Mischa Barton: Life Before & After The OC

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What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father,
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Alex Cooper, with.
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Call Her Daddy.
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Misha Barton, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
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Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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I'm so happy we're finally doing this.
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I know.
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We've wanted to do this for so long, and our
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schedules have been shit, and we're finally here. We're on
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the couch. We're cozy.
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We're ready to go. We're doing it.
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So, Daddy Gang, we're currently in New York, which is
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where you grew up. And kind of like where you really,
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I feel like, got your start. Do you plan on
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staying here long term? Like, is New York it for you?
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I love New York. I mean, I just feel more
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at home here.
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I've actually, I mean, this last year, like since we
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first started talking, like I've been spending a lot of
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time in London and Europe again. But like, I get
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that kind of, those kind of vibes when I'm in
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New York and I get the culture and I, you know,
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I started in the theater. I love being able to
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like go to the theater all the time and, like
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hang out in the cute little bookshops. And I love
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like the village where I live. It's romantic and cute.
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It is.
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It's magical. I used to live here. And like, every
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time I come back, I'm like, yeah, you're an East
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coast girl, right? Pennsylvania. Yeah. You were born in London or?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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No, I was born in London and then we moved
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to New York when I was five and a half.
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So I actually had like a little British accent and
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the whole thing when I was a kid and had
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to lose it. I got teased mercilessly in school.
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Was that actually a good thing sometimes for like work?
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Would they be like, do a British accent and you
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could or do an American and you could?
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Yeah, I still do.
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I mean, I'm very grateful for it because when I
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went to like, they had to send me to a
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speech coach to like get a proper transatlantic accent.
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So be a valley girl, bitch.
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You're like, Oh God.
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Well, that was, that's really hard for, believe it or not,
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that's more complicated. It took living in LA for years
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to be able to understand what that even was. Cause
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I only moved to LA for the OC. So like,
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They were like, they would always be like, can you
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sound more like, you know, you're from the valley or
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more Orange County? And I was like, I don't actually like,
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I've never been to Orange County.
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I don't actually know what that is.
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You know, it's weird though, listening to you talk. You're
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so right. You have this like eloquent, tiny twang underneath.
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And it is clearly from that like English background. So
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you've got a great voice. Going back to the beginning,
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what were you like as a kid?
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Going back to the beginning, what were you like as
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a kid?
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I was pretty serious and very shy at first. So
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I was painfully shy and kind of awkward, I guess.
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Not very, but very serious.
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When we think of actors and actresses, I feel like
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people that can't relate are always like, oh my gosh,
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they're the most outgoing. And then I feel like every
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time I speak to an actor, they're like, No, I'm insecure.
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I was like trying to find my voice. So like
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acting helped. Like how did you then find yourself putting
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yourself in these situations?
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I got into it by I didn't want to do
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any of like the outdoor activities at camp. But so
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I wrote this like monologue. And then that was what
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you all had to perform something or show what you'd
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been doing all summer at camp. And so, like, my
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big sister had been, like, horseback riding and doing all
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this stuff, and I was just, like, sitting there writing.
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And I performed the monologue, and then, like, I guess
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someone's parent in the audience was an agent at a
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literary agency here in New York and was like, oh, well,
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she should definitely get into acting. And so, like, I
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tried it, and, yeah, the rest is history.
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When I think about child actors, I always am like, Okay.
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I can't imagine your social life in school, but was
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your experience like you were the cool kid in school
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or were you getting bullied or was you were just
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kind of like fitting in?
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I was always a bit like on the outside.
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I only had like one best friend and I was
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friends with a lot of the boys, but it was
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always like me and this girl, Laura Katzman. And like,
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it was just the two of us. And we were
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kind of like outsiders and like, we were considered a
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bit like, you know, yeah, gothic, a.
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Bit weird, a bit like off the beaten. So we
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weren't popular.
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No.
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Yeah.
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That definitely wasn't the case. And I got teased once
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the Sixth Sense and stuff came out and the kids
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realized that I was like, you know, in movies, then
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I got teased and I did not want to be homeschooled.
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They tried and I fought that tooth and nail. I
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just acted up until they sent me back to school.
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I just didn't want to be stuck at home with
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my And, like, taken away from, like, that social... Like,
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it was so important to me to, like, have some
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semblance of a normal kind of.
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I enjoyed school.
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Like, I really genuinely enjoyed learning. And, like, I didn't
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want to become that, like, weirdo kid who was isolated,
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who had no, like, social kind of interaction.
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Right.
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You're like, let me be, like, gothic with my one
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friend in the cafeteria, Mom. Like, let me live, okay?
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Yeah.
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That was important to me.
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So.
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After high school, you had plans to go to Yale.
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There was an early acceptance to the drama program, which
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I wanted to do.
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That's like a huge deal. And then you decided not
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to go.
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I got cast in the OC when I was, you know,
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it was right at that kind of pivotal moment where
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it was going to like kind of, yeah, affect the
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rest of your life. And I fought it originally. I
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didn't really want to do it, but I flew out
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and I kind of did an episode on another show.
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series like a different series that McG was doing and
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basically everyone was like you have to take this opportunity
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you have to because it's like it's a big role
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and It's a life changing thing.
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Do you ever look back at that decision and like
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question like, hmm?
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I mean, yeah, but like I'm still like that. Like
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I live near NYU. I like every day I walk by.
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I'm like, oh, I used to sit in the back
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of like some of my friends lectures and classes that
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were going to Columbia and NYU and stuff. And I
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would just like. I mean, I was obsessed with school
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culture and learning. I really enjoyed it.
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I'm going to walk past NYU like tomorrow. And I'm like,
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is that Misha? You're like sitting in the classes.
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But I do, I find it fascinating. I mean, like,
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you know, my big sister, she's so smart. I mean,
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she studied law, politics, economics, and like, it's always like
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she went to the University of Edinburgh in the end.
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But like, Yeah, I don't know. I was always very
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jealous of that.
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But yeah, it always kind of didn't sit well with
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me that I didn't get to do university, that I
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didn't get to go to college.
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So we talk about the OC. We got to get
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into it. You mentioned you obviously took that instead of
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going to college. Obviously, the OC was this phenomenon that
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I don't know if anyone expected it, but like It
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is still iconic to this day. People still talk about it. COVID,
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everyone's rewatching it. New people are finding the show. I'm curious,
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did you have any idea that it was going to
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be as big.
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As it was? Not really, no.
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I think the first time that we realized was when
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we went to the first premiere episode of it. And like,
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we literally thought that that whole crowd was there for
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something else. And we were like, I remember we were
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all riding in the same van together and like, we
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looked over and.
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We were like, what's that?
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And they were like, no, that's like the premiere for
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your show. That's where you're going.
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You were obviously the youngest of everyone, basically on that cast.
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You were 17 at the time and everyone was in
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their 20s, 30s, 40s. what was the dynamic initially like
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with you and your castmates, you being 17?
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Um, well, I think it was a bit tricky for
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everyone because like, you know, just having, like, I was
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experiencing all of my firsts and like, I was so
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young and like, you know, my mom would be on
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set and, um, yeah, I just needed a lot more
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like attention in that sense because I had my mom
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there and there was stuff going on and I was
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just finishing up school.
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And so, you know, they, like, it was a lot
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of my firsts. Let's put it like that.
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And I, that kind of really, like, separated me a
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little bit from them in the sense that, like, I
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wasn't out there living on my own in LA, like.
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Yet, you know?
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I didn't realize that the romantic partner that you had
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on your onscreen relationship with the character Ryan Atwood with Marissa,
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you being 17 at the time, I didn't realize he
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was 25. And so like, again, as a 17 year
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old playing across a 25 year old, like that's a
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pretty big age gap. How did you feel about that
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like romantic onscreen relationship?
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Yeah, it wasn't just on screen either.
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I mean, it was kind of complicated for me because
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like I said, like I went into that like a virgin,
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like a kid, like really feeling like I needed to
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grow up quickly to portray like, you know, acting with
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people older than me was a bit like, oh, wow,
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like they know what they're doing and like there's going
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to be like relationships on this show and you're going
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to need to like play that part. And I didn't
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feel really ready for that. Cause I was always like
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a really late bloomer in school and I hadn't really
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dated and I had, yeah, I just had like no
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idea what I was doing really. So I felt like
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I needed to catch up, I think a lot of
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the time.
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So you had a relationship with your castmate?
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Yeah.
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I mean, that was my first, like, I had no
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idea like what I was doing, you know? And I
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think that kind of set things off on the wrong foot, too,
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because it was like, you know, people hook up on
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these shows and whatever and like these things happen. But
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it was it we threw ourselves all into it very fast.
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like things don't work and they see you dating other
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people and, you know, like notoriously there was a lot of.
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Like interdating on that show and different people.
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Getting together, but I, yeah, it was, it definitely was
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tricky that it happened, like, right out of the gate,
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and that, like, I felt overwhelmed and not ready for
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any of that, and kind of, like, you know, they
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were also, like, I remember they were, like, Misha's disappeared
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with Ben, and, like, she's only 17 and a half, 18, like,
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and the producers, like, went to my parents and were, like,
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of a whole ordeal. And so like that's in the
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very beginning of the show before we're even like halfway
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through a season. So there was a lot going on there.
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That show, it just so much happened in three seasons.
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It really feels like it was over the course of
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like seven years or something, but it wasn't. It was
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like all crammed into this tiny little space.
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I didn't understand how much, and I'm not saying this
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happened in your case, but like I didn't understand how
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much director's like are really like promoting, yes, like hang
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out together and be together. Like it works for chemistry,
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but was that your case where they supported it? Yeah.
