UFO Secrets & Disclosure with Cheryl Costa | Codex Origins

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I'm Rai, your Kodega, here to lead you through the
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shadows of the unknown. My journeys have carried me across
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hidden corners of the world to places steeped in wonder, whispers,
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and unanswered questions. Walk with me as we uncover ancient civilizations,
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unravel unexplained phenomena, and chase the legends that refuse to die.
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Welcome to Kodega's Codex of Curiosities. All right, everyone. This
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is Codex Origins from Codex of Curiosities. I'm going to
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go back to where this all started, re-releasing the catalog
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from the very first episode in order. Now, these are
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years old, and the audio might sound a little different,
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and I might not see a few things the same
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way that I see things now. and I'm leaving each
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one as it is. Now, if you've been here since
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the beginning, well, welcome back. You might have recognized these episodes,
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and if you just found the show, this is a
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good place to start. Cryptids, conspiracies, curiosities, let's go. Now,
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most people bring stories to this topic. My next guest
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brought a spreadsheet. Combat veteran Lockheed Martin, IT pro, and
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a statistician, She spent seven years proving UFOs aren't just
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a feeling or not just a thing you see in
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the sky. There's a pattern. And what she found in
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20 years of data will rearrange everything you thought you
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knew about where and when these things show up. So
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stay tuned for that guest. Now, if you guys want
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And that depends on your membership tier. Of course, the
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link is going to be in the bio. Enough of that.
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Let's get to this interview. I want to welcome Sheryl
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Costa to the show. Sheryl, welcome to Codega's Codex of Curiosities.
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Not bad, Ray. How's it going? I'm doing great. I'm
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doing great. I'm so glad to have you on here.
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I know we've been talking for quite a while, trying
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to get something organized. A little bit of a hiccup
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there in the recent past, but we got things sorted,
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and I'm so glad to have you on.
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I'm delighted to be here finally.
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Awesome, awesome. So why don't you tell our listeners and
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our viewers a little bit about yourself and where they
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can find you. And if you've got anything that you
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want to promote, by all means, please let them know
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where they can find that as well.
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Where they can find me. The hackers took apart my
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website a long time ago. I gave up the domain.
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It was inhabited for a short period of time. And
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then by somebody, by another country. And now it is
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a Chinese porn site. You don't want to go there.
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It's just loaded with computer viruses and frozions and everything.
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You don't want to go there.
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No, no.
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But, you know, I find it quite interesting is that
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if I wasn't putting out such interesting information, why would people...
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try and take over my site I had to rebuild
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my site about five times yeah see when you start
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putting out information that keeps gets people rattled see do
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you hear me being quoted in newspapers for the most
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part no no no no I have talked to 150
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major newspapers in this country I'm a journalist you know
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and they won't publish my numbers they said my god
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it will scare everybody isn't that.
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The thing that they always say, Oh, we can't, we
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can't release this to the public. It'll cause, it'll cause
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mass panic, you know, but. Yeah.
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I hear that a lot, you know, so I'm going
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little old me, I'm going to cause mass panic, you know?
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And now if I was really the evil person, don't
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be all of you. Here comes the numbers. You know? Yeah.
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Fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, I want to get into
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the numbers.
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The only people rolling over in your graves are my
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high school math teachers because I was the kid that
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was 65 grade point through most of high school and
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I flunked geometry. And when my first book of statistics
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came out, I'll pull it out here for you.
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This is a white book. It's called UFO Settings Desk
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Reference 2001 to 2015. Available on Amazon.
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And when it first came out, New York Times ran
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a nice big story for us on the 24th, 25th
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of April, 2017. And the goofy thing is, everybody looks
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at 2017 and they think of it as, well, yeah,
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we had the AATIP revolution. That was disclosure. Well, actually,
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that year, there were three disclosures, okay? There was the
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Obama-era disclosure. that occurred, bear with me here, in the February,
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they released a whole bunch of declassified CIA documents.
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Okay. Now, a lot of people went, oh, yawn. Okay.
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But the New York Times, they downloaded all of them.
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Ralph Blumenthal and his buddies, they downloaded all of them,
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as did I. Now, I was writing a column, New
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York Skies, for the Syracuse New Times at the time.
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And I went over every single PDF. And one of
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the cute ones I looked at was there was this
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paper by two OSI PhDs. The OSI was the CIA
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Scientific Division.
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Oh, excellent. I did not know that. Yeah.
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And this is like 1949, 1950. And they are arguing.
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Okay.
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They plotted about 130 sightings. by month okay and it
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peaked during the june july august time frame and in
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the margins they are saying is this summer madness is
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there some kind of meteor things going on is there
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some kind of asteroid things going on is it summer
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madness what is it okay but they only had about
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139 data points okay A couple of years when Linda
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and I came out with our information in 2017, we
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kind of giggled about it because we had 5,600 data
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points and it goes up like this.
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Okay. It's following the same trajectory or the same pattern.
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Yes.
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But we thought it was like that everywhere.
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And it wasn't.
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Northern states, it's the summer months when they peak. If
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you move down to the middle level states like Virginia, Maryland,
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and go across the country, that peak comes down and
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the baseline comes, and I'm trying to get my shoulders right,
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baseline comes up.
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Okay. So it's like it's starting to flatten out a
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little bit almost. Yes.
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Very flat, actually. And when you get down to the
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deep south states, it's statistically flat, except there's a dip
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in the summertime. And we correlated that to.
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Too darn hot to be outside. In the northern states,
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those are the nice warm months and that's when you
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can go outside and see these things. And February is
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the worst month anywhere in the United States for sightings.
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It's not necessarily that there's a lack of UFOs, it's
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just the lack of the people going out to be
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able to see them, like who want to be outside.
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Yes.
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So what came out of our book? Okay, that was
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the first book. And then Five years later, during 2020,
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when we were all dressed up with no place to go.
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Ain't that the truth.
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I put out 20. I put out three books.
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And one of them is this thing. You were busy.
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There's nothing better to do.
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And people were complaining to me, you know, oh, Cheryl, this, this, this,
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we're all closed up.
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We can't do anything.
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I said, I spent seven years in a Buddhist monastery.
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Welcome to monastic life, you know. You're like, I got this.
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This is nothing. Oh, yeah, this is cool stuff. Wow,
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the whole world's doing what I did, you know.
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So it was nuts. But, okay, this is the second
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book that came out. We put it out in 2021.
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Linda and I only just set out to measure everything.
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a 20 year sample in the beginning of the 21st century.
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Okay.
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That was our target and analyze the hell out of it.
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Okay.
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So this book, the pink book, it's two and a
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half pounds, very thick. It's got all of our research studies.
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It's got charts, graphs, tables, every state right down to
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the county level, charts and graphs, all kinds of stuff.
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Your high school math teacher would go bananas looking at this.
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And when the first.
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White book came out after the New York Times article,
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I got a couple of phone calls from people I
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hadn't heard from in almost 40 years from my high
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school class.
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Costa, you were flunking math all through high school when
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you published a book of statistics. The irony, the irony.
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It's called, it's called maturation. Remember they taught us that topic,
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everything kind of matures into things when it's time. In
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my case, mathematics didn't make any sense to me until
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I was in my mid to late 20s. And then
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one day I was trying to balance my checkbook with
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a four banger calculator. And all of a sudden I
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made a mistake and I started seeing patterns and the numbers.
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I just sat back in a bean bed chair for
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the next three hours and played with progressions of numbers
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and things, right? Went out to a used bookstore, bought
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a couple of high school algebra books, and literally retaught
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myself algebra and trig.
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Fantastic. That is fantastic. That doesn't happen often, yes. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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So this is a book here. If you go on
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Amazon and look for Go Costa UFO in the book
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search on Amazon, you will find all the books we've done. Now,
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these are our two big ones, and this pink one
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goes everywhere. 20 years, 2001 to 2020. And it goes
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down to every all 50 states and analysis of all
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50 states and ranks them and goes down to the
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county level in every single state.
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OK, yeah. Can I ask a question? Did you find
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any anomalies by, you know, with all that? I know
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they are anomalies to begin with. But was there any
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spikes at certain years, certain times that were... Oh, baby. Oh, baby.
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I'll give you an example. People are always talking about,
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where's the hotspots, Cheryl? Damn straight. They always say that.
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Spill the tea.
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They're not where you think they are. Especially all these
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books that say, oh, wow, you know, Indian Valley up there.
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They're the hotspot. I just lost my headset. Just bear
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with me a moment here. I'm exuberant for some reason.
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I think it's too much sugar I ate about two
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hours ago.
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Me too. Actually, I had a little too much sugar
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that I shouldn't have had.
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I had a very rich supper and I was watching
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old episodes of Star Trek Discovery.
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I was geeking out on it. Okay, let me tell
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you what we discovered.
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Because one of the things is, in 2008, there was
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some really strange spike in... things going on. It was
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that stuff down in Texas. We all hear about... I'm
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going to draw a blank on the place. I can't
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remember the name of the place off the top of
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my head. But Texas had a really... heavy spiking area
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in fact uh that tv series they just did their
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alien encounters done by the spielberg people on netflix um
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they investigated one thing but if you step back and
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look at the numbers like we have it didn't happen
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just in that one town it happened in about 12
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other communities in texas they just never got the press
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okay i'll give you another one give me an example
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um This is, again, 2008.
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Okay? There's a thing. A lot of people didn't know.
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About this until a couple of years ago. I was
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talking about it on a couple of podcasts.
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Okay. April 16th, 2008. Indiana. Okay?
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Indiana is a state that averages maybe three a week.
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Okay? They're not really high on the hip parade. okay,
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one day, they, maybe, yeah, three a week, we'll say, okay,
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daily average in the United States is about 23, and
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of course, there are spikes, okay, now, if you go
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and look at a spike, most of the time, what
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you'll see is the same states that you looked at
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the day before yesterday, before the spike, are there, the
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same 12 or 15 states, okay, And you go in
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and you actually break it out and look at it.
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Each one of those states just had more sightings, okay?
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And then there might be one or two other states
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in there with onesies, twosies type of thing, okay? So, okay,
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23 a day is the average in the United States,
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daily average, very consistent. Okay, on that particular day, there
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were 60 sightings, okay? So I did a breakout and
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I expected to see the usual suspects, okay? Indiana, a
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state that averages maybe three or four in a week,
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had 25 in one day. Okay. And when I broke
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into it, the clusters of these have since been called
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the Kokomo lights.
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Okay. I have not heard of the Kokomo lights. That's interesting. Okay.
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So here's the deal. The places people say, oh, yeah,
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out here in Indian Valley, we see UFOs all the time.
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It's mostly folklore.
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They've had a few sightings, and everybody talks it up,
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and it seems like it's bigger than it is, okay?
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I've had probably upwards of 23, 25 TV producers come
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to me over the years. If you notice, nobody's done
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a documentary with me yet.
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Not yet, right? Not yet. No, no, no, no.
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I'm not holding my breath. Hey, I came from the
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television industry myself. I produced industrial films for IBM for
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six years. Okay, back early in my career. I'm a
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trained television producer. I produced my own series in 1991
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to 1992, 70 episodes, okay?
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So I've been there.
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That's a funny part of my past, okay? And I
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can't tell you where the bodies are buried.
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But, you know, okay, okay. Okay, that's the joke.
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Okay, but the bottom line is the TV producers, they
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want to know, Cheryl, we want you to show us
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where the hot spot is, that place where you can
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almost set your clock by it, like they show up
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like a bus schedule. There's got to be someplace here
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in the United States where the UFOs show up every day.
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If we go there, get on top of the building,
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aim our cameras in all the directions and sit there
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and wait for.
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It, we can do that.
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I tell them, that's not so easy. I can send
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you to the hottest zip code in the country. 85001.
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Write that down, kids. Zip code 85001. Downtown Phoenix, Arizona.
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That is the number one zip code in that 20-year period.
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And they had 1,500 more sightings than the next closest
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zip code.
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That's huge. That's huge.
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Now, it blows the whole idea out of the water.
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They're Maricopa County, which is the number two county in
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the United States for sightings.
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Okay.
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So when you talk about the fact that Arizona had
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all those sightings many years ago and the Arizona lights
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and all that kind of stuff, Yeah, they're kind of
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high in the hip rate. Now, the number one county
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in the United States is Los Angeles County. Now, people
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call me up all the.
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Time, but they got all the city lights and all that.
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You move away from downtown city Los Angeles and get
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10 minutes out into the Burj, you can.
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See the sky.
