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00:03.325Darling, why'd you go and listen?
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00:09.214They ain't got nothing good to say.
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00:15.730Now there's so much life you're missing.
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00:21.850So-called friends led you astray.
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00:28.509You know the devil keeps us company.
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00:34.714With all its bright and shiny things.
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00:42.928I think about, you know, when you ask somebody
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00:47.052how their day was and they say good, it's like it is a— we're
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00:51.692going to see it's a huge word. It's a big, important word.
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00:54.990And it also can mean absolutely nothing in our
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00:58.988day. I don't think that's the enemy that's twisted that necessarily.
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01:01.014I just think, how was your day? It was good. I think it's a laziness,
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01:04.220though, because for me, it's a laziness. Answer.
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01:07.300I did a billion things I don't want to talk about. How are y'all doing?
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01:11.820We're doing good. Doing good. Doing good. It's a word that means absolutely nothing.
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01:15.360Glaze over. Don't ask me another question. It's what you're supposed to say,
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01:18.020you know? Yeah, good. Yeah, it was a good day. And that's what my kids
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01:21.460say when I ask them, how was your day at school? Good. It's good.
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01:25.220Yeah, it's good. So it's funny because that's not the biblical
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01:29.300meaning that we're going to get into here. But so much more than just,
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01:31.160oh yeah, I had a good day. Yeah, it's kind of like a love maybe
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01:33.840where it's like you can love a hot dog, but you can also love your
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01:36.880wife. Yeah,
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01:40.200and 2 different kinds of love, right? Yeah, 2 different kinds of good too,
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01:44.020right? Good day, but you can have a good day. You can have a good
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01:47.720brisket. Mm-hmm. And you can also be good.
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01:52.020Yeah, and Jesus is good. And somehow those all mean different things,
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01:56.220right? So there's a lot, a lot to experience good and you can be
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02:00.180good. You can be good. You can feel good. Feel good.
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02:05.220Yeah. Good is kind of a funny word. Yeah. What is good? What is good?
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02:09.283Yeah, it's a greeting. Yeah, what's good? Yeah. Let's get it. Good morning.
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02:12.811Good morning. Yeah, you say that regardless if it's a good morning or not.
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02:16.883It's, hey, good morning. It's a bad morning. Yeah, yeah, like, man, that's just— I
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02:20.491think, I think good has probably is twisted more
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02:24.452than just about any of these. Oh yeah, um, because what
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02:28.220is good for you? What's good for you? Yeah, we always define
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02:32.501good by our own standard or our feelings or our emotions
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02:36.340or the temporal, whatever circumstance you find yourself in. Yeah. It's kind of like
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02:40.620the same theme in all these. Yeah, yeah, very similarly.
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02:44.640Yeah. Well, welcome back, guys. If you just watched, uh, the previous episode,
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02:48.160you'll notice that we're still wearing the same clothes. Maybe we should have swapped seats
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02:52.940or something. I don't know, we just started rolling.
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02:56.700We're not that pretentious that we gotta— we did before the same same outfit
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03:00.940for an entire week. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, I know some—
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03:04.500I hear on some podcasts where they'll record like they'll take a whole day and
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03:08.538record like 6 or 7 podcasts and they bring different outfits and they like,
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03:12.465they change, but they'll talk about it. So we weren't
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03:16.424that prepared. That's serious. We didn't have any outfit changes. We intended the last
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03:20.575episode on kindness to be kindness and goodness together, and then we ended
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03:24.262up talking for more than an hour about kindness. And so, uh, we're gonna try
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03:27.917to jump back into— which was good. It was good.
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03:31.555Now we can talk about goodness. Goodness. And I see Casey's
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03:36.125open to Genesis all the way to the beginning, and, uh, Ethan's over
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03:39.509to Galatians. Why don't you read the fruit of the Spirit section again?
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03:42.028Yeah, so we'll start with the fruit of the Spirit like we have been doing.
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03:46.456Galatians
5:22 says, but the fruit of the Spirit
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03:49.888is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
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03:54.172goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against— or I'll
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03:58.663just stop right there. Against such things there's no law. So we've been kind
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04:03.237of breaking them down and now we're here at goodness, right? And I kind
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04:06.818of struggled with the last one— kindness. I felt like it was, well, kindness is
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04:10.271kindness. Yeah, but we ended up talking for an hour about it which was,
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04:13.628you know, I realized some aspects about it, you know,
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04:16.904and I felt some conviction through that, but goodness is one of those that I
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04:21.690think it's easier to define, and it's easier to see how the world
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04:26.042has twisted goodness. Kindness— no, not too much of a twist there I guess.
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04:29.302I'm sure there's some examples of bad you
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04:33.411know, using— misusing kindness, but goodness, we see that pretty prevalent
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04:37.361in our culture, in our society, in our world, and for
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04:40.796as long as you can look back in history, right? That, oh, what, you know,
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04:43.910what was good, and you said it a while ago, is defined by the person
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04:47.570that's, you know, talking about it, you know, and that doesn't always mean that's good,
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04:51.728right? No. So Casey, you want to close up? There's a prophet
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04:55.549at some point, I can't remember where it is, but woe to you who call
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04:59.765that which is good bad, or call that which is good evil and call that
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05:03.083which is evil good, right? There's a— there's— this is,
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05:06.706this is the heart of— from the beginning, what is good is the
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05:10.185story of the world, right? Good versus evil.
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05:13.871And, um, what did Adam and Eve— right,
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05:17.158they were, hey, eat this fruit and you'll know good and evil,
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05:21.069right? What was the name of the tree? The tree of knowledge
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05:24.754of good and evil, right? So This has been twisted from the beginning.
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05:29.538So what does God
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05:32.940define as good? That's what's good, right, is what
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05:36.615God calls good, and in Genesis in the beginning in the creation
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05:40.935account it talks about how God was creating all
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05:43.698these things, and then it says,
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05:48.222and God saw that it was good, so God
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05:51.783is who really defines what is good,
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05:55.094and then like you said we read on into the creation of
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05:58.669mankind, and in
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06:01.627the creation of— I believe it was Eve,
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06:04.521and he said it is really good, right?
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06:08.588And then the fall,
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06:13.041right? That they're tempted with eating from the
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06:16.643knowledge of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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06:21.707And that's a— I mean, that's a kind of a— that's a
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06:25.304weird topic. And we can go there if you want to.
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06:30.037But why was that? Here's a
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06:33.869question. Why was that even a temptation?
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06:36.930Like, why? Have you ever thought about that? Like,
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06:41.221why did God even give
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06:45.645that as an option? I think he
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06:50.070gave them a choice. A choice to— it's free will, right? I agree with that.
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06:54.446Yeah, but what I'm saying is even deeper than that, the free will to
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06:59.479know what is good or to know what is evil.
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07:03.904So I mean, I've heard different talks about,
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07:06.821you know, that, and I really believe like, no,
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07:09.851they knew what good was. They could just look around. They knew what God had
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07:13.986said was good. God had already defined this good. My creation is good. You are
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07:17.623good. So they already knew what good was. They didn't know what evil
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07:20.988was. Okay. I think that was what was enticing. There's something else I don't know.
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07:25.185They had an understanding of what was good because they experienced
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07:28.790it. Yeah. Now, but did they know that that was
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07:32.732good? And you can't know that it was good unless you know that there's something
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07:36.849out there that is evil. So yeah, so there's—
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07:40.502but if they just— without the contrast, you don't really know what is good,
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07:44.205I guess. Without this, and this is where I'm leading to, this is where
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07:48.532I'm trying to go, is that only God can
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07:53.101tell us, show us, and allow us to experience what is good even
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07:57.044today, even knowing that there is good
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08:01.676and evil. How do we do that? How do we have the availability
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08:06.116to understand what is good and
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08:10.011not just have a a simple
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08:13.699knowledge of it, but, but actually know and experience and
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08:17.676believe. Um, well, the only way is knowledge
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08:20.739of God, right? Like, I know we— each one of us,
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08:25.453uh, Romans talks about it, we're without excuse. We know that
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08:29.350which is good, uh, and right because of the
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08:33.663created order, like through creation. And so we have,
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08:37.063we have a morality a
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08:41.582moral conscience, every human, regardless of whether they— but
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08:45.477once we reject God, we know that that conscience is seared, right? And it's,
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08:48.314and it's, uh, bent towards evil,
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08:52.369right? So we, though we know that which is good, we exchange
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08:56.696it for that which is evil. That's humanity's story. Um, so how
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09:01.280do— how is that redeemed? It's through knowledge of God, right? It's through relationship
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09:04.870with God. God is good. God is— oh yeah. And so that's the only way
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09:08.206we can be good, right? What would y'all say the opposite of
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09:12.666good is? Before we go there, I think we should expand what
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09:16.868you just said. Like, that's exactly what we're going over, right? Is the fruits of
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09:19.611what? It's the fruit of the Spirit of God. Yeah,
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09:23.557it's a fruit of the Spirit. So the only way we can in our human
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09:28.097experience know and understand what is truly good
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09:31.466is to have God's Spirit in us and,
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09:35.187and to work, you know, work this out in
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09:39.248our lives. They had creation. They also walked with God,
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09:42.540and I'm sure those conversations— God is describing that which is
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09:46.425good to them, right? And so, um, we,
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09:49.396we have a similar experience,
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09:52.960you know. We're walking in the Spirit. Yeah, walk by
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09:56.766the Spirit. That's the next couple verses. Keep in step with the
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10:00.507Spirit, right? And he's going to show us what is good, right?
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10:04.248Because what is good is complicated in our present
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10:07.877day, you know. It was maybe simpler in the garden
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10:12.131I think it's very complicated today. Yeah, what is ethical?
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10:15.840What is right? What is good? Knowing what is good and what
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10:19.693we should do, it, it is available through scripture,
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10:24.397but there's also some scenarios and things that scripture doesn't
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10:27.881speak to, right? So like you take the issue of IVF,
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10:32.714right? Intra— in intravenous fertilization,
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10:36.231right? So That's a complicated
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10:40.021scenario. And I'm not even asking
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10:43.218that we even dive in, go on the record today of what
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10:46.510we think is good. But what you're saying is there's scenarios that
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10:49.915Jesus did not cover because it wouldn't have even made sense to them.
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10:54.107You're talking about aliens to them, right? So exactly. Yeah, obviously.
