The Mediumship Breakthrough: Moving Beyond Fear, Ego and the Need to Be Right with Charlie Kelly

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Hello and welcome back to the SoulSync podcast.
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It's most lovely, my darlings, to have you here.
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Now, today I want to start with a question.
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How much of your life has been shaped by fear?
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Not the obvious kind, the quieter voice in our head that says, What if I get this wrong?
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What if people will judge me?
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What if I'm not good enough?
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What if I fail?
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Because fear it does have a very clever way of disguising itself, doesn't it?
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Sometimes we call it perfectionism.
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Sometimes we call it being sensible.
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Sometimes we just tell ourselves we're waiting until we feel ready.
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But often we're just simply protecting ourselves from the possibility of being wrong.
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And in mediumship, that can become a huge problem.
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You receive from the spirit world a feeling, an image, a name, a memory, and in that tiny space before you say it out loud, the mind jumps in with questions such as: Is that right?
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Does that make sense?
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The million dollar question in mediumship, have I imagined it?
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And what if they say no?
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And all of a sudden, suddenly, you're no longer listening to the spirit person, you're no longer in their energy because you're in your mind, you're analysing, you're trying to control it, trying to be right.
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Because mediumship, it asks us to do something very different, I feel.
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It asks us to trust, to surrender, have a willingness to speak before we fully understand, and have the courage to sometimes get it wrong.
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And maybe that applies to life too, doesn't it?
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Because how many opportunities do we miss?
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Because fear has already decided the outcome.
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The jobs we don't apply for, the conversations we don't have, the thing we want to create but we keep putting off.
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What might happen if we stopped waiting to feel fearless and simply just moved anyway?
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Today, medium teacher and YouTuber Charlie Kelly returns to the SoulSync for a conversation about fear, ego, confidence, perfectionism, and what can happen when we finally stop needing to be right.
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This is the mediumship breakthrough.
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Charlie Kelly, Charlie Kelly, welcome back to the Self Sink.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's lovely to have you back, and it's our last conversation was so interesting.
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It left me with a lot of different thoughts, actually, in terms of my mediumship and because you made some really, really good points, and actually a lot of listeners also got in touch as well because of some of the points you made.
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So, firstly, how are you?
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I'm good.
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I'm good, I'm really busy, really busy.
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So I've got a I've got a residential coming up in Birmingham, so two weeks.
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I've seen it advertised.
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Terrifying.
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So that's so that's in Birmingham.
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When is that?
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Uh next week.
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Um, next week.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, so by the time I release this, it'll have been and gone.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So looking forward to it.
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Lovely.
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Good.
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So it's lovely to have you back.
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I guess, you know, you come on the podcast at a really interesting time for me, my mediumship, how that's unfolding because of you know the fact I now find myself in the world of unemployment, you know, and I I know there's a lot of people who say that, but you know, I'm sort of sitting here almost feeling excited at the prospect, you know, because I was saying to you before we pushed the record button that, you know, I've been saying Charlie for a year now, if I didn't have my business, if I wasn't doing this, I'd be doing this.
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And it's it's almost like the proof is in the pudding now.
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I've got to do it.
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Yeah, that's it.
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The but the the the stars have aligned.
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The stars have aligned, and like you said, be careful what you wish for.
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Be careful what you wish for.
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But I mean, you'll be fine, you'll be absolutely fine.
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You just got I I think that there's so much fear around that kind of thing.
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When you've got the kind of development that people want to go into like a full-time thing, it's just the fear of it failing or going wrong.
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And the reality is if you just keep making sure you you do the checkpoints, you know, make the discipline and keep delivering, it'll it will just take care of itself, won't it?
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So you'll be able to it will.
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I have found that since you know I've left my job, my mediumship has just come on so much because I didn't realise how I thought I was present in times of doing mediumship and whatever, but I wasn't present.
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There's always something going on in the subconscious, yeah, yeah.
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And worry.
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I mean, you uh it weren't an easy job you've done either, though, was it?
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So no, it difficult, a lot of thought going into it.
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So you you think you're throwing everything at it, but as you said, that subconscious will be worrying about tomorrow, the deals, the is the paperwork signed, you know, all of that is is space that they would use, isn't it?
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So well, recruitment is like one of those jobs as well that you never switch off because there's always something going on, and not just something, lots of things going on.
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And if lots of things aren't going on, you should be stressed because that means you haven't got anything going on.
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So you almost kind of thrive.
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And and I guess I've I guess I've kind of lived in that environment for a long time, and I hadn't realized after 15 years of sales, I've become very good at it, and that's where I've honed a lot of my psychic skills, yeah.
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Actually, in reading people, and I didn't even know what psychic was at the beginning of my recruitment career.
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Yeah, yeah, but a a a great line of work to be using it in as well, though.
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So yeah, of course it is you'll be that'll be fine-tuned, not even on a development level, you'll just be absorbing every day, won't you?
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So people, traits, personalities, characters, it'll all just be absorbed by you, recognising the red flags, taking it from there, which is all psychic development, isn't it?
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So it is.
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I've kind of got certain detectors, I guess, I've built up over time.
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I've got the bullshit detector, yeah.
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That's very sensitive.
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I can s uh sniff out the bullshit very good one to add, though.
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It's a good one to add.
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Well, it is.
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I would say I've got I've said I've got a money sensor for candidates and things like that.
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But I wanted to get stuck in today to the to the medium shit with you because you really described something last time which made a lot of sense, and I wanted to unpack that a bit more because you talked about the process of stacking and kind of getting the evidence and the way you say it, and something that really rang in my head was when you described that the beginner intermediumship gets the car, you know, the intermediate might get the red car, and then it's advanced, it's you're bringing through, and I've got your mum as she showed me my the car.
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Yeah, I've started your technique recently, Charlie, just in the last few days since I've had a bit of flow.
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And it works, and it does because you're you're fueling the power, aren't you?
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By doing that.
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Yeah, of course.
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Of course, but you're not, you're not.
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I think where when you go through the layers of beginner intermediate advanced, when you've got that kind of thing, the beginner is always working in like an energy of fear and failure.
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So you're developing a skill set that is just saturated in fear.
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Oh, I hope they're there.
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I hope someone turns up.
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You know, the intermediate has learned that they've done it a hundred times now, and funny enough, they've always turned up.
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So there's a little bit more space there.
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You don't, you, you're your your faithful, you're leaning into it a little bit more, you know, you've got a bit of a skill set going, and you lean into that a little bit more, and so you that that space that is occupied by fear can get the red car.
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Not just the car, it'll be the red car, but there's a little bit more room there now.
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And then the in the the the advanced, you go into that advanced professional kind of mindset, they know they're there.
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And you've done this thousands of times now, so you'll get the reg of the car if you want it.
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It's just whether it's relevant in the moment, isn't it?
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So it's a it's great, it's a great statement to give the reg of a car, but first and foremost, the client has to know it.
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Or it's or it's a wasted statement.
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So well, or or you could get uh, you know, a a no, and I guess that's the thing about the evidence and how you deliver it.
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You you say saturated in fear mediumship.
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It is, isn't it?
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Because every aspect a whole lot of classrooms are the worst, classrooms are the worst because you've got other mediums that are training, and and for whatever reason that'll be, I I'll I'll go, right, who's coming in?
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It'll be someone called Louise, let's say.
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And I'll go, how are you getting on, Jason?
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And you'll be like, Oh, I'm just you know, I'm thinking about selling up the business and doing it full time.
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Well, poor Louise now is she's like, No, he's better than me.
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And so in that moment, it's like she feels inferior, and so she'll always she'll always just pop you on a pedestal because you uh use the word professional or full-time, or so now you're on a pedestal in Louise's mind.
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You don't know you're on a pedestal, but you are in her mind, so she'll be absolutely fine through the other classes, beginner, beginner, beginner.
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I'm gonna put you with Jason, and she'll mess it up, and it'll be the fear that's within the bowl, within that role of ingredients that that that made up Louise would use for the uh for the communication.
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It's funny because I've always felt much more nervous in actually doing it for clients or doing it to well, what I guess I want to use the word muggles.
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I've always felt uh I've always felt much more comfortable doing it with mediums.
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But it is there is a lot of fear there because first of all, you know, well, this is how I was, I really deeply care.
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You know, I am bringing through someone from the spirit world.
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I've got to decipher between my mind and imagination.
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So even to the point that you can fluidly start delivering evidence, you have to get to a point of believing in this if you're not believing in the spirit world in the first place, you know, like I was.
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I was I was dabbling, Charlie.
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I was wanting to see it as well.
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But I also understand why people do that, you know, it's it's all exciting, it's magical, you know.
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You you run a class energy and you watch the magic just enlighten the individual in front of you, they can feel the energy.
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Oh my god, this is amazing.
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And and but you've got no idea where that magic leads.
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And so right now it's there, and so you've got it.
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The problem that we have as a medium is that is we take a step forward, and say you've got a couple of months under your belt, and then you hit a year.
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What all mediums forget is to look back at that class when they were like, Oh, oh my god, this is amazing.
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Now critiques at its max.
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Like, deliver this thing is meaningful to you.
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I'm so passionate about my work, and any little mistake is just gonna outweigh any kind of joy that I'm gonna get through it.
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Hence the plateau, hence the the idea of I may give this up, maybe it's not for me.
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And and the reason we're saying that is because we get one tiny little detail wrong, and our world is imploding.
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Oh my god, I've messed it up.
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Oh my god, I've got to know.
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Oh my god, but not offsetting any of that with, but look how many statements you got right.
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And I see day in, day out with students, it's like three percent of the reading was known.
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The other 97% was top draw, top draw statements, top draw delivery, top draw energy.
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And I'll say, so as you get on there, like, oh, I don't know, it's I've messed it up, I've I've wrecked it.
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I was like, 3%.
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You mess 3% up.
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Well, we do that, don't we, as human beings?
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We absolutely beat we do, yeah, we beat ourselves up.
