Why Smart People Join Political Cults | Keri Smith on Wokeness and Conspiracies

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Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.
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Very excited today to have the host of D Programmed
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with Carrie Smith with us. She is a former self
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described former social justice warrior. We have been mutual follows
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on x for like forever now, and of course we
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share a lot of the same concerns about the cult
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of Candace Owens, which we'll get to her in a minute.
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But first we want to know because one of the
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reasons that we were super interested in having you on
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is just your own experience dprogramming from wokeness, So we
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want to hear about that, and then we'll get into
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some of the current cults that need deprogramming.
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So tell us your story first. Yes, well, first of all,
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thank you for having me on. Ladies, have I just
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wanted to say this new media landscape has been changing.
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I'm sure you guys have noticed in the past year.
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Everybody's looking for new shows. People have sworn off shows
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they used to watch, like I can't watch Megan anymore
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Jane personally, and so your show is the number one
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show that everyone I know is talking about. I'm very
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excited to be here.
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It only took us seventeen years great, Thank you, Carrie.
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Yeah, my story is it's a long story the short
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and I've told it several times. If people want the
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long version, the trigonometry episode's probably good, but the short
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version is. I started waking up around the same time that,
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like maybe the first wave of people did in twenty sixteen.
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For me personally, it was I didn't know other people
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were going through this. I didn't realize I was in
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a cult I had. I thought I was just in liberalism,
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ladies and yeah. I picked up in college and I
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took it into my career. I worked in entertainment and
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I managed comedians. I produced television shows with those comedians.
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I produced a late night show called Totally Biased that
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was totally woke. It was the first woke late night show.
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I really thought like I was one of the true believers.
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Like I thought, this is we're ending racism and sexism
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with comedy, Like we're fighting all this oppression, all these isms.
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Everything I had learned in college, I was putting it
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to use to change the world kind of idea. And
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so I understand a lot of young people who get
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pulled into it through that sort of idealistic lens, like
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it preys on people's empathy. And sometimes I talk to
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parents who are who tried to tell me, they're like,
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my kid got pulled into this, and she's saying all
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these horrible things now you know, and calls me a
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white supremacist and all this stuff. But she's got such
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a good heart. And I'm like, I know, I know.
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They prey on people with good hearts and it changes them.
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And so so yeah, I was in it twenty years wow,
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and I pushed it now all all facets of my life,
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my work, and then and then twenty sixteen, it was
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seeing the violence around that election season that really started
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to shake me and wake me up. A lot of
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a lot of it was an emotional change for me. First,
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it hit me emotionally before I started. You could have
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given me all the facts in the world. I would
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have stayed in that cult forever. But seeing something that
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emotionally affected me is what started to change me. Slowly,
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it was a slow process. So so that's kind of
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when I talk to people who have family and friends
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who are in it, it's always like sometimes people want
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like this easy answer of like what book did you read? What? Uh? Podcasts?
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Can I send them? And I can make suggestions for
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those things, but there's no key. There's not like an
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easy key of like this is good to wake up
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your loved one, and they're going to stop, you know,
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calling you a tool of the patriarchy. So were you
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you were you were at Duke? Right? Is that what
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was at Duke?
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Yeah?
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So were you? Were you liberal before?
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I know you saying that they kind of are the
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ones that well, the just being an undergraduate being in
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school will change. And we've heard that from a lot
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of parents, Like we get a lot of emails from
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a lot of parents. But were you leaning liberal before
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you went at all? Or were you just apolitical? You
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weren't even thinking about politics really at that point.
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No. I actually was raised in a Southern Baptist, a
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small town southern community.
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I was.
