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Welcome to Daddy's Podcast. This is the Redefining
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Plastics Podcast. Welcome to the Redefining Plastics
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Podcast. My name's Justin Riney. Got a guest
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today, Camillo Farro with Rawz. We're going
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to talk a little bit about new technologies and
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new outlets for plastics. So Camillo, welcome
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to the show. Why don't you tell the folks a little
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bit about yourself, who you are, and what is
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Rawz? Yeah, excellent. Thank you. Thank you,
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Justin, for having me on today and giving us
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the space to talk about this innovative technology.
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As Justin mentioned, my name is Camilo Farrow,
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and I am part of the ROS team. ROS technology
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is a brand new technology. We just received a
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U .S. patent at the end of 2022, and the technology
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stands for returns to air, water, and soil. And
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to summarize, essentially what the technology
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does is we chemically change plastics. When the
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plastic is no longer going to serve its purpose
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in this usage, and it's not going to be recycled,
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and it's going to go to a landfill, we're chemically
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changing the plastic. So it's a technology that
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gets added to the plastic pre -extrusion. It
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can be injection molded. It can be thermal forming.
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It can be blown film. Any way we're going to
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make a plastic, you add the technology to the
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plastic. And when that plastic is now being converted
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to a plastic bag, a diaper, any of the best usages
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that we have for plastics, that product will
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be a hundred percent biodegradable. That's in
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short what the technology is. And obviously we'll
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go dive a little bit deeper into it. Yeah. Cause
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I got a ton of questions, right? The first thing
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I hear when I hear anything like that, I think
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oxodegradable, I think just breaking material
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down into smaller pieces. So ultimately you're
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talking about taking it back to Like biomass,
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right? That's what we're talking about. Like
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that's all that's left. Like there's no polymer
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left at the end of the day. That's exactly what
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happens, Justin. And thank you for bringing up
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the oxal degradable because that's always a conversation.
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Naturally, we have day in and day out. The technology,
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one, we don't fragment the plastic. So we're
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not breaking plastic apart where all of a sudden
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you end up with microplastics. We're diving into
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the actual chemistry of a plastic. where we're
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chemically changing the plastic. So we are breaking
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it down from your polymer, lowering the molecular
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weight down to a monomer and the process continues
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to go to eventually what remains would be this
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biomass or ketone and aldehyde that are all part
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of the carbonyl group. And that's what we do
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as the technology does. So is this like a free
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radical system or you want to talk a little bit
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about whatever you're comfortable with sharing?
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Do you want to talk a little bit about the technology
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and maybe how it works without divulging any
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proprietary information, obviously? Yeah, no,
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no, no, of course. So we utilize a thermal degradation
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pathway. So we use free radicals. You know that
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we utilize the free radicals to start depolymerizing
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that polymer. The big difference between us and
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also degradable technologies or even some of
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the technologies like enzyme mediated technologies
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is where we will work aerobically and anaerobically.
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And we don't need the oxygen nor the enzymes
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to start biodegrading the plastic. We only need
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two components to this is thermal, but we need
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at least 77 degrees Fahrenheit, which is pretty
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warm. And when we look at landfill temperatures,
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across first world countries and properly maintain
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landfills, for the audience to know, it's anywhere
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between 90 degrees Fahrenheit and all the way
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up to 140 degrees Fahrenheit. So the heat in
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the landfill is a fairy eye up. So the technology,
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as long as we have 77 degrees Fahrenheit and
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some humidity, technology is going to get activated.
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We're going to start attracting those few radicals
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and going to start depolymerizing the plastic.
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What about the before? If you're making a bag.
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and you're walking around, it's 77 degrees outside,
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is that going to start depalmerizing while you're
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walking? What's to protect that product before
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it hits the window when you want it to start
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to break down? Like when it gets into a landfill?
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Because obviously my goal is to keep it out of
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landfill. And I don't think you're advocating
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for putting stuff into a landfill. You're just
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saying that if it's going to end up in a landfill,
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Let's have this stuff in there, so it breaks
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it down, so it just becomes biomass, so it's
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natural at the end of its life cycle. That's
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correct, Justin. We want recycling. Obviously,
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we want recycling to continue to take place.
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But we're aware that a lot of these plastics,
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one, don't get recycled or don't end up in the
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proper recycling stream. And where do they end
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up? They're going to end up in a landfill. So
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in that scenario, when that happens... you have
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a technology now when it does end up in a landfill
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is going to completely degrade, not leaving any
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microclastics behind leaching out into the potential
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environment. Back to your earlier question on
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kind of how do we stop it from me walking around
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from a grocery store or it's starting to rain
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and all of a sudden the bag completely rips on
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us. Happened last night with the wife and I,
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we had some Chipotle and some of the salsa was
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going into our paper bag. We got out of the car.
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Disaster. Chipotle ball all over the place. My
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wife's Quesadillas are on the street. A mess.
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So we want to avoid that. Paper bags are the
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worst for food takeout. I cannot with paper bags
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for food takeout. It was a disaster. But knowing
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that, to avoid that, what we do with the technology
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is we have a stall date. So we're able to create
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the technology to give us a stall date between
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six months all the way up to four years. And
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we have some customers now that have asked us
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to start testing it up to six years. So the technology
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won't get activated plus or minus three months
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from that stall date. Follow -up point to this,
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how do we do that? We're able to adjust it with
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proprietary UV blockers and thermal blockers
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for the technology, depending on where the product
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is going to end up. And those will start to break
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down over time. I'm assuming it's a master batch.
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So as that master batch starts to break down
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over time, then that UV protection will then
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be gone, right? And then it will start the process.
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So that's - From a high level, very unscientifically,
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that's what we're talking about. I want to make
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sure everybody understands what we're saying
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here. Very high level. That's the way it works
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with live testing that we've done. Like for example,
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mulch film. We know mulch film. issue with plastic
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mulch film, how much we needed for our crops,
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right? We need it, we can get away from it. But
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we also know that a big problem with that is
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the mulch film that ends up lasting in the farm
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once the crop has grown. We have been very successful
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in adjusting the film to last different temperature
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ranges and different time ranges based on the
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actual crop that's needed. And we're able to
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do this by also adjusting some of the UV blockers.
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seen at that 10, 11 hours under the sun, we're
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adjusting it accordingly based on what the customer
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and the crop yield is needed. You guys running
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into anybody challenging you on this, like pushing
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back saying, hey, that's going to be microplastics
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or are you running into any of that? Because
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that's the first thing that I think of. And I
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actually know more about this than most. And
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I can only imagine. if you're talking to regulators
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or you're talking to brands, that's going to
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be the first thing that's going to pop into their
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brain. Oh, yeah. Yes. A little background, Justin,
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on the technology too. The technology, it's been
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around now since 2018. The technology was first
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created in 2018. We applied for the patents in
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2020 and then we started getting the patents
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in 2022. So we now have approximately five years
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of testing data and scientific data that verifies
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that no microplastics remain. And that is naturally
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the biggest concern when we first got into the
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technology. How do we actually prove this? You're
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telling us that you're eliminating microplastics,
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but give us the data. Show me the science that
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actually tells me that this is what you have.
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And that's what we've been able to do. Okay.
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So as you know, as far as non -microplastic verification,
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that it is still fairly newer in the world of
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people understanding what it is and then how
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it's going to our brains, our lungs, et cetera.
