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So, Sylvian, tell me tell me what it was like
to have this discussion.
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That was a nice experience.
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Nice experience.
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Yeah.
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That was a nice experience because, I, I had to
formulate what I, what I think.
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And I had to 1st of all, I liked this
atmosphere.
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You like the atmosphere?
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Yeah.
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The atmosphere.
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Number 2, I would say that thank you for this
question because you nailed some key points.
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You're very welcome.
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Yeah.
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You are very welcome.
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I think you have a gift.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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You have a gift.
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I think that, you know, we you you did a scan
for me the other night and you nailed things on
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the head and pin were able to pinpoint them to
times in my life where things happened.
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And you told me, don't tell me anything about
what's going on in your life.
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I don't wanna know.
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I I don't wanna I don't wanna know.
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Don't tell me.
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Don't tell me.
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Don't tell me.
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Don't tell me.
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I wanna keep objective.
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You wanna keep it objective.
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And and you were able to to to describe what I
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based on what you saw.
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So I'd I'd like to, you know, I'd like to offer
one thought on that.
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Is that okay with you to offer a thought?
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It seems like it it seems like based on what I
experienced personally Yes.
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That you work in the quantum field of
awareness, that you work in a field of
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awareness which is very different than a a
diagnostic tool that you might find in a
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doctor's office or a tricore lab or a blood lab
or, you know, allopathic diagnostic tools which
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are valuable.
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I think they have their I think it's like if
somebody has a, you know, a gaping head wound,
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they they need to go to the ER and get stitched
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Right?
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Yeah.
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If they break if they break their arm, they
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that taken care of.
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But I would offer that there's probably a cause
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their past that it was reflected as tension in
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Yes?
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True.
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True.
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Completely armed.
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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Beautiful.
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Okay.
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So welcome back to Vision Cast Network, where
intention collaboration and technology gather
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in service to humanity.
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Today's special guest is Sufjan Rasch, and he's
an osteopath and DO by training.
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But he's not just another osteopath and DO.
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He's a therapist as well, and I'm excited to
have this discussion with him.
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So it's great to see you and to meet you
actually in Zoom person.
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How are you doing?
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Very good.
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Thank you.
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Sure.
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Beautiful.
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So let's open up the conversation by, giving us
an idea of your backstory and what led you to
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be doing the work that you're doing now.
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Accidentally.
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Accidentally.
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Yeah.
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Literally.
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You know, when I was, like, just before the
university, was I I was not planning to study
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anything about health or to and, like, I just
put, I just, like, choose to be a doctor, like,
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physician
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Okay.
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By default.
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And I went to the university in France in
Bordeaux, and that was like and at that time,
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it was like a tough exam.
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We were like 800, and they took the best 60 5th
student.
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And I was, like, studying, like, learning about
global, let's say, culture.
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And, of course, I get a quite decent mark, but
not enough to get graduated.
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And I was like, I was like, I did 1st year.
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I had an opportunity to redo it again.
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Okay.
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Still, next 2nd year, decent mark.
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And that year, I started to worry about my
future, and I talked to a friend which, was
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next to me, and I told her her name I still
remember it was Stephanie.
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I said, Stephanie.
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Stephanie.
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Stephanie.
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If that time, you don't succeed to be, like, at
the top 65 students, so you would be choosing
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to go to 2nd year of medicine, what what would
it do?
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And she told me, I'll be, actually, I was
thinking about being a physiotherapist.
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Okay.
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I say, okay, what is physiotherapy?
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And she explained me, and I say, oh, looks
sounds good.
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I would do just like you.
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And be because I did not succeed, I started to
to to yeah.
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I I I I did my physiotherapy, like, school
interest examination, and I could, and I was
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chosen, and then I entered to a new universe,
which I found quite nice.
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Okay.
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And then when I finished my studies, I kept in
a relationship with with another student.
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His name is Ludovic, and we were, like, calling
each other after our physical therapy studies.
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And I one one day, I was I called him because I
didn't I didn't feel that this is it, you know,
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about how to treat a person.
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And we're having a long conversation over the
phone because he was living in another place in
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France, you know, city called whatever,
Toulouse.
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And and I told him, hey, Ludovic, okay, okay,
you do agree, but what would you do?
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And he said, you know, this is, from the next
year, I'll be learning, osteopathy.
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And he said, okay, Lubick.
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Can you please tell me what is osteopathy?
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And he he and then he explained.
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I said, oh, sure.
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I'm gonna make I'm gonna do the same.
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So that's this is how I came in to
osteoporosis.
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But just pause right there for a moment.
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This is fascinating.
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So what I heard you say is that you started off
being a medical doctor, studying, to be a
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medical doctor, and it's very competitive.
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Yes.
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And then you thought, no.
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That's not gonna work for me.
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Then you went into physical therapy Yes.
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And you said, okay.
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I'm through that.
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I I've I've accomplished that goal, but I have
doubts about whether or not this is really what
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I desire to do in life.
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You had you had 2 challenges.
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Yes.
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You had 2 challenges that the first one, you
you met the challenge and you said, okay.
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This didn't work out.
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I'm gonna do something else.
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2nd one, you made it through, but then I was
like, okay.
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This is not in alignment with my values.
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Exactly.
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So so 2 and and what was the period of time did
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How many years did that take?
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Like, to study physical therapy?
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Or
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From the beginning of becoming deciding to be a
medical doctor to completing physical therapy
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training.
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I would from 1998 to, 2002.
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Like, 4 years.
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That's 4 years?
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So you invested 4 years to find out what you
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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6 years.
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6 years.
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6 years.
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So you invested 6 years to find out what you
didn't really didn't wanna do.
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So and that time is not refundable.
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Now I I would imagine that most people would
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A lot
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of those were.
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The average person might feel like, oh my gosh.
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I invested 6 years of my life.
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I can't get that time back, and I still don't
know what I'm gonna do.
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Right?
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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You mean, like, how much time I spent to learn
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Medicine, like conventional medicine?
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Like, 2 years or 2 years.
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Just 2 years in university?
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Then then physical therapy?
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Like, it took me 4 more years?
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So that's that's the 6 years.
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That's the 6 so a lot of people would say, oh
my gosh.
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You know, I've invested 6 years.
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I'm not really where I wanna be.
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Oh, woe is me.
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And they'd kind of give up.
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And that is really why one of the reasons I
wanted to have you on this podcast as a guest.
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So just to take a quick break, you know,
VisionCast Network, it really is about
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intention collaboration and technology
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And it's oftentimes that we push against the
door to get through a door and get to where it
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is that we wanna go.
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But then things happen and we fall down.
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the one we're having with Sufjan.
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And so you decided then to study osteopathy.
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And how did that go?
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This is your, like, your 3rd your 3rd trip
around the sun if
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you were in 3rd adventure.
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The 3rd.
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But in in meantime, after my physical therapy
studies, I started to get interested with
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Chinese medicine, which I
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found.
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Medicine.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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And I did, like, just by my own by buying books
and Okay.
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But I and then, like, I kept all the time
learning Chinese medicine, and, I started my
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osteopathy studies, and it took me, like, 6
years to get graduated, like, from 2,003 until
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2009.
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it's it was a really good thing to have, like,
in the background, Chinese medicine because I
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made a lot of connections and between
osteopathy and Chinese medicine.
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Yes.
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So is this traditional Chinese medicine that
you studied?
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TC.
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TC.
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TC.
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That is that is a wonderful that is a wonderful
practice.
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So another 6 years.
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So you're 12 years in.
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And so what happened after the what happened in
year 13 forward?
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What what is is this, like, is this the happy
ending you were looking for or did something
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else occur?
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Not really.
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It was, like, closer to
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Closer.
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Closer to it was not it yet.
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But it was, like,
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I'm getting closer.
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I'm getting closer.
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You're getting closer.
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Yeah.
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So you've invested you've invested 12 years of
nonrefundable time.
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It's 43180 days of your life.
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I just took a math.
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It's 43 180 days of your life.
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We can figure out how many minutes and seconds,
but that time is gone.
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And so so what was that like to invest 12 years
and to realize, okay, I'm getting closer, but
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I'm not quite there yet?
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You know, I don't see it this way because, to
me, learning, how to treat people is a journey.
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Yes.
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that journey will never end.
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Say more about that.
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Say more about that.
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Say map some say more, please, about the
journey will never end.
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Something it's like something because as you
say, life is time life is limited.
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And and you know that you need maybe a lot a
lot of time, and you will probably never have
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enough of time.
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Yes.
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And but the goal is I don't want to get to it.
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It's but I know I cannot get to it.
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But let's get the closest possible.
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Let's get to as close as possible.
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Yes.
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As I can.
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Yeah.
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Because, you know, I need maybe 10 lives or
maybe more.
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So the the closest I will get to, to that the
point, it's like more it's it's something that
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cannot happen.
