's
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had experiences with grays whereas his great grandparents had experiences
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with the fae, right, But I don't think those are
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necessarily just different guys is on the same beings, but
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they might be within the sort of same frame of
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scope of beings. So I think think there's many things
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going on. This is one of thinks. One of the
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assumptions I think we have to be aware of is
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that even as we're having the public conversation right now,
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many people talk about finding out what this finally is,
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as if it's one thing, and I think it's multiple things.
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And I've talked before about how anything that doesn't fit
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within the dominant paradigm of physicalism tends to get lumped
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in together. And because we kind of have this hubrio surround,
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assuming we've got most things figured out and we just
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need the cherry on top, we don't consider the possibility
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that we've just got the barely the minimum of what
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is actually going on. We're about to be expanded into
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a much more comprehensive understanding of reality.
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But I think that's the case.
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I also want to point out too, some really fascinating
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tidbits that show up in the research.
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For instance, I've been.
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Associated with the archives of the Impossible data and looking
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back at even the drawings and the illustrations that people
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have drawn over time. So one of my good friends
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there is doing her PhD and she's actually analyzing the
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artwork associated.
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With the phenomenon.
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And even though different people have different skill sets in
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terms of what they draw, some are better artists than others. Nevertheless,
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you would be hard pressed to find a single image
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that looks like the same UFO out of all of
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those images. At the same time, we know there's some
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things like black triangles that show up all the time.
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There's tic TACs that have been noticed in multiple places.
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So this is why I'm saying we might have multiple
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things going on.
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I think we do.
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So some of these vehicles might be part of a
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technological enterprise, and those might be the ones we see repeating,
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and a completely separate enterprise it just gets lumped in together,
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might be much more culturally adaptive. And the last thing
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I'll bring in too is it's really interesting because even
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when you look at certain cases where it's clear that
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people have had interactions with the beings and a certain
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frame of the intelligence over decades, over lifetime, they will
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reflect back on something that happened thirty years ago and
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it will actually be the same technology that they're interacting
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with thirty years in their future, which is different than
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our surroundings. We look back at thirty years ago and
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we can definitely notice a difference in the tech. So
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this suggests either that there's a presentation layer to the
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tech or that they are time traveling relative to us,
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and that's why we see some of the same technology.
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it culturally shifts to match our expectations. Yes, there's a
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reflexive aspect to who we are and the way that
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cultures interact. And I think also one last piece I
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want to bring in that I think is hardly ever
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talked about, but this is one of my theories that
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I'm developing, is that whenever something that is coming from
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outside of space time altogether has to render within space time,
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it has to manifest as something, and what it manifests
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as will be a combination between what's possible and what's
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basically available in the comprehensive collective consciousness of humankind, and
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that will vary from culture to culture as well. And
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I think that's one of the reasons why we need
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to pay close attention to some of the data and
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the differences between what is spotted in South America versus
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what's spot in Europe or Asia or North am America,
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because that might not just be that different beings were
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populating different areas, but different cultural expectations are coloring it
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differently as well.
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That's really interesting in the nature of Kevin's question was interesting,
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and I'm just going to extract this and pose it
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to Nathan, but I also encourage you to answer the
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totality of his question, which is, Nathan, do you suppose
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what other intelligences might.
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Know about us? Which also gets to the last part
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of Darren's answer, which is are they culturally aware and
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sensitive to all these different countries Japan where James just
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was and the African continent in South America? Have you
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ever sort of hypothesized and thought about what they know
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what they know about us? Do you think that they've
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studied us and understand us.
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I did share some similarity with Darren's view. You know,
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one of the things I think we suffer from a
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little bit here is is sort of a very narrow
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perspective that we tend to take. And it's understandable, right,
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I mean, you know, as you get older, everyone on
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this panel, you know, we've lived a few decades at
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this point, but you realize how quickly a lifespan goes by,
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and you realize that, you know that the time between
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when you arrive on the scene and your grandparents are there,
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and that your ability to pass knowledge from a living
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generational member to you is it's really not a very
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long span of time. And so I think we have
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as a result of that, we tend to think very
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narrowly about experience itself. And we also in the West
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have a very individualized view of reality. It's it's it's
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very it's highly individualized, very subjective. It's not very long,
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it's not very wide. And so the reason I'm talking
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about that is that there are I think certainly aspects
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of the phenomena that are interacting with humanity at large
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in ways that we are really ill equipped to even perceive.
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I think that we get really fixated on so and
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so's abduction account and experience and so and so's you know,
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sighting or whatever it is, and they describe the craft
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like this, and so we then start coming up with
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our kind of pet theory on it that really is
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tailored to those anecdotes, and it's hard for us, it
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maybe impossible for us to take a much broader view
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of what's happening through the span of human history and
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our history just on the Earth in general, and ask
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ourselves what may be happening, what interactions are taking place
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in this entire span of time and space. I do
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think that we are absolutely intertwined. I think that consciousness
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is a fundamental property of reality, that the way in
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which the phenomena appears to us is impacted by our
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own perception and vice versa. I think that not only
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are we influencing the phenomenon, but it is influencing us.
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There is a interplay between these elements, and we tend
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to think of it in the opposite, a very binary.
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You know, it's doing something to us, but I do
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think that we in turn do something to it. That
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we are in this closed system together, this system called reality,
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and that we influence each other, that we and as
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a result of that that co influence, we're going to
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see emerging things that occur in the interaction space that
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that that bring in elements from our culturally based views
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and heritage and history and so forth, as well as
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their uh situations whereas their their their vantage point in reality,
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and it's going to influence us. So it's it's much
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more complicated than I think, uh, you know, we might
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want it to be. And I think it's always going
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to be weirder than we than our than our best theories.
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I just think it's it's gonna It's not that it's
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just permanently evasive and elusive. It's just that it's really
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really complicated and for us to try to flatten it down.
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That's understandable. But it's going to be difficult for us
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to really get a fulsome pick sure.
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Here, no question.
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you and Darren both mentioned this just a little bit
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of it. But it seems, you know, James like it.
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It seems that if if they've wanted to have certain
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types of interactions with humans that ended up in sort
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of maybe taking some sort of biological material, be that
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male or female, it would seem that they have to
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have some understanding of our culture to want that. They
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must have something that they've said, well, this would be interesting.
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So at least some of the intelligences, it would seem
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have an idea about that.
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Yeah, I mean kind of to what Aaron was saying.
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You know, which which of the intelligences is interacting in
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that way where there's a variety, where some are probably
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even less physical than we would consider like a by
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logical entity, and and then you know what each what
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is the relationship between Austin and each of these intelligences?
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Yeas, like who do you want to have dinner with?
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The man kids, the Nordics, the Reptilians, or the Grays like,
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So I mean this could be we'll save that for
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later because I don't want to. You know, we got
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other cabbes to get in here. So let's go Debs,
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and then we'll go with the great host of mine
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Fork known as Thekashi Chris, who you'll see most of
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us on her show tomorrow.
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Please go ahead, Debs.
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I'm te praise by the way.
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Yeah, let's go to dinner. Come on, Darren, you gotta
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get it. We gotta smile at you, buddy.
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All right, guys, So I actually ended up flipped my questions.
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The other question will be very important duty to get
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to it. But yes, ma'am, sound might in frequency the
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podcast with Price Table and Brands I don't know whose
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last name, sorry, They have recently relocated the formula that
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was provided to him to them when they first put
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out their show back in the nineties. That's allegedly going
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to explain the whole phenomenon. I was wondering what you
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guys think about this formula, which apparently had Brent having
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some experiences while he studied it. Do you think that
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such a thing would even be able to explain the phenomenon?
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Do you think sound like frequency is an accurate description?
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You know, what do you.
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Think, who do you want to start with? Dabs who
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you want to throw to first?
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Let's just go Darren.
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Okay, okay, Can someone fill me in on what they
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are postulating?
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Is this formula.
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The allegedly Enable insider somebody from naval intelligence approached Zabel
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and Brent when they were creating Dark Skies at the
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premiere party, and again we can kind of assume based
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on their testimony, this guy is somebody from a legacy
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program and that he was saying, you get some things
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wrong and you get some things right. And he was
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trying to say, oh, you know, to understand all this,
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this is what you need to know lights on frequency
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and that's kind of the it's gonna answer kind of
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everything about the phenomenon and maybe even reality. And he
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wrote down on a piece of paper this There were
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symbols and it looked like almost like a mathematic equation.
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So they had lost it for a number of years.
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And this is again in nineteen ninety six, I believe,
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when Dark Skys was going to premiere, and they recently
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relocated it with like in the last few months, it
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sounded like and they're having it, They've had it analyzed
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and they're going to a full episode explaining what is
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this formon? What does it mean? You know, does this
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formula actually have relevance to the phenomenon or you know,
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it's just no excuse my French. So it was this
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guy taking a piss, you know, basically.
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And the reason that I think this is actually important
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is because I also feel that sound, like in frequency,
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the electromagnetic spectrum is a very important part of the phenomenon.
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So what do you think, right, So I would say
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all three of those are really important too. You know,
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we can take various ways of addressing this question. I
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have also come across and I think I had a
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conversation with Bryce at some point about this, around the
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time that I was doing a three part episode series
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on the time travel aspect, and he talked about, you know,
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shows that he worked on before based on that, and
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at the time I had a couple of different people.
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I remember talking to Mike Masters about this too, because
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he went through the same thing where people from both
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US intelligence and British intelligence were contacting us, supposedly from
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both of those intelligence arms and saying, this part absolutely right,
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this part's a bit different, and that's been interesting, and
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I at various points have had people reach out and say,
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you know, this part's accurate, this is a bit different. Again,
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I think that, you know, this sort of goes a
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bit to Nathan's point, what we make sense of partly
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determines by what we can capture right in our awareness,
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even in our imagination. But I would say as a general
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you know, as a general way of addressing this, I
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would say that fundamentally, my perspective is and I think
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this is supported not just by what we see in
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the data from the phenomenon, but we see in neuroscience,
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what we see in astronomy, what we see in physics,
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that physicality is just an epiphenomenon of a deeper structure,
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which is meaning based and energetic and energetics. Right, sound
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light and frequency that kind of is downstream of this
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energetic kind of source.
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So in that sense, I think.
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It's very true that those deeper, deeper structure that that
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generates energy and energetics ends up manifesting in space time
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as sound, light and frequency. And that's why some of
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these beings can change forms, speaking of whether some of
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them eat or not, you know, to James's point, you know,
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in terms of you're going to have dinner with you
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didn't mention the light beings you.
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I think that probably be my choice.
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What are they going to have?
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Right?
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What? Right?
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But you know, but even there, I think that they
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take the form of light because it has to manifest
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as something we can interact with, right, So even there,
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I think that what you're getting as a combination of
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what it is and how our perceptual set can manifest
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what it is.
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And this what of goes to Donald Hoffman's point about
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we basically perceive reality experience reality through an interface, right,
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so it has to land within the scope of that
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interface basically. But as a general rule or general principle,
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I would say absolutely that we notice this happening, and
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it also can demonstrate in terms of high strangeness.
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I just did a two.
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Part series on the Betty Andreas in case, and that
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one's really fascinating because right alongside the phenomenon and physical
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things like implants and being taken on board craft and whatnot,
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you have all these paranormal kind of effects afterwards. Right,
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And this goes right back to Kenneth Arnold in the
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very beginning. So how this aspect of the phenomenon that
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comes outside of space time, it comes into space time
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and somehow manifests in ways that the construct can't fully embody,
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and when it can't embody through its usual means, ends
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up causing kind of distortions that I think show up
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is high strangeness, and that also will register in sound, light,
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and frequency.
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Right.
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We'll see things, will hear things, we will feel things.
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So I think as a rule absolutely all through those
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apply here. And it has something to do with the
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fact that all of this is downstream of this kind
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of energetic structure that is prior to space time.
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I just want to throw something in there that's kind
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of adjacent to what you're saying, Darren, is that we have,
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from a physiological standpoint, a pretty good idea of what
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we can perceive visually, auditorially, factorily, we have a good
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idea of what.
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We can perceive.
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What's in question is that we don't know how much
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we can understand. That that remains in question, and I
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think we'll thank you, Nathan. I think that will is
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to be determined. We know that the mind can certainly
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connect with things that a lot.
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Of humans don't know.
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That our mind and our consciousness can connect with and
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you know, we've been talking extensively with the medium Carolyn
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Klapp her clearly she has proven empirically that she can
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connect with beings that are no longer alive.
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She can remote view all these kinds of things.
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So it's very interesting that as far as as what
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we can understand, do you feel like you have in
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a sense of what we can understand yet, Darren, or
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you also feel that's still very much in question.
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Well, this actually is a pretty big piece of how
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I make sense of things because I think when we
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ask the question what we can you know, what we
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can understand, what we can comprehend, we have to sort
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of ask under which mode of consciousness? Right, So in
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the default mode of consciousness, then it's a pretty constrained
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kind of manifestation space, and it has to show up
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in certain ways. And I'd like to make this point
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again speaking about Donald Hoffman and him discussing the fact
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that everything we see here is basically a translation of
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shortcut right, almost like icons on a desktop screen, rather
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than what's actually there. And I think this will help
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us because up until now we have assumed what we're
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seeing and experiences is the fullness of reality. And now
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we recognize, not only is it not the fullness of reality,
528
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but it's actually a shortcut in kind of a translation.
