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Welcome to Navara Live coming up tonight, got a sense
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of deja vu. No surprise if so, since Labor is
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once again weaponizing anti semitism against who else the left,
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Met Commissioner Mark Rowley seems to be spreading disinformation over
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the anti genocide marchers in the Capitol. Some people are
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desperate to say that any criticism of Israel whatsoever is
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anti Semitism, and it was good. It gives some politicians
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a pretty hard time of for being utterly incoherent. I'm
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o understanding, and tonight I have the immense pleasure, the joy,
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the satisfaction of being joined by Michael Walker. Michael, how
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are we very well?
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I like to kind of pride myself on remaining relatively
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relaxed because I'm covering the news cycle. But even this
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weekend I found myself shouting at the screen, Wow, so
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much nonsense.
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Even me, as somebody who knows Michael very well, that
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really is saying something. Maybe you were in the same boat, frustrated, angry.
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What can I do? Well, I'll tell you what you
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can do. You can, of course, help us build a
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new media for different politics.
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Sign up top.
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I'll work by going to varmy dot com forward slash support.
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Do something with that frustration, channel your anger, help the
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virum media.
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And for politicians to weighe in as Zach Blanski did
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is disgraceful. He's not fit to lead any political party.
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Do you agree with the UK's counter terro chief who
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said that anti Semitism is the biggest national security emergency.
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I wasn't asking you about Benjamin etna Who's actions. I
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was asking if you agree with that view.
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He is using his Jewish ancestry as a shield to
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protect him from what he's doing. He himself is inciting
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hatred again. In his interview with you, he repeated the
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canard that the Israelis are committing genocide.
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Now, people like mister Pilansky and like his deputy, one
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of his deputies, Mothinally, are playing politics with the hatred
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that the Jewish community is regularly experiencing.
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Now, unless you've been on a rock all weekend, you'll
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know that the Labour Party and the mainstream media have
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fired up their political smear mashine, this time aimed directly
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at Green Party leader Zach Polanski, and they haven't been
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shy of stooping to a bit of anti Semitism themselves,
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as alleged by Polanski, illustrated by this cartoon published in
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The Times on Saturday. That same day, the Mail ran
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with this headline Extraordinary, accusing Polanski's party of being a
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party of poison in relation to anti Semitism in the
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wake of a knife attack on two Jewish men in
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North London last week. Polansky has found himself dragged into
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a political mailstrom over anti Semitism in the Green Party
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after he reposted a tweak questioning the level of violence
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used by arresting police officers at the Sea and the
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media was hard at work on Sunday trying to implicate
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him in putting British Jews at risk. This was Trevor
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Phillips on Sky.
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Is it a matter for a conversation or do you
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accept that actually there's not a perception there is act
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well unsafety.
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Well, I think the conversation is rolling out right now.
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I definitely think there's unsafety for Jewish people. And I
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never said there wasn't. I said both were unacceptable when
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I talked.
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What you said is there needs to be a conversation.
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I look at your words right, which suggests that you
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think that there's a choice, and that perhaps some people
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might be thinking that there's a problem, but there isn't
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really a problem. So you're telling me this morning, that's
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not a question, that's not in question. You accept that
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there is actual unsafety and that's what's going to be tackled.
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And what I said was fut on.
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There are times when Jewish people, including myself, actively unsafe.
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That's clearly, very true, and it's always been true. There's
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also times where we hear marches, Palestinian marches that I,
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as a Jewish person, walk on, where Jewish people say
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that makes them feel unsafe. Now, I don't think that
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actually makes them unsafe, clearly because I'm a Jewish person
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who is on that march. So I think it's about
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having a conversation about how do we ensure that Jewish
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people are safe and Jewish people feel safe at times
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when they may perceive themselves to be unsafe.
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Oh, that's interesting. So these marches where many Jewish people, frankly,
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most Jewish people that you or I would meet, say
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that they feel it makes them unsafe. Let me put
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a like the thought of experiment to imagine you are
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talking to shlowmy rand or Norman Shine.
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Two men who were stabbed in Golders Green.
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How do you persuade them that what happened to them
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was somehow kind of in their imaginations. I mean, you've
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got to be clear about this. You can't have it
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both ways. Either there is something real here, or you're
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saying that some Jewish people are not making it up,
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but they're imagining something that is real that isn't real.
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Tray. That's an outrageous distortion of what I just said.
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No, I'm kind of repeating what you've just said, what
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you said earlier in the week, and what you've just
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said to me.
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Actually, if people are stabbed, then that is clearly unsafe.
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It's beyond unsafe. It's outrageous and it's horrific the attack
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that happened. We should not I must not pit people
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facing physical violence against people's freedom of speech and ability
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to march in relation to a genocide in Palestine.
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Now, I don't know about you, but if I had
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a relative, loved one friend who was stabbed by somebody
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on the street, and that person had previously been referred
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to prevent they'd attacked other people in the past, they'd
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stabbed somebody else, earlier on the day they'd managed to
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carry on. My first questions would be directed towards the police.
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I might not blame the police. I might blame the police.
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I might blame prevent I'd have a big question as
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to how somebody, with the set of problems that we
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now know this person had in terms of their mental wellbeing,
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their history, how they were able to do something like
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this again. And we see this time after time, we
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sort of axel Rulu Cabana.
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We saw it in Nottingham.
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There are clearly holistic failures with regards to how we
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deal with people who have mental health issues in this country, clearly,
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and you'll have a range if you use on that how.
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We addressed it.
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If somebody stabbed, like I said, a loved one or
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a friend of mine, and that was the scenario, you
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know what I wouldn't do be blaming somebody who isn't
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an even an MP, and who leads a party with
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five MPs. That is the last person I'd be looking
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to blame.
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I might bliad the government.
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I might lend the police this or that state institution.
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But I wouldn't be looking squarely at a guy who's a
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member of the London Assembly.
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Say how dare you You've let me down?
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Does that make any sense? Not at all, unless, of
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course you're in the media. Polanski, predictably enough, was not
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allowed to answer the question in the way he wanted to.
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The person who is conflating anti Semitism government is Benjaminatta and.
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Yahoo, no, no, no, no, no, let's not get onto that. I
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asked you about the feelings of the Jewish community in
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this country, almost nothing to do with what you've just
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started to go onto. And you seem still unsure whether
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you believe Jews in Britain are unsafe or whether you think,
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actually it's not as bad as Trump people are making
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it out.
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That's not what I said at all, And that's not
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what I said last week. I said there are people
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who are unsafe Jewish people, and that's clearly true. There
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are also people who feel like the marches are hate marches.
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I'm saying, as a Jewish person who marches with many
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Jewish people against the occupation in Palestine, when people say
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that makes them feel unsafe, that's a distortion of what
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the march is.
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Okay, So you would reject the McPherson inquiry. Steph Lawrence
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Inquiry definition of a hate crime as a crime an
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incident where either the victim or anybody else who happens
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to be there perceives it to be a crime motivated
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by hatred. Because there are thousands and thousands of Jews
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in this city, London who think that those marches that
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you're saying you don't feel intimidated by, they think these
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are hate marches. So you're saying that the McPherson Inquiry
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the certain definition, which is what the government stands behind
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and which police operate today.
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That's wrong.
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Well, as I repeat as a Jewish person, I march
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with many Jewish people on those marches.
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Now they're already laws today.
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You're not all Jews. I'm just saying that currently the
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policy is.
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Well, why is my Jewish identity being raised from this conversation?
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I'm not erasing it. So many people I try that
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one on me.
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My point is that currently the policy is that if
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somebody believes that an incident is a hate crime, whether
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they are a victim or not, it is recorded as
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such by the police, it is regarded as such by
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the court. What you are saying is because you don't
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think it's a hate crime.
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It shouldn't be.
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If hate crimes are being committed on the marches, then
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those should be dealt with them. There's already laws of those.
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As I said, on those marches, I've not seen hate crimes,
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and I think it's an outrageous slur on many many
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people who are marching for peace.
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The world is actually up and others who think it is.
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What's wrong with those are not hate it's in their minds. Well,
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I think if they've not seen evidence of them being
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hate marchers, then I think, yes, that is a perception issue.
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Isn't it fascinating Michael that Trevor Phillips has absolutely no
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time whatsoever of a standpoint epistemology right, which is to
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say that reality is the consequence of one's perception of
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the world. As a guy who's half Iranian, I get
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to determine what's racism against Iranians.
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Michael's a gay guy.
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As a gay guy, he gets to determine what's homophobic.
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Trevor Phillips hasn't the slightest time for that as an
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interpretive lens for the world, including by the way, for
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black people. He's black, right, unless you're Jewish. I'll go
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further even still, unless you're a Zionist Jewish person, if
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you're an anti Zionist Jewish person, they exist. They're not
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a majority of Jews in this country, but there's lots
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of them.
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Many of them go on these.
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Process they're the only people who get to benefit from
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standpoint of pistemology. Not only does he not think that
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exists for everybody else, he condemns it. Actually he rallies
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against it. But here he's mobilizing the exact same thought
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architecture so effectively defend Israel and to defend apologists for Israel.
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But Trevor Phillips is like so many people in the
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media leading political parties in this country, which is anti
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work except for Jews. Right, So Trevor Phillips specifically, and
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I mean he's you know, he's a controversial figure. I
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think often he says interesting things, which is a controversial
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figure because he's willing to break taboos. So when it
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came to sort of Islamophobia, he's made documentary saying I
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actually think we.
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Should be able to speak clearly.
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I mean, if there are any problems within the Muslim community,
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sort of defending saying there may be a nation within
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a nation, and this is a big problem. And guess what,
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there were some Muslims who said that what he did
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was wrong. So Nasha are very prominent Muslim said some
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of the things he has said on public record would
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not be acceptable to any minority community. Now, if we
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treat more the same way that Trevor Phillips wants us
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to treat Jews, that means he's committed a hate crime. Essentially,
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this idea that we can run a country, that we
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can live in a multicultural society when everyone gets to
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define the oppression against themselves is it's completely unworkable. And
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I mean a big difference between zach Polanski and Corbyn,
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and we'll talk about lots of the similarities, is that
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I think he actually pushed back very strongly. Zach Polanski
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is saying, we do have to distinguish between perceptions and
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then objective actual abuse. Right, we need to look at data,
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we need to look at evidence. The fact that people
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think of March is anti semitic doesn't make it anti semitic. Now,
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with reference to the mcperson report, which Trevor Phillips sort
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of kept referencing, I think it, you know, it does
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make the reasonable point whereby police should record as a
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reported hate incident if someone feels like they have been
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abused or if they have been subject to a hate crime.
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And I think that's perfectly fair enough. And I also
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do think that if many people in the Jewish community
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are saying a demonstration is anti Semitic, then of course
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we should pay attention to that, right. I think if
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any group, or if any members of a minority community
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are saying that they feel like they are being subject
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to a hate crime, sure we should take that seriously.
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data and evidence in front of my face was that
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this was a very peaceful group of people who were annoyed,
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not annoyed, outraged that there were women and children being
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killed halfway across the world by a government that wants
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to expand its own borders, who are getting the support
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of our government.
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the anti racist racists, all coming before a local election.
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an election. So Jeremy Corbyn with the mural, obviously the
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stupid mural that he was stupid to have ever commented on.
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local elections coming up. Oh suddenly this is a big story.
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things get dug up, which can then get spun in
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a sort of sinister way. And everyone's just watching this
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on the TV thinking, I don't really understand what's going on,
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but I'm a bit bored of hearing about this. It
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seems like that leader is a bit incompetent, or maybe
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they're a bit sinister. I can't really follow the details.
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I don't think people can really explain what zach Planski
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may have done wrong, but all they're hearing is headline
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and that just sort of casually gets absorbed. And that's
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why this is so I mean, potentially effective, let's hope not.
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exact same voices, And like you said, there's not a
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clear line of attack necessarily against Zak Polanski other than
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this retweet that was a substantial thing they could criticize.
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It's generally you need to deal with this issue in
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your party and we can talk and we will talk
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about the comparisons with this line of attack to what
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we saw with Jeremy Corbyn. But it's so different in
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many ways. Right, Jeremy Corbyn could have been the prime
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minister in twenty nineteen and twenty seventy. Of course they
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thought it was impossible after before twenty seventeen, they didn't
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really bother after twenty seventeen. This stuff goes into overdrop
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because he could have been the prime minister. Now, if
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you do think that guy is a racist, I obviously
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don't think that. If you do think that, I can
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see why the stakes are raised. Right, Zach Paralanski's not
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going to be the Prome minister Zack.
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Plansky's going to lead.
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He's a Jewish guy who's going to lead a party
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maybe a forty mpiece. You know, you cannot compare it
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to an MP. He also doesn't have the same record.
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was calling Corbyn's Labor Party and he's Semitic years ago.
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It's quite extraordinary.
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over tonight's show, but also over the coming days and weeks,
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is that fundamentally, if you criticize Israel, some people in
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the British media political landscape will call you an anti
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semi fundamentally, even if you agree with them on every
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single aspect of this debate at home, domestically, everything a dot,
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the acheray, you expel every candidate they want you to
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get rid of, you agree with them, and what kind
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of speech is permissible if you support an independent, free,
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autonomous Palestine, the cause of the Palestinian people. There is
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a certain section of these people who will oppose you,
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smear you, try and get rid of you by fair
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means or foul, and let's be honest, it won't be
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very fair. Now there have been issues with Green Party candidates.
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It's important to say who have been found to make
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and semitic comments ahead of Thursday's elections. Last week, two
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Green Party candidates were arrested over alleged an semitic posts online,
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and while the figures aren't known precisely, the media has
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reported that quote a number of members have been suspended
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from the party over such posts. Senior Green Party figures,
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on the other hand, have called it handful, So presumably
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we're talking around five, six, maybe a dozen people we
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don't really know, probably several in all likelihood. That hasn't
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stopped some people, though, like Hadley Freeman in The Times
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accusing the Greens of being quote full of due hating
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candidates up for election.
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I'm just so tired of this tone. Frankly so does.
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The Green Party have an endemic an sematism problem? That
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was the question posed by Laura Kunsberg on Sunday. She
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asked Polanski precisely that question on the BBC.
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Is somebody who expresses that, or somebody who says that
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Jews are cockroaches, or somebody who shares claims saying that
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Jews are commanded by the Old Testament to kill children.
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Are people who express those kinds of views they fit
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for office? Should they be running as candidates in your party?
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No?
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Absolutely not, And there's a Jewish person in those comments
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discussed me. It's important that we let the discliny process
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take its place, and that's exactly.
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What we have.
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Why are there people then on the ballot for the
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Green Party who have expressed those sorts of views. If
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you say they shouldn't be running for office.
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Well, as you know, when people are on the ballot
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paper from nomination day, it's impossible to withdraw them.
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But some of these episodes were flagged before that.
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You're right.
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Sometimes parties find out about things after the event, but
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some of these things were flagged before the ballot papers
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were printed. Some of these candidates are still running as
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part of the Green Party, with people campaigning for them
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around the country.
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I don't know about those individual cases in terms of
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that being flaged, but let me answer more widely. I
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think we clearly do need to have a better vetting process,
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and that's something I've taken away from this election.
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So do you have a problem with anti semitism in
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your party?
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I think there's a problem with anti Semitism and society.
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We have four thousand, five hundred candidates. We have a
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handful of cases where anti semitism has been accused. One
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case is one case too many. But I don't want
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to do what boutery. But you have Nigel Ferads who
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has twenty people saying as a child who made some
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pretty anti semitary today.
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To go to And then you mentioned another political leader.
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parties about these issues, and we have talked to Reform
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about it on other occasions. But do you believe that
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you have a particular problem with anti semitism in your party?
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I don't believe we have a particular problem compared to
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wider society and other political parties.
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In terms of those candidates who have been discovered to
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have express views like that. Would you tell people here
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today don't vote for them, they don't stand for you,
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That's right.
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I can't believe we're back here again. I genuinely can't
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believe we're back here again. And I sincerely think it's
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quite possible that in twenty a time there'll be in
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the viron media twenty million subscribers on YouTube. There'll be
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some insurgent left wing party, and you know they'll say,
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you know what, we should try and do so much
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child poverty and the entire media establishment becoming man Semites.
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Now you might think these answers are pretty reasonable, or
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you might think that plans Ky needs to do more.
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But the Labor Party has abandoned nuance altogether. This was
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a new campaign ad posted by them on Monday.
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The word andy Semitic has lost all meaning. I've yet
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to see a Zionist act in kindness or with love
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and compassion.
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Today.
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England has a government over represented with Siinist Jews, and
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it appears they care more for Israel than England. The
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leaders of Israel and Gauza conspired to carry out what
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happened on October seventh for financial gain, the London ambulance attack.
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Of course it was a false flag. Ramming a synagogue
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is an anti Semitism, it's revenge. Takes a serious effort
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not to be a tiny bit anti Semitic. The money
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grubbing thieves have built mountains of money over century Jewish hawkroaches.
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I don't believe any of these things. I've lived in
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the UK almost sixty years. I've lived happily in a
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wonderfully diverse community as a Jewish person. None of these
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statements are criticisms of Israel. They are all stereotypes, demonizations,
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or conspiracy theories of Jews at large. They are anti Semitic,
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They are racism towards Jews. But every single one of
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them was said or written or shared by people who
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are standing for election for the Green Party in the
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local elections this year, some of them for the place
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I live, perhaps with the place where you live. I
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don't want to be represented by people who think like this,
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and I don't think you do either.
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We were just listening to that and the first one
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that you heard there, the first apparently Anthemitic thing, and
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of course many Anthemitic things we just said there a
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moment ago.
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The word anthemitic has lost all meaning.
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I mean, if you say that you now are Rasis,
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and by the way, you hear the all the time,
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don't you. The word Islamophobia has lost all meaning. People
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say that all the time. I don't presume if somebody
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says that they're an Islamophobe personally, I don't agree with
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Labor that we should have some definition of islmophobe. I
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don't agree with that. I believe in free speech. Anyway,
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we'll talk about it's more of the course the rest
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of the show. Some of that might be sticking on
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what you just heard with that advert there and More
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in Common have released some polling on the popularity of
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the various party leaders today and it appears to show
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that Polanski's approval rating has fallen some fourteen points over
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the last week. He's still far ahead of Kirstama, but
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he's stipped below the likes of Chemic bad knock At, Davian,
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Nigel Farraj. It's worth pointing out, however, that More in
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Common doesn't appear to have started tracking plants until fairly recently,
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probably around early April. So there's some sucker there, maybe
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for the Greens, but it certainly not good.
