Allison Alexander

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Hello and welcome to your favorite podcast.
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I'm Nathan Austin.
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I'm Ellison Alexander.
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I'm Katie Austin.
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I'm Juan Rivera.
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And I'm Kat Grainy.
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And Nathan messed up the intro.
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Well, what did I do?
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You just said welcome to your favorite podcast.
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Another podcast.
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What podcast are we?
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Nathan hasn't had it.
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He hasn't had enough.
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I partied pretty hard last night.
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I mean, when in Vegas, you know?
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Yeah.
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That's okay.
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That's okay.
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Welcome to another grooming podcast, guys.
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In case you didn't know.
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So in case you haven't noticed, we have a special guest here today, Allison Alexander.
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Welcome.
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Yay! We didn't know you were gonna be here actually at the show.
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And then when we saw you yesterday, we were like, we have to have you on.
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And so I'm really glad that you had time for us.
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So you're all the way at the Nexus booth.
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It's all the way in the middle of the show.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's just so weird to be like out in the annex with like all the public and like not here with like all our friends.
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But you know, the format this year changed without the grooming competition.
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Right.
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And so we kind of had to pivot with it.
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Yeah.
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No, it's it's smart for sure, but it's a really nice setup you guys have over there.
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Very beautiful.
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It's probably like a quarter mile away.
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Well, yeah, I came to say hello yesterday, and at least there were people in the booth that thought, you know, I could talk to the rest of you guys.
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But I mean, it you two had disappeared and you were working away.
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Yeah, we were teaching a class.
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We were teaching a class.
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Yeah, they have a four-hour one today.
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Yeah, we have a four-hour class.
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Yeah, there are big classes here sometimes.
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Yes.
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The format for this four-hour one is pretty cool though, because you get to work on a dog from the very beginning to the end.
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So you're bathing, drying, you're doing the whole thing with people there.
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Well, spoiler alert, they asked me to do that.
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And uh uh in like I don't know, nine months ago.
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And I've just had really bad experience with the dogs that are provided here for demos, and so I was a little nervous of doing it.
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Yeah, you never know what you're gonna get.
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I know you never know.
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You never know, and and honestly, I don't want to work that hard anymore.
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So that's how that goes.
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You put in your time, yeah.
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Very nice.
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Four hours is a long one.
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Yeah, especially with people looking at you, right?
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Like, you know, it's a lot.
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Well, it's nice with two of us, right?
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Because if somebody gets tired or if somebody needs a little bit of a break, one of us can step back and let the other one do for a little bit.
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So by yourself, I definitely feel like it's extra, extra.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, that's a good idea, tag teaming it for sure.
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Yeah.
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So you are from Canada, right?
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Correct.
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So a question that we all had was we know you show we you show dogs.
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So do you only show dogs or are you a groomer as well?
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So um I started in the world of show dogs.
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So I started when I was seven.
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Oh wow.
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And yeah, I started started.
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My parents wanted a guard dog because my dad was a warden at a prison.
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And so they wanted a Doberman Pincer.
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Yeah.
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So a Doberman surprise.
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So of course they bought an Afghan hound because that makes perfect sense.
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Makes sense to me.
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Yeah.
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And uh so, like I said, I was seven, and the people that we bought it from, their kids, their daughters were like 18, 19, 20, and they had just aged out of junior handling.
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And so I was their pet project.
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Of course.
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Right.
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So they were like, oh, like let's get her into junior handling.
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They also had miniature poodles, so they would make me show miniature poodles, and you know how you hear those people and they're like, you know, I did that the first time and I won the gold medal.
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Right.
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I had the fastest time ever.
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Yeah, I went fifth out of five and I cried.
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And then yeah, I just kept at it.
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I started working uh for a professional handler when I was 12, like just cleaning out water buckets and things like that.
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Then I worked for a very top professional handler when I was old enough to skip school as it goes.
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And eventually had my own business.
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So, of course, I had a show dog business, but I was really poor.
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And uh, so I had I groomed show dogs and I had my own salon.
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So I had my own salon for about 25 years.
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Oh wow.
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And but I showed dogs all over the world.
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Like that was my my thing that I really wanted to do, right?
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But I no longer show dogs professionally, I just show my own, um, which is amazing, but a little scary.
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And uh yeah, that's just how it went.
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So kind of I've done all of it, which I think we've all done all, you know.
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I think as a groomer, we have many different hats.
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Yes, and that was just my journey.
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That's so cool.
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It's nice to like just dive headfirst into the world of dogs and so young.
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Yeah, so young.
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Yeah, it was crazy.
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And also my mom eventually bred Afghan hounds and uh she had a lot that had questionable temperaments at the time.
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And so in junior handling, I was only allowed to show the ones that weren't showy, like as soon as I they were trained and let judges touch them.
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Like my mom was like, You can't show that one anymore, show this one.
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So I actually think it made me a better, like dog handler in the ring, but a better groomer because when you, you know, I had to train all those Afghan puppies to let me touch their feet and like all those things, right?
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So it was kind of like trial by fire.
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Yes.
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Well, that's I feel like an Afghan is a tougher brain to train.
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Oh, absolutely, right?
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And especially like I'm really old.
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So especially uh when you think about it, like in you know, in the 80s and 90s, um, Afghans, you know, they were at their heyday, like there was 40 to 60 Afghans at every dog show, but there there was a lot of questionable temperaments.
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Right, right.
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So is that just like um the norm, right?
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When a dog is at its peak in popularity, oftentimes temperaments go the way.
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Yeah, it goes out the window first.
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The dogs I remember having uh being weird uh when I was getting in the dogs was um Dalmatians.
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Yeah, they're still weird.
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Yeah, I remember the first time I worked on one as just like a bather and like how much it was shedding.
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I was like, I don't think I've ever seen a dog shed this much.
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It was like this well, I'm sure you know.
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Never endless.
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Yeah.
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So you mentioned yesterday that you just started your own new podcast.
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I did.
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So um I have Leading Edge Dog Show Academy.
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Right.
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We're all subscribed.
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Yeah, I was like, I feel like that was on my card thing.
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So if you haven't subscribed, definitely we'll link it for you guys because it's amazing.
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Check it out.
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So uh my son's a filmmaker, and what happened was at the time I was showing poodles, and you know, I would tell people this is how much hair they need till to come to me.
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And so they would always come with, you know, half the hair that they needed.
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And then people would be grumpy because I'd say, like, it has to stay here for three months and grow hair before I can show it.
