Threshing Day Review: Read It Now Or Wait For Empyrean Book 4?

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Happy Thrashing Day, writers! If you know, you know.
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October 1st is the day first series walk into the valley and hope a dragon picks them instead of well eating them or cinching them.
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And this year Rebecca Yarros gave us an entire book about it.
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Threshing day, 13 stories, 13 characters, all of the day they meet their dragons.
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And before anyone asks, no, this is not book four.
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No, it's not.
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It's 3.5, which is exactly what we're answering today.
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Should you drop everything and read it right now, or save it for right before book four comes out?
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Here's how this works: the first half is completely spoiler free.
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We're getting into why authors do know Vellas in the first place, why Rebecca did this one now, and what our verdict is on if you should read it or not.
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Then we're crossing the spoiler line and ranking our favorite POVs, meeting all the dragons, and talking all of those book four theories.
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Oh, so grab a snack, mount up, and let's get into it.
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Woohoo! So, first I feel like we should level set on what the fuck Thrashing Day even is.
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Because uh we have been calling it a novella, the world has been calling it a novella, but Rebecca has been calling it a collection of stories, which it technically is.
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So it's a collection of stories from 13 of our favorite side characters that we know and love, but we don't know a lot about them.
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And so it's a collection of their stories from their own threshing day, since we only have Violet's Thrushing Day, obviously.
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The book itself is short, and that's why everyone's considering it a novella because it's 3.5.
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But what it is not, and Rebecca has made this very clear, is that it is not the next book in the series.
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Like this is meant to be a companion to the series or an additional word companion.
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So she has said that you should technically read it after Onyx Storm, but you technically don't need to, which I have thoughts on.
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I have a lot of thoughts on that.
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I don't know.
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So let's get into it now that we know about this.
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And first I would like to start with what the fuck is the point of a novella?
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I have never known the answer to that.
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And I just always thought they were like a little fan service.
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Like I thought it was like, hey, you've been waiting two and a half years for the next book in this.
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So like here's a little like gift while you wait.
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But some people feel like they are like the most important bridge in a series.
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So I it's hard because I haven't read too many series where the novella is centered on the like same cast and crew, for example.
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Where it's like, I feel like the novellas where I've been like, oh my god, this is so impactful, are like in a completely different time, place.
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Like maybe it's on the same character, but like you're getting a completely different view.
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Yeah.
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Which was why I loved Assassin's Blade and Throne of Glass, because I was like, oh my god, you're learning everything about Aileen before she becomes Selena and then Aileen.
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But then the Corda Frost and fucking Starlight and Akatar.
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I'm like, what the fuck is this shit?
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I'm in the same townhome with the same people over Ferah's fucking birthday, celebrating Solstice.
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Like, what is this?
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But some people swear that that Akatar book is the key to every theory that exists in the whole massive.
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I know.
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I know, I know.
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So that's why I think I like that you called this a companion novel because it's almost like a guide to like a guide to the dragons, a guide to the side characters, a guide to a little bit more about the world.
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So I think companion novel is a good word for this.
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And that to me makes a novella worth it when you are getting additional context to the world that you've been introduced to before, whether it's additional context to the characters that you know and love or the world, or in this case, the dragons, where I was like, oh my God, I am learning so much that I didn't know that I needed to learn.
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And that makes a novella worth it to me.
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I think that the reason that Rebecca put this book out right now is because that I think that we need to know more about the dragons and more context about these characters for her next book.
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Definitely since she wrote Fourth Wing and wrote that original threshing story, her mind has been ruminating.
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The fandom has been ruminating.
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We've been coming up with different directions for this story that is not what she originally sought out to write.
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And so maybe she needed to put this out before that fourth book so that we had all the additional context needed to understand her vision.
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Yeah, I mean, Onyx Storm was very dragon lore heavy.
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Like you're introduced to the Erids, you start to realize that the dragons like kind of had their own fucking side agenda.
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And if we don't have a lot of context to that.
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So I agree.
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I think the timing was perfect.
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I also like the cynical side of me is like, oh my God, okay, she's about to put out this graphic novel.
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The show is about to come out.
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Obviously, book four is about to come out in the next two years.
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Like, she kind of had to keep the momentum going to a certain degree.
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Yeah, you know.
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Yeah, I get that.
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That's why I'm like the original novella idea, is like kind of fan service-y for me.
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Uh, agreed, which we were kind of skeptics.
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I was less of a skeptic than you were going into this because I was like, okay, if she's gonna put out a novella, she's not gonna like do us dirty.
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Like, you know, it's it's gonna be fun at least.
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But was very much like, this is going to be a waste of our time.
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I never trusted novella, but I also like totally forgot how much I love Rebecca Yarrow's writing.
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I mean, I haven't read On It Storm since like January 2025.
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I didn't never get a reread, nothing.
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And so I I forgot how nothing.
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I forgot how immersive her writing is.
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Like, I forgot how lost you get in her stories.
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Agreed, agreed.
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I feel like the fandom was very much like if there is going to be a novella, it better be on Riddick, and that's that.
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Like, we better get a Riddick side story.
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And if not, then then it's like, what?
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And so I'm very interested in how she decided to take this approach of being like, no, I'm literally only going to focus on Thrushing Day, and I'm going to tell the stories of 13 different people at once versus going like super deep on one character that everyone's obsessed with.
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Yeah.
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I'm realizing now that like it had to be threshing day because we needed to know more about what the dragons are keeping secret.
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Yeah.
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Totally.
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What in like what forum are you getting all of the dragons in one location?
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Yeah.
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Thrashing day.
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Right.
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Right.
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I literally, I don't know.
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Thrashing day.
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October 1st.
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After reading it, I'm like, okay, also, Cassie gets has been hearing me say this like all week.
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I'm like, every single one of these people is about to go gangbusters in book four and absolutely go freaking wild.
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And so I think we needed to know every person.
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Like, they're all about to do something insane.
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Emily is literally desperate for everyone to like turn into the Hulk on the Venom in the next book.
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I'm like literally picturing them all going Avengers, like full force, like Avengers endgame on the Venom, and they all have a part to play.
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I can actually see that.
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh.
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In terms of if it was worth it, we need to get into that because I think that there's been so much hype around this release.
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Obviously, it's Fourth Wing, everyone's like losing their shit.
