iPhone 18 Event Preview, John Ternus is  CEO, Local AI Smart Home

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We're in the Ternus game now. Welcome to
Primary Technology,

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the show about the tech news that matters.

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It is the eve of the major iPhone event.

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We're going to pontificate a little bit,

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what to expect. Also, EFA's going on right
now with a ton of smart home devices

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and announcements. NVIDIA has said they're
going to buy Hugging Face,

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the AI marketplace. John Ternus is now
officially Apple CEO.

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And yes, Dyson released a $500 smart
toothbrush.

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This episode is brought to you by you,

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the members who support us exclusively.

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Thank you for that. I'm one of your hosts,

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Stephen Robles.

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Joined by my friend Jason Aten How's it
going,

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Jason?

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It's good, but I think you might have
broke the rule.

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I broke through a little bit. I mean,

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we got a new Apple CEO. It might be the
last time that that happens during

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the tenure of the show. So we're in the
end game

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Yeah, I just

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now.

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~ Okay, I don't know.

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I tried doing

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we're in the end game now, but we're in
the Ternus game now because you know what

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Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

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I mean?

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okay.

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Well, yeah, and you you obviously know
what movie that's from 'cause it's it's
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in the name.

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Well sure. Well it's not in the name.

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Isn't that quote from Infinity War?

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~ you know you got it. That's right.

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You're absolutely right. Doctor Strange
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Okay, just checking.

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but yes, that it is it good call.

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That's right. You got it again.

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Anyway. Totally right.

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I was like, hang on, why but the I would
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that from we're in the turnus era now.

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Like

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Yeah, I said it in the Turnus game now,

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but I know it anyway, John Turnus is
Apple's new CEO.

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I anyway. Anyway, yes, I'm sorry.

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That's that's the exciting part.

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Okay. Cool.

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And

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I've now tweeted at him ~ inviting him on
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So listeners, let we'll see. We'll see.

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Could you share that?

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Go just make a Twitter account so he can
see a whole bunch of brand

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new bot accounts and just reboost it or
whatever you do on Twitter.

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No, yeah, yeah, no. Let's

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yeah, we'll we'll talk about that.

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But anyway, ~ hey, we also made 500
five-star reviews.

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We've done it, Jason. We've we're halfway
to a thousand.

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Thank you for everyone who gave us a
five-star rating.

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Interesting, Eric in Lakeland,

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Florida gave us a five-star rating review.

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That's like right on the right near me.

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I've I've thought about I've thought about
doing like a meetup,

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Jason. I don't know if there's enough
people in Florida.

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I think there's some. Let us know.

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I don't know. Some kind of meetup.

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I mean, there's a couple

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of million people in Florida. You just
mean that listen to the show?

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okay. Listen, if you

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That's correct. That's correct that's
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We'll see.

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do a meetup and I do it around
Thanksgiving and I'll come.

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That boom. Okay. Get it. We'll do it.

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Get it done. Alex J. Cubs from the USA
also gave us five star rating.

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Battery percentage off, front dominant
pocket dots on,

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minimized to icon scale animation.

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Alex J got it down packed. That's how you
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Battery percentage off. It's been a while
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Do

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you think that people who are new to our
show who haven't really listened but like,

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you should listen to Prime Tech,

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they're like, I should go check it out and
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are like, What are these reviews?

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I agree a hundred percent,

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I think that's the best part. So you gotta
you gotta be you gotta be in.

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but it's almost like

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we have our own little, you know,

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circle social thing where people can have
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That's right. That's right.

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But also you could just have a profile on
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Honor reviews. That's right. And we do
have a bunch of regulars too,

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which it only counts the first time you do
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guys. But you know what? That's

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fine. ~ JDIS from the USA says we're
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Both hosts have great personalities,

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Jason. He said, both hosts. Yeah,

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I know you too. That's good.

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thank you. Thank you.

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Adam from the UK said we're an essential
tech podcast.

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Black Sony 101 from the USA, we're his
bike buddies.

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Listens to us while he's bicycling.

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That's super fun. Listening since 2024,

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since like the beginning and stuff.

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That's cool.

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Werth094 from the UK, we're a favorite
tech podcast.

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Also wants a ChatGPT voice assistant
through shortcuts.

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Spoiler, I've made a shortcut for that.

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I will put it down in the show notes,

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just so you know. And this is very cool.

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The medieval knight riding the polar bear
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This is from South Africa. This is Chippo,

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who sent us these pictures. Lovely photo
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~ pinned to this. And here's also a
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It's not the whole license plate,

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so he said I could post this.

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But look at that, South Africa.

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That's so cool. And also Chris once again
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and polar bear to the beach with Poseidon?

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That's Poseidon, right? It's gotta be.

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I mean he's he's he's holding a trident
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it's the guy from Little Mermaid,

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I can't remember which one.

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Well isn't that ~ the s wait. Is it
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No. No,

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I don't is that it's not called Poseidon.

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it's King's someone's gonna yell at us.

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It's King's such and such it's He's known
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King such and such, that's the actual
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Mr.

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okay? That's that's how he's known in that
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Ariel King. King Triton. I had to look it
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Mr. Ariel King. Tri Thank you,

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King Triton.

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King Tried, thank you. He's just saved us
1,000 comments on YouTube.

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And just so everyone

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Nope, too late. I'm

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sure that they already

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I just want everybody

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to know, both on YouTube and listening,

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we are never going to mention the W word
again on this show.

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I'm not even gonna say it. So you don't
have to worry

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Appreciate that.

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about it. You don't have to brace
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We're we're never gonna talk about it
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We will in personal tech talk about why
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it anymore though. No, I'm kidding.

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Are we gonna talk about it? Okay,

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We're not gonna do that.

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we're not doing that either. Yeah,

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not even doing that. ~ also, okay,

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last thing before we get to the
all-important news of a smart toothbrush.

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I was in the app store earlier this week
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a productivity spotlight. And Apple asked
what were some of my favorite apps that

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I use. And so, of course, I plugged bear,

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share shot, transcriptionist capture,

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quit ~ yeah, quick notes, and then
creator's best friend.

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But super fun to be a part of that.

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And ~ this was written before I made Cam
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So I couldn't put it in there.

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But can't do what have been on that list.

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But yeah, the productivity picks.

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Thought it was fun.

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Nice.

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Also in great company, Quinn Nelson,

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Christina Warren, and Jason Snell were the
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So that was fun. I'll put a link in the
show notes if you want to read or see
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And the all-important news of a smart
toothbrush.

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Jason, I don't know if you use any smart
toothbrush paraphernalia,

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but Dyson. Dyson came out with a five
hundred dollar camera jet.

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Electric toothbrush. This is the biggest
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obviously. Not Apple's new CEO.

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It is this toothbrush that is a built-in
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And I just need everyone, if you're not
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just to go to the link that I'll put in
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absolutely hammer this tooth and gum
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This is scary. I don't I would not do
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I would not do this.

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is kind of a weird thing this

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is a weird thing to exist in the world.

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Right? Like and

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It is a weird thing. Yes.

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Dyson is like the vacuum people.

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The vacuum people. The fan people.

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anything that yeah. So apparent Yeah,

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Anything that has a motor and sucks or
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That's that's Dyson.

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exactly.

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And and and now they're the thing they're
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That is And it literally

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I don't understand.

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has a camera that you can pull up on your
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in your mouth doing this water pick stuff
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Crazy stuff.

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You should not you should not do that.

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Should not do that. I mean, I I don't I
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I don't water pick. And I don't know how
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can be. I feel like there's two different
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You should probably focus on one or the
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But hey, I'm

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I'm not getting a review unit.

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I'm not going to buy this for a video.

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Maybe I should. But yeah, if somebody gets
a five hundred dollar Dyson toothbrush,

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please let us know.

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Yeah, someone was sitting around thinking,

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what if you could brush and floss at the
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that be worth five hundred dollars to you?

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And I think the answer is no. 'Cause it
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Yeah, I it seems wild to me. It's funny,

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but yeah, camera and the toothbrush.

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Also, what if you aspirate the water while
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And end up with pneumonia? Okay.

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Listen, don't don't curse at me.

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Don't curse at me.

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What do you mean aspirate the water?

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What does mean? ~

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You inhale the water into your lungs
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into your mouth while you're also trying
to like brush your teeth and breathe.

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Yeah, don't do that. Don't

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do that. so yeah, that's the toothbrush.

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That we were just I just wanted to plug
that to be funny.

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~ and before we get to the Turnus era and
the Apple event and all the good stuff,

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Apple Immersive MLB. I actually charged up
the Vision Pro,

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updated it to the latest Vision OS 27
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~ checked out my apps in Vision Pro
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I've just been shipping the apps based on
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~ I also checked, just side note,

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you know, I have test flights for all my
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If you're a member of this podcast,

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you can get a

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links to my test flight. Not a single
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Jason, for either of my apps. Which I get,

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but yeah. I wasn't particularly outing you
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Sorry, I are you just outing me?

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but yeah.

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Not a single download. but now me.

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I there's at least one 'cause I did it.

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So but whatever.

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All right, I'll d I'll download it later.

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I gotta take it on a ro I'm taking my

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I don't believe it.

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my Vision Pro on a road trip.

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That's just infuriating. Take it in the
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but not in the the sky.

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Ha ha.

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Anyway, the Apple Immersive MLB games are
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The first game was last Friday.

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There's another game tomorrow as you
listen to the show as it comes out.

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I put on Vision Pro though. I watched like
15 minutes of the Yankees

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Red Sox baseball game. Listen,

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immersive is always like it's cool.

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Like it's a cool experience whenever you
watch something in immersive.

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The camera is like right by the Yankees
dugout.

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And so it's a pretty interesting
perspective.

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There were a couple times where a batter
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get up and start warming up next to me and
I thought I was about to get

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hit in the head because he's like swinging
the bat around.

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then another point some guy comes up and
puts his arm on the dugout.

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And all you see is the arm. I don't know
who it is,

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but you j I just see this arm and I kinda
like moved a little bit because like,

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this guy's gonna elbow me. And just his
arm is just sitting there for

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a while and like I'll look over and like,

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yeah, yeah, his arm is right there.

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Feels like a dare. It's cool. And it would
be cool if you could experience

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it with another person. And this is the

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The critique, you know, Ben Thomason and
Gruber talk about this on dithering,

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but you know, you can do share play in
certain things in Vision Pro.

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Like you can play games together,

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you can watch content together that's not
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And I think you can watch some of Apple's
immersive content together.

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Because my wife and I I actually did a
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two Vision Pros, because Apple had sent me
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and we watched some immersive content
together.

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So you can do that with SharePlay right
now.

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But this live event immersive stuff does
not allow for that share play feature
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you can watch it with someone else.

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But that would be awesome if you could
have just sit at a baseball game with
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else, even have differing viewpoints.

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Like if there was the option to switch to
like a third base camera and one

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of you is on third base, but one of you is
on first base,

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but virtually it feels like you're sitting
next to each other.

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Like that's something you couldn't even do
in person,

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but you could do in Vision Pro,

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and that would be cool. So hopefully Apple
adds that.

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Yeah, I mean I cannot think of something I
would want to watch less than

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a Yankees Red Sox game, but I am
encouraged

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That is that is offensive. That is
offensive.

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that they are making I don't actually
think that was a controversial statement,

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to be perfectly honest. Unless you're just
like a super baseball fan.

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~ yeah. Sure.

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I can't think

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of two teams that have as ~ vociferously
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and negative feelings towards them than
the Yankees and the Red Sox.

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But it's one of the most like r longest
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Like Yeah.

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rivalries in sports.

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Sure, but when Michigan plays Ohio State,

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I don't watch that either. It's fine.

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So anyway, but I do think it's great that
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at least dipped their toe in the water of
the thing that actually would work really

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well in the Vision Pro, which is like,

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let me just be there. Like I'm there.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will

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So that's good.

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I will also link my video, which I thought
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but no Vision Pro video does super well,

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~ because people don't have it and so they
don't watch it.

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But ~ yeah, this was me and Whitney
watching immersive content together,

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~ in two Vision Pros. And it's kinda fun
to do that and,

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you know, hear the other person's reaction
and all that kind of stuff.

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So I'll link that video again.

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It's yeah, it was fun. All right.

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Apple has a new CEO, Jason. I don't know
if you heard.

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John Turnus. He took he took

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I yeah. I wrote about

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it. ~

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You heard about it. He took over September
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as of this Tuesday. We're in the Turnus
era now.

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There was also a wave of other shifts as
this happened.

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Namely, Phil Schiller, longtime Apple
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and who was been running the App Store for
a long time,

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and also the events. Phil Schiller was
still even over the Apple events.

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He has stepped down. He is still
considered an Apple Fellow,

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but ~ the Eddie Q is getting ~ putting in
charge of the App Store.

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So App Store goes under him. And then Nola
Weinstein will be reporting

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to Kristen Quayle, the company's vice
president of communications

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and public relations, for the events side.

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So events goes under PR, where it was
formerly under Phil Schiller.

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Eddie Q gets the App Store. And also Luca
Maestri ~ has stepped down.

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I think that was actually a couple weeks
ago.

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But yeah, a bunch of shifts here.

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And I'm curious what will change in the
events.

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If Phil Schiller has been the one
pioneering kind of like the virtual event.

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You know, it's a very it's always unclear,

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like was this a Schiller thing?

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Was this something that Apple wanted to
do?

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Tim was it a Tim Cook thing? Now that
Turnus is there,

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hey, maybe we get a live event sometime
soon.

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Maybe.

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Maybe. I don't think it'll be next week at

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No, not it.

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this point. But I mean, it's not like they
couldn't have because this

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has been in production for a while and so
has this change.

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But ~ I think

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It I think we're going to see a lot more
change over the next two years.

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I think that we're gonna see more people
leave.

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~ more people even that we rec whose names
we recognize.

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~ but I think it it this it makes sense to
shift some of these things.

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What it tells me is I I don't think that ~
Phil Schiller did a bad job with

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the App Store or anything like that.

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And I don't think he did a bad job with
events.

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The current state of Apple events is what
it is because of COVID.

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They came up with the best way to do that.

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Now, should they still be doing it?

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it

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that way. I don't know. I think they
really like it because they can just
control

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it very much. And

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Yeah.

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you don't have a Steve Jobs who just has
that natural charisma and ability

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to just get up there and insult people and
make them fall in love.

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Like that's just his superpower,

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right? But

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Yes.

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I think that

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That's not all he did. He wasn't but I'm
just saying he could like just

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No. He was charismatic. He was great on
stage.

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say it however he wanted. Yeah.

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And

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Yes.

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there's a real reason that they talked
about the reality distortion field.

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So ~ but I think that it does maybe give
us a hint of I'm maybe

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I'm being too optimistic. I would love to
see Apple's the App Store

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and s its developer relations.

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improve. And I don't really

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Yes.

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say that that much as a developer because
I don't really make that much money from

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the app store. It's not a big deal.

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I'm in the small business program.

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I'm really never going to graduate out of
it because I'm never going

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to generate that much money in a year.

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So that's fine. But it it would it would
go a long way if developers,

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especially small independent developers,

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just felt valuable. And I don't know what
the exact connection

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is between Phil Schiller overseeing the
app store and that current tenor.

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But I do think that having a change there
could mean be a meaningful improvement.

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So

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Same. And even things like App Review,

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which I mean we both deal with now,

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but so many longtime developers I follow
on Mastodon,

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it's really frustrating. Like I've seen
some people waiting on an in

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app purchase to be approved in a month.

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You know, it's been sitting there for a
month and that's you know,

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a huge part of the business. You know what
I mean?

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That's w actually what generates the
revenue.

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So little things like that, improving the
systems as well as improving some

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of those relations, I think would go a
long way.

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And like

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Being a creator, maybe I'm part of the
problem or whatever,

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but you know, at the actual events and
where Apple like who Apple invites

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to these things, like WWDC obviously,

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there's lots of developers. Apple invites
them and it's always very inclusive.

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But doing some things there where,

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I don't know, developers are highlighted,

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featured. I don't know. Some something to
to better that relationship.

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Start changing the the temperature,

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I think, of that would be good.

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Yeah. I think that'll be good.

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That's all.

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Now, what was interesting is John Turnus
is now on a social network.

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And he has chosen exactly one to be on,

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which is X. And he used the Apple Unicode
icon and CEO as his bio.

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Not Apple, not spelled out Apple CEO.

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I always think it's very interesting when
Apple chooses to use

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the symbol versus actually the word mark
Apple in like Apple Vision

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Pro or stuff like that. But anyway,

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he's on X. His first tweet is out there as
just hello.

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~ we'll put a link to it so you can ~
follow him there.

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Eighty three million views.

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For just sending the word hello,

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which is fine. I tweeted inviting him ~
onto this show.

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We'll see if that works. I just find this
interesting because this would have been

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an opportunity to say Apple leadership is
now going to be on multiple platforms,

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that they'll be on Threads Annex or
Threads Blue Sky and in all the places.

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Apple does have accounts on Threads for
things like Apple TV.

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Hello Apple, which was like a new account
that Apple created around WWDC that

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has an Instagram account and threads
account,

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notably not on X. Like that,

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and they're sharing reels and stuff.

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I'm curious their internal strategy on
this,

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why they chose X. I don't want to
pontificate or or you know,

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espouse any kind of anything about it.

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I just find it interesting and I don't
know why they chose not to

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be on other platforms and just be on one.

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It's curious.

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Yeah, I mean the interesting thing here
was they had to acquire this account.

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Like it existed before. It says it started
in June twenty twenty six,

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but there was a John Turnnis account
before that that Apple acquired somehow.

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Okay.

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I they probably just paid someone and
said,

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Could we have this account? Or they went
to X and they're like,

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We got a guy named John Turnus,

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he's about to be CEO. We really like this
account.

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And you remember we're like the only
people who still advertise

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on your social platform. So could you help

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Right. Right.

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us out? I don't know which of those things
happened.

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Doesn't really matter. ~ but there was a I
guess my point is it's

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not like John Turnus had just been link
lurking on X for a decade and

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they

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finally decided to activate it.

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This was like a thing that they've
intentionally done.

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And I think that a a company like Apple
thinks of it very differently than than

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we do. They

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I guess so.

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they just think

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about the way the the reach and what they
would use it for.

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And I don't think that they did it because
they're like they're

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not making a political statement.

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Th that's definitely not what Apple is
doing by putting him on there

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and not other places. You're right that
they do have like ~ accounts

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on threads and Instagram for certain
things and I feel like it's because they
know

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that the specific audience for that stuff
is there,

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right?

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Right.

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But like if John Turner said, Okay,

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well I have a LinkedIn now no one will be
like,

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I can't believe that's the only one you
picked.

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We might like s LinkedIn really?

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But I mean that is like the corporate y
ish thing,

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Yeah, okay. That's a choice. Yes,

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00:18:32,875 --> 00:18:34,115
right? Like that is time

481
00:18:33,711 --> 00:18:34,711
yes.

482
00:18:34,355 --> 00:18:36,616
so I don't know that we should just read a
ton into it.

483
00:18:36,776 --> 00:18:37,776
No

484
00:18:36,986 --> 00:18:37,986
Also,

485
00:18:37,657 --> 00:18:42,523
the fact that he had one on day one is not
an you know not necessarily indicative

486
00:18:42,523 --> 00:18:44,024
of like he'll always only have one,

487
00:18:44,024 --> 00:18:45,551
right? So I don't know.