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Right.
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So I said to my son, who he was in film school, I said, Hey, how about we do some videos so I can video like the like all the areas, this is how much hair, all the things.
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And he's like, I don't have time for that one.
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So then eventually we did he needed it for his resume, like you need videos, and so he did some dog.
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Yeah, exactly, right where I want to go.
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So he did some um some video for me, and then somebody saw it and they said, Oh, you like you should have an online school.
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And I'm like, Yeah, I don't want to do that.
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And so eventually we had an online school, and we just thought, oh, like, you know, five people will do this.
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Right.
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But then, you know, especially living in Canada, it's such a remote spread out area.
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Yes, that if you're like a groomer or somebody that wants to learn how to dog shows, like, where are you gonna go to do that?
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Right.
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It's much harder to find, yeah.
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Yeah, and so that's how Leading Oach was born.
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My son and I still co-own it, and he was like, you know, mom, I really think you should you talk a lot.
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So you should really have you should really have a podcast.
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But meanwhile, um, somebody that is newer in dogs, who is a stand-up comedian and he's an actor, and he was actually a radio host, he was like, Yeah, I'd like to he came at the same time as my son and said, like, I'd like to do a podcast with you, which is kind of great because um you guys are fantastic, like really, like I you the way your conversation flows, how you take care of your podcast, the questions that you ask, the guests that you get, like you do a lot of great things.
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And I was like, I don't know that I could do that.
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But with Ian, I can.
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And because you know, I'm the wise woman and he's like the young man, it's like it's a good juxtaposition of like questions, and in so we focus most mostly on confirmation, dog show type content.
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Yeah, but a lot of it is um, we just want to have a lot of them are like personal stories when it comes to dog show podcasts, or they are very, very technical.
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Right.
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And we just wanted conversations, right?
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Yeah, right?
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Kind of like you.
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That's kind of like you, right?
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Like you want to just have a conversation.
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What's happening now?
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What do we think about it?
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I think we need more people in the dog industry, whether you're a groomer, um, you show dogs, you're a breeder.
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I think we need more people that are opinionated personally.
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I don't think we need to make other people agree with us, but I think we need to state our opinion.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I think that that's missing in the industry because we need to talk about it.
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Yeah, like we need to stop being afraid to talk about it.
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And I don't care if you come at me, right?
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I'd rather you come at me.
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We had a conversation.
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I'm not gonna make you believe what I believe.
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I might not necessarily, but I want to at least hear your point of view.
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Right.
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And I think that's really important.
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Yeah, and I think that's what you do here.
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Like I think it's good.
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Thanks.
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Well, I'm excited to listen to the podcast.
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So you said it's on everything, right?
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It's on everything.
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It's called Examine and Excuse to the Dog Show Podcast with Allison and Ian.
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Such a big name that flows off your tongue.
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The link will be below.
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The link will be below.
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There you go.
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Thanks, guys.
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Thanks, guys.
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And I think it either came out yesterday or comes out tomorrow.
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I'm very excited to listen to it.
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So I love your leading edge dog academy.
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So I show uh Bachon Fraser's and I I got my first show dog five years ago.
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And uh at Nationals this year, I watched right before How to Stand Out at your national specialty.
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Oh, great.
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And we got Select Dog.
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Oh, oh my god, that's amazing.
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You need to send that to us so we can have a testimonial.
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But uh yeah, so I was like, I, you know, from the moment I got him, and I'm already four Bishon's deep, so you know I'm addicted.
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Um, but since I got him, and you know, I watched your videos on the city.
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Oh, well, thanks so much for saying that and they cover all it's like owner handler, like property.
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How do you love it?
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And I love all the quick tips that you put on your Instagram and like I'll get sucked in.
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I'm normally like a quick scroller, and then I'll be like, oh, I guess I'm sitting here for as long as this is.
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You know, and there's one video that stood out to me that I didn't think would be as informative.
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You were just going through the different brushes.
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And you think you know what each brush does and like how to use it properly, but the way you explained each one, and you know, I was like, oh, that makes sense.
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How did I not think of this before?
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Well, even like um, my obviously I have bichons, but like in the shop, you're like I feel like my feet are better because I watch like the shelter, you know, prepping their feet and they're gonna golden, you know, everything.
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Just there's so much over there.
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So I highly recommend everybody follow.
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Yes.
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Well, thanks.
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I mean, that means a lot coming from this group for sure, because you guys are great.
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So yeah.
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You educational video last Barkley, right?
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Last year or the year before?
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Yeah, the year before.
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Yeah, it was two years ago.
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Yeah, because they stopped doing two categories.
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Exactly, of course.
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Evan.
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Evan.
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We're always like that.
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They need to bring they need to bring that back.
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I like having them separate, education and entertainment.
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Yeah because they are disseparate.
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They are very separate, yeah.
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It's gonna be like just yeah, never mind.
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Yeah, we we all know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Um so you also work with Chris Christensen.
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I do.
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So we obviously love that.
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We love that company.
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We we've talked about the brushes before.
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Um, how long have you worked with them?
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Um about 10 years.
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Okay.
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So yeah, like Chris, when Chris was alive, um he kind of recruited me at a dog show.
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And uh, so I would do, I would go to shows and like do show support, like the dog shows, right?
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So I go to prefs and the world dog show and things like that.
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And that was great.
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And Chris was like such a character.
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And yeah, like he's and uh he had visions, but he would like consult with me like about like different hairsprays and different products and different brushes, which was super cool.
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And uh then during COVID, I started doing webinars, which to your point about leading it to like I had no idea how to do a webinar, right?
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Right.
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So we decided we would do a web.
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I think it was like the success starts in the bath or something like that.
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Was our web.
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And we basically were thinking, okay, two weeks to flatten the curve, right?
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Let's have a webinar and just bring the dog show community, the dog people together.
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And so we had a Zoom account, and so it was like, you know, you could have 10 people, I think, on your webinar.
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And I thought, well, that's enough, right?
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Yeah.
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And so like three days before the webinar, we had like 787.
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And I remember looking at the thing and it was 787.
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I'm like, uh trial by fire.
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So we started doing webinars, and then of course it wasn't two weeks to flatten the curve.
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And yeah, so um Chris saw me, I started doing it about products.
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I I reserved the right to be authentic.
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I reserved the right to say, I like this, I like that.
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You know, people come to me and they say, Oh, you know, blah, blah, blah.