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I mean, it kind of felt like a double-edged sword
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because like, you know exactly what you said. They're like, oh,
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we want it to seem like you guys are all
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friends and that you have chemistry and we need this
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to really work and make it look like you guys
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have this chemistry. And then you sort of get punished
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for it on the flip side. And they're like, oh,
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but not so much that it like affects our production
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or like what's going on here? And there's nothing you
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can really do about that because it's too late. Like, and,
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you know, I feel like when I, I was that young.
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know what you don't want. You don't know what you
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do want. And so you kind of like panic and
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try to like, yeah. So it was, it was definitely
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a tricky balance to strike.
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How did you emotionally and mentally handle a dynamic where
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you still have to see someone every day and like,
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be cordial.
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But well, I mean, yeah, we just had to like
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suck it up and get on with it. And there were,
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but there was a lot of like jabs behind the
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scenes and off camera and kind of like, you know, um, yeah,
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I felt, I felt like that kind of ostracized me
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as well because like, you know, there was a market
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difference in like, um, maturity level there. And so like it,
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it was, um, yeah, I don't know what to say
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about it. We got through it. A lot of jokes,
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a lot of like, you know, I really loved our
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crew and I did feel that they were really there
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for us and that it was like a family and.
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That part was positive.
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And like, I remember Rachel was saying to me recently,
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like she looks back at the scene where we're all
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playing like chicken in the pool and stuff. And it's like,
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those were genuinely happy moments where we could forget about
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like all the pressure that was on us. And like,
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And it was really hard because, you know, you would
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be out getting photographed with different people. And like I
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did start dating. And then, you know, you try not
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to bring that on set when people are, you know,
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you just try to let it go at the door
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and kind of get on with it and keep working.
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Did you end the relationship?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I, yeah, I do.
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I think, you know, like one of those things you're
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so young and you've realized like, I'm not ready for this.
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Like I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Yeah. It's overwhelming.
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Overwhelming and just like too close to home. Like you can't, it,
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that it would be a very, very tricky thing to
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keep going on set. And I think, you know, Adam
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and Rachel, like we all kind of experienced that in
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some form or another. But again, I just felt like
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not mature enough, like, younger than them in that sense.
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I had not dated before, and I was not aware of,
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and I think he was, like, really angry with me
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to begin with, and, like, kind of, like, and I
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felt the punishment of that. Like, I felt that from
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the producers as well, that they were not, like, happy
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about that. But, like, that's where the, like, there was
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such great chemistry between the characters, and I think, like,
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people did fall in love with them because there was, like,
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genuine love friendship and love there on some level you know.
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Such a good point like I remember when I was
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I had Rachel on my show and we talked about
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her and Adam and like the chemistry between the cast
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the core four it was like overwhelming for people and
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we romanticized it so much and I could imagine you're
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right like ending relationships like Adam and Rachel at one
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point like it was so heightened.
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But that sexual tension was there. And it really, like,
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it reads. Like, even when you're looking at the scenes on, like,
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the Ferris wheel and stuff and, like, you know, I
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think we, like, kind of hated each other at that point. But, like,
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there was still this, like, intense kind of, like, tension there.
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And so it really worked for the show.
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Can I ask if you lost your virginity when you
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were filming The O.C.? Is that kind of what you're... Yeah, yeah.
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Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I was just such a, like,
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I had no idea... about relationships at all or sex
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and so like it was kind of just like a
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whole learning curve for me.
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You had mentioned there was bullying on set in like
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an interview and I'm curious if like you can talk
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about that a little bit as like being in that
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position like how do you deal with that.
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There was just kind of like back talk between people
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and like there was it's, I think I heard you
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say this in one of your interviews, it's typical that
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in these sets where, like, everybody, that not everybody is
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going to get along, and even with, like, the secondary
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characters and, like, guest stars and people who came in,
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you know, there are going to be clashes, there are
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going to be people who are going to create rumors
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and make stuff up and, like, and I think I
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was just very sensitive to that because I was so
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young and, like, finding out that, like, maybe people were
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talking about you behind your back. Cause I was particularly
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like sensitive to that. It felt like high school, but
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in the real world and very elevated and very magnified.
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So totally.
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Yeah.
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Marissa, the character you played was like the it girl,
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like she's partying. She can get all the boys. She's
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got like the family drama. She's getting into trouble. I'm curious, like,
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did you relate to anything that she was going through?
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I found those places in her, I guess. I mean,
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like I, yeah, I, I started to more and more.
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I think that's why they wrote so much drama for
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her in there, like the relationship with her parents and stuff,
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because that was the stuff that I could, I felt that,
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you know, emotional turmoil and angst in my life going
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on outside of the show. And so it was easier
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for me to, to play into that. And so I
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did start, you can't help, but start to relate to
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your character more when you're playing somebody day in and
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day out, there is this bizarre kind of like emergence
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of the two. And even like my social life outside
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of the show took on a very weird turn with
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me dating, like, you know, like a typical, like rich
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LA kid. And like some of that kind of like,
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and because of the fame and the paparazzi and stuff,
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it kind of like all took on a weird turmoil around.
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So the character ended up like, that's what we played
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up and, Her as well, because I really was going
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through a lot of growing pains and kind of coming
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into my own. And so the things I related to
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most was like her, her inner turmoil.
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You leave at the end of season three. It's still
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to this day is like one of I feel like
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the most heartbreaking moments on TV. Your character dies. how
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did you decide? By the way, if you're watching on TikTok,
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turn this off. I'm like, so Marissa dies. How did
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you decide to leave the show? Was it your decision?
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That's complicated.
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You know, things had not been going like they really
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needed like a huge cliffhanger. Something had to give, something
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had to change. And I'm like, to be really honest,
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like I think as Josh and Stephanie were writing it,
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they knew they needed something huge. And the obvious thing was,
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how much more can we really do with Marissa? Really,
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what more can she do? She's experienced with drugs, her sexuality,
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and they'd written so many things, and they were such
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quick succession of arcs like that. She was kind of
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like a character that was spiraling out of control. And
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at the same time in my life, like, you know,
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I was getting so much attention and there were other
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things going on, like people trying to write other roles
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for me and I would not be released from the show.
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I could not go do anything else.
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So like, you know, even like Stan Lee was writing
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like a comic book character for me, like there was
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no way that they were going to let me out
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to go do anything outside of the show, because that's
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just how it is. You're like, and so I think
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it was the obvious choice. The friction just between my
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team at the time and them and like how I
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did seem to be the most alienated one and a
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bit of a fish out of water. Like, I think
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that was like, it was an obvious choice.
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And we like, I don't know.
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I mean, Josh and Stephanie have their own ideas of
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how they ended it. And they say that they regret
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like a lot of like how they did handle it.
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But I thought it made the most sense for her
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to go out with a bang. She wasn't really a
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character that I thought, you know, should just like fade
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off into oblivion or like, you know, ride off into
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the sunset. Like she had to go somewhere. And I
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felt like that was the right thing for her.
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Do you remember the feeling of when the world saw
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that scene like did you pay attention to how many
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people were so devastated were.
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You overwhelmed it was crazy I had people crying in
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airports to be like people would come up to me
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on the street and be like can I hug you
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like I mean people wanted to like physically.
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Touch me they were just very like.
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Concerned about what had happened with the character because they're
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like you're alive really upset people and especially upset young
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girls and rightfully so I mean it should like you
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know she had taken it too far and like but
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all the best characters do. And like all the best
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characters kind of like, you know, have some huge tragedy.
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Hers is a bit.
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Final, but just a bit. Um, when you went on
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the OC rewatch podcast with the girls, I remember watching
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you like you looked upset when you were watching that
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final scene. You were like, Oh my God.
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Well, I haven't watched it maybe ever actually.
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Is there a reason?
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Well, I never sat down and watched the show as
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it was airing. It was not something, so like a
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lot of it I hadn't seen. And that one in particular,
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I hadn't seen it since we shot it. And I
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forgot so much about it. Like the fact that.
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There's no music.
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There is really a choice because the show was so
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music driven. And that whole thing is just kind of
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like silent. And then, you know, the flames in the car,
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like I didn't remember it being quite that... dramatic the
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way the car is actually on fire and like.
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Oh girl it was dramatic yeah you had me in
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tears and then alleluia starts playing and then you're like
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but um when you watched it and you're like okay
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let's turn this off it's gonna get emotional like did
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what did it bring up for you seeing that scene
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because it felt like you were like upset.
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We were upset on set that day a lot of
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the crew were really sorry to see me go and
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they were pretty upset and it was a lot of
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goodbyes and like you know, putting on a brave face
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about the whole thing, but basically like, I mean, I
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would always make, make light of everything.
488
00:23:01.650 --> 00:23:04.029
And we were like more blood, more drama, like, you.
489
00:23:03.950 --> 00:23:07.009
Know, and, but it was, um, it was a sad
490
00:23:07.049 --> 00:23:09.630
time because we were, we were sorry to leave each other,
491
00:23:09.730 --> 00:23:12.150
you know, they really were like a family to me.
492
00:23:12.190 --> 00:23:14.420
A lot of the guys and, you know, the heads
493
00:23:14.460 --> 00:23:18.240
of department on that show were really there for me
494
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.400
through tough times, you know?
495
00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:22.759
How would you describe that time of your life like
496
00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:23.859
after the OC?
497
00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:25.359
It was an intense time.
