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From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, an actually
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live special report. The Daily Show presents Indecision 2024. The
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first presidential debate. America watches through its fingers. With your host,
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Jon Stewart.
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Welcome to The Daily Show.
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My name is Jon Stewart.
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Thank you all so very much for joining us. We
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are coming to you live. We....
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We.
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You may say it. We just watched what you watched.
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We just witnessed a debate between President Joseph Robinette Biden
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versus former President Donald Robinette Trump.
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It was a highly anticipated affair.
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According to the network, That was running it.
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The first Biden-Trump debate a little over one month away
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right here on CNN. We are less than two weeks
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away from the first presidential debate.
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Just one week from today.
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Welcome to the first workday of the most important week
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of the presidential campaign.
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Three days and counting.
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Just two days now.
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About 30 hour, 30-ish hours.
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Just over 24 hours.
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12 and a half hours.
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Say the words.
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It's debate day in America. The candidates must have been
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so excited to know that they haven't missed it. I
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imagine old man Biden opening his window and shouting at the.
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Street below, You there, boy! What day is today? Boy,
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it's debate day, sir. Then there's still time. Prepare the
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debate goose.
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Prior to the event, what did the political class believe
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would be the criteria for for each candidate to be
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successful in the debate.
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First, Donald Trump.
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Trump has to show that he's not going to end democracy.
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Don't respond in a way that the suburban mothers wouldn't like.
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Don't interrupt Joe Biden.
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Don't take the bait. Don't look like a bully.
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Don't get angry.
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Portray normalness.
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Can't you just pretend to be normal for 90 minutes?
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How is that advice for a presidential debate and not
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what you would say to your parents when you bring
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home a date for the first time?
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Can you not talk about January 6th? And please don't
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do your Asian voice. I really like this girl. But
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that's Trump.
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Surely the expectations on President Biden will be higher.
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He absolutely cannot have a senior moment, a physical or
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verbal stumble, him forgetting something.
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Any of his kind of freezing moments, stay alert, to
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stay engaged and to stay awake. President Biden has to
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show that he can stand there for an extended period
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of time.
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Remain upright. Remain upright to be president.
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You know, I may be mistaken, but I believe those
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are the same qualifications needed to be scarecrow. Tonight, the
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president must show the country that he can keep our
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corn safe. But then it was time for the actual debate,
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and let's see how it began. Both men came out and, oh, yes, okay.
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And then, of course, both men are ambulatory. They are
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both upright.
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Level one cleared.
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It's going to be an important discussion between two important men.
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What are the rules?
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We want to share the rules of the debate with
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the audience at home.
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Each candidate will have two minutes to answer a question
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and one minute each for responses and rebuttals.
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What can you do in two minutes? I can't even
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articulate what's wrong with your entire setup to this debate.
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An ad break to watch a.
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Hulu show is three minutes.
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What can you do in two minutes?
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But all right, well, that's going to winnow out anything
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that might be interesting or substance.
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But let's begin.
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We know the bar that's been set up for each
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to pass. Biden has to not look old and not
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have a senior moment.
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Go.
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Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary
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person eligible for what I've been able to do with
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the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have
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to do with.
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Look, if we finally beat Medicare.
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Thank you, President Biden.
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Need to call a real estate agent in New Zealand.
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Okay, a high-pressure situation.
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A lot of times, you can confuse saving Medicare with
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beating it. I'm sure it's not something that repeated throughout
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the debate, causing Democrats across the country to either jump
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out of windows or vomit silently into the nearest recycling bin.
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Anybody can talking. How did Biden do not talking?
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How close the police are to him. Almost every police
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group in the nation from every state. And everybody wanted
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to get it back.
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To the states. Everybody. And China, nothing. And Russia, nothing.
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And India, nothing. I will have that reporter out.
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He should have had him out a long time ago.
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Because I didn't have legislation. I said, close the border.
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We had the safest border in history.
