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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want that.
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Speaker 2: Give us that.
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Speaker 3: No, no.
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Speaker 1: But it is Friday. Friday, September the 18th, 317.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Big weekend plan. It rained last night, which was good, I guess.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was good.
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Speaker 5: Heavy, heavy thunderstorms in my area.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Really heavy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, ooh. Nothing serious, though, right?
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Speaker 4: No, nothing like that. Nothing. Thankfully.
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Speaker 1: But it sounded, it was starting to sound that way a little bit. I just happened to be up doing some computer, you know, some stuff on my computer and all of a sudden it just started cutting up out there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: The rains.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did. They did. So, um, 317-480-1310. 317-480-1310 is the number to the show. We're going to do a couple of things. We have a very special guest with us right off the top, and then we're going to go to open lines and we can review. But we would also like for you to participate with our guests, because I know a lot of y'all are historians. Y'all know stuff.
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Speaker 4: OK, that's true.
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Speaker 7: They do.
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Speaker 1: So I know they're going to want to be calling in. But we are, you know, very thrilled, very happy, very honored. to be able to have our guest with us. The reason that he is with us today, he has graced us with his presence, is in addition to a whole lot of other things, September is also Gospel Music Heritage Month. Gospel Music Heritage Month. But what do we, you know, it's always a good time to reflect and to think about it. And, you know, what do we really know about gospel music, the journey, the undeniable influences, even though I'm kind of shading that a little bit, the undeniable influences, the greats, and a whole lot more. And joining us now is one of our own. He also happens to be a Gospel Music Hall of Famer. He is Adrian Warren by day. Well, yeah.
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Speaker 7: I'm always him.
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Speaker 1: He's a general sales manager for the Indianapolis stations of Radio 1. But he is also a 2025, is that correct, inductee into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame. And there's a reason for that, as you all are about to find out. First of all, welcome. Welcome back. You've been with us before.
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Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, Tina. From one Hall of Famer to another.
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Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know.
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Speaker 7: Congratulations.
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Speaker 1: Mine is still sinking in a little bit. Thank you. And congratulations to you. Yours is very new.
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Speaker 7: It is very new. And to some degree, still yet sinks in. Right. Even when they emailed me to be a part of it, to, well, To be a part. Actually, I technically could have been a part of the 2024 induction class, but I came at the back end and then them letting me know, hey, we're just going to move forward with the team and make you a part of the 2025 induction class was like, wow. In my mind, I feel like I'm running ahead of you, but in my mind, I... just to get the call or to get the text and the information, it was very surreal, which I'm sure you feel the same way because it makes you then become reflective. Right. In terms of Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now what? What y'all want now?
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Speaker 7: You know, Hall of Fame sounds so, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It almost indicates a completion of something as opposed to, Because we're both still working on, you know, ongoing. And there were a lot of people in the Broadcasting Hall of Fame that are still working. But, you know, it kind of is an exclamation point for the most part at the end of a career.
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Speaker 7: Correct. And whether that's posthumously or, you know, to the point of retirement. And when I think about it, there were two people who were inducted that same night. who were very instrumental to my career. Al the Bishop Hops posthumously received his award. And then there's a lady named Vicky Latiyad. And Vicky Latiyad is the person who helped found Gospel Centric Records. So Gospel Centric Records, we think about people like Kirk Franklin, Kirk Carr. They owe their careers to that label. And at a point in my career, I... had a chance to work with gospel centric. And then even when we were purchased by Sony, um, I did some contract work, um, still associated with the label under the Sony umbrella. So, um, to me, I feel two significant people who have been a part of my career to not only be inducted, but then to be inducted at the timing for those people. In fact, um, Al's family couldn't make it and they actually asked me to accept his award on their behalf. What an honor. No, really was an honor. Just walking and standing in that moment Just making sure I even honored everything that I was. You know, when you think about who he was to the Indianapolis community, who he was to WTLC, who he was to the Gospel Announcers Guild of the Gospel Music Workshop of America, and then who he was to Gospel Music, to who he was to the Stellar Awards. You know, to who he was just for his own label in and of itself and the people's career he helped launch. He was just a multifaceted individual. And to me, I was like, wow, I'm being inducted with people that shoulders in which I'm built on.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: And you sit back and think clearly. I don't think that my work has been as comparative, right? But, you know, for whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, it was quite significant because you're in there and, you know, quite deserving. But you were celebrated or you have been celebrated for much of your behind the scenes.
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Speaker 7: Correct.
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Speaker 1: Contributions to gospel music as opposed to, I mean, you don't have any albums out.
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Speaker 7: A lot of people, yeah. You know, I minister in my local, and even in my current local church, I'm not singing now. I used to sing.
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Speaker 1: You used to sing?
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Do you have any records out or any records out?
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Speaker 7: So I have sung on records, but because I've been a part of the group or the collaborative or behind the scenes, people don't know. I mean, and I have sang some things professionally, um, You know, I can list opportunities.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I wish I'd known. I could have had it.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or even help to produce shows. So to your point, though, the reason why I was inducted was because I did, I have helped the forward movement of gospel music.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Largely.
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Speaker 7: And that's largely my biggest contribution, which has been a big contribution.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: But, you know.
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Speaker 1: You know so much about it, though. You know it all. You know, the knowledge that you displayed the last time you were here was just jaw-dropping.
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Speaker 7: Right, absolutely. Actually, since I've been here, I trademarked the name, The Gospel Encyclopedia. Oh, you did? I trademarked it, yeah.
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Speaker 8: Okay.
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Speaker 7: Because.
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Speaker 9: Hall of Fame worthy.
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Speaker 7: Because of that. But I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: No, no. You know, for.
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Speaker 1: We talk about it, we say it, but okay, for those who just might be tuning in and might not know, exactly what is gospel music?
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 7: So to me, that's two-part. I figured you would ask that question, right? I do believe that gospel music in and of itself as a genre is a genre that celebrates faith-based music. and the rich cultural history in America. I think when you think about the gospel music industry, however, it's the monetization of that. And I think the gospel music is a very unique genre in that not only is it a genre that is appreciated just for the value that it brings, but because it is attached to our faith, it is attached to the way we believe. It now anchors often how we interact with faith or our higher power or God or whatever. And that becomes something much different.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 7: It's incorporated in our worship services. So it goes beyond the monetization of an industry. And then I think about even the last time that I was here, we started off with gospel music from its days as just being field cold songs, right? And its evolution and involved to the chord structure in the song formation that we understand it to be today, right?
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Speaker 1: But you took me back even further. I'm going to remind you, you took me back even further because you said gospel music is our, and I'm paraphrasing, Our history of being here, it gets back to slavery.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, colts on it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, colts on it. I mean, it is our history in America, I guess, what we call the United States of America, because that's what it was. You say it defines our history. Without gospel music, we have no history.
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Speaker 7: Right, absolutely. When you think about it, they were taking... things that were being said to them or taught to them by the slave master, if you will, from a faith-based perspective, right? And they were using some of those phrasing to help create a language amongst themselves, right? And then from there, you know, the slave master, if you will, thought that they were just selfless what had been shared. not realizing that they were saying, hey, we're going to go on up yonder. He thought they were talking about heaven. And they were talking about going to the north, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 7: And so, yeah. And then I think as we then evolve music, it leaves us and it comes back. And here's what I mean by that, right? You have people like Thomas Dorsey, right, who's recognized. as the father of gospel music, but you got to think he was technically a jazz musician, right. Who in tragedy, um, wrote a song of the heart and a song of faith, you know, precious Lord, take my hand. Um, which then infuses the sound of gospel music, which wasn't current of the day because he was using jazz chords. He was using his formation, his experience to tell a story.
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Speaker 1: And you say not always accepted.
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Speaker 7: And not always accepted. But if you think about now, when we listen to Precious Lords, we cannot imagine that that was not traditional gospel, right?
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: Because as we've evolved, what was once forward becomes traditional. You know, I think about the Andre Crouches or the Winans who were very cutting edged in their day. But now when you hear Andre Crouch song, you can't tell me that people don't revere that as anchoring gospel music, right? And I'm sure as we continue to progress and as music continues to evolve, as we evolve, there are things that we will look back at and be like, oh, why were we even tripping? I mean, we look at that even with Kirk. When we look at the breadth of Kirk's career, there were things that were technically just outrageous. But now there are such staples, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's take a look back or a listen back in– In terms of what you, and you can describe what you were saying, if you can. Let's listen to a couple of the first song here.
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Speaker 4: Sure.
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Speaker 9: All down through the years, the Lord's been good to me.
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Speaker 7: Down through the years, the Lord's been good to me.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that is an example of what? Because I can see that possibly being a field song down through the coded.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would definitely say it started off as being a field song, right? Because it had the rhythm and it was talking about the celebration of God. But if you think about it, even though it's evolved a little bit, its core is from lining a hymn, right?
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 7: And if you think about within our tradition, you start thinking about Charge to Keep I Have. You start thinking about those things that are birthed from a Baptist tradition when they lined hymns. All they did do for that was make it a little bit more commercial for purchasing, right? But that's where that song probably would have come from.
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Speaker 1: Okay, the next one. How would you describe this one?
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Speaker 7: It's another day's journey, and I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad.
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Speaker 6: I'm glad.
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Speaker 7: I'm glad. I'm glad.
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Speaker 1: It's another day's journey, and I'm glad. I'm glad.
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Speaker 7: Again, first of all, that's a song that right now you can't tell anybody that that's not traditional gospel music. But if you listen to the chord structure of that, that would have been birthed from somebody who started off in jazz or jazz or blues.
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Speaker 1: It's got a bluesy.
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Speaker 7: It has a very blues and goes back to the whole storytelling, right? And they were telling a story. And I think what we found was ways to tell our story based upon our music exposure. And that was what was happening in the code song. We were telling a story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you talk about the monetization and the money, you know, eventually. And I was surprised to find out that this next song is the most recorded song in gospel music history. Do you know what it is before we play it?
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Speaker 7: I do not know. I'll be very interested to hear it.
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Speaker 1: The most recorded. Now, you know, there's always what the best or the most, but this one has been recorded more than any other song in gospel music history.
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Speaker 7: I can't wait to hear it. Are they just making that gospel or are they, are they using it as CCM and all of that as well?
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Speaker 1: I have no idea. That was just, but you know what, when I looked a little further, um, It crossed cultures.
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's cross-cultures.
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Speaker 1: So that crossover appeal is probably what led to the designation as the most recorded song.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, because I can see that song being.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, it was I'll Fly Away.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll Fly Away, which is obviously what? A church hymn, right? Again, which, like I say, goes through the whole industry and the monetization of the fact that we have things that are part of our traditional worship services. But you got to think, I'll Fly Away is a hymn That is probably being sung in Southern gospel churches, very CCM and orientation churches, obviously gospel in and of itself. So it kind of goes within all genres with respect to how it's being sung or played.
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Speaker 1: So what is it about our gospel music heritage that we should be most proud of? And when you talk about monetization, is there anything that, in that word or phrasing or that mindset that concerns you about the future of our gospel music heritage?
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Speaker 7: Oh, wow. There's a lot that I'm just concerned about gospel music heritage before I even get to the monetization.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 7: So to this point, gospel music has, like I said, told our story. And it told our story because it anchored our meeting places, right? Our faith, you know, faith has been a tradition that's been a part of who we are culturally, right? And I think as faith traditions evolve, then how we assemble around faith traditions and have songs that rise above us is going to evolve and change. I think we do have.
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Speaker 7: Very cross-cultural congregations, which we should, right, when we talk about faith. But how does that play its role in the evolution of what's being sown? Because remember what I'm saying is some of this anchored who we were culturally. And so when some of that has been blotted or it's gone differently, then the story itself becomes different. I mean, there's still sectors of people that still impacts, right? But how does that impact the forward movement of the culture? I think the monetization of that as well says that you had to get beyond just who you are. And I think because those songs themselves then come back to us, Because we use them in our worship services. Some of our favorite songs now, unless your church is a church where you're creating songs on the fly or the song of the Lord is coming up as a result of your church, more than likely your music director, your music pastor is pulling popular songs that they hear and someone else has written them. And so those are now infused within your churches. So you're counting on then those people to tell those stories.
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Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 1: So are you saying that some of our culture is at risk of being lost?
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Speaker 7: I would dare say. And at a time when.
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Speaker 4: Really?
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I don't think if people really tap into what it has meant for us, yeah, it can be very lost. Because I think we're living in a day now where culture is being challenged. And I think also if you're not tapped into the cultural relevance of it.
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Speaker 7: It cannot be passed down. And I think that's one reason why the whole idea of doing a Gospel Music Heritage Month was presented to us, right? So that we can pause, we can double down and really honor the tradition while we look forward, right?
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Speaker 1: What is it to you?
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Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 1: You've been in so many different aspects.
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Speaker 7: What is it to you?
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 7: So, well, the one thing is I am really pretty big on history. And I'm very big on impact of culture. So it is very important to me. I also believe that to the point of some of the songs, we have gotten where we are by faith for many of us.
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Speaker 1: That's a song.
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Speaker 8: Right, right.
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Speaker 7: We've come this far.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: And I think that that tells the story of where you have come and where you are going to go. And I think it anchors who we are in our now. I mean they're songs that I've sung that have lifted my mindset so that I could have the the thought to believe and so that's important to me but even in doing that it did tell where i came from it did tell the story of my my mother my grandmother yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah the story storytelling uh let's an example of what uh Adrian is talking about. Can we go to the next cut? I think that's storytelling, I think. Here we go. We have it. Say you've gotten too holy. You've become a religious fanatic. You're not going to last very long.
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Speaker 10: But I don't care.
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Speaker 1: I don't care.
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Speaker 8: What they say about me.
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Speaker 1: As long as I know that I'm pleasing the Lord. And I wrote this little song for their benefit. You can't help me. Please don't stop me.
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Speaker 8: Move out of my way.
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Speaker 7: Don't try to block me.
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Speaker 6: I got a reason.
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Speaker 7: And I'm ready.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Now, that was a prime example, I think, of what you just said.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: She told a story before, and then she broke into song. But, you know, what is amazing to me about these songs and how people just, I don't know, enjoy them, I guess, or take.
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Speaker 1: Take inspiration from them because it's not just her story. That story translates to so many people. And then, you know, her, her admin, Hey, look, I'm going, you know, get it. If you're not with me, get out of my way. Cause I I'm, you know, that, and that's the song, uh, by the way, one of our legends used to play that when she would, uh, sign on or sign off. I think, I think sugar point X used to play that.
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Speaker 7: She did.
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Speaker 1: Was it a sign on or sign off?
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Speaker 7: Um, I think it was her, her sign off.
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Speaker 3: Oh, was it?
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Speaker 7: I thought she played something else, signing off.
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Speaker 1: Signing off. But anyway, you don't hear, though, do you? Or do we hear the testimonies? Oh, no, they're there. Are they there?
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Speaker 7: You still hear them in churches? They're there. And I think if we were to go and play some of the more popular songs, they're there, they're breakdown. Do they pause to tell a testimony like that? They may not. But they are there. I think about one particular song where the guy tells the story about how, and this is in the framework of the song, how he had braces on as a child, black braces on as a child, and how his grandmother... took him and said, I'm going to keep this boy with me. And he talked about how she put oil on his head and she began to walk. He began to walk. And that's in the ad lib of what he did, right? So he tells the story about that. There are emotional songs where people can break down. I think you hear that sometimes in some of Kiera Sheard's more popular songs. So I think there are people who tell the story. They just tell a little different, you know, and that, that is, that should happen.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: As, as we get younger.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 7: It doesn't have to sound. And again, church tradition has changed. Like I said, right. So how many churches today have testimony service?
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Speaker 1: Oh, You know, there's some kind of coming up called Testify.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 7: Testify. Which where their whole idea is to try to get people to come back to find new ways to incorporate what testifying in church did.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: That's the whole premise behind it.
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Speaker 1: You know, one of the pastors that was part of that, that they had come in, and I want to talk to him again before the event, but he made an interesting point in saying that The music, you know, through the praise and through the music, the praise in the music has gone from horizontal to vertical.
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Speaker 7: As it should.
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Speaker 1: And, yeah, and he said that, but that is a change or an evolution that a lot of people aren't always accepting of and can be very, you know, put off by.
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Speaker 10: Sure.
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Speaker 7: And it's more than going from her, going from... you know, this way from vertical to horizontal. I think what has happened is that people are concerned by is we're losing some of the cultural sound in that. That's a little different, right? There's some things that in the melting of who we are, we may have evolved the sound to make sure that it's more palatable across culture. And I think there's some things that were rooted in gospel that were unabashedly who we are.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a little mashup too. Eric, can you play this next one? I think this is an example of the vertical, if you will.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: So that's.
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Speaker 4: More. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: But I think when I hear people talking about more vertical, I hear them. So more the earlier part where they are slowing it down and they are saying stuff like, you know. You are my king.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The whole song is that, you know, one or two. And, you know, the other thing that that is telling is that, you know, like every praise. I mean, but how many. Majority culture churches, do you hear that on a Sunday morning?
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Speaker 9: A lot.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So many of these so-called vertical gospel music songs are crossing over more than ever.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Especially when you have people like Brooklyn Tabernacle, which is more of the CCM tradition. They're very good for redoing songs that were gospel that they feel that could fit their audience, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 7: Right, and I can see every praise being one of those.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I visited a couple of churches that were not African American, and I was really surprised to hear that.
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Speaker 7: I'm like, well, that's... Yeah, well, there are churches that haven't historically been African American that have no problem now because they want the feeling of it sanitized, and so they have no problem integrating... some of us or some of our thought process and how they worship. And that's fine.
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Speaker 1: I've often heard the difference between a black church and a white church is, is the music. And it probably was the music told more of a story of the black culture than, you know, perhaps a white church or a Catholic church or what have you. The music, the music was always the defining.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: But that's not to say that, um, Catholic churches or whatever did not tell stories, but they would tell stories differently. Right. The pentameter in which the song was constructed was a little different. They were telling stories, but they were doing it within their own rhythm, rhythmic pattern.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So what what do you feel your contribution to gospel music and the heritage of gospel music? is and has been and will continue to be up to this point.
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Speaker 7: Sure. As the Gospel Encyclopedia, I actually do a weekly report.
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Speaker 10: Oh.
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Speaker 7: It's not carried here, but it is carried in other markets.
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Speaker 1: Get it here.
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Speaker 7: Where I really talk about the things that are happening in the gospel music industry as a whole, which I think is good because it talks about the storytelling. In that, I also talk about different things that are impacting the culture. Like it may be talking about how, let's say, for instance, there are many HBCUs who have major gospel artists this year performing at their homecoming ceremony.
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Speaker 10: Oh, really?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I can think of Kirk Franklin is going to be at three different HBCU homecoming ceremonies. You know what I'm saying? So to me, the fact that the HBCU really understood that there were people who are coming back to homecoming who have a high value for gospel that incorporated in their investment over the weekend, they're bringing in Kirk Franklin. I think that speaks volumes because just think about what HBCUs mean for us culturally. Absolutely. And then to have then a powerhouse like a Kirk Franklin there. I think even he got his doctorate. or his honorary doctorate from HBCU right there in Atlanta. So I think there's that melding that's happening and the fact that we understand the value, one, of who he is just as a businessman and his impact, his influence, but then just what the music itself has meant for us culturally. In fact, I'm going to Black Men Excel Conference, which is a conference that I put on by Black Enterprise Magazine. They've historically have honored major people in business, many men in business, like a Robert Johnson, right? they're honoring kirk franklin amongst the ranks of that as he should be because he not only is a gospel music celebrant but he's a brand holder and there's a lot of things that he's launched that carried the kirk franklin name as a brand.
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Speaker 1: Yeah Gospel music is the foundation for how many different musical genres that we have?
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Speaker 6: Oh.
00:30:06
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:30:06
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:30:07
Speaker 7: I couldn't even begin a number.
00:30:09
Speaker 1: R & B?
00:30:10
Speaker 7: R & B. Absolutely.
00:30:10
Speaker 1: Blues?
00:30:11
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:30:12
Speaker 4: Jazz?
00:30:13
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Yeah.
00:30:15
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
00:30:15
Speaker 7: Even beyond. Yeah. Think about it. Rosetta Tharpe, who's known as the godmother or grandmother of rock and roll.
00:30:24
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
00:30:25
Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. All the guitar.
00:30:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:26
Speaker 7: Started off Church of God and Christ musician, but went back and forth. But because she had such a strong- She's a guitar player. A guitar player.
00:30:36
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:30:36
Speaker 6: Right?
00:30:36
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:30:37
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:30:37
Speaker 7: And here she is. And if you go back and listen to her chord structure, what she played, you can very much hear other rock and roll artists that did that. Um, think about if you go look at, um, Aretha Franklin's video of when, now that the video is released, there were big rock acts who were sitting in the back of the church to experience that.
00:31:00
Speaker 2: Right.
00:31:01
Speaker 7: Um, I hear of honeycomb and how, um, You know, they were birthed from the church, but there are many people who you would go to their Pentecostal church in L.A. just to hear what was going on. There are many rock acts. Think about Billy Preston, who's a church boy who played for the Rolling Stones. And then when you think about major producers in gospel music, I think about Herb, who's produced for Lady Gaga. I think about many of the musicians that I've known that are... travel with major artists, whether that be hip hop or, or pop. Many of them were my friends growing up in gospel music or R and B, you know, you, I think, um, Maze featuring Frankie Beverly, Jubal grew up in church. I mean, so we've been, if we, if they weren't birthed from us, our musiciansry influence, the, how it evolved.
00:32:01
Speaker 10: Hmm.
00:32:02
Speaker 7: You got me excited. I just started going.
00:32:03
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Here's the thing. I can't see those genres existing without it.
00:32:09
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:32:09
Speaker 1: So that, I guess that's my question. I mean, we would not have.
00:32:13
Speaker 2: Right.
00:32:14
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:32:15
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:32:15
Speaker 7: And I think just even to the point that our musicians are helping to produce, it's inherent in the chord structures, inherent in how they, how their ears were shaped, you know? Yeah.
00:32:28
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:32:31
Speaker 1: You say, of course.
00:32:32
Speaker 7: And it's not always credited, right?
00:32:36
Speaker 1: Therein lies the rub. And the concern about the preservation of not only just the music in general, but the culture. Like you say, you've said so many times today, the cultural aspects behind them, what drove the music. Because had it not been for the struggles and the difficulties that we experienced, you know, when we first got here throughout just the struggle to survive, we would not have certain things.