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10:58.155Or how do we balance the use of even a smartphone? Like how
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11:01.591much screen time? Like that's not necessarily talked
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11:06.034about in scripture, but there's wisdom applied to that, and so I think goodness is
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11:09.676a complicated thing. Like knowing what is right
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11:14.151and good in our world takes a lot of wisdom and
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11:18.001community and time in God's Word and walking by the Spirit and
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11:21.226conviction, you know, and with some of those harder topics like, you know,
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11:25.541screen time or video games or certain video games or certain
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11:29.116practices, right? I think that we can still find the answer in
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11:31.744scripture. I think that's what you're kind of saying. It's like, it's— yeah, it doesn't
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11:35.654say like, hey, you should only watch 3 hours a day, but we can see,
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11:39.067you know, what is good, what is true, which go
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11:42.704hand in hand together, right? Yeah. What is the difference there?
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11:46.357I think there's a goodness and truth, or are they very much— I think they're
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11:50.315one and the same. You know, the word of truth,
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11:54.032you know, Jesus was the word. He was truth. He was good. I mean,
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11:57.465I think it's it all describes the same person in my mind.
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12:00.659You know, I can see how you can take them apart and describe them individually,
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12:04.351but for me it's one and the same, but I think one of those— a
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12:07.689practice that we can do to evaluate is kind of like 3 steps. You know,
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12:11.092what does God's Word say about it? Well, God's Word doesn't say my
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12:14.767screen time, right? Say, okay, what's the Holy Spirit saying? And that's go
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12:18.764to prayer, you know, go to God in prayer and meditate and do
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12:22.294read Scripture as well, and okay, I am convicted because
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12:25.664I'm spending more time on my phone rather than in God's Word.
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12:29.948Okay, that's what the Holy Spirit is teaching me, and you know, and if you
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12:32.452pray about it and you're still kind of like, well, I'm not quite sure.
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12:35.982I think it's okay. God's giving you a choice, you know, and I heard a
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12:40.138speaker present it like that. He was talking about, you know, what school should I
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12:42.833go to? I don't know. I have 3, 4 options.
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12:46.781Is there a wrong option? And he kind of broke it down like, what's God's
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12:50.650Word say? Obviously it doesn't say Ole Miss or whatever.
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12:54.470It doesn't matter, right? Okay, what's your— what's the Spirit telling you? And for that
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12:58.170speaker, he was saying, you know, well, the Spirit, you know, convicted me because I
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13:00.690kind of wanted to go to this school, but, you know, that was because that's
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13:04.310a party school and that's kind of what I wanted. And obviously that's, that's wrong.
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13:07.190So the Spirit will lead you. And then he was left with 2 options,
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13:11.210you know, and, and he didn't have an answer. And his point was, is like,
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13:15.288God gives you an option. You can make a choice. And you know, after you've
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13:18.938evaluated his word and after you evaluated time and
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13:22.007prayer with him, then God gives you a choice. He gave Adam and Eve a
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13:26.119choice in the garden, right? Yeah. He had already— we
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13:29.747can say they didn't have the word, but they had God himself, right? They had
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13:33.322that option. The word was there. The word was with God. So God does give
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13:37.483us options, and so in doing so, we can choose goodness. That speaker
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13:39.412could have chose, man, I want to go to the party school, and that could
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13:43.744have led him down a really bad path in life. But so,
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13:47.406so yeah, so you said the difference between truth and good,
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13:51.517right? So what is truth worth if you don't
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13:54.954apply it, right? If to know what is true but
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13:58.568not allow it to, uh, help you
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14:01.459make decisions in life, then, then it's not worth anything,
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14:05.667right? It's the same thing with good. So I,
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14:10.131I believe what we treat good as a measurement of,
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14:14.385um, how we're doing, right? Or, or it's in,
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14:18.013in the Bible, I think a lot of times it's a measurement
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14:21.208of obedience. And so that's what you were saying,
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14:24.627you know, in the garden they had the option, right? Um,
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14:28.320it would have been good if they would have obeyed God's command.
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14:31.579Yeah, don't eat from it. Yeah. So I think of, I think of like in
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14:34.822business, like, how are we doing this month? We doing good or are we doing
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14:39.024bad, right? Yeah. So are you doing,
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14:43.208are you doing good? And that takes effort. It takes
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14:46.863effort to do good in business. It takes effort to do good in anything
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14:48.835that you do. Right. And so,
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14:53.467um, I, I think, and that's what I was saying last podcast,
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14:57.122like the kindness is more of the action, the acting out the goodness.
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15:00.681It's the, it's the, uh, evidence and maybe the proof
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15:04.015of goodness. Uh, goodness is a little bit deeper.
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15:07.830It's a little, it's, it's who you are. Um, and, and it's
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15:10.527more of a, standard,
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15:14.398right? A way of life. And so,
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15:19.392but like I said, it's also that just maintaining obedience
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15:23.311and being steadfast and trying to
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15:27.406do good. Like a lot of times in business,
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15:31.341just to kind of keep, you know, keep that thought alive
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15:35.821is if we don't do what we need to do in
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15:40.087the times that we need to do it, eventually that turns
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15:42.928into hardship, financial hardship.
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15:46.946And so not always does it rely on that because
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15:50.330there's times that it doesn't matter how much effort I put forth,
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15:56.002we still struggle. But do all that you
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15:59.795can, right? Do all that you can and take it as far as you
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16:04.558possibly can in being obedient and trust
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16:08.680God. With the rest of it? I think goodness biblically is, uh,
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16:12.293like moral uprightness, moral, uh,
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16:17.303uh, excellence. It's doing what is right, doing what is
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16:21.413true according to God's character, right? So I think
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16:24.127a substitute word is, is almost righteousness,
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16:28.607right? Um, yeah, living out righteousness.
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16:32.508And now we know as Christians that our righteousness,
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16:36.955uh, is, is not our own. It's an alien righteousness that comes from
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16:40.565the outside, right? We are only right because God declares us
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16:44.864right, because Jesus gives us his righteousness through
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16:49.724faith, right? And so we are positionally
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16:54.152before God, we are declared as if he is the judge. He declares you are
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16:57.152righteous, you are perfect. We are not,
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17:00.087um, but that has been wiped clean,
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17:04.259right? But we are called in our sanctification to
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17:08.303grow in righteousness or goodness, right? And to grow
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17:12.605in doing the right thing. So I think there ought to be a movement,
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17:17.420as in all of these, right? A movement from immaturity to maturity. Yeah. A movement
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17:20.405from less righteous to more righteous in how we,
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17:24.241how we conduct our business and how we treat our wives and how we raise
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17:28.735our kids and how we are community members, how we deal with money. All these—
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17:32.074there's so many areas. This is why I was trying to think of goodness It's
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17:37.094like goodness is this massive umbrella over 1,000
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17:40.461different areas, and you can— we could, we could— and we, we dive
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17:44.038into— we use that word in so many ways. All right, I mean, yeah,
17:44.054 -->
17:47.277I know, we, we could dive into each one of those. What is it like?
17:47.518 -->
17:51.591What does it mean as a Christian to exercise goodness or practice goodness
17:52.091 -->
17:54.863or be good in business, in fatherhood,
17:55.120 -->
17:58.954in whatever? Like, we could just spend Right. Yeah. And I've got
17:59.454 -->
18:01.466some. I've got some here in a minute. We're going to put you all on
18:01.966 -->
18:05.080the spot of what is right and good in this
18:05.113 -->
18:08.689situation. So you can look forward
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18:12.318to that, listener. I think one of the key verses— and you read
18:12.818 -->
18:16.348it, y'all, y'all got some others queued up, I can tell— but Ephesians 5,
18:17.269 -->
18:23.521where you went last episode. So I'm
18:23.537 -->
18:27.245going to start in verse 6. He says— and
18:27.745 -->
18:31.307the key verse is in really verse like 10, 9 and 10— but
18:31.323 -->
18:34.999he says, let no one deceive you with empty words,
18:35.416 -->
18:39.349for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons
18:39.849 -->
18:43.074of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them,
18:43.459 -->
18:47.617for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in
18:48.117 -->
18:51.964the Lord. Walk as children of light. For the fruit of light
18:52.464 -->
18:55.618is found in all that is good and right and
18:55.650 -->
18:59.336true, and try to discern what is pleasing to
18:59.836 -->
19:03.903the Lord. So there's this connection between a lot of different words— light,
19:04.688 -->
19:07.605uh, good, right, true.
19:09.095 -->
19:12.204All of those are synonyms in this passage,
19:12.316 -->
19:15.729right? And so I think, I think that helps us understand
19:16.147 -->
19:19.290what is goodness? It's walking in the light.
19:19.531 -->
19:22.658Yeah, it is doing, uh, living according
19:22.690 -->
19:26.418to the truth. It's righteously living. It's righteously living.
19:26.548 -->
19:30.318It's doing what is right in any given circumstance. That is
19:30.448 -->
19:33.906what is good, and that is defined by God,
19:33.922 -->
19:37.462right? So I mean, this is— we don't need to get
19:37.962 -->
19:42.040into all of this, but we live in a subjective morality
19:42.140 -->
19:45.302world. Right, where things are just
19:45.641 -->
19:48.739good or right based on our own opinions and
19:49.239 -->
19:53.794our own sense of morality, right? And so I
19:54.294 -->
19:57.940love watching like people go on college campuses and debate
19:58.936 -->
20:02.276college kids about abortion or about whatever issue,
20:03.052 -->
20:07.793like the Lindsay Clancy trial, and like, and inevitably
20:08.213 -->
20:11.752they will make a moral statement about something But that's
20:12.252 -->
20:15.759not— they'll say, a college student who's not a believer, yeah, but that's
20:16.259 -->
20:19.911not good, or that's not right. And it's so easy as a Christian to
20:20.411 -->
20:23.389go, okay, by what standard? What do you mean?
20:23.853 -->
20:27.828Why is that wrong? And they'll go, well, it just is. It's not
20:27.860 -->
20:31.323right to treat somebody like that. It's not right to kick somebody out of
20:31.371 -->
20:35.394your country. It's not right to force a woman to have
20:35.894 -->
20:39.321a child that she didn't want to have. It's not right. And it's so simple
20:39.821 -->
20:43.936to go, By what standard? What do you mean? How do you measure whether something
20:44.032 -->
20:47.221is right or true or good? Because now you're saying
20:48.070 -->
20:50.891it's not right for us to force her to have this baby, but what about
20:51.179 -->
20:55.234the rightness of killing that baby, right? And so it, it quickly
20:55.266 -->
20:58.567puts them on the defensive and the shaky ground
20:59.067 -->
21:02.701of like, how are we defining what is good and what is right?
21:03.118 -->
21:06.563But I think, I think that example can also help in our lives of whenever
21:07.063 -->
21:11.034we're, we're in the same— not the same situation, same argument, maybe something similar or
21:11.534 -->
21:14.433different, but we start to say, you know, well, that's not right.
21:14.497 -->
21:18.200That's not okay. We got to ask ourselves based on what?