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It's something I just try to be closer and
closer and closer.
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So for me, it's a journey.
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It's the journey.
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So you don't measure yourself.
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Sounds like you were not measuring yourself
against an ultimate destination.
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You were measuring yourself against the journey
that you were making.
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Yeah.
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I'm having a direction.
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Yes.
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I'm having a direction.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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And I'm going.
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Yeah.
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And I'm keeping going.
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And he's gonna keep going because because
another day, you know, another 43 160 days are
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gonna go by.
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So so so I
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may as
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well make the most of it.
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Wow.
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And so sounds like you were getting really,
really close.
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So what then happened after your, your your
osteopathy and, TCM combination.
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What happened?
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How did you then get into kind of therapy and
how did you how did you how did that occur?
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What was the next big step for you?
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The next big step was I mean, like, I have to,
unfortunately, I had I had a wonderful teacher.
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Wonderful teacher.
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Yeah.
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When I was studying osteo, but he,
unfortunately, he died.
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I don't know during COVID time, but I don't
know what killed him exactly, importantly.
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But he was he inspired me so much, and he was,
like, telling me, you keep doing what you do.
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It's like he was observing me and said, hey.
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You keep doing what you do.
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And that gave me a huge power.
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Because when I was when I finished my studies,
and when I had some thinking, reflection about,
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oh, this is not exactly what they what I have
been taught, you know, so it does not fit.
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And
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Okay.
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And it's it might look like it might look like
who are you?
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Your teacher don't, have, like, minimum maybe
15 or 20 years experience, and you would say
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that this is not true.
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So you need a lot of confidence.
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And fortunately, I met the teacher that gave me
that confidence because this this this teacher
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had, like, 30 years.
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And he said, you keep you keep doing this.
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You keep, like, dig dig deeper.
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You have to dig.
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Deep digging.
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Yes.
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So what what did your teacher see in you?
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I really don't know because after being
graduated, he used to when I used to call him
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because I'm reading a lot of questions that
was, like, wondering me.
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And each time he was, like, picking up the
phone, he'd say, hey, Sufjan, how are you?
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Did you write your book?
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I said, what are you talking about?
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And I go, I'm learning.
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I'm far from writing any book.
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And he said, oh, okay.
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We'll talk about that later.
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Yeah.
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So he was like it's like he was, like, giving
me the most confidence positive.
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Yes.
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He was trying hard to give me confidence.
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So do you mind if I ask you a question about
that?
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Of course.
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No.
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I mean, would what do you know what I know
exactly.
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So so so why do you think he had that so why do
you think that he had so much confidence in
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you?
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What is it about you that he think do you think
that he saw?
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If you had to, like, if you had to, like, maybe
see it through his eyes, what do you think he
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was seeing when he looked at you that gave him
that confidence?
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To be honest with you, I don't know.
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I was even upset at him because sometimes
during the course, I was asking him, like,
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question, very precise questions.
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Like yeah.
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And he was, like, answering to to other
students, and he was, like, telling me, okay.
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But it's you, Sufian.
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Don't mind about what I say.
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You keep doing what you what you do.
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And I was like, hey.
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I was asking something precise to you.
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I want an answer.
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And I was like, no.
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No.
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No.
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You keep doing what you want.
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So you were upset that he wasn't treating it
sounds like you were upset that he wasn't
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treating you like other students.
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Yes.
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And that he was at the same time, asking that
you, Cifion, go ahead and follow some internal
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clock or some internal guidance or some
internal win some inner wisdom to learn.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I was like, I was thinking that he just didn't
want to answer, and he was giving me that.
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He thought maybe he doesn't wanna answer, but
in reality, perhaps he was saying, you know
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what?
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Go out and apply the knowledge or or keep keep
opening your mind up.
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So the reason I'm asking this question is I was
talking to a colleague just last night, who is
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brilliant, and I can see it.
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However, I don't know that they see it.
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And sounds like you had a sounds like you had a
really great mentor, somebody that that
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believed in you and was important to you in
your life and made a difference.
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When I look back When
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you look back, you can see it now.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Now.
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Now.
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So that that was that was a major moment.
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So now you are, what what is that?
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That's that's 18 years in.
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Is that correct?
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Or how many years in?
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When it happened, it was, like, 2,009 and 2009.
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2009, 2010, 2000 until 2014, 15.
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He was he was there, ready for answering to any
question, pushing me to write that book.
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I don't know what what where this idea came
from.
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And, then I was more but he gave me confidence.
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He gave me he gave me, the will to believe in
myself.
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Yep.
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He gave me the power to believe in myself and
say, okay.
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That's my way.
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It's not you know, health is not a
contradiction.
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It's just a a method is a point of view.
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Yes.
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It's a point of view.
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But that sounds like that point of view for you
came from some difficulty, some starts and
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stops, some walls, some restarts, some
developing the ability to rely on your inner
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wisdom, then apply that inner wisdom so that
you now, can serve at a higher level.
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That's kind of the story that I'm hearing now.
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And that that process took some time in the way
that you that you approached it is I'm gonna
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measure myself against progress, not against
some ultimate goal.
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Am I hearing that all correctly?
403
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Yeah.
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I think so.
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This is what I do think now about that.
406
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So so let me ask you a question.
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How do you use that experience, that wisdom
that you gained, in a therapeutic environment
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to serve your clients?
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Would say, like, the I would say it this way.
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Each time I, started to doubt about what I have
learned, it ended up by being the beginning of
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a huge step forward in term of understanding
how health, works, what how the body works, how
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all what is linked to health works.
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So I would say that his name is Mathura,
Mathura.
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In France, we say Mathura.
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And, and, this teacher, just at the end, he
it's like he hammered something in me, like,
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keep doing, keep doing, believe, believe.
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It's a matter of of of believing in myself.
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And and he gave me that power, so I kept
digging and digging and digging and just
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doubting on everything.
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And this time, I I had, like, an obstacle.
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I just noticed that it was because I had a
belief that was untrue.
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I I assume things I assume things that were not
true at the end.
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I assume them because I have learned them.
426
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Wow.
427
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So doubt was the catalyst for self reflection
and then ultimately change.
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So you didn't look at doubt as something that
was, you know, wrong or unnatural.
429
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It was a it's a part
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of life.
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Is that correct?
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Yeah.
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I would say it's yeah.
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I would say so.
435
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I would say that.
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You know, you when you get a let's call it a
knowledge from somebody that is, like, good
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reputation Yeah.
438
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A lot of experience, you would think this is
the truth.
439
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Yeah.
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To the truth.
441
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Yep.
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And this, like, what we call knowledge, may
might may make you struggle with it for years
443
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years until you understand that that was not
that wasn't true or that was quite partially
444
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untrue.
445
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And this is how I stepped up just by doubting
what I assumed because it it came from persons
446
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that were supposed to know more than me.
447
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So it came from a healthy place, but the other
thing that I heard you say here is that 2
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things.
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Number 1, the information came from a healthy
place, It was earned after years of your own
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self discovery in your own process.
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And then you applied that knowledge to validate
what you were experiencing and seeing and you
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questioned it along the way and just kept that
process over and over and over again and that
453
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you've arrived at what what did that take you
to?
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The process that you that I just described,
that iterative round and around process, what
455
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is that taking you to now?
456
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And now in December of 2024, how would you say
that's shaped your life and your practice and
457
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how you serve people?
458
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You know, I'm it's it's it's really interesting
because, you know, if you are patient by
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something, you have to pay the price.
460
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This there is it's it's not, like, just the so
I would say that, like, socially, if you are
461
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constantly thinking about health, the body,
there's no vacation.
462
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You can be whatever in in in the other side of
the planet.
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If in your mind, you are constantly brain
brainwashing yourself and thinking about, okay,
464
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last time I had I didn't achieve my goals in
terms of efficiency with that person.
465
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Why that?
466
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I have maybe I'm having a wrong vision.
467
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Maybe I should dub something, I assume,
etcetera etcetera.
468
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So, of course, you have to pay the price in
terms of, I wouldn't say that it's so bad in my
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private life, but it's when I think I look back
about all these years, each time I I could see
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something besides somebody patient, there is a
pry in personal life, there is a price to pay.
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And, this is one this is one thing.
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And the second thing is, like, you have to
feel, you have to accept being rejected because
473
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people assume what is, like, the common
information, which is not always true.
474
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They just they don't need the truth.
475
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They need something coherent
476
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Okay.
477
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Being true or not.
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So you have to, you have to face that, but you
have also but it opens up for you a whole new
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word of, of knowledge and about how the body
works.
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I I don't know if I I I that was what you I I I
answered to your question.
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That that that's fascinating, and I appreciate
I appreciate that.
482
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It brings up more questions.
483
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So I'm curious.
