388 - Michael Hanson - Falling Temps & Big Fish

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Welcome to another episode of Backlash Podcast. This week we're going to talk
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to Michael Hansen, Namakoggan Area Guide Service.
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And Michael primarily guides in northern Wisconsin, but he's been playing around
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a little bit in Minnesota. So we'll kind of hit both places.
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Hopefully many of you are still out on the water chasing muskies.
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I know we see it in sails, things are starting to dip, but the weather's still
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beautiful. Michael, you know, I appreciate you coming on this morning and helping
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me out with this podcast. So thanks for coming on.
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Oh, no, thanks for having me, Jeff. So it's good chatting with you.
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What are you seeing out there on the water these days as far as like pressure?
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Are you seeing less people?
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You know, there's definitely less people.
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But it seems like at least in my area up here, we get a big push of guys that
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do come up for the first couple weeks of October.
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So, I mean, it's down a little bit, but there's still a good amount of people
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out pounding the waters around here, which is good.
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We like seeing the, seeing the resorts filled up and the restaurants being visited
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by all the folks that make their way into the area. Yeah.
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I'm sure there's many that are, you know, many of those businesses like you
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spoke of, they're, they're thankful for the extra, the extra season. Right.
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I know that. I mean, heck. Absolutely. Even if you're not fishing right now,
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you're just out enjoying the weather. I mean, it's 82 degrees here today as we record this. Yeah.
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I would say it's typically a pretty crazy stretch for October,
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but honestly, the way things have been the last handful of seasons,
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this is pretty normal for October. Actually, we always see this,
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you know, this weird warmup.
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I always tell people, you know, like you want to see this nice curve, right?
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You want to see the, you go from October or, you know, your summer peaks,
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like just slowly dropping off. I don't want to see, I don't want to see a daily
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where the water temperatures start to increase, especially in October.
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And obviously we're starting to see that now, I would assume.
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I'm guessing it's not a lot because the nights have still been cold,
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but, you know, from your, if you get on the water in the morning and you get
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off in the afternoon, there's got to be a three, four degree for sure surface
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temperature increase, I'd imagine, huh?
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Absolutely. You know, at least, you know, we didn't see it that hard,
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but we only had a two or three day warmup up here.
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So, and yeah, it was, it was significantly hotter, but we had big,
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big winds and all it really did was just kind of mix it all up a little bit.
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So, yeah, it did climb a little bit, but nothing too, too crazy.
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But it did negatively impact the fishing like it usually does.
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It makes for, you know, those nice weather days make it tougher on the fish.
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But overall, I cannot remember, you know, within the past three,
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four years of having a normal September, kind of like what you were saying,
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where we had a nice gradual drop.
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And, and like you also said, we, we expect to have a warmup.
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I, I probably still expect to have an 80 degree day in November.
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You never know up here now. So, but overall, this is one of the better falls
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that we've had as far as just a nice progressive drop on water temps. Right.
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Yeah. I would say up until recently, it was, that's what it was.
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It was just a nice steady decline. Perfect. What you're looking for.
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Much like you talked about, I had, I was at a football game last week and somebody
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was like, well, are you going to go fishing this weekend? I'm like,
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eh, I'm not really super interested in it. And they're like,
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well, why? It'll be a really nice day. And I'm like, yeah, it'll be a nice day
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on the water. It'll be awesome.
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But it's not going to be, it's not always the most productive.
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Whenever I feel like the water is doing or the, or the weather is doing things
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that it shouldn't necessarily do during that time of year.
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Obviously there's a few exceptions to the rule. I'd say like cold fronts in
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August, not necessarily a bad thing, but you know, if like, if you have a really
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hot spring, like early season, like we start the season off and you get like
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some really hot, warm spells.
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Doesn't always bode well you you want just that steady seasonal temperatures
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to make for best muskie fishing but you know there's,
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there's varying degrees of that right i mean there's the outlier muskies do
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whatever muskies want to do so the only way to really catch them is just get
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out there and and start chucking and it sounds like you guys have been doing that,
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yeah yeah absolutely i mean you can't you can't pick your best weather days
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and stay busy at the same time you just got to go with the flow and.
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And kind of switch things up based on how the fish want it typically when we
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have those big warm-ups this late in the year i tend to go a little bit deeper
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it seems like those fish don't want to move too too,
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bottom when that happens so we just slow everything down and stay out a little
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bit deeper not everything's up shallow like you know people think,
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there's plenty of fish sitting out in that 20 to 25 foot range and you know
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just as many of them sitting up in one to two feet of water so,
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you just kind of got to play around with it when those times get a little tough,
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so at this time of year when you're fishing in that 20 25 degrees like how deep
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are you trying to typically get your baits down how far will the fish react
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on that kind of stuff are you in what's what's the tools of choice i guess i would say,
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you know it's a lot of throwing a lot of rubber during that time and with the
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water temperatures the way that they are it's it's dumb to not have a sucker out,
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So, I just tend to keep that sucker down a little bit deeper as far as like,
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you know, five to seven feet off the bottom.
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Normally, I like to keep them up a lot higher when the weather's better to get
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those fish to chase a little bit more. But when those fish are glued to the
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bottom like that, they don't seem to want to move too, too far to get a meal.
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Work spots even slower and just making sure that our baits are getting down
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there and staying down there so we're not really ripping the rubber more longer
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pulls counting the baits down too is a big deal,
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and then again working wind jerk baits as well just,
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weighted down pretty good so that they stay in that deeper water column for
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a longer time tend to get a few more bites that way when the weather decides
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it's going to be too nice for,
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them i ask this question all the time michael i know you probably throw dogs
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and you throw deuces how do you choose between one or the other,
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you know i i tend to do more medusas up shallower i,
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i don't care how hard you work a husky or a monster though when you're up shallow
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if it's a regular sink not the shallow version that bait will get down five
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to six feet no matter how hard you are ripping it but,
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it seems like i can keep it at that six foot level for a lot easier than a bulldog would,
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during the times where i am fishing out a little bit deeper this time of year
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i tend to throw a lot more dogs i can work them slower they stay in that water
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column a little bit better they don't they don't dive too too fast based on
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how you're working them, but,
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yeah, I just, I've always done better on dogs later on in the year,
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you know, and throwing beavers and stuff like that too, but.
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That's not to say you can't catch them on a do so, but. That's a bait I don't
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hear mentioned real often is a beaver.
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You, what's the, what's the, you know, I guess your, your cadence,
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what's your retrieve like with that? Are you adding additional weight to it?
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Is there a particular one that you like more than another one?
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Yeah, typically I, I really, only in Wisconsin, I throw them late, late in the fall.
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And we've caught a lot of fish late in the fall on those beavers over the past few years.
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And I've talked to Brian about it you know it's not like they don't work for
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me any other time of the year but it just really shines the later it goes and
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I keep them pretty heavy you know running around one and a half two ounces on the front and then I,
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I put on a one-eighth ounce bell sinker where you would tie your leader to the
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bait itself just on the split ring on a standalone
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I watched that in a video I believe Austin Wigerman did that I hope that's correct
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where that And that weight when you're running it has a nice little knock.
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It hits into the head of that beaver a little bit.
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So it helps call them in a little bit more. But, you know, we're just working
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them slow. Nothing crazy, nothing too erratic.
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I always like to do long pulls on them, you know, where I'm sweeping that rod
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about three to four feet.
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And it's not a fast pull by any means.
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And I really like to keep the slack out of the line as far as like when I'm reeling that bait down.
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I want that or the slack out of the bait I want their the bait to stay in one
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spot but I don't want to give it too much slack to where it's diving down.