21:18.280 -->
21:21.678Is it based on my gain, for my good
21:21.710 -->
21:25.189or for, you know, the well-being of my family? Or is it no,
21:26.038 -->
21:29.934this is— that's actually not what God's scripture says. You know, is what I'm
21:29.982 -->
21:33.797saying or claiming to be good or right based in scripture? So yeah,
21:33.893 -->
21:37.676those videos, right, we can obviously, you know, we can see how the lack
21:38.176 -->
21:41.011of God, right? We can be hypocritical. We can be very hypocritical and we can
21:41.027 -->
21:44.314do the same thing with a different scenario maybe, But we
21:44.780 -->
21:47.302ultimately, it's like, well, this is good for my family. Well, is it? Is it
21:47.350 -->
21:50.900really? Because what's good for your family is that you follow the Lord your God
21:51.400 -->
21:54.610with all your heart. You can elevate that above whatever the
21:55.110 -->
21:58.224scripture says. So we really, uh, I think those videos can teach us a lot
21:58.273 -->
22:02.047though, you know, seeing those, you know, and what sometimes they're
22:02.547 -->
22:05.902meant to be, you know, rage bait, you know, get people mad or, or be
22:06.402 -->
22:10.030controversial. That's the whole purpose of them. And but there's something deeper
22:10.079 -->
22:13.788to learn from that is what are you basing your good on? It's yourself.
22:13.933 -->
22:17.386It's your mankind. And I think, again, we're just hypocritical
22:17.886 -->
22:19.570of that. So we can learn from that as well. I like the way it
22:20.070 -->
22:23.954finishes in verse 10 because he says, and try to discern what is pleasing
22:23.986 -->
22:27.680to the Lord. So, so I think that's where my mind
22:28.180 -->
22:31.775goes with all of this about goodness is, is actually discernment.
22:32.016 -->
22:35.148Yeah. Because discerning what
22:35.648 -->
22:39.560is good is a, is a skill, is a, a mature,
22:40.041 -->
22:43.585uh, thing, right? And so, um, and then
22:43.970 -->
22:46.697even what is pleasing to the Lord. Yeah,
22:47.098 -->
22:50.546goodness is that which pleases the Lord. Yeah, that's another
22:51.046 -->
22:53.882way we could define it. Well, it goes on in verse 15,
22:54.539 -->
22:57.891um, skip ahead. Yeah, wisdom. Yeah, it says,
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23:01.340be very careful then how you live, not as unwise but wise,
23:01.933 -->
23:05.445making the most of every opportunity because the days are evil.
23:05.622 -->
23:09.297Therefore, do not be foolish, but understand—
23:09.716 -->
23:13.004there it is— but understand what the Lord's will is.
23:13.503 -->
23:16.992So it takes an understanding, right? So to be able to
23:17.492 -->
23:20.983know what God's
23:21.032 -->
23:23.727stance is on these sensitive topics,
23:24.163 -->
23:28.131we have to have an understanding of what God's will is, and the only way
23:28.195 -->
23:31.405we can really do that is to cultivate a relationship with him through his
23:31.599 -->
23:35.383Word. And what did Jesus say? Jesus said,
23:35.544 -->
23:39.152I am the bread of life. I am— this is— yeah,
23:39.232 -->
23:42.664this is the blood, my blood.
23:42.841 -->
23:46.305You know, take it and drink. Like, he's— Jesus is over
23:46.805 -->
23:51.132and over and over again telling us to consume him. What does that mean?
23:51.581 -->
23:55.190To consume, to consume Jesus and
23:55.690 -->
23:58.477his teachings and understanding, you know,
23:58.558 -->
24:02.996daily, moment by moment, and really trying to understand How
24:03.124 -->
24:06.949God, how Jesus dealt with situations
24:07.126 -->
24:11.223in his day. Perfect situation
24:11.723 -->
24:15.071we talked about last podcast was the what Samaritan? The Good
24:15.119 -->
24:17.937Samaritan. You know, Jesus called him good. Why?
24:18.565 -->
24:23.834And we, you know, we went through that. But what's the question when— how
24:23.963 -->
24:27.847is it like, what is the biggest commandment? He calls him good teacher. Yeah,
24:27.928 -->
24:29.941good teacher. He said, how do you— what is good? Yeah, what is good?
24:30.055 -->
24:31.646God, I was going to look that up here in a little while. No,
24:31.662 -->
24:35.413it's good. Uh, it's good,
24:35.605 -->
24:39.035it's good now. But, uh, yeah,
24:39.115 -->
24:42.706to, to, to really try to divide and,
24:42.802 -->
24:46.329and discern and have an understanding and, and have
24:46.829 -->
24:50.641a good, um, a compass in these sensitive
24:51.395 -->
24:54.360issues that aren't verbatim, verbatim,
24:54.745 -->
24:58.175uh, explained in the Bible, we have to have an
24:58.272 -->
25:01.702understanding of God's will. And, and what I was saying
25:01.894 -->
25:05.052to begin with is the only way we can do that is to have his
25:05.552 -->
25:09.619Spirit within us. So at first, then all really we have to do is
25:09.827 -->
25:13.721believe and dive into it, and God gives us his Spirit,
25:13.913 -->
25:17.663and when we read his Word, his Spirit then gives us the ability to
25:17.679 -->
25:21.012understand what it's saying and what his
25:21.124 -->
25:24.937nature is, and then that ultimately— and Proverbs
25:24.985 -->
25:28.222is slap full of it. Start there. Just start there and really try to
25:28.238 -->
25:32.019dig into it and try to understand God's
25:32.519 -->
25:36.209precepts and decrees. And have a desire,
25:36.675 -->
25:40.032set out to fulfill that desire to know more about God.
25:40.932 -->
25:43.984So I think totally I agree,
25:44.145 -->
25:47.358and I think the twist on just from the beginning of this
25:47.858 -->
25:51.872root word good can really be like, you know, think about the non-believer,
25:52.097 -->
25:54.957the average American maybe at this point,
25:55.615 -->
25:59.134but they think of good and goodness, right, in terms,
25:59.150 -->
26:03.015you know, like that we were talking about biblical goodness, goodness that's
26:03.159 -->
26:06.749true and from God, right? And, uh, I think that
26:06.781 -->
26:10.034the argument or the twist here is that why does
26:10.066 -->
26:13.399it matter to please a fictional God being
26:13.431 -->
26:16.812someone who doesn't believe, right? Or, you know, that's, you know, that, yeah, the Bible's
26:17.312 -->
26:20.802a— it's a list of good rules, you know, good rules, but it's— this
26:21.302 -->
26:23.958is what's good for society or my family. Like that, there's a twist there,
26:24.007 -->
26:27.003right? It's like this is what's really good, and there's a conflict, there's a battle
26:27.051 -->
26:30.455there. And I think we really need to define what— okay, if we're going to
26:30.487 -->
26:34.004say this is goodness, is God's Word, God's truth, being in the light, all these
26:34.101 -->
26:37.714things, righteousness, why do we need these things? And I think
26:38.214 -->
26:41.970of, you know, what's the opposite? It's evil. You read it. The days are evil,
26:42.050 -->
26:47.463right? And I look at Romans
12:17.
26:47.511 -->
26:50.883It says, do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what
26:51.383 -->
26:54.641is right in the eyes of everyone, right? Which is tricky,
26:54.753 -->
26:58.251which is hard when especially when we come with some of these modern questions
26:58.283 -->
27:01.780and ethical moral things, but you scroll down to verse 21,
27:01.893 -->
27:05.342the last verse here. Romans chapter 12 is
27:05.842 -->
27:09.145a great, great chapter, but I'm not going to read it all
27:09.273 -->
27:12.386just for the sake of right now, but 21 says, do not be overcome
27:12.482 -->
27:15.659by evil, but overcome evil by doing good
27:15.835 -->
27:19.044with good, right? So it's like to me there's the contrast.
27:19.124 -->
27:21.996Like here's one side, and here's the other, and like, and if we want to
27:22.092 -->
27:25.854uphold goodness, then We have to reject, rebuke evilness,
27:26.031 -->
27:29.652right? And it's a choice. The tree of knowledge of good and
27:29.732 -->
27:33.434evil, right? 2 opposites, right? So if
27:33.934 -->
27:37.211we want to partake in Jesus and his goodness and
27:37.711 -->
27:40.071like the salvation that he gives us, right, we have to, we have to realize
27:40.168 -->
27:43.529what's evil. And what's evil is our own desires, our own fleshly
27:44.849 -->
27:48.068desires or gain or whatever, right? What's good for
27:48.568 -->
27:51.610me, you know, in worldly aspects, that's, that's what's evil.
27:51.771 -->
27:55.101Yeah. And because that's selfishness, that's, that's going to lead me down
27:55.601 -->
27:58.907my own path, not the path that God wants me to pursue.
27:59.004 -->
28:02.628So I think we really got to talking about different scenarios,
28:02.676 -->
28:06.114right? Like, okay, what, what is the evil trap here and what is
28:06.387 -->
28:09.810the good, the good path? You know, maybe the
28:10.310 -->
28:13.431good path's harder sometimes. A lot of times it is harder to go down that
28:13.479 -->
28:17.165good path, but the alternative is evilness.
28:17.294 -->
28:20.937It's going to lead you to sin, separation from the Father, right down a dark
28:21.437 -->
28:25.362path. And I know many people, many testimonies that would and say, yeah, I've lived
28:25.426 -->
28:28.875the evil life and it's not good. You know, maybe I
28:29.375 -->
28:32.853had an instant of pleasure or goodness, right, like that worldly
28:32.885 -->
28:36.205goodness, but that fleeted and that was away the next
28:36.237 -->
28:39.381morning, and all the shame and the guilt or whatever, you know, you name it,
28:39.606 -->
28:43.360that didn't— what I thought was good, you know, the money, the wealth,
28:43.472 -->
28:46.808the prosperity, like all that, it really wasn't good,
28:47.145 -->
28:50.851right? It wasn't everlasting, and I think that's what we can see in God's goodness
28:51.351 -->
28:54.698is that it's It's everlasting. It's not just, oh man, I had a
28:55.198 -->
28:58.384good day and I got what I wanted, and man, I got that bonus at
28:58.448 -->
29:01.911work or whatever. You know, it's— no, it's goodness is something to have.
29:02.456 -->
29:07.168God's goodness is something so much deeper, grander, and rewarding
29:07.264 -->
29:10.454too, because it's not something that we produce. It's something
29:10.486 -->
29:13.820that we cling to. God's already, you know, defined what is
29:13.916 -->
29:17.234good. So the twist that the world gives—
29:17.734 -->
29:20.583I mean, that's kind of the answer. Question you asked,
29:21.385 -->
29:25.118you know, what is the twist? The world says take the liberty
29:25.535 -->
29:29.284of free choice and decide what is good for yourself,
29:29.637 -->
29:32.889right? And God says you don't
29:32.905 -->
29:36.495have to take on that burden. I've already established this. This is
29:36.671 -->
29:40.484who I am. Yeah, learn who I am and then you'll know what's
29:40.984 -->
29:43.577good. It's already established. It's already established. We don't have to work for it,
29:43.737 -->
29:46.669and that's the, um, we don't have to redefine it.