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We no longer need to try to force the phenomenon
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within what we can see and measure right directly, because
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we know that that's actually an epiphenomenon of a deeper structure. Now,
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I've had experiences which some of you probably heard about,
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where you can change your mode of consciousness. And when
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you change that mode of consciousness, you are not just expanding,
535
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for instance, the range of the electrobadetic spectrum that you've
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accessed to, right, but you are changing the configuration of
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who you are in relationship.
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To the whole.
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And you begin to recognize, and this is another key
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piece that shows up in the phenomenon lore over and
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over again, the oneness, the unit of experience that arises.
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And this fits with non dual traditions and whatnot, And
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again it fits with what we find in quantum mechanics
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that underlying these apparent manifestations of these sub atomic particles
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is actually just one unit of field. So this shows
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up more and more, and as you can drop out
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of space time, which I've done before, you basically become
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the fullness of that unit of field, and depending on
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where your intention goes, you move and experience across that
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entire field. So when you ask the question what can
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we access, it kind of depends which mode of consciousness
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you're accessing. And I think one of the fascinating ways
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this will roll out in the future is as we
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learn through technology and through meditation and through consciousness development
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to tap into these other realities, then I think that
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will be its own kind of disclosure, because that is
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all about what we actually are, and as we understand
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who we are in a more fulsome way, then we
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understand what the phenomenon is as well, because I think
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it's two sides of the same coin.
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That's definitely an amalgam.
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Because I was thinking of what we can understand and
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I'm trying I want to apply that to the broader audience,
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because you know, I mean, you're one of these people.
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Nathan has engaged in some of this, James has engaged
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in this as well, being able to connect to certain
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different levels of consciousness that maybe your average person out
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there hasn't.
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But I think that so the question is for those
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of us who haven't cultivated that ability?
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What what can we understand in terms of what a
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non human intelligence might have to offer or what ability?
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So that was kind of but we're still on the
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same track. We haven't heard this young lady Akashi Chris
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in a while, so I want to get her in
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on Dev's question as well, and then we'll go to
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money Nathan, So sound, light, frequency and cowboy hat. Also,
578
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oh where did Kashi go?
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Oh?
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My, are we seeing abductions live on air? Nathan?
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Because this will not standing, This cannot stand.
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It cannot bring her back immediately.
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Yes, you will. You will bring Akashi back.
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I demand it by the power vested to me by
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Nathan James and EXO.
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I wait, come back, Hi, you're well yeah, we thought
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you were abducted, so this.
588
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Is yeah, yeah, I live in Oklahoma, so that happens.
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Can you guys hear me? Okay, yes, okay, awesome. So
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I'm sorry I missed the end of that whole cool
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thing that I was really into blowing my mind. But
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here's I'm gonna morph two topics together because really into
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I've been really studying the brain and how it's like
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this this bouncer that keeps all the ideas that are
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unpleasant or scary out of the equation and keeps us protected.
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But where I was originally going to go with this question,
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I'm gonna morph it together is start with James. So,
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I was looking at your ex account and I was
599
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I was seeing you take pictures of that book by
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doctor Pasulka the others so, and I know it hasn't
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come out yet, So I started looking into it because
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I hadn't really seen what it was about, and it
603
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was talking about and correct me if I'm wrong. It's
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like the convergence right of the three areas of UFOs
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Ai and consciousness and Ai always makes me think about
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you know, it's like why is Ai in the picture?
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Right?
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Is Ai in the picture to help the sensitize this
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and take us through this journey and accept things that
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otherwise we wouldn't accept?
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Or is Ai in the picture just kind of is
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it something our development and our own enlightenment.
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I'm concerned. It's like is it friend or foe? Is
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it part of the equation or not? And maybe we
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can start I would like to hear all of you
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guys perspectives, because you guys are awesome.
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Real quick, this was you answering Deb's question of soundlight
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frequency because we haven't gone to Nathan, then we can
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get to artificia.
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Didn't hear that part because I.
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Was awful, Okay, right, as please restate the question for
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the jury, Thank you please.
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Yeah, I was just trying to see what people thought
624
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about the Oh you can't see me? Do quote hands?
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Okay?
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Can we can we just get your hands on here
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one day? Yes?
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Yeah, I'm supposed to be solving all things connected it
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down late and frequency.
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I totally believe that it does.
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I totally believe that it has been found and it's
632
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probably what was taken away from Tesla, you know, I
633
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:41.480
mean it wasn't he always talking about as sound, frequency, vibration,
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the three six nine.
635
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He seemed to know and it made him.
636
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The scary part is said, for somebody that I think
637
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.159
had so much knowledge, he was so lonely and sad.
638
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.800
It's like this does that type of knowledge just bring
639
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:56.440
you this?
640
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:58.880
It take you to a dark place. But I don't
641
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.880
know if I answered your question. And because I'm totally
642
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:06.159
I mean all of this is connected consciousness of frequency vibration.
643
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.920
I mean, we we know it. We've heard the stories. People.
644
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You know, the ancient pictures showed us U foes.
645
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.039
You know, we've been telling they've been telling us a
646
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story the whole time.
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I don't know. If I answered your question, DJ, I.
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Would say, also, mediums have talked about vibrations and frequencies
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the whole time as very much connected.
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So and we're ignored, right, And they were kind of
651
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.159
made fun of. And that's what you know.
652
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.719
Now, people I think are starting to accept some of
653
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these things, right.
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If I could too.
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One thing I've had about the frequency part is I think,
656
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you know, this has been talked about, and it's a
657
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:50.519
helpful way to think about it. It's somewhat a metaphor,
658
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but it's very true in many ways. And that is
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that rather than imagining space and distance being real, right,
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so we understand, even from the revelations of quantum ANX,
661
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.280
that local reality isn't really even real. And what quantum
662
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.000
entanglement tells us is that, you know, space is just
663
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an epi phenomenon. It looks that way, distance looks like something.
664
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It's a way we can interact with something in a
665
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.079
kind of playspace, but it's not ultimately.
666
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What's going on.
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So in that sense, you know, and I think this
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plays into why Luna is talking about interdimensionality. For instance,
669
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it's not so much in a physical sense of different
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00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.960
physical universes. It's in the sense that just by changing
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00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.679
the frequency right, the bandwidth, you're sort of tuning into,
672
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.360
which you can do with the power of the mind.
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00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.639
By the way, you can actually access these different beings
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and these entirely different reality structures. So in that sense,
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00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:39.920
you don't have to go anywhere, right because space is
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an epi phenomenon of our deeper energetic structure. So just
677
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.920
by changing the bandwidth you're dialing into actually you're tapping
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00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.599
in not just a different beings, but different realities altogether.
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00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.000
So in that sense, you know, sound, light, and vibration
680
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are all downstream of that kind of understanding.
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00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.960
Yeah, I just want to jump in here too. So
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you know, we we have effect we have effective but
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crude tools at understanding reality and so you know, you
684
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guys know, I just got back from a vacation. I
685
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was in Ireland and Wales. One of the things that
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we do in Wales when we go over there is
687
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we run a canal boat. And these are long boats.
688
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They are very heavy and they very slow, like you
689
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.320
can outwalk this thing on the canal. It's that slow.
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And the canals are very shallow, right, so the boats
691
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are very shallow as well, and it's easy to get
692
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the boat snagged on something. So you know, from from
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one perspective, I'm piloting this boat down the canal, and
694
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I'm holding the rudder and the rudder is steering the propeller,
695
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and I have a RUDIMENTI sense of what I'm doing there, right,
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I have a general awareness of what I'm doing. I'm
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00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.039
moving this thing in a certain direction. But the things
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that I cannot see that impact the ability for me
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to move effectively, you know, are below the surface of
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the water. I can't see the terrain. I can't see
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the weeds that are down there, the sticks that are
702
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down there that get stuck on the propeller impact my
703
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.679
ability to move this thing around. So you know, am
704
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I able to move the boat?
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Yes?
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Am I able to move it as effectively as I
707
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would if I could perceive these things and avoid hitting
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00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.000
them and you know, interacting with them, or or even
709
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.079
come out of the water in some way and you know,
710
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.960
right over them. You know, I can do it, but
711
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.440
it's not as good as it could be.
712
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:19.840
Right.
713
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:24.000
Furthermore, like, there's this entire landscape around the boat that's
714
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not even you know, it's not the water, it's it's
715
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:28.679
the countryside, and and I'm moving through it. But I
716
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.360
could move through it a lot more quickly if I
717
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:31.840
just got out of the boat and walked around. And
718
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.119
there are different modes of transportation through this landscape of reality,
719
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but I've chosen one, or I'm constrained. It's a different
720
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.440
way to think of this. I am constrained into one
721
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mode of moving through the experience, and so I tend
722
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to think that translates well to how we experience life
723
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.719
as well. We are constrained, We are constrained by what
724
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we can perceive, what we can understand. We are absolutely though,
725
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impacted by things which fall outside of the scope of
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00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.599
our awareness perception, and they very much have a role
727
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in affecting our experience and our reality and all those things.
728
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And so you know, sound like, sound like and frequency, Yes,
729
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.599
they play an important role. They I think for me
730
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:18.000
represent the the as as Darren has mentioned, the energies,
731
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but also they kind of remind me of the constraints
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in which we operate in and then a cost you
733
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to your question to think about AI. The way I
734
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think about AI is that it is it is a
735
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It is a natural manifestation of what conscious beings will
736
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try to do. You know, if, when given enough time
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and technology and so forth, we being conscious beings are
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going to try to emulate consciousness. I mean, we we
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do it biologically very easily, but when we're talking about
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synthetic you know, conscious technology, like it takes a lot
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of work, and we're trying to in a way kind
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of approximate that, but we all we don't really understand
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what it is. I think that we're getting to a
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place where, uh, you know, is Darren's podcast point of convergence.
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It's it's a great name because it does imply that
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that we are entering this point at which these things
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do intersect in a way that that that provide us
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a little bit of a peak, a better peak behind
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the curtain. And I think, you know, consciousness technologies is
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sort of the next thing we're going to begin hearing
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more about than experimenting more about and expanding and that
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consciousness technologies, whether they be altered states through pharmacology or
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through a combination of pharmacology and technology. You know, they're
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going to reveal to us and unlock to us new
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modes of experiencing reality, and and and I think the
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phenomena as a result.
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I love I love that answer.
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I'm just leaving it out as this still kind of
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it's some of this is still just stuff we just
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don't know.
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Would you agree with that we just don't know yet?
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Would you agree with that?
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Nathan, Yeah, I know I would, And but but I
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do want to say something else though about that, because
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I think I think that it's a really good question,
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you know, what what should we know?
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Right?
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This comes up a lot, I think in the disclosure
769
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conversation what should we know? And there's this way of
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thinking that we've really nurtured in enlightened and enlightenment days.
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You know that there is a that that achieving a
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kind of knowledge is akin to perfection, Like the more
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knowledge we have, the more perfect we become, the more
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aligned with you know, originally it was kind of like
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alignment with the Godhead. And you know, the more we
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can have impact over the natural world, the more we
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become like God. And so there's this affinity we have
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this in in Baked affinity to knowledge and acquiring the
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right kind of knowledge. You know that the right beliefs
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capital t truth. You know, we're very fixated on these
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things right and I think it's it's it's it's helpful,
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and it's helped us tremendously, but it's also it can become,
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like a lot of things, it can become very toxic.
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And I think that the toxic aspect of this is
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this notion of right belief. You know that that we
786
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need to achieve a kind of right belief with respect
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to disclosure. You know, I need to know exactly what
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it is, and if I don't have it exactly as
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it should be understood, then something's wrong. I take a
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different view. I take a view that looks at this
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more from the standpoint of every individual has a path
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they are on, has a has a path of learning
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that they're on, and that learning is going to take
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them certain places. I'm not going to get to some
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places that an Einstein's going to get get to, you know,
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I'm not going to get to some places that a
797
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star athlete is going to get to. They're on a
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different journey than the one I'm on. And for me
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to try to say I'm going to be Lebron James like,
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it's absolutely it's a foolish thing to say, right, it's
801
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absolutely foolish. Am I any less worthy or valuable than
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Lebron James? No, I'm not. And so I take the
803
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same view to this enterprise as well. You know, we
804
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have folks with so many different experiences, so many different perspectives,
805
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and and they're on their own journeys of knowledge and
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of growth. And for me to come in and say no, no, no, no, no, no,
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I think you don't understand. You need to see it
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like this. And if you don't see it like this,
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you're somehow broken, imperfect, impure. You know, you see where
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I'm going here. It's just it's it's not it's not healthy.
811
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It's just it's not healthy, not only to that person,
812
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but it's but we don't what we don't see is
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it's not healthy to ourselves, because we do. We're doing
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it just and not only we're doing it to them,
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we're doing it to us at the same time. We
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just are more blind to the fact that we do
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it to ourselves. And so it's a little bit of
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a you know, a soapbox that I get on here
819
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at this one. But but it's important to me because
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I see it happening a lot where there's this kind
821
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of really pounding on the desk and we have to
822
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understand it in a certain kind of way, and I
823
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think that that can be quite harmful.
824
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I think this is this is a cosmic carouselves agreeing
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with you. I I think this is a very very
826
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important point to make. It's a point that I've heard
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James say kind of very early on in our journey
828
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as a as a group here, and I've heard you
829
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say very early on as our journey as a group.