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And I think for the general consumer of Fourth Wing who like read it, you know, like maybe a year ago or whatever, and they're like, oh yeah, that fun book about dragons.
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Like, yeah, should those people go rushing to the store to buy this book and read it immediately?
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Or should they wait until right before book four comes out?
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You know, I've been seeing people online that are just like regular readers say they're not even gonna read it.
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Yeah.
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And I can't disagree.
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Like, do you need to read it or will there be enough context clues in the fourth book to pick up on what you missed?
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So if you're a regular reader.
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Right.
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If you're a regular reader, which I tried to read like this first time around at from that perspective, because I am not a theorizer.
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I do feel like I've gone like deep enough where it's like I'm very interested in the lore and the dragons and the types of dragons and all that stuff.
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But it wasn't something where I was like, oh, I'm reading this from a perspective of I'm on a fucking Easter egg hunt.
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And I thought it was so fun.
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It provides such an interesting view into a lot of the different characters and like why they are who they are.
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But I don't think that that means that you have to read it right now, personally.
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Like I think, like I adored this book, honestly.
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But like I don't, it's not something that I would be like, you have to do it right fucking now or else.
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Like I think it's like if you want to wait until the next book comes out and then like quickly like bang this one out just to get like a quick refresher, but then also to like know a little bit more about the dragons and whatever, like maybe paperback will be out by then and it'll be fucking cheaper.
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And I think that that that would be my recommendation for the average reader because it's like this is I don't know, like it's a collection of short stories that are fun for the general pop, but like that's kind of it, you know.
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Yeah, this isn't me skipping Tower of Dawn and now I'm fucked when her guitar six comes.
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Correct.
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Like, it's gonna be this isn't skipping an entire part portion of the series, a literal 700-page portion of the series.
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This is not that.
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You're gonna be okay if you're gonna be.
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You're gonna be fine.
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But like for the fandom, like absolutely read this right now.
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Put your TBR down, pick this up.
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Again, like Rebecca's writing so immersive.
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I was so lost in this world.
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I was like literally, my eyes were like creaking closed because I was so tired.
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And I was like, one more POV, one more, let me get one more in.
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Like, I was just like, it was so fun to read, and it took me like a day and a half.
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Agreed.
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I totally agree.
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I think for the fandom, you are going to literally eat this up like it's a little piece of delicious catnip.
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Like, it is so fun and it's so interesting, and there's so much in there, and there's so much emotion.
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Like, if you're already so tied to these characters in a way that like you will feel their emotional depth as if it's your own, like you should absolutely read this.
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But I do think for a lot of people, it's like Akatar is about to come out at the end of this month, for example.
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Like, yeah, a lot of people are like probably trying to fuck brush up on that.
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Doing their reread, yeah.
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They might be doing their reread, they might be listening to recaps, they might be trying to like figure out who the fuck is who.
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Like, don't waste a bunch of energy like trying to be in both worlds because that's just like a lot.
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And honestly, you could read Thrashing Day maybe after Avatar if you want just like a little quick dopamine hit after you're done.
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Yeah, you can fit this in whenever.
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Like Cassie's earlier point, like even if you wait to read it like right before book four, like that you'll read it so quickly.
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It's not like you're gonna get like tired of being in that world from reading a notebook.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
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The other thing that I really need to talk about is the audio because they did pull some sneaky, sneaky moves here where they uh put out the like core audiobook with the book release, and it's a full cast narration.
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Actually, it's amazing.
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Like I really enjoyed it.
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You have some like really heavy hit uh narrators in here and it was really good, but they are releasing a graphic audio in two weeks from now that is like the full fucking production, and like that would be so cool because you get all of the dragon noises and people screaming and all of that stuff.
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And so I thought that was really interesting.
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So I'm like, if you are also like an audiobook listener and like maybe you want to tune into this one, I would absolutely wait for the graphic audio because I feel like that will be so cool.
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I agree.
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Okay, let's uh have our final rating and five stars.
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Oh, same.
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I'm like, there's no intro, there's no exit, and five stars.
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Like, we're here where there are this is a five-star book.
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What's that?
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Don't lead the witness.
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Don't lead the witness.
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I agree.
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There's no drum roll here.
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I did give it like such a quick five stars.
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Like, she did such a great job with this book.
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I was blown away, truly.
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Truly.
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Um I know.
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I'm itching, I'm ready to talk spoilers.
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Yeah, I can tell.
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I'm sorry, we're moving on.
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Okay, five stars.
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Let's go, Cassie.
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Weed me in.
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Okay, well, we're gonna get to spoiler territory, clearly.
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So if you have not read this book, come back once you have and we can talk about it.
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If you have read the book, let's fucking go.
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Okay.
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So fucking go.
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Okay, so let's start with our top and our bottom POV, our rose and our thorn P.O.V.
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Oh, yes, of course, of course.
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I actually this is so easy for me to say like my worst ones because for me, it's the way the book opened.
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And I think she did this on the perfect one.
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Okay, okay.
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It was Brennan.
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Yeah.
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It was Brennan for sure, and he's the first chapter of like dragon threshing stories.
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And I was like, this is whatever, but like I think she needed to start on the slower end, and then all the excitement.
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I liked that she went in the chronological order of like oldest threshing to youngest.
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Oh, well, I didn't know that's what she was doing.
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Oh I thought she was doing boring to best.
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I thought she knew what our ranking was.
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Oh gradually, correct, to most recent, which was Eric and Sloan.
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That makes sense.
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Like the millennials are more boring.
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The Gen Z is like a little more chaotic.
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I get that.
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That's that was the reason.
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Yeah.
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Okay, my least favorite, actually, yeah, I know Rihannon's.
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Oh, I did not.
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You didn't know what I was gonna say.
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I thought you were gonna say Sawyer for sure.
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No, Sawyer's like had enough meat for me.
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Rihannon's was so dry toast.
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I was so upset.
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I was like, wait a minute.
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She's such a badass, she's so cool.
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She's like leader from the start, but that's like literally all they were saying the entire fucking chapter was like, you're totally gonna be squad leader next year.
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You're totally gonna be in leadership.
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It's like fucking sick, we know.
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Does she have anything else to her other than being a natural born leader?
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I don't know.