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You know, how often, you know, does the inner voice in our head, you know, give us positivity versus critique?
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We love to critique on every level.
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Without without a doubt.
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But it's the ego that's in fear, though, isn't it?
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It's like Jason, don't get up, you make us look stupid.
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Jason, don't say that.
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What if you're wrong?
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And and that little voice in your head just goes, it grows in in stature, it grows in power.
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If I feed into it, I just tell Mike to get in the crate, you need to piss off.
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I'm on stage now.
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Go away.
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But you've you've trained that to stay in the cage, and you've also trained it in how to get in the cage.
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Because 100%.
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I think there's I think there's a you you really have to understand that you've got to nurture that though.
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Like, so I like on stage, I don't care, I'll take the hit.
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It's my mistake, my bad.
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Uh, over to me, it's my fault.
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Eat goes in the in the crate.
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But if I'm playing games and and I've win, I win, I win the competitive competition that I've entered.
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Oh mate, I'm up in the air, I'm I'm parading around like a peacock.
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I am amazing, but I'm allowing it time to run out of the cage.
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I I feed it, I water it, you know, I take it for walks, I let it burn all its energy.
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Well, you have quite a good relationship with it.
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This almost sounded like a dog to me.
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Exactly, but exactly needs to be treated like a dog.
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If you don't, if you don't train the dog, the dog plays up.
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But if there's something in that, the dog, because if you and I was thinking about this, because when you need to start putting that in the box, you need to bring it back slowly and you need to train it.
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But you know, like a dog, if you're gonna shout at it to sit and treat it badly, you know, it's not gonna work.
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You've got to be gentle.
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It'll be disobedient.
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And any opportunity, you leave the crate door open by a mistake, you don't quite pull the latch, bang, that dog's out.
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And that that's in in a in a symbolic kind of way.
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That'll be on that'll be on the stage when I'm receiving adoration or applause.
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Uh oh no, I've left the cage undone.
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Bang, out, out it flies and it'll parade around.
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So, yeah, you've got to be you've got to be on top of it.
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So I I do I'd I'll tell Carol how good I am at everything when I'm not.
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Does she believe you?
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Of course not.
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Of course not, yeah.
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Uh but it's just the exercise in it when it needs, you know, it needs running around.
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It's interesting.
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I think even the fact that you call it a cage, that's a kind of visualization, that's how you interpret it, you know, there's something in that, you know, you found a technique that works for you.
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That, you know, someone said to me, I think all of development, I don't, I'm not sure about where you went or what you did, but I I'm under no illusion.
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I feel like every teacher or everyone that I know that does or teaches in mediumship, it's like it's we don't talk about it.
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Let's not talk about it, let's not talk about the ego.
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I'm spiritual, we don't have an ego.
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I don't judge.
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I'm not a judgy person.
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I don't the fact you're human, you're judging.
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Judgment kicks in at seven hertz on the on the mind map.
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So you're waking up at seven hertz, you're making judgments.
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My safe, you're judging immediately.
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And and the ego is very, very present.
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The ego is the identity of of Jason.
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You know, on the poster, tonight's medium is Jason, and and that's the ego, it's the identity.
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And my my role, my task is to dissolve my identity on the poster, on the Facebook pages, and dissolve that identity the moment I stand up and say, I have a man that wants to join me.
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You go in the back door with a blindfold on just so you can't see anything.
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I hate it.
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I absolutely hate it.
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But that's my job.
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No one cares for my opinion in that moment.
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They want to speak to their dad, they want to speak to their mum.
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They want to so I've got to dissolve my opinion or my judgments at that point.
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So at that point, parade all you like, but not now.
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We're working now, and that and this is this is important to me.
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This is special to me.
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Um, that it just it just crawls off now.
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Because I I feel sick, I feel like my belly flips, I've got no idea who's coming, I've got no idea what I'm gonna talk about.
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And then I start, and I can feel my ego go, oh, you're doing that thing again, you can make us look stupid here, and it just crawls off.
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And I can literally feel it just crawl away, like I'll see you in an hour, I'll see you in two hours, whatever it is.
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So, do you know what it seemed that it I think so much of mediumship, and there's something in what you're saying, definitely with development, training, this, that, the other, it's all about the technical aspects of how to connect to spirit, but the actual ego, the self, should be the biggest part of it.
00:18:07.379 --> 00:18:16.259
Because if you want to develop uh mediumship, you need to it does not work without working on yourself, yeah.
00:18:16.419 --> 00:18:17.699
It doesn't work, absolutely.
00:18:17.859 --> 00:18:23.219
And I I think without offending anyone, I think everyone wants the shortcut.
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Everyone, like, man, this is a journey, I want this quicker, I want that.
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But the problem is, is we put so many of those self-development moments on the back burner.
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Like, I that can wait, I'll I'll deal with that later.
00:18:34.980 --> 00:18:41.379
And we put it on the back burner, but by putting it on the back burner, you put a blockage in front of you or a barricade.
00:18:41.459 --> 00:18:44.179
Um, it's not locked or anything, it's just there.
00:18:44.740 --> 00:18:48.980
And then I deal with a back burner, and that and the barricade just moves a little bit further on.
00:18:49.219 --> 00:18:52.980
And so that self-development, that growth is like a spiritual growth.
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You're acquiring knowledge, you're acquiring understanding, and through that, that personal development, you'll but you'll instantly become a better medium just because you understand that it's the world doesn't evolve around me, Charlie.
00:19:08.099 --> 00:19:12.419
You know, I'm main character in my story, but an extra in yours.
00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:14.099
Well, you're not even Charlie.
00:19:14.179 --> 00:19:15.779
You're you know, that's just a label.
00:19:15.859 --> 00:19:18.579
That's just your label for your meat suit, isn't it?
00:19:18.899 --> 00:19:19.779
Exactly it.
00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:25.779
And so if I can suppress, like, I am offended or I am bothered, I want, give me this.
00:19:25.939 --> 00:19:29.939
If I can suppress that, then dad will tell me everything I need to say.
00:19:30.419 --> 00:19:36.740
See, the interesting thing about that is everything you are saying there is a self-development point.
00:19:36.899 --> 00:19:44.419
Not once are you sitting there saying, I need to push my aura out, I need to throw my third eye over my head, I need to build my energy.
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It's it's about working on you.
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And this is what I've it's a business model, also, ain't it?
00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:54.019
I can sell you that I can sell you blessed water that I've sat on top of, if you like.
00:19:54.099 --> 00:19:55.619
And in bottom, how much is it, Charlie?
00:19:55.699 --> 00:19:57.219
I imagine about£3.99.
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Yeah, yeah, per 10 mil.
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And I can sell you selling that.
00:20:01.539 --> 00:20:08.579
I can sell you crystals and I can sell you scarves and CDs, and but the the real work's done internal, isn't it?
00:20:08.980 --> 00:20:11.139
Them things, they're gimmicks, they're gimmicky.
00:20:11.619 --> 00:20:17.219
If you were gonna have any merchandise, I would say you do a uh meditation, but it's on vinyl.
00:20:17.299 --> 00:20:19.779
We've yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:19.859 --> 00:20:21.619
That'd be that'd be cool.
00:20:24.179 --> 00:20:39.539
You know, even I've learned, and I think this is important because a lot of people really struggle with this, and I think, especially people coming into the spiritual world or whatever, you beat yourself up so much because you can't understand how to control the ego.
00:20:39.699 --> 00:20:49.939
And it's even interesting, isn't it, that you've been in this world for a long time, and even you people would assume oh, a medium who's done it a long time, of course they know how to like a clear vessel.
00:20:50.019 --> 00:20:52.179
You've done it, it's always chipping back in.
00:20:52.419 --> 00:20:54.259
Oh, you've always got to keep on top of it.
00:20:54.339 --> 00:20:56.579
I'm I'm forever talking about discipline.
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It's like these are the things that I must do if I want to be successful, and not enough people are using the disciplines to to get to where they need.
00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:07.139
So you're not allowed to have an opinion.
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And and the problem is that it there's a big self-fulfilling part within a mediumship that shouldn't really be there.
00:21:14.579 --> 00:21:17.779
I want to know, I need to understand what it is that you're giving me.
00:21:18.099 --> 00:21:18.819
No, you don't.
00:21:18.899 --> 00:21:19.539
Yeah.
00:21:19.939 --> 00:21:23.219
You have to you have to say it for me is is your task.
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Your understanding of the statement is irrelevant.
00:21:26.179 --> 00:21:31.299
I want to talk to my child, I want to talk to my partner, I want to is what the spirit communicator would be doing.
00:21:31.539 --> 00:21:39.379
And that need to know, that need to understand, that need to know where the narrative is going, where is this story leading, is the very thing that stops it.
00:21:39.939 --> 00:21:54.099
Well, so many people, if you if the amount of times I hear individuals, mediums say, right, okay, now the spirit person, give me this, or try that they're trying to control every aspect of the reading, even to what comes through.
00:21:54.740 --> 00:22:03.859
And you know, here's the name, here's the you know, the person it the evidence in itself, I even think in a message, is actually quite boring.
00:22:04.659 --> 00:22:09.219
Well, it's boring if it if you are doing it in like a polite way or or whatever.
00:22:09.379 --> 00:22:21.779
If if the message is like take your story, for example, right now, you've got a lot of going on in the background, you've got your your business, this, that, and the other, and you're you're tippy toeing around the professional aspects of mediumship.
00:22:21.939 --> 00:22:32.819
The the reality is the message won't be one of like, you've got this, Jason, come on, you've got this, because you know that it it will be more of Jason, pull your fucking finger out.
00:22:33.379 --> 00:22:33.939
What are you doing?
00:22:34.259 --> 00:22:37.779
Well, it's it well, it's interesting because even at this juncture right now.
00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:40.099
I feel a mix of emotions.
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:41.299
I feel liberation.
00:22:41.459 --> 00:22:42.500
I feel excitement.
