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And we are wired together yet again.
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Yet again.
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It's exciting, exciting.
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And this is season two, episode six.
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And we are uh doing a deep dive into all of our AI companions.
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Yeah, we uh last episode, if you are with us, we we had a good time talking about it's kind of a nod to our gaming origins and how I guess that collaboration that if you will, love for technology led into where we are as a business today, and of course has inspired you know our relationship working together with um Winter Net Web in this podcast.
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So we kind of in taking that idea a bit further, we're gonna talk about how we are building a party of tools that will be working together.
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Right.
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Like your couch co-op, your couch co-op RPG.
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Right, role-playing games.
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Exactly right.
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Um again, your you know, your hero doesn't just go out there all by himself.
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You know, I mean they they start off that way.
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Right.
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Um oftentimes, you know, there's gonna be people who join your group as you go.
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Exactly.
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Sometimes it's part of the the plot line or whatever, or you know, sometimes at the very beginning you create those characters, but it really depends on the game.
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But in you know, traditional role-playing game fashion, it's uh not everyone can do the same thing.
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Right.
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So you want to assemble a party with like different abilities, different ways of um, you know, uh being able to navigate a fight and um actually even buying and selling and things like that too.
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Oh yeah, that's true.
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I mean the equipment, I mean it it it sucks when you get like really good equipment and you find it and you don't have a character that can wear it, and it's like, oh man, this you know, two-handed axe.
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Right.
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So, but we were kind of talking and thinking about how the AI landscape is really looking similar.
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We've noted some changes over the past, you know, a few weeks, and a lot of people, you know, are are getting into AI and not one uh assistant is handling all the different tasks that are being thrown at it.
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And new assistants are coming up more and more and more day by day.
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So we were wondering, and you know, I've seen some people talk like, hey, look, I'm gonna leave this one and go to this one, and um, it's interesting now because we're also facing you've developed, let's just say, a relationship it with a particular AI assistant, and there's a lot of background information, uh, a lot of training that has taken place.
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It's got a memory, it's got its memory, you know, when you're subscribed to it.
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Right.
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And um, so it kind of has an idea of your backstory, it's kind of got an idea of your voice.
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Right.
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And I mean it's very useful when you're trying to do work because it knows, hey, look, I know you did this, or in right, like you said, your voice and all that.
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Your writing voice.
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Yeah, sure.
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So you don't want to just completely lose that and go, all right, let me just jump bring in this new one and let's just, you know.
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So we're kind of also thinking, in the future, will there be like a central bank of memory that we um I guess I guess house?
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And then as we collaborate with different AI things, it draws from that toward getting like the long-term understanding of who we are, what we do, and all the information they need, really.
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Sort of like it developing a backstory.
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Yeah, it's like a backstory, yeah.
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An owner's manual, if you will, of each reads.
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The owner that you know or each uh person that's using this tool.
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Right.
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So so it seems like we're moving from one tool, you know.
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When Chat GPT came about, it was like, you know what, we were using that for everything.
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And uh ChatGPT does a great job.
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It's but there's some other big-time players that have entered into the field.
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Oh, yeah, and we talked to Grok.
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Yeah, we yeah, we had Grok uh on the show here, and uh, but others you see it all the time, like uh Jim and I uh with Google.
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Yeah, Google, yeah, Microsoft Copilot, um Perplexity is one, and even uh Claude AI is the new guy, new kid in town, right?
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Kind of been um becoming a lot more popular and spoken about, but I mean there are dozens of other ones out there, and this kind of reminds me of years ago with internet browsers.
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You know, you had you know Netscape and then Internet Explorer, then Firefox came out, so everyone kind of had their preference.
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Um even search engines, you would either use if you had AOL, you you know, probably use that by default.
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Yahoo, Ask Jeeves.
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Ask Jeeves, remember Ask Jeeves?
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Yeah, yeah, and and but ask Jeeves, you kind of felt conversational, so in a kind of an AI sense, you felt like you kind of felt like you were asking your little beard to look at.
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Yeah, right.
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And then Google.
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And then Google.
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And then Google and then Google, right, but then just Google.
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Right.
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I mean smartphone apps too, you know, it's see a lot of these technologies started with like one dominant tool, but then expanded into an entire ecosystem.
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And I think our first experience for the most part with this um would be, I guess we call them our early digital assistants, like Siri, Alexa, um, the Google assistant, which, you know, hey Google.
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Um yeah, Siri has no idea what you're saying.
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Yeah, though I did feel like I remember the first time.
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No, and it still doesn't, unfortunately.
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But when I first a little bit of an accent, it's not no idea.
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It's like, I'm sorry, I don't know what you said.
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Um but I remember sitting it in my car driving down the road and trying to ask it questions, hoping I would be like Night Rider.
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Um, but it didn't, it didn't, it didn't take off in the way I tech wasn't quite there yet.
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Yeah, tech wasn't there yet, and that was a a boy's dream killed immediately.
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But you know, Siri was first, but it kind of struggled to evolve for reasons I don't know, but you know, haven't really researched it.
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Alexa, though, um, because we all had Amazon Prime accounts, we all had all this kind of stuff.
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You know, Alexa became popular in the homes.
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And actually recently we jumped on the bandwagon because I kept hearing about the Alexa Plus capability.
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Which is more conversational.
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Yeah, more conversational.
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I'm sure you saw the ads too.
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And yeah.
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Yeah, we went ahead and tried to see how it works, and and it is more conversational, and it's actually very it's got a chillness about it.
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Yeah.
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It it it does it feels a lot better and not quite as demanding because it's actually kind of feels where you are, if you will.
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And it has memory.
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Yeah, it does.
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Keeping um a bit of information, you know, right, what's been discussed before.
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You remember that thing we're cooking the other week?
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Right.
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Well, that's why we know.
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Yeah.
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We were we were making sure it had memory.
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Yesterday I asked it whether it remembered what I made.
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And this is uh in the context of this, like a week later.
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And I was like, oh yeah, you made that that chicken dish with the croissant wrapped whatever and egg, you know, and I'm like, oh good, it's still, you know, it wasn't like a short-term memory, but it it it went into like this long-term, like you stored that, you know that.
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But I mean, when we were I was cooking the these croissant-wrapped chicken things I like to make in the oven, which is a a made-up recipe, yeah, made up recipe.
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Something you just kind of created through the years.
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So then your kids love it.
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I know they do, yeah.
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And anything your kids love to eat that's you know, what are you like?
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It's like, Daddy, can we have this?
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Or mama, can we have this?
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Sure, we'll make it.
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So, and I'm cooking it, and you know, I'm realizing because there's an egg wash on top, that it started browning a lot quicker than I expected.
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So I just decided, hey, Alexa Plus, let me just go ahead and talk to you for a second.
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I was like, hey, and I'm just talking normally.
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Look, put the chicken thing in there like I was telling you about, you know, you set a timer for it for me.
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Yeah, anyway, they're browning too much, and I'm wondering, should I just turn the temperature down?
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They came back and they were like, look, take a piece of aluminum foil, put it on top.
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That way the heat still hits it, but then it doesn't, you know, blacken the top of the chicken.
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I'm like, whoa, I never thought about that.
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So I did that and I'll now I'm impressed.
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I'm sold.
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I'm like, I got this guy in my kitchen, I got some sous chef that is like really knowledgeable, and I I was really excited because it was a big upgrade from the model we had that was eight years old and couldn't become Alexa Plus.
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But yeah, right, right.
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Yeah, so yeah, that that that that was interesting, and again, it they turned out good, by the way.
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Oh, yeah, that they were fine, and and no one got no one got hurt.
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Um but it really shows how much AI is integrating into the devices that we have, and moving forward as we adopt new ones, we're gonna get used to this relationship we've developed, you know, and how do we you know transfer this information?
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But because also we acknowledge that not every tool can do everything um the same way.
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Right.
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It's gonna it's gonna get way too bloated for one tool to try to do all things.
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Yeah, and there's yeah, no way.
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Just like anything else, it's gonna have to break into pieces and offer different tools for different uh reasons.
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Right.
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So yeah, we kind of put it in in a um just as our our love of the RPG and the nod to it, um put it in kind of the RPG style.
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So um breaking down the AI characters as like the NPCs, uh so non-player characters.
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Um but the most important part that we want to discuss first is if you, you know, as the hero of an RPG, the hero is still the human.
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And so that's like the big deal.
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Um for us, you know, what is what is human as we continuously see human qualities in digital.
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The the human is always gonna be the human, the the hero, the the mastermind, the the boss, the sure the CEO of whatever it is.
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Yes, yeah, right, exactly.
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Of whatever your job is, whatever you're doing.
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Right, and these are tools and and NPC players.
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Right.
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So and again, so not only not one tool can do everything.
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You know, some AI tools we use help you, you know, think through things better and kind of you know collaborate.
