Khamar-Daban Incident & The Haunting of Esther Cox

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Hies!
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Welcome to Plot Twists and Punch Lives.
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I'm Steph and I'm Mel.
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Two best friends here to distract you from the world.
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Join us each week while we both dive into a new conspiracy theory we were thinking of this week and give our questionable takes on that.
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So grab your blanket, your coffee, and your emotional support cryptid, and let's get into today's episode.
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Hey We're back! We're back! Welcome to season two, episode two.
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Hell yeah.
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What's been going on in the past two weeks?
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Um, not a lot.
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Still wedding planning.
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We're getting closer.
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We're officially four months away.
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I know.
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I'm so excited.
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And the Bachelorette party is coming up soon.
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That's gonna be so fun.
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That is gonna be very fun.
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I hope I remember it the next day.
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I hope you do too.
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Yes, but otherwise, just working and trying to remain sane.
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I already cried once today, so.
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Oh, what'd you cry about?
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Um, I cried because I felt like I uh am not good at keeping the house clean.
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Because like my my ambition in life is to just be a housewife, and so it bothers me when I have other things going on in life that makes me not good at what I think is my job.
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I feel that, I feel that.
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But I mean, life happens.
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That's what Jason is.
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Jason is like, it's so dirty.
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No, it's not.
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Yeah.
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I'm in her house right now.
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I promise Jason, not no, it's it's just like it could use some picking up, you know.
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But whatever.
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It's not that big of a deal.
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It's just because I'm you also have four animals.
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Yes.
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And the four animals have her.
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Oh my gosh.
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That just happened.
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And they are shedding so bad.
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I literally just swept yesterday and then I had to do a sweep through before you came over.
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It's fine.
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No, your house is nice, it is not dirty.
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How about you?
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What's been going on?
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Um, you started school.
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I did start school uh earlier this month at the very actually, I think the 31st, like August 31st was my first day.
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Um yeah, it's been a lot harder than I thought.
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I originally signed up for three courses.
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I dropped one of them because I just can't do three classes.
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Yeah.
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My second class, I think, starts in two weeks.
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That's an English class.
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That's gonna be a lot more papers.
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Yeah, that will be a lot more papers.
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Yeah, right now I'm just doing uh my sign language class.
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So hopefully that gets I I don't know.
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I didn't expect to have to write papers for this class, which I don't know why I didn't.
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I should have figured college, you have to write essays no matter what.
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But I wasn't expecting that.
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Especially in sign language.
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You just shouldn't your exams be like video, like you talking with your hands?
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Um, well, this is just ASL one.
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I'm probably not gonna start doing that until later.
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I see.
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Right now, the only videos I've had to do was like me introducing myself and then asking the teacher what his name was in sign language.
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But um watch a documentary and then write a paper about documentary.
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Um we also have an assignment where I have to go to a deaf event and then I have to talk to a deaf person and then write um a paper about them, the experience and the events.
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And you would think living by Ann Arbor, we would have a lot of deaf event.
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There's some in Detroit, but Detroit's like an hour away from where we are.
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Yeah.
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So there's one uh in Novi.
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There's none in Ann Arbor coming up.
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There's one in Novi that actually the teacher was telling us about, and it happens to be like the only one near us because it has to be due by um the beginning of October, the end of September.
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Okay.
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It's September 19th, and it's like deaf night out.
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So I feel like we're just going to like a deaf night out.
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Like, I know I'm supposed to be going to a deaf event, and like I'm just gonna be like, you're like, this is not my space.
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But it's like deaf night out, so it's like where are you supposed to go and hang out with other deaf people?
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It feels weird that that is the event that I choose to go to, but also my um teacher is like fully deaf, he doesn't speak at all.
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Um, it's a Zoom class, so we do it over Zoom, and like everyone's mics are muted, no one's allowed to talk in the class at all.
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We only use sign language.
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So he um so he's like, this is a good event for you guys to come to.
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So I feel like it's okay because like somebody in the community somebody who's deaf said it was fine, yeah.
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But it still feels weird to me, and then I feel like bad about feeling weird about it because I'm like, I I don't want to put them in a corner and be like, oh, I don't want to be where like that's not it at all.
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Right, right.
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I just don't wanna like I don't know how to explain it.
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I know what you mean, yeah.
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Yeah, like I don't feel like they need their own event, yeah, yeah.
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But I I don't I know what you mean.
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It's like you they they chose to have their own event, so it feels weird that it's a lot of people.
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So they have a community, like a hearing person would intrude in the event.
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Yes.
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It's like yeah, it also sucks that they like feel like they have to have their own event, you know?
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I I don't know.
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I'm not trying to be like, I don't I don't know what I'm trying to say.
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I think feel like I'm gonna cancel myself on accident.
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No, I think the people will understand.
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Um, I do wonder when you introduced yourself, did you say, hi, my name is Mel, and I'm just a dumb bitch who says things.
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Uh no, because I can't talk.
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Oh yeah.
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No, I just said hi, and then I spelled my name, and then I said, What's your name?
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And that was it.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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But with a lot less words.
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Right.
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And a lot more hand gestures.
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Okay, I'm gonna stop talking.
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So we're we're gonna get canceled after this episode.
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Out of all of the things that we've said, this is what's gonna cancel.
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Yes, yes.
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Oh my gosh.
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Okay.
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What are you talking about today?
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Oh, yeah, me.
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Where's my phone?
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I am going first today.
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I can't even um pronounce what you are talking about, so uh, where's my mail tab?
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Okay, so this week I am oh wait, do we have anything else to talk about?
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Any updates for the podcast, anything like that?
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Um, I don't think so.
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I think just as a reminder, we're doing every other week.
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Oh yes, yes.
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We didn't forget this time, like sometimes we did last week, or there was no technical issues.
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We are only releasing episodes once every other week until around November, December, because that is when I'm moving into my new place.
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And that is when I'm moving into my new place uh November 12th, but I think last week we said November 1st.
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I counted wrong.
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Um, so November 1st.
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November 12th is gonna be my official move in date.
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But we also have to get the studio set up and buy furniture.
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I think we were a little overzealous where we're like, yep, we're gonna get the town.
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I'm gonna get my townhouse, we're gonna move in, we're gonna set it up, it's gonna be great immediately.
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It's gonna come fully furnished.
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We didn't sit and think, like, wait, we actually have to do things for that to happen.
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And if you've been listening since day one, you know that that's pretty on point for on point for us.
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Yeah, we have a lot of big ideas and a lot of small actions.
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Yeah.
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We're just girls.
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We're just girls with big ideas.
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So, yes, I'm moving into my townhouse.
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It's three bedrooms.
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We're turning one into the studio, which is why I'm getting a three-bedroom, like specifically for the studio and for a room for Steph to sleep in.
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Um when she visits me, she's not moving in with me.
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She's still very happily with her fiance.
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Yes.
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Sounded like right, like I'm moving in.
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No, she is not.
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We just have sleepover sometimes.
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Yes.
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And it is gonna be like a priority to get that room set up first.
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But like that is probably not gonna happen on the 12th.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So every other week until further.
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Until we are able to do that.
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Maybe when I like actually have the townhouse, we'll start doing it every week.
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Um, we're not sure.
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We have to discuss.
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Yeah, we'll let you know.
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See the situation.
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But as for now, and our goal is in sep um in November we will start going back to weekly.
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Again, big dreams, small actions.
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We'll see how that actually happens, right?
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And I am gonna be going first this week.
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Yes.
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Unless we have anything else to discuss, talk about.
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I'm good.
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Okay, me too.
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Let's dive in.
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This week, I am going to be talking about the Kabar Dabin incident.
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Great.
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Already I see you not pronouncing a lot of things correctly.
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Oh, yeah.
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So this is gonna be taking place in Russia.
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I am not Russian, I have never been to Russia.
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I can barely pronounce English words correctly.
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I'm going to try my best.
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Please don't block us.
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Hello.
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Lol from Russia.
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I thought you said lol.
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Oh no, hello.
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That's why I said lol.
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Okay.
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Oh my gosh.
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We're out to great.
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Yeah, this is going really well.
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This is gonna be fantastic.
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Oh, and then also a call back to our last episode.
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And if you didn't listen to our last episode, what are you doing here?
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Right.
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Pause this.
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Go back.
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Go back and listen.
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It has nothing to do with this episode.
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I just want you to.
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Um but a call back to the last episode is just a reminder that this happened two months.
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No, two days.
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Two days.
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Two days before what happened in the last episode happened.
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No, the thing that happened in the last episode was in Australia and this is in Russia.
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So two I don't want to say like two different parts of the world because I feel like they're like they're two different continents.
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Two definitely two different continents, because Australia is its own continent.
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Yes.
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But they're like close because oh my god, you guys.
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I know I'm not smart, so I'm gonna say this, and I'm going to preface what I'm going to say next with I am just a dumb bitch who says things and doesn't understand things.
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But I feel like it's like Russia, and then under Russia is Asia, and that's where like China and um India and Thailand is, and then under, and then next to China is obviously Japan, and then under Japan is I think Indo is is some island.
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I think it's Indonesia or Thailand.
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No, I don't think it's Thailand, I think it's Indonesia, and then under Indonesia or Singapore, maybe it's Singapore, uh, is Australia.
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So they're all in that like one area.
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I'm gonna look at them.
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I'm gonna stop talking and I'm doing right now.
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I'm like, I'm about to fact-check her.