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And I, you know, I like this, but should I try that?
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And I've said, Well, what are you using right now?
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And I'll say, Well, that should work for you.
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So how are you using it?
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Right.
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Right.
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And I'm, you know, not and I always tell people, like, if you look in my Tack box, my grooming salon, there's never one brand in there.
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We all know that.
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Right.
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Right.
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We all know that.
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And so I reserve that right.
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And then it just kind of like turned into its own thing.
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They asked me um to do education like for the entire company, and that was right up my alley at the time.
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Also, I wanted to retire from showing dogs and just show my own.
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Um, and then they didn't have a brand manager, and I was like, there was a few issues I knew that I could fix, like just like, oh, like we need to get these projects moving forward.
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Right.
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And so then, then like here I am.
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One thing led to another.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's very cool.
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No, that's awesome.
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And you've had several brushes you've put out since, and we love them.
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The big A.
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The big A.
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We're always recommending it.
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Which I actually wanted to call the big soft because I think it's softer.
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And then everybody was like, uh-uh.
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It's gonna be the big A.
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Because also there was a story, like when I was eight, and my birthday cake said happy birthday, big Al, and I cried.
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So that's cute.
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Um, I don't think there's I think the um the Chris Christensen brush is probably like one of the most like copied brushes.
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Oh, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, you know, um but never duplicated.
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I've tried a couple other brands and um there's yeah, it's that's the one for us.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, you know, we do have a warranty with it, which I always tell people, you know, I'm gonna fix you up, right?
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If something happens.
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Okay, so tell me about this warranty because I got like I didn't I never knew that.
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I always when I break something or something like with they don't break that often, but over my years it's happened, and I always just go, but a new one.
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Yeah, well, I might have a couple in a drawer somewhere.
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No, you know who has one is Kat.
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I still use it, even though Kat has one from like forever ago.
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This brush has gotta be old.
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It was my first Chris uh it's gotta be forever old.
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I don't need to get the one that you stepped on?
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Yeah, and cracked it, and then I just glued it back together.
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Yeah, glued it back together.
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It still works.
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She still uses it.
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That quality, huh?
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Yeah, you go.
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Even from it's perfect.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, I I have I have others too.
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She does have others.
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So I like I will just like we have a brush warranty, right?
00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:26.960
We have a tool warranty, and basically take a picture of it and email it to me, and I'll help you out or meet me at a trade show, right?
00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:34.799
And and there are things like there are manufactured defects, like there are things that are going to go wrong and you just stand behind it.
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Yeah, right?
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You know, that's all.
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I love that.
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Things happen for sure.
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Yeah.
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So I saw that you're on the docket this year for Groomania.
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I know.
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Are you so are you just judging?
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Are you teaching there as well?
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I have no idea.
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You know how kitty is like kitty and kitty, like they're like, are you doing this, this, that, that?
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And I'm and I'm just showing up and do what they say.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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I think I'm teaching a couple classes and that's exciting.
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I'm doing poodles at the world, and that's really what I'm excited about.
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So that's really, really exciting.
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That'll be great.
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Do you judge a lot of grooming competitions?
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Um, I do.
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I try um, I really like judging like the beginner and like intermediate classes.
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Like that's kind of yeah, that's where I really like exciting.
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People don't get mad at you.
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Well, first of all, I don't care if they get mad at me.
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But I have very, very concrete ideas of of how what a trim should look like.
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Right.
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I'm I'm outline before finish.
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Right.
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I you know, um I think that comes from dog showing.
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Yeah, because I agree with you.
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If the profile is not right, who cares?
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Who cares about the finish?
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You could practice scissor work all day, every day.
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That's okay.
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We can work on that.
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But if you don't have the eye to look at the dog, understand the structure of that dog and fix it, well, what are we doing?
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're speaking to the choir, right?
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I completely agree.
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They need to look like the breed for me first.
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Um, and that's where I think I can really help beginner and intermediate people to just like help them get the balance on the trim.
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Because once you have balance on a trim and figure, you know, with that breed specific outline, you're good to go.
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Everything else you will figure out to the degree of your ability.
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Right.
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Right.
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But let's start with the basics.
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Yeah.
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I agree with you.
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And I feel like you can really ignite a passion in those people that are starting, and you can really like uplift them.
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And they're so happy to like get that information and to grow and learn.
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Yeah.
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And it I think that's so important, right?
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Like we have to we have to uplift those people.
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Uh, I think that's our job.
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Yes.
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Have you ever competed in a grooming competition?
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Yeah.
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Uh I competed once, I went best into own, never went back.
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Because I was just like, There you go.
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And like, here's a blast from the past, but it was Shauna Bernardin that actually taught me into it.
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Her and I were really good friends back in like the dog show days.
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And shout out to her.
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She like came out of I don't know where she'd retired from showing dogs for like 15 years and is currently number one all breeds in Canada with wire haired pointing griffon.
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Wow.
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Where did that go?
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That's wild.
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Do you ever like coming from the dog show world, do you ever find it like difficult you're looking at a dog and it's just like a beautiful dog?
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But maybe the maybe the the profile or the the trim it isn't as good, but like it just keeps pulling your eye because it's so pretty, you know?
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Yes.
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That I yeah, we have a hard time with that sometimes.
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Where I'm like, I'm just looking at this dog, I'm like, oh, we're like, do we just like the dog or do we like the trim?
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Like and for me, like you know, especially the poodle class, but any of the purebred classes, when you're I like you know, you go watch when they walk in the ring, like into the grooming competition, and they're getting prejudged, and you're like, that's a beautiful dog.
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And then you watch it trimmed and it's less beautiful when it's trimmed, and you're just like, dang it, that was your fault.
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Right.
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Like that was a really nice dog.
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That was a really nice dog.
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And it's for me, it's people that like try to build things that aren't there.
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Yeah.
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Yes, I I yes, I agree with you.
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Well, I think what in the beginning that's what you think, right?
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Like, oh, I I need to, you know, I need to add hair.
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But really, if you have a beautiful dog, you're taking it away.
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Right.
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You don't need to cover anything up.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I'm gonna be competing at uh um not at worlds, but at the uh individuals with a pool.
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I'm gonna be doing my um my uh my modified continental.
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So for anyone listening that may be competing there, do you have any like I got obviously I don't want to ask anything too direct, but do you have any like advice for anybody that um is competing?
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Never competed in Europe, perhaps?
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Yes.