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You can't see it like you see it out in
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the desert, but you can see the sky, okay? The
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light pollution drops off significantly. If you go up into
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the mountains around L.A., It's even better. There's even songs
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out there that say, if you drive above the city lights.
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Los Angeles County is the number one county in the
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United States. The city, actually, the downtown city, only ranks
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about number 25. But downtown Phoenix is the number one
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zip code in the country. Even there, if you look
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at it on a day-to-day basis, They only average five
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or six a month.
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Hmm. Yeah, that's not much at all.
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If you're going to sit there and burn up the
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executive producer's black card, you know, black credit card, with
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four camera crews on a penthouse on top of some
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hotel waiting for these guys, you're going to be there
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a long time. That's the number one place in the
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United States, next to L.A.
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Okay? Let me tell you the drivers. Now, here's the
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thing we learned.
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There are drivers. Every state, every location has drivers. There
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are also influencers, and some influencers are in every place. Okay,
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but there's a set group of them. Quickly, drivers, population. Okay,
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because a lot of people, a lot of people would
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be bunkers when I first started writing my newspaper column
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for the Syracuse New Times, New York Times.
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Still available online, by the way, if you... Check that out, everyone.
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Check that out.
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For Sheryl Costa, Syracuse New Times, you'll probably find most
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of my 230 articles.
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Okay?
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Okay, population. Now, the debunkers say, Sheryl, it's all driven
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by population. Look at California. They got 42 million people, 38, 39,
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40 million people there, and they got most societies. Yeah,
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but California is a strange animal. It's equivalent to three
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or four states on its own. It crosses nine lines
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of latitude. The climate changes. OK, that's those are there's
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influencers there. So population, temperate weather. OK, they got temperate weather,
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leisure time, hours of darkness. Now, the hours of darkness
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thing is a big is a major driver. OK, I'm
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going to I'm going to I got to pull this
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one out of my head here real quick. 80% of
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the sightings, roughly, 75-80% of the sightings happen after, actually, yeah,
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it's about 70% of the sightings happen after 6 o'clock,
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between 6 o'clock and 11 o'clock at night. With the
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peak of it, of that, starts at about 5 o'clock
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at night and goes up to about 11.30 midnight. And
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the peak of it, 60% of those sightings of the
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evening hours happen between 8.30 and 10.30 at night. Now,
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people ask, you know, wow, what is that about? You know,
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is the galaxy overhead? Not often. It's certainly not in
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the wintertime. Okay, you know, it's a lot of weird things,
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but we'll get into it. Okay, so leisure time, hours
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of darkness, and observer access to broadband.
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Let me give you another number.
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There's 3,550 counties in the United States, give or take.
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Sometimes they're combining counties. Sometimes they liquidate one and absorb
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it into another one, that type of thing. But roughly
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about 3,530 counties. 2001 to 2020, only 105 counties did
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not report UFOs. 3,030 counties reported UFOs in that 20-year period. Now,
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that rattled some people in Larry Burkhart's office, Congressman Burkhart's office.
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I sent them a 17-page technical report about a month ago,
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and there's nothing but silence. Even my contacts in his
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office said, It's been really quiet since that report got here.
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Okay? Okay?
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Yes, I may end up testifying before Congress.
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Okay? We want to see that. We want to see that.
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We want to hear that. I want to see that.
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I want to see that.
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Okay? Because you know why that book is pink? I
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was interested in the color. Yeah. Why pink?
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Okay, what we call the usual suspects. These are our
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lobbyists in D.C., Steve Bassett and a bunch of other
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people that are down there. They called me up in 2019.
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None of us knew COVID was coming. We knew at
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that time Rubio was working in the background, was going
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to put a bill in that would force Congress to
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have congressional hearings.
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Who knew?
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He was going to attach it to a continuing spending
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bill or a military spending package. Who knew it was
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going to be the COVID thing? Okay, but it got passed. Okay,
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that's the deal. Okay, so we got off the phone.
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They said, you girls... Linda, you and Cheryl, you are
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the two people who have done the statistical. Not even
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Blue Book did this. Would you be willing to testify
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for Congress? I said, hey, former two-service military person here,
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combat veteran. Sure, if called out, I'll testify. And Linda said,
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wait a minute. We were both government contractors our entire
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30 years in D.C. You worked your whole career trying
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not to have to testify for Congress.
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Okay?
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So we're going, okay, yeah, all right. If called, we'll serve.
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Okay, fine.
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We got off the call. We're having, we have British
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tea in this household late day.
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Okay.
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So we were having our tea and crumpets. And my sister,
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Let's imagine what it would be. Maybe these congressional hearings
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would be like on C-SPAN or something like that. We've
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been to D.C. We've been to many of these things.
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Watched a whole bunch of guys up there being the
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high panel. Got big thick books in front of them
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and things like this. Reports and things. And he said
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they'll be flipping through things. We want them to know
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this book was published by a couple of women. Okay?
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We made a bright future. You can flag an aircraft
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with this thing.
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Okay?
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Okay. All right. Now I understand. Now I understand.
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Okay.
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The other thing is we dedicated it to Cora Lorenz,
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who was the first person to actually formally start gathering
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data back in the 50s with her group APRO, which
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was a predecessor to MUFA.
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Okay. Okay.
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So that gives you a sense of it. Let me
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finish these up. I gave you the drivers, population, temperate weather,
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leisure time, hours of darkness, and observer access to broadband.
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Those 105 states, mostly rural, mostly farming states, don't have
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rural broadband.
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Okay?
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And that's another reason we need rural broadband, so people
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have ease to report what they see. Plus the industry, mining, Oil, gas,
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agriculture needs rural broadband and they need it in the
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last century.
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OK, OK now. And that makes sense, though, as well,
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because perhaps they're looking for answers and they go online,
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you know, find some answers and then they, you know,
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feel more confident and not feeling isolated and then submit
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their their their. visual, I don't know, their experience.
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Yeah.
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Well, North and South Dakota are rock. They're the, they're
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the anchor clankers, uh, number 49 and number 50.
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Okay.
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So that gives you an idea.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Now the influencers, not every state has these influencers, but
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the ones that do, um, it's a significant issue. Proximity
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to large bodies of water. Now you'll philologists have known
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that for a long time.
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Okay.
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But I'll give you an example. When the white book
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came out, I was on a radio show one night.
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We were on a commercial break. This was terrestrial radio.
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I had the book laying out. And we had put
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a census map in the book with arrows pointing at
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each of those states, what their totals were for that
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2001 to 2015 timeframe. And I never really looked at it.
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I built the thing in a hurry. I just hadn't
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really studied my own stuff. And I got looking at it,
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and I noticed that the states that touched the Great
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Lakes had sightings in the many thousands over the 20 years.
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Moved two states away, and it was in the low hundreds.
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People wrote me, said, wait a minute, California, Florida, Texas.
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But Cheryl, Texas has twice the population of Florida.
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I said, yeah, and.
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Florida... has 1,200 miles of coastline, and Texas has 450, approximately.
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Okay, done.
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So there's a lot of these little things that make sense,
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but not every place. Okay, so proximity to the bodies
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of water. My colleague, Tom Conwell, you should have him
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on sometime. He's a paranormal guy, too. And he started
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sticking pins in this massive map he put on the wall, okay?
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plasterboard wall. All the pins he stuck in it, they
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had to replace the plasterboard. He destroyed the wall.
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But, okay.
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He tracked out the UFOs. They seem to be haunting
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our toxic waste areas. So, do you want a regular
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place to catch up with UFOs?
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Go to a.
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Superfund site and you'll probably see a lot of them.
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Okay.
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The other one is there's a tendency to hang around
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geological faults. The Calderas, the volcanoes, the Meridian Fault, I
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think it's called, bear with me, tongue-tied here, the Meridian
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Fault goes through the central part of the United States, okay?
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They hang around there. And guess what?
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Let's see, summer before last, I was sitting here every
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morning working on something, and every now and then I'd hear,
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they'd get on and there were a lot of earthquakes
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in South Carolina. Now, South Carolina only ranks number 26
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of all the states, but every time they said the county,
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I would look it up. That was one of the
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peak counties in South Carolina. They hang around the geological faults.
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They seem to be, this culture of UFO people, one,
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they seem to be anthropologists, they seem to be scientists,
484
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:24.420
and they seem to be a bit of a nanny
485
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:30.160
culture for us. They seem to be looking out for ourselves. Okay,
486
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:37.000
so water, toxic ecosystem. Oh, before you think, no, I've
487
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.240
got the address for all 55 nuclear power plants in
488
00:28:40.259 --> 00:28:44.180
the country, and no, they're not hanging out there, okay?
489
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.730
Nuclear power plants aren't in this land, okay? I was
490
00:28:48.829 --> 00:28:53.430
trained in nuclear reactor operations in the Navy. Believe me,
491
00:28:54.309 --> 00:28:59.720
it's regulated, okay? Now, what they are interested in Again,
492
00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:02.609
and talking to Luis Sando, he sort of confirmed it
493
00:29:02.670 --> 00:29:06.210
with me, they're interested in our advanced technology, a.k.a.
494
00:29:06.289 --> 00:29:07.089
Nuclear weapons.
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00:29:07.990 --> 00:29:10.230
So if you want to follow them, are they following
496
00:29:10.269 --> 00:29:12.130
around all the military bases in the country?
497
00:29:12.230 --> 00:29:12.430
No.
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00:29:12.589 --> 00:29:14.569
After the Cold War, most of the bases in the
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central part of the United States downgraded to Reserve and
500
00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:22.369
Air National Guard kind of bases. Only the active bases
501
00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:26.269
and only the ones that have nuclear technology in their
502
00:29:26.309 --> 00:29:30.980
stockpiles there, like Navy bases with the fleet, And they
503
00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:34.230
haunt our fleet a lot more than we're hearing about.
504
00:29:34.309 --> 00:29:36.990
And all those videos that came out with Jeremy Corbell
505
00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:39.430
a couple of years ago, that was kind of proving
506
00:29:39.470 --> 00:29:39.980
what that deal was.
507
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:41.960
Was. All right.
508
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:47.829
Now, the last two drivers are influencers. I hope I'm
509
00:29:47.849 --> 00:29:48.609
not boring anybody.
510
00:29:49.470 --> 00:29:51.910
You're not boring me. I love these statistics because this
511
00:29:51.970 --> 00:29:53.609
is the nitty gritty. This is the stuff that we
512
00:29:53.650 --> 00:29:54.109
don't hear.
513
00:29:54.730 --> 00:29:57.869
This is what the numbers and the science will tell you.
514
00:29:58.210 --> 00:29:59.930
Yes, I find it fascinating.
515
00:30:00.369 --> 00:30:04.230
And Linda and I have sat here over tea going, wow,
516
00:30:04.309 --> 00:30:07.119
you really think it's like that? You know, the numbers
517
00:30:07.190 --> 00:30:08.579
don't lie, you know?
518
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:09.380
Okay.
519
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.279
High media reports. And this is something that Project Blue
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00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:16.200
Book identified.
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00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:17.200
Give me an example.
522
00:30:17.259 --> 00:30:19.359
You have a sighting report. It gets in the paper
523
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.700
like on Tuesday. And then Wednesday and Thursday, there seems
524
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.829
to be another flood of reports in the newspapers and
525
00:30:25.890 --> 00:30:26.630
that kind of thing.
526
00:30:26.890 --> 00:30:27.109
Okay.
527
00:30:27.529 --> 00:30:31.420
Now, Back in the Project Blue Book days, they thought
528
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:33.910
this was copycat reporting.
529
00:30:35.269 --> 00:30:35.589
Okay.
530
00:30:36.589 --> 00:30:39.029
And we sort of studied it. We couldn't do it
531
00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:41.930
with the MUFON data we had, but we were able
532
00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:45.869
to do it with National UFO Reporting Center because their
533
00:30:45.890 --> 00:30:49.440
stuff is up, you know, within two weeks of, they upgrade,
534
00:30:49.460 --> 00:30:52.359
they put their stuff up every two weeks. So, okay.
535
00:30:52.819 --> 00:30:55.240
So you go back to one of these peak periods.
536
00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:04.170
I remember I told you, like, in Indiana, that April 16th, 2008,
537
00:31:04.549 --> 00:31:06.690
I looked at, there's about, I found about 100 of
538
00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:10.690
those kinds of places over 20 years, okay? So I
539
00:31:10.730 --> 00:31:13.730
went and looked those events up, and then you would
540
00:31:13.789 --> 00:31:16.859
see the report in the newspapers, in the television stuff,
541
00:31:16.890 --> 00:31:17.759
found this stuff online.