29:46.923 -->
29:50.268We don't have to redefine it. And that's the repent. You know,
29:50.736 -->
29:54.464we need to repent here whenever we are taking the liberty to
29:56.467 -->
30:00.860name what is good versus not
30:00.989 -->
30:04.754being in line with what God says. His word says it's good. There's a saying
30:05.028 -->
30:08.874in East Texas. We describe certain people as good old
30:08.987 -->
30:12.352boys. Good old boys. What's a good old boy? Yeah. Yeah. Are you
30:12.419 -->
30:15.583asking? Yeah. I think of like a— I'll let
30:16.083 -->
30:18.873you take it. He's gonna do what he says he's gonna do. Okay. He's a
30:18.889 -->
30:22.340man of his word. A man of his word. That's godly. Yeah. Um, he's a
30:22.840 -->
30:26.352good old boy. If I'm in a bind and I call him,
30:26.657 -->
30:30.429he's gonna come through. Okay. He's dependable. He's dependable. Okay. Yeah.
30:30.990 -->
30:34.489Um, he's a good old boy. He's not gonna bother
30:34.521 -->
30:37.731anybody unless somebody comes bothering him.
30:37.988 -->
30:41.568Okay. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I know that's a lot of slang. He's independent.
30:41.616 -->
30:44.185He's independent. Um, yeah,
30:44.988 -->
30:48.007somebody that I wouldn't mind being around,
30:48.344 -->
30:51.989you know, and having a conversation with. Somebody that I might generally— yeah,
30:52.181 -->
30:55.264respected. Yeah, yeah, somebody I may check up on every once
30:55.764 -->
30:59.343in a while. Yeah. Um, good old boys in East Texas
30:59.843 -->
31:02.265are like, you know, salt of the earth kind of people.
31:03.100 -->
31:06.628Um, just Hard worker. Yeah,
31:06.644 -->
31:09.769blue collar. Yeah, blue collar. Yeah, hard worker. Uh,
31:10.234 -->
31:14.080you know, probably provides for his family but probably has some wild
31:14.580 -->
31:17.926oats, or, you know, whatever that saying is. Like, probably lives a
31:18.426 -->
31:21.547little loose and fast on some morals, but, but like,
31:21.707 -->
31:24.992generally, for the most part, is a good old boy. I think there's a
31:25.057 -->
31:28.325lot of— we got a lot of— that's why it's a phrase.
31:28.582 -->
31:32.508Um, there's a— there's some like dotted
31:33.008 -->
31:36.804line connection between that and Christianity. It's not the same
31:36.836 -->
31:40.826thing, right? But in our culture where Christianity
31:40.923 -->
31:44.609has been maybe the dominant influence
31:45.109 -->
31:48.359for a significant amount of time, there's some of those
31:48.392 -->
31:52.318things are still valued. Good old boys aren't necessarily
31:52.382 -->
31:56.005Christians. In fact, many of them are not. They aren't
31:56.505 -->
32:00.557in church. They aren't leading their family. They may not even still
32:01.057 -->
32:04.393be with their family, but they're hard workers, they're good community members.
32:04.987 -->
32:08.277Their nature, their nature is good. If to,
32:08.437 -->
32:12.273like you said, in comparison of, in view, full view of how the
32:12.773 -->
32:15.948world is, they're not just, uh, lousy rednecks,
32:15.980 -->
32:18.997right? Like, they're a good old boy. Like, you know, responsible,
32:19.093 -->
32:22.897responsible for the most part. Yeah, good employee. I think there's a—
32:23.397 -->
32:27.470so maybe one of the aspects I want us to think about is a
32:27.518 -->
32:31.462lot of the good old boys do what's right on the outside,
32:31.622 -->
32:34.075right? There's a veneer of goodness,
32:35.470 -->
32:38.500but the heart is not always in the right spot.
32:38.596 -->
32:41.690And so I think that that's one of the aspects of goodness maybe we have
32:41.722 -->
32:45.249to consider is, um, what does Jesus
32:45.749 -->
32:48.904say? Uh, you're like whitewashed tombs,
32:49.401 -->
32:53.329right? You're clean on the outside, it's a facade, but you're—
32:53.489 -->
32:57.737there's death on the inside. You're— you've cleaned the outside
32:58.237 -->
33:02.433of the glass, but the inside is dirty. And so how
33:02.481 -->
33:05.943do we— or how is goodness sometimes
33:06.087 -->
33:09.517just on display on the outside but not
33:09.597 -->
33:13.220actually there on the inside? Does that make sense? Yeah, no, definitely. What,
33:14.005 -->
33:17.403um, do we sometimes do what is good but
33:17.451 -->
33:20.672for the wrong reason, and why is that not good? Yeah,
33:20.929 -->
33:24.166I think a lot of times there's, there's some selfish gain to achieve,
33:24.182 -->
33:28.450right? Like, I'm gonna do these good things that we can I'm not gonna list
33:28.950 -->
33:32.465them by name, but there's so many, uh, like nonprofit organizations, there's so
33:32.481 -->
33:35.677many churches, there's so many, uh, charities that
33:36.177 -->
33:39.596do all this really good thing, good stuff, right? Um,
33:39.612 -->
33:43.209but also they have a CEO making a million dollars. They have, you know,
33:43.225 -->
33:47.144there's misappropriating funds because it's gonna, it's gonna
33:47.644 -->
33:50.677benefit them. And, and I'm not trying to dive into all that. I don't know
33:50.693 -->
33:54.351everything. Yeah, but you don't have a list over there? I mean, I can
33:54.367 -->
33:57.661pull one out. Yeah, that is Romans, Micah, Ephesians.
33:58.516 -->
34:02.616So that reflects— they do what he thinks. The whitewashed
34:03.116 -->
34:06.681tombs. Yes. Maybe a little bit more subtle,
34:08.942 -->
34:12.451less obvious. Something that I think that,
34:12.629 -->
34:16.025that, that we— that's common amongst
34:16.525 -->
34:18.649us, especially in, like you said, our society.
34:21.399 -->
34:25.550It is a privilege to participate in society,
34:25.887 -->
34:29.798and we, I think we inherently know that. And so, okay, I need to maintain
34:29.846 -->
34:33.356a driver's license. I don't need to have, I don't
34:33.856 -->
34:37.347need to have all, you know, speeding tickets, DWIs, or whatever,
34:37.427 -->
34:40.488you know, I need to mind my P's and Q's. Yeah, you know, there's some
34:40.988 -->
34:44.559things for me to be able to participate, and I need,
34:44.639 -->
34:51.013I know, like you said, I think there's inherent knowledge in also
34:51.256 -->
34:54.874in society, you know, they're in it. This is
34:54.987 -->
34:58.315biblical to take care of your family, to provide
34:58.815 -->
35:01.327and do well. Okay, so I've got to hold down a job. So I need,
35:01.600 -->
35:04.418I need to be able to drive. I need to have a job. I need
35:04.918 -->
35:07.183to be responsible. I need to show up. I need to be a man of
35:07.199 -->
35:10.892my word, you know. And so there's these, you know, we can really
35:11.714 -->
35:15.585do all that we can just for still for selfish reasons,
35:16.089 -->
35:19.840still to your point. I mean, it's the same example, but it's maybe
35:20.340 -->
35:22.181a little bit more subtle, a little bit more, you know,
35:23.142 -->
35:26.653accepted amongst us. But you said
35:27.153 -->
35:29.843a lot of these— the difference between those 2 is that,
35:31.237 -->
35:35.181like, the Pharisees knowingly trying to preserve
35:35.681 -->
35:38.851their way of life and not give up their power.
35:39.252 -->
35:42.875When I'm talking— when I'm thinking of a good old boy, like, this dude probably
35:42.923 -->
35:46.052don't have that much, like, He's just a, you know,
35:46.534 -->
35:50.533regular run-of-the-mill, not, not very flashy or shiny,
35:50.629 -->
35:53.584didn't have all the cool stuff, fairly humble,
35:54.403 -->
35:58.611uh, setting in my mind, right? Um, so yeah,
35:58.659 -->
36:02.739how can I maintain a position in society
36:03.076 -->
36:06.513and, and provide for my family? And I know that sounds
36:06.545 -->
36:10.175twisted, like, oh, these are good things. It's good to provide for your family.
36:10.239 -->
36:13.354It's good to Yeah, for sure, to be a productive member.
36:13.450 -->
36:16.902And so, but is that the— you're making it the
36:17.402 -->
36:20.964thing, or you don't— you just simply don't know or have been
36:21.060 -->
36:24.368presented God's word or understand
36:24.868 -->
36:28.638the gospel, right? Because there's plenty of those people around us too that need
36:29.138 -->
36:32.941to be reached, that would— that are ready. Their soul is ready to receive God's
36:33.441 -->
36:36.810word. Um, and, and we— that's, you know,
36:37.757 -->
36:41.222Christian men, that's our job to reach those people. I've got
36:41.722 -->
36:45.201a heart for these guys. I really do. Like, this is a— I
36:45.217 -->
36:49.100believe that this is a ministry that God has called on my life
36:49.308 -->
36:52.758and to, um, to seek these
36:52.918 -->
36:56.624types of people out and to go out of my way to
36:57.124 -->
37:00.443be kind, go out of my way to be good, and to truly show them
37:00.555 -->
37:04.736what true godly love is and
37:04.881 -->
37:08.415how can you really live
37:08.447 -->
37:12.480this out, right? And so I've done— I'm
37:12.980 -->
37:16.969not saying I'm perfect in this, but I really am trying to make an effort
37:17.387 -->
37:20.590in this calling, this side of my life,
37:21.899 -->
37:26.520to use my business as an avenue for people to
37:27.312 -->
37:27.894really see.
37:30.234 -->
37:33.745To present that. Yeah. Yeah. I got some
37:34.948 -->
37:38.316situational ethics. All right. Talk about goodness.
37:38.396 -->
37:42.485What is— what does it look like to exercise this?
37:42.710 -->
37:45.981Y'all may have more scripture we can jump to anytime. I don't know.
37:46.254 -->
37:49.445Ask a question. Okay, let's go. Thinking about telling the truth,
37:50.022 -->
37:53.855right? We would agree that telling the truth is good.
