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Speaker 1: Hey, Hull, I'm k C.
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Speaker 2: And you're listening to the Element Podcast.
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Speaker 3: What is going on? Everybody? We having a hea haw time here at the Element Podcast. This podcast is brought to you by first Light Gear. And I can't say too much because I'll get in trouble, But look towards the end of the month for some new first like gear hitting the market. Home probably would be pretty excited. It's some stuff that you've been asking a lot of questions about throughout the past year. So be ready for fishing. Yeah, I use it that way for sure. Actually netting, I like to stick my first leg you're under the water and bring up mets or for fish. That's it, man? What is that on? Oh that's for whitetail. Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny. Here's okay, Can I divert real quick?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: That's weird. So here's here's here's a This isn't a huge deal. I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but this is something that I think doesn't make sense to me in my mind. When people call deer booners, they're referring to a system called the Boone and Crockett system. To be a booner, it has to net over one seventy. It doesn't gross for a deer. Yeah, and so that gets uh, that gets thrown around pretty randomly. But to actually net one seventy is much bigger than one seventy most of the time. Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: I think I don't remember I looked at for typical what it?
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Speaker 4: Uh?
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Speaker 3: I think I looked at the average at one point in time. But like, most deer are going to have like eight inches of deductions or something.
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Speaker 1: And you get that when your score is that high. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, they're gonna get That's.
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Speaker 3: What I meant. Like they get above the one Seddi mark, you're gonna have quite a bit of deduction on there, so you can deduce what you want to from that deuce. Michael gen Z's on here again. We learned I learned today that gen Z refers to losers as Ohio.
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Speaker 4: How is this is ridiculous? No, real fascination with gen Z is right now. But you need to stop it. You're too deep.
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Speaker 1: Too deep.
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Speaker 2: You want to know from you what that means.
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Speaker 1: It really hurts.
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Speaker 3: I'm being honest, it really hurts. Yeah, I bet you some gen Z was watching the Ohio Michigan game for this past year and came up with that or the.
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Speaker 5: Year before that, it's ry Actually yeah, I he is, y'all, but y'all y'all make do y'all make them?
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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, there's something Ohio State leads at. It's like the making the most money or something. But it ain't making the most money because I think that's ut. But there's there's something I was looking at through the day where Ohio State led the nation in like I can't remember what it was. It have something to do with, you know, athletics or whatever I believe or maybe it was I believe it. I don't remember what it was. Anyway, money it wasn't in IL because A and M led last year and that let's just be a program worth or whatever. A and M led last year with one hundred and eleven million dollars in NIL.
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Speaker 3: It takes it was like one t in or something.
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Speaker 1: SMU this year one hundred and fifty nine.
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Speaker 3: All of those teams went by. But do you think it's more but it's actually just inflation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But the problem is Phil Knight has pledged what is it an un limited amount unlimited of nil money to Oregon.
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Speaker 3: I believe, how do you offer unlimited money?
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Speaker 1: You got to have lots of it?
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Speaker 3: That is the most ridiculous thing. Yeah, so that does it for an our obscure corner of college football talk. Here at the Element, we love to do a little bit of that, but today is going to be a white tail well not just white tail hunting Q and A stuff. We try to do this about once a month because we get a lot of questions on socially appreciate that stuff, guys for sure, but this is a great outlet for it because it's kind of hard for us to individually address questions and uh, instead you can ask questions on this and then it helps everybody because I promise if you have the question, somebody else probably has it too, unless it's something like, hey, how do I you know, hunt white tails in uh, you know, South Beach, And then that's not gonna really be a thing, right Yeah, I just know it because of Lebron's thing right back to Ohio.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I will say, I saw the video.
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Speaker 3: You gotta be a bad state if you get left twice by Lebron.
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Speaker 1: Video of Lebron in those heat blackout Jerseys. Man, that was the prime right, That was.
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Speaker 3: Fun times, man, Yeah, it was fun times all right, Michael. Michael's going to lead our Q and A discussion here by prompting us with questions. We've reviewed these before him. Make sure there's nothing that we don't want to answer, and we try to do our best answer everything. Guys. But like when you get real specific about like you know, this county in a state or something like that, A we're not always good at answering that, and B we don't feel good about putting that which of a spotlight on a thing, So oftentimes we will avoid the general state talk and talk more about like habitat types. But you know, so there's some things inn arn't a secret, like I was a great hunt, so you know, we kind of just play that stuff by here. So Michael, H can you just go ahead and get started.
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Speaker 4: Question number one, I'm wondering what basics to look for. I'm assuming this means in scouting, but specifically on top of topography maps.
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Speaker 3: That would one. Yeah, so so it means topographical features so on on X there's kind of three bass layers you can use. You can use topographical map, you can use an aerial map or you can use a hybrid, and then there's other things within that you can do, like two D and three D and all kinds of cool stuff. They're coming out with new stuff all the time. I can't even keep up with the latest, greatest stuff. But real handy tool. One of the question prompts was like map scouting, So probably that and so if you were to just look at the topography side of things, uh and take out everything else. It really is going to depend on where you're at in the country. You know, if if you're in say the planes, you have a lot of similar topography, some rolling topography, but if you have like a deeper canyon with some finger canyons, that's really gonna be something to check out. And if you want to get real specific, those finger canyons are where the deer spend their days. They go up in those little fingers and find little hetty holes where they get some some shade and feel very secluded. And you can literally drive across what you think is the past year and just miss deer completely. Tyler, any other thoughts.
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Speaker 1: On topography, This is basics to look for, Yeah, deer, I'm assuming I mean if you're like, I don't know, like if you're hunt in Kentucky or Tennessee. I mean one thing that uh, you know, to kind of understand would be that would be good as saddles. Saddles are good. I think something that's under is a flat that is at the bottom of a finger canyon that leads into it draw our creek system. I think those flats are good places to find deer that are staging. You're gonna get a pretty good sentiment, a sediment fill in there that's gonna grow like pretty good forbes and different grasses for them to eat and chew on and whatever else. They're not on a hill, so they're kind of relaxed, and I think, you know, it's a good place to find some rut in action going on during the rut too. But those saddles, a lot of times they're gonna be up on top of a ridge system if there's if there's a road or trail up there. Again, hunting during the rut is no big deal if there's roads around, because those those bucks are gonna know where the saddles are and they're gonna cruise through them even if there's a road there, just to get across real quick. They start to get real crazy that time of year. So even hunting close to the road, if you have a really good that leads from one good drainage to another or into an agfield or something like that, man, that's uh pretty prime stuff. It's a good way to find those overlook spots.
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Speaker 4: And on the same vein as what you're talking about examples of overlooked areas.
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Speaker 1: On public Yeah, I mean that that start with that one. I guess the saddle by the road, you know, yeah, would be a good place.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that anything. So a lot of public ground has like road that borders the public and so you can access at any point in time, any point in time, you can get some private between the road and the public. I think like around the Bend there is sometimes a pretty good spot because a lot of times guys are trying to a lot of times people take like straight lines go way in and if you can just kind of make a loop around back in on the backside of some private that actually is really close to the road, that might be a good starting point as well. I mean, the more I hunt public land, the more I realize deer are just where deer want to be And Tyler, you might have a different opinion on this, but I think that people overestimate the impact of pressure.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes, Yeah, that's pretty good, that's pretty good thought.
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Speaker 3: They just deer just live where it's good for deer, and then they figure out how to move to where they don't encounter people. And so I just think that the best thing to do is just to find what is the deariest thing you can do, and then try to figure out how to maybe access that in a creative way that maybe outsmarts of people.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good thought. I think on that same to kind of just pivot off of that, or not pivot, but really just continue with that. A lot of times you can even see this on aerials. A lot of times, a human trail into an area on public is even more like prominent on a map than a deer trail a lot of times. So if a trail looks really good coming from a parking lot, you know, obviously coming from a parking lot, a trail looks really good going down the edge of a piece of public or something like that, there's a chance that it's a dude that's been walking in there at least he was during the year that that picture was taken from the aerial So I mean, if you get there and you see, yeah, that's just the direction everyone goes towards. I can think of one place here in Texas at Casey and I have been in not a whole lot, but like everybody goes in a certain direction. If you were to turn and go about one to eighty the other direction, it's just like like briar thicket, honeysuckle, like so thick. Well, if you can work around maybe the first part of that thicket, maybe it's not that way anymore, but nobody ever turns and goes back that way because of that. So you know, as case this morning, all you need is a little place that bucks don't get bothered ever, and they'll hang out there all day, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw one of the bigger deer that I've seen in our area the state, like fifty yards from the road, just bedded down, kind of crazy, and he was there like an hour later.
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Speaker 1: I've got four hours later, I've got a couple of does or a doe and a bunch of funds that how far is it down there to the pear tree? Two hundred yards two hundred. No, actually it's less than that. This is a three hundred foot pole of the pole right here, so it's uh yeah, So it's gonna be like one hundred and twenty yards maybe from like my driveway, not my driveway, but like where we park our trucks and people are in and out of their vehicles and stuff, and those deer aren't even all the way to that pole, and they don't they won't even look when I'm talking outside. But if you you go forty yards down the driveway, all of a sudden, oh, I hear something coming, and they pay attention. But I can walk around out here, I can shoot my bow whatever. They don't. They don't care at all. And that's the difference. Like literally eighty yards, a deer is fine as long as they hear you doing your thing at eighty yards. So they be fine with somebody leaving a parking lot and going to the right every time they come out, and nobody ever goes left. And you know, so I guess when you go left, you gotta be quiet, and you gotta be able to observe sign really quickly and think, oh that's fresh enough. I'm gonna get on it and do the thing. So but yeah, I mean, really the overlook stuff it's hard to find. It's not impossible, but it is hard to find from maps. It takes a little bit of dirt under your boots a lot of times to find those.
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Speaker 3: Another thing, and I don't want to take too long on these, but I just thought about it is monotonous habitat like two hundred acres pluses habitat. Oftentimes people don't want to go mess with that because it's hard to interpret. And that is the case, but dear no, when people don't really want to go into.
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Speaker 4: An area bunch, all right, how do I become better at identifying types of trees?
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Speaker 3: Well, one of the things you can do is download on Naturalist and take pictures of trees that you don't know what they are, take pictures of the leaves, and then it will give you a good I mean, it's pretty accurate, you know, guess as to what the tree is. You could go to your county extension service and they might be able to give you some literature to help with that, or you could get on you know, go to the library. I know that sounds like an out, you know what library is okay, not really online library, Yeah, uh you could. I love personally, I love going to Half Price book. I think that paper copies of stuff is still super valuable Personally. I love going to half Price books and finding you know, here in Texas at least it's a thing. But like you can find Texas Native species books and uh, you know, identification stuff, the Audubon stuff. Uh, those Audubon books throughout my life have been like invaluable to me for birds and stuff like that, you know, and that was probably kind of pre cell phone that I was still like nerding at in those books. But I used to have birdless in the Audubon book. You know, it's an audible and field God. So it's like kind of small, like a like you'd see like a small Bible looking book. And uh, I think those are really sick. Those are Those are awesome to have because it gave you a short description of things and uh yeah that's uh that's my thoughts on that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it's good.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, can I get you get you some people around here? Also?
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's I mean really that's a good one too. Is like somebody who knows whether it's an old timer or uh, there's probably people like in the forestry industry that would let you walk around with them for a few days here and there.
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Speaker 3: You know, also you might go out a different direction and figure out what the deer eating. And then maybe you don't have to learn what a you know, a mulberry tree is or whatever you know, insert whatever tree first. You know it might there might be a priority list as to what trees you care are. What This is a big question right here.
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Speaker 4: I hope you're ready. Okay, is summer scouting even worth it? It seems like deer switch it up by the time season comes.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Uh. Some somebody posted about this in our account the other day. Someone said worth the headache, and then, you're honest, was like, what do you mean headache? Like brother listened at eight seventy three here.
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Speaker 1: And the humidities out of this world?
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Speaker 3: I think, Tyler, you go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I'm jumping in Okay. No, No, I would just say, because I thought about this yesterday, actually because I was working out cool, I'm not. I'm not the man I used to be. Man. Yeah, I think when we were in I think if you're in your twenties, you ought to be kicking your tail and getting out there and doing some stuff. I'm not saying you don't you just stop at thirty because I never land and stop at thirty. But like I'm just saying that we learned a lot summer scouting. It wasn't It never correlated to here's some pictures of a deer or here's me filming this deer eating beans in the afternoons and this summer and then I'm gonna kill that deer in November netting the trail camera pictures never correlated to it. Nothing. We learned a lot, though, and we and we saw a lot of ground. So if summertime is when you can go see ground, it's not a bad idea, our buddy, Anthony, I think calmon on that picture on Facebook and made a really good point. But the best time to do it is January to March. I mean, that's when if you want to scout property and learn about what the deer doing, that is the best time to do it. Summer scouting is not necessarily worth it to me in our neck of the woods. If I lived in Iowa or Ohio, where like Michael, when you were up there to the day you saw bucks using a beanfield at what midday? I mean, is that something. Do you think that like those deer are doing that often in that I have.
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Speaker 4: Seen deer at all times of the day in that specific field.
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Speaker 1: That's why I want to buy it.
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Speaker 3: But I think it's a pretty specific situation going on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but still you can learn what deer there and where they're coming out. Maybe if you just do it drive like in Ohio. We'll just use it as an example.