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That way I can keep it at a certain depth throughout the entire length of the
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cast if that makes sense kind of like crankbaits too I do that a lot late late
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in the fall just long long pulls and when I'm reeling up that slack keep it kind of taught,
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not too taught to where the bait's moving but just enough to where that wooden
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bait isn't going to fly up due to the amount of slack that's in the line sure that makes sense.
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Like, let's kind of jump back a little bit. So I kind of want to cover the entire
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season a little bit. How would you say, like, if you had to rate it,
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how are you going to rate your season for this year? Like, what are you seeing
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on the water the entire year? How's it been?
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Yeah, you know, it's been okay. I would rate it like a 7 out of 10.
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It's definitely had better years over the past.
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But you know it all it all depends on how that fish is hooked and if you can
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get it to the boat or not biting wise it was a great year we had a lot of bites
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a lot of nipping fish unfortunately,
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you know and you get new anglers in the boat or even experienced anglers and
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something goes wrong and you know it's.
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That's musky fishing but overall the bite was good but catches overall catches
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and getting him into the net we're down,
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a little bit more than years past but it's gonna happen yeah so there's still
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plenty of fish to be caught,
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you know obviously we've beaten this dead horse a million times right stockings
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down angling pressures up so you know catch rates might suffer a little bit
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but overall you know you'd say being out on the water all the time like there's
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still plenty of fish to be caught on the water,
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there's plenty of fish and you know it's And especially,
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you know, over the years of running a live scope late in the fall and just watching
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a sucker, you know, not necessarily driving around sniping muskies.
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But we were fishing classic areas, having tons of fish coming up.
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And then it's like, well, let's try this area that doesn't look as good.
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It's still a steep drop off. It's no deep rock, sand, junk weeds nearby.
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Let's try that. And the amount of fish that are in these lakes, there's plenty of them.
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And yeah you know they're smart i really don't doubt how smart these animals
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can be most of the times and,
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you got to fool them at the right times and if you're not there at the right
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place at the right time throwing the right lure the right way it wants it you're
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going to go right past that fit so.
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You know my experience i think there's plenty of muskies up here,
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do we want more do we want it to continue to go in that direction,
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obviously more is always better, but there's people should not shy away from,
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visiting Northern Wisconsin due to the fact that,
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stocking numbers have gone down a little bit. By any means, I wouldn't say that.
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Well, let's talk about smart. So you said something there that these fish are
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smart. And in some ways, I will agree with you. Kind of like smart,
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like my golden retriever is smart, right?
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There's certain things that my golden retriever does, and you would think he
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doesn't have a brain at all. And then you're like, oh, wait,
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maybe he does actually have a brain.
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So to tie that into muskies, I'm just curious. So you mentioned live scope a
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little bit. I don't want to get into the debate on that. That's not something
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I care to talk about too much on here.
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Do you think that muskies would become conditioned to that or not?
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Come conditioned to the live scope? Yeah.
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I mean, the same way that I guess they could become conditioned to any type
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of sonar. Is that something that you think about? Is that something you worry
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about? Like, what do you think? What do you think about that?
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I think that trolling motor disrupts more bites now more than ever.
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I really do those trolling motors even the new brushless ones they are loud
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and those fish if they hear that thing going on and off on and off or you know that,
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it's constantly going i know a lot of people like to do consistent mode on it
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i am not for that but you know if you're turning into the wind and it's that
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blades catching that current wrong it'll throw a weird vibration in there,
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i really think the trolling motors screw up more fish catches than anything nowadays.
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That's interesting that you you're not a you're not a constant huh you're you're
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on off on off on off with the with the power on it,
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yep yep i like to do the momentary myself and you know and i've done days and
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days up here with you know where i know where there's fish,
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and i'll i'll run through those spots with absolutely no sonar going whatsoever
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you know and work the area good juicy conditions,
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like the time that they should bite and then you go and do it again and this
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time you turn on all your sonar units and they're everywhere and they're just not biting,
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you know and i've done that multiple times even this year up in minnesota i
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ran a live scope off the side of the boat for the first two days I was up there just to kind of get,
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and I a good path down to where the weed edge was because I didn't want to be
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on top of the weeds too too much I didn't want to
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be too far away from them and then once I got that pattern down I stopped even
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bringing the live scope in the boat and catch rates didn't change whatsoever,
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when they were going they were going and when they weren't they weren't,
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I've talked about this on numerous podcasts in the past, this season for sure.
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Are you finding moon windows are a major factor this season,
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or is that something that you just go fishing and, I guess, hope for the best?
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Especially in Wisconsin, I just go fishing and hope for the best.
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I run a lot of long days up here, so we cover a lot of those periods.
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And I always try to be on the best spots at all times regardless.
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Us but in minnesota definitely in this year seemed like any time just before
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that major or just after the major was hot,
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we did not have any significant impacts on,
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fish behavior due to the moon rise itself you know like what you would think
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is like the prime time especially my last trip over to minnesota it seemed like
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once that moon rose it was over,
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and i don't get it if there was clouds at night, we tended to put a few more
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fish in the boat, but if it was a clear night and that moon was coming out, it was done, over. Yeah.
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And sometimes that I'm not, I'm not going to say I'm not a believer in the moon. I am.
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But I will say like, if you pay, like if you were to just fish an entire season,
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don't look at moon phases.
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I'm just curious what your catch rate and like how things like your cat,
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like if you logged at all, how it would play out knowing what you,
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like, all right, you know, like you just go fish the season,
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don't pay any attention to it and then see how it plays out versus,
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you know, knowing what all the moon phases are.
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Because sometimes I wonder if we don't fish harder, put it on your best spots,
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all that kind of stuff, just because there's a moon phase. Does that make any sense?
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No, no, I totally get that. This is a good way to look at it,
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Jeff. When I was up in Minnesota, like the lake would empty out after a primary
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major minor. I mean, it was done.
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And if we had a killer moon set, you know, it was full moon up there,
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like there was people out there before us fishing that, and they were leaving,
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and they said it was garbage.
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And then we went out there, pounded away all day, and saw an unbelievable amount of giant fish.
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And we were pretty much the only ones out there. I think more people are just
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focusing on those times.
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And if it works out, of course, you're going to believe in the moon even more.
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And I'm in your boat, I still pay attention to the moon. But is it an end all
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be all? Absolutely not. But I've seen some magical things during moons.
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And I've seen some absolute, you know, I call them major disappointments.
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Yeah. And like I said, I, I'm not, I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist,
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right? I believe in the moon, but I also sometimes wonder if it's not a little
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self-fulfilling prophecy, right?
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Oh yeah. I caught, I caught one during the moon. Well, you were on what you
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consider to be your A spot, or if you had a fish located or,
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you know, you're not taking a break, you're not eating a sandwich,
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you're fishing hard during that time.
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You know if you if you could remain you know had that same intensity throughout
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the course the entire course of a day I wonder you know what would happen as
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far as that stuff's concerned I don't know that's just me like just thinking
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about the sport in general right,
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no absolutely and that's what kind of blew my mind when I was in Minnesota I
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mean it was the lack of muskie anglers on the waters we were fishing up there
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was just it was unbelievable I mean,
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we were having most of these lights to ourselves and like i said you see them
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show up for the prime moon phases and they were gone once it was over,
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and you know we had some really great days up there and we had some really bad
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days out in there and some of the bad and the bad days were strictly because
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it was bad weather i mean it got too nice out and the fish just kind of shut down.
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You know, Michael, since you do fish over in Minnesota, I'm just curious,
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like, what's your thoughts on the Minnesota fisheries?
