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In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Kimberley Linert, a Behavioural Optometrist specializing in the complex relationship between the eyes, the brain, and physical movement. We explore the science of "Functional Vision"—how eye tracking and visual processing impact everything from reading skills to brain rehabilitation and neuroplasticity.
Dr. Kimberley Linert is the founder of the Optic Brain Fit Foundation. Her work bridges the gap between traditional optometry and neurological integration, utilizing her background in brain rehabilitation and neuroplasticity-based training to help patients achieve greater clarity and cognitive function.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER: The difference between "eyesight" and "functional vision." How eye tracking issues can impact learning and daily focus. The role of neuroplasticity in vision therapy. Integrating movement and sensory awareness for brain health.
RESOURCES & LINKS: Visualizing Happiness: In Every Area of Your Life by Dr. Kimberley Linert; Self-Empowerment Reset: Entrepreneur Secrets (Co-authored)
DISCLAIMER: This video is for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Please note that content features US-based practices and regulations. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions regarding a medical condition or health goals.
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Welcome to Where Science Meets Self -Care with
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Ida Fanelli. With over 30 years in beauty and
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wellness and a background in medical science,
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Ida blends clinical knowledge with holistic care.
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Each week, she and her guests share insights
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to help you achieve healthier skin, balanced
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energy, and empowered self -care. Now, here's
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your host, Ida Finelli. Hello, everyone. I'm
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excited to say that I have Kimberly Linnert here
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today. She is a pioneer in behavioral optometry.
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While she began her education as a traditional
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optometrist, her journey soon led her beyond
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just glasses and eye charts into the deeper layers
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of vision where the eyes, brain, and body work
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together in profound and often surprising ways.
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Her education spans a broad spectrum from traditional
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optometry and brain rehabilitation to microcurrent
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therapy, neurolinguistic programming, Reiki,
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emotional healing, and neuroplasty -based intelligence
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training. From all this knowledge, she formed
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the Optic Brain Fit Foundation. This world -class
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therapy combines traditional vision therapy with
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brain and movement integration for life -changing
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results. She's also the author of Visualizing
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Happiness in Every Area of Your Life, a beautifully
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accessible guide that merges sensory awareness
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with practical goal setting, offering readers
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an experimental path towards greater clarity,
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joy, and purpose. On a personal note, Kimberly
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raised three children as a single mother and
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is now a proud grandmother. She finds joy in
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connecting with people, doing CrossFit and yoga,
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creating art and being near water, the beach,
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a lake, a pool, or anywhere nature calls. Welcome,
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Kimberly. Let's start with your journey. How
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did you first get into optometry and what led
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you to the behavioral aspect of this work? All
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right. Well, thank you, first of all, for having
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me on your show. I love it. Thank you for being
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here. You have. So, yeah, when you're growing
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up and people say, what is it you want to do
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when you grow, you know, when you get older?
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And I thought, well, I had an aunt who was a
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doctor and I said, I want to be a doctor like
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her because I admired her. And then I realized
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when I got to high school and I had to do biology.
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you know, using pigs and dissecting and everything,
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I decided that blood was not for me. And so I
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looked to see what thing I could do to help people
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that didn't involve a lot of blood. And about
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that same time, I was trying contact lenses for
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the first time. And I'm like, oh, this doctor
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helps people. And he doesn't have to deal with
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blood. So I'm like, that would be a good profession.
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So that's how I chose optometry itself. And optometry
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is a very left brained type of calling as far
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as just doing the science of everything. And
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I'm very right brained in that I'm very artistic.
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I see that. And I also love. working with people
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so when I got into optometry school I did a rotation
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in the vision therapy clinic where I worked with
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a young boy I'll just call him Darren and he
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was a nine -year -old when he came in he was
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very shy looking down but very friendly you know
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sweet kid but very shy and you could tell he
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kind of lacked confidence and so I started working
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with him doing these vision eye exercises and
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after about four or five weeks he'd come in and
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his Head was up. He was happy. He was like smiling.