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You know, the only thing that they said in her chapter that gave me anything was like, I'm trying to flip through right now, and it was like something at the end, and it was basically like her and her dragon were like, so we're we're agreeing that we're gonna die together or something like that.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, oh, so they're gonna die in book four.
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So you're dead.
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So you're out.
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Um, but I agree.
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She was right after the um the what do I want to call them?
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The binded.
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The the what?
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The ones that the marked ones?
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The marked ones.
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The binded.
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She was right after the marked ones, and the marked ones were so empathy.
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She was right after Imogen, which was tough.
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I know.
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That was tough.
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I can absolutely empathize with that.
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Like Imogen's chapter was unbelievable.
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Um, so that is hard.
00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:42.480
I can understand.
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However, I was like, what the fuck in the like weird champagne problems in my reading?
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Like, which maybe uh this is rude of me because she was actually the only POV where they were like happy and grateful to go into thrashing.
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Like she was basically skipping onto that flight field and like ready to go on to fucking dragon, like, which is so sweet.
00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:04.720
And like that is amazing for her.
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But I don't know.
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I just like more.
00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.119
When you have 13 stories, they can't all have the same energy, you know?
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Like they can all have to a little vanilla.
00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:15.680
Sure.
00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:19.440
But I'm pissed that it was fucking Rihanna, and that's so annoying.
00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:22.160
I know, but who else was it gonna be?
00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:23.759
I don't know.
00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:24.319
I don't know.
00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:25.039
Sawyer.
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And he was a little vanilla, honestly.
00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:28.640
Again, championship problem, some of them.
00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:29.680
Sure.
00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:30.960
Exactly.
00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:33.759
But our rose go ahead.
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My favorite was Imogen, was my favorite chapter.
00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:40.319
I knew it was gonna be.
00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:51.359
I it was, I know, because I texted Cassie and I was like, Imogen's chapter just had me catapulted back to Onyx Storm, literally reliving everything that happened with Quinn.
00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:56.880
Every time she said Quinn's name, I was like, oh, oh, oh, literally daggers to the heart.
00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.400
And we also loved that chapter in Onyx Storm.
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Like I remember like coming out of it, and we both were like, holy shit, Imogen's movie was amazing.
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And then like to figure out she'd been like so upset about Garrick and she'd actually been like in love with him when she was playing so like bad girl, the whole story.
00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.839
I was like, it was just like so many new sides of her I never expected.
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Totally, totally, I totally agree.
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She's like that one character where it's like she you had no idea she was important until you really knew.
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And now it's like any morsel that I get on her, and like, oh my god, yeah, revolutionary.
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Give me more.
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Who was mine was Sloane's.
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Yeah, that would have been my second one, I think.
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Oh, hers was so well done.
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Oh my god.
00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:54.240
I just got chills thinking about it.
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Oh, I like really want to cry, like literally thinking about it.
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It was just so like the way that she wrote her like grief and like how it was channeled with like rage, but then like how she felt like being the last person in her family.
00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.640
And then like when she bonded with her dragon, and the dragon is so kind to her.
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It's just like, oh my god.
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Uh it was just it was so good.
00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:29.680
She was also just like on this self-harm mission that yeah, I think like maybe we could have alluded to in the other books, but you didn't know how sad she was.
00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.680
Like she was ready to die on that threshing field.
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And just to like understand how deep her pain went, also brought such another level to what she does in Onyx Storm.
00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:42.559
Agreed.
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Because I feel like you read about her in Onyx Storm and you're like, okay, we get it, you're pissed at Violet, like fine.
00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:54.240
And she was like kind of being a little bratty, and like you're obviously reading this from Violet's point of view.
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Yeah.
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And uh this perspective from her, I thought was just it's your point, like it made such a big difference.
00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.559
I also think I loved it because Imogen was also in it.
00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:09.039
So it was kind of a blend, you know, of the vibes because Imogen was my second favorite.
00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:09.359
Right.
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But also, I feel like the Dane aspect of it, I was like, like getting heated over Dane.
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Like, what is happening?
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Eyes here, Mari.
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And I was like, oh and then Rebecca writes, she's like, her eyes snap up, and I'm like, yeah, they did.
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Yeah, they did.
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You bet your ass they did.
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Oh my god, that was throwing me for such a loop.
00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:48.799
I was like, I need to meditate over this, but that, and then the like way that she was talking about her power and like the way that her dragon was talking about her power.
00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:54.720
It's so interesting because like I feel like I've seen online that people are like, Sloan's gonna be the one that changes the tide on this board, whatever.
00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:57.599
But then after reading this, I was like, oh, she for sure is.
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Like, she's gonna be like some huge unlock.
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She's the only one that has power that rivals the same thing as the Benin.
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:04.720
I feel like.
00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:06.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:07.359
Agreed, agreed.
00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:09.119
So yeah, that I loved hers.
00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:15.519
I want to talk about one POV before we get into like all of our details of the story.
00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:21.519
Why do you think not why, but like she let me just jump into it.
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.640
She included Liam as a POV, and the man has passed.
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He is he is in heaven.
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And he he's the only one that doesn't move the story forward in Onyx Storm.
00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:39.440
So, like, why do you think she included Liam as one of the POVs?
00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:51.119
I mean, uh, Liam was also such an integral part in Fourth Wing, you know, and in and in uh Iron Flame, like when he comes back to help Violet or whatever.
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And so I don't know.
00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:59.440
I thought it made a lot of sense because also you're getting such an understanding of like why his loss was so impactful.
00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.000
Like his relationship with Zayden.
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Like you they called each other their brother and whatever, and like they were fostered together.
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But it's like you get such a deeper sense of like what he meant to them and like why he was so important to them.
00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:15.519
So I don't know.
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I really loved that.
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And I love I just love his character.
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So you're like, I just love that he was just hanging out by a tree, whittling some wood, waiting for his fucking dragon.
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:28.160
And that was it.
00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:31.920
So you don't think it's because he's actually alive in book four?
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Uh no.
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:39.119
Uh you don't think it's because him and Deia are both Venom, Venom Dragon, and Venon in book four?
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You don't think Day is the first Venon dragon to ever live?
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In book four.
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Why do you think that?
00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:57.920
Because why would I just feel like all of these, again, Avenger Squad, like why they're all in this book for a reason.
00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.400
They're all in here for a reason, Cassie.