484
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People come to you because they are
experiencing what?
485
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And then how do you treat them?
486
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Like, give us an example of a recent case maybe
that you've been working on.
487
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Somebody came to you for something, and then
this is how you treated it, and then these are
488
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the results that they experienced.
489
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Oh, there's all kind of things.
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An example, people like, a child, which was 3
years old, they couldn't, still talk.
491
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Okay.
492
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And, yeah, and it was some tension in the body
that had to be relieved.
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And, this is one example, among the others.
494
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And, like, of course, parents, they tried
everything.
495
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And, of course, they just titties, like, they
did not trust me.
496
00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:39,450
They were, like, skeptic wishes.
497
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,109
I understand.
498
00:25:40,169 --> 00:25:41,289
I'm I'm okay with that.
499
00:25:41,289 --> 00:25:41,529
No.
500
00:25:41,529 --> 00:25:46,325
I'm I I I'm more than I'm, I'm in peace with
with that.
501
00:25:46,785 --> 00:25:50,085
And This this 3 year old child couldn't talk.
502
00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:51,365
Parent was skeptical.
503
00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:52,384
Yep.
504
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:56,785
So so what is it that you did to support this 3
year old child and probably, I guess, their
505
00:25:56,785 --> 00:25:57,424
parents as well.
506
00:25:57,424 --> 00:25:58,965
They got some support as well.
507
00:26:00,529 --> 00:26:07,910
My work is to check where the tensions are in
the body and relieve them.
508
00:26:08,369 --> 00:26:11,410
You check where the tension is in the body and
then relieve the tension.
509
00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:11,730
Okay.
510
00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:12,789
And relieve the tensions.
511
00:26:12,849 --> 00:26:18,945
And healing is not actually my business.
512
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:24,785
My business is to relieve and remove obstacles.
513
00:26:25,644 --> 00:26:27,904
Ah, so For self healing.
514
00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:29,470
For self healing.
515
00:26:29,529 --> 00:26:30,029
Yeah.
516
00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:32,730
And the body does the rest right after the
session.
517
00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:33,690
Body does the rest.
518
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:36,670
So you you identify where the tension is in the
body.
519
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:37,710
Yes.
520
00:26:37,769 --> 00:26:40,509
And I do relieve That can relieve that tension.
521
00:26:40,924 --> 00:26:41,325
Yes.
522
00:26:41,325 --> 00:26:44,684
And then the body the body knows how to bring
itself into balance.
523
00:26:44,684 --> 00:26:46,224
The body understands homeostasis.
524
00:26:46,684 --> 00:26:47,984
It understands balance.
525
00:26:48,444 --> 00:26:48,944
Exactly.
526
00:26:49,164 --> 00:26:49,565
Exactly.
527
00:26:49,565 --> 00:26:55,490
So you just identify where the tension is,
relieve the tension, and then the body kind of,
528
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:58,690
like, just springs back like a spring that's
all wound up.
529
00:26:58,690 --> 00:27:00,630
It's like when you release, it's like, oh.
530
00:27:01,329 --> 00:27:01,829
Exactly.
531
00:27:02,369 --> 00:27:10,375
You know, my website, and, I'm just, like,
looking for a quote by the just the inventor of
532
00:27:10,375 --> 00:27:10,875
Austibody.
533
00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:11,755
Okay.
534
00:27:12,134 --> 00:27:16,795
And it's I thought about that when I was making
my website in 2016.
535
00:27:17,575 --> 00:27:20,455
And when I I found out, I say, hey.
536
00:27:20,455 --> 00:27:22,234
That's exactly what I'm doing.
537
00:27:22,295 --> 00:27:29,650
I was so happy that I get to what he said, and
his his name is Andrew Taylor still.
538
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:41,345
And he said, any variation from health has a
cause, and the cause has a location.
539
00:27:42,525 --> 00:27:49,910
It is the business of the osteopath to locate
and remove the cause, doing away with the
540
00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:52,009
disease and getting health instead.
541
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:58,009
That's and, like, whatever is the method,
that's the thing.
542
00:27:58,069 --> 00:27:58,970
That's the goal.
543
00:27:59,029 --> 00:28:00,890
So you're you're really a facilitator.
544
00:28:02,954 --> 00:28:04,115
I guess so.
545
00:28:04,115 --> 00:28:04,954
I guess so.
546
00:28:04,954 --> 00:28:05,855
In some ways.
547
00:28:06,154 --> 00:28:06,554
Yeah.
548
00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:12,174
You you are you are a facilitator in supporting
the body's natural healing ability.
549
00:28:13,115 --> 00:28:13,515
Yes.
550
00:28:13,515 --> 00:28:14,654
Which is very powerful.
551
00:28:14,714 --> 00:28:15,674
Which is very powerful.
552
00:28:15,674 --> 00:28:15,994
Yes.
553
00:28:15,994 --> 00:28:16,734
It's omnipotent.
554
00:28:17,609 --> 00:28:18,109
Exactly.
555
00:28:18,569 --> 00:28:21,450
As long as you relieve the
556
00:28:21,823 --> 00:28:22,410
is released.
557
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:22,890
Right?
558
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:23,210
Yeah.
559
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:24,109
Which is intentions.
560
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:28,250
So how can I have 2 more questions for you?
561
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:29,069
Is that okay?
562
00:28:29,369 --> 00:28:29,450
Yeah.
563
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:29,950
Okay.
564
00:28:30,274 --> 00:28:30,774
Sure.
565
00:28:30,914 --> 00:28:33,474
So how can people find you?
566
00:28:33,474 --> 00:28:35,174
How can people get a hold of you?
567
00:28:35,794 --> 00:28:39,095
If they want information, how can they find
Sufjan?
568
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:45,210
They can, email me.
569
00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:45,710
Okay.
570
00:28:46,089 --> 00:28:46,589
Yeah.
571
00:28:46,809 --> 00:29:00,365
So they can, they can, send me just to, for a
lot of people send me a lot a lot of details
572
00:29:00,505 --> 00:29:01,785
about their health.
573
00:29:01,785 --> 00:29:02,285
Okay.
574
00:29:03,144 --> 00:29:05,484
Or they ask me, can you heal this?
575
00:29:05,865 --> 00:29:06,744
Can you heal that?
576
00:29:06,744 --> 00:29:09,785
They label it as the way the doctor label it.
577
00:29:09,785 --> 00:29:10,265
Yeah.
578
00:29:10,265 --> 00:29:10,765
Or,
579
00:29:11,859 --> 00:29:16,019
is there it's like, do we have some do you
treat that?
580
00:29:16,019 --> 00:29:16,980
Do you treat this?
581
00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:17,480
Right.
582
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:25,240
And, importantly, sometimes, there are you can
have common symptoms with different causes.
583
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:25,940
Yep.
584
00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:29,815
And my business is to find and relieve causes.
585
00:29:30,595 --> 00:29:35,815
So I'm even asking the patient, please do not
tell me to match.
586
00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:37,174
I don't wanna know.
587
00:29:37,234 --> 00:29:39,474
I don't I don't wanna hear this.
588
00:29:39,474 --> 00:29:40,855
I don't wanna hear this.
589
00:29:41,059 --> 00:29:41,380
No.
590
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:41,460
No.
591
00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:41,619
No.
592
00:29:41,619 --> 00:29:42,119
No.
593
00:29:42,259 --> 00:29:45,720
So would the best way to get a a hold of you be
on your website?
594
00:29:45,859 --> 00:29:47,880
Can people email you through your website?
595
00:29:48,019 --> 00:29:48,259
Yeah.
596
00:29:48,259 --> 00:29:48,660
Of course.
597
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:49,240
Of course.
598
00:29:49,299 --> 00:29:51,480
What is your website address, please?
599
00:29:52,500 --> 00:30:03,845
So my website address is my name, brush,
brache, dartosteel, like austeelpath
600
00:30:04,384 --> 00:30:04,884
Yep.
601
00:30:06,065 --> 00:30:07,765
At g mail dot com.
602
00:30:08,259 --> 00:30:08,500
Okay.
603
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:10,599
So that that's your that's your email address.
604
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:10,980
Right?
605
00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:11,940
That's my email address.
606
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:12,179
Yeah.
607
00:30:12,179 --> 00:30:12,419
Okay.
608
00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:15,380
So it's s u f y a n No.
609
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:15,619
No.
610
00:30:15,619 --> 00:30:15,940
Sorry.
611
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:16,339
That no.
612
00:30:16,339 --> 00:30:16,579
No.
613
00:30:16,579 --> 00:30:16,819
No.
614
00:30:16,819 --> 00:30:18,039
It's my surname
615
00:30:18,660 --> 00:30:19,059
first.
616
00:30:19,059 --> 00:30:19,559
Okay.
617
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:22,919
Then dot austeo
618
00:30:23,664 --> 00:30:24,164
Okay.
