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Welcome to episode #1046 of Thinking With Mitch Joel (formerly Six Pixels of Separation).
Dr. Liane Davey has spent her career helping leaders and teams perform at their best. As an organizational psychologist, bestselling author, trusted advisor to companies around the world and dear friend, she has long explored what separates high-performing teams from those that quietly struggle beneath the surface. Her latest book, Thoughtload - Manage The Madness And Free Your Team To Do Great Work, introduces a deceptively simple but powerful idea: the biggest challenge facing today's organizations isn't workload... it's thoughtload. While most leaders focus on reducing tasks and increasing productivity, Liane argues that the real drain on performance comes from the invisible cognitive, emotional, and energetic burden people carry every day. In this conversation, we explore why organizations have become obsessed with measuring outputs instead of outcomes, how constant urgency creates the illusion of productivity while undermining effectiveness, and why many of today's workplace frustrations... from endless meetings to return-to-office debates to AI-generated "work slop"... are symptoms of a much deeper problem. We also discuss what thoughtful leadership looks like in an era of intelligent machines, why collaboration breaks down when people are cognitively overloaded, and how AI might eventually become a tool for reducing thoughtload rather than amplifying it. More than a conversation about burnout or workplace wellness, this is a discussion about attention, focus, judgment, and what it will take to build organizations where people can once again do their very best work. Liane is also the author of You First and The Good Fight and have been a guest of this show countless times. Enjoy the conversation...
- Running time: 51:58.
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- Thoughtload - Manage The Madness And Free Your Team To Do Great Work.
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Chapters:
(00:00) - Understanding Thoughtload. (02:46) - The Productivity Trap. (05:56) - Measuring Outputs vs. Outcomes. (09:00) - The Role of Management in Work Value. (12:02) - Identifying Worthwhile Work. (15:00) - Managing Thought Load Effectively. (17:50) - The Impact of Office Environment on Thoughtload. (21:09) - Navigating the Return to Office. (24:11) - The Future of Work and Thoughtload. (27:10) - Navigating Work Culture and Diversity. (27:57) - Attention Span and Modern Content Consumption. (30:08) - The Illusion of Speed in Work. (32:13) - Thoughtload and Workplace Dynamics. (35:12) - The Impact of AI on Work and Thoughtload. (38:58) - Prioritization in the Age of AI. (43:05) - Collaboration Challenges and Thoughtload. (45:59) - AI as a Tool for Managing Thoughtload. (48:00) - The Cost of Being You and Personal Reflection.