542
00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:18.779
Okay, here it is.
543
00:31:19.420 --> 00:31:19.839
And then.
544
00:31:21.980 --> 00:31:25.380
If you looked at, like New Fork data, you saw
545
00:31:25.539 --> 00:31:28.880
additional sightings, a peak of sightings coming out of that
546
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.890
location over the next couple of days. Was it copycat sightings?
547
00:31:33.490 --> 00:31:34.150
A little bit.
548
00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:36.829
People said, oh yeah, I saw that thing too. But
549
00:31:36.930 --> 00:31:39.490
most of it was people said, oh, it was in
550
00:31:39.529 --> 00:31:42.349
the paper, National UFO Reporting Center. Maybe I should report
551
00:31:42.369 --> 00:31:44.390
that one from 20 years ago or two months ago
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00:31:44.470 --> 00:31:47.539
or four years ago. It was immensely an amount of
553
00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:48.640
retro reporting.
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00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:54.170
Interesting. I was assuming that perhaps it was spurring people
555
00:31:54.210 --> 00:31:57.250
to actually, oh, there was a UFO sighted and then
556
00:31:57.329 --> 00:32:00.410
gives them, you know, a little bit of drive to
557
00:32:00.490 --> 00:32:02.950
maybe start looking, you know, trying to see if they
558
00:32:02.970 --> 00:32:04.650
can see anything. I wonder if that has anything to
559
00:32:04.670 --> 00:32:06.029
do with it. That too, that too.
560
00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:09.089
But the vast majority that I track on what I
561
00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:15.480
call these unusual hot spots, whenever there was a spike
562
00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:19.339
and it made it, and it got some, usually it
563
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:21.880
gets to regional press, it didn't always bubble up to
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00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:22.920
the national wires.
565
00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:23.990
Okay.
566
00:32:24.730 --> 00:32:30.089
And that's where the control is. There's only six companies
567
00:32:30.289 --> 00:32:31.650
own all the media in the country.
568
00:32:31.670 --> 00:32:32.470
Okay.
569
00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:36.319
And there seems to be some policies about not talking
570
00:32:36.339 --> 00:32:37.099
about this stuff.
571
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.400
Okay.
572
00:32:38.019 --> 00:32:40.700
So it may be on the local stations. It may
573
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:42.599
be on your county stations. It may be on the
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00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.339
statewide stations, but it may not get up on the
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00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:46.099
national wires.
576
00:32:46.220 --> 00:32:48.220
Not like it did back in the 40s and 50s. Okay.
577
00:32:49.349 --> 00:32:52.890
Okay. And again, I'm a newspaper person. I kind of
578
00:32:52.930 --> 00:32:56.430
know how that works. Okay, the last thing that is
579
00:32:56.470 --> 00:33:00.130
an influencer is called the generational effect. Okay, and this
580
00:33:00.210 --> 00:33:03.490
is still a theory. We haven't 100% confirmed this, but
581
00:33:03.529 --> 00:33:05.950
we see this. We've seen this in two of the
582
00:33:05.990 --> 00:33:08.569
major sites, and actually about three or four, but two
583
00:33:08.589 --> 00:33:11.690
that we can talk about. Okay, let's take the generational effect.
584
00:33:12.349 --> 00:33:16.500
Back in L.A., Grandpa told us about the Battle of L.A.
585
00:33:16.539 --> 00:33:21.019
in February 1942 or 41, whatever. And he says, maybe
586
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.579
if we look up, we'll see something.
587
00:33:23.809 --> 00:33:24.990
Okay.
588
00:33:25.549 --> 00:33:29.250
Go to Phoenix, Arizona, Maricopa County. Mom and dad told
589
00:33:29.309 --> 00:33:31.630
us about the Phoenix Lights back in 97.
590
00:33:31.609 --> 00:33:33.490
Maybe if we look up, we'll see something.
591
00:33:33.730 --> 00:33:37.150
There's a cultural precedent. It's happened before. Maybe it will
592
00:33:37.190 --> 00:33:37.769
happen again.
593
00:33:37.789 --> 00:33:40.710
This is fascinating. Fascinating. Okay.
594
00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:44.859
Now, let me give you some high statistical numbers here,
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00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:45.740
your audience.
596
00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:46.000
Okay.
597
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.559
Okay, kids, get your pencils out and a piece of paper.
598
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:51.440
You're going to want this. You're going to want this.
599
00:33:51.460 --> 00:33:54.420
You're going to dazzle your friends, you know. Better yet,
600
00:33:54.500 --> 00:33:58.309
buy the book. But let me, what I don't have
601
00:33:58.369 --> 00:34:00.529
in front of me right now to show you. What
602
00:34:00.569 --> 00:34:03.710
we did during 2021, back in 2020, when I was
603
00:34:03.730 --> 00:34:10.809
working on putting this book out, People were dropping me mails.
604
00:34:10.849 --> 00:34:13.110
They said, Cheryl, yeah, you go down to the county level,
605
00:34:13.150 --> 00:34:15.610
but can't you go down to the village level? We'd
606
00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:16.949
like to know what's going on here.
607
00:34:16.969 --> 00:34:23.230
I think it was July of 2020. Again, I was
608
00:34:23.269 --> 00:34:25.570
sitting here on my dining room table, nothing better to do.
609
00:34:26.619 --> 00:34:30.980
And I went ahead and ran a report all the
610
00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:33.679
way down to the zip code and village level.
611
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:35.780
If we had.
612
00:34:37.389 --> 00:34:39.110
We had to make it into a PDF so we
613
00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:41.469
could see how many pages it would be. If we
614
00:34:41.530 --> 00:34:43.469
had tried to print it, it would have been a
615
00:34:43.550 --> 00:34:44.920
foot and a half thick. It would have been the
616
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:48.460
equivalent to three Oxford dictionaries stacked up, foot and a
617
00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:51.159
half thick. Nobody would print a thing like that. It
618
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.880
would have been like a Gutenberg Bible for UFOs, you know?
619
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.989
So we couldn't do that. So I decided, I said,
620
00:34:59.050 --> 00:35:00.989
why don't I just do a single book for every
621
00:35:01.050 --> 00:35:03.969
single state? We'll take all our best research work that
622
00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:07.880
we had in the pink book, okay? All our papers,
623
00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:10.260
the first half of the book is our papers, what
624
00:35:10.300 --> 00:35:13.699
we've learned looking at the data. We wrote these scientific
625
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:14.159
papers up.
626
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:15.239
That would be that.
627
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.030
And then the other part would be state level, county level,
628
00:35:19.289 --> 00:35:22.969
and then within each county right down to the city, village,
629
00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:28.460
and hamlet level and ranked by county zip code cities and.
630
00:35:28.420 --> 00:35:31.039
Villages and their volumes. Okay?
631
00:35:32.900 --> 00:35:35.429
Linda didn't even think I could do it. She said, yeah,
632
00:35:35.489 --> 00:35:36.809
you'll never be able to do it. She stood up
633
00:35:36.909 --> 00:35:39.210
in front of a couple of conventions. I don't believe
634
00:35:39.230 --> 00:35:40.849
she'll ever be able to pull this off.
635
00:35:41.230 --> 00:35:42.570
That would take, you know, you got to be very
636
00:35:42.630 --> 00:35:45.260
meticulous for something like this. Well, okay.
637
00:35:45.380 --> 00:35:50.539
In college, I took a course called Methods Engineering. Even
638
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.170
though I wasn't an engineer, I took Methods Engineering. And
639
00:35:54.210 --> 00:35:57.360
methods engineering is what you classically hear back in the
640
00:35:57.409 --> 00:36:00.320
old manufacturing days. The time study guide that came around,
641
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:03.340
timed every stitch you put in that pair of pajamas,
642
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.780
or how long it takes you to put a wheel
643
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.920
on a car on an assembly line, you know, all
644
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.989
that kind of stuff. Measurements of what it took to
645
00:36:12.050 --> 00:36:12.590
make things.
646
00:36:13.530 --> 00:36:15.010
Okay? All right.
647
00:36:15.110 --> 00:36:17.650
So I thought about it, and I said, you know,
648
00:36:18.469 --> 00:36:20.789
we're going to publish half the book with our papers.
649
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.539
Then the other thing that's in front of the book
650
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:31.329
is the entry pages, the table of contents, the copyright pages.
651
00:36:31.349 --> 00:36:33.630
That's called a verso. Okay? That stuff.
652
00:36:34.050 --> 00:36:38.989
That's only about eight or ten pages. And then the
653
00:36:39.030 --> 00:36:42.170
stuff for the state would be a smaller volume of stuff,
654
00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:43.550
ranked a certain way.
655
00:36:43.570 --> 00:36:44.769
Okay?
656
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:46.260
And.
657
00:36:46.809 --> 00:36:48.869
I figured out how to build, since we were building
658
00:36:48.909 --> 00:36:51.570
this stuff, we weren't sitting down with Word and putting
659
00:36:51.590 --> 00:36:56.469
it together in Word. We were building this stuff in PDFs,
660
00:36:57.889 --> 00:37:01.679
Adobe PDFs. So I could sit here and generate, I
661
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.980
had got a rainy day. I could sit here and
662
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:07.960
just generate the versos, everything short of the ISBN number
663
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.480
for everything, all 50 books. I was able to sit
664
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:17.250
down and I made one PDF that had all of
665
00:37:17.309 --> 00:37:18.300
our papers in it.
666
00:37:19.409 --> 00:37:20.280
Okay. Had that.
667
00:37:20.659 --> 00:37:24.219
And then I started building the individual states, which was straightforward.
668
00:37:24.260 --> 00:37:27.519
It was a couple of spreadsheet type things, ranked a
669
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.940
certain way, burn them into a PDF.
670
00:37:30.699 --> 00:37:31.019
Okay.
671
00:37:31.460 --> 00:37:33.159
And then put some extra charts and graphs and things
672
00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:35.469
like that. But again, I already had that stuff from
673
00:37:35.489 --> 00:37:37.650
the paint book. The numbers hadn't changed.
674
00:37:37.949 --> 00:37:41.809
Just kind of reorganization, kind of just restructuring everything. I
675
00:37:41.869 --> 00:37:42.929
had them all built.
676
00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:48.079
It was like stacking boxes. And then you just merge
677
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.320
the PDF and just have one big PDF. And I
678
00:37:50.380 --> 00:37:56.179
didn't do that until Linda had registered on Amazon, got
679
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.510
me a PDF number. So I put them all together
680
00:37:59.530 --> 00:38:00.969
and said, Linda, here they are.
681
00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:01.949
They're done.
682
00:38:03.389 --> 00:38:05.250
So we put Ohio up first.
683
00:38:05.690 --> 00:38:06.130
We did it.
684
00:38:06.789 --> 00:38:08.690
Again, this is the mystical person, okay?
685
00:38:08.730 --> 00:38:09.250
I'm a witch.
686
00:38:09.269 --> 00:38:12.619
I'm a card-carrying witch. I'm a former Buddhist nun. And
687
00:38:12.739 --> 00:38:17.059
I am an ordained Buddhist shogunate, okay? I'm a magical person, okay?
688
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:23.170
So why Ohio first? Well, we live here. Oh, there
689
00:38:23.210 --> 00:38:25.349
we go. Okay. We moved from New York State to.
690
00:38:25.309 --> 00:38:32.309
Ohio, um, um, uh, 2021, December 20, December 16, 2021,
691
00:38:32.309 --> 00:38:35.969
we were sitting here on card tables and card shares,
692
00:38:36.329 --> 00:38:39.369
you know, and with our, we packed all of our
693
00:38:39.590 --> 00:38:43.489
apartment in bankers boxes instead of big packing boxes. The
694
00:38:43.570 --> 00:38:46.869
place was two layers of boxes, deep floor to ceiling.
695
00:38:46.889 --> 00:38:49.590
It looked like a container ship in here. That's how
696
00:38:49.610 --> 00:38:50.449
we spent Christmas.
697
00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:50.849
Okay.
698
00:38:51.510 --> 00:38:51.789
All right.
699
00:38:52.329 --> 00:38:57.679
Now, so the deal is this, We built Ohio. I
700
00:38:57.820 --> 00:39:01.860
had Ohio built. She registered in Amazon. That takes about
701
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.639
a half an hour. She registered on Amazon. I put
702
00:39:04.659 --> 00:39:08.869
the PDF information, the virtual information, the ISBN number, that
703
00:39:08.889 --> 00:39:11.110
kind of thing. Put that in there. Made it into
704
00:39:11.210 --> 00:39:15.769
one file. She uploaded it. Built the cover using stock
705
00:39:15.969 --> 00:39:17.730
covers from Amazon.