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I'm about to fact-check myself, and I'm also not, if I'm completely wrong, I'm not deleting any of this.
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I will be stupid and I will sit in my stupidity, okay.
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I'm sitting here looking also at a map and just waiting for her to see.
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So, um, I was wrong, okay, guys.
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Well, you know what?
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I feel like I wasn't that wrong.
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I actually don't think I was wrong because here's Russia, and I said under Russia is Asia, and that's where Asia is.
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Yeah, you were like, I was partly right.
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And then there is China, and next to China is Japan.
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There is Korea between China and Japan, which I did not know about.
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Okay, that is a new, not a new country.
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I knew Korea existed.
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Okay, I knew that was a thing, it just is now in a place I didn't expect it to be.
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And then under under all of that is the Philippines.
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And I did say the Philippines, and under the Philippines is Australia.
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I you were kind of right.
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I feel like I was right.
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The only thing I'm wrong about was Korea, but that showed up out of nowhere, and I feel like it was the North Korean plant that just like put it there right now.
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Yeah, you're probably right.
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Yeah.
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Um, anyway, thanks for coming to our geography class.
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Now looking at a map, Asia is a lot wider than I thought.
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Yeah, it's like not wider.
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Um, what's the opposite of white?
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Like long.
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I'm so sorry.
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Yes.
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Um, it was a little longer than I expected.
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So they are further from each other than I thought.
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Yeah, everything in my brain was like compressed, so Asia and Australia didn't look that far far in my brain map.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So all of the dumb bitchery aside, this takes place in Russia.
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Okay, perfect.
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Oh my god, I forgot this took place in Russia.
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For some reason, I was still thinking about Australia.
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Anyway, no, we were talking about how the last case took place in Australia.
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Yes.
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And these two incidents happened two days apart from each other.
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Yes.
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Are any countries like time zones two days away from each other?
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Because I know there's some that are like 24 hours.
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Are there any that are like no?
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I don't know.
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Okay.
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Because if it's two days, so like if they're you know, I'm not even gonna go into time zones right now.
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Yeah, we we all learned how stupid I was.
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There are some hiking stories that end with a campfire, a few bruises, and someone saying, guys, maybe we should have brought some more water.
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And then there's the cabar, the Kamar Dabin incident.
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Seven people went in, but only one came out.
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And somehow that surviving members account managed to raise approximately 12,000 more questions.
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Okay, I'm interested.
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Alright, this took place in August of 1993.
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The Soviet Union has just collapsed.
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Russia is dealing with economic chaos, political instability, and while all of that is happening, six young hikers.
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Why did I say hikers?
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Hikers and six young hikers and their instructor so sorry guys.
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Ludama Kervina head into the Kamar Dabin Range near Lake Bakel.
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Ludamiya was an experienced mountaineer and hiking instructor, and she had hiked these trails many times before, and she actually took the six other hikers in training specifically to train them for this hiking expedition that they were about to take.
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And these hikers were Ludamiya, who is 46 years old, Tatiana, who is 24 years old.
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I have their last names written down.
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I'm gonna save all of us.
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I'm gonna save all of us the embarrassment of listening to me pronounce these.
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We're just gonna stick with the first names.
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Then Tatiana, 24 years old, Alexander, 23 years old, Tennis, Dennis, Dennis, 19 years old, Valentina, who was 17 years old, Victoria, who was 16 years old, and Tamar, who was 15 years old.
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Wow.
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And although these kids were very, very young, they were all very experienced hikers.
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Okay.
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Like this is not their first rodeo.
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Yeah.
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And the Kamara Dabin um hike is like a more advanced hike, so it's not something that like a beginner would just like look at and be like, is this like a like a mountain range or is it okay yeah?
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They knew what they were doing, they were all very experienced hikers, even at their young age, and that is very important to the story.
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Okay.
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Because whatever happened next wasn't simply a case of seven people forgetting that mountains could be dangerous.
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The weather was very clear and it was predicted to be clear.
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So what happened up there is still a mystery that we don't know about.
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Okay.
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When Ludomia's group set out the morning of August 2nd, 1993, so did two other groups.
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These two groups were following along the main group on nearby trails, and actually one of those other groups was gonna be led by Ludomia's 16-year-old daughter, Natalia.
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Okay.
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Yeah, so they So she brought her kid and she's very confident.
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She's very confident.
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She knows that she can train a 16-year-old well enough to do it, like well enough that the 16-year-old is actually like leading another group.
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Sure.
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The plan was that each of these groups would take like different routes, and then they would meet up the next day in the mountains so that they can all continue on together.
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Okay.
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Luna Mia's group would then um, so like after they met up and they would continue on, they would go to their final destination.
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And the majority of that first date, the weather was very clear, just as it was predicted.
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Um, until it wasn't.
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Oh.
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So they were climbing up the Canaloo Mountain, which was steep, and from here they knew from the way that the clouds were changing, the the clouds were rolling in, the skies were getting grayer, that a snowstorm was coming.
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Okay.
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And it was not predicted, and it kind of came out of nowhere.
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Okay.
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They knew they had to go somewhere very quickly.
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So they decided that they wanted to um set up camp.
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And they set up camp in a clearing almost at the top of the summit of the mountain that they were already on.
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Okay.
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A lot of people think this wasn't a great decision because they're like, you knew a stu a snowstorm is coming.
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Why are you setting up camp on the summit of a mountain when only three miles away, which is approximately um, not three miles, like I think it was a mile.
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It was about 30 minutes walk from where they were.
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Okay.
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There was a hut or a cabin that was built into the mountain specifically for like hikers to go to the city.
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Like situations like that, yeah.
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Yeah.
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That and it had like supplies and stuff.
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So everyone's like, why did you set up there?
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Why didn't you?
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We just go to this cabin that's only 30 minutes away.
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Of course, we don't really know what happened.
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Sure.
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Where that kind of sounds like the logical decision.
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We actually we don't know how dangerous it was at there at this point.
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Like maybe they had to.
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They were all experienced, they were all very smart.
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Ludamiya had had won like awards for her experience.
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So I feel like if it was safe enough to do that, the seven of them probably would have if all seven of them decided to stay there, I feel like they had to.
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But a lot of people are suspicious of this of this decision.
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Yeah, I agree with you though.
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I feel like if they all were experienced, like you said, they would have made the right decision based off of their conditions at the time.
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And even if one person was like sus and was like, no, we should just do it here.
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The fact that not even one single other person decided to go, it makes me think that like they couldn't go.
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Yeah.
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I agree.
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But who knows?
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I wasn't up there either.
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Yeah.
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So it doesn't really matter.
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They woke up the next day, still alive.
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It was still storming the next day.
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So the weather didn't clear overnight.
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It was still so they decided to keep moving on.
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Ludy and Mia thought it was best to like go forward and descend down the mountains during the daytime.
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So that went, even though it's storming, would they shelter for the night?
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They're at least not on the summit of a mountain.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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So, like, still not super safe to be out there in, but she was weighing the risk, which also makes me think that like them not going to that shelter was the right decision because she is assessing situations like what's more dangerous than the other.
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Right.
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If she's saying it's still storming, but I still think we should climb down a mountain because it's gonna be safer than staying here.
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Then obviously the night before it was just not safe to move.
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Yeah, I would.
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Trust her.
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Yeah.
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Her judgment.
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So then, as they were climbing down the mountain, Alexander, who was viewed as the second in command, collapsed to the ground, foaming at the mouth.
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What?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Alexander started seizing, and blood was rushing out of his nose and his ears.
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And just in a few minutes before this, he was in perfect health.
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He was helping Ludia Mia guide the group down.
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Yeah.
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Then out of nowhere, he's just on the ground seizing and bleeding.
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What the heck?
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He's just like laying there.
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And then everyone was shocked, obviously, trying to figure out how to help him.
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They were like holding him down, trying to figure out if something happened, but there was nothing that they could do because they're in the middle of a snowstorm on a mountain.
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Right.
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Close to the summit.
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Like close to the top.
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Ludia Mia had distracted the rest of the group to keep moving because at this point the weather is dangerous and she needs like she needs the hikers to be somewhere safe while she deals with them.
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So she stayed with Ludia Mia.
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She had, I mean, she stayed with Alexander and she had some of the rest of the group keep going down.
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Okay.
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Dennis and Tamar, which remember they are what, 19?
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19 and 17.
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No, I think Tamar was 15.
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If we go back up and see.
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Yeah.
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Tamar was 15, Dennis was 19.
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So they have this 19 and 15-year-old sending down a mountain.
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And I know they're experienced, but they just watched one of their leaders start dying in front of them.
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Right.
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They're trapped on a mountain in a snowstorm with their second in command dying and their first in command staying behind with him.
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Right.
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Trying to walk down this mountain.
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That's so scary.
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Would be petrified at a 30-year-old in this situation.
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Me too.
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I can't imagine a two teenagers having to deal with this.
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No, I would just sit down and accept my fate, to be honest.
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So they're starting to go down when they hear more screaming.
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Oh my gosh.
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And they think it's Alexander, but then they realize it's not a man screaming.
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It's a woman.
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So they turn around, they start running back up the mountain to find Ludia Mia laying down next to Alexander, foaming at the mouth.
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Same?
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Seizing blood dripping out of her face.
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What?
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This is crazy.
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Is there like something in the air?
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Well, let's see.
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So now they're fully in panic mode.
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They're like, what is happening?
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Am I next?
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Like what?
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Probably thinking like, Am I next?