00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.599
Uh, didn't Rebecca say that Liam's not coming back?
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:05.680
Like, didn't she say something to that effect?
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:10.000
Because he might be dead, but he might be a venom.
00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:14.799
And you just said that they were dropping the brother word.
00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:22.000
Oh my god, the amount of times they said brother in this book had my rolling across the floor.
00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.720
They're bro, brav.
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Like liter everywhere, everywhere.
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:32.400
It was brother and trees were the two top words of this book.
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:33.359
Yeah.
00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.000
Okay, so about the brother.
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So, anyways, the brother.
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No, I have something about the trees also.
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One thing at a time.
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About the brother.
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So, you know, I'm reading Garrick's story, and I'm like, okay, brother, brother, brother, brother, brother, brother.
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.839
And then I'm reading Liam's story, and he's like, brother, brother, brother.
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.839
And then we get to Bodhi, and he's like, brother, brother, brother.
00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:02.319
Like, and I was like, I mean, it has to be Bodhi, right?
00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:03.680
It has to be Bodhi.
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:10.079
I I have to say, I was swung to Bodhi's direction after this book.
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.880
I was very on the fence after the first book, or after Onyx Storm.
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.880
Like, I was like, it could be Brennan, it could be so and so, it could be Garrick.
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.960
Like, I am so team Bodhi is the fucking brother.
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:33.680
However, what I'm nervous about, however, what I'm nervous about is like the Violet taking over Tyrandor at the end of Onyx Storm.
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:34.000
Yeah.
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.559
Don't you think that Bodhi needs to be involved in that?
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:41.119
Like, don't you think that means that like they have to kind of like lead together?
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.839
That's what people were saying after Onyx Storm.
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.680
They were like, no, he's just gonna be like the second in line.
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:48.319
Right.
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:54.400
Which to that point, so in Zaydon's chapter, they keep like talking about how his lineage isn't correct.
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:57.599
His grandfather's twin was maybe his real grandfather.
00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:03.200
So like maybe him and Bodhi are a different relation, and they were originally whatever.
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:03.680
Yeah.
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:09.359
And like, does that mean he's the brother, or does that mean he's just closer in line to take the throne?
00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:11.200
Like, what does it mean?
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:12.000
Yeah.
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.039
I thought there was a really interesting quote.
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.480
You know, I wasn't on an Easter egg hunt, but I did see some things.
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:28.720
Uh, there was a quote from Kure Kork, his dragon, that says, I will choose you every day until your death or your demise.
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:31.920
And Bodie says, Aren't those the same things?
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.599
And it's like, no, no, they're fucking not, Brody Bodie.
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:36.160
Brody.
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Brody.
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We're gonna start calling him Brody from now on.
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.920
That is such a good nickname for him because he's the brother.
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:45.039
Because he's the brother.
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.039
If you didn't catch on to that.
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:48.799
He's a brother.
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.599
He's really named Brody after this.
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.000
No, that is such a good point.
00:25:54.160 --> 00:26:00.000
Also, like the amount of times all these dragons were like, when we die, I'm like, holy fuck.
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.400
Okay, that was another thing I needed to talk about.
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:16.160
Uh, the dragons, every chapter were like, you better literally pledge allegiance, not to the flag, not to this person, not to that person, to me, to me as a dragon, and that's that.
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:22.559
And like, I thought that that was so interesting because I'm like, what the fuck are these dragons' agenda?
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.799
Again, I'm like, they're on some like weird side shit that we don't know about.
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:27.279
Right.
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:38.799
And they're like getting all of these writers to bond them and pledge their allegiance to them when it's like, oh, are they just gonna like change sides at random and their writer is just gonna like have to get on board?
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:40.400
Like, what does that mean?
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:48.079
They were so purposeful, which I didn't realize when you were reading Fourth Wing how purposeful they are about who they choose.
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:48.480
Yes.
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:49.599
Yeah.
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:55.200
The dragons are like, no, I am choosing Imogen and not as my person.
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:59.920
I thought it was a little bit more like we didn't know love at first sight kind of thing.
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.720
No, these dragons are shisty.
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:09.039
So I there was a lot of difference uh differences between the chapters of the marked ones versus the Navarians.
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:09.440
Yeah.
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:15.279
The first one was that the marked ones were actually interesting because they like had real fucking problems.
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:22.240
The Navarians are like out here with their champagne problems, like their like weird little insecurities that they have because they didn't do well in school.
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:23.279
It's like shut up.
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:32.319
But the other big difference is that the dragons all for the marked ones knew that they were going to bond them before.
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:38.000
And for the majority of them, they're finding out through Skig Skiv, I'll never be able to say her name.
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:38.480
Sigale.
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:39.680
Seagale.
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.759
They're finding most of it out through Segail, which I thought was very interesting.
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.319
Like she's the queen of the of the group.
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:51.920
I'm like, what why is Segael the fucking Geppetto of all of the dragons?
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.960
And she's just puppeteering everyone's threshing day.
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:59.680
Like all of these marked ones went into Thrashing Day, being like, oh, I know exactly what dragon is waiting for me.
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:00.240
Yeah.
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.240
And they were kind of like, I thought that was so interesting.
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.799
And they kept saying, like, we're picking them because we know they're on our side.
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:14.640
Like the dragons were saying that Segale like was saying, like, we need a marked one because we know their allegiance or whatever.
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.200
And I'm like, what are you guys up to?
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.440
What are you up to?
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.440
You know, I love these dragons because they're just playing fucking 4D chess.
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.440
And I'm like, all of us dumbass humans are just going along with it.
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.680
I mean, it's like, yeah, totally.
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.160
So speaking of the trees, one of the dragons was like, wait for me in a very specific tree.
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:37.039
Yeah.
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.400
It was in um, like Riddick, or was it in Bodhi?
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.799
And it was like his hometown tree.
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:44.799
It was like his hometown tree.
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:45.279
Yeah.
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:54.960
And so, like, they're saying that they put all the different trees in the threshing place because that's how the dragons like know about all the different lands.
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:56.720
Like, what the f are they saying?
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.519
Oh, what are they saying?
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.359
That's interesting.
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.000
I was wondering because you know, I love trees.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:04.799
Yeah.
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:06.240
As we know.
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.119
Yeah.