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Speaker 4: If I just went and drove around in the country for an evening and I'm like, oh, here's a big buckeet field. I'll go knock on the farmer's door. It's just a literal cornfield. Maybe there's like an acre or two of trees. You could I mean, you could have a pretty good chance of the deer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that. I think that there's different situations where it could work. I think here in East Texas, where we spent a lot of time cutting our teeth summertime scouting has never really I can't say it hasn't paid off.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't directly correlated to a deer killed that season, and we can we directly potentially, yes, you and I would potentially if we didn't have to send emails and stuff when we potentially be on the maps for four hours a day sometimes or more.
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Speaker 1: I love it. And in fact I drew a tag, and before I drew it, when I put in for it, I.
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Speaker 3: Talked you into it.
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Speaker 1: You did. But I spent five hours that day on maps that day and looked at every every single property that I could put atentially hunt and threw some pins down wherever I thought there might potentially be a deer on that.
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Speaker 3: Are you gonna go summer scout that this year?
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Speaker 1: No, I mean I'd like to, but we're starting to run out of the summertime. Yeah, left to for us, you know, with with travel.
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Speaker 3: And so here's a quick point I have for summertime scouting where we live. I think in other parts of the country kind of as Tyler said, it's it's probably a good idea, especially just to get you out and doing stuff, take your kids or whatever. But where we live, I like to use my one August or September trail cam hang day as my summer scout day. If I'm gonna do if I'm gonna do all that, we use multimobile cameras, So don't think go back and visit them very often. You noted the pool cards or anything. And it's uh, like, it's actually really cool because you get out there to get started early in the morning. Maybe pick a day that you have an overcast like today, it would be a great trail camera day and uh you uh, you know, can work till one or two and then finally it's too hot and you go back in. But you kind of all that out of your system, maybe learn some stuff, make some observations, and be ready to rock.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really make the point that I was trying to earlier, but I just I like the heat has been getting to me. I don't know if it's because it's I don't know if it's an age thing, as much of it as it is. I had knee surgery and I haven't really talked about it a whole lot, but I haven't done a whole lot. So when I get out there and start getting active, my head gets hot quick, I think that's it. And just it's like a it's like bigger deer live farther north. You know, my bigger head.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you know old buckhead over here.
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Speaker 4: It's all right, How do I scout when the field I hunt is planted in corn this year.
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Speaker 1: Find the find the trails that are what ingress into the field pretty much right, Trail cameras. Trail cameras are good the cornfields in my experience, we're not super versed in this, but fields have a margin around the edge that deer will oftentimes kind of travel in between the trees and the actual first row of corn. So I mean hanging a trail camera angled down that that stretch is probably a good idea, especially if there's like a a kind of perpendicular trail coming into the field right there, and those deer are gonna have everything they need once the corn comes out. They got to go somewhere, and they're gonna go into that nearest block of woods.
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Speaker 3: So that's uh, that's was kind of my next thought on that is that maybe I fall the deer living in the corn. You go into the woods and figure out where you think they're gonna go as soon as the corn comes out, and be ready to rock and roll. You know, you could be there the day the guy's cutting potentially, and just it'd be a white el sch Morgan's word, because they're just.
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Speaker 1: Like a screen one.
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Speaker 3: I've dreamed about doing that.
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Speaker 1: The flue flues at them day.
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Speaker 3: Let's go bring your recurves to me. Deer.
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Speaker 4: What to look for when trying to find early season hunting locations on public early season hunting locations, Yeah, I.
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Speaker 3: Would look for a place that doesn't have a lot of water and find some.
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Speaker 1: And I wish I knew where these people were from. Yeah, I could, I could help I this a little bit more. After hunting access this year, I feel more confident in water than I ever used to be because white tail we're also coming in and using water often when we're hunting.
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Speaker 3: Access to deer. But I still I struggle with confidence of it. And I killed a deer over water one time in the winter time. You know, it was like set up for water. Uh, that's sick video, by the way, he had and watched it, Michael, would you put that in the show notes that you know what's jeer, I'm talking about Oklahoma. Yeah, and then from map scouting. See, here's what gets tough is that early season food sources are often just covered with yeah herbicide past, so it's hard to pick out like persimmons and stuff like that that are early seasons.
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Speaker 1: Like if you've been there and you know where Persimmon Grove is. That's when you can start to go, okay, that's what it looks like on the area.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know on X does have that oak layer. Yeah, that seems to be fairly accurate some places. That's more handy than others. Some states we go to and it's just everything is an oak, right, and so they only divide them into reds and whites and whites de fault earlier, so that might may help. But if you're in a state or an area that has just these little groves of oaks here and there, it's pretty handy. We hunt a couple of states that are like that, and it's pretty accurate.
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Speaker 1: I'd say beans in alfalfa kind of early season food sources a lot of times, and so you can alfalfa is probably gonna be alfalfa beans. It's gonna look like like corn in most states on the on X maps. So if you're in bean and corn country, then it's a it's usually a year over year rotation. So if it's corn on the map, that's last year's that's what they that's what they claimed on the ag exemption or whatever. So it will probably be beans this year. So that's two ways for early season. Now, the beans can be tough. If your early season is October one, beans might not be a thing too much. In that case, you might be looking at oaks and stuff like that. We we've seen where early season schue Mart oaks was for us. We have a lot of oak trees in our area. But if you can find schue Mart's that are dropping fairly heavy, I mean, dude, the money.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's a red oak, but it's kind of specific because it's one of their earlier droppers in the big ye. All right, we're moving into air Q and A here. All right.
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Speaker 4: Aside from Arrowwait, what are your thoughts on the importance of durable inserts.
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Speaker 3: It's somewhat of a thing, you know, Structural integrity is not super important until you hit hard things. So it's a little bit along that Plan B Aero type thing, right that h Ranch Ferry talks about. And I don't buy into that completely, but I do like the idea of a durable eerrow. Right. And here's the other thing, guys like from a budget standpoint, I'd rather spend one hundred and eighty bucks on a dozen or whatever they cost now that are good and durable than one hundred and fifty that are not as durable, and then you shoot one into your upright post on your target and it breaks or whatever. You know. Give what I'm saying, like, spend a little bit more up front, and then maybe you have a more durable set for the long term. I do like the concept of a insert that goes pretty far down the aeroshaft because I feel like it gives just more or less of a like pivot point for breakage. If that makes sense, that's good. You know. I've seen them that are just outserts and then it's nothing but the threads inside, and those tend to kind of break right there at the back of that outsert pretty often it's just a point of like pinch or whatever the word is for it.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot to say about this, but I mean, I would say for me, durability is probably pretty It's kind of low on the scale because most guys are shooting one or two deer year. If you break an arrow on the deer, Now the practice that makes sense casey, but like on a deer, if he runs off and breaks the arrow, that's just not a point of contention for me. Like I will spend yeah, whatever that costs to have that arrow bill or whatever, plus a fifteen or twenty dollars broadhead, I will spend that on a nice buck every day of my life, you know what I mean. So I'm just kind of like, I know when you know, we used to work with Isaaca Bunch on arrow stuff, and he would always ask me how the arrows are holding up. He wants them to be durable and this and that, and I'm like, it was just never a thing I really even thought about, you know. I just I'll be like, oh, yeah, well it was fine, you know, or whatever. But he was always worried about that, because I guess that's something guys worry about. But for me, it's like, man, I'm gonna if a deer runs through some brush he's got stuck in the off side shoulder and he just cracks it in half, it's not it doesn't hurt my feelings any more or less about that deer.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: All Right, how can I tune my bow at bow and arrow at home if the nearest bow shop is several hours away.
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Speaker 3: Well, I have come and gone a long ways on this thought, and I would rather have a professional do it than do it myself. It takes a lot of time. So if you're at this is what you're telling me when you're asking this question, that you don't really know for sure either, what I would say is to make the voyage to a good archery shop, get everything in good shape, and then you can do what's called paper tuning at home, which is where you shoot through a piece of paper at like three feet and you just look at your tear, of your whole of your arrow, and if it's you know, too far out of whack and not a bullet hole, then you know you're at least out of tune. As far as like tuning at home, you probably need to just if you if you there is something that is you want to do. Like the Botex that we've shot, they have a fairly easy at home way of of doing some tuning there on the cams. I don't know too much about Matthews anymore. They used to use high hats which are required a press, and then beyond that, I'm not sure too much about other things, but it's pretty hard to do a lot of stuff at home. I know you can move your your rest around sometimes and it can help, but I feel like that's more of a patch than an actual like tune.
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Speaker 1: I have a question for you, Okay, kind of bow are you gonna shoot this year?
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Speaker 3: You mean brand?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or even model.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna shoot a compound bough. It's gonna be a Botech SR Core, probably gonna have two sit ups, you know. I am probably gonna have like something that's in a five hundred grain range and something that's like in that high five hundreds. I think I shot real good when I shoot in the five high five.
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Speaker 1: Are you gonna shoot the three fifty again?
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Speaker 3: It's probably gonna be one of my second one second bow, But the SR Core or is like kind of they're just pretty much the new three fifty. Yeah, I don't know. I got an elite land around to you. I might shoot some just because it shoots good. It's a tack driver.
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Speaker 1: MYSS thirty four shot really good last year. But I think my arrowweight I'm not sure. I feel like people struggle for whatever reason, maybe it's my draw anth or whatever, to get my arroweight down sometimes with decent components, and so you start getting above five hundred with the SS thirty four starts getting pretty slow.
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Speaker 4: What we kind of talked about it about what are your guys's arrow setups this year.
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Speaker 3: I don't have mine all aways set up yet, but that's kind of what I want is something around five hundred and something five thirty five plus and that may end up that may land between five forty or five ninety. I don't really know. I just I like it when the air gets a little slow like that, it's real, real easy to shoot.
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Speaker 1: Can watch it. I would love to shoot five hundred on the dot four fletch ninety degree fletch one hundred and twenty five point weight mechanical broadhead front deploy That's kind of what my setup would be ideally. I don't know. We've had some different We've got all kinds of different arrows from different companies, you know. So shot a bunch of you know, pretty decent, like well made, kind of built arrows, you know, not like not like you're what you kind of are used to of stuff that's like put together by a machine or whatever, but more stuff it's like got a little more of a hand feel, you know. So that's what that's what I want to shoot. I don't know for sure. Again, it depends on if we can make it five hundred or some people end up more like five ten or something.
00:32:58
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna shoot a big mechanical and then also a big three blade fixed some do you know which one? Maybe an Exodus, maybe a Montek. I'm out missed with some of them.
00:33:11
Speaker 4: But we had a conversation about a big three blade last year on the way back from South Dakota, and I can never remember which one we were talking about.
00:33:18
Speaker 3: There's some there's some like kind of lesser known brands that makes some real big ones. I might think it was like a grizzly stick or something has a three blade. Do they have a big three blade.
00:33:27
Speaker 4: Somebody one of those like yeah, Single Bevel companies has, oh, you.
00:33:31
Speaker 1: Know two broadheads. I would like to well. One broadhead I figured it's called guy sent to me the other day. When the blades like break over, uh before they hit, there's interlock. Interlock. Yeah, they have. It's like padding so it doesn't have such a like jarring, you know, brittle thing that breaks the blades. The other one I would like to shoot is a mega meat. I've heard really good things about. Yeah, the G five Mega meat but never shot one.
00:33:58
Speaker 3: Our good friend markkenys chuses mega meats.
00:34:00
Speaker 1: He does, and he's mega meaty.
00:34:04
Speaker 4: No, all right, where do you aim on a frontel if that's the only shot offering you.
00:34:11
Speaker 1: Have, broat patch, let's go, come on down.
00:34:16
Speaker 3: No, no, no, let me look AT's deer. Uh there is a cal lick right in the middle of the brisket. Uh kind of you know you're looking at I'm looking at deer on the wall right now. It's a klik right in the middle of the brisket. It's about four inches below the bottom of the chest, maybe a little higher depending on the size of the buck. I'm also looking at the biggest chest of deer any of us I've ever killed. But essentially the top of that calch is a good spot. It may depend on the quarter of the deer, you know, the deer's quartering two on you. You can aim at the top of the armpit, but the calyx is a pretty good spot.
00:34:56
Speaker 1: I think I would agree. Yeah, a calick I've never even really and then at it.
00:35:02
Speaker 3: But that's from the ground too, though, so keep that in mind. Yeah, you know, yeah, I do this thing. Maybe not everybody thinks about this way, but I'm envisioning the internal organs on the deer the whole time when I'm aiming, So I'm aiming at a heart or I'm aiming at the lungs like I'm not aiming at like a hair on a deer, which is probably not a good, you know, way of teaching it, but that's my thought. On a frontel is like I because it all depends on how elevated you are to the year in the angle. So essentially, I'm not trying to aim to on a spot on his body. I'm aiming to where I know I'm gonna hit the stuff I need to hit on the inside.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: Uh huh, I would say from a tree. You know, it definitely changes a little bit there. You think about this, there is a hole where the windpipe and all that goes into the chest cavity. That's I mean, that's what you want to hit. So you have to think about it like if it's in the rut, that neck is going to be really big, right, so it's kind of up in there. There's a kind of taught me this, but the neck is basically like four parts. It's got a lower like what would you call it like a bunch of strands right on each side, left and right, and then an upper left and right neck muscle.