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I'm from South Carolina and I there were certain things
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that happened in my childhood. I will say this. You
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know how the Bible talks about you know, Jesus says
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the Millstone verse, like if you lead these little ones astray,
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it would be better for you that a millstone were
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tired around your ankle and you were thrown into the
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sea than what it waits for you, and it's like,
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that's like the worst thing you can do is lead
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people astray when they're looking for Christ, when they're looking
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for the Way, the truth, and the life. And so
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this is why it's so important for Christians to be
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faithful witnesses, and why the false shepherds like Candice Owens,
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people who falsely claim the name of Christ make me
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so angry because when you said, a bad example for
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a child of what Christianity is, and then they run
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from Christ because of that, because of what you did,
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because of what you because of your bad witness or
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your lies, or your hypocritical witness for God. So I
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had certain things in my childhood that kind of set
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me on this path of opposition towards Christ, towards God,
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towards Republicanism, towards anything about where I came from. And
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and so I was ripe for the pickin when I
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got to college. And now I look back on it,
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you know, with the benefit of time, and hopefully hopefully
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I'm more wise than I was then. But you look
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back on with the benefit of time and you're like, oh,
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I you know what people say about woke being a religion,
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it really is like I've I fell into that that
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religion because now there was suddenly a whole, there was
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a gap, there was something, There was no foundation. When
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I got into college, I was foundation free. I was
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looking for a god right and it was woke. Was
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that God? I just didn't recognize it as such. I
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didn't recognize it as a faith until much later.
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So what, I'm so curious because you're talking about the
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violence excuse me of twenty sixteen that sort.
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Of woke you up.
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But like, so, is there hope for people who, for example,
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saw what happened to Charlie Kirk and got even crazier, Like,
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they're even more horrible. They've lost all sense of humanity.
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They mock that day, they say horrible things about how
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he deserved it, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, can
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that level of a loss of humanity be turned around
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or are they just like lost causes.
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That's a great question, and I struggled with that question myself.
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I'll just be honest. I think anybody can be turned around.
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I do, but let me after that happened, I saw
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people go both directions, as I'm sure you did. I
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saw some people start to wake up. I saw people
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who just like me were the I'm like the unlikeliest
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person who would ever come to Christ. Like when I
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was in college, I became such a hateful, spiteful through
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this woke religion. Over time, I was so disfigured.
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I was.
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I just never could have imagined that I was. I
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was spiteful. I was bigoted towards Christians. I would send
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at Christmas. I would send my Christian aunt Christmas cards
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that mocked Christ like, who does that?
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Wow?
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Do you know what I mean? Like that was fitful
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like and so I just never the younger me would
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be just like cringing that I became a Christian. Hopefully
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the younger me, though, could see like, wow, she's got
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this joy though that I don't have, Like what is that?
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You know? Yeah? But so I say, this is like
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anybody can change. And I saw people who after Charlie
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was murdered like that affected them to such a degree.
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I have friends who started going in church for the
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first time. I have a friend who came to Christ
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who got a first Bible, is going to church faithfully,
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who talks to me about we do zooms about God.
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I have I know strangers online, so I know people who,
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through that act of evil, like God used it for good,
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like that verse in Genesis, like you intended to harm me,
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but God intended it for good. I know people who
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it worked for their good, right, But then I know
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the opposite. Yeah, one of the one of the parents
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I've talked to since in the past year, since that happened,
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for the first time, going through what many people have
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gone through for years. You know, her forty something year
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old son cut her off. It pushed him further into
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the cult. He suddenly started posting all this stuff about
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Charlie Kirk is evil and racist, and he was buying it.
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He probably had never heard of Charlie Kirk until then,
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but then all of a sudden, he's hearing all the
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wrong things, right, all these lies, believes them, of course,
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and then he starts posting stuff about, you know, I'm
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gonna have to cut off all of my Trump voting
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family members and anybody who likes Charlie Kirk, and then
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you know, insulting, posting private texts from the family where
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they're trying to figure out. These are elderly parents, right
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who are trying to figure out, like what's happening, Like
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I love you, what we can disagree about politics, and
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just like filth coming out of this person's mouth and
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then you know, cutting her off after after being in
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you know, having what seemed like a good relationship for
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so many years, you know, faithfully checking in with each
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other weekly, that kind of thing, and then just to
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have nothing and to go to just to go to
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just profanity and vulgarities. And so I've talked to someone
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who's like newly freshly dealing with that and trying to
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understand what's happened to my child, my adult child, like yeah,
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and so yeah, it can go both directions, and that
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kind of person. Yeah, I say pray for them still.