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Hey, how are you? And I'm like, Darren, because
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I'm new, so I'm just doing what I was taught,
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right? So I said, Darren, has anything changed
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since I've been working with you these last few
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weeks? He's like, yes. I said, well, what is
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it? He said, well, I don't feel stupid anymore.
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I said, what? You don't feel stupid anymore.
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I said, what do you mean by that? He said, well,
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in the past. I couldn't read. And so when I was
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asked to read aloud in class, everyone would
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laugh at me. But now I can read and nobody laughs
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at me. And I'm just like, oh, that just hit my
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heart. And I'm like, oh, if I could just do this
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over and over, help people have the skills they
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need to have that confidence, have that self
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-love, the feeling like they can do things again.
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I'm like, that would be fulfilling enough for
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me for a whole life. That's what I did. I went
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into what's called behavioral optometry. And
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that's where we have therapy centers and we kind
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of train the eyes and the brain to work together
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as a team. And then as I was doing more and more
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work there, I realized I was doing more brain
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work than vision. So it flipped from... 80 %
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vision, 20 % brain to 80 % brain work, 20 % vision.
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And then I realized as I added movement to it,
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that would give me sustainable results where
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they would really stick because the body has
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memory from movement. We also create new brain
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pathways when we move. And so that's where the
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optic brain fit came in. As the years went on,
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I was just developing this new technology. Wow.
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It's so nice when you get feedback from people
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and then it inspires you to go on. You've been
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called a mind -body -soul whisperer. That's such
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a powerful phrase. How did your work evolve to
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blend holistic and scientific approaches? Yeah,
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so about the same time I was learning vision
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therapy and I was being mentored by Dr. David
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Cook, who is... one of the most famous vision
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therapy doctors in the world at this point. In
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fact, he just got a very prestigious award a
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couple months ago, like the highest award you
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can get in behavioral optometry. As I was learning
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from him, my children were very small, and my
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middle child had a nose that kept running and
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running, and no matter what we did, she walked
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around and it was horrible. She had this runny
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nose and I didn't know what to do. And the regular
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doctors weren't helping us. And so somebody said,
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well, take her to this doctor who does naturopathy.
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He's a naturopathic doctor. I'm like, okay. So
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I took her there. He said, well, first of all,
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she needs to stop eating cheese because she's
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allergic to dairy. And then he gave us some homeopathics
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and she got better. I'm like, oh, there's something
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to this. So then as I evolved, I integrated more
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and more natural medicine into it, learning energetic
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medicine, homeopathy, herbs, different supplements.
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So because when I work with people, I need to
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look at their nutrition as well as their mental
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health, as well as their emotional health, as
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well as just even their family structure and
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what's happening at home. Because if you're working
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with someone in a therapy center, but things
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at home are not positive for that person and
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they're going home and they're being put down
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or things aren't happening well, then your gains
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are going to keep falling apart. You're going
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to say, well, this person gets better and then
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gets worse and then gets better and then gets
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worse. So you have to look at everything when
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it comes to the person to create a customized
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program to help them get to the goal they want.
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Yeah, so for those... who are new to this space
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can you explain to them what exactly optic brain
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fit is and how does it differ from traditional
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vision therapy traditional vision therapy we're
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using a lot of lenses and prisms and doing a
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lot of focusing and making just the eyes work
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a lot and getting the eyes to coordinate together
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as a team eye movements things like that but
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the optic brain fit a large portion of it You
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are moving your eyes and doing certain tasks
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with your eyes, but it's more of the body integrated
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for most of the work. It puts in a lot more movement.
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The eyes are deeply connected to the brain, and
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some holistic practices even explore how eye
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patterns reflect systemic health. Regardless
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of the modality, there's no denying vision's
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influence on emotion, hormone balance, and motor
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coordination. Why do you think vision is a powerful
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yet often overlooked part of brain and body performance?
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I think part of the reasons anything is overlooked
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is that most traditional, I guess, Western medicine
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doctors are just treating parts. They're treating
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parts. You go to the ear, nose, and throat doctor,
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he's treating your ears. He's not looking at
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all of you. oh, why does this person have an
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earache? Well, if you're just treating the ear
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locally, what if they have an infection in their
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whole body, but you don't know it because you're
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not checking everything? So I think that's one
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of the reasons. And behavioral optometrists in
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general are going to look at the whole body.