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Michael.
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On a very basic level, it's kind of bizarre to
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see this level of intensity and attack against the party
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led by a Jewish guy with five MPs, which has
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no hopes of winning the next general election, at least
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when we saw it against Corbyn before twenty nineteen. You know,
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two party system. One party wants to win, the other
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parties led by this guy.
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Again. It's about high stakes, right, it makes sense.
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The stakes are incredibly low comparatively speaking, and it's like
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the Labor Party and much of the media establishment has
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got a bazookraw, you know, and they're let's blow this
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guy up.
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Metaphorically, it's exactly the same unhearly alliance when you've got
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sort of an opportunistic labor right, the right wing preyers
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the toy. Is everyone parting in the Israel lobby? Yes,
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I'm pretty sure they're involved. Who are all coming in
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at once to try and destroy a person. Now, in
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a way, this is a bit of a natural experiment
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now ously obviously the states are quite high. But in
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terms of what I'm interested to see, when it came
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to Jeremy Corbyn, it was always difficult to sort of
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work out what would have happened were he a bit
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more competent in terms of sort of rebutting or acting swiftly.
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So my opinion when it came to the Labour Party
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under Krwyn was they should have been much quicker kicking
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out people who were saying sort of anti Semitic things
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that weren't that were sort of anti semitic, or if
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they were borderline, but weren't about Israel.
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Just quickly get rid of them, you know.
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I think he sort of dall for a bit too long,
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but then also be very explicit and very firm and
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very outspoken when it comes to the difference between anti
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Semitism and anti Zionism. And I think Corbyn sort of
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failed really to do both of those. And also he
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was not very effective at rebutting arguments put to him
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because he got a bit annoyed in interviews and it
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wasn't really the job he was designed for. Let's say
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Zach Polanski so far, I mean, we've talked about I
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talked a lot on Friday about how I thought the
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retweet about sort of how the police tried to disarm
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a man holding a knife who just stabbed to people.
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I thought that retweet was a mistake. But how Zach
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Polanski has responded to the anti semitism smears is perfect.
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It's pitch perfect.
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He said, those people who have said these things, don't
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vote for them. They're going to get kicked out. But
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also we need to be very clear about the difference
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between perception and reality, and criticism of Israel is not
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anti semitic, and I think he.
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And I suppose the way it's a natural experiment.
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It's because it is possible that he does everything right
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and still the combined force of the labor right, the
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right wing press, all the other political parties and the
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Israel lobby is enough to bring him down. Now, we
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saw with sort of someone like Zora mm Danney, they
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tried and he was so articulate that he managed to
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push back and was won the election. Was a very
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successful politician. So maybe it's possible. I don't think it's
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sort of. We shouldn't yet be completely resigned to the
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fact that if you upset this coalition of people, you
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can't go anywhere. But yes, it's interesting to wear what
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could have happened were Corbyn slightly more articulate on questions
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such as this. I mean, another thing that I've been
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a bit surprised by is my analysis of why this
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was always so damaging for Jeremy Corbyn was that because
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so many backbench MP's were sort of aligned with the
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right wing press in the Israel lobby opportunistically. Often often
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it wasn't ideological, it was just because they wanted to
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bring this guy down. Then all of the political editors
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you know, whether or not they are ideologically aligned, could
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say this is a party management story. So it's just
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constantly a party management story. The leader of the Labor
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Party is opposed by all of these Labor MPs who
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are calling him racist. Doesn't matter whether or not they're right.
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This is an interesting phenomenon in and of itself, so
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let's report about it endlessly. Now is Zach Polanski. You've
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got a party leader where a bunch of other political
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parties are calling him bad. Now that's not an interesting phenomenon.
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That's normal politics. So the media can't really say, we're
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not making a judgment as to whether or not this
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is anti semitism or if there is, you know, fire
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with the smoke. So I suppose I'm interested in how
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long they can keep this going and whether or not
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that I overstated the extent to which the reason why
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this was able to do so much damage to Jeremy
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Corbyn was because of the fact that back bench MP's
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were willing to make it a party management issue.
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I'd also had he's Jewish. Yeah, he's a much.
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Better media performance with regards to defending stuff like this,
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And I agree with you. Jeremy didn't want to do that.
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He didn't have a history of having to do it right.
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I think it really shook him. As a guy who'd
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been an anti racist campaigning on these issues for decades,
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all of a sudden he.
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Was being called something very different than by the media.
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He was very unprepared for that.
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Zach is better at that stuff, but he's also Jewish
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and if they can do it to him, You're right
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that this line of attack and this coalition is a
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pretty big deal. I don't think they can quote unquote
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bring Zack Plansky down. What they can do is blunt him.
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What they can do is kill Hope. So what's behind
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the heightened pressure on the Greens? The party canntinues to
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surge ahead of Thursday as local elections as well as
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national elections in Scotland and Wales. As a result, they're
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putting a huge amount of pressure on Labor, especially in
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areas the party really cares about, like London. A new
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mrp pole from more in Common shows how tight the
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race between Labor and the Greens will be in at
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least six London boroughs, with the two parties being within
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a five point margin in each of them. In Hackney,
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the Greens lead Labor by three points, and in Lambeth,
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Subwok and Islington there's barely a point between them. Those
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predictions give you some sense of the collapse of the
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Labor vote in the capital, but it's only partial. This
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graph compares how Labor fared in the equivalent local elections
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in London four years ago in twenty twenty two. Back then,
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it got over forty percent of the vote share in
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twenty one out of London's thirty two burroughs, that's two
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thirds of them on Thursday. They're not expected to get
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over forty percent in a single war a catastrophe in
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the Capitol for the party of government, but more in
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common has also modeled how far Labour's popularity has fallen
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in London since the twenty twenty four general election. Based
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on those results, Labour has lost fifteen percent of the
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vote share when it comes to how people in London
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now intend to vote, whereas the Greens have been by
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far the largest beneficiary of that collapse, picking up ten percent.
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Of course, they did very well by their standards in
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London two years ago. The Greens are putting pressure on
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Labour in London, but they're also doing it in the
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national elections in Scotland and Wales as well, where Labour's
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vote has collapsed, and in the northeast and north of England,
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Reform is going to take a large bite out of
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labor dominance in multiple local authorities. A significant factor in
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the crisis now facing Labor is, of course, Kirstarmer's decision
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to appoint Epstein Pale Peter Mandelson as Britain's ambassador to
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the United States in Scotland that led Scottish Labor leader
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and Assawa to distance themselves from the PM last month,
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and writing for the newspaper The Independent today, Sahwah has
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made clear to Scottish voters how disappointed he is in
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Starma and making clear that a vote for labor north
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of the border is not a vote for the Prime Minister.
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In Wales, Labour is about to be wiped out, and
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even there the party's leader, Eleanard Morgan seems to have
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accepted that, after making a possibly Freudian slip at a
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speech last week and calling on voters to cast their
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ballot four dimory. Across England, the disaster awaiting Labor is huge,
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with some predicting a loss of eighteen hundred council seats.
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That's almost three quarters of the seats the party currently holds.
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So twenty five hundred seats they'd be contesting which they
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presently hold, three quarter of those could be lost. It
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would be the biggest hiding for a party of government
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in local elections.
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Ever.
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I think Margaret Thatcher in nineteen ninety lost two kiss
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Ima going to lose two thousand. I mean, that really
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gets to the extent of Labour's problems.
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So I think they're projected to lose seventy five percent
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of the seats that they currently have which are up
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for election on Thursday, which is if you are a
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labor counselor up for election or a labor sort of
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member of the Center for Hollywood, you have a seventy
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five percent chance of losing your seat if you're up
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for election on Thursday, which is incredible. Also, I mean
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to go back to our first story.
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It is so.
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Depressing because we could be having a really interesting conversation
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about the many different directions that the country could go in, Like,
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we have real problems, and I do think there are
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real questions to ask the Greens about, right. I don't
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think they are tested when it comes to policy. What's
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their position when it comes to house building? They've said
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nice things. Do they believe that actually we do need
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to massively increase the supply of housing in London?
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I'm not sure.
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You know.
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They've said sort of typical left wing things. You know,
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we want to keep affordability, we want social housing. All good,
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but do you want more houses in London? Significantly more
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houses in London in four years time than exists now.
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Because that is a divide on the left, lots of
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people say, oh, supply doesn't matter. I obviously think it does.
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Our audience will will know that. I think we could
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be having loads and loads of interesting policy debates and
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the Greens might be weak on some of them, right,
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the Greens might be weak on things like policing. It
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might be weak on certain sort of economic policy HS
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too historic HS two, Yeah, there are. I don't think
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that the Greens are bulletproof by any means. But the
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fact that we are having a debate which is completely
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concocted about this Jewish guy being anti Semitic because he
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is against Palestinian women and children and men getting killed
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is like, it's a huge displacement activity.
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And it's just so cynical because I.
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Would have respect for the Labor Party if they were
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to say, look, the Greens are offering you easy answers.
637
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Maybe you hate us, but that's because we're doing a
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difficult job. We've actually got you know, lots of competent
639
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people in various councils around the country. I'm willing to
640
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hear that argument. Maybe it's not true, but I'm willing
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to hear that argument. And they can say, oh, the Greens,
642
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they're actually Nimbi's, are actually this that the other. Let's
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have that debate. That would be interesting, that would be
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you know, informative to the public. Maybe we'd all learn something,
645
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Maybe we would get closer to finding what is actually
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the problem in this country. That means that our productivity
647
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is so low and affordability is such a problem. But
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the fact that in the entire run up to these
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key elections, which could completely reshape the political map, we're
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having this completely fake debate, I just find fundamentally quite depressing.
651
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Yeah.
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I think a big reason why Britain can't address major
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problems is because the center left and the center is
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unwilling to have a policy debate with the left. That
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doesn't mean the left is always right, but it asks
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important questions. And if you're literally saying an entire sort
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of ideological pole of attraction, millions of people are not
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legitimate actors in the system, I think clearly you're going
659
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to have an imbalanced political debate.
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The Greens.
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I agree with the Greens on many things. I voted
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for the Greens the last general election. I disagree with
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them on other things. On HS two are the last generalcation,
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they were wrong. I think on nuclear power they're wrong.
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I don't want to build loads of nuclear power stations,
666
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but I don't want to shut any I don't want
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to make the same mistake as the Germans. So let's
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have that debate. And I think I would have so
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much more respect, like you say, for labor. If Kis
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Starmer said, you might not agree with everything we've done.
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We've got rid of the two child benefit cap, We've
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brought rail into public ownership. We've done things that the
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left has wanted and asked for for years. This is
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the most left wing government in this country since before
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Margaret Thatcher.
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There's a good argument for that.
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By the way, I thoroughly disliked the man for different reasons,
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his personality, how he delivers certain things, the arguments he
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makes against certain people. This stuff, what's happening right now
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is literally what will stop me from voting Labor right.
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The way they conduct politics is what will stop me
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from voting labor. There are lots of policies I agree with,
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some I disagree with. There are other policies I disagree
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with from the other parties. It's the way they do politics.
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You know, I voted for my labor counselor and the
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same elections four years ago because they're a good candidate,
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They're a good counselor. But now I'm thinking, I don't
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want to contribute to this idea that this is a
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legitimate way of doing politics. I don't want to contribute
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to that, which means, you know, voting labor right. I
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don't want to legitimize that. So either I don't vote
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or I vote green. And that's not because of the candidate,
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that's because of case Arma. And I wonder, actually, how
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many people Labour are going to lose doing this ahead
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of these local elections. I don't think it's many, right,
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because theyren' going to get many anyway, But if they're
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just going to do project fear and negativity for the
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next three years. I struggle to understand what their strategy is.
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Following the stabbing attack in Golders Green, in which two
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Jewish Men were very seriously injured by a lone man
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with a knife, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Mark Growley has become
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increasingly political. Last week, he weighed into the discussion of
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whether anti genocide marches in London have played a causal
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role in a recent increase in and submitted crimes. He
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said they had without providing any evidence and assay to this.
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I'm really troubled by and what we've seen is many
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of these marches they set out with an intent to
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march near synagogues, etc. And every single time we put
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conditions on to prevent that. But even that intent causes
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me concern that they repeatedly ask to do such things.
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Speaking to The Times, Raley repeated those extraordinary claims, saying
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this about the march organizers. Their initial suggestion for their
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route their march has involved walking by synagogue. Each time
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we've prevented that, each time we've put conditions on the
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fact that features as the organizer's intent. I think that
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sends a message that feels like anti Semitism. Though may
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be a fair or unfair inference, but that's the message
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it sense now. Those marches are organized by the Palistine Coalition,
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which includes groups like the Palestine's Solidarity Campaign, the PSC
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and Stop the War. They've now hit back at the commissioner,
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demanding he withdraws his quote incomprehensible and defamatory comments. In
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letters to rally, the organizers said this, We are very
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concerned to see that you have publicly stated that the
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organizer's initial suggestion for the Palestine marches have involved walking
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by a synagogue in his words, and that this sends
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a message that quote feels like anti Semitism. These claims
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are incomprehensible and defametory. The truth is that at no
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point have we ever requested to quote walk by a
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synagogue on any of our marches. We have no interest
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in doing so. Police recordings of our meetings with you
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will confirm this. We can and will provide the email
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evidence to back up these facts. We urge a speedy
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public retraction of your statement and the accompanying scurrilous claim
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of anti semitism.
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Michael, what do you think of.
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That, this is so insane, right, So the claim so
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sort of that email makes it seem like there's this
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claim and did they ask to walk by a synagogue
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or did they not. Now the basis of this allegation,
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this like complete smear from the commissioner, is that Stop
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the War wanted to start and did start a number
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of protests at the BBC. This is Oxford Circus, right,
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So it's one of the busiest parts of London, one
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of the most busiest, the busiest part in London, one
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of the most normal places in the country, or probably
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the most normal place in the country.
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To start a march.
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Now it happens to be the case that three hundred
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and fifty meters away, so a third of a kilometer,
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a number of blocks away, there is a synagogue. The
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march didn't go past the synagogue. The idea is that
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you can't start to march anywhere which is half a
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kilometer away from a synagogue, even if it is in
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the literal center of London. So no one is allowed
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to protest the BBC anymore because like seven blocks away
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there is a synagogue. And that was that was a
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ridiculous demand when it was made by the police, and
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what the police sort of suggested at the time and say,
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you know this or sort of the arguments I was
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hearing is them saying like, obviously, you know, it's completely
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legitimate to want to start your march at the BBC,
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but there are some people who do feel uncomfortable, so
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maybe you could sort of move it to a different place.
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This is now being which is I think was unreasonable
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at the time. Right, you should be able to start
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a march at the BBC at Oxford Circus, regardless of
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whether a few blocks around there is a synagogue. But
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now it's been contorted to be that they specifically wanted
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to march past a synagogue and that would feel like
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anti Semitism if it had to been the case that
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stopped the walk codition kept putting forward to the police
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a march route which sort of you know, went a
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bit around the corner and went down this sort of
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little side route, you know, like why have they chosen
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out side? Oh there's a synagogue there. That would be
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incredibly sinister, that would feel like antisemitism. But they started
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in march at the BBC, walked down Regent Street like
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the busiest road in London, and now that's ad dissemitism
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because a third of a kilometer away there is a synagogue.
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It's insane and it is like, this is incredibly defamatory.
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Now it's against an organization, not an individ So I
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don't know if you can sort of if that will
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work in court, but I think this is so obviously
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like despicable, Like it's really difficult to take anything rarely
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take so seriously in the future because that is just
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so misleading to any ordinary member of the public listening
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to what he's there. She resigned for that, I think, yes,
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I mean, I think that is just a complete outrageous smith.
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I agree, and it's because if.
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You are an ordinary member of the public listening to it,
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Like I'm fine with people disagreeing, but I do think
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it is really quite despicable if you make a statement
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from a position of authority where a person sort of
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listening to that on the radio will reasonably infer something
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which is the complete opposite of the truth. Because if
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I had listened to that, and I didn't have any
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prior awareness of this, I would think that's outrageous, right,
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But that's because I would have heard what he said
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there and assumed that stopped the war Coalition wanted to
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go past the synagogue, when that's just not remotely the case.
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Trust and authority is a two way street, right, you
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can't expect young kids to not run through turnstiles and
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go on the tube and to not do graffiti or
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shoplifting or anything. Young people should not obey the law,
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they should respect authority.
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It works both ways.
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You can't expect that and then lie as the head
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of the London Metropolitan Police Service. And it's not just untruth,
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it's untruth couched with feelings. I feel this not that well. Look,
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you're the head of the met right, you're there to
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uphold the rule of law. Very often they do the
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opposite regardless, that's your job. You're not there to have feelings.
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I just find it extraordinary that he even thinks that's
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a permissible way to conduct public communications for the most
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senior police officer in this country. Now, this row comes
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ahead of a large pro Palestine march set to take
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place in London on the sixteenth of May, commemorating the
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Nakbath of nineteen forty eight. On the same day, far
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right agitated Tommy Robinson has also organized a march in
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the capitol the second of his quote United.
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The Kingdom rallies.
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But while there's a growing camp pan to link the
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Palestine March to racism, people seem much less worried about
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the far right on the streets of our capital. Tory
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leader Kevi Badnock has supported the idea of banning the
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NACA Day protest.
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What about Robinson's protest?
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Would you consider taking similar action against the march that's
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planned for the same day as the pro Palestinian in
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March May the sixteenth, the rally being organized by Stephen
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Yaxley Len and Tommy Robinson, a convicted far right activists.
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Would you consider banning that well?
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Is he clearly is he creating a climate of intimidation
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and violence that is resulting in two people murdered in
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Heaton Park, two people nearly murdered in Golder's Green. I'm
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not saying that we shouldn't have a right to protest.