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So I think in Europe they are even more aware of us building angles into our dogs, right?
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So, you know, everybody loves to like build this big shelf behind their poodle and they think it looks really fancy, which uh if you want to think that that looks fancy, that's great.
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Like I understand that, and I think that that's what a lot like to your point, I think that that's what a lot of people have learned, right?
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I need to build this big tail set into my dog.
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Um but I think once you do that, you've lost all balance to your trim.
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Like that's where everything else starts to suffer.
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And I think that they're way European judging, I think they're way more aware of that.
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Um, I think a balance on a head trim, right?
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Making sure that the head trim is coming into the rest of the competition.
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I think that typically the dogs in Europe, um, especially at Groomania, they're just in, they start out in.
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Such beautiful condition.
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Yeah.
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They look a lot at how much hair is on the floor.
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Right.
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Like when I was like I judged poodles at Crufts at the Grooming Competition at Crufts.
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Oh, exciting.
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And yeah, and it was like when you got to the open class, um, it was a lot of hair in those dogs.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Like they took they took them pretty hair.
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They are.
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They are.
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Uh they don't always have Sally breaks.
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Oh.
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Interesting.
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Which really ticks me off.
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Well, it's it's surprising too because they really I do feel like um they talk about like the dog, you know.
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Animal welfare.
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Like they say, you know, like they don't do anything creative there or anything like that because it's like but yet there's no Sally break.
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Um, I think that that's something Groomania is working on changing.
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I think Kitty uh working on it.
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We were at um Master Groom.
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At Master Groom and they did a with Kitty.
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And she was yeah, she was in charge of like timing.
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And and I think like shout out to Barb, like I think Barb Hukel, like she was one of the ones that kind of like said to Kitty, hey, like let's make this kind of snack, right?
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So yeah, I think that's great.
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No, Barb's amazing.
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Yeah, we love her so we love her.
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Yeah.
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I just love Canada.
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Every time I go to Canada, it's so much fun.
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I know we love it there.
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We went up to Banff and like went fishing and the and it was just it was like the bees' knees.
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Yeah.
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I live on Vancouver Island.
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Right.
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So I live like where there's orcas and humpbacks.
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I know I want to come and visit you.
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I remember you mentioned it.
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I was like, okay, I'm gonna make Nathan come out and practice spray-ups.
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That's his um, that's his Achilles heel is spray-ups.
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I you just have to do it a lot.
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Well, no more.
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I think he cut it, yeah.
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He cut his uh well uh we had our mini in a full continental and he was practicing, but not enough.
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So I could I could do it, right?
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I I'm not gonna say I'm I'm terrible at it, but I'm not like great at it.
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But I'm I'm competent enough competent enough to do a spray up.
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But to me, it's it like it's it'll be coming out great, and then all of a sudden something happens, and then the whole thing just meh, you know?
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:07.759
So yeah, I need more.
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:09.519
He does need to just practice.
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:18.880
We we may be getting another standard poodle sometime in our near future that will be a show dog, so you'll have to learn how to.
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Buckle up, I guess.
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.960
Because that's the poodle is his is his, he loves hand scissoring.
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I do enjoy scissoring, but I love stripping.
00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.079
So the Scotties are my babies.
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So he's the poodle and carry guy, and I do the the stripping.
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Well, there you go.
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I mean, that's that's why it works.
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:37.440
Yeah, right.
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:39.039
And then everybody has their niche.
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I try to I try to get him to show them with me.
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He'll go in the ring if I force him to.
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I'd rather my son go in.
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My son he started showing when he was uh nine and he'd have a little paper boy hat on, you know, and he had our big black standard poodle.
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He'll have a big one.
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I feel like when he would step into the ring with it, the handlers would be like, oh, damn it.
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:08.400
You know, they'd see him factor to him how cute he is with his little vest on and stuff, and they were like, shit, they know the hitting the dog was is big, so it just looks striking with him running around.
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:11.599
Yeah, he gave him his girl, he got his grand on him, my son dude.
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:12.400
That's amazing.
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:12.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:14.079
In a in a modified content.
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.279
In a modified too, which I feel like is not always that easy to do.
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:18.000
Yeah.
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:19.519
So we're very proud of him.
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:21.599
They're like, we gotta get this kid out of here.
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:24.640
Put him up so we never have to see him again.
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:29.440
You need the cute factor.
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:31.200
You have Ellie, she's cute.
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:32.960
Yeah, she can't handle them sometimes.
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.160
Um the Bachon's Owen's pretty good.
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:37.359
She's too soft.
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:43.359
She's like not good with like disappointing them, and they like run out, you know, they just know they can take advantage of her.
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:47.119
Bishons know they can take advantage of anybody that they run their mind to for sure.
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:54.240
Well, our son is really good, like he's just I think he's got the natural like ability with it, and he's good with dogs.
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:55.759
Obviously, he's grown up with them.
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.920
Our daughter is really good with dogs, but she doesn't handle losing well.
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.440
Which I feel like I feel like I think Ellie's that way too.
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:11.359
I feel like uh, you know, she could be really, really good if she could just like not become emotional about not winning, you know?
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:12.480
Because it happens.
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:13.519
We all lose sometimes.
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:14.400
I mean, I cried.
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:15.359
It's a good lesson.
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:20.960
It's a yeah, she she lost her first couple juniors matches and she she cried, yeah.
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.759
So she was like, What am I doing that they're not doing?
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:25.599
I'm like, you just started.
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:26.400
This girl's been doing it.
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:33.200
So well, and we have some people that are handlers and then their kids are in the ring, so they have much more experience.
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.759
Yeah, building Fadden's granddaughters in the ring.
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:36.319
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.799
Yeah, we have a lot of heavy hitters in our area.
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:40.240
Yes, yes, we live.
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:50.799
But Ellie, one of her first times out, I had her show their dog, and um, she took best opposite over a champion bit from the classes, so that kind of got her a little excited.
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:55.920
But then uh I had her try to take Maddie in the ring, and he's just he's just really crazy.
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.759
So she's like, I'm done with this.
00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:58.799
Never again.
00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:02.880
She's only eight, so that's how it is though.
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:13.519
I sometimes winning in the beginning, I think, is not good for a kid because like I took my um the first time I took my son fishing, literally on the first cast, he starts reeling and he catches a fish.
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:20.319
And um, so now like anytime we go fishing, he's like he makes a couple casts and he's like, Where the hell are the fish at?