619
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:25,365
Atgmail.com.
620
00:30:25,904 --> 00:30:29,065
Like, brush, b r a c h e Okay.
621
00:30:29,424 --> 00:30:29,924
Dotausteo8gmail.com.
622
00:30:33,984 --> 00:30:44,160
Brush, b r a c h a, b r a c h e at osteo, o s t
dot osteo dot osteo.
623
00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:47,900
G at g mail dot com.
624
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,440
Is there an 8 in there anywhere?
625
00:30:50,215 --> 00:30:50,615
Sorry?
626
00:30:50,615 --> 00:30:51,654
Not not number 8.
627
00:30:51,654 --> 00:30:52,375
Just dots.
628
00:30:52,375 --> 00:30:52,875
No.
629
00:30:53,095 --> 00:30:53,174
No.
630
00:30:53,174 --> 00:30:53,654
Not in here.
631
00:30:53,654 --> 00:30:53,894
Yes.
632
00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:54,215
Yeah.
633
00:30:54,215 --> 00:30:54,855
I'll put it in.
634
00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:57,674
I'll make sure that that it's in the
description on the video.
635
00:30:58,295 --> 00:31:03,095
There's you know, if you take my name and
surname on the net, you you would find me you
636
00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:04,019
would find my site.
637
00:31:04,019 --> 00:31:04,980
And if Okay.
638
00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:05,460
So I'll
639
00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:06,279
just Bosch.
640
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:07,720
I mean, Google.
641
00:31:07,779 --> 00:31:08,259
Osteo.
642
00:31:08,259 --> 00:31:09,700
Osteopath, and you would find me.
643
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:09,859
Okay.
644
00:31:09,859 --> 00:31:10,359
Osteopath.
645
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:10,580
Okay.
646
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:14,519
So Sufjan, s u f y a n b r a c h e, Osteo.
647
00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:15,539
Yes.
648
00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:19,525
Just drop that into Google, and you'll they'll
find your website, and they'll they'll be able
649
00:31:19,525 --> 00:31:20,585
to connect with you.
650
00:31:20,965 --> 00:31:21,924
Oh, thank you so much.
651
00:31:21,924 --> 00:31:22,244
Thank you
652
00:31:22,244 --> 00:31:22,644
so much.
653
00:31:22,644 --> 00:31:23,924
So I have one more question for you.
654
00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:24,325
Okay?
655
00:31:24,325 --> 00:31:24,724
Yes.
656
00:31:24,724 --> 00:31:25,224
Please.
657
00:31:25,285 --> 00:31:29,845
What is the single most important thing that
you want the listeners to come away with from
658
00:31:29,845 --> 00:31:30,585
this discussion?
659
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:35,150
Sing the most important thing.
660
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:47,265
Listeners, if you mean, by listeners, somebody
that want to take care of his health.
661
00:31:47,484 --> 00:31:47,984
Yep.
662
00:31:49,164 --> 00:32:06,779
There are so many things that are untrue that
people assume just by the their culture about
663
00:32:06,779 --> 00:32:18,335
health, which make them be, like, losing hope,
because they have been told that this is not
664
00:32:18,394 --> 00:32:24,255
treatable or this is not something they should
complain about.
665
00:32:24,315 --> 00:32:25,215
It's minor.
666
00:32:26,475 --> 00:32:28,919
Or that's number 1.
667
00:32:28,919 --> 00:32:31,500
I would ask one one more thing, which is very
important.
668
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,220
Yep.
669
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:40,380
Anything anything, like, just said, in retailer
still, anything that bothers you, have a cause.
670
00:32:41,265 --> 00:32:42,965
And that cause have a location.
671
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:46,805
And it's treatable.
672
00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:48,224
That's powerful.
673
00:32:48,224 --> 00:32:49,605
That's powerful right there.
674
00:32:50,545 --> 00:32:54,305
So anything that bothers you has a cause, and
that cause has a location, and that's
675
00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:54,805
treatable.
676
00:32:55,369 --> 00:32:57,230
So it sounds like health is a decision.
677
00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:58,570
Yes.
678
00:32:58,570 --> 00:32:59,470
It's a choice.
679
00:33:00,570 --> 00:33:00,890
Yes.
680
00:33:00,890 --> 00:33:08,910
And the power is within each and every one of
us to understand what the cause is.
681
00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:11,150
That's it.
682
00:33:12,674 --> 00:33:13,174
Bingo.
683
00:33:14,755 --> 00:33:15,815
You nailed it.
684
00:33:16,355 --> 00:33:18,535
So what part of the world are you in, Sufjan?
685
00:33:20,035 --> 00:33:22,775
Actually, I'm a French citizen, but I'm living
in Poland.
686
00:33:22,994 --> 00:33:23,234
You're a
687
00:33:23,234 --> 00:33:24,595
French citizen living in Poland.
688
00:33:24,595 --> 00:33:26,295
What time is it in Poland right now?
689
00:33:27,569 --> 00:33:29,349
It's around 9:30.
690
00:33:29,809 --> 00:33:30,309
9:30.
691
00:33:30,369 --> 00:33:30,450
Okay.
692
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:32,470
So it's 1:30 here in New Mexico.
693
00:33:32,849 --> 00:33:33,170
Okay.
694
00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:37,009
I really I really appreciate you taking some
time and staying up.
695
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:39,414
So it's been a real pleasure talking to you.
696
00:33:39,455 --> 00:33:39,955
You.
697
00:33:40,095 --> 00:33:41,455
It was a mutual pleasure.
698
00:33:41,455 --> 00:33:42,015
Thank you so much.
699
00:33:42,015 --> 00:33:42,734
Thank you so much.
700
00:33:42,734 --> 00:33:44,095
Appreciate you.
701
00:33:44,095 --> 00:33:44,914
See you soon.
702
00:33:45,055 --> 00:33:48,355
Thanks for joining me for another edition of
Vision Cast Network.
703
00:33:48,815 --> 00:33:53,315
For intention, collaboration and technology
gathering service to humanity.
704
00:33:53,535 --> 00:33:57,380
That was coming at you all the way from Poland.
705
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:58,960
Hope you enjoyed the discussion.
706
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,980
If you enjoyed this video, go ahead and like
and subscribe and pass it on to other people.
707
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,839
Until the next time, it's Christian Raphael,
your host signing off.
708
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:06,240
Take care.
709
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,119
Have a great day.
710
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:07,619
Blessings.
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,019
So, Sylvian, tell me tell me what it was like
to have this discussion.
2
00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:05,779
That was a nice experience.
3
00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:06,899
Nice experience.
4
00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:07,440
Yeah.
5
00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:17,425
That was a nice experience because, I, I had to
formulate what I, what I think.
6
00:00:17,425 --> 00:00:22,164
And I had to 1st of all, I liked this
atmosphere.
7
00:00:22,785 --> 00:00:23,765
You like the atmosphere?
8
00:00:23,824 --> 00:00:23,984
Yeah.
9
00:00:23,984 --> 00:00:24,644
The atmosphere.
10
00:00:24,785 --> 00:00:25,285
Yeah.
11
00:00:25,345 --> 00:00:33,329
Number 2, I would say that thank you for this
question because you nailed some key points.
12
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You're very welcome.
13
00:00:35,390 --> 00:00:35,890
Yeah.
14
00:00:36,190 --> 00:00:37,149
You are very welcome.
15
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I think you have a gift.
16
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Thank you.
17
00:00:39,390 --> 00:00:40,109
Thank you so much.
18
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You have a gift.
19
00:00:40,750 --> 00:00:45,645
I think that, you know, we you you did a scan
for me the other night and you nailed things on
20
00:00:45,645 --> 00:00:51,825
the head and pin were able to pinpoint them to
times in my life where things happened.
21
00:00:52,685 --> 00:00:56,979
And you told me, don't tell me anything about
what's going on in your life.
22
00:00:56,979 --> 00:00:57,780
I don't wanna know.
23
00:00:57,780 --> 00:00:59,539
I I don't wanna I don't wanna know.
24
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Don't tell me.
25
00:01:00,259 --> 00:01:00,379
Don't tell me.
26
00:01:00,379 --> 00:01:00,899
Don't tell me.
27
00:01:00,899 --> 00:01:01,780
Don't tell me.
28
00:01:01,780 --> 00:01:02,019
Yeah.
29
00:01:02,019 --> 00:01:03,159
I wanna keep objective.
30
00:01:03,780 --> 00:01:04,920
You wanna keep it objective.
31
00:01:04,979 --> 00:01:11,545
And and you were able to to to describe what I
might be able what I might be experiencing
32
00:01:11,924 --> 00:01:13,944
based on what you saw.
33
00:01:15,125 --> 00:01:18,724
So I'd I'd like to, you know, I'd like to offer
one thought on that.