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There's very few testing protocols and processes
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to follow. The one that is very prominent is
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an ISO standard. An ISO standard called 24187.
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It's so new, it just got finalized at the end
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of 2023. And we follow those specific ISO standards
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that verify no microplastics remain. Now, they
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utilize some of the standard machines you're
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going to be aware of, and some of your audience
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is going to be aware of, like an STIR, GSMC,
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a GPC, and different spectrometry range machines,
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for lack of a better scientific word. So we do
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follow those ISO standards. And we do take it
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one step further and we have partnered up with
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Northern Illinois University to continue to follow
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up and test these remnants that verify no microplastics
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remain. There's so many different ways we can
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go with this conversation. But I think the one
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thing that always comes back from like a packaging
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perspective is what does this do to performance
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on any kind of application. So if I'm making
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a plastic bag, we've talked about that a couple
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times. Is that going to degrade the performance?
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Am I going to have the same kind of tear resistance?
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Am I going to have the same kind of strength?
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Because I'm assuming it's a very low letdown.
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And letdown for those that don't know that's
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the amount of percentage that you're going to
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put this product in in a blend to make the finished
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product. But my assumption is that there's really
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no property changes that are gonna be to the
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finished product because you're gonna put it
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in at such a low percentage. But have you checked
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that? Have you done any kind of testing to see
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if there's any kind of change from a property
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perspective? Justin, that's correct. It's a 1
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% lead down that gets added to the three types
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of plastic we currently work with. So we currently
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work with polypropylene, polyethylene. and any
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of the derivatives to the olefin family. And
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then we work with PET, and it's all at a 1 %
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letdown. It does not affect any of the characteristics,
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tensile strength, coloring of the plastic during
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that process. The only time you're going to start
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seeing the effects is once we've started to degrade
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the actual product itself. Before the degradation,
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you won't see any effects of the technology.
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Just to give you an idea and for the audience
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that's looking at us visually, if you're hearing
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us, you won't be able to see this, but just to
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give you an idea on the technology itself. So
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this was a seven layer fruit cup that was created
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in June of 2022. And then you can see closely,
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I'll try to apply it into as much as a camera.
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The technology has already been activated. So
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we're chemically changing the plastic. You can
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notice the cracking that's starting to take place
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on the cup. But more importantly than the cracking,
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that's important, but this is seven layers. The
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layers are starting to ship apart. Now, this
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was done almost three years ago, and it was in
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our office with over 77 degrees Fahrenheit, and
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it's starting to do its job. If the fruit cup
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was in distribution, it was in its closed box
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while it was going through the process, you wouldn't
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see any changes to the product until it needs
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to start doing it. So my background is in films
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So I'm curious have you looked at adding this
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technology into any kind of bond layers like
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between like a multi -layer flexible film where
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then they could start to break apart at the end
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of life because Just you pulling that apart right
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there was like maybe we can find a way to like
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break these films back into their Their different
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structures because you know mono films great
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I like the idea, but there are some applications
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that high density polyethylene is not there yet.
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So we can't do like the same kind of barrier
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that we need. So maybe there's a way to take
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this kind of technology and have the layers break
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apart at the end to make recycling easier. Is
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this something you've looked into at all? We'd
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have to. We've looked into multi -layer packaging
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and we can completely break down multi -layer
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packaging. that's similar to the fruit cup that
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I showed. We have done packaging in the past
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for 7 -Eleven in Hong Kong, a multi -layer packaging
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for 7 -Eleven, so natural EBOH and BOPP. And
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here in the States, we do have some commitments
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from a fairly large CPG company that's starting
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to trial out some of the BOPP packaging with
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multi -layer spore them. As far as breaking down
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that polymer, and then utilizing some of the
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monomers back to what chemical recycling could
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do. That'd be some of the testing that we'd have
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to go down the path, which we haven't done. I
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was just curious. These are things that pop into
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my brain when I see people pull layers apart.
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Oh yeah. Well, you're in the industry, right?
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And you see this day in and day out. So you get
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the fresh ability to brainstorm or come up with
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different ideas on how we can do this. One of
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the important points that I'd like to bring up,
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and we mentioned recycling, the technology does
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not affect your recycling stream. So if you are
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going to utilize recycling, if you want to use,
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let's say a t -shirt bag or a recycled polypropylene
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container, and it's got the technology in it,
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when that container goes to the recycling system,
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it can still be recycled. Is it burned off? Do
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you have to repelatize it though? If you wanted
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to re -add raw material to the recycled pellet,
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yes, you would have to add that 1%. It does burn
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it off because of the heat of recycling. It's
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going to completely dilute the additive away,
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and it's at that 1 % let down. So we melt it
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completely. So as long as it's re -extruded at
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some point, so if it's being made back into another
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bag, it's going to have to go through an extruder
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again. And you're saying the temperature within
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the extruder is going to burn off the... additive
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that would break down, so then you can recycle
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it, so you don't have to worry about it contaminating
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recycle streams. Because that would have been
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one of my next questions. It's like, how does
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this impact something that we want to make circular?
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For some reason, it ends up in the recycle stream.
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I want to make sure that that recycled product's
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not breaking down in two weeks, because there's
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some kind of additive in there. The temperature
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that we're melting or reciting polypropylene
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P polyacrylamide PET is so high. It just melts
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the technology away. And then once you have that
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recycled resin, if you wanted to, let's say back
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to your 30 % recycled resin, 70 % virgin, if
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you wanted to make that plastic again, completely
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biodegradable. you would add that 1 % raws to
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it to continue that process again. Where are
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you guys at on scale, production? Is this all
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lab work? Are you currently commercial? Kind
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of give us a little breakdown on a status of
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where you're at today as far as a company. Yeah,
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as far as a company goes, so we launched into
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the US marketplace approximately 2023. soft launch
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and then really had an aggressive push into the
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market in 2024. Once we received all of our different
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data that we needed, excuse me, in scientific
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verification, we got into a major grocery store
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in the Northeast where they were using some of
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our produce bags and their technology was in
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the produce bags. And then from there, we started
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having conversations with some Fortune 500s,
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Fortune 1000 companies, both on the brand side
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and on the resin side. And today we do have a
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couple of large organizations that are testing
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out non -woven polypropylene for diapers. Diapers
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being, for example, a perfect solution for this
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type of technology. You're not going to recycle
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a diaper. You're not going to recycle a diaper.
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And we look at one of the contents of diapers,
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polyethylene and polypropylene. So we can complete,
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break that down. So we have a large brand that's
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currently testing the non -woven. uh right now
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with the technology and really good news we're
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getting some great results on the biodegrade
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degradation already on anaerobically uh so that's
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exciting mentioned earlier we do have a cpg company
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that's committed to start testing on their product
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as well and then we're finally finalizing some
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other testing with some other food service items
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uh and hardware items as well uh so we're we're
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definitely generating momentum gaining traction
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Um, and more importantly, we just received our
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last, our latest testing result that proves,
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uh, a 0 .5 mm plastic sheet. So that's a pretty
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thick piece of plastic. And aerobically, we degraded
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it, uh, in 996 days. Okay. Complete degradation,
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99 .62 CO2 release. Uh, no methane was released.
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The only methane that came out. of the testing
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was based on the soil that was used as an oculum.
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Where my mind goes, because I'm a home composter.
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Is this something that if my home compost is
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hot enough, it will break down over time? But
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I'm guessing, so I'm not in a tropical climate,
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obviously, so it's not 77 plus degrees year round.