00:36:13
Speaker 3: Imagine your bicep, but just all the way, four of them around a spinal cord. Yeah, a spinal call.
00:36:20
Speaker 1: Or think about the back straps on a deer. That's like the top things on the top of the neck, and then there's two backstraps underneath the bottom almost but it's it's bigger, and so on a early season deer it's a little different, but on a on a rutting deer, he's gonna have a big neck. So that windpipe is a little bit up in there. It ain't like deep in there, but it's up in there a little bit. So if you can kind of envision where that goes in, that's the that's the spot. And if the deer's frontal, there's a chance that it's semi alert. So even from a tree stand, aiming a little bit low wouldn't be a bad idea.
00:36:51
Speaker 3: Do you not take a frontel on a deer with his head down? That's my advice. Yeah, you want to win their heads up.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think the Oklahom buck was head up my South. The Coat of Buck last year was head up, are we taking any other funnels that we've killed on Illinois?
00:37:10
Speaker 3: But that was a The thing with the fronnel is it's good to know your range.
00:37:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I shot a deer on this almost frontel in Illinois. But who's it's really like straight down almost because between the.
00:37:27
Speaker 3: Shoulder blades kind of thing. Yeah, we're getting crazy weather alert right now.
00:37:33
Speaker 1: By the way, guys, it's a tornado.
00:37:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's just severe severe weather.
00:37:37
Speaker 1: Some severe tornado storms.
00:37:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be the first podcast inside of Tornado.
00:37:42
Speaker 1: Dude, let's go, Hey, keep it going, keep it going, don't stop in the air.
00:37:50
Speaker 3: Is it best to aim low? Tyler's good to answer to this.
00:37:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we think about it a little bit different. Probably generally speaking, I like to be on the side of Amy Low. Yes.
00:38:05
Speaker 3: Uh.
00:38:05
Speaker 1: But it's something like there's a lot of there's a few things in Whitetai hunting that I think about a lot. Map scouting and finding deer's one. Shooting at deer in the moment of truth is also another. And I think that I spend a lot of time in that, not just wondering, but putting scenarios in front of myself and thinking when I'm watching videos and this, this ruins the entertainment aspect of watching a video. So don't do this if you don't want. There's a lot of yeah, there are, but don't I think I think of like all the time when I'm watching a video, I'm like, where would I shoot at that ord? I aim at that buck? And so I'm always trying to keep my head about myself whenever a deer is coming in and think, you know, like how on edge is it? And at the end of the day, whenever it goes like sometimes it just things happened like in South Dakota last year, Michael, and it's just like you're just hoping that your instincts and whatever you've prepared for has taken over because you kind of do just it's just autopilot in that moment. But sometimes when you get here, it walks in real calm and nice and easy. You know, it makes it easy. So I'd say distance affects that anything anything twenty five and under. If you don't aim low, you are probably okay. Still if you make a good shot, twenty to twenty five starts seal a little bit Harry, deer gonna move. I mean, I've had deer at twenty inch to twenty five that will you know, you'll lose on a deer that's twenty to twenty five if it's not alert, you will still lose two or three inches sometimes on that deer, especially around here. Nameless was twenty three yards quartered away, didn't had no clueer in the world, didn't grunt stop him, and he still jumped two inches before they all got there on a pretty fast moving er. And so I mean they can still do it, but when you get to twenty five, things get really I mean, I'm just like I would rather miss low on a deer that's at thirty four and just miss it completely if it's like alert, and I've had misses. But I think normally my I think normally when my shots connect they're in pretty good spots, normally on broadside deer because of aiming pretty low.
00:40:29
Speaker 3: I think that deer's temperament matters a whole lot, and you need to get good at understanding that. And I'm not going to tell you how to do that. You just need to work on it so much. And also, if a deer this year is a specific thing in that though, if a deer's really run it up, he's like, but I'm not jump the string at all. And I don't mean like in the rut. I don't mean like early November. But if a deer is like had just fought off a buck or is chasing a dough, he might not move an inch no matter how far off he.
00:41:04
Speaker 1: Is Arkansas, the buck truck year. That deer that I called in with the can, he was looking right at us and did not move. Granted I thought he was closer than he was because of foggy range finder, but didn't move. I think one thing that people also should understand is I think, especially from a tree, people don't realize how low the chest cavity on that deer is, you know what I mean. So I think people hit when people lose dear, I think a lot of times because they hit high because of where they were aiming on the deer from an elevated position, plus the deer dropped and you just a lot of times. I think one long at best, you know.
00:41:46
Speaker 3: And I think that now this year I hit an elk low this past season and didn't recover the elk. That video will be out on the media channel sometime soon. But I think in general, if you air low, there's only about like an inch inch and a half down there that's like wound to miss. If you air high, you got, depending on the size of the animal, four or five inches that you can wound the deer before you miss completely. So if you just want to look at it from that on, like a you know, making a good judgment about like how to hit a deer and hopefully be lethal, Aiming low is more lethal than aiming high.
00:42:31
Speaker 1: I mean, bow hunting's risky. Yeah, I mean, wound loss is a thing. Yeah, it is. It's not to say people can't be proficient with it. But I mean, guys, if you don't like the thought of wounding deer. I don't like the thought of wounding deer, But if it bothers you so much, then just use a gun. Yeah, you know what I mean, because they're I mean, part of bow hunting it's fun, is getting close and so you know, that's that's why I like bow hunting. It's also challenging, and to me, I'm just gonna I'm probably just gonna keep shooting until I mess something up and then I'm gonna reevaluate and see if I need to do something different. That's how kind of ow.
00:43:33
Speaker 4: All right, the most affordable what's the most affordable way to go elk hunting? And this person is from East Texas.
00:43:42
Speaker 3: If that helps, well, the most affordable is to look for an over the counter hunt.
00:43:50
Speaker 1: Calik.
00:43:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that the only because there's still some over the counter kalai elk out there available, And that's probably the easy answer.
00:43:59
Speaker 1: And actually elk during the rut and still have a fun hunt. You just don't get to shoot at a ball.
00:44:03
Speaker 3: H Yeah, that's right. Or you could even draw a cow tag for a riffle hunt. And in quite a few states they're you know, guys, cats out of the bag. People value kind of be a little careful how it says they value antlered animals more than they do non antlered animals. It's the way it works. So cowtags are often less expensive because it's usually a a wildlife management tool. When people are taking cows, it's uh, you know, her dynamics. You don't want to like nineteen to one hundred bull cow ratio. You want something higher than that. So a lot of times that's why that's happening. Long story short, Yeah, cowtags are for sure the cheap way angle riffle hunting if you want to kill one.
00:44:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, riffles are fu they are many.
00:44:57
Speaker 3: How to call elk or elk calling sequel ooh sequences. Okay, So I haven't done this in a long time because I've been in different elk hunting situations where you're just chasing bulls and kind of working certain animals. I would say that people get way too in love with the bugle tube. Now I will too the bugle tube, believe me, But I forgive me if I say I have a little bit of experience with it, so I feel confident with it. Going out to some P and J country and just blowing your head off all the time, not knowing where elk are and just just is not a not a great tactic. Right nowadays, I try to not bugle un less already know where an elk is and I'm working a bull. I think that if you want to walk around and do little soft cow mews in little chs, that's probably the best way to call elk. And if your goal is to shoot a elk, you will call in cows and bulls and caves and all kinds of stuff doing that. Now, if you want to do be crazy and call in some satellite bulls, you can do it. And it's a lot of fun. That's how I've killed I killed one of my elk. This way, you just go with a partner and you both go to just doing your best bull olt impersonation and just tearing down the woods, blowing a bugle and you have two different elk sounds going and throwing some cow chirps and mews in there, and do that for like ten minutes, and then do it again for another five minutes, and then stop for a while and just sit for the next hour.
00:46:42
Speaker 4: It's fairly effective. I have an elk hunted a ton, but I think don't underestimate raking. And I feel like that's a that's a thing with white tail too. But like on the last elk hunt raking, I feel like in a couple of different situations which you need somebody to drop back, so you need a couple but it uh it, I mean it pulled a couple elk indurings. Yeah you know it was real angry.
00:47:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it was on that one.
00:47:10
Speaker 1: Well, he was raking, right, over the hill.
00:47:15
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna ask you two questions here because they kind of go together. But one, do you believe killing coyotes lead to the propagation of more coyotes? And two should I be targeting the coyotes on my property? First answer is yes, I do believe it because I've seen the studies that if you kill coyotes don't operate in a.
00:47:42
Speaker 3: How do I say this pg. They don't just all pair off boy and girl and get married and everybody just have kids and be happy. They have uh, hierarchical societies. Societies kind of we word. They have the structure within their packs where there's all only one breeding pair. If you do kill both of those breeding pair, then everything goes hey wire because the structure's not there anymore. That doesn't mean you can't kill one of the other ones. They'd be fine. But you know there's this thing where like, if you do kill the two breeding pair of coyotes, you could end up with a ballooning factor off of that. Now, if you wanna, should you target the coyotes on your property? Is it fun to you to shoot coyotes? If so, shoot some coyotes depends on what your management goals are. I don't think that the take of a single coyote can help UH with like overall predator populations very much, you know, but you know they're some people enjoy shooting them. I kind of like looking at them. But it makes you real sad when I see one with a fawn in its mouth on my true camera. So I didn't mean to take.
00:48:55
Speaker 1: That one over, but I got a lot of coyotes come, yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot to say other than the fact that if you're looking to increase the deer population on a particular property, I think the only way you can have really much bearing on that is to shoot one right when the fawns are hitting the ground. I was about to ask that question, if mean time it right, do you think you're gonna save one or two fawns potentially every time you shoot a kyote.
00:49:18
Speaker 3: Maybe listen, God made them deer real good at the thing they do. So the chances that coyotes are impacting your deer population, I personally feel is low. There are many other factors that you can work harder at to drastically increase your your carrying capacity and your deer herd health instead of hunting coyotes. Now, if you enjoy hunting coyotes, go hunt coyotes. But if you're just like, what can I do best for my deer? Put in water holes, do some some timber management, plan a food plot, all those other things.
00:49:50
Speaker 1: Encourage the government to find a cure to the tick born diseases.
00:49:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love encouraging to go.
00:49:58
Speaker 4: Alright, how long do you have in hot southern climates to get meat on ice so it won't spoil?
00:50:03
Speaker 3: I saw this when I thought this was a good question. It's a good question. I think the answer is not as long as you may think. I don't know. I don't know for sure a concrete answer. Do you have a better mean?
00:50:18
Speaker 1: And everybody thinks different about it? So, I mean, I think I've heard that fifty five degrees is kind of anything under fifty five you got quite a long time.
00:50:33
Speaker 3: So is that guts in?
00:50:36
Speaker 1: I think that's just meat. I think that's just meat guts in? Is that part of the question?
00:50:44
Speaker 3: Now?
00:50:44
Speaker 1: Is it just meat?
00:50:45
Speaker 3: Care? Basically?
00:50:46
Speaker 1: Just think I think if you can get the guts out, that's big guts and.
00:50:51
Speaker 3: Air cool it off, because I mean, animals are running between one hundred and one and ninety eight. So like most of the time, the outside air is cooler than what the animal is. So if you can get that cooling process stored to start in any way, it's good.
00:51:06
Speaker 1: I'd say, just uh, you can only do what you you know, as much as you can do. But if you have to throw meat out, something's gonna eat it, you know the uh.
00:51:19
Speaker 3: I have seen it in some animals of course. Set like the stuff around the hips, that's where you start getting it bad the quickest, it seems. And then around the mouth and nick gotta get that soft. Yeah, y'all, y'all are yo hiens are about getting that esophacus out right.
00:51:36
Speaker 4: Well, we used to be like I bet Minnesota, Wisconsin, like where it's still really cold. Yeah, Like my grandpa when he used to kill a deer, he would literally hang it in his garage, take all the guts out of, all the huesophagus out and all that, and just cut meat off in the winter because it was cold enough to sick.
00:51:56
Speaker 3: Just be fine.
00:51:57
Speaker 1: I love garage free man.
00:51:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't know about that. The person asked for an exact answer. I think that you know, hot summer climents whatever. I don't know what your temperature is. If it's like hot hot ninety degrees, I think that you've got an hour. Let's just say that.
00:52:16
Speaker 1: I'd say to get guts out your sand.
00:52:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean within an hour. You need to fit on find a way cooler thing off. But before you start seeing potential negative impacts of heat.
00:52:28
Speaker 1: I say, I would say direct sun is also just kind of speed that up big time.
00:52:33
Speaker 3: Shade makes a difference.
00:52:34
Speaker 1: Shade is very helpful wind, But yeah, it's not really a great answer to it. I think you just have to take care of as quick as possible. Get it on ice as quick as possible. If you're gonna hunt in the early season, and if it smells bad, then it probably is getting bad.
00:52:52
Speaker 3: Also, having a this is kind silly, right, but a game plan like a if you know that you're hunting hot weather, be ready to kill some thinking hot weather. Don't be surprised by it and be like, oh, I don't know what to do now. I guess we'll throw in the back of the truck and take it up here, up through you know, like, dude, a lot of you get ruined by getting thrown the back of the truck.
00:53:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, the Southern Yeah, I mean you're gonna you're gonna deal with humidity too, So it's yeah, it's a it's not great. Right.