34
00:01:18,724 --> 00:01:20,405
Is that okay with you to offer a thought?
35
00:01:20,405 --> 00:01:20,805
Yeah.
36
00:01:20,805 --> 00:01:25,010
It seems like it it seems like based on what I
experienced personally Yes.
37
00:01:25,090 --> 00:01:31,010
That you work in the quantum field of
awareness, that you work in a field of
38
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awareness which is very different than a a
diagnostic tool that you might find in a
39
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doctor's office or a tricore lab or a blood lab
or, you know, allopathic diagnostic tools which
40
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are valuable.
41
00:01:47,344 --> 00:01:52,599
I think they have their I think it's like if
somebody has a, you know, a gaping head wound,
42
00:01:53,620 --> 00:01:56,680
they they need to go to the ER and get stitched
up.
43
00:01:57,459 --> 00:01:57,959
Right?
44
00:01:58,020 --> 00:01:58,500
Yeah.
45
00:01:58,500 --> 00:02:03,219
If they break if they break their arm, they
need to go to the they need to go to and get
46
00:02:03,219 --> 00:02:04,439
that taken care of.
47
00:02:04,924 --> 00:02:12,764
But I would offer that there's probably a cause
that led to those experiences somewhere in
48
00:02:12,764 --> 00:02:17,245
their past that it was reflected as tension in
the body.
49
00:02:17,245 --> 00:02:17,745
Yes?
50
00:02:17,884 --> 00:02:18,240
True.
51
00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:18,560
True.
52
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,439
Completely armed.
53
00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:20,159
Thank you.
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So welcome back to Vision Cast Network, where
intention collaboration and technology gather
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in service to humanity.
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Today's special guest is Sufjan Rasch, and he's
an osteopath and DO by training.
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But he's not just another osteopath and DO.
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He's a therapist as well, and I'm excited to
have this discussion with him.
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So it's great to see you and to meet you
actually in Zoom person.
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How are you doing?
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Very good.
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Thank you.
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Sure.
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Beautiful.
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So let's open up the conversation by, giving us
an idea of your backstory and what led you to
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be doing the work that you're doing now.
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Accidentally.
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Accidentally.
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Yeah.
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Literally.
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You know, when I was, like, just before the
university, was I I was not planning to study
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anything about health or to and, like, I just
put, I just, like, choose to be a doctor, like,
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physician
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Okay.
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By default.
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And I went to the university in France in
Bordeaux, and that was like and at that time,
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it was like a tough exam.
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We were like 800, and they took the best 60 5th
student.
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And I was, like, studying, like, learning about
global, let's say, culture.
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And, of course, I get a quite decent mark, but
not enough to get graduated.
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And I was like, I was like, I did 1st year.
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I had an opportunity to redo it again.
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Okay.
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Still, next 2nd year, decent mark.
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And that year, I started to worry about my
future, and I talked to a friend which, was
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next to me, and I told her her name I still
remember it was Stephanie.
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I said, Stephanie.
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Stephanie.
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Stephanie.
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If that time, you don't succeed to be, like, at
the top 65 students, so you would be choosing
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to go to 2nd year of medicine, what what would
it do?
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And she told me, I'll be, actually, I was
thinking about being a physiotherapist.
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Okay.
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I say, okay, what is physiotherapy?
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And she explained me, and I say, oh, looks
sounds good.
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I would do just like you.
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And be because I did not succeed, I started to
to to yeah.
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I I I I did my physiotherapy, like, school
interest examination, and I could, and I was
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chosen, and then I entered to a new universe,
which I found quite nice.
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And then when I finished my studies, I kept in
a relationship with with another student.
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His name is Ludovic, and we were, like, calling
each other after our physical therapy studies.
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And I one one day, I was I called him because I
didn't I didn't feel that this is it, you know,
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about how to treat a person.
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And we're having a long conversation over the
phone because he was living in another place in
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France, you know, city called whatever,
Toulouse.
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And and I told him, hey, Ludovic, okay, okay,
you do agree, but what would you do?
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And he said, you know, this is, from the next
year, I'll be learning, osteopathy.
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And he said, okay, Lubick.
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Can you please tell me what is osteopathy?
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And he he and then he explained.
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I said, oh, sure.
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I'm gonna make I'm gonna do the same.
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So that's this is how I came in to
osteoporosis.
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But just pause right there for a moment.
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This is fascinating.
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So what I heard you say is that you started off
being a medical doctor, studying, to be a
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medical doctor, and it's very competitive.
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Yes.
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And then you thought, no.
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That's not gonna work for me.
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Then you went into physical therapy Yes.
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And you said, okay.
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I'm through that.
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I I've I've accomplished that goal, but I have
doubts about whether or not this is really what
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I desire to do in life.
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You had you had 2 challenges.
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You had 2 challenges that the first one, you
you met the challenge and you said, okay.
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This didn't work out.
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I'm gonna do something else.
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2nd one, you made it through, but then I was
like, okay.
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This is not in alignment with my values.
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Exactly.
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So so 2 and and what was the period of time did
that took?
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How many years did that take?
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Like, to study physical therapy?
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From the beginning of becoming deciding to be a
medical doctor to completing physical therapy
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training.
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I would from 1998 to, 2002.
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Like, 4 years.
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That's 4 years?
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So you invested 4 years to find out what you
didn't really wanna do.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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6 years.
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6 years.
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6 years.
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So you invested 6 years to find out what you
didn't really didn't wanna do.
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So and that time is not refundable.
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Now I I would imagine that most people would
feel discouraged after that.
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of those were.
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The average person might feel like, oh my gosh.
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I invested 6 years of my life.
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I can't get that time back, and I still don't
know what I'm gonna do.
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Right?
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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You mean, like, how much time I spent to learn
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Medicine, like conventional medicine?
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Like, 2 years or 2 years.
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Just 2 years in university?
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Then then physical therapy?
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Like, it took me 4 more years?
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That's the 6 so a lot of people would say, oh
my gosh.
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You know, I've invested 6 years.
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I'm not really where I wanna be.
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Oh, woe is me.
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And that is really why one of the reasons I
wanted to have you on this podcast as a guest.
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So just to take a quick break, you know,
VisionCast Network, it really is about
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And it's oftentimes that we push against the
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is that we wanna go.
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the one we're having with Sufjan.
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And so you decided then to study osteopathy.
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And how did that go?
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This is your, like, your 3rd your 3rd trip
around the sun if
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you were in 3rd adventure.
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The 3rd.
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But in in meantime, after my physical therapy
studies, I started to get interested with
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Chinese medicine, which I
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found.
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Medicine.
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And I did, like, just by my own by buying books
and Okay.
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But I and then, like, I kept all the time
learning Chinese medicine, and, I started my
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osteopathy studies, and it took me, like, 6
years to get graduated, like, from 2,003 until
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it's it was a really good thing to have, like,
in the background, Chinese medicine because I
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made a lot of connections and between
osteopathy and Chinese medicine.
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So is this traditional Chinese medicine that
you studied?
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TC.
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TC.
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TC.
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That is that is a wonderful that is a wonderful
practice.
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So another 6 years.
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So you're 12 years in.
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And so what happened after the what happened in
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What what is is this, like, is this the happy
ending you were looking for or did something
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It was, like, closer to
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Closer to it was not it yet.
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I'm getting closer.
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You're getting closer.
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So you've invested you've invested 12 years of
nonrefundable time.
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It's 43180 days of your life.
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I just took a math.
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It's 43 180 days of your life.
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We can figure out how many minutes and seconds,
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And so so what was that like to invest 12 years
and to realize, okay, I'm getting closer, but
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I'm not quite there yet?
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You know, I don't see it this way because, to
me, learning, how to treat people is a journey.
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that journey will never end.
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Say more about that.
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Say more about that.
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Say map some say more, please, about the
journey will never end.
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Something it's like something because as you
say, life is time life is limited.
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And and you know that you need maybe a lot a
lot of time, and you will probably never have
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And but the goal is I don't want to get to it.
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It's but I know I cannot get to it.
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But let's get the closest possible.
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Let's get to as close as possible.
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As I can.
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Because, you know, I need maybe 10 lives or
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So the the closest I will get to, to that the
point, it's like more it's it's something that
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cannot happen.
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It's something I just try to be closer and
closer and closer.
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So for me, it's a journey.
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It's the journey.
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So you don't measure yourself.
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Sounds like you were not measuring yourself
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You were measuring yourself against the journey
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I'm having a direction.
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I'm having a direction.
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That's it.
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And I'm keeping going.
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And he's gonna keep going because because
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gonna go by.
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And so sounds like you were getting really,
really close.
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So what then happened after your, your your
osteopathy and, TCM combination.
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What happened?
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How did you then get into kind of therapy and
how did you how did you how did that occur?
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What was the next big step for you?