498
00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:28.559
It was because I think the thing that I hadn't
499
00:23:28.779 --> 00:23:31.720
really wrapped my head around was like the amount of
500
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:35.750
worldwide fame that show actually got. And so there wasn't
501
00:23:35.809 --> 00:23:39.190
anywhere to really hide. And I think what overwhelmed me
502
00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:41.990
was like I was doing all these campaigns and like
503
00:23:42.029 --> 00:23:43.829
there were times when I only had a few days
504
00:23:43.930 --> 00:23:45.910
off in the year. there was a lot of friction
505
00:23:45.950 --> 00:23:48.420
at home. There was like really no place for me
506
00:23:48.460 --> 00:23:52.019
to go that felt calm. And there was just a
507
00:23:52.059 --> 00:23:56.119
lot of pressure being put on me by, um, by
508
00:23:56.180 --> 00:24:00.559
people who expected the most out of me constantly. And
509
00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:03.619
so like, I never really, like there were some years
510
00:24:03.700 --> 00:24:06.079
there where like, there was only like maybe two days
511
00:24:06.259 --> 00:24:09.180
off the year, like, and I didn't, so I, and
512
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.339
like what really got me would be going to somewhere
513
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:15.799
like Australia or, uh, wherever you would think would be
514
00:24:15.859 --> 00:24:18.839
like the middle of nowhere to like and then still
515
00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:22.180
having you know pictures surface of you and like I
516
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:25.009
just it felt like I could never really get away
517
00:24:25.369 --> 00:24:28.490
from anything and I had no privacy.
518
00:24:28.009 --> 00:24:32.710
The paparazzi were absolutely obsessed with you it was like
519
00:24:32.950 --> 00:24:35.849
insane can you talk about some of like the like
520
00:24:35.950 --> 00:24:38.289
details of like the way that they would try to
521
00:24:38.329 --> 00:24:40.529
get to you to like really embody what you were
522
00:24:40.549 --> 00:24:41.250
going through it.
523
00:24:41.670 --> 00:24:46.069
Was dangerous most of the time And also just extremely invasive.
524
00:24:46.170 --> 00:24:48.289
I mean, the lengths that they would go to to, like,
525
00:24:49.049 --> 00:24:52.089
tap phones and conversations and, like, find out where you
526
00:24:52.130 --> 00:24:54.630
were going and track your car and stuff. I mean,
527
00:24:55.109 --> 00:24:59.039
the lengths they went to were pretty absurd. I.
528
00:24:59.059 --> 00:25:02.680
Like, think I read somewhere you said something like they would, like,
529
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.319
give homeless people phones.
530
00:25:04.660 --> 00:25:05.539
No, they really did.
531
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.359
They would give people, like, in the Malibu, like, country
532
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.869
mart and stuff and people on Rodeo, they would give, like,
533
00:25:10.930 --> 00:25:13.609
random people, like, phones and they would say like, if
534
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.369
you ever see a celebrity show up, I'm the first
535
00:25:16.410 --> 00:25:19.150
person you should call. Like I'll give you 50 bucks,
536
00:25:19.190 --> 00:25:21.089
a hundred bucks, whatever it is. If you tip me
537
00:25:21.170 --> 00:25:23.829
off that you see like Misha or Nicole or any
538
00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:26.250
of these girls coming down here to like go shopping
539
00:25:26.289 --> 00:25:28.269
or go to lunch, that way they wouldn't have to
540
00:25:28.309 --> 00:25:30.839
like sit there all day and wait themselves in the car.
541
00:25:30.859 --> 00:25:34.039
Lazy fucks. You're like lazy piece of shit.
542
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:34.420
Okay.
543
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.680
You couldn't just wait there yourself. I mean, that's just insane.
544
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.000
And you're right. Like it was a different time. And
545
00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:44.049
I think Maybe with social media now, there's just more access,
546
00:25:44.089 --> 00:25:45.549
so it's less intense.
547
00:25:45.569 --> 00:25:48.609
You can't get away with the same level of invasion
548
00:25:48.650 --> 00:25:49.309
of privacy.
549
00:25:49.369 --> 00:25:51.089
And you're right. It's better.
550
00:25:51.150 --> 00:25:54.089
I think people have lived and learned the nice thing
551
00:25:54.150 --> 00:25:57.109
about social media is, and the way it is now,
552
00:25:57.230 --> 00:25:59.430
you can give access to what you want to give
553
00:25:59.529 --> 00:26:02.650
access to. And so if you share more, then there's
554
00:26:02.710 --> 00:26:05.269
less of this kind of insane wall to try to
555
00:26:05.309 --> 00:26:08.670
get behind. So they're not literally scaling the walls to
556
00:26:08.710 --> 00:26:12.329
celebrities' homes anymore. Because you're in there like posting about
557
00:26:12.369 --> 00:26:15.130
your life and you're sharing more about your personal life.
558
00:26:15.250 --> 00:26:19.009
And so it doesn't have that kind of an intense,
559
00:26:19.069 --> 00:26:20.410
the stakes aren't so high.
560
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.380
You, I think had said at one point you're some,
561
00:26:23.619 --> 00:26:25.980
someone on your team around you started to give you
562
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.039
like prescription drugs. When did that start happening? And like,
563
00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:30.420
how did, how did that happen?
564
00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:33.200
It was happening even towards the end of the OC.
565
00:26:52.470 --> 00:26:53.150
Thank you.
566
00:26:56.829 --> 00:26:59.710
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Not every day you meet an Irish legend.
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I know what you mean, Cú Chulainn.
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Leaping vast distances, holding off armies.
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00:27:30.609 --> 00:27:32.730
Eating tonnes of fresh grass.
578
00:27:32.890 --> 00:27:33.170
What?
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00:27:33.329 --> 00:27:36.410
Not you, we're cows. That's one of the reasons Irish
580
00:27:36.450 --> 00:27:40.130
milk is so good. It's famous all over the world.
581
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Legendary.
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Ireland's grass and our farmers' commitment to more sustainable actions
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help make Irish dairy a true Irish legend.
584
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Always look for the National Dairy Council guarantee.
585
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With TUI, there's more choice than you think. Beach days
586
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:58.930
or a city break.
587
00:27:59.329 --> 00:28:00.210
Weekend in Rome?
588
00:28:00.230 --> 00:28:00.809
Booked.
589
00:28:01.250 --> 00:28:02.630
Fly from your local airport?
590
00:28:02.910 --> 00:28:03.470
Of course.
591
00:28:03.930 --> 00:28:04.690
Just a hotel?
592
00:28:05.049 --> 00:28:05.859
Got them too.
593
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:07.059
Number of nights?
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00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:08.079
Take your pick.
595
00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:11.579
Tailor your trip with more options and more choice.
596
00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:17.170
TUI. Someone on your team around you started to give
597
00:28:17.190 --> 00:28:20.549
you prescription drugs. When did that start happening and how
598
00:28:20.589 --> 00:28:21.730
did that happen?
599
00:28:21.869 --> 00:28:25.450
It was happening even towards the end of the OC.
600
00:28:25.730 --> 00:28:28.230
It was put into the contract that I had to
601
00:28:28.269 --> 00:28:30.839
have a sober coach with me and so then I
602
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.500
was being watched 24-7, but it was still very popular
603
00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:38.819
in those days to still be prescribing Xanax and things
604
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:43.400
for whatever. If you were under a lot of duress
605
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.769
or stress, they'd be like, this is what you need
606
00:28:45.789 --> 00:28:47.769
to do to, like, kind of get through it. And
607
00:28:47.809 --> 00:28:51.089
it was just being constantly told what to do by
608
00:28:51.130 --> 00:28:56.190
people every second and micromanaged in every single way. And
609
00:28:56.210 --> 00:28:59.059
I think that that just became, I don't think, it
610
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.880
did become overwhelming for me. And it wasn't, like, there
611
00:29:02.950 --> 00:29:06.180
never really was a proper break. There was never really
612
00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:09.920
a moment. And, like, I remember coming back home, like,
613
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.380
they were very concerned. Like, I walked into my house
614
00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.150
and there was, like, you know, like 10 guys in
615
00:29:15.210 --> 00:29:17.170
suits all sitting around like talking to me.
616
00:29:17.230 --> 00:29:18.269
I was like, what is this?
617
00:29:18.329 --> 00:29:20.849
And they were like, well, you have to go do
618
00:29:21.049 --> 00:29:23.380
a project in like two weeks.
619
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.380
Like, are you going to be ready? So it just
620
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.059
kind of all started compounding.
621
00:29:27.220 --> 00:29:29.079
You're saying the men in suits were there to like.
622
00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:32.480
It was just people from like all over, like the agency,
623
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.869
like producers, like the people really wanted to know that
624
00:29:35.950 --> 00:29:39.319
I was going to be performing and and doing like
625
00:29:39.579 --> 00:29:42.140
the schedule that they expected me to stick to. And,
626
00:29:42.740 --> 00:29:46.769
and like, I mean, I don't think that would even like,
627
00:29:46.890 --> 00:29:49.369
I don't think you could really do that with actors now.
628
00:29:49.390 --> 00:29:52.849
Like now, if you say to somebody like, I'm, I'm
629
00:29:52.910 --> 00:29:55.869
not doing well, or like, there are like trigger words
630
00:29:55.890 --> 00:29:58.809
that you can like, where they're like, okay, well, we
631
00:29:58.829 --> 00:30:01.769
have to leave this person alone. She needs a few
632
00:30:01.809 --> 00:30:04.769
days off or she needs some time to herself. That
633
00:30:04.829 --> 00:30:07.970
wasn't the case then. And I've listened to other actors
634
00:30:08.009 --> 00:30:10.170
talk about that too, where they were kind of like,
635
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.759
I mean, it's a big deal when you're helming a
636
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.849
whole show and everybody's jobs are relying on you and,
637
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:18.549
and situations like that.
638
00:30:18.630 --> 00:30:21.190
So that's an interesting point. Like mental health wise, like
639
00:30:21.349 --> 00:30:24.250
no one was having conversations the way that they were now.