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:22.000
This is not fun.
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.400
So I think that every time you go fishing.
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.359
Yeah, exactly.
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:26.480
And it's a good lesson.
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.000
I think you learn more from losing than you do from winning, you know.
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:31.519
So it sucks.
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.440
Yeah, we don't always want to learn.
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.119
We don't always want to learn.
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:40.880
Sometimes I'd rather just win, but I tell you, you're more likely to lose than you are to win, you know.
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.960
But you know, just you gotta do it.
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:48.880
So we try and take her to classes, and she's yeah, she gets bored easy and classes, you know.
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.000
I think yeah, I think classes, yeah.
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.079
I think handling classes are hard for people and dogs personally, yeah, right?
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.240
Just because you're never in the ring for an hour.
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:03.920
No kind of handling classes an hour, so that's yeah, we're teaching we're teaching our kids and our dogs how to be bored, right?
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.200
Like that's exactly so far.
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.079
I don't usually take my Scotties to handling classes because I don't need them bored.
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:11.279
I want them feisty.
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:12.000
Yeah.
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:16.960
So I don't even, you know, I'm like, Well, you know, we'll figure it out, trial by fire, you know?
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:17.359
Yeah.
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:25.039
We were when we first got into when Katie first got in the showing, um, we were like really into the the handling classes with the Scotties.
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.119
No, it wasn't the Scotty, it was the English conqueror.
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.200
And I remember um being like, Oh, he's gotta be so good.
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:36.880
And then we'd go to our look to a show, and then there'd be puppies just acting crazy and they would win.
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.920
And I'm like And I'd be like, I try, I practice so hard, my dog was perfect, you know.
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.680
Standing and they're like, the pup they want to see the dogs having fun, you know.
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.480
They don't want so yeah, it was definitely a learning line.
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.880
I was like, Oh, they don't actually care if the dogs are perfect in the ring for especially for class dogs.
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:58.079
Like, obviously, special is a different story, but they need to see what they need to see, right?
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.519
But especially in Scotty's, they need to see that temperament as well.
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:02.079
Yeah, right.
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.000
Especially where you live.
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.960
I think that you probably run into more good terrier judges because that's a big terrier, you know.
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:10.640
California is a big terrier area.
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:10.799
Yeah.
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.799
So I think that you have more people that are aware of what terrier temperament should be.
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:15.839
Yeah, yeah, right.
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:22.559
Yeah, it's it's fun, it's always fun when we get to see like a some dog sparring or something, you know, and like I want Sean's to spar.
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.240
I know some people are like, oh, I don't think sparring's right, but what do you what do you think?
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.920
Do you I think it's absolutely right.
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:28.319
Yeah.
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:28.640
Yeah.
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.039
I mean, I think it needs to be done properly.
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:31.680
Safely.
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:32.400
Right.
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:38.319
And I think that that people need how to learn, but also some judges are just like, right?
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.319
They don't like give clear instructions.
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.720
And especially like if you ever spar a carry, like you spar a carry from 15 feet away from the other carry.
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:45.440
Right, yeah, yeah.
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:47.039
We're not putting them face to face.
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:52.960
You might put two Airedale bitches closer to like you know, nose to nose, because they're just like looking at you with their ears back for food, right?
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:54.079
Like it depends on the breed.
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:55.039
It depends on the breed.
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.839
But like when I showed my carry, like, and they'd bring it out and spar, I would just like turn mine into Sand of the Ring.
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:02.960
I am right, because like otherwise they're like jumping higher than you.
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:09.839
I love I watching some carries spar though, is it I mean, it people describe it as electric, and I that's what it is.
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:13.359
You're it's absolutely you're just watching and just waiting.
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:14.720
And they're quivering.
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:15.680
Yeah, like I took.
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.799
I took my carry to Montgomery and like he'd won like 80 best in shows at this point.
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.680
Oh, but I took him to Montgomery.
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.920
I was terrified, right?
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:31.279
I was terrified, and I knew they were gonna spar them, and I was just like, like, I threw up before I went in the room.
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:32.240
Right.
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.480
And like I'm like doing everything, and then they're like spar them.
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:48.000
I'm like, oh god, like I bought a new leash and a new collar, and I knew everything everything had to be perfect, and I'm just like, okay, and my dog's and I knew what he would do, and he was the kind that was like a shark, like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.079
And then boom, right, he would go.
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:51.599
So yeah, I was terrified.
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:53.359
Well, how'd you do?
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.519
Well, he was in the classes, okay.
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.000
Wow, okay, there you go.
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.799
So um, this carry, did you own it?
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:03.759
No, I didn't.
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.000
He um he was bred in Ireland by the people that bred Mick.
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.039
Oh, so and then No wonder.
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:12.640
We talked about Mick before.
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:13.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:13.680
Yep.
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.000
I think everybody knows Mick.
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:16.240
Yeah.
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:17.839
Like he's iconic.
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:18.079
Yeah.
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.119
He's very iconic.
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.480
And actually Taffy McFadden and I worked for the same professional handler.
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:29.599
Like, she's the one that got me my job when she like stopped working for Susan Hillman, who I like that's who my apprenticed under.
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:29.839
Yeah.
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:42.400
And um, so then that dog went to Australia and was with a friend of mine in Australia and he was top dog all breeds, and he they didn't expect him to be top dog all breeds like that quickly, so they didn't want to show him the next year and have him lose.
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:48.799
So he's like, I have this fantastic dog, and if you have money for him, like to pay for him, you can have them.
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.599
And I was like, I don't want to show a carry.
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.599
Like, why would I do that?
00:31:53.839 --> 00:32:01.359
And then there um I had a standard poodle at the time that just wasn't turning out the way I wanted her to, and that same person, blah di-dee, blah, blah.
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:06.960
I flew to Amsterdam, I saw the carry, and I brought him back with me, and there you go, he was top dog all breeds.
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:16.319
So, but what I love, so I even if a standard poodle wasn't my top special, I had always had a standard poodle special except for that year.
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:23.680
So, you know, every year or every single dog show for like 130 dog shows a year, I would show my standard poodle, win, lose, or draw.
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.960
I would be the last one to leave the building because I'm washing the hairspray out of it every single night and I'm doing like all those things.
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:30.720
And that was just my life, right?
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.480
Like everybody else is like, oh, we're going to dinner here.
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:38.079
And I've said, well, if I'm done in time, like if the power doesn't blow or like any of these 800 things, I'll meet you guys there for dinner.