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Not great.
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But a lot of people have resting 25th Amendment face.
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I'm not a political expert.
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But while Biden was preparing at Camp David for a week,
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Did anyone mention he would also be on camera? On
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the split screen? Is there any moment here that can
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save Biden?
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This is the first presidential election since the Supreme Court
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overturned Roe v.
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Wade.
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Oh, shit! We're back, baby! Abortion!
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A to the B to the O to the R
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to the D to the repeal of Roe v.
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Wade. That is Trump's weakest issue. It's been a great thing.
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Oh, he is f * * * ed!
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He is f * * * ed! It's a great thing!
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Hit him, Joey! It's been a terrible thing. What you done?
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It's a terri- This is awesome! We are done here. TKO. No, no, no. Joe, Joe, Joe,
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don't say anything else.
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Joey!
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The idea that states are able to do this is
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a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights
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back to the states, let each state have.
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A different rule.
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Look, there's so many young women who have been, including
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a young woman who just was murdered, and he went
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to the funeral. The idea that she was murdered by
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an immigrant coming in, they talk about that.
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Did you just immigration abortion?
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I know abortion is one of our strongest issues, but
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let me for a moment talk about immigrants killing and
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raping people.
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It's one of the weakest folks.
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I think sportsmanship would insist that an opponent not seize
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on opportunities.
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Such as this.
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There have been many young women murdered by the same
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people he allows to come across our border.
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So how do we do this now? Do I take
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his car back to the White House tonight?
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I mean, come on. We done with this shit? Do
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I just UPS his stuff? I mean, come on.
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That was crazy what he did just now. So Biden,
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perhaps not on top of his game. Maybe I will
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check out this young upstart, Donald Trump. Obviously, the election
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is a binary choice. So let me see what this
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Trump fella is about. As we learned earlier, he just
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had to come in there and not be an asshole.
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He doesn't care about our veterans. He doesn't care.
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He doesn't like the military at all. Probably the worst
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administration in history. The worst presidency in the history of
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our country.
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This shouldn't be a debate.
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He is the worst president. I really don't know what
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he said at the end of that sentence. I don't
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think he knows what he said either.
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He challenged me to a golf match.
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He can't hit a ball 50 yards.
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Does not appear to have passed the asshole test.
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See me after debate.
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All right, Trumper, what do you got on substance?
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We're the greatest economy in the history of our country.
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A lot of credit for the military and no wars
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and so many other things.
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Everything was rocking good.
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But the thing we never got the credit for and
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we should have is getting us out of that COVID mess.
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He allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons,
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jails and mental institutions. The only jobs he created are
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for illegal immigrants. We had the lowest taxes ever. I
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didn't have sex with a porn star.
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She was a porn character actor at best.
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I'm not saying she couldn't open a movie, but....
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So, just so we're all clear, everything that Donald Trump
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said in.
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That clip is a lie.
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Blatant and full. And we were tight on time putting
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this whole * * * * together. There's plenty more.
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Really makes you wonder.
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What's RFK Jr. doing tonight? Maybe he's got something. Wait,
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what's that? I'm sorry. Oh, vaccines. Oh, no, I see.
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That's but yeah, sure. There's side effects to all of them. OK.
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And a worm where? OK, fair enough. He's vice president.
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She'll running. They donated. OK, anyway.
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There was, of course, a moment where I kind of
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thought we were getting substantive.
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I was recently in France for D-Day, and I spoke
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all about those heroes that died. I went to the
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World War II cemetery, World War I cemetery he refused
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to go to. He was standing with his four-star general,
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and he told me, he said, I don't want to
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go in there because there are a bunch of losers
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and suckers. My son was not a loser, was not
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a sucker. You're the sucker.
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You're the loser.
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Shit just got real.
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First of all, that was a made up quote.
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A made up quote, which I think in Trump land
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means that's a real quote. But this is about our
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nation's veterans, foreign policy.