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So I think it's very important that we don't all
831
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and I think Deb is also a spouse very similar
832
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sentiments as well. So I'm glad that you said that
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as a reminder to all of us to have some
834
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grace and to to allow people to have a different
835
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view and a different intake and a different digestion of
836
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of of all these sort of topics that are that
837
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where so much more is unknown than known.
838
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Yeah, and just one quick thing I want to add,
839
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that doesn't mean when we see someone who's doing something
840
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harmful with a belief, you know where you're in a
841
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position to talk to them, like to not help them
842
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find something healthier. Right, So I want to make sure
843
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I've been clear about that. It's not it's not just
844
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everybody can do whatever they want, you know, and then
845
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we're just going to be okay. Hey, I think it's
846
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important for us to to bring some wisdom to this
847
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as well. And if if we can be helpful to
848
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someone who's got it broken, something is broken in the
849
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way they're looking at this that is harming them or
850
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harming others, that we we have a duty to try
851
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to get to a healthier place.
852
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With that perspective, we gotta we gotta leave the ego
853
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at the door and stop trying to convince people that
854
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we're the smartest people on earth, because we're all I mean,
855
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we're all in this together, none.
856
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Of the none of us have I think all the answers.
857
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But anyway, right, nobody, no, you're you're you guys are
858
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there's so much gatekeeping. You're right, anybody with anything novel
859
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:41.159
to say, you're either ignored or you're you're just tossed
860
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aside and called a troll or something.
861
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You know.
862
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So I see what you guys are saying. I agree.
863
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I just I just want to add in who everybody is.
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So at the top of the screen you see Nathan there.
865
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Nathan is the co creator of cab He's also on
866
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a uh A podcast last show called Liminal Frames with
867
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the man below him, Darren X Academian. Darren also has
868
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a podcast that basically got all of us, you know,
869
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talking about these deeper topics, including multiple PhDs, and that
870
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is point of convergence.
871
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To his left is.
872
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The legend James I and olly engaging the phenomenon. James
873
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is also someone who is literally and I'm not exaggering,
874
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brought countless people into this topic and internationally people reach
875
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out to James for his perspectives. That next to Darren
876
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over there to his right is the host of mind
877
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for and Cabby Akashi Cris and below the Brady Bune
878
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and then below Darren is none other than Kevin Flair,
879
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who is just one of the most interesting and most
880
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.360
creative minds and digital artists that you're gonna find on Twitter.
881
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And of course one of.
882
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The cab ogs is Debs, somebody who has helped many
883
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many people with mental health through UAP med and just
884
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of her own evolition study of UAPs. So with that
885
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I also want to thank our mod Johanna, who gifted
886
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ten memberships and we have some questions.
887
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Thank you very much, Jonah. That was very kind of you,
888
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and we do have some questions to questions from her.
889
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I'd like to handle these as a quick hitter because
890
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we've got a lot to get to, So I'd like
891
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somebody to tap in, someone to grab this question, please
892
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anybody on screen. This kind of gets to what I
893
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.360
was getting at earlier. But you want to take that, Nathan.
894
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I was going to pass it to James.
895
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James, would you like to tackle the story?
896
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Can our imaginations even begin to capture the possibilities? I mean,
897
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I think that's where it starts, right, I think if
898
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you have I mean everybody has the ability, but some
899
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people are have a knack for it and being able
900
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to utilize their imagination to capture the possibilities, right, Like
901
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I think the you know, people can be dismissive of
902
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:18.480
imagination like, oh, it's it's just your imagination. Well you
903
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:22.480
have to say what what is your imagination? And there's
904
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.880
a step down process of that, right, Like, if there
905
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.800
was no imagination to create chair, it would not have
906
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:34.519
been manifest right, So that to take from XO and
907
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Nathan's show a liminal, right, this imagination. Imagination is like
908
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this liminal environment where you can take something that could
909
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.760
be considered like a thought form and manifest it into
910
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the physical. So I think it imagination is is the
911
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place where you can can begin to do those kind
912
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of things. And I believe that people are able to
913
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:09.400
use their imagination to tune in to two possibilities, right.
914
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I think you know when people kind of channel ideas, right,
915
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.639
everybody's kind of tuned, if I could say, it's a
916
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:22.960
different frequency, and they attract these ideas in their imagination.
917
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Whether you know, somebody could do it mathematically, other people
918
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can do it artistically, you know, based on whatever their
919
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:37.719
orientation is or their natural inclinations. But I think that's
920
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.039
something that's going to constantly grow and evolved within each individual, right,
921
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.599
And I would say there's probably exercises that you can
922
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do to enhance your perception of your imagination and also
923
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:55.280
how to even extend that. So that's put my two
924
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cents on that.
925
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I love that.
926
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Yeah, I was I was trying to visualize that in
927
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terms of a compass, a map, and trying to visualize
928
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a point that's pretty far away that you're aiming your
929
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.559
compass at and you don't and it's a large field
930
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.079
in between you and that point. You don't know exactly
931
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.960
what it's going to look like when you get to
932
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.199
that point, but that you're imagining, and you're using your
933
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imagination to find your way somewhere. Without imagination, life can
934
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be very very difficult, and it can be very very boring. Darren,
935
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I feel like this questions for you. I would like
936
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.760
to tap into a different reality. Is there a map?
937
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:34.960
Daron's got the matter.
938
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:41.679
Yeah, So a couple of things here, as some of
939
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you guys will know, Like I have a specific protocol
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I use which, by the way, speaking to James point,
941
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.360
you know, I think even when different traditions, over time,
942
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different esoteric traditions for instance, have come up with different
943
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.039
protocols that are used to tap into these different realities.
944
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.719
That also is employees some form of imagination as well.
945
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And it matters more how you engage with the protocol
946
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.440
then the specifics of what the protocol is. So rather
947
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:10.280
than making it a nuts and bolts kind of technology,
948
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:13.079
do it exactly like this and this formula. Your own
949
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.840
consciousness plays a role in that and how much you
950
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:21.239
can actually exercise will right. This is something Aleister Crowley
951
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.519
talked about, makes a difference in what actually will manifest
952
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.280
now in terms of, you know, the map of how
953
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.800
you get there. You know traditionally there there's many ways
954
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you can again reconfigure your consciousness. So if the default
955
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mode of consciousness is what we're usually operating in here,
956
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there are a variety of tools you can use. You
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can use meditation is the one that I use the most.
958
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I know James is big into that too. Absolutely, you
959
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can again, especially if you've developed a really adapt meditative practice,
960
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you can drop into different realities because and this is
961
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the key point, because the default mode is just one
962
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.000
refraction of conscience bousness. And when you can get your
963
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consciousness to sort of drop out of that, out of
964
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borderm in some ways, because when you're not attending to
965
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the narrow frame of what usually gets our attention with
966
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the monkey mind, then what happens is suddenly you pop
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out into a bigger manifestation space, a bigger consciousness space.
968
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So that's one way is that you have to overcome
969
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the habit of mind that all of us are very
970
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constrained within, and modern media and streaming on our phones
971
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and watching Netflix for six hours in a row, like
972
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all of those things that the tribalism right socially that
973
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goes on, that actually constrains us to a very narrow
974
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range of consciousness. And I think some of that's being
975
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gamed actually and weaponized so we don't tap into these
976
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deeper realities. So I would say, absolutely, make use of
977
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:48.199
some of these protocols, some of these contact modalities like meditation,
978
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:52.480
like breath work, even adjusting the amount of oxygen your
979
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.920
brain can drop you in different consciousness space, plant medicine
980
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.760
absolutely right. There's even now we are finding that if
981
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:03.880
you disrupt the usual electrical function of the brain in
982
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.639
the frontal cortex, you become more psychic.
983
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.039
Right, So this suggests to us that.
984
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.400
Actually our brains are filters more than anything else. So
985
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.440
really our default is that we are part of that
986
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:18.119
unit of experience, right, We're rising from that unit of field.
987
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:20.920
And in many ways this is about turning off the
988
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.239
filters rather than adding anything. And when you drop out
989
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.719
of the filters, then you expand and become the actual
990
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.679
space that you're exploring. So that is the general way
991
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:32.199
I would answer that in terms of a map of
992
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:34.360
how you explore more of consciousness.
993
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.960
Man, that was great, and so Johnna you could cash
994
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.360
app at Exo.
995
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:46.360
Dollar sign Exoacitanian was great?
996
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.760
All right, Darren, I think I think the guys asking
997
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:50.960
for the protocol.
998
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.519
It's yeah, yeah.
999
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:55.800
So the thing is, I don't give the protocol out
1000
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.159
because this is another thing you need to be aware of,
1001
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:01.159
right like you when you go exploring in some of
1002
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:05.360
these places, it can be incredibly to use my favorite word, discombobulating, right,
1003
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.559
And I would not suggest people do this, just like
1004
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.840
you know, James and I have conversations back in the
1005
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.800
day around CEU five, Right. And if you're a person
1006
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.440
that wrestles with a lot of fear, right, you're manifesting
1007
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.679
fear like everything is ultimately mined.
1008
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:20.920
Right.
1009
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.360
This is one thing I would say. This goes back
1010
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:23.679
to frequency and imagination.
1011
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:24.079
Right.
1012
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.159
And so because there's an interactive, reflexive nature to the phenomenon,
1013
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.480
you don't even want to go do heis or CEU
1014
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.519
five if you have a lot of negative residue from
1015
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.360
an experience in a day, because that will prime the
1016
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.280
experience you're going to have. Similarly, I do a lot
1017
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.280
of work and I've done a lot of structural integrity
1018
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:42.840
work to get to the point where I.
1019
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.119
Can go to some of these places.
1020
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.199
That isn't my way of bragging, it's just my way
1021
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.719
of saying I would be definitely concerned that if people
1022
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.599
didn't have that background and they were to go far
1023
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.039
flung into this, it could be psychologically and physiologically damaging.
1024
00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:58.199
I have people.
1025
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.519
I know a friend of mine at Rice University is
1026
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.800
doing his PhD partly because he had an experience one
1027
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:08.199
time where he basically got caught in a kind of
1028
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.599
purgatory kind of zone and he had the experience of
1029
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:15.639
being there for decades before he came back and he'd
1030
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.559
lost his job, you know, he his his girlfriend left him,
1031
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.880
his business fell apart. So there are real, like real
1032
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.639
life consequences to these things. So I know it sounds
1033
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.079
exciting and it is exciting to explore it, but I
1034
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.000
would say that you want to make sure you're building
1035
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.800
up the internal core strength, like from an energetic point
1036
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.760
of view, before you do that. And because I don't
1037
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:36.679
know who's going to use it, I just don't give
1038
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:38.679
it out to anybody because of that. I'm just concerned
1039
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.719
about the physiological and the psychological risks.
1040
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.719
Yeah, and that really gets to one of the ideas
1041
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:49.519
you talked about early on, which was, well, I'm trying
1042
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.320
to remember the exact like the conscious hygiene or what
1043
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:52.719
was it.
1044
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.360
I've heard that term before. There was a there was
1045
00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.480
a conscious hygiene.
1046
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:01.519
Was No, there was a there was that's not the
1047
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.960
name of it. Was something hygiene where it's like your
1048
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:09.440
hygien Yeah. And then a lot of the contemplative systems
1049
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.800
all had that built in from the beginning. The you know,
1050
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:17.639
the eight limbs of Yoga and the eightfold path of
1051
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.079
Buddhism are there to kind of protect you on this journey,
1052
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.960
so you have a strong foundation so when you go
1053
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:29.760
when there's these kind of things are revealed to you,
1054
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:34.119
that you have your stable. Yeah.
1055
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:35.599
Yeah, absolutely.
1056
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.159
I feel like Sati is in here somewhere. Your co
1057
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.119
host is in here somewhere, a Kashi. I don't know
1058
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.639
what her name is on here, but Haisati.
1059
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.960
It's a cosmic carousel. That's Sati. Yeah, that's our channel.
1060
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:53.199
Okay, sorry, Yeah, it feels like Sati.
1061
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.840
Yes, it is. She's totally digging everything. You guys are.
1062
00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:59.800
Saying, awesome, awesome. I I want to make sure we
1063
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:00.519
get Kevin.
1064
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.039
If Kevin has to go, if he has a second question,
1065
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.320
I want to get him in there, and then we
1066
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:08.280
can go to akashi and then we could just have
1067
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.440
kind of like free talk between the guys until we're finished.
1068
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:17.320
Did you have another question? keVs Hell?
1069
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:20.800
I actually don't have a second question. I lost track
1070
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:25.119
of time. Yeah, you guys are free, just go for akushi.
1071
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:32.079
Are we going back to We're going to Sorry, whatever
1072
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.599
was going to be a kashi is okay.
1073
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:39.239
I can do AI or I could do consciousness because
1074
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.039
I've got I got multiple topics in my head right
1075
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.559
now thanks to these guys. I feel smarter just because
1076
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.280
I'm next to all these guys, right, I feel like
1077
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.480
I'm just catching it.
1078
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.199
But yeah, I would do Since we're doing AI tomorrow,
1079
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:57.159
you should probably do something just similar from that.
1080
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.480
Well before you go Caushi's one. I want to say
1081
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.840
something about what you. I think what you and what
1082
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:08.639
Kevin do is really helpful for the community and the
1083
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:13.639
conversation because I'm saying this because I want to say
1084
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.159
this publicly, but also Kevin, you know, he talked about
1085
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:19.000
gatekeeping and how certain perspectives are really gate kept in
1086
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.760
the community. Think I think that is true. But one
1087
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.159
of the beautiful things about the craft that you both
1088
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:27.960
practice in your own unique ways to me is it's evocative, right.