00:33:07
Speaker 7: We would not. I mean, and I think, you know, to that point, gospel music is that it's unique because we can talk about the struggle, but we can talk about overcoming the struggle. We can talk about celebrating in the midst of the struggle. We can think that God who got us through the struggle, right?
00:33:25
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:33:25
Speaker 7: It's all of that.
00:33:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:33:26
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:33:27
Speaker 1: So your, your personal favorites. Oh, Uh, well, maybe there are groups of your personal.
00:33:36
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:33:37
Speaker 1: Anything. It's like asking you to pick your favorite child.
00:33:40
Speaker 7: I know. Um, you know, there, there's so much about gospel that I really, really love. I can look at it from an artistic point of view. And there are things that I just appreciate it from a gas, from an artistic point of view. There are things that have personally fed me. Um, I'll tell you the Donnie, the Donald Lawrence, um, um, songbook where he talks about the word of the Lord is great. That whole record, that has gotten me through a whole series. But from an artistic point of view, you can't take away Everlasting Life, Kim Burrell, and how that particular record, how many people talk about Full Moon changed how people listen to R & B. Everlasting Life from Kim Burrell changed conceptually how people heard. But it doesn't take away from the fact of Oh Happy Day. The reason why Edmund Hawkins is considered the contemporary father of contemporary gospel music because that changed how people looked. You think about Andre Crouch with what he was doing. That changed how we listened. You played Fred Hammond and your mashup. Fred Hammond changed how we approached worship and our church services with a lot of those very early songs with Radical for Christ that they almost became when when when testimony service was dying down. Everybody was almost singing the songs with Fred Hammond, wouldn't you say?
00:35:25
Speaker 4: Yes, I would agree.
00:35:26
Speaker 7: I would certainly agree.
00:35:27
Speaker 6: They were.
00:35:28
Speaker 10: Right.
00:35:28
Speaker 7: And from an offering song, everybody still sings blessed.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:35:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:35:34
Speaker 7: No question.
00:35:35
Speaker 1: But you know what? Every I've noticed in several churches, too, that every Sunday it's not. It used to be when I grew up, the choir, nothing else but the choir. Sometimes you have the praise team, sometimes, you know, worship and praise team. Sometimes you might have the, you know, the brothers, you know, a quartet or something. Sometimes you might have the deacons.
00:35:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:35:57
Speaker 1: And so that is that that that has evolved.
00:36:00
Speaker 7: Yeah, it has. But again, it goes back to what we were talking about, monetization and how it impacts. I think because people consume things differently, things had to evolve.
00:36:11
Speaker 1: Right.
00:36:12
Speaker 7: I think church service had to evolve based on people consumption.
00:36:17
Speaker 10: Right.
00:36:18
Speaker 7: And people participation. And so you've seen a resurgence, though. There's some choirs, especially there's one particular in Texas that is really taking the Internet by storm because people like looking at them. in the choir stand, in their robes, singing. And that is really, and it, it, it's heartwarming to people and they're singing some of the songs that we've enjoyed singing. Um, so there's a return.
00:36:43
Speaker 1: I've seen that, seen that on Instagram.
00:36:45
Speaker 3: Right, right.
00:36:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:36:46
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:36:46
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:36:47
Speaker 7: So there's a return to that and there's people definitely value, but I think it's about getting the volunteers. I think COVID had its impact.
00:36:54
Speaker 1: I was going to ask about that.
00:36:55
Speaker 7: COVID had its impact where it's easier to execute, um, with a praise team. Um, But yeah, I think that there are churches who definitely value the importance of choirs, right?
00:37:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So the importance of our heritage with gospel music, it doesn't sound, I mean, it's a rich and a varied heritage.
00:37:17
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:37:18
Speaker 1: Where do you see us going with that heritage? Forward looking, yeah.
00:37:24
Speaker 6: Sure.
00:37:24
Speaker 7: I'm looking for more people like myself. who are willing to tell the story. And I do see that there are people who are out there. There are younger bloggers that are coming up who are doing what they can to talk about what's happening culturally. Obviously, because they're doing it from a blogging point of view, there's sensationalism that's attached to it for clicks, right? But that socialization and cultural impact. There are people who are doing that, but I do think it's important that more museums are popping up. I'm glad that Jackie Petillo, who is over at the Gospel Music Association, who has worked both CCM and Gospel Records in her creation of the museum in Nashville. She does a very good job of telling the story. I think also in Nashville, there is another musical museum that tells the story. And I think that there are other museums throughout the country that tell the story. So I think that as long as we make sure that those are being preserved, Right. In a time when some of those are being challenged. I think that's important. A good friend of mine also said that it's very important that we buy our own things because technically if those museums shut down and I'll give a good example. A friend of mine had bought colored only signs and white only signs. And I was like, why did you buy that? And he said, because right now to see them. I have to go to a museum to see them. And he said that, um, and this was before everything that we see culturally happening began to happen. And in my mind, I was like, yeah, there's still be no need for it. But what his words resonate with me, he said, because I own these, I still have a part of history that can never be taken away. And I think it's very important for us to preserve this music by continue to keep those types of things. For instance, We don't buy albums anymore. The one thing that you could probably remember is by pulling out your mother's albums or your grandmother's albums, but since everything is digital. there's no physical unit to pass from generation to generation.
00:39:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
00:39:36
Speaker 10: Right.
00:39:36
Speaker 7: You know, there's no Bible that I physically unless somebody's think about it. I have to if I didn't pause and study. Beyond what I do on my phone, I really can access my Bible through my phone, right? But there's something that's passed from tradition to tradition. When I pass my Bible to you, you can at least see what I highlighted. You can see what I underlined. You can study. What I've been studying, and that tells a story. And I think.
00:40:01
Speaker 1: Well, the gospel, the encyclopedia that you... No, seriously, that's a preservation right there.
00:40:09
Speaker 7: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
00:40:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, can you tell us more about it and how people can access it and find out?
00:40:18
Speaker 7: Sure, sure, sure. You know, there are a lot of projects I'm rolling on, and my wife, who's probably listening right now, is going to champion you as I get home.
00:40:27
Speaker 8: Hi, Ms.
00:40:27
Speaker 10: Rashina.
00:40:29
Speaker 7: As I get home and she rolls out a ruler to say, I told you you should have did da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. But, you know, I am working on projects like that. do that um where their websites their blogs um and obviously books they're great books out there i will tell you there's a guy who's a pr guy who right now we look at him as being a great historian his name is bill carpenter and he actually does pr for ty scott records oh okay who's a 50 year old company here in the city but a lot of times when a lot of people need to find history they may either go to bill or there's another young man um in chicago um who's a great historian. I'm glad that NPR, right, did the whole gospel music history. That was a five part. Oh, it was done very well. I mean, that I have some friends who were like, they didn't include us. You know, it's hard to include the breadth of who we are in a four part series. I thought they did the best that they could to try to talk about the past. And then at least those young people were coming up.
00:41:35
Speaker 1: It's going to be around for a while.
00:41:37
Speaker 7: Hopefully, yes.
00:41:38
Speaker 9: Hopefully?
00:41:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully, yes.
00:41:41
Speaker 1: Okay. No, no, it's going to be.
00:41:43
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the only reason why I say because the industry itself may impact what people buy. And like I said, what we buy is what we sing in our churches. So hopefully it is still, obviously, if the monetization of it still doesn't exist, we'll find a way to share music, right?
00:42:02
Speaker 2: But, yeah.
00:42:04
Speaker 1: Indianapolis influencers, finally, before we have to let you go, the Indianapolis influence, people from here on the history. You started out with one right away.
00:42:14
Speaker 7: Yeah. Ty Scott Records, obviously. And the fact that they're still kicking. And there's still a passageway for many people to join on with them. Some of the partnerships that they continue to make, they're great. And Dr. Scott and and Bryant are phenomenal people, right? They've created, a lot of things have come through their 50 years. I dare not say Lamar, who works with us, right?
00:42:42
Speaker 1: Well, Lamar, our guy, our guy.
00:42:46
Speaker 7: You know, and I think Lamar and I have these conversations all the time because I feel like we feel that we are a bridge, if you will, because we were very connected to, you know, some older people, in the city as we still are mentoring younger people here. And we're hoping, Lamar, I'm putting your idea out there. Lamar is hoping to create, you know, his own thing that really celebrates the heritage of gospel and its impact across the country.
00:43:17
Speaker 1: And I love what you just said, the impact across the country, because most people point to the South and rightfully so.
00:43:24
Speaker 7: Well, for gospel, most people point to Chicago.
00:43:27
Speaker 1: Well, is that where Dorsey originated? Yeah. But a lot of people think of Southern Baptist, Southern gospel.
00:43:36
Speaker 7: Yeah, people gravitate. And obviously, Mahalia came from the South. Dorsey came from the South. But you look at Chicago, eventually then Detroit and New York. But most of those people are people who, you know, went on up. To glory, which was going over across the line, right?
00:43:52
Speaker 1: Going up yonder. They went on to glory. So it's a fascinating time. And I just love sitting down talking to you because, like I said, you are an encyclopedia. You are a gospel. Thank you. And congratulations on your recent induction. And it's a wonderful thing. It's a wonderful thing. So we got to see what comes for you next. I know you talked about the projects you're working on, but I think there's probably still more.
00:44:19
Speaker 7: Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you for challenging me in your own way.
00:44:22
Speaker 4: You're signing autographs, right?
00:44:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is.
00:44:24
Speaker 7: You're doing autographs?
00:44:26
Speaker 1: Adrian Warren, our general sales manager.
00:44:28
Speaker 4: He's not saying a word on that one.
00:44:30
Speaker 1: Gospel music. I told Eric, I said, there's nothing you can ask him regarding gospel music that he doesn't have the answer for. No, that's true.
00:44:39
Speaker 4: That's what you said.
00:44:41
Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
00:44:42
Speaker 1: Sally Martin.
00:44:44
Speaker 8: Yes.
00:44:45
Speaker 10: Okay.
00:44:46
Speaker 1: I just threw that out there.
00:44:48
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:44:48
Speaker 1: Her association with Thomas Dorsey was.
00:44:51
Speaker 7: You know, I really love the documentary that talks about that. She really helped him orchestrate the Convention of Choir and Choruses, which still carries on to this day. And I think the Convention of Choir and Choruses really helped with the disbursement of gospel music because that's how they pass the sheet music so that it can become a part of people's churches, right?
00:45:18
Speaker 1: So up front, but kind of behind the scenes?
00:45:20
Speaker 7: Yeah, because she was our own singer.
00:45:22
Speaker 1: Does that sound familiar?
00:45:23
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely.
00:45:26
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just saw some similarities.
00:45:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did. She did. But Eric, you have a question? Any questions?
00:45:35
Speaker 4: You've covered everything.
00:45:36
Speaker 1: No, not even close.
00:45:37
Speaker 6: I'm serious.
00:45:38
Speaker 4: I cannot think of anything.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: I have not even begun to scratch the surface.
00:45:42
Speaker 5: There's so much there. I mean, wisdom, knowledge. experience, Adrienne, that you have with the industry.
00:45:49
Speaker 4: And I applaud you.
00:45:51
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely. And again, I applaud the late Representative Sheila Jackson Lee for fighting that this would be recognized. Because this is recognized by Congress. How long has it been a recognition? I think since 2008. Okay. Right? And then, to believe it or not, even before it got in the hands of Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, it was a man by the name of Alvin Williams who fought for the idea that it would be something that needs to happen. And at the time he was working at a now defunct TV brand that was the Gospel Music Heritage Channel. So he fought for that. But we still do see Alvin because we're familiar with the Black Promoters Collective. They bring a lot of shows like the Queens tour. that had Gladys Knight and all of those. Alvin is a part of that team of promoters, you know, selfishly doing other things that still impact culture and music. But he would be the one who kind of instituted the idea that gave Sheila Jackson Lee the reason to fight for that in Congress.
00:47:06
Speaker 1: She was quite the champion. You know, she used to come here off and on she and Julia Carson became fast friends when they were both in Congress and she would support all of Julia Carson's initiatives and it would be vice versa. Julia would be down there, but both of those ladies did not back.
00:47:22
Speaker 7: Down at all. Fun fact, fun fact. I sit on the board for the National Association of Gospel Radio and we did a conference in Houston. And while we received the, the, While we were in Houston doing the conference, she actually gave us a key to the city, which I had the chance to accept and talk about. I have to share the video where I acknowledge her while we received the award.
00:47:50
Speaker 1: How long had she been in Congress from Houston? A number of years? She was there quite a while.
00:47:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was a staple.
00:47:58
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Sheila Jackson Lee, Eric?
00:48:00
Speaker 4: You know, sadly, I'm not.
00:48:02
Speaker 1: She was the black woman and most recently had a braid around her head. When you say that, I'm reminded now. And I don't want to say fired, but just stood up for people.
00:48:15
Speaker 4: She stood up. She didn't back down.
00:48:16
Speaker 1: She stood up. And Julia Carson here. And like I said, I remember when I was still doing news covering some events and things that they were working on. But yeah, this is phenomenal. So 2008. To 2026, that's what? I don't do math.
00:48:36
Speaker 4: Is that almost? 16 years?
00:48:38
Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
00:48:39
Speaker 3: Almost.
00:48:40
Speaker 1: No, wait a minute. Eight to 18 is 10. Let me get my fingers. You know what?
00:48:47
Speaker 7: I got into radio.
00:48:49
Speaker 3: 18.
00:48:49
Speaker 8: 18.
00:48:49
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:48:50
Speaker 7: Almost 20.
00:48:51
Speaker 4: Almost 20.
00:48:51
Speaker 1: Almost 20, yeah. Be like the cyphering on TV, you know, not. But that is fantastic because I'm sure that, It's grown and will continue to grow. I hope it does.
00:49:04
Speaker 7: I hope it does. Well, they still do things.
00:49:06
Speaker 1: As you say, you hope.
00:49:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, you hope. They still do things. There was a group that gathered last week to a very select group. They used different people in the industry from producers to artists and talent.
00:49:19
Speaker 10: Right.
00:49:20
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:49:20
Speaker 7: So hopefully, yeah.
00:49:22
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:49:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:49:23
Speaker 7: I think we're in, we're in very challenging times where I don't know that the value of true history is being, and I think if you don't have generational, uh, people who are ready to take the reins, right. Cause I can only take the reins too fast. for so long. Right. And I am intentionally trying to make sure I pass the baton, but you have to have baton carriers.
00:49:47
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:49:47
Speaker 4: That's true.
00:49:47
Speaker 1: And we have to have the baton carriers that are interested, you know, not just in carrying a baton, but truly interested in, in the history of the culture and the preservation of such. I think our culture will remain. It's just the, the preservation of it. I mean, you know, that there's, there's a lot of concern. And, and, and again, you know, when we talk about things like Expo and Classic and other things, those were all, they remain a celebration of our cultures, but sometimes, you know, the messaging and the, it can go astray.
00:50:18
Speaker 7: Or monetization, right?
00:50:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
00:50:20
Speaker 7: Those things exist because they're able to be funded. Think about some of the things, you know, think about, I'll give a good example. Black Family Reunion was created to encourage family Um, there are only two that I know of in one in Cincinnati. I don't know the lady who's over that, who happens to be someone who works with me in gospel music, Tracy artists. Um, but she may have one of the only last ones that still is in existence. And that started by the, you know, the, uh, the colored women's Federation to encourage, uh, family uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh okay so that's why i say it exists Should it exist?
00:51:07
Speaker 4: Should it exist?
00:51:08
Speaker 1: Hopefully it exists.
00:51:09
Speaker 3: Hopefully, yeah.
00:51:10
Speaker 6: Indeed.
00:51:10
Speaker 1: Well, this has truly been. Is there anything that you wanted to share that we didn't touch on? I mean, I want to give you the opportunity.
00:51:17
Speaker 7: No, I'm just thankful for the opportunity because in doing this alone, we are giving voice to it. We're giving the opportunity for it to be heard, for there to be an appeal to someone who may be listening, whether now in the replay or in their car or whatever. where they're listening to hopefully it inspired them, right?
00:51:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:51:39
Speaker 7: And maybe caused them to go look up some stuff now because you played some deep cuts.
00:51:45
Speaker 1: Well, we'll probably play. We'll go into the commercial. Just pick one, Eric. Just pick one. Go into the commercial. But, yeah, they were all just all so different. And that's, you know, even this station alone, like sometimes if I listen to the music, it's so different. It's so far reaching.
00:52:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:04
Speaker 1: From jazz artist Diane Reeves to, you know.
00:52:09
Speaker 7: Well, gospel music is one of those genres that has genres within itself, right? Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, because within gospel music, there are gospel jazz people like a Ben Tankard or there are gospel rap like a Lecrae. There is.
00:52:27
Speaker 1: Jonathan Butler recently. Jonathan Butler.
00:52:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jonathan Butler, he's... He's.
00:52:32
Speaker 1: A jazz guitarist.
00:52:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, jazz guitarist. And believe it or not, I've worked at Jonathan Butler.
00:52:36
Speaker 1: What?
00:52:37
Speaker 4: Have you really?
00:52:37
Speaker 1: South African jazz.
00:52:39
Speaker 3: Really?
00:52:39
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:52:40
Speaker 1: What was it like?
00:52:41
Speaker 7: He's one of my favorites. You know, it was phenomenal being on tour with him. We actually did his tour. He was going in between doing jazz dates and church dates at the same time. You did. This is why I mentioned the article. And it was right off of the success of Falling in Love with Jesus. We were doing it. So it was amazing hearing him tell the story of how that song originated. It just originated as a vertical worship. He was literally walking... in culture, in the nature, and was just valuing nature and saying how I'm able to fall in love with God through looking at nature. But, you know, there's so much to that tour that was so phenomenal. Just how he went in and out of different churches. Man, he was just able to flex. If the church was very music strong, he was able to flex. If the church was very vocally strong, I mean, he was... he just was a chameleon on that tour. And it was a great, it was great opportunity to tour with him promoting music.
00:53:47
Speaker 1: He's phenomenal. Absolutely.
00:53:50
Speaker 10: Indeed.
00:53:51
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I don't want to end, but we got to. We have to end.
00:53:55
Speaker 7: We have to end.
00:53:56
Speaker 1: Because as you very well know, as a sales manager, we got to pay bills.
00:53:59
Speaker 7: We have to pay bills. And if you don't run them spots, I'm going to be real upset that you don't run them spots.
00:54:09
Speaker 10: Indeed.
00:54:10
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Adrian. I appreciate you.
00:54:13
Speaker 2: All right.
00:54:13
Speaker 7: Thank you.
00:54:14
Speaker 1: Much continued success.
00:54:20
Speaker 9: WTLC AM, W236 CR, Indianapolis. Broadcasting from the Praise Indy, Indigo Studios. Indigo, boldly moving Indy forward. Discussing the issues that matter to you and keeping you informed with what's happening in and around Indy. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM. And we are back.
00:54:48
Speaker 1: Heading in, oh, we are into our second hour.
00:54:51
Speaker 9: Mr.
00:54:52
Speaker 1: Eric, are you there?
00:54:54
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, I'm right here.
00:54:55
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. You know, it's just always fascinating to pick his brain. And sometimes, yeah, sometimes we forget because we see him in his sales manager mode.
00:55:07
Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: He does a great job with that, but my goodness, he is an encyclopedia.
00:55:11
Speaker 4: Oh, I completely agree. It's like, wow.
00:55:14
Speaker 1: I think that I forgot to ask him. I forgot to ask him. I think that that idea came from someone who once called him. The Encyclopedia. Yeah, maybe I'll create one. But thank you so much, Adrian Warren.
00:55:25
Speaker 4: That was really a good segment.
00:55:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:55:27
Speaker 4: Very good segment.
00:55:28
Speaker 1: Gospel Music Heritage Month.
00:55:29
Speaker 5: Learning something. You learn things from Community Connection.
00:55:33
Speaker 1: You learn.
00:55:33
Speaker 4: Every day.
00:55:34
Speaker 10: Every day.
00:55:36
Speaker 1: Hope so. I hope so.
00:55:37
Speaker 3: You do.
00:55:38
Speaker 1: That is the goal.
00:55:38
Speaker 4: Education.
00:55:39
Speaker 1: Education.
00:55:40
Speaker 4: Indeed.
00:55:41
Speaker 1: 317-480-1310. We'll go open lines the rest of the way out. Open lines and a little bit of Week in Review, the rest of the show. 317-480-1310 for whatever may be on your mind. And I guess we can start.
00:55:56
Speaker 5: 317-480-1310.
00:55:59
Speaker 1: We can start, Eric, with the weather.
00:56:02
Speaker 7: The weather.
00:56:04
Speaker 1: The weather, yes, indeed.
00:56:06
Speaker 5: Well, right now, as you can see, it's really cloudy today. Very, very cloudy downtown right now. 79 is what we had last time I checked.
00:56:14
Speaker 4: Let's see. It's 80 now.
00:56:16
Speaker 3: Oh, it is?
00:56:17
Speaker 4: It's 80. Just changed a bit ago. And it feels like 83. That's a heat index.
00:56:23
Speaker 5: Today should be dry after the thunderstorms early this morning, late last night.
00:56:28
Speaker 4: High around 80.
00:56:28
Speaker 5: That's the expected high by this afternoon. Tonight, 66. Tomorrow, making plans for the weekend. High 80 again. There's a chance of showers, maybe some thunderstorms. Better chance in the afternoon tomorrow than on Sunday. Looks like showers for part of the day. 50% chance there. Rain's going to be sticking with us, it looks like, through Tuesday, possibly.
00:56:51
Speaker 1: Off and on?
00:56:53
Speaker 3: Off and on.
00:56:53
Speaker 1: A daily chance of rain?
00:56:54
Speaker 4: A daily chance of rain, yes.
00:56:55
Speaker 1: So we're going to see these cloudy, overcast conditions through Tuesday.
00:57:00
Speaker 4: They're going to be sticking around for a while.
00:57:02
Speaker 1: After enjoying such warm all that sunshine fuzzy sunshine.
00:57:06
Speaker 5: And 90s being indiana you know they could come back at some point yeah you know what's happened before.
00:57:11
Speaker 1: Yeah i think you know what i'm not one of the things i'm not looking forward to is the the dread you know like today.
00:57:16
Speaker 4: Oh yeah like this way all the.
00:57:19
Speaker 1: Way yeah it's just a dreary dreary.
00:57:22
Speaker 5: Yeah it's like we need the sun so we got to create our own vitamin d yeah we do create our own right here that's a good.