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This is important to Biden. Come on, brother.
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Four-star general standing to your side who was on your
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staff who said you said it, period. We've done more
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for veterans than any president has in American history. The
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only sacred obligation we have as a country is to
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care for our veterans when they come home and their
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families and equip them when they go to war.
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That's what we're doing.
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That's what the VA is doing now. They're doing more
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for veterans than ever before in our history.
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All right. Thank you so much.
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Let's move to the topic of foreign policy.
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Wait, what? Move on? No, we don't move. Stay on
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that topic. Not move on. No, don't go moving on.
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Who came up with these dumb ass and why would
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any of these people agree to them? The one thing
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that we did prove tonight is that the MAGA conspiracy
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theory about Biden's upcoming debate performance was nonsense.
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A little before debate time, he gets a shot.
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In the ass.
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They are giving the president some sort of a stimulant,
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an ADD drug, Adderall, Ritalin.
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New drugs that are out there that are specifically for
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Alzheimer's or Parkinson's.
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A lot of caffeine pills.
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V12.
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Debate Viagra.
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Well, certainly there are drugs that can be used to
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energize a person in that state.
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I apologize for How fast I'm talking now.
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I'm on those drugs.
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Let me just say, after watching tonight's debate.
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Both of these men should be using performance-enhancing drugs.
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I'm sorry.
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Both.
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As much of it as they can get as many
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times a day as their bodies will allow. If performance-enhancing
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drugs will improve their lucidity, their ability to solve problems,
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and in one of the candidates' cases, improve their truthfulness, morality,
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and malignant narcissism.
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Then suppository away. Guess what, everybody?
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They should be taking whatever magical drugs can kick their
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brains into gear, because this ain't Olympic swimming.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Oh, he solved the Middle East, but he was doping.
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So it doesn't count.
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There's going to be an asterisk next to his presidency.
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And by the way, if those drugs don't exist, if
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there aren't actually performance-enhancing drugs for these candidates, I could
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sure imagine use some recreational ones right now because this
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Don't go away. Welcome back to The Daily Show. Now, now.
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My guest tonight, in an incredibly prescient booking by our
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talent people, is a psychotherapist.
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Hmm. Fancy that.
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Best-selling author of Maybe You Should Talk to Someone. And
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dear therapist columnist for The Atlantic, please welcome to the program,
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Lori Gottlieb.
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Please, on the scene.
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Doctor, you're probably wondering why I've called you here tonight.
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Yes.
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Well, my therapist clearly turned off his phone, so.
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I'm sure. Now, are you expecting, as a therapist, on
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occasions like this, they always say, you know, the Super Bowl,
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people get so angry and they're rooting for their teams
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and there's a huge uptick in arguments and violence and
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all kinds of other things. Do you expect something similar
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to be having arguments. I don't know that it's going
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to be domestic violence, but I think there's definitely going
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to be a lot of arguments happening with friends, families, workplaces,
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all of it.
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country is really focused on this and there's really no
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way to escape it, and so whatever schisms are there
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are going to be exacerbated?
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I think they are. And also just because we're so polarized.
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conversations about the issues.
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It doesn't even become about the issues anymore, as we
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just saw.
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Isn't the siloing of the nation keep us from having
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to have those conversations? Because you don't really run into
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those people that you disagree with too much, except on Thanksgiving.
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on social media. And I can understand when we look
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at the rates of anxiety and depression. You know, we
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say in therapy, before diagnosing someone with depression, make sure
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they aren't surrounded by assholes, right?
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So I'm not gonna name who those.
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Assholes might be. Wait, is that really a thing? Like,
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I have depression, and you're like, well.
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Well, sometimes it's like, I understand.
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Look at who drove you here.
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Look at who sent you here, because often the people
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who come to therapy are the people who are coming
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to therapy because the people who should be in therapy
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are not coming to therapy.