488
00:18:44,692 --> 00:18:45,692
True, true.

489
00:18:45,551 --> 00:18:49,621
But like they the executives at Apple had
been like X had been their primary place

490
00:18:49,621 --> 00:18:50,621
to post anyway.

491
00:18:51,624 --> 00:18:55,347
Well, I know, and it's been but it was
like Jazweak and Tom Cook

492
00:18:54,162 --> 00:18:55,162
Yeah, Tim Clark.

493
00:18:55,347 --> 00:18:57,468
and all of that. So anyway, we'll see.

494
00:18:57,468 --> 00:18:59,589
There was one one thing though,

495
00:18:59,589 --> 00:19:04,033
it in relation to Reach, if their goal was
to be on the platform that

496
00:19:04,033 --> 00:19:07,525
has the largest reach, as far as the most
recent data,

497
00:19:07,525 --> 00:19:13,419
it looked like Threads edged out X as far
as just monthly or daily active users.

498
00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:17,322
So it seems again, like if Reach is the
pure goal,

499
00:19:17,322 --> 00:19:20,264
which is why I think they made the Hello
Apple account on Instagram and Threads.

500
00:19:20,797 --> 00:19:21,797
Interesting that it's not here.

501
00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:23,540
Well, okay, I haven't thought about that.

502
00:19:23,540 --> 00:19:26,681
One, five hundred million monthly users,

503
00:19:26,681 --> 00:19:28,962
well, three hundred million of those are
people who just tap

504
00:19:28,962 --> 00:19:31,883
a threads post accidentally in Instagram
and end up on threads.

505
00:19:31,883 --> 00:19:35,774
Let's just be honest that that the it's
really hard to know what meta means

506
00:19:35,774 --> 00:19:39,515
by any of this because they're just
they're just turning those those dials

507
00:19:39,515 --> 00:19:45,237
in all sorts of ways. Also, I think it's
entirely possible that X

508
00:19:45,237 --> 00:19:49,668
is willing to amplify their executives'
posts in a way that threads maybe isn't.

509
00:19:51,314 --> 00:19:53,412
I feel like Zuckerberg would be all about
it.

510
00:19:53,412 --> 00:19:56,344
I feel like he I feel like he would be a

511
00:19:56,116 --> 00:19:57,116
There is literally

512
00:19:56,970 --> 00:20:00,165
not no company in the universe that Mark
Zuckerberg hates more than Apple.

513
00:20:00,679 --> 00:20:05,681
But for to for him to have bragging rights
to say Apple's CEO is on threads posting,

514
00:20:05,681 --> 00:20:07,442
I feel like he would tout that,

515
00:20:07,442 --> 00:20:11,474
despite his relationship with like the
actual the iPhone and

516
00:20:11,474 --> 00:20:14,015
the platform or whatever. I feel like he
would tout that.

517
00:20:14,015 --> 00:20:17,067
I mean they they try to brag about threads
all the time and the reach

518
00:20:16,541 --> 00:20:17,784
Yeah, maybe. Also,

519
00:20:17,067 --> 00:20:18,067
and all kind of stuff.

520
00:20:17,824 --> 00:20:19,808
I don't know that he even knows who John
Turners is,

521
00:20:19,808 --> 00:20:21,482
but he definitely knew who Tim Cook was.

522
00:20:21,482 --> 00:20:23,156
Because Tim Cook's the guy who said,

523
00:20:23,156 --> 00:20:25,080
like ~ I wouldn't be in that situation.

524
00:20:25,595 --> 00:20:27,717
Sure, sure, sure. Well, anyway,

525
00:20:27,717 --> 00:20:32,491
the one act that John Turnus has clearly
done in his first day in office that

526
00:20:32,491 --> 00:20:35,584
I highly approve of, I'm so glad he made
this change.

527
00:20:35,584 --> 00:20:38,887
When you share a shortcuts link on social
media,

528
00:20:38,887 --> 00:20:41,389
the image is now vastly improved.

529
00:20:41,389 --> 00:20:45,624
So before, when you had shared a shortcut
on any social media network,

530
00:20:45,624 --> 00:20:47,374
you know, there was always a preview card,

531
00:20:47,374 --> 00:20:48,565
which anytime you share a link,

532
00:20:48,565 --> 00:20:50,076
you there's an image associated with it.

533
00:20:50,076 --> 00:20:52,999
And previously it was just kind of like a
weird zoomed in image.

534
00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:55,231
Of whatever icon is on the shortcut card.

535
00:20:55,231 --> 00:20:58,783
Well now there is a beautiful colored
background.

536
00:20:58,783 --> 00:21:02,427
The shortcuts icon is there with the
glassy iOS 26 look.

537
00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:04,909
This sharing card, chef's kiss,

538
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:07,040
two thumbs up, John Turnus. Thank you.

539
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,040
Thank you for that.

540
00:21:08,465 --> 00:21:09,959
So you think the one on the right is
better?

541
00:21:09,959 --> 00:21:13,897
Okay, I'm just asking I'm just asking what
you were saying,

542
00:21:10,673 --> 00:21:15,789
Hunch Jason, it is unequivocally better.

543
00:21:13,897 --> 00:21:18,899
'cause fine. It just looks soup it's

544
00:21:15,789 --> 00:21:19,283
Matthew Casanelli, shortcuts

545
00:21:19,283 --> 00:21:20,935
guru, also agrees.

546
00:21:21,374 --> 00:21:22,575
I'm not necessarily disagreeing.

547
00:21:22,575 --> 00:21:23,853
I just wanted to be clear about what
you're saying,

548
00:21:23,853 --> 00:21:25,238
'cause I look at these two and I'm like,

549
00:21:25,238 --> 00:21:28,662
I think they're equally uninteresting
because they just feel generic.

550
00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:33,267
I mean, I agree that the one on the right
is is uninteresting and generic,

551
00:21:33,267 --> 00:21:35,840
but also not like what the heck am I
looking at.

552
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,232
It's very clear that it's a shortcut.

553
00:21:37,232 --> 00:21:38,232
I agree.

554
00:21:38,951 --> 00:21:40,422
I w I can't I can't even get into this,

555
00:21:40,422 --> 00:21:42,733
Jason. I've I've all I will say

556
00:21:40,743 --> 00:21:41,743
Okay.

557
00:21:42,793 --> 00:21:46,925
is, listeners and viewers, I will link
this threads post down if you're
listening.

558
00:21:46,925 --> 00:21:50,587
You can watch the video and see these two
icons and just call back to what

559
00:21:50,587 --> 00:21:54,118
we talked about last week versus J Jason's
judgment on these icons

560
00:21:54,258 --> 00:21:55,378
and decide for yourselves.

561
00:21:55,466 --> 00:21:58,210
No, I do think it's better. I just think
that like it yeah,

562
00:21:58,210 --> 00:22:01,214
anyway, I don't but I also don't think Tun
Turns had anything to do with it.

563
00:22:01,157 --> 00:22:03,159
No, he definitely did. He definitely did.

564
00:22:01,214 --> 00:22:02,436
Okay, good.

565
00:22:03,159 --> 00:22:05,461
100%. I would say I have inside info,

566
00:22:05,461 --> 00:22:07,943
but I don't. But listen, if any little
birdies want to tell me whether

567
00:22:07,943 --> 00:22:08,943
or not John Turner's like, hey,

568
00:22:08,864 --> 00:22:11,816
fix that shortcut thing, I'd I'd like to
hear it.

569
00:22:11,816 --> 00:22:15,419
Any little birdies. Do I need to start a
Yeah.

570
00:22:12,637 --> 00:22:15,874
I think John Turn has had a lot of
meetings this week and none of them were
about

571
00:22:15,874 --> 00:22:16,874
this.

572
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:17,481
You never know. You never know.

573
00:22:17,481 --> 00:22:22,535
Do you think ~ do I need a telegram so
people will message me anonymously?

574
00:22:22,535 --> 00:22:24,057
Is that something that people do,

575
00:22:24,057 --> 00:22:25,057
like Mark Erman?

576
00:22:24,285 --> 00:22:25,798
I think you might want signal.

577
00:22:26,429 --> 00:22:27,610
that is that the thing, signal?

578
00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:28,931
I don't know what these things are.

579
00:22:28,051 --> 00:22:29,112
Yeah, Telegram is used

580
00:22:29,112 --> 00:22:33,095
for other things. And it's definitely not
encrypted,

581
00:22:30,701 --> 00:22:32,219
Mm, okay, I don't know. Never mind.

582
00:22:32,219 --> 00:22:34,994
okay, forget it. Okay.

583
00:22:33,095 --> 00:22:35,027
I don't think. I

584
00:22:35,027 --> 00:22:37,870
mean, Telegram's the one where the guy was
like wanted in France

585
00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:40,842
for like promoting bad things.

586
00:22:39,892 --> 00:22:41,427
bad things. Okay, never no never mind.

587
00:22:40,842 --> 00:22:44,525
Yeah. Okay. Signal is the encrypted

588
00:22:41,427 --> 00:22:43,995
Never mind. So you're saying signal signal
is what I need to get.

589
00:22:43,995 --> 00:22:44,995
Signal.

590
00:22:44,525 --> 00:22:46,797
one, and except for if you're the
Secretary of Defense,

591
00:22:46,797 --> 00:22:49,299
'cause they use unencrypted signals to
plan wars.

592
00:22:49,299 --> 00:22:50,861
No, that was a real story.

593
00:22:51,269 --> 00:22:54,441
I know, I know. Well listen, if there's
any little birdies out there,

594
00:22:54,441 --> 00:22:57,342
I guess I'm gonna make a signal and I'll
put that link in the show notes too,

595
00:22:57,211 --> 00:22:58,783
I've got a signal, you can send it to me.

596
00:22:57,342 --> 00:23:00,279
so you can. there we go. All right.

597
00:22:58,783 --> 00:23:01,347
Every reporter has a signal. It's fine.

598
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,986
~ really? I didn't well I need a signal.

599
00:23:01,347 --> 00:23:04,991
Okay.

600
00:23:03,986 --> 00:23:06,087
Sorry. I'm just I'm gonna create a

601
00:23:06,087 --> 00:23:07,838
signal account live here on the show.

602
00:23:07,838 --> 00:23:09,409
No, I'm not gonna do that. Anyway,

603
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:11,310
John Turnus, come on the show.

604
00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:12,791
We'd love to have you as a special guest.

605
00:23:12,791 --> 00:23:15,853
~ yeah, let's do it. Last little Apple
News,

606
00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:17,714
then we'll get to EFA and some smart home
stuff.

607
00:23:17,714 --> 00:23:20,155
Sonos actually released some new products
that are pretty interesting.

608
00:23:20,677 --> 00:23:24,529
Apple released ~ this is more evidence,

609
00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:28,201
and Apple is putting it out there about
things that OpenAI and Mr.

610
00:23:28,201 --> 00:23:32,034
Liu has done, and they're and Apple is
trying to get some evidence

611
00:23:32,634 --> 00:23:36,715
in their possession quickly, fear that
OpenAI might do something

612
00:23:36,715 --> 00:23:38,958
to erase certain evidence. So I'll just
read these bullet points.

613
00:23:38,958 --> 00:23:41,659
This was an Apple response to OpenAI.

614
00:23:41,659 --> 00:23:44,241
This is like the actual PDF document.

615
00:23:44,241 --> 00:23:45,722
I'll link if you want to read that.

616
00:23:45,722 --> 00:23:48,043
But defendants

617
00:23:48,472 --> 00:23:51,533
Okay, so here despite having the MacBook
in their possession since the start

618
00:23:51,533 --> 00:23:52,884
of this lawsuit, I'm reading from the
document,

619
00:23:52,884 --> 00:23:55,965
this is Apple talking, and notwithstanding
the gravity of the allegations

620
00:23:55,965 --> 00:23:58,576
in the complaint, defendants chose not to
inspect it,

621
00:23:58,576 --> 00:24:02,017
opting instead to advance theories that
the device's data disproves.

622
00:24:02,017 --> 00:24:04,228
Initial forensic analysis of the MacBook
shows.

623
00:24:04,228 --> 00:24:05,769
Remember, this is the whole OpenAI case,

624
00:24:05,769 --> 00:24:08,070
trade secrets in Apple. They're saying Mr.

625
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:12,602
Liu not only downloaded a confidential
Apple circuit schematic,

626
00:24:12,602 --> 00:24:16,133
but also used it in his work at OpenAI.

627
00:24:16,945 --> 00:24:20,428
And then far from his unauthorized access
to Apple's third party cloud storage being

628
00:24:20,428 --> 00:24:25,182
unknown to him, Mr. Lou and others at
OpenAI were well aware of that access.

629
00:24:25,182 --> 00:24:28,366
If this again, these are allegations,

630
00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:32,380
but if true and that Apple would have
evidence that Mr.

631
00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:36,694
Lou at OpenAI downloaded a schematic and
then used it in an open AI product,

632
00:24:36,694 --> 00:24:39,577
that would be pretty damning in this case.

633
00:24:39,577 --> 00:24:41,189
Just putting that out there. So

634
00:24:41,597 --> 00:24:45,742
Yeah, it this is the guy though that we
already knew had basically messed

635
00:24:45,742 --> 00:24:46,855
up big time, right?

636
00:24:47,333 --> 00:24:51,804
Yes. He missed a big time. So this case
still it's not even started yet,

637
00:24:51,804 --> 00:24:53,945
but just more information out there.

638
00:24:53,945 --> 00:24:55,795
I don't know, not looking good for Mr.

639
00:24:55,795 --> 00:24:59,937
Lou. ~ at all. We're gonna come back to
Apple and pontificate about

640
00:24:59,937 --> 00:25:03,128
the event next week. But there's a huge
conference going on right now.

641
00:25:03,128 --> 00:25:06,549
EFA in Berlin, which there's a bunch of
smart home creators over there.

642
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:08,059
Eric Whelander, friend of the show,

643
00:25:08,059 --> 00:25:10,640
~ Shane Watley, a bunch of guys over
there,

644
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,731
and of course Jennifer Tooy, who I want to
get on this show sometime.

645
00:25:13,731 --> 00:25:14,981
I'm hoping that Apple actually

646
00:25:15,163 --> 00:25:17,765
releases some smart home products in the
near future and then we could have
Jennifer

647
00:25:17,765 --> 00:25:19,737
on to talk about it. so we'll see.

648
00:25:19,737 --> 00:25:21,469
But there's a bunch of stuff going on over
there.

649
00:25:21,469 --> 00:25:23,130
Announcements from Phillips Hugh.

650
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:25,352
They have a new cheaper sync box.

651
00:25:25,352 --> 00:25:28,495
So you can now get one of the HDMI sync
boxes,

652
00:25:28,495 --> 00:25:31,648
not the cameras that you see a lot of
other brands do where you like

653
00:25:31,648 --> 00:25:33,479
put the camera over the TV to watch the
screen.

654
00:25:33,479 --> 00:25:35,081
You can actually get the sync box.

655
00:25:35,081 --> 00:25:38,884
There's a new 4K model that starts at
$150,

656
00:25:38,884 --> 00:25:41,846
much cheaper than the almost $400 model.

657
00:25:42,727 --> 00:25:45,659
that I regret buying ~ a little while ago.

658
00:25:45,659 --> 00:25:47,650
So you can get cheaper sync box from Hugh.

659
00:25:47,650 --> 00:25:52,353
And Hugh also launched these Leanne rope
lights.

660
00:25:52,353 --> 00:25:56,085
These look really cool. Jennifer Tui has a
reel on these on Instagram,

661
00:25:56,085 --> 00:26:00,117
but there's like really long rope lights
that you can twist and you

662
00:26:00,117 --> 00:26:04,670
can spiral aro spiral around things like
over a a bar or whatever or just

663
00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:06,361
in your room. These look really cool.

664
00:26:06,361 --> 00:26:07,822
I kinda wanna try these, but

665
00:26:08,255 --> 00:26:10,183
How long are those? Like eight foot tall?

666
00:26:11,186 --> 00:26:13,039
They look very long. They look very long.

667
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:15,973
Let's see. They are it's a 360 degree tube
light,

668
00:26:15,973 --> 00:26:18,578
four hundred dollars for three meters,

669
00:26:18,578 --> 00:26:21,823
five hundred fifty dollars for five
meters.

670
00:26:22,037 --> 00:26:23,317
That's like fifteen feet long.

671
00:26:24,127 --> 00:26:26,188
You can get them, yes, they're very long.

672
00:26:25,597 --> 00:26:26,597
I mean, it's not

673
00:26:26,248 --> 00:26:27,550
exactly don't yell at me people.

674
00:26:27,550 --> 00:26:28,922
I'm just doing the conversion.

675
00:26:28,922 --> 00:26:30,954
It's r it's like three point three feet.

676
00:26:30,954 --> 00:26:32,847
I'm not yeah, it's like sixteen whatever.

677
00:26:32,847 --> 00:26:34,103
I'm not gonna I don't

678
00:26:33,788 --> 00:26:34,788
Five

679
00:26:34,198 --> 00:26:36,460
meters and feet is sixteen feet.

680
00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:38,421
Five meters and feet. That was close.

681
00:26:36,787 --> 00:26:37,860
Yeah. That's what I just said.

682
00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:39,335
I said fifteen, then I said sixteen.

683
00:26:38,421 --> 00:26:40,593
okay, yeah, that was good. That

684
00:26:39,335 --> 00:26:40,503
It's six yeah, yeah.

685
00:26:40,593 --> 00:26:42,194
was good. Yeah, expensive. But yeah,

686
00:26:42,194 --> 00:26:43,905
really they're long. Very long.

687
00:26:43,905 --> 00:26:45,516
But it looks cool like hanging down like
that.

688
00:26:45,516 --> 00:26:46,927
You could do some real I don't know,

689
00:26:46,927 --> 00:26:49,339
walk through. Walk through walk

690
00:26:47,091 --> 00:26:49,330
I'm gonna buy some, hang on. Are they
available?

691
00:26:49,339 --> 00:26:51,821
through a forest of these. I mean that
would get very expensive if

692
00:26:51,821 --> 00:26:54,392
you want to create a forest of these at
five hundred fifty dollars a pop.

693
00:26:54,392 --> 00:26:57,775
Do it. Do it all that contextually money.

694
00:26:57,171 --> 00:26:58,728
I'm not buying that stupid toothbrush,

695
00:26:57,775 --> 00:26:59,946
Why would

696
00:26:58,728 --> 00:26:59,728
but I'm gonna buy these.

697
00:26:59,946 --> 00:27:01,697
you buy this? You'll buy this.

698
00:27:01,697 --> 00:27:02,697
Also they're

699
00:27:02,143 --> 00:27:03,143
Floss your

700
00:27:02,605 --> 00:27:05,861
teeth with that, buddy. You talk about
putting a light

701
00:27:03,388 --> 00:27:05,660
But you floss that.

702
00:27:05,861 --> 00:27:06,936
in your mouth. Come on.

703
00:27:07,181 --> 00:27:09,633
That's it. ~ Anchor unveiled some new
things.