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The next big step was I mean, like, I have to,
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Wonderful teacher.
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When I was studying osteo, but he,
unfortunately, he died.
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I don't know during COVID time, but I don't
know what killed him exactly, importantly.
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But he was he inspired me so much, and he was,
like, telling me, you keep doing what you do.
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It's like he was observing me and said, hey.
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You keep doing what you do.
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And that gave me a huge power.
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Because when I was when I finished my studies,
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oh, this is not exactly what they what I have
been taught, you know, so it does not fit.
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And it's it might look like it might look like
who are you?
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Your teacher don't, have, like, minimum maybe
15 or 20 years experience, and you would say
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that this is not true.
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So you need a lot of confidence.
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And fortunately, I met the teacher that gave me
that confidence because this this this teacher
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had, like, 30 years.
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And he said, you keep you keep doing this.
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You keep, like, dig dig deeper.
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You have to dig.
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Deep digging.
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Yes.
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So what what did your teacher see in you?
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I really don't know because after being
graduated, he used to when I used to call him
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because I'm reading a lot of questions that
was, like, wondering me.
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And each time he was, like, picking up the
phone, he'd say, hey, Sufjan, how are you?
321
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Did you write your book?
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I said, what are you talking about?
323
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And I go, I'm learning.
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I'm far from writing any book.
325
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And he said, oh, okay.
326
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We'll talk about that later.
327
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Yeah.
328
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So he was like it's like he was, like, giving
me the most confidence positive.
329
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Yes.
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He was trying hard to give me confidence.
331
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So do you mind if I ask you a question about
that?
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Of course.
333
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No.
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I mean, would what do you know what I know
exactly.
335
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So so so why do you think he had that so why do
you think that he had so much confidence in
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you?
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What is it about you that he think do you think
that he saw?
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If you had to, like, if you had to, like, maybe
see it through his eyes, what do you think he
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was seeing when he looked at you that gave him
that confidence?
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To be honest with you, I don't know.
341
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I was even upset at him because sometimes
during the course, I was asking him, like,
342
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question, very precise questions.
343
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Like yeah.
344
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And he was, like, answering to to other
students, and he was, like, telling me, okay.
345
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But it's you, Sufian.
346
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Don't mind about what I say.
347
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You keep doing what you what you do.
348
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And I was like, hey.
349
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I was asking something precise to you.
350
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I want an answer.
351
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And I was like, no.
352
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No.
353
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No.
354
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You keep doing what you want.
355
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So you were upset that he wasn't treating it
sounds like you were upset that he wasn't
356
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treating you like other students.
357
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Yes.
358
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And that he was at the same time, asking that
you, Cifion, go ahead and follow some internal
359
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clock or some internal guidance or some
internal win some inner wisdom to learn.
360
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Yeah.
361
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Yeah.
362
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Yeah.
363
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I was like, I was thinking that he just didn't
want to answer, and he was giving me that.
364
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He thought maybe he doesn't wanna answer, but
in reality, perhaps he was saying, you know
365
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what?
366
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Go out and apply the knowledge or or keep keep
opening your mind up.
367
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So the reason I'm asking this question is I was
talking to a colleague just last night, who is
368
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brilliant, and I can see it.
369
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However, I don't know that they see it.
370
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And sounds like you had a sounds like you had a
really great mentor, somebody that that
371
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believed in you and was important to you in
your life and made a difference.
372
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When I look back When
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you look back, you can see it now.
374
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Right?
375
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Yeah.
376
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Now.
377
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Now.
378
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So that that was that was a major moment.
379
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So now you are, what what is that?
380
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That's that's 18 years in.
381
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Is that correct?
382
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Or how many years in?
383
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When it happened, it was, like, 2,009 and 2009.
384
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2009, 2010, 2000 until 2014, 15.
385
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He was he was there, ready for answering to any
question, pushing me to write that book.
386
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I don't know what what where this idea came
from.
387
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And, then I was more but he gave me confidence.
388
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He gave me he gave me, the will to believe in
myself.
389
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Yep.
390
00:17:28,670 --> 00:17:31,730
He gave me the power to believe in myself and
say, okay.
391
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That's my way.
392
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It's not you know, health is not a
contradiction.
393
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It's just a a method is a point of view.
394
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Yes.
395
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It's a point of view.
396
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But that sounds like that point of view for you
came from some difficulty, some starts and
397
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stops, some walls, some restarts, some
developing the ability to rely on your inner
398
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wisdom, then apply that inner wisdom so that
you now, can serve at a higher level.
399
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That's kind of the story that I'm hearing now.
400
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And that that process took some time in the way
that you that you approached it is I'm gonna
401
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measure myself against progress, not against
some ultimate goal.
402
00:18:30,349 --> 00:18:31,809
Am I hearing that all correctly?
403
00:18:32,349 --> 00:18:32,830
Yeah.
404
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I think so.
405
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This is what I do think now about that.
406
00:18:36,255 --> 00:18:36,755
Yeah.
407
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Yeah.
408
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So so let me ask you a question.
409
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How do you use that experience, that wisdom
that you gained, in a therapeutic environment
410
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to serve your clients?
411
00:18:53,740 --> 00:18:59,680
Would say, like, the I would say it this way.
412
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Each time I, started to doubt about what I have
learned, it ended up by being the beginning of
413
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a huge step forward in term of understanding
how health, works, what how the body works, how
414
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all what is linked to health works.
415
00:19:31,169 --> 00:19:36,994
So I would say that his name is Mathura,
Mathura.
416
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In France, we say Mathura.
417
00:19:39,535 --> 00:19:49,634
And, and, this teacher, just at the end, he
it's like he hammered something in me, like,
418
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keep doing, keep doing, believe, believe.
419
00:19:52,460 --> 00:19:56,640
It's a matter of of of believing in myself.
420
00:19:57,099 --> 00:20:06,055
And and he gave me that power, so I kept
digging and digging and digging and just
421
00:20:06,055 --> 00:20:07,355
doubting on everything.
422
00:20:08,455 --> 00:20:12,714
And this time, I I had, like, an obstacle.
423
00:20:14,455 --> 00:20:18,720
I just noticed that it was because I had a
belief that was untrue.
424
00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:24,059
I I assume things I assume things that were not
true at the end.
425
00:20:24,059 --> 00:20:26,799
I assume them because I have learned them.
426
00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:29,920
Wow.
427
00:20:30,525 --> 00:20:37,585
So doubt was the catalyst for self reflection
and then ultimately change.
428
00:20:38,924 --> 00:20:44,319
So you didn't look at doubt as something that
was, you know, wrong or unnatural.
429
00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:47,690
It was a it's a part
430
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of life.
431
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,419
Is that correct?
432
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Yeah.
433
00:20:54,679 --> 00:20:55,720
I would say it's yeah.
434
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,519
I would say so.
435
00:20:56,519 --> 00:20:57,160
I would say that.
436
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:06,945
You know, you when you get a let's call it a
knowledge from somebody that is, like, good
437
00:21:06,945 --> 00:21:08,251
reputation Yeah.
438
00:21:08,358 --> 00:21:13,940
A lot of experience, you would think this is
the truth.
439
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,480
Yeah.
440
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,299
To the truth.
441
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:15,940
Yep.
442
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:24,615
And this, like, what we call knowledge, may
might may make you struggle with it for years
443
00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:31,335
years until you understand that that was not
that wasn't true or that was quite partially
444
00:21:31,474 --> 00:21:31,974
untrue.
445
00:21:32,194 --> 00:21:41,289
And this is how I stepped up just by doubting
what I assumed because it it came from persons
446
00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:44,250
that were supposed to know more than me.
447
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:49,190
So it came from a healthy place, but the other
thing that I heard you say here is that 2
448
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:49,430
things.
449
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:54,825
Number 1, the information came from a healthy
place, It was earned after years of your own
450
00:21:54,825 --> 00:21:56,605
self discovery in your own process.
451
00:21:57,304 --> 00:22:04,904
And then you applied that knowledge to validate
what you were experiencing and seeing and you
452
00:22:04,904 --> 00:22:09,970
questioned it along the way and just kept that
process over and over and over again and that
453
00:22:09,970 --> 00:22:13,190
you've arrived at what what did that take you
to?
454
00:22:13,649 --> 00:22:18,690
The process that you that I just described,
that iterative round and around process, what
455
00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:20,389
is that taking you to now?
456
00:22:21,005 --> 00:22:27,085
And now in December of 2024, how would you say
that's shaped your life and your practice and
457
00:22:27,085 --> 00:22:28,305
how you serve people?
458
00:22:31,565 --> 00:22:39,839
You know, I'm it's it's it's really interesting
because, you know, if you are patient by
459
00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,019
something, you have to pay the price.