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That just blew my mind.
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So people are coming because they feel they don't have
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an outlet for their frustrations, and the only outlet they
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might have, social media, is toxic.
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Well, I think that what you see on social media, again,
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is a lot of this sort of name-calling, and again,
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there's not a lot of nuance, there's not a lot
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of complexity, it's a lot of.
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Just people fighting.
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It was like that golf exchange on the debate. It's
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those kinds of things where people are talking about completely
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irrelevant things, or they're just uninformed.
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And I think that people don't know.
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Uninformed and irrelevant? A presidential debate.
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How do you deal with There is an existential fear
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to this.
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I mean, for social.
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Media to keep people engaged, for news organizations to keep
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people watching, they have to ramp up the urgency and
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the existential nature of the crisis. So you're sort of
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torn between these two impulses.
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One is to.
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Not participate, which would be abdicating civic responsibility. But the
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other would be to bathe yourself in this existential crisis.
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What choice do you have?
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Well, we do have a choice because, so look at anxiety.
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There's productive anxiety and unproductive anxiety.
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What?
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Well, think about it.
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If you didn't have anxiety, you wouldn't be able to
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be safe. That's why we have anxiety.
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It was like, there's a bear. You better have anxiety.
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Unproductive anxiety is, I'm just going to stand here. Productive
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anxiety is, I'm going to do something about this.
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See, that's so weird because my anxiety has never saved
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me from bears. But it often convinces me I'm not lovable.
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So how... I shared too much.
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How do you separate... I didn't want to watch the
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debates tonight, but I do work once a week now,
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so I have to. Because it's toxic to me.
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I know that. I have to participate.
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But how does that anxiety of watching it How is
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that a relic of something.
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That's good for me?
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It's good for you because then you can take action.
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By the way, I hope you're taking action on the
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unlovable thing. I hope you're getting some help with that.
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Little thing called mushrooms, baby. Microdose away.
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But it's helpful because you say, okay, there are two
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ways you can respond to this. You can say, I'm
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going to put my head in the sand and not engage,
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which is, I hope, not the option that people here
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are taking. And you can also say, oh, I'm just
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spinning in anxiety. I'm doom scrolling. I'm just getting all
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worked up. That's not helpful. That's unproductive anxiety. And then
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there's productive anxiety where you say, what can I do? Well,
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you can get involved in a campaign. You can volunteer.
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You can please vote. You can get the people around
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you to vote. There are things that you can do.
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The thing that you want to do is you want
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to say, what can I control here? And that's where
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you take your anxiety and you say, it's going to
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motivate me to do something productive.
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Does sitting in your underwear screaming at the TV count
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as action? No.
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Doc, you're losing me here.
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Have you seen an effect of this on people? relationships,
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on marriages, on families. Is this separating people at a
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much deeper, more emotional level than what we're understanding?
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Yes, absolutely.
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You know, when I see couples in therapy, often when
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they come in, the person, you know, you say, what's
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going on? And the person wants something to change, but
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what they want to change is.
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The other person, the person sitting right there.
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Sure.
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They don't think I want to change myself or I
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have a role in this. And I see that in
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what happens around these political conversations is that people don't say, oh,
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maybe I am not being curious about why they think
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what they think or I'm not really getting to the
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bottom of it and I'm just, you know, we're just
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yelling at each other about this.
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Are you seeing this in married couples where politics has
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driven a wedge to them that they can't overcome?
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Oh, absolutely.
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How do you traverse a political conversation with a couple?
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Well, there's this great phrase in therapy. It's saying, I wonder.
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So it starts with, I wonder.
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I got it.
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I wonder, you know, it's kind of like, you know,
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I wonder if instead of taking another drink, maybe you
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should take a walk when you're feeling sad, right?
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As opposed to.
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Unfortunately, it's a live show. We're out of time. I
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always say, I use that all the time. I wonder
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why you're such an asshole.