00:57:28
Speaker 1: Idea well hey chance of weather but i we were We were talking about the storms that moved through last night.
00:57:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
00:57:36
Speaker 5: And pretty intense for us. I mean, the thunder was so heavy at times. It was like the sky falling. It was just really, really heavy thunder.
00:57:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just decided to stay up.
00:57:48
Speaker 4: You stayed up for the whole thing?
00:57:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, until I fell asleep. You ever have those evenings when you think, okay, I'm going to do this, this, and that. Next thing you know. you, you wake up and your, your laptop's in your lap. And that was, it was over to the side.
00:58:03
Speaker 4: But I'm like, yeah, that falling asleep.
00:58:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:58:07
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
00:58:08
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So what, but, but yeah, I did stay awake through a lot of it because I just, part of me wanted to make sure that it didn't get any worse or I didn't hear any sirens because it was getting pretty rough.
00:58:19
Speaker 4: It was, I agree for us too. Pretty rough. And I, you know, there are some things, I don't know.
00:58:24
Speaker 5: I like to be aware if, Lightning hits something, causes issues, that kind of thing.
00:58:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310. Give us a call. What's on your mind? Lines are open. I'm going to remind you guys of a couple of things, share a few things with you. One of the things I wanted to follow up on, one of our regular callers, Mr. Russell, Mr. Guy Russell, had asked about Indiegogo. offering special routes, if you will, additional routes to the Lafayette Square area during the Universal Circus's 10-day run. They're going to be here until the 27th. Circus opened yesterday. And I did contact Indigo, Mr. Russell. I did contact Indigo. And as I was telling you, I didn't think so, but I'm going to read you exactly the exact direct reply, communications from Indigo. And it reads, and I, again, it reads, Hi, Tina. You are correct. We are not adding routes for the Universal Circus. As a reminder, we do have two routes that service the area, Route 37 and Route 38. Route 37 and Route 38. And I believe Mr. Russell may have shared that with us as well when he was asking. But I told him I would ask, and I did. And they responded in a very nice way. So there you have it. So if you're listening, Mr. Russell, we got an answer to your question.
01:00:01
Speaker 7: 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310.
01:00:01
Speaker 1: Marvin, go ahead. How are you?
01:00:10
Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Tina and Eric. Thanks for taking my call.
01:00:13
Speaker 2: How are you doing, Tina?
01:00:14
Speaker 1: Doing good. Thank you. Thank you. You doing okay?
01:00:16
Speaker 8: You doing all right?
01:00:17
Speaker 6: I'm doing all right.
01:00:18
Speaker 8: Doing all right. I'm starting to learn like the old people used to say, as long as I'm six feet above ground.
01:00:24
Speaker 1: You're a young man, still a young man.
01:00:28
Speaker 8: But I wanted to say, you know, I wonder, and, you know, with this whole Indy thing, and, you know, when they did, When IPS joined EnrollIndy, I really didn't understand what the intention of EnrollIndy was. People tried to explain it to me. Now I see. And, you know, I wonder how long we're going to allow IPS to keep being bullied because I feel like they're being bullied, Tina.
01:00:55
Speaker 2: And I'm not against it.
01:00:56
Speaker 8: I tell people that charter school, I didn't even know that enrollment was already in the IPEC law, the IPEC board. could be in charge of enrollment. So the charter lobby thought about everything, you know, and I don't remember people ever talking about that piece. I knew facilities and buses, but I never knew that the law, that the existing law already allows IPEC to take over enrollment for, you know, charters and IPS and center township.
01:01:25
Speaker 1: So EnrollIndy, they broke, right? IPS broke with EnrollIndy, right? Right.
01:01:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they'll be right back with them next year because we're sure IPEC is going to force them, take over enrollment and force IPS to rejoin. And I tell people it's almost, you know, in Chicago and New York City, when they pass charters, and we got to remember it was our Democratic mayor that did this. When they had charters, the charters are a part of the school district. So there's not this big competition there. They're working together. You know, here we created a competitive environment. And now the charter lobby has successfully said, OK, it's competitive, but we want everything to be slanted in charter favor, if you get what I'm saying. So, you know, it's almost like Wendy's. You know, I like a Wendy's burger better than I like McDonald's. And say McDonald's was struggling. I say, oh, well, you got to advertise your burger with Wendy's, you know, so people can know that there's another option there. As if you don't see that there's charter schools and IPS schools, township schools, parochial schools. But in rural India's whole goal was to, and it's worked because that's why Shannon got so upset with her post. In rural India has increased charter because IPS, if you read their vaccine and they said it, Parents don't know that there's a difference. And that's the point of EnrollIndy, if you get what I'm trying to say.
01:02:50
Speaker 2: So I guess, and PowerSchool.
01:02:52
Speaker 8: Is a much better, when my son moved to Lawrence Township and they used PowerSchool, it was such an easier process for enrollment. With EnrollIndy currently as it was, you had to go through them. Then you got to hope that you get your first selection of the school because, you know, you got to pick four schools, uh, And then if you do get the IPS school you chose, then there's another layer of paperwork that you have to do for IPS. And then IPS said they don't even have access to the information that's entered into EnrollIndy. So it just makes sense.
01:03:27
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
01:03:27
Speaker 8: But yeah, read their facts. If you go to IPS website, they explain why they made the decision. You know, EnrollIndy said we're going to waive fees for a year. Now I understand why they did that because... you know, probably by next school year, 2028, 2029, IPS will be forced to rejoin because IPEC is going to take, you know, over the enrollment process. And this is just nothing but bullying.
01:03:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. And look at the makeup and the backgrounds of the IPEC board. Do you see it's predominantly charter backgrounds?
01:04:07
Speaker 8: There you go.
01:04:08
Speaker 1: The people are predominantly from a charter.
01:04:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
01:04:11
Speaker 8: There you go. And I said on the chalk beat on the Facebook post, I said this election and Andrea Hundley is not opposed to charter school.
01:04:20
Speaker 6: She's not.
01:04:20
Speaker 8: She was an excellent principal. I had kids that were in my daycare that went to her school. So I would talk to her when she was down in school, too. But I think what a mayor that's not bought by the charter lobby, and I'm not opposed to charter schools. What I'm opposed to, Tina.
01:04:37
Speaker 1: This is the way they're operating, yeah.
01:04:39
Speaker 8: The way they're operating, and we have to, as a community, I think the community just don't understand. I did not know that the law already gave IPEC the authority to take over enrollment.
01:04:51
Speaker 1: I did not know that either.
01:04:52
Speaker 2: I did not know that. Yep, yep.
01:04:53
Speaker 10: Wow.
01:04:54
Speaker 8: It's a power. It was a power grabbing. Agnes Shelton, she's a wonderful person. person that's been committed to education she's been trying to tell me for years that this was coming and she knew it was coming and it appeared and they thought of everything and I think they said rise with their glorified tutoring program CEO making $ 300, 000 a year From what people have told me, because I haven't followed them, they said they've got a hack going out basically telling people, oh, don't worry, IPEC is in charge of IPS now. I haven't seen the advertisement, but they're basically saying, don't worry about it. We got this covered.
01:05:32
Speaker 3: And it's a shame.
01:05:34
Speaker 6: And it's a de-shame.
01:05:36
Speaker 8: And so thanks for taking my call. I've just been frustrated about it.
01:05:40
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, rightfully so.
01:05:42
Speaker 9: We let IPS.
01:05:44
Speaker 3: Be bullied.
01:05:45
Speaker 8: We let the charter lobby, the mine trust in their money, buy the city. And I like people at the mine trust. I think some of their programs are great.
01:05:55
Speaker 1: But it all has to, it should all be balanced or mitigated. And if we don't get involved, and as you say, find out more, pay attention more, these types of things, you're going to get steamrolled. You're going to get steamrolled.
01:06:08
Speaker 8: That's what's happening. IPS, It's why they are improving. You can't use the lie that IPS is not offering quality education. They always did, but there was work that needed to be done. But at this point, it's just a power grab. It's just doing what really Republicans wanted to do all along, just destroy traditional public schools and try to give them a pot of black students, black and brown, which I call the black and brown hustle, you know, to say, oh, well, we can't be racist because we're supporting these kids over here. You know, but we're in. but they don't have to have teachers unions. And I'm not all that shook up about the teachers union, you know, but they don't have to have teachers unions. They don't have to have this. They don't have to have that. And so if you're not paying attention, you can get caught up in this idea that it's really about children. And you see all the money that CEOs of charter advocacy groups are making $ 500, 000 a year, money that can be going into the classroom to advocate for charters. Here you have an organization raising $ 40 million dollars to advocate for charter schools while IPS is about $ 40 million short. So if it's about supporting kids and offering a high-quality education, wouldn't that money be better served to be raised for our school districts or even charter schools? Thanks for taking my call.
01:07:27
Speaker 1: No, thank you. And the other final thought, Marvin, is location, location, location. When you look at where the location is and as they say, follow the dollar. I mean, there's no reason that the head of IPEC should be making that kind of money with these kids needing that. And then they're wanting they're wanting property tax, you know. You pay for it with the referendum.
01:07:50
Speaker 8: You expect people to go vote for that.
01:07:52
Speaker 1: I mean, the people that.
01:07:54
Speaker 8: Want to support it, Tina, want to. And I believe wholeheartedly that 90 percent of the people, if it passes, will be supporting it because they want to see IPS.
01:08:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a catch 22. It is. It is.
01:08:07
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
01:08:07
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Because who doesn't want kids to have what they need? There are young people to have what they need to succeed. Who doesn't want that? And you know how parents, they'll go without to make sure that the kids have what they need. So that's the same concept. But by and large, as one of our guests said, we shouldn't be legislating by referendum. We shouldn't.
01:08:29
Speaker 8: We should not.
01:08:30
Speaker 1: We need to get more involved in the voting process.
01:08:33
Speaker 8: Last comment, because you brought that up. Then you see they cut education so much that they had to do the referendum. And then if you remember... I don't remember how many legislative sessions ago they were trying to stop the districts from being able to do referendums. And I'm not even 100 percent sure that didn't pass. You know, it's crazy.
01:08:52
Speaker 1: It is. It is. Go ahead.
01:08:56
Speaker 8: Oh, I just said thanks.
01:08:58
Speaker 1: Oh, no, thank you. Thank you, Marvin. because you told me some stuff. I want to follow up on some of that stuff.
01:09:03
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm shocked. It just really shocked me. They learned it already. They thought of everything, and they slipped that in, and we didn't know. People didn't, because people were so excited about IPS making the decision, and then shocked me. If you read, they did an article that said, I think IPS even acknowledges acknowledges it on their facts that IPEC has the authority to take over enrollment. And you know they're going to do it because they're going to want to put them back in with that enrollment system.
01:09:31
Speaker 3: Yep.
01:09:31
Speaker 4: Wow.
01:09:32
Speaker 6: All right.
01:09:32
Speaker 1: Thank you, Marvin. I appreciate it.
01:09:34
Speaker 6: 317-480-1310.
01:09:34
Speaker 4: 317-480-1310.
01:09:34
Speaker 1: There's no substitute for getting involved. No, there isn't. And they always manage to slip it in. Yeah, they slip it in there.
01:09:48
Speaker 4: Just quietly slip it in.
01:09:50
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:09:50
Speaker 4: And the next thing you know, it's here now.
01:09:52
Speaker 1: But I would agree. You don't have to have anything against charter schools or any type of schools, but the way they operate, they only operate in certain areas, location, location, and they have a tremendous amount of money at their disposal and They also have very little accountability because the members of the boards of directors of some of these schools don't even live here. They live out of state. It's a difficult situation. And maybe if the infrastructure of it all were different, it might be more of a working relationship. Like Marvin said, in Chicago, it might be better.
01:10:38
Speaker 4: Maybe it might be.
01:10:39
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, but Chicago Public Schools. I don't know. But I've got to look into that a little bit. Thank you, Marvin, for bringing that to our attention.
01:10:50
Speaker 10: 317-480-1310.
01:10:50
Speaker 2: 317-480-1310.
01:10:51
Speaker 1: Jeff, go ahead. How are you?
01:10:53
Speaker 2: Hey, happy Friday, everybody.
01:10:54
Speaker 1: Happy Friday.
01:10:55
Speaker 4: Happy Friday.
01:10:55
Speaker 1: It is Friday.
01:10:58
Speaker 2: You know, the dirty little thing about charter school, you know how they came about, don't you, Tina?
01:11:03
Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean?
01:11:05
Speaker 2: Well, the reason being, when the Board v. Brown v. Brown, you know, with desegregation.
01:11:17
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
01:11:19
Speaker 2: And the so-called white folks who didn't want their kids to go to school with black folks saw an opportunity to keep their kids from going to school with black folks, so they enrolled them in all these Christian schools, whatever. in the 70s, when they were enforcing busing or whatever. So it was sort of like their get-out-of-jail-free card. And then you had this rise of charter, of these Christian-based charter schools. But there really wasn't anything Christian about it. They just didn't want white kids to go to school with black kids. So that's their little origins of charter schools. Just a little food for thought, you know. You know, it was well-documented public history, you know. history, but yeah, that's the dirty little secret about charter schools is that white folks put their kids in private schools or faith-based schools because the law of the land was segregation was illegal. Equal and unfair. So I'm just saying, just some food for thought. Tina, Eric, have you heard about this bill being passed by Republicans where they're basically telling women, especially young white women, Not to go get an education, not to go out and get a job, but just stay at home and have babies. Have you heard about that?
01:12:36
Speaker 4: I missed that one, Tina.
01:12:37
Speaker 6: You?
01:12:38
Speaker 1: No, I don't recall hearing or reading anything about that. When did they pass it?
01:12:45
Speaker 2: I think it got squashed.
01:12:47
Speaker 1: Oh, this was a proposal.
01:12:49
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:12:51
Speaker 1: Proposed piece of legislation.
01:12:53
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:12:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, introduced by the Republicans in the U.S. Congress. I think it's right out of Project 2025, if I'm not mistaken.
01:13:03
Speaker 1: Probably.
01:13:03
Speaker 2: Because white women are not having enough babies.
01:13:08
Speaker 1: Oh, you know what? I did hear something about a measure that may... Yeah, I heard something about it being... I don't know, in the works or formulated, I didn't, yeah, I didn't really follow up because it sounded so absurd to me. I didn't keep reading.
01:13:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of, you know, it was pretty dystopian.
01:13:27
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, right out of the Handmaid's Tale.
01:13:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, Handmaid's Tale.
01:13:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it got crooked. It was like, you know, they tried to sneak it in, but it was like, no, man, you know, no. No, we ain't doing it. But they're basically telling young women, don't get you an education. Don't look for a career. Just stay at home. Raise your children and have babies. And the reason being because, well, next time a white person calls you a minority, I want you to really think about that. Are we really the minority, Eric?
01:14:01
Speaker 4: Are we really? I remember hearing something, it's been a number of years ago, where.
01:14:08
Speaker 5: They wanted to make sure that white women, they wanted to try to assure somehow that white women would have male children. because they felt that the white male was the minority. And so they wanted to keep that from happening, if he were, from becoming the minority.
01:14:26
Speaker 4: So that was the goal.
01:14:29
Speaker 2: It's all part of that hysteria of, what, 2042, that we'll be a majority-minority country, people of color, whatever. And I'm saying is that we're already on the planet, I would dare to say, Tina, and there's probably more people that look like us than, say, Mike Braun. Wouldn't y'all agree with that?
01:14:51
Speaker 3: Hmm.
01:14:54
Speaker 6: Hmm.
01:14:55
Speaker 2: Well.
01:14:56
Speaker 1: You know, Marion County is a majority minority.
01:14:58
Speaker 2: I ain't talking about Marion County. I'm just talking about the planet.
01:15:01
Speaker 1: Oh, the planet.
01:15:02
Speaker 7: Oh, the planet.
01:15:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:15:03
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
01:15:03
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. Okay.
01:15:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:15:06
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:15:06
Speaker 2: There's more people that look like me and you than they do. than Jerry Falwell or Pete Hegsett. And the white population is rigging all around the world. That's why we have Brexit, because there was too many immigrants coming into Europe and all that. So, yeah, I never really bought into that. I'm a minority. No, I'm the majority. And especially when I was in the Navy and all that, I saw more people of color than I did see. I mean, if you go to Italy, Italy's like, you know, very, you know, especially around the southern part, I mean, very, you know, olive-skinned, dark-skinned people in Spain, whatever. So I'm just saying is all of this stuff is really rooted in fear.
01:15:56
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
01:15:57
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
01:15:58
Speaker 6: It's fear. Yeah.
01:16:00
Speaker 2: And we just got calling for what it is. You know, white fear, white flight, whatever, it's all based in fear. You know, white supremacy is fear-based.
01:16:08
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:16:10
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:16:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, just food for thought, people. I mean, you know, the Great Replacement Theory, I'm sure you all heard of that and everything. It's all connected with charter schools, you know, even though, you know, I'm all, you know, I got no problem with charter schools. You know, they really have the well-being of the students in mind. And I'm all for IPS, too, public education.
01:16:33
Speaker 6: You know.
01:16:34
Speaker 2: And so, but a lot of this is... as a rooted in fear and I'm not a minority.
01:16:41
Speaker 8: Nope.
01:16:42
Speaker 2: Refuse me calling minority. Cause, uh, you know, there's, you know, there's more black people. Asians got to, there's more of them than anybody, but then it's black folks and indigenous cultures and people like, uh, what's that Senator, that clownish Senator we got here. I ain't talking about, uh, banks, banks.
01:17:02
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:17:02
Speaker 1: Banks.
01:17:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:17:04
Speaker 10: Oh yeah.
01:17:04
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:17:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that clown. You know, he's one to scare the debate women. Anyway, but anyway, so I'm just saying that, you know, the dirty little history about charter schools and they're trying to push this measure where they want white women to have more children. And you're right. They really want young white male children, Eric. So, yeah, just some food for thought. There you go.
01:17:32
Speaker 1: All right, Jeff. Well, you have a great weekend.
01:17:35
Speaker 2: You do the same thing.
01:17:36
Speaker 1: All right.
01:17:37
Speaker 8: Okay.
01:17:38
Speaker 1: We'll talk. Take care. Bye-bye. Let's go ahead, Eric, and take a quick break. And, boy, my goodness, I can't believe it.
01:17:46
Speaker 4: It's already time to almost 2.30.
01:17:48
Speaker 1: Almost 2.30, yeah.
01:17:50
Speaker 4: Wow.
01:17:51
Speaker 1: But like you heard Adrian, let's get these breaks in here.
01:17:54
Speaker 4: Oh, get the breaks in here. Let those spots run.
01:17:57
Speaker 1: Let those spots roll.
01:17:58
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed.
01:17:59
Speaker 6: All right.
01:18:00
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
01:18:05
Speaker 9: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
01:18:15
Speaker 1: And we are back with Community Connection. Lines are open. Rest of the show, 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310 for whatever is on your mind. And Eric, as I look out the window, I cannot help but say, What's the weather?
01:18:31
Speaker 2: Oh, well, what.
01:18:31
Speaker 5: You're looking at right now is the sun could peek through a little bit before.
01:18:37
Speaker 4: Sunset, but it's 80 now. It's 80 now. It looks like it's going to rain.
01:18:41
Speaker 1: It does, any minute.
01:18:42
Speaker 4: Let me look at the radar. There's nothing there.
01:18:45
Speaker 1: Nothing on the radar, just clouds. So it could be one of those situations where storms come in. fire up at any point in time.
01:18:51
Speaker 4: They could, but it doesn't say so here in the forecast.
01:18:54
Speaker 5: At this point, mostly cloudy, about 80 before we get done with the day.
01:18:57
Speaker 4: And then tonight, 66. Tomorrow, 88.
01:19:01
Speaker 3: Okay.
01:19:01
Speaker 5: A chance of some thunder. And then on Sunday, 86 chance of showers.
01:19:08
Speaker 4: So there's no rain.
01:19:09
Speaker 5: But it looks like it could rain any moment downtown here. But there's nothing so far.
01:19:14
Speaker 1: Okay.
01:19:15
Speaker 3: So far, so good.
01:19:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, big plans for the weekend.
01:19:17
Speaker 4: Not that I can think of. Not at the moment.
01:19:19
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:19:19
Speaker 4: Just kind of. I think we're going to wing it.
01:19:22
Speaker 1: Aren't those nice? Aren't those the best?
01:19:24
Speaker 4: Yes, they are.
01:19:25
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Positively. Nothing planned.
01:19:28
Speaker 4: Nothing planned. You just go with it.
01:19:30
Speaker 2: You just.
01:19:30
Speaker 4: Whatever it might be.
01:19:31
Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
01:19:32
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep.
01:19:33
Speaker 4: Could be sleeping input. Something I never get.
01:19:38
Speaker 1: To do much. Boy, I cannot remember. I remember when I was in college, I used to be able to sleep till noon or one o'clock. Or as a teenager, sleep until, hey, I can't even envision that.
01:19:53
Speaker 4: I can't. Even if I try, I cannot. I cannot sleep that late.
01:19:58
Speaker 1: So you were always an early riser? I could always sleep. You were always an early riser?
01:20:01
Speaker 4: For the most part, yes.
01:20:03
Speaker 5: But even if I try, say if I have nothing to do, I'm going to just turn the alarm off and just sleep. Usually I'm awake by 9 or 10.
01:20:12
Speaker 4: At the latest.
01:20:13
Speaker 1: That's called sleeping in?
01:20:14
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:20:15
Speaker 4: Okay. That's sleeping in at the latest, at the latest.
01:20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:20:18
Speaker 5: Now, normally I'm up at 7, 7.15 in the morning, most mornings.
01:20:23
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:20:24
Speaker 1: I've not... Since the kids, I mean, they're grown now, adults. But that's when my sleeping habits completely just changed. And I, you know, it's never gone back.
01:20:35
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
01:20:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't sleep past.
01:20:38
Speaker 4: So you're up at 6?
01:20:39
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
01:20:40
Speaker 2: You're up early.
01:20:41
Speaker 1: Now, it doesn't mean I'm out and, you know, up, out.
01:20:44
Speaker 4: But you're up.
01:20:45
Speaker 7: But I'm up.
01:20:45
Speaker 4: But you're just up at that time. 6 a.m.? Really, really a.
01:20:47
Speaker 1: Little bit earlier than that. But so sleeping in might be 8 or 9.
01:20:52
Speaker 5: When I've been asked to fill in on one of our stations in the morning, I'm normally up then about 4.30, 4, 4.30 for.
01:21:00
Speaker 4: That week I'm filling in.
