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Former deputy prime minister Anne McLellan and former foreign affairs minister John Baird join Allan Gregg and Edward Greenspon to recount recent candid exchanges with Chinese counterparts and reflect on three fascinating decades of ups and downs in Canada's second-most important bilateral relationship. Amidst our troubles with the U.S, how can today’s policymakers find a path between foreign interference and forced labour on one side and the most viable economic alternative on the other
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