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That might usually work.
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Check out Lori's book. Maybe you should talk to someone.
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Her column in The Atlantic. And her deal with all
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of this podcast. I'm sorry we had to watch.
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Lori Gottlieb.
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I'm so sorry. Hey, everybody.
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That is our show for tonight. Here it is. The
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John Berman joins us now from inside the debate hall.
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So, John, how's it working? What's it like?
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Well, 24 hours from now, in a few minutes, Anderson,
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you're going to have a president and a former president
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These lecterns are just eight feet apart. I can basically
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versus former President Donald Robinette Trump.
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It was a highly anticipated affair.
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According to the network, That was running it.
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The first Biden-Trump debate a little over one month away
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right here on CNN. We are less than two weeks
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away from the first presidential debate.
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Just one week from today.
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Welcome to the first workday of the most important week
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of the presidential campaign.
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Three days and counting.
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Just two days now.
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About 30 hour, 30-ish hours.
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Just over 24 hours.
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12 and a half hours.
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Say the words.
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It's debate day in America. The candidates must have been
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so excited to know that they haven't missed it. I
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Street below, You there, boy! What day is today? Boy,
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it's debate day, sir. Then there's still time. Prepare the
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debate goose.
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Prior to the event, what did the political class believe
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would be the criteria for for each candidate to be
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First, Donald Trump.
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Trump has to show that he's not going to end democracy.
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Don't respond in a way that the suburban mothers wouldn't like.
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Don't interrupt Joe Biden.
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Don't take the bait. Don't look like a bully.
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Don't get angry.
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Portray normalness.
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Can't you just pretend to be normal for 90 minutes?
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How is that advice for a presidential debate and not
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what you would say to your parents when you bring
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home a date for the first time?
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Can you not talk about January 6th? And please don't
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do your Asian voice. I really like this girl. But
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that's Trump.
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Surely the expectations on President Biden will be higher.
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He absolutely cannot have a senior moment, a physical or
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stay engaged and to stay awake. President Biden has to
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show that he can stand there for an extended period
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of time.
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Remain upright. Remain upright to be president.
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president must show the country that he can keep our
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corn safe. But then it was time for the actual debate,
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and let's see how it began. Both men came out and, oh, yes, okay.
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Level one cleared.
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It's going to be an important discussion between two important men.
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What are the rules?
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Each candidate will have two minutes to answer a question
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What can you do in two minutes? I can't even
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articulate what's wrong with your entire setup to this debate.
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An ad break to watch a.
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Hulu show is three minutes.
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What can you do in two minutes?
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that might be interesting or substance.
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But let's begin.
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to pass. Biden has to not look old and not
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have a senior moment.
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Go.
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Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary
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person eligible for what I've been able to do with
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the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with everything we have
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to do with.
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Look, if we finally beat Medicare.
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Thank you, President Biden.
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Need to call a real estate agent in New Zealand.
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Okay, a high-pressure situation.
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A lot of times, you can confuse saving Medicare with
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beating it. I'm sure it's not something that repeated throughout
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the debate, causing Democrats across the country to either jump
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out of windows or vomit silently into the nearest recycling bin.
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Anybody can talking. How did Biden do not talking?
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How close the police are to him. Almost every police
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group in the nation from every state. And everybody wanted
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to get it back.
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To the states. Everybody. And China, nothing. And Russia, nothing.
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And India, nothing. I will have that reporter out.
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He should have had him out a long time ago.
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Because I didn't have legislation. I said, close the border.
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We had the safest border in history.
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Not great.
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But a lot of people have resting 25th Amendment face.
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I'm not a political expert.
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But while Biden was preparing at Camp David for a week,
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Did anyone mention he would also be on camera? On
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the split screen? Is there any moment here that can
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save Biden?
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This is the first presidential election since the Supreme Court
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overturned Roe v.
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Wade.
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Oh, shit! We're back, baby! Abortion!
