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I. For immature audiences only. Welcome to the
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Now We Consume Podcast, everybody. I'm your host,
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Pip. Here with me tonight is my co -host, Gibbs.
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What? Gibbles is dealing with some family stuff,
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so we are going to have our friend Mansley standing
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in for him tonight. And tonight we're going to
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talk about one of American history's more infamous
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events, June the 4th of 2004. The day of Marvin
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Haymeyer's infamous Killdozer incident. We all
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like to remember that when local government tried
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to fuck you, you fucked them right back. Be ungovernable.
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He's really become a big meme over the last probably
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10 years or so. He really has. But also, before
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we get too far into this, I would like to mention
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my middle son, my 14 -year -old, taught me a
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new word this afternoon. Queef nugget. And it
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was used in the context of y 'all are queef nuggets
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and you're going to get eaten. I don't know what's
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wrong with this generation, but I was both worried
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and proud of him. I generally don't know. I'm
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just... Nope, I'm not going to address it. Nope,
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I'm going to move on. We're going to move on
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with my day. We're going to skip past that part.
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Because every question I have to ask, I don't
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want the answer to. So we're going to move on
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from that one. I got a DNA test not needed with
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that one. No, not at all. Good lord. You know
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what, though? I will say, if he ever goes in
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the military, he'd be an excellent drill instructor.
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Oh, most likely, yeah. Because he would be the
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guy that can come up with the best insults with
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a straight face. 100%, yes. So, The Killdozer.
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Most people are familiar with The Killdozer,
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but if you're not, this is going to be an episode
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that is a little bit different than the majority
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of ours. This is going to be more of a storytelling
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episode because it's a historical kind of deal.
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This happened 22 years ago. It's odd that it
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was that long ago, and it still feels kind of
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like yesterday almost. But, you know, it is what
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it is. So we'll go back and give you some backstory.
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Marvin Haymeyer, or Haymeyer, it depends on how
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you want to pronounce it, was a man born in 51
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on a dairy farm in South Dakota. Joined the Air
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Force, and once he got out of the Air Force,
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he settled in the Granby area in 1990 after spending
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the remainder of the 70s and most of the 80s
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in Boulder. The friends that he made would describe
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him as an extremely skilled welder and a guy
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who would bend over backwards to help people.
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There was, however, another side to this man.
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Reports of a very short and hot temper. There
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were reports of him even getting into disputes
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and making threats when a customer dispute resulted
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in an incident over a muffler charge. So there's
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a little bit of backstory. We're not going to
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spend a ton on that because that's not what y
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'all are here for. So what made Marvin snap?
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In 1992, he purchased two acres of land for $42
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,000 at an auction with plans to lease the property
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to a friend who intended to build an auto repair
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shop on the site. Present at said auction was
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one Cody Docheff. The Docheff family had previously
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owned this property, and as an aside, they...
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owned a concrete factory that was right next
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to where this property was at. Heymeyer claimed
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that Docheff had berated him for several minutes
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out of anger after this auction was over because
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he was bidding against him for this property.
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Allegedly, the bidding had started nice and low,
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and Heymeyer had bid on it kind of out of nowhere.
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He was new to the town. No one knew where he
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was or who he was. And Cody Docheff got very
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upset that this seeming nobody had bought the
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property out from under him, more or less. So
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he was pretty pissed off about it. So this property
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had a very rudimentary sewage storage solution
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in the form of a buried cement mixer left by
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the previous owners. The cost to update the sewer
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system would be nearly double the $42 ,000 that
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Haymeyer had paid for the property. So this sewage
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system is going to be kind of the bane and the
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backbone of the entire situation when it comes
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to this property. City officials told Marvin
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that putting in a septic tank was a much less
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expensive alternative. But he rejected both options
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and said that the government not paying for the
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sewage line hookup was extortion by government
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fiat. Now, whether you agree with that or not,
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I don't know, but it is what it is. You've got
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to have somewhere for the poop to go. I'm just
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surprised that the previous owners were allowed
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to put a concrete mixer in the ground as a sewage
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solution. That already wouldn't meet up to any
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codes, even back then. No. It almost seems like
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a failure of local government to say, hey, buddy,
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look, that can't happen. Well, if you remember,
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the Docheffs said that they had previously owned
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it. So that tells you right there what was going
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on. Now, something to keep in mind. This area,
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Granby, was a very small town. And it was one
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of those towns where everybody knew everybody.
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Everybody was kind of buddy -buddy with everybody.
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Everybody grew up together. So the mayor knew
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the sheriff, knew the city council, and they
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all kind of worked together and were all in on
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the same things. So it was a very big issue,
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kind of like Ruby Ridge, where a little bit of
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corruption goes a long way. So this situation
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really kind of goes to show you that when a group
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of people, who are hell -bent on really sticking
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to their guns for the wrong reasons, they can
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and will get away with it. Again, like Ruby Ridge.
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Oh, yeah. So, despite the setbacks, he did not
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withdraw his annexation request and subsequently
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became part of the sewer district. So, Marvin's
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all set up, ready to go and get everything done.
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But in 1993, Haymeyer had abandoned the plans
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to rent the property to the friend and instead
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decided to open his own muffler shop. Now, during
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his time in the 70s and 80s, that's kind of what
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he did was he worked at auto shops and was repairing
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mufflers. He became known as Marv the Muffler
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Man. I mean, that was a big thing back in those
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times. A lot of people would kind of go around
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and just throw a fence pipe on their car as a
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makeshift muffler with no catalytic converter.
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I once had a car where that was what the muffler
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was, a straight shot exhaust pipe with no catalytic
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converter. It was a fence post. That's back in
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the glorious days before emissions, before everything
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else. Back when we do that stuff, because let
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me tell you, back at the old shop, I wish. I
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could have just fixed exhaust that easily. It
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was always, I got to buy a new cat and it's got
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to be the right one for the right manufacturer.
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Do this and that and up to specs. Oh yeah. God
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back then. It must've been so great. Just be
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like, yeah, 20, 30 bucks. I'll just put a new
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piece of pipe call it a day. Yep. Oh yeah. So
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jealous. So according to Marvin, his friend had
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lost interest in the property around sometime
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in April of 92 because of oil spills and other
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environmental issues. So Gibbs, you want to take
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this next section here for a little bit? Yeah,
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absolutely. In 1997, the Docheff family planned
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to expand their business to include a concrete
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batch plant and were buying up the land around
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their current lot, hoping to lease the remaining
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23 parcels to smaller manufacturers. They were
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informed by the town planning commission they
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needed a planned development overlay district
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permit to construct the plant as part of their
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Mountain Park concrete development. The commission
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also suggested that the dosha family ask if they
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could purchase he Myers plot to keep the plant
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away from the hotels and business on route 40.
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He Meyer then asked for $250 ,000 for his property.
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Mind you, he did pay 40 ,000 for it or 42. So
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that's a bit of a markup there. That's a reasonable,
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but fair. I mean, clearly if, if the other family's
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buying up 40 something acres for 23 separate
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or 29 separate, whatever. you know sub -businesses
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or plots they clearly have the money he later
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claimed that he had a lot reappraised and asked
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for additional 125 all right now you're asked
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a lot the dough chefs managed to collect 350
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000 but according to susan uh he might again
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upped his asking price claiming he had the property
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reappraised again at a higher value this time
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asking for 450 i this is where i'm not saying
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I'm not saying he deserved to have all this happen
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to him, but I mean, come on, dude. I read you.
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It was two 50. Now you're asking for four 50.
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Yeah. I'm not saying it's extortion, but it's
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clearly like, dude, you're playing a game here,
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especially when you had bought it less than a
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decade before for 42. Yeah. So I, I think I made
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a small oopsie in the notes here. Yeah. There
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were some issues that had gone on. The, the dough
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shifts were supposed to allow a connection to
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happen. on their part of the land that Haymeyer
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did not get to have happen because of some issues
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later in the notes. Oh, okay. But, but so this
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is, that's happening at the same time though.