704
00:27:09,633 --> 00:27:11,725
They have something called a mind base,

705
00:27:11,725 --> 00:27:14,687
which is HomeKit secure video support,

706
00:27:14,687 --> 00:27:19,011
but is also an on-device home LLM.

707
00:27:19,011 --> 00:27:22,974
So this box will download models,

708
00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:27,498
process camera footage locally on the
device in your home,

709
00:27:27,498 --> 00:27:32,382
and then you can ask it things or whatever
and get alerts.

710
00:27:32,657 --> 00:27:35,928
based on the LLM processing the video
footage locally in your home.

711
00:27:35,928 --> 00:27:38,379
So this is a play on like you don't have
to send your video footage

712
00:27:38,379 --> 00:27:41,030
out to some service or pay for a monthly
subscription.

713
00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:44,292
You can have it locally there on this
device in your home.

714
00:27:44,292 --> 00:27:47,463
It also supports Matter and Home Kit
Secure Video.

715
00:27:47,463 --> 00:27:50,444
So you can still get the cameras that
connect to this thing in the home

716
00:27:50,444 --> 00:27:51,775
app doing home get secure video,

717
00:27:51,775 --> 00:27:55,396
but also on device LMs. I know a little
bit about this because I have a device

718
00:27:55,396 --> 00:27:57,117
I can talk about that does something
similar.

719
00:27:57,117 --> 00:28:00,208
And well anyway, well I'll talk about that
soon.

720
00:28:00,410 --> 00:28:02,252
I think. I 'cause I don't exactly know
when the embargo is.

721
00:28:02,252 --> 00:28:03,252
So I'm just not gonna talk about it.

722
00:28:03,217 --> 00:28:07,170
so that's the out there. Yeah,

723
00:28:06,109 --> 00:28:08,053
I feel hold on, I we need to talk about
that for a second.

724
00:28:07,170 --> 00:28:08,289
go ahead. Yeah,

725
00:28:08,289 --> 00:28:09,289
yeah, please.

726
00:28:09,236 --> 00:28:12,823
Okay. I'm not I'm not trying to like I'm
being sincere.

727
00:28:12,823 --> 00:28:15,288
Do you want this in your house?

728
00:28:18,641 --> 00:28:21,443
And my reason for asking is does

729
00:28:20,163 --> 00:28:21,163
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

730
00:28:21,443 --> 00:28:23,104
it matter like well first of all,

731
00:28:23,104 --> 00:28:27,696
without question, Brendan Carr is a dummy
and we'll probably ban this because they

732
00:28:27,696 --> 00:28:30,748
make these in China, right? Like it's
there's no just no way that this that

733
00:28:30,748 --> 00:28:33,229
the current administration is gonna allow
this.

734
00:28:33,229 --> 00:28:38,352
But let's say that they do, like this is
it does seem like my point is,

735
00:28:38,352 --> 00:28:41,514
if Apple TV did this, we'd be like,

736
00:28:41,514 --> 00:28:44,006
sweet, like great, because we n we we

737
00:28:43,621 --> 00:28:44,621
Right.

738
00:28:44,006 --> 00:28:46,097
just have a level of understanding of what
that means.

739
00:28:46,675 --> 00:28:50,790
But do you as like a pretty educated home
smart home person,

740
00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:52,853
do you w want something like this?

741
00:28:54,406 --> 00:28:59,149
Me personally, no, because I'm all in on
HomeKit Secure Video.

742
00:28:59,149 --> 00:29:05,083
But if one was not all in on HomeKit
Secure Video and maybe wanted to

743
00:29:05,083 --> 00:29:08,435
use lots of different cameras that don't
support HomeKit,

744
00:29:08,435 --> 00:29:10,997
you could get a device like this,

745
00:29:10,997 --> 00:29:13,889
not pay a monthly subscription for Cloud
Storage.

746
00:29:13,889 --> 00:29:14,889
Because that's the other thing,

747
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:17,492
is you put a bunch hard drives in these
things and it saves

748
00:29:17,492 --> 00:29:22,735
the video footage locally. So if you want
the video footage local in your house

749
00:29:22,735 --> 00:29:23,735
on a hard drive,

750
00:29:24,492 --> 00:29:28,064
And get the benefits of the AI processing,

751
00:29:28,064 --> 00:29:30,605
recognition of faces, alerts, and all of
that.

752
00:29:30,605 --> 00:29:33,286
I think there's a segment of people that
want that.

753
00:29:33,286 --> 00:29:35,337
Like they want their data in their home.

754
00:29:35,337 --> 00:29:39,888
Now, you've been able to do that with like
Ubiquiti's camera system for a long time.

755
00:29:39,888 --> 00:29:41,549
Not all the AI stuff just yet,

756
00:29:41,549 --> 00:29:45,331
but if you wanted a security camera system
where the footage is on a server

757
00:29:45,331 --> 00:29:47,472
in your home and then you access it from
the app on your phone,

758
00:29:47,472 --> 00:29:51,103
like you could do that. It's just now what
this new wave of devices

759
00:29:51,103 --> 00:29:52,594
is the having the AI processing.

760
00:29:52,594 --> 00:29:53,594
Now

761
00:29:53,563 --> 00:29:56,623
Apple intelligence in the home is not bad.

762
00:29:56,623 --> 00:30:00,045
I'm not gonna say it's great, and the AI
that these devices can

763
00:30:00,045 --> 00:30:03,245
do are probably better. But on the beta,

764
00:30:03,245 --> 00:30:09,626
like right now, I'm down for like the
Apple intelligence figuring out that
there's

765
00:30:09,626 --> 00:30:13,368
a FedEx truck. Like you can search for
that and it will use Apple Intelligence

766
00:30:13,368 --> 00:30:16,149
to look at the home kit secure video clips
and actually say,

767
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:17,689
here's the clip with the FedEx truck.

768
00:30:17,689 --> 00:30:19,750
Here's the clip with the Amazon package,

769
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:20,920
and it will recognize the logo.

770
00:30:21,318 --> 00:30:23,859
So Apple Intelligence is doing that right
now.

771
00:30:23,859 --> 00:30:26,571
And I've been using facial recognition for
years.

772
00:30:26,571 --> 00:30:29,421
Like that's been a feature on Apple
HomeKit video forever.

773
00:30:29,421 --> 00:30:33,645
And it's pretty good. Like I will get the
home pods saying when someone rings

774
00:30:33,645 --> 00:30:36,046
my video doorbell, so and so is at the
door.

775
00:30:36,046 --> 00:30:38,637
And it's fairly accurate. And you can
train it and you could do it.

776
00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:42,630
So if you're all in on the Apple home
ecosystem and home kit secure video,

777
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:46,232
I don't think these products are as
tempting because you kind of have these
features

778
00:30:46,232 --> 00:30:50,754
already. And I don't care if the footage
is in my house on a hard drive personally.

779
00:30:51,324 --> 00:30:53,323
But if people do, this would be an option
for them.

780
00:30:53,323 --> 00:30:55,364
Does that make sense? Yeah.

781
00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:56,186
yep,

782
00:30:55,516 --> 00:30:58,399
I'm gonna warn you that ~ it's about to
storm here.

783
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,091
You can see how dark it is out that
window.

784
00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:00,610
It is very dark.

785
00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:03,434
So if it does, I apologize. Nothing I can
do.

786
00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:04,497
Does the does the power blip when that
happens?

787
00:31:04,696 --> 00:31:06,257
I mean we'll see. I'm out in a shed.

788
00:31:06,257 --> 00:31:09,170
It's hard to know. I mean the line

789
00:31:06,588 --> 00:31:08,918
That's all I'm saying. ~

790
00:31:09,170 --> 00:31:12,023
is buried pretty deep, but all of our
lines are buried.

791
00:31:11,098 --> 00:31:14,031
Okay, we'll see. Yeah.

792
00:31:12,023 --> 00:31:13,204
I'm just warning you in advance.

793
00:31:14,031 --> 00:31:16,443
Okay, we'll see. Well and I'll and last
thing I'll mention,

794
00:31:16,443 --> 00:31:17,544
I can't mention what I have here,

795
00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:19,486
but I like I have one of these in my home
right now.

796
00:31:19,486 --> 00:31:21,368
Not this one, but it's something similar.

797
00:31:21,368 --> 00:31:26,473
And it's kind of big. Like you you would
want to put this in a closet somewhere.

798
00:31:26,473 --> 00:31:28,414
But it also has like a voice assistant.

799
00:31:28,414 --> 00:31:31,097
So you can't like if you want to use that
kind of stuff,

800
00:31:31,097 --> 00:31:32,879
you couldn't just shove it in a closet

801
00:31:32,873 --> 00:31:33,873
Right.

802
00:31:33,439 --> 00:31:36,092
somewhere. So anyway, I don't Anyway

803
00:31:35,719 --> 00:31:36,719
I just don't

804
00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:40,094
know how I feel about video of things
happening in the house going up to

805
00:31:40,094 --> 00:31:42,727
a server or somewhere with L L M's
processing.

806
00:31:43,132 --> 00:31:44,132
But that's what that's the thing,

807
00:31:44,048 --> 00:31:46,646
that's the benefit. It's not going up to a
server somewhere.

808
00:31:47,177 --> 00:31:49,564
So you okay, so you have to download local
models on this?

809
00:31:49,028 --> 00:31:50,028
Yeah, like

810
00:31:49,578 --> 00:31:54,019
literally models get downloaded to this
server device on my in my house.

811
00:31:54,019 --> 00:31:57,690
And so you could you know, if you didn't
have internet access,

812
00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:59,221
but it's the Wi Fi was still on or
whatever,

813
00:31:59,221 --> 00:32:02,101
the cameras could still talk to this thing
and it could process everything

814
00:32:02,341 --> 00:32:03,642
and nothing goes to the cloud.

815
00:32:03,642 --> 00:32:08,443
And it's it's using like Quen like the
model is like Quen five or whatever.

816
00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:10,213
And so it's one of those local LM.

817
00:32:10,213 --> 00:32:12,284
So that that's the that's the deal with
these.

818
00:32:12,284 --> 00:32:13,284
But

819
00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:13,660
All right.

820
00:32:13,664 --> 00:32:15,085
anyway, home kit secure video is pretty
good too.

821
00:32:15,085 --> 00:32:16,625
~

822
00:32:16,889 --> 00:32:19,950
We'll look for my iOS twenty seven review
come coming in a couple weeks.

823
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:24,572
a couple of things from IFA. A car has a
bunch of new smart lights,

824
00:32:24,572 --> 00:32:28,534
including the long like the tall tower
gradient light type stuff.

825
00:32:28,534 --> 00:32:30,505
The floor lamp T1 is out there.

826
00:32:30,505 --> 00:32:33,356
They also have a new down light and
outdoor string lights.

827
00:32:33,356 --> 00:32:36,587
Typic before Govi has kind of been like
just the go-to for

828
00:32:36,587 --> 00:32:38,058
the permanent outdoor lights on the house.

829
00:32:38,058 --> 00:32:39,808
A car is getting into that game as well.

830
00:32:39,808 --> 00:32:45,821
This is all announced at IFA. And Belkin
introduced some new solid state batteries.

831
00:32:46,357 --> 00:32:50,120
And solid state is a technology that
hopefully batteries will last longer,

832
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,302
like more charge cycles, holding more of
the ~ you know,

833
00:32:53,302 --> 00:32:56,684
battery capacity for longer. And batteries
can be thinner,

834
00:32:56,684 --> 00:32:59,766
not get as hot. So Belkin has released a
couple of these.

835
00:32:59,766 --> 00:33:01,907
One looks very thin, very attractive.

836
00:33:01,907 --> 00:33:03,709
I ~ you know, it's MagSafe batteries.

837
00:33:03,709 --> 00:33:04,849
I'm gonna try every single one of them.

838
00:33:04,849 --> 00:33:07,001
~ one is just a power bank with a cable,

839
00:33:07,001 --> 00:33:09,573
one is a magSafe battery. But totally
gonna try these.

840
00:33:09,573 --> 00:33:14,036
And other companies like CoolSill and Zenz
are also make the solid state battery.

841
00:33:14,036 --> 00:33:15,957
Do you have any solid state batteries or
power?

842
00:33:15,893 --> 00:33:16,893
I

843
00:33:16,053 --> 00:33:19,798
don't I have no idea. Probably not because
I don't think I've bought any

844
00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:21,960
so I mean the last

845
00:33:21,285 --> 00:33:22,285
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

846
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,427
one I got was this one. So the iPhone Air
one.

847
00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:27,470
The the air iPhone Air MagSafe battery.

848
00:33:27,427 --> 00:33:28,427
This is the newest

849
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:28,470
Yeah.

850
00:33:28,288 --> 00:33:29,288
battery I have.

851
00:33:29,469 --> 00:33:32,632
~ all right. Well, and this this thing was
just announced at EFA,

852
00:33:32,632 --> 00:33:34,793
and so I I assume I could talk about it on
the show.

853
00:33:34,793 --> 00:33:37,474
It's gonna be in a sponsored video next
week,

854
00:33:37,474 --> 00:33:40,456
but like it's announced, so I think I'm
gonna talk about it.

855
00:33:40,456 --> 00:33:43,727
Anchor released their updated MagSafe
battery.

856
00:33:43,727 --> 00:33:46,418
This is the Anchor Maggo2 Pro,

857
00:33:46,418 --> 00:33:50,590
and it's pretty awesome. So it's a MagSafe
battery,

858
00:33:50,590 --> 00:33:52,591
it's G two twenty five watt.

859
00:33:52,966 --> 00:33:55,037
Has a built in kickstand, super fun.

860
00:33:55,037 --> 00:33:56,648
It's got the display on the side.

861
00:33:56,648 --> 00:33:59,100
It'll even tell you how fast it's
charging.

862
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:00,851
It'll tell you the wattage output on the
screen,

863
00:34:00,851 --> 00:34:03,493
which is not something any battery I've
had before does.

864
00:34:03,493 --> 00:34:04,634
This part, this is not sponsored.

865
00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:06,355
I just want to talk about it because I
actually tested this.

866
00:34:06,355 --> 00:34:08,356
Sponsored is next week in a video or
whatever.

867
00:34:08,356 --> 00:34:13,930
It's got like cooling fans. So there's
like full on fan vents on the

868
00:34:13,930 --> 00:34:19,284
top and bottom for cooling and keeping
your iPhone and the MagSafe battery cool.

869
00:34:19,284 --> 00:34:21,175
And I kid you not, Jason.

870
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:25,492
This thing got up to 27 watt speed
charging,

871
00:34:25,492 --> 00:34:29,115
which is unheard of. I mean, Qi2 is just
25 watts,

872
00:34:29,115 --> 00:34:31,677
but this thing, if you leave it sitting
still,

873
00:34:31,677 --> 00:34:36,341
the phone not doing anything, it got all
the way up to 27 watt output,

874
00:34:36,341 --> 00:34:42,547
and it charged in 10 minutes from 1 to 25%
on my iPhone

875
00:34:42,547 --> 00:34:45,199
17 Pro Max, which is really fast.

876
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,573
Like pretty much now you can charge up to
45 watts speeds with a cable.

877
00:34:50,011 --> 00:34:51,885
With the iPhone seventeen lineup,

878
00:34:51,885 --> 00:34:56,154
but twenty seven watt charging wirelessly
is really good.

879
00:34:56,154 --> 00:34:59,241
And this is a pretty sweet magSafe
battery.

880
00:34:59,241 --> 00:35:00,794
Might be my pick for this year.

881
00:35:00,794 --> 00:35:01,794
We'll see.

882
00:35:01,021 --> 00:35:02,021
Yeah.

883
00:35:01,602 --> 00:35:05,956
The EcoFlow batteries that I have do tell
you the charging w what they're charging

884
00:35:05,956 --> 00:35:07,914
at. Now those are not mag safe batteries,

885
00:35:07,914 --> 00:35:10,031
they're just the those towers and they'll
tell you like

886
00:35:09,329 --> 00:35:10,329
Right, right, the two.

887
00:35:10,031 --> 00:35:12,453
this is the the wattage that we're sending
out or whatever.

888
00:35:12,304 --> 00:35:13,304
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:35:12,453 --> 00:35:13,453
But

890
00:35:12,803 --> 00:35:14,635
that is kinda cool to have that on a small
one.

891
00:35:14,635 --> 00:35:19,741
~ but yeah, I mean I don't like I
understand the reason why it has fans.

892
00:35:19,741 --> 00:35:22,383
I don't really like the idea of like
carrying around fans.

893
00:35:22,383 --> 00:35:23,383
I don't want

894
00:35:22,851 --> 00:35:23,851
It's not I mean,

895
00:35:24,061 --> 00:35:26,392
I need to get my previous model,

896
00:35:26,392 --> 00:35:28,535
you know, Anchor's previous Q2 one,

897
00:35:28,535 --> 00:35:31,727
which was the best as far as speed battery
pack for a long time,

898
00:35:31,727 --> 00:35:36,390
it was thicker than this. So this is
actually thinner with the same capacity
plus

899
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:40,037
fans. So it's not bad. But I'm gonna do
more testing.

900
00:35:40,037 --> 00:35:42,714
I have a little shortcut that I test all
these batteries with where

901
00:35:42,935 --> 00:35:44,566
as it hits certain battery percentages,

902
00:35:44,566 --> 00:35:47,037
it writes it to an Apple note and so I get
the exact numbers.

903
00:35:47,037 --> 00:35:51,540
But one thing is cool too, the well,

904
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:52,540
I forgot I was gonna say.

905
00:35:52,319 --> 00:35:53,319
So is

906
00:35:52,501 --> 00:35:54,530
that this one? This is G two, right?

907
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:57,251
That's that was their last model magSave
battery.

908
00:35:57,251 --> 00:36:01,624
And that one was very good. They they also
no,

909
00:35:58,579 --> 00:36:01,187
Yeah, okay. But you're saying this is
thicker than the one that you have

910
00:36:01,187 --> 00:36:02,540
in your hand? ~

911
00:36:01,624 --> 00:36:02,624
there was one bef

912
00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:05,396
there was one around that time that had a
display on the side.

913
00:36:05,009 --> 00:36:06,079
Okay, okay, gotcha.

914
00:36:06,156 --> 00:36:09,518
And this is like the updated model of that
display display one.

915
00:36:09,311 --> 00:36:10,311
Got it. Okay.

916
00:36:10,398 --> 00:36:13,610
but yeah, it charged it charged fast and
you don't really hear the fans.

917
00:36:13,610 --> 00:36:15,495
~ what I noticed when I was testing it,

918
00:36:15,495 --> 00:36:18,583
I was just kind of watching the wattage go
up and down.

919
00:36:18,583 --> 00:36:22,915
When a text message came in, whenever I
got a notification.

920
00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:27,814
The charging speed dropped. And I don't
know if that is

921
00:36:28,554 --> 00:36:33,215
the iPhone like not accepting as fast a
charge when there's like

922
00:36:34,046 --> 00:36:37,153
Bro, I'm I'm busy, bro. I'll be back with
you in a minute.

923
00:36:34,176 --> 00:36:36,456
or or like

924
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:41,938
or if it's like the Wi-Fi and cellular
radio requiring a certain amount

925
00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:43,868
of power and so the w the charging drops.