01:21:03
Speaker 10: Man.
01:21:03
Speaker 5: That first day is like the most difficult. It's like, oh, man, I got to get up now. Then the next, it gets easier and easier.
01:21:10
Speaker 4: Then by Friday, it's like, I'm good. I got it. Then I'm back to that, you know.
01:21:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:21:14
Speaker 1: You work in this business long enough, you've worked just about every shift there is.
01:21:18
Speaker 3: That's true.
01:21:18
Speaker 1: And I remember, yeah, when I lived in Tennessee, I would have to be at work. I'd get up at 2.
01:21:25
Speaker 4: Two in the morning.
01:21:25
Speaker 1: And I'd have to be there between three and, between 3.30, four o'clock I'd be late. Four o'clock I'd be late, yeah. Wow.
01:21:34
Speaker 4: That's early.
01:21:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's early.
01:21:36
Speaker 7: Two o'clock in the morning.
01:21:39
Speaker 1: I'd get up at two and take my little drive and get in there by, you know, between 3.30 and four. I wouldn't get there any later.
01:21:46
Speaker 5: Early in my career, I'd be getting off the air at two in the morning. Sometimes starting at two in the morning, just depending on where I was.
01:21:55
Speaker 1: Now, when I worked three to mid, you know, two to, what do they call it? Second shift or night side. They call it night side. When I worked night side, sometimes I wouldn't get home until two or three.
01:22:05
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:22:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:22:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. Flips up, down, and all around.
01:22:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've worked every shift.
01:22:12
Speaker 1: You worked every shift.
01:22:13
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
01:22:14
Speaker 1: You know those shifts. So I wanted to make sure, this is a promise that I certainly plan to keep, the deadlines for the, for election. I was in a group chat this morning and a friend of mine that lives in Virginia today, I believe is their first day of early voting.
01:22:35
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
01:22:35
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:22:36
Speaker 1: Their first day of early voting in Virginia, I think starts today. If I, if I read the text correctly, because you know, when you're in those group chats or group texts, let me see. Pretty sure. But anyway, early voting is starting now already in some places. And voter registration, voter registration checkup, all of those things are available right now that you can do if you go to indianavoters.com, indianavoters.com. You can register, get someone else registered, check on your registration, make sure you haven't been booted off the registration rolls. From what I hear, I was talking to another friend of mine, and they brought up something I hadn't even considered. Uh, but they were saying that they were noticing a little bit of a pattern that people who were 85 and older.
01:23:28
Speaker 10: Hmm.
01:23:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. They've just been, their registration hasn't been renewed.
01:23:33
Speaker 10: Really?
01:23:34
Speaker 1: That's what she said. And I'm like, that's interesting.
01:23:37
Speaker 4: That would be something to investigate.
01:23:38
Speaker 1: That's something to investigate. I'm going to look that up too, because all of a sudden you just, just disappear. So, um, but anyway, uh, indianavoters.com, indianavoters.com is the website for you to check on all of your voter registration information. You want to see, first of all, your name. And then beside that, you want to see active. If you don't see your name, just register. If you see your name and see inactive, go in and fix whatever's there. If you register, I mean, if you go into the voter registration website, Indiana voters dot com. If you go into that Web site and see your name, all your correct information and the word active, you're good. You're good. But what you're looking for is your name, correct address and everything else that they have. As far as voter registration information and the word active, you're looking for active. So that is the that is the key you have until Monday, October 5th, Monday, October 5th. That's the last day to register to vote. in the November election. Monday, October 5th, is the last day. Because Tuesday, October 6th, is the first day of early voting here in Indiana. So as you can see, if today is the first day of early voting in places like the state of Virginia, we're kind of late. We have a little bit more condensed window, which makes it all the more urgent. So yeah, be sure and get that taken care of. IndianaVoters.com, IndianaVoters.com. We have some calls. We said, yeah, it is open line. So let's go to the phones for a bit here. But I wanted to get that in about voter registration and the voter website and taking care of everything that you need to take care of prior to Election Day on Tuesday, November 3rd. Tuesday, November 3rd is Election Day.
01:25:36
Speaker 4: 317-480-1310.
01:25:36
Speaker 3: 317-480-1310.
01:25:36
Speaker 1: Brenda, go ahead. Do you have a question? Yes, hi, Ms.
01:25:45
Speaker 10: Tina.
01:25:45
Speaker 1: Hi.
01:25:47
Speaker 10: I was calling because my grandkids go to a charter school here in Indianapolis, and I really like the charter school because they give out, like, scholarships. But the only thing about the.
01:26:03
Speaker 1: School is, like— Excuse me.
01:26:06
Speaker 10: I'm sorry.
01:26:06
Speaker 1: I want to pin that. A scholarship. Charter schools are no cost. What are the scholarships for?
01:26:13
Speaker 10: Like in sports or, you know, things of that nature.
01:26:17
Speaker 1: Oh, things that cost. Okay, but not the schooling itself. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay, go ahead.
01:26:22
Speaker 10: No, it's okay. But the only thing about this charter school my grandkids go to is like... They don't have like a gymnasium. They all have a football field. And as parents and grandparents, we have to run all over the city, you know, to go to all the events. And then you get there, of course, you got to pay to get in. So I was just wondering, what could that school do to generate, you know, some funds, maybe find some land close to that school to get that gymnasium or football field? Because it is so needed.
01:26:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:26:55
Speaker 1: And that would have to be, I'm thinking, I don't know, that would have to be up to the school to find the funds to do what they need to do. Charters are a choice. And so, you know, when you make that choice, understand what the positives are, but also what the limitations are. And there are a number of charter schools that don't have those things, but that's not why they're there. They're there for certain educational lanes, if you will. They're very intentional. Like some charters are... You know, my my daughter has taught at a couple of charters and some of them are like there was one that was girls in STEM Academy. You know, they they a playground. They didn't have a really good. I mean, they had a play area, but they you know, they have to raise funds to get those things. But the reason the parents wanted the kids there is to have their young ladies learn, you know, in this STEM class. discipline, so to speak. So, you know, when you enroll your kids, just know what they do and do not offer. And then running around and going from here to there and everywhere, that is just part of it. But if the school can do that and raise the funds, it is a charter. And so they're allowed to do that. Any school can do that. So that, that would have to be up to the school to, yeah, to take care of that.
01:28:15
Speaker 10: And grandparents, cause I got, uh, my grandkids are in knowledge for it.
01:28:19
Speaker 1: Oh yes.
01:28:20
Speaker 10: You know, I don't support them, but it's a good thing, but I'm going to have to raise that up to them. So we're going to have to do some fund raises here.
01:28:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And they're, yeah, they're more than welcome to raise those funds. And, uh, yeah, I, as a, as a grandparent and an aunt as well, that has a lot of nieces and nephews, I mean, I'm here, there, and everywhere. And some of it is at the schools that they have. It's just that they're different places. But, yeah, we're a little spoiled because schools traditionally have taken care of those things.
01:28:51
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, ma'am.
01:28:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, certain ones do. All righty. Well, thank you. And good luck. And be careful because gas. Yeah, thank you. And Eric, I meant to bring this up to you this morning. I pulled up to a gas pump. Premium. Uh-oh.
01:29:08
Speaker 9: $ 4.
01:29:08
Speaker 1: 99 a gallon.
01:29:09
Speaker 4: Wait a minute. When did that happen?
01:29:10
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it had happened because it was today. For premium, mid-range, which is what I, you know, I can use mid-range. You can't use that. I can't use regular. Regular, it was $ 3.
01:29:22
Speaker 2: 99.
01:29:23
Speaker 1: That's high enough. Mid-range was $ 4. 49, and premium was $ 4. 99. So I was talking to somebody on the phone this morning, and I was like, oh, my goodness. And they said it's over $ 6 a gallon for regular in California already. And those that offer, I guess I've been listening and they always say gas, diesel, gas, diesel. I don't I mean, I guess.
01:29:48
Speaker 4: They're comparing the two.
01:29:50
Speaker 1: No, they're saying gas prices and then they go to diesel prices.
01:29:53
Speaker 4: OK.
01:29:53
Speaker 1: So and diesel is always higher.
01:29:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, it always is.
01:29:56
Speaker 1: But when I looked at in Speedway gas stations in Indianapolis and, you know, they're supposed to be the setter. And I looked at Speedway, and theirs was $ 3. 99 for unleaded, and then diesel, it was black. They didn't even have the price. Oh, they didn't have the price. They didn't even have the price.
01:30:11
Speaker 4: No price on diesel.
01:30:12
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
01:30:13
Speaker 1: And not all gas stations offer diesel, I don't think.
01:30:16
Speaker 4: Well, that's true. Not all do. There are some that don't.
01:30:17
Speaker 5: But I had a friend who wanted to have a— he bought a truck, and he was trying to buy diesel, but he couldn't get one.
01:30:24
Speaker 4: I thought, maybe you're glad about that now.
01:30:26
Speaker 1: I just wonder why there's a blackout on the price of diesel.
01:30:30
Speaker 5: Maybe it's just out of hand. It's just like maybe it's $ 6 a gallon here.
01:30:33
Speaker 1: But might have blown all the lights out on the board.
01:30:36
Speaker 2: I don't know.
01:30:37
Speaker 1: But I found that interesting. And again, if you listen to some of the national folks, they always talk about gas prices or so-and-so and the price of diesel. And I've often wondered why I thought diesel was gas, isn't it?
01:30:51
Speaker 10: Well, it is.
01:30:52
Speaker 1: It's a different form of it.
01:30:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, so with diesel, different type of engine. From a gas engine, that kind of thing.
01:30:59
Speaker 1: Well, it certainly is far more expensive than gasoline.
01:31:03
Speaker 4: It is.
01:31:04
Speaker 10: Far more expensive.
01:31:04
Speaker 4: But we still have the gas tax holiday going on.
01:31:08
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. But how much is that offsetting?
01:31:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's, what, 60 cents initially.
01:31:13
Speaker 6: Oh, my goodness.
01:31:14
Speaker 1: Now I'm just saying.
01:31:14
Speaker 4: But now with the prices going up, yeah. Yeah, it's not offsetting.
01:31:18
Speaker 1: It's mitigating a little bit, but not much. And I just wonder how much longer folks are going to be able to tolerate that because The other thing, when I was hearing this warning about gas, then it said something else. It said, but this is only the beginning. It's only going to get worse because there is no end in sight for the war. And if there's no apparent end in sight, even if it ended tomorrow, it would take months for these prices to start to break down. So the only place where prices can go is up.
01:31:51
Speaker 5: Now, can you explain to me, because I'm not smart enough to know, The prices go up so quickly, but it takes years to come down.
01:32:01
Speaker 1: It's like everything else.
01:32:02
Speaker 4: Why is that? I mean, it's like.
01:32:03
Speaker 5: Overnight they'll go up 10 cents, I don't know, 15 cents.
01:32:07
Speaker 1: Even before something has happened. Right. They'll go up in anticipation of something happening.
01:32:11
Speaker 4: Anticipation, right.
01:32:12
Speaker 1: But they can't break down it. I don't know.
01:32:15
Speaker 4: They can't bring it down as quickly as it goes up.
01:32:16
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:32:17
Speaker 4: And I think I read somewhere that truckers were planning to strike.
01:32:22
Speaker 8: Good luck.
01:32:23
Speaker 1: They use that diesel, don't they?
01:32:25
Speaker 4: Well, they have to have diesel.
01:32:26
Speaker 1: They all have diesel. They can't operate. They can't function.
01:32:29
Speaker 5: No, and the price is just out of reach for some. Well, I'll say just really high.
01:32:34
Speaker 1: It's coming to the grocery stores. It's coming to the grocery stores.
01:32:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're planning to, many I saw somewhere they were planning to strike for various reasons, which could create problems, as you mentioned, the grocery stores.
01:32:45
Speaker 1: They're going to put pressure on their lawmakers.
01:32:47
Speaker 4: Oh, they certainly will.
01:32:48
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, indeed, indeed. That's the key. 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310. He must have heard us, Mr. Russell.
01:32:57
Speaker 4: He must have heard us.
01:32:58
Speaker 1: Hey, Mr. Russell, how are you?
01:33:00
Speaker 6: Good afternoon. You know, I appreciate the fact that you communicated with Indigo, so we'll see what happens. But I wanted to call about the post office. Is anybody having problems with their mail being delivered? Young lady told me she sent me something a month ago and never received it. I just wondered, was anybody else having trouble with the post office, especially with the election coming up? And I wondered, have you ever had anybody from the post office on the show in an executive position to find out with all this craziness that the president is trying to do with with the ballots and mail-in ballots, even though he votes by mail. He didn't want anybody else to vote by mail. Just wondered, is it possible to get anybody from the post office to explain this recent decision that the Supreme Court refused Trump's executive order to mess with the post office in terms of whose ballots would be qualified and that kind of thing?
01:34:20
Speaker 1: You know, I can try, Mr.
01:34:22
Speaker 9: Russell.
01:34:23
Speaker 1: You know, I can certainly try. But I can tell you efforts to contact and speak with someone from the United States Postal Service in the past have not been very productive because there's a chain of command that has to be, you know, and it's not to say, I mean, that sounds like it's not an excuse. I'm just saying, you know, you get into a certain level of difficulty. And then typically what they end up doing, if you want something from them, is they will write a statement as opposed to coming on the air and talking about it. It happens a lot. But I'll try. I'll make another run at it. I don't have a problem with it. I'm just saying that that's been my experience with the U.S. Postal Service in the past. They don't. I mean, how many have you seen on TV? Think about it. How many? how many postal service represent, you know, people from that age, you know, from the United States postal service, have you seen on the, you know, NBC, ABC morning, you know, morning, Joe MS. Now, how many from the act from the post office have you seen?
01:35:28
Speaker 6: Well, back in the day, you used to see them, but lately.
01:35:31
Speaker 1: Maybe the postmaster general, you know, or that, you know, up at that level. But what I, what I've, my experience in the past has always been, they'll give me a statement. Uh, they may, but I, you know, it's, it's worth a try. It's a good question. It's a good question and a good point.
01:35:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:35:47
Speaker 6: Because, you know, uh, that's one of the key features of how society operates, you know, communication. And, uh, we can't rely upon the electronic industry so much as we are doing because, uh, I think it was President Jimmy Carter said if he ever wanted to send a message that would be private, he would send it by letter rather than electronically. And that makes sense because with all the hackers, you have worldwide hackers, worldwide hackers from different countries and whatnot. So, you know, this is a vital, this is a vital, in terms of the community. And I understand.
01:36:41
Speaker 1: I wonder who has been speaking on behalf... Go ahead. Who has been speaking on behalf of the Postal Service?
01:36:48
Speaker 4: That's a very good question.
01:36:49
Speaker 1: It is a very good question.
01:36:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, federal agencies in general because the current administration has done so much damage. You know, maybe we should try to help some of these people put them on the hot seat and find out what they're doing, you know, because it's a lot of confusion that can result. Particularly, say you're in the military, for instance, you know, and say you can't vote by mail. That's crazy. I think we need to have a definitive answer. And maybe Junior Bond might cover this in our Monday sessions coming up because, you know, it's in the good book. It says when the foundations fall, what can the righteous do? So we need to worry about these foundations, in my opinion.
01:37:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:37:51
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:37:52
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:37:53
Speaker 1: And the, thank you. I appreciate it. And the, the independence that they do or do not have to, to, to come and speak with the media, because I think a lot of that independence has been compromised.
01:38:04
Speaker 4: I think so too.
01:38:05
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:38:05
Speaker 4: It's like, it's a be, be transparent.
01:38:07
Speaker 5: That's when you're not, you know, when you're not, that's when we are suspicious. It's like, just be transparent, tell the truth and, you know, just be honest about it.
01:38:16
Speaker 4: Or if, Well, I guess if you're lying.
01:38:18
Speaker 1: Subjective transparency.
01:38:20
Speaker 4: That is true.
01:38:21
Speaker 1: Depends on your definition of what transparency is.
01:38:24
Speaker 5: Someone called Tina and suggested that maybe you could screenshot your voter registration. card to show that you're registered. Would that work to prove that you are registered?
01:38:37
Speaker 1: You mean screenshot it to your phone?
01:38:38
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:38:40
Speaker 1: Yes, you could.
01:38:41
Speaker 4: Here it is. It's like.
01:38:44
Speaker 1: You should not be asked about your voter registration.
01:38:47
Speaker 4: You shouldn't.
01:38:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you're stopped and you have a screenshot. Yeah, you can take it. It's not going to hurt anything.
01:38:54
Speaker 4: I was looking at something here, too.
01:38:55
Speaker 5: It's a site I found called Voting Rights Lab. And it says removal for not voting. Non-voting does not trigger removal in 28 states in D.C. And Indiana is one of those states, it says on here. Another state removal process triggered after five non-voting years. That happens only in Georgia.
01:39:18
Speaker 1: So the removal process for Indiana again is what?
01:39:21
Speaker 5: It says here removal for not voting. Non-voting does not trigger removal.
01:39:26
Speaker 1: No, it should not.
01:39:26
Speaker 4: For 28 states.
01:39:27
Speaker 7: At D.C.
01:39:29
Speaker 4: And Indiana is a part of that.
01:39:31
Speaker 1: Good.
01:39:31
Speaker 4: Now.
01:39:33
Speaker 5: There are some other states, removal process triggered after four non-voting years. That's 12 states, part of that. Illinois, I won't mention them all. Florida, Wisconsin, and some others. They will remove you after 12 years. You'll be removed.
01:39:48
Speaker 4: Ohio and West Virginia, removal process is triggered after two non-voting years. So three states. Massachusetts is a part.
01:39:59
Speaker 7: Of that too.
01:40:00
Speaker 1: Voter suppression?
01:40:02
Speaker 4: Doesn't it sound like that? Yeah, that's what that is. So I don't know.
01:40:09
Speaker 1: Well, interesting.
01:40:13
Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
01:40:14
Speaker 1: But you know what? Yeah, if you're registered and you're valid and you see it and it says active, it cannot hurt to do that.
01:40:23
Speaker 8: Right.
01:40:24
Speaker 1: In case you're ever challenged. But Julia has a process and a procedure as well. for if you're ever challenged. And she'll share that when she starts in a couple of weeks. Actually, just a couple quick weeks. She'll be starting. She starts on the day voter registration ends in October. She'll start. And her organization is wonderful, wonderful when it comes to getting around and learning how to teaching people how to handle situations like this when they come up. I want to remind everyone that the Universal Circus is finally here and will be here in the city until Sunday, next Sunday, September the 27th. Sunday, September the 27th, the Universal Circus is going to be here in town. So Lafayette Square Mall, tickets are on sale. You can go to praiseindy.com or you can buy your tickets at the door. Uh, 3919 Lafayette road, 3919 Lafayette road is the address. Uh, they have shows nightly and, uh, thrice on Saturdays and Sundays. So, um, every night, uh, they have a show every evening around seven. I don't have it right here in front of me. I think it's seven.
01:41:45
Speaker 4: I think it is seven. I think it's seven.
01:41:47
Speaker 1: And then, uh, on, um, Sundays, uh, noon, three 30 and seven again, three.
01:41:54
Speaker 4: Shows, uh, Yeah, Saturday and Sundays.
01:41:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, three shows.
01:41:58
Speaker 4: Three shows each day.
01:41:59
Speaker 1: Noon, 3.30 and 7. I think that's right.
01:42:01
Speaker 4: Okay, that's right. I don't have it right.
01:42:03
Speaker 1: Anyway, three shows. Yes, three shows.
01:42:06
Speaker 4: $ 25.
01:42:07
Speaker 7: $ 25.
01:42:07
Speaker 4: Not much at all. $ 25, not at all.
01:42:09
Speaker 1: Indeed. Last caller, Samuel L. Samuel L. Jackson, how are you?
01:42:15
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing great, Tina.
01:42:17
Speaker 6: Yes.
01:42:18
Speaker 3: Hey, look here, the other day I was talking about The circle, you don't get the people to go. So you got a lot of people listening to your show, I'm telling you. I made that announcement.
01:42:30
Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
01:42:31
Speaker 10: Oh.
01:42:32
Speaker 8: Okay.
01:42:33
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:42:34
Speaker 3: My phone was ringing off the hook. Like, wait a minute.
01:42:38
Speaker 10: Oh.
01:42:40
Speaker 1: So, you're not going to have any problem giving away these tickets?
01:42:45
Speaker 3: No, I did not. So, what I done was, the first person that called, I went on and set them up, okay? I got them the, kind of like the best seat in the house, you know, because they were senior citizens.
01:42:57
Speaker 4: Oh, that's nice.
01:42:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a... I think at the latest, I can't remember her name, but I gave her a free VPN, too, okay?
01:43:05
Speaker 1: Oh, that's nice.
01:43:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, she remembers my phone number. She called me.
01:43:11
Speaker 1: Sam the man.
01:43:13
Speaker 3: She told me that her and her husband are two grandkids. I think it's tomorrow evening. No, Sunday.
01:43:18
Speaker 2: Sunday.
01:43:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gave him kind of like the best seat in the house. I took like $ 25, $ 50, $ 75. Oh, okay.
01:43:26
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So it's $ 25 on up.
01:43:28
Speaker 4: Okay.
01:43:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, $ 25 more up. Absolutely. So I got him kind of like in the middle of the way there. And so she was proud of me. She said, thank God I did a call. She said, I'll be listening to her show all the time.
01:43:40
Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Well, tell her thank you. Yeah, indeed. Thank you. Thank her very much. And thank you for doing that.
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Speaker 3: Y'all have a great weekend.
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Speaker 8: Thank you, Sam.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for always helping the community. Thank you. We appreciate you.
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Speaker 3: It's just a blessing. That's all it is.
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Speaker 4: A blessing to help.
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Speaker 10: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 1: Blessing to be a blessing, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 6: It is.
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Speaker 9: Yes, it is. All right.
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Speaker 3: Y'all have a great weekend.
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Speaker 10: You too.
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Speaker 1: You too. So he didn't have to call back and try to figure out how to get rid of the tickets.
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Speaker 4: That's true. He said he had some good news, and that was the good news.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that is all the time we have for right now. As always, thank you so much for listening. We really do appreciate it. Our website is praiseindy.com. Willie Moore Jr. on the radio is next. Right after this, up next, Willie Moore Jr., Please continue to be safe, be well, and stay informed. For everyone here, Eric and myself, this is Community Connection. Have a good weekend, everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want that.
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Speaker 2: Give us that.
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Speaker 3: No, no.