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:46.160
So I won my first Bush and Show with the carry, and I got my picture taken and I walked back to my setup, and I was like, Huh.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.039
What do I do?
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.240
I just put a rubber band in his beard and let him pee, and I'm done.
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:53.359
I can go for dinner.
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:54.880
Like it was so exciting.
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:56.319
It was a whole year of that.
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.640
And halfway through the year, somebody's like, Do you want my standards pool?
00:32:58.880 --> 00:32:58.960
No.
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.920
Yeah, I do not.
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:01.279
I'm actually okay.
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:02.000
I'm okay.
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:04.640
How many best then shows uh did he end up with?
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.359
104.
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:06.240
Wow.
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:06.640
Wow.
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:07.759
That's so cool.
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:08.559
That was really cool.
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:09.279
Oh my goodness.
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We recently, I don't think we've actually said it.
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:55.200
People are picking up on it.
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:55.759
Is that okay?
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:56.319
Yeah.
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.160
We just acquired a carry.
00:33:58.400 --> 00:33:58.960
Oh, nice.
00:33:59.279 --> 00:33:59.680
A baby.
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.559
She is just so sweet.
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:04.160
He's in we're both in love with her.
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.840
Right now, her temperament is like really sweet, and she's very young, so I mean, you know, you never know.
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:10.639
You never know.
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:17.440
Uh of course we want a little fire in her, but we're hoping that she'll be like bittable in the house with the other dogs, so we'll see, you know.
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:30.960
Yeah, when uh when I had Jack, um, because he was going back to Australia when he was done and because of his pedigree, I actually leased a carry bitch because I was just like, there needs to be puppies out of this dog in Canada and North America.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:32.480
And I bred a litter of carries.
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:32.960
Oh wow.
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:42.719
And I I actually had a litter of standard poodles around the same age, and I used to run the carries with my standard poodles, and I used to actually run Jack with my standard poodle bitch, and they were fine, right?
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.440
I think that like I would never do it with a stranger's dog.
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:45.760
Right.
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:52.159
You know, I think that yeah, I think that when you know what you're doing and you kind of raise them with expectations, yeah, it can happen.
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:52.800
Exactly.
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:53.519
So we're gonna do that.
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.360
I think it's it's it's kind of unfair sometimes when people put expectations on dogs that are unrealistic.
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:06.880
Not necessarily yeah, unrealistic, and also just like, you know, you you don't want to put them in a position where you're setting them up to fail, you know?
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:08.639
I say that a lot, right?
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.880
You know, like a lot of people do set themselves or their dogs up to fail.
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:18.639
And yeah, you know, you need to like kind of keep control of all of those things, and you need to be the pack leader.
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.159
And a terrier is a terrier.
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.000
We're not gonna expect them to be anything but a terrier.
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:35.280
My uh my favorite, my heart dog was a pit bull, and and um he's been passed away for a long time, but I uh I still still tell people like, yeah, get a pit bull, but I I I consider them like a race car more.
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:44.079
Like if you're learning how to drive, this is your first dog, I would learn with the Honda Civic, you know, or maybe not a uh a Corvette, you know.
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.880
Just get something a little bit more um you gotta practice, yes, yeah.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.800
Something well, and I teach people that about grooming because terriers are my passion.
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.000
If you get a terrier in the salon and you expect it to act like a golden retriever, you're gonna be upset.
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:58.320
Yes.
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:03.599
But if you expect it to act like a terrier, you're gonna be fine because you're not mad anymore.
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:04.960
It's being what it is.
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:05.920
Exactly.
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:13.360
And so my son, he had English cockers growing up and you know, lived with me, had poodles, had Slukies, had Shelties, like we had pugs, right?
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.840
We had a lot of different breeds, and he was around all the show dogs.
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.159
He really actually loved wirehead pointing griffons when I showed them.
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.559
He would always like, Mom, can I take like flash to bed?
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:21.199
Yeah, go ahead.
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:27.039
Um, but as an adult, he bought uh an Australian cattle dog.
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:27.840
Oh my gosh.
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.400
I thought you were gonna say Australian labradoodles.
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.400
No, no, he knows he knows.
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.239
You're like here, Brenton.
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.840
You're like, I'm not trying to get disowned.
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:36.960
Yeah, exactly.
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.480
And uh it against my better judgment, clearly, right?
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.440
And uh, but shout out to Ripley.
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:51.920
But um he but he did all of his research and he goes, Mom, he's gonna be a velociraptor till he's two years of age, and he did and they did, they worked really, really hard with him.
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.519
But there was a time he was like 18 months old and he was just really reactive to dogs on the street and things like that.
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:10.159
And he hired a dog trainer to come and literally she spent like half an hour with them, like walking on the street and taught them different things to do, and then he would go, he saw her like three more times, and and it just really taught them a lot.
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.199
But yeah, I'm a grandmother to an Australian cattle dog.
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:22.639
And actually in Leading Edge, we have a webinar called Um Unruly Show Dogs, like how to train your own and yeah, Ripley is the poster child.
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:24.480
Oh my gosh, that's a good one.
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.239
That's uh I should watch that for Maddie.
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.599
Is she a shark still?
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.599
No, he's he's pretty good now.
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.880
He um, but you know, he is an Australian cattle dog.
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.320
Like every once in a while he just looks at you and just like, yeah, whatever, I'm not doing that.
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.320
Well, it's just you know, all the corgi people that come in the salon, right?
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.000
And they go, like, I don't understand why this dog's always biting my ankles.
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.480
And you're like, Yeah, they're cattle herders.
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:47.920
They're more than just butt.
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:49.360
Yeah, and they're like, What?
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.440
And I'm like, Yeah, they were bred to like herd cattle by biting them.
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.119
Like, what do you mean?
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.039
I just ex had that exact conversation with my stepdaughter.
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.039
My stepdaughter has two little girls, three and like 16 months.
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:10.000
And so she sent me a picture of like a Corgi cross, and she's like, We really want to get a dog, what do you think?
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:11.039
And I said, Absolutely not.
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:16.320
It is going to it is going to bite the ankles of those girls for the next eight years.
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:23.039
Yeah, because they are going to run and they are going to it's gonna hurt them, and they're not gonna be old enough to correct it.
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:23.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.239
And I just said, like, dog dough.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.559
No, don't you?
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.119
They need to do their job, they need somebody to do that.
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:32.239
That's what they're gonna do.