706
00:39:17.750 --> 00:39:18.989
Okay?
707
00:39:19.769 --> 00:39:22.739
We wrote down what we learned. Okay?
708
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:29.010
A week later, We did Michigan. The week after that,
709
00:39:29.650 --> 00:39:33.079
we did five. She built one every day and then
710
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.480
we uploaded them all the same day.
711
00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:37.880
Did this for.
712
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.300
About another couple of weeks. For me, the objective was
713
00:39:42.340 --> 00:39:45.179
to do it in one magical period between Halloween and
714
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:51.380
winter solstice. OK, and that's a six week window. Got
715
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.670
down where I had 20 left, 20 states left to do.
716
00:39:54.690 --> 00:39:59.769
I said, Linda, are you up to 10? I gave
717
00:39:59.789 --> 00:40:01.989
I told the next 10 and there were a mix
718
00:40:02.070 --> 00:40:04.170
of states. It wasn't any, but we weren't playing choosies
719
00:40:04.190 --> 00:40:09.070
with anybody. And OK, Ohio and Michigan, Ohio's the number
720
00:40:09.210 --> 00:40:12.110
eight in the country. Michigan wasn't too much different than that.
721
00:40:13.050 --> 00:40:14.590
We wanted to do Michigan because we were going to
722
00:40:14.610 --> 00:40:16.650
be speaking in Michigan. We hoped they'd have some books
723
00:40:16.670 --> 00:40:18.070
with us, but it didn't work out.
724
00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:20.179
It's a good play kind of thing.
725
00:40:21.099 --> 00:40:23.840
It was a hope. And the Ohio one, we got
726
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.179
to figure out, test out that first thing. Again, what
727
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.800
are you hearing in my mouth? We used to be
728
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:37.309
government contractors. She worked for a company who loaned out
729
00:40:37.409 --> 00:40:42.320
degreed high-level librarians to run government libraries. It was all
730
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.739
contracted out, okay? And I worked for Lockheed Martin for
731
00:40:46.739 --> 00:40:52.570
32 years, okay? Okay, nothing to do with Skunk Works.
732
00:40:52.670 --> 00:40:56.030
I worked for the IT division. Except for five years,
733
00:40:56.070 --> 00:40:59.389
I made industrial films for them, okay? Again, I was
734
00:40:59.429 --> 00:41:00.070
a producer.
735
00:41:00.130 --> 00:41:02.929
We can always hope. We can always hope that there's
736
00:41:02.969 --> 00:41:04.489
some information from the Skunk Works coming through.
737
00:41:07.090 --> 00:41:10.010
There probably is, but it is buried. And people ask
738
00:41:10.030 --> 00:41:12.369
me about skunk warriors. I don't even know the address.
739
00:41:12.409 --> 00:41:15.929
I don't even know where they are. I think they're
740
00:41:15.949 --> 00:41:18.570
a couple of blocks from where Jimmy Church lives, but
741
00:41:18.610 --> 00:41:19.659
that's the best I know.
742
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.559
Okay.
743
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:22.380
All right. So what happened?
744
00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:25.079
I gave her the 10.
745
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:25.699
She put them up.
746
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.340
And about the middle of December, she put the last
747
00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:36.519
10 up. We did all 50 state books. And their name,
748
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:41.500
the same thing. UFOs in California and where to find them.
749
00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:44.199
UFOs in Ohio and where to find them. Kind of
750
00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:46.340
plugged into that Fantastic Beasts and where to find them
751
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.630
kind of hook. And the only thing that was different
752
00:41:50.670 --> 00:41:55.110
between the books is we colored the books based on
753
00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:57.530
the book cover. It's the same kind of book cover.
754
00:41:57.630 --> 00:42:02.960
It's actually, it's like a cross cover. pattern picture from
755
00:42:03.059 --> 00:42:04.989
like a cross pattern from a if you cut a
756
00:42:05.030 --> 00:42:07.469
tree and you got to look at at it from
757
00:42:07.489 --> 00:42:11.150
the thing okay we found that stock but we had
758
00:42:11.210 --> 00:42:13.650
we could run a range of colors so what we
759
00:42:13.690 --> 00:42:17.289
did was we colored the books that were from any
760
00:42:17.429 --> 00:42:23.260
one there are four um census regions so the northern
761
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:26.420
northeast region we made powder blue it's cold up there
762
00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:33.780
middle middle uh uh uh Lower South, we made orange. Hey,
763
00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:34.820
Florida orange, right?
764
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:36.840
The Midwest, green.
765
00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:41.889
And the West Coast mountain region and out into the Pacific,
766
00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:45.110
we made purple. Okay, so if you just by looking
767
00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:49.469
at the color, it's from your census region, okay? And
768
00:42:50.289 --> 00:42:52.289
that was how we did that. So the bottom line
769
00:42:52.369 --> 00:42:55.530
is we put out 50 books in a period of
770
00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:58.030
18 months, and we actually published them all in a
771
00:42:58.070 --> 00:43:03.420
period of six weeks. And nobody believed we could do it.
772
00:43:05.179 --> 00:43:06.480
And if you go up there, if you go up,
773
00:43:06.619 --> 00:43:10.260
if you go, Cheryl, if you just say Cheryl Costa UFO,
774
00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:14.039
you'll get slammed with these books and you'll see a
775
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.199
lot of them. We got four and five stars on them.
776
00:43:16.610 --> 00:43:18.690
And some of the ones where you see only two
777
00:43:18.849 --> 00:43:21.130
or three stars, we got hate mail.
778
00:43:21.630 --> 00:43:23.969
Well, we bought that book and there was no sightings
779
00:43:24.070 --> 00:43:28.190
in there from our town. You know, well, no one reported.
780
00:43:28.250 --> 00:43:31.690
It's not our fault. It's not our fault that people
781
00:43:31.730 --> 00:43:34.869
didn't report anything from there. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
782
00:43:34.889 --> 00:43:37.489
But there were people that held it against us that
783
00:43:37.510 --> 00:43:39.349
we didn't. There was something wrong with the book because
784
00:43:39.630 --> 00:43:40.989
they didn't have UFOs there.
785
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:43.500
Okay, now let me give you the big numbers.
786
00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:47.940
167, off the top of my head, I did this
787
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.900
the other day at church because our minister did a
788
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:52.780
sermon about Betty and Bernie Hill.
789
00:43:53.300 --> 00:43:54.480
Oh, interesting.
790
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.429
He said, With all this stuff going on in UFOs,
791
00:43:57.489 --> 00:44:00.809
we in the spiritual community need to talk about our
792
00:44:00.869 --> 00:44:05.760
neighbors elsewhere. We're supposed to, God told us, love our neighbors. Well,
793
00:44:05.860 --> 00:44:08.110
they're our neighbors too, you know, that kind of thing,
794
00:44:08.139 --> 00:44:09.780
you know.
795
00:44:09.820 --> 00:44:11.219
That's the kind of minister I want to listen to.
796
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.440
I'm a pagan chaplain over there. I was honored.
797
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:15.400
And he came to us just before he went up
798
00:44:16.099 --> 00:44:18.260
on the pulpit. He came over to us and says,
799
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:20.719
I'm going to mention you guys. I said, oh, Jesus,
800
00:44:20.739 --> 00:44:22.780
here we go, you know, you know. That was one
801
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.449
of the few places they didn't know we wrote UFO books.
802
00:44:28.230 --> 00:44:32.050
It's a Unitarian church. They're a great bunch. And I'm
803
00:44:32.070 --> 00:44:35.429
their pagan chaplain.
804
00:44:35.510 --> 00:44:37.190
This is cool.
805
00:44:37.429 --> 00:44:41.699
I even have a clergy badge and everything. That gets
806
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:46.519
me into hospitals. Okay, wait a minute. They're a Unitarian church.
807
00:44:46.539 --> 00:44:49.619
You've got to understand this. Unitarian church, but you notice
808
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.820
it has the icon of ISIS on there. or as
809
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:56.789
the Egyptians call her, a set. I am a priestess
810
00:44:56.869 --> 00:44:59.570
of a set. I work for a sky.
811
00:45:02.449 --> 00:45:04.590
Goddess.
812
00:45:04.590 --> 00:45:10.269
167,632 UFO sightings between 2001 to 2020 reported in the
813
00:45:10.329 --> 00:45:14.030
United States. Now remember how big that number is. If
814
00:45:14.050 --> 00:45:16.460
you've got a calculator, set it out on the table.
815
00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:19.059
You're going to want to run a number in a
816
00:45:19.099 --> 00:45:22.530
couple of minutes. One hundred and sixty seven thousand six
817
00:45:22.590 --> 00:45:23.730
hundred and thirty two.
818
00:45:23.750 --> 00:45:26.449
OK, hold on one second. I'm going to do this.
819
00:45:26.489 --> 00:45:29.949
So one hundred. Let's do this. One hundred and sixty
820
00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:31.510
seven thousand.
821
00:45:31.849 --> 00:45:35.570
Six hundred and thirty two. OK, and that's between Mufon
822
00:45:35.730 --> 00:45:36.329
and New Fork.
823
00:45:36.789 --> 00:45:37.110
OK.
824
00:45:37.889 --> 00:45:38.150
All right.
825
00:45:38.510 --> 00:45:41.429
Roughly, that breaks down to about eighty three hundred eighty
826
00:45:41.530 --> 00:45:43.760
one a year. Let's just say eighty four hundred round
827
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.099
numbers per year for the United States.
828
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:48.239
These are U.S. numbers only.
829
00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:52.059
In case you get international listeners. about 700 a month,
830
00:45:53.739 --> 00:45:59.059
about 161 a week and about 23 a day on average.
831
00:45:59.599 --> 00:45:59.920
Okay.
832
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.480
Now, um, the skeptics, Cheryl, they can't all be real.
833
00:46:08.260 --> 00:46:10.500
The guy who was the manager of the staples where
834
00:46:10.539 --> 00:46:12.519
I used to go get pieces run off because I
835
00:46:12.739 --> 00:46:14.510
didn't want to burn up the cartridge on my printer.
836
00:46:14.949 --> 00:46:15.199
Okay.
837
00:46:16.030 --> 00:46:16.250
Cheap.
838
00:46:16.570 --> 00:46:18.349
You know, it's cheaper to get on the staples. You'll
839
00:46:18.429 --> 00:46:23.940
use their, uh, Okay, so he said to me, Cheryl,
840
00:46:24.260 --> 00:46:26.619
you did take out all the kooks, nuts, and crackpots, right?
841
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.280
And I said, how was I supposed to do that?
842
00:46:32.300 --> 00:46:36.360
I said, tell you what, I'm going to do it
843
00:46:36.380 --> 00:46:39.400
a different way. I said, Ralph, I can do it differently.
844
00:46:39.420 --> 00:46:40.119
He said, what do you mean?
845
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.239
I said, what if I took some off? He says, okay,
846
00:46:44.510 --> 00:46:45.969
how many are you going to do? I said, that's
847
00:46:46.010 --> 00:46:50.469
the question. How many do I do? Okay, well, he thought, 5%,
848
00:46:50.469 --> 00:46:54.090
maybe 10%. They said, I'll do you one better. Why
849
00:46:54.130 --> 00:47:01.570
don't we throw 70% away and only keep 30% of
850
00:47:01.630 --> 00:47:08.179
the sightings? Does that feel more palatable to you? Oh, God, Cheryl, yeah. Yeah, boy,
851
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:09.119
that makes them really rare.
852
00:47:09.139 --> 00:47:09.699
Okay?
853
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.579
So, 30% of the 167,632 works out to about 107,000.
854
00:47:19.179 --> 00:47:20.420
And 67,000. I'm sorry. Stop. Wrong.
855
00:47:20.500 --> 00:47:22.820
Long day. Okay.
856
00:47:22.820 --> 00:47:24.639
30% of the 167,000 works out to about 50,000 a year.
857
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:24.880
50,289 for 20 years.
858
00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:24.980
Okay.
859
00:47:24.980 --> 00:47:27.059
50,000 for 20 years. About 2,500 a year. About 210
860
00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:49.840
a month. About four a week. Okay. Now, Think what
861
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:50.360
that means.
862
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.519
This is the United States now. If 30% of the
863
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.880
real thing, don't you think it's trustworthy that we've got
864
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:07.829
210 starships a month every month for the last 240
865
00:48:07.829 --> 00:48:10.170
months of 20 years coming to the United States?