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Yeah. Right around there. Okay. So he's kind
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of trying to raise the money to kind of get back
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at them. Okay. So, yeah, but they, they had gotten
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a part. He even, And Cody Docheff had even offered
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to sell a portion of the land that he would need
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to get the connection made. And I think we talked
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about that a little bit later, but at some point
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they were just trying to buy the whole thing
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back and just get rid of him and get the headache
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off. So that's a lot of where this, this part
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came in. But yeah, I think that's fine. Well,
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either way, I think three 50. To be honest, especially
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back then. Oh, yeah. That's like almost $450
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,000 especially is close to a million dollars
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in today's money. Don't worry about that, but
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that's 10x as money. Oh, yeah. There's almost
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no business you can do where you start it and
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then you 10x your money in less than a decade.
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Yeah, in that amount of time, no. Yeah. So, like,
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not to be that guy, but at that point, it's like,
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dude, just take the money. Yeah. What are you
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doing? But who knows? You know, maybe at this
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point, from what it seems like. And again, we
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get into more stuff later. I don't want to spoil
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anything, but it seems like it's just a very
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personal kind of back and forth battle where
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one person oversteps, the other guy oversteps,
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he keeps going back and forth. And mind you,
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something for the audience to keep in mind is
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not every interaction and everything was documented,
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quite a bit of it is, but there is a lot of he
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said, she said, there was a lot of back and forth
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stuff. So who knows all the other little things
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leading up to some of these events as well. Now
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keep that in mind. But anyways, so there was
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a negotiation that happened before the rezoning
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proposal, and he had a public hearing at the
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town hall. He may have launched a public campaign
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against the planned concrete plant. His campaign
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was initially successful with members of the
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public concerned about potential environmental
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impacts packing into hearings on the construction
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proposals. The Docheffs addressed these concerns
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by promising to install additional measures against
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dust and noise and presented miniatures of the
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plant to concerned citizens. Opposition to the
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proposal had dwindled over time, and the plan
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was set to move forward again. In November of
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2000, he may have filed a lawsuit to block the
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project. So looking at the timeline, that means
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he had since like 97 or 96, this is like four
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years, almost five years into it. at this point
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yeah and now they're looking looking forward
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to move forward with the project right why is
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it that every time someone's got some kind of
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a a lawsuit going on they bust out the miniatures
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and models and all of a sudden everybody's like
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oh yeah that that looks pretty it makes sense
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it let's just go with it i think it's because
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once people have something tangible they're not
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afraid even if it doesn't make sense though yes
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it's just because they're afraid of the unknown
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because here's the thing people are dumb yeah
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i know you know i'll tell you but you know people
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assume the worst you know they'll imagine this
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giant monstrosity when it might not be the case
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or they'll assume it will extend into their property
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it's like no yeah i got i'm not defending either
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side but it's like i guess just the easiest way
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to win public approval is like here here's what
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it'll look like they'll be like oh cool i don't
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know yeah i suppose it just it it just seems
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like anytime you've got stuff going on you can
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pull out the the miniature model make it look
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pretty no matter how much you're lying to the
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public's face and they'll just go with it add
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a bunch of trees some shrubbery you know yeah
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a little pot down the middle you know spruce
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it up make it look nice yeah but anyways By January
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9, 2001, Hiemeyer had lost most of his allies
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in opposition to the concrete plant. Those managers
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must have done a really good job. And the city
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officials almost unanimously approved its construction.
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This made the final approval by Granby's zoning
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commission of trustees in April a formality.
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Hiemeyer tried to appeal the decision, claiming
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the construction blocked access to his shop.
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Here's the key point here. he had been going
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back and forth with them about needing a road
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to gain access to a shop because basically the
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rough kind of design from what i remember from
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this was that his shop was kind of set back yeah
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off the road quite a bit and so part of that
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road part of that easement of that access is
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part of where they want to build this big concrete
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commercial industrial section so his problem
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is if they build it he no longer has a legal
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road to get to his shop yeah so the the map that
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You can find it shows the plots they were buying
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up. He had a parking lot type path that was going
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through one of those lots to get to the muffler
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shop. And one of those plots that were getting
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bought up owned that land. And there was no right
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of way law at that point. So they buy that plot.
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They control the access to his shop. There's
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no way to get to his shop. So he has no way.
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to even get to his business legally or conduct
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business without them saying that he can. So
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that's kind of, that's kind of fucked up. Yeah.
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Well, especially if you have a zoning board,
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like you legally have to have access for any
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sort of commercial property. Or they can just
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say, no, you, you can't have access because we
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want this plant to go through. Yeah. That's part
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of the problem is like, there's supposed to be
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things in place to guarantee. Yeah. you know,
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access with the business. Cause all you would
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just need is a little two lane road, even a single
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lane. You can make it work with an easement or
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something, but no, but that's, that's one of
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the problems at, you know, and a word to the
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wise, if you're ever trying to build in a small
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town, you got to make friends and know everybody.
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It's politics that that's how small towns work.
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You know, even cities too. You need a really
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large bulldozer. We're getting there. An extremely
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large bulldozer. It's one of the biggest ones.
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It's huge. i encourage everybody at this point
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uh definitely look up some photos look up some
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video but by the end of the episode to really
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get the scale um fun fact on youtube whistling
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diesel did make a modern recreation he bought
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one is making like a modern recreation of it
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you can see that too to get like a modern sense
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of scale but it's big it's big yeah but anyways
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let's see in june 2001 so after He Meyer tried
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to appeal this decision by the zoning commission,
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claiming the construction blocked access to a
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shop. He also complained to the Environmental
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Protection Agency. This resulted in Docheff family
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having a professional noise analysis done, and
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I'm assuming that they passed. Yeah. If that's
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the case. Paid off to pass. Precisely. Yes. They
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got the okay. They got the stamp. In June 2001,
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Joe Docheff made He Meyer an offer over the phone,
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whereby if he might drop the lawsuit. They provide
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him with an easement to connect a sewer line
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to the new concrete plant free of charge. So
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they're dwelling to the sewer line, but not the
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road. Right. So it's meaningless. Yeah. It's
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like, it's like, Hey, we'll give you a sewer
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line. It's like, cool, but I still can't get
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to my own shop. Yeah. So in response to that,
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Marvin just hangs up the phone. Oh yeah. Around
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this time, the buried country. concrete truck
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barrel that served as Heemeyer's sewage hole
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had been full. Heemeyer responded by pumping
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his sewage of the gasoline pump right into the
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irrigation ditch that ran behind his property.
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I'm assuming really that's the property that
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borders on the Docheff's plant. The Docheff's,
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yes. I got the poo on me. That's saying from
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Joe Dirt. Yep, yep. All I can think about was
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the poo geyser from the movie RV with Robin Williams.
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Oh, yeah. But Heemeyer also attempted to illegally
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connect to a neighbor's sewer line, but was caught
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in the incident reported to the sanitation district.
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So this is one of those things where both parties
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have done some stupid stuff. Yep. Because I get
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Heemeyer's frustration, but why not just call
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a pump truck and just have it pumped out? I don't
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know if they would. Because it's not supposed
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to be there. And even though it is a tank in
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the ground, they may not touch it. But it was
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approved by the city. It really wasn't, though.