460
00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:49,965
This there is it's it's not, like, just the so
I would say that, like, socially, if you are
461
00:22:49,965 --> 00:22:53,505
constantly thinking about health, the body,
there's no vacation.
462
00:22:54,045 --> 00:22:57,644
You can be whatever in in in the other side of
the planet.
463
00:22:57,644 --> 00:23:04,840
If in your mind, you are constantly brain
brainwashing yourself and thinking about, okay,
464
00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:14,119
last time I had I didn't achieve my goals in
terms of efficiency with that person.
465
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:14,820
Why that?
466
00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:17,779
I have maybe I'm having a wrong vision.
467
00:23:17,779 --> 00:23:21,674
Maybe I should dub something, I assume,
etcetera etcetera.
468
00:23:21,974 --> 00:23:30,134
So, of course, you have to pay the price in
terms of, I wouldn't say that it's so bad in my
469
00:23:30,134 --> 00:23:38,080
private life, but it's when I think I look back
about all these years, each time I I could see
470
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:46,180
something besides somebody patient, there is a
pry in personal life, there is a price to pay.
471
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,244
And, this is one this is one thing.
472
00:23:50,244 --> 00:23:56,904
And the second thing is, like, you have to
feel, you have to accept being rejected because
473
00:23:57,765 --> 00:24:04,105
people assume what is, like, the common
information, which is not always true.
474
00:24:04,639 --> 00:24:06,880
They just they don't need the truth.
475
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,339
They need something coherent
476
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,460
Okay.
477
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,299
Being true or not.
478
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:22,904
So you have to, you have to face that, but you
have also but it opens up for you a whole new
479
00:24:22,904 --> 00:24:28,365
word of, of knowledge and about how the body
works.
480
00:24:28,664 --> 00:24:34,509
I I don't know if I I I that was what you I I I
answered to your question.
481
00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:37,609
That that that's fascinating, and I appreciate
I appreciate that.
482
00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:38,809
It brings up more questions.
483
00:24:38,809 --> 00:24:39,630
So I'm curious.
484
00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:43,869
People come to you because they are
experiencing what?
485
00:24:44,009 --> 00:24:46,349
And then how do you treat them?
486
00:24:47,085 --> 00:24:51,025
Like, give us an example of a recent case maybe
that you've been working on.
487
00:24:52,525 --> 00:24:57,404
Somebody came to you for something, and then
this is how you treated it, and then these are
488
00:24:57,404 --> 00:24:58,784
the results that they experienced.
489
00:25:01,529 --> 00:25:03,390
Oh, there's all kind of things.
490
00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:15,095
An example, people like, a child, which was 3
years old, they couldn't, still talk.
491
00:25:15,474 --> 00:25:15,974
Okay.
492
00:25:16,035 --> 00:25:20,535
And, yeah, and it was some tension in the body
that had to be relieved.
493
00:25:21,234 --> 00:25:26,054
And, this is one example, among the others.
494
00:25:26,914 --> 00:25:31,950
And, like, of course, parents, they tried
everything.
495
00:25:32,089 --> 00:25:37,369
And, of course, they just titties, like, they
did not trust me.
496
00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:39,450
They were, like, skeptic wishes.
497
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,109
I understand.
498
00:25:40,169 --> 00:25:41,289
I'm I'm okay with that.
499
00:25:41,289 --> 00:25:41,529
No.
500
00:25:41,529 --> 00:25:46,325
I'm I I I'm more than I'm, I'm in peace with
with that.
501
00:25:46,785 --> 00:25:50,085
And This this 3 year old child couldn't talk.
502
00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:51,365
Parent was skeptical.
503
00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:52,384
Yep.
504
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:56,785
So so what is it that you did to support this 3
year old child and probably, I guess, their
505
00:25:56,785 --> 00:25:57,424
parents as well.
506
00:25:57,424 --> 00:25:58,965
They got some support as well.
507
00:26:00,529 --> 00:26:07,910
My work is to check where the tensions are in
the body and relieve them.
508
00:26:08,369 --> 00:26:11,410
You check where the tension is in the body and
then relieve the tension.
509
00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:11,730
Okay.
510
00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:12,789
And relieve the tensions.
511
00:26:12,849 --> 00:26:18,945
And healing is not actually my business.
512
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:24,785
My business is to relieve and remove obstacles.
513
00:26:25,644 --> 00:26:27,904
Ah, so For self healing.
514
00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:29,470
For self healing.
515
00:26:29,529 --> 00:26:30,029
Yeah.
516
00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:32,730
And the body does the rest right after the
session.
517
00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:33,690
Body does the rest.
518
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:36,670
So you you identify where the tension is in the
body.
519
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:37,710
Yes.
520
00:26:37,769 --> 00:26:40,509
And I do relieve That can relieve that tension.
521
00:26:40,924 --> 00:26:41,325
Yes.
522
00:26:41,325 --> 00:26:44,684
And then the body the body knows how to bring
itself into balance.
523
00:26:44,684 --> 00:26:46,224
The body understands homeostasis.
524
00:26:46,684 --> 00:26:47,984
It understands balance.
525
00:26:48,444 --> 00:26:48,944
Exactly.
526
00:26:49,164 --> 00:26:49,565
Exactly.
527
00:26:49,565 --> 00:26:55,490
So you just identify where the tension is,
relieve the tension, and then the body kind of,
528
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:58,690
like, just springs back like a spring that's
all wound up.
529
00:26:58,690 --> 00:27:00,630
It's like when you release, it's like, oh.
530
00:27:01,329 --> 00:27:01,829
Exactly.
531
00:27:02,369 --> 00:27:10,375
You know, my website, and, I'm just, like,
looking for a quote by the just the inventor of
532
00:27:10,375 --> 00:27:10,875
Austibody.
533
00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:11,755
Okay.
534
00:27:12,134 --> 00:27:16,795
And it's I thought about that when I was making
my website in 2016.
535
00:27:17,575 --> 00:27:20,455
And when I I found out, I say, hey.
536
00:27:20,455 --> 00:27:22,234
That's exactly what I'm doing.
537
00:27:22,295 --> 00:27:29,650
I was so happy that I get to what he said, and
his his name is Andrew Taylor still.
538
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:41,345
And he said, any variation from health has a
cause, and the cause has a location.
539
00:27:42,525 --> 00:27:49,910
It is the business of the osteopath to locate
and remove the cause, doing away with the
540
00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:52,009
disease and getting health instead.
541
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:58,009
That's and, like, whatever is the method,
that's the thing.
542
00:27:58,069 --> 00:27:58,970
That's the goal.
543
00:27:59,029 --> 00:28:00,890
So you're you're really a facilitator.
544
00:28:02,954 --> 00:28:04,115
I guess so.
545
00:28:04,115 --> 00:28:04,954
I guess so.
546
00:28:04,954 --> 00:28:05,855
In some ways.
547
00:28:06,154 --> 00:28:06,554
Yeah.
548
00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:12,174
You you are you are a facilitator in supporting
the body's natural healing ability.
549
00:28:13,115 --> 00:28:13,515
Yes.
550
00:28:13,515 --> 00:28:14,654
Which is very powerful.
551
00:28:14,714 --> 00:28:15,674
Which is very powerful.
552
00:28:15,674 --> 00:28:15,994
Yes.
553
00:28:15,994 --> 00:28:16,734
It's omnipotent.
554
00:28:17,609 --> 00:28:18,109
Exactly.
555
00:28:18,569 --> 00:28:21,450
As long as you relieve the
556
00:28:21,823 --> 00:28:22,410
is released.
557
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:22,890
Right?
558
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:23,210
Yeah.
559
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:24,109
Which is intentions.
560
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:28,250
So how can I have 2 more questions for you?
561
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:29,069
Is that okay?
562
00:28:29,369 --> 00:28:29,450
Yeah.
563
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:29,950
Okay.
564
00:28:30,274 --> 00:28:30,774
Sure.
565
00:28:30,914 --> 00:28:33,474
So how can people find you?
566
00:28:33,474 --> 00:28:35,174
How can people get a hold of you?
567
00:28:35,794 --> 00:28:39,095
If they want information, how can they find
Sufjan?
568
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:45,210
They can, email me.
569
00:28:45,210 --> 00:28:45,710
Okay.
570
00:28:46,089 --> 00:28:46,589
Yeah.
571
00:28:46,809 --> 00:29:00,365
So they can, they can, send me just to, for a
lot of people send me a lot a lot of details
572
00:29:00,505 --> 00:29:01,785
about their health.
573
00:29:01,785 --> 00:29:02,285
Okay.
574
00:29:03,144 --> 00:29:05,484
Or they ask me, can you heal this?
575
00:29:05,865 --> 00:29:06,744
Can you heal that?
576
00:29:06,744 --> 00:29:09,785
They label it as the way the doctor label it.
577
00:29:09,785 --> 00:29:10,265
Yeah.