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.599
And so I was very thrilled about the over-emphasis on trees.
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.640
But I actually did not go to look up like why that was happening.
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:15.920
So that actually makes a lot of sense.
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.960
There was like one sentence where they were like, oh, how did you know that tree was from that land?
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.160
And the dragon was like, You don't think we've flown everywhere?
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:36.400
I do, I am interested though, for all the tin hat people in our audience, if you guys have actual theories around that.
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:42.400
Because I do feel like there has to be more significance than just like dragons using it, like trees as their GPS.
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:48.880
Like there has to be like more to why Rebecca literally used the word tree actually 4,000 times in this book.
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:49.759
I know.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.279
I have zero theory.
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.920
I have zero theory, but there's something to it.
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:55.759
Okay, we'll see.
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.720
The other thing that I thought was really interesting about the dragons is that a bunch of them are fucking lying.
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.759
Like they're just out here being like, Yeah, that's my name.
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.920
And it's like, no, that's literally not your name.
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:06.240
Okay.
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:07.200
Yeah.
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.680
Like Glaine, Imogen's dragon, fully made up an identity.
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:13.200
She said that?
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:13.920
Yes.
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:16.000
She literally was like, I am Glain.
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.920
And Imogen's like, you're literally not.
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.599
She was Oh, because she's like, I know your, I know your old writer, bitch.
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.559
I know your old writer is my fucking grandma, bro.
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:26.640
Like, you're not, what are you talking about?
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.079
And she's like, I am Glaine.
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:32.640
And so Imogen was like, okay, well, I'll keep your secret if you don't like fuck with me.
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.640
And Glaine was like, okay, fine.
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:36.000
So like that was one.
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:39.039
And then another one, I think it might have been Garrick's.
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.119
Yes, this is what I was just about to say.
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.119
His dragon was listed as like 27 years old or something.
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.440
But every time Garrick described him, he's like an older voice.
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.400
I always wanted to bond an older, wiser dragon.
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.720
His uh like membrane of his wings was like super whatever.
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.440
Like, and so I was like, oh, he's older.
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.400
And like that also happened with multiple other dragons.
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.000
So I just thought that was really interesting.
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:05.759
How they're all fucking fibers.
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.279
Krada is the is the guy of Garek's.
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:09.599
Yeah.
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:14.319
I saw people are saying that they also think that he might be an Erid in this.
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:15.279
Oh, right.
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:16.000
Yes.
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:21.039
Because in the book, he's like, when he passes him, he's like hidden in the rocks.
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:27.039
And the only other time you've seen that in the Empyrean series is when Andarna was like hidden like a rock.
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:28.000
True.
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:34.480
And I guess Rebecca said something about because they asked her, like, what dragons have we like not paid attention to that we should?
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.720
And she said Garrick's dragon.
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:37.599
I know.
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:40.240
So I know.
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.240
Again, what are and he actually I'm showing the artwork here.
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.559
He kind of looks more golden than brown, to be honest.
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:49.839
Interesting.
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:51.039
Yeah.
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:52.079
Interesting.
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:52.640
Okay.
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.240
Also, first page in the pine trees.
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:56.799
Uh-oh.
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:00.240
Where are they?
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:02.160
Where in the world are they?
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:16.400
So speaking of the lying though, like, so we've we've now, I think, all collectively decided to finally absorb this information, even though we've known for a while that this that we're being lied to in Fourth Wing.
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.880
That Violet is an unreliable narrator.
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:24.880
But it's not really that Violet is, it's that all of the information she's being given is unreliable.
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:30.319
Through the scribes and people, and all of Fourth Wing is written by Justinia.
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:31.599
Yes.
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:32.319
Yeah.
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.599
Never did I think I was going to be backstabbed by this woman.
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:44.960
So that is why Brennan's chapter was actually not my least favorite because the dad was in it.
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.880
And obviously the dad was like the head of the scribes or whatever before he died.
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.279
But riders are the only people allowed on fucking threshing day.
00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:01.200
But somehow Asher Sorengale all of the sudden gets to show up on his son's threshing day out on the flight field.
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.519
And he's also talking about how dragons love the Soren Gales.
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:12.400
And we also know from Onyx Storm that he like traveled the world a bunch, like collecting whatever data he was collecting.
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:18.319
And I thought that was really interesting because I was like, huh, this is a scribe, the head of the scribes.
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:26.559
And yet he is like very entrenched and entangled with the writers and the dragons in a very interesting way.
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.519
I thought it was just nepotism.
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.559
I don't think so.
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.920
So what do you think his deal is?
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:36.720
I don't know.
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:52.079
I think either either he like is literally bonded to a dragon and people just don't know, or he has like some sort of agreement with the dragons where like he's able to like collect knowledge from them or whatever.
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:59.599
Cause like it did feel like he had like too much of an understanding of the dragon situation, where I was like, You're not a writer, like you're not supposed to know this.
00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:08.079
Like the threshing day in any sort of dragon lore is only supposed to be delivered from writers, and like and yet you know a lot of things.
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:09.039
I know.
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:15.760
Honestly, all of the parents and all of the lineage are so confusing to me after this novella.
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.079
Oh my god, Zaydan's chapter.
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:18.960
Yeah.
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:20.800
What the f what is that about?
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.360
I actually need to go back to it because I'm trying to remember.
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.519
So he originally thought that it was like his grandfather.
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.960
So he thought he was writing his grandfather's dragon.
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.119
And then we find out that it maybe actually wasn't his grandfather.
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:36.320
Yeah, it's his grandfather.
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:37.440
No, that is twin.
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:38.719
Yes.
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.360
So we get that confirmed literally, what, like the last page of his chapter?
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:43.920
Yeah.
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:44.800
Is that right?
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:45.679
Yeah.
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.639
Um, and it's a character that we've literally never heard of.
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.280
We've never heard his name spoken aloud before.
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.679
And I was like, wait a minute, what?
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:56.800
But I don't understand.
00:34:57.679 --> 00:34:59.280
The downstream effect of it.
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.079
I'm like, I've got into like so they're great grandparents.
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.840
They're talking about how maybe his dad wasn't the rightful heir to Tyrandor.
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.320
But then because of this.
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:12.079
Brody would have been.
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:12.960
Brody.
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:18.719
That means Brody is the rightful heir.