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is in there in the summer, and then it gets cold
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in the winter, what does that do? Does it just
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stop the process, and then once it gets warm
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again, then the process begins again? I guess
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these are the kind of questions that I have,
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because if I wanted to take something like that
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and home compost it, I don't like the idea of
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it taking 900 some odd days, but, you know, like,
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let's just say I wanted to. Is that something
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that you've tested? Is that possible? Yeah, so
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on the home compost -y side, kudos, I'm a home
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composter as well. love composting and actually
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kudos to all the community composters. Cause
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you look at the folks that are picking up the
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compost from our buckets. You know, I'm calling
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them from the city of Chicago. I'm in the middle
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of the city and I'm able to compost day in and
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day out. So, and it's really small businesses
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that are going around there and picking up the
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composting. So kudos to them. But yeah, so back
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to your earlier question, not to go into composting
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too much. But yeah, technically the product will
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compost. in your home compost and in an industrial
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compost, because we're doing the same process
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that a poly, a PLA product is going to go through,
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right? Once that process of degradation happens,
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we're changing the chemistry. That's simply what
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we're doing. We're changing chemistry. So because
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we're changing the chemistry and de -polymerizing
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it, that piece of plastic will compost in your
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home compost or your industrial. It's just not
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going to get it at the time that you want it.
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When you look at ASTM or BPI, they tell you 90
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% within 180 days in their facilities. The technology
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is not meant to do that. We're meant to have
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a longer shelf life for products that we know,
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one, are really never meant to be composted in
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the first place. And then two, that are not going
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to get composted. Those are the products that
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we know we want to really work with because they
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don't have other solutions out there. I like
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looking for new solutions for things that don't
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happen today. How did you get into this? So coming
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back to composting, I've been in the packaging
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industry since 2009. I started a composting bag
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business. Okay. So back in 2009, 2010, that was
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really composting and compostables were barely
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ever being talked about, right? So I was just,
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I was closing up an old business that I had with
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the economy turning in 2009. long story short,
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you know, like every entrepreneur goes, not everyone,
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but a lot of entrepreneurs go through this. What
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am I going to do? Cars being repossessed, being
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evicted from my apartment. I mean, the list goes
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on. And I came across this concept of biodegradable.
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And then I started doing my research and I started
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understanding what was biodegradable and what
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was compostable. So I put a business together
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where we were importing compostable shopping
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bags into the marketplace. in 2009, 2010, and
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I started getting involved with Chicago city
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council, started getting involved with different
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municipalities that were looking to do bad bans,
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but pushing and understanding that compostable
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bags was going to increase composting and help
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develop more composting and increase the infrastructure
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of forage scrap diversion, because that's what
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composting is. We got to divert our food scraps.
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So through all of that process, started building
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a business, started getting some national distribution.
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I got to a point in around 2018, 2019, I ended
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up making a bad business decision and I had to
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get away from that industry, from the compostable
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bag industry, but it was still had my foot on
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the post or thumb on the post in the food packaging
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world. And through relationships, I got introduced
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to this technology in approximately 2020. And
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through time, doing some research into diligence,
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like any of us, right? Understanding, is it real?
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Does this really do what it says it does? Because
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it does sound like a unicorn. It sounds like
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a silver bullet. And to be completely candid,
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I've had these type of conversations on these
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kinds of products for 10 years now. There was
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a company out of Canada. There was a company,
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I forget where else. And then they never seem
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to go anywhere. And so I always like to know
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that A, it still seems to be viable to some extent
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and that you guys have testing and you're still
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working this angle. Because I do think there
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are products that diapers are a great example.
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You're never going to recycle it because of what
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goes into the diaper. And there are other things
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like that that just will never be recycled. And
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so we need to find a solution for it. So I like
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that idea. It's just a matter of, I think you're
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going to run into a lot of skepticism because
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it sounds too good to be true. It really does.
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And so that's why I ask these things. My next
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question is, are you like an owner there or are
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you just an employee or how does that all work?
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I'm curious. Yeah. We can talk about the skepticism
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because that's something we deal with every day,
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right? Yeah. But yeah, to answer your question
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as far as ownership, yeah. So our group, we're
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considered Ross Americas. Our group is, we have
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the distribution rights to the technology on
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this side of the world. So North America, Central
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America, South America, and the Caribbean, I'm
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one of the partners of that group. Where's the
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corporate at? That was my next question. Yeah.
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Ross corporate is at Hong Kong. Okay. Hong Kong,
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currently today, the technology is being made
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in China and Thailand, and we're in the final
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processes of finalizing American compounding.
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So we'll start compounding in the US. You're
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ahead of all my questions, because my next thing
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was going to be, what about assets? I hear you're
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third party producing all of this, and apparently
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you're third party producing all of this. With
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the process of kind of understanding manufacturing
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and understanding, okay, we're going to start
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looking at near shore. we were able to concentrate
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significantly the formula and were able to compound
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easily, making it more accessible to where we're
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selling the product. I know you said you had
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some comments on the skepticism. I'd love to
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hear your response to the skepticism because
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I got to be honest. I keep hearing these things
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and I don't see it. I haven't seen it scale yet.
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So I would love it too. I really would. But what
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is your... What is your response to my skepticism?
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I welcome it, Justin, 100 % because, and this
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is the skepticism that we hear every single day.
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I was just as skeptical when coming from the
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composting industry. I spent a decade of my career
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and providing for my family, selling compostable
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packaging, selling composting, selling that this
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is a solution and still a proponent of it, still
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a supporter, still sell compostable packaging.
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That's definitely different, but we need to look
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at innovation. We need to look at technology
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and understand that with innovation, there are
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solutions in the marketplace like this. And we
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have the science and the data to back it up.
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Cause that's the thing. If I didn't have the
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data and I didn't have certification in science
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to back it up, then the skepticism, it's going
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to be a little bit more and it's harder for us
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to challenge that or at least go and provide
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evidence. But we have all the evidence now. That
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that helps eliminate some of that skepticism
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is one by strictly looking at the data, looking
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at both lab data and real world data. And then
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one of the things that I do, I mean, naturally
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we can do it here because we're having a conversation.
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Say, uh, virtually, but if you were to take a
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vial and a violent smell, some of the plastic
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that's already started to go through the process
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and degrading you would. your skepticism will
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start going a little bit less because you're
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going to smell the acid and you're going to start
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smelling the degradation taking place. So for
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us, yes, it's a higher mountain decline because
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of unfortunately some of the previous competitors,
00:27:04.660 --> 00:27:07.779
previous technology couldn't prove what we now
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are able to prove, but we welcome the challenge.
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We have the data and I always like to compare
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to kind of think about where were electric cars
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20 years ago. 25 years ago, there was that made
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is not going to work. It's not going to work.
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This stuff doesn't make sense. And now every,
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you know, I don't know the data. I don't know
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the stats on how many card electric cars are
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out there, but there's a lot. It's not growing
00:27:31.849 --> 00:27:35.289
like it used to, but it's still growing. It's
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still growing. And for us, it's like, let's look
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at technology and innovation and let's not first,
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let's not let perfection be the enemy of good
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and understand that with innovation, there is
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Some good out there and and we can go towards
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it with proving data and that's what we I think
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the the difficulty with yours though is if you
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don't have perfection And you're gonna have some
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sort of microplastics if it's not doing a hundred
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percent of what you say It's gonna do so that
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that makes it Makes it a bit of a challenge when
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you're doing your testing and because you've
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spoken a lot about the the different testing
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You've done is that internal testing or is that
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like a third -party? certified testing work What
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is the testing protocol that you're doing there?