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My aunt pray for me for twenty years and she
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has told me and my grandma prayed for me too.
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My grandma died before I came to I was still
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in the cult when my grandma died. But my aunt
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I said something about this once on social media. It
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was like, and I bet my grandma. I bet my
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grandma and my aunt there were times where they thought
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it wasn't working. And my aunt swers over the comments,
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is like you're damn right, like you know, like, yeah,
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there are many times you're stubborn.
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It's like it's I guess it's like what I'm hearing
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is that there's like and I want to give people
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the benefit that there are times where I'm like, I
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just want to divorce. I just want to I want
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to be disconnected from these people. But I know, as
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a Christian, I I am supposed to pray for these people.
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I'm supposed to hold out hope that maybe because but
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TDS is a hell of a drug. And I think
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a lot of people who are hurting they think, Okay,
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well I'm hurting, so I got to blame somebody for
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this hurt or this hole. That's it's kind of like,
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you know, I have a daughter sixteen, and you know,
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when girls are mean, I always say, it's it's not
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a reflection of you, honey, It's a reflection of what's
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going on in there heart. And they're trying to feel
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something or they're trying to lash out and blame other
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people for the fact that they're just not whole yet,
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you know. And I think a lot of these people
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are They're just hurting and they want to blame somebody
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for it, you know.
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They want to have control. They feel like I think
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it's like very much a you know, that sort of
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thing about wanting to be God, where it's like I
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want to be able to have even the woke right
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stuff and the conspiracy stuff on the right and all
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of this crazy web of it seems so obvious, like
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how could you fall for any of this crapwing totally,
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But you know what it gives people in an uncertain world.
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Look COVID, all the lies that they told us. It
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pulled the carpet out from a lot of people who
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still had, like, for whatever reason, like a very strong
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trust or faith in the government and the media. And
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so those people, a lot of those people, I think
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they're just looking for something to cling on to again.
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And so if there's this evil person taking advantage of
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that and is like here's the good guys, here's the
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bad guys. Some of it, some of it is so convoluted, insane,
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but it's very simple. It's like Israel bad guy, Trump
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bad guy, you know, like America bad guy, and you're like, okay,
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I got I'm great. Now I've got my bad guys,
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I got my marching orders. Like everything makes sense. There's
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a pat answer for everything. Well, and I think one
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of this.
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One of the things that Candice does really well is
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that she convinces people that that the right and the
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left are the same and that it's hopeless, like the
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whole government apparatus is completely whacked out, and like there
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is everybody is essentially deep stated, and there's no one
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that you can trust and so automatically, yeah, exactly, And
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she's so good at making people feel like they're in
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this this club, the secret schedule club.
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And then when you.
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Have no one in government, when you're made to believe
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that you cannot trust anything or anyone, then you do
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feel completely black pilled and doomed out and there's no
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hope in you know, being a productive citizen who goes
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out and vote and changes changes outcomes with elections, because
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you think the whole system is rigged. And so of
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course people are going to be like, well, I mean,
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she speaking my language and she understands me, you know
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what I mean. I can see, yes, we can see
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the tactics and the strategy behind it. But it's so
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mind boggling to me that people who are in it
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or just getting in it, like all these crazy wine
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moms who think that they're like part of the investigation
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are doing the slew thing.
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How do they not see how.
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Obvious it is that they're being played. I just it
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baffles me.
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I think it only works if you're I mean, you
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have to be without foundation, because it's like me, when
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I went to college, I was foundationless And that's why
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WOTE worked on me, because I was looking for a god.