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I feel confident.
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You know, lots of good things I feel.
00:22:46.339 --> 00:22:49.779
But I'll get the ego chip in saying, Oh, you're unemployed now.
00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:50.899
Oh, is that gonna work?
00:22:51.059 --> 00:22:52.259
Are you gonna be able to do that?
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And and and I'm having to say thank you, but no thank you.
00:22:57.299 --> 00:22:57.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You know, yeah, I I don't want your opinion today.
00:23:00.659 --> 00:23:02.019
Shut up, go away.
00:23:02.259 --> 00:23:05.139
But you have to train yourself and you have to rebuild.
00:23:05.459 --> 00:23:06.819
I think I just got fed up.
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And I mean, and I don't think everyone will live the life that I'm trying to live or whatever.
00:23:13.299 --> 00:23:15.299
I just got fed up with that fear.
00:23:15.459 --> 00:23:21.379
If we bulk it all together as a fear, it ruined so many days of my life.
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So many.
00:23:22.579 --> 00:23:28.819
I didn't go for the job, I didn't start the relationship, I didn't take the chance, I didn't, because I was scared, scared, scared.
00:23:29.059 --> 00:23:31.379
And just one day I just got up and I was like, do you know?
00:23:31.459 --> 00:23:32.980
I fucking had enough of fear.
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I've had enough of it.
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Like, I my daily battle now is how many times can I beat fear in one day?
00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:45.219
And I I reflect every single day and say, I was scared to do that, and I still did it.
00:23:45.379 --> 00:23:46.099
I won.
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I don't want to stand up in front of 300 people.
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I'm terrified.
00:23:52.339 --> 00:23:53.939
Belly's flipping, I want to throw up.
00:23:54.019 --> 00:23:55.459
Well, I don't care, you're scared.
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So, fear, you're not winning this one.
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And I'll go out and I go, Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
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Like tough now, ain't it?
00:24:01.219 --> 00:24:01.779
I've won now.
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I'm stood here, I'm talking.
00:24:03.699 --> 00:24:05.779
So I didn't want to go through France.
00:24:05.859 --> 00:24:09.379
I didn't want to take eight weeks out and try like an adventure with fishing.
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And so I booked it.
00:24:11.139 --> 00:24:13.139
I was scared, but I booked it.
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Now I'm doing it.
00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:16.419
And just won't let fear win.
00:24:16.579 --> 00:24:17.699
Just will not let it win.
00:24:17.779 --> 00:24:22.819
It's a personal daily battle that I have, and I just remind myself how many times I beat it today.
00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:27.379
It could be anything, it could be something stupid, something silly, but just don't let it win.
00:24:27.459 --> 00:24:29.859
Don't let it back in with anything.
00:24:30.019 --> 00:24:38.740
So it'll be scared to speak up, scared to have a voice, scared to say my true feelings, scared to say, but just override it.
00:24:38.899 --> 00:24:46.419
And it's it's so empowering, so, so empowering to be able to not let fear cripple you from the inside out.
00:24:46.819 --> 00:24:52.419
To start to live that way, you know, to step into your power, so to speak, obviously took courage.
00:24:52.579 --> 00:24:56.899
What was the this moment when you said, right, fuck this, I've had bloody enough of this.
00:24:57.139 --> 00:24:59.699
I do know I actually I actually remember where I was.
00:24:59.779 --> 00:25:01.219
It was a it was a crazy day.
00:25:01.299 --> 00:25:03.139
I'd I there was a lot of pressure, you know.
00:25:03.219 --> 00:25:09.939
I was travelling a lot through Europe and what have you, which I've done I tend not to do much now, not because I'm not booked, just because I don't want to.
00:25:10.179 --> 00:25:14.500
And I the diary kind of works for me now, not me work for the diary.
00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:21.459
I was stood in a shop and I was I was late for an appointment, but I had to stop at this shop.
00:25:21.699 --> 00:25:24.899
And in front of me was this nice guy, a nice lady.
00:25:25.059 --> 00:25:28.980
I was in a village, and she was like, You're right, John, how's how's Beth getting on?
00:25:29.139 --> 00:25:30.980
And how did that appointment go?
00:25:31.299 --> 00:25:37.939
And in my head, I was like, mate, I'm in a hurry, mate, I'm in a hurry, please hurry up, like get the conversation done.
00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:47.219
But I know that they didn't know what they were doing, they didn't know I was being held up, but the eight people behind me probably were busy as well, you know.
00:25:47.379 --> 00:25:53.139
And I just leant forward and I said, Look, I know you you know each other and you're having a conversation, but I'm in a rush.
00:25:53.219 --> 00:25:58.819
I don't even mind you ignoring me and carrying on the conversation, just get the cue gone.
00:25:59.219 --> 00:26:00.579
And she apologised.
00:26:01.219 --> 00:26:05.539
And she got she done the cue, they carried on with their conversation, the queue went straight down.
00:26:05.699 --> 00:26:08.819
And I and I was like, Oh my god, what a result that was.
00:26:09.139 --> 00:26:10.740
Hopped in the car, made the appointment.
00:26:10.819 --> 00:26:12.259
I was a little bit late or whatever.
00:26:12.419 --> 00:26:17.219
But I remember in that moment, I was like, I'm not arguing with this voice in my head anymore.
00:26:17.459 --> 00:26:20.259
Like, my piece is too important to me now.
00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:24.259
I've had a taste of it, which you're gonna know, you'll you'll see that in a year.
00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:27.219
So Jason and Tony, I think I'm seeing it now.
00:26:27.379 --> 00:26:28.579
I think I'm feeling it now.
00:26:28.899 --> 00:26:34.099
And and that voice is eventually your piece will outweigh anything else.
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:38.419
So there's nothing worse than being in a situation and you're like, do you know?
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:44.259
I wish I had just said, I wish I had done, I wish I had, I don't have that that train of thought now.
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:45.139
I did it.
00:26:45.379 --> 00:26:47.139
It went off, I did it.
00:26:47.379 --> 00:26:53.459
And it's just everyone knows what page they're on when you when you respond like that and you react like that.
00:26:53.779 --> 00:26:56.659
It hasn't got to be angry or violent or anything.
00:26:56.819 --> 00:27:03.859
It's just a a true sharing of of the what you're doing to me in this situation, what I'm doing to you, how I'm thinking.
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:09.779
But I'm not sitting at home one o'clock in the morning going, oh my god, I wish I'd just because I did it.
00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:16.419
You sometimes you have to get to that because there's been a lot of times in my life when I've got to that kind of I just can't fucking do this anymore.
00:27:16.659 --> 00:27:18.740
You know, I and um the set time.
00:27:19.219 --> 00:27:22.659
I honestly think they don't know what it's doing to you though.
00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:29.379
I honestly I don't think I don't think they're getting up in the morning and going, right, how can we wind Jason up today?
00:27:29.779 --> 00:27:31.699
How can how can we stir the pot?
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:36.980
How can we really get him angry and like you know, like really all hat up inside?
00:27:37.219 --> 00:27:38.259
I don't think they're doing that.
00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:47.219
I think their world is their world and they're important in their world, and they don't realise the impact it has on people that are close by, close proximity.
00:27:48.019 --> 00:27:50.579
And if you're not telling them, they don't know.
00:27:51.299 --> 00:28:19.859
No, I the thing is the profession I've done for a long time couldn't be more in the land of the ego, it's it just evolves around money, and and I think what's I found in you say about peace, there is I have been times in my life when I have been not had a penny to my name, then I've gone to the other extremes when I've had more money than I know what to spend with it, then I've lost it all and whatever.
00:28:20.179 --> 00:28:30.819
Right now, peace is what I want, and I didn't even realise until just the other day, until my mediumship was like, Charlie, you'd have been proud to me.
00:28:30.899 --> 00:28:32.980
You'd have been like, whoa, look at him flow.
00:28:33.379 --> 00:28:43.219
But I think you don't realise just how much you're you're working from your day to day in a job that that is obviously around money and ego, or or mediumship.
00:28:43.379 --> 00:28:50.019
I don't realise how much you think or pay attention to that you're running on high levels of anxiety.
00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:51.139
Oh god, yeah.
00:28:51.539 --> 00:29:02.019
And then and then anxiety comes off the table, and you're like, Oh my god, I I can breathe today, and that is just not worth giving up.
00:29:02.659 --> 00:29:06.419
Well, I was always in a rush, always rushing in the morning in the gym, right?
00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:07.939
Rush because I need to get to work, right?
00:29:08.019 --> 00:29:12.419
Rush because I'm doing this, and I I got so used to that way of existing.
00:29:13.699 --> 00:29:37.299
But I honestly feel like mediumship came into my life, Charlie, for a diff for such a reason because I I owe a lot to mediumship in terms of how it's healed me, and even in the days leading up to the big, you know, bang moment of me making that decision, I could I felt spirit around me so much.
00:29:37.459 --> 00:29:56.500
And my granddad is a he's a medium and he's a guide to mine, and he's in the spirit world now, but he he comes through all the time because I think he loves teaching people, and he just did his serious dance, you know, and you you know when he's being serious when he does his serious dance, and he was like, You need to do this.
00:29:56.740 --> 00:30:06.500
So I, you know, I owe a lot to spirit, and it isn't it interesting how you know because I almost feel in such service to spirit because I think, well, how much have you helped me, you know?
00:30:06.659 --> 00:30:10.419
And that's only in the ways I understand, probably way much more than we understand.
00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:23.459
I think I think I think you I think you summed it up really well there without even realizing because it is a service, what you're saying it is it is a service, and so that for those that are developing mediums, this is the best time to catch them.
00:30:23.699 --> 00:30:26.659
Is like, I want and give me this and do that.
00:30:26.740 --> 00:30:30.500
It's not a service, it'll it's I'll do it if I know what you're talking about.
00:30:30.659 --> 00:30:32.980
That's not service, that's under condition.
00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:39.779
So I need you to stand up and say everything that I give you through your sensory experience, okay?