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Because obviously, let's just say, oh, I don't know, we got to go maybe back
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to like 10 years. And everybody was like, Minnesota, Minnesota,
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Minnesota, you got to follow what Minnesota does. It might even be farther than 10 years.
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This is how it's supposed to be done. Everything's better in Minnesota.
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Like, is that still the case? Because I don't know. I don't fish Minnesota,
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so I can't give you a yes or no answer. But I'm just curious what your thoughts on it.
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Is minnesota still like the mecca of musky fishing you know it's man it's,
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i i love my greenies over here that's why i still that's why i live here and
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i like to treat minnesota like those three or four times i slide over there
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throughout the season it's a treat,
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before i moved up to northern wisconsin this was a treat to come up here and
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like that drive up to northern wisconsin was one of the best drives you could ever take,
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but you know i i still think minnesota has every bit of you know really great
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muskie fisheries over there and the only real difference over there is you know,
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i would say the activity of the muskie's boat side is more exciting more figure
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eights more follows and overall just seeing more and more,
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big big fish rather than kind of sifting through the classic northern Wisconsin
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ones where you really, really got to grind it out to find a legitimate 30 plus pounder.
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I mean we were on 30 plus pounders in minnesota you know pretty much every day
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we were out there we saw one if not one we saw a dozen and that's what's kind
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of cool about sliding over there a little bit but,
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i would never ever want to be over there full time again it's kind of like a
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little treat to get over there so minnesota still has it going on i think wisconsin
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fisheries are still remaining very strong
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just fish are just a little bit tougher.
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To trick nowadays well i kind of think as musky anglers we're kind of spoiled
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sometimes with what we have for a lot of the fisheries i'd be i'd be curious
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to know like if we went back to i don't know the the 80s like.
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What what do you suppose the fisheries were like then are they better or worse
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than what they are now because there was a lot of factors back in the 80s it
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definitely was hurting musky populations more than what we were.
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Catch and release was still barely maybe just a thing.
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I know we were whacking them over the heads. We were shooting them with guns,
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like a lot of just, you know, crazy musky stuff.
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So like, do you think maybe sometimes the stuff we whine about as musky anglers
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today is just like 2026 type problems? Whereas in reality, like we still have
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it really, really good compared to what they had historically.
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Yeah, you know, and I think back in the 80s, you know, those,
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I mean, look at the tackle that we get to use now and just the overall gear.
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It's totally night and day difference. But those fish weren't seeing as many baits.
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Yes, though, there's plenty of whacking going on, you know, killing the muskies back in the day.
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But it also kind of makes you think, is that newly, you know,
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the new 40 inch statewide limit, is that hurting it?
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I believe that was gosh I don't want to screw this up was it Dick Pearson who.
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No oh my gosh why can't I think right now legendary guy but he wanted you know
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he was still whacking a few fish up here and he was claiming that,
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there's too many muskies in the lake to grow bigger fish and I could totally see that,
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you know and it's kind of what game do you want to play do you want fish all
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week to try to catch a giant,
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or do you want to have follows and engaging fish and the opportunity to catch
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a few of them even though they're going to be smaller so it's you got to choose
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your pick your poison on it.
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You know you can even look back at mille Lacs back in the days when those fish,
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were starting to reach that you know the top end of their size and I mean everybody
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and their mother was going over to Mille Lacs and everybody had a shot at catching
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a 50 plus inch animal that weighed into the 40 plus pound range.
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And there's still plenty of muskies out there. People just got lazy,
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you know, and the fish got smarter.
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Let's talk about, so you talked about, you know, like people looking for top
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end size and all that stuff. Like your average customer that gets in your boat,
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what do you think they're looking for on a day-to-day basis?
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Are they looking to just catch a muskie? Are they looking to catch a personal
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best? Like, what do you see out there? What's the average angler looking for these days?
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The average angler wants to catch fish. They don't, you know,
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and I would say more, more of them just want to catch fish.
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For my repeat guys you know the guys that i have out from anywhere from,
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you know 10 to 25 plus days out of the year i have a good group of those guys
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they're looking for the big ones and they're willing to grind it out to catch big ones,
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but there's you know with some of those same guys in that group i've had them
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where they're like dude we gotta we just gotta go catch one,
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and we go and catch a few on a small puddle get that out of our system and get back to grinding and,
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and see what happens but yeah i would say the average angler just mainly wants
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to catch fish and that's okay.
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And that's what, that's, what's nice about having, uh, being up in Northern
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Wisconsin, you have those options, you know, to go play in the small puddles
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and get some action, or you can go swing through the fences and go for a big one.
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Yeah, I would, I think I would agree with you. I think, I think there are a
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subset of people that do, that's all they want to catch is they want to catch
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the biggest one that's out there.
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They've caught a lot or whatever, but I would say your average angler is probably
00:23:30.582 --> 00:23:33.187
just looking to just looking to have some action, right?
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They just want to, they want a decent shot at putting one in the net.
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They want a decent shot at having one follow, just something to keep them, keep them involved.
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I would say that as much as we, you know, you, me, we like muskies our entire
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lives. That's not the, that's not reality for, I would say many of the people that chase these fish.
00:23:53.086 --> 00:23:57.447
No, absolutely not. And that's good though, too. You know, it's,
00:23:57.447 --> 00:24:00.587
it's, it's good to want to just go catch fish.
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Like I have nothing against that by any means.
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For me, I've been chasing these things now since I was 12 years old.
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You know, if I have a day off and I have a shot at a big one,
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I'm going to grind it out for a big one.
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But that's not to shame anybody that just wants to go catch fish.
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You kind of find what you want to do. It's no different than deer hunting.
00:24:23.017 --> 00:24:27.317
I mean, I don't shoot deer. I've never deer hunted. But there's guys that only
00:24:27.317 --> 00:24:30.807
want the ones with the big antlers and there's ones that just want to go out
00:24:30.807 --> 00:24:33.488
there and blast a few deer and put them in the freezer
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for the thrill and the fun of it because I mean that's ultimately what we're
00:24:37.627 --> 00:24:39.229
doing this for is the hunt.
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Yeah, that's, that's it. Exactly. I mean, that's all you, that's how you said it.
00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:47.432
Uh, for sometimes it's, for me, it's just about getting out,
00:24:47.432 --> 00:24:51.832
reset myself, just taking in, you know, all the scenery, everything that,
00:24:51.832 --> 00:24:54.192
that getting out on the water has to offer, right?
00:24:54.192 --> 00:24:57.083
There's something that's therapeutic about it. Just getting out,
00:24:57.972 --> 00:25:00.442
whether you catch one, you don't catch one, whatever, you know,
00:25:00.442 --> 00:25:03.591
sometimes I hate to say, you got to stop and smell the roses a little bit, you know,
00:25:03.985 --> 00:25:08.562
take a look around, enjoy everything that's, that comes with getting out of,
00:25:08.562 --> 00:25:12.282
you know, I don't know, whatever the office or the house or whatever you whatever
00:25:12.282 --> 00:25:13.552
you want to say like it's sometimes,
00:25:14.012 --> 00:25:15.769
there's something to be said about that too,
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oh for sure yeah and that's why i don't blame these guys when they're you know
00:25:21.152 --> 00:25:25.692
when they come up here and they got a weekend to go fishing they got a weekend you know and we're
00:25:26.072 --> 00:25:30.012
i'm lucky as a fishing guy to be out there every day even though there's most
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states you know there's some days
00:25:31.422 --> 00:25:34.289
i don't want to be out there because you know it's going to be bad but,
00:25:34.788 --> 00:25:39.560
that's that's their time to go and you gotta you gotta make it fun you gotta,
00:25:40.007 --> 00:25:44.062
you know keep people excited and grind it out because that you know there's
00:25:44.062 --> 00:25:49.179
just there's a lot of people that aren't as fortunate to get out on the water as much as i do or,
00:25:49.754 --> 00:25:53.239
very many other people do so yeah i would say.