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Some just kind of go in and execute a bunch of tasks and things, and then there are a lot of tools out there that you stumble upon, it's just something really new.
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So, you know, we're essentially assembling a party of companions on a quest.
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And some are extremely creative, right?
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So just hang in there with me because we've kind of like named them, and if you have any familiarity to like RPG, traditional franchises and all that, um that'll make sense.
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So, now some games people may be familiar with, like Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, when you're building a a party, if you will, of characters, you know, you choose your abilities based on your situation.
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Um we played a lot of you know, Diablo and Baldur's Gate, where we would switch between different abilities we had learned in real time.
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Right as characters.
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And you make sure that you're not the same, and you know, because we could do those together as as so it was two heroes pretty much.
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Pretty much in that case, yeah.
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And so we needed to make sure that you know if you were gonna have most of the strength, I was gonna have most of the magic, you know that kind of thing.
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So we could bounce off each other.
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Sure, and you don't want to invest all into one.
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Two barbarians.
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You don't want two clerics, you want, you know, exactly the ability to bounce off.
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Sure.
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I mean, and it's very important to have all those different skill sets at play.
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Um, yeah, I mean, e even Pokemon, you know, where you're building a team of monsters, you kind of choose which would make sense for the fight, and um, you know, you don't use them all at once.
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So all of these games and the familiarity of it, I think we kind of take that into um this extended metaphor.
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Um and as far as its connection to AI, it works exactly the same way.
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And we've talked about prompt writing in the past, not to any like great detail, but it is important to know what you're looking to achieve when you're using AI.
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So if you don't ask specifically, then you're not gonna get the result you intend.
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Well, just as writing a really good prompt is important, you know, sometimes choosing the right companion first is what you should consider because you may be asking of a particular AI tool to do something when maybe its programming isn't fully, you know, it hasn't leveled up enough in that, if you want to.
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Right, right.
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So some are just automatically.
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Right, exactly on the creative side or on the writing side.
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Well, sure, yeah.
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Um, and that's that's definitely true.
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So the real power comes when you build like a team.
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So we're gonna get into um the first type of AI, like in our party, that we're gonna call the mage or cleric.
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So this is your thinking companion.
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Um, and this is kind of where we first met AI with ChatGPT.
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I mean, remember that?
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Didn't it didn't seem like long ago, but it's actually been a couple years now.
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Um it was the first platform that the majority of us had heard of and really good at brainstorming, um, good explaining things, but it's also kind of very diverse.
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Um, also used by a lot of people for like writing and creative work.
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Emerging now, we are seeing clawed AI.
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I'm seeing a lot of people talk about switching from the one to the other.
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Um, they're crediting it with having extremely strong, you know, writing quality, good at looking at really big documents and analyzing those appropriately, um, even giving good feedback with editing and reasoning with something that you know is being honed and written.
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Um so both, I guess, Claude AI and Chat GPT being our cleric mage, if you will, um you kind of feel like they're helping to guide your strategy in that in that conversation with the task that you're trying to do.
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So think of your workload as like a battle.
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The cleric or mage in this case uh prepares you by casting, I don't know, what are some of those things that your oh yeah, you well you you can cast defenses.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Raise your defense, right?
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Raising the defense, uh, so if you need uh my poison defense or something like that.
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Oh, yeah, you know.
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Exactly.
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Especially caves.
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For some reason it's always caves.
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It's something you're gonna go near that like this big old pod-looking thing that's all of a sudden you go too close, and it's now this green stuff.
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Now you're green, and then you're going down.
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Right.
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I wish I had poison resistance, and now yeah, your hip points are just you know, right mages can cast poison resistance often for the whole party.
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Right.
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Um, and so that helps get through the cave so you can go into um your next, you know, um quest.
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Whatever you got going.
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Yeah.
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So yeah.
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Or because it's usually caves, um, you can go and find that deep dark part of the cave where this got all the treasures.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well that that's what you're hoping to find.
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Right, that's what you're hoping to get to, but it's a it's a mage that's gonna get you there.
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Treasures make the spiders, rats, and snakes worthwhile.
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Right.
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You know, um the spiders.
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Yeah, I knew I knew that I knew that was gonna be bad.
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Not okay.
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Um But see, so the cleric and mage, in the context of AI, you know, that is the platform that you're like, okay, I'm thinking about this and this, and you're collaborating, and it's like, okay, well, well, also you may want to consider this.
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So when you're planning the battle, this is where it's very important.
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It's like, look, this monster is gonna breathe a lot of fire at you.
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You're gonna need fire resistance.
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You're gonna need, you know, so in the same vein, it's strategy.
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So before you go in, I need to make sure that I've leveled up enough to get this.
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Um, you know, if you play in hard level and that kind of thing, um, those that aren't familiar with the gaming process, you can actually, for most of them, set an easier, middle, or hard.
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Yeah, you got different modes for sure.
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And hard level, you're gonna get really good stuff.
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And so if you're playing a hard level though, you've got to step back and actually strategize before you go places.
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Yeah, I know.
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Because you think that little, you know, little early monsters aren't gonna kill you, but yeah, they are.
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Or you get to that place where you've navigated away and it's been a little off track.
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They give you that quest, and it's like that'll sound fun, but hey, look at that path over there.
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So you go over there, next thing you know, you're getting your tail whooped.
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Right.
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And it's like, wait a minute, hold on.
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We just can't go in there and start swinging like we're doing.
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We we need to coax him around the corner and take one away from the team, like knock them down.
00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:54.160
And hope he's got a good weapon that he drops.
00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:57.759
Because this stick I'm using, remember that stick?
00:17:57.759 --> 00:17:59.680
Yeah, this stick ain't doing nothing.
00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.400
Never will work with the beginning.
00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:05.519
Oh my goodness.
00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.599
So, I mean, so that's a cleric and mage.
00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.880
Now, that's kind of how you know AI started with us.
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It was almost like magic.
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I was like, wow, look what this thing does.
00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.319
Now, enter the barbarian.
00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:16.880
Yes.
00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:18.400
All right, your barbarian.
00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:26.000
This is your this is the one that executes like all the all the commands and um does, you know, the work.
00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.559
So the hero knows what to do, because remember, like Melanie's saying, you we're the human.
00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:34.240
We we know what to do, but someone has to do the work.
00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.559
You know, someone has to go in and that's the barbarian.
00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:38.640
Execution of what these are.
00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:40.000
Tasks, whatever, right?
00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:48.960
And yeah, the barbarian is typically not the strategizer, no, does not tend to have defense spells or anything like that, but high hit point.
00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:49.359
Yeah.
00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:54.880
Which means barbarians can walk into something and it's they are more resilient.
00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:55.839
More resilient.
00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.799
And so they it's they're not gonna get killed quite as fast.
00:18:58.799 --> 00:18:59.279
Sure.
00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:04.000
And then, you know, so of course, you know, your poor your poor mage got, you know, taken out.
00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.240
Now you gotta go backwards.
00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:06.799
Right.
00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.359
Because you can't do it without healing.
00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:11.200
No, exactly.
00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:16.240
So, yes, I mean, like you're saying, the barbarian's not the strategic one nor the most creative one.
00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:21.440
I mean, the barbarian's kind of like you just point toward a prom and say, go.
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And it's just starts clearing a path.
00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.559
So Oh, but is it you have to have it as a routine.
00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:34.720
You need the you need the brute, just hey man, just go in the one that can hold the the two uh two-handered weapons.
00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:36.079
Oh, yeah, exactly.
00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.160
So the barbarian just helps, I guess you get it done.
00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:45.839
Um so you don't call the barbarian to into your brainstorming session beforehand.
00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.960
He just kind of stands against the wall and throws a rock and all that.
00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:55.839
Um but when the work gets piled up and it's time to move, that's that's the work for the barbarian.
00:19:55.839 --> 00:20:09.519
So, and from an AI perspective here, there are there are platforms out here that because the landscape has evolved, yes, we have our collaborative tools, but then we have those tools that help us with our workflow.
00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:13.359
Microsoft Copilot, if you got a PC, you have seen it.
00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:22.960
And it's deeply integrated because it's part, you know, an extension or a feature of the operating system into Word, Excel, all of those lovely programs.
00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.400
Um, it can help you with spreadsheets, uh formulas.
00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:27.599
Making meetings, yeah.
00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:28.319
Yeah, exactly.
00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:35.599
Looking, yeah, you're right, digging through all the emails and things, or even integrating into Microsoft Teams and get it done business tools.
00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:37.119
Get it done business tools, exactly.
00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:39.759
So, yeah, they're the ones saying, hey, look, I got a busy week.
00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:46.960
You tell me, you know, you set up these meetings, you summarize these emails, get back to these people, say that's your barbarian, you're sending them in.