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What the f is happening?
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Like, oh my god.
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So while they're sitting there freaking out, watching both of their leaders die, and the only people over 21.
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Oh no.
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Victoria and Tamar collapse.
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Their bodies are twitching, they're seizing.
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Again, blood is leaking from their eyes and their mouth.
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But unlike Alexander, and we're not sure about Ludimia, but unlike Alexander, these two started ripping their clothes off.
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Oh.
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Like tearing at them.
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And they were grabbing their own neck.
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Not like that, not like like they're choking, but like clawing at it.
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Yeah, clawing at it, like trying to get something off of their neck.
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It felt it looked like something was on their neck and they were trying to rip it off, but there was nothing there.
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What the heck?
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As they were fighting for their lives, Valentina rushed over to Victoria to try to help her.
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And then Victoria bit her.
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What?
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Even the dog was like her dog was just like at the same time, Stephanie gasped.
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Even Mabel was like, what the fuck is going on?
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So yeah, she bit her, and then Victoria backed off.
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She was like, What the fuck?
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So then Dennis flew.
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He was like, I am not sticking around here.
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Yeah.
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He's like, okay, Dennis is only 19 years old.
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I don't blame him for being scared.
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And a lot of people get mad at him for like abandoning his friends, but like his friends are literally dying.
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His friends are not his friends right now.
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Like, no, they're literally dying in front of him.
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He doesn't know what's happening.
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He saw one person bite another person.
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He's like, I like I'm out of here.
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I don't know what this is.
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I don't know if this is contagious.
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Like, I need to get the F away.
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Yeah, no, I I would do it too.
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Dennis, I'm on your side.
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I totally agree.
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So he ran away.
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And then back at the campsite, or wherever they were, they're not at the campsite anymore.
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Tatiana begins to rip all of her clothes off as well and grabbing her own neck.
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And then she dropped down to the ground, crawled to a rock, and then began to smash her head into it over and over again.
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What is happening?
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So my first thought was like, well, maybe they all got like bit by something.
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Maybe this is rabies.
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Mmm.
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But I don't think rabies happens that fast.
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No, not always.
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No, it doesn't.
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And it doesn't, it certainly doesn't happen collectively.
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Like everyone, I think, would still be different.
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Yeah.
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It wouldn't just be like a sudden onset for all six of them.
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Yeah.
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And I don't think rabies, like, actually, no, rabies does make you go crazy.
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But you would think if something with rabies bit one of them, that person would have like screamed and been like, oh my god, what the fuck bit me?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like it wouldn't have had enough time to bite every single person without them realizing that they all were bitten by something.
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Yeah.
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And also their autopsy didn't show any bite marks.
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Sure.
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Oh, this is so weird.
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Okay.
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What happened next?
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Okay.
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The group of seven is now down to two, with only Dennis, who's now gone, and Valentina being the only ones left alive.
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Dennis then comes back, and him and Valentina go down to the end of the woods.
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They were like trying to figure out what to do because Dennis and Valentina are 19 and 16.
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Yeah.
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They're teenagers.
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And this is their and yes, while they were trained, this was their first time in the mountain range.
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Oh my gosh.
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So I don't even know if they like I'm sure part of the training was to memorize the path.
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Sure.
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But at this point, they're off trail.
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Yeah.
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Like they were supposed to be going up and down.
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Right.
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Not they were supposed to meet up with the path.
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Like they are no longer on their plans.
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So they're probably panicked.
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Yeah.
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They don't know where they are.
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They're not supposed to be like where they were supposed to be.
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Like it's not part of their.
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I'm sure they also like memorize all the alternate paths in case anything happens.
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But like this is so beyond that.
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So as they're sitting there trying to figure out what the fuck to do, Dennis collapses.
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Oh no.
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He begins teasing Dennis.
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Blood starts rushing out of his eyes, out of his ears, leaving only Valentina, the 16-year-old, to sit there and watch the last remaining person in her group die in front of her.
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Oh my gosh.
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So then she ran.
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She ran as far as she could.
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She had been carrying like her backpack, so thank God she didn't like drop it in the havoc.
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So she was like sleeping in tents and she had a little bit of food.
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But she was there in the wilderness all alone.
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Eventually she ran out of supplies, so she did find her way back to the campsite and got more.
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Okay.
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She wandered the woods for four days completely alone.
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My god.
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But four days later, but she was walking alone along the bank of a river and a kayaking group spotted her.
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Oh, thank God.
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And they saved her.
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Thank God.
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And they said she was covered in blood.
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Ew.
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She was covered in like dried blood, wandering alone.
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Probably in a haze.
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Yeah.
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Very trauma traumatized.
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:55.359
The police sent out rescue teams from where they found Valentina, but Valentina was so traumatized, she refused to speak.
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.920
Like she didn't tell them what happened.
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.039
She didn't tell them where anybody else was.
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:05.519
They found her identification in her hiking backpack.
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:07.119
So they figured out who she was.
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.880
And from there, they were able to realize that there were more people in the group who were there with her.
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:13.359
Right.
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.279
They had to look blind for the other people.
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:15.680
Yeah.
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:17.680
Because she wasn't speaking.
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:22.400
Well, and honestly, if you just went through something like that, do you really think anyone would believe you?
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:23.519
Like, no.
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:24.319
That's insane.
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:25.680
You probably don't even believe it yourself.
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.960
They got helicopters and they eventually found the remaining people.
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:29.440
Okay.
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:36.880
They said that the hikers were lying on a small ledge, some huddled together, some were a little distance away.
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:38.160
They had no eyes.
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.240
In the empty sockets and parted mouths, worms were crawling.
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.359
No one could ever imagine what this would look like.
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.359
The police wanted answers.
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:48.559
What happened?
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:49.119
Yeah.
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.519
Again, they have nothing.
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:57.039
They have a girl who survived covered in blood that probably wasn't hers.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:58.799
Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:04.480
The pro I'm gonna guess the only like actual injury on her was the bite mark.
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:11.359
I mean, she probably got like injured walking around the woods for four days, but like the only actual injury was somebody else's bite mark.
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:17.200
Yeah, you have six bodies that are also covered in blood, right?
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:19.119
And you're not talking.
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:24.000
So the police are like, what the actual fuck happened out here?
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:25.599
Do they suspect her?
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.400
I'm not sure if they suspect her.
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:37.200
I doubt it because you have a 42-year-old, a 24-year-old, like, what could this little again 16-year-old girl have done?
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:41.920
It's not like they were stabbed or shot, like there's no right injuries.
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:43.839
All there is is blood.
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:44.480
Right.
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:45.839
No, like nothing.
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:47.039
And they don't have eyes.
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.680
They don't happen on the Diat Love path, too.
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.440
Yeah, people call this the forgotten Diat Love Path.
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:53.839
Okay.
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:54.720
Pass.
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:55.519
Yeah.
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:56.160
Yeah.
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:03.279
Because they connect them a lot, even though like the only kind of connection is that people seriously died in the woods.
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:04.079
Yeah.
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:04.880
Hmm.
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:09.200
So yeah, the police are trying to figure out what the fuck happened.
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:16.240
So they took the bodies, they did autopsies on them, and the autopsies ruled.
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:17.920
Do you want to guess what they died of?
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:24.799
Uh either blood loss or um hypothermia.
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.680
The reports show that all of them died of hypothermia.
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.160
Except for one, Budamiya, who died of a heart attack.
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:35.519
What?
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.400
But she had the same symptoms.
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:39.759
She was seizing bleeding.
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.799
She had the same symptoms, but her autopsy rolled her death as a heart attack.
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.519
A heart attack, and all of the other five were hypothermia.
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:50.160
Okay.
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.000
That I don't think hypothermia causes you to like bleed out of your eyes.
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:57.519
And also, this was in August.
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.160
Right.
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.079
And yes, it is in Russia.
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.119
And yes, it was a snowstorm.
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:04.000
Right.
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.920
But it was barely below freezing.
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.360
And I know below freezing still can cause hypothermia.
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:11.679
Yes.
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.199
But this happened just after they left the camp.
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.480
They were all properly dressed.
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:18.960
Right.
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.119
And they all had all eaten that morning.
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:22.159
So they were full.
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:22.559
Right.
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.920
They had their thermos full of like hot drinks.
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:34.880
There was, I'm sure there was like signs of frostbite and stuff because they were laying outside for I think like seven days before they were finally found.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:35.519
Right.
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.760
So they would be hypothermic at that point.
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.719
But like at the time of it just doesn't make sense to me that all of them died of hypothermic.
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:48.000
Plus, does hypothermia make you bleed out of your eyes and ears?
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:48.960
No, there's no way.
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:50.880
I don't know.
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.280
I'm just a dumb bitch who says things, but I wholeheartedly don't think so.
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:55.840
Maybe.
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:56.320
Right.
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:00.159
I wonder if it would if you're at like certain pressures.
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.119
Hypothermia.
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:20.239
Symptoms of hypothermia include shivering, slurred speech and mumbling, slow, shallow breathing, weak pulse, clumsiness, clumsiness or lack of coordination, drowning, drowsiness or very low energy, confusion or memory loss, loss of consciousness, and and an infant's bright cold skin that's red.
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.760
But they didn't have any of those.
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:24.159
No.
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.840
They were hiking down a mountain.
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:26.000
Right.
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:27.599
They were not low energy.
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:28.000
No.
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:29.360
They were not confused.
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:29.920
Right.