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And thank you for asking that, Justin, because
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it's very important to know everything is been
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third -party verified, third -party labs, and
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they are all under the ILAC umbrella. So either
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directly certified under ILAC or through ILAC's
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partnerships, they are following the ILAC processes
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and frameworks. All right. And I got a stupid
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question for you. What is ILAC? International
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- A billion plastics a long time. I've never
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heard of ILAC. Yeah. Oh, so it's the International
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Laboratory Accreditation Corporation. So basically
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making sure your labs are being run the right
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way, done the right way, following certain processes.
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And I bring that up because in talking in some
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of these South American countries and in other
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Central American countries, that's an important
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piece to them, is making sure whatever labs we
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are using, they are accredited. and following
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the certain processes and protocols. I'm glad
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I stomped you all one. It happens more often
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than you think. What got you into the degradable
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plastic space, but before that compostable? There
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has to be some sort of an environmental drive
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there, because it seems like your businesses
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have been focused on environmental challenges
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so far. What drives that? Like what got you there?
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Is that just something that you woke up one day
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and you're like, Hey, that looks like a good
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business. Or is it something that's like, there's
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some experience there that has driven you down
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this path? You know, the first thing that I can
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recall as a kid growing up in South America and
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Columbia outdoors all the time. Oh, you know,
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we grew up on the farm. We used to grow up outdoors
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all the time and it was always important to kind
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of reduce and reuse as much as possible. But
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when coming back, when I used to play soccer,
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came back into the States and growing up in Miami,
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I was always the kid that stayed after soccer
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games and soccer practice, picking up the Gatorade
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bottles, picking up the little green cups that
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we used to drink. And I was always conscious
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of that and just not letting litter out in the
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street or out in the park after we were done
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with the soccer game. So that kind of just stuck
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with me growing up. And then when I got to the
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opportunity, it was business and starting my
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own business. It just, it clicked. There was,
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.599
when I had to close a shipping franchise, when
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the economy turned in 2009 and I was moving,
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I had to get out of my apartment. I had to, I
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was donating my pots and pants to a friend of
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mine. I had them in a, in a shop, in a shopping
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bag, like in a t -shirt bag. And when I went
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to move the t -shirt bag, it broke on me. So
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I needed another bag. And in that process of
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realizing I'm going to reuse this plastic bag.
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And I reuse this fasting bag all the time. I
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reuse it for my shoes. I reuse it for the gym
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bag. I reuse it for swimsuits. And then I reuse
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it this time again for my pots and pans. And
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then that's what kind of struck the cord. The
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light bulb went off and said, well, we're reusing
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this. What are the alternatives out there? How
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often can we reuse it? And can I sell advertising
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space on them because I'm reusing it. And then
00:31:24.859 --> 00:31:27.549
that thing, one thing led to another. where I
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was able to start building an advertising agency
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selling ads on compostable bags in the city of
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Chicago. And we started building the business.
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We started getting traction. And at that point
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there was an alderman in the city, and this is
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not going to 2010, 2011. He wanted to put a ban
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on plastic bags in the city of Chicago. And at
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that, I was probably 24 years old, had never
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talked to a politician in my life. I just went
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and said, listen, you're better. I have before,
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but I had the solution. I showed up, you know,
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it's singing tie and said, here's a, here's a
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compostable bag that does all the good things
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that we know plastic does, but it doesn't have
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the negatives that we're worried about. So let's
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see how we can get this into the market. And
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for the next 12 to 18 months, Justin, I, when
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I spoke to all the aldermen in the cities, when
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testified in part of city council. Even to the
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opportunity to get invited and meet President
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Obama at one point, not necessarily talk about
00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:30.059
this, but through being entrepreneurship, et
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cetera. So long story short, not to bore all
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the audience on this story, but it was been over
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14, 15 years of a passion for sustainability
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and then just understanding it and then realizing
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that we could do good business for good and for
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the environment and for our neighbors. And I
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just stuff with it and kind of continue to follow
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through. So how do people learn more about what
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you guys are doing? You have like a website out
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there that somebody can get in contact or I'm
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assuming LinkedIn, because that's how we got
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connected, right? But is there an easy way for
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people to find out more about your products?
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Specifically, there's a brand listening that
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has some sort of interest in learning more. Yes,
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they can definitely visit our websites. It's
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RawsAmericas .com. And you can also find me on
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LinkedIn and under Camilo Farrell or and obviously
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speak with Justin and we can connect. But Rawsamericas
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.com would be the easiest and most direct way
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to find us. All right. And we'll put all that
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in the show notes so everybody's easily able
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to get in touch and find all that stuff. I typically
00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:44.920
let the guest have last word, last topic, anything
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we haven't covered today. Is there something
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that ... that you really want us to know about
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the company or the products that maybe we haven't
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covered already? No, I think Justin, you've done
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a great job. Thank you for going through this
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and for somebody who's had the experience of
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talking to different technologies through the
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years. I appreciate the space and the openness
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to be able to connect with us. We have a very
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innovative technology. We have something that's
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now proven and now it's scientific validated.
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So we welcome all companies that are looking
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to find for solutions to to help with their sustainability
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goals, to reach out. And we're happy to go through
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this process and testing it is very straightforward
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and it's very easy. It's not a long winded testing
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process. I'd honestly love nothing more than
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for you to be successful with this. Like if it
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all works and everything is doing exactly what
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you say it is, then by all means, I'd love to
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see you be successful and solve some problems
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because Lord knows we've got them. I'm real excited
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to see kind of where this whole thing ends up.
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Appreciate your time today. Appreciate everybody
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listening. This has been the Redefining Plastics
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podcast. My name is Justin Riney for Camillo
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Farro. If you want to learn more about the
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plastics industry, recycling, check out these
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other videos.
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Welcome to Daddy's Podcast. This is the Redefining
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Plastics Podcast. Welcome to the Redefining Plastics
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Podcast. My name's Justin Riney. Got a guest
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today, Camillo Farro with Rawz. We're going
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to talk a little bit about new technologies and
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new outlets for plastics. So Camillo, welcome
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to the show. Why don't you tell the folks a little
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bit about yourself, who you are, and what is
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Rawz? Yeah, excellent. Thank you. Thank you,
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Justin, for having me on today and giving us
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the space to talk about this innovative technology.
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As Justin mentioned, my name is Camilo Farrow,
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and I am part of the ROS team. ROS technology
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is a brand new technology. We just received a
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U .S. patent at the end of 2022, and the technology
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stands for returns to air, water, and soil. And
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to summarize, essentially what the technology
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does is we chemically change plastics. When the
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plastic is no longer going to serve its purpose
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in this usage, and it's not going to be recycled,
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and it's going to go to a landfill, we're chemically
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changing the plastic. So it's a technology that
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gets added to the plastic pre -extrusion. It
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can be injection molded. It can be thermal forming.