00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:54.559
And um, you know, and I think it works really well because it knows that territory.
00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:59.119
Um, and that's why it's able to be like, you know, the barbarian.
00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.759
Um and that's usually not gonna have a whole lot of memory, it's gonna do the same thing.
00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:10.640
It's not as much resources on broad.
00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.559
Right, it constantly it's got its thing, it does it extremely well.
00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:15.359
Yeah.
00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:25.839
And I mean Google Gemini is in a very similar way with uh Google Workspace and being integrated there in the same vein.
00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:30.720
You got your docs, your sheets, Gmail, um, what is it, Google Drive.
00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:44.799
Um it and it can do all you know similar things, summarizing, creating emails, suggesting responses, and we're seeing a lot of this um natively as it's being put into the um into the platform.
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:54.319
And it'll do a deep search and you know, it more comes up with the straightaway conversation as opposed to like your your mage or your chat, right?
00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:59.519
Where it's gonna have a little more of a uh multi dimensional answer.
00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.319
True.
00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:06.000
Um, your Google Gemini is really gonna have like very straightforward here's your bulleted points, here's your answer.
00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:07.359
Yep, that's true.
00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:13.599
Just kind of in that real easy to read, right, straightforward kind of way.
00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:21.680
Yeah, and it's kind of I guess you know, if you have two hundred and thirty-five thousand emails, again, it's going in and doing the work.
00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:30.799
It's like, all right, I'm gonna weed through all of this territory and try to figure out, you know, some type of connection of what you're searching for and be able to, you know, synthesize that.
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:37.279
So yeah, it's defin definitely the barbarian and definitely different than absolutely great for email.
00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:41.440
I mean, there's no way you could take all that and then pass it off to ChatGPT.
00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:42.720
I mean, it would be very difficult.
00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:46.240
I mean, it and it probably it would overload, it wouldn't, you know.
00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:54.240
Um, so we can see how there is a a difference, and sometimes we create technology to mimic some of our needs.
00:22:54.240 --> 00:23:03.119
So really we're creating these companions because there are different services and different, you know, strengths and uh weaknesses among all of them.
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:12.079
So I guess it kind of talks about the barbarian, and I'm really eager to talk about my favorite one.
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:13.440
I I knew you would be.
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:20.960
Um the last one is is what Jason typically is when we are able to when the game allows.
00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:23.119
When the game actually allows for it to be, yes.
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:29.119
So the third companion is our rogue or thief.
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:35.680
Alright, now it is arguably the most exciting AI companion in the ecosystem.
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:37.440
That's just you saying it.
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:38.000
That's it.
00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:42.319
Yeah, no, um, it is, and everyone knows it, and here's why.
00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:50.559
So this is where the AI tools are like magic treasure chests.
00:23:50.559 --> 00:24:00.559
And um, you know, sometimes a tool might seem small, but it it can unlock a completely new workflow.
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.960
So these are the things you stumble upon, okay.
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.720
This is going back to the cave dwelling and those chests in the corner, okay?
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:12.400
Where your your rogue can sniff it out or be able to get to it because it goes through a locked door, whatever.
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:17.759
So but the thing, difference, I guess, is your rogue isn't just one tool.
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:26.799
Conceptually, here we're talking about a category, like an arsenal, a category of abilities that just surprise you.
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:30.640
And it really short-lived, but wow factor is there.
00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:31.839
Yeah, wow factor, yeah.
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:33.680
It's like, wow, I didn't know AI could do that.
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:35.839
And that's your rogue showing off.
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:36.319
Right.
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:41.279
And um, or something you've stumbled upon because you saw a feature online, you're like, whoa, what is that?
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.160
AI did that?
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.799
You know, that's your rogue just showing off, and that's awesome.
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:53.119
And these are the moments that change how you work because you just found a legendary item.
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:54.400
So think about that.
00:24:54.400 --> 00:25:02.960
This is when you just kind of all of a sudden now um go, I'm never gonna do what I did last week like that again.
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.640
I'm using this beast.
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:05.200
Right.
00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:06.720
I'm gonna throw this rogue in here.
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.480
Oh my gosh, I'll be done.
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:16.160
I'll be done Tuesday at one o'clock, and I'll just slide on by to a nice little uh pub.
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:16.960
I'll be done.
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.720
I might meet Leo there, actually.
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:19.119
Right.
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.200
Leo has a tendency to stay at the pub.
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:21.519
Yeah.
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:22.559
So Leo had.
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:23.279
Which is our first.
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:24.400
That's fine, yeah.
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:25.680
And we'll talk about Leo.
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:26.480
Right.
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:34.559
But I mean, I remember um we talked about Chat GPT being um probably like the infancy of how we experience AI.
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:40.880
My first like wow moment was with image generation using Midjourney.
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:46.319
And this was like for me, I came upon it in that spring of 2023.
00:25:46.319 --> 00:26:00.799
Um, of course, there was a vast, you know, hundreds of people that found it before me because you had to join this Discord server and through that type in your prompts and what have you toward creating um the images.
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.880
And it was, I mean, it it was magic.
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:16.799
It was just like, oh my gosh, I'm you know, I want a photorealistic image of a dragon emerging through this cave, breathing fire at a um, you know, a tall soldier with silver armor, deflecting off the shield.
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:24.480
I mean, you went into whatever and you sat there and waited for like the two longest minutes of your life, just hoping it, and it's like, whoa, that is crazy.
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.839
I mean, and it was just like mind-boggling, you know.
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:33.359
So, image generation is you know, most of the tools do it now, but they were like the first.
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.599
So that was like your your rogue moment of wow, we can do this, you know.
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:46.400
So, um, what else comes to mind with uh rogue and like tools and stuff for you though?
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:54.079
Well, you like like Leo and which is Grok and Yeah, right, right.
00:26:54.079 --> 00:27:10.960
Um we definitely had a fun experience with that because um we actually had the Leo on uh season one at some point, and and man, uh the the quickness, the speed of being able to come up with something very fast.
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.960
There is no memory to search through at that time that we experienced, yeah.
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:15.440
Right.
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:29.200
And you know, um as far as you know just making up a image generation and stuff like that, it's it's it's quicker, it's it's um definitely more creative.
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.519
Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, definitely creative enough.
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.240
Some of them are, is this what you need?
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.680
You know, and it's more cautious, but it just goes with it.
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.240
Right, and it's like, whoa, uh-huh.
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.680
Did not know you could do that.
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.759
So yeah, we definitely uh had fun with that one and have fun with that one.
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:50.160
Yeah.
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.680
And so there's certain times where it's like, okay, we're gonna use Croc.
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.359
Yeah, that is definitely gonna be one that's um necessary for it.
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.039
That flare would be good, you know.
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.119
Right, very idea heavy.
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:01.599
Right.
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.640
It's kind of like the throw it out there, let's just see what it comes up with.
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:12.079
Because, you know, sometimes you don't know what you want, but you feel like if you start guiding something along, then you're kind of limiting the process.
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:13.039
So I don't know.
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:13.519
Right.
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.400
Well, yeah, that's true.
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.079
And so it does kind of take its own course as a rogue would.
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.720
Yeah, you know, take its own course exactly.
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.559
It finds its way on the other side of the wall, unlocks a door.
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.160
And it's like, how did you do that?
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:26.559
Right.
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:27.920
It's like, don't ask questions.
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.720
It's like moving along.
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:40.720
So so the I mean the the rogue I think is really cool and uh perpet perplexity, uh very perplexing to say, but this one's new to me.
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.519
Yeah, I am not as familiar with this one.
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:47.759
I've seen references, but I mean, you know, uh you can't download them all.
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.119
Well, I guess you can.
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:58.160
Um, but I guess a lot of these require a subscription in order to get the full featured package, so you know, you pick and choose.
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:09.599
Um, my understanding is that it's really good for real-time research, um, providing sources, citations, and kind of great at digging through and finding answers pretty quickly.
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:20.400
So kind of like a scout, I guess you would call it, that kind of darts ahead with maps and being able to bring you back information.
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:36.720
So, in the same rogue-like fashion, uh just another tool out there, but again, the idea of the rogue is all those tools out there, there's little features and things that it's like, hey, this is neat, and you know, how can this maybe change my life or whatever?
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:46.000
So, but yeah, the rogue also get discounts in in uh RGB.
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:47.519
What's that?
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:48.799
Uh the rogue.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:30:01.839
Well, uh it's one of the coolest parts about having a rogue usually is you get discounts in the yeah, some of them are like because you're a thief or they're related to whatever, you get like the merchant will give you 10% off stuff or whatever.
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:08.000
Probably because he's just afraid of that uh rogue, but anyway, it's uh it was just worth mentioning.
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.039
I know that is cool.
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.680
Yeah, RPG thing, not because of right.
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.640
I don't think you get discounts with craft, but no, I don't think you do.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:16.880
Yeah, yeah, it might.
