Swing Thoughts 319 for May 29, 2026

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Oh yeah, that's what we say around here. Now, bring
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on the funk baby, and welcome once again to another
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episode of Swing Thoughts. What a pleasure to have an
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opportunity to Uh what do you call this, Coach Tim?
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Is Is it a fellowship? Is it a are we
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having fellowship? We do? What do you do? You do fellowship?
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Do you have to create fellowship?
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You you immerse yourself in it, you luxuriate in it,
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you you have a ring of it.
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Well, whatever it is, we're happy to have a group
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of people that are like minded or are looking to
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level up their mental game. It's a golf spiritual leader
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along with coach Tim and now for the past decade plus,
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we've been having we hope interesting conversations about this weird
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aspect of life known as golf and the vagaries and
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the ups and downs of this game. And as always,
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we're really thrilled to be brought to you by Taylor
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made Qi four D Drivers. You know, Timmy, I wanted
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to do this. Uh this billboard today kind of been
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my best nance sort of slash broadcaster because sometimes when
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I'm talking, I don't think people are I don't put
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on like a broadcaster voice.
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You know you didn't start with Hello friends.
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Well I'm gonna do this today. But I'm gonna do
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this is this is my best broadcaster. Should I start
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with hello friends?
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But I would be a perfect transition for you just
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to drop right.
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Hello friends. Hello. This episode of Swing Thoughts is brought
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to you by Taylor made q I for dy Drivers,
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their fastest, most fittable drivers. Yet it's time to find
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your new fest. Could you imagine you imagine if I
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was like you introduced me to one of your friends.
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You were like, Hey, this is my buddy Howard. Hello friends, Hello,
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friend of Hello, friend of Tims. You know there are
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guys I worked with in radio years ago that literally
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walked around going hey, yeah you do and I'm skip Kimna.
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And some guys just live in this part of their voice.
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But I totally get it.
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Yeah, you kind of met at a club or something,
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and here's my buddy, he's a broadcaster, and you go,
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how's it going.
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In a world? In a world front with that's what
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we should call it. Golf is a horror movie. This Friday,
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you will be amazed at golf. Anyway, We're happy to
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I just want to say off the top. It's the
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first time. On Monday. I was playing in a tournament Monday, Tuesday,
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and Wednesday of this week. But I was playing on
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Monday and after the round, Tim had asked me to
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record something, and I had our friend Ken Osborne with
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us with me, and I asked him to do it,
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and we're going to meet him in a second, and
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I said, hey, could you just record this thing for Tim?
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And then we go to the part of the range
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I wanted to get away from the main part of
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the range of Blue Springs, and there was Tim O'Connor.
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Did you see feel Was it apparent the love and
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affection that your buddies have for you?
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I was a wash in it, and I had the
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hugs to prove it.
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Yeah, it was awesome.
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Good to see you guys, Good to see you non
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pixelated people, real people.
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I gave Tim a hug because I haven't seen Tim
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since the winter, and I was hig hugged him, and
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then there was like there's always a moment in the
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bro hug, you know, universe, where you're supposed to let go.
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I like to hold way past that moment where it
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gets a bit uncomfortable. And I said to Tim I
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said to Tim, hold me, don't let me go anyway.
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Yeah, it's good to see you, and I just wanted
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to say that speaking of I don't know, we all
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have favorite words that we like. Like recently, we've been
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doing a lot of hearkening.
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On this side. I love a good hearken.
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And also we've had some vagaries, and you managed to
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work vagaries into your little testimonial for me.
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Well recorded right now. I mean, I'm a wash as
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you said in the Monday hearken Back to the Hug,
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it was great and it was great seeing you in person.
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I guess we should get Kent involved here because he's
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our guest today. I wouldn't even say a guest anymore.
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Friend of show, regular contributor. He's the author of several
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books about this bizarre game. We all met because of
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a book called Scratch Attitude. That's his first and his
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second on playing golf is going to come out in
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a couple of weeks, and we're going to get Kent
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back to to talk about that. Welcome back, Ken Osborne,
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Good morning lads. Well, we spent a lot of time
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together this week. Monday and Tuesday we were playing in
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something called the clubbling shootout not to you know, I
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guess we have to say it former champions of this event.
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Yeah, well, let's heart back to that.
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That's right. Yeah, it's it was a couple of years ago,
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but in our minds it seems like only yesterday. People
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may remember last year when we were trying to defend
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our title. We ended up making two double bogies in
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the scramble portion of the We had a nine hole
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scramble on the first in a nine hole alternate shot,
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and then yeah, last year we made two double We
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went back to back doubles. We radically improve this year. Yes,
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we did well. Yeah, we got to that hole, we
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got to the double bogie hole, and we were a
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little bit shaky. In fact, I think ko there had
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to sink. Well, it was a pretty good size pot,
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like it was a good ten foot eight foot pot
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to avoid a double bogie for.
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Our for our Blue Springs listeners. That was that's number six,
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Is that correct? No, it was seven six. We parted seven.
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Down the thing and we both hid mediocre drives and
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we were under a tree too. We shipped out into
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a bunker and where we remained for several shots, and
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then we finally got it out of the bunker, and
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then the ko man sank a nice windy nine footer
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to save the double, so we made bogey in a screen.
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We still made a bogie and a scramble. Yeah, yeah,
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what can you do? Well?
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Thanks for confirming your humanity.
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So what I wanted to get to today, you know,
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and we all three of us talked so much away
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from this podcast that it's hard sometimes to keep it
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all straight. But I thought, you know, here's a nice
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conversation starter. I thought we would begin because I came
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across this. I'm not sure if this kid was a
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D one player or not, but for a young man,
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it's got a pretty cool handle on the vagaries. But
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actually a different vword, not the one you guys are thinking.
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I'm calmed down, Okay, I know you've been married a
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long time, so so so, not that vword, but the
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word variance. And when it comes to golfers in their handicaps,
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sometimes I think, you know, I know, as a better player,
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and I'm sure you've had this experience you too, where
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you know, when someone asks you your handicap, especially when
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it gets down to lower single digits or scratch, and
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I you know can't. And I've been scratched close to scratch,
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you know, hovered around scratch most of last summer. But
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you know, when somebody asks you your handicap, sometimes I'm
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a bit shy to say it because, especially you're about
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to play, because you never know, because most people think
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if you're a scratch golfer or a low single digit player,
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you're going to shoot that every day you play. So
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have a listen to this clip from his kid and
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he's a plus four. I think you'll find this interesting.
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I think one of my favorite questions that I get
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asked by people if they find out that I'm a
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plus three or plus four or plus five, a D
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one golfer, whatever it was, is when people ask like, oh, okay,
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so what do you shoot?
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My brother? What day? How hard's the wind blowing? Where
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am I playing?
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I have so many different versions of myself that could
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show up on any given day.
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You have no idea.