926
00:36:43,868 --> 00:36:46,229
But then once like I got the notification,

927
00:36:46,229 --> 00:36:49,780
the lock screen turned on. Once the screen
turned off and went dark again,

928
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:53,281
I would see the wattage slowly climb back
up to twenty seven watts,

929
00:36:53,281 --> 00:36:54,281
and I'm like

930
00:36:54,085 --> 00:36:55,886
That's interesting. Like any usage,

931
00:36:55,886 --> 00:36:57,467
even if you're not actively using the
phone,

932
00:36:57,467 --> 00:36:59,038
if you just get a notification or
whatever,

933
00:36:59,038 --> 00:37:02,950
that adjusts that changes the speed that
it's charging.

934
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:07,672
And so if you really need the fastest
charge out of a bat a mag safe battery,

935
00:37:07,672 --> 00:37:08,993
and I would think this is universal,

936
00:37:08,993 --> 00:37:10,834
I guess put it in do not disturb mode.

937
00:37:10,834 --> 00:37:14,885
And but that also doesn't affect like if
text messages still come in,

938
00:37:14,885 --> 00:37:17,748
you just don't get notified. So I don't I
th that was an interesting experience

939
00:37:17,748 --> 00:37:19,269
for me. I just I don't know. I'm a nerd,

940
00:37:19,269 --> 00:37:20,269
I guess.

941
00:37:19,592 --> 00:37:20,592
Interesting.

942
00:37:20,299 --> 00:37:22,140
I found I know, no one else cares,

943
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:23,151
but I thought it was interesting.

944
00:37:23,343 --> 00:37:24,446
Leave us a five star rating review.

945
00:37:24,446 --> 00:37:26,051
Let me know if anybody cares about that.

946
00:37:25,619 --> 00:37:26,619
Well, there's also

947
00:37:26,271 --> 00:37:29,148
the possibility, without believerance too
much,

948
00:37:29,148 --> 00:37:30,662
'cause we know our audience doesn't like
that,

949
00:37:30,662 --> 00:37:31,662
that

950
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:35,392
I don't know how they're how it measures
it because like is it measuring what it's

951
00:37:35,392 --> 00:37:37,232
sending? 'Cause that shouldn't change.

952
00:37:37,232 --> 00:37:41,494
Or is it measuring the like net increase
of battery?

953
00:37:41,494 --> 00:37:44,455
Because if it's using a little bit of
battery to deal with it,

954
00:37:44,455 --> 00:37:46,666
the device may be sending the same amount,

955
00:37:46,666 --> 00:37:49,948
but the net increase, it's kind of like if
you were charging

956
00:37:49,129 --> 00:37:50,129
yeah, that's true.

957
00:37:49,948 --> 00:37:51,819
something but you're using it,

958
00:37:51,819 --> 00:37:55,140
the net is the difference between in
versus what you're using,

959
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:59,292
right? So maybe it's measur maybe there's
'cause we know that these like it's

960
00:37:59,292 --> 00:38:01,083
capable of knowing that, right?

961
00:38:01,015 --> 00:38:02,015
Yeah. That's

962
00:38:01,083 --> 00:38:02,083
So

963
00:38:01,986 --> 00:38:03,948
that is curious. I I might ask I'll ask
them.

964
00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:05,739
I'll send them an email because I am
curious about that.

965
00:38:05,739 --> 00:38:10,763
So anyway, so this is our last episode ~
that doesn't have a sponsor for the year.

966
00:38:10,763 --> 00:38:14,647
So the all of September we have sponsors
lined up and we're very grateful for that.

967
00:38:14,647 --> 00:38:16,938
But we're really grateful for the members
who support us directly.

968
00:38:16,938 --> 00:38:18,820
You can do that at the link down in the
show notes.

969
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:21,793
You get the whole ad free and member,

970
00:38:21,793 --> 00:38:25,616
you get the pre-show, you get like a two
plus hour show when you support it,

971
00:38:25,616 --> 00:38:27,637
plus you get bonus episodes, primary tech
daily,

972
00:38:27,637 --> 00:38:29,349
and all that fun stuff. So we thought

973
00:38:29,625 --> 00:38:32,528
as our ad break today, we are the ad
break.

974
00:38:32,528 --> 00:38:35,422
Me and Jason me and Jason

975
00:38:33,541 --> 00:38:34,686
We're the sponsors.

976
00:38:35,422 --> 00:38:37,844
are the sponsors, by not paying ourselves,

977
00:38:37,844 --> 00:38:40,617
but plugging our stuff. And so for your
first sponsor today,

978
00:38:40,617 --> 00:38:43,381
it is Element and Contextly. Take it away,

979
00:38:43,381 --> 00:38:44,381
Jason.

980
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:46,191
I don't have an ad read prepared.

981
00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:49,193
We talked about these we expect we we

982
00:38:46,585 --> 00:38:48,085
Well, what's your C T A?

983
00:38:49,193 --> 00:38:51,275
talked about these pretty extensively last
week.

984
00:38:51,275 --> 00:38:52,275
But yeah,

985
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:52,537
Yeah, we

986
00:38:51,895 --> 00:38:54,517
I have two apps. One of them you can get
in the app store,

987
00:38:54,517 --> 00:38:55,968
both the Mac App Store, the iOS,

988
00:38:55,968 --> 00:38:58,189
iPad, whatever. I don't have a Vision Pro
version,

989
00:38:58,189 --> 00:39:01,131
I don't think. But I'm pretty sure you can
just run the iPad version

990
00:39:00,975 --> 00:39:02,647
You can run the iPad version. Yeah.

991
00:39:01,131 --> 00:39:02,342
on the Vision Pro and it's fine.

992
00:39:02,342 --> 00:39:03,342
That's

993
00:39:02,822 --> 00:39:05,464
contextly. ~ it's available in the App
Store.

994
00:39:05,464 --> 00:39:07,405
It's basically notes plus

995
00:39:08,157 --> 00:39:10,968
your calendar syncs to it so that when
you're going through your day,

996
00:39:10,968 --> 00:39:12,959
you can sync all of your notes to your
calendar.

997
00:39:12,959 --> 00:39:17,441
And then the cool feature is that it will
summarize those notes for you

998
00:39:17,441 --> 00:39:20,100
and pull out action items that you can
then send to like things

999
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,184
or reminder or whatever. So it's really
kind of a cool way of like

1000
00:39:23,384 --> 00:39:25,985
a workflow that's between I have a
meeting.

1001
00:39:25,985 --> 00:39:27,646
Here's the notes I took in the meeting.

1002
00:39:27,646 --> 00:39:29,507
What do I need to do after that meeting?

1003
00:39:29,507 --> 00:39:33,039
And then send them. It does not have it
does have like a rudimentary version

1004
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:36,680
of to-dos in it, but the only reason for
that is to collect them and then send them

1005
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,061
to whatever app you're already using.

1006
00:39:38,204 --> 00:39:40,165
Right? This is not a great calendar app.

1007
00:39:40,165 --> 00:39:43,598
It's not a great to-do app. It is meant to
sort of be the in-between.

1008
00:39:43,598 --> 00:39:46,731
It's also like I just wanted an app that
was basically notes,

1009
00:39:46,731 --> 00:39:49,303
but I could access my calendar to sync
things.

1010
00:39:49,303 --> 00:39:53,396
So that's what it is. It's it's designed
to sort of have the same simple feel

1011
00:39:53,396 --> 00:39:54,657
to it as that. So contextually,

1012
00:39:54,657 --> 00:39:57,959
you can get in the Mac App Store or the
iPos app store.

1013
00:39:57,959 --> 00:40:00,251
Great. It's awesome. It's a lot of fun.

1014
00:40:00,251 --> 00:40:01,852
I use it every single day. I love it.

1015
00:40:01,852 --> 00:40:04,945
So the other one is Element, which is a
photo processing app.

1016
00:40:04,945 --> 00:40:07,927
Basically, I did my best to recreate what
Element.

1017
00:40:07,937 --> 00:40:09,508
All the things I loved about Aperture,

1018
00:40:09,508 --> 00:40:12,148
right? I don't love paying a subscription
to Lightroom.

1019
00:40:12,148 --> 00:40:15,690
I don't love I don't love some of the
tools in Lightroom.

1020
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:20,011
To be completely candid, there are
definitely tools I've heard I've gotten
Steven,

1021
00:40:20,011 --> 00:40:26,234
I think it was roughly 350 pieces of
feedback from people using this,

1022
00:40:26,234 --> 00:40:27,234
right? And

1023
00:40:26,577 --> 00:40:27,577
Well

1024
00:40:26,904 --> 00:40:29,341
tried to incorporate all of them and there
are a lot of things where people

1025
00:40:29,341 --> 00:40:32,166
are like, Well, you don't do this the way
that Capture One

1026
00:40:32,166 --> 00:40:34,051
or Photomechanic or Lightroom or whatever.

1027
00:40:34,051 --> 00:40:35,097
I'm like, Yes, because

1028
00:40:35,825 --> 00:40:39,149
Lightroom has, I don't know, a couple
hundred people working on it and

1029
00:40:39,149 --> 00:40:41,302
a few million lines of code and I don't.

1030
00:40:41,302 --> 00:40:45,327
So ~ it's it is it is designed to be very,

1031
00:40:45,327 --> 00:40:48,981
very, very fast. So if you take a lot of
photos and you want to call them

1032
00:40:48,981 --> 00:40:51,444
and edit them very quickly and then either

1033
00:40:52,237 --> 00:40:55,689
export them to one of the services that
you use or send them to clients.

1034
00:40:55,689 --> 00:40:56,910
It's meant to do that very quickly.

1035
00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:59,272
It's not a f Apple Photos replacement,

1036
00:40:59,272 --> 00:41:02,284
although you can just point it at your
photos library and just import

1037
00:41:02,284 --> 00:41:03,544
all that stuff if you want to.

1038
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:07,207
But it is really designed as a raw call
and editor.

1039
00:41:07,207 --> 00:41:13,141
~ and it's available right now if you
actually I'll I'll actually extend this
just

1040
00:41:13,141 --> 00:41:14,762
for our listeners. But if you use

1041
00:41:14,107 --> 00:41:15,107
That's right.

1042
00:41:14,762 --> 00:41:16,313
the code launch 50

1043
00:41:17,053 --> 00:41:18,675
you say fifty percent off

1044
00:41:17,371 --> 00:41:19,301
Fifty. Boom.

1045
00:41:19,306 --> 00:41:20,727
license. This is not a subscription.

1046
00:41:20,727 --> 00:41:23,010
This is a one time you pay for it once,

1047
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,160
One time purchase.

1048
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:26,604
you just use it forever. ~ and if you use
the code launch fifty,

1049
00:41:26,604 --> 00:41:30,399
you'll get fifty percent off of the the
license price.

1050
00:41:30,399 --> 00:41:31,399
So

1051
00:41:30,854 --> 00:41:31,854
Boom.

1052
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:33,392
And we'll do that for the next week
through the tenth.

1053
00:41:33,392 --> 00:41:34,392
So

1054
00:41:33,701 --> 00:41:34,701
There you

1055
00:41:34,021 --> 00:41:37,005
go. So you got you got element photo and
you have contextly.

1056
00:41:37,005 --> 00:41:40,549
Thank you, Jason. ~ this sh this episode
is brought to you by Contextly.

1057
00:41:40,549 --> 00:41:44,083
And you know we should we should name our
like you know,

1058
00:41:44,083 --> 00:41:46,496
the app umbrella. I don't know,

1059
00:41:46,496 --> 00:41:49,320
I don't what you call it. Narnia Narnia
apps,

1060
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,863
like your office area is is Narnia during
the winter.

1061
00:41:51,863 --> 00:41:53,635
Something like that. You know what I mean?

1062
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:53,711
~ well my I

1063
00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:56,154
mean there I do there is an L L C for it,

1064
00:41:56,154 --> 00:41:58,696
but that the apps are in, but yeah,

1065
00:41:56,914 --> 00:41:59,315
Well. Okay.

1066
00:41:58,696 --> 00:41:59,696
anyway.

1067
00:41:59,476 --> 00:42:01,557
So there's that. And I'll just plug my
apps real quickly.

1068
00:42:01,557 --> 00:42:06,010
Can do is doing really well. And I've been
updating it a ton recently.

1069
00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:10,763
I've now added subtasks, the ability to
add a location to a task.

1070
00:42:10,763 --> 00:42:14,895
You can sort individual columns by due
date,

1071
00:42:14,895 --> 00:42:19,268
by name. You can filter columns by tag.

1072
00:42:19,268 --> 00:42:20,869
So I've been adding a bunch new features.

1073
00:42:21,295 --> 00:42:24,847
It's a $3 one-time purchase and you just
get it right now.

1074
00:42:24,847 --> 00:42:27,569
If you've already gotten it, I'd
appreciate a five-star rating and review

1075
00:42:27,569 --> 00:42:30,752
in the App Store and ~ again iOS,

1076
00:42:30,752 --> 00:42:34,004
Mac, iPad, and yes, Vision Pro.

1077
00:42:34,004 --> 00:42:36,876
And I was using it yesterday in Vision Pro
and it works great there.

1078
00:42:36,876 --> 00:42:38,227
I did all the things and I'm like,

1079
00:42:38,227 --> 00:42:39,858
okay, great. This is this is good.

1080
00:42:39,858 --> 00:42:42,600
So that's can do. And you know,

1081
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,112
appreciate that if you want a task ad and
you Kanban boards,

1082
00:42:45,112 --> 00:42:47,944
that's the way to go. And Stash is my
second app.

1083
00:42:47,944 --> 00:42:49,135
This is free to download.

1084
00:42:49,541 --> 00:42:52,022
You can try it out. It is also for iPhone,

1085
00:42:52,022 --> 00:42:58,153
Mac, and Apple Vision Pro. And version 1.1
just came out this morning and

1086
00:42:58,153 --> 00:43:00,324
it has now added a third-party keyboard.

1087
00:43:00,324 --> 00:43:03,925
So if you want to access your text
snippets,

1088
00:43:03,925 --> 00:43:08,586
URLs, documents, gifs, and photos that you
share often,

1089
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,917
you save it in the stash app, and then you
can either put something

1090
00:43:11,917 --> 00:43:14,128
in the control center to access your stuff
quickly.

1091
00:43:14,128 --> 00:43:17,259
You can create a shortcut that immediately
lets you choose a document,

1092
00:43:17,259 --> 00:43:18,459
put it on your clipboard and paste it.

1093
00:43:19,021 --> 00:43:20,661
And now, version one point one,

1094
00:43:20,661 --> 00:43:24,567
you can put the third party keyboard and
just use that wherever you're typing

1095
00:43:24,707 --> 00:43:27,138
and still access everything in your stash
app.

1096
00:43:27,138 --> 00:43:28,431
So that's version one point one.

1097
00:43:28,431 --> 00:43:30,383
The keyboard is part of the free version.

1098
00:43:30,383 --> 00:43:32,275
You get all that for free. Try stash.

1099
00:43:32,275 --> 00:43:33,936
All those links are down in the show
notes.

1100
00:43:33,936 --> 00:43:36,008
And ~ thank you to our sponsors this week.

1101
00:43:36,008 --> 00:43:38,351
Contextly, Element Photo, can do in Stash.

1102
00:43:36,454 --> 00:43:38,487
Yeah. You

1103
00:43:38,487 --> 00:43:41,972
wanna know one of the biggest pieces of
feedback I got and I just noticed this

1104
00:43:41,972 --> 00:43:43,945
because we're looking at a screenshot of
your app store page.

1105
00:43:44,958 --> 00:43:49,179
People were like, I don't understand how
this app is only ten megabytes.

1106
00:43:49,179 --> 00:43:52,520
Because Lightroom is like three point
eight gigabytes.

1107
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,520
And people

1108
00:43:52,953 --> 00:43:53,953
~

1109
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,741
are like, Well, it's like, well,

1110
00:43:54,741 --> 00:43:57,091
I don't have a three and three and a half
million lines of code.

1111
00:43:57,091 --> 00:43:59,272
Also, I don't have like an AI engine in
there.

1112
00:43:59,272 --> 00:44:00,482
Also, like there's a lot of things,

1113
00:44:00,482 --> 00:44:01,482
but like

1114
00:44:01,061 --> 00:44:02,061
Right.

1115
00:44:01,121 --> 00:44:02,121
it's funny

1116
00:44:01,613 --> 00:44:04,763
how people are like, I went to download
your app and it downloaded so fast

1117
00:44:04,763 --> 00:44:06,184
I wasn't sure that I did it right.

1118
00:44:06,184 --> 00:44:10,445
It's like, yeah. Yep.

1119
00:44:06,437 --> 00:44:10,038
Haha, that's funny. Yeah, Stash Stash is a
five megabyte app.

1120
00:44:10,779 --> 00:44:13,838
So and I think Can Do is like fourteen
megabytes.

1121
00:44:13,838 --> 00:44:15,651
Let me check real quick. no, twenty five.

1122
00:44:15,651 --> 00:44:17,061
Can do is twenty five megabytes.

1123
00:44:17,061 --> 00:44:20,753
So, you know, it's a serious app for
serious people.

1124
00:44:17,877 --> 00:44:21,986
There you go. It's bigger than elephant.

1125
00:44:20,753 --> 00:44:23,294
Okay. That's the that's the tagline.

1126
00:44:23,294 --> 00:44:25,105
It's a serious app for serious people.

1127
00:44:25,105 --> 00:44:27,906
All right. Sonos actually released some
products.

1128
00:44:27,906 --> 00:44:30,252
I'll be honest, Jason, I struggle to be
excited about Sonos stuff.

1129
00:44:30,252 --> 00:44:31,627
I don't know why. I love Sonos stuff.

1130
00:44:31,627 --> 00:44:34,459
I use it all the time. But like new Sonos
products,

1131
00:44:34,459 --> 00:44:35,459
it's like, okay.

1132
00:44:36,057 --> 00:44:39,319
That's cool. So they announced Sonos Ace
Ultra,

1133
00:44:39,319 --> 00:44:42,722
new upgraded headphones. These headphones,

1134
00:44:42,722 --> 00:44:46,114
the biggest difference over the last Sonos
Ace is these will connect

1135
00:44:46,114 --> 00:44:51,228
to your Wi-Fi network and actually send
audio over Wi-Fi,

1136
00:44:51,228 --> 00:44:55,711
supposedly using the headphone engine 2
silicon.

1137
00:44:55,711 --> 00:45:02,496
It will connect to your phone or TV and it
enables uncompressed zero latency

1138
00:45:02,496 --> 00:45:03,496
spatial audio.

1139
00:45:05,101 --> 00:45:08,703
In the headphones. Whether you can hear
that difference or not remains to be seen.

1140
00:45:08,703 --> 00:45:11,024
But that's the Sonos Ace Ultra headphones.

1141
00:45:11,024 --> 00:45:15,266
They're going to be five four hundred
fifty dollars,

1142
00:45:15,266 --> 00:45:17,747
which was the price of the I think
original ace when they first came out.

1143
00:45:17,747 --> 00:45:19,067
Right now they're like 300 something.

1144
00:45:19,067 --> 00:45:21,038
But those are the Sonos Ace Ultra.

1145
00:45:21,038 --> 00:45:22,769
They'll be available later this month.

1146
00:45:22,769 --> 00:45:25,751
Listen, I I do headphone reviews on the
channel.