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As a guide you know you're fortunate because you get to be out on the water
00:25:57.655 --> 00:26:02.255
a lot but but like you said that's not always a great thing right like everybody
00:26:02.255 --> 00:26:06.025
thinks that being a guide is like so glamorous you get to fish every day all day,
00:26:06.780 --> 00:26:11.165
but there's a lot of days where i would imagine it's not so enjoyable i mean
00:26:11.165 --> 00:26:16.085
do you have a specific instance of a time recently where like it was just a
00:26:16.085 --> 00:26:18.731
bad day you know they always say like a bad day fishing.
00:26:19.715 --> 00:26:23.645
Is still better than a good day working or whatever like i don't always i don't
00:26:23.645 --> 00:26:27.637
always agree with that necessarily do you have any stories of a bad day,
00:26:28.300 --> 00:26:32.755
yeah well i mean i have a perfect example of three bad days in a row when we
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were last up in minnesota we you know my last three days of guiding up there
00:26:37.155 --> 00:26:39.255
the weather turned we we had,
00:26:39.755 --> 00:26:46.217
almost no wind it got hot flat and the fish were still there they just were not moving,
00:26:46.757 --> 00:26:52.045
and I think the worst feeling you can have as a fishing guide is when you have
00:26:52.045 --> 00:26:58.153
somebody in the boat for multiple days in a row and you have the same crummy weather,
00:26:58.629 --> 00:27:05.035
all day you know every day and nothing's going to change and you're just praying you know,
00:27:05.655 --> 00:27:10.675
that something goes you know we had shots during those three days you know but
00:27:10.675 --> 00:27:17.585
it wasn't like it was for the week and a half before I was up there and that hurts the most.
00:27:17.585 --> 00:27:24.208
Like, it sucks when you have a customer out or a guest out for one day and the fishing's bad.
00:27:24.713 --> 00:27:29.135
And then you go to the next guy or the next group. But when you have the same
00:27:29.135 --> 00:27:33.345
person in the boat and you want them to catch one so badly and that weather's
00:27:33.345 --> 00:27:35.920
just kicking your butt and the muskies are kicking your butt,
00:27:36.367 --> 00:27:37.955
there is no worse feeling,
00:27:39.135 --> 00:27:40.448
to have as a fishing guide.
00:27:41.872 --> 00:27:46.867
I mean, yeah, it's, it's great to do what we do, but the, the stresses that
00:27:46.867 --> 00:27:51.107
go through musky guy's heads, you wouldn't believe it.
00:27:51.627 --> 00:27:54.387
The average person wouldn't believe it. You know, the person that's saying like,
00:27:54.387 --> 00:27:56.887
oh, it must be nice to be out there every day. It's like, no,
00:27:56.887 --> 00:28:00.067
you don't, you don't understand it. It's not that nice.
00:28:00.807 --> 00:28:03.767
Right. Well, it's, it's nice that you mentioned the stresses part of it.
00:28:03.767 --> 00:28:06.187
Right. And I would assume there's something to be said with that,
00:28:06.187 --> 00:28:09.233
especially if you're, you know, a good guide that cares about your,
00:28:09.419 --> 00:28:11.468
your customer and the customer experience.
00:28:11.904 --> 00:28:16.877
Because like I've said it before, like for you, it's just another,
00:28:16.877 --> 00:28:20.419
like you're taking out another group, right? It's just another day on the water.
00:28:20.721 --> 00:28:25.157
But for that customer, they probably circled that day for a while,
00:28:25.157 --> 00:28:29.069
right? I mean, they're excited about it. They, they've been looking forward to it.
00:28:29.533 --> 00:28:33.382
And you know, that's something that, that's been, that's been on their,
00:28:33.807 --> 00:28:36.647
I don't know, I will say, I don't know, bucket list isn't the right word,
00:28:36.647 --> 00:28:39.367
but it's just been a highlight of something they're looking for,
00:28:39.367 --> 00:28:42.171
for the summer or fall, whatever time period they're fishing.
00:28:42.525 --> 00:28:47.297
And so for them to come out and struggle, there's, there's gotta be a certain,
00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:50.997
degree of stress that goes with the job. As weird as that sounds being a fishing
00:28:50.997 --> 00:28:53.327
guide, cause you're like, oh, whatever, we're just fishing. Right.
00:28:53.327 --> 00:28:55.058
But that's not always the case.
00:28:55.690 --> 00:29:00.647
Yeah. And it's not. And I mean, the goal as a fishing guide is to retain the
00:29:00.647 --> 00:29:03.327
people that you take out in the past.
00:29:03.327 --> 00:29:10.027
And the more people that you retain as you know repeat business business opportunities
00:29:10.027 --> 00:29:14.167
the that that's where you're going to succeed as a fishing guide and.
00:29:14.911 --> 00:29:18.797
And if you get into those bad days and just trying to keep people's spirits
00:29:18.797 --> 00:29:22.927
up and you know like we hey we still have a chance you know we're gonna have
00:29:22.927 --> 00:29:26.027
to work for it but we got our opportunities and.
00:29:27.041 --> 00:29:30.570
Yeah, there's a tremendous amount of stress that goes on with this.
00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:37.260
And I think some of the best fishing guides out there, they should experience
00:29:37.260 --> 00:29:39.130
that stress. You know, they should note it.
00:29:39.490 --> 00:29:43.390
You know, the ones that are not feeling stressed out over it,
00:29:43.823 --> 00:29:47.170
having a bad day, you know, I think you're in it for the wrong reason.
00:29:47.170 --> 00:29:50.570
Because you're not thinking about that person that spent the time,
00:29:50.570 --> 00:29:53.860
the money, you know, to come fish with you for the day.
00:29:54.382 --> 00:29:57.490
And we got to take care of these guys as best as we can. or guess,
00:29:57.790 --> 00:30:01.170
I should say. Yeah, it certainly makes sense to me.
00:30:01.878 --> 00:30:06.420
So, Michael, inevitably, I do think that we will eventually see turnover.
00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:10.810
We haven't seen it yet. Assuming you've seen no evidence that it's coming in
00:30:10.810 --> 00:30:13.087
the next week, probably.
00:30:13.482 --> 00:30:15.142
What's your thoughts on that?
00:30:15.850 --> 00:30:19.850
Yeah, I think after this week, she's going to start going.
00:30:19.850 --> 00:30:24.460
It depends on what this wind all does. But, you know, up by me today,
00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:29.890
it's, you know, it's absolutely crummy outside, you know, the way we like it.
00:30:29.890 --> 00:30:32.146
It's 51 degrees and blowing hard.
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And the rest of the week is supposed to be a nice cool down for us.
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:40.220
So if we get a big wind and we get a few more degrees dropping off of some of
00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:44.880
these, you know, 3,000 plus acre bodies of water, we should start seeing some
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:45.960
of the lakes turning over.
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Those are going to be our darker water systems as far as like,
00:30:51.781 --> 00:30:56.018
you know, the big deep clear lakes. That's going to be another couple of weeks yet still.