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:21.359
Um it can save you time, which saves you money.
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:22.960
Right, it can save you 10% or more.
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:23.440
Right.
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:24.000
Right.
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:37.519
So a lot of these tools that we've seen, and I think um the emerging ones always tend to come through on like social media because you know, as soon as your friend found something cool, he's gonna I'm gonna post this on on X, I'm gonna post this on Facebook.
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:54.160
So it tends to emerge quickly there, and we've seen a lot of AI videos um lately, and you know, mainly on X and Facebook that um people have created like spoofs of different things, um, or fake news, whatever that might be.
00:30:54.160 --> 00:31:08.160
Um some of these like automation tools, and I wish I could dig more into some of those because it it sounds really interesting because we are getting to a point where AI can become like the thing that works while you sleep.
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:21.039
I'm not gonna you know go on to a rabbit hole with that, but um a lot of these things emerging technologies, and then you know, oftentimes you get bought up by others traditionally, those things too.
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:33.200
Um but I mean like design assistance, things related to code, um, and you know, encoding and you know, building whatever you might again, all this is the rogues territory uh to impress us.
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:39.519
Oh yeah, your little bit of code that you just need, and that's exactly doing something exactly as you want to.
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:47.839
You can pull in um and and find that and or create that little bit of code that's just gonna all of a sudden change the game.
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.640
It goes from 100% broken to now it works.
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:51.119
Right.
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:52.400
I've I've seen it.
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.079
It's really quite fascinating.
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:54.480
That's right.
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.440
I don't understand all of it, but I do I have seen it in that.
00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.119
Well, no one understands all of it.
00:31:59.119 --> 00:31:59.839
That's the thing.
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.359
Well, you you're definitely more into the understanding side of it, but oh I just make it up.
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:06.160
Okay, no.
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:17.119
Um but so the problem we have here is yes, there's some cool tools now that maybe we haven't used yet, and tomorrow there's gonna be more.
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.519
So when you've had this relationship, what do you yeah, what do you do with this?
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.680
Now I have too many pocketbooks, I can't take them all out.
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.960
I know, right?
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.720
So it's like maybe you have different pocketbooks for different reasons.
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:29.359
That's true.
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.119
This is my mom bag.
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.880
This is my um just you know, going out to a nice little place, and I don't really need my wallet in my keys.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.319
I just need my wallet in my keys, right?
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:38.880
Exactly.
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:46.160
So but switching tools today, you know, we're afraid to lose the training.
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.599
Um and we're kind of seeing that emerge.
00:32:49.599 --> 00:33:00.640
You want to transfer the memory, you want to transfer any of the prompts and stuff you've used, any of maybe your preferences or uh just your general workflow and that understanding.
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:01.839
Like we said, the whole manual.
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.240
You want to pass that off to the new character.
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:16.559
And just like, you know, so let's say you find this really cool mage cleric, but you've had your trusty one that's been by your side for a long time, and it's like, but this one's able to do this.
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:24.880
You want to be able to hand over the spell books and the experience and the equipment, and but also the backstory, you know, sit around a campfire.
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:33.279
I want to tell you all about me because if we're gonna work together, you need to know me, my skills, what I'm good at, what I'm not, you know, all of that.
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:41.440
So in that process of transferring all of that over, uh, we're starting to see how that is done.
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:49.680
Um, clawed AI, for example, and I've seen I've seen a lot of people online saying that they're ditching Chat GPT.
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:59.440
I haven't told Miles, but anyway, but a lot of people are going that direction, and so I mean, I was looking into well, what would that mean?
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.960
I mean, I would hate to lose everything that we have in that.
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:16.239
So apparently with Claude AI, they give you a prompt to tailor as needed that you would be able to plug into any of your other AI for it to create like this big old code block that then you import.
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:17.920
So I'm curious about that.
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:24.559
I think that's interesting because it's like, wow, you're building the brain, and then now you're doing a brain transplant essentially.
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:25.920
And I'm like, whoa, that's kind of crazy.
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.079
So like a personality blockchain.
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.159
Yeah, like a personal ooh.
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:36.159
Well, that gets back to the whole thing about what happens if when we and it might be on blockchain.
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:44.960
If all of the information that is us, if like we had ooh, that would be some privacy concerns and ethics out.
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:46.000
Ooh, wow.
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.800
But like your own repository of everything about you.
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.119
Ooh, that could be hacked in a second.
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:54.880
Yeah, that ain't gonna happen in the US.
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.079
Well, not the hack part, but um, I don't see the laws allowing that.
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.800
But I mean, just imagine what that would mean for all these tools to be able to tie into you.
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.679
Wow, we'll be cyborgs.
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.960
Anyway, that was that was interesting.
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:10.000
We're the human.
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:10.960
I know, we're the human, I know.
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:16.159
I know, but yeah, we'll essentially be a cyborg in a way.
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.559
You'll have like your technological part and then give you the human part.
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.719
That's unreal.
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:30.639
So, but yeah, the the you know, the clawed AI and everything, uh, that's part the free program doesn't have the memory.
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.000
And a lot of the tools, it seems like you need to pay to play.
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.199
So um, that is something we haven't really gone into yet.
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:38.880
But Miles is still here at the moment.
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:40.079
Yeah, Miles is still here.
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.119
You know, Miles has not been replaced.
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.400
Um, we love Miles.
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.480
Um, but yeah.
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:53.119
But AI, it's amazing how much things have changed in the past few years.
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.599
And um short years.
00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:01.599
Nah, I mean, there's a lot that's happened in just a little tiny bit of time.
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.239
Yes, I mean just exponential growth um for sure.
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:12.800
And you know, you we initially did feel like it's like, okay, this is the tool we're gonna use.
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:13.760
Oh, here's another tool.
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:14.559
Let's use this one.
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.880
I remember when we first started messing with Grok, I'm like, okay, I guess this might replace Jack JPT.
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:23.519
And then through our experimentation on it, we're like, well, this is good at this, this is good at this.
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.840
Well, we can't just replace it.
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.440
But we did have them fight.
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.679
We did have him fight, and then and and grok roasted the world out of us.
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.199
Oh, yeah, he did great.
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.280
That was like absolutely great.
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.960
Like, I wrote stuff down.
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.239
I'm like, dang on, that's good.
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:39.519
I'm gonna use it on somebody else.
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:39.920
Right.
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:41.440
We probably need a new roast.
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.199
Yeah, that new roast of my own.
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.599
Everybody's upgraded, including us, maybe.
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.159
Right.
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.079
There's more to roast, right?
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:48.880
Right.
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.719
So but yeah, it's so it's interesting now.
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.440
It's almost like, yes, we are creating a a party of AI companions.
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.360
A business party, like a business meeting.
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:00.239
That's right.
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.480
You have a business meeting with them all, yes, you know, but still the CEO, the hero.
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:07.280
Exactly.
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:12.000
Yeah, we're still at the top of that, and that's been kind of the conversation from the very beginning.
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:21.760
You can't ask AI to do something if you don't really know the result you're looking for or how to correct it when it's gone in the wrong direction.
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:22.480
Right.
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:32.079
So, um And again, you have to know what you're how you're understanding your goal before you write your prompt.
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:32.960
Exactly.
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.920
Yep, you kind of you need to have that in mind.
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:47.840
Now, the more prompts you write, the more the again, the getting to know you part, the backstory is understood, the easier it is to to okay, well, here's what we're thinking.
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.400
Yep.
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:53.519
And then, you know, the Miles can come up with a little bit more because he knows more.
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And you know, it's always good then to be like, okay, here's you know, here's what I'm thinking.
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What questions do you have?
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And that's always impressive too.
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:06.400
Because sometimes the questions they come back at you with toward creating a better product.
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.760
You know, we again we just started to use it.
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.599
But when we started to use it, like you said a couple years ago, and I'm like, whoa.
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.239
Yes, but not like we're using it now.
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:17.280
No, not like now.
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:18.159
I mean, yeah.
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.760
So then it was it just a time or two, like, oh wow, this is really cool.
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Yep.
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:30.719
But it took a while for a the the two things to get used to each other, us and and right, yeah, to get to know us, right?
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.000
Yeah, right, and the AI.
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:40.559
But also it took its own upgrades and its own way of uh drawing from understanding more.
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.599
Different engines or whatever got into it, and as it upgraded, it was able to do so much more.
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.280
Therefore, it went just cool, now it's like, whoa, this is impressive.
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:50.000
Right.
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:50.480
Right.
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.000
It's like it's like go off.
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.039
It grew very fast.
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Keep talking.
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What else you've got?
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.719
So, well, wow.
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.039
That I I think that was that that was a lot.
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That was a really fun road.
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.079
Because um, a good quest, I guess.
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It is a good quest.