37:54.224 -->
37:57.751Good, right? That's right. It's what we should
37:57.816 -->
38:01.648do. Okay, so you're at work. You make a mistake,
38:02.128 -->
38:05.398do you admit it or do you just quietly
38:05.975 -->
38:08.876fix it? These are kind of gonna have to be rapid fire because I got
38:09.376 -->
38:12.787a bunch of them. It depends on the mistake. Okay. Did you
38:13.287 -->
38:16.265accidentally book the wrong flights or did you spend, you know, did you spend a
38:16.765 -->
38:18.749lot of money on accident or, you know, I don't know. I'm trying to think
38:19.249 -->
38:21.746of an example, but it depends to me. It depends.
38:21.939 -->
38:25.481Okay. Yeah. Um, a whole lot of adult diapers
38:25.981 -->
38:29.183in this conversation. My first reaction
38:29.215 -->
38:32.988is Cover your tracks, right? That's my, that's my first initial
38:33.004 -->
38:36.214thought. But then it's like, like I said, I have to allow God's
38:36.714 -->
38:39.939Spirit to take, take hold and to shake me here sometimes.
38:40.003 -->
38:43.423Better to tell the truth, always maybe have a consequence or
38:43.923 -->
38:47.196a little bit harder, or is it better to just in business fix
38:47.696 -->
38:50.776it? And this is the way I run my life. I try to in business,
38:51.129 -->
38:53.955your best loss is your first loss.
38:54.452 -->
38:57.904So don't, don't keep on going. Quit throwing money at
38:58.404 -->
39:01.786something that's like And I've learned this the hard way. And this is
39:01.883 -->
39:05.667the way that, you know, be truthful because it's going to— yeah,
39:05.972 -->
39:09.517it may— you may have made a mistake or whatever it may be.
39:09.597 -->
39:13.141And a lot of times it's something innocent. Honest, right? And honest.
39:13.269 -->
39:15.370And then, but we're like, oh, I'm going to get in trouble. And then we
39:15.870 -->
39:18.979create a lie. Like, just come forth with
39:19.479 -->
39:23.213the truth to begin with. And yeah, there may be a cost. There may be
39:23.713 -->
39:26.420something that it costs you. But before you move on, I got an example,
39:26.436 -->
39:29.670actually. I don't know if I— I don't think I told you. I messed up.
39:30.170 -->
39:34.570You're confessing. I'm confessing right now. Okay. Um, but I fixed it. So I
39:35.070 -->
39:38.230took the seniors, a senior trip, right? We went to Slitterbahn. Oh my goodness.
39:38.730 -->
39:41.690Here we go. And it was supposed to be for the next Thursday. I mean,
39:42.190 -->
39:45.030I booked them on Wednesday and I picked the third, like the next day on
39:45.530 -->
39:49.070accident. And I was like, spent, you know, $300 or whatever on tickets. I'm like,
39:49.570 -->
39:53.510oh crap. And couldn't get, I was emailing 5 people trying to
39:54.010 -->
39:56.490call. And if you, if you mess up at Slitterbahn, just don't even try to
39:56.990 -->
40:00.301call because they don't answer. Uh, but Eventually I got
40:00.801 -->
40:03.621a hold of someone on email and they fixed it. Okay, so I didn't tell
40:04.121 -->
40:05.723you because I was worried. I was like, I was making the lie like,
40:05.964 -->
40:08.177oh, Brian's gonna be mad at me. I just messed up and then we can't
40:08.677 -->
40:12.124take the kids on a senior trip. Okay, another one in truth-telling.
40:12.220 -->
40:15.140Your friend asks you your,
40:15.525 -->
40:19.230like, your opinion about something in their life, either how they're
40:19.730 -->
40:23.562living or a decision they made or whatever, but you know that the honest
40:24.062 -->
40:27.686answer is gonna hurt them. Yeah. You know, what is, what is good?
40:27.798 -->
40:30.832What is right? Do I look fat in this dress? Sure, you could
40:30.848 -->
40:34.074take it that way. Yeah, this is where
40:34.524 -->
40:38.103your character comes in, right? And how
40:38.152 -->
40:42.052well do you know this person, for one? So it is a little bit circumstantial,
40:42.165 -->
40:45.086but say it's a— did you say it was a good friend? Yeah, good friend.
40:45.134 -->
40:48.521Good friend. Ask your opinion about something in their life. I'm going to
40:48.569 -->
40:51.860be truthful, but I'm going to deliver it in a kind
40:52.360 -->
40:56.790way. In a kind way, right? Yeah. And actually,
40:57.290 -->
41:00.050I think, yes, be truthful. And I would say I deliver it in a sly
41:00.550 -->
41:04.290way. Sly way? Sly, just kind of like, I don't want to
41:04.790 -->
41:08.370be too brash. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Character comes into play here.
41:08.870 -->
41:13.410Carefully. Yeah. You've got to present the answer. Maybe playfully be honest.
41:13.910 -->
41:16.590Yeah, that's a good way to do it. Playfully. Yeah. But at the same time,
41:17.090 -->
41:20.070be serious too. Say, hey, and then you've got to be intentional.
41:20.310 -->
41:23.862Like, okay, now I've got to kind of go into some depth
41:23.910 -->
41:27.345here, and, and it doesn't need to end with that question and
41:27.441 -->
41:31.213or that response. It needs to go a little bit deeper. Yeah. What about,
41:31.293 -->
41:34.615um, you accidentally get, uh, too much change back at a store?
41:34.695 -->
41:37.729I don't know if y'all use cash or not, but yeah, a store makes a
41:38.229 -->
41:41.773mistake and, and yeah, you know, yeah, you return it. Do you go return it,
41:41.805 -->
41:44.614or do y'all— what's the right thing to do?
41:44.951 -->
41:48.065Debbie called me the other day. I'm gonna— and, and she was like,
41:48.081 -->
41:51.210hey, this bill on, uh, changing my
41:51.434 -->
41:54.628oil was, um, way less than what
41:54.660 -->
41:57.372I thought it was. I was— she told me that. I was like, yeah,
41:57.388 -->
42:00.902that's not right, because they replaced their cabin air filter and all the
42:00.982 -->
42:04.432other filters. I was like, it should have been $150, and it was— it
42:04.932 -->
42:08.059should have been $350. It was only $100. And so I'm like,
42:08.700 -->
42:12.134something's wrong here. I was like, read you— read
42:12.634 -->
42:15.472me your, uh, receipt to me. And then she was like, it was just oil
42:15.584 -->
42:18.790change. Like, yeah, they didn't change you for none
42:19.290 -->
42:21.450of the filters. She was like, okay, well, what do I do? I've already drove
42:21.950 -->
42:24.890off. I was like, baby, you gotta turn around. Like, you gotta go. They made
42:25.390 -->
42:28.850a mistake. And here's the deal, I own a business, and if I rendered a
42:29.350 -->
42:32.780service and forgot to,
42:32.990 -->
42:36.510uh, this is treat your, you know, treat your neighbor, you know,
42:37.010 -->
42:38.370I think you want to be treated— that is the good thing to do.
42:38.870 -->
42:40.850That's the right thing to do. I want them to come back and pay me
42:41.350 -->
42:43.650if I forgot to charge them for something. I have not personally been on the
42:44.150 -->
42:47.380other end of that. But so, but I know what's right. But I know that
42:47.412 -->
42:50.526there's other people that would say like, oh, they're mistaken. This is God's
42:51.026 -->
42:54.490favor in my life today. This is— I saved $100. I saved $200.
42:54.554 -->
42:57.331Yeah. Yeah. So let's move on.
42:58.487 -->
43:02.676This one happens pretty frequently. When is something gossip
43:02.740 -->
43:06.031versus like sharing like a prayer
43:06.531 -->
43:10.493request or like, you know, like caring for somebody
43:10.525 -->
43:13.028within a group, right? So,
43:13.477 -->
43:17.356um, you know, like, when does a prayer request become
43:17.661 -->
43:20.963gossip? Is it ever appropriate to share somebody else's
43:21.172 -->
43:24.554struggle with people that are not that
43:25.054 -->
43:28.529person? What's right in that situation? Maybe you need counsel, maybe you
43:28.562 -->
43:31.607need understanding. Yeah. Is that then appropriate
43:32.107 -->
43:35.855to like, hey, I'm going to come talk to you about this situation because I
43:36.355 -->
43:39.622need to know what to do? Or is that wrong? We're breaking confidentiality.
43:39.686 -->
43:42.748What's good? What's right? I hate to say it because you said a while ago,
43:42.812 -->
43:46.280but it depends. It I hope you start every answer
43:46.780 -->
43:49.900with, it depends. It depends. If you— I mean, if your, if your buddy is
43:50.400 -->
43:53.780struggling with— and, um, yeah,
43:54.280 -->
43:56.040he's just really been down in the dumps, you know, I would, you know,
43:56.540 -->
43:59.360let's just pray. Let's lift him up in prayer this morning. Pray over, you know,
43:59.860 -->
44:03.340my buddy. But if it's your buddy that's— man, he's going through it. He just
44:03.840 -->
44:06.520cheated on his wife. You just want to tell somebody that it's a big gossip.
44:07.020 -->
44:09.080It's a big story and no one else knows and you're the only one he
44:09.580 -->
44:12.244confided in, you, you know, and like, this is serious, then it's like No,
44:12.309 -->
44:15.385that— he confided in you. You don't need to— you can say like, hey,
44:15.417 -->
44:18.300I have a friend, but you don't have to mention his name, you know.
44:18.380 -->
44:21.508And then also be like, well, don't be like, I got a
44:22.008 -->
44:25.921friend and man, he is just messing up. He was sleeping around with these girls,
44:26.196 -->
44:30.024other women. And no, that becomes gossip. It's how you present it, I think.
44:31.073 -->
44:35.769Definitely depends on the situation, you know, how severe the
44:35.850 -->
44:39.214situation are they going through, but also how you present it of
44:39.714 -->
44:43.116like, are you I don't know, bragging. I think
44:43.261 -->
44:46.518that if we considered gossip just mentioning people being in
44:46.534 -->
44:50.257the wrong when they're not in the room, then this book is slap
44:50.757 -->
44:54.205full— sorry, almost slap full of gossip, if that's the way we define it.
44:54.750 -->
44:58.168So we've got to be careful here, though, because when I,
44:58.329 -->
45:02.052when I walk into a room and somebody is talking about somebody and they're asking
45:02.552 -->
45:06.834me opinions of things like, what is their intention? Are they trying to actually understand
45:07.334 -->
45:10.910why somebody is doing what they're doing? Are they trying to get an understanding of
45:11.342 -->
45:14.789right and wrong here, or are we just talking about somebody for sport?