00:30:56.899 --> 00:30:57.949
Once we start approaching this
00:30:57.949 --> 00:31:00.999
time frame what's your what's your battle plan like how do you go about,
00:31:01.459 --> 00:31:05.219
deciding your day how do you even know like if you're new to muskie fishing
00:31:05.219 --> 00:31:08.949
and you're in turnover you know how do you even know if the lake has turned
00:31:08.949 --> 00:31:11.992
it hasn't turned like do you have any insight into that,
00:31:12.719 --> 00:31:18.019
yeah i mean as far as like if i'm the way i'm gonna start my day out is typically
00:31:18.459 --> 00:31:22.179
i don't start as early as everybody else i start at like eight nine o'clock
00:31:22.179 --> 00:31:26.704
my favorite time to be out fishing anywhere around here is 10 to 2,
00:31:27.302 --> 00:31:32.429
so and and then again at sunset so i'm not saying that there's not a great sunrise
00:31:32.429 --> 00:31:40.459
bite but it's it's so inconsistent by me that i've noticed so i try to instead of gas in my guys try to,
00:31:40.999 --> 00:31:44.519
you know let us sleep in a little bit and get after it but i kind of looked
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.919
at what other people are doing and do the opposite you know especially this
00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:51.410
time of year, if I see a pile of people up shallow, I'm going to start deep.
00:31:51.903 --> 00:31:54.446
Like I said, there's still plenty of fish out deep right now.
00:31:54.986 --> 00:31:59.119
And I'm just looking for those fish that aren't getting pounded super,
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.479
super hard. And those shallow water fish are always going to get pounded.
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:04.580
People are always going to fish weeds.
00:32:04.981 --> 00:32:08.169
So I tend to start out a little bit deeper. And then if I'm not seeing what
00:32:08.169 --> 00:32:10.999
I want, then I'll start to slide up a little bit shallower.
00:32:12.202 --> 00:32:17.065
Perfect. What you're typically known as a rubber fisherman, right?
00:32:17.065 --> 00:32:20.185
That's your, that's your thing. Dogs, deuces, rubber. I like it.
00:32:20.185 --> 00:32:23.474
It's, I mean, it's incorporated in many, many anglers, you know,
00:32:23.729 --> 00:32:26.260
tackle boxes and their daily presentations.
00:32:26.568 --> 00:32:31.795
If you can't throw rubber bait this time of year, what's, what's a couple that
00:32:31.795 --> 00:32:34.822
you would definitely be thinking about having to strap on?
00:32:35.527 --> 00:32:39.545
Yeah I mean going back to like the beaver I like to add a lot a weighted suik,
00:32:40.005 --> 00:32:44.435
a lot of the 10 inch suiks that I have I've weighted them down pretty significantly
00:32:44.435 --> 00:32:45.628
I bought those weight kits,
00:32:46.185 --> 00:32:51.415
over the years like the the suik ones that you can actually put a you know I
00:32:51.415 --> 00:32:58.199
tap in a threaded receptacle and screw in the weight but I just I did that and I super glued them in,
00:32:58.750 --> 00:33:01.975
because they run so good but i weighed them down pretty heavy to where those
00:33:01.975 --> 00:33:05.809
things do not rise you know fast at all,
00:33:06.337 --> 00:33:09.685
it's a lot easier of a bait to throw for somebody as long as it's not super
00:33:09.685 --> 00:33:15.015
windy they don't tend to throw that great in the wind but yeah between you know
00:33:15.015 --> 00:33:18.093
that and some castable flies have been working with those two,
00:33:18.734 --> 00:33:23.593
but even just you know casting and retrieving a rubber bait not necessarily,
00:33:24.278 --> 00:33:29.505
just you know ripping it back or the pull pause method sometimes just a slowly
00:33:29.505 --> 00:33:35.775
retrieved bulldog even in orba i know orbas are really well known for in the
00:33:35.775 --> 00:33:38.605
sniping world but as far as,
00:33:39.185 --> 00:33:44.395
if you haven't just casted in orba i've put them on willan's a rig in years
00:33:44.395 --> 00:33:49.575
past late in the fall and it's done phenomenal on them you know just getting
00:33:49.575 --> 00:33:52.605
that bait down there counting it down and just a nice,
00:33:53.105 --> 00:33:55.072
simple, straight retrieve.
00:33:55.275 --> 00:34:00.235
It's like working a bucktail at that point. So it's not too hard on the angler
00:34:00.235 --> 00:34:01.598
and we've done really well on it.
00:34:02.728 --> 00:34:08.014
Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of people just automatically assume rubber this
00:34:08.014 --> 00:34:10.654
time of year and they kind of overlook some of the other stuff.
00:34:10.654 --> 00:34:12.456
So that's why I wanted to talk about that a little bit.
00:34:12.874 --> 00:34:16.154
The other thing I want to talk about is I know you sucker fish quite a bit.
00:34:16.664 --> 00:34:20.021
You mentioned it. I think I've seen it on some of the Today's Angler videos.
00:34:21.584 --> 00:34:26.846
Do you have a rig of choice? How do you rig up a sucker? It sounds stupid elementary,
00:34:27.175 --> 00:34:30.444
but I think there's a lot of people that are kind of like, how do I do this?
00:34:30.444 --> 00:34:32.533
And what's your insight into that?
00:34:32.996 --> 00:34:35.844
You know, I used to love that rubber band rig.
00:34:35.844 --> 00:34:39.264
I almost feel like there's sometimes I should go back to that rubber band rig
00:34:39.264 --> 00:34:40.334
because it works so good.
00:34:40.334 --> 00:34:44.514
But the way that these clips are designed now, whether it's a stealth one or
00:34:44.514 --> 00:34:51.804
the, gosh, fuzzies, shumways, clipping go, both are great options.
00:34:51.804 --> 00:34:57.164
And a lot of times, honestly, I'll buy those rigs and I'll cut all that hardware off.
00:34:57.524 --> 00:35:03.514
And I am making those leads exactly how I want them based on the suckers that
00:35:03.514 --> 00:35:04.793
I'm going to use throughout the day.
00:35:05.333 --> 00:35:09.554
I want one of those treble hooks as close to the back of the head as possible,
00:35:09.554 --> 00:35:14.772
pretty much where the skull meets the first few scales of that meat behind the gills.
00:35:15.323 --> 00:35:21.153
And then I'll make one, that other lead, so that it's pretty much just behind that dorsal.
00:35:21.964 --> 00:35:25.594
Especially this time of year, those muskies, it seems like pre-turnover when
00:35:25.594 --> 00:35:28.894
they grab a sucker, they are turning that thing and they are trying to eat it
00:35:28.894 --> 00:35:31.403
fast whereas later on in the year,
00:35:31.891 --> 00:35:36.918
they might grab it and hang on to it for a little while in a obscure area but
00:35:37.324 --> 00:35:41.094
i want that hook as close to the back of the head as possible so keeping my
00:35:41.094 --> 00:35:46.944
leads as clean as possible meaning no extra wire hanging out no loops or anything
00:35:46.944 --> 00:35:49.729
i want that rig as tight to the sucker as possible so.
00:35:50.801 --> 00:35:57.247
I use a lot, a lot of 90 pound, 7 strand and a lot of crimps and I will cut
00:35:57.247 --> 00:35:59.051
those things apart daily,
00:35:59.741 --> 00:36:05.037
to match up the size of sucker based on the rig that I, or the rig based on
00:36:05.037 --> 00:36:06.417
the size of sucker that I have.
00:36:07.417 --> 00:36:11.016
Sure. That makes sense. And I've, that would be one of my complaints I would
00:36:11.016 --> 00:36:14.446
have with a lot of these is like they're, you know, the pre-made rigs are nice
00:36:14.446 --> 00:36:17.896
and they're, they're really handy to have, but sometimes you just got too much
00:36:17.896 --> 00:36:18.956
stuff hanging off of them.