1089
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.159
It's meant to evo evoke something and experience in the
1090
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:33.559
in the consumer. And for those of you who don't know,
1091
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:35.039
you know some of the things that they do, they're
1092
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:39.079
really good at using digital media to to present, you know,
1093
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.599
interesting questions and provoke conversation. And I think that that's
1094
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.000
a really important Some people can look at that and
1095
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.639
look at that as maybe some sometimes being a little
1096
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:52.559
bit you know, juvenile or you know, flipant or whatever.
1097
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.840
I think that that's unfair and it's it's important for
1098
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:58.960
us to you know, we talked about the trickster element, right.
1099
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.679
Sometimes we often talk about that and really I think
1100
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:05.639
negative terms, But the valuable thing about the trickster to
1101
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:09.880
me is that it does allow us to it forces
1102
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:12.599
a transformation on us to have to go it's like comedy, right.
1103
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.239
It forces you to look at situations that you might
1104
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.559
normally look at and think these are really mundane, boring
1105
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:19.519
things that happened to everybody, and then look at them
1106
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.480
and go wow, like that is it's hilarious and it's fun,
1107
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.199
and it makes me think about these experiences in ways
1108
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.519
that are much more meaningful than they would have been otherwise.
1109
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:29.239
So I just wanted to say that, and I really
1110
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.000
appreciate what both of you guys do.
1111
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.119
One hundred percent and want. Don't we play Kevin while
1112
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:36.639
we're here? This is Kevin's latest work.
1113
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.559
Hey, old pal, it's been a while.
1114
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.960
Hey, good to hear from you. We should catch up soon.
1115
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:31.119
What the.
1116
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:38.679
Okay, I'm Darren. How do you follow that?
1117
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:41.920
Nice? I love it?
1118
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.039
Yeah, very metaphoric and like like Nathan said, very evocative.
1119
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:49.199
Kevin, are you there? Come back?
1120
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:51.320
He's probably on a biological break right now? Are you
1121
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:52.639
on a biological.
1122
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.840
Break talking about you, keV?
1123
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:56.320
Yeah?
1124
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:57.800
Toilet there he is?
1125
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:03.280
Now so awesome? Man, did you just see that your
1126
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:04.480
We played your video?
1127
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:06.840
Oh yeah, I was.
1128
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:07.760
I was getting a drink.
1129
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:11.320
Oh you missed it. We just played the whole video
1130
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:12.440
on on big screen.
1131
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:12.679
No.
1132
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:14.079
I came in.
1133
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:15.920
I heard the music playing. I was like, oh, that's
1134
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:16.840
that's my music.
1135
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:17.559
There was.
1136
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.199
I appreciate that you guys played that.
1137
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:21.440
I hope you guys enjoyed that.
1138
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:23.480
Oh my god, it's great.
1139
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.239
Yeah, well, Nathan, I thank you for bringing that up, Nathan,
1140
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.599
it's just you know, it's amazing, Gray all saying, agree
1141
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.440
with Darren's point. It would seem that an almost operators
1142
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:37.199
are cognizant of observation and are often happy to accept
1143
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.159
an invite to tap dance.
1144
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:42.400
That one's good.
1145
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:47.199
All right, So Akashi did you you I think you
1146
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.000
had something that you wanted to bring up, So please go.
1147
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.079
Ahead, man, pivot a pivot, But it's kind of blending
1148
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:58.079
into the topic that we're talking about. So so especially
1149
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.519
when Darren said, but I want to hear but opinion,
1150
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.239
it's like, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Right,
1151
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:08.480
So you were talking about not giving protocols because people
1152
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.719
might not be ready. I mean, if you're like at
1153
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.400
a low vibration, if you get into that, you're going
1154
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:14.119
to go lower.
1155
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.880
I totally agree. There's a you know, responsibility needs to
1156
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:17.199
be had.
1157
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:22.320
But in a world where we commercialize everything, right, and
1158
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.599
now they have divid this that they're going to put
1159
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:29.800
in your head, it's like the commercialization of consciousness. You know,
1160
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.199
give us some advice, you know, because people out there
1161
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:34.320
are gonna just.
1162
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.400
Because you can. I don't think anybody should be messing
1163
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:37.800
in there.
1164
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:39.880
But what do you guys think of that, you know,
1165
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:41.880
new technology that they're using for this.
1166
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:47.960
Yeah, I think that I would be very wary of that,
1167
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.960
and I'd be very wary of in the same way
1168
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:55.320
that we've just found ways to entertain people with pretty
1169
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:58.840
mindless media, right, and increasing ways to do that, So
1170
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.440
it takes up pretty much all the people's time. So
1171
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:03.360
in a lot of ways, the way that media ends
1172
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:07.400
up being utilized is basically to distract people from their
1173
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.239
consciousness potential actually, And so I think if we were
1174
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.199
to just come up with technologies that could spin the dial,
1175
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.039
so to speak, and take people to different realities without
1176
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.280
having done any of the grounding work and getting to
1177
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:23.159
know themselves, not only is that not that productive, right,
1178
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:27.000
but it's also potentially very very dangerous. And this speaks
1179
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.360
to something I really want to emphasize though, and that
1180
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.320
is that this is about human potential. I think a
1181
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.519
huge part of disclosure is about human potential. This is
1182
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:39.559
something that the beings talk often so often about, is
1183
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.159
that we have lost our connection with a unit of
1184
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.400
field as a society we have as a civilization, right,
1185
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.239
This is something that comes up over and over again
1186
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:51.079
cautions about how we have become too technology, right, thinking
1187
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:52.480
back to what was said to the kids at the
1188
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.760
aerial school, So I think we should be very cautious
1189
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.920
of any kind of shortcut to get there. And even
1190
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.119
beyond the shortcuts, I think we have to really ask
1191
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.079
de questions about how we use technology.
1192
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:04.320
Right.
1193
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:07.199
We're now at the point that the cusp of incorporating
1194
01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:10.320
technology into our very beings, into our physiology. And to
1195
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:13.039
get your question too about AI, I think a big
1196
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.880
reason why things are happening as they are now is
1197
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.920
because we're approaching this technological singularity as well. And so
1198
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.559
I think this is speaking of tap dance, like the
1199
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.440
main dance is going down soon, right, So we are
1200
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:29.400
we are spiraling into not just incremental shifts, but massive
1201
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.760
shifts on an exponential level, right, And we are very
1202
01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:35.519
quickly approaching that where transhumanism comes into the picture.
1203
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:35.719
Right.
1204
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.440
And I think when I was at my recent retreat
1205
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:40.760
in California, I was talking to this one friend of
1206
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.440
mine and he was saying that he had this dream.
1207
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.480
It was one of those, you know, more more real
1208
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.039
than real life kind of dreams where he had a
1209
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:51.280
sense in the future that there'll be this bifurcation where
1210
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.840
one aspect of humanity completely buys into a technological kind
1211
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:57.159
of transhuman future and the other one goes in the
1212
01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:01.280
opposite direction and actually dials into consciousness right within to
1213
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:02.239
discover who.
1214
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:03.199
We are in our potential.
1215
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.679
And so I think in many ways this has been weaponized,
1216
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:10.599
right that we are taught just use more cool tech, right,
1217
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:13.519
And of course AI is playing into that now, but
1218
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:18.960
that not only is distracting, but I think ultimately it
1219
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.400
prevents us from creating the kind of transformation inwardly that
1220
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could happen on a civilization lid scale, that could really
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change the world in a way we need it to change.
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01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.079
And so I think this is so important, and we
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01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:34.159
need to be wary of anything that feels like a shortcut,
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01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.440
anything that feels like it's just about a fun road.
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01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:37.880
Trip, right.
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01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:40.719
We want to build up the structure to be able
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to host a kind of reality that is kinder, gentler,
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and more connected. And a lot of that is like
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01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.400
just deep consciousness work. It's not so sexy, it's not
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01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:53.239
so mind bending necessarily tomorrow or later today. But if
1231
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:55.880
you can do that work, then we actually create the
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01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.960
structure right to be able to manifest this as an
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01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.840
entire civilization, and I think that's partly the message from
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01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:03.360
the more benevolent beings as well.
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01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:07.920
Speaking of that, Darren, where do people go if they
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01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:11.480
want to attend one of your I don't know what.
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01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.119
We It's a retreat basically, right, is a retreat?
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01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:15.920
Yeah?
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01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:17.679
How do people find out about that?
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01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:19.639
Well?
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01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:22.159
Usually most of the people that have come to the
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retreats have taken one of my classes. So I offer
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01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.840
classes a couple times a year in the spring semester
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01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.000
and in the fall semester. So most of the people
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01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.519
that come to that are either people who've taken the
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01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.440
classes and have gotten to know each other kind of
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01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.800
virtually like this on screens, or people who are coaching clients.
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01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:40.519
But I do plan to offer more retreats in the future.
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01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:44.239
They're kind of niche, different kinds of retreats, So I
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01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:46.159
think if people are interested in that, they could check
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out my website Essence of Being dot info Essence of
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Being dot info, and I announced classes there and I
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01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:56.440
announced retreats and things that are coming up there as well.
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All right, we'll get that info. Four.
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01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:03.840
I'm going to get that up on the screen here.
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Exo academian Amien retreats.
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Okay, cool.
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01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:13.440
I appreciate that, Darren, because I mean, a lot of
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01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:18.279
people just don't get it. It's like diets, right, everybody
1260
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:19.960
wants sill a zimpick their way in.
1261
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:22.359
It's like, let's get it done right away. It's the
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01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:23.359
same thing with.
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01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:28.840
Everything, the same thing. Meditation takes work in patience. I mean,
1264
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.359
I'm super Eightydio. It takes me forever to get into
1265
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:33.479
that mode where it's like I can be still enough
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01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.199
to be pressed.
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Yet it's so important, I mean, isn't it, Chris.
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Can I just add something that people haven't mentioned yet. Yes,
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01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.560
And this is actually why I am not currently meditating
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01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:50.640
and haven't for a while. Is that when you're picking
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01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:53.840
up the phone, so to speak, it's not just you
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01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:57.079
on the phone. There's someone else on that phone. Okay,
1273
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:01.520
it's a two way street. So if you're putting yourself
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01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:04.560
out there with other energies, there's got to be a
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01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:10.079
response back. And I think people are sort of forgetting
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01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.720
that part. And that's not always a good part. It
1277
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.560
can be it could also be a very confusing part,
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01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:20.600
but it can also be a negative part. So I
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01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:22.359
just wanted to throw that out there real quick.
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Make sure get that right.
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01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:26.880
If I can just add to that, I think that's
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01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.119
a great point, And I would say, this is why
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01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:32.600
it's so important that we cultivate deep self awareness, because
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01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.399
you can go into a heist or a C five experience,
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01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:37.239
or even some sort of you know, other kind of
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01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:41.479
protocol and if you are not really really cognizant of
1287
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.920
the energy you're putting out, because at every moment, we're
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emitting into the cosmos. Right, And something I like to
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01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:49.399
say to people, and this became very clear to me
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01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.159
when I was outside the construct that it's not just
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01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:54.319
our actions and the things we say that we should
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01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.359
be conscious of, but even the thoughts we entertain are
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01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.920
changing reality and impacting people, and they are signals that
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01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:05.560
will send out into this interconnected field, this multi dimensional field,
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01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:08.960
and then by way of resonance, right, sympathetic resonance, we
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01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:11.079
will make contact with a kind of being based on
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01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.720
that sympathetic resonance. So even if you go in saying
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I think I'm just gonna say what am I so
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01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:18.960
to say? Well, yeah, okay, positive entities, I want to
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01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.960
connect with you Like that's that's a good start, but
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01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:25.479
you better make sure that that's actually what you're resonating.
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01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:27.640
It's not just the words you speak, it's the energy
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01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.840
you output all together. And that's where I really like
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01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.119
to encourage deep self awareness, to become aware through shadow work,
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01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:37.000
for instance, like some of the distortions you might be
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01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:39.319
putting out because a lot of the problem I think
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01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:43.880
is that people actually don't have the background to know
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01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:47.600
what they're actually emitting into the cosmos. And to the
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01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:49.640
point that person made, it can be beautiful, it can
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01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:52.479
be amazing, but it's kind of like the analogy I
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01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:54.079
said it. You know that you don't take your five
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01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:57.439
year old and say, hey, here's New York City.
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01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:58.439
Have fun right now.
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01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.560
You want them to go to certain places right and
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01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:03.560
not other places in New York City, and you want
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01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:07.359
them to be cognizant of their surroundings. And it's similar here,
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01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.520
but it's on an energetic level, and it's about sympathetic
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01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:13.319
resonance across these different, multi dimensional kind of layers. So
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01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:16.039
this speaks to the importance I think of self awareness,
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01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:18.520
cultivating that and not just trying to take some quick
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01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.640
trip that you can do tomorrow that's going to be fun.
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01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:23.640
Make sure you've done the inner work to be safe
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01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:24.159
when you do this.
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01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.840
Yeah, And I'll just say that it wasn't that I
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01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.960
had a negative experience. It was more like the person
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01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:35.039
on the other line just kept calling and it was
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01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.720
stockersh That's the best way to put it. Like they
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01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:42.560
would like, I kept having this feeling that I had
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to meditate, had to meditate, and it was not a
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01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:49.720
good feeling. It was feeling like very pushed. So that
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01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:53.520
was why I'm saying, you had to be a little
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01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.359
bit aware that it's a two way street.