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Speaker 1: But it is Friday. Friday, September the 18th, 317.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Big weekend plan. It rained last night, which was good, I guess.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was good.
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Speaker 5: Heavy, heavy thunderstorms in my area.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Really heavy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, ooh. Nothing serious, though, right?
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Speaker 4: No, nothing like that. Nothing. Thankfully.
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Speaker 1: But it sounded, it was starting to sound that way a little bit. I just happened to be up doing some computer, you know, some stuff on my computer and all of a sudden it just started cutting up out there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: The rains.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did. They did. So, um, 317-480-1310. 317-480-1310 is the number to the show. We're going to do a couple of things. We have a very special guest with us right off the top, and then we're going to go to open lines and we can review. But we would also like for you to participate with our guests, because I know a lot of y'all are historians. Y'all know stuff.
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Speaker 4: OK, that's true.
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Speaker 7: They do.
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Speaker 1: So I know they're going to want to be calling in. But we are, you know, very thrilled, very happy, very honored. to be able to have our guest with us. The reason that he is with us today, he has graced us with his presence, is in addition to a whole lot of other things, September is also Gospel Music Heritage Month. Gospel Music Heritage Month. But what do we, you know, it's always a good time to reflect and to think about it. And, you know, what do we really know about gospel music, the journey, the undeniable influences, even though I'm kind of shading that a little bit, the undeniable influences, the greats, and a whole lot more. And joining us now is one of our own. He also happens to be a Gospel Music Hall of Famer. He is Adrian Warren by day. Well, yeah.
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Speaker 7: I'm always him.
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Speaker 1: He's a general sales manager for the Indianapolis stations of Radio 1. But he is also a 2025, is that correct, inductee into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame. And there's a reason for that, as you all are about to find out. First of all, welcome. Welcome back. You've been with us before.
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Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, Tina. From one Hall of Famer to another.
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Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know.
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Speaker 7: Congratulations.
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Speaker 1: Mine is still sinking in a little bit. Thank you. And congratulations to you. Yours is very new.
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Speaker 7: It is very new. And to some degree, still yet sinks in. Right. Even when they emailed me to be a part of it, to, well, To be a part. Actually, I technically could have been a part of the 2024 induction class, but I came at the back end and then them letting me know, hey, we're just going to move forward with the team and make you a part of the 2025 induction class was like, wow. In my mind, I feel like I'm running ahead of you, but in my mind, I... just to get the call or to get the text and the information, it was very surreal, which I'm sure you feel the same way because it makes you then become reflective. Right. In terms of Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now what? What y'all want now?
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Speaker 7: You know, Hall of Fame sounds so, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It almost indicates a completion of something as opposed to, Because we're both still working on, you know, ongoing. And there were a lot of people in the Broadcasting Hall of Fame that are still working. But, you know, it kind of is an exclamation point for the most part at the end of a career.
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Speaker 7: Correct. And whether that's posthumously or, you know, to the point of retirement. And when I think about it, there were two people who were inducted that same night. who were very instrumental to my career. Al the Bishop Hops posthumously received his award. And then there's a lady named Vicky Latiyad. And Vicky Latiyad is the person who helped found Gospel Centric Records. So Gospel Centric Records, we think about people like Kirk Franklin, Kirk Carr. They owe their careers to that label. And at a point in my career, I... had a chance to work with gospel centric. And then even when we were purchased by Sony, um, I did some contract work, um, still associated with the label under the Sony umbrella. So, um, to me, I feel two significant people who have been a part of my career to not only be inducted, but then to be inducted at the timing for those people. In fact, um, Al's family couldn't make it and they actually asked me to accept his award on their behalf. What an honor. No, really was an honor. Just walking and standing in that moment Just making sure I even honored everything that I was. You know, when you think about who he was to the Indianapolis community, who he was to WTLC, who he was to the Gospel Announcers Guild of the Gospel Music Workshop of America, and then who he was to Gospel Music, to who he was to the Stellar Awards. You know, to who he was just for his own label in and of itself and the people's career he helped launch. He was just a multifaceted individual. And to me, I was like, wow, I'm being inducted with people that shoulders in which I'm built on.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: And you sit back and think clearly. I don't think that my work has been as comparative, right? But, you know, for whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, it was quite significant because you're in there and, you know, quite deserving. But you were celebrated or you have been celebrated for much of your behind the scenes.
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Speaker 7: Correct.
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Speaker 1: Contributions to gospel music as opposed to, I mean, you don't have any albums out.
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Speaker 7: A lot of people, yeah. You know, I minister in my local, and even in my current local church, I'm not singing now. I used to sing.
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Speaker 1: You used to sing?
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Do you have any records out or any records out?
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Speaker 7: So I have sung on records, but because I've been a part of the group or the collaborative or behind the scenes, people don't know. I mean, and I have sang some things professionally, um, You know, I can list opportunities.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I wish I'd known. I could have had it.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or even help to produce shows. So to your point, though, the reason why I was inducted was because I did, I have helped the forward movement of gospel music.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Largely.
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Speaker 7: And that's largely my biggest contribution, which has been a big contribution.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: But, you know.
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Speaker 1: You know so much about it, though. You know it all. You know, the knowledge that you displayed the last time you were here was just jaw-dropping.
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Speaker 7: Right, absolutely. Actually, since I've been here, I trademarked the name, The Gospel Encyclopedia. Oh, you did? I trademarked it, yeah.
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Speaker 8: Okay.
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Speaker 7: Because.
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Speaker 9: Hall of Fame worthy.
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Speaker 7: Because of that. But I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: No, no. You know, for.
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Speaker 1: We talk about it, we say it, but okay, for those who just might be tuning in and might not know, exactly what is gospel music?
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 7: So to me, that's two-part. I figured you would ask that question, right? I do believe that gospel music in and of itself as a genre is a genre that celebrates faith-based music. and the rich cultural history in America. I think when you think about the gospel music industry, however, it's the monetization of that. And I think the gospel music is a very unique genre in that not only is it a genre that is appreciated just for the value that it brings, but because it is attached to our faith, it is attached to the way we believe. It now anchors often how we interact with faith or our higher power or God or whatever. And that becomes something much different.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 7: It's incorporated in our worship services. So it goes beyond the monetization of an industry. And then I think about even the last time that I was here, we started off with gospel music from its days as just being field cold songs, right? And its evolution and involved to the chord structure in the song formation that we understand it to be today, right?
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Speaker 1: But you took me back even further. I'm going to remind you, you took me back even further because you said gospel music is our, and I'm paraphrasing, Our history of being here, it gets back to slavery.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, colts on it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, colts on it. I mean, it is our history in America, I guess, what we call the United States of America, because that's what it was. You say it defines our history. Without gospel music, we have no history.
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Speaker 7: Right, absolutely. When you think about it, they were taking... things that were being said to them or taught to them by the slave master, if you will, from a faith-based perspective, right? And they were using some of those phrasing to help create a language amongst themselves, right? And then from there, you know, the slave master, if you will, thought that they were just selfless what had been shared. not realizing that they were saying, hey, we're going to go on up yonder. He thought they were talking about heaven. And they were talking about going to the north, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 7: And so, yeah. And then I think as we then evolve music, it leaves us and it comes back. And here's what I mean by that, right? You have people like Thomas Dorsey, right, who's recognized. as the father of gospel music, but you got to think he was technically a jazz musician, right. Who in tragedy, um, wrote a song of the heart and a song of faith, you know, precious Lord, take my hand. Um, which then infuses the sound of gospel music, which wasn't current of the day because he was using jazz chords. He was using his formation, his experience to tell a story.
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Speaker 1: And you say not always accepted.
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Speaker 7: And not always accepted. But if you think about now, when we listen to Precious Lords, we cannot imagine that that was not traditional gospel, right?
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: Because as we've evolved, what was once forward becomes traditional. You know, I think about the Andre Crouches or the Winans who were very cutting edged in their day. But now when you hear Andre Crouch song, you can't tell me that people don't revere that as anchoring gospel music, right? And I'm sure as we continue to progress and as music continues to evolve, as we evolve, there are things that we will look back at and be like, oh, why were we even tripping? I mean, we look at that even with Kirk. When we look at the breadth of Kirk's career, there were things that were technically just outrageous. But now there are such staples, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's take a look back or a listen back in– In terms of what you, and you can describe what you were saying, if you can. Let's listen to a couple of the first song here.
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Speaker 4: Sure.
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Speaker 9: All down through the years, the Lord's been good to me.
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Speaker 7: Down through the years, the Lord's been good to me.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that is an example of what? Because I can see that possibly being a field song down through the coded.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would definitely say it started off as being a field song, right? Because it had the rhythm and it was talking about the celebration of God. But if you think about it, even though it's evolved a little bit, its core is from lining a hymn, right?
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 7: And if you think about within our tradition, you start thinking about Charge to Keep I Have. You start thinking about those things that are birthed from a Baptist tradition when they lined hymns. All they did do for that was make it a little bit more commercial for purchasing, right? But that's where that song probably would have come from.
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Speaker 1: Okay, the next one. How would you describe this one?
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Speaker 7: It's another day's journey, and I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad.
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Speaker 6: I'm glad.
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Speaker 7: I'm glad. I'm glad.
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Speaker 1: It's another day's journey, and I'm glad. I'm glad.
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Speaker 7: Again, first of all, that's a song that right now you can't tell anybody that that's not traditional gospel music. But if you listen to the chord structure of that, that would have been birthed from somebody who started off in jazz or jazz or blues.
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Speaker 1: It's got a bluesy.
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Speaker 7: It has a very blues and goes back to the whole storytelling, right? And they were telling a story. And I think what we found was ways to tell our story based upon our music exposure. And that was what was happening in the code song. We were telling a story.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you talk about the monetization and the money, you know, eventually. And I was surprised to find out that this next song is the most recorded song in gospel music history. Do you know what it is before we play it?
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Speaker 7: I do not know. I'll be very interested to hear it.
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Speaker 1: The most recorded. Now, you know, there's always what the best or the most, but this one has been recorded more than any other song in gospel music history.
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Speaker 7: I can't wait to hear it. Are they just making that gospel or are they, are they using it as CCM and all of that as well?
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Speaker 1: I have no idea. That was just, but you know what, when I looked a little further, um, It crossed cultures.
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's cross-cultures.
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Speaker 1: So that crossover appeal is probably what led to the designation as the most recorded song.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, because I can see that song being.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, it was I'll Fly Away.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll Fly Away, which is obviously what? A church hymn, right? Again, which, like I say, goes through the whole industry and the monetization of the fact that we have things that are part of our traditional worship services. But you got to think, I'll Fly Away is a hymn That is probably being sung in Southern gospel churches, very CCM and orientation churches, obviously gospel in and of itself. So it kind of goes within all genres with respect to how it's being sung or played.
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Speaker 1: So what is it about our gospel music heritage that we should be most proud of? And when you talk about monetization, is there anything that, in that word or phrasing or that mindset that concerns you about the future of our gospel music heritage?
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Speaker 7: Oh, wow. There's a lot that I'm just concerned about gospel music heritage before I even get to the monetization.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 7: So to this point, gospel music has, like I said, told our story. And it told our story because it anchored our meeting places, right? Our faith, you know, faith has been a tradition that's been a part of who we are culturally, right? And I think as faith traditions evolve, then how we assemble around faith traditions and have songs that rise above us is going to evolve and change. I think we do have.
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Speaker 7: Very cross-cultural congregations, which we should, right, when we talk about faith. But how does that play its role in the evolution of what's being sown? Because remember what I'm saying is some of this anchored who we were culturally. And so when some of that has been blotted or it's gone differently, then the story itself becomes different. I mean, there's still sectors of people that still impacts, right? But how does that impact the forward movement of the culture? I think the monetization of that as well says that you had to get beyond just who you are. And I think because those songs themselves then come back to us, Because we use them in our worship services. Some of our favorite songs now, unless your church is a church where you're creating songs on the fly or the song of the Lord is coming up as a result of your church, more than likely your music director, your music pastor is pulling popular songs that they hear and someone else has written them. And so those are now infused within your churches. So you're counting on then those people to tell those stories.
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Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 1: So are you saying that some of our culture is at risk of being lost?
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Speaker 7: I would dare say. And at a time when.
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Speaker 4: Really?
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I don't think if people really tap into what it has meant for us, yeah, it can be very lost. Because I think we're living in a day now where culture is being challenged. And I think also if you're not tapped into the cultural relevance of it.
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Speaker 7: It cannot be passed down. And I think that's one reason why the whole idea of doing a Gospel Music Heritage Month was presented to us, right? So that we can pause, we can double down and really honor the tradition while we look forward, right?
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Speaker 1: What is it to you?
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Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 1: You've been in so many different aspects.
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Speaker 7: What is it to you?
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Speaker 8: Wow.
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Speaker 7: So, well, the one thing is I am really pretty big on history. And I'm very big on impact of culture. So it is very important to me. I also believe that to the point of some of the songs, we have gotten where we are by faith for many of us.
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Speaker 1: That's a song.
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Speaker 8: Right, right.
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Speaker 7: We've come this far.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: And I think that that tells the story of where you have come and where you are going to go. And I think it anchors who we are in our now. I mean they're songs that I've sung that have lifted my mindset so that I could have the the thought to believe and so that's important to me but even in doing that it did tell where i came from it did tell the story of my my mother my grandmother yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah the story storytelling uh let's an example of what uh Adrian is talking about. Can we go to the next cut? I think that's storytelling, I think. Here we go. We have it. Say you've gotten too holy. You've become a religious fanatic. You're not going to last very long.
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Speaker 10: But I don't care.
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Speaker 1: I don't care.
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Speaker 8: What they say about me.
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Speaker 1: As long as I know that I'm pleasing the Lord. And I wrote this little song for their benefit. You can't help me. Please don't stop me.
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Speaker 8: Move out of my way.
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Speaker 7: Don't try to block me.
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Speaker 6: I got a reason.
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Speaker 7: And I'm ready.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Now, that was a prime example, I think, of what you just said.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: She told a story before, and then she broke into song. But, you know, what is amazing to me about these songs and how people just, I don't know, enjoy them, I guess, or take.
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Speaker 1: Take inspiration from them because it's not just her story. That story translates to so many people. And then, you know, her, her admin, Hey, look, I'm going, you know, get it. If you're not with me, get out of my way. Cause I I'm, you know, that, and that's the song, uh, by the way, one of our legends used to play that when she would, uh, sign on or sign off. I think, I think sugar point X used to play that.
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Speaker 7: She did.
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Speaker 1: Was it a sign on or sign off?
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Speaker 7: Um, I think it was her, her sign off.
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Speaker 3: Oh, was it?
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Speaker 7: I thought she played something else, signing off.
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Speaker 1: Signing off. But anyway, you don't hear, though, do you? Or do we hear the testimonies? Oh, no, they're there. Are they there?
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Speaker 7: You still hear them in churches? They're there. And I think if we were to go and play some of the more popular songs, they're there, they're breakdown. Do they pause to tell a testimony like that? They may not. But they are there. I think about one particular song where the guy tells the story about how, and this is in the framework of the song, how he had braces on as a child, black braces on as a child, and how his grandmother... took him and said, I'm going to keep this boy with me. And he talked about how she put oil on his head and she began to walk. He began to walk. And that's in the ad lib of what he did, right? So he tells the story about that. There are emotional songs where people can break down. I think you hear that sometimes in some of Kiera Sheard's more popular songs. So I think there are people who tell the story. They just tell a little different, you know, and that, that is, that should happen.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: As, as we get younger.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 7: It doesn't have to sound. And again, church tradition has changed. Like I said, right. So how many churches today have testimony service?
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Speaker 1: Oh, You know, there's some kind of coming up called Testify.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 7: Testify. Which where their whole idea is to try to get people to come back to find new ways to incorporate what testifying in church did.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: That's the whole premise behind it.
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Speaker 1: You know, one of the pastors that was part of that, that they had come in, and I want to talk to him again before the event, but he made an interesting point in saying that The music, you know, through the praise and through the music, the praise in the music has gone from horizontal to vertical.
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Speaker 7: As it should.
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Speaker 1: And, yeah, and he said that, but that is a change or an evolution that a lot of people aren't always accepting of and can be very, you know, put off by.
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Speaker 10: Sure.
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Speaker 7: And it's more than going from her, going from... you know, this way from vertical to horizontal. I think what has happened is that people are concerned by is we're losing some of the cultural sound in that. That's a little different, right? There's some things that in the melting of who we are, we may have evolved the sound to make sure that it's more palatable across culture. And I think there's some things that were rooted in gospel that were unabashedly who we are.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a little mashup too. Eric, can you play this next one? I think this is an example of the vertical, if you will.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: So that's.
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Speaker 4: More. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 7: But I think when I hear people talking about more vertical, I hear them. So more the earlier part where they are slowing it down and they are saying stuff like, you know. You are my king.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The whole song is that, you know, one or two. And, you know, the other thing that that is telling is that, you know, like every praise. I mean, but how many. Majority culture churches, do you hear that on a Sunday morning?
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Speaker 9: A lot.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So many of these so-called vertical gospel music songs are crossing over more than ever.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Especially when you have people like Brooklyn Tabernacle, which is more of the CCM tradition. They're very good for redoing songs that were gospel that they feel that could fit their audience, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 7: Right, and I can see every praise being one of those.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I visited a couple of churches that were not African American, and I was really surprised to hear that.
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Speaker 7: I'm like, well, that's... Yeah, well, there are churches that haven't historically been African American that have no problem now because they want the feeling of it sanitized, and so they have no problem integrating... some of us or some of our thought process and how they worship. And that's fine.
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Speaker 1: I've often heard the difference between a black church and a white church is, is the music. And it probably was the music told more of a story of the black culture than, you know, perhaps a white church or a Catholic church or what have you. The music, the music was always the defining.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: But that's not to say that, um, Catholic churches or whatever did not tell stories, but they would tell stories differently. Right. The pentameter in which the song was constructed was a little different. They were telling stories, but they were doing it within their own rhythm, rhythmic pattern.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:27:36
Speaker 1: So what what do you feel your contribution to gospel music and the heritage of gospel music? is and has been and will continue to be up to this point.
00:27:47
Speaker 7: Sure. As the Gospel Encyclopedia, I actually do a weekly report.
00:27:52
Speaker 10: Oh.
00:27:52
Speaker 7: It's not carried here, but it is carried in other markets.
00:27:55
Speaker 1: Get it here.
00:27:58
Speaker 7: Where I really talk about the things that are happening in the gospel music industry as a whole, which I think is good because it talks about the storytelling. In that, I also talk about different things that are impacting the culture. Like it may be talking about how, let's say, for instance, there are many HBCUs who have major gospel artists this year performing at their homecoming ceremony.
00:28:27
Speaker 10: Oh, really?
00:28:27
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:28:28
Speaker 7: I can think of Kirk Franklin is going to be at three different HBCU homecoming ceremonies. You know what I'm saying? So to me, the fact that the HBCU really understood that there were people who are coming back to homecoming who have a high value for gospel that incorporated in their investment over the weekend, they're bringing in Kirk Franklin. I think that speaks volumes because just think about what HBCUs mean for us culturally. Absolutely. And then to have then a powerhouse like a Kirk Franklin there. I think even he got his doctorate. or his honorary doctorate from HBCU right there in Atlanta. So I think there's that melding that's happening and the fact that we understand the value, one, of who he is just as a businessman and his impact, his influence, but then just what the music itself has meant for us culturally. In fact, I'm going to Black Men Excel Conference, which is a conference that I put on by Black Enterprise Magazine. They've historically have honored major people in business, many men in business, like a Robert Johnson, right? they're honoring kirk franklin amongst the ranks of that as he should be because he not only is a gospel music celebrant but he's a brand holder and there's a lot of things that he's launched that carried the kirk franklin name as a brand.
00:29:56
Speaker 1: Yeah Gospel music is the foundation for how many different musical genres that we have?
00:30:05
Speaker 6: Oh.
00:30:06
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:30:06
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:30:07
Speaker 7: I couldn't even begin a number.
00:30:09
Speaker 1: R & B?
00:30:10
Speaker 7: R & B. Absolutely.
00:30:10
Speaker 1: Blues?
00:30:11
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:30:12
Speaker 4: Jazz?
00:30:13
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Yeah.
00:30:15
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
00:30:15
Speaker 7: Even beyond. Yeah. Think about it. Rosetta Tharpe, who's known as the godmother or grandmother of rock and roll.
00:30:24
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
00:30:25
Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. All the guitar.
00:30:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:30:26
Speaker 7: Started off Church of God and Christ musician, but went back and forth. But because she had such a strong- She's a guitar player. A guitar player.
00:30:36
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:30:36
Speaker 6: Right?
00:30:36
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:30:37
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:30:37
Speaker 7: And here she is. And if you go back and listen to her chord structure, what she played, you can very much hear other rock and roll artists that did that. Um, think about if you go look at, um, Aretha Franklin's video of when, now that the video is released, there were big rock acts who were sitting in the back of the church to experience that.
00:31:00
Speaker 2: Right.
00:31:01
Speaker 7: Um, I hear of honeycomb and how, um, You know, they were birthed from the church, but there are many people who you would go to their Pentecostal church in L.A. just to hear what was going on. There are many rock acts. Think about Billy Preston, who's a church boy who played for the Rolling Stones. And then when you think about major producers in gospel music, I think about Herb, who's produced for Lady Gaga. I think about many of the musicians that I've known that are... travel with major artists, whether that be hip hop or, or pop. Many of them were my friends growing up in gospel music or R and B, you know, you, I think, um, Maze featuring Frankie Beverly, Jubal grew up in church. I mean, so we've been, if we, if they weren't birthed from us, our musiciansry influence, the, how it evolved.
00:32:01
Speaker 10: Hmm.
00:32:02
Speaker 7: You got me excited. I just started going.
00:32:03
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Here's the thing. I can't see those genres existing without it.
00:32:09
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:32:09
Speaker 1: So that, I guess that's my question. I mean, we would not have.
00:32:13
Speaker 2: Right.
00:32:14
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:32:15
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:32:15
Speaker 7: And I think just even to the point that our musicians are helping to produce, it's inherent in the chord structures, inherent in how they, how their ears were shaped, you know? Yeah.
00:32:28
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:32:31
Speaker 1: You say, of course.
00:32:32
Speaker 7: And it's not always credited, right?
00:32:36
Speaker 1: Therein lies the rub. And the concern about the preservation of not only just the music in general, but the culture. Like you say, you've said so many times today, the cultural aspects behind them, what drove the music. Because had it not been for the struggles and the difficulties that we experienced, you know, when we first got here throughout just the struggle to survive, we would not have certain things.