640
00:30:24.309 --> 00:30:26.769
So like, cause all I'm thinking about is anyone like
641
00:30:27.029 --> 00:30:29.099
asking you like, Misha, are you okay? Like, do you
642
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.619
need a break? And instead everyone's like, how are we
643
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:33.259
going to get you out the door the next day?
644
00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:37.000
Like take this pill. Like everybody's here. Like we need to,
645
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.700
you're making us all money. So let's go out the door.
646
00:30:40.109 --> 00:30:42.789
That's a lot of, responsibility and a lot of weight
647
00:30:42.829 --> 00:30:44.769
to put on a young girl that's been doing this
648
00:30:44.809 --> 00:30:46.990
for so long. Like the beginning of this interview, I'm like,
649
00:30:47.339 --> 00:30:51.819
you're 10 when you get your first movie, um, your mom,
650
00:30:51.859 --> 00:30:53.900
your relationship with your mother. At one point you did
651
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:58.309
fire her as your manager. Like what? was the dynamic
652
00:30:58.369 --> 00:31:00.109
that led to that? And then how did you get
653
00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:01.410
back to a relationship?
654
00:31:01.589 --> 00:31:03.079
It just wasn't healthy.
655
00:31:03.339 --> 00:31:05.980
And I mean, it's still like, you know, I've just,
656
00:31:06.220 --> 00:31:09.119
in my life, I've really learned to prioritize like my
657
00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:12.299
chosen family and like the people who have really actually
658
00:31:12.339 --> 00:31:17.549
been there for me. I don't rely on like any
659
00:31:17.829 --> 00:31:21.809
one particular family member anymore. Like I've learned that for
660
00:31:21.849 --> 00:31:26.710
my own happiness and like, those relationships, I think in life,
661
00:31:26.849 --> 00:31:29.650
to be honest, are the most toxic because you feel
662
00:31:29.690 --> 00:31:32.910
like you can say or do whatever you want to
663
00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:37.359
somebody because you're related. And I've found that those have
664
00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:42.700
been the hardest for me to really understand. So, I mean,
665
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.799
I'm completely independent now and I do everything for me and,
666
00:31:47.019 --> 00:31:50.869
you know, like it's led to my like sobriety and
667
00:31:50.970 --> 00:31:55.500
happiness and, like I've had to watch other people crumble
668
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.450
and it's been hard to watch, but like, you know, I,
669
00:31:59.250 --> 00:32:01.950
I'm just grateful that I've been able to kind of
670
00:32:02.549 --> 00:32:06.250
find the, the people in my life who have been
671
00:32:06.289 --> 00:32:09.250
there for me consistently and consistently shown up for me.
672
00:32:09.869 --> 00:32:12.069
And so like, that's led to where I am now,
673
00:32:12.170 --> 00:32:14.730
which is like healthy and sober and happy. And like,
674
00:32:15.210 --> 00:32:17.920
you know, but unfortunately I've had to lose a lot
675
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.579
of family members along the way. And so like, you know,
676
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:24.180
there are people in this industry who understand that there
677
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.700
are a lot of people it's, it's unfortunate, but it's
678
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:31.410
sometimes like the reality of the world is that.
679
00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:33.430
I think it's a good point though. And I think
680
00:32:33.569 --> 00:32:36.210
I've talked about that on my show before, like family,
681
00:32:36.410 --> 00:32:39.210
the word family is so just by the way that
682
00:32:39.250 --> 00:32:41.269
you define it, like it doesn't have to be blood
683
00:32:41.329 --> 00:32:43.289
and you can make your own family and like the
684
00:32:43.309 --> 00:32:45.930
family that you're born into. It doesn't mean that it
685
00:32:45.950 --> 00:32:48.809
doesn't mean anything. It's like, if you're not getting treated correctly,
686
00:32:48.869 --> 00:32:51.589
like then you need to adjust your relationships and you
687
00:32:51.630 --> 00:32:53.890
need to reevaluate. And just because it's blood doesn't mean
688
00:32:53.910 --> 00:32:56.319
like you have to stay and you have to, of course,
689
00:32:56.539 --> 00:32:58.539
we're going to fight for things to a certain degree,
690
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.460
but when it's so unhealthy, seeing things online of like
691
00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:06.119
potentially family members, like stealing money from you, like how
692
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.160
do you get to a place where you can like
693
00:33:09.740 --> 00:33:13.069
be in relationships moving forward and like trust people from
694
00:33:13.250 --> 00:33:16.390
previous things that have been like so heartbreaking and happening
695
00:33:16.430 --> 00:33:16.630
to you?
696
00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:20.269
Yeah. It, there has been a lot of heartbreak.
697
00:33:21.029 --> 00:33:24.970
Um, I think that like, for me, the thing that's
698
00:33:25.529 --> 00:33:29.490
is like, I have to like really concentrate on myself
699
00:33:29.630 --> 00:33:33.369
because it's sounds cliche, but like, you know, unless you
700
00:33:33.430 --> 00:33:36.630
love yourself and love you and like can spend the
701
00:33:36.670 --> 00:33:39.009
time with you, you're the person you have to answer to,
702
00:33:39.190 --> 00:33:41.190
you know, and like nobody else.
703
00:33:41.289 --> 00:33:43.289
And I've had other people.
704
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.970
I've been yeah, stolen from and lied to in so
705
00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:50.180
many different ways over the course of, you know, the
706
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.920
last 10, 15 years, especially. And like, it's only in
707
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.309
the last like two, three years, even maybe that I
708
00:33:57.390 --> 00:34:01.630
feel like I have really taken responsibility for it and
709
00:34:01.670 --> 00:34:04.960
for myself. And like, been like you know what the
710
00:34:05.029 --> 00:34:08.510
only thing that I can do is just be happy
711
00:34:08.710 --> 00:34:12.369
healthy and sober and working out and like that's the
712
00:34:12.449 --> 00:34:15.969
only thing that's really gonna like make make my life
713
00:34:16.210 --> 00:34:19.130
worth living because I had given up for a while
714
00:34:19.170 --> 00:34:22.670
there like I was very I just felt so I
715
00:34:24.050 --> 00:34:26.420
don't know I don't know it makes me emotional because
716
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:34.820
I felt really alone yeah so I mean, yeah, it
717
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:39.679
really has been just like cutting people out of my life, truly.
718
00:34:39.699 --> 00:34:42.199
Thank you for sharing that because I can imagine it's
719
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.119
so hard when I'm like, you're talking about your family
720
00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:49.829
and you're talking about literally getting stolen from. You're like,
721
00:34:49.849 --> 00:34:53.070
how do you, like, that's something that is like, you
722
00:34:53.230 --> 00:34:55.769
couldn't feel more. How could you feel not alone? Like
723
00:34:56.030 --> 00:34:59.369
the people that you usually would turn to, to be like, Yeah.
724
00:34:59.630 --> 00:35:01.849
I mean, I think that, you know, I have to
725
00:35:01.889 --> 00:35:04.730
believe that in life, everybody does things thinking they're doing
726
00:35:04.769 --> 00:35:08.309
it for the right reason and maybe like with good intentions,
727
00:35:09.030 --> 00:35:14.210
but sometimes like there isn't always good intentions and sometimes
728
00:35:14.269 --> 00:35:16.909
you can't really explain why people do what they do.
729
00:35:17.190 --> 00:35:20.610
And yeah, that's a, it's a tricky one. And I think,
730
00:35:20.730 --> 00:35:24.110
you know, in family, especially it's a tricky one and
731
00:35:24.260 --> 00:35:30.179
you can just like, minimize your contact with those kinds
732
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.119
of people and moving forward, be careful about, cause I
733
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.010
can tend to be a very open and trusting and
734
00:35:39.090 --> 00:35:43.239
kind of naive person for a long time there. And I,
735
00:35:43.670 --> 00:35:46.949
you know, I had it happen kind of repeatedly to
736
00:35:47.010 --> 00:35:51.030
me in both like relationships as well, people using me.
737
00:35:51.349 --> 00:35:56.300
And so I realized that, um, Yeah, I don't know.
738
00:35:56.420 --> 00:35:58.440
I mean, like, maybe I wasn't the best judge of
739
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.570
character for a while there. And to stop making excuses
740
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:04.050
for other people. Because I think for a long time
741
00:36:04.630 --> 00:36:07.389
I was making excuses. Because you don't want to believe
742
00:36:07.429 --> 00:36:09.849
that somebody would, like, you know.
743
00:36:09.889 --> 00:36:10.469
Of course.
744
00:36:10.550 --> 00:36:14.110
I'm curious, Misha, like, when you were alone in those moments, like,
745
00:36:15.510 --> 00:36:17.550
how did you keep going? Because I'm trying to put
746
00:36:17.590 --> 00:36:21.050
myself in your shoes of, like, knowing the closest people
747
00:36:21.070 --> 00:36:24.980
to you are kind of, like, just completely different. abandoning
748
00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:28.429
you there's no trust you're getting stolen from like how
749
00:36:28.449 --> 00:36:29.750
did you keep even going.
750
00:36:29.650 --> 00:36:32.210
I mean a lot of therapy and a lot of
751
00:36:32.250 --> 00:36:35.389
just like cutting people out and working on myself and
752
00:36:35.429 --> 00:36:38.869
like strength comes at the darkest times you know I
753
00:36:38.909 --> 00:36:41.469
mean I've found my strength and when I was younger
754
00:36:41.510 --> 00:36:43.420
like I didn't think I was I thought I was
755
00:36:43.460 --> 00:36:45.340
gonna like be dead by 27 I was gonna be
756
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.119
part of that 27 club it was like It was
757
00:36:49.300 --> 00:36:54.579
like live young and fast. I really didn't give a shit.
758
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:55.510
I was reckless.
759
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.289
I was over it.