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:19.440
Potentially.
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:20.239
Who knows?
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:26.800
Maybe he's gonna get really freaking sour and throw Vic Victoria.
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:27.840
I just called her Victoria.
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:28.559
Victoria.
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:29.119
Violet!
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:29.760
Victoria!
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.280
Throw Violet off the throne, maybe.
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:35.440
Uh, maybe.
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:44.800
But I did think that was interesting because I think it was um Alec, the one of the other royal brothers whose brother was.
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.559
Yeah, Ary's older brother.
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:47.599
Yeah.
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:56.000
Um, he says something about how Zaydan's dad was like uh an imposter or something and like wasn't the rightful heir.
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:01.440
We've we then find out that this other person is involved and that we have no idea about them.
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.360
So I'm like, I don't know how his like lineage comes into play here.
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:11.760
Then like if someone else can like claim the throne while he's a venom and he's gone, and like Violet's gonna have to figure that out.
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:12.400
Like, I don't know.
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.599
Politicking, politicking, politicking.
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:24.880
But so I feel like it's been floating around the universe that like Violet's mom or dad is maybe a venon, and people are still talking about that.
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:31.039
But have you seen people talking about how they think Dane's mom was a venom?
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:32.159
No.
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:41.440
Yeah, because in the one of in his chapter or Sloan's chapter, when they're looking in the eye, they said there's an amber fleck in his eyes.
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:42.079
Huh.
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:49.199
And then he's the only one, which we should talk about, the only one that doesn't bleed on threshing day.
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:50.719
Interesting.
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:58.320
And it's like his dragon, his dragon wouldn't want him to bleed because then he all the dragons would know he's been it.
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.519
I was literally eye rolling Dane's entire chapter, so I have no idea.
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.920
He was such a whiny little bitch baby the entire time.
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.079
I was like, Can you get me out of here?
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:11.519
I'm so done with this.
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.920
But then he shows up in Sloane's chapter and you're like, And then it's like he's hot.
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:17.280
I'm like, oh, okay.
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.840
But you know, he grew up.
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.679
He had a c he had a few years on him, so we respect that.
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.599
Um what do we know about his mom that she's just dead?
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.519
I think so.
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:31.679
Or is she like somewhere else?
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:34.400
I don't know.
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:44.559
To your point, all of these like weird family lines and ties and whatever, I think I don't know that we're gonna get that much out of that in book five.
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:45.039
Who knows?
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.800
We need a family tree and I need an X on who's alive.
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.199
And who's missing?
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:52.000
Yes.
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:53.039
Question mark two.
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.159
Who is actually confirmed dead.
00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:06.800
Another thing that I just saw when I was scrolling for Zaden's chapter, um, he him and Eric both in their chapters, when their dragons are like, what's your mission?
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:07.760
What's your goal?
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:11.360
They both are like, we want to burn this fucking kingdom to the ground.
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:25.360
And I thought that that was really interesting that they both bonded blue dragons and both of them have this mission to literally take down Navarre and like both of their dragons are like, Great, we're bonded after that.
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:25.840
Yeah.
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.920
So it's like the blue dragons specifically hate Navarre.
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:42.159
I guess, but I'm also like, again, what what what side missions are have these dragons been on for like years or centuries or whatever that we are about to find out about?
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:49.440
I literally can't think of anything besides like maybe the venom aren't actually bad and the dragons know.
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.679
Like, I can't even think of like anything that it could be.
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.280
I I don't know.
00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:58.639
It's so interesting though.
00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.440
Okay, I know.
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:10.159
I have to literally talk about something for a really long time, and that is that I think that Garrick is about to be a literal book husband.
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:17.440
Like he's not a book boyfriend, he's not like a shadow daddy, he's not like no no no no no no no no.
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:24.800
Like this, this man is like for life, and that's yes, because he was actually giving like real human traits.
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.639
So like he was like, I will wait for you.
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.000
No, it takes, I wrote you.
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.480
I want I tried my hardest to get to you.
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:40.800
Like they were like very human emotions that you're like, if a man, a man could say that to me in real life, and if he did, I would simply faint.
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:41.840
100%.
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:48.719
I think Garrick was the most like this is like healthy care that he has for someone.
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:55.599
Like he is like truly yearning, like he is like genuinely in pain over his love for Imogen.
00:39:56.079 --> 00:40:03.760
Like he has he's felt this for decades, like since they were literal children, and he's just been like biding his time.
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.559
And like he's not hiding anything either.
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.360
Like he's not like playing any games with her at all.
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.000
Like he's like out in the open about all of his feelings.
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:13.519
He's fully admitting it to himself.
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:14.880
Like he's not hiding from himself.
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:17.119
I was like, oh my god.
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.280
Yeah, a man that knows his own emotions.
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.679
We need a book on these two, like fucking yesterday.
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.000
Talk about uh a novella that we need.
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.000
It's on these two, or maybe a full book.
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:30.400
I don't know.
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.159
Maybe we need a full Tower of Dawn on just these two because oh my god.
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:43.199
I literally, I borderline would like to read more about them than I do even want to know about like what's about to happen with Violet and Zayden.
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:44.159
Like 100%.
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.320
I think I care way less about that.
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:53.360
What if we get a switch up like a uh Court of Silver Flame switch up where like Greg and Imogen become the characters?
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:54.800
Give it to me.
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.599
Yeah, I will take it and I will eat it up.
00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:58.480
Oh my god.
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.159
And like I love Imogen too.
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.519
Like she's like kind of giving me Nesta vibes as well.
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.800
So like I okay, but am I crazy?
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.880
Did I think that her and Quinn were in love in Onyx Storm?
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.360
Oh, I did not think that.
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.079
They were just best friends, they were just best friends.
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:17.840
Do people think that about us?
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:23.920
Potentially, potentially there's there's space for that.
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.599
There's space for that.
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.639
But I thought she was bisexual.
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.719
Oh, I didn't think that.
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:38.960
Well, I knew that Quinn was uh Quinn is queer, but like I didn't I didn't think that her and Imogen were ever together.
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:39.519
I was confused.
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:40.800
Oh, I was confused by that.
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:48.880
So I was a little thrown by how into Garrick she was in this book because I had that in the back of my mind, but now it makes a lot more sense.
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.519
When she's like lusting after him, it was like, oh girl.