00:36:18.956 --> 00:36:21.133
Like, you know, for the size of the sucker that you're using,
00:36:21.493 --> 00:36:25.356
I prefer to use rigs that have two hooks. Obviously with musky anglers,
00:36:25.356 --> 00:36:26.973
we're looking for as many hooks as we can.
00:36:27.374 --> 00:36:30.956
And sometimes these like, we'll say like the medium size two hook rig and you
00:36:30.956 --> 00:36:35.906
put it on like a 13, 14 inch sucker and like your loops are just too long.
00:36:35.906 --> 00:36:38.862
And I'm just like, man, there's just a ton of stuff hanging off of these things.
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.486
And I mean, that's interesting that you're out there just basically making,
00:36:43.486 --> 00:36:46.646
making rigs on the water. I think a lot of people just, you know,
00:36:46.646 --> 00:36:48.544
buy what they got and they go fishing with it.
00:36:48.945 --> 00:36:52.746
Yeah, we'll take it, we'll take it or leave it. But there's a real art to people
00:36:52.746 --> 00:36:55.539
that want to really present live bait effectively.
00:36:56.566 --> 00:37:01.646
Absolutely. And again, I, these fish are getting smarter to these live bait,
00:37:01.646 --> 00:37:03.436
you know, live bait presentation.
00:37:03.436 --> 00:37:08.716
I'm not saying all of them are smart, but, you know, you got to keep those rigs
00:37:08.716 --> 00:37:13.486
clean and show that you need that sucker to swim perfectly some days for that
00:37:13.486 --> 00:37:15.208
fish to even think about biting it.
00:37:15.775 --> 00:37:18.598
I've had plenty of days, again, just bring, I'm not
00:37:19.016 --> 00:37:23.186
bringing up the live scope to stir up any feathers, but it's something that
00:37:23.186 --> 00:37:27.126
I can watch and my customers can at least see when they're like,
00:37:27.466 --> 00:37:31.827
we had 18 to 24 muskies chase our suckers today and they didn't bite.
00:37:32.695 --> 00:37:35.876
You know and it's like yeah they just weren't biting today but we were in the
00:37:35.876 --> 00:37:41.266
right areas and why weren't they biting it were we not running suckers right were my leads
00:37:41.706 --> 00:37:46.586
gross and ugly and over the years of cleaning everything up and being a little
00:37:46.586 --> 00:37:53.231
bit more in tune with that we're seeing far more 30 35 pound fish being caught later on in the year,
00:37:53.678 --> 00:37:59.481
on suckers now but whereas you know I know before I moved up to this area,
00:38:00.143 --> 00:38:02.145
I could go on Lake Namacog and,
00:38:02.885 --> 00:38:06.682
any day with a sucker in october and be guaranteed a bite,
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:10.213
this is before you know this is probably 10 years ago,
00:38:10.805 --> 00:38:15.569
and that is just not the case anymore i mean it was like clockwork it every
00:38:15.569 --> 00:38:21.149
day you had a shot at a muskie grabbing a sucker on that body of water and by
00:38:21.149 --> 00:38:23.128
the time of course when i move up here,
00:38:23.809 --> 00:38:26.519
full time that that just completely ended it's.
00:38:27.529 --> 00:38:31.319
Kind of like miltona too you know those western Minnesota lakes,
00:38:31.319 --> 00:38:33.487
those are always really good sucker lakes.
00:38:33.759 --> 00:38:37.649
And you're starting to see those sucker bites significantly declining.
00:38:38.009 --> 00:38:40.019
Again, I think these fish are really smart.
00:38:40.488 --> 00:38:44.309
And there's some stupid ones out there that will make the same mistake multiple times.
00:38:44.669 --> 00:38:49.638
No different than a human being that has a 6 DUI and is working on a 7th.
00:38:50.950 --> 00:38:54.789
Some people just don't get it. Some fish don't get it.
00:38:56.149 --> 00:39:01.509
Oftentimes our recaptures We have those same fish that visit our boat every
00:39:01.509 --> 00:39:07.109
year, and it's like, man, you are just a stupid muskie. You just haven't got it yet.
00:39:08.615 --> 00:39:12.346
And I like the stupid ones. That's what we want. Right?
00:39:12.835 --> 00:39:17.346
Yes. Stupid muskies are great. I loved them back in the day on Green Bay when
00:39:17.775 --> 00:39:21.599
there was a bunch of young and dumb muskies. Man, those things were so fun.
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.853
They would bite everything and anything. It was awesome.
00:39:24.484 --> 00:39:29.639
Oh, gosh. i mean there's a there's a lake up nearby up here by me where it's
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:34.919
it's a private road to get on to and i had some people let me on there from
00:39:34.919 --> 00:39:39.439
time to time and robbie and i have actually filmed some shows out there and,
00:39:40.129 --> 00:39:44.971
like we joke around about it it's like we're fishing in the 1980s,
00:39:45.644 --> 00:39:50.839
with like the best tackle available for these muskies the way that they were
00:39:50.839 --> 00:39:54.959
coming up i mean you could not reel a bucktail fast enough and you could not
00:39:54.959 --> 00:39:56.523
figure eight one fast enough,
00:39:57.224 --> 00:40:01.344
you'd be so much whitewater in your figure eights to where you couldn't even
00:40:01.344 --> 00:40:04.411
see if the fish was behind you and all of a sudden your rod would just load up,
00:40:05.043 --> 00:40:09.884
it was as fast as you could go and i mean we were having action from 30 plus
00:40:09.884 --> 00:40:12.350
muskies out of the day catch 10 of them,
00:40:12.873 --> 00:40:17.354
you know but 30 legit musky bites on the lake that has zero northerns in it
00:40:17.715 --> 00:40:20.500
very little bass you know i know that they weren't bass but,
00:40:20.994 --> 00:40:25.804
it just goes to show like you know they get conditioned and it's not a bad thing
00:40:25.804 --> 00:40:28.747
you know this is musty fishing it's supposed to be hard so.
00:40:29.644 --> 00:40:35.100
This you know as it gets goes down the line here yes it may get a little bit tougher but,
00:40:35.791 --> 00:40:39.390
i mean we're already working our butts off what's a little tougher gonna hurt
00:40:39.722 --> 00:40:45.907
right well speaking of speaking of tougher everybody wants to fish in the in the fall right
00:40:46.348 --> 00:40:49.604
and they're always like oh that's the best time of year to fish for muskies
00:40:49.604 --> 00:40:54.354
but is it really like is is fall time your favorite time is it the easiest time
00:40:54.354 --> 00:40:56.530
to catch them what's your thoughts because in my opinion
00:40:56.936 --> 00:41:01.574
it's not the the easiest time to catch them if i could pick a time it's probably
00:41:01.574 --> 00:41:07.164
maybe late june or right after that you know first cold front in august they seem to be.
00:41:08.004 --> 00:41:12.184
Easier to figure out easier to pattern more willing to bite it seems like in
00:41:12.184 --> 00:41:15.224
the fall here i'm not trying to say anything away from that you go out there
00:41:15.224 --> 00:41:17.418
and you're going to have your best shot at a really big fish
00:41:17.847 --> 00:41:22.354
but it just feels like the bite windows are shorter and it can be a little bit
00:41:22.354 --> 00:41:24.515
tougher. What do you, what's your thoughts on all that?