45:15.334 -->
45:18.460You know, you know, in, in when you leave that room and go to the
45:18.960 -->
45:22.131next room, are you still talking about that same person? Like, are you spreading that
45:22.227 -->
45:25.465wildfire? I mean, that is the assassination of character.
45:25.673 -->
45:29.424Yeah, right. And so we've got to be careful here. So any time
45:29.456 -->
45:33.256that I'm, I'm going to turn it into a, a time
45:33.384 -->
45:36.846to preach and you're going to quit talking about people in front of me after,
45:37.135 -->
45:40.549after a while because, oh, because here's the deal. It's not
45:40.677 -->
45:43.354gossip if we're trying to reach a solution.
45:44.668 -->
45:47.777And if there is a solution at hand and we're trying to
45:47.873 -->
45:51.239understand the situation and for it to
45:51.399 -->
45:53.226edify ourselves,
45:54.283 -->
45:57.649then yeah, let's talk about it. It's okay. We all know
45:57.729 -->
46:01.511what's going on. Let's figure out what's right. And if I ever have
46:02.011 -->
46:05.197the opportunity to correct this person in this way,
46:05.421 -->
46:08.482this is the way that I need to carry myself. And it depends. It depends
46:08.982 -->
46:11.527who's in the room as well. So we don't need to, as Christians, just,
46:11.607 -->
46:14.459oh, we can't talk about nobody. No, that's not healthy either.
46:14.988 -->
46:18.627Right? That's all the way before we have to address problems. I think gossip is
46:18.739 -->
46:21.673one of the most like socially accepted sins.
46:22.410 -->
46:26.289Oh yeah. I, yeah, I probably veer on the— I try to.
46:26.578 -->
46:30.057I'm not saying I'm perfect. No, it's impossible to be perfect. But I try to
46:30.121 -->
46:33.407veer on the other side of like just not really talking
46:33.907 -->
46:37.014about things because I'm in a position where I tend to know a lot of
46:37.514 -->
46:40.685things because people come and tell me stuff and I kind of
46:41.185 -->
46:45.170hate that. To be honest, because it just is messy.
46:45.670 -->
46:48.710I think a good response that if you find yourself in the situation, you didn't
46:49.210 -->
46:52.610present it, but maybe you're, you know, you walked into someone's gossip and it's— and
46:53.110 -->
46:56.210just, it doesn't have to be a 10-minute— ruin my walk. No, I think the
46:56.710 -->
46:59.690good thing to do is to stand up for the person that's not there,
47:00.190 -->
47:02.650right? To end it and be like, no, I really enjoy that person, you know,
47:03.150 -->
47:06.410and I don't like what you're saying about them. You know, you can do that
47:06.910 -->
47:10.478kindly, you know, and there's And you can, you can display
47:10.978 -->
47:13.639the fruits of the Spirit in that, and, and hopefully it leads to repentance.
47:13.688 -->
47:17.459And I, I have a similar story where it did. So a
47:17.959 -->
47:21.488lot of times, this is the, this is the irony of it, is in a
47:21.552 -->
47:26.319lot of times in gossip that there is people
47:26.367 -->
47:28.935that are gossiping just to gossip,
47:29.738 -->
47:33.060there's probably— they're being hypocritical in some way, right?
47:33.429 -->
47:37.235And so Not that I'm trying to dig and find out
47:37.347 -->
47:41.394where these people are being hypocrites because they present it, they present
47:41.894 -->
47:44.991themselves. You've got to, we've got to be good and quick-minded to say, hey,
47:45.296 -->
47:48.459you're doing the same thing. Like, let's call it out.
47:48.507 -->
47:51.559Let's say, you know, it's, you know, what's black and black is black. Doing the
47:52.059 -->
47:54.610same thing by sitting here talking about that person. Yeah.
47:55.413 -->
47:58.801You're being ugly too. Yeah. Now Maddie was asking me about a
47:59.301 -->
48:02.780situation the other day. Somebody, she's like, like, yeah, they just won't
48:03.280 -->
48:05.440go talk to that person about it. And I'm like, aren't you doing the same
48:05.940 -->
48:09.140thing to me? Like, you're talking to me about it instead of— like,
48:09.640 -->
48:12.740now we're like 4 of us staying on it. And that's why we need to
48:13.240 -->
48:16.580stop the conversation. She was like, you're right, I shouldn't be saying that. And so
48:17.080 -->
48:20.820yeah, we've got to have a presence. That's what I'm saying. That's why it's good.
48:21.320 -->
48:24.590We must, we must have a presence in those rooms, in those conversations,
48:25.080 -->
48:28.640and redirect and show and shed light. That's what God calls
48:29.140 -->
48:32.767us to be Here's another one. Someone comes and tells
48:33.267 -->
48:36.572you something in confidence that probably shouldn't be in confidence,
48:36.636 -->
48:40.777but you discover that somebody's in danger, someone's being
48:40.809 -->
48:43.715harmed, that sort of deal. And they ask you,
48:44.084 -->
48:47.343please don't tell anybody, right? What is the right thing to do?
48:48.354 -->
48:52.432They're the ones who did the harm? I don't know, could be. I would say
48:52.932 -->
48:56.445definitely the good thing. Should you keep that in confidence or should
48:56.945 -->
48:59.962you report that, share that? Well, I think as what's good,
49:00.139 -->
49:03.352a youth pastor, you know, I'm thinking in those terms and trainings
49:03.852 -->
49:06.066that I've done, it's like, no, what's good is to help the person that's being
49:06.243 -->
49:08.893harmed. That's, you know, if it's, uh, you know,
49:09.937 -->
49:13.327any kind of abuse, there's so many different types of abuse, right? But no,
49:13.471 -->
49:16.989what's right is help the person who needs the help. And if this person is
49:18.129 -->
49:21.278the abuser or the attacker or whatever you want to call them, like, no,
49:21.422 -->
49:25.147they're They're not to be protected. Yeah. No, sometimes that's good.
49:25.211 -->
49:29.145Some— yeah, sometimes that takes some thought and some wisdom, right? Is to—
49:29.787 -->
49:33.977when, when you— to help that person, which y'all
49:34.025 -->
49:37.621two have probably way more experience here than I do, just trying
49:37.653 -->
49:40.704to think it through. Uh, I don't know if I have a,
49:41.105 -->
49:44.219an experience, but, um, yeah,
49:44.235 -->
49:47.687sometimes helping them is telling somebody, right? Yeah. And whatever
49:48.187 -->
49:50.978that may be, times where I'm unsure, I, I— there's been times where I've been
49:51.478 -->
49:54.400unsure, like, well, it's You come ask me. Yeah, I go and ask you.
49:54.450 -->
49:56.630There you go. I was going to say, like, you need to have— I think
49:57.130 -->
49:59.710it's a good, good time to realize I need some mentors in my life that
50:00.210 -->
50:02.250are, you know, a little bit ahead of me that maybe they've dealt with a
50:02.750 -->
50:04.560similar situation. I'm just not sure who I'm supposed to go ask.
50:05.630 -->
50:08.850Ultimately, seek scripture if you got nobody,
50:09.350 -->
50:12.750which the answer's in there. So yeah, I think that's— that one's a little more
50:13.250 -->
50:16.870black and white for me. Okay. What about your workplace? And I know that's weird
50:17.370 -->
50:21.230for us, but let's just say your workplace is asking you to do something unethical,
50:21.310 -->
50:24.754either just by the culture that's there or your boss
50:25.043 -->
50:28.449telling you, hey, change these numbers to make something look better.
50:28.755 -->
50:32.852Don't tell somebody, don't tell the customer about a problem. Let's just sweep
50:33.352 -->
50:37.432it under the rug. Let's— or take credit for somebody else's work, or clock
50:37.932 -->
50:41.272in for somebody who's not there, or use company resources for
50:41.772 -->
50:45.820personal gain under the guise of everybody's doing it. This is the culture here.
50:46.655 -->
50:50.654Um, I guess what is good at what is right in those
50:50.703 -->
50:53.960situations. Now, the right thing may be losing your job,
50:53.976 -->
50:58.310maybe saying, I can't stand for this. I'm going to take
50:58.326 -->
51:01.728Ethan's approach here. It depends. It really does.
51:01.824 -->
51:05.547I think it does depend sometimes. So— oh, you don't think
51:06.047 -->
51:10.121it depends? I don't think it depends on this one. You said something like
51:10.651 -->
51:15.257to say, here's the deal, because not everybody needs to know everything.
51:15.658 -->
51:19.186So not everything is beneficial, right? So to—
51:19.491 -->
51:22.827for like, say, customer— now there's,
51:23.661 -->
51:27.494there's a good time, there's, there's times whenever, you know, I know how a
51:27.994 -->
51:31.118customer is going to be and I just, I want to
51:31.618 -->
51:35.127get him in and out. And if he understood the
51:35.627 -->
51:39.265trouble and the, the time that I've actually had to spend versus,
51:40.003 -->
51:44.111uh, what I charged him Um, and is— which
51:44.611 -->
51:47.852I'm not saying that in, in the, in the negative way. I'm always charging
51:47.964 -->
51:51.608less than what I have in it. It's just part of being a small,
51:51.753 -->
51:55.236small-time business. There's no way that I could be fair and charge
51:55.429 -->
51:59.362people according to how much time. But what I'm saying is, is like,
51:59.378 -->
52:03.439say we mess up, uh, on a, on a job, cut it apart and
52:03.939 -->
52:07.324fix it. They don't have to know, right? So I do think it—
52:07.453 -->
52:11.016yeah, I do think that it's, uh, situational now.
52:11.370 -->
52:14.410That, that would require you to define
52:14.910 -->
52:18.430what is ethical and what's not, you know. Um, I think when it deals with
52:18.930 -->
52:21.810like money, that's what I was thinking. Whenever you're like, you know, numbers and money
52:22.310 -->
52:24.870and, uh, you know, this person clocked them in and they really weren't here,
52:25.370 -->
52:28.790like, no, that's, that's wrong. Yeah, what is, what is unethical? So if it— that's,
52:29.290 -->
52:32.750that's probably where I'd have to answer that question. You'd have to, you'd have to
52:33.250 -->
52:36.790define each scenario for me. Yeah, your scenario though, like,
52:37.290 -->
52:40.150no, you fixed the problem. Like, it wasn't like you shorted somebody or— I didn't
52:40.650 -->
52:43.625sweep anything under the rug. It's the same quality that was going to to come
52:44.125 -->
52:48.231out to begin with. There's no— yeah, sometimes people
52:48.731 -->
52:52.316just don't need to know everything because that just ends up being problematic.