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There is something specific that is happening at these marches
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that is different from the sources of protests we've seen previously.
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Let's people are not protesting about domestic issues, They're protesting
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about international issues. It's costing us a fortune. It's resulting
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in the normalization of violence towards a minority group. I
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think that we need to do what we can.
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But some people might feel and some people did feel.
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And that last big march called Unite the Kingdom, many
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people there were protesting perfectly place, perfectly peacefully. Some people
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did look at that march and feel intimidated. Some people
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did look at that, and I don't want to see that.
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There were discerns at that time, and there were arrests
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and people were charged with racially aggravated offenses at that
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particular march.
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Right, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You haven't
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been able to say who that was targeted against. I
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am saying that there is something very specific happening to
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Jewish communities.
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Who who was targeted?
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Well, let's listen to one of the speakers at the
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last a United Kingdom protest. This was Valentina Gomez, who
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has since been banned from entering UK.
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It's either now or never, because if these rapists Muslims takeover,
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they will not only rape your women. There won't be
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head of your sons, just like they did on October
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00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:08.400
seventh in Israel. So we either fight now or we die,
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and we're fighters. We are warriors of Jesus Christ. And
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in the words of the Great Charley Kirk, Islam is
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the sword that the Left is using to destroy Christian
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nations and to destroy every Christian nation across the world.
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So do not make peace with evil. Destroy it.
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You're welcome to go back and watch the footage from
869
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that rally.
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Other speakers are on stage.
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They're talking about Britain being colonized, call for a ban
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on any non Christian religious expression in Britain, and describing
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the country slidly into cultural darkness because of the presence
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of Muslims in the land. Show me one person, one
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person saying anything like that about Jewish people on stage
876
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had a Palestine march. Michael, We're going to talk about
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this a little bit later with a LBC clip and
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lewis goodall. But you hear it all the time, ban Islam,
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ban Islam, ban Islam, ban public representations of Islam, ban
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mosques being you hear all the time. Now you can
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agree to screw the must being built right. People are
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gonna have all kinds of issues with a building of
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any kind built in their local era. That's fine, But
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clearly in the broader conversation about banning new a religius
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building of a particular faith, we hear it all the time,
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and again I think that's permissible. We live in a
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free stude if people are allowed to say these things.
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But what people like Camry bad Knock are saying is
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we have a totally different set of rules. You know,
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if you say banned Judaism, that's hateful.
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Right If I if.
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I go on a stage an anti anti war protest
893
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and I say banned Judaism, I'm in big trouble. But
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it's it's the oxygen that these people breathe at these protests.
895
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With Tommy Robinson and yet Cricket, what are your thoughts?
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I mean, it's discause when I watched that, that was
897
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one of the moments I was sort of shouting at
898
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the TV screen, Kemmy baien, who are those marches targeting?
899
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Though?
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Who could they possibly be targeting? Were reported at the time.
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I mean, it's really.
902
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Really explicit violent language about Muslims. She's made two claims though,
903
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which is one they're not targeted to anyone, and two
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it hasn't led to any violence. Now Obviously, I completely
905
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dispute the idea that any of anything said at Palestine
906
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demos has led to any of the horrific violence we've
907
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seen over the past week. But there is also an
908
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emergency when it comes to violence against Muslims or people
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perceived as Muslims. Right So, last week Alfie Coleman was
910
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convicted of plotting a terror attack which he planned against
911
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quote the Invaders. He wrote a manifesto saying he wanted
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to provoke a quote race war. He'd attempted to buy
913
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an AK forty seven and had researched a Mosco as
914
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a target. He wanted to quote shoot refugees right now.
915
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Is there a dynamic connection between what was said on
916
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that stage and that action, I've got absolutely no idea.
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Is it more plausible that what was said on that
918
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stage would lead to that action then a bunch of
919
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people saying stop borrowing Palestine would lead to a guy
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thinking that actually what that is is a call to
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kill or attack Jews. In North London the week before,
922
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John Ashby, a white man, was convicted of raping a
923
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Sequoman while racially abusing her. He followed her offer bus
924
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and forced her way into her house. As he forced
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her to take her clothes off, he referred to himself
926
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as her British master. He referred to his penis as
927
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being quote white British. There is so much of this
928
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stuff where there is a much clearer sort of arrow
929
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of causality between the kind of things said at the
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United Kingdom Rally to these actions.
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Now, I don't think this is a reason to ban.
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Those I mean, there's a debate to be had about
933
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debanning those marches, but I'm not here saying because these
934
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things have happened, we have to ban those marches.
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Right.
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I think it is quite important that we sort of
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separate rhetoric from action, and we separate political arguments from
938
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sort of violent extremists who may or may not have
939
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been inspired by it.
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Right.
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But the idea that there is something uniquely it's just
942
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it's just wrong.
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Right.
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And again, like we said with Trevor Phillips being anti
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work except for Jews, now everyone is pro pro free
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speech except for Israel.
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And it's just it's it's mind bending.
948
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Do you think that she knows there's a double standard here,
949
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so she I mean she's saying to who you know,
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I can say with regards to where I live in
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Portsmouth on the south coast. In just recent months, people
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have been assaulted in a park. Muslim has been insulted
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in the park where lots of you know, South Asian
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families go basically during the weekends to chill out, barbecues
955
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and whatnot. A man had a machete, went to a mosque.
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He had to be pacified. That's just in one city.
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There's lots of these stories, right.
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There were riots, people set fire to.
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One small city in England literally just in the last
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several months. There was a your Party meeting. People tried
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to shut that down again. All kinds of things were said.
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And this is the case in every town and city
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in this country, Every very major talent city in this
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country has a story like that more or less. Maybe
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not the machete one, but instances of clearly anti Muslim hate.
966
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And she's saying against who. I mean, do you think
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she believes that or is she playing dumb?
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I think everyone is just being incredibly opportunistic. It's like,
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you know, obviously there is an organized as role lobby.
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There are some Jews who do feel under threat, partly
971
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because of misperception, partly because there are genuine sort of
972
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increases in anti Semitism. But I think the sort of
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most despicable people in all of this are the politicians
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who think that they really don't care about the consequences
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00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.840
of this. They don't care if having such an obvious
976
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double standard is probably going to increase anti Semitism. I mean,
977
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if people are already sort of of the belief that
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00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.960
Jews control the media and control politics and sort of
979
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.079
they're protected when other people aren't. If you have a
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00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.960
leading politician going on the television saying that Jews are
981
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:55.639
under this exceptional threat and we have to ban all
982
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.920
these marches. Oh but this march where they say that
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00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:01.239
Muslims have to be banned in kicked out. Oh, that's fine,
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00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.800
And these hate crimes aren't really hate crimes.
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Right.
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It is the most irresponsible thing you can possibly do.
987
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And I don't think it's because kemmy Bad not cares
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about Jews. I don't think it's because she cares about Israel.
989
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I think she sees it there's an opportunity to win
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00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:17.239
some political points against a politician she doesn't like, in
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a political movement that she sees as her sort of rivals.
992
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She certainly needs it.
993
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And that's interesting you make that observation, because we have
994
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.119
quite a unique dynamic, right the two legacy parties are
995
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.800
both dying. You know, Labour are going to lose maybe
996
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.599
eighteen hundred councilors on Thursday, but the Tories are going
997
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.920
to lose counselors as well. Very unusual when you're the
998
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party of opposition. Normally you do well in the subsequent
999
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set of local elections. So there are high incentives the
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two legacy parties to be as vitriolic as possible, not
1001
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:44.960
just to the Greens but also Reform as well. But
1002
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right now as the Greens and this is the line
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00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.519
of attack they're adopting, And the media has a really
1004
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.159
high seven incentives as well, because of course, if you're
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a journalist at the Sun or the Times or the BBC,
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you have dozens, maybe even hundreds of MP's contact, counselor's contacts.
1007
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You know these people You've invested in time and resources
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into building those relationships.
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Oh my good goodness.
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You know, on the idea of you know, fifty sixty
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Green MP's coming on, I don't know them. I've not
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00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.960
built those relationships. And I have to say it's fascinating.
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00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:18.360
This is just an aside, but the attacks against reform
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00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:24.360
have really diminished since they accepted Robert Genrick. It's fascinating, interesting,
1015
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:29.360
really really fascinating. It's like a whole different set of
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00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:34.760
rules since Bravaman Generic have joined them. Because I think
1017
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:36.440
there was almost like the bat signal going out to
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00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.639
legacy media. Okay, these guys are legit, you know, it's
1019
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.119
not just the Faraj and Zero show anymore. In recent
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00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.440
weeks there has been a deluge of claims regarding antisemitism.
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Some of that is malicious, purely the result of political expediency.
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We have local elections soon, of course, and labor well,
1023
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they're not going to do very well. Some of it
1024
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is legitimate. There has been a space of attacks against
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British Jews recently, and members of various political parties, including
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00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.880
the Greens, have been disciplined over comments relating to Jewish people.
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But it's also simply true and accurate that what some
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people regard as unacceptable anti semitism, others viewers entirely legitimate
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and indeed.
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Appropriate criticism of Israel.
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Basically, the definitions are fundamentally different. It boils down to
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00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.800
this is anti Zionism and a critique of an Apartheite
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00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:26.639
state founded on colonial dispossession inherently racist. Some people think yes,
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others no. This video, shared by the account titled Green
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Party exposed on x and, claiming to show a conversation
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with the Green Party candidate called for not gets to
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the heart of the matter.
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You just repeat what you told me. They should definitely want.
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Shouldn't exist.
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00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:49.199
Israel shouldn't exist. That's the most anti Semitic thing anybody
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00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.800
can say. Not really, So where should all the Jews
1042
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.480
go in Israel? Then they can stay there, they can
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00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:56.760
stay there, but it shouldn't exist.
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So where are they going to go?
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00:51:58.039 --> 00:51:58.480
That should be?
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00:51:59.360 --> 00:51:59.960
Oh my god?
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00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.280
Okay, well I've got your name and thank you for
1048
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.519
showing us the vile hatred against Jews.
1049
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:09.440
Yes, you do.
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00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:10.559
You just ask for Israel.
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00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:15.679
That's the Jewish homeland. There's fifty seven Muslim countries in
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00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.079
the world and there's one Jewish state and you just
1053
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:21.119
ask for it to be eradicated. This is why, this
1054
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.199
is why the Green Party are going to fail because
1055
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:26.719
of people like you. The vile hatred of Judaism, and
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00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:28.880
this is why Jews are being murdered on the streets
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of England because of people like you, because of people
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like Philip Notley, Get off my property.
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I love how Chilty is right. He's just calmly stating
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his political view.
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I definitely know who I'd prefer to go for a
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00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:41.840
pint with you.
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Thank you. Definitely.
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Israel shouldn't exist is the most anti Semitic thing anyone
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can say. Apparently, what about Palestine? Should Palistine exist? If
1066
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you don't think that is that racist? If you think
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Palestine shouldn't exist, shouldn't be a Palastinian state?
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Which other way is that?
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The facto position of revisionist Sianism is the de facto
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position of the Israeli government, is the de facto position
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of most Sionists.
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Liberalsigns say well, we'd like to do part step.
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They don't really mean it. Some do, but they don't
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really mean it. Increasingly, that's just I think inescapably true.
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Are those people? Is that racist?
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I don't think they should be Israel that's racist. I
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don't think there should be a palistin that's fine. Actually,
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and again, this lady genuinely thinks what she's saying is true.
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I wonder if she's even thought about it intellectually. There
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are fifty seven Muslim countries. Why can't the Palestinians go
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to one of those?
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00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.840
Only one Israel? Again, this is so racist.
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00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:44.159
What Palestinians who are from the Eastern Mediterranean, Arabs in
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the Eastern Mediterranean, They're meant to go and live in
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00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:48.239
what Morocco, Indonesia?
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AmAm. They can just they.
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Can move anywhere, but we have to live in this
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00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.199
tiny patch of land. Again, it's an incredible double standard
1089
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.800
founded on an extraordinary nineteenth century colonial mindset. And to
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say this, by the way, all true.
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Is not racist.
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Now you might say, well, no, I support a two
1093
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:13.119
state solution. Israel should exist, but a different kind of
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00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.000
Israeli state, different kind of politics, different kind of constitution.
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00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.119
I mean, people don't have a range of views on
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this right, I'll say, well, no, that's necessarily a racist state.
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He's arguing for one state, a one state solution, which,
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by the way, some of the most formative voices of early.
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Zionism wanted that.
1100
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That's what they wanted before, certainly before the Shower and
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the Holocaust. Certainly many people said that the idea that
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you support a one a one state, a single state
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00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.840
for Jews and Arabs in the Holy Land. If that's
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00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:50.440
your view, you think that should happen. The idea that's
1105
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:54.039
now the most racist thing you can say against Jewish people. When,
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00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:55.639
by the way, he's saying they can all stay there,
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00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.960
you might think he's wrong, You might not think it's practical, practical,
1108
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:02.599
not racist, is it.
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00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.079
It was also a very dangerous thing to say because
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obviously that there is an argument, is anti Semitism overstated?
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Is it not?
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YadA YadA?
1113
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.320
Now, obviously the events of last week show just how
1114
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:13.440
real anti Semitism is.
1115
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:16.599
And the Jewish community in Britain is small, and.
1116
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I can see why they feel under attack because there
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00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.000
are there are lots of incidents and it's a very
1118
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.920
small number of people right that they're in a very
1119
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:26.360
geographically sort of concentrated area in North London, So I
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00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.159
can see why they feel under attack. There is lots
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00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.199
of real anti Semitism, but having a viral video where
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00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:39.400
someone says Israel shouldn't exist is the most anti Semitic
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thing that anyone could possibly say. Like you listen to
1124
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.119
that yourselfs people can't really say many of the anti
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00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.239
Semitic things, then, can they that's fairly anti Semeic. No,
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I don't think it is anti semetic. And again, this
1127
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.119
is the thing that I think, you know, Zach Polanski
1128
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.079
has done very well so far, and everyone has to
1129
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.840
be very clear on like, your opinions on the constitutional
1130
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.880
arrangements of another country do not have an impact on
1131
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.199
whether or not you're a bigot, right, This is international relations,
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00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.840
international relation. Whether or not you think Israel Palestine should
1133
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.920
be a two state solution one state solution. If you
1134
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:13.639
sort of say I think all Jews should get out
1135
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.880
of the Middle East, that probably would be a bit racist.
1136
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There are many people who are to issue, are indigenous
1137
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.320
to the Middle East, and that would sort of imply
1138
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:23.840
some kind of expulsion, which would be racist. But if
1139
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.440
you're saying everyone on that bit of land should be
1140
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.239
able to stay there, which is what that dude is saying,
1141
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.239
but it should be one state called Palestine, fine, you know,
1142
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:34.800
if you think it should be called Israel, but everyone should.
1143
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:35.039
Get a vote.
1144
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.679
Fine, if you think it should be an apartheid colonial state,
1145
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.320
I think that's pretty racist actually, But also you know
1146
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.000
that's your opinion about a different country. I feel like
1147
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:50.039
we kind of need to separate people's opinions about different
1148
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.519
countries from like identity politics in the UK.
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00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.000
I wise, just it's unviable.
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00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.960
But she's basically saying, if you don't want an apartheid
1151
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.639
state in this strip, if you don't want and apartheid state,
1152
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.000
if you're saying that, actually we need one state where
1153
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:05.159
you have a quality and of the law for everybody.
1154
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.480
If if you don't want apartheid, you're the racist, and
1155
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you're not just a racist.
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00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:15.360
It's the most racist thing you say. It's crazy. Look
1157
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:16.440
right again, I'm half Ouranian.
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We had, of course, we have an ongoing war with
1159
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Iran and the United States, and there are people on
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00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.360
my timeline on next saying that we need to Balkanize Iran. Right,
1161
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.000
they would say we need to break off Azerbaijan and
1162
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:32.360
Usastan and Lauristan and Kurdistan, and you know whatever, you
1163
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.639
could say that whatever, you can say that it's another country.
1164
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.920
You know, like you say it's not racist to comment
1165
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.320
on the constitutional arrangements of a from power, I would
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say that something.
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Wise, I think it's horrible personally.
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Iran's an ancient country and it's had these minorities within it.
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I think it destabilizes the region. I think it creates
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millions of refugees. But I don't think you hate Iranians.
1171
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If you say that, I have no idea who you are.
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This lady should never met this.
1173
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Guy before it before we move on.
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Fair play to that guy.
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If if someone sort of starts shouting at you and
1176
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saying you're the most racist person ever because your opinions
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on Israel, Palliser, I think his response is just going.
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Okay, I don't think so like he did very well.
1179
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.559
Yeah, that's exactly the sort of person I want in
1180
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local government.
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00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.519
Good luck, Philip not I shouldn't really say that, should I?
1182
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But I don't know if he was standing, was.
1183
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:22.519
Just he's a candidate somewhere. But I just like that
1184
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calm and that ability to make his argument. We've just
1185
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.079
come out of a bank holiday weekend with local and
1186
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.400
national elections ahead of us this Thursday. In other words,
1187
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.320
we've not only had much discuss but a lot of
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00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:36.400
time to discuss it.
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Maybe a few beers as well.
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00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.280
In that may, sunshine al takes some analysis before will
1191
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.480
likely be the most important round of elections outside of
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00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.960
general election in recent decades. Part of that happened on
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00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:52.320
LBC on Sunday, on a show hosted by Lewis Goodle.
1194
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.880
He spoke to a range of guests about the stories
1195
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leading the news, including Labour's Secretary of State for Transport,
1196
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.719
Hidi Alexander is really saying.
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That if you go on a march to protest entirely,
1198
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legitimately against what the Israeli government is doing in Lebanon
1199
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and Gaza, and someone you don't know, has nothing to
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do with you, says that at some point in the
1201
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.320
march that you yourself are calling for terrorism against Jews.
1202
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I listened to that interview and what he said was
1203
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:18.840
he thinks that everyone's got a responsibility to call it out.
1204
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And knowing as we do what the Jewish community here,
1205
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.719
which is violence towards Jews, when people shout to globalize
1206
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:31.320
the into fada, he was saying that actually it's.
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On all of us.