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:42.159
And they must have been close, like they must have been on the correct path for Ludomia to I not Ludomia, for um Valentina to run away and then find her way back to get more supplies.
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:42.480
Right.
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.760
Like they must have been on the path.
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:46.159
Right.
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.800
So it's not confusion, not memory loss.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:49.679
Right.
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:55.199
And also, I don't think they would all die immediately like that.
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:57.199
If it was hypothermia.
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:05.760
Yeah, I would say that the only um symptom of the hypothermia, which wasn't actually in that list that I just said, was the paradoxal undressing.
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.440
Because that does happen in fair.
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:09.119
Yeah, you think you're hot.
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.320
Yeah, you think you're hot.
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:17.039
So you like your body makes you rip all of your clothes off because you feel like you're overheating.
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:17.840
Right.
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:24.559
But I mean, that doesn't explain trying to rip your throat out either or bashing your head into a rock over it.
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:25.039
Yeah, that's right.
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:26.320
Like that makes no sense.
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:26.960
No sense.
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:33.039
And also what the autopsy showed was that all of them had a protein deficiency.
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:33.760
Okay.
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:39.119
Which could kind of be explained because they were camping.
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:39.840
Yeah.
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:49.760
And part of um Ludamia's training was them not eating a lot so that their body got used to not eating a lot.
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:55.679
So that could be explained away pretty easily, although some people think that that's part of it.
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:56.239
No.
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:57.360
I don't know.
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.400
It still doesn't make you have the symptoms in that.
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.199
No, they think that could point to like something suspicious.
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:04.559
Oh, oh, I see.
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.719
Like poisoning or like something like that.
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.519
Yeah, no.
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:17.679
I I could see why people think that if every single one of them had protein deficiency, but I I think it's kind of part of the whole hiking thing.
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:18.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.199
I don't think it I don't hike.
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:22.000
I mean, I do hike.
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:22.239
Right.
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:23.119
I don't hike like that.
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:23.679
Yeah, no.
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.559
I like hiking hours, two hours top.
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:26.880
Right.
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:29.039
No.
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:29.920
Nah, nah, nah.
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:30.719
Yeah.
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.519
Absolutely.
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:41.039
So a lot of people think what happened was a result of chemical weapons, particularly nerve agents.
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:41.679
Okay.
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:57.039
Because they think the convulsions and the foaming of the mouths, and also the lung bruising that was found in the autopsies or symptoms of powerful nerve toxins.
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.239
I don't agree with this.
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.360
Like they people think it was a nerve toxin from like the Russian government or the Soviet Union.
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.079
But this is a very popular mountain range.
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:17.199
Like I said earlier, two other groups were doing the same exact climb at the same exact time.
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:18.800
What would the motive be?
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:19.840
Just testing?
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:20.719
Yeah, testing.
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.440
That's what they think.
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:21.920
Okay.
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:29.840
But I think if you're going to be like, I agree that people that the military does do testing in mountain ranges.
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:37.920
But to do it in a popular tourist spot in August, which is like the most popular time to do it, makes no sense to me.
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.639
Like why why then?
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:45.440
If you're gonna test military weapons, you're not gonna do it where people are gonna stumble upon it.
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:53.119
I don't think that they would stumble upon it, but I I could see them wanting to do it where there were people to test it on.
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.000
Oh, you think that's the whole point?
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:56.800
Yeah.
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.199
I think they wanted to know how that would work.
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:09.199
But to kill a group of people, like that seems like a little obvious.
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:10.480
I don't know.
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:12.400
I I could believe it.
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:13.679
I can yeah.
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:14.800
I could see that.
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:21.039
It's definitely weird, but we're also talking about Russia, Soviet Union, and we're also talking about military.
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:21.599
True.
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.679
So they are not known for not Russia and the Soviet Union.
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:26.880
I'm talking militaries in general.
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:35.599
Use are not known for using the most uh caring considerations methods for testing weapons.
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:36.400
Yeah.
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:41.519
Uh go back to the episode, I don't remember which episode, uh, unit 731.
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.920
Tell you exactly how they tested military strategies.
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:46.880
Yeah.
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.800
So people think that's one theory.
00:39:51.199 --> 00:40:02.559
Another theory that people have is they ate something like mushrooms, and that kind of explains why all of them got sick.
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:11.840
That one I could believe if they ate poisonous mushrooms and maybe Valentina just didn't like mushrooms, so she didn't eat it.
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:17.280
Yeah, that was that would be my only hang up is Valentina wasn't sick.
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:21.920
The only thing Valentina has ever said was what happened.
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:27.920
She hasn't really gone into details, like she hasn't said like what they ate, what they drink, like she hasn't done any of that.
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.199
She's just kind of said how they all died.
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:32.159
Interesting.
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:38.960
Yeah, she is very traumatized, and she didn't talk about what happened to them till I think four years later.
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:39.679
Yeah.
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.920
So everything that we have I've talked about is from her account four years after it happened.
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:46.559
Wow.
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:48.559
It really traumatized her.
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:49.679
Yeah, I bet.
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.079
So that is something I would believe.
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:59.679
The only thing I have against that is these are six very experienced hikers.
00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:00.079
Yeah.
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.760
I doubt they're eating random mushrooms.
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.119
Yeah, they wouldn't eat something unless they 100% knew it was safe.
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.239
And the fact that all six of them would have had to eat it.
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:09.599
Yeah, I agree.
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:15.440
Makes me give pause to that theory, but I believe that one more than the nerve agent, I think.
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.039
More than the military testing.
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:19.280
What are your thoughts?
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.960
I I believe the military testing personally.
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:45.280
I don't I would have to know like where exactly they set up their problem I have with the military testing theory is how were they able to distribute this neurotoxin, this like chemical weapon without being seen?
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.760
There's a map of the whole Kamara incident if on Google if you want to.
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:50.320
Okay.
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:51.840
That would be my only issue.
00:41:52.000 --> 00:42:03.519
Like they would have to distribute it somehow, and this has to be a chemical weapon that is so strong that they would have to like be able to just release it and but then how would one person switch it?
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.519
Only in one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.280
Like how would they release it to six?
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.679
They're all camping together and like sleeping near each other.
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.239
So how did everybody get it except for one person?
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:12.880
Yeah.
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:17.119
And she got no symptoms, like she wasn't bleeding, she wasn't convulsing, she got nothing.
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.960
She's 100% perfectly fine.
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.119
Yeah, which is another reason I don't believe that.
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.719
Because like, how did it completely miss a a human?
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.440
Yeah, and if there were other groups that went up there and they were fine, and they were fine too, yeah.
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.199
Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:32.880
There's holes in all of these theories.
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:44.639
So this is why, and like maybe they saw the mushroom, they it was very snowy and like stormy, maybe it looked different.
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.719
Like that one I could believe the most.
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:58.079
The other thing I wonder is I know that she was really traumatized, but the fact that she isn't divulging a whole lot makes me think that something else happened.
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.280
People think Valentina is responsible for it.
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:02.800
Oh, I don't think that.
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.320
I just think that she knows more than she's saying.
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:13.199
I just I I can't possibly think of like what.
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:21.119
I mean, maybe they did some like weird blood ritual with an animal and she didn't want to participate, and it was rabies.
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:26.159
Um rabies would show up in an autopsy.
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:34.079
Yeah, that's the other thing, is I don't know how you could uh decide that they died of hypothermia.
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:34.320
Yeah.
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:35.280
With all of their injury.
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.000
I don't know.
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:36.719
That's weird.
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.159
I don't have a good maybe it's a little bit of everything.
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:41.360
Maybe.
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.639
I I don't believe Valentina has anything to do with it.
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:45.199
I don't either.
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.800
She she seemed very traumatized.
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:49.360
Yeah.
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.559
Um and again, it would be one versus six.
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.039
Right.
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:53.440
Yeah.
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.239
That would be I yeah.
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.519
She like they pee unless that was like a government spy.
00:43:59.679 --> 00:43:59.840
Yeah.
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.880
Yeah, people think that maybe well, she was a 16-year-old.
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:03.599
I don't think so.
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.440
No one would susp suspect.
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.039
Yeah.
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:08.239
I don't think that.
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:14.159
I'm just saying that we can um and people think that maybe like she poisoned them.
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.920
So maybe like she gave them the mushrooms, but like what's the motive?
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:18.800
Yeah, there's none.
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:19.199
I don't know.
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:21.199
She literally made herself stranded in the woods.
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.320
Like she would have had made herself stranded in the woods for four days.
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:25.440
Like why?
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:26.639
What was the plan there?
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:27.280
Yeah.
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.280
I don't yeah, I don't buy that.
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:30.000
I don't know.
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:31.280
That's so weird.
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:36.960
Another theory is the water was contaminated.
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:47.679
So like the water, because it was frozen, but and it like freezes, then it melts, and they think that maybe the water was contaminated by something and everybody drank the water.
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:49.199
Again.
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.119
I don't believe that theory because again, Valent.
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:58.079
I mean, maybe Valentina had brought enough water with her that she didn't need to drink more water.
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:03.679
Maybe you're telling me that all six of them needed more water, but not her and not the two other groups.
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.519
Yeah, that doesn't make sense either.
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:06.719
That doesn't make sense for me.
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.519
But that's what most people agreed on.
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.119
The water was contaminated.
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:21.360
I just I can't get behind that because I that like it only affected six out of the seven, and even if that seventh one didn't drink it, everybody else is drinking that same water.