00:53:23
Speaker 3: We went to the Hila. I didn't kill an elk, but we filled two ice just full of ice because we were like four hours away from a store when we're where our trucks are parked. So like the whole idea was like, hey, it's worth the X dollar investment just so we have ice when we come back to the truck, put the meat on.
00:53:46
Speaker 1: Yep.
00:53:47
Speaker 3: Who at the element is killing the first buck this season? M M, I know my answer Tyler. You think maybe you're Eric.
00:53:55
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's that's kind of us. I mean you like, I have a couple of the car baby Yeah, I mean sorry, it just says deer, yeah, first buck, buck buck, Okay, yeah, yeah, hope it's me.
00:54:18
Speaker 4: Have you seen this is October question, but we'll get it in. Have you seen scrape activity in the first couple of weeks of October? And is it worth focusing.
00:54:27
Speaker 1: On scrape action first few weeks of October? Remember at t L do you remember we had September scrape action over there?
00:54:35
Speaker 3: One time, Yeah, I do. I don't think it's worth focusing on.
00:54:39
Speaker 1: Man, I feel like we could have killed a deer over there, but we didn't. There was no we didn't go though there was there was daylight camera action over there.
00:54:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was, but I kind of want a little bit. And I also think that maybe it wasn't because of the scrape. I think there was a scrape there because it's a place deer were. So if you think thinking of your aspect of deer, I mean, you killed a deer over a scrape that you referenced earlier. And we watched that on camera like clockwork, retrospectively after he pulled some cards. But like early October, it was an hour after shooting light. Mid October. It was light at the end of shooting light.
00:55:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there was there was some daylight. There was a little bit of that big buck and velvet and stuff. I don't know when I I can't remember when.
00:55:28
Speaker 3: I think the fourteenth there was like a you could have shot a deer in daylight, a big deer. But it's it's again an anomaly my personal opinion, scrapes are awesome at the right time, So don't go in there. Trying to push it too early.
00:55:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's that's a that's probably the best thought there. It's uh, if you can, if you can wait for a cold front in the twenties of October, there's a there's a good thing there, brother, good thing.
00:55:59
Speaker 4: How How the heck do I find the deer once acorns start dropping? There's oaks everywhere in West Kentucky. I saw this question too.
00:56:09
Speaker 1: I don't like hunting oaks. I'll say that. I'm just gonna throw that out there.
00:56:12
Speaker 3: I never killed a deer off oak tree.
00:56:16
Speaker 1: It's I mean, and we don't get a chance to do it the same way Kentucky people get to do it a lot of times. But I and here's here's here's the thing is, we saw that first year, we saw the schu Mart thing happen. We were too late, and then it never happened to it for like five years. And now we've just gotten so busy. I mean, we sometimes prioritize our early season in other states and wherever else, And so I don't know if that's the thing that we could actually kill on or not. Like a pattern, but I don't. I don't like the thought of like I feel like if you have a white oak tree, like an American white oak or whatever they call them, the you know, the normal ones that people have that we don't have. I think that if you have one that deer or key and n on, it's probably on the way to a like agricultural food source. A lot of times not saying all the time, you.
00:57:19
Speaker 3: Know that country better? Is Western Kentucky egg country or is it?
00:57:22
Speaker 4: It's starting to get to agg but I think it's still pretty rocky.
00:57:26
Speaker 3: So one of the things I would think of, at least this question kind of leads my mind down its path, is this person's asking, Hey, in a sea of oaks, how do I find the deer? Like, if there's so much food, what do you do? I think that there's a few things, but the one thing I would do is look for a limited resource elsewhere. Hund Water could be a thing. Cover, it could be a thing, you know, find where they're bedding, and I don't want to go too far down.
00:57:54
Speaker 1: Cover is a good one because in oaks there's not going to be a lot of cover underneath a lot of times, so that's a good one.
00:58:02
Speaker 3: I like that on a lot, and uh, you know, just go if it's bad the bone food source. Go in there and stop around, find what they're doing, and just hunt and deal with the little bit of pressure you put on them.
00:58:14
Speaker 1: You have to put you have to put multiple which I like to do this no matter what, but you have to put other things have to be put together. So if it's the sea of oaks, uh, hunt the saddle, or if it's a sea of oaks, hunt the top. Like on a ridge, there's a lot of times you'll have these finger draws and they all come up kind of to the same level, and deal will travel across those finger draws down the ridge, like put those things together. Or maybe there's a cliff somewhere, you know, hunt the stuff that's on one side or the other the cliff. Maybe it's a flat those other things to eat the.
00:58:48
Speaker 3: This is risky. Still hunt yeah around you know, keep other hunters in mine if you're on public. But if it's uh a lot of oaks and there's not a lot of people around, the last hour of daylight, just kind of move around slowly through that stuff and uh man, you'll be surprised. Once you get on the ground deer and mess around with them, you'll be Michael knows this like you. It's crazy what you can get away with if you move in a smart fashion. Yeah, crazy what you can get away with.
00:59:17
Speaker 1: And Moultrie, our Moultrie cameras that we've been using are like huge part of what some of this because you can learn so much from them, and you can learn what we do most of the time is eliminate stuff. So with a trail camera as much, it's as much about eliminating. So like say, I hang some cameras in that big oak you know area, and all I'm getting is dark pictures. Yeah, and in the big oak areas it's like a boa. But you end up knowing like, Okay, well there's bucks around a hunt, they're just not there in daylight. So you've already eliminated. Like I mean, if it's thirty minutes after date that you can go ahead and eliminate one hundred two hundred yards circle around that spot, you know what I mean. You start to eliminate some pretty good chunks of of ground and then you find you know, go put camera somewhere else, and you've eliminated a lot of the ground real quick.
01:00:17
Speaker 3: Before the next question, I just thought of something that we're supposed to do. There is a new channel on YouTube for me. You're specifically devoted to the podcast and the media networks. You'll find us Wired to Hunt, the Media main show, and some others on White Till Bombs pays a couple of episodes on there.
01:00:37
Speaker 1: Do they really?
01:00:38
Speaker 3: Yeah? With the channel with Yeah, they had no idea.
01:00:42
Speaker 1: Y'all were supposed to do a lot more of those.
01:00:44
Speaker 3: Weren't you. Yeah, No, man, we're gonna we're gonna ramp them back. They're gonna get firedn't really be the white tail bums. I need an I need another bum here, we'd be doing one.
01:00:55
Speaker 1: He'll he'll get here.
01:00:57
Speaker 3: The bum and cupcake in the morning. That's so go check that out if you haven't. Guys, this is actually the last question Collee.
01:01:09
Speaker 4: Finally, all right, how long does it take deer to get used to the fence around feeders?
01:01:17
Speaker 2: Oh?
01:01:17
Speaker 3: I like this? Yeah, you talk defense, So I say within the first evening you put the fence up. Let's just say feeders overall? How long does it take?
01:01:30
Speaker 1: I mean, if you got a corn on the ground, it don't take it. They especially around here. They hungry.
01:01:36
Speaker 3: Mature buck could get weird. But it's pret situational. I would say, if you're concerned about this, get it out preseason, get the fence up preseason right now. Deer wake holmer. Like when they get the antlers off, I mean the not anilers, they get the velvet off, they get skittish, they get aggressive, They just essentially their test allstone ramps up. And what test of strone does to temperaments is it just accentuates whatever the current temperament of an animal is or a human same thing. So like if a deer is a little bit anxious, a deer with a lot of testostro is gonna be a very anxious buck.
01:02:13
Speaker 1: That's why I'm so anxious.
01:02:14
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Just get them kind of acclimated to whatever you need them acclamate it to in the preseason, and they'll do well with it.
01:02:24
Speaker 1: I think Also if it's a small pin, I think deer you're going to always be a little bit skidis shoven. So the bigger the pen, the more the easier it is. You think about, like I like to think about like if you had a cattle pastures fifty acres, it's got a fence all the way around that there don't. They're not weird being in the middle of that thing, you know what I mean. So at some point there's there's a the pen is big enough, and I've seen I've seen pins that were like built in a triangle and they're like ninety y'all words each way. It's like just big, big pins. You know what's the math on that? From the feeder to the opposite side. There's like probably some fagor in them or something you can do, but it's probably just like forty yards though, from the feeder.
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Speaker 3: To the wall. Yeah, right, but that's still that's a big that's a big area.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I also think that if you can get away with it, maybe you don't live with there's hogs. Barbed wire is way less intrusive than a cattle panel or you're ground hunting, Yeah for sure, but absolutely if you don't want the pressure, like I think deer like the pin more. If you have hog pressure bad I mean, they get their own exclusive food source. Yeah, it's great for deer if you can put a pin around a feeder in that case. So, yeah, those are our thoughts. We're kind of excited about deer hunt right now. Weird as that sounds. I saw that Tyler alluded to it earlier, but I saw a really nice velvet buck with ay like a three year old. Also, they were in a bachelor group down right next to the road. And it's like a deer that I would love to shoot on my property if I could ever have one.
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Speaker 1: Show up like that, just a couple of miles away.
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Speaker 3: But I was thinking about it all the way over here. Is like, man, that like it was like my kickoff into being excited about deer. That's kind of cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty pumped. I mean cause I'm I got a couple of trips and stuff between here and Deer season. It's gonna make it feel like I'm flying. I mean, it's gonna make it feel like Deer Season's here in no time. So kind of kind of really thinking about packing some stuff, getting like ordered, ordering broadheads. I should do that too, stuff like that.
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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah that sounds good.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, cool, pretty excited about this stuff. I think, what's it, July seventeenth, and I mean in a month, we'll be two weeks out from Deer season opening for a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: As exciting times. Man. By the way, I should have mentioned this early in the podcast as well. We're doing an event in Austin. It's going to be sick at Archery Country. Our buddy's down there now. Don't get me wrong, guys, we love our on target archery. Here in Canton, Texas is a long way from there, though. You know, there's good archer shops all around the state. We have friends down there Archery Country as well. We're going to do an event with Jesse Griffiths and the crew there at Archery Country. Jess as a chef. Yes, sorry, I forget that. Not everybody knows Jesse. Jesse is a beard, James Beard, a ward winning chef with a beard, Yeah, with a beard.
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Speaker 1: Usually he's been nominated and he's won.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's got some sick cookbooks and a really awesome restaurant, and the list goes on and on. Great knives, and he's going to show the general public how he butchers a hog, which I've seen him do, and he, of course is more in depth than what your average bear would be. So I'm excited about it. It's gonna be on a Monday night, is it? The twenty ninth of July. Head over the Archery Country page on Instagram. You can see the the infographic for that stuff. We've shared it on a story I think too, and there'll probably be some more stuff coming out as well leading up to that. But it's gonna be a cool event. We're giving away actually a lot of first light. We asked, hey, can we give away some first light at this at this thing, and they were like, yeah, here's way more than you thought you needed. So, uh, that's gonna be a pretty good thing for some people. I can put the link in the description of this behind the way to go, Yeah, there is a link. Well, I can put the link to the Instagram.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I got you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a door fee on this thing, because I think it's going to be kind of like a top notch event.
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Speaker 1: I mean in there barbecue involved it. I think there's gonna be wild hogs served there. Jesse cooks. Yeah, so so it's it's like, I know, I'm telling you, he's dude. I wish that I could be this way And this is where like, you gotta choose a career, right. I love the fact that I get to deer hunt and that's my career, But if my career was cooking, I would be the way Jesse is. This dude makes everything from scratch like all his sauces. He makes ketch up at his restaurant. He probably makes it at his house like and he does it all like he'll like he'll like source stuff from random people who are just like herbologists or whatever, you know, stuff and it's like everything is not only just tasty and flavorful, but it's also like doesn't have any of the junk that may.
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Speaker 3: Go by the way, no seed oil, die do a no seed oils. As of this past winner.
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Speaker 1: I think Michael is super excited about Ye.
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Speaker 3: No more sunburn that's going.
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Speaker 1: So we know what else what We're gonna have a shirt there that nobody has ever been able to buy.
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Speaker 3: Yah.
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Speaker 1: Lord Willing will have a shirt that's two different shirt offerings and and so those will be available to everybody at some point I think this fall but to select people who come to that event, there will be T shirts there to buy that are really cool. Say what they are? Should we not?
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Speaker 3: Let's say it on another one, Okay, but look for Michael and a hula skirt and he'll sell you a T shirt.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be the only guy that we can get to go with us.
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Speaker 3: Yea, he's the only got works here.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if gregor Eric or even.
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Speaker 3: I don't even know what that is. Good.
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Speaker 1: It's like a hula hoop.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's a type of gig that people use for bass fishing. Yeah, we don't do that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't dance.
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Speaker 3: No, we don't do that.
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Speaker 1: You two step? Huh you two step? No, he needs to.
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Speaker 3: Dyna wants to teach me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet she does. She gonna lead.
01:08:52
Speaker 3: I'm not answering this question. Just wrap the podcast, you wrap it. No, I's a professional.
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Speaker 2: Is your live in it
Speaker 1: Hey, Hull, I'm k C.
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Speaker 2: And you're listening to the Element Podcast.