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It can be blown film. Any way we're going to
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make a plastic, you add the technology to the
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plastic. And when that plastic is now being converted
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to a plastic bag, a diaper, any of the best usages
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that we have for plastics, that product will
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be a hundred percent biodegradable. That's in
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short what the technology is. And obviously we'll
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go dive a little bit deeper into it. Yeah. Cause
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I got a ton of questions, right? The first thing
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I hear when I hear anything like that, I think
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oxodegradable, I think just breaking material
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down into smaller pieces. So ultimately you're
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talking about taking it back to Like biomass,
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right? That's what we're talking about. Like
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that's all that's left. Like there's no polymer
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left at the end of the day. That's exactly what
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happens, Justin. And thank you for bringing up
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the oxal degradable because that's always a conversation.
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Naturally, we have day in and day out. The technology,
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one, we don't fragment the plastic. So we're
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not breaking plastic apart where all of a sudden
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you end up with microplastics. We're diving into
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the actual chemistry of a plastic. where we're
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chemically changing the plastic. So we are breaking
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it down from your polymer, lowering the molecular
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weight down to a monomer and the process continues
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to go to eventually what remains would be this
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biomass or ketone and aldehyde that are all part
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of the carbonyl group. And that's what we do
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as the technology does. So is this like a free
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radical system or you want to talk a little bit
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about whatever you're comfortable with sharing?
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Do you want to talk a little bit about the technology
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and maybe how it works without divulging any
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proprietary information, obviously? Yeah, no,
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no, no, of course. So we utilize a thermal degradation
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pathway. So we use free radicals. You know that
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we utilize the free radicals to start depolymerizing
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that polymer. The big difference between us and
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also degradable technologies or even some of
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the technologies like enzyme mediated technologies
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is where we will work aerobically and anaerobically.
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And we don't need the oxygen nor the enzymes
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to start biodegrading the plastic. We only need
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two components to this is thermal, but we need
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at least 77 degrees Fahrenheit, which is pretty
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warm. And when we look at landfill temperatures,
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across first world countries and properly maintain
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landfills, for the audience to know, it's anywhere
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between 90 degrees Fahrenheit and all the way
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up to 140 degrees Fahrenheit. So the heat in
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the landfill is a fairy eye up. So the technology,
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as long as we have 77 degrees Fahrenheit and
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some humidity, technology is going to get activated.
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We're going to start attracting those few radicals
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and going to start depolymerizing the plastic.
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What about the before? If you're making a bag.
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and you're walking around, it's 77 degrees outside,
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is that going to start depalmerizing while you're
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walking? What's to protect that product before
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it hits the window when you want it to start
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to break down? Like when it gets into a landfill?
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Because obviously my goal is to keep it out of
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landfill. And I don't think you're advocating
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for putting stuff into a landfill. You're just
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saying that if it's going to end up in a landfill,
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Let's have this stuff in there, so it breaks
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it down, so it just becomes biomass, so it's
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natural at the end of its life cycle. That's
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correct, Justin. We want recycling. Obviously,
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we want recycling to continue to take place.
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But we're aware that a lot of these plastics,
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one, don't get recycled or don't end up in the
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proper recycling stream. And where do they end
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up? They're going to end up in a landfill. So
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in that scenario, when that happens... you have
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a technology now when it does end up in a landfill
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is going to completely degrade, not leaving any
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microclastics behind leaching out into the potential
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environment. Back to your earlier question on
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kind of how do we stop it from me walking around
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from a grocery store or it's starting to rain
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and all of a sudden the bag completely rips on
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us. Happened last night with the wife and I,
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we had some Chipotle and some of the salsa was
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going into our paper bag. We got out of the car.
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Disaster. Chipotle ball all over the place. My
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wife's Quesadillas are on the street. A mess.
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So we want to avoid that. Paper bags are the
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worst for food takeout. I cannot with paper bags
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for food takeout. It was a disaster. But knowing
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that, to avoid that, what we do with the technology
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is we have a stall date. So we're able to create
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the technology to give us a stall date between
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six months all the way up to four years. And
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we have some customers now that have asked us
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to start testing it up to six years. So the technology
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won't get activated plus or minus three months
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from that stall date. Follow -up point to this,
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how do we do that? We're able to adjust it with
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proprietary UV blockers and thermal blockers
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for the technology, depending on where the product
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is going to end up. And those will start to break
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down over time. I'm assuming it's a master batch.
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So as that master batch starts to break down
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over time, then that UV protection will then
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be gone, right? And then it will start the process.
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So that's - From a high level, very unscientifically,
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that's what we're talking about. I want to make
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sure everybody understands what we're saying
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here. Very high level. That's the way it works
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with live testing that we've done. Like for example,
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mulch film. We know mulch film. issue with plastic
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mulch film, how much we needed for our crops,
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right? We need it, we can get away from it. But
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we also know that a big problem with that is
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the mulch film that ends up lasting in the farm
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once the crop has grown. We have been very successful
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in adjusting the film to last different temperature
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ranges and different time ranges based on the
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actual crop that's needed. And we're able to
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do this by also adjusting some of the UV blockers.
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seen at that 10, 11 hours under the sun, we're
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adjusting it accordingly based on what the customer
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and the crop yield is needed. You guys running
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into anybody challenging you on this, like pushing
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back saying, hey, that's going to be microplastics
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or are you running into any of that? Because
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that's the first thing that I think of. And I
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actually know more about this than most. And
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I can only imagine. if you're talking to regulators
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or you're talking to brands, that's going to
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be the first thing that's going to pop into their
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brain. Oh, yeah. Yes. A little background, Justin,
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on the technology too. The technology, it's been
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around now since 2018. The technology was first
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created in 2018. We applied for the patents in
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2020 and then we started getting the patents
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in 2022. So we now have approximately five years
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of testing data and scientific data that verifies
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that no microplastics remain. And that is naturally
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the biggest concern when we first got into the
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technology. How do we actually prove this? You're
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telling us that you're eliminating microplastics,
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but give us the data. Show me the science that
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actually tells me that this is what you have.
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And that's what we've been able to do. Okay.
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So as you know, as far as non -microplastic verification,
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that it is still fairly newer in the world of
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people understanding what it is and then how
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it's going to our brains, our lungs, et cetera.
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There's very few testing protocols and processes
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to follow. The one that is very prominent is
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an ISO standard. An ISO standard called 24187.
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It's so new, it just got finalized at the end
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of 2023. And we follow those specific ISO standards
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that verify no microplastics remain. Now, they
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utilize some of the standard machines you're
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going to be aware of, and some of your audience
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is going to be aware of, like an STIR, GSMC,
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a GPC, and different spectrometry range machines,
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for lack of a better scientific word. So we do
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follow those ISO standards. And we do take it
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one step further and we have partnered up with
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Northern Illinois University to continue to follow
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up and test these remnants that verify no microplastics
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remain. There's so many different ways we can
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go with this conversation. But I think the one
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thing that always comes back from like a packaging
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perspective is what does this do to performance
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on any kind of application. So if I'm making
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a plastic bag, we've talked about that a couple
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times. Is that going to degrade the performance?
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Am I going to have the same kind of tear resistance?
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Am I going to have the same kind of strength?
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Because I'm assuming it's a very low letdown.