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01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.319
Yeah, and you've you've actually been giving that warning that
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Darren just gave on this program for many years. Steps
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about that when you basically you were referencing because James
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01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.079
is able to do this, He's been doing this for
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01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:10.640
many years. And you were telling people, you know, kind
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01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:12.840
of like be aware of what you're calling in, what
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01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:16.960
you're trying to draw in. Before I ask everybody on
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01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:20.279
the panel which type of non human intelligence they want
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01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:22.800
to have dinner with. I want to get like sort
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01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:25.399
of Nathan, James and Darren to kind of just inquire
1343
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:27.840
with one another if if you have something and if
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01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:29.000
you don't, there's no pressure.
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01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.199
I got plenty of things to talk about, Yeah.
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01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:35.800
I can go there. You know, James, I want to
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01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:40.399
get your thoughts on the current sort of public conversation
1348
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:43.560
that's being had. You know, so the Disclosure Forum and
1349
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:46.119
you know, it seemed like it drew a lot of
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01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:50.680
recent attention. And lawmakers are trying to reintroduce the UAPDA
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to the National Defense Authorization Act, and you know that's
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01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:58.119
something we've been seeing over the last several years. You
1353
01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:01.319
know that failed attempts to get that to pass, and
1354
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.279
then you continue to here like lawmakers say things like, oh,
1355
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:06.880
the President's ready to protect whistle blowers, and you know,
1356
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.920
it seems like they're going to be more supportive than
1357
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:12.039
they've ever been. And we've obviously had beleiases through the
1358
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:16.399
Department of War in the last several weeks. Are these well,
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01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:17.840
I think we could look at these and say that
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01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.840
these are valuable movements. You know, how are you feeling,
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01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:24.880
you know when it comes to the other aspects of
1362
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:28.079
the conversation that aren't being had yet, And do you
1363
01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:31.760
think that those other aspects you know here you're thinking
1364
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:35.159
of you know, we talked a little bit earlier abductions, Uh,
1365
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:39.159
you know, the higher strangeness elements to the phenomena. Do
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01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.920
you think that those are are there ways in which
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01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.159
those things can enter into the conversation in a healthy way.
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01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:46.479
How are you feeling about it?
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01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:53.319
I mean, I think ultimately it's going just like uncomfortable
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01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:59.960
subjects have come up, like people that are defectors from
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01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:04.039
the program being targeted individuals. Right. I think one of
1372
01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:09.920
the big like no fly zones, is the military induction, right,
1373
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:15.560
those kind of things. I mean, even slide nine was
1374
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:19.439
talking about psychotronic weapons and the potential, right, and so
1375
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.920
that actually delves into the MK ultra area. Right. So
1376
01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:28.479
there's a lot of uncomfortable aspects of the conversation that
1377
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:32.199
we had. But again, like the disclosure form and not
1378
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:34.359
even just that, everything we've been seeing play out right
1379
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:39.840
the Department of War releases, in my opinion, your scenes
1380
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:50.640
continued flexing of the different factions within that space that
1381
01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:56.399
are pro disclosure, pro control disclosure, and I think behind
1382
01:14:56.399 --> 01:15:00.000
the scenes that there are people on all different side
1383
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:05.000
of that, you know, in those different factions that are
1384
01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:10.640
competing for whatever their their narrative is is saying right,
1385
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:14.880
And so that's one complex aspect of it. The other is,
1386
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:18.560
to what extent is the phenomenon influencing that process as well.
1387
01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:21.840
And what would would you say that there are some
1388
01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:27.520
public facing elements who appear to be you know, friends
1389
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:32.359
of disclosure quote unquote, but but may not be, or
1390
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:34.600
they may be steering it in ways that are much
1391
01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:36.560
narrow more narrowly defined.
1392
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:42.880
I'm sure there are. I mean there has to be, right,
1393
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:47.479
there has to be somebody acting within that interest. So
1394
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.520
I to to what end? And you know, what is
1395
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.800
their ultimate goal? I don't know, but at this point
1396
01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:57.359
it seems like excuse me that the writings on the wall, right,
1397
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:02.359
it's just a matter of time. So I guess it's
1398
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:05.760
they're probably more competing for you know what, what is
1399
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:07.199
going to be the narrative?
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01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:14.720
Yeah, did you one of the other of you, either
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01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:18.640
Darren or James, did you have a question for one
1402
01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:20.680
of your triumvirate of colleagues here?
1403
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:25.279
I'll take that as a no.
1404
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:28.640
Okay, Well, and did you call out to my ancestors
1405
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:29.520
when you were in Wales?
1406
01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:33.520
I tried, I did. I did visit a couple of castles,
1407
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.159
and actually I have some Welsh heritage as well, which
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01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:40.319
I wasn't fully aware of, but I do. So Yeah,
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01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:45.399
it's truly beautiful. I actually I think fell more in
1410
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.720
love with Wales than I had before. So yeah, it's
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01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:54.399
a lovely land. Well I have another Oh yeah, let
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01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:57.439
me address this question. And I did address it in
1413
01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.439
the chat, but sometimes I think people think it's you
1414
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.319
and not me and chat. So I have done some
1415
01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:04.880
of the Gateway tapes, but I'm not familiar with the workbook,
1416
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:09.319
so I'd be curious to know more about that. Yeah,
1417
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:16.840
I'm a little bit familiar with the Gateway material and James.
1418
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:18.479
You know, we had a James and Darren and I
1419
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.359
we had a little show about that probably three years ago. Now,
1420
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:26.680
the Gateway experience, the tapes, and I mean I recommend them,
1421
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:29.640
but I think I echo what we've talked about just
1422
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:31.840
moments ago, and that's you know, you kind of need
1423
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:34.880
to prepare for what you're doing, to careful what you're
1424
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.720
stepping into. Well, if they don't have a question, I
1425
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.920
have another question. If you don't mind, unless you want no.
1426
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.399
Yeah, I've got one, but I'd rather get your yours
1427
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:46.920
in so you don't forget yours, and then I'll go
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01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:48.840
with mine. But I've got something that just popped in
1429
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:51.600
my head for all three three of you are basically
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01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:52.159
all of us.
1431
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.239
This is one that I have a reaction to you
1432
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:55.680
every time I see it in the community. And I'm
1433
01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:58.479
just curious what your all's thoughts are on this. So
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01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.920
we saw this when Neildigrass Tyson you know, came out
1435
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:04.520
and more in favor of UFOs. You know, there was
1436
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:08.000
this huge like march I think or pushed to try
1437
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:10.680
to crucify neilgrass Tyson for all the things he's ever
1438
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.119
done against the disclosure movement. But we see something similar
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01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:19.640
with Michael Schumer's appointment to the the whatever what are
1440
01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:21.880
they calling the group. There's some some support group led
1441
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:25.680
by Alvi Lobe, you know that this this you know,
1442
01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:29.199
deep deep skeptic who's ridiculed and said some very mean
1443
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:32.520
things about people, including David Grush, is now part of
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01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:35.199
this review board or you know, advisory panel. That's the
1445
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:37.800
way the term they describe it. I'm just curious, what
1446
01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:39.520
are your thoughts on this because and I think it's
1447
01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:42.840
important question because we we've got a lot of folks
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01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:46.600
who have been ardent skeptics of this topic. I would
1449
01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:49.640
say they they they they're your friends, that your family,
1450
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:51.399
they're your neighbors. You know that there are a lot
1451
01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:53.760
of people who don't believe any of this stuff, and
1452
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:56.439
so at some point, if we're we're serious about all
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01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:57.960
this and this is really going to come to fruition
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01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:00.439
and be public knowledge and be a thing, you know,
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01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:01.800
there's got to be a room at the table for
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01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:04.039
those people, right, So they have a room the table
1457
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:06.439
for the Neil grass Tyson's and the Michael Schrmer. So
1458
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:09.520
what are your thoughts on the community's reaction to their
1459
01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:14.279
you know, sort of involvement, engagement or or turnaboutism on
1460
01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:16.720
the subject. You know, how do you feel about it?
1461
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:18.119
And do you how do you think would be the
1462
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:20.720
right what's the what's the right approach to people like
1463
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:23.000
that when they finally come around to understanding that this
1464
01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:23.880
may be true.
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01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:28.720
I mean, I think we have to be understanding. I
1466
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.880
do think that the criticisms against them have been earned
1467
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.720
and they need to they need to eat it because
1468
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:40.079
they put it out right, so just straightforward, Yeah, they
1469
01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:44.199
earn that. So at the same time, we do have
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01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:47.920
to come from a place of understanding and say, in
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01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:52.760
some level, we're all we've all been there before, right
1472
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:58.000
in different capacities. Right, if we're all truly, you know,
1473
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:02.680
fractals of like the universal source, their reflections of us
1474
01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:07.000
in one way or another. And again, you know, to
1475
01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:08.760
to what you were saying is, yeah, you know, if
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01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:11.520
we are truly going to really open this up to everybody,
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01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.640
then we have to willingly, you know, welcome them in.
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01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.520
I think people feel burned by them, right, and that's
1479
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:23.840
reasonable because you know, some of the the meaning behavior
1480
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:27.920
they displayed was hurtful to people. You know, understandably they
1481
01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:36.119
you know, it was unthoughtful, discompassionate. Uh So that that's
1482
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:40.319
totally earned, right and hopefully it's a it's a learning
1483
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:43.880
process for everybody. But again, if if we are truly
1484
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:45.840
going to open it up to everybody, that that means
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01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:46.279
them too.
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01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:49.600
So I have I said to.
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01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:55.880
And and I do have to say, I believe I
1488
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:59.359
saw an act. He publicly apologized for his comments on
1489
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:04.079
David Brush. So and that's you know, and respect for
1490
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:08.439
that right, and I hope to see more of that
1491
01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:13.720
because I mean, I have to be quite honest when, ah,
1492
01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:16.640
what what I'm thinking of the term here? When when
1493
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.520
Gary Nolan roasted Neil de grasse Tyson, I thought it
1494
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:23.520
was beautiful. I was waiting to see that since I
1495
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:27.880
was reading about James Masters in American Cosmic just flaming
1496
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:33.039
uh skeptics. I mean again, that was just like my
1497
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:40.319
inner child I thought, I thought that was warranted. Yeah,
1498
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:42.560
but again it's at the same time, it's it's a
1499
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:46.880
sign of the time to see people even that far
1500
01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:50.520
deep on the skeptics side, like coming around, right, I mean, like,
1501
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:53.479
what does that say about where we are now? I
1502
01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:58.199
think that's what people have to kind of appreciate that, Like, Wow,
1503
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:03.800
if these people, like the hardest of skeptics are coming
1504
01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:10.960
around and opening their mind to the possibility, right, or
1505
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:14.720
the willingness at least to participate, that says a lot, right,
1506
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:19.199
And people may be suspicious of what their motives are,
1507
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.079
And again that's warranted, and they'll have to earn people's respect.
1508
01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:26.279
I only ever asked James if people approach the topic
1509
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:29.359
with honesty, it doesn't mean that we all have to agree.
1510
01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:30.960
It doesn't mean we all have to come to the
1511
01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:35.359
same conclusion. If there's a conclusion. But for Schirmer to
1512
01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:38.600
say something like and I'm gonna have to paraphrase you,
1513
01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:41.159
guys might have to actually help me out. But the tweet,
1514
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:43.960
I responded to as he was saying, well, clearly the
1515
01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:48.239
Vaticans said that they didn't have any any UFO file,
1516
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:51.560
so obviously they don't. And I was like, hey, Mike,
1517
01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:54.680
you know, like by that standard, it wasn't a couple
1518
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:57.439
of years ago the US was saying, and you know,
1519
01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:02.039
even what's that guy's name, that Sean something.
1520
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.640
Or other, who is the Searn Kirkpatrick, Sean.
1521
01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:06.800
Kat You're saying, yeah, yumps are we don't have anything?
1522
01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:10.640
So does that mean that they don't because clearly Diana
1523
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:15.119
Pasolka and her colleague Timothy Taylor whatever his name is
1524
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:17.720
in real life, they went to the Vatican and they
1525
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:18.760
looked at archives.
1526
01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:19.640
There are things there.
1527
01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:25.359
So it's a very disingenuous and not intellectually intelligent argument
1528
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:28.439
to say, well, because the Vatican said there's nothing there,
1529
01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:32.000
well that settles that then, because nobody would ever be
1530
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:35.359
deceptive on whether or not they have information about UFOs.
1531
01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.199
We know that everyone's completely transparent about this.
1532
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:38.800
Okay.
1533
01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:40.800
I wanted to chime in a little bit on this.
1534
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:44.359
First of all, the Vatican probably would to take the
1535
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:47.520
approach having you know, I was raised Catholic, by the way,
1536
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.039
that it wasn't a UFO it was something godly, so
1537
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:51.640
that might.
1538
01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:55.680
Be their little right. I mean they're gonna say angels, yeah,
1539
01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:57.199
different terminologies.
1540
01:23:57.439 --> 01:23:59.880
That might be how they escaped answering that. But they
1541
01:23:59.880 --> 01:24:04.800
are are also publicly saying that they would totally accept aliens.
1542
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.319
They're one of the first religious groups to have done that.