866
00:48:11.090 --> 00:48:13.090
When you say it like that, it actually adds more.
867
00:48:13.110 --> 00:48:15.570
It's got more power to it, you know, more oomph
868
00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:16.329
as well, right?
869
00:48:16.489 --> 00:48:18.780
Oh, you want to know when I scared the editors
870
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.260
out of the room. That's when I, that's when. So,
871
00:48:21.420 --> 00:48:25.519
but then they say, Cheryl, they can't get here from there. Okay,
872
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.699
but okay, first thing. Okay, they can't get here from there.
873
00:48:28.900 --> 00:48:35.469
They're thinking that galaxy or that solar system 200 light
874
00:48:35.510 --> 00:48:39.429
years away or 5,000 light years away. Yeah, in this space,
875
00:48:39.510 --> 00:48:43.780
they can't get here. Recent developments out of the CERN
876
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:49.199
laboratories over in Europe, they have figured out how to
877
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:55.519
do it. 20 minute drive into the fifth dimensional bulk
878
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.000
produced by some very exotic particles that they've been able
879
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:04.449
to produce at that big collider. 20 minutes into the bulk,
880
00:49:04.769 --> 00:49:07.789
we would wink out here and we would wink out
881
00:49:08.030 --> 00:49:09.150
within range.
882
00:49:09.190 --> 00:49:10.090
Of Alpha Centauri.
883
00:49:10.090 --> 00:49:15.869
20 minute trip for a 50,000 year trip. And that
884
00:49:15.949 --> 00:49:21.949
science is being worked on presently. Okay, now, people say, well,
885
00:49:21.969 --> 00:49:22.869
how did the greys get here?
886
00:49:23.250 --> 00:49:23.789
Circle thing.
887
00:49:23.989 --> 00:49:27.320
They were 39 light years away. And it took them
888
00:49:27.429 --> 00:49:31.159
nine months to get there. That's a nine-month trip into
889
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.679
the bulk to go 39 light years. These guys are
890
00:49:35.739 --> 00:49:42.300
doing this travel in other dimensions. Okay, so this is
891
00:49:42.420 --> 00:49:45.960
interdimensional travel. There's also sub-dimensions like here. Well, out of
892
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:48.610
its local right here, when we started off the nukes
893
00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:53.150
back in 1945, suddenly we had a flurry of UFOs.
894
00:49:53.369 --> 00:49:55.829
Where did they come from? Did they come from outer
895
00:49:55.869 --> 00:49:59.550
space or did they come from inner space? Did we
896
00:49:59.610 --> 00:50:02.829
blow out there in the desert detonating those weapons or
897
00:50:02.869 --> 00:50:07.469
did we blow a hole in somebody else's universe? noticed
898
00:50:07.489 --> 00:50:11.610
that they have discovered all this compartmented security stuff right
899
00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:15.030
now that they're testifying about. The stuff that should have
900
00:50:15.050 --> 00:50:18.030
been declassified in 50 years. When I went in the Navy,
901
00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:20.869
I was in intelligence and yeah, stuff is supposed to
902
00:50:20.889 --> 00:50:22.469
be declassified after 20 years.
903
00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:24.130
Supposed to be.
904
00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:26.909
I went to try and write some stuff about what
905
00:50:26.969 --> 00:50:28.750
I did in the Navy and the Pentagon told me
906
00:50:28.789 --> 00:50:32.250
it won't be declassified until 50 years after I'm dead. So,
907
00:50:33.269 --> 00:50:36.699
not everything follows that rule. But, Most of the stuff
908
00:50:36.739 --> 00:50:39.219
they're hiding with the UFOs and anything to do with
909
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:48.409
extraterrestrial contact, they've hidden in the atomic energy regulations and compartmentalizations,
910
00:50:48.670 --> 00:50:51.949
and the rules are different there because they don't ever expire.
911
00:50:54.369 --> 00:50:54.610
Okay?
912
00:50:56.349 --> 00:50:59.309
Now, isn't that interesting.
913
00:50:59.190 --> 00:51:03.550
That, gee whiz, we might be blowing holes in other
914
00:51:03.610 --> 00:51:09.460
people's reality, that are just a heartbeat away dimensionally.
915
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:11.719
Okay? Think about that a minute.
916
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.119
And that makes a whole bunch more sense about how
917
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:17.880
they're getting here. Now, let me give you one more
918
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:18.460
set of numbers.
919
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.440
You'll like this. Remember that 167,632?
920
00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:23.239
The hardcore skeptics. Sure, they got to be rarer than
921
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:27.050
that 210 you're talking to me about.
922
00:51:27.070 --> 00:51:27.280
Okay?
923
00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:27.409
Okay?
924
00:51:34.250 --> 00:51:34.849
What if I throw 99% away?
925
00:51:34.849 --> 00:51:34.880
99%.
926
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:35.909
1% for that 20-year period is $ 1, 676 for 20 years,
927
00:51:35.929 --> 00:51:38.489
about $ 84 per year, or about $ 7 per month. $ 7
928
00:51:38.389 --> 00:51:39.010
per month.
929
00:51:38.809 --> 00:51:41.690
For 240 months of 20 years. That's still newsworthy.
930
00:51:41.710 --> 00:51:43.530
And that's when they stop talking to me on the
931
00:51:43.550 --> 00:52:07.849
phone and hang up. at the newspaper offices. I scared
932
00:52:07.889 --> 00:52:10.250
the living snot out of them.
933
00:52:12.750 --> 00:52:18.019
Okay, so at this point, I am open to your questions.
934
00:52:18.619 --> 00:52:21.420
Short of my ATM pin and what I did in
935
00:52:21.460 --> 00:52:25.820
the Navy, I will answer your questions as honestly as
936
00:52:25.900 --> 00:52:26.199
I can.
937
00:52:26.650 --> 00:52:28.469
Where do I begin? Where do I begin?
938
00:52:28.570 --> 00:52:31.389
So how, well, first thing, go ahead.
939
00:52:31.690 --> 00:52:32.530
Go ahead. Okay.
940
00:52:32.550 --> 00:52:36.190
Let me say one more thing. One more thing with this. People,
941
00:52:36.750 --> 00:52:41.969
I've had very polite male and very hostile male.
942
00:52:43.269 --> 00:52:43.670
Sure.
943
00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:47.349
And they pass this thing to let people, got security,
944
00:52:47.389 --> 00:52:50.789
security oaths, you know, are you going to testify?
945
00:52:50.829 --> 00:52:53.309
You have an obligation to testify. You have an obligation
946
00:52:53.329 --> 00:52:54.769
to the human race to testify.
947
00:52:56.230 --> 00:52:58.190
When I never worked on that stuff in the military,
948
00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:01.269
worked on a lot of other screwy stuff.
949
00:53:02.110 --> 00:53:06.010
Okay. And I won't say it.
950
00:53:06.610 --> 00:53:10.349
Um, I, I, I, I have, I still have boundaries.
951
00:53:10.769 --> 00:53:12.289
Okay. So there's boundaries. Okay.
952
00:53:12.949 --> 00:53:15.550
Uh, and yet I won't tell you what those boundaries are.
953
00:53:17.030 --> 00:53:19.909
We won't push them. We won't push them. I will
954
00:53:19.929 --> 00:53:22.090
not do that. Okay. Okay.
955
00:53:22.650 --> 00:53:27.719
Um, but the bottom line is this, um, I just
956
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.400
lost my train of thought. What was I going to
957
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:30.760
tell you?
958
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.400
Oh, where were we going? Okay.
959
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:39.449
If you look at this topic matter from the idea
960
00:53:39.469 --> 00:53:41.949
of like, we were talking like the atomic energy things
961
00:53:42.010 --> 00:53:44.809
and things like this, that's the very real possibility.
962
00:53:45.789 --> 00:53:47.530
Okay. Now here's that number.
963
00:53:48.869 --> 00:53:52.210
Remember I told you that with 30%, it was 210
964
00:53:52.210 --> 00:53:56.630
a month might be the real thing. And I said
965
00:53:56.809 --> 00:53:57.690
even the 1% was still $ 7 a month.
966
00:53:57.710 --> 00:53:59.050
Okay. Okay, kids, take the $ 167, 632 and put it in
967
00:54:00.050 --> 00:54:00.429
your calculator.
968
00:54:00.429 --> 00:54:04.869
$ 167, 632.
969
00:54:01.909 --> 00:54:03.420
Times that by $ 257. And hit equal.
970
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:29.300
We have $ 43, 081, 424. Yeah, because only one in 257 people
971
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.719
reports what they see. We figured that statistic out. And
972
00:54:32.739 --> 00:54:35.579
you know how we figured it out? You know, the
973
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:39.079
ONDI reports, you know, they were talking, well, we have
974
00:54:39.099 --> 00:54:43.909
like 500 sightings, but only this percentage worked out to anything. Well,
975
00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:49.989
funny thing, that number, I think I got that ONDI
976
00:54:50.010 --> 00:54:55.190
thingy right here. That number was very, very close to
977
00:54:55.469 --> 00:54:57.969
the We had done, people were coming to me for
978
00:54:57.989 --> 00:55:00.389
a long time, last couple of years, saying, Cheryl, what
979
00:55:00.429 --> 00:55:02.769
percentage do you think are real? I said, 5%.
980
00:55:02.769 --> 00:55:02.909
5%.
981
00:55:02.909 --> 00:55:08.030
I was going to throw, if I was going to
982
00:55:08.409 --> 00:55:11.760
say a number that feels comfortable, throw 95% of the
983
00:55:11.780 --> 00:55:15.840
sightings away for all the reasons they say. People were drunk.
984
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:21.639
People were curlers. They were smoking dope. They were seeing
985
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.019
spots on the windshield of their car. All the reasons
986
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:25.519
you ever hear.
987
00:55:25.929 --> 00:55:27.530
Okay. All right.
988
00:55:29.230 --> 00:55:34.969
If it was that, it would be about $ 4, 914 for 5%. Now,
989
00:55:35.010 --> 00:55:37.780
it would be $ 4, 914 for 20 years, almost $ 5, 000. It
990
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:40.420
would be about $ 2, 500 a year, and it would be
991
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.199
about $ 210 a month and about $ 47 a week.
992
00:55:42.219 --> 00:55:42.300
Okay.
993
00:55:42.340 --> 00:55:58.239
So that comes down to it. And we kept cranking
994
00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:01.000
that back against the combined numbers MUFON and NUFORC. Now,
995
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:03.320
we know some people get on Facebook and tell their friends,
996
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.000
but they don't go, we're not going to go out
997
00:56:05.019 --> 00:56:06.840
to one of those reporting centers. We know the government's
998
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.880
looking right back at the computer on us. And that's
999
00:56:08.900 --> 00:56:12.619
what we hear all the time. So we know some numbers.
1000
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.849
We couldn't make that number work. We couldn't make the 167,632
1001
00:56:15.849 --> 00:56:18.030
work with the fact that another number that was given
1002
00:56:18.090 --> 00:56:31.269
to us was that a Gallup poll, and also, it
1003
00:56:31.710 --> 00:56:35.039
was a poll done by Fox, and then Gallup backed
1004
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:41.920
it up two years later. They said 16.74% of adult
1005
00:56:41.980 --> 00:56:49.789
Americans say they've seen a UFO. Well, adult Americans, we
1006
00:56:49.809 --> 00:56:52.889
went into census records and looked at census records, started
1007
00:56:52.949 --> 00:56:57.030
playing with the numbers, and just nothing fit. So we built,
1008
00:56:57.309 --> 00:57:00.730
we went to every single state's census numbers, figured out
1009
00:57:00.750 --> 00:57:04.070
what their 16% of adult numbers were.
1010
00:57:04.929 --> 00:57:09.360
Okay. And we ended up building a bell curve. Okay.
1011
00:57:10.059 --> 00:57:13.280
On one end, it was one in 450 people, roughly.
1012
00:57:14.139 --> 00:57:16.719
One in 450 people reported what they see. On the
1013
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:18.750
other end of the spectrum was one in about 125,
1014
00:57:18.730 --> 00:57:19.059
150 people.
1015
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:19.179
Okay.
1016
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:20.159
At the top of the bell, it was.
1017
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:31.849
About 250, 257 in that range. Yes, that was the
1018
00:57:31.909 --> 00:57:34.929
first swag on it. And then when I read an
1019
00:57:35.349 --> 00:57:39.989
ONDI report and then a report that was done by
1020
00:57:40.570 --> 00:57:44.630
Blue Book, they had similar numbers for like a ratio
1021
00:57:44.650 --> 00:57:47.809
of four or 500. They couldn't explain. And, you know,
1022
00:57:49.409 --> 00:57:50.650
this percentage might be real.