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A to the B to the O to the R
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to the D to the repeal of Roe v.
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Wade. That is Trump's weakest issue. It's been a great thing.
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Oh, he is f * * * ed!
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He is f * * * ed! It's a great thing!
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Hit him, Joey! It's been a terrible thing. What you done?
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It's a terri- This is awesome! We are done here. TKO. No, no, no. Joe, Joe, Joe,
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don't say anything else.
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Joey!
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The idea that states are able to do this is
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a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights
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back to the states, let each state have.
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A different rule.
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Look, there's so many young women who have been, including
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a young woman who just was murdered, and he went
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to the funeral. The idea that she was murdered by
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an immigrant coming in, they talk about that.
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Did you just immigration abortion?
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I know abortion is one of our strongest issues, but
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let me for a moment talk about immigrants killing and
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raping people.
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It's one of the weakest folks.
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I think sportsmanship would insist that an opponent not seize
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on opportunities.
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Such as this.
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There have been many young women murdered by the same
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people he allows to come across our border.
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So how do we do this now? Do I take
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his car back to the White House tonight?
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I mean, come on. We done with this shit? Do
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I just UPS his stuff? I mean, come on.
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That was crazy what he did just now. So Biden,
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perhaps not on top of his game. Maybe I will
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check out this young upstart, Donald Trump. Obviously, the election
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is a binary choice. So let me see what this
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Trump fella is about. As we learned earlier, he just
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had to come in there and not be an asshole.
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He doesn't care about our veterans. He doesn't care.
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He doesn't like the military at all. Probably the worst
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administration in history. The worst presidency in the history of
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our country.
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This shouldn't be a debate.
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He is the worst president. I really don't know what
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he said at the end of that sentence. I don't
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think he knows what he said either.
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He challenged me to a golf match.
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He can't hit a ball 50 yards.
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Does not appear to have passed the asshole test.
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See me after debate.
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All right, Trumper, what do you got on substance?
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We're the greatest economy in the history of our country.
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A lot of credit for the military and no wars
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and so many other things.
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Everything was rocking good.
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But the thing we never got the credit for and
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we should have is getting us out of that COVID mess.
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He allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons,
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jails and mental institutions. The only jobs he created are
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for illegal immigrants. We had the lowest taxes ever. I
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didn't have sex with a porn star.
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She was a porn character actor at best.
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I'm not saying she couldn't open a movie, but....
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So, just so we're all clear, everything that Donald Trump
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said in.
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That clip is a lie.
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Blatant and full. And we were tight on time putting
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this whole * * * * together. There's plenty more.
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Really makes you wonder.
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What's RFK Jr. doing tonight? Maybe he's got something. Wait,
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what's that? I'm sorry. Oh, vaccines. Oh, no, I see.
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That's but yeah, sure. There's side effects to all of them. OK.
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And a worm where? OK, fair enough. He's vice president.
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She'll running. They donated. OK, anyway.
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There was, of course, a moment where I kind of
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thought we were getting substantive.
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I was recently in France for D-Day, and I spoke
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all about those heroes that died. I went to the
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World War II cemetery, World War I cemetery he refused
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to go to. He was standing with his four-star general,
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and he told me, he said, I don't want to
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go in there because there are a bunch of losers
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and suckers. My son was not a loser, was not
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a sucker. You're the sucker.
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You're the loser.
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Shit just got real.
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First of all, that was a made up quote.
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A made up quote, which I think in Trump land
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means that's a real quote. But this is about our
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nation's veterans, foreign policy.
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This is important to Biden. Come on, brother.
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Four-star general standing to your side who was on your
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staff who said you said it, period. We've done more
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for veterans than any president has in American history. The
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only sacred obligation we have as a country is to
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care for our veterans when they come home and their
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families and equip them when they go to war.
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That's what we're doing.
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That's what the VA is doing now. They're doing more
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for veterans than ever before in our history.