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But then can you sell a property without... See,
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this is part of what we don't know. I don't know
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if when Heemeyer bought it, if they had disclosed,
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hey, this is not a legal sewage situation. You
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got to get this fixed. And maybe that's why he
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got it for so cheap. probably there could be
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some wording here that you know because some
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of these records are not publicly available right
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so just keep that in mind but if that had if
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that had been a discussion before then if you
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look at it from the side of the no chefs it's
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like what the fuck dude right like you bought
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someplace that you don't need to work and you
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get mad it needs work you know but at the same
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point i do understand that like if they were
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running a shop out of there previously you can't
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put a cement mixer in the ground dude that's
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not how that works i mean the epa alone should
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have already been called at the minute he got
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it was like hey they sold me a property with
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massive violations like yeah he should have been
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on the ball on that one he could have got it
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back and then some free connection free septic
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all that shit yeah he could have just played
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the ball but like look all i just want is a road
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access and sewer hookup have them pay for it
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and that's it and this would have never happened
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yep you know because again you never know sometimes
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you never know until you just ask a stupid question
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yep You know, because again, clearly the no -chiefs
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have the money. Obviously. They ain't poor. But
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anyways. Humeyer also attempted to legally connect
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to the neighbor's sewer line. He was caught in
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the incident and was reported to the sanitation
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district. At this point, the sewer district started
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enforcing a legal requirement to have the sewer
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hook up or accept a tank and fined Humeyer $2
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,500 for it and several other code violations
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at his business. nine years after he was now
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this is the other thing this has all happened
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nine years after he was required to have installed
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either a septic tank or the sewer line so i feel
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like honestly they were being pretty fair with
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him either way like if you had nine years if
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you're running a muffler shop even while it was
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working you had time to fix it well but they
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they kept kicking it back every time he tried
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though and that's the issue They refused to give
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him the easement. So his only connection was
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on the Docheff's land. And they wouldn't budge.
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Okay, so even though while Heemeyer made some
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poor decisions, they still basically choked him
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out. Oh yeah, 100%. Okay. So now we're on to
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where Decisions were made. Yep. And by decisions,
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I do mean a singular, very big decision. Yep.
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After the lawsuit against the town was dismissed
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in April of 2002, he buyer had blamed the failure
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on his lawyer and demanded a refund. Knowing
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the zoning decision was now final, he traveled
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to California and purchased a Komatsu D355A bulldozer.
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Now, Something I want to bring up. I'm going
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to actually copy and paste this because I forgot
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to check. Yep. You can't find these things now.
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They are very expensive. Also, the thing is 50
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tons. It is the weight of most World War II tanks.
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The big ones. It's only like 10 tons shy of a
00:24:04.069 --> 00:24:10.170
Tiger I. It's huge. Big, big bulldozer. It's
00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:12.650
one of the biggest ones. Yep. Well, he traveled
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to California to purchase one at an auction for
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16 grand. That's nothing. That was a steal. He
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had originally intended to flip it. Oh, yeah.
00:24:24.730 --> 00:24:26.589
He kept outside of his business with a for sale
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sign on it. He was trying to sell it, but nothing
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happened. And mind you, that was back in April.
00:24:33.430 --> 00:24:38.130
Of 2002. Of 2002, yes. So this is now. several
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years into this whole i'm sorry july it was it
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went up for sale outside of his shop in july
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of 02 oh yep but by october he had announced
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the closure of the muffler repair business you
00:24:50.390 --> 00:24:52.630
know because of the lack of an easement because
00:24:52.630 --> 00:24:55.369
of not being able to do anything putting almost
00:24:55.369 --> 00:24:57.690
all the inventory up for sale when the bulldozer
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failed to sell which i can't believe nobody bought
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that thing like i know that's a good chunk of
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change but like that's a nice piece of equipment
00:25:06.380 --> 00:25:10.380
now this is where it gets a little weird a little
00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:13.579
a little weird yeah i think this is what happens
00:25:13.579 --> 00:25:15.940
if somebody has a just mentally just snaps yeah
00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:19.480
and loses their shit yeah you may take this part
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:24.759
yeah you're more than welcome okay so here we
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:28.000
are in october of 02 he's telling everybody the
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.359
shop's closing down he's done he's given up the
00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:34.609
dough chips have won Puts all of his inventory
00:25:34.609 --> 00:25:36.509
up for sale. He's just going to cash it out,
00:25:36.630 --> 00:25:39.329
get what he can get, sail off into the sunset,
00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:45.470
right? But then there's that bulldozer. This
00:25:45.470 --> 00:25:50.690
thing did not sell. It's looking at him. He's
00:25:50.690 --> 00:25:54.569
looking at it. It's looking at him. And he sees
00:25:54.569 --> 00:25:58.390
this beam of sunlight hit it from the cloudiest
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of days. and sees this as a sign from God to
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:06.079
use the machine to enact his vengeance upon the
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.440
town of Granby. Now, he ends up selling the property
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:15.279
for $400 ,000, and he gets that almost 10x he
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:20.440
was after. Which is crazy. Yeah. Now, here's
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.359
the funny part. He sold it to a waste disposal
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.559
company. Which, as soon as that happened, I was
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.299
like, what the fuck? Are you kidding me? Right.
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:31.079
It must be, I bet you it's a company that they
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:36.279
had known. Everybody knew everybody, so yeah.
00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:41.359
So he sold it to them in October of 03, and he
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was able to talk them into a lease for half of
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the building that was still there because he
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had some work to finish up. Within a day of the
00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:55.140
purchase closing, the new owners had completed
00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:59.250
water and sewage connections to the city. With
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no issues. Man. That's how you know this was
00:27:03.069 --> 00:27:07.710
personal. That's exactly how you know. So he
00:27:07.710 --> 00:27:10.549
puts up a wall. To separate the space that he's
00:27:10.549 --> 00:27:13.589
leasing. From the rest of the building. Changed
00:27:13.589 --> 00:27:16.809
out the locks. And nobody could see. Into that
00:27:16.809 --> 00:27:19.589
half of the building. He brings the bulldozer
00:27:19.589 --> 00:27:23.390
inside. And starts to illegally modify the thing.
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:28.700
He also puts some living quarters. in there,
00:27:28.819 --> 00:27:33.359
which he was not supposed to do. It was not designated
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:39.200
as a space for living area, but whatever. He
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.980
did that so that he wouldn't have to go back
00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:44.279
to his home in Grand Lake. He saw that as a waste
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:49.140
of time that could be spent on the dozer. Yeah,
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:53.180
this is where you know he's got to lose his marbles
00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:59.319
here. He gone, okay? He gone. The red mist has
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:04.980
descended. Yeah. So over the next 18 months,
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.980
Marvin transforms the Komatsu into what he calls
00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:17.839
Marv's Komatsu tank. The MKT. He's adding in
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.960
layers of steel and concrete armor, cameras,
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:27.180
and periscopes for full 360 degree vision. He
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:30.599
adds in gun ports, and he stocks it with a week's
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.900
worth of food and water, extra firearms, and
00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:40.400
even a .50 caliber rifle. He records audio tapes,
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.680
which turned out to be part manifesto and part
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:48.579
goodbye. During those 18 months, he was methodical,
00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:54.740
patient, and entirely committed. And the weirdest
00:28:54.740 --> 00:29:00.799
part? No one suspected a thing. He talked to
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.359
some people about what he was going to do. They
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.140
thought he was just crazy. They thought he was
00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:09.319
just a man who had snapped and had delusions
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.279
of grandeur. They never imagined that he was
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.640
actually doing what he was saying, even though
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.500
he literally had the skills, material time and
00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:24.339
space to do it. So kind of like when we talked
00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:28.799
about. the las vegas shooting which was probably
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.680
a setup and a red flag a false flag refer to
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.160
that episode that's one of our better episodes
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:39.220
yes it is uh people talk about these things and
00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:41.299
say they're going to do them and no one believes
00:29:41.299 --> 00:29:45.200
them or thinks they're being serious so you know
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:50.400
no and something i did look up i did want to
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.829
share uh -huh So the rough approximate weight
00:29:53.829 --> 00:29:57.450
of the finished killdozer was 122 ,000 pounds
00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:00.430
or 61 tons. So he added approximately over 10
00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:04.230
tons. Of armor. Between armor, the weapons, you
00:30:04.230 --> 00:30:06.309
know, the ventilation system, all that. Yep.