00:30:39.939 --> 00:30:41.779
And then I say, Yeah, sure.
00:30:41.939 --> 00:30:47.859
And then I go through the sensory experience and I say everything that I'm aware of is service.
00:30:48.579 --> 00:30:53.779
I'm not saying, but I want to know how you died, I need to know who I'm talking to.
00:30:53.939 --> 00:30:54.740
I don't.
00:30:55.219 --> 00:31:03.219
I'm aware of that, and this is what he's asking me to say, and then I say it is service, and a lot of people band that around quite a lot.
00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:07.939
I hear that a tremendous amount, like, well, I'm in service, but well, you're not though, are you?
00:31:08.179 --> 00:31:15.219
You're in service providing you understand what it is that they're talking about, which is under condition, and those are two separate subjects.
00:31:15.459 --> 00:31:21.619
So, and and that makes it really easy to then get up because I'm offsetting it.
00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:30.179
So, you know, like I've I've got children, and you know, that I I can be defiant or whatever, but if they need my help, I'll drop everything and go for them.
00:31:30.259 --> 00:31:32.019
I'll die on the hill if need be.
00:31:32.179 --> 00:31:35.059
It they're my children, and that's how I am with this.
00:31:35.139 --> 00:31:36.259
I'll die on the hill.
00:31:36.419 --> 00:31:39.699
I've got no problems with it, but I'm in service of.
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:41.299
They need me now, you know.
00:31:41.379 --> 00:31:45.379
I'm gonna do this, and this voice needs me to say this on my stage.
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:46.579
Thanks for coming.
00:31:46.659 --> 00:31:48.179
Now I've got a lady that wants to join me.
00:31:48.259 --> 00:31:49.299
What am I saying for you?
00:31:49.459 --> 00:31:52.579
And I say the things, and I ain't got a clue what I'm talking about.
00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:55.859
I might make it sound like I know what I'm talking about, but I haven't.
00:31:56.019 --> 00:31:58.099
And all I need is the client to say yes.
00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:58.899
You understand that?
00:31:58.980 --> 00:32:00.259
Yep, let's move on then.
00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:01.379
And then I move on.
00:32:01.539 --> 00:32:02.579
Is a service.
00:32:02.980 --> 00:32:08.500
There's nothing more annoying than I I live, I live near you, and I say, Can you give me out with these heavy boxes?
00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:09.699
And you go, Yeah, sure.
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:10.740
I'll be there at 10.
00:32:10.819 --> 00:32:13.699
So I open my door at 10 and you say to me, Where's these boxes?
00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:15.219
And I say, They're down the side here.
00:32:15.619 --> 00:32:17.059
Need them in the in the garage.
00:32:17.459 --> 00:32:19.299
And you're like, Yeah, cool, what's in it?
00:32:19.779 --> 00:32:21.459
Well, it don't matter what's in it, does it?
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.059
It's I need them moved.
00:32:23.379 --> 00:32:26.579
And and now you're picking out the box, like, well, why have you bought that?
00:32:26.659 --> 00:32:27.299
What's that for?
00:32:27.379 --> 00:32:28.740
Why are you putting that in the garage?
00:32:29.219 --> 00:32:31.779
That's a really annoying medium.
00:32:31.939 --> 00:32:34.019
Because then Charlie, I'm the sort of person.
00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:36.899
If you told me not to open a box, I would be able to help myself.
00:32:37.219 --> 00:32:38.019
Yeah, I'm in it.
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:38.819
I'm a nosy.
00:32:39.139 --> 00:32:40.500
I'm a nosy person.
00:32:40.659 --> 00:32:40.899
Yeah.
00:32:41.219 --> 00:32:48.099
So and that's and that's I think it catch that early, and then mediums have a lot more freedom in their mind.
00:32:48.579 --> 00:32:50.500
If you catch it, if you catch it early.
00:32:50.659 --> 00:32:57.619
It's more difficult if they've got a 10-year development under their belt and someone's been telling them to understand the statement.
00:32:58.179 --> 00:33:01.939
And if you know, you don't need to, you're giving it away.
00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:21.619
Well, even I was looking at a medium the other day, and a lot of what you said l last time did resonate because if I was looking at myself in that medium from when I was at a stage of I stand up, and even because I think because I've always had charisma, even if I'm not getting good evidence, I'll still keep you entertained.
00:33:21.699 --> 00:33:22.179
Do you know what I mean?
00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:25.939
I'm ever somewhat, but I'm a good way of looking at it.
00:33:26.179 --> 00:33:32.579
Well, yes, well, you know, I but there is something in that you want to get raise the energy of the room, don't you?
00:33:33.379 --> 00:33:47.619
You know, but you know, I would get a bit of evidence, and I was watching this uh medium, and he was getting a bit, and then obviously would go into his head and then back out again, and then in and out of the energy, because it's it's uh sticky.
00:33:47.779 --> 00:33:53.699
But yesterday I did a reading, and this is how it powered it.
00:33:53.779 --> 00:34:09.139
So I was talking because I'll tell you something before I even say this, I always get the relationship wrong, but that's because I'm just almost like I want to know it to say it because I feel that I have to.
00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:10.820
Yeah, so and isn't that funny?
00:34:10.900 --> 00:34:13.139
But that's even something I've got in my head.
00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:15.300
So now I've stopped with the relationship.
00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:26.340
If I don't feel well, if I've got my sisters in the spirit world, and if you talk about her dancing in these shoes and that dolly that one time, I don't need you to say sister, I know exactly who it is.
00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:30.340
You almost a medium's obsessed on okay, who is it?
00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:34.900
You're trying to forget who it is before you've even so you're putting a filter, aren't you?
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:36.179
I just don't care.
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:42.980
And what I found over the last 10 years is that if my client needs the relationship, it's nearly the first statement.
00:34:43.219 --> 00:34:46.099
So I've got a man that's here and it's it's dad, actually.
00:34:46.339 --> 00:34:49.619
And then I would I would go into it, but the client needed it.
00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:54.099
If I say I've got a man here, but he wants to talk about his brassware, you know.
00:34:54.259 --> 00:34:57.219
People he he had this crazy collection of brassware.
00:34:57.699 --> 00:34:59.139
They don't need to hear dad.
00:34:59.219 --> 00:35:02.259
They're like, Yeah, yeah, I know that is and so they just move on.
00:35:02.339 --> 00:35:06.339
So I just stopped caring about that, just like it's not for me.
00:35:06.739 --> 00:35:30.739
Well, even that's what I did yesterday, and I was really noticing because I a penny dropped for me the other day, whereby I had a man with one of these special machines put a photo of me into his machine, and then it brought up all these different things like my allergies and everything, because it used you know, some kind of special machine that uses quantum energy.
00:35:30.819 --> 00:35:40.339
I can't remember what it's called now, but it really made me think, my god, if there is that much resonance in a photo that it can detect my allergies, my diabetes, this, that, the other.
00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:45.699
It's almost like made me look at the manipulation of energy and a communication.
00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:48.659
So I noticed without a doubt.
00:35:49.139 --> 00:35:51.059
Well, this is where I got to.
00:35:51.219 --> 00:35:58.579
So I started, and the first thing I brought through was I got this lady, and she wants to talk about uh rainback.
00:35:58.819 --> 00:36:05.779
Straight away, you're empowering because that spirit person is all of a sudden identified, etc.
00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:09.139
And it really made me it's immediate though, isn't it?
00:36:09.299 --> 00:36:23.940
It's like the mistake that the new people, I understand they make they make a mistake with with a style of teaching that's like we need a gender, we need a relation, we need a passing, we need a which is kind of like a get it going, get it moving kind of way of working.
00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:34.819
But but it's not to stay there, it's it's it's stabilizers, you know, it's it's just to get you moving, and then once you learn how to move, let go of that.
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:45.539
And and it's the things like if I was in the spirit world and and you were the media, I'd be like, if you said this, this, and this about me, she'll know exactly who it is.
00:36:45.699 --> 00:37:01.059
She'll know exactly just say those three things, and in that moment, when your client hears those things like maybe today's the day, maybe he's coming to me, maybe it's gonna be that, and you say those three things, you hear the intake of breath.
00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:04.739
Oh my god, it it that that is him.
00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:08.900
Oh my god, and your work is already done now.
00:37:09.219 --> 00:37:11.299
They know, they know you're in the room.
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:16.420
Now you can get right into the nitty-gritty and the beautiful layers of mediumship.
00:37:16.659 --> 00:37:21.299
Where now he wants me to talk about, now he wants me to say, now he draws my attention too.
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:24.819
And it's almost just adding to it, add, add, add, add.
00:37:25.299 --> 00:37:27.619
And and that's when the emotion starts.
00:37:27.940 --> 00:37:33.860
Even in the language, though, because if you're you know, you've got to look at your language.
00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:40.900
Language is so important because you know, words carry resonance and frequency, and you know, I didn't know the word.
00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:42.420
Yeah, there's a power in the word.
00:37:42.579 --> 00:37:49.380
Yeah, it's like yeah, you you said you spoke of your grandad, and we'll speak of that stance that goes with your granddad.
00:37:49.699 --> 00:37:49.940
Yes.
00:37:51.139 --> 00:38:03.460
There will be a moment in your memory that you've stored as a very small boy that that when uh when someone mentions the stance, it's almost like a flicker pad of memories that go off.
00:38:03.699 --> 00:38:05.460
And it's like bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum.
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:07.860
And you're there, you're there, you're in that moment.
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:14.339
Oh my god, yeah, I remember the first time or when he done that there, and and now you're rattling all these memories off.
00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:18.420
But the the memories were activated by the word stance.
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:22.659
Your job is to activate the memory.
00:38:23.139 --> 00:38:25.779
That's your job as the medium, activate the memory.
00:38:25.940 --> 00:38:28.980
So we're too busy trying to make it sound detailed.
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:31.219
We're too busy trying to make it sound good.