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I was looking for certainty. I was looking and I
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picked something that was shifting sands. But I picked it.
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I thought it was solid. This explains the whole world, right,
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Like Woke left, it was like, oh, it's pretty simple again.
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It gives you that sense of control. It's like they're
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good guys and bad guys. They're called oppressors and the oppressed. Yes,
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And you can determine who people are based on their
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identity groups. Aha, you know, like and you have different
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degrees of being good and being bad based on your
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identity groups. And we just need to like take power
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from some of these groups and give it to these
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other identity groups and then everything will be equal and
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will be in utopia. And I need to go out
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and be a missionary for this and explain it to people.
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And they take advantage of young people who are able
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to articulate what is unintelligible, like they'd kind of it's
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like your your job becomes like trying to explain this
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thing that doesn't make sense, Like racism is prejudice plus power,
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therefore it's impossible will be you know, racist towards a
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white person, like all those things that you come up with,
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these circular definitions and stuff, and it's your job to
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go and make it make sense. Yeah, that's the truth.
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That's the same with Canda. She spouts all this crap
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and then the people who are they have a lack
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of found I know a lot of them. I've interacted
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with them. When she featured me on her podcast, there
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were thousands of them who sought me out. That's why
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I know they're not all bots, because she's not like
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she linked my Facebook. They've been found my Facebook. All
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these women with like christ Is King in their bios,
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they think they're Christians. They're not.
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Yeah, there's some of the worst people around, but they're
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so wrong. They're wrong of what they're doing. But I
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think that maybe and maybe I'm just gullible and like
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a little bit, and I think some of these people
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probably know that this is a grift.
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But now they're so.
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In it that they don't they don't want to admit
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how freaking unbelievably wrong they are, So I would there's
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probably at least a couple handfuls, if not, you know,
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a lot more where they're just like, nope, I got
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a double, triple and quadruple down on this because you know,
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like when you deprogrammed, how that must have been challenging
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because you're basically like, I've been wrong all this time,
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I've been hoodwinked, Like, how how did you get out
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of it?
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How do you how do you get out of that? Well?
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I had a soul crushing midlife crisis and got a divorce. Okay,
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so you got to do that. I'm kidding.
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I lost.
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Yeah, actually it is. I'd kind of joke about that,
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but it is true that a lot of the people
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I've talked to who left the left and like actually
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left it. You know, at a certain point we started
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succeeding in the culture ward to such a degree that
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it became a griff to say that you left the left,
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like it was like a career move. Like, No, at
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the beginning, when people were leaving it, it was like you
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were actually losing everything, like I lost my career, my
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social circle, my friends, like all of it. Like you
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had to be willing to sacrifice all that plus your
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sense of identity. Yeah, who you thought? That's hard, that's
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hard hard, And so it's like and so I joke
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about it, but actually the people I talked to who've
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gone through the same thing, like I have a friend
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you lady should talk to at some point Josh slocom
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who is a gay, uh, just a cerbic wit, just
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very funny, skeptical guy who was in the woke left
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who also woke up and left it, and we have
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he has a similar Like it was almost like we
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had to hit a personal crisis first, because it's such
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a like you're saying it's sunk in costs, like you've
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sunk so much cost into it that you don't want
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to admit you're wrong or you can't. Your identities wrapped
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up in at your careers, wrapped up in at your family,
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your friends, whatever. It's sort of like the de transitioners,
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they've put so much into transitioning this my identity and
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that's who I am and whatever, and everybody's brought into it,
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and everyone's praising me and then to come out of
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that and realize you were conned and you conned yourself,
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Like that's so hard to do and you almost have
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to hit a rock bottom. And so I really had
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hit a rock bottom in all ask like every aspect
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of my life.
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And did that come before then you saw the twenty
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sixteen violence that kind of opened your eyes or was
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it all kind of happening at the same time?
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For me, it was happening at the same time. I
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was going through a separation. My ex husband and I
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were trying to say if we're going to stay married.