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Every time I get asked this question, my head spins.
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I'm like, I don't know how in depth or how
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far down this rabbit hole I want to go. Normally
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I'll just give a past win, so like, oh, you know,
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like around even par, maybe just under par, whatever it is.
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But in my mind, I'm always thinking, like, dude, you
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have no idea the complexity of the question you just
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asked me. Have rounds in me that'll make you a
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question why I'm not on tour, and I'll have rounds
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on me where you'll question how I could possibly have
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the handicap that I do. In golf, I have found
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that I am always one day away from a catastrophically
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horrible round and a record break amazing round.
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Who knows.
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Let's just go play around and we'll see who we
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get today.
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I love that. Let's go play around and see who
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we get today. What does that land with you? Two?
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Well, first off, I want to know who is that
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very articulate young man.
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I have no idea. Just came across him on my
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feet and I just thought, you know this is it's
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just a smart kid talking, pretty young kid too, like
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early twenties.
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Yeah, well, if his golf doesn't work out, he has
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a future perhaps in broadcasting. He's he's dead on man.
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You just never know. It's like the old Forest Gump
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box of chocolates thing. You just even on a perfect day,
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let's say no wind and you know, you're playing with
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you know, playing in your tournament with some people you know,
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and everything's great, you're defending champ. You could still mess
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the bed up. As they say, it's just what happens.
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We just don't know what we're gonna pull out of
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ourselves for any given day. I mean, you can even
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see it. Almost every week on the PGA Tour. Somebody
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will shoot say a sixty five or sixty six, and
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the next day they shoot seventy five and they're down
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the road. It's just the vagaries of the game. Kent,
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What do you what's your take on it?
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I think my handicap is full of shit in the
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sense that you know, three quarters of the time I'm
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not going to shoot that number absolutely, you know. So
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I look at my I look at my average like
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this year right now, if you went on golf candidate
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and see I'm playing two a three, But the reality
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is that I haven't broken seventy eight this year. So
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if you're if you're a three handicap, your average score
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is going to be seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy nine.
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So you know, for me, don't I don't like to
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think in terms of handicap. I mean you have to
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have one because you know, to compete at your club
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and all that kind of stuff.
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But well, what I liked about it has little essay
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there is. Let's see what we get today. Isn't just
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about the handicap. I mean, we have a handicap in golf,
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as you say, because you know the way, you know
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the way that tennis clubs have a ranking so that
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players of you know, different levels can can play together.
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That's what golf is. But the handicap system in golf
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is about your potential.
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You know what. The question that the young man is asked,
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what that speaks to is what we all do. We
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all have expectations. So someone has a plus handicap, like
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automatically you think, wow, this kid's shoots sixty eight, falling
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out of bed. But that's not what happens, is Kent
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as Kent nicely articulated about being a three in the
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scoresy shooting. So the better approach, I think always is
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rather than having expectations, because that leads to judgment whether
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I'm meeting them or not. You know, I have a
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certain stand. If I'm meeting them, then I then things
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are kind of okay, and then I make a couple
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of bad swings and now I'm disappointed. Oh my god,
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up and down. So I love the young man's approach
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of let's just see what happens today. I just love that,
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and really almost you could almost bring that down to
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every shot. I'm going to go through my process. I'm
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going to do my best and give my best effort,
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and whatever happens happens because I cannot control the result.
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I like that too.
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Well, thank you. Could you give me your two cents
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on it? I mean, this is your turn to talk.
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Yeah, I just want to point out ken when when
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we're not talking, where we're kind of hoping that you
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might all right, fair.
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Enough, Well, I have this little system that I use,
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and the little system is like it's it's it's an arc.
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And you know, on the far left, I put my
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the best number I shot, you know, like like say
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par and on the far right, I put a high
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number like eighty eight, eighty nine, and they cut it
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in the middle because I've got a basically an eighteen
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shot swing on my efforts on my golf course, and
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right up the middle right now is seventy nine. And
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I break those into four quarters and I identify, okay,
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what's a great round, what's a good round, what's an
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okay round, what's a bad round? Because one of the
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things I don't want to do with a round or
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with a shot is I don't want to actually have
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a good round and come off the golf course framing
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it like I've had a bad round.
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I mean, I'm playing later today.
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So the reality is, if I shoot seventy eight, seventy nine,
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I've had a really good round with the way I'm
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playing lately. If I shoot eighty one eighty two, I've
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had an okay round. I don't want to frame that
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as if you know, like the sky is falling eighty one.
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Neither do I want to hit what is you know,
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we've talked about this before.
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The idea that you have to have.
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You know, it's wise to know you can't feel good
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on the golf course. You literally can't feel good on
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the golf course if you don't have a sense of
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what a good shot is for you.
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Well, that's I was going to say that you don't
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because that's something that I've that's a drum that I've
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been beating for a long time, which is what keeps people,
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you know, what keeps the internal thermostat at neutral for
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me at least, and I think it works for a
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lot of other people, especially if you're into strategy, which is,
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if you don't know what a good shot is, how
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will you ever know if you've hit it. I've used
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this example a million times. If you're one hundred and
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fifty yards away from the green on the PGA too,
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or your proximity average is somewhere around twenty something feet
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twenty two five, let's say it's twenty five feet. So
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for us, you know, amateur nerds, if we're one fifty
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out and we hit it to forty feet and go,
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you know, you see people go, oh shit, And I'm like, dude,
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at your handicap level hitting the green from one fifty
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anywhere on the green. And for better players, maybe you
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tugged it slightly and your thirty five feet, but you're
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just off the green pin high. That's still proximity wise
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a good shot. So I mean that example of you know,
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let's see what we get today is from as you
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pointed out to him, from a shot to the to
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the result of your round. You just never know. But
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your if your expectations get in the way, then you
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will leave feeling less than pleased.
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The way I think, the way I think about expectations
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is that it's having an expectation isn't a problem. It's
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it's when the expectation isn't conscious. You have to put
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it out there in front of you and be aware
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of it. So, for example, one hundred and fifty yards out,
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you know what, I can hit it to five feet
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maybe once a month if I play thirty, if I
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play thirty rounds, you know what I mean. Like, it's
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it's going to happen occasionally, but it's not going to
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happen all the time.
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So you have to put that.
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Expectation right in front of you and be clear about it.
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To me, what I say to myself is self, if
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I'm one hundred and fifty yards out, if I have
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a putt anywhere on the green, I've hit a good.
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Shot, Yeah, And I want to feel good about it.
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That's the key.
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Like I want to feel good about my golf. I
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want to feel good on the golf course.
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I want to enjoy myself.
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And you know that's that's a big part of it now, man,
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And that's what I'm saying, like, and knowledge is power,
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awareness is curative, all those things, and if you're aware
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whether you have a system or not. I'm going to
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talk in a second after Tim comments about something I
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heard Carl talking about another friend of the show about.