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:22.079
Right, yeah.
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.719
The two other groups are drinking that same water and they're all fine.
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Right.
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.519
And then the last theory is aliens.
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:30.880
Of course.
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.360
There's never a conspiracy without one of the theories being aliens.
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:42.000
And I save that one for last because you believe it.
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:43.679
Two days.
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:53.119
Two days after this happened in Australia.
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:54.639
You're so right.
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:01.360
Aliens abducted three, no, four different people.
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:04.559
You're so right.
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:09.199
We didn't lose mine.
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.679
Listen to my description of the map.
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:14.960
Okay.
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.320
Uh you know.
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:21.440
At first when I started reading this, I did not believe in the alien theory.
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:22.159
Okay.
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:30.960
But the fact that literally two days after, and I didn't look at the time zones, but it could be less than two days.
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.239
It could have been like 24 hours, actually.
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Yeah.
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.480
But in the same time period, and go back and listen.
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We truly believe this alien abduction happened.
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.559
I do believe that that happened.
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.039
Four complete okay.
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:50.800
Wait, actually it was five, not four.
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:51.119
Yeah.
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:56.880
Because it was um Kelly and Andrew, and then it was the two women, and then it was the random four.
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:58.159
Some other guy, yeah.
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:05.280
So five people and it was three groups.
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These three groups did not know each other.
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It was proven that they did not know each other.
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All three of them were abducted the same night, and they all had drawings.
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Um, and they all had like the exact same encounter, like their stories lined up.
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:30.239
They all drew pictures of the aliens and the UFO, and again, they didn't know each other, and they drew it for the agent, so they didn't see each other's drawings either, and they all drew the same exact thing, right?
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.280
So we truly like listen to the episode.
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:41.599
There's a lot more details on why I believe it, but yeah, we truly believe this happened, and literally two days before this happened is when the Kamara incident happened.
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:43.840
That is some suspicious timing.
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:48.719
That is suspicious timing, and they had physical symptoms too.
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:58.079
It wasn't this, yes, and the aliens from um Australia were evil, yes, they were not aliens, yeah.
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.400
So they could have because remember, they like said, should we kill them?
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:02.960
Yes.
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:07.039
Maybe they were like, should we kill them the same way we killed those six people?
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Maybe and then they were like, no, let's just draw triangles on their stomachs.
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:17.440
Yeah, let's just biopsy them instead and see what happens.
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You know what?
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:20.559
I'm going with it.
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:27.280
Aliens out of all of the other ones, I'm putting I'm putting my eggs in this basket.
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:28.320
Yeah, me too.
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:29.039
Wow.
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Thanks.
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.119
That was crazy.
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Yep, and that is all we know.
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:34.079
Huh.
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:35.760
What a whirlwind.
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What a weird story.
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I wow I'm saying that for my own story.
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.039
What a weird story I just told.
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.280
Yeah, so wow.
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:48.880
Alright.
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.679
So today I'm gonna be talking about the haunting of Esther Cox.
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This was also known as the Amityville not the Amityville horror.
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Or the Amherst um like the Amherst something.
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It happened in uh Amherst in um Canada.
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Anyone who knows me knows that I love a good spooky story.
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Ghosts, demons, even though I don't really believe in demons.
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.840
Um scary movies, real or fake, I love a good scare.
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:21.440
Wait, you don't believe in demons?
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.360
I don't do you believe they're just like evil spirits and people consider them demons?
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That's what I believe.
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I believe that the energy is just uh different.
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I believe that the energy is negative.
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.840
I don't think that yeah, and I think that people in general are just way too suggestible.
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So if they feel anything, I think a human could be suggestived suggested into uh being possessed.
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.039
Oh, so you don't believe in like actual possessions.
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.880
Do you believe that a ghost is like uh persuading them to act?
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:59.119
I believe that the energy is making the person do what it is, not necessarily a ghost or spirit or anything like that.
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I think that there is negative energy in the place where people are possessed, and some people are just more like affected by that energy, causing them to be possessed.
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So it's not that I don't believe in possession, it's that I don't think it's a spirit inside of you, exactly.
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:25.599
It's just the energy from yes, what about the people who are possessed in like multiple places?
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Like they try to leave one place to go somewhere else because they think it's the house, but they stay possessed.
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Mental illness.
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No, I don't I don't have a good a good theory for that.
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:41.599
That was funny.
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Okay, so even though we are not a paranormal podcast, today I'm going to be telling you a ghost story.
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This is based on true events that took place between 1878 and 1879, and to this day is unexplained as most paranormal activity is.
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But the question isn't so much did it happen or not?
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Something really did happen.
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The question is, was this true otherworldly activity, or was this just a severe case of mental health struggles?
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Esther Cox was born on March 28, 1860, in Stewiac, Nova Scotia.
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She was the youngest of at least six to her father, Archibald, and her mother, also named Esther.
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:18.960
At least six?
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:20.159
They don't know how many kids they had.
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They do not.
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Okay.
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At least six, though.
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She grew up in a normal household where working to provide and helping with the household was important.
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Her parents were loving and kind and were known in the community to be selfless and hardworking.
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I think that's important because there's no like familial anger energy.
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This family was very close.
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Um, when Esther was 18 years old, she was living in a house on Princess Street in Amherst, Nova Scotia.
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:46.880
That is so cute.
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:48.960
I want to live on Princess Street.
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Right?
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The house was crowded, which is also important because this meant there were several witnesses to the events that unfolded.
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She lived with her sister Jenny, her brother William, her older sister Olive, Olive's husband, Daniel Teed, their children, and Daniel Teed's brother, John Teed.
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While Esther did not hold a job, she helped with the children and upkeep of the home.
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By all accounts, she was a normal 18-year-old girl.
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She was described as ordinary, sociable, and not someone the town viewed with suspicion.
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In 1878, Esther was seeing a boy named Bob McNeil.
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Bob did not have the best reputation in town.
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He had been known to be rough around the edges, not very nice to animals, like really not nice.
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Um and just generally not well liked.
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Esther didn't care though.
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Bob was nice to her, he was hot, she thought she was in love, like we all do when we're 18.
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Um, her sisters did not approve of Bob either, but it is important to note that despite this, they were very loving and supportive of Esther.
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That's nice.
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Yeah.
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They didn't let their opinions get in the way of that.
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No.
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No, they were very much, this is my sister.
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I like I love her no matter what.
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On a rainy summer night at the end of August 1878, Esther came running inside her home soaking wet from the carrot ride she had just been on with Bob.
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Bob was nowhere to be seen, and Esther went straight upstairs to her room, locked herself away from everyone, and barely spoke for days.
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Esther was drew withdrew from everyone for about a week.
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Her family assumed her and Bob had ended their relationship and gave Esther the space she clearly wanted.
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Her sister Jenny usually shared a bed with Esther, but for this week, Jenny slept elsewhere to allow Esther space.
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Jenny recalled hearing Esther crying at night, but still assumed she wanted to be left alone.
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I know.
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I know.
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Esther later reveals that on the night Bob took her on the carriage ride, he stopped in a remote area, told her to get out of the carriage, and attempted to sexually assault her at gunpoint.
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:52.000
Oh my god! Yeah.
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Esther was able to escape due to fortunate timing of another carriage rider approaching.
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So she ran all the way home in the rain, which is why she was soaking wet.
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And the event was incredibly traumatizing for her.
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Of course.
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Yep.
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And the assault is one of the theories behind what caused these strange events and why mental health is maybe a question about it.
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Makes sense.
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Yes.
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On the evening of September 4th, 1878, Esther had fallen asleep, so Jenny decided to move back into the bed that they shared.
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She climbed into bed, and just before she fell asleep, Est Esther act her asked her what day it was.
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This was the first thing she had said in days.
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Jenny told her the date and Esther told Esther to go back to sleep.
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Ten minutes later, Esther suddenly screamed and leapt up, yelling that something was in the bed.
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She felt it moving.
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Both Esther and Jenny removed the blankets, expecting a mouse, but found nothing.
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The same thing happened the next evening as well, along with a strange scratching sound that both girls heard.
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This time they suspected the noise might be coming from a box underneath the bed, so they dragged it into the center of the room.
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Then the box jumped.
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Oh not tipped, not shifted, not slightly moved, like jumped up into the air.
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Up and down.
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About a foot off the floor.
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A foot?
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Yeah.
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Like a like a foot twelve inches.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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Um, and then came right back down.
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Feeling brave, Jenny sat it upright again.
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It jumped a second time.
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Esther and Jenny screamed for help, and Daniel Teed came in to see what was going on.
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After hearing their story, he dismissed them.
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Typical man in a ghost story behavior.
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Did anybody open this box?
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No.
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He was just like, nah, y'all be just crazy.
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Not even gonna not even worth investigating.
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.280
Yeah, no, just go back to sleep.
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:49.360
Um, yeah, so he literally just told them to go back to sleep.
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Jenny and Esther stayed up until morning, still insisting that they saw what they saw.
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:53.440
Unfortunately.
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Still not opening this box.
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.000
Still not opening the box.
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What if there was a grasshopper?
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A grasshopper jumping a foot, making the box jump a foot.
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.639
Maybe it was a very big grasshopper.
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:07.280
I don't know.
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:08.960
They didn't open it.
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.119
That's a great theory.
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.280
Unfortunately, I think you're not right.
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.199
Well, what's your theory?
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:16.320
What was in the box?
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.880
I don't think there was supposed to be anything in the box.