00:41:25.334 --> 00:41:29.079
I totally agree especially if you take live bait completely out of the picture
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.771
you know if we're just casting it's one of the toughest times to catch a muskie,
00:41:33.282 --> 00:41:38.199
period man even with live bait in the water it's still very very tough i totally
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:42.249
agree with you the bite windows get tighter and tighter i mean historically
00:41:42.249 --> 00:41:46.204
the past eight nine and nine years now we,
00:41:46.919 --> 00:41:50.409
meaning my brother-in-law and i we are the last idiots out on these puddles
00:41:50.409 --> 00:41:56.339
up here I mean, hands down, we do not see anybody else fishing into December.
00:41:56.339 --> 00:41:59.884
We want to be out there as late as possible, and it just gets tougher and tougher.
00:42:00.412 --> 00:42:05.579
So, yeah, see, your shot at catching a very big, heavy fish goes up,
00:42:05.945 --> 00:42:07.704
because they're going to be at their heaviest.
00:42:08.185 --> 00:42:14.229
But overall, your June, your July, your August, September, they're way better
00:42:14.229 --> 00:42:19.809
months for casting-wise and getting more action, longer feeding windows more
00:42:19.809 --> 00:42:21.696
opportunities to fish for them,
00:42:22.288 --> 00:42:27.159
whereas the later you go into the fall the tougher it gets so i i totally disagree
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.605
with people when they say it's the best time to go musky fishing there really
00:42:31.808 --> 00:42:35.280
it really isn't it's your best shot at catching a really heavy fish though,
00:42:35.930 --> 00:42:40.399
which is what i love yeah that's 100 i would agree with you want to you want
00:42:40.399 --> 00:42:45.969
one at its highest weight you want one that that's going to just be like a behemoth
00:42:45.969 --> 00:42:49.439
you know like that's this is the time of year to do that but.
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:55.399
I i'll never scoff at a big long fish but i you know the heavier they get the
00:42:55.399 --> 00:42:58.279
bigger smile and the more i shake in the boat whether,
00:42:58.779 --> 00:43:06.591
i catch it or guest catches it i want to see the heaviest fish at all times of the year personally,
00:43:07.137 --> 00:43:11.569
you got any tips for people that uh to try to handle the cold weather and what
00:43:11.569 --> 00:43:14.296
what have you found that works to to keep people going longer.
00:43:15.076 --> 00:43:20.566
Yeah you know i think the best thing is keeping your hands as warm as possible
00:43:20.566 --> 00:43:25.210
i use those half wool the finger tipless wool gloves,
00:43:25.674 --> 00:43:33.036
and it's amazing how well they do work and your hands will get cold but my main
00:43:33.036 --> 00:43:38.027
thing is every morning when you get out there your hands are going to be cold.
00:43:38.439 --> 00:43:45.713
And you need to take the time to warm your hands up, not to 70%, not 95%.
00:43:46.183 --> 00:43:48.320
You need to warm them up to 100%.
00:43:48.917 --> 00:43:54.466
And once you warm them back up to 100%, it is amazing how much warmer your hands
00:43:54.466 --> 00:43:57.376
will stay throughout the rest of the day. I'm not going to say that they're
00:43:57.376 --> 00:44:00.938
going to be, you know, like they won't eventually get cold.
00:44:01.310 --> 00:44:06.198
But if you don't take the time to shock your hands, bring them back up to 100%
00:44:06.331 --> 00:44:10.591
and then get back out fishing, you're going to be having cold hands all day long.
00:44:11.097 --> 00:44:15.746
So that's my number one tip. I put my hands right on my gut.
00:44:16.008 --> 00:44:21.156
And if my gut's not warm enough, I slide them down the waistband a little bit.
00:44:22.536 --> 00:44:27.406
I'm generating maximum amount of heat. Keeping those hands warm,
00:44:27.406 --> 00:44:30.256
especially when stuff goes down.
00:44:30.996 --> 00:44:34.936
If you're drifting around with live bait, I tell my guys right away when I'm
00:44:34.936 --> 00:44:37.846
trying to figure out where this fish is swimming to and from,
00:44:37.846 --> 00:44:39.587
it's like, keep your hands warm.
00:44:40.075 --> 00:44:44.986
Like, don't just have them in gloves, put them on your gut, be ready.
00:44:44.986 --> 00:44:47.801
Because when I hand this rod off to you, it's go time.
00:44:48.080 --> 00:44:52.681
And you got to have warm hands to do this correctly. Right?
00:44:53.742 --> 00:44:57.322
Brad has mentioned this on the podcast many times. I feel like it's time to
00:44:57.322 --> 00:45:01.152
bring this up again, but like if you are looking to, like if you're trolling
00:45:01.152 --> 00:45:05.752
or if you're sitting watching live bait and the, the plug-in seat heaters that
00:45:05.752 --> 00:45:08.592
you can get for a car, it just plugs into a 12 volt cigarette
00:45:09.032 --> 00:45:11.819
lighter adapter. You can get them on Amazon for like 50 bucks.
00:45:12.359 --> 00:45:16.340
Man, I'll tell you that thing is a lifesaver. If you've never had one, it's awesome.
00:45:16.758 --> 00:45:19.622
Man, that is cool. I've never, I never even heard of that one.
00:45:19.622 --> 00:45:22.952
I listen and I feel bad. I listen to you guys all the time, but I must have
00:45:22.952 --> 00:45:25.412
missed that little golden tidbit. Yeah.
00:45:26.172 --> 00:45:30.072
It is amazing. It is like, especially, like I said, if you're trolling or in
00:45:30.072 --> 00:45:33.762
your case, I don't know if I would imagine at some point you guys pretty much
00:45:33.762 --> 00:45:38.482
just, you might cast for whatever, 10, 15 minutes, then, then take a,
00:45:38.482 --> 00:45:40.542
you know, take a seat, warm up a little bit.
00:45:40.542 --> 00:45:43.298
If, you know, for that type of thing, if you're sitting on it,
00:45:43.715 --> 00:45:47.292
it'll do really, it's great. And then, you know, to keep your hands warm,
00:45:47.292 --> 00:45:49.409
you just kind of tuck your hands underneath your butt.
00:45:49.751 --> 00:45:52.567
So you're, you're, you know, you're getting it off that seat heater.
00:45:53.423 --> 00:45:57.547
That's a fantastic tip. I always have mine in my boat when it's late,
00:45:57.547 --> 00:46:00.307
late fall, especially if you're trolling. It's unbelievable for that.
00:46:00.307 --> 00:46:03.028
It'll keep you way warmer. It's fantastic.
00:46:03.393 --> 00:46:07.327
Probably one of the best tips. That sounds like, oh, yeah, that sounds amazing.
00:46:07.327 --> 00:46:10.737
And I know a lot of people put Mr. Buddy heaters and stuff in their boat.
00:46:11.997 --> 00:46:15.177
I haven't done that in so long. It just seemed like you would warm your hands
00:46:15.177 --> 00:46:17.267
up really quick and then they just get cold again.
00:46:17.267 --> 00:46:21.657
So I was like, ah, let's keep the fire hazard in the boat and stick them on
00:46:21.657 --> 00:46:26.037
your gut. But that's a, that's a great tidbit from Brad as far as,
00:46:26.417 --> 00:46:30.143
I mean, I'm, I know what I'm going to be looking for after I get off the phone with you now. Yep.
00:46:30.352 --> 00:46:32.817
Just plug right in your cigarette lighter. You should go spend even more money.
00:46:32.817 --> 00:46:35.307
They're cheap. I mean, compared to the cost of everything else.
00:46:35.307 --> 00:46:38.404
I mean, if you guys are running suckers a lot, you know how much those things are.
00:46:38.858 --> 00:46:42.327
Yeah. Ridiculous. I would imagine you got to have some tanks and stuff that
00:46:42.327 --> 00:46:46.097
you guys, that you have to keep those, keep those going year round.