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But what we're all saying is knowing where you're at,
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whether it's your handicap or your average score or what
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a good shot is is all part of enjoying the game.
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More so, you don't beat yourself up over some weird
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expectation that you built up. Timmy, you know, I think
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what you're both talking about is i'll say conscious awareness
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and perspective.
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Yes, maybe the same damn thing. But I love camp
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where you're talking about your little system there. That's really
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cool because I think we've all golfers of you know,
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intermediate levels who've played pretty well. There's such a difference
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between seventy nine and eighty and and you know, so
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let's say you missed like a four foot to save
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par something on the eighteenth hole and you shoot eighty. Well,
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I've had the experience many times where I walked off
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the golf course and then trudged to my car and
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head home. You know, radio you know, radio silence, sulking,
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because it was just you know, the game went into
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the dumber. But you know, if we take perspective, I
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mean we look at it like, Okay, I'm standing in
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front of my house. I just see my house. And
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then I'm in say a plane, and I'm going across.
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I can see my house and all the houses. So
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I have a much clearer version of everything, and I
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can hold it in balance. And that's why respective and
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conscious awareness are so massive in this game, so that
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we kind of think, Okay, okay, what's going on here today?
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What am I feeling? Do I have any expectations? Can
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I let them go? Because otherwise you just ride that
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emotional roller coaster and you know, you make eighty and
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you drive home sulking.
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By the way, to me, boys, you don't love golf
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unless you love all of it.
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Yeah that's right.
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Yeah, me, Me loving golf isn't well, you know, I
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love golf. When I shoot seventy three, well you know what,
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that's going to happen occasionally, and I'm also going to
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shoot eighty five, eighty six.
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You got to love all of it. You got to
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love all of it. Your conscious choice to be there well,
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And I quote you often about you know, who do
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we play with this? I'll be honest. At my age,
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I've played four rounds in three days with three different
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groups of people, a couple of different partners, and so
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some stuff will bleed into But we played with somebody,
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I think it was you and I kent with a
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first round on Monday who was getting who is a
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very very good player, but he was getting almost like
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we're we're only a couple holes into the round and
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this guy was already in disappointment mode and me almost immediately.
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And when you're playing with and listen, it's not easy
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playing with two gurus.
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It's not He hit a few he hit a few
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shots that ended up great that he was pissing and
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moaning about, well, the.
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Balls in the air. And by the way, pissing the
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money is a great expression because we all know golfers,
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we all and I know another golfer who's a plus
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one golfer who literally sounds like he's never hit a
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good shot, because it's it's like we, in fact, we
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make fun of how much noise he makes after what
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he seems like a mishit to him, and it's two
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hundred and eighty yards down the right side of the fairway.
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But this guy on Monday, this guy on Monday, and I,
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you know, you're playing with Kent and I, so we
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noticed right away that he was pissing and moaning over
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almost every shot, and needlessly so. And it's it's weird
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when you get to be our range and not know
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that not know that that there are just as you
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were pointing out, there's different categories of scores, there's different
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categories of shots, and if you don't have some perspective
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and some pre awareness, you're just gonna be miserable. And
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you're gonna ride, as Tim said, like you're gonna ride
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the roller coaster of emotions good bad, score, good shot, bad,
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good bad, and it's just it's tedious and.
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Well, going back to what Kent said, if you love golf,
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you have to love all of that, and loving all
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of it is you're gonna have days where the weather
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ain't so great and then have days where it's amazing
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and both are okay, and you're gonna play with different
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kinds of people. And the idea to me is, let's
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be a good partner. Let's listen to someone's stories. Yeah,
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maybe they talk too much, which I know about, and
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or or just it's just being a good person to
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be with and and that way whenever, if we accept
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all of it, then the game can be that much
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more enjoyable in all of its complexity and all of
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its beauty.
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So one of the.
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Things I like to say is never ever should on yourself.
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Oh there you go. Well, you're on the golf course.
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And you know, I saw something the other the other
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day about like this guy was talking about how if
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you're waking up at three or four o'clock in the morning,
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you likely have a cortisol problem.
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You got too much cortisol in your system.
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And look, I'm a doctor, but it seems to me
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that if you're in that state where you're calling yourself
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an idiot or you're pissing and warning you're there's a
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slow level cortisol drip in your system. So you know,
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to actually spend time and money to be on the
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golf course and to be over the course of a.
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Number of wrecking your well being. Yeah, I mean, it's
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it's crazy when you think about it. Well, the science
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behind it, because you know, again I've joked and I've
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talked on the show for a decade that the worst
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golfer in terms of all the bad habits a golfer
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can have, that I ever met was me. But some
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of the science behind what you just mentioned in terms
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of cortisols spiking, and this is one of the things.
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Probably five or six years ago, Timmy and I talked
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to somebody and it came up in conversation that when
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I was getting mad slamming clubs and you know, very demonstrative,
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we way past pissing and moaning, getting really viscerally IPAs
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if you hadn't seen me, you couldn't see pissing and
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moaning from where I would piss and moan just to
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get ready, get ready for the fight. And then we
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had this conversation years ago on the show about how
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scientifically what happens is when you get angry on the
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golf course, for most people, it takes between ninety seconds
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and three minutes for that cortisol to start to recede.
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And that's why a lot of times people will have
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a bad hole and then another bad one and another
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bad one, and it takes a few holes to calm
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their systems down. And that made a big difference for me,
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I thought, Okay, if I want to be a good
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tournament player, I'm doing myself harm. Not just because I
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fucking sound like an asshole screaming about a golf shot,
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but because physically it was getting in the way of
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me moving forward, which is why we talk a lot
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about in the world of scratch attitude and you know,
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swing thoughts that you know, there's only two responses to
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a golf shot. It's either neutral or positive. And I
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played seventy two holes of tournament golf in the last
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three days. I hit a lot of very poor shots,
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we'll call it. But my reaction, and I said this
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to Kent, it's like any other practice I have practiced
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my reactions to poor shots, so now that they're instinctive,
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but they weren't initially. I had to sort of, you know,
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I had to really think about not getting pissed off
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and because of what I just said, because I didn't
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want it to get in the way of me advancing.
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Yeah.
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Interesting, So a lot of stuff you guys are talking about.
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You mentioned the word science. It's like it's logical. I mean,
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if I going to play golf, it's absolutely logical that
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I'm going to enjoy all of it and accepting bad
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shots is definitely a part of it. But as humans
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were really anything but logical at an instinctual level, things
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happened retilian brain all this stuff. You know, I launched it.
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You know, yesterday I played and coached him. Didn't have
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a great day yesterday playing And there was a couple
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of times in which the driver went bang, you know,
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on the t deck, but you know, companied by the
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F word. But so I reacted instinctively. I didn't go
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into like a pissing and moaning hissy fit. But what
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I'm talking about here is that aware conscious awareness thing
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is what happens to me on the on the golf
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course in certain situations. That's where I need this awareness, Like,
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oh there I go again. I've been doing this since
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I was three years old. Things don't go my way,
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I start to tighten up. I look for this is me,
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this is what I tend to do. I tend to
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look for solutions to things. I want to control my world.