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And letdown for those that don't know that's
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the amount of percentage that you're going to
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put this product in in a blend to make the finished
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product. But my assumption is that there's really
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no property changes that are gonna be to the
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finished product because you're gonna put it
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in at such a low percentage. But have you checked
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that? Have you done any kind of testing to see
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if there's any kind of change from a property
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perspective? Justin, that's correct. It's a 1
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% lead down that gets added to the three types
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of plastic we currently work with. So we currently
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work with polypropylene, polyethylene. and any
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of the derivatives to the olefin family. And
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then we work with PET, and it's all at a 1 %
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letdown. It does not affect any of the characteristics,
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tensile strength, coloring of the plastic during
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that process. The only time you're going to start
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seeing the effects is once we've started to degrade
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the actual product itself. Before the degradation,
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you won't see any effects of the technology.
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Just to give you an idea and for the audience
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that's looking at us visually, if you're hearing
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us, you won't be able to see this, but just to
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give you an idea on the technology itself. So
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this was a seven layer fruit cup that was created
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in June of 2022. And then you can see closely,
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I'll try to apply it into as much as a camera.
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The technology has already been activated. So
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we're chemically changing the plastic. You can
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notice the cracking that's starting to take place
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on the cup. But more importantly than the cracking,
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that's important, but this is seven layers. The
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layers are starting to ship apart. Now, this
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was done almost three years ago, and it was in
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our office with over 77 degrees Fahrenheit, and
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it's starting to do its job. If the fruit cup
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was in distribution, it was in its closed box
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while it was going through the process, you wouldn't
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see any changes to the product until it needs
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to start doing it. So my background is in films
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So I'm curious have you looked at adding this
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technology into any kind of bond layers like
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between like a multi -layer flexible film where
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then they could start to break apart at the end
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of life because Just you pulling that apart right
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there was like maybe we can find a way to like
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break these films back into their Their different
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structures because you know mono films great
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I like the idea, but there are some applications
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that high density polyethylene is not there yet.
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So we can't do like the same kind of barrier
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that we need. So maybe there's a way to take
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this kind of technology and have the layers break
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apart at the end to make recycling easier. Is
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this something you've looked into at all? We'd
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have to. We've looked into multi -layer packaging
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and we can completely break down multi -layer
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packaging. that's similar to the fruit cup that
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I showed. We have done packaging in the past
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for 7 -Eleven in Hong Kong, a multi -layer packaging
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for 7 -Eleven, so natural EBOH and BOPP. And
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here in the States, we do have some commitments
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from a fairly large CPG company that's starting
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to trial out some of the BOPP packaging with
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multi -layer spore them. As far as breaking down
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that polymer, and then utilizing some of the
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monomers back to what chemical recycling could
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do. That'd be some of the testing that we'd have
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to go down the path, which we haven't done. I
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was just curious. These are things that pop into
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my brain when I see people pull layers apart.
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Oh yeah. Well, you're in the industry, right?
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And you see this day in and day out. So you get
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the fresh ability to brainstorm or come up with
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different ideas on how we can do this. One of
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the important points that I'd like to bring up,
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and we mentioned recycling, the technology does
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not affect your recycling stream. So if you are
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going to utilize recycling, if you want to use,
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let's say a t -shirt bag or a recycled polypropylene
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container, and it's got the technology in it,
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when that container goes to the recycling system,
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it can still be recycled. Is it burned off? Do
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you have to repelatize it though? If you wanted
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to re -add raw material to the recycled pellet,
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yes, you would have to add that 1%. It does burn
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it off because of the heat of recycling. It's
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going to completely dilute the additive away,
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and it's at that 1 % let down. So we melt it
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completely. So as long as it's re -extruded at
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some point, so if it's being made back into another
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bag, it's going to have to go through an extruder
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again. And you're saying the temperature within
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the extruder is going to burn off the... additive
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that would break down, so then you can recycle
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it, so you don't have to worry about it contaminating
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recycle streams. Because that would have been
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one of my next questions. It's like, how does
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this impact something that we want to make circular?
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For some reason, it ends up in the recycle stream.
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I want to make sure that that recycled product's
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not breaking down in two weeks, because there's
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some kind of additive in there. The temperature
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that we're melting or reciting polypropylene
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P polyacrylamide PET is so high. It just melts
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the technology away. And then once you have that
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recycled resin, if you wanted to, let's say back
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to your 30 % recycled resin, 70 % virgin, if
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you wanted to make that plastic again, completely
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biodegradable. you would add that 1 % raws to
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it to continue that process again. Where are
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you guys at on scale, production? Is this all
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lab work? Are you currently commercial? Kind
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of give us a little breakdown on a status of
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where you're at today as far as a company. Yeah,
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as far as a company goes, so we launched into
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the US marketplace approximately 2023. soft launch
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and then really had an aggressive push into the
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market in 2024. Once we received all of our different
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data that we needed, excuse me, in scientific
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verification, we got into a major grocery store
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in the Northeast where they were using some of
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our produce bags and their technology was in
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the produce bags. And then from there, we started
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having conversations with some Fortune 500s,
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Fortune 1000 companies, both on the brand side
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and on the resin side. And today we do have a
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couple of large organizations that are testing
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out non -woven polypropylene for diapers. Diapers
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being, for example, a perfect solution for this
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type of technology. You're not going to recycle
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a diaper. You're not going to recycle a diaper.
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And we look at one of the contents of diapers,
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polyethylene and polypropylene. So we can complete,
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break that down. So we have a large brand that's
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currently testing the non -woven. uh right now
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with the technology and really good news we're
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getting some great results on the biodegrade
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degradation already on anaerobically uh so that's
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exciting mentioned earlier we do have a cpg company
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that's committed to start testing on their product
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as well and then we're finally finalizing some
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other testing with some other food service items
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uh and hardware items as well uh so we're we're
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definitely generating momentum gaining traction
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Um, and more importantly, we just received our
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last, our latest testing result that proves,
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uh, a 0 .5 mm plastic sheet. So that's a pretty
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thick piece of plastic. And aerobically, we degraded
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it, uh, in 996 days. Okay. Complete degradation,
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99 .62 CO2 release. Uh, no methane was released.
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The only methane that came out. of the testing
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was based on the soil that was used as an oculum.
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Where my mind goes, because I'm a home composter.
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Is this something that if my home compost is
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hot enough, it will break down over time? But
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I'm guessing, so I'm not in a tropical climate,
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obviously, so it's not 77 plus degrees year round.
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is in there in the summer, and then it gets cold
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in the winter, what does that do? Does it just
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stop the process, and then once it gets warm
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again, then the process begins again? I guess
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these are the kind of questions that I have,
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because if I wanted to take something like that
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and home compost it, I don't like the idea of
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it taking 900 some odd days, but, you know, like,
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let's just say I wanted to. Is that something
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that you've tested? Is that possible? Yeah, so
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on the home compost -y side, kudos, I'm a home
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composter as well. love composting and actually
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kudos to all the community composters. Cause
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you look at the folks that are picking up the
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compost from our buckets. You know, I'm calling
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them from the city of Chicago. I'm in the middle
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of the city and I'm able to compost day in and
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day out. So, and it's really small businesses
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that are going around there and picking up the
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composting. So kudos to them. But yeah, so back
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to your earlier question, not to go into composting
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too much. But yeah, technically the product will
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compost. in your home compost and in an industrial
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compost, because we're doing the same process
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that a poly, a PLA product is going to go through,
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right? Once that process of degradation happens,
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we're changing the chemistry. That's simply what
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we're doing. We're changing chemistry. So because
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we're changing the chemistry and de -polymerizing
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it, that piece of plastic will compost in your
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home compost or your industrial. It's just not
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going to get it at the time that you want it.