00:46:46.097 --> 00:46:49.917
And because i would also think with as late as you guys fishing of the year
00:46:49.917 --> 00:46:53.199
there's got to be a hard time at least finding them i would imagine,
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yeah yeah typically you know once once we get like really close to turnover
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that's where i'm gonna buy my biggest my biggest supply of them where we'll
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go and buy 40 50 of them at a time,
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i have a 210 gallon total tank running in the backyard now for over a week and a half,
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got all this good bacteria growing in it now so So.
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By the time I do get a big dumpy of suckers, when I dump them in there,
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I'm not going to have, you know,
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it's not going to offset my filter system because the filter system has all
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the good bacteria in it rolling now.
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So by the time I do that, those suckers will be ready to go.
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But yeah, just keeping those things happy and fresh and a lot of moving water
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because this is all outside to keep them cool.
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And boy, you should see the glaciers that we have to deal with towards the end
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of this season with those sucker tanks. It is just a mess. I can imagine.
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I mean, especially because like I said, you guys are fishing in temperatures
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where it probably doesn't even get above freezing for the day, I would imagine, right?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're fishing in these lakes as they're freezing around
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us. I mean, I have plenty of photos of Robbie breaking ice at the boat launch coming in.
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We're the guy in the trucks waiting, you know, because I'm not backing my trailer onto the ice.
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The boat's a much better tool for that. But yeah, I mean, I'm fishing some cold stuff.
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I give Robbie a lot of credit. A couple of years ago,
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That kid went out. I went south, and I fished for muskies for the better part
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of December down south, mainly on the Wisconsin River system.
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It did really well. But there was one lake up here, a couple of them,
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that froze over, opened up, froze over, opened up, froze over,
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and then opened up one more time.
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That kid went out there, and it's December 28th.
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He's by himself. It's probably nine degrees outside, and he catches a 48-and-a-half,
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35 plus pounder by himself and it was like good for you man like way to get after it.
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Yeah that's the dedication you don't see from many people,
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i know no and you know i don't expect it either because you know i don't want
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to like puff our chests out and be like oh we're more horror core than other
00:49:11.596 --> 00:49:15.876
people i'd much rather say we're dumber than a lot of other people we don't
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have any other hobbies to get into,
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but you know that's what we live to do and it's it's you know it's almost couch
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season is the way we look at it you know so it's take your best opportunities
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go as much as you can and i say that throughout the year to anybody that,
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is you know whether they're a seasoned musky angler or a new beginner go when
00:49:37.836 --> 00:49:42.746
you can because don't let the moon the weather dictate your plans sometimes
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you just got to go and it's amazing some of the days you'll pull out of your butt,
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you know just from going and it's like man i can't believe that they're going
00:49:52.236 --> 00:49:53.886
today but i'm happy i'm out here.
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Yeah that's cool michael i appreciate your time today if people are looking
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to get in touch with you to go fishing do you have any availability yet this year,
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I think I have one more date open towards the end of the month here.
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Yeah, it's like October 22nd or something. I might do some November stuff.
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I have a few trips planned in November, but that's kind of my time to go play.
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Most people that are fishing muskies then are planning to go shoot a deer, which is cool.
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So November is more my time. But if you want to try to braid the elements,
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plan a trip around that time. If we can go, it's your best shot at catching a 35 plus pound or so.
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That that would be the remainder of my dates is either early ish november to
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i have that one day open in october so give me a shout,
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i'd love to fill it what's the best way they can go about doing that yeah just
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give me a call or shoot me a text at area code 608-695-9073 otherwise you can get a hold of me on my,
00:50:56.294 --> 00:51:02.993
my instagram or my facebook through messaging and all that but if i do not to answer the first time.
00:51:03.898 --> 00:51:07.797
Just please try to get back to me again i don't like to be on my phone when
00:51:07.797 --> 00:51:11.807
i'm out in the boat i think it's rude to be out on on your phone all day in
00:51:11.807 --> 00:51:16.287
front of other customers and i get that we have to plan other trips and other
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dates with our guys and the ladies but,
00:51:19.318 --> 00:51:23.977
just keep trying i'm not ignoring you there's a lot to keep up with this day
00:51:23.977 --> 00:51:28.987
and age between emails and all the messaging services so 20 000 ways to get
00:51:28.987 --> 00:51:33.247
a hold of somebody and it's always hard to remember Or where did that person reach out to you from?
00:51:33.767 --> 00:51:36.915
Right. I'm glad I'm not the only one with that problem. I have that.
00:51:37.565 --> 00:51:42.007
I have that all the time. Or I'll be busy doing something. I'll see it pop up,
00:51:42.007 --> 00:51:44.837
right? And then I'll be like, okay, that doesn't need immediate attention.
00:51:44.837 --> 00:51:46.093
And I'll, you know, whatever.
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And either I may forget about it or I just cannot remind her where it is.
00:51:50.747 --> 00:51:54.917
Like it'll be, sometimes it'll be on my personal Facebook or my business pages
00:51:54.917 --> 00:51:57.747
or my email or the other email.
00:51:57.747 --> 00:52:03.277
Or it's just instagram it's everything like it there's just too many places
00:52:03.277 --> 00:52:07.597
to get in touch with people these days it's too much i mean they made it so
00:52:07.597 --> 00:52:10.187
easy that it makes it even harder so yeah.
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That's funny you say that because i joke all the time like i think technology
00:52:14.377 --> 00:52:17.033
has made our lives more difficult honestly like it's just,
00:52:18.101 --> 00:52:22.987
too much stuff could not agree with you more jeff we're a much peaceful more
00:52:22.987 --> 00:52:26.747
peaceful group of people back in the day before all this crap so.
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Well I I'd read this has nothing to do with the musky fishing podcast so if
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you if you don't want to listen to my next point that's fine but I had read
00:52:35.877 --> 00:52:38.897
something where like people are going back to like buying what they call dumb
00:52:38.897 --> 00:52:43.667
phones and you know just like they have a flip phone or whatever,
00:52:45.308 --> 00:52:48.828
and that's that's that's the route i'd like to go if i wasn't in the business
00:52:48.828 --> 00:52:52.472
that i am and we're you know i kind of need all these socials but,
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i mean even with social media i don't post much throughout the year just because
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i don't know it's not i i just don't like doing it you know it's i,
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i don't have to i feel like i don't have to gloat all the time or talk about
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what i'm doing every day of the week you know and not ripping on people that do i get it but,
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But life was a lot more simpler without all this stuff.
00:53:13.738 --> 00:53:17.218
And it's amazing how fast you can get stuck on your phone looking at absolutely
00:53:17.218 --> 00:53:22.418
nothing for way too much time on your time off. And productivity goes down,
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brain gets a little smaller, and next thing you know it, I'm eating even more crayons.
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That's funny and so true. I joke with my wife about that stuff once in a while.
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I'll be like, I don't even know what I just looked at. Yeah.
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That's why just go fishing people go hunting put your phones down it's fun yep
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well on that note i want to thank you again for your time michael i want to
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thank all of our listeners for tuning in this week to an episode of backlash podcast,
00:53:51.341 --> 00:53:55.968
and i hope that many of you tune in again next week and we'll have a we'll have
00:53:55.968 --> 00:54:00.028
a guest i'll find one somewhere but until then uh good luck fishing i did forget
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to mention if you need any gear for your next muskie fishing adventure make
00:54:02.538 --> 00:54:04.368
sure you Check out teamrhinooutdoors.com.
00:54:04.368 --> 00:54:07.740
So thank you everybody for tuning in this week. We'll be back next week.