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Why because historically that behavior has kept me safe, but
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it hasn't allowed me to say, be free in the
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way I speak free, the way I want to play
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golf to swing a golf club, so that awareness helps
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me to respond better when I hit a drive into
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the farmers field.
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I mean, for me, look, I want to you know
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this this might sound, I don't know how it sounds,
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but I want to be like a kid throwing a
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frisbee to a dog on a beach.
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You know, I just want to enjoy it.
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And if I throw the thing sideways occasionally I.
494
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Throw yeah, And you know, I'm we're all again. This
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this soup that we're making, it's all, you know, all
496
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the ingredients are similar, and there's different ways of saying it.
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And you know, one of our friends, Carl Morris, I
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happened to listen to a recent podcast of his, and
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I think we've had him explain this before, but it's
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such a simple, you know, way of maybe a nice
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takeaway today for some perspective. Like we we talked a
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little bit about Kent system of we know you're we
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all have sort of four different versions of the golf
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scores that can show up from good to you know,
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not so good. But there's that in every golf shot.
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So Carl has this system of just of giving the
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shot some perspective and it's a really nice way of
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looking at it. One being a good shot, so you
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had a shot, and rather than it all being shitty
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or not shitty, it's one is a good shot, a
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good two is good enough, and three is poor. And
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so you look back at around you think. You know,
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Sometimes for me at least, I'll think, ah, you know,
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I didn't really feel like I played that well today,
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And then I look back and I think, oh, wait
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a second, you know that was a one, that was
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a two that was good enough. Rather than thinking oh,
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I've missed the fair way and thinking of it as
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a poor shot. No, it's good enough because I can
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still advance the ball forward. And it's just a nice
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way of kind of giving your brain a place to
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go versus everything being black and white, good, bad, pass
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or fail. What do you think of that?
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I like it and that actually I've been thinking and
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talking to clients lately about the whole idea of assessment,
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which a good friend, Dick Zokol, talks about. And what
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I think, that's what you're talking about, is assessing what
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happened and assessing it from a When we're doing that,
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we're not necessarily operating from a place of say emotion.
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Being emotional, when we're trying to assess something, we tend
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to be kind of more a little bit left brain
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what's going on here? And so as you've said, Howard,
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you kind of lower the thermostat on the emotional part
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of it, and then we can start to see what
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happened there, and then we can discern, I say, we
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can look at the particulars a little bit more and
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see what actually happened there versus having an emotional reaction.
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You can't learn from.
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Well, here's something, here's something that popped in my hand.
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I'm going to take you back to the early.
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Stages of my career, I think, quote unquote career.
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You have some background music, however, you can play it there.
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You know I could, but I'm just I'm just too
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rivetted to know where this is going. Yeah.
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So anyway, there was there's a hole at our as
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of course, and I think it was probably three years
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before I made part there. And I remember the first
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time I parted that hole, it was about a say,
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a four hundred and twenty yard par four. I rolled
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it off the tee about forty yards in front.
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Of me, that's right.
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And ever since that, like There's been so many moments
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where I've where I've made, you know, great recovery shots
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or made a part and felt great. And if I
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hadn't hit that absolute shit shot to start with, ye,
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then I wouldn't.
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Have had that experience. I you know, I couldn't agree
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with you more there. You know there was a bunker
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shot that I hit? Was it with you?
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Yeah?
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Well you sure hit you sure hit a hell of
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a bunker shot when we were playing together.
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Yeah, when we were there was one where you sort
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of short sighted me. I think it was an alternate shot,
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and I as soon as you hit in the it
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was like, you know, it's not the most ideal place,
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but I was like excited physically and kind of going on,
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I've got this shot. I'm kind of excited about hitting
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this shot because you know, I'm if every shot you
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hitting golf was good in the fair way you're on
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the green, it wouldn't be the same vibe. But for
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some reason human beings, Tim, why do we want to
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avoid those situations whereas you know, can't just point out
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it can produce the most incredible experiences.
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Yeah, exactly. I mean Fred Schumaker was on the show,
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I don't know, three four weeks ago, and he said that,
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you know what if you sort of dribbled one off
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the tee, but you knew, you knew that would be
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the best round you ever had, because you just never
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know what is going to happen. But the people who
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I think are a joy to play with but also
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tend to play well are those people who miss fortune happens.
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They're gonna hit bad shots and whatnot, but they just
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have this attitude of Okay, oh that just happened, and
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I'm just gonna go deal with it. And I remember
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Bob Rotella is talking about chip Beck back in the day,
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and he said chip Beck was like the most optimistic
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person you ever met. It might be thunder and lightning out,
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how you doing, Oh great day? Kind of like Kevin
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Thistle if you remember Kevin Thistle. But anyways, Rotella said
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that chip Beck would hit in the woods and then
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you'd go, Okay, how do we make.
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Bernie from here?
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I mean, it's just such a better attitude to have
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rather than kind of a default, Oh I hit it
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in the woods. Therefore my swing's not in the slot
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today and it's going to be you know, misery and
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whoa all fucking day.
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Well, I'm playing golf in a couple of hours, and
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what are the chances of me going on a golf
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course and not hitting what Carl Morris would call a
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number three shot?
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Zero? None, none, a lot of chance.
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So I either choose to you know, either I'm going
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to go to the golf course with this, with this
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fantasy that everything is going to be ones and twos, yeah,
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or I go to the golf course with as a
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as an optimistic realist, saying to myself, you know, whats elf,
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there's going to be one, twos and threes. I hope
610
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there's fewer threes than there are ones, right, But I'm
611
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choosing to play golf to that.
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I've said this now a thousand times. People human beings,
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for some reason thing today's the day that nothing bad
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is going to happen in their lives. What I don't
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mean bad like tragic. I'm talking about he didn't get
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the light, if somebody cut you off, somebody, you know,
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and golf is like that. We have this that word
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you use, We have golfers have this fantasy that today's
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the day nothing is going to show up but ones
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and twos and The funny thing is like I'm you know,
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I played golf on the second round, Ken, and I
622
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with a guy that used to be at Glenn Caron
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who years ago left. Well, he didn't play, I didn't
624
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play very much with him. But my my, my demeanor
625
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as a golfer would be unrecognizable to him because I
626
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:11.640
only have two reactions. I have zero reaction to bad shots. Yeah,
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once in a while I'll get frustrated because it's like,
628
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come on, golf, but my my baseline reaction. You've played
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enough golf with me, Ken, you know, like we get
630
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excited over funny fun shots. But you know, both of
631
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us hit some bad shots and it's just like, hey,
632
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no worries, let's let's go get the next one. Well,
633
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you know it was.