00:33:07
Speaker 7: We would not. I mean, and I think, you know, to that point, gospel music is that it's unique because we can talk about the struggle, but we can talk about overcoming the struggle. We can talk about celebrating in the midst of the struggle. We can think that God who got us through the struggle, right?
00:33:25
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:33:25
Speaker 7: It's all of that.
00:33:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:33:26
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:33:27
Speaker 1: So your, your personal favorites. Oh, Uh, well, maybe there are groups of your personal.
00:33:36
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:33:37
Speaker 1: Anything. It's like asking you to pick your favorite child.
00:33:40
Speaker 7: I know. Um, you know, there, there's so much about gospel that I really, really love. I can look at it from an artistic point of view. And there are things that I just appreciate it from a gas, from an artistic point of view. There are things that have personally fed me. Um, I'll tell you the Donnie, the Donald Lawrence, um, um, songbook where he talks about the word of the Lord is great. That whole record, that has gotten me through a whole series. But from an artistic point of view, you can't take away Everlasting Life, Kim Burrell, and how that particular record, how many people talk about Full Moon changed how people listen to R & B. Everlasting Life from Kim Burrell changed conceptually how people heard. But it doesn't take away from the fact of Oh Happy Day. The reason why Edmund Hawkins is considered the contemporary father of contemporary gospel music because that changed how people looked. You think about Andre Crouch with what he was doing. That changed how we listened. You played Fred Hammond and your mashup. Fred Hammond changed how we approached worship and our church services with a lot of those very early songs with Radical for Christ that they almost became when when when testimony service was dying down. Everybody was almost singing the songs with Fred Hammond, wouldn't you say?
00:35:25
Speaker 4: Yes, I would agree.
00:35:26
Speaker 7: I would certainly agree.
00:35:27
Speaker 6: They were.
00:35:28
Speaker 10: Right.
00:35:28
Speaker 7: And from an offering song, everybody still sings blessed.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:35:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:35:34
Speaker 7: No question.
00:35:35
Speaker 1: But you know what? Every I've noticed in several churches, too, that every Sunday it's not. It used to be when I grew up, the choir, nothing else but the choir. Sometimes you have the praise team, sometimes, you know, worship and praise team. Sometimes you might have the, you know, the brothers, you know, a quartet or something. Sometimes you might have the deacons.
00:35:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:35:57
Speaker 1: And so that is that that that has evolved.
00:36:00
Speaker 7: Yeah, it has. But again, it goes back to what we were talking about, monetization and how it impacts. I think because people consume things differently, things had to evolve.
00:36:11
Speaker 1: Right.
00:36:12
Speaker 7: I think church service had to evolve based on people consumption.
00:36:17
Speaker 10: Right.
00:36:18
Speaker 7: And people participation. And so you've seen a resurgence, though. There's some choirs, especially there's one particular in Texas that is really taking the Internet by storm because people like looking at them. in the choir stand, in their robes, singing. And that is really, and it, it, it's heartwarming to people and they're singing some of the songs that we've enjoyed singing. Um, so there's a return.
00:36:43
Speaker 1: I've seen that, seen that on Instagram.
00:36:45
Speaker 3: Right, right.
00:36:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:36:46
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:36:46
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:36:47
Speaker 7: So there's a return to that and there's people definitely value, but I think it's about getting the volunteers. I think COVID had its impact.
00:36:54
Speaker 1: I was going to ask about that.
00:36:55
Speaker 7: COVID had its impact where it's easier to execute, um, with a praise team. Um, But yeah, I think that there are churches who definitely value the importance of choirs, right?
00:37:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So the importance of our heritage with gospel music, it doesn't sound, I mean, it's a rich and a varied heritage.
00:37:17
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:37:18
Speaker 1: Where do you see us going with that heritage? Forward looking, yeah.
00:37:24
Speaker 6: Sure.
00:37:24
Speaker 7: I'm looking for more people like myself. who are willing to tell the story. And I do see that there are people who are out there. There are younger bloggers that are coming up who are doing what they can to talk about what's happening culturally. Obviously, because they're doing it from a blogging point of view, there's sensationalism that's attached to it for clicks, right? But that socialization and cultural impact. There are people who are doing that, but I do think it's important that more museums are popping up. I'm glad that Jackie Petillo, who is over at the Gospel Music Association, who has worked both CCM and Gospel Records in her creation of the museum in Nashville. She does a very good job of telling the story. I think also in Nashville, there is another musical museum that tells the story. And I think that there are other museums throughout the country that tell the story. So I think that as long as we make sure that those are being preserved, Right. In a time when some of those are being challenged. I think that's important. A good friend of mine also said that it's very important that we buy our own things because technically if those museums shut down and I'll give a good example. A friend of mine had bought colored only signs and white only signs. And I was like, why did you buy that? And he said, because right now to see them. I have to go to a museum to see them. And he said that, um, and this was before everything that we see culturally happening began to happen. And in my mind, I was like, yeah, there's still be no need for it. But what his words resonate with me, he said, because I own these, I still have a part of history that can never be taken away. And I think it's very important for us to preserve this music by continue to keep those types of things. For instance, We don't buy albums anymore. The one thing that you could probably remember is by pulling out your mother's albums or your grandmother's albums, but since everything is digital. there's no physical unit to pass from generation to generation.
00:39:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
00:39:36
Speaker 10: Right.
00:39:36
Speaker 7: You know, there's no Bible that I physically unless somebody's think about it. I have to if I didn't pause and study. Beyond what I do on my phone, I really can access my Bible through my phone, right? But there's something that's passed from tradition to tradition. When I pass my Bible to you, you can at least see what I highlighted. You can see what I underlined. You can study. What I've been studying, and that tells a story. And I think.
00:40:01
Speaker 1: Well, the gospel, the encyclopedia that you... No, seriously, that's a preservation right there.
00:40:09
Speaker 7: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
00:40:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, can you tell us more about it and how people can access it and find out?
00:40:18
Speaker 7: Sure, sure, sure. You know, there are a lot of projects I'm rolling on, and my wife, who's probably listening right now, is going to champion you as I get home.
00:40:27
Speaker 8: Hi, Ms.
00:40:27
Speaker 10: Rashina.
00:40:29
Speaker 7: As I get home and she rolls out a ruler to say, I told you you should have did da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. But, you know, I am working on projects like that. do that um where their websites their blogs um and obviously books they're great books out there i will tell you there's a guy who's a pr guy who right now we look at him as being a great historian his name is bill carpenter and he actually does pr for ty scott records oh okay who's a 50 year old company here in the city but a lot of times when a lot of people need to find history they may either go to bill or there's another young man um in chicago um who's a great historian. I'm glad that NPR, right, did the whole gospel music history. That was a five part. Oh, it was done very well. I mean, that I have some friends who were like, they didn't include us. You know, it's hard to include the breadth of who we are in a four part series. I thought they did the best that they could to try to talk about the past. And then at least those young people were coming up.
00:41:35
Speaker 1: It's going to be around for a while.
00:41:37
Speaker 7: Hopefully, yes.
00:41:38
Speaker 9: Hopefully?
00:41:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully, yes.
00:41:41
Speaker 1: Okay. No, no, it's going to be.
00:41:43
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the only reason why I say because the industry itself may impact what people buy. And like I said, what we buy is what we sing in our churches. So hopefully it is still, obviously, if the monetization of it still doesn't exist, we'll find a way to share music, right?
00:42:02
Speaker 2: But, yeah.
00:42:04
Speaker 1: Indianapolis influencers, finally, before we have to let you go, the Indianapolis influence, people from here on the history. You started out with one right away.
00:42:14
Speaker 7: Yeah. Ty Scott Records, obviously. And the fact that they're still kicking. And there's still a passageway for many people to join on with them. Some of the partnerships that they continue to make, they're great. And Dr. Scott and and Bryant are phenomenal people, right? They've created, a lot of things have come through their 50 years. I dare not say Lamar, who works with us, right?
00:42:42
Speaker 1: Well, Lamar, our guy, our guy.
00:42:46
Speaker 7: You know, and I think Lamar and I have these conversations all the time because I feel like we feel that we are a bridge, if you will, because we were very connected to, you know, some older people, in the city as we still are mentoring younger people here. And we're hoping, Lamar, I'm putting your idea out there. Lamar is hoping to create, you know, his own thing that really celebrates the heritage of gospel and its impact across the country.
00:43:17
Speaker 1: And I love what you just said, the impact across the country, because most people point to the South and rightfully so.
00:43:24
Speaker 7: Well, for gospel, most people point to Chicago.
00:43:27
Speaker 1: Well, is that where Dorsey originated? Yeah. But a lot of people think of Southern Baptist, Southern gospel.
00:43:36
Speaker 7: Yeah, people gravitate. And obviously, Mahalia came from the South. Dorsey came from the South. But you look at Chicago, eventually then Detroit and New York. But most of those people are people who, you know, went on up. To glory, which was going over across the line, right?
00:43:52
Speaker 1: Going up yonder. They went on to glory. So it's a fascinating time. And I just love sitting down talking to you because, like I said, you are an encyclopedia. You are a gospel. Thank you. And congratulations on your recent induction. And it's a wonderful thing. It's a wonderful thing. So we got to see what comes for you next. I know you talked about the projects you're working on, but I think there's probably still more.
00:44:19
Speaker 7: Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you for challenging me in your own way.
00:44:22
Speaker 4: You're signing autographs, right?
00:44:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is.
00:44:24
Speaker 7: You're doing autographs?
00:44:26
Speaker 1: Adrian Warren, our general sales manager.
00:44:28
Speaker 4: He's not saying a word on that one.
00:44:30
Speaker 1: Gospel music. I told Eric, I said, there's nothing you can ask him regarding gospel music that he doesn't have the answer for. No, that's true.
00:44:39
Speaker 4: That's what you said.
00:44:41
Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
00:44:42
Speaker 1: Sally Martin.
00:44:44
Speaker 8: Yes.
00:44:45
Speaker 10: Okay.
00:44:46
Speaker 1: I just threw that out there.
00:44:48
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:44:48
Speaker 1: Her association with Thomas Dorsey was.
00:44:51
Speaker 7: You know, I really love the documentary that talks about that. She really helped him orchestrate the Convention of Choir and Choruses, which still carries on to this day. And I think the Convention of Choir and Choruses really helped with the disbursement of gospel music because that's how they pass the sheet music so that it can become a part of people's churches, right?
00:45:18
Speaker 1: So up front, but kind of behind the scenes?
00:45:20
Speaker 7: Yeah, because she was our own singer.
00:45:22
Speaker 1: Does that sound familiar?
00:45:23
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely.
00:45:26
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just saw some similarities.
00:45:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did. She did. But Eric, you have a question? Any questions?
00:45:35
Speaker 4: You've covered everything.
00:45:36
Speaker 1: No, not even close.
00:45:37
Speaker 6: I'm serious.
00:45:38
Speaker 4: I cannot think of anything.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: I have not even begun to scratch the surface.
00:45:42
Speaker 5: There's so much there. I mean, wisdom, knowledge. experience, Adrienne, that you have with the industry.
00:45:49
Speaker 4: And I applaud you.
00:45:51
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely. And again, I applaud the late Representative Sheila Jackson Lee for fighting that this would be recognized. Because this is recognized by Congress. How long has it been a recognition? I think since 2008. Okay. Right? And then, to believe it or not, even before it got in the hands of Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, it was a man by the name of Alvin Williams who fought for the idea that it would be something that needs to happen. And at the time he was working at a now defunct TV brand that was the Gospel Music Heritage Channel. So he fought for that. But we still do see Alvin because we're familiar with the Black Promoters Collective. They bring a lot of shows like the Queens tour. that had Gladys Knight and all of those. Alvin is a part of that team of promoters, you know, selfishly doing other things that still impact culture and music. But he would be the one who kind of instituted the idea that gave Sheila Jackson Lee the reason to fight for that in Congress.
00:47:06
Speaker 1: She was quite the champion. You know, she used to come here off and on she and Julia Carson became fast friends when they were both in Congress and she would support all of Julia Carson's initiatives and it would be vice versa. Julia would be down there, but both of those ladies did not back.
00:47:22
Speaker 7: Down at all. Fun fact, fun fact. I sit on the board for the National Association of Gospel Radio and we did a conference in Houston. And while we received the, the, While we were in Houston doing the conference, she actually gave us a key to the city, which I had the chance to accept and talk about. I have to share the video where I acknowledge her while we received the award.
00:47:50
Speaker 1: How long had she been in Congress from Houston? A number of years? She was there quite a while.
00:47:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, she was a staple.
00:47:58
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Sheila Jackson Lee, Eric?
00:48:00
Speaker 4: You know, sadly, I'm not.
00:48:02
Speaker 1: She was the black woman and most recently had a braid around her head. When you say that, I'm reminded now. And I don't want to say fired, but just stood up for people.
00:48:15
Speaker 4: She stood up. She didn't back down.
00:48:16
Speaker 1: She stood up. And Julia Carson here. And like I said, I remember when I was still doing news covering some events and things that they were working on. But yeah, this is phenomenal. So 2008. To 2026, that's what? I don't do math.
00:48:36
Speaker 4: Is that almost? 16 years?
00:48:38
Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
00:48:39
Speaker 3: Almost.
00:48:40
Speaker 1: No, wait a minute. Eight to 18 is 10. Let me get my fingers. You know what?
00:48:47
Speaker 7: I got into radio.
00:48:49
Speaker 3: 18.
00:48:49
Speaker 8: 18.
00:48:49
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:48:50
Speaker 7: Almost 20.
00:48:51
Speaker 4: Almost 20.
00:48:51
Speaker 1: Almost 20, yeah. Be like the cyphering on TV, you know, not. But that is fantastic because I'm sure that, It's grown and will continue to grow. I hope it does.
00:49:04
Speaker 7: I hope it does. Well, they still do things.
00:49:06
Speaker 1: As you say, you hope.
00:49:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, you hope. They still do things. There was a group that gathered last week to a very select group. They used different people in the industry from producers to artists and talent.
00:49:19
Speaker 10: Right.
00:49:20
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:49:20
Speaker 7: So hopefully, yeah.
00:49:22
Speaker 10: Yeah.
00:49:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:49:23
Speaker 7: I think we're in, we're in very challenging times where I don't know that the value of true history is being, and I think if you don't have generational, uh, people who are ready to take the reins, right. Cause I can only take the reins too fast. for so long. Right. And I am intentionally trying to make sure I pass the baton, but you have to have baton carriers.
00:49:47
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:49:47
Speaker 4: That's true.
00:49:47
Speaker 1: And we have to have the baton carriers that are interested, you know, not just in carrying a baton, but truly interested in, in the history of the culture and the preservation of such. I think our culture will remain. It's just the, the preservation of it. I mean, you know, that there's, there's a lot of concern. And, and, and again, you know, when we talk about things like Expo and Classic and other things, those were all, they remain a celebration of our cultures, but sometimes, you know, the messaging and the, it can go astray.
00:50:18
Speaker 7: Or monetization, right?
00:50:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
00:50:20
Speaker 7: Those things exist because they're able to be funded. Think about some of the things, you know, think about, I'll give a good example. Black Family Reunion was created to encourage family Um, there are only two that I know of in one in Cincinnati. I don't know the lady who's over that, who happens to be someone who works with me in gospel music, Tracy artists. Um, but she may have one of the only last ones that still is in existence. And that started by the, you know, the, uh, the colored women's Federation to encourage, uh, family uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh okay so that's why i say it exists Should it exist?
00:51:07
Speaker 4: Should it exist?
00:51:08
Speaker 1: Hopefully it exists.
00:51:09
Speaker 3: Hopefully, yeah.
00:51:10
Speaker 6: Indeed.
00:51:10
Speaker 1: Well, this has truly been. Is there anything that you wanted to share that we didn't touch on? I mean, I want to give you the opportunity.
00:51:17
Speaker 7: No, I'm just thankful for the opportunity because in doing this alone, we are giving voice to it. We're giving the opportunity for it to be heard, for there to be an appeal to someone who may be listening, whether now in the replay or in their car or whatever. where they're listening to hopefully it inspired them, right?
00:51:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:51:39
Speaker 7: And maybe caused them to go look up some stuff now because you played some deep cuts.
00:51:45
Speaker 1: Well, we'll probably play. We'll go into the commercial. Just pick one, Eric. Just pick one. Go into the commercial. But, yeah, they were all just all so different. And that's, you know, even this station alone, like sometimes if I listen to the music, it's so different. It's so far reaching.
00:52:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:04
Speaker 1: From jazz artist Diane Reeves to, you know.
00:52:09
Speaker 7: Well, gospel music is one of those genres that has genres within itself, right? Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, because within gospel music, there are gospel jazz people like a Ben Tankard or there are gospel rap like a Lecrae. There is.
00:52:27
Speaker 1: Jonathan Butler recently. Jonathan Butler.
00:52:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jonathan Butler, he's... He's.
00:52:32
Speaker 1: A jazz guitarist.
00:52:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, jazz guitarist. And believe it or not, I've worked at Jonathan Butler.
00:52:36
Speaker 1: What?
00:52:37
Speaker 4: Have you really?
00:52:37
Speaker 1: South African jazz.
00:52:39
Speaker 3: Really?
00:52:39
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:52:40
Speaker 1: What was it like?
00:52:41
Speaker 7: He's one of my favorites. You know, it was phenomenal being on tour with him. We actually did his tour. He was going in between doing jazz dates and church dates at the same time. You did. This is why I mentioned the article. And it was right off of the success of Falling in Love with Jesus. We were doing it. So it was amazing hearing him tell the story of how that song originated. It just originated as a vertical worship. He was literally walking... in culture, in the nature, and was just valuing nature and saying how I'm able to fall in love with God through looking at nature. But, you know, there's so much to that tour that was so phenomenal. Just how he went in and out of different churches. Man, he was just able to flex. If the church was very music strong, he was able to flex. If the church was very vocally strong, I mean, he was... he just was a chameleon on that tour. And it was a great, it was great opportunity to tour with him promoting music.
00:53:47
Speaker 1: He's phenomenal. Absolutely.
00:53:50
Speaker 10: Indeed.
00:53:51
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I don't want to end, but we got to. We have to end.
00:53:55
Speaker 7: We have to end.
00:53:56
Speaker 1: Because as you very well know, as a sales manager, we got to pay bills.
00:53:59
Speaker 7: We have to pay bills. And if you don't run them spots, I'm going to be real upset that you don't run them spots.
00:54:09
Speaker 10: Indeed.
00:54:10
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Adrian. I appreciate you.
00:54:13
Speaker 2: All right.
00:54:13
Speaker 7: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Much continued success.
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Speaker 9: WTLC AM, W236 CR, Indianapolis. Broadcasting from the Praise Indy, Indigo Studios. Indigo, boldly moving Indy forward. Discussing the issues that matter to you and keeping you informed with what's happening in and around Indy. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM. And we are back.
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Speaker 1: Heading in, oh, we are into our second hour.
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Speaker 9: Mr.
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Speaker 1: Eric, are you there?
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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, I'm right here.
00:54:55
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. You know, it's just always fascinating to pick his brain. And sometimes, yeah, sometimes we forget because we see him in his sales manager mode.
00:55:07
Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: He does a great job with that, but my goodness, he is an encyclopedia.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I completely agree. It's like, wow.
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Speaker 1: I think that I forgot to ask him. I forgot to ask him. I think that that idea came from someone who once called him. The Encyclopedia. Yeah, maybe I'll create one. But thank you so much, Adrian Warren.
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Speaker 4: That was really a good segment.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:55:27
Speaker 4: Very good segment.
00:55:28
Speaker 1: Gospel Music Heritage Month.
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Speaker 5: Learning something. You learn things from Community Connection.
00:55:33
Speaker 1: You learn.
00:55:33
Speaker 4: Every day.
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Speaker 10: Every day.
00:55:36
Speaker 1: Hope so. I hope so.
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Speaker 3: You do.
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Speaker 1: That is the goal.
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Speaker 4: Education.
00:55:39
Speaker 1: Education.
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Speaker 4: Indeed.
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Speaker 1: 317-480-1310. We'll go open lines the rest of the way out. Open lines and a little bit of Week in Review, the rest of the show. 317-480-1310 for whatever may be on your mind. And I guess we can start.
00:55:56
Speaker 5: 317-480-1310.
00:55:59
Speaker 1: We can start, Eric, with the weather.
00:56:02
Speaker 7: The weather.
00:56:04
Speaker 1: The weather, yes, indeed.
00:56:06
Speaker 5: Well, right now, as you can see, it's really cloudy today. Very, very cloudy downtown right now. 79 is what we had last time I checked.
00:56:14
Speaker 4: Let's see. It's 80 now.
00:56:16
Speaker 3: Oh, it is?
00:56:17
Speaker 4: It's 80. Just changed a bit ago. And it feels like 83. That's a heat index.
00:56:23
Speaker 5: Today should be dry after the thunderstorms early this morning, late last night.
00:56:28
Speaker 4: High around 80.
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Speaker 5: That's the expected high by this afternoon. Tonight, 66. Tomorrow, making plans for the weekend. High 80 again. There's a chance of showers, maybe some thunderstorms. Better chance in the afternoon tomorrow than on Sunday. Looks like showers for part of the day. 50% chance there. Rain's going to be sticking with us, it looks like, through Tuesday, possibly.
00:56:51
Speaker 1: Off and on?
00:56:53
Speaker 3: Off and on.
00:56:53
Speaker 1: A daily chance of rain?
00:56:54
Speaker 4: A daily chance of rain, yes.
00:56:55
Speaker 1: So we're going to see these cloudy, overcast conditions through Tuesday.
00:57:00
Speaker 4: They're going to be sticking around for a while.
00:57:02
Speaker 1: After enjoying such warm all that sunshine fuzzy sunshine.
00:57:06
Speaker 5: And 90s being indiana you know they could come back at some point yeah you know what's happened before.
00:57:11
Speaker 1: Yeah i think you know what i'm not one of the things i'm not looking forward to is the the dread you know like today.
00:57:16
Speaker 4: Oh yeah like this way all the.
00:57:19
Speaker 1: Way yeah it's just a dreary dreary.
00:57:22
Speaker 5: Yeah it's like we need the sun so we got to create our own vitamin d yeah we do create our own right here that's a good.
00:57:28
Speaker 1: Idea well hey chance of weather but i we were We were talking about the storms that moved through last night.
00:57:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
00:57:36
Speaker 5: And pretty intense for us. I mean, the thunder was so heavy at times. It was like the sky falling. It was just really, really heavy thunder.