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:54.639
I know.
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.800
And since childhood, and she's like, I waited for you.
00:41:58.960 --> 00:41:59.840
I waited for you.
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.400
And he's like, I tried my hardest to get you.
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:03.360
Like, that's real pain.
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:07.199
Could never.
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.960
Oh my god, I literally can't.
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:19.280
Also, uh the signets we have to talk about because people are saying that they their signets might be actually coming from like their deepest desires.
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:20.000
I know.
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:25.039
And people are saying Garrick manifested his signet from his desire to get to Imogen.
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:26.559
I know.
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:33.360
And then they're saying that Imogen manifested hers because she's making Garek uh forget that they're in love.
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:34.880
Oh no.
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:41.280
Like that is Romeo and Juliet.
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:44.480
That is true like romance.
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:49.280
Like true, like oh my god, tragedy, pain, heartbreak.
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:50.480
Oh my god.
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:51.840
I need to read that.
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.440
I need so much more of it.
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:54.320
I can't.
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.199
Is Garrick missing at the end of Onyx Storm?
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.119
He's the one nobody knows where he is.
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:00.880
I think he was missing.
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.960
Yeah, because he like winged off somewhere and he was like so tired.
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:05.519
Yeah.
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.400
After he after he found Imogen and like brought her to whatever like safe house they had.
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:12.159
He was like exhausted.
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:12.880
Yeah.
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:14.400
Yeah, you're right.
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.360
So I'm like, is he gonna be in book four?
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:18.960
Like, do we know where he is?
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:32.079
That's the only thing where I'm like, maybe he could be the brother because someone had said, I just saw this online, so this needs to be fact-checked, but someone said that his dragon's name actually translates to like pain.
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:37.119
And since we're talking so much about this like tragic love story, I'm like, maybe he is the brother.
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:46.239
And like maybe he turns Venon and like Imogen, like had to reconcile with that as a part of all of this like 12 hour period that we don't know anything about.
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.039
His dragon's name means pain.
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:49.760
Yeah.
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:51.199
Interesting.
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.440
So do all of the dragon names mean something?
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:54.239
I think so.
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:55.840
Oh, I gotta look that up.
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:56.719
I don't know.
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:57.360
Ooh.
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:58.480
Can we get that?
00:43:59.280 --> 00:43:59.679
Imogen.
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.679
Okay, he turns into the brother.
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.840
Imogen uses her powers to erase his memory so he forgets he's Venn.
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:06.719
Okay.
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:08.639
And then he just lives his eyes.
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:10.559
And then he just lives his life with red eyes.
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:10.880
I don't know.
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:11.440
It's chill.
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.039
And he's like in a mirror.
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:14.480
Constantly tired.
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:15.199
Yeah.
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.119
I'm exhausted.
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:19.199
Oh my God.
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.559
I do, I thought the signet manifesting was so interesting.
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:31.440
I also thought that the um the fact that the majority of the writers like had their like pull from their dragons well before thrashing day was really interesting.
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:33.119
I'm so confused by that.
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.960
I was, it gave me a new appreciation for Violet, I do have to say.
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.320
I'm like, that girl went into that flight field blind.
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.159
Like literally, she had no idea what was what was about to happen to her.
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.519
She knew there were cadets after her, and she knew that she might get fried by a dragon, and that was literally it.
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:55.599
And I'm like, all of these other people went in with like some sort of a semblance of an idea of like what was gonna happen.
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:02.719
And do you think it was from presentation day, or do you think that these dragons are just like mind speaking to them at random?
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:14.079
So I feel like the majority of them it was from presentation day, but a lot of them they were like at random, like just feeling these pull and like uh like having dreams about their dragons, which I thought was interesting.
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.000
But how do the dragons know about again, these dragons?
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:18.400
What are they?
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:19.199
These dragons.
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:20.800
What are they up to?
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.440
These shisty dragons insane.
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:24.559
Okay, wait.
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:28.800
Let me hear this question about your what dragon you think you would be with.
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.480
Because I don't know what any of the colors mean.
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:33.840
So I'm Googling it right now.
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.000
So which one do you think you are?
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:37.679
Oh, hang on.
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:42.800
Should we place each other with a dragon before we place ourselves?
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:44.639
I think I know yours.
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:46.320
I think you do too.
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:46.800
Go ahead.
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.159
I think if you bonded with a dragon in threshing, you would bond with an orange dragon.
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.800
Oh okay, okay, okay.
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:58.559
I don't that was not my first call, but I don't disagree.
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.599
I think you are such an orange dragon writer.
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.599
Like I'm so unpredictable.
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:11.440
No, not because you're unpredictable, but I feel like you enjoy an unpredictable partner.
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.679
You know, like you enjoy someone who's gonna like keep you on your toes a little bit.
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:23.039
And I feel like when you do want to be unpredictable, you don't want someone who's like being like logical chirping in your ear.
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:31.760
Okay, I can see what you're saying because they do say that in the book that you should like bond like opposites are better, like in bonding, kind of.
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:40.239
But if I was like thinking about myself, like just like which one matches me specifically, I was going brown.
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.599
I did think brown for you, like that you would say that for yourself.
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:44.880
Because I just like dependable.
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.440
So dependable, reliable, yeah.
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:48.800
Loyalty.
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:50.559
Yeah, yeah, agreed.
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.599
But I think that's too vanilla for you, honestly.
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:54.320
Okay.
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:57.119
I I agree with that.
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:03.840
No, I actually think like I do have this side to me that would be on an orange, and I would absolutely fuck shit up.
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:04.639
Totally.
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:14.719
I think like if you were a dragon rider and you're like, every day could be my last, I'm out to save the world, whatever, like you're not gonna do that on a brown.
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:15.840
No.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.639
I actually know which one you are.
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.280
I think that you would be a green.
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.840
Whoa! Yeah, really?
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:40.159
Yes, because they're like the highly intelligent, like elder energy, like they're being like, they're really thinking through everything like strategically.
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:46.639
And you on a green dragon, and you guys would be a force on the battlefield.
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:47.199
Wow.
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:57.679
Like where I would just be like busting through doors, like you guys would be like thinking so methodically about like you what you're gonna do, and you would be the ones that ultimately save the day.
00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:59.039
Oh, interesting.