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Really great though we were playing uh, you know, good
635
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to okay golf, both of us kind of average ish,
636
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but when we hit a great shot, we really enjoyed it.
637
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Well, that's a great segue because we really do like that.
638
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.000
You know, we really do get excited over good shots. Probably,
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you know, probably the men that we play with are
640
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a little bit because not because you know what men
641
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are like, men get are very comfortable expressing anger not
642
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as comfortable express saying joy. And what is the word
643
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a bulliant? A bulliant? Like, oh, that's a big word.
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That's a good one. But the best I ever saw bulls.
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Okay, I mean there's that's a big one. I'll have
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to look that one. And I'm a word guy. The
647
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best I ever saw or experienced in terms of completely
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going a one to eighty from hitting a bad shot
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and having a hissy fit to the other way was
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I was playing with Henry Brunton many many years ago
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when he was the I guess he was the director
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of golf at Lionhead and the movie Tin Cup had
653
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.079
just come out, and of course he'd seen it, and
654
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he hits this drive and this the ball is maybe
655
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a microsecond from being hit, it's just being launched, and
656
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he yells.
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Tuning fork.
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Because he just he's just like he just it's totally
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embodied it. And it was like it sort of startled me.
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The volume, but the abulance, uh, the enthusiasm that he
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that he embodied in that it was just like so amazing.
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I know he was sort of exaggerating, he was probably
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performing a little bit for me, but I mean, really
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to to react to respond with absolute joy rapture when
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you occasionally, very occasionally absolutely not one, absolutely in this
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in the sweet spot of like. That is something, folks,
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that's really rare. So let's think celebrate.
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Let me just do. This is the quality of being cheerful,
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highly energetic, and full of unrestrained enthusiasm. WHOA, there you go.
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Good word.
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That's like me as I pull into the parking lot
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of the Mandarins.
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Nothing gets kao more excited than a buffet. And for
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you people who don't know the Mandarin, it's a Chinese food,
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but you can also get roast beef, so it's got everything.
676
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.039
Can it's easier. I thought you were a grilled cheese guy.
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I don't think you get grilled cheese at the Man
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Cheese too.
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Oh buddy, hey dude, I got a place for you
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here in the in the city. I went with my
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youngest on a couple of I guess last week. We
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went for lunch together and I had a grilled cheese
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sandwich and they get in a server with a little
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side cup of tomato soup. But it was like elevated
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grilled cheese with monster cheese and a little bit of
686
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bacon in their Ko, you would have lost your mind.
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Was it called the Comfort Place? No, actually it's a
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place called Yolks. It's like a really cool little breakfast place. Okay.
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So before we let can go, I got to set
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this up. So it's a two day event Monday, nine
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holes of alternate shot. The second round is no nine
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holes of a scrambled and an alternate shot.
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Then the second day is your playing your own ball.
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It's better ball. And as you said, we we had
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moments of sort of good to okay, both of us had,
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you know, a couple of nice boom miles here and there,
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and then we played these guys so we were we
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tied for seventh half of the first round out of
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thirty five teams, and then we played with the other
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guys that were kind of around our score. And in
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the front nine Kent and I did not have our
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best stuff. And by the way, I remember that bunker
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shot was at nine at Graystone because I had short
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sided myself and you were on the other side. It
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was a really cool shot. So we kind of were
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scrapping it around and Graystone and we made a double
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bogie in at Graystone. We just had one of those
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things where neither of us could bogie the hole. So
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from the eighth hole on though, we made a par.
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Then we made another par on nine, but we were
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still These guys were even par as a team on
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the front nine, and we were four over par on
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the front nine as a team, so not great. Then
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on ten, we both hit decent drives. Kent's down the
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left hand side, it's Graysto. It's a par five, and
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I hit a really good, you know drive for an
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old guy. It's like forty ahead of me. I'd hit
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it really well. So ken Ken gets up and he
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lays up with this hybrid, just beautiful swing, like just
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you know, tuning fork ball goes up and I'm like,
721
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great shot, Bud. Meanwhile, we've been for the last nine
722
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.320
and ten we've been being beat by these guys, you know.
723
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:27.480
And I get up, Okay, do you want to take
724
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.159
it from here? Should I describe the shot?
725
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.800
So Howard Scott, I think it's either two thirty two
726
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.960
or two thirty five pin. You've got to hit the
727
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.719
ball at least two twenty in the air to carry
728
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.360
the ravine. And Howard gets up with a three wood
729
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:49.559
and he hits this absolutely quality Champions tour level three wood.
730
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.239
I mean, as soon as he hit it, it was
731
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:55.239
just gargeous, the height that you know everything about it.
732
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.079
You know, it hits right at the front of the green,
733
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.000
so they probably carried it two thirty takes a little bound,
734
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.760
starts to roll towards the hole, just miss this going in.
735
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.280
I think it ends up about eight feet past the hole.
736
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.320
And then I turned around. I sort of you know,
737
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.199
there was a moment of silence.
738
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:12.199
I turned around and I.
739
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.559
Looked at Howard and I said, how are these two
740
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:19.760
fucking humps beaving us? All right?
741
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:23.199
I just start laughing. I couldn't it was so good. Well,
742
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.079
I think what I wrote down is what you know,
743
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:28.039
what I thought you said was, can you believe these
744
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:33.000
fucking humps are beating us? Yeah? But already froze there
745
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.320
for a second, Okay, can you I did on my
746
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.679
back now, Okay, because the people on the podcast would
747
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.119
have heard that. No, it was this one of those
748
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.840
things where and ironically enough, we beat them on the
749
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.920
back nine. We shot even pars a team on the
750
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.639
back nine and ended up I think tied with them
751
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.039
or not. But it was just one of those moments
752
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.920
you want to talk about abulance, a buliance. It was
753
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.199
an a bulliant moment. A new word, but it's it's
754
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.880
a it's a quality that again, like I use the
755
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.239
I want to go back to the word practice. You
756
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:05.760
have to practice this, You have to you have to
757
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.280
embody it because if you can't fake it, like that
758
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.280
wasn't fake. Both of us reacted like I knew as
759
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.440
soon as I hit it. You know, there was one
760
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.400
of those swings where I'm like, okay, Ko's in good shape.
761
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.400
What I have attempted that shot on my own ball
762
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:26.519
in a tournament? Probably not? Probably not, because of it's
763
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.440
you want to talk about the classic risk reward, there's
764
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.599
nothing but risk to it. It's the anyone who's played
765
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.039
Grayce and it's the tenth hole. It's got a ravine
766
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.440
in front of the green. It's very very narrow, and
767
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.199
either you either hit it great or you're in. You're
768
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:42.639
gonna make Like I was, I would have been in
769
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:44.079
the hazard and that I might have made a bogie.
770
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.119
I could have probably eked a bogey out of it.