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Speaker 3: What is going on? Everybody? We having a hea haw time here at the Element Podcast. This podcast is brought to you by first Light Gear. And I can't say too much because I'll get in trouble, But look towards the end of the month for some new first like gear hitting the market. Home probably would be pretty excited. It's some stuff that you've been asking a lot of questions about throughout the past year. So be ready for fishing. Yeah, I use it that way for sure. Actually netting, I like to stick my first leg you're under the water and bring up mets or for fish. That's it, man? What is that on? Oh that's for whitetail. Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny. Here's okay, Can I divert real quick?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: That's weird. So here's here's here's a This isn't a huge deal. I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but this is something that I think doesn't make sense to me in my mind. When people call deer booners, they're referring to a system called the Boone and Crockett system. To be a booner, it has to net over one seventy. It doesn't gross for a deer. Yeah, and so that gets uh, that gets thrown around pretty randomly. But to actually net one seventy is much bigger than one seventy most of the time. Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: I think I don't remember I looked at for typical what it?
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Speaker 4: Uh?
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Speaker 3: I think I looked at the average at one point in time. But like, most deer are going to have like eight inches of deductions or something.
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Speaker 1: And you get that when your score is that high. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, they're gonna get That's.
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Speaker 3: What I meant. Like they get above the one Seddi mark, you're gonna have quite a bit of deduction on there, so you can deduce what you want to from that deuce. Michael gen Z's on here again. We learned I learned today that gen Z refers to losers as Ohio.
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Speaker 4: How is this is ridiculous? No, real fascination with gen Z is right now. But you need to stop it. You're too deep.
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Speaker 1: Too deep.
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Speaker 2: You want to know from you what that means.
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Speaker 1: It really hurts.
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Speaker 3: I'm being honest, it really hurts. Yeah, I bet you some gen Z was watching the Ohio Michigan game for this past year and came up with that or the.
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Speaker 5: Year before that, it's ry Actually yeah, I he is, y'all, but y'all y'all make do y'all make them?
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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, there's something Ohio State leads at. It's like the making the most money or something. But it ain't making the most money because I think that's ut. But there's there's something I was looking at through the day where Ohio State led the nation in like I can't remember what it was. It have something to do with, you know, athletics or whatever I believe or maybe it was I believe it. I don't remember what it was. Anyway, money it wasn't in IL because A and M led last year and that let's just be a program worth or whatever. A and M led last year with one hundred and eleven million dollars in NIL.
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Speaker 3: It takes it was like one t in or something.
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Speaker 1: SMU this year one hundred and fifty nine.
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Speaker 3: All of those teams went by. But do you think it's more but it's actually just inflation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But the problem is Phil Knight has pledged what is it an un limited amount unlimited of nil money to Oregon.
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Speaker 3: I believe, how do you offer unlimited money?
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Speaker 1: You got to have lots of it?
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Speaker 3: That is the most ridiculous thing. Yeah, so that does it for an our obscure corner of college football talk. Here at the Element, we love to do a little bit of that, but today is going to be a white tail well not just white tail hunting Q and A stuff. We try to do this about once a month because we get a lot of questions on socially appreciate that stuff, guys for sure, but this is a great outlet for it because it's kind of hard for us to individually address questions and uh, instead you can ask questions on this and then it helps everybody because I promise if you have the question, somebody else probably has it too, unless it's something like, hey, how do I you know, hunt white tails in uh, you know, South Beach, And then that's not gonna really be a thing, right Yeah, I just know it because of Lebron's thing right back to Ohio.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I will say, I saw the video.
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Speaker 3: You gotta be a bad state if you get left twice by Lebron.
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Speaker 1: Video of Lebron in those heat blackout Jerseys. Man, that was the prime right, That was.
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Speaker 3: Fun times, man, Yeah, it was fun times all right, Michael. Michael's going to lead our Q and A discussion here by prompting us with questions. We've reviewed these before him. Make sure there's nothing that we don't want to answer, and we try to do our best answer everything. Guys. But like when you get real specific about like you know, this county in a state or something like that, A we're not always good at answering that, and B we don't feel good about putting that which of a spotlight on a thing, So oftentimes we will avoid the general state talk and talk more about like habitat types. But you know, so there's some things inn arn't a secret, like I was a great hunt, so you know, we kind of just play that stuff by here. So Michael, H can you just go ahead and get started.
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Speaker 4: Question number one, I'm wondering what basics to look for. I'm assuming this means in scouting, but specifically on top of topography maps.
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Speaker 3: That would one. Yeah, so so it means topographical features so on on X there's kind of three bass layers you can use. You can use topographical map, you can use an aerial map or you can use a hybrid, and then there's other things within that you can do, like two D and three D and all kinds of cool stuff. They're coming out with new stuff all the time. I can't even keep up with the latest, greatest stuff. But real handy tool. One of the question prompts was like map scouting, So probably that and so if you were to just look at the topography side of things, uh and take out everything else. It really is going to depend on where you're at in the country. You know, if if you're in say the planes, you have a lot of similar topography, some rolling topography, but if you have like a deeper canyon with some finger canyons, that's really gonna be something to check out. And if you want to get real specific, those finger canyons are where the deer spend their days. They go up in those little fingers and find little hetty holes where they get some some shade and feel very secluded. And you can literally drive across what you think is the past year and just miss deer completely. Tyler, any other thoughts.
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Speaker 1: On topography, This is basics to look for, Yeah, deer, I'm assuming I mean if you're like, I don't know, like if you're hunt in Kentucky or Tennessee. I mean one thing that uh, you know, to kind of understand would be that would be good as saddles. Saddles are good. I think something that's under is a flat that is at the bottom of a finger canyon that leads into it draw our creek system. I think those flats are good places to find deer that are staging. You're gonna get a pretty good sentiment, a sediment fill in there that's gonna grow like pretty good forbes and different grasses for them to eat and chew on and whatever else. They're not on a hill, so they're kind of relaxed, and I think, you know, it's a good place to find some rut in action going on during the rut too. But those saddles, a lot of times they're gonna be up on top of a ridge system if there's if there's a road or trail up there. Again, hunting during the rut is no big deal if there's roads around, because those those bucks are gonna know where the saddles are and they're gonna cruise through them even if there's a road there, just to get across real quick. They start to get real crazy that time of year. So even hunting close to the road, if you have a really good that leads from one good drainage to another or into an agfield or something like that, man, that's uh pretty prime stuff. It's a good way to find those overlook spots.
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Speaker 4: And on the same vein as what you're talking about examples of overlooked areas.
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Speaker 1: On public Yeah, I mean that that start with that one. I guess the saddle by the road, you know, yeah, would be a good place.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that anything. So a lot of public ground has like road that borders the public and so you can access at any point in time, any point in time, you can get some private between the road and the public. I think like around the Bend there is sometimes a pretty good spot because a lot of times guys are trying to a lot of times people take like straight lines go way in and if you can just kind of make a loop around back in on the backside of some private that actually is really close to the road, that might be a good starting point as well. I mean, the more I hunt public land, the more I realize deer are just where deer want to be And Tyler, you might have a different opinion on this, but I think that people overestimate the impact of pressure.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes, Yeah, that's pretty good, that's pretty good thought.
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Speaker 3: They just deer just live where it's good for deer, and then they figure out how to move to where they don't encounter people. And so I just think that the best thing to do is just to find what is the deariest thing you can do, and then try to figure out how to maybe access that in a creative way that maybe outsmarts of people.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good thought. I think on that same to kind of just pivot off of that, or not pivot, but really just continue with that. A lot of times you can even see this on aerials. A lot of times, a human trail into an area on public is even more like prominent on a map than a deer trail a lot of times. So if a trail looks really good coming from a parking lot, you know, obviously coming from a parking lot, a trail looks really good going down the edge of a piece of public or something like that, there's a chance that it's a dude that's been walking in there at least he was during the year that that picture was taken from the aerial So I mean, if you get there and you see, yeah, that's just the direction everyone goes towards. I can think of one place here in Texas at Casey and I have been in not a whole lot, but like everybody goes in a certain direction. If you were to turn and go about one to eighty the other direction, it's just like like briar thicket, honeysuckle, like so thick. Well, if you can work around maybe the first part of that thicket, maybe it's not that way anymore, but nobody ever turns and goes back that way because of that. So you know, as case this morning, all you need is a little place that bucks don't get bothered ever, and they'll hang out there all day, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw one of the bigger deer that I've seen in our area the state, like fifty yards from the road, just bedded down, kind of crazy, and he was there like an hour later.
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Speaker 1: I've got four hours later, I've got a couple of does or a doe and a bunch of funds that how far is it down there to the pear tree? Two hundred yards two hundred. No, actually it's less than that. This is a three hundred foot pole of the pole right here, so it's uh yeah, So it's gonna be like one hundred and twenty yards maybe from like my driveway, not my driveway, but like where we park our trucks and people are in and out of their vehicles and stuff, and those deer aren't even all the way to that pole, and they don't they won't even look when I'm talking outside. But if you you go forty yards down the driveway, all of a sudden, oh, I hear something coming, and they pay attention. But I can walk around out here, I can shoot my bow whatever. They don't. They don't care at all. And that's the difference. Like literally eighty yards, a deer is fine as long as they hear you doing your thing at eighty yards. So they be fine with somebody leaving a parking lot and going to the right every time they come out, and nobody ever goes left. And you know, so I guess when you go left, you gotta be quiet, and you gotta be able to observe sign really quickly and think, oh that's fresh enough. I'm gonna get on it and do the thing. So but yeah, I mean, really the overlook stuff it's hard to find. It's not impossible, but it is hard to find from maps. It takes a little bit of dirt under your boots a lot of times to find those.
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Speaker 3: Another thing, and I don't want to take too long on these, but I just thought about it is monotonous habitat like two hundred acres pluses habitat. Oftentimes people don't want to go mess with that because it's hard to interpret. And that is the case, but dear no, when people don't really want to go into.
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Speaker 4: An area bunch, all right, how do I become better at identifying types of trees?
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Speaker 3: Well, one of the things you can do is download on Naturalist and take pictures of trees that you don't know what they are, take pictures of the leaves, and then it will give you a good I mean, it's pretty accurate, you know, guess as to what the tree is. You could go to your county extension service and they might be able to give you some literature to help with that, or you could get on you know, go to the library. I know that sounds like an out, you know what library is okay, not really online library, Yeah, uh you could. I love personally, I love going to Half Price book. I think that paper copies of stuff is still super valuable Personally. I love going to half Price books and finding you know, here in Texas at least it's a thing. But like you can find Texas Native species books and uh, you know, identification stuff, the Audubon stuff. Uh, those Audubon books throughout my life have been like invaluable to me for birds and stuff like that, you know, and that was probably kind of pre cell phone that I was still like nerding at in those books. But I used to have birdless in the Audubon book. You know, it's an audible and field God. So it's like kind of small, like a like you'd see like a small Bible looking book. And uh, I think those are really sick. Those are Those are awesome to have because it gave you a short description of things and uh yeah that's uh that's my thoughts on that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it's good.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, can I get you get you some people around here? Also?
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's I mean really that's a good one too. Is like somebody who knows whether it's an old timer or uh, there's probably people like in the forestry industry that would let you walk around with them for a few days here and there.
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Speaker 3: You know, also you might go out a different direction and figure out what the deer eating. And then maybe you don't have to learn what a you know, a mulberry tree is or whatever you know, insert whatever tree first. You know it might there might be a priority list as to what trees you care are. What This is a big question right here.
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Speaker 4: I hope you're ready. Okay, is summer scouting even worth it? It seems like deer switch it up by the time season comes.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Uh. Some somebody posted about this in our account the other day. Someone said worth the headache, and then, you're honest, was like, what do you mean headache? Like brother listened at eight seventy three here.
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Speaker 1: And the humidities out of this world?
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Speaker 3: I think, Tyler, you go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I'm jumping in Okay. No, No, I would just say, because I thought about this yesterday, actually because I was working out cool, I'm not. I'm not the man I used to be. Man. Yeah, I think when we were in I think if you're in your twenties, you ought to be kicking your tail and getting out there and doing some stuff. I'm not saying you don't you just stop at thirty because I never land and stop at thirty. But like I'm just saying that we learned a lot summer scouting. It wasn't It never correlated to here's some pictures of a deer or here's me filming this deer eating beans in the afternoons and this summer and then I'm gonna kill that deer in November netting the trail camera pictures never correlated to it. Nothing. We learned a lot, though, and we and we saw a lot of ground. So if summertime is when you can go see ground, it's not a bad idea, our buddy, Anthony, I think calmon on that picture on Facebook and made a really good point. But the best time to do it is January to March. I mean, that's when if you want to scout property and learn about what the deer doing, that is the best time to do it. Summer scouting is not necessarily worth it to me in our neck of the woods. If I lived in Iowa or Ohio, where like Michael, when you were up there to the day you saw bucks using a beanfield at what midday? I mean, is that something. Do you think that like those deer are doing that often in that I have.
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Speaker 4: Seen deer at all times of the day in that specific field.
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Speaker 1: That's why I want to buy it.
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Speaker 3: But I think it's a pretty specific situation going on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but still you can learn what deer there and where they're coming out. Maybe if you just do it drive like in Ohio. We'll just use it as an example.
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Speaker 4: If I just went and drove around in the country for an evening and I'm like, oh, here's a big buckeet field. I'll go knock on the farmer's door. It's just a literal cornfield. Maybe there's like an acre or two of trees. You could I mean, you could have a pretty good chance of the deer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that. I think that there's different situations where it could work. I think here in East Texas, where we spent a lot of time cutting our teeth summertime scouting has never really I can't say it hasn't paid off.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't directly correlated to a deer killed that season, and we can we directly potentially, yes, you and I would potentially if we didn't have to send emails and stuff when we potentially be on the maps for four hours a day sometimes or more.