1147
00:45:25,751 --> 00:45:27,491
I don't I don't know if I'm gonna review
these.

1148
00:45:27,491 --> 00:45:30,503
I mean, I feel like nah. Nah,

1149
00:45:30,503 --> 00:45:31,503
bro.

1150
00:45:30,549 --> 00:45:31,549
Yeah, I mean

1151
00:45:30,951 --> 00:45:32,477
there are a lot of headphones out there.

1152
00:45:33,042 --> 00:45:34,042
A lot headphones

1153
00:45:33,713 --> 00:45:35,254
out there. And like it's great,

1154
00:45:35,254 --> 00:45:40,288
you know, Sonos is really trying to come
back from their app debacle

1155
00:45:40,288 --> 00:45:42,680
and all that kind of stuff. So they
launched these and they also launched

1156
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,132
the new Beam Ultra. And again,

1157
00:45:45,132 --> 00:45:50,116
I love my Sonos beam. I use a beam in ~ my
master bedroom with a sub mini.

1158
00:45:50,116 --> 00:45:53,269
Excellent sound. ~ but now, you know,

1159
00:45:53,269 --> 00:45:56,452
the Sony Arc Ultra has was recently
upgraded.

1160
00:45:56,452 --> 00:45:58,083
That's now like eleven hundred dollars.

1161
00:45:58,083 --> 00:46:00,345
And so now there's a beam ultra.

1162
00:46:00,759 --> 00:46:03,890
7.1.2 Dolby Atmos and a soundbar,

1163
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:09,531
$700. It has a I think nine speaker array.

1164
00:46:09,531 --> 00:46:13,873
So nine speakers now in the Sonos Beam
Ultra.

1165
00:46:13,873 --> 00:46:16,003
whereas the previous Sonos Beam,

1166
00:46:16,003 --> 00:46:17,764
like the one I have, just is a 5.0,

1167
00:46:17,764 --> 00:46:20,154
just five speakers. So a lot of speakers
in there.

1168
00:46:20,154 --> 00:46:25,096
It probably sounds amazing. If you are
looking for a high quality soundbar,

1169
00:46:25,096 --> 00:46:27,516
I would still recommend Sonos as the way
to go.

1170
00:46:27,516 --> 00:46:29,097
I think the Sonos Beam

1171
00:46:29,489 --> 00:46:31,450
For a bedroom or smaller living room,

1172
00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:34,071
and now the Beam Ultra would be amazing.

1173
00:46:34,071 --> 00:46:38,873
It I would probably do it over a pair of
HomePod 2s.

1174
00:46:38,873 --> 00:46:40,774
I think it sounds really good,

1175
00:46:40,774 --> 00:46:43,735
especially if you have the funds to be
able to put a sub-mini with it,

1176
00:46:43,735 --> 00:46:45,996
a Sonos sub-mini. But those are out there:

1177
00:46:45,996 --> 00:46:51,408
new soundbar, new headphones, and Sonos
like software 27,

1178
00:46:51,408 --> 00:46:52,459
they're calling it or whatever.

1179
00:46:52,459 --> 00:46:57,841
Sonos is putting more AI and stuff where
you can have ChatGPT.

1180
00:46:58,489 --> 00:47:02,691
and Gemini in the voice assistance of the
Sonos products and you

1181
00:47:02,691 --> 00:47:05,733
can update your devices, including
headphones and your sound bars,

1182
00:47:05,733 --> 00:47:08,635
to talk to AI through your Sonos stuff.

1183
00:47:08,635 --> 00:47:11,136
I don't like that's not something I really
care to do,

1184
00:47:11,136 --> 00:47:12,367
but you know.

1185
00:47:12,627 --> 00:47:16,441
I know, but I want I just like I have a I
don't know what that is,

1186
00:47:16,441 --> 00:47:20,345
an Aero One hundred maybe, and I've got an
an arc and a sub.

1187
00:47:20,345 --> 00:47:22,587
They're fantastic.

1188
00:47:20,623 --> 00:47:23,395
Yeah, yeah. They sound great.

1189
00:47:23,468 --> 00:47:27,557
It's great. There's only one beef which is
the fact that like the you have

1190
00:47:27,557 --> 00:47:29,784
to turn the sound up every time on the
soundbar because for some reason

1191
00:47:29,784 --> 00:47:31,736
it goes to zero every time I turn on my
Apple TV.

1192
00:47:31,736 --> 00:47:32,736
I don't understand.

1193
00:47:32,389 --> 00:47:33,389
Have

1194
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:33,991
you changed that Apple TV setting?

1195
00:47:33,991 --> 00:47:37,056
The audio one? Do that.

1196
00:47:35,525 --> 00:47:37,888
might need to do that. But but

1197
00:47:37,056 --> 00:47:38,056
Yeah.

1198
00:47:37,888 --> 00:47:39,510
but my you know what, you're right.

1199
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:42,313
I think we did do that and it I think
maybe it is better now.

1200
00:47:42,313 --> 00:47:46,278
We don't watch a lot of T V. But my point
is I just wanted to make great sound.

1201
00:47:46,278 --> 00:47:47,278
I don't

1202
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:47,790
Yeah, yeah,

1203
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,621
wanted to do all these other things.

1204
00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:51,801
yeah. Yeah, the AI stuff feels weird and
like I don't know,

1205
00:47:51,801 --> 00:47:53,972
trying to get people into thinking like
the app is fine again.

1206
00:47:53,972 --> 00:47:55,872
One other feature though I will say,

1207
00:47:55,872 --> 00:47:58,293
and this is I'm glad they added it,

1208
00:47:58,293 --> 00:48:01,914
but also it's kind of annoying because you
can use Sonos portable speakers

1209
00:48:01,914 --> 00:48:07,475
now for your surround sounds. So let's say
you have a Sonos beam and a sub-mini,

1210
00:48:07,475 --> 00:48:11,516
and you have a Sonos play, a pair of Sonos
plays or move twos,

1211
00:48:11,516 --> 00:48:14,497
you can now use those as the rear surround
speakers in a setup.

1212
00:48:14,981 --> 00:48:17,663
Which is cool and makes sense because
they're rechargeable speakers.

1213
00:48:17,663 --> 00:48:20,426
You can just bring them into the room when
you watch a movie and then

1214
00:48:20,426 --> 00:48:22,247
put them back outside or wherever you have
them.

1215
00:48:22,247 --> 00:48:24,909
They're portable, so you can again move
them anywhere.

1216
00:48:24,909 --> 00:48:30,804
Cool that you can do that. You do need a
pair of Sonos plays or move twos together.

1217
00:48:30,804 --> 00:48:34,097
And I have a Sonos move two and a Sonos
move one.

1218
00:48:34,097 --> 00:48:35,338
So I can't do this.

1219
00:48:35,668 --> 00:48:36,668
Ha ha.

1220
00:48:36,279 --> 00:48:39,041
You need two move twos or two Sonos plays.

1221
00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:40,302
You can't mix and match a move.

1222
00:48:40,302 --> 00:48:43,565
And this is this has been an ongoing thing
where like

1223
00:48:44,185 --> 00:48:46,866
Sonos allows you to, like if you have a
one,

1224
00:48:46,866 --> 00:48:48,565
I forget what it was. There was another
speaker too,

1225
00:48:48,565 --> 00:48:51,197
where you had to have exactly the same
model for the be t to be used

1226
00:48:51,197 --> 00:48:55,328
as rear speakers. So if there's someone
out there who has two move twos,

1227
00:48:55,328 --> 00:48:57,059
you can now use them as surround speakers.

1228
00:48:57,059 --> 00:48:58,169
But if you have move one and move two,

1229
00:48:58,169 --> 00:49:01,120
you're out of luck. No dice, no dice.

1230
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,500
All right, some AI news. NVIDIA.

1231
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,585
This just happened. This broke this
morning.

1232
00:49:04,585 --> 00:49:05,585
I don't even know if you heard of this,

1233
00:49:05,371 --> 00:49:10,612
Jason. NVIDIA has now said they are buying
Hugging Face,

1234
00:49:10,612 --> 00:49:12,793
the open source AI repository.

1235
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,791
repository for thirteen billion dollars.

1236
00:49:15,791 --> 00:49:17,933
Hugging Face, if you remember,

1237
00:49:17,933 --> 00:49:22,236
was the company that was breached by
OpenAI's models.

1238
00:49:22,236 --> 00:49:24,999
And there's that whole report we touched
on last week.

1239
00:49:24,999 --> 00:49:27,461
But now Nvidia's buying Hugging Face,

1240
00:49:27,461 --> 00:49:32,064
this this repository, I think in a play to
not be so dependent

1241
00:49:32,285 --> 00:49:35,277
on OpenAI or Anthropic using their GPUs,

1242
00:49:35,277 --> 00:49:40,301
they can now do stuff maybe with their
quote unquote own models or at least

1243
00:49:40,301 --> 00:49:42,453
do stuff with open source models and

1244
00:49:43,099 --> 00:49:45,854
Who knows? But kind of a big deal.

1245
00:49:45,854 --> 00:49:47,097
They're buying I can face.

1246
00:49:47,446 --> 00:49:50,638
mean really this is just I think a play
for NVIDIA to control

1247
00:49:50,638 --> 00:49:53,499
the distribution of open open AI models,

1248
00:49:53,499 --> 00:49:59,533
right? The the distribution like sort of
like layer for ~

1249
00:49:57,404 --> 00:49:58,523
For open source models.

1250
00:49:59,713 --> 00:50:04,196
sort of but also like yeah open yeah open
source models and ~ because it's kind

1251
00:50:04,196 --> 00:50:06,017
of like the GitHub for AI models.

1252
00:50:06,017 --> 00:50:08,238
That's kind of what Hugging Face is,

1253
00:50:07,833 --> 00:50:08,833
Right, right.

1254
00:50:08,238 --> 00:50:09,238
right?

1255
00:50:09,539 --> 00:50:13,181
And because NVIDIA needs

1256
00:50:14,651 --> 00:50:18,933
AI as a category to stay bigger than just

1257
00:50:18,394 --> 00:50:19,394
Right.

1258
00:50:18,933 --> 00:50:20,864
OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google.

1259
00:50:20,864 --> 00:50:25,956
And part of the reason is ~ Google doesn't
use NVIDIA chips necessarily,

1260
00:50:25,956 --> 00:50:27,487
right? They use their own stuff.

1261
00:50:27,487 --> 00:50:32,129
OpenAI is we we s heard last week that
they're building their own chip,

1262
00:50:32,129 --> 00:50:33,129
right? And supposedly

1263
00:50:32,485 --> 00:50:33,485
Right.

1264
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,651
it's pretty good. Anthropic's gonna be
doing the same sort of thing.

1265
00:50:36,651 --> 00:50:41,053
And so what they need is it's like their
business depends on there being

1266
00:50:41,053 --> 00:50:44,525
a very robust market for training.

1267
00:50:44,575 --> 00:50:47,234
and running AI and this is a way to do
that.

1268
00:50:47,513 --> 00:50:51,635
Yeah, exactly. So that is NVIDIA my
hugging face.

1269
00:50:51,635 --> 00:50:56,617
And then also yeah news, Fable five point
one updated model came

1270
00:50:56,617 --> 00:51:00,729
out from Anthropic and you're able to use
it immediately if you're

1271
00:51:00,729 --> 00:51:06,351
on like the Claude Max plans, Claude Fable
five dot one and mythos five dot one,

1272
00:51:06,351 --> 00:51:07,541
which is not available to the public,

1273
00:51:07,541 --> 00:51:08,942
but apparently that models it out.

1274
00:51:08,942 --> 00:51:15,245
And I just want to say I've been using
Fable nonstop and can do in stash

1275
00:51:15,245 --> 00:51:16,245
and in development.

1276
00:51:16,741 --> 00:51:18,662
Fable's been really good for most things.

1277
00:51:18,662 --> 00:51:21,885
As soon as Fable 5.1 came out,

1278
00:51:21,885 --> 00:51:26,489
I moved to that model. And that is when I
asked it to build

1279
00:51:26,489 --> 00:51:28,611
the stash third-party keyboard.

1280
00:51:28,611 --> 00:51:32,734
Jason, let just tell you. It one-shotted
that keyboard.

1281
00:51:32,734 --> 00:51:36,517
And I that's what's shipping in the app
right now.

1282
00:51:36,517 --> 00:51:40,900
Like I didn't ha I tested it. I tested it
live during my shortcuts live stream

1283
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,482
on Wednesday. And it worked great.

1284
00:51:43,482 --> 00:51:46,345
Everything was flawless. And

1285
00:51:46,565 --> 00:51:49,843
The first shot. And so Fable five dot one,

1286
00:51:49,843 --> 00:51:51,676
thumbs up for me.

1287
00:51:51,935 --> 00:51:54,248
Did it give you a boat emoji and say ship
it?

1288
00:51:54,883 --> 00:51:58,784
It is supposedly Fable Five. One is also
going to be less annoying in

1289
00:51:58,784 --> 00:52:01,235
how it talks to you. Supposedly.

1290
00:51:58,884 --> 00:52:00,153
I sure hope so.

1291
00:52:01,636 --> 00:52:05,577
In the few pr like I only did a few
prompts back and forth because it only
took

1292
00:52:05,577 --> 00:52:07,438
a few prompts for that stash thing.

1293
00:52:07,438 --> 00:52:13,440
But I think I think it's a little less
annoying and it's a little clearer

1294
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:18,022
on its explanations. Like it's given me a
few bullet points rather than like four

1295
00:52:18,022 --> 00:52:20,143
paragraphs to read every time it makes a
change.

1296
00:52:20,143 --> 00:52:23,264
And just less follow up.

1297
00:52:23,264 --> 00:52:24,264
Like I've

1298
00:52:23,992 --> 00:52:26,413
Sometimes when I make a UI tweak,

1299
00:52:26,413 --> 00:52:28,373
you know, sometimes I'll ask Claude,

1300
00:52:28,373 --> 00:52:34,005
like, hey, I want the icon in the cards
for the can do app to be like this

1301
00:52:34,005 --> 00:52:36,676
or move this a little bit. And with Fable
Five,

1302
00:52:36,676 --> 00:52:39,096
sometimes it would take two or three
iterations to be like,

1303
00:52:39,096 --> 00:52:40,917
you know, you didn't really move it where
I wanted it.

1304
00:52:40,917 --> 00:52:42,704
Let me draw it. Let me pull, you know,

1305
00:52:42,704 --> 00:52:45,698
put an arrow in the screenshot so you know
exactly where to put it.

1306
00:52:45,698 --> 00:52:49,379
The few times I've had for UI changes with
Fable 5.1,

1307
00:52:49,379 --> 00:52:52,650
just in the last week, much less back and
forth.

1308
00:52:53,048 --> 00:52:55,490
And less iterations, which is great
because that means less tokens

1309
00:52:55,770 --> 00:52:57,711
and less requests that I'm sending to
Claude.

1310
00:52:57,711 --> 00:53:02,194
And they also changed how they are
charging for certain models and so

1311
00:53:02,194 --> 00:53:03,635
you might get a little more usage out of
it.

1312
00:53:03,635 --> 00:53:08,248
But again, test flight for Stash and Can
Do is part of the membership benefits

1313
00:53:08,248 --> 00:53:10,760
if you support the podcast. Those links
are down in the show notes.

1314
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,561
But Fable five dot one, pretty great.

1315
00:53:12,561 --> 00:53:15,143
I'd be curious if you do anything with it
soon with your apps.

1316
00:53:14,578 --> 00:53:16,290
I've been using it. I've

1317
00:53:15,143 --> 00:53:16,224
Okay.

1318
00:53:16,290 --> 00:53:18,472
yeah, I mean it's I think it's pretty
good.

1319
00:53:18,472 --> 00:53:24,437
I've been I used it actually to to do a
little bit of editing on some stuff,

1320
00:53:24,437 --> 00:53:27,540
but I I've realized that I

1321
00:53:28,072 --> 00:53:30,523
Typically unless I'm doing some pretty
extensive stuff,

1322
00:53:30,523 --> 00:53:32,474
just use Opus five because

1323
00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:32,940
Really.

1324
00:53:33,014 --> 00:53:36,656
yeah, for most things it's fine and I'm a
little bit picky about the

1325
00:53:36,656 --> 00:53:39,677
way it responds and I prefer like you get
used to a thing.

1326
00:53:39,677 --> 00:53:43,279
But for cowork stuff, Opus V is just
totally fine.

1327
00:53:43,279 --> 00:53:46,901
Like I don't need to run Fable to do some
of the cowork stuff because

1328
00:53:46,901 --> 00:53:50,583
you just like set up a r I set up a bunch
of these routines once and

1329
00:53:50,583 --> 00:53:54,284
it just does them. Like every day I get an
email and it pulls the

1330
00:53:54,284 --> 00:53:57,666
top ten stories from the previous day.

1331
00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:58,970
puts

1332
00:53:58,130 --> 00:54:01,196
them in a digest, loads it as a page in in
Notion for me,

1333
00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:03,860
and then emails me a summary of it with a
link to the Notion page.

1334
00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:05,907
I don't need fable to be able to do that.

1335
00:54:05,907 --> 00:54:08,829
I don't need to burn that many tokens
every time this runs at five fifteen

1336
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:09,829
in the morning.

1337
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,164
Yeah, well and I use Opus for everything
outside of my apps.

1338
00:54:14,164 --> 00:54:17,256
Yeah, yeah, I use Yeah,

1339
00:54:14,338 --> 00:54:17,073
Sure, okay. Fair. That's basically I guess
what I'm saying.

1340
00:54:17,073 --> 00:54:18,073
So yeah.

1341
00:54:17,256 --> 00:54:18,256
I use

1342
00:54:17,907 --> 00:54:19,829
right, I use Opus V for all of that.

1343
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:22,271
But when it comes when I'm going over to
Cloud Code,

1344
00:54:22,271 --> 00:54:24,573
it's Fable all the time. And the other
thing too,

1345
00:54:24,573 --> 00:54:30,298
I am I built or asked Claude Code to build
an MCP connector for Candu.

1346
00:54:30,298 --> 00:54:33,440
And Fable 5.1 seems to have done it great.

1347
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,482
And so Yeah.

1348
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:36,359
Nice.

1349
00:54:35,802 --> 00:54:37,642
Next version of Can Do will have MCP
support.

1350
00:54:38,628 --> 00:54:43,619
Couple court things. The ongoing lawsuit
between OpenAI and the New York Times.

1351
00:54:43,619 --> 00:54:45,012
This has been going on for a long time.

1352
00:54:45,012 --> 00:54:47,553
Well, the Trump administration actually
weighed in on it.

1353
00:54:47,553 --> 00:54:50,615
And they sided with OpenAI for a couple
things.

1354
00:54:50,615 --> 00:54:55,197
One, I'm gonna read from the the
statement.

1355
00:54:55,197 --> 00:54:57,319
It says well, this is from the Wired
article,

1356
00:54:57,319 --> 00:54:58,940
which I'll link below. It says on Tuesday,

1357
00:54:58,940 --> 00:55:01,031
the federal government submitted a letter
to the court stating that

1358
00:55:01,031 --> 00:55:05,213
the United States has a strong interest in
whether AI training on copyright works

1359
00:55:05,213 --> 00:55:06,724
is considered fair use.