760
00:36:57.409 --> 00:37:02.269
I didn't really want to be doing stuff for other
761
00:37:02.309 --> 00:37:06.679
people anymore. I didn't want to be the person that everybody...
762
00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:08.699
needed to be making the money and doing the this
763
00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:10.420
and the that. And then like, you know, I think
764
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:12.260
when I got to my thirties and I was like, shit,
765
00:37:12.380 --> 00:37:16.179
I'm still here, I'm still going and I'm stronger than
766
00:37:16.460 --> 00:37:18.960
I was then, you know, and I've been through so
767
00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:22.150
much and these experiences haven't killed me and they've made
768
00:37:22.190 --> 00:37:25.550
me so much stronger. And I've been to court, I've
769
00:37:25.630 --> 00:37:28.449
fought for my rights, I've fought for my freedoms. And I've,
770
00:37:28.969 --> 00:37:31.230
you know, like when you get past that and out
771
00:37:31.289 --> 00:37:34.090
on the other side, then your whole perspective on life
772
00:37:34.190 --> 00:37:37.699
and everything changes because you're like, I am strong. Right.
773
00:37:38.380 --> 00:37:38.760
I'm strong.
774
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.739
And I used to get so upset with people because
775
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.900
they'd be like, you're the strongest person I know. And
776
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.480
that really felt like an insult after a while because
777
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.840
it just felt like, well, why, why do all these
778
00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:50.150
things keep happening to me?
779
00:37:50.250 --> 00:37:51.570
But it's true.
780
00:37:51.670 --> 00:37:55.489
I mean, you really do, um, when the chips are down,
781
00:37:55.590 --> 00:37:56.829
find that strength in.
782
00:37:56.730 --> 00:37:57.590
Yourself, you know?
783
00:37:57.730 --> 00:38:01.070
Yeah. I mean, I'm so sorry because I can't imagine
784
00:38:01.110 --> 00:38:04.750
like being at a place where you are almost like
785
00:38:04.809 --> 00:38:08.380
aware that the end could be near for yourself because
786
00:38:08.420 --> 00:38:11.019
of what's happening in your life. Like I, well.
787
00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:14.719
I romanticized all of that kind of like rock and roll,
788
00:38:14.780 --> 00:38:17.590
just like, you know, I was just like, I, I
789
00:38:17.619 --> 00:38:20.190
had kind of made up my mind that it wasn't
790
00:38:20.269 --> 00:38:23.429
gonna like, yeah, that there was no real kind of
791
00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:26.730
longevity in it for me that I just didn't want to,
792
00:38:27.130 --> 00:38:30.440
I didn't care to like keep going. And then, yeah,
793
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:35.829
like I said, I think just, I can't stand injustices
794
00:38:36.130 --> 00:38:36.550
in life.
795
00:38:36.650 --> 00:38:37.829
And like, I really.
796
00:38:37.550 --> 00:38:41.079
Can't stand when people do take advantage of people. And
797
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.880
I think that's where the strength that's really came from
798
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.699
is just like, you know what? Like, I'm not going
799
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.679
to take this and like, yeah, fuck that. Like, I'm
800
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.940
not going to sit by and, and watch these people
801
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:54.940
do that.
802
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.400
Talking about that time in your life where like, it
803
00:38:57.460 --> 00:38:59.940
was kind of like, I was romanticizing it. It was like,
804
00:39:00.019 --> 00:39:05.329
fuck this. Like, So in 2007, you were arrested for
805
00:39:05.349 --> 00:39:09.409
a DUI. And a few years later, you were held
806
00:39:09.550 --> 00:39:14.030
in a psychiatric hospital behind closed doors. Like what was
807
00:39:14.070 --> 00:39:15.710
happening with you at that point?
808
00:39:15.769 --> 00:39:17.989
Well, the DUI, I mean, I don't really know what
809
00:39:18.010 --> 00:39:20.010
to say about that. That was just, it was what
810
00:39:20.030 --> 00:39:21.929
it was. It was just like, it was a straight up,
811
00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:24.329
like we were out one night and yeah, that was,
812
00:39:24.510 --> 00:39:27.670
it was stupid. Got a DUI, the psychiatric stuff, like
813
00:39:28.130 --> 00:39:29.969
that was just like having a full body.
814
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:31.079
Breakdown.
815
00:39:31.179 --> 00:39:35.960
And like, I mean, that time it was really, I was,
816
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.599
I was drunk. Somebody had slipped me roofies and I was,
817
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.110
it was GHB and I'm lucky to be alive. Like,
818
00:39:41.139 --> 00:39:43.550
I mean, I just happened to be like, I overdosed.
819
00:39:43.630 --> 00:39:46.530
And so there was so many things that other people
820
00:39:46.570 --> 00:39:50.900
did to me that felt like so aggressively like, like wrong. And,
821
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.650
you know, I don't think that I realized how dangerous
822
00:39:55.130 --> 00:39:57.969
that seedy side of LA can be. And like, I
823
00:39:58.010 --> 00:40:01.349
had been kind of really protected and sheltered for a
824
00:40:01.369 --> 00:40:03.449
long time. And when I kind of got out there
825
00:40:03.510 --> 00:40:05.289
in the, like, you know, and I was like, I
826
00:40:05.329 --> 00:40:06.780
want to live my life. I want to be a
827
00:40:06.820 --> 00:40:09.679
normal person, whatever that means. And like, go to like,
828
00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:11.980
go to these parties, go do this stuff. And then
829
00:40:12.019 --> 00:40:14.139
it's like, you know, you end up in a situation
830
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:18.840
like that. It's, So, yeah, I mean, you really do,
831
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:19.440
you live.
832
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:19.960
And you learn.
833
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:24.780
And that was, yeah, that was, I mean, it was,
834
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.340
I just had a full blown breakdown from that.
835
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:29.190
When I heard you say like, it was so annoying
836
00:40:29.230 --> 00:40:31.570
hearing people say like, you're so strong, you're so strong.
837
00:40:31.610 --> 00:40:33.510
You're like, but why does this all have to keep
838
00:40:33.550 --> 00:40:34.460
fucking happening to me?
839
00:40:34.489 --> 00:40:36.429
It was just hard people saying that.
840
00:40:36.570 --> 00:40:39.489
I mean, like, you know, even like my boyfriends and
841
00:40:39.550 --> 00:40:42.239
all my friends around me would constantly say that, but
842
00:40:42.380 --> 00:40:45.269
I didn't feel like, as strong as I think I
843
00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:50.320
was coming across. I do have this kind of British
844
00:40:50.380 --> 00:40:53.280
thing of suck it up, just move on, kind of
845
00:40:53.420 --> 00:40:56.920
don't show your feelings, just kind of try to keep
846
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.880
a good exterior to you. It's only in the last
847
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.010
few years that I really feel that from the inside out.
848
00:41:05.849 --> 00:41:09.550
For a long time, I didn't really feel that strength
849
00:41:10.010 --> 00:41:11.329
to the degree that I do now.
850
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.519
I was thinking about, like, of all the... When you're saying,
851
00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:21.920
you know, like, people basically taking advantage of you. In 2017,
852
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.960
one of your ex-boyfriends you found out had filmed you
853
00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:26.199
when you were having sex and was going and trying
854
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.880
to shop the sex tape.
855
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:28.300
Yeah.
856
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:30.920
Can you take me back to the moment where you
857
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.179
realized that even, like, existed and what you were going through?
858
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:35.050
It was a disaster.
859
00:41:35.070 --> 00:41:38.409
It was an absolute fucking nightmare. But, I mean, yeah,
860
00:41:38.530 --> 00:41:40.550
I don't like to go back there. But I will
861
00:41:40.590 --> 00:41:41.440
tell you, I mean, it was.
862
00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:48.150
It's yeah shady don't boys who live together in a
863
00:41:48.190 --> 00:41:53.079
house probably red flag too many computers red flag I
864
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.119
mean like the whole thing was just like in hindsight
865
00:41:56.239 --> 00:42:00.480
red flags everywhere but like I mean in the bathroom
866
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.550
in the living room like the whole like just constant Yeah.
867
00:42:04.690 --> 00:42:04.980
It was bad.
868
00:42:04.989 --> 00:42:05.769
You had no idea?
869
00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:08.150
No idea. Absolutely no idea.
870
00:42:08.409 --> 00:42:11.050
Somebody actually showed it to me, and I was like,
871
00:42:11.150 --> 00:42:13.320
one of his friends came to me and warned me.
872
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:15.860
And I didn't think it was possible that some of
873
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:16.619
that was real.
874
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:17.559
And it was.
875
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:22.000
I mean, and apparently he was even caught saying to somebody, like,
876
00:42:22.300 --> 00:42:26.510
he knew that Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton and all
877
00:42:26.550 --> 00:42:28.769
these people had had sex tapes and that, like, I
878
00:42:28.809 --> 00:42:32.070
was one of the only ones. Girls who wouldn't like,
879
00:42:32.190 --> 00:42:34.719
and I mean, if you know me, I'm like quite,
880
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:38.260
I'm very private and really prudish when it comes to
881
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.239
like sexual relationships and what I share. And so that
882
00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:46.570
was just like, I mean, I thought my world was ending.
883
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.349
It was literally like the worst thing that anybody could
884
00:42:49.369 --> 00:42:52.150
do to me. I mean, forget all the like other
885
00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:54.070
things that people have done to me. That for me
886
00:42:54.170 --> 00:42:58.170
was like, no, I cannot go on if this person
887
00:42:58.210 --> 00:43:01.500
manages to do this to me. And so, like, I
888
00:43:01.539 --> 00:43:04.739
was at a friend's house in the Hollywood Hills, I remember,
889
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.780
and she woke me up and she was like, oh,
890
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:12.880
my God, there's a rumor going around that there is, like, footage.