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Speaker 1: I love it. And in fact I drew a tag, and before I drew it, when I put in for it, I.
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Speaker 3: Talked you into it.
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Speaker 1: You did. But I spent five hours that day on maps that day and looked at every every single property that I could put atentially hunt and threw some pins down wherever I thought there might potentially be a deer on that.
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Speaker 3: Are you gonna go summer scout that this year?
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Speaker 1: No, I mean I'd like to, but we're starting to run out of the summertime. Yeah, left to for us, you know, with with travel.
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Speaker 3: And so here's a quick point I have for summertime scouting where we live. I think in other parts of the country kind of as Tyler said, it's it's probably a good idea, especially just to get you out and doing stuff, take your kids or whatever. But where we live, I like to use my one August or September trail cam hang day as my summer scout day. If I'm gonna do if I'm gonna do all that, we use multimobile cameras, So don't think go back and visit them very often. You noted the pool cards or anything. And it's uh, like, it's actually really cool because you get out there to get started early in the morning. Maybe pick a day that you have an overcast like today, it would be a great trail camera day and uh you uh, you know, can work till one or two and then finally it's too hot and you go back in. But you kind of all that out of your system, maybe learn some stuff, make some observations, and be ready to rock.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really make the point that I was trying to earlier, but I just I like the heat has been getting to me. I don't know if it's because it's I don't know if it's an age thing, as much of it as it is. I had knee surgery and I haven't really talked about it a whole lot, but I haven't done a whole lot. So when I get out there and start getting active, my head gets hot quick, I think that's it. And just it's like a it's like bigger deer live farther north. You know, my bigger head.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you know old buckhead over here.
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Speaker 4: It's all right, How do I scout when the field I hunt is planted in corn this year.
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Speaker 1: Find the find the trails that are what ingress into the field pretty much right, Trail cameras. Trail cameras are good the cornfields in my experience, we're not super versed in this, but fields have a margin around the edge that deer will oftentimes kind of travel in between the trees and the actual first row of corn. So I mean hanging a trail camera angled down that that stretch is probably a good idea, especially if there's like a a kind of perpendicular trail coming into the field right there, and those deer are gonna have everything they need once the corn comes out. They got to go somewhere, and they're gonna go into that nearest block of woods.
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Speaker 3: So that's uh, that's was kind of my next thought on that is that maybe I fall the deer living in the corn. You go into the woods and figure out where you think they're gonna go as soon as the corn comes out, and be ready to rock and roll. You know, you could be there the day the guy's cutting potentially, and just it'd be a white el sch Morgan's word, because they're just.
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Speaker 1: Like a screen one.
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Speaker 3: I've dreamed about doing that.
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Speaker 1: The flue flues at them day.
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Speaker 3: Let's go bring your recurves to me. Deer.
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Speaker 4: What to look for when trying to find early season hunting locations on public early season hunting locations, Yeah, I.
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Speaker 3: Would look for a place that doesn't have a lot of water and find some.
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Speaker 1: And I wish I knew where these people were from. Yeah, I could, I could help I this a little bit more. After hunting access this year, I feel more confident in water than I ever used to be because white tail we're also coming in and using water often when we're hunting.
00:23:24
Speaker 3: Access to deer. But I still I struggle with confidence of it. And I killed a deer over water one time in the winter time. You know, it was like set up for water. Uh, that's sick video, by the way, he had and watched it, Michael, would you put that in the show notes that you know what's jeer, I'm talking about Oklahoma. Yeah, and then from map scouting. See, here's what gets tough is that early season food sources are often just covered with yeah herbicide past, so it's hard to pick out like persimmons and stuff like that that are early seasons.
00:24:11
Speaker 1: Like if you've been there and you know where Persimmon Grove is. That's when you can start to go, okay, that's what it looks like on the area.
00:24:18
Speaker 3: Well, you know on X does have that oak layer. Yeah, that seems to be fairly accurate some places. That's more handy than others. Some states we go to and it's just everything is an oak, right, and so they only divide them into reds and whites and whites de fault earlier, so that might may help. But if you're in a state or an area that has just these little groves of oaks here and there, it's pretty handy. We hunt a couple of states that are like that, and it's pretty accurate.
00:24:47
Speaker 1: I'd say beans in alfalfa kind of early season food sources a lot of times, and so you can alfalfa is probably gonna be alfalfa beans. It's gonna look like like corn in most states on the on X maps. So if you're in bean and corn country, then it's a it's usually a year over year rotation. So if it's corn on the map, that's last year's that's what they that's what they claimed on the ag exemption or whatever. So it will probably be beans this year. So that's two ways for early season. Now, the beans can be tough. If your early season is October one, beans might not be a thing too much. In that case, you might be looking at oaks and stuff like that. We we've seen where early season schue Mart oaks was for us. We have a lot of oak trees in our area. But if you can find schue Mart's that are dropping fairly heavy, I mean, dude, the money.
00:25:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's a red oak, but it's kind of specific because it's one of their earlier droppers in the big ye. All right, we're moving into air Q and A here. All right.
00:26:02
Speaker 4: Aside from Arrowwait, what are your thoughts on the importance of durable inserts.
00:26:09
Speaker 3: It's somewhat of a thing, you know, Structural integrity is not super important until you hit hard things. So it's a little bit along that Plan B Aero type thing, right that h Ranch Ferry talks about. And I don't buy into that completely, but I do like the idea of a durable eerrow. Right. And here's the other thing, guys like from a budget standpoint, I'd rather spend one hundred and eighty bucks on a dozen or whatever they cost now that are good and durable than one hundred and fifty that are not as durable, and then you shoot one into your upright post on your target and it breaks or whatever. You know. Give what I'm saying, like, spend a little bit more up front, and then maybe you have a more durable set for the long term. I do like the concept of a insert that goes pretty far down the aeroshaft because I feel like it gives just more or less of a like pivot point for breakage. If that makes sense, that's good. You know. I've seen them that are just outserts and then it's nothing but the threads inside, and those tend to kind of break right there at the back of that outsert pretty often it's just a point of like pinch or whatever the word is for it.
00:27:40
Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot to say about this, but I mean, I would say for me, durability is probably pretty It's kind of low on the scale because most guys are shooting one or two deer year. If you break an arrow on the deer, Now the practice that makes sense casey, but like on a deer, if he runs off and breaks the arrow, that's just not a point of contention for me. Like I will spend yeah, whatever that costs to have that arrow bill or whatever, plus a fifteen or twenty dollars broadhead, I will spend that on a nice buck every day of my life, you know what I mean. So I'm just kind of like, I know when you know, we used to work with Isaaca Bunch on arrow stuff, and he would always ask me how the arrows are holding up. He wants them to be durable and this and that, and I'm like, it was just never a thing I really even thought about, you know. I just I'll be like, oh, yeah, well it was fine, you know, or whatever. But he was always worried about that, because I guess that's something guys worry about. But for me, it's like, man, I'm gonna if a deer runs through some brush he's got stuck in the off side shoulder and he just cracks it in half, it's not it doesn't hurt my feelings any more or less about that deer.
00:28:55
Speaker 2: You know.
00:28:57
Speaker 4: All Right, how can I tune my bow at bow and arrow at home if the nearest bow shop is several hours away.
00:29:04
Speaker 3: Well, I have come and gone a long ways on this thought, and I would rather have a professional do it than do it myself. It takes a lot of time. So if you're at this is what you're telling me when you're asking this question, that you don't really know for sure either, what I would say is to make the voyage to a good archery shop, get everything in good shape, and then you can do what's called paper tuning at home, which is where you shoot through a piece of paper at like three feet and you just look at your tear, of your whole of your arrow, and if it's you know, too far out of whack and not a bullet hole, then you know you're at least out of tune. As far as like tuning at home, you probably need to just if you if you there is something that is you want to do. Like the Botex that we've shot, they have a fairly easy at home way of of doing some tuning there on the cams. I don't know too much about Matthews anymore. They used to use high hats which are required a press, and then beyond that, I'm not sure too much about other things, but it's pretty hard to do a lot of stuff at home. I know you can move your your rest around sometimes and it can help, but I feel like that's more of a patch than an actual like tune.
00:30:25
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, Okay, kind of bow are you gonna shoot this year?
00:30:31
Speaker 3: You mean brand?
00:30:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, or even model.
00:30:35
Speaker 3: I'm gonna shoot a compound bough. It's gonna be a Botech SR Core, probably gonna have two sit ups, you know. I am probably gonna have like something that's in a five hundred grain range and something that's like in that high five hundreds. I think I shot real good when I shoot in the five high five.
00:30:54
Speaker 1: Are you gonna shoot the three fifty again?
00:30:57
Speaker 3: It's probably gonna be one of my second one second bow, But the SR Core or is like kind of they're just pretty much the new three fifty. Yeah, I don't know. I got an elite land around to you. I might shoot some just because it shoots good. It's a tack driver.
00:31:09
Speaker 1: MYSS thirty four shot really good last year. But I think my arrowweight I'm not sure. I feel like people struggle for whatever reason, maybe it's my draw anth or whatever, to get my arroweight down sometimes with decent components, and so you start getting above five hundred with the SS thirty four starts getting pretty slow.
00:31:33
Speaker 4: What we kind of talked about it about what are your guys's arrow setups this year.
00:31:38
Speaker 3: I don't have mine all aways set up yet, but that's kind of what I want is something around five hundred and something five thirty five plus and that may end up that may land between five forty or five ninety. I don't really know. I just I like it when the air gets a little slow like that, it's real, real easy to shoot.
00:32:00
Speaker 1: Can watch it. I would love to shoot five hundred on the dot four fletch ninety degree fletch one hundred and twenty five point weight mechanical broadhead front deploy That's kind of what my setup would be ideally. I don't know. We've had some different We've got all kinds of different arrows from different companies, you know. So shot a bunch of you know, pretty decent, like well made, kind of built arrows, you know, not like not like you're what you kind of are used to of stuff that's like put together by a machine or whatever, but more stuff it's like got a little more of a hand feel, you know. So that's what that's what I want to shoot. I don't know for sure. Again, it depends on if we can make it five hundred or some people end up more like five ten or something.
00:32:58
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna shoot a big mechanical and then also a big three blade fixed some do you know which one? Maybe an Exodus, maybe a Montek. I'm out missed with some of them.
00:33:11
Speaker 4: But we had a conversation about a big three blade last year on the way back from South Dakota, and I can never remember which one we were talking about.
00:33:18
Speaker 3: There's some there's some like kind of lesser known brands that makes some real big ones. I might think it was like a grizzly stick or something has a three blade. Do they have a big three blade.
00:33:27
Speaker 4: Somebody one of those like yeah, Single Bevel companies has, oh, you.
00:33:31
Speaker 1: Know two broadheads. I would like to well. One broadhead I figured it's called guy sent to me the other day. When the blades like break over, uh before they hit, there's interlock. Interlock. Yeah, they have. It's like padding so it doesn't have such a like jarring, you know, brittle thing that breaks the blades. The other one I would like to shoot is a mega meat. I've heard really good things about. Yeah, the G five Mega meat but never shot one.
00:33:58
Speaker 3: Our good friend markkenys chuses mega meats.
00:34:00
Speaker 1: He does, and he's mega meaty.
00:34:04
Speaker 4: No, all right, where do you aim on a frontel if that's the only shot offering you.
00:34:11
Speaker 1: Have, broat patch, let's go, come on down.
00:34:16
Speaker 3: No, no, no, let me look AT's deer. Uh there is a cal lick right in the middle of the brisket. Uh kind of you know you're looking at I'm looking at deer on the wall right now. It's a klik right in the middle of the brisket. It's about four inches below the bottom of the chest, maybe a little higher depending on the size of the buck. I'm also looking at the biggest chest of deer any of us I've ever killed. But essentially the top of that calch is a good spot. It may depend on the quarter of the deer, you know, the deer's quartering two on you. You can aim at the top of the armpit, but the calyx is a pretty good spot.
00:34:56
Speaker 1: I think I would agree. Yeah, a calick I've never even really and then at it.
00:35:02
Speaker 3: But that's from the ground too, though, so keep that in mind. Yeah, you know, yeah, I do this thing. Maybe not everybody thinks about this way, but I'm envisioning the internal organs on the deer the whole time when I'm aiming, So I'm aiming at a heart or I'm aiming at the lungs like I'm not aiming at like a hair on a deer, which is probably not a good, you know, way of teaching it, but that's my thought. On a frontel is like I because it all depends on how elevated you are to the year in the angle. So essentially, I'm not trying to aim to on a spot on his body. I'm aiming to where I know I'm gonna hit the stuff I need to hit on the inside.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: Uh huh, I would say from a tree. You know, it definitely changes a little bit there. You think about this, there is a hole where the windpipe and all that goes into the chest cavity. That's I mean, that's what you want to hit. So you have to think about it like if it's in the rut, that neck is going to be really big, right, so it's kind of up in there. There's a kind of taught me this, but the neck is basically like four parts. It's got a lower like what would you call it like a bunch of strands right on each side, left and right, and then an upper left and right neck muscle.
00:36:13
Speaker 3: Imagine your bicep, but just all the way, four of them around a spinal cord. Yeah, a spinal call.