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:10.880
I actually this is gonna sound so terrible, but I really thought that a blue would be my best compliment, honestly, because I feel like I can be very like conservative and scared.
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:21.440
And I feel like if I had a blue who was like, nope, we're gonna fucking do this and we're gonna be so cutthroat about it, it would like give me permission to bring that side out of me.
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.199
Because I have that side.
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.000
I just need someone to like help me do that, you know.
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:26.960
I see what you're saying.
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:37.679
It's kind of like similar to the green where it's like if you had something that was giving you permission to like use your full potential, you would they would be like a good compliment to you.
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.559
Where like green like already matches your potential.
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:41.360
Yeah.
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.639
You just want to be on a blue because you know they're up to something.
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.119
Also, that like I would want to be in on whatever plot they have.
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:51.920
Also, I'd be like, let's do this.
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:57.760
If 13-year-old Cassie was on a threshing day floor, she would definitely be with a red.
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:06.960
She would be insane, she would be literally fucking around with everything.
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.719
That's why I couldn't pick a red for myself because I was like, uh me and a red would be so unhinged.
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:18.800
Like, at least a blue is like unhinged, but like in a way that's like, you know, critical, ruthless, strategic.
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.880
Like they like know when they should bring it out.
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.280
Like the reds are just like, let's go fuck shit up.
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.280
And I would be too excited to do that.
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:27.360
You guys would die immediately.
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:32.239
You on a red would be down immediately, and then you'd both look at each other and be like, what happened?
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:33.440
And I would be on my own.
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:34.320
Why are we here?
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:41.199
Brown next to you being like, you both didn't think through any of that.
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:44.159
100%.
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.400
That would be you at 13.
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:49.360
It's so true.
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:51.599
Me at 13 would be a red.
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:56.000
Me at whatever they are at threshing day would, I believe, be a blue.
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:57.519
But also, I'll take a green.
00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:58.079
I wouldn't.
00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.360
I could see green too.
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:06.320
You know, green is giving to me like uh also being like a griffin door, which like I always associate with that as well.
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:06.800
That's true.
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.280
Orange actually does make so much sense for me.
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:10.880
It literally is so perfect for you.
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:12.320
I can't believe you picked a brown.
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.480
I'd be too soft on a brown.
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:15.360
You would.
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:16.400
You literally would.
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.800
I'm telling you, like, if you were on a brown, you would just be like flitting around in the air.
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.880
I don't think anybody wants to be an orange because Jack Barlow's an orange.
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.039
So like nobody wants to be an orange.
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:28.639
But so is Riddick.
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:29.440
Imogen.
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:30.559
Imogen.
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:34.239
Glenn! Imogen.
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.360
See, I can see you being, I could see you being with Glade.
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:41.360
All of this is making me want to like reread this already so bad.
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:50.800
But I actually do think it's also really making me want to reread Fourth Wing now with like all of this knowledge of like what everybody else has going on in their heads.
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:52.159
That's my other question.
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:59.440
Now, having read this versus Fourth Wing, I feel like I came out of Fourth Wing being like thrashing is a walk in the park.
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.760
Fucking Violet got lucky, whatever.
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:02.880
She's such a baby.
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:06.400
However, after reading this book, I was like, damn.
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.400
So do you think that you could actually survive Thrashing Day after reading this?
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:15.440
Could I actually survive Threshing Day?
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.599
I've learned a lot in this book.
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.679
You keep your eyes down, you don't walk into harm.
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.360
But prior to reading this book, no, I was toast.
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.159
I was literally incinerated as soon as my feet walked into that pine forest.
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.960
Oh, so now you think that you would survive after threshing?
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:36.800
I feel more prepared by this uh companion novel.
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.320
It's like a guide to how to survive threshing day.
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.719
I think that after reading this, I'm less likely to survive because I had so many questions.
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.039
I was like, some of these dragons want you to look them straight in the eye and be like, fuck you.
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:50.559
And then they bond you.
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:55.519
Do you think that you would have been cool enough that a dragon would have picked you before Thrushing Day?
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:57.599
Oh, like I would have been a marked one?
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:58.480
Yeah.
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.239
I don't know, maybe.
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:01.280
Maybe, maybe.
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:02.480
I could tell for you.
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.360
I like to think that about myself, I suppose.
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:07.519
I think I would be more like violent.
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:15.599
I would just be like walking on the threshing field and I would be like trying to do everything, trying to do that, and then I would like randomly come upon my dragon.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.400
Based on what I saw, I really think that I would be like very distracted by the trees, though.
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:21.280
So okay.
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.159
So do you think you would survive?
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.079
Uh I don't know.
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:27.519
I think it would be a gamble.
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.320
I think if I was a marked one, I would survive.
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.760
But if I wasn't a marked one TBD, I might die.
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.320
I actually really do think you would be a marked one.
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.559
Like you're not really one to just like go along with like the normal protocol.
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.920
Yeah, but that would have been like based on my family, you know.
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:48.079
So like my family would have had to be like in Tyridor or something.
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.039
Your dad would have been in Tyrandoor, I'm telling you.
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.679
Your dad would have absolutely been in Tyrandoor.
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.000
I'm gonna tell him that.
00:52:58.159 --> 00:52:58.400
Yeah.
00:52:58.880 --> 00:52:59.519
It's a compliment.
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:00.000
It's a compliment.
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.199
It is a huge compliment.
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:02.400
It's a massive compliment.
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:02.960
Oh my god.
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:03.440
Okay.
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.920
Well, that book was fucking awesome.
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:07.519
I'm really happy that she did that.
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:08.559
Go, Rebecca.
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:09.039
We love you.
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:09.840
So fun.
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:10.480
So fun.
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:11.519
Um, okay.
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:18.400
Next week I think we're talking about our September reading wrap-up and what we're gonna read in October.
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.199
And honestly, spooky month.
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:22.800
September was a great fucking month.
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:23.679
I had a great time.
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:27.760
So I'm really excited to talk about it because there were some bangers that we have for you guys.
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.239
Okay, they're gonna want to come back to hear that.
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:30.880
Mm-hmm.
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:31.599
That's right.
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:32.159
All right.
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.960
Well, in the meantime, we'll see you same time, same place, scar your blankets, grab your book boyfriends, and we'll see you then.
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:37.760
See ya.