1023
00:57:51.010 --> 00:57:51.530
Okay, fine.
1024
00:57:51.610 --> 00:57:53.650
I started working the numbers. I kept seeing a common
1025
00:57:53.710 --> 00:57:58.329
baseline there. And it kept coming out to around 5%.
1026
00:57:58.329 --> 00:58:06.630
So I said, okay, 5%. That's Sheryl Costa's swag on it, 5%. Okay,
1027
00:58:06.849 --> 00:58:11.250
I may be 100% wrong, but to some degree, I've
1028
00:58:11.269 --> 00:58:14.150
got the best mathematical models of anybody in the country. So,
1029
00:58:14.250 --> 00:58:16.329
I mean, I feel comfortable with the work. You got
1030
00:58:16.369 --> 00:58:19.739
a lot of numbers to back you. Yeah, I've got
1031
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.719
the numbers. And that's the goofy thing about that is
1032
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.400
I've got the numbers. but remember, I flunked math all
1033
00:58:25.420 --> 00:58:32.460
through high school. No, no, I, okay, for those people,
1034
00:58:32.539 --> 00:58:35.030
I've got a nice deep voice. I'm a transsexual woman.
1035
00:58:35.070 --> 00:58:36.170
I'm a trans woman.
1036
00:58:37.110 --> 00:58:37.929
It's old news.
1037
00:58:38.150 --> 00:58:42.889
I changed 35 years ago. Boy, I was a sweet-looking
1038
00:58:42.929 --> 00:58:43.769
babe back then, too.
1039
00:58:43.889 --> 00:58:44.650
Trust me.
1040
00:58:45.269 --> 00:58:52.329
Hot as hell, okay? These days, the mammallaries, they're like
1041
00:58:52.369 --> 00:58:54.699
dowsing rods. You know, they Point down, you know.
1042
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:58.019
But I'm 72 years old next month, for God's sakes,
1043
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.110
you know. So, all right. So the deal on all
1044
00:59:02.150 --> 00:59:02.809
of this is.
1045
00:59:04.789 --> 00:59:07.010
When I was going through all the screening they do
1046
00:59:08.250 --> 00:59:12.130
for this stuff, I graduated in the lower quarter of
1047
00:59:12.190 --> 00:59:14.650
my high school class. My guidance counselors wrote me off
1048
00:59:14.730 --> 00:59:16.909
as somebody who just needed to basically learn how to
1049
00:59:16.969 --> 00:59:18.449
push a broom at some factory.
1050
00:59:19.530 --> 00:59:19.789
Okay.
1051
00:59:20.750 --> 00:59:22.630
Nobody realized until I got in the Air Force I
1052
00:59:22.650 --> 00:59:29.539
was dyslexic. And I hadn't matured to handle mathematics.
1053
00:59:31.300 --> 00:59:32.260
Funny how I matured.
1054
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.219
Okay. All right.
1055
00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:37.840
So Hopkins threw a set and I came up with
1056
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:39.860
this 140 IQ kind of thing.
1057
00:59:40.059 --> 00:59:41.719
Hey, you should be a member of Mensa. You know,
1058
00:59:41.739 --> 00:59:42.280
that kind of thing.
1059
00:59:43.550 --> 00:59:45.769
A couple of years, a year, about a year or
1060
00:59:45.809 --> 00:59:49.869
two later, the government, when I was working for Lockheed,
1061
00:59:49.909 --> 00:59:53.590
the government tried to take my clearance away. Because I
1062
00:59:53.610 --> 00:59:55.710
was still sort of like 50% in the closet. I
1063
00:59:55.730 --> 00:59:59.670
was Cheryl outside of work, you know, but what's his
1064
00:59:59.730 --> 01:00:02.489
name at work, that type of thing. And I don't
1065
01:00:02.530 --> 01:00:07.039
dead name myself. And so they said, well, we think
1066
01:00:07.059 --> 01:00:08.000
you can be blackmailed.
1067
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:13.420
Government guy. I said, well, could you give me two?
1068
01:00:13.659 --> 01:00:14.619
We're going to turn off your clearance.
1069
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:18.730
They said, could you give me three weeks? I think
1070
01:00:18.769 --> 01:00:21.269
I can fix it. We don't think you can fix it, but.
1071
01:00:21.210 --> 01:00:22.210
We'll come back in three weeks.
1072
01:00:22.230 --> 01:00:25.650
We'll turn off your clearance then. He comes back three
1073
01:00:25.690 --> 01:00:29.010
weeks later. Remember, I'm still this white shirt and tie,
1074
01:00:29.070 --> 01:00:31.690
but my hair is permed. My eyebrows have gotten thinner.
1075
01:00:31.750 --> 01:00:33.530
I got double pierced ears and I wear a little
1076
01:00:33.570 --> 01:00:35.929
mascara every day. But I was still a white shirt
1077
01:00:35.949 --> 01:00:38.659
and tie person. Okay, we were in the IBM division.
1078
01:00:39.699 --> 01:00:42.619
It was something, that's how you dress. I came up
1079
01:00:42.860 --> 01:00:44.360
and came up to him and said, hey, I fixed
1080
01:00:44.420 --> 01:00:47.380
it through a VHS tape on the desk. His big complaint,
1081
01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:48.860
nobody at work knew what I was. I said, I
1082
01:00:48.889 --> 01:00:51.710
was trying to be professionally discreet for God's sakes, you know.
1083
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:53.480
He says, well, what's this?
1084
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:55.460
I said, I'm the blonde on Phil Donahue. I'm the
1085
01:00:55.500 --> 01:00:59.119
redhead on Gary Collins. And I'm going to be on,
1086
01:00:59.179 --> 01:01:01.659
what was the other guy? I can't remember his name now.
1087
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.360
But a guy just sat there. His jaw went down
1088
01:01:05.389 --> 01:01:08.289
on his chest. He goes, you came out on national television? Yeah,
1089
01:01:08.329 --> 01:01:10.889
and it can't be blackmailed. I made VHS copies, gave
1090
01:01:10.909 --> 01:01:12.389
them to all the guys in the office. They took
1091
01:01:12.409 --> 01:01:15.510
them home. They watched them with their wives. Everybody knows.
1092
01:01:16.210 --> 01:01:19.690
You know? And he just sat there and shook his head.
1093
01:01:19.710 --> 01:01:21.969
That's a great move. That was like checkmate. Yeah.
1094
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:28.619
That is, you can only be blackmailed if you're closeted
1095
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:35.139
about it. Okay, this is about 84, 85 then, right? So,
1096
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:39.920
I get a letter from them a week later, DOD stationary. Well,
1097
01:01:40.420 --> 01:01:43.239
we agree with you, you really can't be blackmailed for
1098
01:01:43.260 --> 01:01:51.260
your visibility anymore. We question the validity and the saneness
1099
01:01:51.550 --> 01:01:55.179
of going and outing yourself on national television.
1100
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.420
We want you to talk to a Department of Defense
1101
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:01.719
certified psychiatrist. If you don't agree, we will turn off
1102
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:05.719
your clearance immediately. I wrote back, sure, happy to do it.
1103
01:02:06.610 --> 01:02:09.750
Please make sure this psychiatrist has sex and gender background.
1104
01:02:10.429 --> 01:02:12.650
Because a lot of psychiatrists didn't, and they would say
1105
01:02:12.690 --> 01:02:16.460
there's no such thing as transsexuals. There's brilliance up there
1106
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:22.179
in those ranks. So, They sent me down to see
1107
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.619
this guy down in D.C., okay?
1108
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:29.940
Remember, just 85 people could still smoke in their office, right?
1109
01:02:31.340 --> 01:02:33.639
So I get in there. The guy talks to me
1110
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:35.940
for 20 minutes. I show him I'm a columnist in
1111
01:02:35.980 --> 01:02:40.050
a transsexual magazine, you know, and all this stuff.
1112
01:02:40.110 --> 01:02:41.139
And he says, yeah, okay.
1113
01:02:41.260 --> 01:02:43.570
He sits back in his chair, lights up the smoke,
1114
01:02:43.650 --> 01:02:47.110
sits back there, and he says, Cheryl, you're saner than
1115
01:02:47.130 --> 01:02:51.420
the people who sent you here. He said, I'm going
1116
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:52.980
to have to still send you out for a full
1117
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:54.960
set of psychological tests. I said, I just had a
1118
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.539
full battery up at Hopkins. He said, ah, let's do
1119
01:02:57.579 --> 01:02:59.940
another set. I'm there dying for God's sakes, you know.
1120
01:03:00.460 --> 01:03:02.380
So they sent me over to see it. A couple
1121
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:05.480
weeks later, text results come back. Perfectly healthy woman took
1122
01:03:05.530 --> 01:03:06.690
this test and she should be a.
1123
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:07.409
Member of MENSA.
1124
01:03:12.050 --> 01:03:16.610
Transsexuals are not insane. Usually, they're much higher intelligence than
1125
01:03:16.630 --> 01:03:17.449
the average person.
1126
01:03:17.570 --> 01:03:17.929
Who knew?
1127
01:03:18.969 --> 01:03:22.940
That's because we get Two sets of intelligence running around
1128
01:03:22.980 --> 01:03:29.920
in this chicken soup, okay? Okay, I will take your questions.
1129
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.530
Okay, I only got a couple. I only got a couple.
1130
01:03:32.550 --> 01:03:34.269
I know we're getting to the time there.
1131
01:03:34.769 --> 01:03:35.429
I know, I know.
1132
01:03:35.550 --> 01:03:39.929
Why UFOs? How did you get into UFOs? You jumped
1133
01:03:40.030 --> 01:03:44.929
in right into the deep end, and you've got so
1134
01:03:44.989 --> 01:03:47.389
much information, but why UFOs?
1135
01:03:48.619 --> 01:03:57.199
That was the other closet. Okay, so my first UFO, 1965,
1136
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:58.460
I was about 12 years old.
1137
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.980
Okay, it was about.
1138
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.469
Three, four weeks before school started after Labor Day. Okay,
1139
01:04:07.690 --> 01:04:11.050
wet season, corn was higher than our Chevy Impala. We
1140
01:04:11.070 --> 01:04:14.090
were visiting an uncle on his farm. Coming down off
1141
01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:18.670
the hill on a dirt road, Sunday afternoon, facing west,
1142
01:04:19.190 --> 01:04:22.389
we got about halfway down the hill. This is upstate
1143
01:04:22.429 --> 01:04:24.389
New York, so, you know, got halfway down the hill.
1144
01:04:24.829 --> 01:04:27.849
Mom said, stop. Dad pulled over a minute. She pointed out,
1145
01:04:28.150 --> 01:04:30.500
clear blue sky, parked out there like a rock with
1146
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:34.440
a spear, okay? Show you how big it is. Hold
1147
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:36.239
your arm out and look at your little fingernail.
1148
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.679
That's how big it was. Ballpark, okay?
1149
01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:44.800
And Mom sat there, and I said, Mom, what is it?
1150
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:47.389
She said, well, NASA was only a few years old
1151
01:04:47.429 --> 01:04:47.969
at that point.
1152
01:04:48.739 --> 01:04:49.050
Okay.
1153
01:04:49.219 --> 01:04:51.329
Maybe it's something NASA's doing. Maybe it's something the Air
1154
01:04:51.389 --> 01:04:54.429
Force is doing. Maybe it's a weather balloon. Maybe it's
1155
01:04:54.510 --> 01:04:55.829
people from another world.
1156
01:04:57.309 --> 01:04:58.010
Your mom said that?
1157
01:04:58.530 --> 01:05:02.630
My mom said that. Okay. Back when we were still talking.
1158
01:05:04.849 --> 01:05:10.599
I'm just on a disinherited. It happens, yeah. I can still,
1159
01:05:10.820 --> 01:05:12.500
on the other hand, though, I can still pick up
1160
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:16.010
a telephone and I can call her, my 92-year-old mother.
1161
01:05:16.110 --> 01:05:17.469
I can pick her up on the phone, call her
1162
01:05:17.510 --> 01:05:18.730
up on the phone and say, hey, mom, I got
1163
01:05:18.750 --> 01:05:20.190
a really good UFO sighting for you.
1164
01:05:20.289 --> 01:05:23.110
Yes. What? Otherwise, she doesn't want to talk to me.
1165
01:05:23.260 --> 01:05:25.199
Okay. Okay.