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:22.639
I think it was just a box for storage, and they were like, well, maybe a mouse got into it.
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:23.920
Maybe the mouse jumped.
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.960
And then the mouse jumped, and they were like, fuck, that's not a mouse.
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.440
So I'm sticking with uh Strodinger's grasshopper.
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.039
Okay, perfect.
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:40.079
So unfortunately, this jumping box was really just the beginning of the paranormal activity.
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:44.159
A few nights after the box incident, things started to ramp up.
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.079
Esther went to bed feeling feverish.
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:50.639
Later that night, Esther jumped out of bed hysterical and insisted that she was dying.
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.000
When Jenny turned on the light, she was met with a horrifying view.
00:56:54.239 --> 00:57:03.280
Esther's face was beat red, her eyes were bulging, and she was clutching her hair or chair so hard that her nails dug into the wood.
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:04.159
Oh my god.
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:04.880
Yeah.
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:08.239
The commotion woke the other family members who rushed in to see what was going on.
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:12.480
Now, as they watched Esther in horror, they experienced her condition change right before their eyes.
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:20.800
Suddenly, Esther became extremely pale, her hands and feet enlarged, her entire body seemed to just be swelling up.
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:25.519
And she started crying out in pain and said that she felt like she was going to pop.
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.639
Like Violet in the Trolligan?
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:29.280
Yes.
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:30.400
That's what I pictured.
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:30.719
Yeah.
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.679
She family admittedly were not quick to act.
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.559
The sight was so unbelievable that they kind of just watched in horror.
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:42.639
Like, but honestly, I get it.
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:42.960
Yeah.
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:45.039
What are you supposed to do at that point?
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.199
You're like, what is happening?
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:52.880
And to like go back to the viol Violet Beauregard thing.
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:58.239
It wasn't that her that part of her body, it was just her hands and feet that were swelling.
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:02.800
But in a similar fashion, right before their eyes, her hands and feet were swelling.
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:03.679
Yeah.
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:13.840
So before anyone could decide what to do, a deafening crack rang out like thunder, but without the rolling afterward, followed by three loud bangs one after the other.
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:15.760
And then after that, it stopped.
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:20.239
Esther and her body calmed down and she relaxed and fell into a deep sleep.
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:21.920
The next day she seemed weird.
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:22.159
Yeah.
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.920
Wait, so like the the cracking sound.
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:29.199
Was it in the room or was it like outside like in the sky?
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:33.360
Um it was undetermined.
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:34.400
They heard it.
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.920
Um, so I think they assumed that it was outside.
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.000
But it was loud enough to that they thought maybe it was inside too.
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.519
Um, so the next day, Esther seemed normal.
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:51.679
No fever, no signs of illness, and most important, no explanation as to what caused the fit the night prior.
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.239
Four days later, the attack happened against.
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:58.960
Fell asleep, and the family was like, good.
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:00.239
Okay, that was weird.
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:01.360
Like that was weird.
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.039
You let her sleep it off.
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:03.920
It's fine.
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:04.800
Yeah.
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:06.320
Yes.
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.679
I can see why it's at least six.
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.239
I think they weren't smart enough to count more than six.
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:17.599
That's hilarious.
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:23.840
So four nights later, the attack happened again, just like the first time her family watched.
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You're in the corner trying to count their kids.
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They're like, hold on, can you stop doing that for a second?
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:34.079
What were we at three?
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:35.920
Start again.
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:38.559
Oh my god.
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:47.599
Her family watched as Esther's body swelled and screamed in pain, but this time bedclothes were flung off the bed and across the room, not by Esther, by some unknown force.
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:51.440
And a pillow flew off the bed and struck John Teed in the face.
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.760
It's the grasshopper, I'm telling you.
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:55.039
He got out of the box.
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:01.360
Jumping.
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:09.440
Esther's skin burned hot, and after another round of loud knocks, Esther calmed and fell asleep again into a very deep sleep.
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.639
After this time, the family was like, okay, this is really weird.
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:14.639
We need some outside help.
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.079
So enter.
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:19.280
I'm glad they're like, you know what?
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.199
Us sitting down doing absolutely nothing is not helping.
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:24.960
We need help.
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:28.559
We need we have to do more than this, okay?
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:29.679
Yes.
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:32.320
So enter Dr.
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:32.960
Carite.
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:41.280
This doctor is an important piece to this story because he is now the first person outside of the home to have firsthand experiences with this strange activity.
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:47.679
Of course, when he was requested to visit by Daniel Teed, he thought the claims to be absurd, but he agreed to visit regardless.
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:55.679
He examined Esther and at first decided her attacks were due to severe shock or some sort of nervous excitement outside of a normal physical illness.
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:56.400
Makes sense.
01:00:56.719 --> 01:01:00.559
How many times as a woman have you heard, oh, you're just anxious?
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.119
So I think we have an episode about that.
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:03.599
Uh-huh.
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:04.400
Yeah.
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.280
Um Nelly Nelly Pill.
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:07.679
Nelly.
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:08.800
Yeah, Nelly Bly.
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:09.760
Nellie Bly.
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:10.400
Yep.
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:16.639
Then while he was there, the pillow beneath Esther's head seemed to be dragged out from underneath her.
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:21.519
It happened again, this time John trying to pull it back against the unknown force and lost.
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:27.760
John is not very strong.
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:31.599
God damn, this air is so heavy.
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:34.880
Oh my god.
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:40.400
The doctor then heard the banging and began searching the room for possible explanations.
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.840
He said that it seemed like the banging was following him as he moved.
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:47.840
Then came what is probably the most famous event in this mystery.
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:59.119
As the doctor and the Teed family were were again watching all of this insane watching all of this insane shit unfold, plaster starts flying from the walls.
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.400
The pounding intensifies and they feel surrounded by chaos.
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:08.320
Then they watch in horror as a message was scratched into the wall in large, ragged letters.
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:11.119
Esther Cox, you are mine to kill.
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:16.880
This particular event lasted more than two hours before finally Esther fell asleep.
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:19.119
Two hours.
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:19.679
Yeah.
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:25.920
Like it took two hours to scratch or like all of that activity.
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:27.440
No, like all of that activity.
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:31.280
So this was like a two-hour possession event.
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:36.000
When the doctor came back the next day, he found Esther doing chores as if nothing had happened.
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:41.599
He did note, however, that she seemed on edge and anxious, jumping and flinching at any noise.
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:48.559
Have they talked to Esther at this point and been like, hey, you okay?
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.280
Not that I know of.
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.400
I think she's just kind of accepted that this is happening to her.
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.519
She doesn't really talk about what is happening.
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:01.440
Her family isn't like, yo, what the fuck?
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:05.920
They're just kind of like watching and then she falls asleep and they're like, thank God she's asleep.
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:07.679
And then the next day, yeah.
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:10.079
They're just kind of hoping it doesn't happen again.
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:13.599
They're not like that was a little weird yesterday.
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:14.480
Is everything?
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:21.360
They definitely think that it's weird, but I at this point it seems like she is not aware that these things are happening.
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:24.400
I know, which is why it's kind of like they're not talking about it.
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:26.400
I'm not talking about it, they're not telling her, yeah.
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:27.920
I don't know.
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.079
I don't get it.
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:32.079
Um Okay.
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:39.519
Then the last day of the doctor visit, he recalled Esther claiming that someone had thrown a piece of wood at her down in the cellar.
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:42.800
When the doctor accompanied her downstairs, he found nobody there.
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:47.599
As they turned to leave, however, potatoes came flying at them out of nowhere.
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:55.840
Kind of funny that flying potatoes was his last straw, but the doctor could no longer pretend like the strange phenomenon wasn't happening.
01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:06.559
Like, yeah, I saw a pillow, you know, a man lose against air to a pillow, and I saw her like a message scratched on the wall, but flying potatoes, that's it.
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.000
Potatoes hurt.
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:12.239
Okay, now it's getting physically dangerous.
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:12.800
Yes.
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:14.800
I can't ignore this any longer.
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.920
So scratch the walls all you want, but don't touch me.
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:18.719
Right.
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:30.400
So then they did finally ask Esther about these experiences, and she described it feeling as like electricity was running through her body as her body heated and swelled, and the pain was unmeasurable.
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:32.000
So she did know what was happening.
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:32.480
Yeah.
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:32.880
Yeah.
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:38.079
There was a theory that somehow Esther's body was somehow generating an electric force.
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:44.800
This was a theory so as not to discredit the witnesses, but also explain it without labeling it ghostly.
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:48.079
Sedation was tried and observ observations continued.
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:52.320
At one point, the banging was so loud it could be heard from over 200 yards away.
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:59.519
So as soon as the noises were that loud and happening during the day, the entire town was showing up at the house to see what was going on.
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.599
And rumors spread really quick.
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:07.280
How so, like other people heard the banging and were asking what was happening?
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:07.599
Yeah.
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:12.480
And then that's how they found, or was it like her family going out telling people what was happening?
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:19.119
No, they could hear the banging from inside the house, and so they were like, What the hell's going on at the Cox house?
01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.559
A whole lot of nothing, honestly.
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:32.079
So rumors spread quickly, and suddenly everyone was showing up at the Teeds house, including, oh, I guess at this point it is the Teeds house because she's living with her siblings.
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:37.039
Um, inside and out, all hoping to experience something of the strange events for themselves.
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:41.599
Police had to get involved to keep spectators at bay so the family could get some peace.