1543
01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:13.039
But I just I wanted to give my perspective when
1544
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.279
I saw that he was appointed to that, and when
1545
01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:22.359
I heard about the book by very skeptical scientists, My
1546
01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:28.239
my feeling is, why do people respect them as voices
1547
01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:31.199
in this topic? Like That's what bothers me, Like why
1548
01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:34.000
was he selected to be a part of that committee
1549
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:39.600
for the government, Like why him? Like we I agree
1550
01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:41.720
that we all should be at the table.
1551
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:42.399
Would do not?
1552
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:49.840
We need contrasts. I just don't understand why people are
1553
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:55.199
given them that due respect that is not due to them.
1554
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:59.840
So I agree, I agree to the Vatican, you know,
1555
01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:06.119
the Vaticans top demonologists. You know, Monsignor Balducci was very
1556
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:10.920
vocal in the nineteen nineties. As you know, he participated
1557
01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:15.359
in the Disclosure Project. You know, via Paola Harris, who
1558
01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:19.079
speaks Italian, was able to interview him, and he was
1559
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:26.640
very vocal about the possibility of extraterrestrials visiting humanity, and
1560
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:30.880
actually that that whole idea of the hierarchy of beings
1561
01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:34.119
he described in a nineteen nineties interview saying, you know,
1562
01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:38.680
humans are probably kind of low on the total totem
1563
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:42.520
pole of cosmic hierarchy, and you know, and being you know,
1564
01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:47.560
advanced extraterrestrials, and then what people would consider angels and
1565
01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:52.439
and you know, so on so. And he had said
1566
01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:55.880
to somebody that I would not be able to be
1567
01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:59.119
publicly talking like this if I didn't get the okay
1568
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.279
from Papa, Hey, the Pope. So there were some kind
1569
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:06.800
of you know, wink and nod in this direction about
1570
01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:13.680
non human intelligence ets extraterrestrials, and the Catholic Church kind
1571
01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:20.600
of being aware even in some aspects of it being supportive.
1572
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:26.079
Of My whole point, Paison, is that them asking, I mean,
1573
01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:29.199
the Vatican is obviously a state, you know, it's country.
1574
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.159
You could ask any number of countries and they would
1575
01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:36.520
give you that answer. So it's not an entirely intellectually
1576
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.760
honest argument to say because they said, we don't know
1577
01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:41.600
anything about it, we have no files.
1578
01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:43.880
Well, the British would say the same.
1579
01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:46.079
We would have said the same, and then we could
1580
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:48.560
just go down the rolodecks of countries. That's all I'm
1581
01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:52.000
saying to Michael. So it wasn't a very I don't
1582
01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:54.199
know if he really thought that one out before.
1583
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.399
He said it, as if no government has ever been
1584
01:26:57.439 --> 01:26:58.800
deceptive about UFOs.
1585
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:01.560
Well, yeah, and then I mean, what if you ask
1586
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:06.239
the Vatican about levitating saints. You know it's in there, right,
1587
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:07.039
So I don't know.
1588
01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:10.800
Yeah, or you know Fatima, Yeah.
1589
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:13.720
I know, Diana has talked at length about this. Let's
1590
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.359
get Darren in here and then we'll go to Akashi.
1591
01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:21.239
Okay, so let me address the Vatican piece a bit,
1592
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:23.359
and then I'll go to the thing about who's on
1593
01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:24.359
this council.
1594
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:26.359
Yeah, the Vatican piece.
1595
01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:29.239
I would want to bring in here a refrain that
1596
01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:33.039
Nathan and I often raise unlimited frames, which is to say,
1597
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:36.399
when we say something like the government knows, we should
1598
01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:38.399
be clear that if we say that, we mean a
1599
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:42.199
tiny fraction of the government. Right, most people in the
1600
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:45.119
government do not know. Most people in the Vatican do
1601
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:45.640
not know.
1602
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:46.079
Right.
1603
01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:48.079
The people who are aware of this and deal with
1604
01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:50.279
this kind of stuff. It's a very elite group within
1605
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:50.760
the Vatican.
1606
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:52.119
And the same thing with NASA.
1607
01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:55.279
Right, people say NASA knows, right, They as if they're
1608
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.279
going to see someone who works in NASA at fairly
1609
01:27:57.279 --> 01:27:59.840
low level and say you, how could you be part
1610
01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:01.600
of this, you know, conspiracy of lies.
1611
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:03.399
I mean, that's not the way it works.
1612
01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:06.000
And you know, across all these different organizations, we have
1613
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:09.000
to be aware that there's many slices within those organizations.
1614
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:12.199
It's interesting though, because.
1615
01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:14.840
Inevitably this is something we talk a lot about in
1616
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:17.680
liminal frames, because Nathan and I both have a religious
1617
01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:21.199
background and have studied in academia, that inevitably this is
1618
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:24.399
the same topic. Right, This is the same topic, and
1619
01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:27.760
you see it really clearly when you pay close attention
1620
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:31.720
to what was being talked about, the interbreeding that was happening,
1621
01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:35.239
you know, in ancient history. I remember one time my
1622
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:37.359
friend Stuart Davis was trying to find out from his
1623
01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:40.079
parents if they had had encounters, right, because he's had
1624
01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:43.479
encounters with mantis being speaking of them, and his mom
1625
01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:45.840
finally said, okay, well, I guess there was the angel.
1626
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:47.680
And he's like, what do you mean the angel? And
1627
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:49.800
she's like, and then she described it and she basically
1628
01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:52.520
described a light being right, but she called it an
1629
01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:58.239
angel because that's the only nomenclature she had available. So so,
1630
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:00.680
so much of this comes down to again our cultural
1631
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:04.840
expectation or interpretation of what these things are over time.
1632
01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:08.239
And I have no doubt that some aspects of the
1633
01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:11.680
Vatican at a really high level are aware that this
1634
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:16.720
is much more complex, and they themselves also have again,
1635
01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:21.000
sometimes with the right kind of goal in mind, and
1636
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:23.880
sometimes as a kind of way of controlling people, right,
1637
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:24.720
they will.
1638
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:25.319
Hide what they know.
1639
01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:29.359
So now to this point that you know, Michael Shermer
1640
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.000
speaking of you the Vatican and they said they don't
1641
01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:34.560
have it, so I guess that's it. Something that people
1642
01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:37.359
like Michael Shermer have not clearly been aware of is
1643
01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:42.319
the level of declassification that is required here. How much
1644
01:29:42.359 --> 01:29:45.600
of this has been completely squirrelled away in classification files,
1645
01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:48.960
and they seem completely unaware of that. And this is
1646
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:50.600
something that Nathan and I have addressed as well. That
1647
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.199
really rude awakening that I think anyone will have to
1648
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:57.239
go through as a part of disclosure is recognizing how
1649
01:29:57.279 --> 01:30:01.399
much we have been lied to, like consistently as a
1650
01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:05.039
kind of policy for decades and decades and decades, and
1651
01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:06.720
so these people who are kind of coming from the
1652
01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:10.359
halls of power, these scientific figures, who are kind of
1653
01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:13.199
like the priests of the modern age, they assume they've
1654
01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:16.000
had access to these things, right, they assume that they are,
1655
01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:19.880
for instance, working with our most up to date scientific understanding.
1656
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:20.920
I don't think we are right.
1657
01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:23.760
I think there's evidence that back in the fifties there
1658
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.039
were breakthroughs that happened, and to some degree there's been
1659
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:29.239
this encouragement of a red herring, and people have been
1660
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:32.399
chasing string theory and things when clearly there's something going
1661
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:34.720
in a different direction. And not only has that been
1662
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:36.720
a kind of bait and switch, and they've been encouraged
1663
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:40.000
to pursue avenues that have not been that fruitful. Right,
1664
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:42.479
there have not been that many breakthroughs actually the last
1665
01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:45.760
few decades. But in the black what is actually happening,
1666
01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:47.880
what is known there, and how much has that been
1667
01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:52.920
classified again under the really general rubric of national security. Now,
1668
01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:55.760
last thing I want to say about Michael Schrmer. I
1669
01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:57.479
think something I like to bring up a lot is
1670
01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:01.359
that when we talk about how we're going to prepare
1671
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:06.079
society right for this disclosure. And again the question that
1672
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.319
Nathan and I address all the time is what is
1673
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:10.439
the disclosing, Like, what are you disclosing?
1674
01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:10.680
Right?
1675
01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:13.680
Is it just that aliens are real in you mean
1676
01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:14.600
space aliens?
1677
01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:14.840
Right?
1678
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.079
And are they We're going to stretch into how they
1679
01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:21.319
may have engineered humankind, you know, the way the inter
1680
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:24.560
reading has been happening, the hybridization campaign, the fact that
1681
01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:26.760
they could show up at any time and limitate you
1682
01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:28.159
out of your bed, Like, are we ready to have
1683
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:29.439
that societal conversation?
1684
01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:29.840
Right?
1685
01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:33.279
So sometimes people I think a bit naively say we're ready,
1686
01:31:33.319 --> 01:31:35.479
Come on, just say it, right, aliens are real, That's
1687
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:36.239
not such a big deal.
1688
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:38.399
But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Right.
1689
01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:42.279
But to this point, we are going to have to
1690
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:45.199
recognize that there are different people working at different stages
1691
01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:48.880
of consciousness, with different interpretations of reality, different models of
1692
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:52.319
reality altogether they're working with and we will need people
1693
01:31:52.399 --> 01:31:55.479
that serve as kind of translation layers for each of
1694
01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:59.600
those groups. And so I understand that if we're going
1695
01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.079
to a full society, like for instance, in the United
1696
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:05.520
States right now, there are three distinct worldviews or stages
1697
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:08.079
of consciousness that are online, right, so you have kind
1698
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:11.560
of traditional, modern and postmodern online all at the same time,
1699
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:14.199
and that actually is feeding the tribalism and the culture
1700
01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:18.359
wars we're having. So for those people to make sense
1701
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.239
of this and begin to grock it, they're going to
1702
01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:23.239
have to have it translated into language they understand. Is
1703
01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:24.640
that going to be comprehensive.
1704
01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:24.880
No?
1705
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:27.439
Is it going to be sometimes leading the astray of
1706
01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:30.439
what it actually is. Yes, but it's still a process
1707
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:33.560
we have to go through. So this translation process, I
1708
01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:35.600
think is something we really need to give a lot
1709
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:39.319
of thought to because we're at that point. We're at
1710
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:41.319
this point where people are going to have to recognize
1711
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:43.239
this is real. Like all of us who've been in
1712
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:46.199
this for years, and like Nathan said, James, I remember
1713
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:48.119
you and I had conversations when you would be doing
1714
01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:51.119
the stuff back in twenty ten on Facebook, and you'd like,
1715
01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:54.520
maybe hear one obscure article every six months, right, not
1716
01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:55.359
what we're having now.
1717
01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:56.560
It's like an avalanche.
1718
01:32:56.920 --> 01:32:59.119
So yes, we want to do this right, but we
1719
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:02.920
also need to say, Okay, this is incredibly discombobulating. Right,
1720
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:06.039
This changes our understanding of our history, the nature of reality,
1721
01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:08.439
where we are in the totem Pole, right, So we
1722
01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:11.880
need to have different people at different layers to translate
1723
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.159
to different people groups. And because people will first and
1724
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.920
foremost always want to try to understand this based on
1725
01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:21.159
the paradigm of reality they're currently working with, and only
1726
01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:23.399
when that is exhausted and they realize that it can't
1727
01:33:23.439 --> 01:33:26.760
fit will they be open to expanding and even transcending
1728
01:33:26.840 --> 01:33:29.399
that world to you. So this is a very complicated season.
1729
01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:30.399
We're about to enter.
1730
01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:32.279
Humans like boxes.
1731
01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:36.079
Darren Jaron was saying, like, I remember when the O'Hare
1732
01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:40.279
airport incident happened, and like, you know, we're thinking, like,
1733
01:33:40.319 --> 01:33:46.800
holy shit, this is disclosure. Yeah, like just you know,
1734
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:51.720
and the citizen's hearing right, and the UFO and nuke's
1735
01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:54.439
had a national Press Club conference I believe it was
1736
01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:58.399
in twenty ten as well, And I mean I thought
1737
01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:01.880
that was just the biggest deal man, and it felt like, wow, man,
1738
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:04.439
we're on the bird or something. And it was right.
1739
01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:07.760
It ultimately took us to where we were now. But man, yes,
1740
01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:08.760
it's been a right.
1741
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:13.359
Akashi. Want to get you to weigh in on this.
1742
01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:17.359
And by the way, thank you Ford, thank you Olivettio
1743
01:34:17.479 --> 01:34:18.720
for tuning in from Italy.
1744
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:21.600
It's three am in Italy. He's in his RV watching
1745
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:23.439
calling all beings, So thank you very much.
1746
01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:24.119
Uh.
1747
01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:27.199
And after Akashi, we're going to go with which entity
1748
01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:29.880
do you want to have dinner with the why? So Nathan?
1749
01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:33.319
You know, get ready all right, Tokashi? Did you want
1750
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:34.560
to tackle this topic about it?
1751
01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:35.279
Yeah?
1752
01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:36.279
Please?
1753
01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:39.960
Yeah? And it's like, can we get a nameen, because.