00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:11.329
That's some serious work. Oh, yeah. That is not
00:30:11.329 --> 00:30:15.890
easy. Yeah. And people get confused about what
00:30:15.890 --> 00:30:18.890
the concrete was for. He was using the concrete.
00:30:19.470 --> 00:30:24.710
as spaced armor between the plates so which is
00:30:24.710 --> 00:30:27.829
smart it's he knew enough man oh yeah you know
00:30:27.829 --> 00:30:32.269
that that was back before uh i know chubham armor
00:30:32.269 --> 00:30:33.849
a lot of our stuff wasn't really made public
00:30:33.849 --> 00:30:36.450
knowledge back then what we're using on the abrams
00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:39.829
for example right but being able to switch between
00:30:39.829 --> 00:30:43.190
steel and then concrete and steel he basically
00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.970
made his own you know anti -shape charge armor
00:30:46.970 --> 00:30:50.730
on the cheap which is for someone that not i
00:30:50.730 --> 00:30:52.750
don't know what his if he has a military background
00:30:52.750 --> 00:30:55.450
or not or whatever he did air force so he knew
00:30:55.450 --> 00:30:59.109
he wasn't stupid yeah so like that's impressive
00:30:59.109 --> 00:31:02.750
you know something i did find out too as well
00:31:02.750 --> 00:31:07.730
he did have a uh barrett m82 yeah rifle in the
00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:09.650
rear of it yeah he had the 50 caliber rifle we
00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:13.809
we had that and he had a ruger mini 14 in there
00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:17.170
so it's just it's i was looking at some photos
00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:20.410
and it's crazy Like look this thing up and see
00:31:20.410 --> 00:31:26.430
how much work he did to it. Oh, yeah. My God.
00:31:27.609 --> 00:31:35.109
So prior to the actual rampage. He had scribbled
00:31:35.109 --> 00:31:37.630
out a list of complaints on the back of that
00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:40.670
old for sale sign, as well as some other scrap
00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:44.609
paper that he had laying around. And these ranged
00:31:44.609 --> 00:31:47.700
from. Things like the dough chef's unwillingness
00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:50.740
to pay the large sums that he requested, the
00:31:50.740 --> 00:31:54.539
sanitation district fining him, and that the
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:57.740
town had approved the plant construction. He
00:31:57.740 --> 00:32:00.200
was convinced that literally everybody was against
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.059
him and out to get him. The other writings suggested
00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:09.960
that God had stopped the plant from being constructed
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.750
in 92 and alluded to a belief. that god had caused
00:32:15.750 --> 00:32:17.910
the deaths of multiple people who had opposed
00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:24.470
him hey meyer further claimed yeah go ahead i
00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:26.910
was gonna say the more i've read this more we
00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:28.549
talk about this the more i truly think this is
00:32:28.549 --> 00:32:31.470
the first case of the machine spirit being real
00:32:31.470 --> 00:32:34.609
and taking possession of a person i really feel
00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:38.150
like that dozer has had a will since its inception
00:32:38.150 --> 00:32:42.309
that it wanted to kill it wanted to do this And
00:32:42.309 --> 00:32:46.190
it found an unwitting person to finally enact
00:32:46.190 --> 00:32:49.529
what it wanted. Oh, God. Because at the minute
00:32:49.529 --> 00:32:51.450
he bought that dozer, the guy became a maniac.
00:32:51.849 --> 00:32:56.869
Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. You know, so lesson
00:32:56.869 --> 00:32:59.210
learned. Don't be a weak -minded body and then
00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:01.130
buy a dozer because it will own you, apparently.
00:33:02.529 --> 00:33:05.549
I wonder if he had the chant to the Omnisia on
00:33:05.549 --> 00:33:10.809
there. It should have gone and seen a tech priest
00:33:10.809 --> 00:33:16.319
first. I swear. So Haymeyer further claimed that
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.960
I was always willing to be unreasonable or to
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.480
be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable.
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.819
Adding that sometimes reasonable men must do
00:33:25.819 --> 00:33:29.960
unreasonable things. And that is a quote that
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.900
has gained so much traction all across the internet.
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.359
And a lot of people have really kind of gotten
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.839
behind that because. Yeah, when you're pushed
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.519
to the brink and you're out of options, you really
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.980
have few options left. A lot of us can relate.
00:33:49.220 --> 00:33:54.160
Yeah. In addition to those writings, Haymeyer
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.380
recorded three audio tapes explaining his motivation
00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:01.240
for the upcoming attack. The tapes contained
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.240
two separate recordings on each side for a total
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.220
of six recordings, and he mailed these to his
00:34:07.220 --> 00:34:10.329
brother in South Dakota shortly before. stepping
00:34:10.329 --> 00:34:14.409
into the dozer. His brother turned the tapes
00:34:14.409 --> 00:34:16.949
over to the FBI, who in turn sent them to the
00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:19.530
Grand County Sheriff's Department. It's about
00:34:19.530 --> 00:34:23.050
two and a half hours worth of audio. The first
00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:26.929
recording was made on April 13th of 04, and the
00:34:26.929 --> 00:34:31.150
last one was made on May 22nd, just 13 days before
00:34:31.150 --> 00:34:35.469
the attack. An excerpt from one of the recordings
00:34:35.469 --> 00:34:41.349
reads, God built me for this job. It was God's
00:34:41.349 --> 00:34:44.630
plan that I not be married or have a family so
00:34:44.630 --> 00:34:46.570
that I could be in a position to carry out this
00:34:46.570 --> 00:34:50.309
attack. I think God will bless me to get the
00:34:50.309 --> 00:34:53.389
machine done, drive it, and do the stuff that
00:34:53.389 --> 00:34:57.429
I have to do, he says. God blessed me in advance
00:34:57.429 --> 00:35:00.489
for the task that I am about to undertake. It
00:35:00.489 --> 00:35:04.789
is my duty. God has asked me to do this. It's
00:35:04.789 --> 00:35:07.389
a cross that I am going to carry, and I'm carrying
00:35:07.389 --> 00:35:13.679
it in his name. crazy you know that sounds like
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.920
machine spirit talk to me just saying it absolutely
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:22.199
does um i am not a religious person um i i i
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.360
think that people who undertake religious followings
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.940
you know that's that's great that they have that
00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:33.639
crutch to lean on but when people get into this
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:39.360
level of you know the lord is is doing and acting
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.579
through me kind of speak they're off the rocker
00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:47.179
it's it's fucking beans so it's just plain fanaticism
00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:51.460
yeah it really is you know it it's it's beyond
00:35:51.460 --> 00:35:55.699
belief literally it's it's past that point of
00:35:55.699 --> 00:35:58.099
you know doing something to better yourself it's
00:35:58.099 --> 00:36:00.800
you you are you're a crazy person if you're doing
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.800
something like this yeah you know which again
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.900
i understand why he's doing it And I'm sure there's
00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:09.639
probably more details that are not out to the
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.139
public. So like, I'm willing to be sympathetic,
00:36:11.260 --> 00:36:15.119
but yeah, boy, any of those words also like not
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.599
for nothing, two and a half hours worth of tapes.
00:36:17.980 --> 00:36:21.280
The whole story took us 20 minutes. Like you,
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:22.820
there's a lot of personal stuff in there. It's
00:36:22.820 --> 00:36:25.179
like, dude, what were you ranting on about for
00:36:25.179 --> 00:36:28.900
two and a half, three hours? Yeah. Jesus. Yep.