578
00:29:10,265 --> 00:29:10,765
Or,
579
00:29:11,859 --> 00:29:16,019
is there it's like, do we have some do you
treat that?
580
00:29:16,019 --> 00:29:16,980
Do you treat this?
581
00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:17,480
Right.
582
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:25,240
And, importantly, sometimes, there are you can
have common symptoms with different causes.
583
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:25,940
Yep.
584
00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:29,815
And my business is to find and relieve causes.
585
00:29:30,595 --> 00:29:35,815
So I'm even asking the patient, please do not
tell me to match.
586
00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:37,174
I don't wanna know.
587
00:29:37,234 --> 00:29:39,474
I don't I don't wanna hear this.
588
00:29:39,474 --> 00:29:40,855
I don't wanna hear this.
589
00:29:41,059 --> 00:29:41,380
No.
590
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:41,460
No.
591
00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:41,619
No.
592
00:29:41,619 --> 00:29:42,119
No.
593
00:29:42,259 --> 00:29:45,720
So would the best way to get a a hold of you be
on your website?
594
00:29:45,859 --> 00:29:47,880
Can people email you through your website?
595
00:29:48,019 --> 00:29:48,259
Yeah.
596
00:29:48,259 --> 00:29:48,660
Of course.
597
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:49,240
Of course.
598
00:29:49,299 --> 00:29:51,480
What is your website address, please?
599
00:29:52,500 --> 00:30:03,845
So my website address is my name, brush,
brache, dartosteel, like austeelpath
600
00:30:04,384 --> 00:30:04,884
Yep.
601
00:30:06,065 --> 00:30:07,765
At g mail dot com.
602
00:30:08,259 --> 00:30:08,500
Okay.
603
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:10,599
So that that's your that's your email address.
604
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:10,980
Right?
605
00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:11,940
That's my email address.
606
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:12,179
Yeah.
607
00:30:12,179 --> 00:30:12,419
Okay.
608
00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:15,380
So it's s u f y a n No.
609
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:15,619
No.
610
00:30:15,619 --> 00:30:15,940
Sorry.
611
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:16,339
That no.
612
00:30:16,339 --> 00:30:16,579
No.
613
00:30:16,579 --> 00:30:16,819
No.
614
00:30:16,819 --> 00:30:18,039
It's my surname
615
00:30:18,660 --> 00:30:19,059
first.
616
00:30:19,059 --> 00:30:19,559
Okay.
617
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:22,919
Then dot austeo
618
00:30:23,664 --> 00:30:24,164
Okay.
619
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:25,365
Atgmail.com.
620
00:30:25,904 --> 00:30:29,065
Like, brush, b r a c h e Okay.
621
00:30:29,424 --> 00:30:29,924
Dotausteo8gmail.com.
622
00:30:33,984 --> 00:30:44,160
Brush, b r a c h a, b r a c h e at osteo, o s t
dot osteo dot osteo.
623
00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:47,900
G at g mail dot com.
624
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,440
Is there an 8 in there anywhere?
625
00:30:50,215 --> 00:30:50,615
Sorry?
626
00:30:50,615 --> 00:30:51,654
Not not number 8.
627
00:30:51,654 --> 00:30:52,375
Just dots.
628
00:30:52,375 --> 00:30:52,875
No.
629
00:30:53,095 --> 00:30:53,174
No.
630
00:30:53,174 --> 00:30:53,654
Not in here.
631
00:30:53,654 --> 00:30:53,894
Yes.
632
00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:54,215
Yeah.
633
00:30:54,215 --> 00:30:54,855
I'll put it in.
634
00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:57,674
I'll make sure that that it's in the
description on the video.
635
00:30:58,295 --> 00:31:03,095
There's you know, if you take my name and
surname on the net, you you would find me you
636
00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:04,019
would find my site.
637
00:31:04,019 --> 00:31:04,980
And if Okay.
638
00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:05,460
So I'll
639
00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:06,279
just Bosch.
640
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:07,720
I mean, Google.
641
00:31:07,779 --> 00:31:08,259
Osteo.
642
00:31:08,259 --> 00:31:09,700
Osteopath, and you would find me.
643
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:09,859
Okay.
644
00:31:09,859 --> 00:31:10,359
Osteopath.
645
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:10,580
Okay.
646
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:14,519
So Sufjan, s u f y a n b r a c h e, Osteo.
647
00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:15,539
Yes.
648
00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:19,525
Just drop that into Google, and you'll they'll
find your website, and they'll they'll be able
649
00:31:19,525 --> 00:31:20,585
to connect with you.
650
00:31:20,965 --> 00:31:21,924
Oh, thank you so much.
651
00:31:21,924 --> 00:31:22,244
Thank you
652
00:31:22,244 --> 00:31:22,644
so much.
653
00:31:22,644 --> 00:31:23,924
So I have one more question for you.
654
00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:24,325
Okay?
655
00:31:24,325 --> 00:31:24,724
Yes.
656
00:31:24,724 --> 00:31:25,224
Please.
657
00:31:25,285 --> 00:31:29,845
What is the single most important thing that
you want the listeners to come away with from
658
00:31:29,845 --> 00:31:30,585
this discussion?
659
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:35,150
Sing the most important thing.
660
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:47,265
Listeners, if you mean, by listeners, somebody
that want to take care of his health.
661
00:31:47,484 --> 00:31:47,984
Yep.
662
00:31:49,164 --> 00:32:06,779
There are so many things that are untrue that
people assume just by the their culture about
663
00:32:06,779 --> 00:32:18,335
health, which make them be, like, losing hope,
because they have been told that this is not
664
00:32:18,394 --> 00:32:24,255
treatable or this is not something they should
complain about.
665
00:32:24,315 --> 00:32:25,215
It's minor.
666
00:32:26,475 --> 00:32:28,919
Or that's number 1.
667
00:32:28,919 --> 00:32:31,500
I would ask one one more thing, which is very
important.
668
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,220
Yep.
669
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:40,380
Anything anything, like, just said, in retailer
still, anything that bothers you, have a cause.
670
00:32:41,265 --> 00:32:42,965
And that cause have a location.
671
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:46,805
And it's treatable.
672
00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:48,224
That's powerful.
673
00:32:48,224 --> 00:32:49,605
That's powerful right there.
674
00:32:50,545 --> 00:32:54,305
So anything that bothers you has a cause, and
that cause has a location, and that's
675
00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:54,805
treatable.
676
00:32:55,369 --> 00:32:57,230
So it sounds like health is a decision.
677
00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:58,570
Yes.
678
00:32:58,570 --> 00:32:59,470
It's a choice.
679
00:33:00,570 --> 00:33:00,890
Yes.
680
00:33:00,890 --> 00:33:08,910
And the power is within each and every one of
us to understand what the cause is.
681
00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:11,150
That's it.
682
00:33:12,674 --> 00:33:13,174
Bingo.
683
00:33:14,755 --> 00:33:15,815
You nailed it.
684
00:33:16,355 --> 00:33:18,535
So what part of the world are you in, Sufjan?
685
00:33:20,035 --> 00:33:22,775
Actually, I'm a French citizen, but I'm living
in Poland.
686
00:33:22,994 --> 00:33:23,234
You're a
687
00:33:23,234 --> 00:33:24,595
French citizen living in Poland.
688
00:33:24,595 --> 00:33:26,295
What time is it in Poland right now?
689
00:33:27,569 --> 00:33:29,349
It's around 9:30.
690
00:33:29,809 --> 00:33:30,309
9:30.
691
00:33:30,369 --> 00:33:30,450
Okay.
692
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:32,470
So it's 1:30 here in New Mexico.
693
00:33:32,849 --> 00:33:33,170
Okay.
694
00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:37,009
I really I really appreciate you taking some
time and staying up.
695
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:39,414
So it's been a real pleasure talking to you.
696
00:33:39,455 --> 00:33:39,955
You.
697
00:33:40,095 --> 00:33:41,455
It was a mutual pleasure.
698
00:33:41,455 --> 00:33:42,015
Thank you so much.
699
00:33:42,015 --> 00:33:42,734
Thank you so much.
700
00:33:42,734 --> 00:33:44,095
Appreciate you.
701
00:33:44,095 --> 00:33:44,914
See you soon.
702
00:33:45,055 --> 00:33:48,355
Thanks for joining me for another edition of
Vision Cast Network.
703
00:33:48,815 --> 00:33:53,315
For intention, collaboration and technology
gathering service to humanity.
704
00:33:53,535 --> 00:33:57,380
That was coming at you all the way from Poland.
705
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:58,960
Hope you enjoyed the discussion.
706
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,980
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707
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,839
Until the next time, it's Christian Raphael,
your host signing off.
708
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:06,240
Take care.
709
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,119
Have a great day.
710
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:07,619
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