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We're going to look how everything works. Many
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unconsciously move their neck instead of using
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their eyes to track movement, weakening the muscles
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over time. Does over -relying on head or neck
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movement rather than accurate eye tracking impair
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visual performance or disrupt brain integration?
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And how might this habit impact posture coordination
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or emotional regulation? That's a really good
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question. So it's really important that your
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eyes and your head move independently. Now, if
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you're going to go walk in a direction to the
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right, you definitely want to turn your body,
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turn your head and turn your eyes going in that
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direction. But you also want to have the ability
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to turn your head to the right and turn your
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eyes to the left because when they work together,
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it's very inefficient. Even a small eight or
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nine -year -old, if they're reading and they're,
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looking like a chicken pecking when they're reading,
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that's very inefficient. And their reading comprehension
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and reading speed will go down significantly.
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And they'll just be considered a slow reader
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or have difficulty with reading. Yeah. My husband
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had an accident that caused damage to his peripheral
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vision. How might that affect his navigation,
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perception, or emotional life experience? And
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what... One surprising thing about the vision
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system you wish more people knew? That's a two
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-part question. Okay. The first part is, you
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know, we have central and peripheral vision.
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Our central vision is for identifying, clarifying
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things, focusing. Our peripheral vision is for
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balance and for navigating. So if he had something
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that was affecting his peripheral vision, first
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of all, It's not as safe for him in the environment
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because he's not noticing what's around him.
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So he could easily either fall over because of
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balance or run into things. People who have had
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injuries and say, like, I keep running into the
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side of the door. Especially those doors where
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it's all glass. And they really are looking at
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the door and they think they see where the door
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is, but because they have what we call neglect
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on that side. they don't see it and they run
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right into it. So it's really important that
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you use your central and your peripheral vision
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together. And for lots of reasons, one for navigating,
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two, it just increases your ability to think,
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to make decisions, to have certainty in life,
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to have confidence in life. There's so many things
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attached to that. Most of us go around using
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just our central vision. Why? Because we're in
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front of screens all the time. But it's very
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important that you open up and use everything.
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And then the second part of the question, there's
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lots of things that I wish people knew about
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the vision, but just looking at just the physical
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health of the eyes. The eyes are the endpoint
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for everything. So if your body is sick, these
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are the endpoints. If you have diabetes, you
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could get bleeding in your eye. If you have thyroid
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issues, you can have problems with your eye.
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If you have high blood pressure problems, you're
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going to have problems with your eyes. So it's
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really important to keep care of this part of
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your body, the whole body. And what's important
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is one, breathing, which sounds funny, but we
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need to breathe and get good oxygen and breathe
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well. We need to move to keep everything circulating
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the way it should. And then when it comes to
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foods, the most important thing for eyes, is
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green i tell people green is good so you want
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to eat green spinach and collard greens and turnip
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greens and broccoli the darker green the better
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other things that are good of course carrots
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are famous for that there's a good for night
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vision some other things and then even your tomatoes
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and your yellow peppers your yellow and orange
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vegetables are very very important for eyes what
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is damaging to eyes in the physical realm is
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anything with chemicals so aspartame and eat
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things out of the frozen section and or in the
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canned section And it has those chemicals that
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are very damaging to the retina. Wow. I never
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thought about it that way. We take astaxanthin
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every day. We heard it was good for the eyes
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too. So I'm sure you're big on that as well.
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Okay. I'm curious. Can trauma or chronic stress
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manifest in the visual system and how might visual
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therapy support emotional or even spiritual healing?
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Yes. So first of all, just looking at the emotions.
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Regardless of how your vision is, whether you
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wear glasses or contacts or not, how well you
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see or not, when we're tired, sick, or upset,
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our vision doesn't work as well. It gets blurrier.
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We don't notice as much things. Sometimes we
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get tunnel vision, or we just don't feel good,
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or even things get kind of fuzzy in our world,
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and that's from the stress. Even after doing
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vision therapy, during those situations, tired,
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sick, or upset, Like, for example, if there's
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a person that we worked with and their eye was
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one eye pointing over here and one eye pointing
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straight, and we got them so that their eyes
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look straight all the time, it's called strabismus.