891
00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:15.760
And I was like, of what? Like, what can it
892
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.070
possibly be? That was a whole crazy experience. I became
893
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:25.170
my own detective and I went to the LAPD and
894
00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:28.780
I was constantly contacting, like, the sex crimes, like, I
895
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:33.869
did my own surveillance of him and his friends, found him, like, yeah.
896
00:43:33.889 --> 00:43:37.190
So I had to turn into, like, a full-blown vigilante
897
00:43:37.230 --> 00:43:38.190
there for a minute.
898
00:43:38.389 --> 00:43:38.949
And did you.
899
00:43:38.969 --> 00:43:40.010
I'm glad I did.
900
00:43:40.769 --> 00:43:44.300
Abso-fucking-lutely. When you found also out, like, did you have
901
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.980
a conversation with him? Did you not speak to him again?
902
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:47.820
God, no.
903
00:43:48.139 --> 00:43:48.360
No.
904
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.780
I mean, like, he disappeared. He upped in, like, I mean,
905
00:43:52.219 --> 00:43:55.420
it was already over. Like, it was just a, like a...
906
00:43:55.829 --> 00:43:58.050
two week thing. And it was so he'd already gotten
907
00:43:58.070 --> 00:43:59.869
what he wanted. He was long gone. I had to
908
00:43:59.909 --> 00:44:02.789
like track him and his friends down. And I mean, yeah,
909
00:44:02.809 --> 00:44:06.050
it was like a nightmare. Get like going into court,
910
00:44:06.070 --> 00:44:10.469
getting all these restraining orders, constantly showing up for over
911
00:44:10.510 --> 00:44:12.869
a year, like a year and a half over a
912
00:44:13.409 --> 00:44:16.349
long period of time. And if I hadn't had the
913
00:44:16.389 --> 00:44:20.679
support I'd had from lawyers and from other women who
914
00:44:21.110 --> 00:44:21.969
were more aware.
915
00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:24.440
Of it and, there was no real laws at the time.
916
00:44:24.619 --> 00:44:27.800
Like the LAPD were like, oh, we deal with stuff like, yeah,
917
00:44:27.980 --> 00:44:31.110
we have, we, we know this stuff goes on, but
918
00:44:31.150 --> 00:44:34.070
I'll never forget walking into the police station and like
919
00:44:34.369 --> 00:44:36.449
giving them the address of the house where I thought
920
00:44:36.489 --> 00:44:38.360
most of it happened. And they brought it up on the,
921
00:44:38.909 --> 00:44:40.880
and the cop turns the computer around and.
922
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.960
He goes, is that him?
923
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.710
And he was actually there on Google Maps in front
924
00:44:46.750 --> 00:44:49.769
of the apartment building with his dog. And I was like,
925
00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:54.139
I mean, when I say the detective in me came out.
926
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.599
You have no idea.
927
00:44:55.659 --> 00:44:57.440
You're like, let's go get this motherfucker.
928
00:44:57.460 --> 00:44:58.820
You have no idea.
929
00:44:58.860 --> 00:45:00.599
So did you date this guy for two weeks?
930
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.150
Yeah, it was just like a two-week fling. It's shocking
931
00:45:05.170 --> 00:45:08.929
what goes through people's minds, like where they see opportunity,
932
00:45:08.989 --> 00:45:09.250
isn't it?
933
00:45:09.309 --> 00:45:13.260
It's just so sick how... how it happens. Any woman listening,
934
00:45:13.300 --> 00:45:14.840
like if they are going through this, like it is
935
00:45:14.909 --> 00:45:17.630
not your fault. It is illegal and it's a crime.
936
00:45:17.809 --> 00:45:21.570
I'm curious when of everything like that's just you've been
937
00:45:21.630 --> 00:45:24.710
through in your life. Are you resentful at all?
938
00:45:26.010 --> 00:45:27.210
No, no.
939
00:45:27.949 --> 00:45:31.269
I mean, there are people that I look back on
940
00:45:31.590 --> 00:45:35.210
and I'm like, you know, I've definitely can't stand them.
941
00:45:35.610 --> 00:45:37.550
I'm glad that they're not in my life anymore.
942
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:41.139
And I blame them for some of the things that
943
00:45:41.630 --> 00:45:45.949
kind of went on around that time period. But no,
944
00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:48.320
I mean, I don't think you can be resentful in life.
945
00:45:48.389 --> 00:45:50.860
I think I still have, I like to think, like
946
00:45:50.889 --> 00:45:53.480
a great sense of humor about things and like to be,
947
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.420
I keep things very lighthearted and I keep my chosen
948
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:02.699
family very close and the family that I do choose
949
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:06.579
to speak to very close. And like, you can't be
950
00:46:06.739 --> 00:46:09.719
resentful in life. You may as, it's all over if
951
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.820
you're gonna get like that. You know, you may as
952
00:46:11.860 --> 00:46:14.590
well be dead. Like, what's the point? You can't sit
953
00:46:14.650 --> 00:46:17.769
around and hate people for the things that happen. You
954
00:46:17.809 --> 00:46:22.789
have to learn and grow and mature from those situations and, like, evolve,
955
00:46:22.869 --> 00:46:27.219
you know. I mean, life is one big, like, learning
956
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:30.320
curve and story. And so, like, you know, you just,
957
00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:32.960
all you can do is, like, learn and grow. And
958
00:46:33.019 --> 00:46:36.500
I'm actually very grateful for that, you know. In the
959
00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:38.320
bigger picture, like, it's made me.
960
00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:38.969
Yeah.
961
00:46:39.340 --> 00:46:41.099
That's definitely made me who I am today.
962
00:46:41.739 --> 00:46:45.369
If you could say something to yourself when you were
963
00:46:45.530 --> 00:46:48.269
at that point where you had the mentality of like,
964
00:46:48.730 --> 00:46:51.070
fuck it, I'll be in the 27 Club. Like, what
965
00:46:51.110 --> 00:46:52.559
do you wish you could say to Misha now?
966
00:46:54.260 --> 00:46:56.619
You're going to be here 10 years later sitting on
967
00:46:56.659 --> 00:47:01.000
a couch talking to Alex Cooper about it. So get
968
00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:02.659
your shit together now.
969
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:05.900
You're going to be alive and thriving and happy and
970
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:07.820
healthy and it's all going to come together.
971
00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:10.099
Because you don't see it at the time when you're
972
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:10.480
in it.
973
00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:14.619
You just feel so overwhelmed, you know, and depression is
974
00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:17.539
real and it takes like a while for like the
975
00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:20.980
serotonin and the like happiness to like level out and
976
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.300
for you to come back from these situations and it's
977
00:47:24.380 --> 00:47:28.400
not like an overnight like but then like strangely one
978
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.780
day it will be kind of like a switch gets
979
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:32.599
flicked and.
980
00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:34.969
You feel weird it is weird it's like you look
981
00:47:35.050 --> 00:47:37.030
back when you're talking about it like I have moments
982
00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:38.610
in my life too where I was like going through
983
00:47:38.630 --> 00:47:40.969
something whatever and then one day you're just like making
984
00:47:41.050 --> 00:47:43.989
coffee or you're and you're like oh my god it all.
985
00:47:44.449 --> 00:47:46.380
I'm not that person at all anymore.
986
00:47:46.659 --> 00:47:48.219
I don't know, because when I was in it, I
987
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.199
didn't see, like, I couldn't barely even see a pinpoint
988
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:54.019
of a light at the end of the tunnel. And
989
00:47:54.059 --> 00:47:56.480
now here I am, and it's like, I'm not even
990
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:57.019
in the tunnel.
991
00:47:57.780 --> 00:48:00.800
Bitch, the tunnel's nowhere to be found, okay? It gone.
992
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:01.800
It's so gone.
993
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:05.349
It's gone. Are you dating? Are you in a relationship?
994
00:48:05.389 --> 00:48:23.559
Are you single? Thank you.
995
00:48:29.139 --> 00:48:32.019
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1005
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I know what you mean, Coo Collin.
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Leaping vast distances, holding off armies.
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Eating tons of fresh grass.
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Are you dating? Are you in a relationship? Are you single?
1018
00:49:29.179 --> 00:49:29.739
What are we doing?
1019
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.219
No, I'm single at the moment and I love it.
1020
00:49:32.590 --> 00:49:33.170
I love it.
1021
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.300
I really, truly have just been working on myself and...
1022
00:49:36.909 --> 00:49:37.929
I fucking love it.
1023
00:49:38.250 --> 00:49:38.789
It's great.
1024
00:49:38.989 --> 00:49:41.769
I mean, I don't have to answer to any, I just.
1025
00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:46.079
Like, I feel very like, you know, like happy and
1026
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.639
sober and like clear and like I can be healthy
1027
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.619
and cause I will fall into like, it'll all happen
1028
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.260
when I fall in love again. Like I fall hard
1029
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.610
and fast and then I'm like, you know, kind of
1030
00:49:58.050 --> 00:50:01.809
almost codependent with that person. So I hope like moving forward,
1031
00:50:01.849 --> 00:50:04.309
if I want anything from my relationships, it's that they
1032
00:50:04.449 --> 00:50:06.150
aren't so intense.
1033
00:50:05.849 --> 00:50:08.099
And like, I do feel like what I've learned though,
1034
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:11.000
is like, that's also just, we're talking about all these
1035
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.099
different stages of your life. And something I learned about
1036
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.340
myself is like, I had a similar experience. Like I
1037
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.449
was like, God, these relationships are so heavy and so intense.
1038
00:50:19.550 --> 00:50:22.130
And then the more I worked on myself and the
1039
00:50:22.190 --> 00:50:24.449
more that I became the best version of myself. And
1040
00:50:24.489 --> 00:50:26.050
it sounds like you're just in this place of like
1041
00:50:26.170 --> 00:50:29.889
clarity and you're like Pilates and yoga and sobriety bitch.