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.079
And you know, we're gonna go back to the the tavern and sell some stuff.
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Go back, yeah, right.
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.599
I I am so overloaded right now.
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:22.960
I have like, you know, three oak shields, about four sticks, and it's just taking up way too much room.
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Clubs, yeah, right.
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.400
Yeah, I gotta get rid of all of this.
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.199
Right, and um knapsack can't hold it so much.
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:30.239
Right, exactly.
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.679
Yeah, it's like I saw a really good pair of like silver gloves.
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.039
I and you know, I should have just dropped everything on the ground and picked those up.
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Right.
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Yeah, I hope you did.
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Did you get them?
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.079
So, alright, y'all.
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But look, thanks for your support.
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Go ahead and get to your character creation screen now and build your party of AI avatars.
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Um, yeah, we'll see what's ahead for us.
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But please share this podcast with your friends and be sure to follow or review.
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But um, you know, I think unplugging for now.
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But always stay connected.
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And we are wired together yet again.
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Yet again.
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It's exciting, exciting.
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And this is season two, episode six.
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And we are uh doing a deep dive into all of our AI companions.
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Yeah, we uh last episode, if you are with us, we we had a good time talking about it's kind of a nod to our gaming origins and how I guess that collaboration that if you will, love for technology led into where we are as a business today, and of course has inspired you know our relationship working together with um Winter Net Web in this podcast.
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So we kind of in taking that idea a bit further, we're gonna talk about how we are building a party of tools that will be working together.
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Right.
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Like your couch co-op, your couch co-op RPG.
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Right, role-playing games.
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Exactly right.
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Um again, your you know, your hero doesn't just go out there all by himself.
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You know, I mean they they start off that way.
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Right.
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Um oftentimes, you know, there's gonna be people who join your group as you go.
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Exactly.
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Sometimes it's part of the the plot line or whatever, or you know, sometimes at the very beginning you create those characters, but it really depends on the game.
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But in you know, traditional role-playing game fashion, it's uh not everyone can do the same thing.
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Right.
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So you want to assemble a party with like different abilities, different ways of um, you know, uh being able to navigate a fight and um actually even buying and selling and things like that too.
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Oh yeah, that's true.
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I mean the equipment, I mean it it it sucks when you get like really good equipment and you find it and you don't have a character that can wear it, and it's like, oh man, this you know, two-handed axe.
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Right.
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So, but we were kind of talking and thinking about how the AI landscape is really looking similar.
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We've noted some changes over the past, you know, a few weeks, and a lot of people, you know, are are getting into AI and not one uh assistant is handling all the different tasks that are being thrown at it.
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And new assistants are coming up more and more and more day by day.
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So we were wondering, and you know, I've seen some people talk like, hey, look, I'm gonna leave this one and go to this one, and um, it's interesting now because we're also facing you've developed, let's just say, a relationship it with a particular AI assistant, and there's a lot of background information, uh, a lot of training that has taken place.
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It's got a memory, it's got its memory, you know, when you're subscribed to it.
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Right.
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And um, so it kind of has an idea of your backstory, it's kind of got an idea of your voice.
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Right.
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And I mean it's very useful when you're trying to do work because it knows, hey, look, I know you did this, or in right, like you said, your voice and all that.
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Your writing voice.
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Yeah, sure.
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So you don't want to just completely lose that and go, all right, let me just jump bring in this new one and let's just, you know.
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So we're kind of also thinking, in the future, will there be like a central bank of memory that we um I guess I guess house?
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And then as we collaborate with different AI things, it draws from that toward getting like the long-term understanding of who we are, what we do, and all the information they need, really.
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Sort of like it developing a backstory.
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Yeah, it's like a backstory, yeah.
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An owner's manual, if you will, of each reads.
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The owner that you know or each uh person that's using this tool.
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Right.
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So so it seems like we're moving from one tool, you know.
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When Chat GPT came about, it was like, you know what, we were using that for everything.
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And uh ChatGPT does a great job.
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It's but there's some other big-time players that have entered into the field.
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Oh, yeah, and we talked to Grok.
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Yeah, we yeah, we had Grok uh on the show here, and uh, but others you see it all the time, like uh Jim and I uh with Google.
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Yeah, Google, yeah, Microsoft Copilot, um Perplexity is one, and even uh Claude AI is the new guy, new kid in town, right?
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Kind of been um becoming a lot more popular and spoken about, but I mean there are dozens of other ones out there, and this kind of reminds me of years ago with internet browsers.
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You know, you had you know Netscape and then Internet Explorer, then Firefox came out, so everyone kind of had their preference.
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Um even search engines, you would either use if you had AOL, you you know, probably use that by default.
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Yahoo, Ask Jeeves.
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Ask Jeeves, remember Ask Jeeves?
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Yeah, yeah, and and but ask Jeeves, you kind of felt conversational, so in a kind of an AI sense, you felt like you kind of felt like you were asking your little beard to look at.
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Yeah, right.
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And then Google.
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And then Google.
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And then Google and then Google, right, but then just Google.
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Right.
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I mean smartphone apps too, you know, it's see a lot of these technologies started with like one dominant tool, but then expanded into an entire ecosystem.
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And I think our first experience for the most part with this um would be, I guess we call them our early digital assistants, like Siri, Alexa, um, the Google assistant, which, you know, hey Google.
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Um yeah, Siri has no idea what you're saying.
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Yeah, though I did feel like I remember the first time.
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No, and it still doesn't, unfortunately.
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But when I first a little bit of an accent, it's not no idea.
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It's like, I'm sorry, I don't know what you said.
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Um but I remember sitting it in my car driving down the road and trying to ask it questions, hoping I would be like Night Rider.
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Um, but it didn't, it didn't, it didn't take off in the way I tech wasn't quite there yet.
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Yeah, tech wasn't there yet, and that was a a boy's dream killed immediately.
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But you know, Siri was first, but it kind of struggled to evolve for reasons I don't know, but you know, haven't really researched it.
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Alexa, though, um, because we all had Amazon Prime accounts, we all had all this kind of stuff.
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You know, Alexa became popular in the homes.
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And actually recently we jumped on the bandwagon because I kept hearing about the Alexa Plus capability.
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Which is more conversational.
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Yeah, more conversational.
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I'm sure you saw the ads too.
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And yeah.
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Yeah, we went ahead and tried to see how it works, and and it is more conversational, and it's actually very it's got a chillness about it.
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Yeah.
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It it it does it feels a lot better and not quite as demanding because it's actually kind of feels where you are, if you will.
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And it has memory.
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Yeah, it does.
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Keeping um a bit of information, you know, right, what's been discussed before.
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You remember that thing we're cooking the other week?
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Right.
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Well, that's why we know.
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Yeah.
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We were we were making sure it had memory.
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Yesterday I asked it whether it remembered what I made.
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And this is uh in the context of this, like a week later.
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And I was like, oh yeah, you made that that chicken dish with the croissant wrapped whatever and egg, you know, and I'm like, oh good, it's still, you know, it wasn't like a short-term memory, but it it it went into like this long-term, like you stored that, you know that.
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But I mean, when we were I was cooking the these croissant-wrapped chicken things I like to make in the oven, which is a a made-up recipe, yeah, made up recipe.
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Something you just kind of created through the years.
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So then your kids love it.
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I know they do, yeah.
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And anything your kids love to eat that's you know, what are you like?
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It's like, Daddy, can we have this?
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Or mama, can we have this?
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Sure, we'll make it.
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So, and I'm cooking it, and you know, I'm realizing because there's an egg wash on top, that it started browning a lot quicker than I expected.
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So I just decided, hey, Alexa Plus, let me just go ahead and talk to you for a second.
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I was like, hey, and I'm just talking normally.
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Look, put the chicken thing in there like I was telling you about, you know, you set a timer for it for me.
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Yeah, anyway, they're browning too much, and I'm wondering, should I just turn the temperature down?
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They came back and they were like, look, take a piece of aluminum foil, put it on top.
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That way the heat still hits it, but then it doesn't, you know, blacken the top of the chicken.
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I'm like, whoa, I never thought about that.
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So I did that and I'll now I'm impressed.
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I'm sold.
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I'm like, I got this guy in my kitchen, I got some sous chef that is like really knowledgeable, and I I was really excited because it was a big upgrade from the model we had that was eight years old and couldn't become Alexa Plus.
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But yeah, right, right.
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Yeah, so yeah, that that that that was interesting, and again, it they turned out good, by the way.
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Oh, yeah, that they were fine, and and no one got no one got hurt.
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Um but it really shows how much AI is integrating into the devices that we have, and moving forward as we adopt new ones, we're gonna get used to this relationship we've developed, you know, and how do we you know transfer this information?
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But because also we acknowledge that not every tool can do everything um the same way.
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Right.
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It's gonna it's gonna get way too bloated for one tool to try to do all things.