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:33.380
For someone we don't fucking know, by the way.
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:36.019
We don't know them, we don't know how they store their memory.
00:38:36.259 --> 00:38:39.139
So, yeah so I need to talk about stance.
00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:46.179
So, as I work with a man, he wants me to talk about that's not mediumship, that's presentation.
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:55.779
As I work with a gentleman, he wants me to talk about nothing in mediumship, stance, bang, b-bum, all the memories activated.
00:38:56.019 --> 00:39:00.179
Now we mean because the memories won't be activated.
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:11.219
This is the thing, because language is important because if you were to say, Okay, I've got a man and I'm feeling that he's a bit uptight.
00:39:12.259 --> 00:39:15.219
You've got to look at the language that you use.
00:39:15.699 --> 00:39:23.860
When when you were a young boy and you looked at your granddad, you would never sit there and think, I wonder how he handled money.
00:39:24.099 --> 00:39:27.380
I wonder what he was like when he argued with other family members.
00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:29.619
You'd have been protected from all of that.
00:39:29.860 --> 00:39:30.420
All of it?
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:32.019
You'd have been protected.
00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:34.019
Like you're you're his world in this moment.
00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:35.219
Let's go kick a ball.
00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:44.259
So you need to hear about the ball, not how he handled money, not about the dysfunction in the family, it'll be about buying new candy or chocolate at a shop.
00:39:44.420 --> 00:39:49.460
Here's a pound, you know, and and that pound is like you're rich for the moment.
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:55.380
And people are like trying to make it sound like really good, but your memories are stored as a boy.
00:39:56.019 --> 00:40:00.579
Now, if I'm working with your mum that you lost last week, that's different.
00:40:00.819 --> 00:40:02.500
That's that's a different scenario.
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:05.380
But what you don't know is where this memory lies.
00:40:05.539 --> 00:40:08.019
You have to trust this person that comes forward.
00:40:08.259 --> 00:40:12.819
So I know they want to talk about this dysfunction in the family because it was last week.
00:40:13.059 --> 00:40:16.259
But this guy, he wants to bring a ball and he's trying to give me a pound.
00:40:16.420 --> 00:40:22.259
He's got this really funny stance with him, and you're teleported back to when you're eight years old.
00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:24.019
Oh my god, I remember it.
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:30.819
You talk about obviously activating the flickbook of memories, but to do that, you need to be confident.
00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:39.139
So when I've been doing my medium shit before, you know, yeah, the difference is having the confidence, the trust, and the total surrender to not.
00:40:39.619 --> 00:40:41.940
That's a really simple exercise for that, though.
00:40:42.019 --> 00:40:42.819
It's really simple.
00:40:43.059 --> 00:40:45.539
So so I I I I've got my border.
00:40:45.779 --> 00:40:46.900
I'm teaching I'm teaching later.
00:40:47.139 --> 00:40:48.900
So see this version of me.
00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.139
Maybe you, you can wear it if you like.
00:40:51.299 --> 00:40:51.860
I'm a dick.
00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:54.339
Yes, I am an absolute dick, this guy.
00:40:54.579 --> 00:41:02.259
But when I crop when I cross my place of work, the threshold, and I'm working for the spirit world, he's not allowed in because he's a dick.
00:41:02.420 --> 00:41:03.539
He's not allowed in.
00:41:03.699 --> 00:41:06.179
I need discipline, I need everything like that.
00:41:06.259 --> 00:41:11.940
Now, I'm not confident in my ability to grab this and send Jason a text.
00:41:12.259 --> 00:41:15.460
My confidence is in the instrument that I'm using.
00:41:15.779 --> 00:41:17.380
So I don't know how it works.
00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:22.339
It beams off the tower out of the back, there, then pings on your tower, and you receive a message.
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:26.179
But it's not confidence in look at me, I can send a text message.
00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:29.059
My confidence is in the thing that I'm using.
00:41:29.219 --> 00:41:36.259
And in the communication, my confidence is in the man that wants to join me, knows his story, believe it or not.
00:41:36.500 --> 00:41:45.699
He knows everything that I need to say, he's got all the information, so I don't need any confidence in myself because he's got it all.
00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:47.619
So I say to him, What am I saying?
00:41:47.779 --> 00:41:55.219
And he says, Well, you need to talk about that ball, talk about that little shop where we went and got the hard-boiled sweets, and talk about my stance.
00:41:55.460 --> 00:41:56.019
Cool.
00:41:56.259 --> 00:41:57.940
I don't need confidence there.
00:41:58.819 --> 00:42:01.940
What I need is just to say it, and that's scary.
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:10.659
That's the bit where the butterflies kick in and the belly flips and it goes over and over and over, and I want to throw up, but it never goes wrong.
00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:11.940
Ever goes wrong.
00:42:12.099 --> 00:42:19.699
And I think that feeling that I have in my belly where it flips and I want to be sick and I start sweating out and I get nervous.
00:42:19.940 --> 00:42:22.339
I think I mistake that for nerves.
00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:25.380
When actually It's building up the energy, isn't it?
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:26.259
Exactly.
00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:34.099
The man's just joined me, and now I've got this weird feeling in my belly, and I feel scared, and I don't know what to say, and I don't know what to do.
00:42:34.259 --> 00:42:39.139
And I and my brain's doing that because I can't see it, I don't know what it is.
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:42.420
And so as soon as you get a bat belly or something, carry.
00:42:43.460 --> 00:42:44.019
Exactly.
00:42:44.179 --> 00:42:52.659
But then I follow it, but then I follow it, and now this this stranger that I do not know, I don't know this man, and I don't know the stranger in front of me.
00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:54.980
But they're like, Oh, oh my god, that is him.
00:42:55.460 --> 00:42:56.819
Oh my god, that did happen.
00:42:56.980 --> 00:42:57.860
Oh my god.
00:42:58.339 --> 00:43:00.819
And I'm like, oh, okay.
00:43:01.219 --> 00:43:07.940
And so I I've done, I I don't know the numbers now, but it's over three and a half thousand public dems.
00:43:08.739 --> 00:43:16.019
And they all work every time I turn up and I do that thing where I'm like, you're not allowed in, you're a dick.
00:43:16.179 --> 00:43:19.059
We need this version of you, and what am I saying?
00:43:19.219 --> 00:43:20.339
And I say it.
00:43:20.659 --> 00:43:24.259
What I never do ever is change it.
00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:28.739
I never change if they show me a nurse, I'm saying nurse.
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:35.860
If you the moment you start changing it, yeah, it's because you've got that way of working, like you said last time.
00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:44.659
It's about it's it's the man joins, he he comes to me, he gives me the information, and I've got to give it away to this individual.
00:43:44.900 --> 00:43:46.420
I've got I've got to give it away.
00:43:46.579 --> 00:43:54.980
But along there, along the time, I'm judging this guy, and that box is closing in, and I think I know where he's taking it.
00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:59.139
So the next statement I'm prepared to say fits this narrative.
00:43:59.380 --> 00:44:02.420
So I'll say it, I'll say it, I'll say it, I'll say it.
00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:08.900
But then he gives me one that doesn't fit, and you'll watch the medium, they'll go in their head, like, well, that don't make sense.
00:44:09.219 --> 00:44:16.099
Well, it's an instant when that happens to me, and I go in my head, there's an instant the energy all of a sudden.
00:44:16.659 --> 00:44:18.179
Because it's about you now, isn't it?
00:44:18.339 --> 00:44:20.659
It's about you, like you understanding and going from there.
00:44:20.819 --> 00:44:27.299
The funniest story, I may have shared it with you, Jason, is I was treating the garden with the pharma grade pesticide.
00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:35.299
Carol went and got her hair done, and uh I'm pumping the pumps as she walks around the corner and it explodes all in her hair.
00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:37.779
I'm on the floor laughing my head off because she's going bald.
00:44:38.259 --> 00:44:40.420
In the morning, and I'm dying.
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:42.819
And I'm trying to say to her, you need to go and wash it.
00:44:42.980 --> 00:44:46.179
Now, in mediumship, that story will never leave me.
00:44:46.339 --> 00:44:48.659
I thought I was gonna die from laughter.
00:44:49.059 --> 00:44:53.219
That story will never leave me, and it'll never leave her because she was so angry.
00:44:53.380 --> 00:45:08.099
But mediumship, that would be I need to talk about a spray can, and and and she would be like, right, and then explosion, she'll be like, right, and now he shows me hair, and the whole memory would come in.
00:45:08.659 --> 00:45:13.059
The whole, the whole, the whole moment, and she'd be like, oh my god, that is him.
00:45:13.539 --> 00:45:17.380
But mediums are like, Well, how does hair go with a spray can?
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.420
And this is it where it goes wrong.
00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:22.659
That's the problem, you know.
00:45:22.819 --> 00:45:29.779
You don't, you know, try and make sense of something or even interfere with it because you never know.
00:45:29.860 --> 00:45:35.139
And and like, you know, that's where you get so many mediums at the beginning of their journey.
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:37.059
So it's all very generic.
00:45:37.219 --> 00:45:43.699
I'm seeing the car, I'm seeing a tree, I'm seeing water because of the confidence of actually going forward.
00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:53.539
I think one of the big things that took me a while to really understand on this journey of discovery was the fact that we are all one, we are not separate.
00:45:53.779 --> 00:45:57.380
Yeah, that is the biggest illusion and what holds people up, isn't it?
00:45:57.699 --> 00:45:58.259
100%.
00:45:58.659 --> 00:46:02.659
And it's almost I forget, I forget now where I'm at.
00:46:02.819 --> 00:46:07.779
I think everyone sees it like I see it, and I forget, and I'm like, you're an idiot.
00:46:07.860 --> 00:46:11.860
They don't know what they're doing, you know, money's still important to them, you know.
00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:14.259
That that material thing's still important to them.
00:46:14.339 --> 00:46:17.619
They don't get what's happening, they don't understand what we are.
