Stop Chasing CPMs: How Community, Feedback, and Newsletters Future‑Proof Your Podcast

When your CPMs start shrinking and programmatic ads feel like a losing game, it’s easy to wonder if podcasting is still worth it. In this episode, I want to show you a different path—one that doesn’t depend on ad tech behaving itself. I’m going to walk you through why community beats downloads, how smart feedback (like what Jack Rhysider does) can radically improve your show before it ever launches, and how simple tools like newsletters and Podpage can help you build a deeper relationship with your audience so your podcast is future‑proof, no matter what happens to ad rates.

I heard it from on the Podbiz Show. Hall of Famer Leo Laporte shares a bit of history with ads, and Podfather Adam Curry explains how to future-proof your podcast. Brian Barletta explains how we need to move on from trying to get stats that are not possible, and focus on growing the industry.

I also talk about how I was inspired by writer Talyor Sheridan cold care less about the critics. He write the way he wants to write, about what he wants to write about and now his audience has found him and he is making a killing.

Geddy Lee has been performing in the band Rush for 50+ years and yet he still takes time to evaluate his playing. When we try to market "Meh" content we are wasting our time.

Sounds Profitable has released the Podcast Atlas Report which approaches the industry from the creators point of view. Some great insights into clips, newsletters, and more.

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• If you're feeling stuck with your podcast due to falling ad revenues, listen up!
• Forget chasing ad dollars; focus on building a loyal community that supports your podcasting journey.
• The real gold in podcasting isn’t just downloads; it’s about creating genuine connections with your listeners.
• Ads might be declining, but trust me, building a community will make your podcast thrive in the long run.
• The future of podcasting is all about community and trust, not just numbers on a screen.
• If you want to grow your podcast, start by picking one simple thing to engage with your audience.

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