00:36:20
Speaker 1: Or think about the back straps on a deer. That's like the top things on the top of the neck, and then there's two backstraps underneath the bottom almost but it's it's bigger, and so on a early season deer it's a little different, but on a on a rutting deer, he's gonna have a big neck. So that windpipe is a little bit up in there. It ain't like deep in there, but it's up in there a little bit. So if you can kind of envision where that goes in, that's the that's the spot. And if the deer's frontal, there's a chance that it's semi alert. So even from a tree stand, aiming a little bit low wouldn't be a bad idea.
00:36:51
Speaker 3: Do you not take a frontel on a deer with his head down? That's my advice. Yeah, you want to win their heads up.
00:36:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think the Oklahom buck was head up my South. The Coat of Buck last year was head up, are we taking any other funnels that we've killed on Illinois?
00:37:10
Speaker 3: But that was a The thing with the fronnel is it's good to know your range.
00:37:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I shot a deer on this almost frontel in Illinois. But who's it's really like straight down almost because between the.
00:37:27
Speaker 3: Shoulder blades kind of thing. Yeah, we're getting crazy weather alert right now.
00:37:33
Speaker 1: By the way, guys, it's a tornado.
00:37:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's just severe severe weather.
00:37:37
Speaker 1: Some severe tornado storms.
00:37:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be the first podcast inside of Tornado.
00:37:42
Speaker 1: Dude, let's go, Hey, keep it going, keep it going, don't stop in the air.
00:37:50
Speaker 3: Is it best to aim low? Tyler's good to answer to this.
00:37:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we think about it a little bit different. Probably generally speaking, I like to be on the side of Amy Low. Yes.
00:38:05
Speaker 3: Uh.
00:38:05
Speaker 1: But it's something like there's a lot of there's a few things in Whitetai hunting that I think about a lot. Map scouting and finding deer's one. Shooting at deer in the moment of truth is also another. And I think that I spend a lot of time in that, not just wondering, but putting scenarios in front of myself and thinking when I'm watching videos and this, this ruins the entertainment aspect of watching a video. So don't do this if you don't want. There's a lot of yeah, there are, but don't I think I think of like all the time when I'm watching a video, I'm like, where would I shoot at that ord? I aim at that buck? And so I'm always trying to keep my head about myself whenever a deer is coming in and think, you know, like how on edge is it? And at the end of the day, whenever it goes like sometimes it just things happened like in South Dakota last year, Michael, and it's just like you're just hoping that your instincts and whatever you've prepared for has taken over because you kind of do just it's just autopilot in that moment. But sometimes when you get here, it walks in real calm and nice and easy. You know, it makes it easy. So I'd say distance affects that anything anything twenty five and under. If you don't aim low, you are probably okay. Still if you make a good shot, twenty to twenty five starts seal a little bit Harry, deer gonna move. I mean, I've had deer at twenty inch to twenty five that will you know, you'll lose on a deer that's twenty to twenty five if it's not alert, you will still lose two or three inches sometimes on that deer, especially around here. Nameless was twenty three yards quartered away, didn't had no clueer in the world, didn't grunt stop him, and he still jumped two inches before they all got there on a pretty fast moving er. And so I mean they can still do it, but when you get to twenty five, things get really I mean, I'm just like I would rather miss low on a deer that's at thirty four and just miss it completely if it's like alert, and I've had misses. But I think normally my I think normally when my shots connect they're in pretty good spots, normally on broadside deer because of aiming pretty low.
00:40:29
Speaker 3: I think that deer's temperament matters a whole lot, and you need to get good at understanding that. And I'm not going to tell you how to do that. You just need to work on it so much. And also, if a deer this year is a specific thing in that though, if a deer's really run it up, he's like, but I'm not jump the string at all. And I don't mean like in the rut. I don't mean like early November. But if a deer is like had just fought off a buck or is chasing a dough, he might not move an inch no matter how far off he.
00:41:04
Speaker 1: Is Arkansas, the buck truck year. That deer that I called in with the can, he was looking right at us and did not move. Granted I thought he was closer than he was because of foggy range finder, but didn't move. I think one thing that people also should understand is I think, especially from a tree, people don't realize how low the chest cavity on that deer is, you know what I mean. So I think people hit when people lose dear, I think a lot of times because they hit high because of where they were aiming on the deer from an elevated position, plus the deer dropped and you just a lot of times. I think one long at best, you know.
00:41:46
Speaker 3: And I think that now this year I hit an elk low this past season and didn't recover the elk. That video will be out on the media channel sometime soon. But I think in general, if you air low, there's only about like an inch inch and a half down there that's like wound to miss. If you air high, you got, depending on the size of the animal, four or five inches that you can wound the deer before you miss completely. So if you just want to look at it from that on, like a you know, making a good judgment about like how to hit a deer and hopefully be lethal, Aiming low is more lethal than aiming high.
00:42:31
Speaker 1: I mean, bow hunting's risky. Yeah, I mean, wound loss is a thing. Yeah, it is. It's not to say people can't be proficient with it. But I mean, guys, if you don't like the thought of wounding deer. I don't like the thought of wounding deer, But if it bothers you so much, then just use a gun. Yeah, you know what I mean, because they're I mean, part of bow hunting it's fun, is getting close and so you know, that's that's why I like bow hunting. It's also challenging, and to me, I'm just gonna I'm probably just gonna keep shooting until I mess something up and then I'm gonna reevaluate and see if I need to do something different. That's how kind of ow.
00:43:33
Speaker 4: All right, the most affordable what's the most affordable way to go elk hunting? And this person is from East Texas.
00:43:42
Speaker 3: If that helps, well, the most affordable is to look for an over the counter hunt.
00:43:50
Speaker 1: Calik.
00:43:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that the only because there's still some over the counter kalai elk out there available, And that's probably the easy answer.
00:43:59
Speaker 1: And actually elk during the rut and still have a fun hunt. You just don't get to shoot at a ball.
00:44:03
Speaker 3: H Yeah, that's right. Or you could even draw a cow tag for a riffle hunt. And in quite a few states they're you know, guys, cats out of the bag. People value kind of be a little careful how it says they value antlered animals more than they do non antlered animals. It's the way it works. So cowtags are often less expensive because it's usually a a wildlife management tool. When people are taking cows, it's uh, you know, her dynamics. You don't want to like nineteen to one hundred bull cow ratio. You want something higher than that. So a lot of times that's why that's happening. Long story short, Yeah, cowtags are for sure the cheap way angle riffle hunting if you want to kill one.
00:44:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, riffles are fu they are many.
00:44:57
Speaker 3: How to call elk or elk calling sequel ooh sequences. Okay, So I haven't done this in a long time because I've been in different elk hunting situations where you're just chasing bulls and kind of working certain animals. I would say that people get way too in love with the bugle tube. Now I will too the bugle tube, believe me, But I forgive me if I say I have a little bit of experience with it, so I feel confident with it. Going out to some P and J country and just blowing your head off all the time, not knowing where elk are and just just is not a not a great tactic. Right nowadays, I try to not bugle un less already know where an elk is and I'm working a bull. I think that if you want to walk around and do little soft cow mews in little chs, that's probably the best way to call elk. And if your goal is to shoot a elk, you will call in cows and bulls and caves and all kinds of stuff doing that. Now, if you want to do be crazy and call in some satellite bulls, you can do it. And it's a lot of fun. That's how I've killed I killed one of my elk. This way, you just go with a partner and you both go to just doing your best bull olt impersonation and just tearing down the woods, blowing a bugle and you have two different elk sounds going and throwing some cow chirps and mews in there, and do that for like ten minutes, and then do it again for another five minutes, and then stop for a while and just sit for the next hour.
00:46:42
Speaker 4: It's fairly effective. I have an elk hunted a ton, but I think don't underestimate raking. And I feel like that's a that's a thing with white tail too. But like on the last elk hunt raking, I feel like in a couple of different situations which you need somebody to drop back, so you need a couple but it uh it, I mean it pulled a couple elk indurings. Yeah you know it was real angry.
00:47:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it was on that one.
00:47:10
Speaker 1: Well, he was raking, right, over the hill.
00:47:15
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna ask you two questions here because they kind of go together. But one, do you believe killing coyotes lead to the propagation of more coyotes? And two should I be targeting the coyotes on my property? First answer is yes, I do believe it because I've seen the studies that if you kill coyotes don't operate in a.
00:47:42
Speaker 3: How do I say this pg. They don't just all pair off boy and girl and get married and everybody just have kids and be happy. They have uh, hierarchical societies. Societies kind of we word. They have the structure within their packs where there's all only one breeding pair. If you do kill both of those breeding pair, then everything goes hey wire because the structure's not there anymore. That doesn't mean you can't kill one of the other ones. They'd be fine. But you know there's this thing where like, if you do kill the two breeding pair of coyotes, you could end up with a ballooning factor off of that. Now, if you wanna, should you target the coyotes on your property? Is it fun to you to shoot coyotes? If so, shoot some coyotes depends on what your management goals are. I don't think that the take of a single coyote can help UH with like overall predator populations very much, you know, but you know they're some people enjoy shooting them. I kind of like looking at them. But it makes you real sad when I see one with a fawn in its mouth on my true camera. So I didn't mean to take.
00:48:55
Speaker 1: That one over, but I got a lot of coyotes come, yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot to say other than the fact that if you're looking to increase the deer population on a particular property, I think the only way you can have really much bearing on that is to shoot one right when the fawns are hitting the ground. I was about to ask that question, if mean time it right, do you think you're gonna save one or two fawns potentially every time you shoot a kyote.
00:49:18
Speaker 3: Maybe listen, God made them deer real good at the thing they do. So the chances that coyotes are impacting your deer population, I personally feel is low. There are many other factors that you can work harder at to drastically increase your your carrying capacity and your deer herd health instead of hunting coyotes. Now, if you enjoy hunting coyotes, go hunt coyotes. But if you're just like, what can I do best for my deer? Put in water holes, do some some timber management, plan a food plot, all those other things.
00:49:50
Speaker 1: Encourage the government to find a cure to the tick born diseases.
00:49:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love encouraging to go.
00:49:58
Speaker 4: Alright, how long do you have in hot southern climates to get meat on ice so it won't spoil?
00:50:03
Speaker 3: I saw this when I thought this was a good question. It's a good question. I think the answer is not as long as you may think. I don't know. I don't know for sure a concrete answer. Do you have a better mean?
00:50:18
Speaker 1: And everybody thinks different about it? So, I mean, I think I've heard that fifty five degrees is kind of anything under fifty five you got quite a long time.
00:50:33
Speaker 3: So is that guts in?
00:50:36
Speaker 1: I think that's just meat. I think that's just meat guts in? Is that part of the question?
00:50:44
Speaker 3: Now?
00:50:44
Speaker 1: Is it just meat?
00:50:45
Speaker 3: Care? Basically?
00:50:46
Speaker 1: Just think I think if you can get the guts out, that's big guts and.
00:50:51
Speaker 3: Air cool it off, because I mean, animals are running between one hundred and one and ninety eight. So like most of the time, the outside air is cooler than what the animal is. So if you can get that cooling process stored to start in any way, it's good.
00:51:06
Speaker 1: I'd say, just uh, you can only do what you you know, as much as you can do. But if you have to throw meat out, something's gonna eat it, you know the uh.
00:51:19
Speaker 3: I have seen it in some animals of course. Set like the stuff around the hips, that's where you start getting it bad the quickest, it seems. And then around the mouth and nick gotta get that soft. Yeah, y'all, y'all are yo hiens are about getting that esophacus out right.
00:51:36
Speaker 4: Well, we used to be like I bet Minnesota, Wisconsin, like where it's still really cold. Yeah, Like my grandpa when he used to kill a deer, he would literally hang it in his garage, take all the guts out of, all the huesophagus out and all that, and just cut meat off in the winter because it was cold enough to sick.
00:51:56
Speaker 3: Just be fine.
00:51:57
Speaker 1: I love garage free man.
00:51:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't know about that. The person asked for an exact answer. I think that you know, hot summer climents whatever. I don't know what your temperature is. If it's like hot hot ninety degrees, I think that you've got an hour. Let's just say that.
00:52:16
Speaker 1: I'd say to get guts out your sand.
00:52:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean within an hour. You need to fit on find a way cooler thing off. But before you start seeing potential negative impacts of heat.
00:52:28
Speaker 1: I say, I would say direct sun is also just kind of speed that up big time.
00:52:33
Speaker 3: Shade makes a difference.
00:52:34
Speaker 1: Shade is very helpful wind, But yeah, it's not really a great answer to it. I think you just have to take care of as quick as possible. Get it on ice as quick as possible. If you're gonna hunt in the early season, and if it smells bad, then it probably is getting bad.
00:52:52
Speaker 3: Also, having a this is kind silly, right, but a game plan like a if you know that you're hunting hot weather, be ready to kill some thinking hot weather. Don't be surprised by it and be like, oh, I don't know what to do now. I guess we'll throw in the back of the truck and take it up here, up through you know, like, dude, a lot of you get ruined by getting thrown the back of the truck.
00:53:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, the Southern Yeah, I mean you're gonna you're gonna deal with humidity too, So it's yeah, it's a it's not great. Right.