00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:21.619
That's because, Charlie, you just surround yourself with people who are like you.
00:46:21.779 --> 00:46:27.380
So we kind of assume mediums, you know, the world's like this, but we are in the minority massively.
00:46:27.619 --> 00:46:28.659
Yeah, of course.
00:46:28.900 --> 00:46:30.500
Of course, absolutely.
00:46:30.819 --> 00:46:46.579
And it it's it's it's so it's so difficult because people want it so fast, they want this oneness to sort of be part of it, but people will fall out with one another through development, through real life.
00:46:46.659 --> 00:46:49.219
It hasn't got to be about mediumship whatsoever.
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:57.699
And and the fact is, let's say, let's say I've annoyed people over my life, and I'm sure you've annoyed people over your life.
00:46:58.019 --> 00:47:00.819
People kind of take it really, really personal.
00:47:01.299 --> 00:47:04.420
But but it's like Jason's just being Jason.
00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:06.179
Why has that annoyed me?
00:47:06.339 --> 00:47:08.420
Is the question that I should be asking myself.
00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:09.619
Why has that annoyed me?
00:47:09.779 --> 00:47:11.219
Jason's just being Jason.
00:47:11.380 --> 00:47:13.699
He gets up and he beats Jason every day.
00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:15.380
Why am I angry about that?
00:47:15.539 --> 00:47:16.900
Why am I frustrated about that?
00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:25.059
Why am I and that's the question you've got to ask yourself because that gives you the insight to the work that I need to do on myself because you're just being you.
00:47:25.299 --> 00:47:27.779
Now, no matter what that is, it's not your fault.
00:47:27.940 --> 00:47:28.980
You're just being you.
00:47:29.139 --> 00:47:41.860
You're being your authentic self, your true self at that point in time, or you believe you are at that point in time, but everything about that irritates me or annoys me or makes me angry or is not your fault.
00:47:42.019 --> 00:47:45.059
It's my fault that I've let you do that to me.
00:47:45.460 --> 00:47:49.699
And if I can get my head around that, why did that annoy me?
00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:50.739
What triggers that?
00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:59.779
You start looking at parts of you that you didn't even know existed, you didn't even know it was there, and now you start fixing those bits.
00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:06.900
Well, people's skills go through the roof, your communications go through the roof because I'm not judging anyone, they're just them.
00:48:07.219 --> 00:48:10.259
They're just them, and so the awareness is wide open.
00:48:10.420 --> 00:48:15.219
I'll work with anyone, and that's and a lot of mediums ask me that.
00:48:15.299 --> 00:48:29.059
Like, I I want to do more than the bacon nana, I want to be able to get the but you you simply can't when you know they're the ones you enjoy working with, or them ones aren't irritating you or make you angry or whatever.
00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:31.299
You've got to lose that judgment of the individual.
00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:37.299
Jason's Jason, Charlie's Charlie, and and with no apologies, they're just who they are.
00:48:37.539 --> 00:48:40.420
If that irritates you, that's not your fault.
00:48:40.659 --> 00:48:40.980
Why?
00:48:41.380 --> 00:48:47.460
There's also when you're bringing through a spirit person, they they are so intelligent.
00:48:47.539 --> 00:48:58.179
I just it blows my mind because obviously we can't even comprehend that they can use you with every memory ever in your consciousness and use that as a paintbrush, so to speak.
00:48:58.259 --> 00:49:01.860
It just it blows my mind that that's even a thing.
00:49:03.380 --> 00:49:10.179
It is, but I believe, I honestly believe that the spirit people they very carefully, very carefully pick their medium.
00:49:10.259 --> 00:49:19.539
And I I my belief is that they've they've probably prepared for a very long time for that one opportunity at that exact moment to come through and communicate.
00:49:19.699 --> 00:49:20.980
I I think I think it works.
00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:21.699
I think that works.
00:49:21.779 --> 00:49:29.299
If you've got a demonstration coming up next week and you look there now, you look at that demonstration now, the communicators will be there.
00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:46.500
And what and what that what that will be, if I if I exchange this out and that's your guide, your team, yes, and and you're the instrument of that guide, and you're a medium that says, I'm working with a lady that's mum's side of the family, which I think is a pointless statement.
00:49:46.659 --> 00:49:52.099
It's it's I'm not a fan of the of the statement, what because it's very restrictive.
00:49:52.339 --> 00:49:53.699
So now it is restrictive.
00:49:53.860 --> 00:50:06.739
So it's the now the communicator joins the guide to work with the instrument, and and this person will attempt to go in on the right side of this individual, and the guide's got to go, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.
00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:14.579
Because he'll say, fucking dad's side of the family, if you approach him from the right, you're gonna have to walk all the way around and approach him from the left.
00:50:14.819 --> 00:50:20.019
So that in effect becomes the instruction manual for this instrument.
00:50:20.819 --> 00:50:30.659
So now I go to my IP17 box and I pull out the instructions to see how to do the settings and how to do this, and I follow the instructions, and it worked fine.
00:50:30.980 --> 00:50:36.420
So you are an instrument, and the guide will be the instruction manual.
00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:39.380
So listen, my mediums is still developing.
00:50:39.619 --> 00:50:44.980
If you show him water, I don't know why, he'll say fishing.
00:50:45.299 --> 00:50:50.339
If you show him a nurse, I don't know why, he'll say hospital.
00:50:50.659 --> 00:50:53.860
So don't show him a nurse if you want to talk about the hospital.
00:50:54.019 --> 00:51:00.739
That is a conversation that has to take place behind the scenes, and I don't even know the conversation taking place.
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:08.900
So I want that instruction manual to say, give him exactly what you want him to say, because this idiot will say it.
00:51:09.860 --> 00:51:13.940
And so they talk to me about that, whatever that is.
00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:23.460
I want it literal as possible, and then I say it, and my accuracy then speaks for my my my development in my mediumship.
00:51:23.619 --> 00:51:24.659
Client says yes.
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:26.420
So I want it as literal as possible.
00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:32.500
I don't want to be dancing around the houses, don't want to be going all the way over there just to say that little thing there.
00:51:32.659 --> 00:51:35.860
I want it, you'll tell me what you want me to say, and I'll say it.
00:51:36.019 --> 00:51:37.460
No embellishment, no.
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:48.500
So my guide should say to the communicator at some point in my development, you know, give him exactly what you want him to say, and and this one will say it, he will say it.
00:51:48.739 --> 00:51:52.579
Or we can have that, you know, you're gonna have to show him butterfly.
00:51:52.900 --> 00:52:01.139
Well, there has to be something going on behind the scenes, and I imagine one the guy I imagine the guide almost handles like the bookings.
00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:04.659
I think my granddad is my version of that up there.
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:18.179
But I had to uh a little while ago have a conversation with my spirit team and say, look, guys, we need a total reset because you have been giving me nurse, and I have been saying hospital, and you have been giving me a boat, and I have been saying the sea.
00:52:18.259 --> 00:52:23.380
So I had to have a total reset and say, right, from this moment forward, I will just do as comes to me.
00:52:23.779 --> 00:52:24.099
Absolutely.
00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:26.900
And instantly everyone needs that reset.
00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:31.059
I think everyone needs that reset, everyone, because of the embellishment.
00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:44.019
And but the the problem is you'll watch a YouTube, you'll watch an American TV show, you'll watch something, and they make it sound great, but but you don't see the eight hours of editing that goes into it sounding great.
00:52:44.099 --> 00:52:45.219
You don't see that.
00:52:45.460 --> 00:52:47.619
And so you what you want is the raw file.
00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:52.019
You want to see it unedited, you want to see it put out there and watch the link unfold there.
00:52:52.179 --> 00:52:59.299
And most of it will be wrong, or you know, I can take that or get it validated at every step of the way, and it's like it's just not done.
00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:01.860
And that's where the raw files will come in.
00:53:02.019 --> 00:53:22.099
And and what mediums have got they've got this idea that I'll just make it sound a little bit better, and by adding just that little sprinkling of making it sound better, that they now move it to a no, they move it out of the the realm of acceptance uh for the client because of that little sprinkling.
00:53:22.179 --> 00:53:26.179
And most of the things that you're gonna describe, how would you describe this little sprinkling?
00:53:26.980 --> 00:53:27.940
What is this, Charlie?
00:53:28.179 --> 00:53:31.219
What they'll do is they'll talk about like an example.
00:53:31.460 --> 00:53:39.860
So let's say something like I know the man works with his hands, and my brain goes, what, as opposed to his ankles?
00:53:40.259 --> 00:53:42.339
What most people work with their hands, don't they?
00:53:42.500 --> 00:53:45.619
If they've got hands, if they're fortunate enough, they work with their hands.
00:53:45.940 --> 00:53:56.900
So what the medium then does is they'll say like they'll say like, for example, and it's the example that the client hears.
00:53:57.219 --> 00:54:14.420
So you know, this man's a risk taker, like, and and maybe he was a risk taker, maybe he was, but the medium feels like I want to do more, I want to sprinkle a little bit more on that, like cliff jumping, and they'll go and they'll say, No, he didn't do cliff jumping.
00:54:14.980 --> 00:54:34.099
And the medium now thinks they're wrong, yes, but they they never check in and say, Well, you don't understand him as a risk taker, and they'll say, Oh yeah, he was a risk taker, he just never jumps off mountains or cliffs, and so it's the example that the the client hears, and they just don't understand that, you know.
00:54:34.179 --> 00:54:37.619
So he's got like vices like drugs.
00:54:38.019 --> 00:54:41.940
Well, we had vices, but it wasn't drugs, so the example was wrong.
00:54:42.099 --> 00:54:45.940
Now, the example is that of the instrument, that of the medium.
00:54:46.259 --> 00:54:54.500
So, in your story, whatever your story is, wherever you've grown up, whatever your surroundings are, the the example will be to that environment.
00:54:54.739 --> 00:55:03.380
Now, if you're in the environment that's on a council of state that's run down, that's seen no investment, and drugs was a big thing, then your example will be drugs.