1166
01:05:25.780 --> 01:05:27.280
So that was that.
1167
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.559
We got down the bottom of the hill, drove off.
1168
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.320
It was still out there. Remember those big old Chevys?
1169
01:05:33.380 --> 01:05:35.659
They had those big back windows.
1170
01:05:35.699 --> 01:05:38.500
You know. So I'm up there in that window. Who
1171
01:05:38.539 --> 01:05:40.489
are you guys? Who are you guys? You know.
1172
01:05:40.949 --> 01:05:44.320
And when that thing decided to leave, I didn't see
1173
01:05:44.340 --> 01:05:46.820
an effect like this until like the late 80s, early
1174
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:49.400
90s with one of the first couple of Star Trek movies.
1175
01:05:51.260 --> 01:05:51.800
Type of thing.
1176
01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:58.130
A thing like that changes you. So suddenly, you know,
1177
01:05:58.610 --> 01:06:02.289
you're 12, 13 years old. You're coming into your teens.
1178
01:06:02.349 --> 01:06:05.050
Mom and dad are stupid. You know, you know, that was,
1179
01:06:05.090 --> 01:06:07.840
you know. So you're sitting there with this whole thing.
1180
01:06:08.139 --> 01:06:12.219
And suddenly mom and I started getting close and started talking.
1181
01:06:13.889 --> 01:06:17.250
And we'd get books at the library, and she'd buy
1182
01:06:17.269 --> 01:06:20.349
them at the bookstore. I was a boy in those days.
1183
01:06:20.409 --> 01:06:23.530
I'd be at the barbershop, open Argosy Magazine. Hey, UFO thing,
1184
01:06:23.570 --> 01:06:25.469
running across the street to the coffee place, you know,
1185
01:06:25.530 --> 01:06:26.280
take it home, you know.
1186
01:06:27.340 --> 01:06:27.940
That type of thing.
1187
01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:31.619
When Von Danigan's book came out, our copy in the household,
1188
01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:34.559
mom dog-eared on the top, I dog-eared on the bottom.
1189
01:06:34.579 --> 01:06:39.099
We destroyed that book, you know. So I was close
1190
01:06:39.139 --> 01:06:39.369
to it.
1191
01:06:39.860 --> 01:06:40.139
All right.
1192
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:41.980
Move ahead.
1193
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:42.679
That was....
1194
01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:49.570
In the 10th or 11th grade. I graduate from high school.
1195
01:06:49.690 --> 01:06:54.110
I go right into the Air Force. Okay. Lesser known thing.
1196
01:06:54.130 --> 01:06:55.769
Yes, I'm a cleric now. Okay.
1197
01:06:56.570 --> 01:06:59.389
I was that good little Catholic boy who went to
1198
01:06:59.429 --> 01:07:00.369
Mass every morning.
1199
01:07:01.309 --> 01:07:02.170
Every morning.
1200
01:07:03.170 --> 01:07:05.849
Everyone thought I was the one of two or three
1201
01:07:05.889 --> 01:07:08.130
people who were going to be a Catholic priest out
1202
01:07:08.170 --> 01:07:09.489
of our school class.
1203
01:07:09.510 --> 01:07:10.880
Okay.
1204
01:07:10.889 --> 01:07:10.969
Okay.
1205
01:07:14.469 --> 01:07:16.929
I was supposed to go to seminary after I graduated.
1206
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:24.119
Something happened. I was at dinner at the Parsonage, and
1207
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.699
the senior pastor, back in those days, Catholic churches had
1208
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.739
like four priests. Usually the older guys, and there was
1209
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:35.639
a guy right out of seminary, probably 25 years old,
1210
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:37.809
something like that. So I'd been down there washing the
1211
01:07:37.849 --> 01:07:41.610
cars with him. And they invited me in for supper.
1212
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:44.139
And something was on TV that made me cry. It
1213
01:07:44.179 --> 01:07:46.309
was something on news and showed some really.
1214
01:07:47.809 --> 01:07:48.369
Sick people.
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01:07:49.050 --> 01:07:52.070
And I started crying. I was the boy who cried.
1216
01:07:53.489 --> 01:07:56.480
And the pastor with liquor on his breath told me,
1217
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:57.940
you're going to be a priest. You're going to have
1218
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.039
to be tougher than that. So I just tried to
1219
01:08:00.139 --> 01:08:02.449
roll with it. Okay, yeah, I get that father.
1220
01:08:02.469 --> 01:08:04.250
No problem. He wouldn't let go of it.
1221
01:08:04.849 --> 01:08:08.030
And I kept trying to get out of it with him.
1222
01:08:08.269 --> 01:08:09.349
He wouldn't.
1223
01:08:09.929 --> 01:08:13.230
Finally, it set me off. And we got into a knock-down, drag-out,
1224
01:08:13.309 --> 01:08:16.380
screaming match. And they pulled my sponsorship the next day.
1225
01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:19.260
I was in the Air Force eight weeks later.
1226
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:22.619
A volunteer from Vietnam. I'm going to make a man
1227
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:25.100
out of myself or die trying. I'm out of here.
1228
01:08:25.220 --> 01:08:27.840
I'm out of here. Yes. There were two things.
1229
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:30.460
One, he just took my life away.
1230
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:32.880
That was my attitude. Okay?
1231
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:35.779
So I joined the Air Force. You know, run away
1232
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:37.350
and join the circus or run off and join the
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01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.590
French Foreign Legion. I joined the Air Force.
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01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:39.689
Okay.
1235
01:08:40.449 --> 01:08:43.770
And I was there a year in Texas. And I said,
1236
01:08:44.829 --> 01:08:48.130
I've got to settle this within myself. I knew as
1237
01:08:48.170 --> 01:08:53.829
a kid, there was this feminine instinct. So I volunteered
1238
01:08:53.850 --> 01:08:56.430
for Vietnam. I'm going to go make a man of myself.
1239
01:08:56.529 --> 01:08:58.069
I'm going to die trying. And all I managed to
1240
01:08:58.109 --> 01:09:00.699
do was my feminine instincts get, me out of trouble.
1241
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:05.239
And I came back a decorated veteran. With Agent Orange disease.
1242
01:09:06.340 --> 01:09:08.460
And I'm being treated for that three times a month
1243
01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:10.880
over at the VA.
1244
01:09:11.229 --> 01:09:11.619
Funny stuff.
1245
01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:16.479
But that's how we got into UFOs. In Christmas Eve, 1971,
1246
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:19.710
Cameron Bay, Vietnam, I'm walking down to Midnight Mass for
1247
01:09:19.770 --> 01:09:22.930
something to do with a buddy of mine. We're walking
1248
01:09:22.970 --> 01:09:25.210
down to Midnight Mass. They've got all the runway lights
1249
01:09:25.270 --> 01:09:28.289
shut off at Cameron Bay. Okay, we're on a peninsula.
1250
01:09:28.329 --> 01:09:31.250
It's like Cameron Bay. Everybody thinks Vietnam. They think jungles.
1251
01:09:31.489 --> 01:09:34.369
Cameron Bay looked like Virginia Beach. It was all sand, okay?
1252
01:09:35.329 --> 01:09:39.670
And we're walking down there, and the western sky tore us.
1253
01:09:40.069 --> 01:09:42.289
You know, that type of thing was in the sky.
1254
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:46.859
We saw this thing streaking across the sky. I said, jet,
1255
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:52.010
you know, and it stopped. And my friend looked at me,
1256
01:09:52.029 --> 01:09:54.770
he says, jets don't stop. I said, and helicopters don't
1257
01:09:54.829 --> 01:09:57.510
fly that fast. And I said, if that's what I
1258
01:09:57.550 --> 01:09:59.390
think it is, it's going to start dancing around like
1259
01:09:59.430 --> 01:10:03.640
a fairy. Neither one of us had our minds at midnight. Yes,
1260
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:07.920
when I got there, I tell you. So I didn't
1261
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:11.270
tell anybody that until about 15 years before I started
1262
01:10:11.310 --> 01:10:16.159
writing my newspaper column in 2013. When I came out
1263
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:18.659
from under, I was retired out of Lockheed in 2011.
1264
01:10:18.659 --> 01:10:25.579
The gloves came off. I was no longer, after 18 months,
1265
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:31.520
I was no longer under security clearance.
1266
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.579
2011, 2013, two years.
1267
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:37.069
Later, I began writing a column. It turned out to
1268
01:10:37.109 --> 01:10:40.390
be the most popular column in the paper about UFOs.
1269
01:10:41.050 --> 01:10:44.970
had international readership. And you did that for seven years,
1270
01:10:44.970 --> 01:10:51.649
238 articles. And people say, wow, it must be fun
1271
01:10:51.670 --> 01:10:53.010
to write a UFO column.
1272
01:10:53.149 --> 01:10:58.039
I said, it's an 800-word turnpaper every Thursday. It's a
1273
01:10:58.100 --> 01:11:00.279
lot of work. Think about it. Yes.
1274
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:03.020
Part of the reason I quit, I have a lot
1275
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.319
of other writing that I do now. I'm a contract
1276
01:11:05.380 --> 01:11:08.680
writer these days. And I was writing, I wrote for
1277
01:11:08.699 --> 01:11:12.880
most of 2023. for the Roswell Daily Record.
1278
01:11:13.619 --> 01:11:14.609
And I was having fun doing it.
1279
01:11:14.699 --> 01:11:20.619
But that 800 words every Wednesday for them turned out
1280
01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:26.819
to take me two days research time. So basically, I
1281
01:11:26.859 --> 01:11:29.460
was only getting paid barely $ 100 for an article. And
1282
01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:33.779
when you work that back against two days worth of
1283
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:36.520
research time and with all the stuff that was happening,
1284
01:11:36.539 --> 01:11:39.319
you know, people are coming out, whistleblowers left and right.
1285
01:11:40.260 --> 01:11:44.020
News Nation putting these guys on almost immediately. I couldn't
1286
01:11:44.060 --> 01:11:46.039
keep up with that. My paper didn't have the money
1287
01:11:46.060 --> 01:11:48.979
to put me down there to cover the case. There's
1288
01:11:49.090 --> 01:11:53.630
no way I could keep up with it. My editor
1289
01:11:53.670 --> 01:11:55.310
told me, he said, why don't you just write opinion
1290
01:11:55.369 --> 01:11:56.090
pieces about it?
1291
01:11:56.149 --> 01:11:57.090
I said, I'll try.
1292
01:11:57.109 --> 01:12:00.449
But there was just so much going on. I couldn't
1293
01:12:00.510 --> 01:12:04.350
keep my hands around it. It was like sand going
1294
01:12:04.380 --> 01:12:06.760
through my hands. So I just said, I can't do
1295
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:10.760
this anymore. Besides that, today, I spent all day today.
1296
01:12:10.779 --> 01:12:14.779
I've got a ghost story I'm due to deliver in
1297
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:19.050
about two weeks to a compilation thing. I'm under contract
1298
01:12:19.350 --> 01:12:22.470
to write. I've got short stories. I'm writing for other people.
1299
01:12:23.270 --> 01:12:26.630
So contract later, it sounds like a lot of fun,
1300
01:12:26.930 --> 01:12:29.199
but you still have to punch a time clock. And
1301
01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:31.899
I'm technically retired, but I do it because I like it.
1302
01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:32.840
Fantastic.
1303
01:12:33.189 --> 01:12:34.810
But yeah, I got to come out of the closet
1304
01:12:34.829 --> 01:12:37.170
with UFOs. Now, what I didn't come out of the
1305
01:12:37.189 --> 01:12:41.550
closet for the first seven or eight years, yes, I'm
1306
01:12:41.569 --> 01:12:50.220
an experiencer. My earliest recollection of being touched by those, sorry,
1307
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:53.180
was about five or six years old.
1308
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:54.000
Okay.
1309
01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:54.140
Okay.
1310
01:12:55.100 --> 01:12:57.850
And mom used to take 20 minutes to put you
1311
01:12:57.869 --> 01:12:59.829
in one of those little bed suit kind of things
1312
01:12:59.869 --> 01:13:01.909
with the little feet thingies and all that kind of thing.
1313
01:13:02.069 --> 01:13:03.949
Took 20 minutes to get you into it and maybe
1314
01:13:03.970 --> 01:13:05.949
another 10 minutes to get you out of it. And
1315
01:13:05.970 --> 01:13:07.890
they used to find me once in a while, they
1316
01:13:07.909 --> 01:13:13.989
would find me sleeping in bed without my suit. Okay.