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When you look at ASTM or BPI, they tell you 90
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% within 180 days in their facilities. The technology
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is not meant to do that. We're meant to have
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a longer shelf life for products that we know,
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one, are really never meant to be composted in
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the first place. And then two, that are not going
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to get composted. Those are the products that
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we know we want to really work with because they
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don't have other solutions out there. I like
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looking for new solutions for things that don't
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happen today. How did you get into this? So coming
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back to composting, I've been in the packaging
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industry since 2009. I started a composting bag
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business. Okay. So back in 2009, 2010, that was
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really composting and compostables were barely
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ever being talked about, right? So I was just,
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I was closing up an old business that I had with
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the economy turning in 2009. long story short,
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you know, like every entrepreneur goes, not everyone,
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but a lot of entrepreneurs go through this. What
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am I going to do? Cars being repossessed, being
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evicted from my apartment. I mean, the list goes
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on. And I came across this concept of biodegradable.
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And then I started doing my research and I started
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understanding what was biodegradable and what
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was compostable. So I put a business together
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where we were importing compostable shopping
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bags into the marketplace. in 2009, 2010, and
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I started getting involved with Chicago city
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council, started getting involved with different
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municipalities that were looking to do bad bans,
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but pushing and understanding that compostable
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bags was going to increase composting and help
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develop more composting and increase the infrastructure
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of forage scrap diversion, because that's what
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composting is. We got to divert our food scraps.
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So through all of that process, started building
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a business, started getting some national distribution.
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I got to a point in around 2018, 2019, I ended
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up making a bad business decision and I had to
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get away from that industry, from the compostable
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bag industry, but it was still had my foot on
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the post or thumb on the post in the food packaging
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world. And through relationships, I got introduced
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to this technology in approximately 2020. And
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through time, doing some research into diligence,
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like any of us, right? Understanding, is it real?
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Does this really do what it says it does? Because
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it does sound like a unicorn. It sounds like
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a silver bullet. And to be completely candid,
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I've had these type of conversations on these
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kinds of products for 10 years now. There was
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a company out of Canada. There was a company,
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I forget where else. And then they never seem
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to go anywhere. And so I always like to know
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that A, it still seems to be viable to some extent
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and that you guys have testing and you're still
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working this angle. Because I do think there
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are products that diapers are a great example.
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You're never going to recycle it because of what
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goes into the diaper. And there are other things
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like that that just will never be recycled. And
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so we need to find a solution for it. So I like
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that idea. It's just a matter of, I think you're
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going to run into a lot of skepticism because
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it sounds too good to be true. It really does.
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And so that's why I ask these things. My next
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question is, are you like an owner there or are
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you just an employee or how does that all work?
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I'm curious. Yeah. We can talk about the skepticism
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because that's something we deal with every day,
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right? Yeah. But yeah, to answer your question
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as far as ownership, yeah. So our group, we're
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considered Ross Americas. Our group is, we have
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the distribution rights to the technology on
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this side of the world. So North America, Central
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America, South America, and the Caribbean, I'm
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one of the partners of that group. Where's the
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corporate at? That was my next question. Yeah.
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Ross corporate is at Hong Kong. Okay. Hong Kong,
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currently today, the technology is being made
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in China and Thailand, and we're in the final
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processes of finalizing American compounding.
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So we'll start compounding in the US. You're
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ahead of all my questions, because my next thing
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was going to be, what about assets? I hear you're
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third party producing all of this, and apparently
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you're third party producing all of this. With
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the process of kind of understanding manufacturing
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and understanding, okay, we're going to start
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looking at near shore. we were able to concentrate
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significantly the formula and were able to compound
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easily, making it more accessible to where we're
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selling the product. I know you said you had
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some comments on the skepticism. I'd love to
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hear your response to the skepticism because
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I got to be honest. I keep hearing these things
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and I don't see it. I haven't seen it scale yet.
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So I would love it too. I really would. But what
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is your... What is your response to my skepticism?
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I welcome it, Justin, 100 % because, and this
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is the skepticism that we hear every single day.
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I was just as skeptical when coming from the
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composting industry. I spent a decade of my career
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and providing for my family, selling compostable
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packaging, selling composting, selling that this
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is a solution and still a proponent of it, still
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a supporter, still sell compostable packaging.
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That's definitely different, but we need to look
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at innovation. We need to look at technology
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and understand that with innovation, there are
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solutions in the marketplace like this. And we
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have the science and the data to back it up.
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Cause that's the thing. If I didn't have the
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data and I didn't have certification in science
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to back it up, then the skepticism, it's going
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to be a little bit more and it's harder for us
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to challenge that or at least go and provide
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evidence. But we have all the evidence now. That
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that helps eliminate some of that skepticism
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is one by strictly looking at the data, looking
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at both lab data and real world data. And then
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one of the things that I do, I mean, naturally
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we can do it here because we're having a conversation.
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Say, uh, virtually, but if you were to take a
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vial and a violent smell, some of the plastic
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that's already started to go through the process
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and degrading you would. your skepticism will
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start going a little bit less because you're
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going to smell the acid and you're going to start
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smelling the degradation taking place. So for
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us, yes, it's a higher mountain decline because
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of unfortunately some of the previous competitors,
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previous technology couldn't prove what we now
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are able to prove, but we welcome the challenge.
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We have the data and I always like to compare
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to kind of think about where were electric cars
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20 years ago. 25 years ago, there was that made
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is not going to work. It's not going to work.
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This stuff doesn't make sense. And now every,
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you know, I don't know the data. I don't know
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the stats on how many card electric cars are
00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:31.849
out there, but there's a lot. It's not growing
00:27:31.849 --> 00:27:35.289
like it used to, but it's still growing. It's
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still growing. And for us, it's like, let's look
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at technology and innovation and let's not first,
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let's not let perfection be the enemy of good
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and understand that with innovation, there is
00:27:45.529 --> 00:27:49.390
Some good out there and and we can go towards
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it with proving data and that's what we I think
00:27:51.750 --> 00:27:54.089
the the difficulty with yours though is if you
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don't have perfection And you're gonna have some
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sort of microplastics if it's not doing a hundred
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percent of what you say It's gonna do so that
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that makes it Makes it a bit of a challenge when
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you're doing your testing and because you've
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spoken a lot about the the different testing
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You've done is that internal testing or is that
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like a third -party? certified testing work What
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is the testing protocol that you're doing there?
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And thank you for asking that, Justin, because
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it's very important to know everything is been
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third -party verified, third -party labs, and
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they are all under the ILAC umbrella. So either
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directly certified under ILAC or through ILAC's
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partnerships, they are following the ILAC processes
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and frameworks. All right. And I got a stupid
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.299
question for you. What is ILAC? International
00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:41.900
- A billion plastics a long time. I've never
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heard of ILAC. Yeah. Oh, so it's the International
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Laboratory Accreditation Corporation. So basically
00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:53.099
making sure your labs are being run the right
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way, done the right way, following certain processes.
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.559
And I bring that up because in talking in some
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of these South American countries and in other
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:06.079
Central American countries, that's an important
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piece to them, is making sure whatever labs we
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.460
are using, they are accredited. and following
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the certain processes and protocols. I'm glad
00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:15.519
I stomped you all one. It happens more often
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:20.700
than you think. What got you into the degradable
00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:24.319
plastic space, but before that compostable? There
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.720
has to be some sort of an environmental drive
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.460
there, because it seems like your businesses
00:29:30.460 --> 00:29:33.579
have been focused on environmental challenges
00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:37.569
so far. What drives that? Like what got you there?