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I was an active alcoholic. I had not yet gotten
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sober or grappled with that. And and then my and see,
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here's the thing. When you go through difficult times, this
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is how this is how you know the woke religion
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is false. There's nothing there for you. There's nothing there
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for you to hold you, to put you on a
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high rock and protect you the way God does. You know,
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like there's nothing there for you. And you're like, wait
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a minute, this is a religion and it has all
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these different rituals and you've got this sort of this
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perverted concept of sin that that's that's called privilege, and
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you've got these different things that it's borrowed and mutated
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and perverted from Christianity. But there's no creator, there's no
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loving creator. There's nothing diff for you, and there's no
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wisdom about how to live your life when you have
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difficulties like in your marriage or career with family or
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what have you, or when you're questioning your beliefs, like
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there's nothing there. And so I was like stripped bare
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of everything. And that's when I saw. I was watching
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these videos coming out of the election season, people attacking
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Trump supporters like violently, like throwing things, eggs, a this
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one woman bricks, bloodying people chasing them down outside of rallies.
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And I also saw the sniper at the BLM rally
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in Dallas who killed all those people. And the way
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that my echo chamber responded to it, my woke world
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was just like with the Charlie Kirk thing, kind of
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like celebrating. It wasn't as bad as it's gotten now,
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but it was pretty bad. They were like tongue in
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cheek like celebrating.
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And the Meetia.
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It doesn't help me. Yeah, I feel like it's kind
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of complicit with the with the Left and wokeism and
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all that stuff because they sort of encourage and enable
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it all the time.
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Do you feel like there's Do you feel like there's
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a connection, because I think that we kind of do see.
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That there is.
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Always It's like, as soon as you find a Candace
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cult member, you're also looking at an Israel hater, Like
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these things go hand in hand, you can, and it's
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a prediction if somebody is anti Jewish or anti Israel,
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they almost certainly believe in the nonsense that she spews.
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What is that? What is that? That's how I feel like,
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I think anyway, that's one of the hallmarks of like
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how you can tell that it's sort of a cult
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faith because you're buying everything part and parcel, like with
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Woke Left. So for example, if I know someone who
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if I find out that you believe that men can
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become women, then I also pretty much know what you
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think about systemic oppression totally. Or you know, like it's
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sort of those things go part and parcel, you're buying
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in for the whole package. Yeah, yep, And I think
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it's similar. Yeah with the Candace stuff.
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That's just it's such a weird marrying of two seemingly
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unrelated things, you know what I mean, like the murder
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of Charlie Kirk, hating a tiny country in the Middle East,
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Like why did these things become so connected? But they
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are because you can see it. I'm sure you've you've
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you've experienced the same thing whenever you post anything on
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x for example, about Candace and her crazy cult, following
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the responses that you get are all you were paid
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seven thousand for this post. Yeah, we're saying about like
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Israel stuff, not Candace stuff. And then you realize these
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are the same freaky people.
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Yeah, the same freaky people, and they you know, for
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the first year or so that was happening to me,
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I'd like you, Daisy, I was like, what are you
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talking about? I'm like, I don't I didn't say anything
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about it. I don't have anything to say about I
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don't know enough about it, Like I almost did, never
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post about Israel. I don't have thoughts about it. Now
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I've started to develop some thoughts based on how I've
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been treated the past couple of years, and I'm like, well,
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it seems like all the crazy people think this thing. Yeah,
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and so what be with the crazy people? I mean,
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they're having the opposite effect on the right and so,
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but I don't have thoughts about it, and so at
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first it was like really shocking to me. Or I'd
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be like, I'm not making do you think I'm paying now?
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I just find it funny, or I just lean into
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it on Facebook and stuff, they like, Oh, I see
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you made seven thousand dollars. I'm like, I sure did
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cha ching And I made thirty five hundred from your
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comment you like, because if you're that stuff, you deserve
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to be totally. Yeah, we do our share of that.