52:52.510 -->
52:56.104Let's switch gears. Okay. And I know you don't do social
52:56.120 -->
52:59.375media, but let's think about social media and just maybe talk about
52:59.875 -->
53:03.442some of this. You see people post something that's clearly
53:03.862 -->
53:06.768wrong, clearly like either propaganda,
53:06.929 -->
53:08.721AI, or, you know,
53:10.034 -->
53:13.817purposefully misleading or whatever, uh, what is right
53:13.945 -->
53:18.161and good in that situation? Is it comment publicly and
53:18.466 -->
53:21.896say that? Is it send them a private message, hey, I think—
53:23.098 -->
53:26.384is it, ah, who gives a rip and
53:26.884 -->
53:30.921ignore it? Is it share it and call them out publicly
53:30.953 -->
53:34.463because they posted it publicly? What is good and right
53:34.479 -->
53:38.344in our social media engagement on truth
53:38.844 -->
53:42.499and false things? Text is difficult.
53:43.445 -->
53:47.167You cannot have a— this is hard because
53:47.667 -->
53:51.064it's like even I can have the best intentions with a text to my wife
53:51.866 -->
53:55.058and she knows exactly who I am and what I do and
53:55.091 -->
53:58.571reads the wrong tone into it. Reads the wrong tone. Whole day is ruined.
53:58.619 -->
54:02.229Yeah. And then it— so my approach is to just keep my
54:02.729 -->
54:05.150mouth shut and And here's the deal.
54:06.498 -->
54:09.710Don't, because you're going to attract the same type of people.
54:10.175 -->
54:13.724Like, yeah, don't expect any other result other
54:14.224 -->
54:16.710than those kinds of folks that are going to blast you, going to get on
54:16.759 -->
54:20.500there and comment and be hateful and negative in
54:20.596 -->
54:23.840those situations. I'm not going to, I'm not going
54:24.340 -->
54:28.400to participate in that. I'm really, I don't
54:28.900 -->
54:32.490like airing out, uh, stuff on social media.
54:32.990 -->
54:34.930I don't have social media, but I got a lot— I got a lot to
54:35.430 -->
54:38.690say about that situation and just the whole thing in general.
54:39.190 -->
54:42.130Like, yeah, that's what you're going to attract. If that's— if that's— whether it's political,
54:42.630 -->
54:46.050religious, or just controversial, it doesn't even matter, right?
54:46.550 -->
54:49.550If you're gonna— if you're gonna post something like that, if it's— if it— if
54:50.050 -->
54:52.970you're close to that person, you know, if it's your brother, sister in Christ,
54:53.470 -->
54:56.413right, or, or someone that you have a good relationship, good friend, Like there probably
54:56.913 -->
54:59.899needs to be someone, and maybe it's not messaging them. I don't think commenting is
54:59.995 -->
55:04.669the right, because then you're just, you're feeding into the excitement
55:05.169 -->
55:08.412of it all, right? And then someone comments on your comment, and then you're arguing
55:08.444 -->
55:12.026and squabbling, and what fruit is coming from that? Nothing.
55:12.524 -->
55:15.881So I think that if it is something like, hey, my good friend,
55:15.897 -->
55:20.105you know, like Byron, if you posted something that was against Scripture
55:20.250 -->
55:23.123or and was hateful or whatever, right? Like, no,
55:23.957 -->
55:27.278it's— there's going back to accountability. It's my responsibility to like— I don't have
55:27.310 -->
55:30.921to comment, but like maybe I do call you, or maybe
55:30.985 -->
55:34.547I think in person is probably the best because things can get messed up
55:34.771 -->
55:38.093in text like that, and all of a sudden you're mad, but I think that
55:38.622 -->
55:42.553as a Christian man there's a level of accountability, and what is good is to
55:42.794 -->
55:46.148go to your brother or sister in Christ. Hey, you know what you're
55:46.648 -->
55:49.780saying about this topic, this hot topic that's going on right now, You know,
55:50.280 -->
55:53.760I get it. You may believe that, but— and it may be a totally confusing
55:54.260 -->
55:57.740scenario, but like, hey, that's just not what Scripture says. And sometimes it's easy
55:58.240 -->
56:02.080as that. And it's like, I just want you to know that. So being honest
56:02.580 -->
56:05.600is good, you know, being honest in those situations and— yeah,
56:06.100 -->
56:10.320and then approach them with kindness. So we talked about last episode though, and you've
56:10.820 -->
56:13.540got to have to know that person well or care what they, you know,
56:14.070 -->
56:17.340what— be involved in such a way, you know, if they're your friend
56:17.840 -->
56:21.097on social media, then you probably do. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying. Yeah. Oh,
56:21.113 -->
56:24.358kind of, maybe not really. I don't know. But, um,
56:24.881 -->
56:28.231I don't know. I've got like over 1,500 friends
56:28.488 -->
56:31.801and there's just people that send, you know, whatever.
56:31.882 -->
56:35.279Yeah. It's just, I think that's everybody on Facebook is just,
56:35.408 -->
56:38.532oh, I heard about him or no, no, that guy, uh, send him a friend
56:38.548 -->
56:41.792request. I don't deny any friend requests. So I don't know.
56:42.212 -->
56:45.751So everybody go add me. But like, just say, yeah. Oh, they do Spinner 42.
56:46.235 -->
56:49.311Just kidding. I do have,
56:49.504 -->
56:52.982I do have social media stalkers. My quote unquote
56:53.094 -->
56:56.333friends. You're not that famous, huh? You're not that famous.
56:56.397 -->
57:00.084No, I'm not that famous. But no, Shane Stover stalks
57:00.584 -->
57:04.332me on Facebook through my wife's profile because my wife will just— she
57:04.396 -->
57:07.698loves to post. She's social media. She loves to post
57:08.198 -->
57:11.497and give updates. That's her scrapbook, right? She likes to remember,
57:11.625 -->
57:15.713you know, memories and all that other stuff. And that's good. But yeah,
57:15.857 -->
57:19.528I hear about it. I hear about Debbie's posts before I even see them on
57:19.624 -->
57:22.883Facebook because because they're, hey, what are you doing? Yeah, I thought you were supposed
57:23.383 -->
57:26.688to be working. Whatever. But anyways, yeah, so I think you've got
57:27.188 -->
57:29.418to know, you got to know the person to be able to call them out
57:29.918 -->
57:32.147on it for sure. So what I've learned so far is, you know, watch out
57:32.647 -->
57:36.097for those stalkers, Shane Stovers of the world. Yeah, for sure.
57:36.884 -->
57:40.417Um, here's another one, a little different lane of thought,
57:40.433 -->
57:43.853but what is the difference between kind of technically
57:43.949 -->
57:47.831doing what's required but not actually doing what's
57:48.200 -->
57:52.705good, right? So kind of the, the bare minimum, the minimum requirement.
57:53.746 -->
57:57.241Some examples: a husband, um, is technically
57:57.433 -->
58:00.543providing for his family but maybe isn't
58:00.960 -->
58:04.711serving, not really being the leader, the, the man that he needs to be.
58:04.807 -->
58:08.110A dad physically there but disengaged.
58:08.334 -->
58:12.726Um, a church member attends, not really involved
58:13.226 -->
58:17.070in the life of the church, serving, giving, whatever. Uh, an employee doing just
58:17.570 -->
58:20.890the bare minimum of what's required, but not, not really
58:21.549 -->
58:25.386like do like enough to not get fucked, right? A Christian,
58:25.900 -->
58:28.597whatever. Um, is that wrong?
58:29.335 -->
58:32.434Is that— I'll give you the biblical answer, uh,
58:32.787 -->
58:35.741which I mean, which would be yeah, that's wrong. Um,
58:36.175 -->
58:39.482why is it not? Jesus said if, if a man asks you to,
58:39.787 -->
58:42.918to walk 1 mile, um, go 2. Go 2 with him.
58:43.640 -->
58:46.707So yeah, go, go far and beyond and, and work,
58:46.835 -->
58:50.306work as not— that's what,
58:51.012 -->
58:54.483what Jesus said, you know, work like you're working for the Lord. Like,
58:54.965 -->
58:57.921have that mindset. That should be the mindset. Now,
58:57.937 -->
59:01.038is it what I do? No, I'm not perfect in this. There's a lot of
59:01.054 -->
59:04.074things I'm like, okay, I'm so ready for this to be done. What,
59:04.283 -->
59:07.914just bare minimum? I'm ready for it, you know, to be over with and out
59:08.414 -->
59:12.236of my life. So yeah, do I fall guilty? I do get,
59:12.397 -->
59:14.590I do get weary in these in doing good.
59:15.788 -->
59:19.578Yeah, but, but I— it is front
59:20.078 -->
59:23.655and forth, you know, it's in my mind to try to
59:24.269 -->
59:26.804maintain that effort. Yeah,
59:29.050 -->
59:31.443I think there is a difference between just,
59:32.512 -->
59:36.171just trying to kind of toe the line or just barely
59:36.236 -->
59:39.814meet the requirements and not doing
59:39.878 -->
59:43.492things all the way or doing what is good for others. Yeah, I think there
59:43.992 -->
59:47.106is a difference. So I'm, I'm sick of these, so I'm done asking. I have
59:47.122 -->
59:50.334a bunch more, uh, but they make me like— I
59:50.834 -->
59:54.462don't like thinking about some of these things. But I, I hope it's
59:54.670 -->
59:58.204maybe helpful with some scenarios just to think about,
59:58.461 -->
01:00:01.786okay, goodness is complicated, and doing what is
01:00:01.818 -->
01:00:05.962right takes thought and understanding and understanding
01:00:06.138 -->
01:00:09.528and discernment and Um, it— I think it also
01:00:10.028 -->
01:00:13.770takes, uh, the wisdom of community, right? So I think even
01:00:14.270 -->
01:00:17.980just us talking it out, like, I think it takes one
01:00:18.480 -->
01:00:22.543another, right? Like, I think that's part of the gift of the church and
01:00:23.043 -->
01:00:27.444the gift of Christian community and brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers is like,
01:00:27.685 -->
01:00:31.107we need each other because you'll think about things a little different way
01:00:31.220 -->
01:00:34.576than I would have, and Ethan will bring something different to the table. And I
01:00:34.592 -->
01:00:37.236wouldn't have thought about it like that. And it's like, oh wow, no, I need
01:00:37.736 -->
01:00:40.970to consider that. Yeah, there's checks and balances whenever you involve
01:00:41.163 -->
01:00:45.089other people other than yourself. Yeah, if it's just me— and yes,
01:00:45.169 -->
01:00:48.454I have the Holy Spirit, and yes, the Holy Spirit leads, and I have God's
01:00:48.518 -->
01:00:51.883word— but there's wisdom in the community too, right?