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All right. Thank you so much.
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Let's move to the topic of foreign policy.
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Wait, what? Move on? No, we don't move. Stay on
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that topic. Not move on. No, don't go moving on.
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Who came up with these dumb ass and why would
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any of these people agree to them? The one thing
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that we did prove tonight is that the MAGA conspiracy
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theory about Biden's upcoming debate performance was nonsense.
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A little before debate time, he gets a shot.
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In the ass.
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They are giving the president some sort of a stimulant,
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an ADD drug, Adderall, Ritalin.
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New drugs that are out there that are specifically for
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energize a person in that state.
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I apologize for How fast I'm talking now.
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I'm on those drugs.
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Let me just say, after watching tonight's debate.
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Both of these men should be using performance-enhancing drugs.
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I'm sorry.
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As much of it as they can get as many
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times a day as their bodies will allow. If performance-enhancing
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drugs will improve their lucidity, their ability to solve problems,
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and in one of the candidates' cases, improve their truthfulness, morality,
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and malignant narcissism.
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Then suppository away. Guess what, everybody?
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They should be taking whatever magical drugs can kick their
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brains into gear, because this ain't Olympic swimming.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Oh, he solved the Middle East, but he was doping.
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So it doesn't count.
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There's going to be an asterisk next to his presidency.
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there aren't actually performance-enhancing drugs for these candidates, I could
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sure imagine use some recreational ones right now because this
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cannot be real life.
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It just can't. We're America.
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God. When we come back, Lori Gottlieb will be joining us.
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Don't go away. Welcome back to The Daily Show. Now, now.
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My guest tonight, in an incredibly prescient booking by our
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talent people, is a psychotherapist.
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Hmm. Fancy that.
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Best-selling author of Maybe You Should Talk to Someone. And
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dear therapist columnist for The Atlantic, please welcome to the program,
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Lori Gottlieb.
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Please, on the scene.
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Doctor, you're probably wondering why I've called you here tonight.
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Yes.
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Well, my therapist clearly turned off his phone, so.
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I'm sure. Now, are you expecting, as a therapist, on
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occasions like this, they always say, you know, the Super Bowl,
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people get so angry and they're rooting for their teams
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and there's a huge uptick in arguments and violence and
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all kinds of other things. Do you expect something similar
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for an event like this?
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to be having arguments. I don't know that it's going
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to be domestic violence, but I think there's definitely going
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to be a lot of arguments happening with friends, families, workplaces,
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all of it.
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country is really focused on this and there's really no
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way to escape it, and so whatever schisms are there
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are going to be exacerbated?
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I think they are. And also just because we're so polarized.
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conversations about the issues.
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It doesn't even become about the issues anymore, as we
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just saw.
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Isn't the siloing of the nation keep us from having
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to have those conversations? Because you don't really run into
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those people that you disagree with too much, except on Thanksgiving.
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Well, I think you run into them on social media.
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at the rates of anxiety and depression. You know, we
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say in therapy, before diagnosing someone with depression, make sure
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they aren't surrounded by assholes, right?
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So I'm not gonna name who those.
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Assholes might be. Wait, is that really a thing? Like,
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I have depression, and you're like, well.
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Well, sometimes it's like, I understand.
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Look at who drove you here.
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Look at who sent you here, because often the people
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who come to therapy are the people who are coming
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to therapy because the people who should be in therapy
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are not coming to therapy.
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That just blew my mind.
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So people are coming because they feel they don't have
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an outlet for their frustrations, and the only outlet they
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might have, social media, is toxic.
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is a lot of this sort of name-calling, and again,
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there's not a lot of nuance, there's not a lot
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of complexity, it's a lot of.
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It was like that golf exchange on the debate. It's
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those kinds of things where people are talking about completely
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irrelevant things, or they're just uninformed.
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Uninformed and irrelevant? A presidential debate.