00:55:03.779 --> 00:55:12.179
If your example's living in the city, but it's a top-end cocktail restaurants, your example will be alcohol.
00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:18.420
And and so both examples lead back to the main subject.
00:55:18.739 --> 00:55:26.579
They had a vice, they abused something, to which they will say yes, but the medium gives the example, and that's where it will go wrong.
00:55:26.900 --> 00:55:32.980
So, so the way to learn or unlearn to do that is to get validated.
00:55:33.299 --> 00:55:35.699
So, so I say you'd understand your person.
00:55:36.019 --> 00:55:37.940
Oh, I love it when you get your pen back out.
00:55:38.259 --> 00:55:40.339
You'd understand that they had vices.
00:55:40.659 --> 00:55:41.139
Check in.
00:55:41.299 --> 00:55:43.219
You understand they had vices, yes.
00:55:43.460 --> 00:55:44.420
Add a layer.
00:55:45.139 --> 00:55:54.179
You'd understand that to be cocktails, no, but you do understand this yes energy that they had vices, yes, move on.
00:55:54.420 --> 00:55:59.619
But you're moving on in a yes energy, not trying to fix something that you don't know which one was wrong.
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:04.819
I know exactly which bit I got wrong, and it's usually where I added the example.
00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:07.940
So you're in your head, you'll have jewelry.
00:56:08.420 --> 00:56:09.779
In your head, you'll have jewelry.
00:56:09.860 --> 00:56:14.659
So if I ask Carol, give me an item of jewelry, like says signify it, she'll probably say a ring.
00:56:14.900 --> 00:56:18.019
And then with you, it may be a necklace or a watch.
00:56:18.579 --> 00:56:20.099
Now both are jewellery.
00:56:20.339 --> 00:56:27.059
So your example will be, I need to talk about this special item of jewellery, like a watch, and I'll say, No, I haven't got his watch.
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:32.980
But but Carol will get lucky because she's working with a lady, and her example will be the ring.
00:56:33.139 --> 00:56:38.739
So she'll say, I need to talk about a special item of jewelry, like a ring, and she'll go, Oh, I've got the ring.
00:56:39.219 --> 00:56:42.900
And the medium thinks they said that, but they didn't.
00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:45.699
They gave an example and they got lucky.
00:56:46.179 --> 00:56:56.900
So so now if I say, check in with you would understand this special item of jewelry, so I check in, they say yes, and then I say you would understand that to be a ring.
00:56:57.380 --> 00:57:01.940
Then the client says yes, then everyone's like, always good.
00:57:03.619 --> 00:57:04.659
And that's the difference.
00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:07.619
Yeah, I just check in, I just check in.
00:57:07.779 --> 00:57:09.380
That's the only difference there.
00:57:09.619 --> 00:57:12.420
And I make sure that I'm not using examples.
00:57:12.659 --> 00:57:14.739
So with my communicator, what am I saying?
00:57:14.900 --> 00:57:17.219
Nick talk about a special item of jewelry, okay?
00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:18.579
What is that item?
00:57:18.819 --> 00:57:22.179
And then they show me a ring, then that'll be yes, yes.
00:57:22.339 --> 00:57:24.339
So, but I get two yeses.
00:57:24.819 --> 00:57:31.779
You're keeping the power and you're constantly building the power because the validation, you know, I do that quite quite a lot.
00:57:31.940 --> 00:57:35.539
I will constantly check in, but it's a very can you understand that?
00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:35.940
I agree.
00:57:37.380 --> 00:57:37.619
I won't.
00:57:38.019 --> 00:57:39.860
You'll get annoyed with your own voice though.
00:57:40.019 --> 00:57:45.299
There's no doctor in the land that says, right, open your mouth and say, uh, and they're not sick of saying that.
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:46.099
Yes.
00:57:46.339 --> 00:57:51.860
So so you'll always be like, and you would accept, you understand, you can, you can validate.
00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:55.940
You you find different ways of saying you you get that, right?
00:57:56.500 --> 00:57:58.099
Yes, there's different ways of doing that.
00:57:58.179 --> 00:57:59.219
You'll you'll get over that.
00:57:59.299 --> 00:58:04.819
There's the terminology, you'll play with your language, and and you'll get through, but you do need to hear the yes.
00:58:05.059 --> 00:58:09.779
And and what I mean is that I've watched mediums where they go on a mad, mad rant.
00:58:10.019 --> 00:58:15.539
And so if if let's say, let's say, let's take your your granddad, for example.
00:58:15.619 --> 00:58:41.539
So I could say, well, Jason, I've got your granddad that wants to step forward, and he's showing me that he used to steal motorbikes, and he would used to cut them up, and he would sell them for parts, and you know, he'll sell them to the local traveller community, and then he would go and steal them again, and he would make all that money again, and you know, and then he would he he started this drug business in the greenhouse where he was growing marijuana, and you'd understand that your granddad had a funny stance, Jason.
00:58:41.779 --> 00:58:53.059
And what you'll say there is yes, yes, yeah, and everyone in the room's like he stole motorbikes and sold drugs, but you didn't agree to that.
00:58:53.139 --> 00:58:59.779
You agreed to the stance, yes, and so you're like, no, no, no, no, no, hold on a minute.
00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:07.299
You're over talking, you're making this sound like a wonderful story, but none of it's validated.
00:59:07.619 --> 00:59:22.420
And so it I watched one do it where they were like, I'm working with your dad, and I know that I'm in foreign lands, and they've got a vineyard, and they they that you've got this family-run business where the wine is sold, um, and and then they went into like pigs and a pig farm.
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:25.380
Uh, and you you understand that your dad smokes.
00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:27.460
And the woman said yes.
00:59:27.860 --> 00:59:34.019
And I I looked at her because I was in the audience and I looked at her and I was like, right, I'm collaring her after the dem.
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:36.819
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go get that woman.
00:59:36.980 --> 00:59:44.179
So I went out, the dem finished, I went out and I said, So your family runs wine, like like grows wine and manufactures wine.
00:59:44.339 --> 00:59:44.819
She went, no.
00:59:44.900 --> 00:59:47.139
And I said, Well, what about the pigs and the pig farm?
00:59:47.299 --> 00:59:48.179
And she went, no.
00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:52.019
I said, So out of all of that, your dad smoked, and she went, yeah.
00:59:52.339 --> 00:59:54.339
I was like, oh my god.
00:59:54.659 --> 00:59:57.779
Then I started watching mediums do it all the time.
00:59:58.099 --> 01:00:02.420
And I was like, Oh, we can't be working like that.
01:00:02.579 --> 01:00:04.099
That's that's wrong.
01:00:04.339 --> 01:00:08.659
We need validating every step of the way after placement.
01:00:08.819 --> 01:00:10.819
So I understand you need three or four bits.
01:00:11.059 --> 01:00:16.259
So you've got a man, you know, he owns his own business, but actually he died on holiday.
01:00:16.339 --> 01:00:18.579
I I believe this to be dad, where am I?
01:00:18.819 --> 01:00:19.619
Hand goes up.
01:00:19.779 --> 01:00:23.699
From that point, every statement should be validated.
01:00:23.860 --> 01:00:29.299
Everything there's a lot in the presentation, in the timing, in the building of the energy.
01:00:29.460 --> 01:00:42.739
And this is why at the very beginning, you've just got to accept that you are experimenting, you've got to take the pressure off yourself, you've got to just not even be bothered by a no, because a no is part of the experimentation.
01:00:42.980 --> 01:00:51.539
The reality is if I connect with the spirit world, no matter what I talk about, if I connect with the spirit world, and it can be mundane, it can be boring, it could be whatever.
01:00:51.779 --> 01:01:00.019
But if you in your heart believe in that moment that granddad can't say, hiya, Jason, then the job is done.
01:01:00.179 --> 01:01:03.619
He's gonna be elated, you feel great and move on.
01:01:03.860 --> 01:01:13.059
I think we all want the Netflix documentary crew around us, we want the bank account that supports it, and we want everyone to know that we're good.
01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:25.860
And until we get beyond that and the service of let me heal your broken heart, let me ease that mind of you, and I'm gonna do that via this person that steps forward, and then I just disappear, mate.
01:01:26.259 --> 01:01:27.779
You won't find me after the den.
01:01:28.420 --> 01:01:35.619
I I'm getting changed, I'm getting out of a suit, I'm flicking on my hat, and I'm gonna smoke a cigarette, and I leave Carol to deal with it all.
01:01:35.940 --> 01:01:37.940
So I'm out the fire exit.
01:01:38.019 --> 01:01:39.619
I want to get away as far as possible.
01:01:39.699 --> 01:01:48.980
I just want to go home and eat a bit of pizza and just chill out because I did what I needed to do, and I don't really want all the admiration because it feels a bit fake.
01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:50.579
I didn't do anything.
01:01:50.739 --> 01:02:00.900
This dad turned up and made his daughter cry because of the memories, and then this woman turned up and made her husband cry because of all the memories, and everyone's like, Well done, Charlie.
01:02:01.380 --> 01:02:04.179
And I feel like I didn't do it.
01:02:04.420 --> 01:02:06.179
I guess you got to that point.
01:02:07.299 --> 01:02:11.059
I said what they wanted me to say, and they've made me look good.
01:02:11.299 --> 01:02:18.019
And so I feel like when they want to tell you like that was good, it feels like a bit of a false accolade.
01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:20.980
So I just escape, I just get out of the way.
01:02:21.299 --> 01:02:24.500
So it's you're the receiver at the end of the day, aren't you?
01:02:24.659 --> 01:02:29.539
You're well, that's all I that's all my phone's not like how good am I, Charlie.
01:02:29.699 --> 01:02:31.779
I sent that message to Jason for you.
01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:34.739
Very quickly, I'd be like, Carol, I need a new phone.
01:02:34.819 --> 01:02:35.619
This one's going off.