1317
01:13:14.069 --> 01:13:17.279
Had an incident when I was 14. Don't want to
1318
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:20.680
talk about it. I'll tell you one thing. I'll tell
1319
01:13:20.699 --> 01:13:24.750
you one thing. I don't want anything I don't ever
1320
01:13:24.829 --> 01:13:30.020
want to see something on like 23andMe or Ancestry.com come
1321
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.859
up with the alleles and say, I'm somebody's daddy. Because
1322
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:36.300
if it does, that person's a hybrid.
1323
01:13:38.420 --> 01:13:42.960
Okay. I completely understand that. I had an interview with
1324
01:13:43.180 --> 01:13:47.439
an experiencer, an abductee, and he talked about holding a baby,
1325
01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:53.149
that it was implied that you're the father. Um, and
1326
01:13:53.170 --> 01:13:56.550
then I'm having an, I interviewed three women. They got
1327
01:13:56.590 --> 01:14:00.300
to hold their hybrid kids. I'm going to be interviewing. Well, uh,
1328
01:14:00.739 --> 01:14:03.479
her name is Karen and she's going to be coming on. Um,
1329
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.300
and she just finished writing a book, uh, about this
1330
01:14:06.380 --> 01:14:09.260
as well. I, her, her last name is just escaping
1331
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:11.550
me right now, but it's the same thing as well.
1332
01:14:11.689 --> 01:14:14.170
It like, there are so many similarities. And then I
1333
01:14:14.210 --> 01:14:18.449
have a friend of mine. Um, and she, she's been scarred,
1334
01:14:18.470 --> 01:14:21.850
you know, by, by these abductions as well. Um, And
1335
01:14:22.149 --> 01:14:24.590
I've done an interview with her. We're going to continue
1336
01:14:24.609 --> 01:14:27.029
doing these interviews because we've only just scratched the surface.
1337
01:14:27.149 --> 01:14:28.670
And this is very therapeutic.
1338
01:14:29.149 --> 01:14:32.029
When Linda and I were recording, it was starting to
1339
01:14:32.050 --> 01:14:35.409
get serious. This is 20 years ago. One Saturday morning,
1340
01:14:35.449 --> 01:14:38.010
I'm here to breakfast. We sat down over coffee and breakfast.
1341
01:14:38.029 --> 01:14:39.510
And I said, I got to tell you something. If
1342
01:14:39.550 --> 01:14:42.449
this goes any further, you got to know this. I said,
1343
01:14:43.250 --> 01:14:45.670
those guys have been touching me for a long time.
1344
01:14:45.689 --> 01:14:49.180
So why? if you're around me all the time, you're
1345
01:14:49.189 --> 01:14:51.720
going to find me getting up out of bed sometimes
1346
01:14:51.779 --> 01:14:52.399
black and blue.
1347
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:58.920
Okay. And, uh, they haven't let up. And here we are.
1348
01:14:59.020 --> 01:15:03.239
I'm at that point. I'm in my late forties, early fifties.
1349
01:15:04.430 --> 01:15:08.609
And she just said, okay. I said, what do you mean? Okay.
1350
01:15:09.109 --> 01:15:11.850
She'd been a member of the international Freudian society for
1351
01:15:11.869 --> 01:15:16.460
since the early eighties. She knew she, she, You pick
1352
01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:21.949
somebody famous from the UFO community, Stanton Friedman, John Keel,
1353
01:15:22.590 --> 01:15:25.689
all these kinds of guys. I met all those guys.
1354
01:15:26.430 --> 01:15:32.789
She was cool. But they don't let you go. And
1355
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:36.779
I don't see it as a negative experience like I
1356
01:15:36.859 --> 01:15:44.020
used to. And I even thought when I changed genders...
1357
01:15:44.340 --> 01:15:46.720
All the things, I figured they won't bother me anymore.
1358
01:15:49.739 --> 01:15:52.600
They're here like clockwork. They play with all the new
1359
01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:53.859
electronics in the place.
1360
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:54.579
We come out in the.
1361
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.619
Morning and things have moved all over the apartment. Things
1362
01:15:57.699 --> 01:16:00.239
go away. Don't come back for a month. Next thing
1363
01:16:00.260 --> 01:16:02.239
you know, you come back out there and sitting on
1364
01:16:02.260 --> 01:16:04.699
the kitchen table for you. You know, I mean, and
1365
01:16:04.739 --> 01:16:08.000
this is, I talked to Lynn Thompson and a couple
1366
01:16:08.020 --> 01:16:11.560
other people. Hey, hijinks in the night, you know, so.
1367
01:16:12.069 --> 01:16:14.810
there are certain people they, they, they have just decided
1368
01:16:14.850 --> 01:16:17.970
they like, and they're just, they just keep studying you.
1369
01:16:18.550 --> 01:16:19.810
So that's all I can say.
1370
01:16:20.489 --> 01:16:23.079
Wow. Cheryl, I, I really want to say thank you
1371
01:16:23.100 --> 01:16:25.779
for your time. And that's a whole other topic. Like
1372
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:30.000
I would have, you know, maybe time for another one.
1373
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.800
We can talk that topic matter. Invite me back. I'm
1374
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:36.699
a heart, a card carrying a queen priestess. I'm a
1375
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:40.109
priestess of, of a set. Uh, I, I lived all
1376
01:16:40.149 --> 01:16:44.100
the time in the, uh, in the, um, Buddhist monasteries. Uh, Oh,
1377
01:16:44.380 --> 01:16:46.460
I got you a full stories from the Buddhist monasteries
1378
01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:47.779
from the other monks and things.
1379
01:16:48.020 --> 01:16:49.300
So I mean, I've got some cool.
1380
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:51.659
Stories from just the mystical side of my life. Had
1381
01:16:51.699 --> 01:16:53.539
me back to talk about mystical stuff.
1382
01:16:54.140 --> 01:16:56.859
Cheryl, you've been, you, you have some great energy too
1383
01:16:56.939 --> 01:16:59.149
with you. You know, I like your, your, your high
1384
01:16:59.189 --> 01:17:02.729
vibe and energy as well. And, and fantastic. Uh, you know,
1385
01:17:02.829 --> 01:17:05.649
the research you've done is, is, you know, it's going
1386
01:17:05.710 --> 01:17:08.760
to benefit everyone. And so, Tell our listeners and our
1387
01:17:08.779 --> 01:17:10.960
viewers one last time where they can find you. Go
1388
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:11.779
to Amazon.
1389
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:17.319
Go to Amazon, put Costa, C-O-S-T-A, space UFO, and you
1390
01:17:17.340 --> 01:17:20.560
will get hit, slammed with all of our books. If
1391
01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.960
you want to read something other than the UFO books
1392
01:17:22.979 --> 01:17:26.420
that Linda and I published, just put Cheryl Costa, and
1393
01:17:26.460 --> 01:17:30.079
you will get some of my short stories, a couple
1394
01:17:30.100 --> 01:17:34.579
of my published and produced plays. There's a bunch of
1395
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:36.550
other stuff we put up there. And if you happen
1396
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:41.420
to be a witch... The number one selling book in
1397
01:17:41.420 --> 01:17:45.319
2023 was my book, Magical Musings of a Rogue Witch.
1398
01:17:45.930 --> 01:17:52.029
Magical Musings of a Rogue Witch. Okay? You have a plethora.
1399
01:17:52.050 --> 01:17:55.909
You just have this library of books that you have written,
1400
01:17:55.949 --> 01:17:56.250
you know?
1401
01:17:56.770 --> 01:17:57.109
Wow.
1402
01:17:58.609 --> 01:18:02.090
So right now, it's a total of 53.
1403
01:18:02.090 --> 01:18:06.079
We published it when the newspaper went under.
1404
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:07.100
Circus New Times.
1405
01:18:07.649 --> 01:18:10.760
I was always a subcontractor, so I owned all the articles.
1406
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:13.359
So the publisher let me come in and take the
1407
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:18.659
final edited versions off the server. And we have a
1408
01:18:18.699 --> 01:18:22.649
book out there called The UFO Beat.
1409
01:18:23.550 --> 01:18:26.529
That was my beat, The UFO Beat. The UFO Beat.
1410
01:18:26.789 --> 01:18:30.449
And we published all the articles in there.
1411
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:33.899
So that's got less numbers and there's more stories and
1412
01:18:33.939 --> 01:18:35.609
things like that, but it's a lot of fun. So
1413
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:39.859
we've got a total of 53 books on UFOs.
1414
01:18:39.460 --> 01:18:44.859
Up on Amazon, and some of them are selling like hotcakes. Awesome.
1415
01:18:45.590 --> 01:18:47.670
I wish you all the success in the future, and
1416
01:18:47.710 --> 01:18:50.479
I definitely want to have you back again, Sheryl. So
1417
01:18:50.500 --> 01:18:52.220
we're going to say goodbye here right now for you
1418
01:18:52.260 --> 01:18:53.239
and then I'm just going to do a little bit
1419
01:18:53.260 --> 01:18:54.779
of an outro. Okay.
1420
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:55.659
Dasvidaniya.
1421
01:18:56.180 --> 01:18:59.189
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. All right, everyone.
1422
01:18:59.289 --> 01:19:01.130
That was Cheryl Costa. I want to thank her for
1423
01:19:01.170 --> 01:19:05.810
coming out and actually providing us with a ton of material,
1424
01:19:06.310 --> 01:19:10.380
ton of statistics, You know, it's all there for you
1425
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:11.890
to look through. And if you want to go look
1426
01:19:11.899 --> 01:19:14.699
through it, of course, go check all her books out
1427
01:19:14.810 --> 01:19:18.529
on Amazon. I guess it depends on which state you're in,
1428
01:19:18.569 --> 01:19:23.029
which state you want to grab. Extremely intriguing. Now, I
1429
01:19:23.050 --> 01:19:24.670
wonder if we put that all together, if there were
1430
01:19:24.710 --> 01:19:27.250
some other patterns in there. You know, maybe we could
1431
01:19:27.689 --> 01:19:30.470
throw it into Cloud AI or something like that, and
1432
01:19:30.510 --> 01:19:33.609
it could go through. Maybe we could find some hidden patterns.
1433
01:19:34.729 --> 01:19:38.640
But nonetheless... Cheryl has done a ton of work and
1434
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:42.460
a huge service to us all by putting this together. Now,
1435
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:48.350
maybe perhaps you guys have had any experiences, any abductions,
1436
01:19:48.779 --> 01:19:51.930
any sightings. And if you have, send me an email,
1437
01:19:52.470 --> 01:19:58.430
codexofcuriosities at gmail.com. But until then, keep your curiosity wandering,
1438
01:19:58.989 --> 01:20:02.649
keep the light lit, and always find your way home.
1439
01:20:13.930 --> 01:20:20.390
Beneath the stars where shadows grow The Nephilim's echoes whisper
1440
01:20:20.449 --> 01:20:25.590
low Bigfoot roams through the forest deep.
1441
01:20:27.090 --> 01:20:29.909
And Dogman prowls where the brave won't sleep.
1442
01:20:31.470 --> 01:20:37.010
Across lost history we wander wide Seeking the truth that
1443
01:20:37.090 --> 01:20:39.489
time tried to hide.
1444
01:20:40.090 --> 01:20:42.630
Keep your curiosities wandering in the light lit.
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Through the darkness, don't ever quit. In the codex, the
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mystery's coming. Always find your way back home. UFOs streak
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through the velvet skies. Aliens watch with unblinking eyes. The
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paranormal homes where silence breaks.
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In the void of secrets, a lantern wakes.
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Through hidden realms of stories untold. The cold gas flame
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is the light to hold. Keep your curiosities wandering in
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the light lit. Through the darkness, don't ever quit. In
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the codex, the mysteries come and always find your way back.
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01:21:41.569 --> 01:21:47.739
UFOs streak through the velvet skies Aliens watch with unblinking
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eyes The paranormal homes where silence breaks In the void
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of secrets a lantern wakes Through hidden realms and stories
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untold The Kogast flame is a light to hold.
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Keep your curiosities wandering in the light lit. Through the darkness,
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don't ever quit.
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In the codex, the mystery's coming. Always find your way
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back home.
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Legends rise from the Earth's deep core.
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A lost legacy.
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We can't ignore. With every step, the veil grows thin.
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Revealing worlds where the strange begins Keep your curiosities wandering
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in the light lit Through the darkness, don't ever quit
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In the codex, the mysteries come And always find your
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way back home Some giant script is the call Aliens'
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histories will uncover it all With why the codec out,
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we'll never be alone Together we'll always find our way
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home Bye.