771
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.519
But if I were playing my own ball, I probably
772
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.599
would have laid up just because of the you know,
773
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:55.840
my buddy Paul Yoda, Paul has a great expression. You know,
774
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.519
you can make a birdie with your third shot. You
775
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.639
don't need to hit the green in two. And as
776
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:03.599
it turned out, we both made berdies because you know,
777
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.079
Greystone had an eight footer for eagle, and you know
778
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.960
it's like a four foot it's like Greystone, it's like
779
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:16.000
an eight foot breaking. It was ridiculous, but but it
780
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:18.000
was the kind of moment where I knew he was
781
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.719
in great shape, so it freed me up to make
782
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.199
that swing. And it was you know, I know you
783
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.320
said to him something about driving home in silence. Sometimes
784
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.000
when I've played really well, or I've had a couple
785
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.320
of really shot good shots like that, I also drive
786
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.000
home in silence thinking about it, like how Yeah, here's here's.
787
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.559
What you didn't do, Howard, what you didn't do was
788
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:41.440
you didn't do? You know, I don't know what I said.
789
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:42.320
I probably said, oh.
790
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:44.559
Man, thing of beauty or something like that on the balls,
791
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.000
on the balls, and here's what you didn't do. You
792
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:46.280
didn't do.
793
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.239
Well, it's about time I showed up.
794
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:52.880
Yeah, there you go, Yes, exactly, like well, hearkening back
795
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.039
to things that we've said on this show before, or.
796
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:57.599
Even a blind squirrel finds a nuts.
797
00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.679
Okay, I say, yeah, all that, yeah, which is all,
798
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.320
which is all again back in the judgment thing. But
799
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.719
it's so important to have an intention, and so I'm
800
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.000
sure the part of your intention of playing together is
801
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.360
let's have fun today, absolutely, which is totally different then
802
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.000
let's play well, let's have fun. We'll just have a
803
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:21.440
great time. And that's why I think that intention is
804
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.119
such an important thing in this game, because it takes
805
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.199
us out of kind of the micro of oh, I
806
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.360
hope today my drivers in the slot and I don't
807
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.719
three put today, you know, the stuff we all struggle with. Stuff,
808
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.519
It takes it to a macro level of today, I'm
809
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:41.280
going to choose one. I'm gonna just being a great
810
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:43.320
partner today. Today, I'm going to hit shots with a
811
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.519
sense of freedom. Today, I'm going to have fun. And
812
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.039
when you have that intention going in, it helps us
813
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.960
when we do slide back down to get back out
814
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:55.000
of it quicker.
815
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.199
So I think that's really important.
816
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.360
But I also want to ask, do you guys play
817
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.840
alternate show, do you have like a little rule. I
818
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:03.840
think it's a very important and alternate shot that you
819
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.360
have a rule of never saying You're sorry.
820
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.400
No, ours is the opposite. We hobnoestly say, what are
821
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.719
you kidding me? With that ship? What is that?
822
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:14.000
Is that?
823
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.679
Really? Are you even trying? Are you even did you?
824
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:21.480
Are you trying to fuck me over? Are you? What
825
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.000
do you want? You don't like me anymore? Is that
826
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.000
what you're fucking telling me?
827
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:24.320
What?
828
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:25.840
We're you gonna say? Kid?
829
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.480
There's one hole in the alternate's shot and I'm in
830
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.960
the rough. You know, Howard did a good drive, but
831
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.079
it's slightly in the rough. I'm about you know, one
832
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.079
thirty five out something like that, so you know, and
833
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:41.440
Howard comes over and it goes, well, okayo, you remember
834
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.440
this hole? You know, like over there on the right,
835
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.800
there's that there's that that buncket you don't you don't
836
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:48.599
want that right.
837
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:54.360
Slops left right, just anywhere left, don't The whole world
838
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:55.440
is left?
839
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.719
Yeah, And so obviously I hope the fucking thing right.
840
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:05.320
And in a bunker, I was just kind of quiet
841
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.000
for a second. I'm I just want to say.
842
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:08.400
I was just going to say, God, damn it, man,
843
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.800
can you give me some good instruction, some some clear,
844
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:11.280
you know.
845
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:13.920
Direction, because we don't always do that but it was
846
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.400
it's that whole tim on the back nine at Blue Springs.
847
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.920
I think it's a it's after the par five, it's
848
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.760
the thirteenth maybe where the green goes way left right
849
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.840
and there's that huge bunker. There's another bunker shot that
850
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.360
I hit to a you know, that was a g
851
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.199
That was a great bunk shot. But he so we
852
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.920
have this quick discussion and I say, can't listen, whole
853
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.039
world's left, everything's left, miss it left and he bloops
854
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:38.519
it into the bunker and I did kind of do
855
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:40.280
i just kind of stared at him for a second.
856
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.239
I'm like, did not? Was that was me who was
857
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.199
having that discussion with here in a second ago? Can't
858
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:49.239
you were going to say something before that too? You
859
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:56.079
wanted to jump in That's all right, let's see what
860
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.760
we get today. Is a good theme for today? And uh,
861
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.320
you know what I was going to say.
862
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.960
You know, when when you go to the golf course,
863
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.840
you know sometimes I think, Okay, I want to get
864
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:09.360
a return on my investment today.
865
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:11.559
My return on my.
866
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:14.159
Investment isn't that I'm going to shoot the course record,
867
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.920
and it's not that I'm going to be somehow invited
868
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.920
to qualify for the you know, for the Champions Tour.
869
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.280
My return on investment is that I actually enjoy that
870
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.360
I experienced. Yes, that's what this that's what this new
871
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.280
book that everyone in the golf world is eagerly anticipated.
872
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:30.840
Absolutely.
873
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.199
I mean, you know the phone follow up to my
874
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:39.280
book you crazy, but you know, like it's just about
875
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.840
experiencing play.
876
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:44.960
One of the things on because I've read the new book,
877
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.320
one of the things that I'm one of the things
878
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:50.679
I like to take away from it, or I have
879
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.400
taken away from me, is this expression, let golf be golf.
880
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.000
It's just golf. We're just playing a game. Let it
881
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.199
be a game. Speaking of books, just before I let
882
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.679
you go, the new book is called On Playing Golf,
883
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.760
and I we'll have you back to talk about it.
884
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.400
I got an email. Well it's not an email, I
885
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.079
guess it's a text from somebody who says Swing Thoughts
886
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:17.280
sells books, Kent. Just so you know, Swing Thoughts sells
887
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.719
a book. This is from jud Curry, who said absolute
888
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.320
game changer, and he sent me a picture of Fred
889
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.679
Schoemaker's extraordinary golf. Just want you to know, Kent, you're
890
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.920
in the right place to sell a book on playing
891
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.679
golf is coming out. I just wanted to circle back, Okay,
892
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.480
I wanted to harken back to the idea of setting
893
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.360
that day's intention because you're about to go play golf today.