1360
00:55:07,086 --> 00:55:10,278
Because it connects to whether the
country's AI industry can,

1361
00:55:10,278 --> 00:55:12,359
and this is quoting from the
administration statement,

1362
00:55:12,359 --> 00:55:15,881
retain global leadership and artificial
intelligence,

1363
00:55:15,881 --> 00:55:19,853
and the fair use rule shields certain uses
of copyrighted material.

1364
00:55:19,853 --> 00:55:24,195
So basically the Trump administration is
saying we need to remain competitive

1365
00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:30,659
as America in the AI race, and letting
these companies like OpenAI slurp

1366
00:55:30,659 --> 00:55:34,471
up all the content and creation that
humans have done for years needs to

1367
00:55:34,471 --> 00:55:36,712
be okay so we can remain.

1368
00:55:37,243 --> 00:55:40,774
competitive. Now, I'm of I'm of two minds
here.

1369
00:55:40,774 --> 00:55:44,496
One, fair use as a thing,

1370
00:55:44,496 --> 00:55:50,738
like I I taught a class a few years ago
about podcasting,

1371
00:55:50,738 --> 00:55:54,940
and fair use was like a training that I
had to take in order to teach

1372
00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:57,301
the class and then I had to like try and
explain it.

1373
00:55:57,301 --> 00:55:59,942
And fair use is one of the things where,

1374
00:55:59,942 --> 00:56:04,773
you know, if something is transformative
where you take a piece of work

1375
00:56:04,773 --> 00:56:06,294
and you remix it like a song.

1376
00:56:06,550 --> 00:56:10,222
In some cases, you're allowed to do that
under fair use.

1377
00:56:10,222 --> 00:56:13,103
Or if you want to use 15 seconds of
something,

1378
00:56:13,103 --> 00:56:17,105
fair use allows for that. 15 seconds of a
video of a song in something that

1379
00:56:17,105 --> 00:56:20,213
you make. Or things like, you know,

1380
00:56:20,213 --> 00:56:24,738
parody, comedy, those are also like uses
of content,

1381
00:56:24,738 --> 00:56:27,729
but it's transformative. And so fair use,

1382
00:56:27,729 --> 00:56:29,810
and also like for educational purposes.

1383
00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:34,452
Like there's rules in fair use where if
you want to show a ~

1384
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:37,831
movie to a class for an educational
purpose,

1385
00:56:37,831 --> 00:56:42,283
it's a film class, there's like rules in
fair use where you can do that.

1386
00:56:42,283 --> 00:56:48,320
I mean, in I d I don't think fair use was
developed as a

1387
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:54,238
l like a law way before AI. And so to say
that what AI is doing is fair use,

1388
00:56:54,238 --> 00:56:56,248
I feel like is cart before the horse,

1389
00:56:56,248 --> 00:56:59,710
like I think you would have to examine
what that means in an AI context

1390
00:56:59,710 --> 00:57:01,751
to say this is fair use or not.

1391
00:57:01,751 --> 00:57:04,500
But also that

1392
00:57:05,272 --> 00:57:09,203
Remaining competitive in the AI landscape
is dependent on slurping

1393
00:57:09,203 --> 00:57:14,094
up all this content and using people's
work and writing and creative works
without

1394
00:57:14,094 --> 00:57:18,446
permission, that that's that seems
strange.

1395
00:57:18,446 --> 00:57:21,927
Like I don't know why that's you know I I
mean I get it,

1396
00:57:21,927 --> 00:57:23,977
but that seems like maybe not a great
reason.

1397
00:57:23,977 --> 00:57:30,259
And three, what does it mean to be to fall
behind AIs of other countries

1398
00:57:30,659 --> 00:57:33,200
and what is the risk? Is it cybersecurity?

1399
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,200
Is it

1400
00:57:34,244 --> 00:57:35,930
Hacking, like what is the risk?

1401
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:37,366
There's not really explanations there.

1402
00:57:38,238 --> 00:57:42,840
Yeah, I think it's interesting because I
don't I'm super not a lawyer,

1403
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:48,503
but I am someone who has made a lot of
copyrighted material as a photographer,

1404
00:57:48,503 --> 00:57:51,885
as a writer, all that stuff. So like this
is a thing I do care about,

1405
00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:57,098
right? And one of the pieces about fair
use is the idea that essentially fair

1406
00:57:57,098 --> 00:58:00,869
use is saying that copyright protection is
not absolute.

1407
00:58:00,869 --> 00:58:05,712
There are ways you can use copyrighted
materials without the owner's consent,

1408
00:58:05,712 --> 00:58:07,623
right? What

1409
00:58:08,261 --> 00:58:11,614
~ one way of thinking about it is fair use
essentially says you can

1410
00:58:11,614 --> 00:58:14,806
do things that otherwise would be a
violation of someone's copyright,

1411
00:58:14,831 --> 00:58:15,831
Right.

1412
00:58:15,767 --> 00:58:20,320
but it's okay. And the and typically
there's like four prongs to this,

1413
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,392
right? It's like the purpose and the use
of it.

1414
00:58:22,392 --> 00:58:26,595
There's the like what is the copyright
work that you're using,

1415
00:58:26,595 --> 00:58:28,346
what is the effect on the market,

1416
00:58:28,346 --> 00:58:29,817
and then how much of it are you using?

1417
00:58:29,817 --> 00:58:31,589
And I think on most of those counts,

1418
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:34,001
like what the companies have done.

1419
00:58:35,273 --> 00:58:37,434
For sure the amount is like all of it.

1420
00:58:37,434 --> 00:58:39,845
It's like just like all you you fair

1421
00:58:39,493 --> 00:58:40,493
Yeah.

1422
00:58:39,845 --> 00:58:42,514
use, the idea is like you shoe a showed a
clip from a movie in a class

1423
00:58:42,514 --> 00:58:45,497
and then you gave commentary on it because
you're studying films.

1424
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:48,394
Right Right Right.

1425
00:58:45,497 --> 00:58:48,139
Not you just showed the whole movie
because

1426
00:58:48,539 --> 00:58:50,200
it's like maybe we could make one like
this.

1427
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,881
Right? Like it's not that's not how this
is supposed to work.

1428
00:58:51,398 --> 00:58:53,344
Right. Right.

1429
00:58:52,881 --> 00:58:53,881
And as

1430
00:58:53,361 --> 00:58:55,262
far as the effect on the potential market,

1431
00:58:55,262 --> 00:58:58,423
if you get to a point where you can just
ask ChatGPT,

1432
00:58:58,423 --> 00:59:02,085
hey, spit out the article from yesterday's
New York Times headline.

1433
00:59:02,585 --> 00:59:03,585
Right.

1434
00:59:03,057 --> 00:59:04,878
Is that really going to be fair use?

1435
00:59:04,878 --> 00:59:09,669
Now, it's tricky because the New York
Times article from yesterday wasn't used

1436
00:59:09,669 --> 00:59:13,280
to train the the version of Chat GPT that
you're using,

1437
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,171
but it can just regurgitate it because it
can do a Google search or whatever it is.

1438
00:59:16,591 --> 00:59:17,591
Right.

1439
00:59:17,171 --> 00:59:19,742
And so it is really kind of tricky.

1440
00:59:19,742 --> 00:59:25,624
And the this feels like one of those
things that

1441
00:59:25,624 --> 00:59:29,745
the administration has said that is true.

1442
00:59:30,985 --> 00:59:32,767
But that's not the reason that they said
it.

1443
00:59:32,767 --> 00:59:37,852
So what I mean is, yes, we want to be like
the global leaders in AI.

1444
00:59:37,852 --> 00:59:40,334
We do not want any other company,

1445
00:59:40,334 --> 00:59:42,756
really, we're just talking at this point
about China,

1446
00:59:42,756 --> 00:59:45,399
to have better AI capabilities than us.

1447
00:59:45,399 --> 00:59:48,242
And for sure China's just slurping up the
entire internet.

1448
00:59:48,242 --> 00:59:50,053
Right? But that is such

1449
00:59:49,016 --> 00:59:50,016
Right. Right.

1450
00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:54,237
a weird argument to say we should do more
bad than they did because we need

1451
00:59:54,237 --> 00:59:55,859
to be better than they are. Like

1452
00:59:56,231 --> 00:59:59,003
Is that really the argument? And what

1453
00:59:58,447 --> 00:59:59,447
Yeah.

1454
00:59:59,003 --> 01:00:05,128
it seems like is actually happening is
that like here's what I mean by they said

1455
01:00:05,128 --> 01:00:06,319
a thing that's true, which is that,

1456
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:07,820
but that's not the reason that they're
saying it.

1457
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:11,153
Well, th it feels like the reason they're
saying it is because all

1458
01:00:11,153 --> 01:00:16,877
of these AI CEOs have just done everything
they can to buddy

1459
01:00:16,877 --> 01:00:20,320
up against the administration so they can
get these kind of outcomes.

1460
01:00:20,911 --> 01:00:23,452
Correct. And this other so and to be
clear,

1461
01:00:23,452 --> 01:00:27,433
this was a letter from the Trump
administration to the court trying

1462
01:00:27,433 --> 01:00:32,144
to sway the opinion. But the court the
court doesn't have to like take this into

1463
01:00:32,144 --> 01:00:35,795
account at all or follow it. Like this is
just the administration telling their

1464
01:00:35,795 --> 01:00:38,396
position and trying to be convincing or
persuasive.

1465
01:00:38,396 --> 01:00:40,596
This is not, you know, binding in any way.

1466
01:00:40,596 --> 01:00:42,457
This sh doesn't have to affect the
outcome.

1467
01:00:42,457 --> 01:00:46,558
But one of the parts in the letter is that
training LLMs on copyrighted works

1468
01:00:46,558 --> 01:00:49,729
is considered, quote, extraordinarily
transformative.

1469
01:00:50,211 --> 01:00:53,253
Meaning that these systems meaningfully
change their inputs.

1470
01:00:53,253 --> 01:00:57,037
And the administration ~ argued and also
wrote that OpenAI's LLMs

1471
01:00:57,037 --> 01:01:01,000
do not significantly compete with the New
York Times' articles,

1472
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,262
which that feels just patently false,

1473
01:01:03,262 --> 01:01:06,885
because there were times in years past I
don't like a year or two

1474
01:01:06,885 --> 01:01:10,608
ago where you could ask ChatGPT and it
would just like tell you the article.

1475
01:01:10,608 --> 01:01:15,472
Or there's been many times where I'll be
running a shortcut for primary tech daily

1476
01:01:15,652 --> 01:01:17,954
that will like an article might be
paywalled,

1477
01:01:17,954 --> 01:01:19,245
but if I send that link.

1478
01:01:19,769 --> 01:01:23,225
to an LLM, it will then just give me a
summary back.

1479
01:01:23,225 --> 01:01:27,213
And it's like, okay, it did not give me
the verbatim article,

1480
01:01:27,213 --> 01:01:30,259
but it also did a thing where I didn't
have

1481
01:01:29,694 --> 01:01:30,694
They definitely had an

1482
01:01:30,357 --> 01:01:32,798
effect on the market because you didn't
have to pay for the paywall.

1483
01:01:33,124 --> 01:01:35,525
That. And so there's like clear,

1484
01:01:35,525 --> 01:01:38,907
like there's sweeping statements in this
letter that are patently just not true,

1485
01:01:38,907 --> 01:01:42,689
I think. Like it does affect whether
someone pays for the subscription.

1486
01:01:42,689 --> 01:01:45,590
And saying extraordinarily transformative,

1487
01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:47,831
like that that wording is doing a lot of
work.

1488
01:01:47,831 --> 01:01:51,858
Like I don't like trying to say
transformative is it in I don't know,

1489
01:01:51,858 --> 01:01:55,795
it's it's wordsmithing just trying to like
wave handed away.

1490
01:01:55,795 --> 01:01:56,826
Like it's extraordinarily

1491
01:01:55,988 --> 01:01:56,988
Yeah.

1492
01:01:56,826 --> 01:01:57,826
transformative, so it's fine.

1493
01:01:57,899 --> 01:01:59,919
I think at the I think on the one hand,

1494
01:01:59,919 --> 01:02:05,630
for the purpose of research, training
would absolutely be considered fair use,

1495
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:08,191
don't you think? Like if it's like we're
gonna train all these things because we're

1496
01:02:08,191 --> 01:02:10,712
doing research, but the moment you make
them into products,

1497
01:02:10,712 --> 01:02:12,882
now you've invited like the market effect.

1498
01:02:12,882 --> 01:02:14,163
And you s in these

1499
01:02:13,742 --> 01:02:14,742
Yeah.

1500
01:02:14,163 --> 01:02:19,304
in the purpose and the character of the
use changes dramatically in terms

1501
01:02:19,304 --> 01:02:23,985
of like going from a research conceptual
thing to

1502
01:02:24,453 --> 01:02:27,446
We're shipping chat GPT. Two point five is
here,

1503
01:02:27,446 --> 01:02:29,876
it's out the door. We got a billion users.

1504
01:02:29,967 --> 01:02:33,677
But and that but and that much research
would inevitably lead to a product.

1505
01:02:33,677 --> 01:02:34,820
Otherwise why would they do it?

1506
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:35,820
You know what I mean? Like

1507
01:02:36,737 --> 01:02:39,679
I think the people who joined OpenAI to
begin with did not do

1508
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:41,160
it because they thought it was gonna be
product.

1509
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,861
And that doesn't matter for the court,

1510
01:02:41,323 --> 01:02:42,809
Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

1511
01:02:42,809 --> 01:02:44,275
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1512
01:02:42,861 --> 01:02:44,281
but I'm just saying like originally

1513
01:02:44,281 --> 01:02:47,583
this was like, Yeah, let's let's let's
figure this kind of thing out.

1514
01:02:47,583 --> 01:02:51,626
I think one reason that the court has done
this is that there are,

1515
01:02:51,626 --> 01:02:56,168
I believe, a couple of instances where
lower court judges have said that training

1516
01:02:56,629 --> 01:02:58,930
is fair use. I don't know the particulars
of this.

1517
01:02:58,930 --> 01:03:00,351
So don't

1518
01:02:59,992 --> 01:03:00,992
Yeah, yeah.

1519
01:03:00,371 --> 01:03:01,591
like I don't wanna go too far,

1520
01:03:01,591 --> 01:03:03,653
but it does seem like the administration

1521
01:03:04,667 --> 01:03:09,015
wants to have their opinion of this on the
record because courts

1522
01:03:09,015 --> 01:03:14,414
do typically weigh the Department of
Justice perspectives

1523
01:03:14,414 --> 01:03:17,800
on things fairly weightily, right?

1524
01:03:17,624 --> 01:03:18,624
Yeah,

1525
01:03:17,848 --> 01:03:18,848
yeah, yeah.

1526
01:03:18,663 --> 01:03:23,727
And I think that they want it to have
their opinions on the record before those

1527
01:03:23,727 --> 01:03:27,480
cases reach the appeals courts or the
Supreme Court.

1528
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,683
Right. They're trying to sort of seed the
record and im influence that

1529
01:03:31,003 --> 01:03:34,646
now and because they're not a party to the
case.

1530
01:03:34,646 --> 01:03:36,367
Right? Like the the the

1531
01:03:35,161 --> 01:03:36,179
Right, right, right, right.

1532
01:03:36,367 --> 01:03:39,820
federal government either they have would
have to sue someone or be sued,

1533
01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:41,231
but that doesn't make any sense here.

1534
01:03:41,231 --> 01:03:43,313
So so

1535
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:42,801
Right, they're just not a part of it,

1536
01:03:42,801 --> 01:03:43,801
yeah.

1537
01:03:43,681 --> 01:03:47,544
And whether one other open AI piece of
news,

1538
01:03:47,544 --> 01:03:51,497
we had talked about this model Astra that
OpenAI put the brakes

1539
01:03:51,497 --> 01:03:54,949
on recently because they thought it was w
I don't know,

1540
01:03:54,949 --> 01:03:56,630
might be too powerful or whatever.

1541
01:03:56,630 --> 01:04:01,274
And one of the researchers voiced this
concern,

1542
01:04:01,274 --> 01:04:07,008
and I want to read this from the Verge
article about what makes Astra maybe more

1543
01:04:07,008 --> 01:04:08,729
concerning than other models.

1544
01:04:09,747 --> 01:04:12,489
And as an explanation, like when you use
these LLMs,

1545
01:04:12,489 --> 01:04:14,811
as it is quote unquote thinking,

1546
01:04:14,811 --> 01:04:17,834
which I understand that word is not
totally accurate to what it's doing,

1547
01:04:17,834 --> 01:04:22,237
but as they think and reason, even as you
can ask Fable 5.1 to do something,

1548
01:04:22,237 --> 01:04:23,538
like make a change to your app,

1549
01:04:23,538 --> 01:04:25,910
and you can see the processes it's going
through.

1550
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:27,221
You can see what tools it's using,

1551
01:04:27,221 --> 01:04:29,623
you can see what websites it might be
visiting,

1552
01:04:29,623 --> 01:04:33,306
what you know, thought processes it's
going through.

1553
01:04:33,306 --> 01:04:38,530
And that allows those testing and training
these LLMs to see what

1554
01:04:38,530 --> 01:04:39,530
the model is doing.

1555
01:04:39,577 --> 01:04:44,629
To a certain extent. Well, Astra
apparently uses a more opaque technique.

1556
01:04:44,629 --> 01:04:45,870
I'm reading from the Verge article now,

1557
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:49,711
known as a recurrent depth or looped
transformer,

1558
01:04:49,711 --> 01:04:53,513
which cycles information through internal
layers before producing an output.

1559
01:04:53,513 --> 01:04:58,745
This would mean much more of the model's
thinking happens inside the system

1560
01:04:58,745 --> 01:05:03,567
and in a form that looks a lot less like
natural human language rather than being

1561
01:05:03,567 --> 01:05:05,918
expressed in a way that researchers can
easily monitor.

1562
01:05:05,918 --> 01:05:07,779
This might boost model performance.

1563
01:05:08,055 --> 01:05:10,856
But makes potential threats and unwanted
behavior harder to detect.

1564
01:05:10,856 --> 01:05:12,817
So what this means is this Astra model,

1565
01:05:12,817 --> 01:05:14,718
as it is working on something,

1566
01:05:14,718 --> 01:05:17,369
like maybe a cybersecurity issue,

1567
01:05:17,369 --> 01:05:19,640
but then it also might go off and hack
hugging face,

1568
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,791
that researchers can't look inside and see
what it's thinking,

1569
01:05:23,791 --> 01:05:26,833
how it's reasoning. So it's even more of a
black box.

1570
01:05:26,833 --> 01:05:31,324
Like a lot of LLM research and what it's
doing is a black box already.

1571
01:05:31,324 --> 01:05:35,806
And this is even more opaque because it it
produ it is running through this

1572
01:05:35,806 --> 01:05:37,527
information in a more obscure way.

1573
01:05:37,955 --> 01:05:41,521
Which feels like again, raptors in
Jurassic Park.

1574
01:05:41,521 --> 01:05:43,906
We can't even see what they're doing
inside the cage,

1575
01:05:43,906 --> 01:05:45,509
so we don't even know what's happening.

1576
01:05:45,509 --> 01:05:46,741
That seems like a bad idea.