00:57:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just decided to stay up.
00:57:48
Speaker 4: You stayed up for the whole thing?
00:57:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, until I fell asleep. You ever have those evenings when you think, okay, I'm going to do this, this, and that. Next thing you know. you, you wake up and your, your laptop's in your lap. And that was, it was over to the side.
00:58:03
Speaker 4: But I'm like, yeah, that falling asleep.
00:58:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:58:07
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
00:58:08
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So what, but, but yeah, I did stay awake through a lot of it because I just, part of me wanted to make sure that it didn't get any worse or I didn't hear any sirens because it was getting pretty rough.
00:58:19
Speaker 4: It was, I agree for us too. Pretty rough. And I, you know, there are some things, I don't know.
00:58:24
Speaker 5: I like to be aware if, Lightning hits something, causes issues, that kind of thing.
00:58:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310. Give us a call. What's on your mind? Lines are open. I'm going to remind you guys of a couple of things, share a few things with you. One of the things I wanted to follow up on, one of our regular callers, Mr. Russell, Mr. Guy Russell, had asked about Indiegogo. offering special routes, if you will, additional routes to the Lafayette Square area during the Universal Circus's 10-day run. They're going to be here until the 27th. Circus opened yesterday. And I did contact Indigo, Mr. Russell. I did contact Indigo. And as I was telling you, I didn't think so, but I'm going to read you exactly the exact direct reply, communications from Indigo. And it reads, and I, again, it reads, Hi, Tina. You are correct. We are not adding routes for the Universal Circus. As a reminder, we do have two routes that service the area, Route 37 and Route 38. Route 37 and Route 38. And I believe Mr. Russell may have shared that with us as well when he was asking. But I told him I would ask, and I did. And they responded in a very nice way. So there you have it. So if you're listening, Mr. Russell, we got an answer to your question.
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Speaker 7: 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310.
01:00:01
Speaker 1: Marvin, go ahead. How are you?
01:00:10
Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Tina and Eric. Thanks for taking my call.
01:00:13
Speaker 2: How are you doing, Tina?
01:00:14
Speaker 1: Doing good. Thank you. Thank you. You doing okay?
01:00:16
Speaker 8: You doing all right?
01:00:17
Speaker 6: I'm doing all right.
01:00:18
Speaker 8: Doing all right. I'm starting to learn like the old people used to say, as long as I'm six feet above ground.
01:00:24
Speaker 1: You're a young man, still a young man.
01:00:28
Speaker 8: But I wanted to say, you know, I wonder, and, you know, with this whole Indy thing, and, you know, when they did, When IPS joined EnrollIndy, I really didn't understand what the intention of EnrollIndy was. People tried to explain it to me. Now I see. And, you know, I wonder how long we're going to allow IPS to keep being bullied because I feel like they're being bullied, Tina.
01:00:55
Speaker 2: And I'm not against it.
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Speaker 8: I tell people that charter school, I didn't even know that enrollment was already in the IPEC law, the IPEC board. could be in charge of enrollment. So the charter lobby thought about everything, you know, and I don't remember people ever talking about that piece. I knew facilities and buses, but I never knew that the law, that the existing law already allows IPEC to take over enrollment for, you know, charters and IPS and center township.
01:01:25
Speaker 1: So EnrollIndy, they broke, right? IPS broke with EnrollIndy, right? Right.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, but they'll be right back with them next year because we're sure IPEC is going to force them, take over enrollment and force IPS to rejoin. And I tell people it's almost, you know, in Chicago and New York City, when they pass charters, and we got to remember it was our Democratic mayor that did this. When they had charters, the charters are a part of the school district. So there's not this big competition there. They're working together. You know, here we created a competitive environment. And now the charter lobby has successfully said, OK, it's competitive, but we want everything to be slanted in charter favor, if you get what I'm saying. So, you know, it's almost like Wendy's. You know, I like a Wendy's burger better than I like McDonald's. And say McDonald's was struggling. I say, oh, well, you got to advertise your burger with Wendy's, you know, so people can know that there's another option there. As if you don't see that there's charter schools and IPS schools, township schools, parochial schools. But in rural India's whole goal was to, and it's worked because that's why Shannon got so upset with her post. In rural India has increased charter because IPS, if you read their vaccine and they said it, Parents don't know that there's a difference. And that's the point of EnrollIndy, if you get what I'm trying to say.
01:02:50
Speaker 2: So I guess, and PowerSchool.
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Speaker 8: Is a much better, when my son moved to Lawrence Township and they used PowerSchool, it was such an easier process for enrollment. With EnrollIndy currently as it was, you had to go through them. Then you got to hope that you get your first selection of the school because, you know, you got to pick four schools, uh, And then if you do get the IPS school you chose, then there's another layer of paperwork that you have to do for IPS. And then IPS said they don't even have access to the information that's entered into EnrollIndy. So it just makes sense.
01:03:27
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
01:03:27
Speaker 8: But yeah, read their facts. If you go to IPS website, they explain why they made the decision. You know, EnrollIndy said we're going to waive fees for a year. Now I understand why they did that because... you know, probably by next school year, 2028, 2029, IPS will be forced to rejoin because IPEC is going to take, you know, over the enrollment process. And this is just nothing but bullying.
01:03:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. And look at the makeup and the backgrounds of the IPEC board. Do you see it's predominantly charter backgrounds?
01:04:07
Speaker 8: There you go.
01:04:08
Speaker 1: The people are predominantly from a charter.
01:04:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
01:04:11
Speaker 8: There you go. And I said on the chalk beat on the Facebook post, I said this election and Andrea Hundley is not opposed to charter school.
01:04:20
Speaker 6: She's not.
01:04:20
Speaker 8: She was an excellent principal. I had kids that were in my daycare that went to her school. So I would talk to her when she was down in school, too. But I think what a mayor that's not bought by the charter lobby, and I'm not opposed to charter schools. What I'm opposed to, Tina.
01:04:37
Speaker 1: This is the way they're operating, yeah.
01:04:39
Speaker 8: The way they're operating, and we have to, as a community, I think the community just don't understand. I did not know that the law already gave IPEC the authority to take over enrollment.
01:04:51
Speaker 1: I did not know that either.
01:04:52
Speaker 2: I did not know that. Yep, yep.
01:04:53
Speaker 10: Wow.
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Speaker 8: It's a power. It was a power grabbing. Agnes Shelton, she's a wonderful person. person that's been committed to education she's been trying to tell me for years that this was coming and she knew it was coming and it appeared and they thought of everything and I think they said rise with their glorified tutoring program CEO making $ 300, 000 a year From what people have told me, because I haven't followed them, they said they've got a hack going out basically telling people, oh, don't worry, IPEC is in charge of IPS now. I haven't seen the advertisement, but they're basically saying, don't worry about it. We got this covered.
01:05:32
Speaker 3: And it's a shame.
01:05:34
Speaker 6: And it's a de-shame.
01:05:36
Speaker 8: And so thanks for taking my call. I've just been frustrated about it.
01:05:40
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, rightfully so.
01:05:42
Speaker 9: We let IPS.
01:05:44
Speaker 3: Be bullied.
01:05:45
Speaker 8: We let the charter lobby, the mine trust in their money, buy the city. And I like people at the mine trust. I think some of their programs are great.
01:05:55
Speaker 1: But it all has to, it should all be balanced or mitigated. And if we don't get involved, and as you say, find out more, pay attention more, these types of things, you're going to get steamrolled. You're going to get steamrolled.
01:06:08
Speaker 8: That's what's happening. IPS, It's why they are improving. You can't use the lie that IPS is not offering quality education. They always did, but there was work that needed to be done. But at this point, it's just a power grab. It's just doing what really Republicans wanted to do all along, just destroy traditional public schools and try to give them a pot of black students, black and brown, which I call the black and brown hustle, you know, to say, oh, well, we can't be racist because we're supporting these kids over here. You know, but we're in. but they don't have to have teachers unions. And I'm not all that shook up about the teachers union, you know, but they don't have to have teachers unions. They don't have to have this. They don't have to have that. And so if you're not paying attention, you can get caught up in this idea that it's really about children. And you see all the money that CEOs of charter advocacy groups are making $ 500, 000 a year, money that can be going into the classroom to advocate for charters. Here you have an organization raising $ 40 million dollars to advocate for charter schools while IPS is about $ 40 million short. So if it's about supporting kids and offering a high-quality education, wouldn't that money be better served to be raised for our school districts or even charter schools? Thanks for taking my call.
01:07:27
Speaker 1: No, thank you. And the other final thought, Marvin, is location, location, location. When you look at where the location is and as they say, follow the dollar. I mean, there's no reason that the head of IPEC should be making that kind of money with these kids needing that. And then they're wanting they're wanting property tax, you know. You pay for it with the referendum.
01:07:50
Speaker 8: You expect people to go vote for that.
01:07:52
Speaker 1: I mean, the people that.
01:07:54
Speaker 8: Want to support it, Tina, want to. And I believe wholeheartedly that 90 percent of the people, if it passes, will be supporting it because they want to see IPS.
01:08:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a catch 22. It is. It is.
01:08:07
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
01:08:07
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Because who doesn't want kids to have what they need? There are young people to have what they need to succeed. Who doesn't want that? And you know how parents, they'll go without to make sure that the kids have what they need. So that's the same concept. But by and large, as one of our guests said, we shouldn't be legislating by referendum. We shouldn't.
01:08:29
Speaker 8: We should not.
01:08:30
Speaker 1: We need to get more involved in the voting process.
01:08:33
Speaker 8: Last comment, because you brought that up. Then you see they cut education so much that they had to do the referendum. And then if you remember... I don't remember how many legislative sessions ago they were trying to stop the districts from being able to do referendums. And I'm not even 100 percent sure that didn't pass. You know, it's crazy.
01:08:52
Speaker 1: It is. It is. Go ahead.
01:08:56
Speaker 8: Oh, I just said thanks.
01:08:58
Speaker 1: Oh, no, thank you. Thank you, Marvin. because you told me some stuff. I want to follow up on some of that stuff.
01:09:03
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm shocked. It just really shocked me. They learned it already. They thought of everything, and they slipped that in, and we didn't know. People didn't, because people were so excited about IPS making the decision, and then shocked me. If you read, they did an article that said, I think IPS even acknowledges acknowledges it on their facts that IPEC has the authority to take over enrollment. And you know they're going to do it because they're going to want to put them back in with that enrollment system.
01:09:31
Speaker 3: Yep.
01:09:31
Speaker 4: Wow.
01:09:32
Speaker 6: All right.
01:09:32
Speaker 1: Thank you, Marvin. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 6: 317-480-1310.
01:09:34
Speaker 4: 317-480-1310.
01:09:34
Speaker 1: There's no substitute for getting involved. No, there isn't. And they always manage to slip it in. Yeah, they slip it in there.
01:09:48
Speaker 4: Just quietly slip it in.
01:09:50
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:09:50
Speaker 4: And the next thing you know, it's here now.
01:09:52
Speaker 1: But I would agree. You don't have to have anything against charter schools or any type of schools, but the way they operate, they only operate in certain areas, location, location, and they have a tremendous amount of money at their disposal and They also have very little accountability because the members of the boards of directors of some of these schools don't even live here. They live out of state. It's a difficult situation. And maybe if the infrastructure of it all were different, it might be more of a working relationship. Like Marvin said, in Chicago, it might be better.
01:10:38
Speaker 4: Maybe it might be.
01:10:39
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, but Chicago Public Schools. I don't know. But I've got to look into that a little bit. Thank you, Marvin, for bringing that to our attention.
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Speaker 10: 317-480-1310.
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Speaker 2: 317-480-1310.
01:10:51
Speaker 1: Jeff, go ahead. How are you?
01:10:53
Speaker 2: Hey, happy Friday, everybody.
01:10:54
Speaker 1: Happy Friday.
01:10:55
Speaker 4: Happy Friday.
01:10:55
Speaker 1: It is Friday.
01:10:58
Speaker 2: You know, the dirty little thing about charter school, you know how they came about, don't you, Tina?
01:11:03
Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean?
01:11:05
Speaker 2: Well, the reason being, when the Board v. Brown v. Brown, you know, with desegregation.
01:11:17
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
01:11:19
Speaker 2: And the so-called white folks who didn't want their kids to go to school with black folks saw an opportunity to keep their kids from going to school with black folks, so they enrolled them in all these Christian schools, whatever. in the 70s, when they were enforcing busing or whatever. So it was sort of like their get-out-of-jail-free card. And then you had this rise of charter, of these Christian-based charter schools. But there really wasn't anything Christian about it. They just didn't want white kids to go to school with black kids. So that's their little origins of charter schools. Just a little food for thought, you know. You know, it was well-documented public history, you know. history, but yeah, that's the dirty little secret about charter schools is that white folks put their kids in private schools or faith-based schools because the law of the land was segregation was illegal. Equal and unfair. So I'm just saying, just some food for thought. Tina, Eric, have you heard about this bill being passed by Republicans where they're basically telling women, especially young white women, Not to go get an education, not to go out and get a job, but just stay at home and have babies. Have you heard about that?
01:12:36
Speaker 4: I missed that one, Tina.
01:12:37
Speaker 6: You?
01:12:38
Speaker 1: No, I don't recall hearing or reading anything about that. When did they pass it?
01:12:45
Speaker 2: I think it got squashed.
01:12:47
Speaker 1: Oh, this was a proposal.
01:12:49
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:12:51
Speaker 1: Proposed piece of legislation.
01:12:53
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:12:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, introduced by the Republicans in the U.S. Congress. I think it's right out of Project 2025, if I'm not mistaken.
01:13:03
Speaker 1: Probably.
01:13:03
Speaker 2: Because white women are not having enough babies.
01:13:08
Speaker 1: Oh, you know what? I did hear something about a measure that may... Yeah, I heard something about it being... I don't know, in the works or formulated, I didn't, yeah, I didn't really follow up because it sounded so absurd to me. I didn't keep reading.
01:13:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of, you know, it was pretty dystopian.
01:13:27
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, right out of the Handmaid's Tale.
01:13:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, Handmaid's Tale.
01:13:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it got crooked. It was like, you know, they tried to sneak it in, but it was like, no, man, you know, no. No, we ain't doing it. But they're basically telling young women, don't get you an education. Don't look for a career. Just stay at home. Raise your children and have babies. And the reason being because, well, next time a white person calls you a minority, I want you to really think about that. Are we really the minority, Eric?
01:14:01
Speaker 4: Are we really? I remember hearing something, it's been a number of years ago, where.
01:14:08
Speaker 5: They wanted to make sure that white women, they wanted to try to assure somehow that white women would have male children. because they felt that the white male was the minority. And so they wanted to keep that from happening, if he were, from becoming the minority.
01:14:26
Speaker 4: So that was the goal.
01:14:29
Speaker 2: It's all part of that hysteria of, what, 2042, that we'll be a majority-minority country, people of color, whatever. And I'm saying is that we're already on the planet, I would dare to say, Tina, and there's probably more people that look like us than, say, Mike Braun. Wouldn't y'all agree with that?
01:14:51
Speaker 3: Hmm.
01:14:54
Speaker 6: Hmm.
01:14:55
Speaker 2: Well.
01:14:56
Speaker 1: You know, Marion County is a majority minority.
01:14:58
Speaker 2: I ain't talking about Marion County. I'm just talking about the planet.
01:15:01
Speaker 1: Oh, the planet.
01:15:02
Speaker 7: Oh, the planet.
01:15:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:15:03
Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
01:15:03
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. Okay.
01:15:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:15:06
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:15:06
Speaker 2: There's more people that look like me and you than they do. than Jerry Falwell or Pete Hegsett. And the white population is rigging all around the world. That's why we have Brexit, because there was too many immigrants coming into Europe and all that. So, yeah, I never really bought into that. I'm a minority. No, I'm the majority. And especially when I was in the Navy and all that, I saw more people of color than I did see. I mean, if you go to Italy, Italy's like, you know, very, you know, especially around the southern part, I mean, very, you know, olive-skinned, dark-skinned people in Spain, whatever. So I'm just saying is all of this stuff is really rooted in fear.
01:15:56
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
01:15:57
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
01:15:58
Speaker 6: It's fear. Yeah.
01:16:00
Speaker 2: And we just got calling for what it is. You know, white fear, white flight, whatever, it's all based in fear. You know, white supremacy is fear-based.
01:16:08
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:16:10
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:16:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, just food for thought, people. I mean, you know, the Great Replacement Theory, I'm sure you all heard of that and everything. It's all connected with charter schools, you know, even though, you know, I'm all, you know, I got no problem with charter schools. You know, they really have the well-being of the students in mind. And I'm all for IPS, too, public education.
01:16:33
Speaker 6: You know.
01:16:34
Speaker 2: And so, but a lot of this is... as a rooted in fear and I'm not a minority.
01:16:41
Speaker 8: Nope.
01:16:42
Speaker 2: Refuse me calling minority. Cause, uh, you know, there's, you know, there's more black people. Asians got to, there's more of them than anybody, but then it's black folks and indigenous cultures and people like, uh, what's that Senator, that clownish Senator we got here. I ain't talking about, uh, banks, banks.
01:17:02
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:17:02
Speaker 1: Banks.
01:17:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:17:04
Speaker 10: Oh yeah.
01:17:04
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:17:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that clown. You know, he's one to scare the debate women. Anyway, but anyway, so I'm just saying that, you know, the dirty little history about charter schools and they're trying to push this measure where they want white women to have more children. And you're right. They really want young white male children, Eric. So, yeah, just some food for thought. There you go.
01:17:32
Speaker 1: All right, Jeff. Well, you have a great weekend.
01:17:35
Speaker 2: You do the same thing.
01:17:36
Speaker 1: All right.
01:17:37
Speaker 8: Okay.
01:17:38
Speaker 1: We'll talk. Take care. Bye-bye. Let's go ahead, Eric, and take a quick break. And, boy, my goodness, I can't believe it.
01:17:46
Speaker 4: It's already time to almost 2.30.
01:17:48
Speaker 1: Almost 2.30, yeah.
01:17:50
Speaker 4: Wow.
01:17:51
Speaker 1: But like you heard Adrian, let's get these breaks in here.
01:17:54
Speaker 4: Oh, get the breaks in here. Let those spots run.
01:17:57
Speaker 1: Let those spots roll.
01:17:58
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed.
01:17:59
Speaker 6: All right.
01:18:00
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
01:18:05
Speaker 9: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM 1310, 95.1 FM.
01:18:15
Speaker 1: And we are back with Community Connection. Lines are open. Rest of the show, 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310 for whatever is on your mind. And Eric, as I look out the window, I cannot help but say, What's the weather?
01:18:31
Speaker 2: Oh, well, what.
01:18:31
Speaker 5: You're looking at right now is the sun could peek through a little bit before.
01:18:37
Speaker 4: Sunset, but it's 80 now. It's 80 now. It looks like it's going to rain.
01:18:41
Speaker 1: It does, any minute.
01:18:42
Speaker 4: Let me look at the radar. There's nothing there.
01:18:45
Speaker 1: Nothing on the radar, just clouds. So it could be one of those situations where storms come in. fire up at any point in time.
01:18:51
Speaker 4: They could, but it doesn't say so here in the forecast.
01:18:54
Speaker 5: At this point, mostly cloudy, about 80 before we get done with the day.
01:18:57
Speaker 4: And then tonight, 66. Tomorrow, 88.
01:19:01
Speaker 3: Okay.
01:19:01
Speaker 5: A chance of some thunder. And then on Sunday, 86 chance of showers.
01:19:08
Speaker 4: So there's no rain.
01:19:09
Speaker 5: But it looks like it could rain any moment downtown here. But there's nothing so far.
01:19:14
Speaker 1: Okay.
01:19:15
Speaker 3: So far, so good.
01:19:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, big plans for the weekend.
01:19:17
Speaker 4: Not that I can think of. Not at the moment.
01:19:19
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:19:19
Speaker 4: Just kind of. I think we're going to wing it.
01:19:22
Speaker 1: Aren't those nice? Aren't those the best?
01:19:24
Speaker 4: Yes, they are.
01:19:25
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Positively. Nothing planned.
01:19:28
Speaker 4: Nothing planned. You just go with it.
01:19:30
Speaker 2: You just.
01:19:30
Speaker 4: Whatever it might be.
01:19:31
Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
01:19:32
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep.
01:19:33
Speaker 4: Could be sleeping input. Something I never get.
01:19:38
Speaker 1: To do much. Boy, I cannot remember. I remember when I was in college, I used to be able to sleep till noon or one o'clock. Or as a teenager, sleep until, hey, I can't even envision that.
01:19:53
Speaker 4: I can't. Even if I try, I cannot. I cannot sleep that late.
01:19:58
Speaker 1: So you were always an early riser? I could always sleep. You were always an early riser?
01:20:01
Speaker 4: For the most part, yes.
01:20:03
Speaker 5: But even if I try, say if I have nothing to do, I'm going to just turn the alarm off and just sleep. Usually I'm awake by 9 or 10.
01:20:12
Speaker 4: At the latest.
01:20:13
Speaker 1: That's called sleeping in?
01:20:14
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:20:15
Speaker 4: Okay. That's sleeping in at the latest, at the latest.
01:20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:20:18
Speaker 5: Now, normally I'm up at 7, 7.15 in the morning, most mornings.
01:20:23
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:20:24
Speaker 1: I've not... Since the kids, I mean, they're grown now, adults. But that's when my sleeping habits completely just changed. And I, you know, it's never gone back.
01:20:35
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
01:20:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't sleep past.
01:20:38
Speaker 4: So you're up at 6?
01:20:39
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
01:20:40
Speaker 2: You're up early.
01:20:41
Speaker 1: Now, it doesn't mean I'm out and, you know, up, out.
01:20:44
Speaker 4: But you're up.
01:20:45
Speaker 7: But I'm up.
01:20:45
Speaker 4: But you're just up at that time. 6 a.m.? Really, really a.
01:20:47
Speaker 1: Little bit earlier than that. But so sleeping in might be 8 or 9.
01:20:52
Speaker 5: When I've been asked to fill in on one of our stations in the morning, I'm normally up then about 4.30, 4, 4.30 for.
01:21:00
Speaker 4: That week I'm filling in.
01:21:03
Speaker 10: Man.
01:21:03
Speaker 5: That first day is like the most difficult. It's like, oh, man, I got to get up now. Then the next, it gets easier and easier.
01:21:10
Speaker 4: Then by Friday, it's like, I'm good. I got it. Then I'm back to that, you know.