894
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.119
And I think another takeaway for a lot of people
895
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.719
today should just be that, like, if you're not controlling
896
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:50.639
the intention, then it's going to control you. Then you'll
897
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.440
be controlled. So I played in a tournament yesterday. I
898
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.440
didn't thirty six hole, similar format to the two days
899
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.880
that I played with Kent with a different partner. And
900
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.480
we get there. It's in very National Pines, a very
901
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.519
nice golf course, and we tee off at nine. When
902
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.800
we get there, I find out the first thing I
903
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.440
find out is there's no senior division. The guy I'm
904
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.519
playing with is he's like a plus one. He's a
905
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:18.480
really good golfer, but neither of us are like kids.
906
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.079
He's sixty three, I'm sixty six. So the first thing
907
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.280
we find out is there is no senior division. And
908
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.079
we're playing the back tees. And I made a conscious decision.
909
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.559
I said to myself self, I can either do one
910
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.119
of two things. I can let that be the day
911
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.840
like a fuck, here I go no matter what, it's
912
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.360
going to be too long. Think about the laundry lists
913
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.800
of shit going back to places unfair reason, this is unfair.
914
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:45.800
I spent a lot of money I'm going to be playing.
915
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.039
Its going to hurt par threes or two hundred and
916
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.039
fifteen yards and par fours or four forty into the wind.
917
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.960
But I say to myself, you know, I can either
918
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.639
try and swing harder to maybe get another ten yards
919
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.159
out of this old body of mine, or I can
920
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.519
see how many just good solid swings I can make
921
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.719
and wherever it goes, it goes, you know. And weirdly enough,
922
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.199
I said to Kenna on the way home, I called him.
923
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:11.800
I said, you know, dude, I just one of my
924
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.239
best driving rounds of the year, not just for how
925
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.599
far I was hitting it, but just the type of
926
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:21.719
contact and keeping it in play. And that golf course
927
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.960
is narrow. It's long, and it's narrow, and there's three
928
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.760
or four holes where I hit really good drives and
929
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.840
I still had hybrid into the green a couple of times.
930
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.679
You know, I thought, well, this is where I am
931
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.360
I'm at today. But it really just changed the It
932
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.440
just changed the camera view a little bit on it
933
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:41.440
just enough to keep me engaged.
934
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.320
Well, what I like about that is is, in essence,
935
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.039
what I think you're doing is, I'm going to immerse
936
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.679
myself in this experience and I'm just going to relish
937
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.039
it and just enjoy it the best I can. And
938
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.719
that approach, I think can just be pay many dividends.
939
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.800
And just I'll try and keep this one brief. Remember
940
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.079
having this meeting years and years ago with a guy
941
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.760
who self published a book, and so I was considering
942
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.519
the same thing. And so I met with them, and
943
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.639
we had coffee, talked about the nuts and bolts of it,
944
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:17.400
and then he started to give me his testimony about
945
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.960
how he found Jesus et cetera. And you know, I've
946
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.679
I'm a person of faith, so I started to listen.
947
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:28.199
But this testimony was really in depth, I mean, and
948
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.119
then so I'm going, oh my God, really this But
949
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:34.639
instead of like please, Dear God, get me out of here,
950
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.599
it was like, Okay, I'm going to so pay attention
951
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.280
to this. I'm just going to just take all this
952
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.599
in for the entertainment value and whatever wisdom I can
953
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:48.400
gather from his experience. And it was really interesting, and
954
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.840
so I think I'll take a snippet of that conversation
955
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.159
and use it in a novel sometime. But it's just
956
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.719
experiencing whatever happens. And you know, I'll lapse into judgment.
957
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.480
I'll I'll have my normal reactions, but then I'll kind
958
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:06.199
of like if I can have that intention to just
959
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enjoy experience and savor them for whatever there's there to
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be taken, it's just an easier way to deal with everything.
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Yeah, I can just imagine this guy is starting to
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do his testimony and meanwhile, God's out there going better
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you than me, Tim, take it over to you. God's
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like I've gone. I've heard this guy's story about a
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thousand times over to you. Tim Ken Osborne on playing golf.
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It will be out soon and when Kent, when it's
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ready to be released to the public, will get you
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back in here. Thanks again, appreciate you, my friend.
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I appreciate you boys, and thanks for having me on.
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Yeah, I have fun and good luck next week. Ko
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qualified for the Ontario Senior match play and looking forward
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to it. Yeah, looking forward to And by the way,
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speaking of tournament players, the guy I played with Ken,
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I forgot to tell you this. The first round of
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yesterday at National Pines. I played with the friend of
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mine who I'd known from the old National days and
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his name is Bill Hutchison and he won the nineteen
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ninety five Ontario Amateur when it was played I think
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it was ninety five ninety six when it was played
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at Barry National. And now he's, you know, fifty five
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versus a kid he set there in the actual is
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how good this guy is in the actual Ontario Amateur
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Because barrye National was a new course at that time,
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he set the course record in the tournament, little sweet
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sixty seven.
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Wow.
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Yeah, it's not it didn't stand, but I mean that's
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that's the level of player he was at. So I
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just also said to myself, I'm going to play the
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back teas with some kids today. I'm just going to
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watch them and see if I can learn something. What
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do they do? And you know, what's it like watching?
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You know? And then the second round we watched a
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couple of thirty something guys hit it in places I
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didn't even know you could hit a golf ball. So
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I was it was a good experience all around. Ko.
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Anyone wants to get a hold of you at Scratch
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Hattitude on social media, and a good luck today and
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good luck next week. Okay, thanks Briddy, all right, great, Kent,
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take care. Yeah, thanks to just let yourself out of
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the room, and Tim and I will wrap this show up. Okay,
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wrap it up. Hey. I wanted to mention too that
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when I came over at Blue Springs there to say
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I to Timmy that did the video. And it was
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great because Tim, you taped the video of me rather
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than Kent taping it on my phone and sending it
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to you. But then we hit balls for a few minutes.
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It was fun. I was feeling a little bit. I
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00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.559
wasn't really liking the way I was releasing my driver,
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and I got to tell you, man, like you've It's
1011
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.119
been a while since we've been on a range together,
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00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.480
probably years, but I could tell that you've really you
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00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.480
really upped your game. I don't mean this condescendingly. I
1014
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.719
mean upped your game in terms of your ability, how
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00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.760
you your coach speak is at a different level now,
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00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.599
I can tell. And I really enjoyed diar little. We
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00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.239
only had fifteen minutes together and we just and all
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00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.639
it was was just you know, having another set of
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00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.280
eyes asking me what I was you sort of asked
1020
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some great questions. I mean, I don't know from your
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00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.840
could you maybe re kind of like you just wanted
1022
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.800
to You didn't give me any swing things that was working. Basically,
1023
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.760
I'm trying to release my driver a little sooner, release
1024
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:20.519
it more freely, and you just had some just your guidance.