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Yeah, and there's yeah, no way.
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Just like anything else, it's gonna have to break into pieces and offer different tools for different uh reasons.
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Right.
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So yeah, we kind of put it in in a um just as our our love of the RPG and the nod to it, um put it in kind of the RPG style.
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So um breaking down the AI characters as like the NPCs, uh so non-player characters.
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Um but the most important part that we want to discuss first is if you, you know, as the hero of an RPG, the hero is still the human.
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And so that's like the big deal.
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Um for us, you know, what is what is human as we continuously see human qualities in digital.
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The the human is always gonna be the human, the the hero, the the mastermind, the the boss, the sure the CEO of whatever it is.
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Yes, yeah, right, exactly.
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Of whatever your job is, whatever you're doing.
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Right, and these are tools and and NPC players.
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Right.
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So and again, so not only not one tool can do everything.
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You know, some AI tools we use help you, you know, think through things better and kind of you know collaborate.
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Some just kind of go in and execute a bunch of tasks and things, and then there are a lot of tools out there that you stumble upon, it's just something really new.
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So, you know, we're essentially assembling a party of companions on a quest.
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And some are extremely creative, right?
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So just hang in there with me because we've kind of like named them, and if you have any familiarity to like RPG, traditional franchises and all that, um that'll make sense.
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So, now some games people may be familiar with, like Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, when you're building a a party, if you will, of characters, you know, you choose your abilities based on your situation.
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Um we played a lot of you know, Diablo and Baldur's Gate, where we would switch between different abilities we had learned in real time.
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Right as characters.
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And you make sure that you're not the same, and you know, because we could do those together as as so it was two heroes pretty much.
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Pretty much in that case, yeah.
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And so we needed to make sure that you know if you were gonna have most of the strength, I was gonna have most of the magic, you know that kind of thing.
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So we could bounce off each other.
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Sure, and you don't want to invest all into one.
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Two barbarians.
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You don't want two clerics, you want, you know, exactly the ability to bounce off.
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Sure.
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I mean, and it's very important to have all those different skill sets at play.
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Um, yeah, I mean, e even Pokemon, you know, where you're building a team of monsters, you kind of choose which would make sense for the fight, and um, you know, you don't use them all at once.
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So all of these games and the familiarity of it, I think we kind of take that into um this extended metaphor.
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Um and as far as its connection to AI, it works exactly the same way.
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And we've talked about prompt writing in the past, not to any like great detail, but it is important to know what you're looking to achieve when you're using AI.
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So if you don't ask specifically, then you're not gonna get the result you intend.
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Well, just as writing a really good prompt is important, you know, sometimes choosing the right companion first is what you should consider because you may be asking of a particular AI tool to do something when maybe its programming isn't fully, you know, it hasn't leveled up enough in that, if you want to.
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Right, right.
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So some are just automatically.
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Right, exactly on the creative side or on the writing side.
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Well, sure, yeah.
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Um, and that's that's definitely true.
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So the real power comes when you build like a team.
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So we're gonna get into um the first type of AI, like in our party, that we're gonna call the mage or cleric.
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So this is your thinking companion.
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Um, and this is kind of where we first met AI with ChatGPT.
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I mean, remember that?
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Didn't it didn't seem like long ago, but it's actually been a couple years now.
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Um it was the first platform that the majority of us had heard of and really good at brainstorming, um, good explaining things, but it's also kind of very diverse.
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Um, also used by a lot of people for like writing and creative work.
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Emerging now, we are seeing clawed AI.
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I'm seeing a lot of people talk about switching from the one to the other.
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Um, they're crediting it with having extremely strong, you know, writing quality, good at looking at really big documents and analyzing those appropriately, um, even giving good feedback with editing and reasoning with something that you know is being honed and written.
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Um so both, I guess, Claude AI and Chat GPT being our cleric mage, if you will, um you kind of feel like they're helping to guide your strategy in that in that conversation with the task that you're trying to do.
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So think of your workload as like a battle.
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The cleric or mage in this case uh prepares you by casting, I don't know, what are some of those things that your oh yeah, you well you you can cast defenses.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Raise your defense, right?
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Raising the defense, uh, so if you need uh my poison defense or something like that.
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Oh, yeah, you know.
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Exactly.
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Especially caves.
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For some reason it's always caves.
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It's something you're gonna go near that like this big old pod-looking thing that's all of a sudden you go too close, and it's now this green stuff.
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Now you're green, and then you're going down.
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Right.
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I wish I had poison resistance, and now yeah, your hip points are just you know, right mages can cast poison resistance often for the whole party.
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Right.
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Um, and so that helps get through the cave so you can go into um your next, you know, um quest.
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Whatever you got going.
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Yeah.
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So yeah.
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Or because it's usually caves, um, you can go and find that deep dark part of the cave where this got all the treasures.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well that that's what you're hoping to find.
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Right, that's what you're hoping to get to, but it's a it's a mage that's gonna get you there.
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Treasures make the spiders, rats, and snakes worthwhile.
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Right.
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You know, um the spiders.
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Yeah, I knew I knew that I knew that was gonna be bad.
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Not okay.
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Um But see, so the cleric and mage, in the context of AI, you know, that is the platform that you're like, okay, I'm thinking about this and this, and you're collaborating, and it's like, okay, well, well, also you may want to consider this.
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So when you're planning the battle, this is where it's very important.
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It's like, look, this monster is gonna breathe a lot of fire at you.
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You're gonna need fire resistance.
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You're gonna need, you know, so in the same vein, it's strategy.
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So before you go in, I need to make sure that I've leveled up enough to get this.
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Um, you know, if you play in hard level and that kind of thing, um, those that aren't familiar with the gaming process, you can actually, for most of them, set an easier, middle, or hard.
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Yeah, you got different modes for sure.
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And hard level, you're gonna get really good stuff.
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And so if you're playing a hard level though, you've got to step back and actually strategize before you go places.
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Yeah, I know.
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Because you think that little, you know, little early monsters aren't gonna kill you, but yeah, they are.
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Or you get to that place where you've navigated away and it's been a little off track.
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They give you that quest, and it's like that'll sound fun, but hey, look at that path over there.
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So you go over there, next thing you know, you're getting your tail whooped.
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Right.
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And it's like, wait a minute, hold on.
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We just can't go in there and start swinging like we're doing.
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We we need to coax him around the corner and take one away from the team, like knock them down.
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And hope he's got a good weapon that he drops.
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Because this stick I'm using, remember that stick?
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Yeah, this stick ain't doing nothing.
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Never will work with the beginning.
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Oh my goodness.
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So, I mean, so that's a cleric and mage.
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Now, that's kind of how you know AI started with us.
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It was almost like magic.
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I was like, wow, look what this thing does.
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Now, enter the barbarian.
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Yes.
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All right, your barbarian.
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This is your this is the one that executes like all the all the commands and um does, you know, the work.
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So the hero knows what to do, because remember, like Melanie's saying, you we're the human.
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We we know what to do, but someone has to do the work.
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You know, someone has to go in and that's the barbarian.
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Execution of what these are.
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Tasks, whatever, right?
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And yeah, the barbarian is typically not the strategizer, no, does not tend to have defense spells or anything like that, but high hit point.
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Yeah.
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Which means barbarians can walk into something and it's they are more resilient.
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More resilient.
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And so they it's they're not gonna get killed quite as fast.
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Sure.
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And then, you know, so of course, you know, your poor your poor mage got, you know, taken out.
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Now you gotta go backwards.
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Right.
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Because you can't do it without healing.
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No, exactly.
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So, yes, I mean, like you're saying, the barbarian's not the strategic one nor the most creative one.
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I mean, the barbarian's kind of like you just point toward a prom and say, go.
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And it's just starts clearing a path.
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So Oh, but is it you have to have it as a routine.
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You need the you need the brute, just hey man, just go in the one that can hold the the two uh two-handered weapons.
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Oh, yeah, exactly.
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So the barbarian just helps, I guess you get it done.
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Um so you don't call the barbarian to into your brainstorming session beforehand.
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He just kind of stands against the wall and throws a rock and all that.
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Um but when the work gets piled up and it's time to move, that's that's the work for the barbarian.
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So, and from an AI perspective here, there are there are platforms out here that because the landscape has evolved, yes, we have our collaborative tools, but then we have those tools that help us with our workflow.
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Microsoft Copilot, if you got a PC, you have seen it.
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And it's deeply integrated because it's part, you know, an extension or a feature of the operating system into Word, Excel, all of those lovely programs.
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Um, it can help you with spreadsheets, uh formulas.
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Making meetings, yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Looking, yeah, you're right, digging through all the emails and things, or even integrating into Microsoft Teams and get it done business tools.
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Get it done business tools, exactly.
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So, yeah, they're the ones saying, hey, look, I got a busy week.