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:36.389
Crazy. Yeah. So. So that kind of brings us up
00:36:36.389 --> 00:36:42.610
to the morning of June 4th. I would assume he
00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:44.710
shits, showers, shaves, and gets his last meal
00:36:44.710 --> 00:36:48.769
in. Emphasis on the shit because he did not have
00:36:48.769 --> 00:36:52.389
a toilet there. Emphasis on that one. I would
00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:54.130
think he did because he had a week's worth of
00:36:54.130 --> 00:36:56.929
food. So he probably had a bucket or something
00:36:56.929 --> 00:36:59.369
ready. Yeah, but the problem is you're stuck
00:36:59.369 --> 00:37:02.409
inside with the smelly coffin. Who cares? He
00:37:02.409 --> 00:37:06.519
had a gas mask too. There was a gas mask. Why
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.500
do I just think the most terrifying thing would
00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:11.699
be a naked man wearing a gas mask just covered
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.840
in his own feces. You open up the top of it and
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.059
that's what you see. I'm sorry. That is beyond
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:20.920
dystopian. Oh, that just gave me the greatest
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:26.400
image. With a welding apron. With a welding apron.
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:40.619
And some Crocs. Yep. Oh, so, yeah, that's going
00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:43.239
to stay there. So that brings us up to the morning.
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:48.559
He loads himself into the cockpit, uses the overhead
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.880
crane to lower the reinforced cabin section onto
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.360
the dozer, and seals himself inside for good.
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.079
From that point forward, he knew there was no
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.940
turning back, as he'd never included a way to
00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:05.630
leave the dozer after he was sealed in. He had
00:38:05.630 --> 00:38:09.429
essentially made a coffin with an engine. I really
00:38:09.429 --> 00:38:14.349
feel like that's a very solemn moment for him
00:38:14.349 --> 00:38:17.309
to experience when he got that thing locked into
00:38:17.309 --> 00:38:21.010
place and just that kind of like, fuck, this
00:38:21.010 --> 00:38:25.289
is it. For those that know Warhammer, he became
00:38:25.289 --> 00:38:27.090
the first Dreadnought. I knew you were going
00:38:27.090 --> 00:38:31.550
to bring up that reference. Yep. He's the first.
00:38:31.650 --> 00:38:35.869
He was the first. He was number one. We have
00:38:35.869 --> 00:38:37.969
to make a He -Meyer dreadnought now for Warhammer
00:38:37.969 --> 00:38:41.530
players. Schmitty, Warvin, Jaegerman, He -Meyer.
00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:48.710
You know? So after he's all sealed in, snuggled
00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:53.090
into a seat and ready to go, he gets his startup
00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:56.090
checks all done, and then he bursts out the side
00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:58.070
of the building that he had been calling home.
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:03.239
and once worked from. His first stop, right next
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.179
door, Mountain Park Concrete, owned by the Dochefs.
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.420
You can take this part. Absolutely. So he smashes
00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:17.079
through the plant. Cody Dochef attempts to fire
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.960
a sidearm at the dozer, as he initially believed
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.159
the dozer was remote -controlled, to no avail,
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.539
obviously. He tried to climb the dozer to gain
00:39:24.539 --> 00:39:26.739
access to the control cabin, allegedly finding
00:39:26.739 --> 00:39:28.760
the exterior to have been coated with axle grease.
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.099
Which, by the way, for anybody that's not messed
00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:36.920
with axle grease, this guy's an asshole for doing
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.500
that. That's a lot of effort. That's a lot of
00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:42.840
time. That's hilarious. You got to give it to
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.719
him, though. He had countermeasures on countermeasures.
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.079
Dude, he's the most committed man. That's the
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.420
thing. This guy spent 18 months. you know oh
00:39:52.420 --> 00:39:55.500
yeah figuring this out and by the way i'm very
00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:57.599
surprised during those 18 months that nobody
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.139
knew the police department he was surprised like
00:40:00.139 --> 00:40:05.619
nobody checked in on this guy yeah you know because
00:40:05.619 --> 00:40:09.639
they and anyways i just think it's funny uh he
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:11.619
then grabs a front -end loader to fight back
00:40:11.619 --> 00:40:15.079
which let's stop and think about this for a second
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.820
for anybody that knows anything about physics
00:40:16.820 --> 00:40:21.030
a front -end loader mate 10 tons at the max,
00:40:21.090 --> 00:40:24.769
maybe 20 tons of really big one. The Komatsu
00:40:24.769 --> 00:40:27.730
unmodified weighs 50, and it has big -ass tracks.
00:40:28.670 --> 00:40:31.250
It's literally big enough to move tanks around.
00:40:31.769 --> 00:40:33.969
You think a front -end loader is going to do
00:40:33.969 --> 00:40:38.809
anything to this? I mean, in a moment of desperation,
00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:41.989
I mean, you're going to do anything. dude you
00:40:41.989 --> 00:40:45.250
brought a pez dispenser to a katana fight like
00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:48.909
you're not gonna do anything that's like i appreciate
00:40:48.909 --> 00:40:50.670
the effort but now he just destroys another piece
00:40:50.670 --> 00:40:54.590
of equipment effectively you know uh marvin rams
00:40:54.590 --> 00:40:57.230
the loader and then later fire shots at the loader
00:40:57.230 --> 00:40:59.510
according to another employee try railing the
00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:03.750
treads with a large piece of steel again there's
00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:05.170
not much you could put in there to stop those
00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:07.690
treads especially if you look at some of the
00:41:07.690 --> 00:41:11.820
photos of it i mean he covers up a part of the
00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:14.199
track not all of it if it does cover up a part
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.780
of it but the thing is with the way that track
00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.320
is designed it's designed to break rocks and
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.039
whatnot that get into it so would not surprise
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.219
me if even bit straight bits of steel yeah wouldn't
00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:28.539
really do anything did none of that no no the
00:41:28.539 --> 00:41:30.900
kill loader did the kill daughter does i can't
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:33.840
english the kill dozer killed kill daughter and
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.599
that up does not hesitate and crumbles it like
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:40.000
a toy Law enforcement arrives quickly. Deputies
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:41.980
and state troopers open fire hundreds of rounds,
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.139
even explosives. Nothing penetrates the armor.
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.739
Marvin fires back through gun ports and even
00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:49.219
charges their positions. One trooper barely escapes
00:41:49.219 --> 00:41:52.039
being crushed. And again, I don't blame them
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.380
for firing, but for anyone that looks up the
00:41:54.380 --> 00:41:57.840
photos, I mean, it's thick steel with concrete.
00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:02.000
There's no sidearm that you're carrying that's
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.340
going to get through that. I mean, maybe if you
00:42:03.340 --> 00:42:06.360
get... 50 BMG through the same spot several times,
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:09.539
but even then, I highly doubt it. I would also
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:14.420
like to point out, he had three inches of ballistic
00:42:14.420 --> 00:42:21.199
polycarbonate over cameras. He had an air system
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.659
to blow off dust to keep the lenses cleared.
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.699
He thought shit out. He wasn't going to be stopped
00:42:30.699 --> 00:42:34.000
by a little bit of dust or not being able to
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:39.059
see so it was really a matter of they had to
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:43.500
wait till he was done at that point that was
00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:46.780
the mindset at least i mean the only way they
00:42:46.780 --> 00:42:48.500
could have got him is if they had some sort of
00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:51.679
c4 even tannerite to knock the track off i don't
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.539
think even that would have worked because he
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:57.719
had cameras all around he would have seen him
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.579
coming he had the gun ports i mean anyone trying
00:43:01.579 --> 00:43:04.670
to run up on him This is why you use the old
00:43:04.670 --> 00:43:06.250
World War II method. If you get the... The sticky
00:43:06.250 --> 00:43:08.730
bomb. The steel hand... Yeah, exactly. You know,
00:43:08.750 --> 00:43:11.650
the old... The old Stephen Private Ryan, you
00:43:11.650 --> 00:43:15.289
know. But I know local law enforcement... The
00:43:15.289 --> 00:43:17.889
sock of doom. It's not even a teenager sock.