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:45.199
Meanwhile, Esther is in the middle of this, like I'm literally just a girl.
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.400
The family has had nothing but peace.
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:49.039
Yeah.
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.480
They're just like, okay, that's weird.
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:57.519
I'm just gonna continue making my tea and trying to figure out how many children I have.
01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:58.400
Right.
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:05.039
So meanwhile, Esther is in the middle of all this, like I'm literally just a girl and terrified to go to sleep.
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:12.800
Esther ended up getting very sick with diphtheria and had to stay with another sister as she was bedridden and had to be closer to better doctors.
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.000
While Esther was ill and at her sister's house, things were quiet.
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:18.800
No banging, no messages, no swelling fits.
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.800
The energy had not followed her, and what's more, the teeth home was also quiet.
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:28.320
However, when Esther got better and returned, so did the activity, this time with new phenomena.
01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:31.599
And what's a haunting without fire?
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:37.039
Esther told Jenny that she had heard a voice warning that the house would be set on fire.
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:42.800
Once again, enter the man who dismisses the claim because he's so much smarter than the literal ghost.
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:47.039
Jokes on that he can't be in a pillow fight, yeah.
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:51.199
Jokes on him because as he dismissed the claim, a lit match fell before him.
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:52.639
Then another and another.
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:58.639
The family had to walk around the room and stomp out lit matches that seemed to just be dropping from the ceiling.
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.719
This is when they started thinking, this thing can hear us, can't it?
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:06.159
Naturally, they developed a communication system with the entity.
01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:09.920
One knock for no, two for uncertain, three for yes.
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:13.679
The entity seemed to be able to answer questions correctly.
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:18.719
How many people were in the house, what coins were they holding, and even details hidden in pockets.
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:22.159
Then Daniel Teed asked, Will the house really burn?
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:23.280
The answer was yes.
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:26.000
Minutes later, a dress was found on fire.
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.679
Three days later, Olive noticed smoke bellowing from the cellar.
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:38.079
Men from the town ran to put out the cause and said that a bucket of wood shavings had been intentionally set on fire.
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:43.199
As the months passed, the activity continued to grow, becoming more personal and more malicious.
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:49.760
Esther started speaking of hearing voices and claimed to see a male apparition standing in the room, glaring and laughing at her.
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:54.320
According to Esther, he said that her family would be killed if she did not leave the house.
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:59.039
At some point, there became more than one entity, and they came with names.
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:06.639
The most feared was Bob, who said to be a grimy shoemaker who pounded walls, started fires, and threw objects.
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:13.199
Other entities named Maggie, Mary Fisher, Peter Teed, Jane Nickel, and Eliza McNeil.
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.239
How did they learn these entities' names?
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.880
How extensive was this knocking communication?
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.920
Esther told them what the ghost names were.
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:26.000
Yes.
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.079
The family has to knock to talk to them.
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:28.560
Yes.
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:29.359
Okay, got it.
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:37.600
So important also to note that Eliza's um attempted rapist name was Bob McNeil.
01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:39.680
And the bad ghost is Bob.
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.880
And one of the other ghosts is Eliza McNeil.
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:43.760
How?
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.279
She's 18, correct?
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:45.760
Yeah.
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:49.279
Does she have younger siblings or one of the at least six?
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:52.000
There are younger kids living in the house with her, yeah.
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:54.479
Is one of them a little boy?
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.239
All of this sounds little boy prankish.
01:08:58.720 --> 01:08:59.840
Mmm, okay.
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.199
Um, can little boys make matches fall from the ceiling?
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.079
I feel like little boys could do that.
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:07.920
If they tried, yeah.
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:12.000
As the haunting continued, Daniel T continued to worry about the safety of his home and his family.
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.720
In 1879, he said that Esther had to go.
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:18.720
She was sent away to live with a man named John White, and for a while everything was great.
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:23.439
Esther settled down, the disturbances stopped, and everyone prayed that the nightmare was over.
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:25.760
Then belongings began to go missing.
01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.319
The voices started again, as well as the fires.
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:34.239
John was afraid of leaving Esther home alone, so he began bringing her to his saloon with him during the day.
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:39.199
I guess the ghosts liked to drink because the disturbances followed to the bar.
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:45.840
One day at the saloon, John's son was sat in the saloon waiting or whittling wood with a pocket knife.
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:47.600
How how old is the son?
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:48.399
I don't know.
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:48.880
Okay.
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:56.239
According to John, his son and the several witnesses, the knife he used suddenly flew from his hands and landed in Esther's back.
01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:56.880
What?
01:09:57.920 --> 01:09:58.239
Yeah.
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.560
It was like impaling it?
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:01.119
Yes.
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:06.079
It was non-fatal, and the knife was carefully removed, cleaned, and placed back into his pocket.
01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:16.399
Moments moments later, the knife flew out of the son's pocket, unlocked itself, and lodged into the same exact spot in her back.
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:20.159
After the second wound, they locked the knife up.
01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:27.359
Um I don't know what to say about that one.
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:28.079
I know.
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:30.640
So now because we're talking about humans.
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:31.600
Oh, wait, wait, go ahead.
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:32.000
Wait, wait.
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:33.439
I do know what to say about that one.
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:34.960
Are there witnesses?
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:36.319
How full is this saloon?
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:37.520
Did anybody else see this?
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:38.720
Yeah, there were witnesses.
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:39.279
I said that.
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:40.399
Oh, oops, sorry.
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.359
I thought that was more just like what the fuck?
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:43.840
Yeah.
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.199
Yeah, no, there were people in the saloon that witnessed this.
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:48.560
Okay.
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:50.880
Okay, okay, okay.
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:56.399
So now because we're talking about humans, there was bound to be someone who tried to profit off of this.
01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:01.199
So in the spring of 1979, the events were well known all over the country.
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:08.640
They thought the attention of or they caught the attention of Walter Hubble, an actor touring through the region.
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:16.960
Now, he also had an interest in exposing fraudulent mediums, which is a rare, like um special interest.
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:24.479
But um he he had an interest in this because a close friend was scammed by a fake psychic when his mom died.
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:26.079
So that sucks.
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:31.760
Yeah, so he's like, now I'm gonna disprove all of these mediums and anything paranormal.
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:40.399
So when he heard about the great Amherst mystery, he saw the possibility of exposing the fraud and the possibility of making money.
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:50.000
His plan was to take Esther out in front of um out in front of offices, present her as sort of a show.
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:54.560
Uh, charge people to come, witness the events, and then expose the fraud.
01:11:54.960 --> 01:12:00.000
He made the plan, set out to stay he made the plan and set out to stay with the Teeds.
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:02.960
When he got there, his plan was quickly squashed.
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:08.159
He heard the knocks, witnessed the events, he asked questions and got intelligent responses.
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:10.880
He watched for trickery and found none.
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:13.600
Long story short, he was like, damn, this is real.
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.079
She agreed to go on the tour anyway.
01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:18.800
And they were met with a lot of violence, so they came home.
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:20.399
It did not last for very long.
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:25.279
People were like, um, why are you bringing this freaking haunted object around the world?
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:27.520
I was so confused.
01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:32.560
Okay, okay, so he wanted to bamboozle Esther.
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:37.039
Yes, he wanted to reveal that she was just playing a trick on everyone for attention.
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:45.279
He goes there, he believes it, and they're like, Okay, well, instead of tricking you, I'm just gonna profit off of you anyways.
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:46.880
Yeah, she still agreed to go.
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.520
And then everyone else was like, what the fuck?
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:50.960
And started attacking them?
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:53.039
Yeah, they were like, take that bitch home.
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:53.840
Okay, okay.
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:55.119
We don't want her here.
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:55.680
Okay.
01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:58.800
There wasn't any break in the terror at this point.
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:03.760
Night and day was filled with things being moved, loud knocking, knives were still flying at Esther.
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:05.840
Why is she around knives?
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:06.640
I know.
01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:10.159
She would even wake up with pins stuck in her body.
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:16.399
Um, okay, the first time that why why do you keep allowing all of these sharp objects next to you?
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:16.960
I know.
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:18.720
Again, they're still counting their kids.
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:20.560
Okay, okay, okay.
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:27.439
Um, so Esther was sent away again, this time to stay with an elderly couple on their farm.
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:30.960
I don't know who these people are that they're just sending her off when they're like, fix her.
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:32.319
Isn't she married?
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:33.439
No, she's not married.
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:42.079
Oh, wait, who was she's living with her um siblings, and then her sister Olive is married to um the teed.
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:46.000
Oh, teed John is the brother, and then I forgot the other guy's name already.
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:47.119
There's a lot of people.
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:47.520
Yeah.
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:48.720
I also lost count.
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:49.840
I knew them.
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:54.159
Um, so she was sent away to live with this elderly couple on their farm.
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:58.479
Again, things quieted down for a while with no events in the teed home or on the farm.
01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:02.479
But then after a few months of her stay, the elderly couple's barn burned down.
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:03.600
Esther, yeah.
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:09.520
Esther blamed Bob, the entity she believed was following her all along, and the farmer blamed Esther.
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:13.279
They pressed charges against her and she was sentenced to four months in jail.
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:18.479
Although, interestingly enough, the community pushed back in support of Esther because they believed her.
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:29.199
So they were like, she has been falsely imprisoned, she can't control what she's doing, and their outrage was so strong that she only ended up serving a month in in jail.