1577
01:05:47,539 --> 01:05:49,670
Yeah, I mean we already know that these
things,

1578
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:53,871
w with in the hugging face like made their
own message board and they could

1579
01:05:53,871 --> 01:05:56,572
go and see the conversation. But now
imagine if you couldn't.

1580
01:05:56,572 --> 01:05:58,212
Imagine if you had no

1581
01:05:57,485 --> 01:05:58,485
Rights.

1582
01:05:58,212 --> 01:06:03,754
idea what was going on. And so it isn't
it's not it's not necessarily

1583
01:06:03,809 --> 01:06:07,925
I don't think that they're worried that
this particular one will be capable

1584
01:06:07,925 --> 01:06:10,076
of more things. It's that we won't know
what it's capable of.

1585
01:06:11,788 --> 01:06:13,609
Yeah, that. That's that seems scary.

1586
01:06:13,609 --> 01:06:15,519
So anyway, there was some other news.

1587
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:19,801
~ Google dodged some of its breakup
attempt and AdTech doesn't have to

1588
01:06:19,801 --> 01:06:23,134
be sold off right now. Uber is laying off
ten percent of its staff,

1589
01:06:23,134 --> 01:06:27,757
which is wild. But I want to get to our
event prognostications,

1590
01:06:27,757 --> 01:06:29,928
Jason. This time

1591
01:06:28,380 --> 01:06:30,675
Okay, good. I was wondering if we were
gonna do that.

1592
01:06:30,809 --> 01:06:35,501
Yeah, this time next week, we will know
definitively what Apple has announced.

1593
01:06:35,501 --> 01:06:37,232
The event is next Wednesday, September
ninth,

1594
01:06:37,232 --> 01:06:39,473
one PM Eastern, ten A.M. Pacific,

1595
01:06:39,473 --> 01:06:40,614
and

1596
01:06:41,098 --> 01:06:43,389
I don't know, man. It looks like this is
the year that we're going to

1597
01:06:43,389 --> 01:06:45,720
get the iPhone fold. Are you what?

1598
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:50,283
Big picture. What do you think we're going
to see announced next week?

1599
01:06:50,283 --> 01:06:53,911
I'll I'll let me run down what I think.

1600
01:06:53,911 --> 01:06:55,326
I'll tell you and then give you time to
think.

1601
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:56,069
Okay.

1602
01:06:56,066 --> 01:07:01,009
I think we're going to see the iPhone 18
Pro and the iPhone Fold or Ultra,

1603
01:07:01,009 --> 01:07:06,232
whatever that's called. We're going to see
Apple Watch Series 12

1604
01:07:06,432 --> 01:07:10,504
and Apple Watch Ultra 4, and maybe AirPods
5.

1605
01:07:11,896 --> 01:07:12,896
I think that's all we're gonna see.

1606
01:07:12,886 --> 01:07:16,727
I am so hoping to see smart home stuff.

1607
01:07:16,727 --> 01:07:20,328
I think it will be at a later event or
another time.

1608
01:07:20,328 --> 01:07:23,059
You know, if the iPhone fold is really
coming out next Wednesday,

1609
01:07:23,059 --> 01:07:24,610
they're gonna spend a lot of time on it.

1610
01:07:24,610 --> 01:07:29,661
And I feel like, yeah. I th I think we're
we'll have to wait for Apple

1611
01:07:29,661 --> 01:07:32,512
TV and HomePod maybe October, maybe press
release.

1612
01:07:32,512 --> 01:07:36,313
We'll see. And, you know, this has been
one of the things up in the air.

1613
01:07:36,313 --> 01:07:39,794
Will Apple release an iPhone 18 non-pro
model?

1614
01:07:40,803 --> 01:07:46,788
And I am now of the opinion that I think
Apple will not release the 18.

1615
01:07:46,788 --> 01:07:50,371
This way they can keep the starting price
of the iPhone.

1616
01:07:50,371 --> 01:07:55,235
And they can say the iPhone 17 starts at
$7.99 and that's not changing.

1617
01:07:55,235 --> 01:07:59,358
But the 18 Pro and the Fold will be more
expensive.

1618
01:07:59,358 --> 01:08:01,840
Raise the price because of all the
Ramageddon and stuff.

1619
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,973
So I feel like I'm I'm 50 50, but I feel
like we might not see an iPhone

1620
01:08:05,973 --> 01:08:09,206
18 next week. We might just see the Pro
and the Fold model.

1621
01:08:09,612 --> 01:08:12,947
And I feel like the event will be Apple
Watch series twelve,

1622
01:08:12,947 --> 01:08:15,711
Apple Watch Ultra, AirPods in the middle,

1623
01:08:15,711 --> 01:08:19,256
eighteen pro iPhone fold. That's my
prediction.

1624
01:08:19,256 --> 01:08:20,488
What do you think?

1625
01:08:20,626 --> 01:08:23,987
I mean, I think that's probably right.

1626
01:08:24,702 --> 01:08:27,222
I forgot that we're already on the fourth
ultra because I'm still rocking

1627
01:08:27,222 --> 01:08:29,434
a Ultra 2 because I'm I'm not giving

1628
01:08:28,216 --> 01:08:29,322
Same. I'm on the two.

1629
01:08:29,434 --> 01:08:30,875
it up because I got a real one.

1630
01:08:30,875 --> 01:08:33,666
I got one that actually has a blood oxygen
sensor in it.

1631
01:08:31,810 --> 01:08:36,718
The blood oxygen. Yeah. Yeah.

1632
01:08:33,666 --> 01:08:35,237
And I don't really need that very often,

1633
01:08:35,237 --> 01:08:37,298
but I it's like all the parts are turned
on.

1634
01:08:36,718 --> 01:08:40,354
Right. That's right.

1635
01:08:37,298 --> 01:08:38,518
I want the one with all the parts.

1636
01:08:38,518 --> 01:08:41,420
Is that John Syracuse? It's like just I
want the one with all the parts.

1637
01:08:40,354 --> 01:08:41,768
Yeah, yeah. I'll give you all the cores.

1638
01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:43,921
I want all the parts to be to work.

1639
01:08:41,768 --> 01:08:43,088
I don't want any dead cores in there.

1640
01:08:43,088 --> 01:08:44,280
Yep.

1641
01:08:43,921 --> 01:08:44,921
So

1642
01:08:44,291 --> 01:08:46,722
I d I want all my sensors to work the way
they're supposed to,

1643
01:08:46,722 --> 01:08:48,083
the way God intended.

1644
01:08:46,966 --> 01:08:48,606
That's it. That's right.

1645
01:08:49,444 --> 01:08:51,364
I I think that seems about right,

1646
01:08:51,364 --> 01:08:53,906
but I'm curious what you think the story
will be.

1647
01:08:54,666 --> 01:08:59,678
I feel like I understand I think that the
the pro line

1648
01:08:59,678 --> 01:09:03,549
of phones is the I think it's the most
popular,

1649
01:09:03,549 --> 01:09:05,450
right? Like I think typically it's more
popular.

1650
01:09:04,012 --> 01:09:05,337
It is the most popular usually.

1651
01:09:05,337 --> 01:09:06,337
Yeah.

1652
01:09:05,450 --> 01:09:06,450
But

1653
01:09:06,970 --> 01:09:10,492
I still think it's not that popular by
much.

1654
01:09:10,492 --> 01:09:13,273
I see a lot of base iPhones out there.

1655
01:09:13,273 --> 01:09:14,273
And

1656
01:09:14,317 --> 01:09:15,317
Right.

1657
01:09:14,873 --> 01:09:17,114
normal people who don't pay a lot of
attention,

1658
01:09:17,114 --> 01:09:22,316
I don't you think it's gonna feel like a
miss if there's no i iPhone eighteen?

1659
01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:24,347
Yeah, and why I'm fifty fifty.

1660
01:09:24,347 --> 01:09:25,846
Like I could easy just as easily flop
you're like,

1661
01:09:25,846 --> 01:09:27,331
Yeah, yeah, that's probably gonna be an
iPhone eighteen.

1662
01:09:27,331 --> 01:09:29,493
I just if there's an iPhone eighteen,

1663
01:09:29,493 --> 01:09:32,236
do you think it's gonna start at seven
ninety nine,

1664
01:09:32,236 --> 01:09:33,938
the current price of the iPhone seventeen,

1665
01:09:33,938 --> 01:09:35,120
or are they gonna up the price?

1666
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,012
That's the question.

1667
01:09:37,150 --> 01:09:41,855
Hmm. ~ or they do one of those jujitsu
things where the prices increase,

1668
01:09:41,855 --> 01:09:43,988
but actually it's because it has a
different level of storage

1669
01:09:43,988 --> 01:09:46,771
or something weird like that. So

1670
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:46,390
Correct.

1671
01:09:46,771 --> 01:09:49,914
Or they're gonna go 'cause doesn't the the
iPhone seventeen start at two fifty six?

1672
01:09:49,857 --> 01:09:50,857
It does.

1673
01:09:50,415 --> 01:09:54,259
So maybe they go back to one twenty eight
and keep the price the same.

1674
01:09:54,915 --> 01:09:57,702
That is a possibility too, although I mean

1675
01:09:58,069 --> 01:10:00,201
'Cause isn't that basically what they just
did with the Mac Mini?

1676
01:10:00,201 --> 01:10:02,714
Didn't they kill the

1677
01:10:01,954 --> 01:10:02,954
They

1678
01:10:02,714 --> 01:10:04,696
lower the the two fifty six version?

1679
01:10:04,696 --> 01:10:05,696
So

1680
01:10:04,909 --> 01:10:05,909
Yes.

1681
01:10:05,367 --> 01:10:07,889
the price went up and you had to buy five
twelve and now the price

1682
01:10:07,889 --> 01:10:10,902
is more expensive than that, but you only
get the two fifty six.

1683
01:10:10,902 --> 01:10:13,445
Yeah, it's like insane.

1684
01:10:10,914 --> 01:10:11,975
That is exactly what happened,

1685
01:10:11,975 --> 01:10:15,838
yes. That could be what happens.

1686
01:10:15,838 --> 01:10:16,919
Yeah.

1687
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,528
That could be yeah, I think that might be
it.

1688
01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:25,902
I so I don't know. I I think that if
they're going to from a time perspective
spend

1689
01:10:25,902 --> 01:10:29,773
a lot of time on the Ultra, then they
don't have a lot of time to talk about

1690
01:10:29,773 --> 01:10:34,365
the base phone. I just think the story's
really weird if it's like we do

1691
01:10:34,365 --> 01:10:38,686
the we do the the f the iPhone seven or
the iPhone eighteen pro,

1692
01:10:38,686 --> 01:10:40,887
iPhone eighteen pro Max, great.

1693
01:10:40,887 --> 01:10:43,068
iPhone Ultra, great. And then people are
like

1694
01:10:43,972 --> 01:10:45,734
I I just imagine all the conversations I'm
gonna have,

1695
01:10:45,734 --> 01:10:46,734
people are gonna be like, Wait,

1696
01:10:46,595 --> 01:10:48,357
what happened to the one that I buy?

1697
01:10:48,357 --> 01:10:50,750
Where's my phone? you have to wait till

1698
01:10:48,758 --> 01:10:50,636
Yeah. That's true.

1699
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:52,943
the spring for that? That's a weird story.

1700
01:10:53,438 --> 01:10:57,379
It is weird. I mean, it also might be same
chip as the seventeen.

1701
01:10:57,379 --> 01:11:01,260
And if that's the case, what will they
upgrade?

1702
01:11:01,260 --> 01:11:03,941
You know, I feel like it already has
camera control,

1703
01:11:03,941 --> 01:11:05,842
it has an action button, and now has
ProMotion.

1704
01:11:05,842 --> 01:11:08,042
They can make the camera a little better.

1705
01:11:08,042 --> 01:11:10,883
You know, the big rumor about the new Pro
Phones is that they'll have

1706
01:11:10,883 --> 01:11:14,364
a variable aperture, an actual physical
shutter inside the camera

1707
01:11:14,664 --> 01:11:16,204
to adjust the aperture setting.

1708
01:11:16,204 --> 01:11:21,206
Maybe that's just pro, maybe they bring
some camera improvement to the eighteen.

1709
01:11:22,232 --> 01:11:25,685
But I feel like whatever improvement it
would be and and different colors.

1710
01:11:25,685 --> 01:11:29,068
You know, new colors would be that's
always a popular move.

1711
01:11:29,068 --> 01:11:32,392
So yeah, maybe they do it, but it's like
five minutes of the keynote.

1712
01:11:32,392 --> 01:11:34,594
You know what I mean? It's like new
eighteen pro,

1713
01:11:34,594 --> 01:11:37,437
new eighteen, new colors, upgraded camera.

1714
01:11:37,437 --> 01:11:38,840
That's it.

1715
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:43,592
Yeah, it just seems like it'd be so weird
as a story to not to not have

1716
01:11:43,592 --> 01:11:47,805
the base one. I mean, I know they do the E
version like it some other time

1717
01:11:47,805 --> 01:11:52,307
and that's f that's fine, but that is a a
much more niche product,

1718
01:11:52,307 --> 01:11:53,307
right?

1719
01:11:53,345 --> 01:11:57,827
Yeah, and I'm I'm also curious what aside
from the variable aperture,

1720
01:11:57,827 --> 01:12:01,759
what could even the eighteen pros offer
that's new this year?

1721
01:12:01,759 --> 01:12:03,630
You know, a big upgraded camera,

1722
01:12:03,630 --> 01:12:06,672
that's cool, but we got the body change
style last year.

1723
01:12:06,672 --> 01:12:13,185
And I listen, I have like five different
cases right

1724
01:12:13,185 --> 01:12:14,806
now for the iPhone eighteen Pro Max,

1725
01:12:14,806 --> 01:12:17,968
like from different brands, and they all
fit perfectly.

1726
01:12:17,968 --> 01:12:20,869
The button placement is exactly the same.

1727
01:12:20,869 --> 01:12:22,410
The camera, the big

1728
01:12:22,606 --> 01:12:25,537
plateau cutout is the same. So we'll have
like a new color.

1729
01:12:25,537 --> 01:12:29,529
It's look like it might be that purple and
variable aperture camera.

1730
01:12:29,529 --> 01:12:32,810
New processor in the eighteen pro,

1731
01:12:32,810 --> 01:12:34,651
maybe a two nanometer processor.

1732
01:12:34,651 --> 01:12:39,299
What else? I don't know. I don't know of
anything else that would be I

1733
01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:39,450
Yeah, I don't know.

1734
01:12:39,299 --> 01:12:42,234
don't know. Maybe thunder they're not
gonna put Thunderbolt in it.

1735
01:12:42,234 --> 01:12:43,795
Although I would like that, but they're
probably not.

1736
01:12:43,795 --> 01:12:48,617
Maybe for like I don't know. Maybe eight K
eight K video recording.

1737
01:12:48,617 --> 01:12:50,386
That's something we still don't have on
iPhone.

1738
01:12:48,946 --> 01:12:50,895
No. That's not gonna happen.

1739
01:12:50,386 --> 01:12:51,386
You don't

1740
01:12:50,926 --> 01:12:51,926
think it's gonna happen?

1741
01:12:52,768 --> 01:12:55,229
Okay. Well, anyway, I I'm very curious.

1742
01:12:55,229 --> 01:12:58,240
I do think a majority of the time is gonna
be spent on the iPhone fold.

1743
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,261
It feels like this is really happening.

1744
01:13:00,261 --> 01:13:03,242
Like this is the deal. A lot of people on
social media I I said,

1745
01:13:03,242 --> 01:13:06,834
you know, I have all these cases for the
eighteen pro that brands have sent

1746
01:13:06,834 --> 01:13:10,936
me already, and so it's obvious that they
know the dimensions and

1747
01:13:10,936 --> 01:13:14,578
all that kind stuff. I actually had a
couple of brands say,

1748
01:13:14,578 --> 01:13:18,689
Let's see about the fold, and we might
send you something for that.

1749
01:13:18,689 --> 01:13:20,990
Which either's means one

1750
01:13:21,538 --> 01:13:24,661
They were unsure of the dimensions or
whether the case would be good.

1751
01:13:24,661 --> 01:13:27,323
Two, they're unsure when it's going to
come out.

1752
01:13:27,323 --> 01:13:30,506
And this was the other thing I've been
saying on social media.

1753
01:13:30,506 --> 01:13:36,551
We might see iPhone 18 and 18 Pro where
you pre order next Friday

1754
01:13:37,372 --> 01:13:40,224
the eleventh. Those are available the
eighteenth,

1755
01:13:40,224 --> 01:13:43,817
but maybe the fold isn't available till
October or something.

1756
01:13:43,241 --> 01:13:44,241
Right.

1757
01:13:43,878 --> 01:13:45,239
You know, that's a possibility.

1758
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:48,438
So do do you think that we might see that
or you think it's all available

1759
01:13:48,438 --> 01:13:49,438
at the same time?

1760
01:13:49,456 --> 01:13:52,721
I wouldn't be surprised if the fold takes
longer because they've done that before.

1761
01:13:52,721 --> 01:13:54,943
They've done it with like the Pro Max or
whatever.

1762
01:13:55,695 --> 01:13:58,913
Yeah, and even well and one thing we
haven't talked about at all and

1763
01:13:58,913 --> 01:14:01,189
I see almost nowhere is like the iPhone
Air.

1764
01:14:01,189 --> 01:14:03,766
It seems universal that we're not gonna
see anything about the iPhone

1765
01:14:03,766 --> 01:14:04,766
Air on Wednesday.

1766
01:14:04,742 --> 01:14:07,739
Well, that's interesting 'cause I've I the
rumor is they will have a two.

1767
01:14:08,654 --> 01:14:10,055
But j yeah, but not at this event,

1768
01:14:10,055 --> 01:14:11,216
supposedly.

1769
01:14:11,943 --> 01:14:12,943
Interesting.

1770
01:14:12,657 --> 01:14:16,500
Yeah. Which, you know, I will I got my
iPhone Air right here.

1771
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:18,022
I bought mine off technically T,

1772
01:14:18,022 --> 01:14:20,364
YouTuber, because he sold it to me used.

1773
01:14:20,364 --> 01:14:22,065
And it's it was my beta device,

1774
01:14:22,065 --> 01:14:24,207
and then I started running the beta on my
main phone and didn't matter.

1775
01:14:24,207 --> 01:14:28,971
I went to a Yemeni coffee place this past
weekend.

1776
01:14:28,971 --> 01:14:32,134
~ it's near the college here, USF.

1777
01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:34,956
A lot college students, a lot of different
people.

1778
01:14:34,956 --> 01:14:37,038
I saw like three iPhone Airs.

1779
01:14:37,568 --> 01:14:39,811
in that coffee place at once. And I was
very surprised.

1780
01:14:39,811 --> 01:14:42,521
~ but people I I think they like the
iPhone Air.

1781
01:14:42,521 --> 01:14:43,521
It's out there.

1782
01:14:43,328 --> 01:14:50,091
I think that if you can get if you are not
a heavy camera care which lens you're

1783
01:14:50,091 --> 01:14:52,972
using, just get the air. It's incredible.

1784
01:14:50,786 --> 01:14:53,411
Yeah. I still feel so good, man.

1785
01:14:52,972 --> 01:14:56,074
It's incredible. Yeah.