00:43:20.269 --> 00:43:29.429
The sock of petulance. I guess the Nurgle sock.
00:43:29.869 --> 00:43:33.480
Anyways. Sorry, a lot of Warhammer references
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:38.940
today. But I know local law enforcement, they
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:41.079
wouldn't carry something to do with this, especially
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.800
a little town like that. I mean, a lot of state
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.039
law enforcement wouldn't even have it. They'd
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.400
have to go to National Guard. Even then, I don't
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.039
know if they'd have it. We'll get into that here
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:55.760
in just a second. Exactly. But anyways, I continue
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.159
going. Okay, I'll take the one after this. Okay,
00:43:59.179 --> 00:44:01.909
cool. He methodically hits his targets, starts
00:44:01.909 --> 00:44:03.989
the town hall, then the former mayor's house,
00:44:04.150 --> 00:44:06.530
the local newspaper office, which I criticized
00:44:06.530 --> 00:44:09.369
him publicly, and other buildings tied to his
00:44:09.369 --> 00:44:12.150
grievances. There were 13 structures total, many
00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:14.349
occupied until minutes or even seconds before
00:44:14.349 --> 00:44:18.090
the business district of the town is destroyed.
00:44:18.710 --> 00:44:24.469
Completely. So for two hours and seven minutes,
00:44:24.789 --> 00:44:28.449
the killdozer dominates Granby. The cops are
00:44:28.449 --> 00:44:32.550
helpless. And during this time, the then Governor
00:44:32.550 --> 00:44:36.070
Bill Owens was being fed information and was
00:44:36.070 --> 00:44:40.849
weighing his options. Now, it was reported that
00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:44.190
at one point, he considered authorizing the Colorado
00:44:44.190 --> 00:44:47.289
National Guard to use either an Apache attack
00:44:47.289 --> 00:44:51.030
helicopter equipped with a Hellfire missile or
00:44:51.030 --> 00:44:54.429
a two -man fire team with a Javelin anti -tank
00:44:54.429 --> 00:45:00.809
missile system to destroy the Dozer. Honestly,
00:45:00.809 --> 00:45:04.289
I'm okay with that. I get it. You know, I mean,
00:45:04.309 --> 00:45:07.650
you do what you got to do. The thing is, if the
00:45:07.650 --> 00:45:13.590
guy is running and legality aside, he is operating
00:45:13.590 --> 00:45:18.650
a tank. Yes. All 61 tons of it. Yes. And destroying
00:45:18.650 --> 00:45:21.550
the town. I feel like no matter who it is, you
00:45:21.550 --> 00:45:23.610
kind of have the right to blow it up. Especially
00:45:23.610 --> 00:45:25.869
if you've tried all reasonable avenues of getting
00:45:25.869 --> 00:45:29.599
them to stop. It's like. you you've picked your
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.039
battle here here's a free hellfire yeah and you
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.440
know and i hate to say i hate to be this this
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.000
person say it that's a lot cheaper than putting
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.420
them in jail for 20 30 years those options usually
00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:42.739
are that's that's the bad part you know i hate
00:45:42.739 --> 00:45:44.639
to say it but yeah i mean just just going by
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:48.079
weight class alone the vehicle well more than
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:51.300
qualified as a tank and especially with the destruction
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:54.159
that it was doing so although to be fair you
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.789
wouldn't have needed a hellfire though yeah The
00:45:56.789 --> 00:45:59.409
thing is, the National Guard, they should have
00:45:59.409 --> 00:46:02.210
had a law, like anti -tank weapon, one of those.
00:46:02.650 --> 00:46:05.130
Those cost like a couple thousand, maybe five
00:46:05.130 --> 00:46:08.690
grand a shoot. Aim at the engine bay. Well, that
00:46:08.690 --> 00:46:11.510
was well protected too. Yeah, but that would
00:46:11.510 --> 00:46:13.849
still go right through that. Those are meant
00:46:13.849 --> 00:46:18.150
to destroy like T -80s and T -72s. I mean, I
00:46:18.150 --> 00:46:22.269
don't think the concrete, while it's effectively
00:46:22.269 --> 00:46:25.340
spaced armor. I don't think it would have defeated
00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:29.500
something that heavy. But who knows? Who knows?
00:46:29.539 --> 00:46:32.619
Maybe I'm wrong. Well, get a hold of the other
00:46:32.619 --> 00:46:34.579
dude that's getting the dozer and have him do
00:46:34.579 --> 00:46:38.579
that test. Well, we create it. Yes. We'll build
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:44.699
a small town. Yep. So as of late or as late as
00:46:44.699 --> 00:46:49.400
2011, Governor Owens staff vehemently denied
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.320
considering such courses of action. But members
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.239
of the state patrol, however, claim that to the
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.920
contrary, the governor did consider authorizing
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.860
an attack, but ultimately decided against it
00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:03.619
due to the potential for collateral damage of
00:47:03.619 --> 00:47:06.179
a missile strike in the heart of Granby being
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:08.519
significantly higher than what Haymire could
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.539
have caused with his bulldozer. I disagree with
00:47:11.539 --> 00:47:15.239
that. I also disagree. He clearly does not know
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:22.000
the precision of a hellfire. Yeah. So. So shortly
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:26.300
thereafter, Marvin finally attacked the Gamble's
00:47:26.300 --> 00:47:29.440
hardware store, and this is where the rampage
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.820
would come to a very sad end. He targeted it
00:47:33.820 --> 00:47:36.019
due to the owner's involvement in the hearings
00:47:36.019 --> 00:47:40.440
about the batch plant. So as the bulldozer slowly
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.579
plows through the building, a civilian -operated
00:47:43.579 --> 00:47:46.039
vehicle was maneuvered onto the sidewalk behind
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.420
his path, blocking him from retreating back onto
00:47:49.420 --> 00:47:52.250
the street. after which the civilian operator
00:47:52.250 --> 00:47:56.929
exited the vehicle and fled to safety. Forced
00:47:56.929 --> 00:47:59.429
with the only option to continue as forward and
00:47:59.429 --> 00:48:02.389
onward and unaware of a small basement on the
00:48:02.389 --> 00:48:06.030
property, Marvin was lured into driving into
00:48:06.030 --> 00:48:08.309
the building as a means to hopefully pass through
00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:11.190
it, drive through the other side and continue
00:48:11.190 --> 00:48:14.789
his attack. However, the tread of the machine
00:48:14.789 --> 00:48:17.130
slipped into the basement due to its immense
00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:20.250
weight. essentially stopping his attack dead
00:48:20.250 --> 00:48:24.469
in the water. The radiator had also been damaged
00:48:24.469 --> 00:48:27.909
due to all the fire that he was taking. The engine
00:48:27.909 --> 00:48:33.289
was leaking before the fall, and as such, it
00:48:33.289 --> 00:48:35.670
was noted that even if Heymeyer had been able
00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:38.989
to free himself, the dozer would not have been
00:48:38.989 --> 00:48:47.250
able to operate for much longer. So... At around
00:48:47.250 --> 00:48:51.230
4 .30 p .m., after getting hung up and stuck
00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:55.449
in that hardware store, realizing that his rampage
00:48:55.449 --> 00:48:59.949
had come to an early end, Omar realizes that
00:48:59.949 --> 00:49:03.829
the end has come. And while his final moments
00:49:03.829 --> 00:49:07.030
are not exactly known, and he did not record
00:49:07.030 --> 00:49:10.750
anything else while he was in the cabin, it is
00:49:10.750 --> 00:49:14.289
known that a single gunshot inside the cab was
00:49:14.289 --> 00:49:17.989
finally heard and ended the event, as Marv made
00:49:17.989 --> 00:49:23.250
the decision to take his own life. After that
00:49:23.250 --> 00:49:27.269
was confirmed, it takes another 12 hours for
00:49:27.269 --> 00:49:31.349
authorities to get into the cabin of the Killdozer,
00:49:31.409 --> 00:49:36.889
well into the morning of June 5th. They tried
00:49:36.889 --> 00:49:39.449
everything to get into that thing. They finally
00:49:39.449 --> 00:49:42.019
had to cut through it. using different torches
00:49:42.019 --> 00:49:47.639
to recover his body. At that point, the town
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.860
was just in absolute shock. He was the only fatality
00:49:51.860 --> 00:49:56.139
in all this. But the damage was well into the
00:49:56.139 --> 00:50:00.679
millions. There were insurance battles and different
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.800
rebuilding efforts. The bulldozer itself was
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.579
eventually scrapped to prevent inspiration to
00:50:07.579 --> 00:50:14.489
supporters. And that was at the behest, really,
00:50:14.710 --> 00:50:18.429
because there was some kickback. There were some
00:50:18.429 --> 00:50:21.550
surprise discussions from residents about turning
00:50:21.550 --> 00:50:27.449
it into a tourist attraction. As it is, Granby
00:50:27.449 --> 00:50:30.789
moves on, and the story explodes nationally.