1754
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:43.000
This is exactly I can't believe you didn't throw that
1755
01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:48.079
one in there, because so for so long, you know, lies,
1756
01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:50.800
lifes take a long time to develop, and lies take
1757
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:52.520
even longer to unwraute.
1758
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:56.039
It's been lied to for so long. We're back to
1759
01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:58.520
the brain, right, and how the brain is processing all
1760
01:34:58.520 --> 01:34:59.000
this stuff.
1761
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:08.239
Expectation not met rewrite, Expectation not met rewrite, which leads
1762
01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:13.520
to the man where nobody cares as the apathy, it's.
1763
01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:17.560
A you know it'll never happen, you know, so.
1764
01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:20.840
We gotta step back and make sure that we look
1765
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:25.359
at you know, will they put the people in charge?
1766
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:29.319
And nothing personal against anybody that's been a sign for anything.
1767
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:32.600
But if you have all these lies that are raveled in,
1768
01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:35.039
are you really going to put like the rogue like
1769
01:35:35.119 --> 01:35:37.560
people are going to go yeah, we're going to break
1770
01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:40.439
through this and we're gonna get it, not necessarily. So
1771
01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.239
these are lies that have taken a long time. I
1772
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:46.399
mean they're still trying to convince this roswell was a balloon.
1773
01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:49.439
You know, we have the phoenix lights. Oh no, that's
1774
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:54.239
all bs. Every time it gets the narrative gets rewritten
1775
01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:56.359
for us, and I think it's just landing.
1776
01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:59.880
They want us all broken up. They want every group.
1777
01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.439
To be binary, either your one very extreme side or
1778
01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:06.800
the absolute other, and nobody meets in the middle. They
1779
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:09.159
don't want us to meet in the middle because them
1780
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.880
were actually effective. So that's that's kind of where it's like,
1781
01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:17.479
I gotta be careful and who they you know, do
1782
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.800
we disagree? Yes, who knows what these some of these
1783
01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:22.960
people are being told that we don't know because the
1784
01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:26.520
information is all broken up in twenty thousand pieces to
1785
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:28.560
where the puzzle's.
1786
01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:29.960
Almost impossible to put back together.
1787
01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:32.439
So that's that's kind of where I but I totally
1788
01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:34.000
one hundred percent agree with you guys.
1789
01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.760
It's like they're controlling us their lies.
1790
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:42.159
Is that he I'm sorry, go ahead, I.
1791
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:44.560
Was just thinking of Condon. They picked the wrong person
1792
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.199
to run that he didn't even read the report.
1793
01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:49.880
Oh well, you know it was so old.
1794
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:53.840
That's what they wanted, right, They want that that.
1795
01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:54.479
That's what they want.
1796
01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:56.800
And I'm not saying that that's what they're doing now,
1797
01:36:56.920 --> 01:37:01.600
but history tells you something. You know, are they going
1798
01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:03.960
to just unravel everything and say open kimono?
1799
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:05.439
I don't think so.
1800
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:08.479
But this is where you start to see the little
1801
01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:11.720
leaks like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Knight. There's something
1802
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.399
to that where people that have been totally against it
1803
01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:16.479
all of a sudden are like, oh, we'll consider and
1804
01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:19.079
we'll talk about it. Because they're the TV people, They're
1805
01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:21.720
the people that mainstream media is going to hear first.
1806
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:26.119
So it's just a fascinating time to be in the subject.
1807
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:30.079
But you've got to look at everything with totally two
1808
01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:31.600
different sides of your brain.
1809
01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:37.560
If if comparison is the thief of joy, then I
1810
01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:43.399
guess you could say that misinformation is the treasure of
1811
01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:47.720
the manipulators. You know the fact that people don't research,
1812
01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:50.760
you know, that's their treasures. That people won't sort of
1813
01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:53.640
go out, they'll just take whatever the narrative that's given
1814
01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:55.600
to and given to them and it works. So well,
1815
01:37:56.079 --> 01:37:59.560
you know the Clinton Report in the nineties. Oh and
1816
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.079
then like ater on, you know, Storry out with weather bloom,
1817
01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:06.680
then montaloid kids that were unrecognizable, and then the Nazis
1818
01:38:07.000 --> 01:38:09.399
had made this craft and it was that and then
1819
01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:11.800
it's you know, just gone from one thing to another
1820
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:14.840
one clearly the townspeople all, look, who's here?
1821
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:18.359
Oh she missed Kevin. I feel so bad.
1822
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:22.079
Angeley missed Kevin with his black tank top on, and
1823
01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:23.760
he even did a flex backstage.
1824
01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:29.640
Who was ready for you? Ready?
1825
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:33.680
We love Angelie? Thank you for being here. All right?
1826
01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:37.600
So I want to go with this starting with Nathan Nathan,
1827
01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:40.680
and I want Darren and James to fill in if
1828
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:42.520
I've missed any of these. But you know, you could
1829
01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:44.960
be having dinner with You're gonna go out to dinner.
1830
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:49.039
Maybe you're gonna have wings not pancakes this time. It
1831
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:52.119
could be the Grays, it could be the light beings
1832
01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:55.560
that Darren brought brought to our attention, the man kids,
1833
01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:58.079
the Reptilians, the Nordics.
1834
01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:00.880
Who do you want to have dinner with? And why?
1835
01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:01.840
Yeah?
1836
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:05.399
I think for me, I mean, the cheapest dinner date
1837
01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:08.279
would be the Orbs. So I'm gonna go with the Orbs.
1838
01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:12.359
Let's say you're not financially challenged that much.
1839
01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:17.920
You know, I just uh me and the orbs uh,
1840
01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:19.960
and I won't have that problem in sort of the
1841
01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:22.079
dark restaurants where you can't see the menu. They're just
1842
01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:23.960
gonna they'll eliminate that for me.
1843
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:29.720
So that was the best answer. I don't think we're
1844
01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.520
gonna top that answer. Let's go with debs.
1845
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:38.159
Upgrade my answer. Okay, I was with the Grays because
1846
01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:41.000
I have an affection for the Grays, and I know
1847
01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:42.760
that some people have in a version. I don't know
1848
01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:45.279
why I have the affection, but I do. Anyway, I'm
1849
01:39:45.279 --> 01:39:48.079
gonna upgrade to God. Chill with God.
1850
01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:53.880
Okay, dinner dinner with God? Okay, there we go. Excellent.
1851
01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:56.239
I mean it could be like, you know, some sort
1852
01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:59.359
of a you know, meal of like a leg of
1853
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:00.960
lamb or some something like who knows?
1854
01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:02.680
Okay, isn't that what life is?
1855
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:04.439
A leg of lamb?
1856
01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:07.600
Dinner with God?
1857
01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:11.239
That's awesome?
1858
01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:13.840
James, Who are you having dinner with the Why? Which
1859
01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:16.359
which non human intelligence would you want to share a
1860
01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.840
meal with? Don't say me at the paradise either?
1861
01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:23.439
Yeah?
1862
01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:31.840
You know, really like I mean because because again in
1863
01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:35.760
one of my experiences, I was like showing these entities right,
1864
01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:40.359
I don't I don't know if that was really them, right,
1865
01:40:40.479 --> 01:40:43.479
or some kind of representation thereof, So like I would
1866
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:46.760
want to sit down with those beings.
1867
01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:49.399
Right, what they look like?
1868
01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:54.479
Nordics? Right like that? But again I don't know if
1869
01:40:54.479 --> 01:41:00.960
that was actually like a literal representation or something that
1870
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:04.720
was shown to comfort me and so I can make
1871
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:09.880
sense of what was going on. So my I mean,
1872
01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:12.359
my real answer would be to sit down with whoever
1873
01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:17.600
those empathies are. Okay, I have annoying questions.
1874
01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:21.199
Okay, I guess the only obvious question after that is
1875
01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:22.359
what kind of food.
1876
01:41:22.119 --> 01:41:22.800
Would you want to have?
1877
01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:25.319
Indian?
1878
01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:33.000
Okay, I can't go wrong there with a great curry, right, Darren, Darren,
1879
01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:35.880
Which non human intelligence would you want to share a
1880
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:36.319
meal with?
1881
01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:36.880
Why?
1882
01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:41.439
Well, I I could imagine a last supper that would
1883
01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:43.520
be really interesting if you had many of them. But
1884
01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:46.880
outside of that, I would say that I might choose
1885
01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:50.000
the blue beings actually that are often referenced in already
1886
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:53.720
six Clitter Clark's work, because part of the lore there
1887
01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.119
is that there they were at one point to terrestrial
1888
01:41:56.159 --> 01:41:59.359
species of biological you know, kind of species that learned
1889
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:02.520
to trans end into kind of light and they take
1890
01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:05.880
on the form, speaking of James Point of a blue
1891
01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:10.319
humanoid often for our sake. But they can both vacillate
1892
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:13.600
between being a biological being and being something that's purely energetic,
1893
01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:16.159
so they could sit down and have dinner, but also
1894
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:19.199
be able to school us about the energetic realm as well.
1895
01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:20.520
So I think that would be my choice.
1896
01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:23.399
Wow, I love it. The Blue Beings.
1897
01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:25.720
I didn't see that coming, but you had to figure
1898
01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:29.680
Darren wasn't gonna go boiler played here, Akashi Chris, who
1899
01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:32.359
would you what entities would you want to have dinner with? Then?
1900
01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:32.600
Why?
1901
01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:36.199
Well, Darren took my first answer, which was.
1902
01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.960
The Blue Avians because I just I just think there's
1903
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:43.000
something really magical about them. But on my second, I'm
1904
01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:46.039
gonna go I'm a vanilla girl when it comes to
1905
01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:46.680
ice cream.
1906
01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:48.399
Therefore, I'm gonna go.
1907
01:42:48.279 --> 01:42:50.840
With my grays because I want to know if it's
1908
01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:52.079
really us.
1909
01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:54.199
I want to know about all I want to ask him.
1910
01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:56.159
I was like, okay, and I feel like if there
1911
01:42:56.199 --> 01:42:58.760
are us, they're gonna really have some stories to tell,
1912
01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:00.920
So I think they'll be like a big old t
1913
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:04.359
session with the grays.
1914
01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:08.760
I see, and I'm gonna be boilerplate like you, Okashi.
1915
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:12.479
I feel like the grays also, you know, I mean,
1916
01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:16.640
obviously they're kind of like anthropomorphic, you know, the two eyes,
1917
01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:20.600
two legs, you know, two arms, and then that other
1918
01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:23.279
than that, you know, maybe you know, Angelie who's in
1919
01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:27.039
the chat, saw the the manted beings and had a
1920
01:43:27.079 --> 01:43:31.720
good experience with the manted beings, and the Grays were present,
1921
01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:35.680
but they were she believed like the AI types.
1922
01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:37.920
I think so ANGELYI if.
1923
01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:40.680
You're there, if you're still there, I believe it was
1924
01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:44.479
see if she's still in the chat, I believe it
1925
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:49.600
was the manted being that she had the longer interaction with,
1926
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:53.239
So that would probably be my second choice. But yeah,
1927
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:55.560
I think it would be the grays and to try
1928
01:43:55.600 --> 01:44:00.399
to communicate with them. I really feel like that that
1929
01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:04.560
one interaction that was filmed at supposedly Area fifty one
1930
01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:06.920
back in the nineties, I believe that's genuine.
1931
01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:07.880
I believe that's real.
1932
01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:12.159
I believe that creature is having some sort of a
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respiratory episode on camera, and so yeah, it seemed like
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being that we've established communication, would be interesting to ask
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them some questions.
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One last thing, can I say one last thing about
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the Grace that I missed that I didn't think I
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was thinking about this, and I always think about if
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there are future us, did they choose gray? Because that
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was the one thing that was not a conflict. Was
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that an actual like a conscious result of some evolutionary
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scale that what they went through. Hey, these people just
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cannot get along when they're different, therefore making.
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Them all look the same.
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And maybe we'll get to that, you know, that unifying point.
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So that's another thing that it's like, I feel like
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there's a decision behind there, you know, scality what the just.
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Just for people too interested in the Grays. A really
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cool story is you know, Bryce Abel just put up
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on his YouTube channel the Official Denial movie that he
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worked on in the in the nineties. Is a really
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cool thought experiment and people who are familiar with you
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for the Laura will appreciate it and it's it's a
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cool movie.
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Uh, there's Angeley.
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Sorry I didn't pick up on that point, James, but
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Angeley's weighing in the manted yes, and the little Grays
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seemed like droids, The taller ones are totally different biotechs
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I and that's kind of what I remember. It seemed
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like there were the little ones that she said that
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were that that she mentioned she didn't think we're sentient,
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and then the larger ones were.
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But then of.
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Course her her major interaction was with the Mantid being
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that she spent the I don't think it was several
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hours with but anyway, I think the interesting thing about
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the gray, you know, Akashi, is that the meta you know,
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obviously it's very metaphorical for what truth is.
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What truth isn't what life is. It's it's uncertain. It's
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not black and white, it's gray.
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So it's kind of, you know, I'm drawing a little
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bit of a parallel there. The last thing is that
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the one young lady who is part of the UAP
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what do they call them, the UAP group at the
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at the Pentagon helped me out Team Task Force. Thank you, James,
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I owe you slice of pizza anyway, but but now definitely,
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so that young lady was saying that they are here
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and she has a pretty good idea of where they are,
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So Nathan, can can we take.
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That one around?
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And then that'll be our final question unless someone has
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something else. But I'm curious what you think about that,
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that that the hybrids are.