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I'm curious.
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So do you do you think that Candice and Tucker
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and all these you know, people who have become giant disappointments.
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Do you think they believe what they spew or do
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you think it is just a total grift and they're
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just counning people and they're doing it because they're making
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crap tons of money.
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What do you think? Well, Candace, I think is a
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malignant narcissist. I think she's clustered, me psychopath. It doesn't matter.
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They're all talking about the same thing. It doesn't matter
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if you call it dark triad. In my opinion, dark triad,
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malignant narciss is all the same, lack of empathy, grandiosity,
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a willingness to do anything, like, no sense of shame.
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There's it's the Macavelian nature of it, where it's like
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by any means necessary, like she will do anything. She
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will lie about anything, it doesn't matter if you've got
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video evidence right there to disprove her. If she will
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lie about what she said yesterday when you got the
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video like that, if you.
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Cross her, she wants to destroy you, which was also sociopathic.
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Yes, And I've come across this type before, unfortunately, And
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I don't think I think they know. I think she
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knows what she is, really knows she is a monster.
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I do. I don't think she believes her own crap.
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She knows she's lying, and she takes lee in it.
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You understand, because it's like we don't understand. If you don't,
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A normal person can't wrap their head around that because
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you're not a sadist. I do. That's the thing.
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I get that she wants attention, but like that she
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knows this about herself is almost unthinkable to me, Like
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I cannot process how somebody can be that intentionally cruel
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and psychotic.
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I just cannot.
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But I think she continues to do it though, because
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of all the fans and because of the people who
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tell you're so great, am.
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I going you are queen? You're our queen?
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Yeah, exactly, And so I agree with you, though Carrie,
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I don't. I think it's a huge grift.
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I really do. And she's just that bad crap. She's
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that what reportedly Eric has said in private, Like who
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even knows that? But everybody's freaking about Oh my goodness,
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she said this in private. She's a soul a school.
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She is a soul of school. That is how I
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view them. Yeah, And so I don't someone like her
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like it's she doesn't believe anything. People will say, Oh
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I think she really you know, she's lying about being conservative,
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she's really a leftist, or she's lying about this. It
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doesn't matter. She's nothing. This woman is a nihilist. The
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only thing she believes in is herself. Like there's nothing.
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She will say this one day and this one day
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and this one. It's all a tactic. It's the left
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is is is very cluster b in a lot of ways,
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like they're sort of they'll say, like the way in
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which they manipulate words, you know how they'll change. They'll
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say this, they'll push this argument if it wins, like
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they'll push uh. They'll pretend like they care about bodily
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autonomy if it if it helps them with the abortion thing.
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They'll say like, my body, my choice, and you can't
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give the government the right to control your body. And
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they and they make you think that they really believe it,
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and you're like, oh, I understand bodily autonomy, Okay, I can.
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And then you know, COVID comes and they're like, you
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better take that. I thought you didn't. So it doesn't
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Words don't mean things to them. They're just tools to
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control and manipulate. And that's what Candas is. Like she
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could say anything today, anything tomorrow, and I think trying
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to figure out what does she really believe is a
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fool's errand because she doesn't believe anything except in herself. Yes,
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like agree, so agree?
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Switching gears real quick? What do you make of the
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Tate Brothers arrest.
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God Bless Florida? Right?
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It's so crazy to me to watch like the PbD podcast,
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guys all mad about it. They're all defending the tapes
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and this is like, you know, I don't know. This
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is government overreach and we shouldn't be extraditing them and
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all this nutsense. And I'm just like, why why would
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you want to defend ever these scumbags. I will never
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understand it, but it makes sense.