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When they're tired, sick, or upset, sometimes
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their eye will still go out because they don't
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have any resources left, if you will. But most
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of the time, they're going to control the eyes
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and look straight. But any person under stress,
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your vision is not going to be as good. Definitely.
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You also lead retreats. Can you share more about
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what those experiences offer and how they differ
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from your one -on -one work? Yes, I prefer very
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small groups, 8 to 12 at the most, because I
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like to go very deep with people because retreats
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are when you take someone out of their regular
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environment and you put them in this little safe
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place away from their regular life. And that's
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when you can really do deep work. So I'll work
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with them in a group, but then I'll also work
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with them one -on -one. And usually people are
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coming because they're in a transition period
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or they're making decisions that are not beneficial
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for themselves. And so we need to kind of clear
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some of those blind spots, some of those things,
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filters that are causing them to make decisions
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that aren't good or keeping them from making
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decisions that are beneficial for them. Do you
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see some exciting results from doing that? I
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love doing it. A lot of people, they've had emotional
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things or trauma in their life, and they might
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have been going, and this is not to put down
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any other profession, but they've been going
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to a counselor or a psychologist or psychiatrist
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for years for the same traumatic event and talking
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about the same traumatic event over and over
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for years. And guess what? They still are feeling
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the trauma. And it was like, okay, something's
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wrong. The way I work with people, we don't make
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them go back into the trauma and live it again
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or talk about it or anything. We just look from
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kind of a distant place, almost like a third
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person place, if you will. I use the example
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of... You're in a church in the balcony and you
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can see the front and you can see the people
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in the bottom and you're up here and the events
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happening down on the stage, but you're up here.
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So you're like looking down at it. So it's a
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way they can distance themselves from it. They
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can emotionally distance themselves from it and
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then just wipe it out. And it's like, okay, let's
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take this away as if it had never happened. At
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least it's not going to have any more charge
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over me. Oh, great. You blend science, healing,
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emotional wellness, and spiritual insight into
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your client's work. Do you follow a structure
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or process when guiding someone through a transformation?
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Yes, I have a framework, but it depends on the
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person I'm working with. So I will go deeply
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into the case history, if you will. Being a doctor,
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I call it a case history. I'm going deeply into,
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okay, where are you at right now? What's the
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outcome you want? From that point, I choose which
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tools to use because I told someone this once
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and they thought it was kind of funny, but I
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tell people, I have a shed full of tools in the
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back. I have a lot of tools because I had to
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learn so many different things because of what
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I did. So I see what's there. I see where you
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want to go. And then I pull out the... appropriate
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tools oh great personalize it for them then yes
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okay do you have daily practices to help with
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your own vision yes yes and there's like I'm
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just wondering you had trouble with your eyes
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have your own eyes improved oh definitely so
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this is a long time story so about 30 years ago
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I actually went through a vision therapy treatment
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myself and also did some things on my own as
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far as treating my vision. Not everybody knows
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what the numbers are, but I was nearsighted.
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My numbers were minus 3 .00. So I tell people
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that's in diopters. So diopters are in dollars
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and quarters like money. So it was a minus 3
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in the right and a minus 3 .00 in the left. That
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doesn't sound good. No, I was very nearsighted.
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I have trouble driving at night. I was very nearsighted.
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Also, when I was tired, I would see two yellow
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lines in the road. I would get some double vision
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sometimes too. And glasses didn't help you with
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that? No, no. It helped me clear my vision, the
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glasses, but it didn't get rid of the double
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vision. Okay. I did the vision therapy on myself.
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And now... My prescription is a minus 1 .25,
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so it was $3, but now it's $1 .25 and $1, 1 .00.