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You know, if individuals go to a protest to express
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their concerns about what is happening in the Middle East,
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then actually, you know, individuals on that march, we've all
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got a responsibility to speak up.
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You have a been a protest where someone says something
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you don't agree with, I'm sure you have, but that
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didn't mean presumably you ought not to have gone on
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the protest.
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Now in the protests, you know that I went on
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many decades ago. Now, you know, we're always quite.
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Good spirited.
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I actually went on the protest against the war in
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Iraq at the time. And I you know, I don't
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remember that.
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Given a million people went on the Iraq Warmarch, someone
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may well have said globalizing to Fada. I don't think
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01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.880
anyone would have legitimately turned around to you and said
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that you were legitimizing jew hate.
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What we have seen is, you know, repeated marches. We
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have given the police power now to look at where
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you know, how you deal with this cumulative impact. You know,
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there is more protest that's happening in the country.
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Believe that he truly believes that, Why isn't he just banned.
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01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.239
Them banned marches?
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01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:48.280
Well, yes, if he believes that, though, well, he's also
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said in that same interview that he gave this week,
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Lewis that you know he.
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01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.960
Said statement that he made from Downing Street is yeah.
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And you know, look, I you know, I listened to
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01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.800
a long interview that he's given in the last couple
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01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:03.440
of days where you know, he's actually talked about the
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fact that he has long defended the right to peaceful
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01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.239
protest in this country and that's not changing now.
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01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:11.920
Except that he's telling people who go on some of
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01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:14.719
those protests that by standing next to people saying globalizing
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01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.440
to father, they're calling for terrorism against Jews.
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01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:21.199
Well, no, we've dealt with that. I've given you yeah,
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01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.199
because I've explained in the same sentence, he was just
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01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.679
saying that if you're hearing that type of you know,
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01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:32.639
pretty extreme and intimidatory behavior, perhaps we've all got a
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01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:34.559
responsibility to call it out.
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01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:36.519
What does that What does that even mean?
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01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.880
If I go on a protest and I now see
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a placard one hundred meters away. I'm wearing my glasses,
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01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.519
I can see that far and it says globalizing is
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01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:44.960
what I have.
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01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.800
To run over there. I have to call them out.
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01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.679
I have to wag my finger. What are you even
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01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:51.360
talking about?
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01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.920
The idea that a million people on a protest are
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01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.519
somehow culpable for what maybe one hundred people in that
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01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:59.639
process think for a thousand or ten thousand or one
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01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.960
thousand follow the This is so arbitry. What's the line
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01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:07.480
if it's just one person, a thousand people, At what
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01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.920
point does it matter? None of this is remotely coherent intellectually.
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01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.079
In that same conversation, good Will quized Alexander.
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He said about the actions of those two brave Metropolitan
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01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:23.159
Police officers was pretty disgusting. He's rightly apologized. But I
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01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:26.559
do think someone that is so quick to jump to
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their phone to be retweeting that type of content is
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01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.360
not really fit to be leading a political party in
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this country.
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Well, so tweeting something stupid is disqualifying from leading a
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01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:38.559
political party, But appointing a friend of the one of
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01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:40.880
the worst pedophiles of our age for one of the
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01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:43.719
most prestigious diplomatic posts we have, that's not disqualifying.
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01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:47.800
Well that We've had weeks of discussion about Peter Mandelson
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01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:51.079
and the Prime Minister has said he made a mistake
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01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.719
and he's apologized for that. I've never seen, you know,
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01:02:54.840 --> 01:03:00.920
our Prime minister, you know, criticize the metro Politan police
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01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.400
who were doing an incredibly brave job. You've only got
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01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.480
a look at that video and the footage of what
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01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:07.639
was going on there.
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And in someone who who was a friend of one
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01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:12.599
of the worst pe defiles of our aga. But that's
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01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.800
not disqualifying, but and actually be tweeting something stupid that ya,
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01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:17.159
but based.
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01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.119
Upon information where you know he and his staff weren't
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01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.599
given full information. He was effectively lied to about the
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01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.639
nature of the relationship between Peter Manerston and Jeffrey Epstein.
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01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:32.239
Well, you can certainly see why they don't want a
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01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.199
leadership contest and the Labor Party if this is the
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01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.760
caliber of their OWNPCE. Look, people should be prunent about
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01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.880
social media use, absolutely, particularly political leaders.
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01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.119
They should set an example.
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01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:49.360
But one retweet should disqualify someone from public office. Really, well,
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01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.559
if that was the case, nobody would be in politics.
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01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:53.760
I'd have been banned dozens of times.
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01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:55.960
Maybe these people think I shouldn't even be out on
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01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:57.400
YouTube because are bad retweets?
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Who knows?
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01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:02.360
And clearly it isn't worse and appointing Peter Mandelson as.
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A massador to Washington? Grow up?
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01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:11.159
Why do I feel like the entire political class make
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01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:13.400
less sense than my daughter, who, by the way, is
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01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:18.400
two and a half years old. Their complacency, sense of
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01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:26.039
entitlement and incompetence has gelled into this manufacturer of a
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01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:31.159
completely parallel reality where one retweet means you can no
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01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.360
longer be a legitimate actor on the national political stage.
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01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:37.519
And again, the one retweet wasn't even I disagreed with
1308
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:38.039
the retweet.
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01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:38.840
I've been over there.
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01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:40.960
Lots of people got angry at me in the comments.
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01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:44.880
But he didn't retweet something racist. He didn't retweet a
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01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.840
threat against anyone. He retweeted a video which was questioning
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01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.400
some police kicking a guy in the head. Right now,
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01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:54.360
I think, given the context as a party leader, that
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01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:59.719
was a bit of a mistake. It's not outrageous, it's fine, right.
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01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.920
This whole thing is bonkers, and I mean the Heidy
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01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.280
Alexander one in a way, you know, because with kemmy
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01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.039
Baden not When I watched that, you know, it infuriates
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01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:12.199
me because she's so clearly trying to, I suppose, whip
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01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.119
up a frenzy, which is so irresponsible because it is
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01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.360
going to sort of heighten anti Semitism, it's going to
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01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.519
heighten his Lamophobias. It's just really bad for Communic relations
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01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:23.320
in the UK for completely single reason. Hidy Alexander, you
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01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:25.079
watch that, She's.
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01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.000
Not enjoying it. She doesn't believe a single thing she's saying.
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Look at that.
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01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.440
I mean, He's like, you, you've been on demonstrations that
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01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.079
did not She's like, Oh, I haven't been on demonstration
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01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:33.719
for a while.
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Yeah maybe I don't know. We've we've covered that, haven't
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we have? Just oh, you know, produce.
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01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.880
Let's just she seemed like she just didn't want to
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01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.239
be that. I mean, because no one could really bother
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01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.159
to defend kids time anymore now, because I don't think
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01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:49.360
it's going to be there for very long. So I
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01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.599
think like she was just like, can we can we
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01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:52.599
wrap this up soon?
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01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:53.119
Please?
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01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:55.400
Because I know I'm not persuaded. I know I'm not
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01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.079
convincing anyone with this interview. That was the impression I
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01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.760
got watching that. Sad.
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01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.880
I don't know. I think they've spun so much nonsense.
1343
01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.719
I do genuinely believe it's almost like a psychological condition
1344
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:10.760
now of much of the Labor Party establishment. They've just
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01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:14.039
spun so many turnat they're constantly weaving a new reality.
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01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.440
You know, we knew four hundred seats would vote leave
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01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:18.320
in a second referendum.
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01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:19.679
They weave this new reality.
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01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:23.079
No, there's an overwhelming appetite to vote remain where you
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01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:25.840
you want to send he but these guys don't, and
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01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:27.719
even if it's a majority of the country, then they're
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01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.400
geographically concentrated in such a way that you're losing the
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01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:36.840
general election. We saw it with Corbyn, the constantly Boris
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01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:40.239
Johnson agree or disagree, you should think maybe he should
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01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:43.039
leave or shouldn't leave. COVID, of course, was a very
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01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:47.159
important and unique political context. But they're constantly trying to
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01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.880
manufacture outrages. You might say sometimes legitimately, but they're constantly
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01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.280
trying to manufacture outrages.
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01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:53.679
And it feels to me that the labor.
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01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:58.679
Right, their idea of politics, is literally telling you what
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01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.920
to feel, what to think, not how to think, what
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01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:03.480
to feel.
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01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:05.679
You know, you should feel outraged at this. Why I
1364
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:07.320
don't know why. I just feel outraged.
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01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.480
On that same show, Good also spoke to Conservative MP
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Helen Waiteley.
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01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:15.679
Well, what you're leading in factor said that anti Semitism
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01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:19.760
cannot remain acceptable in supposedly polite dinner party conversations.
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01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:20.880
What does she mean by that?
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01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:21.840
What does she have in mind?
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01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:24.239
So that's just one of the things that's been pulled
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out from an inter in an article that she's written
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on this talking about the fact that it's almost become normalized,
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01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.400
I guess in currency and somewhat under the guise of
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01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:38.480
of pro Palestine, and to some extent.
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People have been anti submits.
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01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.880
No, I haven't, But what I have heard is people
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thinking that if they are of advocating for Palestine, then
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they're kind of somehow on the side of the sort
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01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:52.719
of on the side of virtue. Well, actually, you look
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01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.039
at some of the protests that have taken place, which
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01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.119
have been actually strongly anti Israel and including people calling
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01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:00.920
for the end of Israel and for Jewish people to
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01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.599
be Criticism of Israel.
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And anti Semitism are not the same thing, are they?
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And indeed it's dangerous to allied them.
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01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.760
But what we're seeing is is that the two things.
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Actually being bundled together and people not realizing that if
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01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.800
they are getting involved in that, they're becoming part of
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01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.199
this whole movement against You.
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01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:23.039
Want to protest, protesting Israeli government policy and not be
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01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:23.720
anti submittic.
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01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:26.199
So I think there's the problem is that what we've
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seen happen with some of the protests as they've become
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01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:31.560
Jews on these breeding some of them have become breeding
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01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:38.079
grounds for anti Semitism and extremism, and this has to
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01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:40.560
be called out. It is not okay. They're truly they're
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01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.840
not just peaceful protests. They are truly hate marchers.
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Again, it's a political line, right, they are hate march as.
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They're telling you what to feel, hate strong word, telling
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you what to feel. What I think, this is my argument,
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01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.680
this is my policy, how you should feel. It feels
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01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:00.960
like that's the whole of politics now, particularly in the
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01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:05.479
days before these local elections. Right, it's project fear, not
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01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.479
just from one party against another, every party against every
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01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.000
other party, including by the way, Reform against the Greens,
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01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:14.079
which to me in the case they kind of joined
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01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:16.359
the UNI party. We'll talk about that, I guess in
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the weeks ahead. Let's see what Weitley said next, in
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response to a fantastic question from Lewis Goodell, would.
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You be happy with, say, Tommy Robinson's marches, which included
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01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:27.960
Elon Musk calling for the overthrow of our government?
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01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:29.319
You're happy for that to go out.
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01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.680
I don't believe that Tommy Robinson here is talking about
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wanting to get rid of Israel and eradicate the Jewish.
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01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.520
That is a computer, but that multiple demonstrations, not just
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here has, but including Britain. First rallies, for example, we've
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seen crowds chatting things like Allah as a pedophile, Muslim
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01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:48.399
bombers off our street signs reading stop Islam, ban Islam,
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or framing Islam as inherently violent or incompatible with Britain.
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Lots of Muslims would see that and think that threatens me,
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should they be banned.
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01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:58.319
So I want a tolerance society and I want people
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01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.680
to be able to, you know, freely protest and express
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01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.520
their views. But what I don't want is a situation
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where we start tolerating events which are basically calling for
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01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.840
the eradication of the eradication of.
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01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.960
The left to be deported from right.
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01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.039
But I don't want to see where people where Jewish
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people are basically under threat and it's seen as somehow acceptable.
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Completely calling and that's completely fine. I'm just wondering where
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01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:27.920
the line is because you're saying that that's a problem,
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01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:29.479
and lots of people will agree with you, but there'll
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be lots of Muslims who think that those things I've
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01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.359
just described are also a problem make them feel unsafe.
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01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:35.479
But you're saying that's fine.
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01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:38.439
I think if somebody is calling to death to a Muslims.
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I'd be against that too. I'd treat the same things,
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01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.359
to treat those things equally. But that is not what
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01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.760
I'm hearing. What I'm hearing is different things going on here.
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01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.079
And as I said, what is very clearly wrong and
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01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:52.560
what has gone wrong in this country is allowing marches
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which are essentially calling death to death to Jewish people.
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01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:59.000
I mean you're saying that not everyone, I mean, you know,
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not everyone clear really at those marches for for Gaza
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and Palestine would be racist.
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Clearly they wouldn't be.
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But you're saying that some of the people there are
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racist and are calling for a violent, appalling things. So
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on the basis of that logic, you would ban Tommy
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Robinson's rally because some of the people, not all the
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people that are racist and calling for appalling things, but
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some people are.
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I've explained my position. It feels to me like we
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stand it well. It feels like we're going around and around
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the circles. So I don't see the benefit and going
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on as to one thing, but.
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It is it is consistent and.
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One calling for a death to you know, a group
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of people that is not okay, the right thing band Muslims.
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Basically, how is that? How is that not people?
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How is that not It's not really dangerous to group
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of people when you're saying ban is lamb Muslims from.
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This calling for the death of a whole you know,
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of people, of the Jewish people.
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That is not something Judaism would be.
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Okay.
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I just so what we're saying, I think going into hypotheticals.
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What about this?
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What about that?
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We're seeing what's happened, what we've seen.
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He got you hell, and it's not hypothetical. It happens,
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absolutely correct. Nobody, nobody, nobody is out of Palestine demo
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on a platform saying kill every Jewish person in the
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world of fifty million people.
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Nobody's saying that. If they were.
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Saying that, first of all, it's an incitement, it's criminal offense.
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We don't know about that case. If they were from overseas,
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they would not be allowed back in the country. Has
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happened with a speaker who was a Tommy Robinson protess.
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That's not happening. So they're talking about things which aren't happening.
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To stigmatize and demonize a group of people, you have
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to ask yourselves why Michael, you said before Hidi, Alexander
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was kind of phoning it in.
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Shouldn't real believe in what she was saying?
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She was worse. She was worse, She was much worse.
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I mean, I just like the first question, like the
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first answer was really fighting it in because he's asking
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a question about consistency. You're saying, there are some racist
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people on this march, so the whole thing should be canceled.
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And you know, again, I think that's massively stated. But
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there are also some racist people on this march, So
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why shouldn't that be a bunch? Well, Tommy Robinson doesn't
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want to get rid of Israel, So no, that's not
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the basis of the question. The basis of the question
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is that the only offensive thing that one can say
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is not about Israel.
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There are other issues in.
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The World's like, oh no, why would we ban the
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march if it's not about Israel? I thought, this is
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aren't we talking about Israel? We can talk about other things.
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There are other issues in the world then Israel. Right,
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But it just doesn't compute for her that it is
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consistent because Alexander say, like, we've dealt with this. She says,
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consistent it's like fair play to lou Is good because
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he he seemed like, you know, he's had his wheat pisse,
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he had his coffee. He was kind of enjoying that
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he has got these two cents. Politicians who have sort
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of been given their lines have no game whatsoever, just like, oh,
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can we should we end it?
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Now?
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He gets to decide when it ends, which is it
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was fair goodness?
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I mean, no, wonder the country's got problems. If this
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is the caliber of the political class and they can't
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even talk about the problems that afflict this country. Now
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you might be saying, we've done a whole show on this,
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because it's literally the media's talked about the last four
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days and they're doing that, and the two major parties
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doing that because we have local elections on Thursday.
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Now, wonder we have major problems.
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And by the way, inflation is about to go really high,
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the costs of British debt higher since nineteen ninety eight.
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These are real stories that we could have talked about,
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we should talk about, we will talk about over the
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coming days. But the political class on the media don't
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want to talk about any of this stuff, just like
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the Corbyn right twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, they didn't
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want to talk about policy, and all of a sudden,
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as soon as Corbin lost, they.
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Wow Britain's and decline. Have you noticed?
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I think local authorities aren't founded anymore. Nothing works, high
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streets that like crap. How did that happen? Why hasn't
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he been talking about this? The Left tried to talk
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about it for the last decade, and you just want
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to talk about why Israel is wonderful heaven on earth. Michael,
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any final words before we wrap up?
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No, I mean, in terms of real issues the problem
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with this country. We're going to spend most of tomorrow's
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show talking about infrastructure in China, so we're going to
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move away from the media bubble talk about how we
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actually could have a more functioning public sphere.
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We'll be making the case for a one party state.
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Like not my personal view.
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I like multi party politics, although I could be persuaded.
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Just joking.
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This has been a really, really fun show. We're running
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slightly over god forro an hour and twenty We normally
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do an hour. If you like what we're doing here
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in of our media, you can of coupport our work.
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Going to the biomy dot Com Forward Slash Support.
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I don't know about you.
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I started this organization when my co founder James Butler,
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precisely because for years decades I saw these kinds of
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stories in the media. Nobody was pushing back, and I thought,
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in twenty ten, twenty eleven, it's time we do something differently.
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If you agree, if.
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You think we need a media voice that is not
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willing to just repeat the nonsense from the likes of
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the BBC Sky Channel. For the papers to support our
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work doesn't mean they're always wrong. They do some very
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good work, but on these major headline issues, particularly in
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British politics, my goodness, you're looking at one big bandwagon.
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Help us break it. Support Navarro Media. Thanks again to Michael,
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and thanks to everyone for tuning in tonight. Come back
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tomorrow for another show from six pm. For now you've
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been watching Naviari Media. Good night,
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Welcome to Navara Live coming up tonight, got a sense
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of deja vu. No surprise if so, since Labor is
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once again weaponizing anti semitism against who else the left,
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Met Commissioner Mark Rowley seems to be spreading disinformation over
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the anti genocide marchers in the Capitol. Some people are
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desperate to say that any criticism of Israel whatsoever is
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anti Semitism, and it was good. It gives some politicians
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a pretty hard time of for being utterly incoherent. I'm
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o understanding, and tonight I have the immense pleasure, the joy,
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the satisfaction of being joined by Michael Walker. Michael, how
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are we very well?