1042
00:50:29.909 --> 00:50:32.219
Like you're You are fully focused on yourself.
1043
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.260
You don't give off those vibes. Guys don't feel like
1044
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.739
they can control you like that. Yeah, exactly.
1045
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.559
Because you are, without even knowing it, you are giving
1046
00:50:39.619 --> 00:50:41.800
off vibes that you need to be babied or you
1047
00:50:41.860 --> 00:50:42.440
need to be.
1048
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.769
Taken care of in some way, I think. Totally.
1049
00:50:45.289 --> 00:50:49.829
Even though you feel like you're acting so independent. It's different.
1050
00:50:50.130 --> 00:50:53.650
You will attract someone completely different in this new stage
1051
00:50:53.690 --> 00:50:57.099
of your life. Just because you're, you also see yourself differently.
1052
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.719
I mean, even think about what you were feeling about
1053
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.000
yourself before 27. And then now you're like, oh my God,
1054
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:04.320
these are different people.
1055
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.739
I mean, yeah, that person never would have considered settling down,
1056
00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:10.559
never would have considered marriage, kids, anything.
1057
00:51:10.619 --> 00:51:12.880
Like none of that would have even been like, I'd
1058
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:16.829
have been like, oh, hell no. But, you know. Yeah,
1059
00:51:16.949 --> 00:51:17.809
things change.
1060
00:51:17.969 --> 00:51:19.849
So you said you kind of would consider yourself, like,
1061
00:51:19.909 --> 00:51:22.789
are you a romantic? Yeah, Valentine's Day. Misha brought me
1062
00:51:23.070 --> 00:51:26.250
literally a nice little teddy bear and a little rose.
1063
00:51:26.289 --> 00:51:27.489
Well, you're engaged.
1064
00:51:27.510 --> 00:51:29.699
And I was like, oh, you have to spend Valentine's.
1065
00:51:29.739 --> 00:51:32.820
And I hate that word, Galentine's. But I was like, okay,
1066
00:51:32.900 --> 00:51:35.940
so it's such an annoying word, isn't it? But anyway,
1067
00:51:36.900 --> 00:51:39.260
I was like, if we're doing Valentine's Day, you need
1068
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:40.480
a teddy bear and a rose.
1069
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.980
Let me be so clear. I cannot explain to you
1070
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.739
how happy I am that I'm spending Valentine's Day with you. Like, truly,
1071
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:51.210
this episode, I already know, is one, going to help
1072
00:51:51.230 --> 00:51:55.010
so many women, and two, like, we're Misha fans over here, okay?
1073
00:51:55.050 --> 00:51:58.369
We fucking love you. If you do start dating again,
1074
00:51:58.550 --> 00:52:00.469
what is your approach to dating, and what are you
1075
00:52:00.489 --> 00:52:01.070
looking for?
1076
00:52:01.750 --> 00:52:04.940
Oh, man. I don't know. Like, I think I.
1077
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.969
again, with that, I went through phases where like, I
1078
00:52:08.090 --> 00:52:12.030
really wanted to date musicians and like be on tour
1079
00:52:12.110 --> 00:52:15.769
and like, you know, like, yeah, exactly. Like those, those
1080
00:52:15.829 --> 00:52:19.070
days are over. That's not attractive to me anymore. I
1081
00:52:19.110 --> 00:52:21.360
don't want to be with like the guy in a
1082
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.320
band and I don't like, you know, I mean, never
1083
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.099
say never, but it's not really my thing. And I've
1084
00:52:27.139 --> 00:52:30.059
kind of, you know, I've, I've moved on from all
1085
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.190
of that stuff and I've matured.
1086
00:52:32.349 --> 00:52:33.130
So you had a type?
1087
00:52:34.150 --> 00:52:36.090
I mean, I did date.
1088
00:52:35.869 --> 00:52:39.210
A lot of, like, kind of band guys. I don't
1089
00:52:39.449 --> 00:52:42.010
think I have a type per se, but.
1090
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.619
What was it about the band guy that you were loving? Like,
1091
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:45.440
what was going on?
1092
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:46.400
I don't know.
1093
00:52:46.460 --> 00:52:48.719
I was just young and thought that was cool to
1094
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:50.679
be on tour with, like, the Cold War kids or
1095
00:52:50.739 --> 00:52:51.619
Rooney and stuff.
1096
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.039
Like, you know, like, I thought I was, like, having
1097
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:55.610
a blast. I was in my 20s.
1098
00:52:55.699 --> 00:52:56.159
I don't know.
1099
00:52:56.179 --> 00:52:58.989
Like, it was... Wait, I forgot Rooney was on the show.
1100
00:52:59.010 --> 00:52:59.769
Mm-hmm.
1101
00:53:00.289 --> 00:53:02.389
We had so many cool bands on the show. It
1102
00:53:02.429 --> 00:53:04.510
was a great way to meet people.
1103
00:53:04.869 --> 00:53:05.130
Okay.
1104
00:53:05.150 --> 00:53:07.090
So you liked the band boys, but now maybe we're
1105
00:53:07.110 --> 00:53:08.030
like veering away.
1106
00:53:08.309 --> 00:53:10.010
Yes. No, we have veered away.
1107
00:53:10.510 --> 00:53:13.579
Um, I'm, I like people who are driven and have
1108
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.800
their own stuff going on. It's incredibly important considering how
1109
00:53:18.340 --> 00:53:20.840
like independent and driven I've always had to be in
1110
00:53:20.900 --> 00:53:23.469
my life and am in my life. Like I need
1111
00:53:23.510 --> 00:53:26.929
that in a sense of humor are the two main things.
1112
00:53:27.289 --> 00:53:28.989
What is a non-negotiable for you?
1113
00:53:29.409 --> 00:53:31.369
Like, if you don't have a sense of humor and
1114
00:53:31.409 --> 00:53:33.329
you can't make me laugh. Like, if you're not funny,
1115
00:53:33.409 --> 00:53:35.010
then it's like, no, that's not.
1116
00:53:34.889 --> 00:53:35.909
Going to work, probably.
1117
00:53:35.989 --> 00:53:36.150
Right.
1118
00:53:36.190 --> 00:53:37.449
Like, I need to be cracking up.
1119
00:53:37.789 --> 00:53:39.070
Yeah.
1120
00:53:39.369 --> 00:53:41.070
I need somebody who feels like a best friend.
1121
00:53:41.090 --> 00:53:45.340
Mm-hmm. Because I think also, if you could talk about...
1122
00:53:45.179 --> 00:53:47.909
Because as we wind down, like, I have a lot of...
1123
00:53:47.980 --> 00:53:50.179
I just sounded like my fucking therapist. You guys, my
1124
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.840
therapist at, like, the 50-minute mark is like, as we
1125
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.539
wind down, I'm like, oh, bitch, that's your way of
1126
00:53:54.619 --> 00:53:56.809
telling me, like, it's over. Like, you're going to hang
1127
00:53:56.869 --> 00:53:57.289
up on me.
1128
00:53:57.369 --> 00:53:57.670
Panic.
1129
00:53:58.389 --> 00:53:58.489
But.
1130
00:53:59.019 --> 00:54:02.860
As we wind down. I'm curious, like, of all the
1131
00:54:02.900 --> 00:54:05.840
themes we did talk about with men, like, how have you,
1132
00:54:06.059 --> 00:54:08.010
whether it's in therapy or just on your own journey, like,
1133
00:54:08.139 --> 00:54:10.489
how have you tried to rebuild trust? Because I feel
1134
00:54:10.530 --> 00:54:12.250
like there's so many women that write in to me of, like,
1135
00:54:12.610 --> 00:54:15.050
I just feel like I've been so fucking wronged by men.
1136
00:54:15.130 --> 00:54:16.449
And sorry to all the men in the room, but, like,
1137
00:54:16.510 --> 00:54:18.429
it's hard to not hate them because of the bad
1138
00:54:18.469 --> 00:54:20.909
interactions you've had with them. Like, do you have any
1139
00:54:20.949 --> 00:54:22.750
advice for women that have gone through?
1140
00:54:22.769 --> 00:54:25.750
I've definitely become more of a girl's girl over the years.
1141
00:54:25.789 --> 00:54:26.670
That's for sure.
1142
00:54:26.690 --> 00:54:26.760
But.
1143
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:33.800
What, in relationships? Like, how to, like, not get... Yeah,
1144
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.360
I mean, you have to.
1145
00:54:36.619 --> 00:54:38.800
You just have to. I mean, you just have to
1146
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:41.199
keep your wits about you, but, like, you can't go
1147
00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:43.760
around with, like we said, like, resenting or having a
1148
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.880
chip on your shoulder and being like that, because also
1149
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.380
you won't attract, like, the right people in that phase either, so.
1150
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.400
That's a good point. I love love.
1151
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.099
I think, you know, everybody needs to keep an open
1152
00:54:55.659 --> 00:54:58.840
mind that there are good people out there. Even though
1153
00:54:58.900 --> 00:55:01.679
this episode addressed a lot.
1154
00:55:02.980 --> 00:55:05.739
Of not so good people, but.
1155
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.389
There are, you're right. And it's like, I think it's,
1156
00:55:07.969 --> 00:55:10.530
it's important to have conversations with like this of like
1157
00:55:10.929 --> 00:55:14.070
the bad can be really fucking bad and really fucking dark.