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And you don't see the double lines now? I don't
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see the double lines now, and it's been that
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same prescription for 30 years. That's great,
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you know, because usually when you get older,
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your eyes get worse. Right, and I'm way over
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40, and I need nothing for reading. which is
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uncommon. I'm way past 40 and I need nothing
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for reading. So like you're doing maintenance
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on yourself still is what you're saying. I think
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at this point I am not doing a daily like vision
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therapy exercises, but there's practices that
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I've implemented that I automatically do. So
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for example, if I'm driving and I see it, look
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at how did it assign and it looks a little bit
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fuzzy. I know to blink and wink my eye a certain
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way, like blink it open fast, and it's going
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to clear it because I've practiced it so much
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that it automatically becomes clear. Oh, great.
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Well, that's so exciting to hear that. Same thing
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as when I walk outside, you know, talking about
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the central peripheral vision, so many people
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walk around with their blinders on or the people
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who have attention issues, it's because they're
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using their peripheral and they're not focused
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and they just. run after everything or whatever,
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they can't stay focused. But I've already practiced
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that when I go freshly into a bigger place, it's
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easier to expand then, that I just automatically
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use my central peripheral vision together. But
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it's because when I was practicing it, I practiced
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it till it was automatic. So now the things I'm
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doing are automatic. And that's why my vision
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is staying stable and good. That's wonderful
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to hear that. It's inspiring. Do you ever use
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any of your devices that you have to help it
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or is it just exercises? Well, there's different
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things you can use because when you say devices,
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that just opens up a can of worms. There's so
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many things. So one of the things that I didn't
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use when I first started out doing the therapy
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on myself, but I incorporated it later, was syntonic
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light therapy. So using certain frequencies of
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light can be very healing, not just for vision
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itself, but for emotions, for the physical body.
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So different colors. heal different things or
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at least balance the body depending on what you
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need. So that's one thing. And there's a microcurrent
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you can use. The microcurrent you have, you know,
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you're actually putting things on the body. This
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one, you just hold these electrodes in your hand
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and it circulates through the body. And so you
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can self -do it. In other words, you don't have
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to have another person do it. You can just hold
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them, and then the microcurrent machine can be
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programmed. So mine is really just programmed
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for reducing stress. Like we talked about, if
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you have high stress, you're not going to see
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well. So I have mine programmed for just stress
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relief, but that can be programmed for all the
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different layers in the back of the eye and everything.
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They're all separate frequencies. That's exciting
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to hear. Yeah, I know I've watched a few YouTube
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videos on those devices, but nobody up here does
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it. Okay, so you also do keynote speaking. What
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message do you most love sharing from the stage?
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Well, let me put it this way. My mission in life,
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what I think my purpose is, because I'm helping
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other people find their purpose, right? So my
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purpose is to help people feel loved, important,
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and needed. I wrote this book, Visualizing Happiness,
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and every... area of your life. And it's kind
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of like a step by step guide to finding out who
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you are, what you like, what's important, and
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then putting it on your calendar and actually
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making it happen. So this is one way I can help
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people find their purpose or what they're supposed
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to be doing right now. I do it through my podcast
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by having all sorts of different people on there
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doing different things to spark people's curiosity
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and creativity about what they might like to
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do by just having different people on there.