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I like to kind of pride myself on remaining relatively
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relaxed because I'm covering the news cycle. But even this
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weekend I found myself shouting at the screen, Wow, so
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much nonsense.
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Even me, as somebody who knows Michael very well, that
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really is saying something. Maybe you were in the same boat, frustrated, angry.
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What can I do? Well, I'll tell you what you
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can do. You can, of course, help us build a
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new media for different politics.
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Sign up top.
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I'll work by going to varmy dot com forward slash support.
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Do something with that frustration, channel your anger, help the
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virum media.
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And for politicians to weighe in as Zach Blanski did
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is disgraceful. He's not fit to lead any political party.
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Do you agree with the UK's counter terro chief who
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said that anti Semitism is the biggest national security emergency.
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I wasn't asking you about Benjamin etna Who's actions. I
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was asking if you agree with that view.
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He is using his Jewish ancestry as a shield to
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protect him from what he's doing. He himself is inciting
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hatred again. In his interview with you, he repeated the
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canard that the Israelis are committing genocide.
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Now, people like mister Pilansky and like his deputy, one
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of his deputies, Mothinally, are playing politics with the hatred
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that the Jewish community is regularly experiencing.
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Now, unless you've been on a rock all weekend, you'll
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know that the Labour Party and the mainstream media have
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fired up their political smear mashine, this time aimed directly
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at Green Party leader Zach Polanski, and they haven't been
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shy of stooping to a bit of anti Semitism themselves,
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as alleged by Polanski, illustrated by this cartoon published in
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The Times on Saturday. That same day, the Mail ran
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with this headline Extraordinary, accusing Polanski's party of being a
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party of poison in relation to anti Semitism in the
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wake of a knife attack on two Jewish men in
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North London last week. Polansky has found himself dragged into
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a political mailstrom over anti Semitism in the Green Party
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after he reposted a tweak questioning the level of violence
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used by arresting police officers at the Sea and the
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media was hard at work on Sunday trying to implicate
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him in putting British Jews at risk. This was Trevor
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Phillips on Sky.
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Is it a matter for a conversation or do you
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accept that actually there's not a perception there is act
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well unsafety.
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Well, I think the conversation is rolling out right now.
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I definitely think there's unsafety for Jewish people. And I
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never said there wasn't. I said both were unacceptable when
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I talked.
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What you said is there needs to be a conversation.
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I look at your words right, which suggests that you
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think that there's a choice, and that perhaps some people
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might be thinking that there's a problem, but there isn't
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really a problem. So you're telling me this morning, that's
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not a question, that's not in question. You accept that
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there is actual unsafety and that's what's going to be tackled.
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And what I said was fut on.
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There are times when Jewish people, including myself, actively unsafe.
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That's clearly, very true, and it's always been true. There's
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also times where we hear marches, Palestinian marches that I,
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as a Jewish person, walk on, where Jewish people say
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that makes them feel unsafe. Now, I don't think that
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actually makes them unsafe, clearly because I'm a Jewish person
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who is on that march. So I think it's about
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having a conversation about how do we ensure that Jewish
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people are safe and Jewish people feel safe at times
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when they may perceive themselves to be unsafe.
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Oh, that's interesting. So these marches where many Jewish people, frankly,
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most Jewish people that you or I would meet, say
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that they feel it makes them unsafe. Let me put
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a like the thought of experiment to imagine you are
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talking to shlowmy rand or Norman Shine.
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Two men who were stabbed in Golders Green.
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How do you persuade them that what happened to them
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was somehow kind of in their imaginations. I mean, you've
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got to be clear about this. You can't have it
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both ways. Either there is something real here, or you're
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saying that some Jewish people are not making it up,
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but they're imagining something that is real that isn't real.
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Tray. That's an outrageous distortion of what I just said.
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No, I'm kind of repeating what you've just said, what
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you said earlier in the week, and what you've just
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said to me.
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Actually, if people are stabbed, then that is clearly unsafe.
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It's beyond unsafe. It's outrageous and it's horrific the attack
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that happened. We should not I must not pit people
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facing physical violence against people's freedom of speech and ability
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to march in relation to a genocide in Palestine.
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Now, I don't know about you, but if I had
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a relative, loved one friend who was stabbed by somebody
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on the street, and that person had previously been referred
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to prevent they'd attacked other people in the past, they'd
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stabbed somebody else, earlier on the day they'd managed to
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carry on. My first questions would be directed towards the police.
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I might not blame the police. I might blame the police.
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I might blame prevent I'd have a big question as
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to how somebody, with the set of problems that we
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now know this person had in terms of their mental wellbeing,
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their history, how they were able to do something like
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this again. And we see this time after time, we
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sort of axel Rulu Cabana.
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We saw it in Nottingham.
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There are clearly holistic failures with regards to how we
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deal with people who have mental health issues in this country, clearly,
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and you'll have a range if you use on that how.
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We addressed it.
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If somebody stabbed, like I said, a loved one or
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a friend of mine, and that was the scenario, you
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I might bliad the government.
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member of the London Assembly.
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Say how dare you You've let me down?
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Does that make any sense? Not at all, unless, of
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course you're in the media. Polanski, predictably enough, was not
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The person who is conflating anti Semitism government is Benjaminatta and.
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Yahoo, no, no, no, no, no, let's not get onto that. I
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asked you about the feelings of the Jewish community in
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this country, almost nothing to do with what you've just
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started to go onto. And you seem still unsure whether
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you believe Jews in Britain are unsafe or whether you think,
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actually it's not as bad as Trump people are making
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it out.
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That's not what I said at all, And that's not
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what I said last week. I said there are people
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who are unsafe Jewish people, and that's clearly true. There
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are also people who feel like the marches are hate marches.
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I'm saying, as a Jewish person who marches with many
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Jewish people against the occupation in Palestine, when people say
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that makes them feel unsafe, that's a distortion of what
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the march is.
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Inquiry definition of a hate crime as a crime an
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incident where either the victim or anybody else who happens
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to be there perceives it to be a crime motivated
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by hatred. Because there are thousands and thousands of Jews
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in this city, London who think that those marches that
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you're saying you don't feel intimidated by, they think these
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are hate marches. So you're saying that the McPherson Inquiry
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the certain definition, which is what the government stands behind
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That's wrong.
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Well, as I repeat as a Jewish person, I march
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with many Jewish people on those marches.
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Now they're already laws today.
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You're not all Jews. I'm just saying that currently the
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Well, why is my Jewish identity being raised from this conversation?
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I'm not erasing it. So many people I try that
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they are a victim or not, it is recorded as
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such by the police, it is regarded as such by
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the court. What you are saying is because you don't
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think it's a hate crime.
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those should be dealt with them. There's already laws of those.
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people who are marching for peace.
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hate marchers, then I think, yes, that is a perception issue.
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time whatsoever of a standpoint epistemology right, which is to
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the world. As a guy who's half Iranian, I get
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to determine what's racism against Iranians.
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Michael's a gay guy.
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As a gay guy, he gets to determine what's homophobic.
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Trevor Phillips hasn't the slightest time for that as an
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interpretive lens for the world, including by the way, for
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black people. He's black, right, unless you're Jewish. I'll go
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further even still, unless you're a Zionist Jewish person, if
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you're an anti Zionist Jewish person, they exist. They're not
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a majority of Jews in this country, but there's lots
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standpoint of pistemology. Not only does he not think that
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exists for everybody else, he condemns it. Actually he rallies
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against it. But here he's mobilizing the exact same thought
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architecture so effectively defend Israel and to defend apologists for Israel.
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But Trevor Phillips is like so many people in the
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media leading political parties in this country, which is anti
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work except for Jews. Right, So Trevor Phillips specifically, and
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think often he says interesting things, which is a controversial
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figure because he's willing to break taboos. So when it
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came to sort of Islamophobia, he's made documentary saying I
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a nation, and this is a big problem. And guess what,
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there were some Muslims who said that what he did
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was wrong. So Nasha are very prominent Muslim said some
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of the things he has said on public record would
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not be acceptable to any minority community. Now, if we
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treat more the same way that Trevor Phillips wants us
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to treat Jews, that means he's committed a hate crime. Essentially,
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this idea that we can run a country, that we
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can live in a multicultural society when everyone gets to
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define the oppression against themselves is it's completely unworkable. And
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then objective actual abuse. Right, we need to look at data,
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we need to look at evidence. The fact that people
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think of March is anti semitic doesn't make it anti semitic. Now,
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with reference to the mcperson report, which Trevor Phillips sort
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of kept referencing, I think it, you know, it does
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make the reasonable point whereby police should record as a
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reported hate incident if someone feels like they have been
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abused or if they have been subject to a hate crime.
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do think that if many people in the Jewish community
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any group, or if any members of a minority community
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to a hate crime, sure we should take that seriously.
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actually happened, and you have to look at objective evidence. Now,
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data and evidence in front of my face was that
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this was a very peaceful group of people who were annoyed,
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not annoyed, outraged that there were women and children being
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killed halfway across the world by a government that wants
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to expand its own borders, who are getting the support
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of our government.
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the anti racist racists, all coming before a local election.
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an election. So Jeremy Corbyn with the mural, obviously the
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stupid mural that he was stupid to have ever commented on.
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local elections coming up. Oh suddenly this is a big story.
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things get dug up, which can then get spun in
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a sort of sinister way. And everyone's just watching this
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on the TV thinking, I don't really understand what's going on,
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seems like that leader is a bit incompetent, or maybe
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they're a bit sinister. I can't really follow the details.
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I don't think people can really explain what zach Planski
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may have done wrong, but all they're hearing is headline
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on the radio Zach Polanski, anti Semitism, Zach Polanski, pro terrorist,
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and that just sort of casually gets absorbed. And that's
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why this is so I mean, potentially effective, let's hope not.
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exact same voices, And like you said, there's not a
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clear line of attack necessarily against Zak Polanski other than
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this retweet that was a substantial thing they could criticize.
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It's generally you need to deal with this issue in
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your party and we can talk and we will talk
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about the comparisons with this line of attack to what
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we saw with Jeremy Corbyn. But it's so different in
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many ways. Right, Jeremy Corbyn could have been the prime
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minister in twenty nineteen and twenty seventy. Of course they
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thought it was impossible after before twenty seventeen, they didn't
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really bother after twenty seventeen. This stuff goes into overdrop
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because he could have been the prime minister. Now, if
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you do think that guy is a racist, I obviously
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don't think that. If you do think that, I can
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see why the stakes are raised. Right, Zach Paralanski's not
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going to be the Prome minister Zack.
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Plansky's going to lead.
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maybe a forty mpiece. You know, you cannot compare it
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to an MP. He also doesn't have the same record.
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was calling Corbyn's Labor Party and he's Semitic years ago.
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It's quite extraordinary.
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over tonight's show, but also over the coming days and weeks,
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is that fundamentally, if you criticize Israel, some people in
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the British media political landscape will call you an anti
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semi fundamentally, even if you agree with them on every
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single aspect of this debate at home, domestically, everything a dot,
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the acheray, you expel every candidate they want you to
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get rid of, you agree with them, and what kind
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of speech is permissible if you support an independent, free,
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autonomous Palestine, the cause of the Palestinian people. There is
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a certain section of these people who will oppose you,
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smear you, try and get rid of you by fair
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means or foul, and let's be honest, it won't be
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very fair. Now there have been issues with Green Party candidates.
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It's important to say who have been found to make
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and semitic comments ahead of Thursday's elections. Last week, two
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Green Party candidates were arrested over alleged an semitic posts online,
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and while the figures aren't known precisely, the media has
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reported that quote a number of members have been suspended
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from the party over such posts. Senior Green Party figures,
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on the other hand, have called it handful, So presumably
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we're talking around five, six, maybe a dozen people we
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don't really know, probably several in all likelihood. That hasn't
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stopped some people, though, like Hadley Freeman in The Times
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accusing the Greens of being quote full of due hating
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candidates up for election.
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I'm just so tired of this tone. Frankly so does.
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The Green Party have an endemic an sematism problem? That
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was the question posed by Laura Kunsberg on Sunday. She
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asked Polanski precisely that question on the BBC.
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Is somebody who expresses that, or somebody who says that
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Jews are cockroaches, or somebody who shares claims saying that
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Jews are commanded by the Old Testament to kill children.
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Are people who express those kinds of views they fit
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for office? Should they be running as candidates in your party?
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No?
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Absolutely not, And there's a Jewish person in those comments
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discussed me. It's important that we let the discliny process
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take its place, and that's exactly.
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What we have.
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Why are there people then on the ballot for the
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Green Party who have expressed those sorts of views. If
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you say they shouldn't be running for office.
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Well, as you know, when people are on the ballot
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paper from nomination day, it's impossible to withdraw them.
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Sometimes parties find out about things after the event, but
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some of these things were flagged before the ballot papers
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were printed. Some of these candidates are still running as
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part of the Green Party, with people campaigning for them
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around the country.
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I don't know about those individual cases in terms of
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that being flaged, but let me answer more widely. I
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think we clearly do need to have a better vetting process,
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and that's something I've taken away from this election.
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We have four thousand, five hundred candidates. We have a
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handful of cases where anti semitism has been accused. One
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case is one case too many. But I don't want
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to do what boutery. But you have Nigel Ferads who
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has twenty people saying as a child who made some
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pretty anti semitary today.
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To go to And then you mentioned another political leader.
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And of course we will talk to all the political
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parties about these issues, and we have talked to Reform
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about it on other occasions. But do you believe that
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you have a particular problem with anti semitism in your party?
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No?
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I don't believe we have a particular problem compared to
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wider society and other political parties.
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In terms of those candidates who have been discovered to
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have express views like that. Would you tell people here
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today don't vote for them, they don't stand for you,
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That's right.
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I can't believe we're back here again. I genuinely can't
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believe we're back here again. And I sincerely think it's
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quite possible that in twenty a time there'll be in
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the viron media twenty million subscribers on YouTube. There'll be
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some insurgent left wing party, and you know they'll say,
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you know what, we should try and do so much
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child poverty and the entire media establishment becoming man Semites.
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Now you might think these answers are pretty reasonable, or
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you might think that plans Ky needs to do more.
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But the Labor Party has abandoned nuance altogether. This was
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a new campaign ad posted by them on Monday.
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The word andy Semitic has lost all meaning. I've yet
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to see a Zionist act in kindness or with love
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and compassion.
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Today.
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England has a government over represented with Siinist Jews, and
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it appears they care more for Israel than England. The
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leaders of Israel and Gauza conspired to carry out what
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happened on October seventh for financial gain, the London ambulance attack.
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Of course it was a false flag. Ramming a synagogue
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is an anti Semitism, it's revenge. Takes a serious effort
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not to be a tiny bit anti Semitic. The money
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grubbing thieves have built mountains of money over century Jewish hawkroaches.
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I don't believe any of these things. I've lived in
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the UK almost sixty years. I've lived happily in a
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wonderfully diverse community as a Jewish person. None of these
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statements are criticisms of Israel. They are all stereotypes, demonizations,
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or conspiracy theories of Jews at large. They are anti Semitic,
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They are racism towards Jews. But every single one of
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them was said or written or shared by people who
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are standing for election for the Green Party in the
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local elections this year, some of them for the place
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I live, perhaps with the place where you live. I
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don't want to be represented by people who think like this,
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and I don't think you do either.
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We were just listening to that and the first one
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that you heard there, the first apparently Anthemitic thing, and
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of course many Anthemitic things we just said there a
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moment ago.
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The word anthemitic has lost all meaning.
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I mean, if you say that you now are Rasis,
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and by the way, you hear the all the time,
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don't you. The word Islamophobia has lost all meaning. People
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say that all the time. I don't presume if somebody
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says that they're an Islamophobe personally, I don't agree with
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Labor that we should have some definition of islmophobe. I
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don't agree with that. I believe in free speech. Anyway,
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we'll talk about it's more of the course the rest
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of the show. Some of that might be sticking on
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what you just heard with that advert there and More
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in Common have released some polling on the popularity of
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the various party leaders today and it appears to show
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that Polanski's approval rating has fallen some fourteen points over
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the last week. He's still far ahead of Kirstama, but
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he's stipped below the likes of Chemic bad knock At, Davian,
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Nigel Farraj. It's worth pointing out, however, that More in
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Common doesn't appear to have started tracking plants until fairly recently,
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probably around early April. So there's some sucker there, maybe
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for the Greens, but it certainly not good.
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Michael.
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On a very basic level, it's kind of bizarre to
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see this level of intensity and attack against the party
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led by a Jewish guy with five MPs, which has
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no hopes of winning the next general election, at least
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when we saw it against Corbyn before twenty nineteen. You know,
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two party system. One party wants to win, the other
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parties led by this guy.
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Again. It's about high stakes, right, it makes sense.
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The stakes are incredibly low comparatively speaking, and it's like
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the Labor Party and much of the media establishment has
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got a bazookraw, you know, and they're let's blow this
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guy up.
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Metaphorically, it's exactly the same unhearly alliance when you've got
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sort of an opportunistic labor right, the right wing preyers
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the toy. Is everyone parting in the Israel lobby? Yes,
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I'm pretty sure they're involved. Who are all coming in
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at once to try and destroy a person. Now, in
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a way, this is a bit of a natural experiment
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now ously obviously the states are quite high. But in
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terms of what I'm interested to see, when it came
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to Jeremy Corbyn, it was always difficult to sort of
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work out what would have happened were he a bit
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more competent in terms of sort of rebutting or acting swiftly.
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So my opinion when it came to the Labour Party
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under Krwyn was they should have been much quicker kicking
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out people who were saying sort of anti Semitic things
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that weren't that were sort of anti semitic, or if
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they were borderline, but weren't about Israel.
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Just quickly get rid of them, you know.
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I think he sort of dall for a bit too long,
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but then also be very explicit and very firm and
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very outspoken when it comes to the difference between anti
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Semitism and anti Zionism. And I think Corbyn sort of
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failed really to do both of those. And also he
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was not very effective at rebutting arguments put to him
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because he got a bit annoyed in interviews and it
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wasn't really the job he was designed for. Let's say
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Zach Polanski so far, I mean, we've talked about I
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talked a lot on Friday about how I thought the
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retweet about sort of how the police tried to disarm
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a man holding a knife who just stabbed to people.