1786
01:14:53,411 --> 01:14:56,978
Like so thin, so light. It is really.

1787
01:14:56,074 --> 01:14:57,074
I can't do that

1788
01:14:56,994 --> 01:14:58,515
with mine because it's my camera right
now,

1789
01:14:58,515 --> 01:15:01,016
but it would be bad, but

1790
01:14:59,546 --> 01:15:00,546
Okay, well

1791
01:15:01,687 --> 01:15:03,818
yeah. can you do the the rubber pencil
thing?

1792
01:15:03,818 --> 01:15:05,469
Probably not. Anyway. Yeah, I think you
can.

1793
01:15:04,616 --> 01:15:06,844
Probably not while it's not while I'm
using it as a camera.

1794
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:09,591
No no, not you. Anyway, I'm I'm excited,

1795
01:15:09,591 --> 01:15:14,063
Jason. I'm ~ I'll be we'll be I'm gonna do
a recap video right after

1796
01:15:14,063 --> 01:15:17,315
the event on Wednesday. Then we'll talk
about the event during the Thursday show.

1797
01:15:17,315 --> 01:15:20,677
And are you still gonna be in New York for
the recording?

1798
01:15:20,060 --> 01:15:21,464
Not on Thursday. No, I'll be back.

1799
01:15:20,677 --> 01:15:22,992
~ you're c so you're coming back like
Wednesday?

1800
01:15:21,464 --> 01:15:23,008
I'm actually

1801
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:26,338
I'm actually wrong. I the event is on
Wednesday.

1802
01:15:26,338 --> 01:15:28,324
I may come home before the event.

1803
01:15:26,540 --> 01:15:29,034
Yeah. ~

1804
01:15:29,335 --> 01:15:31,148
well look at that. There you go.

1805
01:15:32,271 --> 01:15:33,498
The Wednesday thing is weird.

1806
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:36,021
It's weird 'cause of Labor Day and all
that kind of stuff,

1807
01:15:36,021 --> 01:15:37,021
but anyway,

1808
01:15:36,157 --> 01:15:37,157
Yep.

1809
01:15:36,791 --> 01:15:40,203
we'll see. Stay tuned. You can look at my
YouTube channel for a recap video,

1810
01:15:40,203 --> 01:15:41,513
talk all about the announcements.

1811
01:15:41,513 --> 01:15:45,095
I'm excited. It's happening. real quick on
personal tech,

1812
01:15:45,095 --> 01:15:49,177
and then we're gonna talk about in the
bonus episode what makes a device pro.

1813
01:15:49,177 --> 01:15:51,078
I wanna get into that a little bit.

1814
01:15:50,869 --> 01:15:51,869
'Cause

1815
01:15:51,090 --> 01:15:53,145
that's not a conversation anyone's ever
had before.

1816
01:15:53,145 --> 01:15:56,905
So we're gonna have it. You're probably
right.

1817
01:15:53,419 --> 01:15:55,801
Listen, I don't think we've had it.

1818
01:15:55,801 --> 01:15:56,881
Okay, that's

1819
01:15:57,022 --> 01:16:01,084
that's what matters. But I want to talk a
little bit about scammy apps.

1820
01:16:01,084 --> 01:16:04,027
This was a thread someone tagged me in on
threads.

1821
01:16:04,027 --> 01:16:07,149
This is from user caffeine and cab.

1822
01:16:07,149 --> 01:16:10,581
And I actually she has emailed me more
information.

1823
01:16:10,581 --> 01:16:12,483
I didn't get a chance to look at it all
before we recorded.

1824
01:16:12,483 --> 01:16:18,257
This is ~ Miranda, but she was reporting
on an app called Valid.

1825
01:16:18,257 --> 01:16:19,928
And this

1826
01:16:21,140 --> 01:16:25,253
App is super, it seems like a weird
vibe-coded scam that allows

1827
01:16:25,253 --> 01:16:29,746
you to anonymously compliment classmates.

1828
01:16:29,746 --> 01:16:31,207
Like this is geared at high school,

1829
01:16:31,207 --> 01:16:37,502
middle school age students, where you can
send compliments and maybe pay for things.

1830
01:16:37,502 --> 01:16:41,425
It's free to try, but then you have to pay
ten dollars and you get quote unquote

1831
01:16:41,425 --> 01:16:45,228
God mode, which lets you see who's
complimenting you,

1832
01:16:45,228 --> 01:16:48,070
which feels gross. And

1833
01:16:48,908 --> 01:16:51,750
the reviews of the app. She has a bunch of
screenshots.

1834
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:54,281
I'll include her threads post,

1835
01:16:54,281 --> 01:16:57,454
but she also emailed me a bunch of like
the screenshots.

1836
01:16:57,454 --> 01:16:59,025
If you go to the reviews for this app,

1837
01:16:59,025 --> 01:17:02,407
just seems extremely sketchy. And,

1838
01:17:02,407 --> 01:17:07,240
you know, this is the bad side of vibe
coding where we already we've

1839
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,722
had scam apps forever. They've been in the
app store since the I am rich

1840
01:17:10,722 --> 01:17:12,105
app that was a thousand dollars.

1841
01:17:12,105 --> 01:17:13,514
You know when the app store first
launched.

1842
01:17:13,502 --> 01:17:14,502
However,

1843
01:17:13,862 --> 01:17:16,195
that okay, stuff sorry to interrupt you.

1844
01:17:16,108 --> 01:17:17,108
Yeah, please.

1845
01:17:16,876 --> 01:17:20,180
I think it's imp I definitely do not want
to have a conversation about what

1846
01:17:20,180 --> 01:17:22,602
is a word again, because this will be the
third time.

1847
01:17:22,602 --> 01:17:27,247
However, I do it is important to say like
what a scam app is because the

1848
01:17:26,529 --> 01:17:27,529
Yes.

1849
01:17:27,247 --> 01:17:29,310
re I I'm Rich App was not a scam.

1850
01:17:29,310 --> 01:17:30,501
You knew exactly what

1851
01:17:29,473 --> 01:17:30,473
It was not a scam.

1852
01:17:30,501 --> 01:17:34,466
it cost. It was ridiculous, but the people
who paid for it knew exactly what they

1853
01:17:34,466 --> 01:17:35,466
were doing.

1854
01:17:35,052 --> 01:17:36,346
That is a hundred percent true.

1855
01:17:36,346 --> 01:17:38,352
I that should not be in the scam category.

1856
01:17:38,227 --> 01:17:39,227
The scams

1857
01:17:38,352 --> 01:17:39,352
We actually agree.

1858
01:17:39,048 --> 01:17:41,251
to me, I was thinking about this before.

1859
01:17:41,251 --> 01:17:45,007
Like our daughter one time downloaded an
app that was like,

1860
01:17:45,007 --> 01:17:48,442
you can take two people's pictures and
it'll show you what their baby's gonna
look

1861
01:17:48,442 --> 01:17:50,435
like. That's basically what this app was.

1862
01:17:50,435 --> 01:17:51,435
It was stupid.

1863
01:17:50,637 --> 01:17:51,637
Right.

1864
01:17:52,553 --> 01:17:54,134
But in order it was a free app,

1865
01:17:54,134 --> 01:17:56,455
and then when you did the thing,

1866
01:17:56,455 --> 01:17:58,737
it would let you see the picture for like
a short amount of time,

1867
01:17:58,737 --> 01:18:00,598
and then you had to tap a button to see it
longer,

1868
01:18:00,598 --> 01:18:02,659
and that button actually signed you up for
subscription.

1869
01:18:02,659 --> 01:18:06,601
And that subscription was actually like
$6.99 a week or something stupid like
that,

1870
01:18:06,539 --> 01:18:07,539
Yes, yes.

1871
01:18:06,601 --> 01:18:07,673
or a day or something.

1872
01:18:07,682 --> 01:18:10,914
That's a scam app. I just want to be
clear,

1873
01:18:10,914 --> 01:18:16,307
like, and even this one that we're talking
about feels like it's a super gross app.

1874
01:18:16,307 --> 01:18:17,948
The question is like

1875
01:18:18,202 --> 01:18:21,906
Is it a scam? Because the only way it's
getting money is if you sign up

1876
01:18:21,906 --> 01:18:24,318
for the ten ninety nine or the nine ninety
nine plan.

1877
01:18:24,318 --> 01:18:25,860
The rest of it's just disgusting.

1878
01:18:26,474 --> 01:18:30,927
Yeah, and I think she describes she does
not describe it as a scam app.

1879
01:18:30,927 --> 01:18:33,788
She describes it as a cash grabbing data
disaster,

1880
01:18:33,788 --> 01:18:38,311
which I think is accurate. ~ because kids
are putting in the name

1881
01:18:38,311 --> 01:18:41,443
of their school and the name of students,

1882
01:18:41,443 --> 01:18:44,064
and you have to your kids info,

1883
01:18:44,064 --> 01:18:46,986
name, phone number, and the school they
attend is the minimum amount.

1884
01:18:46,986 --> 01:18:49,087
So they are giving data to this app,

1885
01:18:49,087 --> 01:18:51,428
including their phone number and the
school they attend.

1886
01:18:51,428 --> 01:18:54,050
So there's like a safety data issue with
that.

1887
01:18:54,848 --> 01:18:58,720
Again, there's already a bunch of bullying
and stuff like that happening

1888
01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:02,482
on this service. So just be aware of that
if you're a parent,

1889
01:19:02,482 --> 01:19:05,584
you have kids, or you're a student and you
might be using this app.

1890
01:19:05,584 --> 01:19:11,748
And there's also a bunch of reviews that A
seem paid for because they're like five

1891
01:19:11,748 --> 01:19:15,100
star reviews, but then there's also a
bunch of like one and two star reviews
talking

1892
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:16,551
about the negative effects of this app.

1893
01:19:16,551 --> 01:19:22,434
And that's a difficult thing to parse
because they like

1894
01:19:22,634 --> 01:19:25,436
You can buy reviews for an app if you
really wanted to.

1895
01:19:25,436 --> 01:19:29,438
That is also, I think, scammy behavior if
you want to make your app look like

1896
01:19:29,438 --> 01:19:31,199
it has more positive views than it does.

1897
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:32,720
So it's hard to tell from that.

1898
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,621
But if you look at also the one star
reviews,

1899
01:19:34,621 --> 01:19:37,602
that's a thing. And also looking at the
developer responses,

1900
01:19:37,602 --> 01:19:40,894
because a developer can actually reply to
reviews now and you

1901
01:19:40,894 --> 01:19:42,875
can see their response, that's a way to
see it.

1902
01:19:42,875 --> 01:19:46,107
But this questionable app,

1903
01:19:46,107 --> 01:19:49,369
and I wanted to bring up another app
because this hit home for me.

1904
01:19:49,369 --> 01:19:51,860
My son asked if he could download an app
called

1905
01:19:52,302 --> 01:19:55,893
Tester up, which and I'm not gonna link
any of these apps in the notes because

1906
01:19:55,893 --> 01:19:57,003
I wouldn't suggest downloading them.

1907
01:19:57,003 --> 01:20:03,145
But this was apparently ~ like proffered
by a YouTuber he followed,

1908
01:20:03,145 --> 01:20:08,705
and the idea is you quote unquote test
games and then get paid.

1909
01:20:08,705 --> 01:20:10,867
Now, if we want to define a scam,

1910
01:20:10,867 --> 01:20:13,087
if the promise is you get paid for playing
apps,

1911
01:20:13,087 --> 01:20:15,368
they you play a certain amount of time,

1912
01:20:15,368 --> 01:20:16,528
they say you're in a certain amount of
money,

1913
01:20:16,528 --> 01:20:17,708
but you never get paid for it,

1914
01:20:17,708 --> 01:20:19,008
I would define that as a scam.

1915
01:20:18,909 --> 01:20:19,909
That's definitely a scam.

1916
01:20:19,949 --> 01:20:20,949
Okay, thank you.

1917
01:20:21,237 --> 01:20:23,869
And so that feels like you know,

1918
01:20:23,869 --> 01:20:28,392
the app says you have to sign up with a
PayPal account or put in checking info

1919
01:20:28,392 --> 01:20:31,604
to get paid, which heck no. Like not doing
that.

1920
01:20:30,942 --> 01:20:32,110
Ha ha ha.

1921
01:20:31,604 --> 01:20:32,604
May

1922
01:20:32,705 --> 01:20:37,548
maybe a PayPal account. But he believes
that he will get paid for this.

1923
01:20:37,548 --> 01:20:41,451
He has earned, I think, eight cents ~ at
his according to the app so far.

1924
01:20:41,451 --> 01:20:44,533
You have to earn eighty dollars to get a
payout.

1925
01:20:44,533 --> 01:20:49,327
So it's like, okay, maybe maybe maybe
that's not a scam.

1926
01:20:49,327 --> 01:20:50,327
I don't know.

1927
01:20:50,509 --> 01:20:52,920
If anyone heard of Tester Up or has
actually tried it,

1928
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,050
never actually got paid for it.

1929
01:20:54,050 --> 01:21:00,102
But I just I don't like the and as much as
we have vibe coded stuff ourselves

1930
01:21:00,102 --> 01:21:03,373
and apps that we like and enjoy and have
put out there for people to pay for,

1931
01:21:03,373 --> 01:21:09,194
there is also the risk of a lot of people
can vibe code either scammy apps

1932
01:21:09,514 --> 01:21:13,005
or just gross apps that might have major
data implications.

1933
01:21:13,005 --> 01:21:15,262
Like for our apps, I don't know,

1934
01:21:15,262 --> 01:21:18,187
but I don't think Cam Texas, like you
never have to put your contact info

1935
01:21:18,187 --> 01:21:19,187
for our apps.

1936
01:21:19,026 --> 01:21:22,417
No, literally neither of my apps collect
any personal information.

1937
01:21:22,261 --> 01:21:23,379
Yeah, like none.

1938
01:21:22,417 --> 01:21:23,568
The only thing

1939
01:21:23,568 --> 01:21:25,449
the element collects, and I don't collect
this,

1940
01:21:25,449 --> 01:21:27,539
Paddle collects it, is an email address.

1941
01:21:27,539 --> 01:21:30,240
And the only reason is that way I can look
up your license code later

1942
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:31,741
if you lose it. Like that's it.

1943
01:21:31,741 --> 01:21:33,852
Lit like one thing. I don't even know who
you are.

1944
01:21:33,852 --> 01:21:37,583
There's just a thing that says email
address and license code.

1945
01:21:37,583 --> 01:21:38,884
Like so that we can help you.

1946
01:21:39,785 --> 01:21:45,409
Right, and this app one has four point
five thousand ratings,

1947
01:21:45,409 --> 01:21:49,192
which is like no. Like there were some
definitely bought there.

1948
01:21:49,192 --> 01:21:50,433
Sorry. ~

1949
01:21:50,044 --> 01:21:51,044
Yeah, how

1950
01:21:50,467 --> 01:21:52,523
did you even get four and a half thousand
downloads?

1951
01:21:53,792 --> 01:21:56,703
Right. And it has the in app purchase,

1952
01:21:56,703 --> 01:22:00,004
ten dollars, and it's data linked to you.

1953
01:22:00,004 --> 01:22:01,195
Like and you can see in the app store,

1954
01:22:01,195 --> 01:22:02,905
remember the new privacy nutrition labels,

1955
01:22:02,905 --> 01:22:06,526
you can see data linked to you and your
contact info is linked to you via this
app.

1956
01:22:06,526 --> 01:22:10,528
So the app gets your data, like your phone
number and stuff.

1957
01:22:10,528 --> 01:22:14,049
So anyway, watch out. Watch out for this
stuff.

1958
01:22:13,426 --> 01:22:14,426
Yeah, and then it says

1959
01:22:14,157 --> 01:22:16,380
data not linked to you, contacts.

1960
01:22:16,380 --> 01:22:20,645
Except one of the developer responses says
very clearly,

1961
01:22:20,645 --> 01:22:24,309
~ you basically you got this because
someone you know had their

1962
01:22:25,131 --> 01:22:26,933
had shared their contacts with us.

1963
01:22:26,933 --> 01:22:27,933
It's

1964
01:22:27,201 --> 01:22:28,201
Right.

1965
01:22:27,774 --> 01:22:29,075
like, okay, that's not good.

1966
01:22:29,262 --> 01:22:32,694
And that's the that's the thing where I'm
glad Apple implemented this feature

1967
01:22:32,694 --> 01:22:36,916
recently. I think it was in IOS twenty six
where when an app asks for your contact,

1968
01:22:36,916 --> 01:22:41,479
you can choose to just select certain
contacts rather than like with you

1969
01:22:40,912 --> 01:22:41,912
Yeah.

1970
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,850
can with photos, rather than give it carte
blanche full access

1971
01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:45,271
to your entire contact library.

1972
01:22:45,271 --> 01:22:48,963
The unfortunate is you can't control what
other people who have your contact info,

1973
01:22:48,818 --> 01:22:49,818
Right.

1974
01:22:48,963 --> 01:22:49,963
like your

1975
01:22:49,233 --> 01:22:53,365
family and friends, when they downloaded
an app and they share if your contact info

1976
01:22:53,365 --> 01:22:55,836
was on their phone, well now however
careful you were,

1977
01:22:55,836 --> 01:22:56,947
it doesn't matter because it's out

1978
01:22:56,902 --> 01:22:57,902
Right.

1979
01:22:57,311 --> 01:22:58,342
in whatever app. So

1980
01:22:58,286 --> 01:22:59,286
Right.

1981
01:22:58,762 --> 01:23:02,904
listen, friends don't let friends share
all their contact data with random scammy

1982
01:23:02,904 --> 01:23:05,505
apps. That's the tagline for today.

1983
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,160
That's a good rule.

1984
01:23:06,226 --> 01:23:08,247
It's a good rule. I'm glad we can agree,

1985
01:23:08,247 --> 01:23:10,608
Jason. We we ended this episode agreeing,

1986
01:23:10,608 --> 01:23:11,839
even if we didn't end last episode,

1987
01:23:11,839 --> 01:23:16,041
but that's okay. I want to talk about iPad
in the bonus episode,

1988
01:23:16,041 --> 01:23:18,132
because people have thoughts about iPad.

1989
01:23:17,513 --> 01:23:18,513
Let's do it.

1990
01:23:18,653 --> 01:23:20,184
So we're gonna talk about that in our
bonus episode.

1991
01:23:20,184 --> 01:23:21,604
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1992
01:23:21,604 --> 01:23:22,925
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1993
01:23:22,925 --> 01:23:24,956
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1994
01:23:24,956 --> 01:23:26,527
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1995
01:23:26,909 --> 01:23:28,890
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1996
01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:30,732
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1997
01:23:30,732 --> 01:23:32,093
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1998
01:23:32,093 --> 01:23:34,524
Thank you so much. Getting us to five
hundred reviews.

1999
01:23:34,524 --> 01:23:37,617
That is awesome. Huge. Next stop is one
thousand.

2000
01:23:37,617 --> 01:23:39,438
Come on somebody. So anyway,

2001
01:23:38,932 --> 01:23:39,932
Let's do it.

2002
01:23:39,518 --> 01:23:41,579
let's do it. but thank you for that.

2003
01:23:41,579 --> 01:23:42,700
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2004
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:45,782
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