1158
00:55:14.190 --> 00:55:16.250
But if you keep pushing through it, like you said,
1159
00:55:16.289 --> 00:55:18.650
like you wish you could tell yourself then like, No,
1160
00:55:18.670 --> 00:55:20.530
but you are going to make it past 27 and
1161
00:55:20.650 --> 00:55:23.650
it is going to get better. And you, you are
1162
00:55:23.730 --> 00:55:26.289
so strong, but you shouldn't have had to be that strong.
1163
00:55:26.369 --> 00:55:28.269
But the reason you're still here is because you're so
1164
00:55:28.289 --> 00:55:30.969
strong and like keep fighting to people listening that are
1165
00:55:30.989 --> 00:55:33.570
going through it. Like there's a reason to keep fighting
1166
00:55:33.590 --> 00:55:36.159
because it actually most of the time always does get
1167
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:36.739
fucking better.
1168
00:55:37.099 --> 00:55:37.539
It does.
1169
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.960
What do you think is the biggest misconception about you?
1170
00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:42.940
Oh, I don't know.
1171
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:46.980
I think like, honestly, like, a lot of people think
1172
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.440
that I am Marissa Cooper. Like I think a lot
1173
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:51.400
of people think I'm going to be a really stuck
1174
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.610
up bitch. Like I do, I get that vibe like
1175
00:55:54.670 --> 00:55:58.090
that people think like, Oh, I've dated these guys and
1176
00:55:58.130 --> 00:56:00.510
that like, I'm going to be, I do think that
1177
00:56:00.530 --> 00:56:03.820
that's a horrible, like it kind of comes with the territory.
1178
00:56:04.429 --> 00:56:07.170
of when people meet me, they're always like, oh, you're
1179
00:56:07.230 --> 00:56:10.190
so much prettier in person and you're so much nicer
1180
00:56:10.409 --> 00:56:12.909
than I thought you were going to be. And I'm like, wow, okay.
1181
00:56:13.219 --> 00:56:15.980
I don't think I want to know what you thought.
1182
00:56:16.340 --> 00:56:17.239
But like, I.
1183
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.059
Think that seems to have been like the lasting stigma
1184
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.559
around things. I think it's the whole thing we were
1185
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.780
talking about of like, you know, like the storylines of
1186
00:56:27.019 --> 00:56:30.309
Marissa and like Misha at the time kind of crossing
1187
00:56:30.369 --> 00:56:33.369
and people just like, equating the two with each other
1188
00:56:33.429 --> 00:56:36.110
i think that's been kind of a toxic kind of
1189
00:56:36.269 --> 00:56:39.530
lasting like that some people have stuck in their.
1190
00:56:39.409 --> 00:56:42.750
Heads does that make you at all like resent the character.
1191
00:56:42.909 --> 00:56:46.199
No i i still love marissa as a character i
1192
00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:49.099
think she's a badass bitch and i think like she
1193
00:56:49.139 --> 00:56:52.719
was a great character i just think um you know
1194
00:56:52.900 --> 00:56:55.510
like people are not the roles they play and like
1195
00:56:55.889 --> 00:56:58.150
actors are like, you know, you've, yeah.
1196
00:56:58.269 --> 00:57:01.869
Yes. Actors are not the roles they play. Period. God
1197
00:57:01.909 --> 00:57:05.739
bless everyone online. You get that. TikTok. Okay. Um, what
1198
00:57:05.780 --> 00:57:07.559
do you hope people take away from this interview?
1199
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:12.159
Hopefully like for me, girl, girl strength and power, because
1200
00:57:12.219 --> 00:57:14.980
I think talking about these things and like, you know,
1201
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.530
if you can talk about your dark times and your
1202
00:57:17.570 --> 00:57:20.480
depression or anything that you've been through and like, For me,
1203
00:57:20.539 --> 00:57:22.139
like I said, I was walking around the city with
1204
00:57:22.179 --> 00:57:25.260
my headphones and listening to your interviews. I do find
1205
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.659
them really interesting and I think it's important that you
1206
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.619
can listen to other women's perspectives and what they've been through.
1207
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.610
And if you're having a bad day, it's probably, hopefully
1208
00:57:33.619 --> 00:57:35.530
it's not as bad as Misha's first day.
1209
00:57:37.090 --> 00:57:39.900
You're like, bitch, hopefully this really brings me up.
1210
00:57:39.929 --> 00:57:41.130
This will brighten you.
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But you're right.
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It's like sometimes when you're really, everyone goes through it
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00:57:45.030 --> 00:57:47.570
where you're feeling so alone and there is something really
1214
00:57:47.690 --> 00:57:50.170
nice when especially people you look up to that you
1215
00:57:50.210 --> 00:57:53.269
know online are like, oh, I have been through it.
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00:57:53.670 --> 00:57:56.389
It can give that person sitting in their room, whether
1217
00:57:56.429 --> 00:57:57.929
it's a good or bad day to be like, damn,
1218
00:57:58.010 --> 00:58:00.800
I'm so not alone in the, it's all the same themes.
1219
00:58:01.179 --> 00:58:03.900
It's all, we all have ties to each other. It's just,
1220
00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:07.139
we experience it or feel it differently. But no, I
1221
00:58:07.179 --> 00:58:09.300
really appreciate you opening up today. Cause I know you
1222
00:58:09.340 --> 00:58:11.849
don't do a lot of this kind of stuff, but
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00:58:11.909 --> 00:58:14.820
I think in the right environment, like it, It was
1224
00:58:14.860 --> 00:58:15.260
such a powerful.
1225
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:16.949
Well, I wanted to talk to you because I think
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00:58:16.989 --> 00:58:19.289
you're cool. I get good vibes from you. And when
1227
00:58:19.349 --> 00:58:21.190
I was, when I first spoke to you, I was
1228
00:58:21.250 --> 00:58:23.650
like out of everybody that I could talk to, like.
1229
00:58:24.449 --> 00:58:25.030
Yeah, it's true.
1230
00:58:25.090 --> 00:58:27.170
I turn down all the podcasts and stuff, but it's
1231
00:58:27.190 --> 00:58:28.389
been fun talking to you.
1232
00:58:28.510 --> 00:58:31.329
Thank you. I really appreciate that. Last question.
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00:58:31.429 --> 00:58:31.750
Yes.
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00:58:32.010 --> 00:58:34.170
What can fans expect from you next? What are you
1235
00:58:34.269 --> 00:58:37.000
up to in your life? Just like give us the tea.
1236
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.880
Oh, you know what's fun is, well, I was working
1237
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.719
quite a bit last year, which was fun. And so
1238
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.260
I was traveling a lot. And then, so I was
1239
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.880
working in Australia and now I think I'm going to
1240
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:51.159
be doing a rom-com later this year in Australia, which
1241
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:52.519
is a really.
1242
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:53.530
New territory for me.
1243
00:58:53.530 --> 00:58:53.690
Stop.
1244
00:58:54.380 --> 00:58:57.039
So she's a really fun character. Yeah, I know.
1245
00:58:57.139 --> 00:58:59.570
It's not the kind of role, but she's got this
1246
00:58:59.630 --> 00:59:02.010
kind of like a great sense of humor to her,
1247
00:59:02.050 --> 00:59:04.670
the character and stuff. And I just think it's such
1248
00:59:04.710 --> 00:59:08.769
a beautiful backdrop to to film in. And, um, yeah,
1249
00:59:08.809 --> 00:59:14.590
I really, I feel, I feel this character. So that, and, um, yeah,
1250
00:59:14.610 --> 00:59:16.659
I did a little movie in Ireland last year, which
1251
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.920
was really fun for me because I got to be
1252
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:23.119
back near my Irish roots and yeah, just, uh.
1253
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:24.449
You and a rom-com.
1254
00:59:24.489 --> 00:59:24.800
I know.
1255
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.909
Misha, I'm like, I'm already gagged.
1256
00:59:28.070 --> 00:59:30.469
I love this one because it's like a modern day,
1257
00:59:30.550 --> 00:59:33.409
like real take on, you know, she's got a great
1258
00:59:33.449 --> 00:59:36.300
sense of humor and she's really grounded and like the supporting,
1259
00:59:36.340 --> 00:59:38.420
like he's got a brother in it and she's got
1260
00:59:38.460 --> 00:59:41.420
her sister. So those dynamics also come into play a lot.
1261
00:59:41.949 --> 00:59:44.730
So I think it's a great script.
1262
00:59:44.809 --> 00:59:47.730
And yeah, let me just say this, the daddy gang,
1263
00:59:47.769 --> 00:59:50.840
my fans and I will be sat ready to watch
1264
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.639
with our popcorn, ready to support.
1265
00:59:52.659 --> 00:59:55.820
They're coming back to like, I mean, yeah, it's a
1266
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.360
fun genre. We don't always want to be in like,
1267
00:59:58.380 --> 01:00:01.440
you know, running scared and doing these dramatic roles.
1268
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:01.900
Right.
1269
01:00:01.940 --> 01:00:04.099
And like our emo days, like we want, sometimes we
1270
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.219
want to like little laugh with our popcorn. Misha, I
1271
01:00:07.300 --> 01:00:09.429
cannot thank you enough for coming on, for trusting me
1272
01:00:09.449 --> 01:00:13.039
with this conversation. And like, Truly, it has been such
1273
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:15.219
a pleasure to get to know you more. And I
1274
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.139
feel like, I mean, I know there's so much more
1275
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:19.039
to you, but I appreciate you sitting down with me
1276
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.699
because this was really one of my faves. So thank you.
1277
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:24.360
And thank you, thank you, thank you for coming and
1278
01:00:24.380 --> 01:00:25.679
taking time out of your busy life.
1279
01:00:25.929 --> 01:00:28.320
No, thanks. I'm glad we got to meet up here
1280
01:00:28.340 --> 01:00:28.760
in New York.
1281
01:00:44.539 --> 01:00:53.940
Thank you. Good nights are about the people. The laughs.
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