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And then when I speak to people, I like to give
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them First of all, the message that you are enough,
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you're important, and give them tools to increase
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their confidence, increase their feeling like,
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hey, they can do everything. And then that therapy
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part of me, especially if I'm working more with
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people independently, if there's something they
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want to master, everything has basic steps. And
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I don't have to be a master of golf to work with
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a golfer. I just teach them the basic steps of
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mastering something to help them get to their
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goal. So I like to speak about finding your purpose,
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high performance, and just being the best version
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of yourself. Well, that's important because sometimes
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people can't see it for themselves. You know,
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they need to be guided. Okay, so you talked about
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your book, Visualizing Happiness in Every Area
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of Your Life, and what inspired you to write
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it, and why should someone pick it up? Thank
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you for asking that. It's a while ago now. I
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had a colleague who was a neurochiropractor that
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sometimes when I had really hard cases, I would
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enlist him and say, hey, I need help with this
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person because they have so much going on. And
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he was brilliant. I mean, when he was speaking
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and he spoke fast, half the time I couldn't keep
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up with him. And I was trained in brain stuff,
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but he was like super trained in it and just
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knew so much. And one day, one of our patients
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that we shared came in. And they said, do you
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know that he died a couple weeks ago? I was like,
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what? And he was in his late 50s. And I thought
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to myself. He died with all the brilliance inside
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him. He hadn't written a book. He hadn't written
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it down. And all his experience, all his information
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that he found or that he researched or that he
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learned was gone now. just gone because he wasn't
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here anymore. And I'm like, I don't want that
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to happen to me. I want to find a way to share
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my experience, my knowledge that I've learned
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over these, the time is 20 something years, and
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share it with people. When I leave this earth,
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I want to leave empty. I don't want to leave
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with all my knowledge inside me. So I asked somebody,
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well, what do you do to disseminate information
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to a lot of people? And they said, well, You
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write a book and you become a speaker. So that's
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what I did. And I thought about what would I
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want to write a book about? Because my background
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is about really living the best life and mastering
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and becoming your best self. I thought, what
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better than finding happiness in every area of
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your life? So that's why I wrote the book. The
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reason someone might want to pick up this book
00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:59.730
is. It's a step -by -step guide to creating a
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life you love. So a lot of research on happiness,
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like how to be happy. And then at the end of
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every chapter, I have questions. So like at the
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end of the chapter says, who am I? Then there's
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questions you can answer. And you want to write
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down these questions or type them, whatever your
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preference is. But you want to write them down
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as you go through the book. So it's kind of like
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a book with information, but a workbook. And
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as you write down the answers, you get to know
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yourself a little bit better. And then at the
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end of the book, you put it all together by actually
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putting it on your calendar. What is it I like?
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What's important to me? Who do I want to spend
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time with? What are my values? And then we put
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it all together actually on a calendar. And I
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tell people, you should kind of assess yourself
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about every quarter because things change and
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what's important to you during that season might
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be different. So that's one reason. Another reason
00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.039
is there's stories from different people, just
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like on my podcast, stories from different people
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about how they found happiness. So that's also
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.279
in the book. The other thing is, you see, it's
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.920
a nice little book. I'm a big time reader, but
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I like little books that are easy to read. So
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it's very easy to read. See, there's a lot of
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white space. And it's one that you can go through
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and actually complete it. Because, you know,
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what's the sense of a book if you read it and
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don't remember it or you never complete it? So
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it's easy. I tell people even a 9, 10, 11 -year
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-old kid could read this and get something out
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of it. You've designed it for all ages is what
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you're saying. Yeah. Well, that's good to know.
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It's not too complicated then. Right, right.
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And that's the whole idea of it. It's not like
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a school assignment. It's like, oh, I'm spending
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this few minutes to read this one chapter and
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then answer the questions to learn about me.
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Because how do we know what we want if we don't
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know ourselves? So it's to help you get to know
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yourself. Yeah, well, that's great. And you're
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also writing another book, right? Actually, I'm
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doing the second edition of this one right now,
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so I'm just adding to it because there's some
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things after I had written this, and this one
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took me a while because it was my first real
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book, if you will. It took me a while and I kept
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changing and morphing it. But there's more things
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I want to add to the book. So I'm actually going
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to re -release the second edition of it. So it'll
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still be in that same format with the workbook
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and everything. It's just there's some additional
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things I want to add to it. So if somebody bought
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the second book, does that mean they don't have
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to have the first book is what you're saying?
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's just, yeah, we all learn
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and think, oh, I should have put this in. I should
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have put that in. So your podcast, The Incredible
00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.299
Life, must be very inspiring for you to meet
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all these different people. And what highlights
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do you have from doing that show? Do you have
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any? Yes. So first of all, deeply in my heart,
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I feel like. Every single person on the planet
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is here for a reason, for a purpose. And some
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people are going to do things that everyone sees,
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but everybody has a purpose. Even the grandmother
00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:30.029
who is now 88 in a wheelchair, she still has
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a purpose. Her purpose might be to hug her grandkids.
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So we all have a reason for being here. As long
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as we're breathing, we're here, we have a reason
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to be here. And sometimes... Our purpose at one
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season is different than a purpose at another
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season. And so I love having people from all
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.000
different walks of life on the podcast. One,
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.200
because I think everyone's story is valuable.