00:53:23
Speaker 3: We went to the Hila. I didn't kill an elk, but we filled two ice just full of ice because we were like four hours away from a store when we're where our trucks are parked. So like the whole idea was like, hey, it's worth the X dollar investment just so we have ice when we come back to the truck, put the meat on.
00:53:46
Speaker 1: Yep.
00:53:47
Speaker 3: Who at the element is killing the first buck this season? M M, I know my answer Tyler. You think maybe you're Eric.
00:53:55
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, that's that's kind of us. I mean you like, I have a couple of the car baby Yeah, I mean sorry, it just says deer, yeah, first buck, buck buck, Okay, yeah, yeah, hope it's me.
00:54:18
Speaker 4: Have you seen this is October question, but we'll get it in. Have you seen scrape activity in the first couple of weeks of October? And is it worth focusing.
00:54:27
Speaker 1: On scrape action first few weeks of October? Remember at t L do you remember we had September scrape action over there?
00:54:35
Speaker 3: One time, Yeah, I do. I don't think it's worth focusing on.
00:54:39
Speaker 1: Man, I feel like we could have killed a deer over there, but we didn't. There was no we didn't go though there was there was daylight camera action over there.
00:54:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was, but I kind of want a little bit. And I also think that maybe it wasn't because of the scrape. I think there was a scrape there because it's a place deer were. So if you think thinking of your aspect of deer, I mean, you killed a deer over a scrape that you referenced earlier. And we watched that on camera like clockwork, retrospectively after he pulled some cards. But like early October, it was an hour after shooting light. Mid October. It was light at the end of shooting light.
00:55:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there was there was some daylight. There was a little bit of that big buck and velvet and stuff. I don't know when I I can't remember when.
00:55:28
Speaker 3: I think the fourteenth there was like a you could have shot a deer in daylight, a big deer. But it's it's again an anomaly my personal opinion, scrapes are awesome at the right time, So don't go in there. Trying to push it too early.
00:55:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's that's a that's probably the best thought there. It's uh, if you can, if you can wait for a cold front in the twenties of October, there's a there's a good thing there, brother, good thing.
00:55:59
Speaker 4: How How the heck do I find the deer once acorns start dropping? There's oaks everywhere in West Kentucky. I saw this question too.
00:56:09
Speaker 1: I don't like hunting oaks. I'll say that. I'm just gonna throw that out there.
00:56:12
Speaker 3: I never killed a deer off oak tree.
00:56:16
Speaker 1: It's I mean, and we don't get a chance to do it the same way Kentucky people get to do it a lot of times. But I and here's here's here's the thing is, we saw that first year, we saw the schu Mart thing happen. We were too late, and then it never happened to it for like five years. And now we've just gotten so busy. I mean, we sometimes prioritize our early season in other states and wherever else, And so I don't know if that's the thing that we could actually kill on or not. Like a pattern, but I don't. I don't like the thought of like I feel like if you have a white oak tree, like an American white oak or whatever they call them, the you know, the normal ones that people have that we don't have. I think that if you have one that deer or key and n on, it's probably on the way to a like agricultural food source. A lot of times not saying all the time, you.
00:57:19
Speaker 3: Know that country better? Is Western Kentucky egg country or is it?
00:57:22
Speaker 4: It's starting to get to agg but I think it's still pretty rocky.
00:57:26
Speaker 3: So one of the things I would think of, at least this question kind of leads my mind down its path, is this person's asking, Hey, in a sea of oaks, how do I find the deer? Like, if there's so much food, what do you do? I think that there's a few things, but the one thing I would do is look for a limited resource elsewhere. Hund Water could be a thing. Cover, it could be a thing, you know, find where they're bedding, and I don't want to go too far down.
00:57:54
Speaker 1: Cover is a good one because in oaks there's not going to be a lot of cover underneath a lot of times, so that's a good one.
00:58:02
Speaker 3: I like that on a lot, and uh, you know, just go if it's bad the bone food source. Go in there and stop around, find what they're doing, and just hunt and deal with the little bit of pressure you put on them.
00:58:14
Speaker 1: You have to put you have to put multiple which I like to do this no matter what, but you have to put other things have to be put together. So if it's the sea of oaks, uh, hunt the saddle, or if it's a sea of oaks, hunt the top. Like on a ridge, there's a lot of times you'll have these finger draws and they all come up kind of to the same level, and deal will travel across those finger draws down the ridge, like put those things together. Or maybe there's a cliff somewhere, you know, hunt the stuff that's on one side or the other the cliff. Maybe it's a flat those other things to eat the.
00:58:48
Speaker 3: This is risky. Still hunt yeah around you know, keep other hunters in mine if you're on public. But if it's uh a lot of oaks and there's not a lot of people around, the last hour of daylight, just kind of move around slowly through that stuff and uh man, you'll be surprised. Once you get on the ground deer and mess around with them, you'll be Michael knows this like you. It's crazy what you can get away with if you move in a smart fashion. Yeah, crazy what you can get away with.
00:59:17
Speaker 1: And Moultrie, our Moultrie cameras that we've been using are like huge part of what some of this because you can learn so much from them, and you can learn what we do most of the time is eliminate stuff. So with a trail camera as much, it's as much about eliminating. So like say, I hang some cameras in that big oak you know area, and all I'm getting is dark pictures. Yeah, and in the big oak areas it's like a boa. But you end up knowing like, Okay, well there's bucks around a hunt, they're just not there in daylight. So you've already eliminated. Like I mean, if it's thirty minutes after date that you can go ahead and eliminate one hundred two hundred yards circle around that spot, you know what I mean. You start to eliminate some pretty good chunks of of ground and then you find you know, go put camera somewhere else, and you've eliminated a lot of the ground real quick.
01:00:17
Speaker 3: Before the next question, I just thought of something that we're supposed to do. There is a new channel on YouTube for me. You're specifically devoted to the podcast and the media networks. You'll find us Wired to Hunt, the Media main show, and some others on White Till Bombs pays a couple of episodes on there.
01:00:37
Speaker 1: Do they really?
01:00:38
Speaker 3: Yeah? With the channel with Yeah, they had no idea.
01:00:42
Speaker 1: Y'all were supposed to do a lot more of those.
01:00:44
Speaker 3: Weren't you. Yeah, No, man, we're gonna we're gonna ramp them back. They're gonna get firedn't really be the white tail bums. I need an I need another bum here, we'd be doing one.
01:00:55
Speaker 1: He'll he'll get here.
01:00:57
Speaker 3: The bum and cupcake in the morning. That's so go check that out if you haven't. Guys, this is actually the last question Collee.
01:01:09
Speaker 4: Finally, all right, how long does it take deer to get used to the fence around feeders?
01:01:17
Speaker 2: Oh?
01:01:17
Speaker 3: I like this? Yeah, you talk defense, So I say within the first evening you put the fence up. Let's just say feeders overall? How long does it take?
01:01:30
Speaker 1: I mean, if you got a corn on the ground, it don't take it. They especially around here. They hungry.
01:01:36
Speaker 3: Mature buck could get weird. But it's pret situational. I would say, if you're concerned about this, get it out preseason, get the fence up preseason right now. Deer wake holmer. Like when they get the antlers off, I mean the not anilers, they get the velvet off, they get skittish, they get aggressive, They just essentially their test allstone ramps up. And what test of strone does to temperaments is it just accentuates whatever the current temperament of an animal is or a human same thing. So like if a deer is a little bit anxious, a deer with a lot of testostro is gonna be a very anxious buck.
01:02:13
Speaker 1: That's why I'm so anxious.
01:02:14
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. Just get them kind of acclimated to whatever you need them acclamate it to in the preseason, and they'll do well with it.
01:02:24
Speaker 1: I think Also if it's a small pin, I think deer you're going to always be a little bit skidis shoven. So the bigger the pen, the more the easier it is. You think about, like I like to think about like if you had a cattle pastures fifty acres, it's got a fence all the way around that there don't. They're not weird being in the middle of that thing, you know what I mean. So at some point there's there's a the pen is big enough, and I've seen I've seen pins that were like built in a triangle and they're like ninety y'all words each way. It's like just big, big pins. You know what's the math on that? From the feeder to the opposite side. There's like probably some fagor in them or something you can do, but it's probably just like forty yards though, from the feeder.
01:03:14
Speaker 3: To the wall. Yeah, right, but that's still that's a big that's a big area.
01:03:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:03:19
Speaker 3: I also think that if you can get away with it, maybe you don't live with there's hogs. Barbed wire is way less intrusive than a cattle panel or you're ground hunting, Yeah for sure, but absolutely if you don't want the pressure, like I think deer like the pin more. If you have hog pressure bad I mean, they get their own exclusive food source. Yeah, it's great for deer if you can put a pin around a feeder in that case. So, yeah, those are our thoughts. We're kind of excited about deer hunt right now. Weird as that sounds. I saw that Tyler alluded to it earlier, but I saw a really nice velvet buck with ay like a three year old. Also, they were in a bachelor group down right next to the road. And it's like a deer that I would love to shoot on my property if I could ever have one.
01:04:07
Speaker 1: Show up like that, just a couple of miles away.
01:04:10
Speaker 3: But I was thinking about it all the way over here. Is like, man, that like it was like my kickoff into being excited about deer. That's kind of cool.
01:04:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty pumped. I mean cause I'm I got a couple of trips and stuff between here and Deer season. It's gonna make it feel like I'm flying. I mean, it's gonna make it feel like Deer Season's here in no time. So kind of kind of really thinking about packing some stuff, getting like ordered, ordering broadheads. I should do that too, stuff like that.
01:04:43
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah that sounds good.
01:04:45
Speaker 1: But anyway, cool, pretty excited about this stuff. I think, what's it, July seventeenth, and I mean in a month, we'll be two weeks out from Deer season opening for a lot of people.
01:05:00
Speaker 3: As exciting times. Man. By the way, I should have mentioned this early in the podcast as well. We're doing an event in Austin. It's going to be sick at Archery Country. Our buddy's down there now. Don't get me wrong, guys, we love our on target archery. Here in Canton, Texas is a long way from there, though. You know, there's good archer shops all around the state. We have friends down there Archery Country as well. We're going to do an event with Jesse Griffiths and the crew there at Archery Country. Jess as a chef. Yes, sorry, I forget that. Not everybody knows Jesse. Jesse is a beard, James Beard, a ward winning chef with a beard, Yeah, with a beard.
01:05:35
Speaker 1: Usually he's been nominated and he's won.
01:05:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's got some sick cookbooks and a really awesome restaurant, and the list goes on and on. Great knives, and he's going to show the general public how he butchers a hog, which I've seen him do, and he, of course is more in depth than what your average bear would be. So I'm excited about it. It's gonna be on a Monday night, is it? The twenty ninth of July. Head over the Archery Country page on Instagram. You can see the the infographic for that stuff. We've shared it on a story I think too, and there'll probably be some more stuff coming out as well leading up to that. But it's gonna be a cool event. We're giving away actually a lot of first light. We asked, hey, can we give away some first light at this at this thing, and they were like, yeah, here's way more than you thought you needed. So, uh, that's gonna be a pretty good thing for some people. I can put the link in the description of this behind the way to go, Yeah, there is a link. Well, I can put the link to the Instagram.
01:06:39
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I got you.
01:06:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a door fee on this thing, because I think it's going to be kind of like a top notch event.
01:06:47
Speaker 1: I mean in there barbecue involved it. I think there's gonna be wild hogs served there. Jesse cooks. Yeah, so so it's it's like, I know, I'm telling you, he's dude. I wish that I could be this way And this is where like, you gotta choose a career, right. I love the fact that I get to deer hunt and that's my career, But if my career was cooking, I would be the way Jesse is. This dude makes everything from scratch like all his sauces. He makes ketch up at his restaurant. He probably makes it at his house like and he does it all like he'll like he'll like source stuff from random people who are just like herbologists or whatever, you know, stuff and it's like everything is not only just tasty and flavorful, but it's also like doesn't have any of the junk that may.
01:07:34
Speaker 3: Go by the way, no seed oil, die do a no seed oils. As of this past winner.
01:07:40
Speaker 1: I think Michael is super excited about Ye.
01:07:43
Speaker 3: No more sunburn that's going.
01:07:47
Speaker 1: So we know what else what We're gonna have a shirt there that nobody has ever been able to buy.
01:07:52
Speaker 3: Yah.
01:07:52
Speaker 1: Lord Willing will have a shirt that's two different shirt offerings and and so those will be available to everybody at some point I think this fall but to select people who come to that event, there will be T shirts there to buy that are really cool. Say what they are? Should we not?
01:08:14
Speaker 3: Let's say it on another one, Okay, but look for Michael and a hula skirt and he'll sell you a T shirt.
01:08:20
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the only guy that we can get to go with us.
01:08:22
Speaker 3: Yea, he's the only got works here.
01:08:24
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if gregor Eric or even.
01:08:27
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that is. Good.
01:08:32
Speaker 1: It's like a hula hoop.
01:08:33
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's a type of gig that people use for bass fishing. Yeah, we don't do that.
01:08:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't dance.
01:08:42
Speaker 3: No, we don't do that.
01:08:43
Speaker 1: You two step? Huh you two step? No, he needs to.
01:08:47
Speaker 3: Dyna wants to teach me.
01:08:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet she does. She gonna lead.
01:08:52
Speaker 3: I'm not answering this question. Just wrap the podcast, you wrap it. No, I's a professional.
01:08:59
Speaker 2: Is your live in it