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:33.679
Like, it's absolutely natural.
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.840
Yeah, we had a client who he's like, don't put a bandana on my corgi because I can't get it off.
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:39.599
It'll bite me on my cork.
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:41.119
Oh poor guy.
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:46.800
Yeah, he literally like one time I did put it on and he's twitching like to grab it off of him.
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:48.320
Or like, dude.
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:49.840
You gotta stop.
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.400
That guy ran that man's life though, because he wasn't really a problem for us that much.
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.639
No, he was actually very good for him.
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:58.000
He was just naughty for his nails.
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:02.320
So you are still showing and um breeding poodles, right?
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:02.719
Yeah.
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.000
Do you do all the sizes, one of the sizes?
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.760
Um so standards have always so I started with miniatures.
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.280
Um and but standards are my love, right?
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:14.159
Standards are my love.
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:14.719
Understand.
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:21.039
Um basically because toy poodles are really like little jerks.
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:31.599
Um, but a couple years ago, um, my good friends Afterglow poodles in England that I co-breed poodles with, um, they had a little dog, and his name was Okie Doki.
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.960
Oh, and um, yeah, he came to me.
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:40.559
Um he came to me, he was owned by somebody else, and they just said, Hey, can you like get his Canadian championship?
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:49.599
And I loved that dog because, and like he lived with me for like three months, and at this point I wasn't handling dogs professionally, but I took it like as a favor to my friends.
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:50.000
Right.
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.440
And he was a little tiny standard poodle, right?
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.400
Because that's what everybody wants toy poodles to be, and that's what they're not.
00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.360
Right, yeah, but temperament-wise, they're not.
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.079
And he was like, and I loved that thing, right?
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:03.360
I was like, oh my god.
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:06.639
And so we actually have a niece of his, her name's Audrey.
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.760
No, afterglow little black dress, right?
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.320
And so I only wear a little black dress when I show her.
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:19.280
And of course, and um, so I actually co-own her with um my assistant who's been with me since she was 12.
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:20.719
She started out as my dog show assistant.
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.280
Now she's the manager of Leading Edge Dog Show Academy.
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:36.239
And yeah, so I just get to like show up at fancy dog shows and show her if I want to, or I'm actually Katie's been doing really well showing her, and I'm really just trying to make that Katie's job, right?
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:42.880
Um, but I've enjoyed the one I enjoy toy poodles that are little standard poodles, but you just have to really parse that out.
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:50.320
So yeah, my my daughter, that's one she's been asking for for years, and I was like, no, first of all, you're gonna break it, or the bichons will break it.
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.039
And but I was like, yeah, they're little personalities.
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:54.320
I was like, I don't think I can do it.
00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.880
Well, I'll actually tell you the so about five years ago, I decided I need a toy poodle.
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.239
Like I love standard poodles.
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.960
I need a toy poodle because we go to all these screaming competitions.
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.800
I want a demo dog, I want my own demo dog, right?
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:15.360
So I'm gonna get a toy poodle because then it can just be in a sherpa, it can go to these shows, it can do all the things, then I don't have to worry about my demo dog.
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:16.320
Prep so much less.
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.199
So I like I have a yeah, exactly, exactly.
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:26.000
And uh so I have a friend of mine who's a breeder, and he had, and I I had always really liked silvers.
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:30.800
And of course, silvers in toys are to me much cuter than minis and standards.
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.960
Sorry, everybody with silver minis and standards, and but like I really like the color that his dogs cleared out to.
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:41.679
So he had two boys that he was running on, and then he goes, Okay, you can I want you to have this one.
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:50.400
And I said, Okay, so I showed up at the dog show to pick him up, and uh within an hour he had bit three people, including me.
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.000
So I called him Little Bastard.
00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:02.079
And two doing the good names, yeah, yeah, today to this day, his name is LB for Little Bastard.
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:06.000
And uh my mom has to sometimes babysit him like it when I went away.
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.280
Well, I actually gave him to a friend because I'm not a very good friend.
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:14.079
And um, and she's actually one of best and like I think three best and shows on him, right?
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.599
But he hated her husband, right?
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.199
Like continued beat so his registered name was parfait profanity.
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:29.519
Um but but that's but and that turned completely it just made everything I thought about toy poodles come true, right?
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.079
He was like, he was a little bastard in every way.
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:39.920
He wanted to pee in my house, he just wanted to do all those things, and so then like now that I have a different toy poodle, I'm like, okay, they're you know they're not that bad.
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:40.480
They're not that bad.
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:42.159
Maybe someday when she's a teenager.
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:42.719
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:43.360
But talk to me.
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:48.719
I'll help you get one of the ones that we got uh we got a mini, and now I I really like minis.
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.320
I do, I think if they have the right temperament, I agree same thing, right?
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:52.719
Same thing.
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.719
To be fair, when we got him, I had he was eight weeks old and I had a litter of Scotties at home.
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.679
And I didn't I tried to keep them separate, actually.
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:08.320
I was like, Oh, I'm gonna keep them separate because they were only a couple weeks apart, but I was like, these guys are gonna tear him apart, right?
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:15.760
No, he would jump up onto the couch and throw himself into their pen and steal their food.
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.360
So he's tough as nails.
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:18.960
They were like, who is this guy?
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:20.079
What's he doing in here?
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.559
And he he's like dominant over the oh over all the Scotties.
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:26.719
Like, I don't know what it is about raising him with it.
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:44.400
Maybe it's just the the mini poodles to me are pretty much they're so smart and they're you know bravado, so he's so maybe having that that Scotty, you know, like the the bitch is definitely he's not dominant over her, but like if we have sweet, soft Scotty boys and they're like ooh, you know.
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.360
Yeah, or we we have a Wheaton bitch that runs the house that runs the city.
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.639
She really runs the house, the Wheaton bitch, the Scotty.
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.039
So you have Scottties and a Wheaton and a standard poodle and a miniature poodle.
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.199
A Wheaton Scotty, a Wheaton colored Scotty.
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:57.679
Oh, okay.
00:43:58.239 --> 00:43:59.679
We have Scotty, not a soft coat of Wheaton.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.800
No, no, yeah.
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:02.400
We have three Scottys.
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:03.360
I think we have eight dogs.
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.280
Yeah, three Scotties, three poodles.
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:06.000
Thank you.
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:06.239
Thank you.
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:07.679
And the carry.
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:08.800
And the English cocker.
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:09.280
Yeah.