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Is friends with them, So of course Das is close
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personal friends with a lot of people who've been charged
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with rape or I'm sorry, I don't know if you
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can say that word, edit it if you can't, but
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who've been charged with these crimes. And you know her
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funder scientologists, funder John Mappin has Epstein like he actually
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is Epstein ties he's in Epstein's Little Black Book. Like
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there's all these different weird connections like that. Look with PbD,
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I've always gotten a bad GT read on him. That's
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just me. I don't know sometimes and I try to
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listen to my gut more. I just then somebody told
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me about his past financial whatever, and I'm like, okay,
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Like some people are in some people are giving commentary
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just to like build a brand, just to just to
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build a brand, not that you shouldn't have ambitions or
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want to have like a successful channel, and what you
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do you want it to be successful? Yes? You want
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people to hear if you have opinions, obviously you want
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them to hear it. But when it becomes like that's
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just the goal is just to have a successful show,
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and that's the number one goal. I just I don't know,
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I just get that sense from him.
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Yeah, there's a lot of no, I mean, there's a
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lot of people that are like that, caring. Yeah, people,
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we've seen it over the past two decades. It's pretty remarkable.
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It is, and it just and even people I think
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you have good intentions over time can be corrupted by it.
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I mean, it corrupts and so who knows, but I don't.
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I don't. There's also there's this like libertarian whole that
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a lot of people fall into where they think something
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is about like uh, like you said, what did what
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did you say? Mock that people were saying this is
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an abuse government overreach, yes, you know, and those people
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sometimes I try to have conversations with them and understand
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what they like think about. And a lot of them
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believe there should be no laws. Like a lot of
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them are like I'm and cap now, I'm like what
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does that mean? Like we don't need any government or
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any laws. And people will naturally learn to self government it.
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Oh, yeah, that would work out great.
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I just that's when I finally realized, no, I'm not
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I'm not liberty. For years after I left the wook Loft,
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people were telling me I would interview people and so
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they'd be like, oh, you're a libertarian, and I would.
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I went to a libertarian conference I was invited to
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my I'm like, okay, I can get with a lot
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of these ideas. I do have a lot of libertarian beliefs,
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but there was always something holding me back from saying
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I'm a libertarian. And I finally realized it's because they,
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I think, are they don't understand humans? Yes, like they
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don't understand human evil, even their own capacity for it.
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Right, Yeah, because there's a lot of like the whole
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atheist thing is very strong in that crowd. And it's like, yeah,
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I know, it's they don't win either. So you know,
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I keep going, you do you libertarians?
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Yeah, well, Carrie, let's they try to say, well, you
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said tates. I found it fascinating to see who was
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propping up the Tates and who wasn't, Like even Benny Johnson,
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I'll just say Benny Johnson had him on and was
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marketing him to It wasn't It wasn't an investigative journalist peace.
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It wasn't like some kind of like hard hitting It
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was you were trying to promote him to a Christian
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conservative audience. Why are you doing that? And then simultaneously
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talking about the Epstein files like one of these things
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doesn't mean.
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Yeah, plus, he's a Muslim, yeah Christian's his brother is Christian,
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but he's not, and he's like proud of that.
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So that whole you know that.
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The woke Reich is, you know, combined with Islam. It's
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that is so destructive. Just I don't understand how these
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people can't see it. And again that's why I think
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a lot of it is just a money grab.
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It's a grift. Some of them are paid. Yeah, yeah
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for sure.
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So Carrie, we so appreciate you coming on the show
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and talking about your own story and then also of
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course dishing with us about the Canda stuff, because man, that.
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Cul is Craig It is insane.
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So we love having you in the fight and knowing
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that you're out there on X kind of saying the
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same stuff. And I just feel like, unlike Benny and
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pasobic and others that were just like, why is TPUSA
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still friends.
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With these people?
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People who don't say anything in support of Erica, They
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don't criticize Candace at all. I don't get it.
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I don't get that relationship.
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But it's nice to know that you're out there and
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you're speaking out and we need more more folks doing that.
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Absolutely, thank you, Thank you for having me, ladies. It
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was so much fun. Canada. We'll do it again. I
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would love to talk to you again anytime. Absolutely, thank
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you so much