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Here and they're they're among us and so forth.
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Yeah, I think that could be one of the most
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challenging components of disclosure, to acknowledge that there has been
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an interaction, there has been experimentation, there has been this
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development of hybridized beings that walk among us. I think
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that that is a possibility we have to be open
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to go ahead to dubs.
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You know, I always talk about how we're all hybrids
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really are, Like I keep saying, I am so Neanderthal,
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Like I'm exceptionally neanderthal. I think it's it's very hard
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for humans now to grasp that. But we were not
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always the only humanoid beings walking on this planet. And
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that's why it's it's not a big leap for me
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because I actually studied some anthropology. So I think if
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people learn to understand that and grasp it, they might
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be a little it more accepting on this.
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So that's all James H. Hybrids, your thoughts information, that's.
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I mean, that's a tough one.
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I think.
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I remember in rich Dal and Brice Sibil's a d book,
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they were you know, speculating that you know, that can
2005
01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:27.640
that can cause like a cosmic witch hunt, right, and
2006
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:32.039
that whole idea of the twenty three and me or
2007
01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:40.760
whatever the c I A tracking alleged hybrid bloodlines and
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that some people have a greater potency of it. I
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don't I don't doubt that that's true. I probably I
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think that is probably true to some extent. But again,
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01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:54.039
so to what variety, I don't know. Yeah, that would
2012
01:48:54.079 --> 01:49:00.600
be probably very conflicting for a lot of people, right,
2013
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So I that's a heavy one.
2014
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It's a very heavy question, Darren.
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Do you have any information, thoughts, insights on hybrids among us?
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01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:18.840
Well, I would say that the first thing we need
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to do, which has already been brought up, is we
2018
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need to expand the possibility space and reconsider human history
2019
01:49:24.880 --> 01:49:27.439
first of all, right, because we are assuming certain things
2020
01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:30.760
when we ask that question, right, we're assuming a common
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01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:34.239
sort of naturalistic, you know, Darwinian evolution kind of history
2022
01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:36.920
of humankind, and then at some point this bifurcation into
2023
01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:39.840
grays coming in and working with humans and creating hybrids.
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01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:42.920
But I think the very beginning of humankind is wrapped
2025
01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:45.079
up in that enterprise and again some of our ancient
2026
01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:47.560
scriptural traditions I think speak to that, but they were
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01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:50.279
often referred to gods as gods in those cases.
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01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:51.640
So that's the first thing.
2029
01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:56.239
And even you know, people like Joe mcmonagall have remote
2030
01:49:56.319 --> 01:49:59.359
viewed one million years you know ago on Mars and
2031
01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:02.920
this humanoids that he thinks actually came here and we
2032
01:50:03.000 --> 01:50:06.399
became that in that sense, we're all Martians to some degree. Right,
2033
01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:10.359
So I think certainly the human background is much more
2034
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:13.239
complicated than we realize. And again, this is why disclosure
2035
01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:15.520
is so complex, because this is as much about us,
2036
01:50:15.800 --> 01:50:18.199
whether it's us in the future or also where we
2037
01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:20.760
come from and who we are. One of the things
2038
01:50:20.760 --> 01:50:23.760
that I've explored pretty extensively on POC and that Nathan
2039
01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:25.800
and I have also touched on. And I know James
2040
01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:28.640
and I've talked about this before as well, around the
2041
01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:33.640
cut ap pertainment and around certain ethnic backgrounds that seem
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01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:36.479
disproportionately represented amongst experiencers.
2043
01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:37.479
Right, So there's certain.
2044
01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:41.119
Genetic traits that show up disproportionately, right, So that points
2045
01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:45.039
to something that's in the data. Right, So why is
2046
01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:48.319
it that some people with those certain backgrounds seem to
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01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:52.159
be able to access anomalist cognition and an almost perception
2048
01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:57.199
for sure complex stuff. I remember I've had conversations with
2049
01:50:57.279 --> 01:50:59.439
Jeff Kreipel about this. You know, he's a big fan
2050
01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:01.000
of the X Men, and he got a new X
2051
01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:03.079
Men watch the last time I saw him, and we
2052
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:05.159
talked about that part of the X Men plot where
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01:51:05.199 --> 01:51:08.800
basically they become hunted, right because they're mutants. Right, So
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01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:12.520
this is absolutely something that is possibly in the cards. Right,
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01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:14.760
And this has been talked about in our community already,
2056
01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:17.600
that the government probably knows about this, and to some
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01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:19.720
degree these have become targeted people.
2058
01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:20.479
Like James talked about.
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01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:25.039
So what happens when the general population realizes not only
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01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:27.439
that aliens are real, but that some of their neighbors
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01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:29.960
are more alien than others, right, And that we can
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01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:32.960
go to twenty three meter data or ancestry dot com
2063
01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:36.119
and actually prove this right, When we can actually empirically
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show that some capacities seem to be disproportionately online with
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01:51:39.239 --> 01:51:42.640
certain backgrounds more than others, then that's really interesting. And
2066
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last thing I'll say is that I think any of
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us who've been deeply involved in this topic and have
2068
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kind of an obsession with it inevitably kind of becomes
2069
01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:53.800
like the cat chasing its own tail, Like, what is
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01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:56.479
it about my background that makes me research this the
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01:51:56.520 --> 01:51:59.239
way I do? What have I learned about my own capacities?
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01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:02.359
How have those been accentuated over time? And one of
2073
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the ways that you have to think about this, I
2074
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think is that and this is something that came up
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01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:08.880
in the John Mcinstitute work I've done, and it's part
2076
01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:11.439
of the archives material as well, is that you cannot
2077
01:52:11.439 --> 01:52:14.199
talk about the UFO phenomenon without talking about abduction and
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01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:16.640
hybridization right as part of it's wrapped up, and it's
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01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:20.479
a major component. And so this is not all the ruse, right.
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01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:23.000
They are taking people, they are taking genetic material, they
2081
01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:25.880
are doing things with it, right, And so whether those
2082
01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:28.520
hybrids are present on the planet, I think some of
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01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:29.960
them are. I think some of us have been for
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01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:32.920
a long time. I think that there is clear evidence
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01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:36.239
of a multi generational kind of pattern here. And something
2086
01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:39.039
I looked into recently in one of the podcast episodes
2087
01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:42.680
was when we think about the great awakening that's happened
2088
01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:45.800
amongst kind of experiencers over the last ten years, that
2089
01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:48.680
could very much be a remote activation that kind of
2090
01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:51.319
gets flipped in some of the genetics of people that
2091
01:52:51.319 --> 01:52:54.600
are part of this program over generations. And because there
2092
01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:57.399
are many people who not until their forties or fifties
2093
01:52:57.399 --> 01:53:00.720
even realize they've been abductees in contact these how many
2094
01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:02.720
more people have still not discovered that that are actually
2095
01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:04.960
part of that program. So I think this is a
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01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:07.800
massive question with massive repercussions that we're going to have
2097
01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:09.800
to deal with as a society.
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01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:14.359
Has anyone heard of the Venus bloodlines we got from
2099
01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:18.720
Brufos No, I guess not.
2100
01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:19.640
Nobody's heard of that.
2101
01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:23.079
They say men and men are from Mars women or
2102
01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:29.119
from Venus, anyway they would know. Akashi thoughts on that hybrids?
2103
01:53:29.119 --> 01:53:30.079
Did you already weigh in?
2104
01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:32.760
No, not yet, So.
2105
01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:37.479
I s all right, brother, We're This was the last question.
2106
01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:41.520
Thank you, James. I appreciate you. It's it's an honor
2107
01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:44.239
to have all three of you on together. And we'll
2108
01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:46.319
see you soon. We're going to close out after this
2109
01:53:46.319 --> 01:53:46.760
this answer.
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01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:49.000
I appreciate, no problem.
2111
01:53:50.039 --> 01:53:51.960
Thank you, Thank you.
2112
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See you soon. Akashi, go ahead.
2113
01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:00.520
Yeah, I mean I totally believe they exist. I think that,
2114
01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:03.479
you know, I I know some people that are just
2115
01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:07.760
very different than others. Some are very benevolent, some have
2116
01:54:07.960 --> 01:54:10.359
very you know, very wonderful gifts.
2117
01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:14.560
I think some I think not all of them are
2118
01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:17.319
the same. I think, you know, and this is just
2119
01:54:17.439 --> 01:54:18.760
my beliefs, you know.
2120
01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:23.199
But anytime I say something like this doesn't make any sense,
2121
01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:26.079
I start to wonder. It's like, how these how these
2122
01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:30.000
humans that we have the same DNA can be capable.
2123
01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:33.840
Of you know, all these things? Right? Is there some
2124
01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:36.720
control of power being?
2125
01:54:36.880 --> 01:54:39.439
You know, for if you have if you have a
2126
01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:43.000
species that can read minds and control minds, then you
2127
01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:45.479
know that's that's it game, right, because it's like you
2128
01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:47.119
can control the power players.
2129
01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:48.359
And maybe that's why.
2130
01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:52.319
Some decisions make no sense, but I think they would
2131
01:54:53.079 --> 01:54:56.039
just like it happens right now. The difference is bad.
2132
01:54:56.520 --> 01:54:59.000
If something is different, you need to be scared of it.
2133
01:54:59.279 --> 01:55:01.720
I think there's stting it up to do the same thing
2134
01:55:02.199 --> 01:55:06.000
with the term aliens, and that scares me because.
2135
01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:08.600
It's gonna be anything that sets it up to that
2136
01:55:08.720 --> 01:55:09.680
mutant scenario.
2137
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:13.479
Right. If if people are special and they're bad, they
2138
01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:15.840
can you know, they're evil, they're different than you.
2139
01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:17.800
Let's get rid of different.
2140
01:55:18.359 --> 01:55:21.279
Well that's where I start to yeah, go ahead them.
2141
01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:23.720
I don't think they're going to be able to figure
2142
01:55:23.720 --> 01:55:29.760
it out. I really don't. These people can curate, you know,
2143
01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:34.199
the grace right, that's an experiment essentially that if we're
2144
01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:36.800
resulted in an entity that walks around and does what
2145
01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:41.800
it's told to do and not, and we can create
2146
01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:45.720
an entire entity now if we want to, we have
2147
01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:50.079
that capability. So I don't think it's very hard for
2148
01:55:50.159 --> 01:55:52.359
them to make it impossible to tell.
2149
01:55:55.159 --> 01:56:00.720
Yeah, man, this this this topic about hybrids is it's really.
2150
01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:01.960
A fascinating one.
2151
01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:06.439
And I'm hoping at some point it'd be interesting if
2152
01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:09.159
one were identified and we could kind of see what
2153
01:56:09.199 --> 01:56:14.039
the genetic differences are and what kind of disposition that
2154
01:56:14.159 --> 01:56:19.239
they have, and if that's programmed, and how how.
2155
01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:21.039
Biological it is.
2156
01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:25.000
And what you said, Akashi about about the term alien,
2157
01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:26.359
that's a that's a human.
2158
01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:29.960
I mean, in our case, it's an English word. That
2159
01:56:30.119 --> 01:56:32.880
is that can now kind of be weaponized.
2160
01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:37.039
Uh, you know, given the way the world is about
2161
01:56:37.079 --> 01:56:40.600
people from other countries, they use that same term. And
2162
01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:43.560
now if you apply that to someone who's you know,
2163
01:56:43.640 --> 01:56:48.399
from another intelligence, then that that could also shape people's opinions.
2164
01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:50.960
And I think there have been some pretty decent shows
2165
01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:55.359
about that, about how humans would react to another intelligence
2166
01:56:55.359 --> 01:57:00.119
if we had face to face, uh normal regular contact.
2167
01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:02.760
And what that might look like. But anyway, we.
2168
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Got to get out of here. We kept you guys
2169
01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:07.880
for two hours. Like I said, it's a real treat
2170
01:57:08.199 --> 01:57:11.439
to do this. And I don't know how many how
2171
01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:13.600
many months ago was the last time we did this, Nathan,
2172
01:57:13.640 --> 01:57:14.079
do you remember?
2173
01:57:14.520 --> 01:57:14.600
So?
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Yeah?
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Too long? I mean probably at least a year.
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I guess since was it that long ago?
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I'm just taking a stab because everything is longer than
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I always think it is. Let's say, yeah, when I
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think it's six month, is probably a year.
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I was in rehab for my knee and that was done.
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I want to say that was May of twenty five,
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So yeah, we're probably pretty close to that too. Boy,
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it's been a while. We got to not wait wait
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that long before the next one.
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Darren.
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I hope you enjoyed yourself. It was an absolute pleasure
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having you, sir.
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Thank you all was fun. Never a dull moment when
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we come on to you.
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So let's do it again in the future.
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Thank you for the invite.
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You're quite welcome, sir, Debs, thank you, Nathan Akashi. We
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will see you guys tomorrow on my and for There
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will be several cabbys there. I don't know who it's
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gonna be, except I know I'm gonna be there. What
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time is that, Akashi? Can we expect that, I'm mind forked.
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That is at two thirty Central, so three thirty Eastern.
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And yeah, we're gonna have several cabbies there. It's gonna
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be LOUNGEE, it's gonna be fun. We're gonna be talking AI.
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So I'll see you there. Good night, everybody.
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Thank you on behalf of Darren James, Kevin Debs, Akashi
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and Nathan. This is DJ saying peace out, one love
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and we will see you down the road.