00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:34.929
Some people hail Marvin as a folk hero against
00:50:34.929 --> 00:50:39.010
corrupt bureaucracy. Others... See him as a dangerous
00:50:39.010 --> 00:50:42.170
man who tried to kill and destroy people's lives
00:50:42.170 --> 00:50:46.510
and their work. Investigations confirm his targeted
00:50:46.510 --> 00:50:49.010
list, but also his willingness to use lethal
00:50:49.010 --> 00:50:56.289
force. Marvin Haymeyer's story is a cautionary
00:50:56.289 --> 00:50:59.730
tale about what happens when someone feels completely
00:50:59.730 --> 00:51:03.289
backed into a corner by the system, real or perceived.
00:51:04.190 --> 00:51:07.179
He tried the legal route for years. But in the
00:51:07.179 --> 00:51:11.260
end, his unreasonable thing crossed into violence
00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:17.719
that could have killed many. And with that, that
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:24.960
is the end of the Killdozer story. So thoughts,
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.300
anything else you wanted to add, Gibbs? I think
00:51:29.300 --> 00:51:30.860
dealing with local government, we've all been
00:51:30.860 --> 00:51:32.619
there on some days where we all wish we had our
00:51:32.619 --> 00:51:36.329
own personal kabatsu. oh yeah i get there i've
00:51:36.329 --> 00:51:42.610
been there uh but man just it's it's one of those
00:51:42.610 --> 00:51:44.969
things that bureaucracy sometimes goes too far
00:51:44.969 --> 00:51:48.909
and i understand why he did it i don't agree
00:51:48.909 --> 00:51:53.710
with it right but i think from a purely taking
00:51:53.710 --> 00:51:57.469
the politics and morality aside of it in a weird
00:51:57.469 --> 00:52:01.250
way it's just not cool but it's it's interesting
00:52:01.250 --> 00:52:04.940
that a guy said it i'll do it myself yeah and
00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:07.599
did all that like in an engineering aspect i
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.500
find it very interesting i don't agree with what
00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:10.840
happened i'm trying to make sure people understand
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.059
i don't think people should go and do it but
00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:17.000
it's cool in a way to be like that guy actually
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.840
did it because we've all been there in traffic
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.000
pissed off where i thought man if i could just
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.599
fucking run over all these fucking people are
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.099
bullshit like we've all been there but the guy
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:29.219
spent 18 months what i usually experience and
00:52:29.219 --> 00:52:32.400
like Nine to 15 seconds. And then I go, okay,
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.139
this guy said, I'm going to, I'm going to live
00:52:35.139 --> 00:52:37.699
that for the next 18 to 20 months. Right. And
00:52:37.699 --> 00:52:42.360
do that. And it's like, like it's crazy. So the,
00:52:42.460 --> 00:52:44.519
the whole, you know, modifying a dozer thing.
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.559
I kind of, I can relate to him on one thing,
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.860
having been an EMT for a while. I do think that
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:55.360
emergency vehicles should have a cow plow or
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.500
something on the front of their vehicles to get
00:52:57.500 --> 00:53:00.639
the idiots out of the way. Like the trains have
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.380
to move the cars out of the way from in front
00:53:03.380 --> 00:53:05.099
of them. Because not enough people get out of
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:10.940
the way. That's true. Like you said, there's
00:53:10.940 --> 00:53:14.780
a lot of people that can relate to his small
00:53:14.780 --> 00:53:19.659
man fighting back the man and resisting government
00:53:19.659 --> 00:53:25.230
overreach and whatnot. But at the end of the
00:53:25.230 --> 00:53:30.170
day, as much as, you know, yeah, I've got Killdozer
00:53:30.170 --> 00:53:32.710
stuff all over my desk and my house and everything.
00:53:32.829 --> 00:53:37.969
And yeah, there's a lot of symbolism. Is that
00:53:37.969 --> 00:53:40.429
the right word? Or is it symbology? It's symbolism.
00:53:40.670 --> 00:53:46.889
Symbolism. That represents a lot of what happened.
00:53:46.949 --> 00:53:50.590
But he would have probably killed people if they
00:53:50.590 --> 00:53:55.440
were there. I don't think it was out of his realm
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:00.579
at that point or the mindset he was in. But the
00:54:00.579 --> 00:54:02.820
fact that nobody else was hurt, I think there
00:54:02.820 --> 00:54:05.480
was one other person that was hurt, but they
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.420
were hurt by debris that was falling. They had
00:54:08.420 --> 00:54:10.139
gone back into a building that he had already
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:12.480
attacked, and they were trying to recover some
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.360
personal property. After being told not to go
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.980
in, they went in anyways, and they were hurt
00:54:16.980 --> 00:54:19.440
by a piece of falling debris. And I think that
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.480
was the only other major injury in the entire
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:27.320
event, which that's pretty fucking awesome, to
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.639
be honest. That's very lucky. Yeah. Everybody
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:35.159
got lucky that he's the only fatality. I will
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.900
say this on kudos to the law enforcement system.
00:54:39.059 --> 00:54:42.840
They were able to initiate a reverse 911 to the
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:49.719
entire town of Granby. That was something that
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.960
was not well known or understood how to do back
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:56.380
then. That's a good point. I didn't think about
00:54:56.380 --> 00:55:02.360
that. Yeah. So. I mean, they did a good job too
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.599
with like nobody getting hurt, getting people
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.599
out of there, making people aware. Granted, not
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.880
like it's a fast vehicle, but still. Right. You
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.920
know. Kind of reminds you of that scene from
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.579
Austin Powers where the guy's about to get run
00:55:15.579 --> 00:55:19.289
over by the slow mobile. He just stands there
00:55:19.289 --> 00:55:22.250
and thinks about it for two minutes. All I think
00:55:22.250 --> 00:55:24.030
about is Deadpool. He's going to be run over
00:55:24.030 --> 00:55:29.429
by a Zamboni. That is what is happening. It's
00:55:29.429 --> 00:55:32.829
something that I feel like a lot of guys in a
00:55:32.829 --> 00:55:35.349
small way can relate to with this and the amount
00:55:35.349 --> 00:55:38.449
of engineering and time. I think it's fascinating,
00:55:38.650 --> 00:55:44.510
but don't go doing this, kids. Don't be doing
00:55:44.510 --> 00:55:47.599
this kind of stuff. stay in school stay in school
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.980
be a law -abiding citizen and uh when the government
00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:52.539
doesn't work vote people out of office yes um
00:55:52.539 --> 00:55:56.260
you know i i will stress that also if you move
00:55:56.260 --> 00:55:59.019
to a small town where you have that kind of everybody
00:55:59.019 --> 00:56:01.980
knows everybody's city council move just just
00:56:01.980 --> 00:56:05.000
move you don't have to go on a rampage just move
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:09.239
or or you just be better at their game than them
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:15.190
become mr popular And slowly work and find your
00:56:15.190 --> 00:56:18.449
way to make things happen. But small -town politics
00:56:18.449 --> 00:56:22.449
will always get you. I would also encourage you
00:56:22.449 --> 00:56:27.590
to watch the show Better Call Saul. That's a
00:56:27.590 --> 00:56:31.010
great show. He's very good at fighting back against
00:56:31.010 --> 00:56:33.829
bureaucracy in a lot of those episodes. Comes
00:56:33.829 --> 00:56:37.750
up with some very, very snarky ways to combat
00:56:37.750 --> 00:56:41.659
some of that bureaucracy. The selling of the
00:56:41.659 --> 00:56:45.360
house and trying to build? Yep. That's a great...