01:21:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:21:14
Speaker 1: You work in this business long enough, you've worked just about every shift there is.
01:21:18
Speaker 3: That's true.
01:21:18
Speaker 1: And I remember, yeah, when I lived in Tennessee, I would have to be at work. I'd get up at 2.
01:21:25
Speaker 4: Two in the morning.
01:21:25
Speaker 1: And I'd have to be there between three and, between 3.30, four o'clock I'd be late. Four o'clock I'd be late, yeah. Wow.
01:21:34
Speaker 4: That's early.
01:21:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's early.
01:21:36
Speaker 7: Two o'clock in the morning.
01:21:39
Speaker 1: I'd get up at two and take my little drive and get in there by, you know, between 3.30 and four. I wouldn't get there any later.
01:21:46
Speaker 5: Early in my career, I'd be getting off the air at two in the morning. Sometimes starting at two in the morning, just depending on where I was.
01:21:55
Speaker 1: Now, when I worked three to mid, you know, two to, what do they call it? Second shift or night side. They call it night side. When I worked night side, sometimes I wouldn't get home until two or three.
01:22:05
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:22:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:22:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. Flips up, down, and all around.
01:22:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've worked every shift.
01:22:12
Speaker 1: You worked every shift.
01:22:13
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
01:22:14
Speaker 1: You know those shifts. So I wanted to make sure, this is a promise that I certainly plan to keep, the deadlines for the, for election. I was in a group chat this morning and a friend of mine that lives in Virginia today, I believe is their first day of early voting.
01:22:35
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
01:22:35
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:22:36
Speaker 1: Their first day of early voting in Virginia, I think starts today. If I, if I read the text correctly, because you know, when you're in those group chats or group texts, let me see. Pretty sure. But anyway, early voting is starting now already in some places. And voter registration, voter registration checkup, all of those things are available right now that you can do if you go to indianavoters.com, indianavoters.com. You can register, get someone else registered, check on your registration, make sure you haven't been booted off the registration rolls. From what I hear, I was talking to another friend of mine, and they brought up something I hadn't even considered. Uh, but they were saying that they were noticing a little bit of a pattern that people who were 85 and older.
01:23:28
Speaker 10: Hmm.
01:23:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. They've just been, their registration hasn't been renewed.
01:23:33
Speaker 10: Really?
01:23:34
Speaker 1: That's what she said. And I'm like, that's interesting.
01:23:37
Speaker 4: That would be something to investigate.
01:23:38
Speaker 1: That's something to investigate. I'm going to look that up too, because all of a sudden you just, just disappear. So, um, but anyway, uh, indianavoters.com, indianavoters.com is the website for you to check on all of your voter registration information. You want to see, first of all, your name. And then beside that, you want to see active. If you don't see your name, just register. If you see your name and see inactive, go in and fix whatever's there. If you register, I mean, if you go into the voter registration website, Indiana voters dot com. If you go into that Web site and see your name, all your correct information and the word active, you're good. You're good. But what you're looking for is your name, correct address and everything else that they have. As far as voter registration information and the word active, you're looking for active. So that is the that is the key you have until Monday, October 5th, Monday, October 5th. That's the last day to register to vote. in the November election. Monday, October 5th, is the last day. Because Tuesday, October 6th, is the first day of early voting here in Indiana. So as you can see, if today is the first day of early voting in places like the state of Virginia, we're kind of late. We have a little bit more condensed window, which makes it all the more urgent. So yeah, be sure and get that taken care of. IndianaVoters.com, IndianaVoters.com. We have some calls. We said, yeah, it is open line. So let's go to the phones for a bit here. But I wanted to get that in about voter registration and the voter website and taking care of everything that you need to take care of prior to Election Day on Tuesday, November 3rd. Tuesday, November 3rd is Election Day.
01:25:36
Speaker 4: 317-480-1310.
01:25:36
Speaker 3: 317-480-1310.
01:25:36
Speaker 1: Brenda, go ahead. Do you have a question? Yes, hi, Ms.
01:25:45
Speaker 10: Tina.
01:25:45
Speaker 1: Hi.
01:25:47
Speaker 10: I was calling because my grandkids go to a charter school here in Indianapolis, and I really like the charter school because they give out, like, scholarships. But the only thing about the.
01:26:03
Speaker 1: School is, like— Excuse me.
01:26:06
Speaker 10: I'm sorry.
01:26:06
Speaker 1: I want to pin that. A scholarship. Charter schools are no cost. What are the scholarships for?
01:26:13
Speaker 10: Like in sports or, you know, things of that nature.
01:26:17
Speaker 1: Oh, things that cost. Okay, but not the schooling itself. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay, go ahead.
01:26:22
Speaker 10: No, it's okay. But the only thing about this charter school my grandkids go to is like... They don't have like a gymnasium. They all have a football field. And as parents and grandparents, we have to run all over the city, you know, to go to all the events. And then you get there, of course, you got to pay to get in. So I was just wondering, what could that school do to generate, you know, some funds, maybe find some land close to that school to get that gymnasium or football field? Because it is so needed.
01:26:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:26:55
Speaker 1: And that would have to be, I'm thinking, I don't know, that would have to be up to the school to find the funds to do what they need to do. Charters are a choice. And so, you know, when you make that choice, understand what the positives are, but also what the limitations are. And there are a number of charter schools that don't have those things, but that's not why they're there. They're there for certain educational lanes, if you will. They're very intentional. Like some charters are... You know, my my daughter has taught at a couple of charters and some of them are like there was one that was girls in STEM Academy. You know, they they a playground. They didn't have a really good. I mean, they had a play area, but they you know, they have to raise funds to get those things. But the reason the parents wanted the kids there is to have their young ladies learn, you know, in this STEM class. discipline, so to speak. So, you know, when you enroll your kids, just know what they do and do not offer. And then running around and going from here to there and everywhere, that is just part of it. But if the school can do that and raise the funds, it is a charter. And so they're allowed to do that. Any school can do that. So that, that would have to be up to the school to, yeah, to take care of that.
01:28:15
Speaker 10: And grandparents, cause I got, uh, my grandkids are in knowledge for it.
01:28:19
Speaker 1: Oh yes.
01:28:20
Speaker 10: You know, I don't support them, but it's a good thing, but I'm going to have to raise that up to them. So we're going to have to do some fund raises here.
01:28:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And they're, yeah, they're more than welcome to raise those funds. And, uh, yeah, I, as a, as a grandparent and an aunt as well, that has a lot of nieces and nephews, I mean, I'm here, there, and everywhere. And some of it is at the schools that they have. It's just that they're different places. But, yeah, we're a little spoiled because schools traditionally have taken care of those things.
01:28:51
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, ma'am.
01:28:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, certain ones do. All righty. Well, thank you. And good luck. And be careful because gas. Yeah, thank you. And Eric, I meant to bring this up to you this morning. I pulled up to a gas pump. Premium. Uh-oh.
01:29:08
Speaker 9: $ 4.
01:29:08
Speaker 1: 99 a gallon.
01:29:09
Speaker 4: Wait a minute. When did that happen?
01:29:10
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it had happened because it was today. For premium, mid-range, which is what I, you know, I can use mid-range. You can't use that. I can't use regular. Regular, it was $ 3.
01:29:22
Speaker 2: 99.
01:29:23
Speaker 1: That's high enough. Mid-range was $ 4. 49, and premium was $ 4. 99. So I was talking to somebody on the phone this morning, and I was like, oh, my goodness. And they said it's over $ 6 a gallon for regular in California already. And those that offer, I guess I've been listening and they always say gas, diesel, gas, diesel. I don't I mean, I guess.
01:29:48
Speaker 4: They're comparing the two.
01:29:50
Speaker 1: No, they're saying gas prices and then they go to diesel prices.
01:29:53
Speaker 4: OK.
01:29:53
Speaker 1: So and diesel is always higher.
01:29:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, it always is.
01:29:56
Speaker 1: But when I looked at in Speedway gas stations in Indianapolis and, you know, they're supposed to be the setter. And I looked at Speedway, and theirs was $ 3. 99 for unleaded, and then diesel, it was black. They didn't even have the price. Oh, they didn't have the price. They didn't even have the price.
01:30:11
Speaker 4: No price on diesel.
01:30:12
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
01:30:13
Speaker 1: And not all gas stations offer diesel, I don't think.
01:30:16
Speaker 4: Well, that's true. Not all do. There are some that don't.
01:30:17
Speaker 5: But I had a friend who wanted to have a— he bought a truck, and he was trying to buy diesel, but he couldn't get one.
01:30:24
Speaker 4: I thought, maybe you're glad about that now.
01:30:26
Speaker 1: I just wonder why there's a blackout on the price of diesel.
01:30:30
Speaker 5: Maybe it's just out of hand. It's just like maybe it's $ 6 a gallon here.
01:30:33
Speaker 1: But might have blown all the lights out on the board.
01:30:36
Speaker 2: I don't know.
01:30:37
Speaker 1: But I found that interesting. And again, if you listen to some of the national folks, they always talk about gas prices or so-and-so and the price of diesel. And I've often wondered why I thought diesel was gas, isn't it?
01:30:51
Speaker 10: Well, it is.
01:30:52
Speaker 1: It's a different form of it.
01:30:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, so with diesel, different type of engine. From a gas engine, that kind of thing.
01:30:59
Speaker 1: Well, it certainly is far more expensive than gasoline.
01:31:03
Speaker 4: It is.
01:31:04
Speaker 10: Far more expensive.
01:31:04
Speaker 4: But we still have the gas tax holiday going on.
01:31:08
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. But how much is that offsetting?
01:31:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's, what, 60 cents initially.
01:31:13
Speaker 6: Oh, my goodness.
01:31:14
Speaker 1: Now I'm just saying.
01:31:14
Speaker 4: But now with the prices going up, yeah. Yeah, it's not offsetting.
01:31:18
Speaker 1: It's mitigating a little bit, but not much. And I just wonder how much longer folks are going to be able to tolerate that because The other thing, when I was hearing this warning about gas, then it said something else. It said, but this is only the beginning. It's only going to get worse because there is no end in sight for the war. And if there's no apparent end in sight, even if it ended tomorrow, it would take months for these prices to start to break down. So the only place where prices can go is up.
01:31:51
Speaker 5: Now, can you explain to me, because I'm not smart enough to know, The prices go up so quickly, but it takes years to come down.
01:32:01
Speaker 1: It's like everything else.
01:32:02
Speaker 4: Why is that? I mean, it's like.
01:32:03
Speaker 5: Overnight they'll go up 10 cents, I don't know, 15 cents.
01:32:07
Speaker 1: Even before something has happened. Right. They'll go up in anticipation of something happening.
01:32:11
Speaker 4: Anticipation, right.
01:32:12
Speaker 1: But they can't break down it. I don't know.
01:32:15
Speaker 4: They can't bring it down as quickly as it goes up.
01:32:16
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:32:17
Speaker 4: And I think I read somewhere that truckers were planning to strike.
01:32:22
Speaker 8: Good luck.
01:32:23
Speaker 1: They use that diesel, don't they?
01:32:25
Speaker 4: Well, they have to have diesel.
01:32:26
Speaker 1: They all have diesel. They can't operate. They can't function.
01:32:29
Speaker 5: No, and the price is just out of reach for some. Well, I'll say just really high.
01:32:34
Speaker 1: It's coming to the grocery stores. It's coming to the grocery stores.
01:32:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're planning to, many I saw somewhere they were planning to strike for various reasons, which could create problems, as you mentioned, the grocery stores.
01:32:45
Speaker 1: They're going to put pressure on their lawmakers.
01:32:47
Speaker 4: Oh, they certainly will.
01:32:48
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, indeed, indeed. That's the key. 317-480-1310, 317-480-1310. He must have heard us, Mr. Russell.
01:32:57
Speaker 4: He must have heard us.
01:32:58
Speaker 1: Hey, Mr. Russell, how are you?
01:33:00
Speaker 6: Good afternoon. You know, I appreciate the fact that you communicated with Indigo, so we'll see what happens. But I wanted to call about the post office. Is anybody having problems with their mail being delivered? Young lady told me she sent me something a month ago and never received it. I just wondered, was anybody else having trouble with the post office, especially with the election coming up? And I wondered, have you ever had anybody from the post office on the show in an executive position to find out with all this craziness that the president is trying to do with with the ballots and mail-in ballots, even though he votes by mail. He didn't want anybody else to vote by mail. Just wondered, is it possible to get anybody from the post office to explain this recent decision that the Supreme Court refused Trump's executive order to mess with the post office in terms of whose ballots would be qualified and that kind of thing?
01:34:20
Speaker 1: You know, I can try, Mr.
01:34:22
Speaker 9: Russell.
01:34:23
Speaker 1: You know, I can certainly try. But I can tell you efforts to contact and speak with someone from the United States Postal Service in the past have not been very productive because there's a chain of command that has to be, you know, and it's not to say, I mean, that sounds like it's not an excuse. I'm just saying, you know, you get into a certain level of difficulty. And then typically what they end up doing, if you want something from them, is they will write a statement as opposed to coming on the air and talking about it. It happens a lot. But I'll try. I'll make another run at it. I don't have a problem with it. I'm just saying that that's been my experience with the U.S. Postal Service in the past. They don't. I mean, how many have you seen on TV? Think about it. How many? how many postal service represent, you know, people from that age, you know, from the United States postal service, have you seen on the, you know, NBC, ABC morning, you know, morning, Joe MS. Now, how many from the act from the post office have you seen?
01:35:28
Speaker 6: Well, back in the day, you used to see them, but lately.
01:35:31
Speaker 1: Maybe the postmaster general, you know, or that, you know, up at that level. But what I, what I've, my experience in the past has always been, they'll give me a statement. Uh, they may, but I, you know, it's, it's worth a try. It's a good question. It's a good question and a good point.
01:35:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:35:47
Speaker 6: Because, you know, uh, that's one of the key features of how society operates, you know, communication. And, uh, we can't rely upon the electronic industry so much as we are doing because, uh, I think it was President Jimmy Carter said if he ever wanted to send a message that would be private, he would send it by letter rather than electronically. And that makes sense because with all the hackers, you have worldwide hackers, worldwide hackers from different countries and whatnot. So, you know, this is a vital, this is a vital, in terms of the community. And I understand.
01:36:41
Speaker 1: I wonder who has been speaking on behalf... Go ahead. Who has been speaking on behalf of the Postal Service?
01:36:48
Speaker 4: That's a very good question.
01:36:49
Speaker 1: It is a very good question.
01:36:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, federal agencies in general because the current administration has done so much damage. You know, maybe we should try to help some of these people put them on the hot seat and find out what they're doing, you know, because it's a lot of confusion that can result. Particularly, say you're in the military, for instance, you know, and say you can't vote by mail. That's crazy. I think we need to have a definitive answer. And maybe Junior Bond might cover this in our Monday sessions coming up because, you know, it's in the good book. It says when the foundations fall, what can the righteous do? So we need to worry about these foundations, in my opinion.
01:37:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:37:51
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:37:52
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:37:53
Speaker 1: And the, thank you. I appreciate it. And the, the independence that they do or do not have to, to, to come and speak with the media, because I think a lot of that independence has been compromised.
01:38:04
Speaker 4: I think so too.
01:38:05
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:38:05
Speaker 4: It's like, it's a be, be transparent.
01:38:07
Speaker 5: That's when you're not, you know, when you're not, that's when we are suspicious. It's like, just be transparent, tell the truth and, you know, just be honest about it.
01:38:16
Speaker 4: Or if, Well, I guess if you're lying.
01:38:18
Speaker 1: Subjective transparency.
01:38:20
Speaker 4: That is true.
01:38:21
Speaker 1: Depends on your definition of what transparency is.
01:38:24
Speaker 5: Someone called Tina and suggested that maybe you could screenshot your voter registration. card to show that you're registered. Would that work to prove that you are registered?
01:38:37
Speaker 1: You mean screenshot it to your phone?
01:38:38
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:38:40
Speaker 1: Yes, you could.
01:38:41
Speaker 4: Here it is. It's like.
01:38:44
Speaker 1: You should not be asked about your voter registration.
01:38:47
Speaker 4: You shouldn't.
01:38:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you're stopped and you have a screenshot. Yeah, you can take it. It's not going to hurt anything.
01:38:54
Speaker 4: I was looking at something here, too.
01:38:55
Speaker 5: It's a site I found called Voting Rights Lab. And it says removal for not voting. Non-voting does not trigger removal in 28 states in D.C. And Indiana is one of those states, it says on here. Another state removal process triggered after five non-voting years. That happens only in Georgia.
01:39:18
Speaker 1: So the removal process for Indiana again is what?
01:39:21
Speaker 5: It says here removal for not voting. Non-voting does not trigger removal.
01:39:26
Speaker 1: No, it should not.
01:39:26
Speaker 4: For 28 states.
01:39:27
Speaker 7: At D.C.
01:39:29
Speaker 4: And Indiana is a part of that.
01:39:31
Speaker 1: Good.
01:39:31
Speaker 4: Now.
01:39:33
Speaker 5: There are some other states, removal process triggered after four non-voting years. That's 12 states, part of that. Illinois, I won't mention them all. Florida, Wisconsin, and some others. They will remove you after 12 years. You'll be removed.
01:39:48
Speaker 4: Ohio and West Virginia, removal process is triggered after two non-voting years. So three states. Massachusetts is a part.
01:39:59
Speaker 7: Of that too.
01:40:00
Speaker 1: Voter suppression?
01:40:02
Speaker 4: Doesn't it sound like that? Yeah, that's what that is. So I don't know.
01:40:09
Speaker 1: Well, interesting.
01:40:13
Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
01:40:14
Speaker 1: But you know what? Yeah, if you're registered and you're valid and you see it and it says active, it cannot hurt to do that.
01:40:23
Speaker 8: Right.
01:40:24
Speaker 1: In case you're ever challenged. But Julia has a process and a procedure as well. for if you're ever challenged. And she'll share that when she starts in a couple of weeks. Actually, just a couple quick weeks. She'll be starting. She starts on the day voter registration ends in October. She'll start. And her organization is wonderful, wonderful when it comes to getting around and learning how to teaching people how to handle situations like this when they come up. I want to remind everyone that the Universal Circus is finally here and will be here in the city until Sunday, next Sunday, September the 27th. Sunday, September the 27th, the Universal Circus is going to be here in town. So Lafayette Square Mall, tickets are on sale. You can go to praiseindy.com or you can buy your tickets at the door. Uh, 3919 Lafayette road, 3919 Lafayette road is the address. Uh, they have shows nightly and, uh, thrice on Saturdays and Sundays. So, um, every night, uh, they have a show every evening around seven. I don't have it right here in front of me. I think it's seven.
01:41:45
Speaker 4: I think it is seven. I think it's seven.
01:41:47
Speaker 1: And then, uh, on, um, Sundays, uh, noon, three 30 and seven again, three.
01:41:54
Speaker 4: Shows, uh, Yeah, Saturday and Sundays.
01:41:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, three shows.
01:41:58
Speaker 4: Three shows each day.
01:41:59
Speaker 1: Noon, 3.30 and 7. I think that's right.
01:42:01
Speaker 4: Okay, that's right. I don't have it right.
01:42:03
Speaker 1: Anyway, three shows. Yes, three shows.
01:42:06
Speaker 4: $ 25.
01:42:07
Speaker 7: $ 25.
01:42:07
Speaker 4: Not much at all. $ 25, not at all.
01:42:09
Speaker 1: Indeed. Last caller, Samuel L. Samuel L. Jackson, how are you?
01:42:15
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing great, Tina.
01:42:17
Speaker 6: Yes.
01:42:18
Speaker 3: Hey, look here, the other day I was talking about The circle, you don't get the people to go. So you got a lot of people listening to your show, I'm telling you. I made that announcement.
01:42:30
Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
01:42:31
Speaker 10: Oh.
01:42:32
Speaker 8: Okay.
01:42:33
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:42:34
Speaker 3: My phone was ringing off the hook. Like, wait a minute.
01:42:38
Speaker 10: Oh.
01:42:40
Speaker 1: So, you're not going to have any problem giving away these tickets?
01:42:45
Speaker 3: No, I did not. So, what I done was, the first person that called, I went on and set them up, okay? I got them the, kind of like the best seat in the house, you know, because they were senior citizens.
01:42:57
Speaker 4: Oh, that's nice.
01:42:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a... I think at the latest, I can't remember her name, but I gave her a free VPN, too, okay?
01:43:05
Speaker 1: Oh, that's nice.
01:43:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, she remembers my phone number. She called me.
01:43:11
Speaker 1: Sam the man.
01:43:13
Speaker 3: She told me that her and her husband are two grandkids. I think it's tomorrow evening. No, Sunday.
01:43:18
Speaker 2: Sunday.
01:43:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gave him kind of like the best seat in the house. I took like $ 25, $ 50, $ 75. Oh, okay.
01:43:26
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So it's $ 25 on up.
01:43:28
Speaker 4: Okay.
01:43:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, $ 25 more up. Absolutely. So I got him kind of like in the middle of the way there. And so she was proud of me. She said, thank God I did a call. She said, I'll be listening to her show all the time.
01:43:40
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:43:40
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:43:43
Speaker 1: Well, tell her thank you. Yeah, indeed. Thank you. Thank her very much. And thank you for doing that.
01:43:48
Speaker 3: Y'all have a great weekend.
01:43:49
Speaker 8: Thank you, Sam.
01:43:50
Speaker 1: Thank you for always helping the community. Thank you. We appreciate you.
01:43:54
Speaker 3: It's just a blessing. That's all it is.
01:43:55
Speaker 4: A blessing to help.
01:43:56
Speaker 10: Yes, it is.
01:43:56
Speaker 1: Blessing to be a blessing, isn't it?
01:43:58
Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
01:43:59
Speaker 6: It is.
01:43:59
Speaker 9: Yes, it is. All right.
01:44:00
Speaker 3: Y'all have a great weekend.
01:44:01
Speaker 10: You too.
01:44:02
Speaker 1: You too. So he didn't have to call back and try to figure out how to get rid of the tickets.
01:44:07
Speaker 4: That's true. He said he had some good news, and that was the good news.
01:44:10
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that is all the time we have for right now. As always, thank you so much for listening. We really do appreciate it. Our website is praiseindy.com. Willie Moore Jr. on the radio is next. Right after this, up next, Willie Moore Jr., Please continue to be safe, be well, and stay informed. For everyone here, Eric and myself, this is Community Connection. Have a good weekend, everybody.