01:02:35.699 --> 01:02:37.299
Like, it does not shut up.
01:02:38.179 --> 01:02:40.579
Get rid of it, it's just got a mind of its own.
01:02:40.900 --> 01:02:42.500
But it but it is, isn't it?
01:02:42.579 --> 01:02:44.579
And so it just I just find it much easier.
01:02:44.739 --> 01:02:50.739
Now, I understand that you want to be good, you want to be of service, and you want to be that clear thought.
01:02:50.819 --> 01:02:58.179
I understand that, and I think you need that fire in your belly to be able to tidy this these statements up, when to check in, what to do.
01:02:58.420 --> 01:03:04.420
So there is a tremendous amount of work that goes into your discipline and your your ego and all of that.
01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:05.940
And I completely get that.
01:03:06.019 --> 01:03:09.860
And that is a well done, you, Jason, for putting the work in.
01:03:10.099 --> 01:03:14.659
But now I I think at that point is when the real work starts.
01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:15.380
Yeah.
01:03:15.619 --> 01:03:17.299
Now we go and save people.
01:03:17.460 --> 01:03:23.539
Now we go heal people, now we go and do the real work that that you've put all that effort into.
01:03:23.940 --> 01:03:27.779
Now we go and save the the the people, their minds, their hearts.
01:03:28.420 --> 01:03:29.619
That's how I kind of feel.
01:03:29.779 --> 01:03:30.420
That's how I feel.
01:03:30.500 --> 01:03:32.500
I feel like I've got my cape on now.
01:03:32.579 --> 01:03:36.739
I want to go and the reality is you want to save the world, don't you?
01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:41.460
You see, and you're so sensitive, and you're like, this is this is terrible.
01:03:41.619 --> 01:03:43.299
We need this and we need that.
01:03:43.699 --> 01:03:48.500
And so I I get you we've all got that feeling of like we can save the world.
01:03:48.579 --> 01:03:51.619
Really, we can if we changed everyone's mind and da-da-da.
01:03:52.019 --> 01:03:53.779
Just some people don't want it.
01:03:54.019 --> 01:03:57.139
And equally, there's just so many.
01:03:57.940 --> 01:03:58.579
What are we at?
01:03:58.739 --> 01:04:00.339
Nine billion on the planet now.
01:04:00.500 --> 01:04:01.139
Nine billion.
01:04:01.219 --> 01:04:03.059
Like, I'll take four and a half, Jason.
01:04:03.299 --> 01:04:05.460
You'll have to take the other four and half.
01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:08.420
So we've got a lot of work to go and do, haven't we?
01:04:08.819 --> 01:04:10.739
So there is a lot to be done.
01:04:11.860 --> 01:04:12.739
Yeah, absolutely.
01:04:12.819 --> 01:04:14.659
It's loads, loads and loads to do.
01:04:14.739 --> 01:04:23.460
It's just uh I think I just think like when you feel like I'm getting there, I think that's actually the start of it.
01:04:24.259 --> 01:04:25.059
I believe so.
01:04:25.299 --> 01:04:34.579
I we've we've gone through all the traumas and the clearing up and addressing the ego and presentation and discipline, and now we begin.
01:04:34.659 --> 01:04:35.059
Let's go.
01:04:35.299 --> 01:04:37.779
It's almost like uh to use your telephone analogy.
01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:41.139
The phone's just had a cleanup, all the fluff's been taken out of the speaker.
01:04:41.299 --> 01:04:42.659
Now I'm ready to communicate.
01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:43.539
Now you can hear.
01:04:43.619 --> 01:04:45.699
Yeah, now you can all the mucks gone, Charlie.
01:04:45.779 --> 01:04:46.579
All the mucks gone.
01:04:47.059 --> 01:04:47.860
Exactly that.
01:04:48.019 --> 01:04:49.380
So yeah.
01:04:50.019 --> 01:04:54.819
But but equally, I I completely get the passion I've got for the subject.
01:04:54.980 --> 01:04:57.299
I completely get that someone just wants to dabble.
01:04:57.380 --> 01:05:00.099
They don't want to do it full-time, or I completely get it.
01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:02.579
It's amazing, you know.
01:05:02.900 --> 01:05:15.699
But I I just can't, with the the skill set that you go through in development and the knowledge that you acquire, I couldn't live with myself if I sat at home and wasn't sharing that with people.
01:05:15.940 --> 01:05:18.099
It just yeah, I just couldn't do it.
01:05:18.259 --> 01:05:25.860
So it's like I I've stumbled across this magic, and it's almost like I'm treating it like I'm Gollum.
01:05:25.940 --> 01:05:27.699
It's my precious, it's my ring.
01:05:27.860 --> 01:05:29.539
I don't want to give it to anyone.
01:05:29.699 --> 01:05:32.259
And I think the gift is misinterpreted.
01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:33.460
We're to give it away.
01:05:33.619 --> 01:05:36.420
Go give the conversation away, go give that away.
01:05:36.659 --> 01:05:40.980
I don't think I've fully come to the acceptance that I'm a full-time medium.
01:05:41.139 --> 01:05:43.139
I feel that, but do you know what it is?
01:05:43.299 --> 01:05:59.219
I feel that I'm gonna do other things in business, but I the reason I feel that I am gonna end up getting pulled fully into mediumship is because of the service and the fact I think it's just well, to be honest with you, it takes up so much of my time anyway, mediumship.
01:05:59.860 --> 01:06:11.779
I think the problem we've got is we've got like we've got a history, you know, and yeah, you you look at that history, and I could go grab a book from down here, and there's one by Estelle Roberts there, and I could go, oh, I'm never as good as her.
01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:14.579
I then I don't feel like I'm a full-time medium.
01:06:14.739 --> 01:06:17.940
And I could look over there and I can see that Emma Hardy's Britain one.
01:06:18.099 --> 01:06:20.259
I'm like, well, her story was much harder than mine.
01:06:20.420 --> 01:06:26.179
I don't think I'm a full time medium, but but but it's 2026 now, it's very, very different.
01:06:26.339 --> 01:06:32.179
The times are very, very different, and I think it's evolved in that way that is very accepting now.
01:06:32.339 --> 01:06:35.699
That them two books that I've mentioned, you were crucified for it, you know.
01:06:35.779 --> 01:06:37.860
Like, so it's like it's a different.
01:06:38.259 --> 01:06:45.539
Different time, and I just think that comparison deep down in our head is I'm never going down as a pioneer.
01:06:45.779 --> 01:06:48.819
Maybe I this ain't a full-time job for me.
01:06:49.219 --> 01:07:00.420
And you know, if you read the ones of like you know, of recent times, it'll be the big famous figures that you're comfortable with that you've paid the ticket to go to the theatre and see them and and go from there.
01:07:00.579 --> 01:07:02.500
But you the comparison's there, isn't it?
01:07:02.579 --> 01:07:03.699
It's like, could I do that?
01:07:03.779 --> 01:07:05.460
I don't think I could do that as good.
01:07:05.619 --> 01:07:07.699
Maybe I'm not a full-time medium.
01:07:07.940 --> 01:07:11.299
And I I think those elements chip away at us.
01:07:11.539 --> 01:07:12.179
They do.
01:07:12.339 --> 01:07:16.659
You've got to, and I know this, step into that power.
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And even no matter what I do, I I learned in sales, I think, through the hard way, of just I always wanted to be number one, always want to be at the top.
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But I learned by focusing on someone else, by saying I want to be that person, you are not, you need to just focus on being the best that you can be within yourself.
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And that's all I can do after every Dem, after every class, after every residential.
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Can I sit down and say I gave that my best shot?
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Which in my head is my discipline.
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I must do those things.
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And and I'm comfortable in I'd done everything I could.
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There was And you must lock that cage door.
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You must lock that, Charlie.
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Absolutely.
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I wish some people would lock their cage door.
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I know, I know.
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Tell me about it.
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Um well it's been lovely, my dear, to have you back on.
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Leave us with a final thought today.
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The final thought is I think I've been doing I've been teaching a lot in the last couple of weeks, and and there's this like repetition of what's going on.
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So whether you're beginner or all the way through advanced in development, and and I've been using a deck of cards.
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So if I hold up a deck of cards and I say to you, pick a card, and you pick the ace of spades, you disregard the other 51 cards of that pile.
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Your awareness is out there hunting for the ace of spades.
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And let's say I turn 10 cards and there is no awareness put on it until that 11th card is the ace, the ace of spades, the ace of diamonds, whatever one was that I said.
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But that doesn't disregard everything that else went before it.
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And mediums in development, beginner, intermediate, advanced professional, have got their eyes set on their ace of spades, and they're forgetting that there were 10 cards before it.
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And if we can open up our awareness to talk about all the things that need talking about, maybe it won't start as a man in his 70s that died of a heart attack.
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It'll be more to the point of who this man actually is, the important statements that we need to give.
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So there'll be a three of clubs and a seven of diamonds and a ten of hearts that are actually more important than the ace of spades.
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But our attention, our awareness is only looking for the ace of spades.
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And I think that's really, really important that we look beyond gender, relation, passing, etc.
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We can get the fuller story out there, and most people will benefit from broadening their awareness to talk about the more random thing to the median, but more importantly, the most important things for the client.
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Service.
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Get to the emotions.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Charlie Kelly.
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All that leaves me to say is thank you for coming onto the SoulSync.
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As always, thank you for having me.
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That's always my pleasure.
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Well, wasn't that a really interesting, thought-provoking conversation?
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I do uh agree with Charlie that I always find that my mediumship is definitely the most powerful when I am absorbing myself in the feelings of the message rather than getting lost in the technical detail.
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Um as always, I was sitting there making a number of notes, scribbling away.
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Um at the moment I do have an open diary to some extent to do mediumship tarot psychic reading.
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So if you feel called to have one, you can book just by going to jasonpaulmedium.com on my website, and I look very forward to seeing you then.
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But until next time, lots of love.