1025
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I was really impressed. I just want you to know, well,
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thank you, thank you.
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Well.
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I was It's fun. I mean, it's not often you get.
1029
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To work with someone who's who's in the territory of
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00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:35.400
plus and scratch scratch, because you're dealing with someone of
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00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:41.360
with like deep golf knowledge and experience. And I could
1032
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:46.280
just tell just from your physicality that you weren't, in
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00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.920
fact releasing it. There's some tightness there, and it just
1034
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.280
wasn't a flow. And I remember you just made this
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00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:58.440
one swing where it just seemed that everything happened just
1036
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.360
in this sort of magnet inficent sense of flow in
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00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.079
which that ball went out to the right of the target,
1038
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:10.719
started to draw in and just sort of intuited at
1039
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.880
your body and your arms and hands and club did
1040
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.400
something different that time, and so it was like, Okay,
1041
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:21.920
there's obviously something cool there. Happening. So how can I
1042
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:26.280
draw ask questions that'll draw out your experience rather than
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00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.360
so much of me going, oh, dude, you need to
1044
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.840
swing out to right field and all this stuff. At
1045
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.239
least I'd like to start with questions that pull out
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00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.119
your experience because I'm not in your body and you're
1047
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:42.239
swinging a driver, so you're swinging fast and so that
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00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:44.960
to me is what that to me was what good
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00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.079
coaching is, asking really good questions.
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00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:48.960
Well, I really, I said, I really enjoyed it, even
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00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:50.960
though it was a short session. I really enjoyed it,
1052
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.360
and I think I took some of that. I certainly
1053
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.760
hit it better. That was day one. I hit it
1054
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.079
better Day two, and then yesterday, like I said, it
1055
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:01.400
was one of my best driving rounds. Given this circumstance,
1056
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.960
we're playing it close to sixty nine hundred yards. It's
1057
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.679
a long golf course for me, and I don't like
1058
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.960
I could have been in a mode of this is
1059
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.679
going to suck all day because it's a long day.
1060
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.920
You know. We teed off at nine and I think
1061
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:18.440
we came in you know, you have lunch, and by
1062
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.639
the time we were done the second eighteen, it was
1063
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.719
six thirty quarter to seven. It's a long day. And
1064
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:27.000
what was the event. It was just an invitational that
1065
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some guys in Barry put on. They've been putting it
1066
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.199
on for years. There's a lot of good players. I
1067
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.239
would tell you just to give you some perspective. The
1068
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.719
guys that won it, the kids that wanted the two
1069
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.119
man team are both plus fives and they were twelve
1070
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.480
under par as a team for the day. The next
1071
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.239
closest score I think was a couple over part. They
1072
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:48.599
were just And there's one of the kids is a
1073
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.000
guy named Ryan saying it's pretty famous Canadian golfer. I've
1074
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.519
been at some tournaments with him in the past and
1075
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:58.039
you couldn't find a nicer kid. He's just a great kid.
1076
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.639
But he's so far ahead and shoulders above everybody else
1077
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.360
in that competition with something else.
1078
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.119
That's cool. So you said, you said a couple of
1079
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:11.119
times with can Berry National. Is that National Pine?
1080
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.960
Yeah it's not. Yeah, it's not. It's the old club
1081
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:17.920
Link used to own it. Is it renamed or maybe
1082
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.119
maybe yeah, it's but National Pines. I call them very
1083
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.440
national because I know, okay, I.
1084
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.360
Wonder, but yeah, it's that's that's a sweet golf.
1085
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:26.679
It is a sweet golf course.
1086
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:31.760
Those golf those greens, that's atomic Broom design, And when
1087
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:34.000
it first opened, a lot of people thought those greens
1088
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:38.599
were overdone, a little bit too roller coaster for people's liking.
1089
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:42.119
But uh no, I think that golf course is matured really,
1090
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:42.920
really nicely.
1091
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:44.679
It still has a little bit of like there's still
1092
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.079
a bit of a McBroom vibe about it in terms
1093
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:50.239
of like it's a bit can be a bit excessive.
1094
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:53.559
It's a bit excessive with the roly poly humps all
1095
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:55.440
over the place. But you know, if you're on if
1096
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:57.400
you're fine, if you're on the right side of them,
1097
00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:57.880
it's fine.
1098
00:56:58.400 --> 00:56:58.559
You know.
1099
00:56:58.559 --> 00:56:59.880
What's interesting about that is that.
1100
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.039
I'm playing now at deer Ridge this year, yeah, which
1101
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:09.320
is a McBroom design, which opened in ninety one. National
1102
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:16.280
Pines I think also opened in around the same time,
1103
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:21.360
I think late eighties or nineties, but deer Ridge is
1104
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:25.760
a little bit more open. I find it's almost like
1105
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:27.760
a carrot course in terms of like you're dealing with
1106
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.920
sort of wide corridors. It's hard to lose a ball there.
1107
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:36.000
But the greens are not as as I say, roller coaster,
1108
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:41.039
but they're they're subtle and oh it's a great test.
1109
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.559
I've just so tickled to be able to play there
1110
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:45.760
this year. I'm a I'm a corporate designate.
1111
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:48.119
Well I hope maybe that you and I could you know,
1112
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.400
I could love it. I'd love to come out and
1113
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:50.400
play with you sometime there.
1114
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:54.760
Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah absolutely, But it's a it's really
1115
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:56.679
neat to play a course. I played it with McBroom
1116
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:57.599
about thirty years ago.
1117
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.119
Well aren't you you're cool that way, You've got some
1118
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:05.960
cool cool ship. Thanks and thanks to everyone that has
1119
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.880
been listening to the show and keep running into people.
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00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:13.440
They go, hey, here's your show golf. Yeah, it's very cool. Nicholas,
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00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:18.039
Nicholas Fry as free as Nicholas free us, Nicholas give
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00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:22.079
this is a kid. He's got abulance. Hang on a second,
1123
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.760
am I saying it that way? Bulliance a bulliance. Oh
1124
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:34.440
it's right, the booth bulliance, brilliance, bulliance, bulliance. He's a bulliant.
1125
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:36.519
You know, if it's nothing to get from this show,
1126
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.719
if it's not about golf, it maybe how to pronounce
1127
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:40.039
a million dollar.
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00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:44.360
Words, brilliance. It's a great word. A bullian. Where do
1129
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:45.599
we where do people connect?
1130
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.400
With us Nick just on Instagram and Twitter. It's Swing
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00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:55.760
Underscore Thoughts, Underscore Podcast, YouTube, Swing Swing Thoughts one and
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00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.880
then our brand new TikTok Swing Thoughts for is where
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00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.280
Right on, kid, I appreciate you. Tim O'Connor at O'Connor
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00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.360
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