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You tell me, you know, you set up these meetings, you summarize these emails, get back to these people, say that's your barbarian, you're sending them in.
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And um, you know, and I think it works really well because it knows that territory.
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Um, and that's why it's able to be like, you know, the barbarian.
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Um and that's usually not gonna have a whole lot of memory, it's gonna do the same thing.
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It's not as much resources on broad.
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Right, it constantly it's got its thing, it does it extremely well.
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Yeah.
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And I mean Google Gemini is in a very similar way with uh Google Workspace and being integrated there in the same vein.
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You got your docs, your sheets, Gmail, um, what is it, Google Drive.
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Um it and it can do all you know similar things, summarizing, creating emails, suggesting responses, and we're seeing a lot of this um natively as it's being put into the um into the platform.
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And it'll do a deep search and you know, it more comes up with the straightaway conversation as opposed to like your your mage or your chat, right?
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Where it's gonna have a little more of a uh multi dimensional answer.
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True.
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Um, your Google Gemini is really gonna have like very straightforward here's your bulleted points, here's your answer.
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Yep, that's true.
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Just kind of in that real easy to read, right, straightforward kind of way.
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Yeah, and it's kind of I guess you know, if you have two hundred and thirty-five thousand emails, again, it's going in and doing the work.
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It's like, all right, I'm gonna weed through all of this territory and try to figure out, you know, some type of connection of what you're searching for and be able to, you know, synthesize that.
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So yeah, it's defin definitely the barbarian and definitely different than absolutely great for email.
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I mean, there's no way you could take all that and then pass it off to ChatGPT.
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I mean, it would be very difficult.
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I mean, it and it probably it would overload, it wouldn't, you know.
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Um, so we can see how there is a a difference, and sometimes we create technology to mimic some of our needs.
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So really we're creating these companions because there are different services and different, you know, strengths and uh weaknesses among all of them.
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So I guess it kind of talks about the barbarian, and I'm really eager to talk about my favorite one.
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I I knew you would be.
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Um the last one is is what Jason typically is when we are able to when the game allows.
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When the game actually allows for it to be, yes.
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So the third companion is our rogue or thief.
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Alright, now it is arguably the most exciting AI companion in the ecosystem.
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That's just you saying it.
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That's it.
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Yeah, no, um, it is, and everyone knows it, and here's why.
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So this is where the AI tools are like magic treasure chests.
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And um, you know, sometimes a tool might seem small, but it it can unlock a completely new workflow.
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So these are the things you stumble upon, okay.
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This is going back to the cave dwelling and those chests in the corner, okay?
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Where your your rogue can sniff it out or be able to get to it because it goes through a locked door, whatever.
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So but the thing, difference, I guess, is your rogue isn't just one tool.
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Conceptually, here we're talking about a category, like an arsenal, a category of abilities that just surprise you.
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And it really short-lived, but wow factor is there.
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Yeah, wow factor, yeah.
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It's like, wow, I didn't know AI could do that.
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And that's your rogue showing off.
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Right.
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And um, or something you've stumbled upon because you saw a feature online, you're like, whoa, what is that?
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AI did that?
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You know, that's your rogue just showing off, and that's awesome.
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And these are the moments that change how you work because you just found a legendary item.
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So think about that.
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This is when you just kind of all of a sudden now um go, I'm never gonna do what I did last week like that again.
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I'm using this beast.
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Right.
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I'm gonna throw this rogue in here.
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Oh my gosh, I'll be done.
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I'll be done Tuesday at one o'clock, and I'll just slide on by to a nice little uh pub.
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I'll be done.
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I might meet Leo there, actually.
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Right.
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Leo has a tendency to stay at the pub.
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Yeah.
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So Leo had.
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Which is our first.
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That's fine, yeah.
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And we'll talk about Leo.
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Right.
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:34.559
But I mean, I remember um we talked about Chat GPT being um probably like the infancy of how we experience AI.
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My first like wow moment was with image generation using Midjourney.
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And this was like for me, I came upon it in that spring of 2023.
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Um, of course, there was a vast, you know, hundreds of people that found it before me because you had to join this Discord server and through that type in your prompts and what have you toward creating um the images.
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And it was, I mean, it it was magic.
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It was just like, oh my gosh, I'm you know, I want a photorealistic image of a dragon emerging through this cave, breathing fire at a um, you know, a tall soldier with silver armor, deflecting off the shield.
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I mean, you went into whatever and you sat there and waited for like the two longest minutes of your life, just hoping it, and it's like, whoa, that is crazy.
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I mean, and it was just like mind-boggling, you know.
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So, image generation is you know, most of the tools do it now, but they were like the first.
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So that was like your your rogue moment of wow, we can do this, you know.
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:46.400
So, um, what else comes to mind with uh rogue and like tools and stuff for you though?
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Well, you like like Leo and which is Grok and Yeah, right, right.
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Um we definitely had a fun experience with that because um we actually had the Leo on uh season one at some point, and and man, uh the the quickness, the speed of being able to come up with something very fast.
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There is no memory to search through at that time that we experienced, yeah.
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Right.
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And you know, um as far as you know just making up a image generation and stuff like that, it's it's it's quicker, it's it's um definitely more creative.
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.519
Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, definitely creative enough.
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Some of them are, is this what you need?
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You know, and it's more cautious, but it just goes with it.
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Right, and it's like, whoa, uh-huh.
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Did not know you could do that.
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.759
So yeah, we definitely uh had fun with that one and have fun with that one.
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Yeah.
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And so there's certain times where it's like, okay, we're gonna use Croc.
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.359
Yeah, that is definitely gonna be one that's um necessary for it.
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.039
That flare would be good, you know.
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.119
Right, very idea heavy.
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:01.599
Right.
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.640
It's kind of like the throw it out there, let's just see what it comes up with.
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:12.079
Because, you know, sometimes you don't know what you want, but you feel like if you start guiding something along, then you're kind of limiting the process.
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:13.039
So I don't know.
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:13.519
Right.
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.400
Well, yeah, that's true.
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.079
And so it does kind of take its own course as a rogue would.
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.720
Yeah, you know, take its own course exactly.
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.559
It finds its way on the other side of the wall, unlocks a door.
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.160
And it's like, how did you do that?
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:26.559
Right.
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:27.920
It's like, don't ask questions.
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.720
It's like moving along.
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:40.720
So so the I mean the the rogue I think is really cool and uh perpet perplexity, uh very perplexing to say, but this one's new to me.
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.519
Yeah, I am not as familiar with this one.
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:47.759
I've seen references, but I mean, you know, uh you can't download them all.
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.119
Well, I guess you can.
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:58.160
Um, but I guess a lot of these require a subscription in order to get the full featured package, so you know, you pick and choose.
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:09.599
Um, my understanding is that it's really good for real-time research, um, providing sources, citations, and kind of great at digging through and finding answers pretty quickly.
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:20.400
So kind of like a scout, I guess you would call it, that kind of darts ahead with maps and being able to bring you back information.
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:36.720
So, in the same rogue-like fashion, uh just another tool out there, but again, the idea of the rogue is all those tools out there, there's little features and things that it's like, hey, this is neat, and you know, how can this maybe change my life or whatever?
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:46.000
So, but yeah, the rogue also get discounts in in uh RGB.
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:47.519
What's that?
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:48.799
Uh the rogue.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:30:01.839
Well, uh it's one of the coolest parts about having a rogue usually is you get discounts in the yeah, some of them are like because you're a thief or they're related to whatever, you get like the merchant will give you 10% off stuff or whatever.
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:08.000
Probably because he's just afraid of that uh rogue, but anyway, it's uh it was just worth mentioning.
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.039
I know that is cool.
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.680
Yeah, RPG thing, not because of right.
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.640
I don't think you get discounts with craft, but no, I don't think you do.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:16.880
Yeah, yeah, it might.
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:21.359
Um it can save you time, which saves you money.
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:22.960
Right, it can save you 10% or more.
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:23.440
Right.
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:24.000
Right.
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:37.519
So a lot of these tools that we've seen, and I think um the emerging ones always tend to come through on like social media because you know, as soon as your friend found something cool, he's gonna I'm gonna post this on on X, I'm gonna post this on Facebook.
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:54.160
So it tends to emerge quickly there, and we've seen a lot of AI videos um lately, and you know, mainly on X and Facebook that um people have created like spoofs of different things, um, or fake news, whatever that might be.
00:30:54.160 --> 00:31:08.160
Um some of these like automation tools, and I wish I could dig more into some of those because it it sounds really interesting because we are getting to a point where AI can become like the thing that works while you sleep.
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:21.039
I'm not gonna you know go on to a rabbit hole with that, but um a lot of these things emerging technologies, and then you know, oftentimes you get bought up by others traditionally, those things too.