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I thought that retweet was a mistake. But how Zach
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Polanski has responded to the anti semitism smears is perfect.
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It's pitch perfect.
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He said, those people who have said these things, don't
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vote for them. They're going to get kicked out. But
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also we need to be very clear about the difference
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between perception and reality, and criticism of Israel is not
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anti semitic, and I think he.
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And I suppose the way it's a natural experiment.
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It's because it is possible that he does everything right
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and still the combined force of the labor right, the
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right wing press, all the other political parties and the
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Israel lobby is enough to bring him down. Now, we
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saw with sort of someone like Zora mm Danney, they
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tried and he was so articulate that he managed to
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push back and was won the election. Was a very
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successful politician. So maybe it's possible. I don't think it's
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sort of. We shouldn't yet be completely resigned to the
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fact that if you upset this coalition of people, you
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can't go anywhere. But yes, it's interesting to wear what
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could have happened were Corbyn slightly more articulate on questions
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such as this. I mean, another thing that I've been
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a bit surprised by is my analysis of why this
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was always so damaging for Jeremy Corbyn was that because
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so many backbench MP's were sort of aligned with the
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right wing press in the Israel lobby opportunistically. Often often
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it wasn't ideological, it was just because they wanted to
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bring this guy down. Then all of the political editors
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you know, whether or not they are ideologically aligned, could
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say this is a party management story. So it's just
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constantly a party management story. The leader of the Labor
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Party is opposed by all of these Labor MPs who
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are calling him racist. Doesn't matter whether or not they're right.
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This is an interesting phenomenon in and of itself, so
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let's report about it endlessly. Now is Zach Polanski. You've
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got a party leader where a bunch of other political
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parties are calling him bad. Now that's not an interesting phenomenon.
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That's normal politics. So the media can't really say, we're
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not making a judgment as to whether or not this
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is anti semitism or if there is, you know, fire
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with the smoke. So I suppose I'm interested in how
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long they can keep this going and whether or not
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that I overstated the extent to which the reason why
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this was able to do so much damage to Jeremy
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Corbyn was because of the fact that back bench MP's
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were willing to make it a party management issue.
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I'd also had he's Jewish. Yeah, he's a much.
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Better media performance with regards to defending stuff like this,
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And I agree with you. Jeremy didn't want to do that.
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He didn't have a history of having to do it right.
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I think it really shook him. As a guy who'd
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been an anti racist campaigning on these issues for decades,
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all of a sudden he.
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Was being called something very different than by the media.
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He was very unprepared for that.
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Zach is better at that stuff, but he's also Jewish
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and if they can do it to him, You're right
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that this line of attack and this coalition is a
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pretty big deal. I don't think they can quote unquote
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bring Zack Plansky down. What they can do is blunt him.
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What they can do is kill Hope. So what's behind
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the heightened pressure on the Greens? The party canntinues to
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surge ahead of Thursday as local elections as well as
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national elections in Scotland and Wales. As a result, they're
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putting a huge amount of pressure on Labor, especially in
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areas the party really cares about, like London. A new
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mrp pole from more in Common shows how tight the
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race between Labor and the Greens will be in at
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least six London boroughs, with the two parties being within
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a five point margin in each of them. In Hackney,
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the Greens lead Labor by three points, and in Lambeth,
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Subwok and Islington there's barely a point between them. Those
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predictions give you some sense of the collapse of the
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Labor vote in the capital, but it's only partial. This
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graph compares how Labor fared in the equivalent local elections
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in London four years ago in twenty twenty two. Back then,
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it got over forty percent of the vote share in
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twenty one out of London's thirty two burroughs, that's two
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thirds of them on Thursday. They're not expected to get
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over forty percent in a single war a catastrophe in
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the Capitol for the party of government, but more in
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common has also modeled how far Labour's popularity has fallen
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in London since the twenty twenty four general election. Based
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on those results, Labour has lost fifteen percent of the
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vote share when it comes to how people in London
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now intend to vote, whereas the Greens have been by
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far the largest beneficiary of that collapse, picking up ten percent.
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Of course, they did very well by their standards in
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London two years ago. The Greens are putting pressure on
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Labour in London, but they're also doing it in the
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national elections in Scotland and Wales as well, where Labour's
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vote has collapsed, and in the northeast and north of England,
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Reform is going to take a large bite out of
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labor dominance in multiple local authorities. A significant factor in
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the crisis now facing Labor is, of course, Kirstarmer's decision
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to appoint Epstein Pale Peter Mandelson as Britain's ambassador to
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the United States in Scotland that led Scottish Labor leader
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and Assawa to distance themselves from the PM last month,
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and writing for the newspaper The Independent today, Sahwah has
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made clear to Scottish voters how disappointed he is in
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Starma and making clear that a vote for labor north
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of the border is not a vote for the Prime Minister.
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In Wales, Labour is about to be wiped out, and
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even there the party's leader, Eleanard Morgan seems to have
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accepted that, after making a possibly Freudian slip at a
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speech last week and calling on voters to cast their
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ballot four dimory. Across England, the disaster awaiting Labor is huge,
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with some predicting a loss of eighteen hundred council seats.
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That's almost three quarters of the seats the party currently holds.
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So twenty five hundred seats they'd be contesting which they
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presently hold, three quarter of those could be lost. It
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would be the biggest hiding for a party of government
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in local elections.
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Ever.
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I think Margaret Thatcher in nineteen ninety lost two kiss
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Ima going to lose two thousand. I mean, that really
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gets to the extent of Labour's problems.
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So I think they're projected to lose seventy five percent
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of the seats that they currently have which are up
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for election on Thursday, which is if you are a
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labor counselor up for election or a labor sort of
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member of the Center for Hollywood, you have a seventy
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five percent chance of losing your seat if you're up
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for election on Thursday, which is incredible. Also, I mean
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to go back to our first story.
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It is so.
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Depressing because we could be having a really interesting conversation
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about the many different directions that the country could go in, Like,
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we have real problems, and I do think there are
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real questions to ask the Greens about, right. I don't
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think they are tested when it comes to policy. What's
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their position when it comes to house building? They've said
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nice things. Do they believe that actually we do need
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to massively increase the supply of housing in London?
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I'm not sure.
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You know.
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They've said sort of typical left wing things. You know,
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we want to keep affordability, we want social housing. All good,
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but do you want more houses in London? Significantly more
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houses in London in four years time than exists now.
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Because that is a divide on the left, lots of
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people say, oh, supply doesn't matter. I obviously think it does.
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Our audience will will know that. I think we could
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be having loads and loads of interesting policy debates and
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the Greens might be weak on some of them, right,
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the Greens might be weak on things like policing. It
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might be weak on certain sort of economic policy HS
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too historic HS two, Yeah, there are. I don't think
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that the Greens are bulletproof by any means. But the
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fact that we are having a debate which is completely
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concocted about this Jewish guy being anti Semitic because he
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is against Palestinian women and children and men getting killed
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is like, it's a huge displacement activity.
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And it's just so cynical because I.
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Would have respect for the Labor Party if they were
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to say, look, the Greens are offering you easy answers.
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Maybe you hate us, but that's because we're doing a
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difficult job. We've actually got you know, lots of competent
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people in various councils around the country. I'm willing to
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hear that argument. Maybe it's not true, but I'm willing
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to hear that argument. And they can say, oh, the Greens,
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they're actually Nimbi's, are actually this that the other. Let's
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have that debate. That would be interesting, that would be
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you know, informative to the public. Maybe we'd all learn something,
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Maybe we would get closer to finding what is actually
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the problem in this country. That means that our productivity
647
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is so low and affordability is such a problem. But
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the fact that in the entire run up to these
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key elections, which could completely reshape the political map, we're
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having this completely fake debate, I just find fundamentally quite depressing.
651
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Yeah.
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I think a big reason why Britain can't address major
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problems is because the center left and the center is
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unwilling to have a policy debate with the left. That
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doesn't mean the left is always right, but it asks
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important questions. And if you're literally saying an entire sort
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of ideological pole of attraction, millions of people are not
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legitimate actors in the system, I think clearly you're going
659
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to have an imbalanced political debate.
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The Greens.
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I agree with the Greens on many things. I voted
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for the Greens the last general election. I disagree with
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them on other things. On HS two are the last generalcation,
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they were wrong. I think on nuclear power they're wrong.
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I don't want to build loads of nuclear power stations,
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but I don't want to shut any I don't want
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to make the same mistake as the Germans. So let's
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have that debate. And I think I would have so
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much more respect, like you say, for labor. If Kis
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Starmer said, you might not agree with everything we've done.
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We've got rid of the two child benefit cap, We've
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brought rail into public ownership. We've done things that the
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left has wanted and asked for for years. This is
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the most left wing government in this country since before
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Margaret Thatcher.
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There's a good argument for that.
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By the way, I thoroughly disliked the man for different reasons,
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his personality, how he delivers certain things, the arguments he
679
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makes against certain people. This stuff, what's happening right now
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is literally what will stop me from voting Labor right.
681
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The way they conduct politics is what will stop me
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from voting labor. There are lots of policies I agree with,
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some I disagree with. There are other policies I disagree
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with from the other parties. It's the way they do politics.
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You know, I voted for my labor counselor and the
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same elections four years ago because they're a good candidate,
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They're a good counselor. But now I'm thinking, I don't
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want to contribute to this idea that this is a
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legitimate way of doing politics. I don't want to contribute
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to that, which means, you know, voting labor right. I
691
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don't want to legitimize that. So either I don't vote
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or I vote green. And that's not because of the candidate,
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that's because of case Arma. And I wonder, actually, how
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many people Labour are going to lose doing this ahead
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of these local elections. I don't think it's many, right,
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because theyren' going to get many anyway, But if they're
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just going to do project fear and negativity for the
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next three years. I struggle to understand what their strategy is.
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Following the stabbing attack in Golders Green, in which two
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Jewish Men were very seriously injured by a lone man
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with a knife, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Mark Growley has become
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increasingly political. Last week, he weighed into the discussion of
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whether anti genocide marches in London have played a causal
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role in a recent increase in and submitted crimes. He
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said they had without providing any evidence and assay to this.
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I'm really troubled by and what we've seen is many
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of these marches they set out with an intent to
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march near synagogues, etc. And every single time we put
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conditions on to prevent that. But even that intent causes
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me concern that they repeatedly ask to do such things.
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Speaking to The Times, Raley repeated those extraordinary claims, saying
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this about the march organizers. Their initial suggestion for their
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route their march has involved walking by synagogue. Each time
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we've prevented that, each time we've put conditions on the
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fact that features as the organizer's intent. I think that
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sends a message that feels like anti Semitism. Though may
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be a fair or unfair inference, but that's the message
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it sense now. Those marches are organized by the Palistine Coalition,
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which includes groups like the Palestine's Solidarity Campaign, the PSC
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and Stop the War. They've now hit back at the commissioner,
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demanding he withdraws his quote incomprehensible and defamatory comments. In
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letters to rally, the organizers said this, We are very
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concerned to see that you have publicly stated that the
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organizer's initial suggestion for the Palestine marches have involved walking
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by a synagogue in his words, and that this sends
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a message that quote feels like anti Semitism. These claims
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are incomprehensible and defametory. The truth is that at no
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point have we ever requested to quote walk by a
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synagogue on any of our marches. We have no interest
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in doing so. Police recordings of our meetings with you
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will confirm this. We can and will provide the email
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evidence to back up these facts. We urge a speedy
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public retraction of your statement and the accompanying scurrilous claim
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of anti semitism.
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Michael, what do you think of.
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That, this is so insane, right, So the claim so
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sort of that email makes it seem like there's this
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claim and did they ask to walk by a synagogue
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or did they not. Now the basis of this allegation,
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this like complete smear from the commissioner, is that Stop
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the War wanted to start and did start a number
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of protests at the BBC. This is Oxford Circus, right,
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So it's one of the busiest parts of London, one
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of the most busiest, the busiest part in London, one
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of the most normal places in the country, or probably
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the most normal place in the country.
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To start a march.
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Now it happens to be the case that three hundred
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and fifty meters away, so a third of a kilometer,
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a number of blocks away, there is a synagogue. The
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march didn't go past the synagogue. The idea is that
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you can't start to march anywhere which is half a
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kilometer away from a synagogue, even if it is in
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the literal center of London. So no one is allowed
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to protest the BBC anymore because like seven blocks away
756
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there is a synagogue. And that was that was a
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ridiculous demand when it was made by the police, and
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what the police sort of suggested at the time and say,
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you know this or sort of the arguments I was
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hearing is them saying like, obviously, you know, it's completely
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legitimate to want to start your march at the BBC,
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but there are some people who do feel uncomfortable, so
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maybe you could sort of move it to a different place.
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This is now being which is I think was unreasonable
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at the time. Right, you should be able to start
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a march at the BBC at Oxford Circus, regardless of
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whether a few blocks around there is a synagogue. But
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now it's been contorted to be that they specifically wanted
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to march past a synagogue and that would feel like
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anti Semitism if it had to been the case that
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stopped the walk codition kept putting forward to the police
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a march route which sort of you know, went a
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bit around the corner and went down this sort of
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little side route, you know, like why have they chosen
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out side? Oh there's a synagogue there. That would be
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incredibly sinister, that would feel like antisemitism. But they started
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in march at the BBC, walked down Regent Street like
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the busiest road in London, and now that's ad dissemitism
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because a third of a kilometer away there is a synagogue.
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It's insane and it is like, this is incredibly defamatory.
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Now it's against an organization, not an individ So I
782
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don't know if you can sort of if that will
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work in court, but I think this is so obviously
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like despicable, Like it's really difficult to take anything rarely
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take so seriously in the future because that is just
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so misleading to any ordinary member of the public listening
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to what he's there. She resigned for that, I think, yes,
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I mean, I think that is just a complete outrageous smith.
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I agree, and it's because if.
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You are an ordinary member of the public listening to it,
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Like I'm fine with people disagreeing, but I do think
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it is really quite despicable if you make a statement
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from a position of authority where a person sort of
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listening to that on the radio will reasonably infer something
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which is the complete opposite of the truth. Because if
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I had listened to that, and I didn't have any
797
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prior awareness of this, I would think that's outrageous, right,
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But that's because I would have heard what he said
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there and assumed that stopped the war Coalition wanted to
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go past the synagogue, when that's just not remotely the case.
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Trust and authority is a two way street, right, you
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can't expect young kids to not run through turnstiles and
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go on the tube and to not do graffiti or
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shoplifting or anything. Young people should not obey the law,
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they should respect authority.
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It works both ways.
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You can't expect that and then lie as the head
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of the London Metropolitan Police Service. And it's not just untruth,
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it's untruth couched with feelings. I feel this not that well. Look,
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you're the head of the met right, you're there to
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uphold the rule of law. Very often they do the
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opposite regardless, that's your job. You're not there to have feelings.
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I just find it extraordinary that he even thinks that's
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a permissible way to conduct public communications for the most
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senior police officer in this country. Now, this row comes
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ahead of a large pro Palestine march set to take
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place in London on the sixteenth of May, commemorating the
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Nakbath of nineteen forty eight. On the same day, far
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right agitated Tommy Robinson has also organized a march in
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the capitol the second of his quote United.
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The Kingdom rallies.
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But while there's a growing camp pan to link the
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Palestine March to racism, people seem much less worried about
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the far right on the streets of our capital. Tory
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leader Kevi Badnock has supported the idea of banning the
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NACA Day protest.
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What about Robinson's protest?
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Would you consider taking similar action against the march that's
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planned for the same day as the pro Palestinian in
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March May the sixteenth, the rally being organized by Stephen
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Yaxley Len and Tommy Robinson, a convicted far right activists.
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Would you consider banning that well?
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Is he clearly is he creating a climate of intimidation
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and violence that is resulting in two people murdered in
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Heaton Park, two people nearly murdered in Golder's Green. I'm
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not saying that we shouldn't have a right to protest.
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There is something specific that is happening at these marches
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that is different from the sources of protests we've seen previously.
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Let's people are not protesting about domestic issues, They're protesting
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about international issues. It's costing us a fortune. It's resulting
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in the normalization of violence towards a minority group. I
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think that we need to do what we can.
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But some people might feel and some people did feel.
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And that last big march called Unite the Kingdom, many
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people there were protesting perfectly place, perfectly peacefully. Some people
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did look at that march and feel intimidated. Some people
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did look at that, and I don't want to see that.
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There were discerns at that time, and there were arrests
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and people were charged with racially aggravated offenses at that
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particular march.
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Right, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You haven't
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been able to say who that was targeted against. I
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am saying that there is something very specific happening to
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Jewish communities.
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Who who was targeted?
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Well, let's listen to one of the speakers at the
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last a United Kingdom protest. This was Valentina Gomez, who
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has since been banned from entering UK.
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It's either now or never, because if these rapists Muslims takeover,
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they will not only rape your women. There won't be
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head of your sons, just like they did on October
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seventh in Israel. So we either fight now or we die,
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and we're fighters. We are warriors of Jesus Christ. And
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in the words of the Great Charley Kirk, Islam is
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the sword that the Left is using to destroy Christian
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nations and to destroy every Christian nation across the world.
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So do not make peace with evil. Destroy it.
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You're welcome to go back and watch the footage from
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that rally.
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Other speakers are on stage.
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They're talking about Britain being colonized, call for a ban
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on any non Christian religious expression in Britain, and describing
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the country slidly into cultural darkness because of the presence
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of Muslims in the land. Show me one person, one
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person saying anything like that about Jewish people on stage
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had a Palestine march. Michael, We're going to talk about
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this a little bit later with a LBC clip and
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lewis goodall. But you hear it all the time, ban Islam,
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ban Islam, ban Islam, ban public representations of Islam, ban
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mosques being you hear all the time. Now you can
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agree to screw the must being built right. People are
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gonna have all kinds of issues with a building of
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any kind built in their local era. That's fine, But
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clearly in the broader conversation about banning new a religius
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building of a particular faith, we hear it all the time,
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and again I think that's permissible. We live in a
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free stude if people are allowed to say these things.