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.119
I had, I think, in my heyday, I think I had three Salukies.
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:16.320
I loved Salukies.
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.599
Because my was brought up with Afghans and I just think that they're like intelligent Afghans.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:19.760
Yeah.
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:30.960
So I had like I had like three Salukies, a couple Shelties, a pug, uh, Blue Ron and Tan English cocker, which was my son's, and a couple standard poodles, right?
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.639
And it was just like, okay, on my day off, this is what I'm doing.
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:35.360
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:36.880
A lot of hair, a lot of big dogs.
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.440
That's a lot.
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.840
Um, I I like Shelties too a lot.
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:40.320
Yeah.
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.960
Okay, question about um Afghan hounds.
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:43.920
Somebody asked me something.
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:54.480
A client came in and she asked if she wanted Turkish pants on her Afghan hand, and I was I and I did not know what that meant to her.
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:55.360
So Okay.
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.960
So um Afghans can be very, very patterned.
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.480
They call it patterning, right?
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.719
So some Afghans will have like a little tiny woolier coated ones tend to have like a little tiny strip down their back.
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.079
So think of Afghanistan, right?
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.400
So Afghanistan is desert and mountain.
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:16.239
And so we would refer to it as desert type or mountain type, Turkish type, or like different things.
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.400
So big, heavily coated Afghans often have very little patterning.
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.800
Often you have to work on, you know, like they have monkey whiskers when they're puppies.
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:26.800
Often you have to work at getting the monkey whiskers out.
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.039
You have to work on the saddle, you have to work on all those things.
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.519
So Turkish ones were patterned.
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:37.760
Um, often they have zero or very little monkey, like just kind of fake monkey whiskers.
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:43.280
Often they don't have mandarins and they'll have like the fronts of their front feet will be make naked.
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:52.559
The backs of their back legs from the like the pinbone, like almost down to the hawk, like just to above the hawk, will be patterned like the saddle.
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:53.679
It'll have that same coat.
00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:02.400
And often the front of the stifle from right below, kind of like the apex of the stifle, down to the top of the foot will also be patterned.
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:11.360
So that same short, you know, like if you think of it on like a red Afghan, that he'll be that dark, very dark red, short, like a short coat dog almost, right?
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.559
And you almost have to do like nothing to them.
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.400
Okay, so this client was telling me because she's like, Oh, do Turkish pants, and I was like, I don't know what that is.
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.360
And I'm looking, I'm trying to research it and figure it out.
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:37.599
And I got some conflicting information, and uh, I did see that it was uh a pattern thing too, but it's not something like because now I have to obviously have to tell this lady like well she took it somewhere else and they gave it poodle feet.
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.119
Yeah, can you imagine giving an app that hair foot a poodle foot?
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:44.159
Stop.
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.880
Yeah, and we were like left everything else fuzzy.
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.199
I understand not knowing what Turkish pants are because we didn't know, but don't give it poodle feet.
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:51.679
Exactly.
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:52.960
Oh my god.
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.239
So, first of all, look up heavily patterned Afghan or patterned Afghan.
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.199
Actually, Leading Edge Dog Show Academy has an Afghan course, and we did one.
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:01.840
Oh, perfect.
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:02.800
Well, it's not out yet.
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:13.679
We're editing the film, but it has a very um it we did it on a hairy one and then we had a very patterned one come in because we wanted to show it can be both, right?
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:21.679
Because like, you know, same thing show people get one, and to often the breeder can predict like how patterned or not, but not always, right?
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.480
Especially some of the bitches just like, oh guess what?
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.360
I'm gonna be super patterned, like after my first season.
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:39.360
Yeah, but it would also to me be something that would be hard to groom in because you're gonna you're you can't strip it because it's not gonna have hair under like you know, we if you strip out a saddle, the the saddle hair is there.
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.920
If the hair isn't there, it's not there.
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.119
You're gonna get down to skin, so you're gonna have to shave it, right?
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.599
Which it or scissor itch very, very short, which isn't gonna give the same look because it's not gonna have that darkness.
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.519
So you're gonna have to like kind of explain that to her.
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:59.039
Like I could you could definitely like take a 7F or something and like shave that the pattern in, but it'll just look weird.
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.199
It'll look weird, it'll look like you made a mistake.
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:02.639
Yeah, that's what I think.
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:03.679
Yeah, and they'll be happy.
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:10.159
Well, good to know because that's something that he can communicate now and go over that with them and then see where they want to move on from there.
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:14.960
And I think if you like, I'll send you some pictures of heavily patterned what color is it?
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.400
It is um it's like the blonde with the black mask.
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:22.559
With a uh with a it's it's a little bit lighter, maybe uh it's a black mask.
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:23.679
Yeah.
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:31.440
So I'll send you pictures of ones that are heavily patterned so that she can see, like, because it looks kind of like I can understand why people think it looks cool.
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.440
It looks kind of like genie in a bottle, right?
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:38.079
But it's partly because of the juxtaposition of that darker coat, right?
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.920
Like think of the saddle being dark, like that's how it would be on the back of the leg, the front of the leg, the front of the front legs, right?
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:45.760
It's gonna be that darker, shorter coat.
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.239
And you just can't you can't recreate that because it's not there.
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:54.800
Um but if you show her that and say, I could shave this pattern, but the hair underneath won't be the same quality.
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:55.280
Right.
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:56.239
No, that'll be great.
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:57.840
Okay, perfect, no problem.
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.559
All right, well, I think we're gonna wrap up so you can head to your booth.
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:03.119
Excellent.
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:04.800
Thank you so much for joining us today.
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.559
Yeah, I feel like we could have talked to you for forever.
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:10.960
And I want to say, you always look fabulous.
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.800
Your hair is always so great, and your outfits are always amazing.
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.280
Oh my god, you guys are so nice.
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.119
And I really enjoy your podcast.
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.280
I really enjoy what you're doing in the industry, all of you.
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:22.320
Like, I think it's amazing.
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.199
And I was just tickled pink that Yes would be here.
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.000
And I am so excited for your podcast.
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:29.679
I only listen to one podcast ours.
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.039
Uh you know listen to two.
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:31.519
Now I listen.
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:32.639
Now we'll listen to two.
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:33.039
Yeah.
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:34.719
Because I love the show world.
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:35.280
Right.
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:36.000
Thanks so much.
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:36.960
Thank you.
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:37.679
Thanks.
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:39.440
We'll catch you next time.
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