01:00:51.979 -->
01:00:54.511I think if we're making isolated decisions,
01:00:55.264 -->
01:00:58.036especially in some of the gray areas of goodness,
01:00:59.014 -->
01:01:02.538like the difficult difficult things like, should we have—
01:01:02.586 -->
01:01:05.986do IVF? Should we not? You know what, some of those hard
01:01:06.019 -->
01:01:09.329ones, right? Uh, that's where we need the wisdom of the
01:01:09.829 -->
01:01:13.376community. We need the discernment. That's part of the gift of the Holy
01:01:13.876 -->
01:01:18.734Spirit, is the church, is the, the gathered body. So yeah,
01:01:19.161 -->
01:01:20.606I don't know, where are you going?
01:01:22.755 -->
01:01:26.630Oh, there's a lot more we can talk about. Goodness. Uh, I guess I
01:01:27.130 -->
01:01:29.490don't know how much more we want to go. I think we're reaching the end.
01:01:29.990 -->
01:01:32.310Reaching the end, but if you got— I got a few verses. Okay, here in
01:01:32.810 -->
01:01:36.430Thessalonians, this is Paul. Paul talks about all kinds
01:01:36.930 -->
01:01:40.210of good stuff. Good stuff, right? But kind of here at the end of 1
01:01:40.710 -->
01:01:44.050Thessalonians, he's kind of giving his final instructions, and I'm not going
01:01:44.550 -->
01:01:48.210to read the whole 10 verses here, but we look at a few.
01:01:49.310 -->
01:01:52.570He's talking about, you know, living at peace, living at patience, so he's kind of
01:01:53.070 -->
01:01:56.031reiterating some of those fruits of the Spirit. And in verse 15, he says,
01:01:56.047 -->
01:01:59.575make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always
01:01:59.640 -->
01:02:02.812strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone
01:02:02.909 -->
01:02:06.548else. And then he goes on and pray
01:02:07.048 -->
01:02:10.412continuously, give thanks in all circumstances, right?
01:02:11.040 -->
01:02:14.020And down at verse— I saw that a while ago,
01:02:14.036 -->
01:02:16.998but now I forgot it— verse 21,
01:02:17.823 -->
01:02:20.655or I'll read 20 and 21. He says, do not treat prophecies with contempt.
01:02:20.860 -->
01:02:24.583But test them all. Hold on to what is good.
01:02:24.856 -->
01:02:27.344So that echoes that word good, right?
01:02:28.034 -->
01:02:30.811There's other fruits of the Spirit in there as well in that section,
01:02:31.485 -->
01:02:34.759but he's like, hold on, hold on to what is good. You know, test things
01:02:35.259 -->
01:02:38.338of this world. If it's unclear that it is, is this good or is it
01:02:38.838 -->
01:02:42.447not? Like, test it. Does it stand with scripture? Does it stand
01:02:42.479 -->
01:02:46.091firmly with scripture or is it, well, it's not, well, it's good, but it's
01:02:46.591 -->
01:02:49.028really just good for me or it's really just good for that person. So test
01:02:49.528 -->
01:02:52.126it. You know, if you're not quite sure with some of those harder topics,
01:02:52.174 -->
01:02:55.449right? Seeking God's Word, seeking prayer and
01:02:55.722 -->
01:02:59.414meditating on His Word, and time. Don't be
01:02:59.914 -->
01:03:03.877too fast or hasty to make a decision, especially a big life-altering
01:03:03.893 -->
01:03:07.569one. You know, maybe it does bring you good outcomes,
01:03:07.665 -->
01:03:11.904right? But I think like jobs, job situations,
01:03:11.936 -->
01:03:13.782or, you know, should I take this job? I can make more money if I
01:03:14.282 -->
01:03:18.052do this. You know, we have a friend in a situation like that, or he's
01:03:18.552 -->
01:03:20.924making his mind up still a little bit, but I can do this, make a
01:03:21.424 -->
01:03:23.794lot of money, or I can do what God's calling me to do. What's good
01:03:24.294 -->
01:03:26.713is do what God is calling you to do. You know, the things of this
01:03:26.761 -->
01:03:30.641world don't matter. So, you know, test things. Are they good?
01:03:30.850 -->
01:03:33.912You know, seeking God's word, but also just being
01:03:34.412 -->
01:03:38.146in him, being in the Father, enduring. You know, we talked
01:03:38.646 -->
01:03:42.138about endurance. Endurance. That'll show you what's good.
01:03:42.250 -->
01:03:46.147You know, endure through some hardship. That's what is good. There is
01:03:46.259 -->
01:03:49.675an element of Um, persevering, like perseverance.
01:03:50.092 -->
01:03:53.267And, and that's what I said, you know, sometimes I
01:03:53.476 -->
01:03:57.084grow weary of doing good. Like, I'm— yeah. And, and so,
01:03:57.244 -->
01:04:00.708but the Bible warns us, don't grow weary of
01:04:00.756 -->
01:04:04.220doing good. Like, keep that. Yeah, that's kind of what I wanted to read
01:04:04.720 -->
01:04:09.031to wrap up, um, because I think the reality is doing
01:04:09.531 -->
01:04:12.944goodness, yeah, it takes discernment. It also costs something. Yeah, it's like being kind,
01:04:12.960 -->
01:04:16.166like we talked about it's going to cost us something to
01:04:16.666 -->
01:04:20.222do good in certain situations. Similar to— yeah, it takes a lot of energy.
01:04:20.719 -->
01:04:23.893It takes energy, takes thought. It, it may
01:04:23.925 -->
01:04:26.987have social consequences, right, to do what's right.
01:04:27.083 -->
01:04:30.610Even if it costs Debbie a couple hundred bucks to do what was right
01:04:31.110 -->
01:04:34.169in that situation, uh, it— there's, there's those.
01:04:34.458 -->
01:04:38.369So he says, and, and this is Galatians 6, this is just a few
01:04:38.869 -->
01:04:42.746sentences down from the fruit of the Spirit: let us not grow weary of doing
01:04:42.858 -->
01:04:46.210good, for in due season we will reap if we do not give
01:04:46.710 -->
01:04:50.720up. So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to
01:04:50.784 -->
01:04:54.395everyone, especially to those who are of the household of
01:04:54.895 -->
01:04:57.798faith. And so, yeah, goodness, uh,
01:04:58.680 -->
01:05:02.243it's hard. It takes endurance and pushing through. It costs us
01:05:02.340 -->
01:05:06.240something, um, but it's also an action. It's doing good.
01:05:06.288 -->
01:05:09.594It's not just, uh, it's not just a right
01:05:09.642 -->
01:05:13.045way of thinking. It is action. It is actually getting out there
01:05:13.189 -->
01:05:17.246and doing that. So, but the thing, the thing is, and what keeps me going,
01:05:17.518 -->
01:05:21.494right, is what refreshes me is
01:05:21.590 -->
01:05:25.422to know, I mean, what, what that says is don't grow weary
01:05:25.518 -->
01:05:29.510of doing good because there is— you
01:05:29.542 -->
01:05:32.588will reap what you sow. Like there is a crop.
01:05:32.652 -->
01:05:35.105Good back. Yeah, there's— you will yield a crop here.
01:05:35.938 -->
01:05:39.545And that's what keeps us going. All right. God's going to bless
01:05:40.045 -->
01:05:43.393us. And not that that's the point. Yeah, that's not the point. But that's the
01:05:43.893 -->
01:05:46.456encouragement too, though. Is, is get back up.
01:05:47.162 -->
01:05:50.643Also reflect, reflect on times in your life where, okay,
01:05:50.948 -->
01:05:54.365because I endured through that, I can see the, the harvest, and that was
01:05:54.798 -->
01:05:58.376plentiful, right? It was good. Uh, so that should help you to continue in
01:05:58.472 -->
01:06:01.536that. That's right. I think one thing, one main thing to,
01:06:01.857 -->
01:06:05.547to take away is that, you know, goodness is not defined
01:06:06.047 -->
01:06:09.461by us or our culture, society, you name
01:06:09.558 -->
01:06:13.057it, by our country or our leaders, It's defined by God. And that's,
01:06:13.169 -->
01:06:17.361that's the ultimate truth. That's the ultimate light. That's the ultimate thing is with
01:06:17.409 -->
01:06:20.107all the fruits of the Spirit is like none of these are defined by man.
01:06:20.637 -->
01:06:24.459They've already been defined and perfectly. We don't have to redefine them. We don't have
01:06:24.507 -->
01:06:28.249to reinvent them or find loopholes around
01:06:28.749 -->
01:06:32.424them because no, this is the right thing. And sometimes it's harder, but that's
01:06:32.441 -->
01:06:36.391what's good. It's good. It's good. It's good.
01:06:36.471 -->
01:06:39.121It's all good. It's all good. Oh,
01:06:39.265 -->
01:06:43.005there's so many ways we use that word. Yeah, there is.
01:06:43.823 -->
01:06:46.969Well, thanks for joining us today, guys. Uh, who wants to lead us in prayer?
01:06:47.691 -->
01:06:50.885It's Ethan's turn. It's Ethan's turn.
01:06:50.997 -->
01:06:54.111No, I'm gonna remember whose turn it is next time. It's Casey's. All right.
01:06:54.897 -->
01:06:58.043Uh, dear Lord, we just come to you tonight, or today, Lord, and we just
01:06:58.543 -->
01:07:01.975thank you, uh, for this opportunity that we have to get together just as brothers
01:07:02.475 -->
01:07:05.664in Christ, Lord, and just get to dissect your word and really look
01:07:06.164 -->
01:07:08.532at the fruits of the Spirit, Lord, and when it comes to goodness, I pray
01:07:09.032 -->
01:07:12.794that you would help us, God, to apply that in our lives more times than
01:07:13.294 -->
01:07:16.832not whenever we need you, Lord, whenever we are faced with ethical or
01:07:16.944 -->
01:07:20.549moral decisions, God, that you would show us and guide us down
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01:07:23.497the right path, God, remind us of the goodness that you've already presented to us,
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01:07:27.407that we don't have to struggle to find out what that looks like,
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01:07:30.098but you've already defined it in your word, Lord, so I pray that you would
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01:07:34.105just guide us, lead us into your goodness, Lord, Lord, just help
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01:07:38.321us stay away from what we think is good for ourselves, because most times
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01:07:41.864that's, that's the evil trap of the enemy, Lord. So pray that you would just
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01:07:45.887guide us, God, and pray over this podcast, Lord, that it would just be fruitful,
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01:07:49.895and that we would just get the— get an opportunity to talk about your
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01:07:53.726word and with one another, Lord, and it would just be
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01:07:56.595fruitful overall. We just pray this in your Son's name. Amen.
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01:07:59.320Amen. Be good.
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01:08:11.451Family, I can save you from
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01:08:13.417these demons in your choir.
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01:08:19.182From these demons in your choir.