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But what people like Camry bad Knock are saying is
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we have a totally different set of rules. You know,
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if you say banned Judaism, that's hateful.
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Right If I if.
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I go on a stage an anti anti war protest
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and I say banned Judaism, I'm in big trouble. But
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it's it's the oxygen that these people breathe at these protests.
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With Tommy Robinson and yet Cricket, what are your thoughts?
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I mean, it's discause when I watched that, that was
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one of the moments I was sort of shouting at
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the TV screen, Kemmy baien, who are those marches targeting?
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Though?
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Who could they possibly be targeting? Were reported at the time.
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I mean, it's really.
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Really explicit violent language about Muslims. She's made two claims though,
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which is one they're not targeted to anyone, and two
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it hasn't led to any violence. Now Obviously, I completely
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dispute the idea that any of anything said at Palestine
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demos has led to any of the horrific violence we've
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seen over the past week. But there is also an
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emergency when it comes to violence against Muslims or people
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perceived as Muslims. Right So, last week Alfie Coleman was
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convicted of plotting a terror attack which he planned against
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quote the Invaders. He wrote a manifesto saying he wanted
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to provoke a quote race war. He'd attempted to buy
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an AK forty seven and had researched a Mosco as
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a target. He wanted to quote shoot refugees right now.
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Is there a dynamic connection between what was said on
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that stage and that action, I've got absolutely no idea.
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Is it more plausible that what was said on that
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stage would lead to that action then a bunch of
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people saying stop borrowing Palestine would lead to a guy
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thinking that actually what that is is a call to
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kill or attack Jews. In North London the week before,
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John Ashby, a white man, was convicted of raping a
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Sequoman while racially abusing her. He followed her offer bus
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and forced her way into her house. As he forced
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her to take her clothes off, he referred to himself
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as her British master. He referred to his penis as
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being quote white British. There is so much of this
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stuff where there is a much clearer sort of arrow
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of causality between the kind of things said at the
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United Kingdom Rally to these actions.
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Now, I don't think this is a reason to ban.
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Those I mean, there's a debate to be had about
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debanning those marches, but I'm not here saying because these
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things have happened, we have to ban those marches.
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Right.
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I think it is quite important that we sort of
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separate rhetoric from action, and we separate political arguments from
938
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sort of violent extremists who may or may not have
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been inspired by it.
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Right.
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But the idea that there is something uniquely it's just
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it's just wrong.
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Right.
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And again, like we said with Trevor Phillips being anti
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work except for Jews, now everyone is pro pro free
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speech except for Israel.
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And it's just it's it's mind bending.
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Do you think that she knows there's a double standard here,
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so she I mean she's saying to who you know,
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I can say with regards to where I live in
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Portsmouth on the south coast. In just recent months, people
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have been assaulted in a park. Muslim has been insulted
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in the park where lots of you know, South Asian
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families go basically during the weekends to chill out, barbecues
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and whatnot. A man had a machete, went to a mosque.
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He had to be pacified. That's just in one city.
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There's lots of these stories, right.
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There were riots, people set fire to.
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One small city in England literally just in the last
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several months. There was a your Party meeting. People tried
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to shut that down again. All kinds of things were said.
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And this is the case in every town and city
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in this country, Every very major talent city in this
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country has a story like that more or less. Maybe
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not the machete one, but instances of clearly anti Muslim hate.
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And she's saying against who. I mean, do you think
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she believes that or is she playing dumb?
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I think everyone is just being incredibly opportunistic. It's like,
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you know, obviously there is an organized as role lobby.
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There are some Jews who do feel under threat, partly
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because of misperception, partly because there are genuine sort of
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increases in anti Semitism. But I think the sort of
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most despicable people in all of this are the politicians
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who think that they really don't care about the consequences
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of this. They don't care if having such an obvious
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double standard is probably going to increase anti Semitism. I mean,
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if people are already sort of of the belief that
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Jews control the media and control politics and sort of
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they're protected when other people aren't. If you have a
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leading politician going on the television saying that Jews are
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under this exceptional threat and we have to ban all
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00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.920
these marches. Oh but this march where they say that
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Muslims have to be banned in kicked out. Oh, that's fine,
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And these hate crimes aren't really hate crimes.
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Right.
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It is the most irresponsible thing you can possibly do.
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And I don't think it's because kemmy Bad not cares
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about Jews. I don't think it's because she cares about Israel.
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I think she sees it there's an opportunity to win
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some political points against a politician she doesn't like, in
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a political movement that she sees as her sort of rivals.
992
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She certainly needs it.
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And that's interesting you make that observation, because we have
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quite a unique dynamic, right the two legacy parties are
995
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.800
both dying. You know, Labour are going to lose maybe
996
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eighteen hundred councilors on Thursday, but the Tories are going
997
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to lose counselors as well. Very unusual when you're the
998
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party of opposition. Normally you do well in the subsequent
999
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set of local elections. So there are high incentives the
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two legacy parties to be as vitriolic as possible, not
1001
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:44.960
just to the Greens but also Reform as well. But
1002
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right now as the Greens and this is the line
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of attack they're adopting, And the media has a really
1004
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.159
high seven incentives as well, because of course, if you're
1005
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a journalist at the Sun or the Times or the BBC,
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you have dozens, maybe even hundreds of MP's contact, counselor's contacts.
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You know these people You've invested in time and resources
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into building those relationships.
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Oh my good goodness.
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You know, on the idea of you know, fifty sixty
1011
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Green MP's coming on, I don't know them. I've not
1012
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.960
built those relationships. And I have to say it's fascinating.
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This is just an aside, but the attacks against reform
1014
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:24.360
have really diminished since they accepted Robert Genrick. It's fascinating, interesting,
1015
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:29.360
really really fascinating. It's like a whole different set of
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rules since Bravaman Generic have joined them. Because I think
1017
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:36.440
there was almost like the bat signal going out to
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00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.639
legacy media. Okay, these guys are legit, you know, it's
1019
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.119
not just the Faraj and Zero show anymore. In recent
1020
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.440
weeks there has been a deluge of claims regarding antisemitism.
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Some of that is malicious, purely the result of political expediency.
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We have local elections soon, of course, and labor well,
1023
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.039
they're not going to do very well. Some of it
1024
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is legitimate. There has been a space of attacks against
1025
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British Jews recently, and members of various political parties, including
1026
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.880
the Greens, have been disciplined over comments relating to Jewish people.
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But it's also simply true and accurate that what some
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people regard as unacceptable anti semitism, others viewers entirely legitimate
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and indeed.
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Appropriate criticism of Israel.
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Basically, the definitions are fundamentally different. It boils down to
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this is anti Zionism and a critique of an Apartheite
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00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:26.639
state founded on colonial dispossession inherently racist. Some people think yes,
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others no. This video, shared by the account titled Green
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00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.840
Party exposed on x and, claiming to show a conversation
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with the Green Party candidate called for not gets to
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the heart of the matter.
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You just repeat what you told me. They should definitely want.
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Shouldn't exist.
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00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:49.199
Israel shouldn't exist. That's the most anti Semitic thing anybody
1041
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.800
can say. Not really, So where should all the Jews
1042
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.480
go in Israel? Then they can stay there, they can
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00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:56.760
stay there, but it shouldn't exist.
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00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:57.639
So where are they going to go?
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That should be?
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Oh my god?
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Okay, well I've got your name and thank you for
1048
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.519
showing us the vile hatred against Jews.
1049
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:09.440
Yes, you do.
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You just ask for Israel.
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That's the Jewish homeland. There's fifty seven Muslim countries in
1052
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.079
the world and there's one Jewish state and you just
1053
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:21.119
ask for it to be eradicated. This is why, this
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is why the Green Party are going to fail because
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of people like you. The vile hatred of Judaism, and
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00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:28.880
this is why Jews are being murdered on the streets
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00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.079
of England because of people like you, because of people
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like Philip Notley, Get off my property.
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I love how Chilty is right. He's just calmly stating
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his political view.
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I definitely know who I'd prefer to go for a
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00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:41.840
pint with you.
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Thank you. Definitely.
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Israel shouldn't exist is the most anti Semitic thing anyone
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can say. Apparently, what about Palestine? Should Palistine exist? If
1066
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you don't think that is that racist? If you think
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Palestine shouldn't exist, shouldn't be a Palastinian state?
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Which other way is that?
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The facto position of revisionist Sianism is the de facto
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position of the Israeli government, is the de facto position
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of most Sionists.
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Liberalsigns say well, we'd like to do part step.
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They don't really mean it. Some do, but they don't
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really mean it. Increasingly, that's just I think inescapably true.
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Are those people? Is that racist?
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I don't think they should be Israel that's racist. I
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don't think there should be a palistin that's fine. Actually,
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and again, this lady genuinely thinks what she's saying is true.
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I wonder if she's even thought about it intellectually. There
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are fifty seven Muslim countries. Why can't the Palestinians go
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to one of those?
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Only one Israel? Again, this is so racist.
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What Palestinians who are from the Eastern Mediterranean, Arabs in
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the Eastern Mediterranean, They're meant to go and live in
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what Morocco, Indonesia?
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AmAm. They can just they.
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Can move anywhere, but we have to live in this
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tiny patch of land. Again, it's an incredible double standard
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founded on an extraordinary nineteenth century colonial mindset. And to
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say this, by the way, all true.
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Is not racist.
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00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:09.039
Now you might say, well, no, I support a two
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00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:13.119
state solution. Israel should exist, but a different kind of
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00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.000
Israeli state, different kind of politics, different kind of constitution.
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00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.119
I mean, people don't have a range of views on
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this right, I'll say, well, no, that's necessarily a racist state.
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He's arguing for one state, a one state solution, which,
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by the way, some of the most formative voices of early.
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Zionism wanted that.
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That's what they wanted before, certainly before the Shower and
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the Holocaust. Certainly many people said that the idea that
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you support a one a one state, a single state
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00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.840
for Jews and Arabs in the Holy Land. If that's
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00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:50.440
your view, you think that should happen. The idea that's
1105
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:54.039
now the most racist thing you can say against Jewish people. When,
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00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:55.639
by the way, he's saying they can all stay there,
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00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.960
you might think he's wrong, You might not think it's practical, practical,
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not racist, is it.
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00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.079
It was also a very dangerous thing to say because
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obviously that there is an argument, is anti Semitism overstated?
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Is it not?
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YadA YadA?
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00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.320
Now, obviously the events of last week show just how
1114
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:13.440
real anti Semitism is.
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00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:16.599
And the Jewish community in Britain is small, and.
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00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.199
I can see why they feel under attack because there
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00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.000
are there are lots of incidents and it's a very
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00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.920
small number of people right that they're in a very
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00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:26.360
geographically sort of concentrated area in North London, So I
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00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.159
can see why they feel under attack. There is lots
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00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.199
of real anti Semitism, but having a viral video where
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00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:39.400
someone says Israel shouldn't exist is the most anti Semitic
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thing that anyone could possibly say. Like you listen to
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00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.119
that yourselfs people can't really say many of the anti
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00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.239
Semitic things, then, can they that's fairly anti Semeic. No,
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00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.280
I don't think it is anti semetic. And again, this
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is the thing that I think, you know, Zach Polanski
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00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.079
has done very well so far, and everyone has to
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00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.840
be very clear on like, your opinions on the constitutional
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00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.880
arrangements of another country do not have an impact on
1131
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.199
whether or not you're a bigot, right, This is international relations,
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00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.840
international relation. Whether or not you think Israel Palestine should
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00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.920
be a two state solution one state solution. If you
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00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:13.639
sort of say I think all Jews should get out
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00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.880
of the Middle East, that probably would be a bit racist.
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00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:18.480
There are many people who are to issue, are indigenous
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00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.320
to the Middle East, and that would sort of imply
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00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:23.840
some kind of expulsion, which would be racist. But if
1139
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.440
you're saying everyone on that bit of land should be
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00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.239
able to stay there, which is what that dude is saying,
1141
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.239
but it should be one state called Palestine, fine, you know,
1142
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:34.800
if you think it should be called Israel, but everyone should.
1143
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:35.039
Get a vote.
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00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.679
Fine, if you think it should be an apartheid colonial state,
1145
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.320
I think that's pretty racist actually, But also you know
1146
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.000
that's your opinion about a different country. I feel like
1147
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:50.039
we kind of need to separate people's opinions about different
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00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.519
countries from like identity politics in the UK.
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00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.000
I wise, just it's unviable.
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00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.960
But she's basically saying, if you don't want an apartheid
1151
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.639
state in this strip, if you don't want and apartheid state,
1152
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.000
if you're saying that, actually we need one state where
1153
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:05.159
you have a quality and of the law for everybody.
1154
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.480
If if you don't want apartheid, you're the racist, and
1155
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:11.440
you're not just a racist.
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00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:15.360
It's the most racist thing you say. It's crazy. Look
1157
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:16.440
right again, I'm half Ouranian.
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00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:18.920
We had, of course, we have an ongoing war with
1159
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.599
Iran and the United States, and there are people on
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00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.360
my timeline on next saying that we need to Balkanize Iran. Right,
1161
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.000
they would say we need to break off Azerbaijan and
1162
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:32.360
Usastan and Lauristan and Kurdistan, and you know whatever, you
1163
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.639
could say that whatever, you can say that it's another country.
1164
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.920
You know, like you say it's not racist to comment
1165
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.320
on the constitutional arrangements of a from power, I would
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00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:41.800
say that something.
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00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:43.519
Wise, I think it's horrible personally.
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00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.639
Iran's an ancient country and it's had these minorities within it.
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00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:50.280
I think it destabilizes the region. I think it creates
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00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.800
millions of refugees. But I don't think you hate Iranians.
1171
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.719
If you say that, I have no idea who you are.
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00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.159
This lady should never met this.
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00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:58.880
Guy before it before we move on.
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00:57:58.960 --> 00:57:59.719
Fair play to that guy.
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00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.159
If if someone sort of starts shouting at you and
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00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:04.320
saying you're the most racist person ever because your opinions
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00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.119
on Israel, Palliser, I think his response is just going.
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00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:11.440
Okay, I don't think so like he did very well.
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00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.559
Yeah, that's exactly the sort of person I want in
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local government.
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00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.519
Good luck, Philip not I shouldn't really say that, should I?
1182
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:18.840
But I don't know if he was standing, was.
1183
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:22.519
Just he's a candidate somewhere. But I just like that
1184
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:26.639
calm and that ability to make his argument. We've just
1185
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.079
come out of a bank holiday weekend with local and
1186
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.400
national elections ahead of us this Thursday. In other words,
1187
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.320
we've not only had much discuss but a lot of
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00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:36.400
time to discuss it.
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Maybe a few beers as well.
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00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.280
In that may, sunshine al takes some analysis before will
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00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.480
likely be the most important round of elections outside of
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00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.960
general election in recent decades. Part of that happened on
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00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:52.320
LBC on Sunday, on a show hosted by Lewis Goodle.
1194
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.880
He spoke to a range of guests about the stories
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00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:58.280
leading the news, including Labour's Secretary of State for Transport,
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00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.719
Hidi Alexander is really saying.
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00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.960
That if you go on a march to protest entirely,
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legitimately against what the Israeli government is doing in Lebanon
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and Gaza, and someone you don't know, has nothing to
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00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:10.039
do with you, says that at some point in the
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00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.320
march that you yourself are calling for terrorism against Jews.
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00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.039
I listened to that interview and what he said was
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he thinks that everyone's got a responsibility to call it out.
1204
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:23.239
And knowing as we do what the Jewish community here,
1205
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.719
which is violence towards Jews, when people shout to globalize
1206
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:31.320
the into fada, he was saying that actually it's.
1207
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On all of us.
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You know, if individuals go to a protest to express
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00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:41.320
their concerns about what is happening in the Middle East,
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00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.639
then actually, you know, individuals on that march, we've all
1211
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.079
got a responsibility to speak up.
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You have a been a protest where someone says something
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00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:53.960
you don't agree with, I'm sure you have, but that
1214
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:56.000
didn't mean presumably you ought not to have gone on
1215
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:56.440
the protest.
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00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.559
Now in the protests, you know that I went on
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01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:05.360
many decades ago. Now, you know, we're always quite.
1218
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:07.440
Good spirited.
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01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.880
I actually went on the protest against the war in
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01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:14.639
Iraq at the time. And I you know, I don't
1221
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:15.239
remember that.
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01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.880
Given a million people went on the Iraq Warmarch, someone
1223
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.400
may well have said globalizing to Fada. I don't think
1224
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.880
anyone would have legitimately turned around to you and said
1225
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.639
that you were legitimizing jew hate.
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01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.800
What we have seen is, you know, repeated marches. We
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01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.880
have given the police power now to look at where
1228
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:37.679
you know, how you deal with this cumulative impact. You know,
1229
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:40.719
there is more protest that's happening in the country.
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01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.360
Believe that he truly believes that, Why isn't he just banned.
1231
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.239
Them banned marches?
1232
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:48.280
Well, yes, if he believes that, though, well, he's also
1233
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.239
said in that same interview that he gave this week,
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01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:51.480
Lewis that you know he.
1235
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.960
Said statement that he made from Downing Street is yeah.
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01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:57.360
And you know, look, I you know, I listened to
1237
01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.800
a long interview that he's given in the last couple
1238
01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:03.440
of days where you know, he's actually talked about the
1239
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:06.960
fact that he has long defended the right to peaceful
1240
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.239
protest in this country and that's not changing now.
1241
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:11.920
Except that he's telling people who go on some of
1242
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:14.719
those protests that by standing next to people saying globalizing
1243
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.440
to father, they're calling for terrorism against Jews.
1244
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:21.199
Well, no, we've dealt with that. I've given you yeah,
1245
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.199
because I've explained in the same sentence, he was just
1246
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.679
saying that if you're hearing that type of you know,
1247
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:32.639
pretty extreme and intimidatory behavior, perhaps we've all got a
1248
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:34.559
responsibility to call it out.
1249
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:36.519
What does that What does that even mean?