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:33.200
Um but I mean like design assistance, things related to code, um, and you know, encoding and you know, building whatever you might again, all this is the rogues territory uh to impress us.
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:39.519
Oh yeah, your little bit of code that you just need, and that's exactly doing something exactly as you want to.
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:47.839
You can pull in um and and find that and or create that little bit of code that's just gonna all of a sudden change the game.
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.640
It goes from 100% broken to now it works.
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:51.119
Right.
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:52.400
I've I've seen it.
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.079
It's really quite fascinating.
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:54.480
That's right.
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.440
I don't understand all of it, but I do I have seen it in that.
00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.119
Well, no one understands all of it.
00:31:59.119 --> 00:31:59.839
That's the thing.
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.359
Well, you you're definitely more into the understanding side of it, but oh I just make it up.
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:06.160
Okay, no.
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:17.119
Um but so the problem we have here is yes, there's some cool tools now that maybe we haven't used yet, and tomorrow there's gonna be more.
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.519
So when you've had this relationship, what do you yeah, what do you do with this?
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.680
Now I have too many pocketbooks, I can't take them all out.
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.960
I know, right?
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.720
So it's like maybe you have different pocketbooks for different reasons.
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:29.359
That's true.
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.119
This is my mom bag.
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.880
This is my um just you know, going out to a nice little place, and I don't really need my wallet in my keys.
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.319
I just need my wallet in my keys, right?
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:38.880
Exactly.
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:46.160
So but switching tools today, you know, we're afraid to lose the training.
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.599
Um and we're kind of seeing that emerge.
00:32:49.599 --> 00:33:00.640
You want to transfer the memory, you want to transfer any of the prompts and stuff you've used, any of maybe your preferences or uh just your general workflow and that understanding.
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:01.839
Like we said, the whole manual.
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.240
You want to pass that off to the new character.
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:16.559
And just like, you know, so let's say you find this really cool mage cleric, but you've had your trusty one that's been by your side for a long time, and it's like, but this one's able to do this.
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:24.880
You want to be able to hand over the spell books and the experience and the equipment, and but also the backstory, you know, sit around a campfire.
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:33.279
I want to tell you all about me because if we're gonna work together, you need to know me, my skills, what I'm good at, what I'm not, you know, all of that.
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:41.440
So in that process of transferring all of that over, uh, we're starting to see how that is done.
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:49.680
Um, clawed AI, for example, and I've seen I've seen a lot of people online saying that they're ditching Chat GPT.
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:59.440
I haven't told Miles, but anyway, but a lot of people are going that direction, and so I mean, I was looking into well, what would that mean?
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.960
I mean, I would hate to lose everything that we have in that.
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:16.239
So apparently with Claude AI, they give you a prompt to tailor as needed that you would be able to plug into any of your other AI for it to create like this big old code block that then you import.
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:17.920
So I'm curious about that.
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:24.559
I think that's interesting because it's like, wow, you're building the brain, and then now you're doing a brain transplant essentially.
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:25.920
And I'm like, whoa, that's kind of crazy.
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.079
So like a personality blockchain.
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.159
Yeah, like a personal ooh.
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:36.159
Well, that gets back to the whole thing about what happens if when we and it might be on blockchain.
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:44.960
If all of the information that is us, if like we had ooh, that would be some privacy concerns and ethics out.
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:46.000
Ooh, wow.
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.800
But like your own repository of everything about you.
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.119
Ooh, that could be hacked in a second.
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:54.880
Yeah, that ain't gonna happen in the US.
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.079
Well, not the hack part, but um, I don't see the laws allowing that.
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.800
But I mean, just imagine what that would mean for all these tools to be able to tie into you.
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.679
Wow, we'll be cyborgs.
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.960
Anyway, that was that was interesting.
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:10.000
We're the human.
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:10.960
I know, we're the human, I know.
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:16.159
I know, but yeah, we'll essentially be a cyborg in a way.
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.559
You'll have like your technological part and then give you the human part.
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.719
That's unreal.
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:30.639
So, but yeah, the the you know, the clawed AI and everything, uh, that's part the free program doesn't have the memory.
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.000
And a lot of the tools, it seems like you need to pay to play.
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.199
So um, that is something we haven't really gone into yet.
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:38.880
But Miles is still here at the moment.
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:40.079
Yeah, Miles is still here.
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.119
You know, Miles has not been replaced.
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.400
Um, we love Miles.
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.480
Um, but yeah.
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:53.119
But AI, it's amazing how much things have changed in the past few years.
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.599
And um short years.
00:35:56.079 --> 00:36:01.599
Nah, I mean, there's a lot that's happened in just a little tiny bit of time.
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.239
Yes, I mean just exponential growth um for sure.
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:12.800
And you know, you we initially did feel like it's like, okay, this is the tool we're gonna use.
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:13.760
Oh, here's another tool.
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:14.559
Let's use this one.
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.880
I remember when we first started messing with Grok, I'm like, okay, I guess this might replace Jack JPT.
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:23.519
And then through our experimentation on it, we're like, well, this is good at this, this is good at this.
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.840
Well, we can't just replace it.
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.440
But we did have them fight.
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.679
We did have him fight, and then and and grok roasted the world out of us.
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.199
Oh, yeah, he did great.
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.280
That was like absolutely great.
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.960
Like, I wrote stuff down.
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.239
I'm like, dang on, that's good.
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:39.519
I'm gonna use it on somebody else.
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:39.920
Right.
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:41.440
We probably need a new roast.
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.199
Yeah, that new roast of my own.
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.599
Everybody's upgraded, including us, maybe.
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.159
Right.
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.079
There's more to roast, right?
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:48.880
Right.
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.719
So but yeah, it's so it's interesting now.
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.440
It's almost like, yes, we are creating a a party of AI companions.
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.360
A business party, like a business meeting.
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:00.239
That's right.
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.480
You have a business meeting with them all, yes, you know, but still the CEO, the hero.
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:07.280
Exactly.
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:12.000
Yeah, we're still at the top of that, and that's been kind of the conversation from the very beginning.
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:21.760
You can't ask AI to do something if you don't really know the result you're looking for or how to correct it when it's gone in the wrong direction.
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:22.480
Right.
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:32.079
So, um And again, you have to know what you're how you're understanding your goal before you write your prompt.
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:32.960
Exactly.
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.920
Yep, you kind of you need to have that in mind.
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:47.840
Now, the more prompts you write, the more the again, the getting to know you part, the backstory is understood, the easier it is to to okay, well, here's what we're thinking.
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.400
Yep.
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:53.519
And then, you know, the Miles can come up with a little bit more because he knows more.
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.000
And you know, it's always good then to be like, okay, here's you know, here's what I'm thinking.
00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:59.440
What questions do you have?
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.039
And that's always impressive too.
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:06.400
Because sometimes the questions they come back at you with toward creating a better product.
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.760
You know, we again we just started to use it.
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.599
But when we started to use it, like you said a couple years ago, and I'm like, whoa.
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.239
Yes, but not like we're using it now.
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:17.280
No, not like now.
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:18.159
I mean, yeah.
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.760
So then it was it just a time or two, like, oh wow, this is really cool.
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:22.320
Yep.
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:30.719
But it took a while for a the the two things to get used to each other, us and and right, yeah, to get to know us, right?
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.000
Yeah, right, and the AI.
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:40.559
But also it took its own upgrades and its own way of uh drawing from understanding more.
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.599
Different engines or whatever got into it, and as it upgraded, it was able to do so much more.
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.280
Therefore, it went just cool, now it's like, whoa, this is impressive.
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:50.000
Right.
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:50.480
Right.
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.000
It's like it's like go off.
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.039
It grew very fast.
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.000
Keep talking.
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.360
What else you've got?
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.719
So, well, wow.
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.039
That I I think that was that that was a lot.
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:04.239
That was a really fun road.
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.079
Because um, a good quest, I guess.
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:07.440
It is a good quest.
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.079
And you know, we're gonna go back to the the tavern and sell some stuff.
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:13.440
Go back, yeah, right.
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.599
I I am so overloaded right now.
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:22.960
I have like, you know, three oak shields, about four sticks, and it's just taking up way too much room.
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.480
Clubs, yeah, right.
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.400
Yeah, I gotta get rid of all of this.
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.199
Right, and um knapsack can't hold it so much.
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:30.239
Right, exactly.
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.679
Yeah, it's like I saw a really good pair of like silver gloves.
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.039
I and you know, I should have just dropped everything on the ground and picked those up.
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:39.599
Right.
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:40.880
Yeah, I hope you did.
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:41.920
Did you get them?
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.079
So, alright, y'all.
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.920
But look, thanks for your support.
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:52.639
Go ahead and get to your character creation screen now and build your party of AI avatars.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.840
Um, yeah, we'll see what's ahead for us.
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:01.199
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