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How do you deal with There is an existential fear
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people watching, they have to ramp up the urgency and
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the existential nature of the crisis. So you're sort of
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torn between these two impulses.
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One is to.
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Not participate, which would be abdicating civic responsibility. But the
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other would be to bathe yourself in this existential crisis.
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What choice do you have?
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Well, we do have a choice because, so look at anxiety.
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There's productive anxiety and unproductive anxiety.
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What?
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Well, think about it.
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If you didn't have anxiety, you wouldn't be able to
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be safe. That's why we have anxiety.
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It was like, there's a bear. You better have anxiety.
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Unproductive anxiety is, I'm just going to stand here. Productive
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anxiety is, I'm going to do something about this.
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See, that's so weird because my anxiety has never saved
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me from bears. But it often convinces me I'm not lovable.
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So how... I shared too much.
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How do you separate... I didn't want to watch the
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debates tonight, but I do work once a week now,
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so I have to. Because it's toxic to me.
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I know that. I have to participate.
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But how does that anxiety of watching it How is
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that a relic of something.
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That's good for me?
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It's good for you because then you can take action.
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By the way, I hope you're taking action on the
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unlovable thing. I hope you're getting some help with that.
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Little thing called mushrooms, baby. Microdose away.
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But it's helpful because you say, okay, there are two
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ways you can respond to this. You can say, I'm
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going to put my head in the sand and not engage,
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which is, I hope, not the option that people here
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are taking. And you can also say, oh, I'm just
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spinning in anxiety. I'm doom scrolling. I'm just getting all
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worked up. That's not helpful. That's unproductive anxiety. And then
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there's productive anxiety where you say, what can I do? Well,
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you can get involved in a campaign. You can volunteer.
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You can please vote. You can get the people around
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you to vote. There are things that you can do.
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The thing that you want to do is you want
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to say, what can I control here? And that's where
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you take your anxiety and you say, it's going to
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motivate me to do something productive.
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Does sitting in your underwear screaming at the TV count
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as action? No.
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Doc, you're losing me here.
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Have you seen an effect of this on people? relationships,
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on marriages, on families. Is this separating people at a
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much deeper, more emotional level than what we're understanding?
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Yes, absolutely.
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You know, when I see couples in therapy, often when
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they come in, the person, you know, you say, what's
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going on? And the person wants something to change, but
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what they want to change is.
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The other person, the person sitting right there.
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Sure.
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They don't think I want to change myself or I
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have a role in this. And I see that in
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what happens around these political conversations is that people don't say, oh,
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maybe I am not being curious about why they think
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what they think or I'm not really getting to the
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bottom of it and I'm just, you know, we're just
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yelling at each other about this.
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Are you seeing this in married couples where politics has
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driven a wedge to them that they can't overcome?
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Oh, absolutely.
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How do you traverse a political conversation with a couple?
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Yeah.
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Well, there's this great phrase in therapy. It's saying, I wonder.
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So it starts with, I wonder.
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I got it.
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I wonder, you know, it's kind of like, you know,
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I wonder if instead of taking another drink, maybe you
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should take a walk when you're feeling sad, right?
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As opposed to.
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Unfortunately, it's a live show. We're out of time. I
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always say, I use that all the time. I wonder
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why you're such an asshole.
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That might usually work.
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Check out Lori's book. Maybe you should talk to someone.
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Her column in The Atlantic. And her deal with all
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of this podcast. I'm sorry we had to watch.
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Lori Gottlieb.
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I'm so sorry. Hey, everybody.
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That is our show for tonight. Here it is. The
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moment is ours.
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John Berman joins us now from inside the debate hall.
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So, John, how's it working? What's it like?
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Well, 24 hours from now, in a few minutes, Anderson,
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you're going to have a president and a former president
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standing on the same stage pretty close to each other.
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These lecterns are just eight feet apart. I can basically
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touch them at the same time with my arms out.
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