00:29:37.690 --> 00:29:39.650
Is that just something that you woke up one day
00:29:39.650 --> 00:29:40.829
and you're like, Hey, that looks like a good
00:29:40.829 --> 00:29:43.930
business. Or is it something that's like, there's
00:29:43.930 --> 00:29:46.750
some experience there that has driven you down
00:29:46.750 --> 00:29:49.789
this path? You know, the first thing that I can
00:29:49.789 --> 00:29:52.829
recall as a kid growing up in South America and
00:29:52.829 --> 00:29:56.289
Columbia outdoors all the time. Oh, you know,
00:29:56.430 --> 00:29:58.490
we grew up on the farm. We used to grow up outdoors
00:29:58.490 --> 00:30:00.089
all the time and it was always important to kind
00:30:00.089 --> 00:30:02.680
of reduce and reuse as much as possible. But
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.279
when coming back, when I used to play soccer,
00:30:05.299 --> 00:30:07.599
came back into the States and growing up in Miami,
00:30:08.299 --> 00:30:10.839
I was always the kid that stayed after soccer
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:12.880
games and soccer practice, picking up the Gatorade
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.819
bottles, picking up the little green cups that
00:30:15.819 --> 00:30:18.400
we used to drink. And I was always conscious
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.640
of that and just not letting litter out in the
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.640
street or out in the park after we were done
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.099
with the soccer game. So that kind of just stuck
00:30:26.099 --> 00:30:28.539
with me growing up. And then when I got to the
00:30:28.539 --> 00:30:31.059
opportunity, it was business and starting my
00:30:31.059 --> 00:30:34.579
own business. It just, it clicked. There was,
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.599
when I had to close a shipping franchise, when
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.799
the economy turned in 2009 and I was moving,
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.420
I had to get out of my apartment. I had to, I
00:30:43.420 --> 00:30:45.559
was donating my pots and pants to a friend of
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.740
mine. I had them in a, in a shop, in a shopping
00:30:48.740 --> 00:30:51.720
bag, like in a t -shirt bag. And when I went
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:54.819
to move the t -shirt bag, it broke on me. So
00:30:54.819 --> 00:30:58.339
I needed another bag. And in that process of
00:30:58.339 --> 00:31:00.539
realizing I'm going to reuse this plastic bag.
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:03.779
And I reuse this fasting bag all the time. I
00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:05.799
reuse it for my shoes. I reuse it for the gym
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.539
bag. I reuse it for swimsuits. And then I reuse
00:31:08.539 --> 00:31:11.480
it this time again for my pots and pans. And
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:13.859
then that's what kind of struck the cord. The
00:31:13.859 --> 00:31:16.180
light bulb went off and said, well, we're reusing
00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:19.200
this. What are the alternatives out there? How
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.079
often can we reuse it? And can I sell advertising
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:24.859
space on them because I'm reusing it. And then
00:31:24.859 --> 00:31:27.549
that thing, one thing led to another. where I
00:31:27.549 --> 00:31:30.029
was able to start building an advertising agency
00:31:30.029 --> 00:31:33.829
selling ads on compostable bags in the city of
00:31:33.829 --> 00:31:37.230
Chicago. And we started building the business.
00:31:37.289 --> 00:31:39.670
We started getting traction. And at that point
00:31:39.670 --> 00:31:41.789
there was an alderman in the city, and this is
00:31:41.789 --> 00:31:45.410
not going to 2010, 2011. He wanted to put a ban
00:31:45.410 --> 00:31:49.009
on plastic bags in the city of Chicago. And at
00:31:49.009 --> 00:31:52.509
that, I was probably 24 years old, had never
00:31:52.509 --> 00:31:55.200
talked to a politician in my life. I just went
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.539
and said, listen, you're better. I have before,
00:31:57.900 --> 00:32:00.140
but I had the solution. I showed up, you know,
00:32:00.299 --> 00:32:02.359
it's singing tie and said, here's a, here's a
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.140
compostable bag that does all the good things
00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:07.759
that we know plastic does, but it doesn't have
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.940
the negatives that we're worried about. So let's
00:32:09.940 --> 00:32:12.180
see how we can get this into the market. And
00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:15.059
for the next 12 to 18 months, Justin, I, when
00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:17.680
I spoke to all the aldermen in the cities, when
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.799
testified in part of city council. Even to the
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.220
opportunity to get invited and meet President
00:32:24.220 --> 00:32:28.180
Obama at one point, not necessarily talk about
00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:30.059
this, but through being entrepreneurship, et
00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:33.500
cetera. So long story short, not to bore all
00:32:33.500 --> 00:32:36.180
the audience on this story, but it was been over
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:39.880
14, 15 years of a passion for sustainability
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.640
and then just understanding it and then realizing
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.559
that we could do good business for good and for
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.130
the environment and for our neighbors. And I
00:32:49.130 --> 00:32:51.109
just stuff with it and kind of continue to follow
00:32:51.109 --> 00:32:54.309
through. So how do people learn more about what
00:32:54.309 --> 00:32:56.250
you guys are doing? You have like a website out
00:32:56.250 --> 00:32:59.829
there that somebody can get in contact or I'm
00:32:59.829 --> 00:33:02.009
assuming LinkedIn, because that's how we got
00:33:02.009 --> 00:33:06.309
connected, right? But is there an easy way for
00:33:06.309 --> 00:33:08.549
people to find out more about your products?
00:33:08.569 --> 00:33:10.690
Specifically, there's a brand listening that
00:33:10.690 --> 00:33:13.230
has some sort of interest in learning more. Yes,
00:33:13.309 --> 00:33:15.730
they can definitely visit our websites. It's
00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:19.859
RawsAmericas .com. And you can also find me on
00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:22.779
LinkedIn and under Camilo Farrell or and obviously
00:33:22.779 --> 00:33:27.259
speak with Justin and we can connect. But Rawsamericas
00:33:27.259 --> 00:33:29.519
.com would be the easiest and most direct way
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.480
to find us. All right. And we'll put all that
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.519
in the show notes so everybody's easily able
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:38.579
to get in touch and find all that stuff. I typically
00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:44.920
let the guest have last word, last topic, anything
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:46.980
we haven't covered today. Is there something
00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:49.579
that ... that you really want us to know about
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the company or the products that maybe we haven't
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covered already? No, I think Justin, you've done
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a great job. Thank you for going through this
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and for somebody who's had the experience of
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talking to different technologies through the
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years. I appreciate the space and the openness
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to be able to connect with us. We have a very
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innovative technology. We have something that's
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now proven and now it's scientific validated.
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So we welcome all companies that are looking
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to find for solutions to to help with their sustainability
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goals, to reach out. And we're happy to go through
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this process and testing it is very straightforward
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and it's very easy. It's not a long winded testing
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process. I'd honestly love nothing more than
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for you to be successful with this. Like if it
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all works and everything is doing exactly what
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you say it is, then by all means, I'd love to
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see you be successful and solve some problems
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because Lord knows we've got them. I'm real excited
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to see kind of where this whole thing ends up.
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Appreciate your time today. Appreciate everybody
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listening. This has been the Redefining Plastics
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podcast. My name is Justin Riney for Camillo
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Farro. If you want to learn more about the
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plastics industry, recycling, check out these
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