1250
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.880
If I go on a protest and I now see
1251
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:42.440
a placard one hundred meters away. I'm wearing my glasses,
1252
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.519
I can see that far and it says globalizing is
1253
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:44.960
what I have.
1254
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.800
To run over there. I have to call them out.
1255
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.679
I have to wag my finger. What are you even
1256
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:51.360
talking about?
1257
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.920
The idea that a million people on a protest are
1258
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.519
somehow culpable for what maybe one hundred people in that
1259
01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:59.639
process think for a thousand or ten thousand or one
1260
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.960
thousand follow the This is so arbitry. What's the line
1261
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:07.480
if it's just one person, a thousand people, At what
1262
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.920
point does it matter? None of this is remotely coherent intellectually.
1263
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.079
In that same conversation, good Will quized Alexander.
1264
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.239
He said about the actions of those two brave Metropolitan
1265
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:23.159
Police officers was pretty disgusting. He's rightly apologized. But I
1266
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:26.559
do think someone that is so quick to jump to
1267
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:30.079
their phone to be retweeting that type of content is
1268
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.360
not really fit to be leading a political party in
1269
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:33.920
this country.
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01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.639
Well, so tweeting something stupid is disqualifying from leading a
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01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:38.559
political party, But appointing a friend of the one of
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01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:40.880
the worst pedophiles of our age for one of the
1273
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:43.719
most prestigious diplomatic posts we have, that's not disqualifying.
1274
01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:47.800
Well that We've had weeks of discussion about Peter Mandelson
1275
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:51.079
and the Prime Minister has said he made a mistake
1276
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.719
and he's apologized for that. I've never seen, you know,
1277
01:02:54.840 --> 01:03:00.920
our Prime minister, you know, criticize the metro Politan police
1278
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.400
who were doing an incredibly brave job. You've only got
1279
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.480
a look at that video and the footage of what
1280
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:07.639
was going on there.
1281
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:11.159
And in someone who who was a friend of one
1282
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:12.599
of the worst pe defiles of our aga. But that's
1283
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.800
not disqualifying, but and actually be tweeting something stupid that ya,
1284
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:17.159
but based.
1285
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.119
Upon information where you know he and his staff weren't
1286
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.599
given full information. He was effectively lied to about the
1287
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.639
nature of the relationship between Peter Manerston and Jeffrey Epstein.
1288
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:32.239
Well, you can certainly see why they don't want a
1289
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.199
leadership contest and the Labor Party if this is the
1290
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.760
caliber of their OWNPCE. Look, people should be prunent about
1291
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.880
social media use, absolutely, particularly political leaders.
1292
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.119
They should set an example.
1293
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:49.360
But one retweet should disqualify someone from public office. Really, well,
1294
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.559
if that was the case, nobody would be in politics.
1295
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:53.760
I'd have been banned dozens of times.
1296
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:55.960
Maybe these people think I shouldn't even be out on
1297
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:57.400
YouTube because are bad retweets?
1298
01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:58.159
Who knows?
1299
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:02.360
And clearly it isn't worse and appointing Peter Mandelson as.
1300
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.760
A massador to Washington? Grow up?
1301
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:11.159
Why do I feel like the entire political class make
1302
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:13.400
less sense than my daughter, who, by the way, is
1303
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:18.400
two and a half years old. Their complacency, sense of
1304
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:26.039
entitlement and incompetence has gelled into this manufacturer of a
1305
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:31.159
completely parallel reality where one retweet means you can no
1306
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.360
longer be a legitimate actor on the national political stage.
1307
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:37.519
And again, the one retweet wasn't even I disagreed with
1308
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:38.039
the retweet.
1309
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:38.840
I've been over there.
1310
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:40.960
Lots of people got angry at me in the comments.
1311
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:44.880
But he didn't retweet something racist. He didn't retweet a
1312
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.840
threat against anyone. He retweeted a video which was questioning
1313
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.400
some police kicking a guy in the head. Right now,
1314
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:54.360
I think, given the context as a party leader, that
1315
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:59.719
was a bit of a mistake. It's not outrageous, it's fine, right.
1316
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.920
This whole thing is bonkers, and I mean the Heidy
1317
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.280
Alexander one in a way, you know, because with kemmy
1318
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.039
Baden not When I watched that, you know, it infuriates
1319
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:12.199
me because she's so clearly trying to, I suppose, whip
1320
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.119
up a frenzy, which is so irresponsible because it is
1321
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.360
going to sort of heighten anti Semitism, it's going to
1322
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.519
heighten his Lamophobias. It's just really bad for Communic relations
1323
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:23.320
in the UK for completely single reason. Hidy Alexander, you
1324
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:25.079
watch that, She's.
1325
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.000
Not enjoying it. She doesn't believe a single thing she's saying.
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Look at that.
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I mean, He's like, you, you've been on demonstrations that
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did not She's like, Oh, I haven't been on demonstration
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for a while.
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Yeah maybe I don't know. We've we've covered that, haven't
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we have? Just oh, you know, produce.
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Let's just she seemed like she just didn't want to
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01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.239
be that. I mean, because no one could really bother
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01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.159
to defend kids time anymore now, because I don't think
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01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:49.360
it's going to be there for very long. So I
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01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.599
think like she was just like, can we can we
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wrap this up soon?
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Please?
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Because I know I'm not persuaded. I know I'm not
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01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.079
convincing anyone with this interview. That was the impression I
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01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.760
got watching that. Sad.
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01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.880
I don't know. I think they've spun so much nonsense.
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01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.719
I do genuinely believe it's almost like a psychological condition
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01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:10.760
now of much of the Labor Party establishment. They've just
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01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:14.039
spun so many turnat they're constantly weaving a new reality.
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01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.440
You know, we knew four hundred seats would vote leave
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in a second referendum.
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They weave this new reality.
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01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:23.079
No, there's an overwhelming appetite to vote remain where you
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01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:25.840
you want to send he but these guys don't, and
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01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:27.719
even if it's a majority of the country, then they're
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01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.400
geographically concentrated in such a way that you're losing the
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01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:36.840
general election. We saw it with Corbyn, the constantly Boris
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01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:40.239
Johnson agree or disagree, you should think maybe he should
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leave or shouldn't leave. COVID, of course, was a very
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01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:47.159
important and unique political context. But they're constantly trying to
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01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:50.880
manufacture outrages. You might say sometimes legitimately, but they're constantly
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01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.280
trying to manufacture outrages.
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01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:53.679
And it feels to me that the labor.
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01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:58.679
Right, their idea of politics, is literally telling you what
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01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.920
to feel, what to think, not how to think, what
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01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:03.480
to feel.
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01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:05.679
You know, you should feel outraged at this. Why I
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01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:07.320
don't know why. I just feel outraged.
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01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.480
On that same show, Good also spoke to Conservative MP
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Helen Waiteley.
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Well, what you're leading in factor said that anti Semitism
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01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:19.760
cannot remain acceptable in supposedly polite dinner party conversations.
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What does she mean by that?
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What does she have in mind?
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01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:24.239
So that's just one of the things that's been pulled
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out from an inter in an article that she's written
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on this talking about the fact that it's almost become normalized,
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I guess in currency and somewhat under the guise of
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01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:38.480
of pro Palestine, and to some extent.
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People have been anti submits.
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01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.880
No, I haven't, But what I have heard is people
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thinking that if they are of advocating for Palestine, then
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they're kind of somehow on the side of the sort
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01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:52.719
of on the side of virtue. Well, actually, you look
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01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.039
at some of the protests that have taken place, which
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01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.119
have been actually strongly anti Israel and including people calling
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01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:00.920
for the end of Israel and for Jewish people to
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01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:03.599
be Criticism of Israel.
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And anti Semitism are not the same thing, are they?
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And indeed it's dangerous to allied them.
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01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.760
But what we're seeing is is that the two things.
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Actually being bundled together and people not realizing that if
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01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.800
they are getting involved in that, they're becoming part of
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01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.199
this whole movement against You.
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Want to protest, protesting Israeli government policy and not be
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anti submittic.
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So I think there's the problem is that what we've
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seen happen with some of the protests as they've become
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01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:31.560
Jews on these breeding some of them have become breeding
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01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:38.079
grounds for anti Semitism and extremism, and this has to
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01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:40.560
be called out. It is not okay. They're truly they're
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01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.840
not just peaceful protests. They are truly hate marchers.
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Again, it's a political line, right, they are hate march as.
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They're telling you what to feel, hate strong word, telling
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01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:56.039
you what to feel. What I think, this is my argument,
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01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.680
this is my policy, how you should feel. It feels
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01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:00.960
like that's the whole of politics now, particularly in the
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01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:05.479
days before these local elections. Right, it's project fear, not
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01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.479
just from one party against another, every party against every
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01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.000
other party, including by the way, Reform against the Greens,
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01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:14.079
which to me in the case they kind of joined
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01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:16.359
the UNI party. We'll talk about that, I guess in
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01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.159
the weeks ahead. Let's see what Weitley said next, in
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response to a fantastic question from Lewis Goodell, would.
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You be happy with, say, Tommy Robinson's marches, which included
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01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:27.960
Elon Musk calling for the overthrow of our government?
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01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:29.319
You're happy for that to go out.
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01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.680
I don't believe that Tommy Robinson here is talking about
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01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:35.439
wanting to get rid of Israel and eradicate the Jewish.
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01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.520
That is a computer, but that multiple demonstrations, not just
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here has, but including Britain. First rallies, for example, we've
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01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.880
seen crowds chatting things like Allah as a pedophile, Muslim
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01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:48.399
bombers off our street signs reading stop Islam, ban Islam,
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01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:51.920
or framing Islam as inherently violent or incompatible with Britain.
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Lots of Muslims would see that and think that threatens me,
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should they be banned.
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So I want a tolerance society and I want people
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to be able to, you know, freely protest and express
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01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.520
their views. But what I don't want is a situation
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where we start tolerating events which are basically calling for
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01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.840
the eradication of the eradication of.
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01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.960
The left to be deported from right.
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01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.039
But I don't want to see where people where Jewish
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01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:23.119
people are basically under threat and it's seen as somehow acceptable.
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01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:25.479
Completely calling and that's completely fine. I'm just wondering where
1432
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:27.920
the line is because you're saying that that's a problem,
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01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:29.479
and lots of people will agree with you, but there'll
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01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:31.640
be lots of Muslims who think that those things I've
1435
01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.359
just described are also a problem make them feel unsafe.
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01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:35.479
But you're saying that's fine.
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01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:38.439
I think if somebody is calling to death to a Muslims.
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01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.920
I'd be against that too. I'd treat the same things,
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01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.359
to treat those things equally. But that is not what
1440
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.760
I'm hearing. What I'm hearing is different things going on here.
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01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.079
And as I said, what is very clearly wrong and
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01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:52.560
what has gone wrong in this country is allowing marches
1443
01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:55.880
which are essentially calling death to death to Jewish people.
1444
01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:59.000
I mean you're saying that not everyone, I mean, you know,
1445
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:02.680
not everyone clear really at those marches for for Gaza
1446
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:04.199
and Palestine would be racist.
1447
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:05.039
Clearly they wouldn't be.
1448
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:06.720
But you're saying that some of the people there are
1449
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.039
racist and are calling for a violent, appalling things. So
1450
01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:12.600
on the basis of that logic, you would ban Tommy
1451
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:14.319
Robinson's rally because some of the people, not all the
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01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:16.760
people that are racist and calling for appalling things, but
1453
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:17.520
some people are.
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01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:19.680
I've explained my position. It feels to me like we
1455
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:21.960
stand it well. It feels like we're going around and around
1456
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:25.479
the circles. So I don't see the benefit and going
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01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:26.840
on as to one thing, but.
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01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:31.079
It is it is consistent and.
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01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:39.359
One calling for a death to you know, a group
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01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:43.680
of people that is not okay, the right thing band Muslims.
1461
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:45.840
Basically, how is that? How is that not people?
1462
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:47.840
How is that not It's not really dangerous to group
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01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.439
of people when you're saying ban is lamb Muslims from.
1464
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:53.039
This calling for the death of a whole you know,
1465
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:54.199
of people, of the Jewish people.
1466
01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:56.800
That is not something Judaism would be.
1467
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:57.359
Okay.
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01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.600
I just so what we're saying, I think going into hypotheticals.
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01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:02.079
What about this?
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01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:02.640
What about that?
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01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:06.520
We're seeing what's happened, what we've seen.
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01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.079
He got you hell, and it's not hypothetical. It happens,
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01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:13.079
absolutely correct. Nobody, nobody, nobody is out of Palestine demo
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01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.920
on a platform saying kill every Jewish person in the
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01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:17.079
world of fifty million people.
1476
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:19.119
Nobody's saying that. If they were.
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01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:21.680
Saying that, first of all, it's an incitement, it's criminal offense.
1478
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:25.439
We don't know about that case. If they were from overseas,
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01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.279
they would not be allowed back in the country. Has
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01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:29.760
happened with a speaker who was a Tommy Robinson protess.
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01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:33.920
That's not happening. So they're talking about things which aren't happening.
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01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:37.960
To stigmatize and demonize a group of people, you have
1483
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:42.279
to ask yourselves why Michael, you said before Hidi, Alexander
1484
01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:43.199
was kind of phoning it in.
1485
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:44.880
Shouldn't real believe in what she was saying?
1486
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.439
She was worse. She was worse, She was much worse.
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01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:50.319
I mean, I just like the first question, like the
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01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:52.760
first answer was really fighting it in because he's asking
1489
01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:55.199
a question about consistency. You're saying, there are some racist
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01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.840
people on this march, so the whole thing should be canceled.
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01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:01.000
And you know, again, I think that's massively stated. But
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01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:02.680
there are also some racist people on this march, So
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01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:04.720
why shouldn't that be a bunch? Well, Tommy Robinson doesn't
1494
01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:08.840
want to get rid of Israel, So no, that's not
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01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:11.199
the basis of the question. The basis of the question
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01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:14.479
is that the only offensive thing that one can say
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01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:15.840
is not about Israel.
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01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:16.960
There are other issues in.
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01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:19.119
The World's like, oh no, why would we ban the
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01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.760
march if it's not about Israel? I thought, this is
1501
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:24.760
aren't we talking about Israel? We can talk about other things.
1502
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:27.880
There are other issues in the world then Israel. Right,
1503
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:31.079
But it just doesn't compute for her that it is
1504
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:39.479
consistent because Alexander say, like, we've dealt with this. She says,
1505
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.319
consistent it's like fair play to lou Is good because
1506
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.239
he he seemed like, you know, he's had his wheat pisse,
1507
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:46.800
he had his coffee. He was kind of enjoying that
1508
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:49.039
he has got these two cents. Politicians who have sort
1509
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:54.159
of been given their lines have no game whatsoever, just like, oh,
1510
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:55.920
can we should we end it?
1511
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:56.159
Now?
1512
01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:59.720
He gets to decide when it ends, which is it
1513
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:00.359
was fair goodness?
1514
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.600
I mean, no, wonder the country's got problems. If this
1515
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.399
is the caliber of the political class and they can't
1516
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:08.159
even talk about the problems that afflict this country. Now
1517
01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:09.720
you might be saying, we've done a whole show on this,
1518
01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:12.600
because it's literally the media's talked about the last four
1519
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.399
days and they're doing that, and the two major parties
1520
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.079
doing that because we have local elections on Thursday.
1521
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:20.359
Now, wonder we have major problems.
1522
01:14:20.359 --> 01:14:22.439
And by the way, inflation is about to go really high,
1523
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:26.439
the costs of British debt higher since nineteen ninety eight.
1524
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:28.279
These are real stories that we could have talked about,
1525
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:30.000
we should talk about, we will talk about over the
1526
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:32.640
coming days. But the political class on the media don't
1527
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:34.560
want to talk about any of this stuff, just like
1528
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:37.399
the Corbyn right twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, they didn't
1529
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:39.720
want to talk about policy, and all of a sudden,
1530
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.000
as soon as Corbin lost, they.
1531
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:44.199
Wow Britain's and decline. Have you noticed?
1532
01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.000
I think local authorities aren't founded anymore. Nothing works, high
1533
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:52.520
streets that like crap. How did that happen? Why hasn't
1534
01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:54.159
he been talking about this? The Left tried to talk
1535
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.279
about it for the last decade, and you just want
1536
01:14:56.319 --> 01:15:00.880
to talk about why Israel is wonderful heaven on earth. Michael,
1537
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:02.640
any final words before we wrap up?
1538
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:05.640
No, I mean, in terms of real issues the problem
1539
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.880
with this country. We're going to spend most of tomorrow's
1540
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:10.880
show talking about infrastructure in China, so we're going to
1541
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:12.760
move away from the media bubble talk about how we
1542
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:16.279
actually could have a more functioning public sphere.
1543
01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:18.640
We'll be making the case for a one party state.
1544
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:20.920
Like not my personal view.
1545
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:24.079
I like multi party politics, although I could be persuaded.
1546
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:24.600
Just joking.
1547
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:27.840
This has been a really, really fun show. We're running
1548
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.399
slightly over god forro an hour and twenty We normally
1549
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:32.479
do an hour. If you like what we're doing here
1550
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:34.079
in of our media, you can of coupport our work.
1551
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:35.760
Going to the biomy dot Com Forward Slash Support.
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I don't know about you.
1553
01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.159
I started this organization when my co founder James Butler,
1554
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:44.119
precisely because for years decades I saw these kinds of
1555
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.439
stories in the media. Nobody was pushing back, and I thought,
1556
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:50.560
in twenty ten, twenty eleven, it's time we do something differently.
1557
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:52.319
If you agree, if.
1558
01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:55.680
You think we need a media voice that is not
1559
01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:58.680
willing to just repeat the nonsense from the likes of
1560
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:02.640
the BBC Sky Channel. For the papers to support our
1561
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.600
work doesn't mean they're always wrong. They do some very
1562
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:08.640
good work, but on these major headline issues, particularly in
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01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:12.760
British politics, my goodness, you're looking at one big bandwagon.
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Help us break it. Support Navarro Media. Thanks again to Michael,
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and thanks to everyone for tuning in tonight. Come back
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tomorrow for another show from six pm. For now you've
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been watching Naviari Media. Good night,