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You don't have to be a famous person or be in
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the spotlight all the time. I think of a mom
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of five came on and said, you know, this is how
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I be a good mom. That's valuable. So I think
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everyone has something to share. And it's really
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important that you not only find your purpose
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and do it and master it and be the best you can
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at what you're supposed to be doing here, but
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also that you share your gifts with people. Because
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what's the point? If you don't share your gifts,
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there's a hole. We all lose. The rest of society
00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:33.980
loses when someone doesn't share their gift.
00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:39.299
Oh, definitely. learns from their life experiences
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:41.819
you don't share what you've learned it's just
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like someone when they start out they're starting
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from zero with nobody to learn from yeah so that's
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.500
great how can people connect with you you can
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connect with me on Facebook or on LinkedIn I
00:31:56.500 --> 00:32:00.619
also have a link tree which has all my links
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on it I don't have a I'll put it at the end your
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.859
link tree yeah But the first one, if you actually
00:32:06.859 --> 00:32:09.380
wanted to connect with me, the first one is a
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15 -minute connection call. So you can always
00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:14.680
sign up for that and we'll have a conversation.
00:32:15.019 --> 00:32:17.119
Other than that, my links are just all on my
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.059
link tree. Anything you want to see that I'm
00:32:19.059 --> 00:32:22.400
doing, I'm a very eclectic person. Just like
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.339
my book, Visualizing Happiness in Every Area
00:32:24.339 --> 00:32:27.119
of Your Life, on my link tree I have things from
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.859
financial stuff to brain stuff to supplements.
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.400
to, you know, vision therapy stuff. So whatever
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it is you're interested in. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.079
that's good. Yeah, because I did look at your
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link tree. I thought, wow, that's a good idea,
00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:48.960
I thought. And on your podcast, you also incorporate,
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.539
you don't just talk to other people. You have
00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:55.660
information about optometry things, right? I
00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:58.200
mostly am interviewing other people right now.
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I have thought about doing that. a lot recently.
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I did see one. You have a YouTube video on the
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meibomian gland dysfunction and dry eye relief.
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I thought that was a good one. I did that for
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my patients, actually. And one of the reasons
00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:19.190
I did that is when I have someone in the chair
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and they have dry eyes, and this was for a particular
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thing called meibomian gland dysfunction, which
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is a certain kind of dry eye, but there's a procedure
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that I have them go through. And there's so many
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people where I live in Georgia and United States
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:35.359
that have dry eye because of allergies or being
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on computers and things like that, that I tell
00:33:39.619 --> 00:33:42.480
people this procedure all day long when I'm seeing
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.150
patients. And a lot of times they forget or whatever.
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So what I do is I go through it briefly with
00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:52.049
them in the room, but then I give them the video.
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That saves me chair time. That gives them a video
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that they can watch it again and again if they
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need to. Yeah. So that's the reason for that.
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It's not part of the podcast. I just put it up
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to help my patients or anybody who has dry eyes.
00:34:07.869 --> 00:34:10.789
I thought it was quite informative. Is there
00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:14.280
anything else you want to say? Like you want
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.800
to share and you can just be open with what you
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want to say. Yeah. Well, first of all, thank
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.500
you for letting me be on the podcast today. And
00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:28.460
we met because you are a very famous Brains Magazine
00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:33.940
contributor. Amazing articles that you write.
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And I just started as a Brains Magazine contributor.
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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, no. Yeah, I've read some
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:46.630
of yours too. And that's how I even contacted
00:34:46.630 --> 00:34:49.010
you. I'm like, I have to have her on my podcast.
00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:54.630
Well, thank you. I enjoy, like you, that's my
00:34:54.630 --> 00:34:57.389
way of leaving my legacy is giving this information.
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Thank you for being so kind. I really enjoyed
00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:03.969
talking to Kimberly and it was nice that we could
00:35:03.969 --> 00:35:06.809
share this time together. And hopefully we'll
00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:09.730
get to talk another day. That would be great.
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Thank you so much, Ida. Thank you for tuning
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