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:47.199
Um I was Esther, okay, listen, if I was Esther, yeah, and I was truly and honestly being haunted in waking up with like pins and knives in me, and then I was sentenced to jail where there are no pins and knives.
01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:49.119
I think I would want to stay there.
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:49.760
Yeah.
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:52.800
Yeah, I don't really know what her thoughts were at this point.
01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:57.520
But after she got out of jail, this is basically where it ended.
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.800
She moved to a new town and started her own family.
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.079
She was married twice and had a son by both men.
01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:08.800
There was no more paranormal activity, and she led an otherwise normal life.
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:15.439
She just had this one to two-year time period where she was haunted or traumatized or mentally ill.
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.439
I personally think both.
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:21.119
I think traumatic events, like I said in the beginning, hold energy.
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:26.720
And the fact that the main malicious ghost name was Bob is a little too coincidental.
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:27.439
Yeah.
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:39.119
Um, I also believe that because she went through a traumatic event, she definitely had PS PTSD going on, uh, which could have resulted in mania, which also could have manifested some of the behavior.
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:44.720
Um, but I do believe that this was paranormal to some degree because of all the witnesses.
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:46.960
That, like, that is my whole thing.
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.840
At first, I thought it was just like a shithead little kid.
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:50.960
Yeah, yeah.
01:15:51.359 --> 01:16:01.199
Um, who like with the matches was just like kind of throwing the the family, doesn't seem to be too there mentally or like physically.
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:02.079
Yeah.
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:11.279
So it would be easy for a kid to like orchestrate most of this, but all of the wit like even the knocking, he could have just knocked.
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:13.199
There's like at least six of them.
01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:13.680
Right.
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:20.319
Like if one of them went missing for a little bit of period of time to start knocking on walls, like I can see that, or like knocking behind it.
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:23.039
So these are well-built houses back then.
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:23.600
Yeah, yeah.
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.239
Like you knock hard enough, things are gonna start flying off.
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:30.399
Like, I could see most of this happening with human interference, right?
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:43.199
The knife flying into her back twice in front of multiple people is what is weird, yeah, is what makes me second guess the child.
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:44.319
Yeah.
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:55.439
And then part of me thinks Esther is doing it somehow because the fact that she had gotten away with it and then she was put to jail, and then she was like, Oh, this is serious.
01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:57.600
I could actually be like, I can't do this again.
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.960
They're not gonna let me off twice, and then all of a sudden it stops.
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:07.439
That makes me a little bit suspicious of Esther, but the same thing, like, how did the knife fly?
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:14.399
Like, I could see how Esther and one of the kids was like, Hey, it would be so funny if we did this, yeah, and it was like a tag team.
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:18.640
Yeah, I just it's the knife flying that puts a pause.
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:22.640
Yeah, no, I that's also kind of why I think it's both.
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:32.079
I do think that because she experienced trauma, she probably knew that she was doing some of these things on her own accord.
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:39.760
Um, but all of the household, the doctor, the neighbors could hear the banging, Hubble heard and saw the events.
01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:44.960
Like it's just too many witnesses to not have been something more.
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:46.239
I agree, I agree.
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:50.000
So yeah, that's the story.
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:54.720
Kind of like a hard ending, like it just stopped.
01:17:55.039 --> 01:18:00.960
No resolution, really, but I know both of our stories just kind of ended with a that's what happened! That's it.
01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:02.399
We don't really know what happened.
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:04.319
Your guess is as good as ours.
01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:06.319
But that's what conspiracies are.
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:07.680
Yeah, true that.
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:09.760
That is why we like them.
01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:10.640
Yes.
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:12.800
Alright.
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:16.319
Do we have any beef of the weeks this week?
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:24.720
I don't have a beef of the week, but I uh do have a thought that I've forgotten.
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:27.840
I used to have a thought.
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:28.960
I used to have a thought.
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:30.239
Now she's gone.
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.279
Now my single thought has fled.
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:37.279
Um, I don't know.
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:39.520
I'll think what do you have anything?
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:42.880
I have a thought.
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:44.399
I not a thought.
01:18:44.479 --> 01:18:45.920
I do have a beef of the week.
01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:47.199
What's your beef?
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:57.840
And I know I live in America, and I know the other cultures are not like America.
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:08.479
But and I'm not gonna say anything insensitive to another culture of like before you just turn this off and you're like, oh no.
01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:13.199
I'm not gonna say anything insensitive.
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:29.279
Um, so I work at an uh uh an apartment complex now, and the apartment pop complex has a pool, and there are some parents who let their kids swim completely nude.
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.359
That is not where I thought you were going with this.
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.039
I thought you were gonna say alone.
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:36.640
That's why I was like nodding my head.
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:40.560
I was like so ready to be like, yes, parents just be leaving their kids.
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:43.600
No, nude completely nude.
01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:50.319
No diaper, no swim trunks, and the two times I've seen it have been little boys.
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:53.920
What is going on?
01:19:54.319 --> 01:20:03.359
Okay, I I understand America has this whole like purity thing going on in other countries.
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.800
Like, sex is like just a normal thing, it gets talked about.
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:08.880
You guys have nude beaches.
01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:12.000
Understand, love it.
01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:14.000
Minors should not be nude in public.
01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:16.159
No, that's crazy work.
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:26.159
In the age where it's legal to make AI child pornography, children should not be nude.
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:33.439
Children should not be nude in public in public spaces, no, and it wasn't like they were the only kids at the pool.
01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:37.279
There's other grown adults, men and women.
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:42.640
Not that men are the only ones who like are pedophiles, but it's mostly men.
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:48.560
But there are men and they are women and they all have phones.
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:52.159
It is so easy to sneak take a picture.
01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:58.079
Why are you giving grown adults access to your naked child?
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:01.680
I know they have like not physical access, yeah.
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.680
But but you know they have smartphones, yeah.
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:07.119
You know they have cameras.
01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:08.560
It is 2026.
01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:09.039
Yeah.
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:13.760
Oh my god, that's disturbing to me, actually.
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:16.319
That is crazy.
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:18.159
That is crazy work.
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:18.960
That's insane.
01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:20.640
That is my beef of the week.
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:25.760
People who lit their children naked in front of adult strangers.
01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:27.279
Nope.
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:29.680
Let the hate comments come in.
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:31.760
I don't even care about these hate comments.
01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:32.560
I will fight these ones.
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:34.159
Connor's getting ready.
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:36.399
I will die on this hill.
01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:37.840
Do you remember Connor?
01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:39.359
I remember Connor.
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:41.119
Come for us, Connor.
01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:45.039
I will run you down on a roundabout over this topic.
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:48.159
Oh my gosh.
01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:50.640
That's it's not funny.
01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:51.199
That's horrible.
01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:54.159
Yeah, this that is my beef of the week.
01:21:54.560 --> 01:22:02.880
I mean, don't give your minors not like these both of these kids were like between two and four year old.
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:03.920
Yeah.
01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:04.960
No.
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:10.560
No, no, put some clothes on those babies.
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:13.039
Why are you giving them access to pedophiles?
01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:18.159
I know not like I know the pedophiles aren't physically having access to them, but that's not the thing.
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:19.119
Right, that's not the point.
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:24.800
You should have enough care and consideration and fear to put clothing on your children.
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:25.760
I agree.
01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:26.640
In public.
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:27.279
Yeah.
01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:27.520
Yeah.
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:29.920
I'm not trying to like mom shit.
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:32.880
I I hate that like this is a thing you have to say.
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:34.079
Like, I know.
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:39.520
I people are probably gonna be like, you're so overreactive, not everybody's a pedophile.
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:40.000
That doesn't matter.
01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:40.880
I don't think so.
01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:42.319
I think you're gonna understand.
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:46.479
Like the apartment complex that I work in has over 500 units.
01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:50.239
Are you so sure that not one of them is a pedophile?
01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:50.800
Right.
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:54.880
Like, like why would you at risk?
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:59.439
Even aside from all of that, I just don't think it's appropriate to have.
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:04.800
Like, even if there wasn't a risk of like safety, I just think it's not appropriate to be.
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:06.960
See, that I mean that's like a matter of opinion.
01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:07.520
Yeah, yeah.
01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:07.920
Yeah.
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:12.239
So like I'm not trying to go about it like how indecent it's right.
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:14.720
For me, it's 100% safety.
01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:15.119
Yes.
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:19.600
You wanna wear a string bikini, whatever, do you?
01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:20.479
I don't care.
01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:21.039
Yeah.
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:29.039
But to have a kid completely nude who has no understanding of safety, you're supposed to be safety.
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:30.800
I was gonna say you're supposed to be.
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.119
Yeah, you are the safety there.
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:34.720
Like it's just I don't know.
01:23:34.960 --> 01:23:36.479
Yeah, crazy.
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:36.880
Yep.
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:42.399
I think that my thought of the week was probably something about weddings again.
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:45.359
That's like the only thing on my mind.
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:51.119
I have to do upwards of four separate dress fittings for one of them.
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:54.079
Yeah, that's awful.
01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:54.720
I know.
01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:56.960
If you need me, I'm here for you.
01:23:57.039 --> 01:24:01.279
You know that well, yeah.
01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:02.399
I guess that's it.
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:04.079
Yep, dress your kids.
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:07.279
Put your kids in clothes and have a nice day.
01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:09.760
I don't want to see any more mini weenies.
01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:12.000
Please, for the love of God.
01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:16.800
Oh yeah, I forgot we have to say more things.
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:17.520
Yes.
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:19.359
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01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:20.319
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