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.460
What was it? A couple episodes? Yeah. It lasted
00:56:49.460 --> 00:56:53.599
two or three episodes, I think. Yeah. So, I mean,
00:56:53.659 --> 00:56:55.980
it's... The things you can do with smoke detectors
00:56:55.980 --> 00:57:03.099
are amazing. Yeah. Digging for contemporary pottery.
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:05.880
Uh -huh. And trying to... Oh, we found some old
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:07.340
pottery here. They're not going to dig up the
00:57:07.340 --> 00:57:13.650
whole site. But there are other ways. And even
00:57:13.650 --> 00:57:15.710
as somebody like me that sometimes I sit there
00:57:15.710 --> 00:57:18.809
and look at my tractor and then look at my local
00:57:18.809 --> 00:57:21.210
government and I stare at my tractor and I hear
00:57:21.210 --> 00:57:28.329
the voices. No, no, no, no. I get it. I get it.
00:57:28.809 --> 00:57:32.309
But it's not the way to do it. Or at least you
00:57:32.309 --> 00:57:35.519
know if you are going to do it. stay on a road
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:36.860
where it's not gonna collapse underneath you
00:57:36.860 --> 00:57:39.320
and don't have your radiator exposed yes that
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.500
is such like that is such like like like a if
00:57:42.500 --> 00:57:44.380
you had ever been at a double ocean derby or
00:57:44.380 --> 00:57:46.099
ever gone racing you would know that's like the
00:57:46.099 --> 00:57:50.099
most vulnerable part yep if you're gonna reinforce
00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:53.820
anything it's that yep you know have a secondary
00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:56.500
radiator yeah don't don't use hoses like that
00:57:56.500 --> 00:58:01.300
i don't know no but but hey i just came it took
00:58:01.300 --> 00:58:05.440
him 12 hours to get in there To get it in where?
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:09.019
Oh, to cut it open? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he sealed
00:58:09.019 --> 00:58:13.519
himself in there good. Like, I couldn't find
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.539
anything on it, but I feel like he probably welded
00:58:16.539 --> 00:58:19.900
it shut. I wonder if it's that layer of concrete
00:58:19.900 --> 00:58:22.260
because you can't just torch through it. Oh,
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:23.800
probably. They must have had to torch through
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.699
the top layer and then get a jackhammer. Well,
00:58:26.780 --> 00:58:29.679
a shock hammer. And then get through that and
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.440
then torch the underneath layer. Yeah. That was
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.320
taking forever. Oh, my God. And plus the sheer
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:39.000
weight of it. Yeah, true. I mean, he had to use
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.840
the overhead crane to get it on there. So, I
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:45.559
mean, God. Good Lord. But no, when it comes to
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.780
trying to fight back against like small town
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:53.239
bureaucracy and stuff, I think I want to just
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.860
make like very subtle, maybe like note cards,
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.789
like professional, like. nice handwriting or
00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:03.809
whatnot, like printed type cards. So they can't
00:59:03.809 --> 00:59:06.690
trace it back to me. And then just leave it in
00:59:06.690 --> 00:59:08.969
people's mailboxes and remind them that knees
00:59:08.969 --> 00:59:19.750
are a privilege, not a right. Yeah, I can't relate.
00:59:19.909 --> 00:59:22.849
I, I think that that would drive the point home
00:59:22.849 --> 00:59:34.070
well enough, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:37.170 --> 00:59:39.349
Anyways, hey, live show's coming up here in a
00:59:39.349 --> 00:59:43.929
couple months and you can come and hang out with
00:59:43.929 --> 00:59:46.949
us and throw shit at us while we're on stage
00:59:46.949 --> 00:59:50.050
and then come and talk to us afterwards. And
00:59:50.050 --> 00:59:52.469
we'll put stuff down your pants in response.
00:59:53.449 --> 00:59:59.349
Maybe give us a hand. No, no, no, no, no. That's
00:59:59.349 --> 01:00:04.469
how you catch a charge. Yeah. What we're going
01:00:04.469 --> 01:00:06.130
to do is we're going to have a mat at the top
01:00:06.130 --> 01:00:08.269
of the stairs. It says beyond this point, it's
01:00:08.269 --> 01:00:15.130
consensual. Fair. Fair. Yep. I'm going to have
01:00:15.130 --> 01:00:17.730
to bring that as a flag. I need it for my front
01:00:17.730 --> 01:00:22.230
door. A banner. Yeah. We need several of them
01:00:22.230 --> 01:00:30.980
for your house. You know? Oh, shit. But, yeah,
01:00:31.099 --> 01:00:35.679
so live show's coming up. Next week, we hope
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.559
we have Gibbles back. Anything else of note?
01:00:41.219 --> 01:00:43.639
um no just you know follow us on social media
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.300
you know on you know all the place between twitch
01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:51.179
youtube you know um tick tock instagram oh i
01:00:51.179 --> 01:00:53.079
forgot we have a tick tock i don't i don't do
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:55.840
tick tock i i really don't that much either i
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.260
gotta start doing that again well yeah life has
01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:00.599
been lifing and we're trying to establish a social
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media schedule but that's a it's a whole nother
01:01:02.900 --> 01:01:05.940
thing yeah we're working on it it's on the to
01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:09.019
-do list yeah and also uh we apologize about
01:01:09.019 --> 01:01:11.699
the whole our videos suddenly stopped showing
01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:17.500
up on YouTube. That's just a symptom of we're
01:01:17.500 --> 01:01:21.059
all busy adults and not all of us have the time
01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:24.420
to do the videos at this point anymore. So we're
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:26.440
going to try to get back onto them if we can,
01:01:26.539 --> 01:01:30.000
but if they're not there, we're sorry, but you've
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.380
still at least got the audio. The Twitch streams
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do stay up for a week. So if you want to pop
01:01:35.380 --> 01:01:38.519
over to Twitch and watch it there, you can do
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:44.059
that. So that's a thing. Oh, yeah. Until we can
01:01:44.059 --> 01:01:47.619
at least hit our 50 sub count or 50 followers.
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We're at 21 on Twitch. Yeah. So if you want to
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come over to Twitch and follow us there and help
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us get to our follower count, that would be awesome.
01:01:56.420 --> 01:01:59.179
At some point, we'll have the videos again. It's
01:01:59.179 --> 01:02:02.179
just... We can't make more time. Life be life
01:02:02.179 --> 01:02:06.690
for all three of us. Unfortunately, no. but with,
01:02:06.789 --> 01:02:09.090
with my new job, hopefully starting soon with
01:02:09.090 --> 01:02:10.809
the new work schedule, I'll have three days off
01:02:10.809 --> 01:02:15.349
a week. Hell yeah. So that will make, make a
01:02:15.349 --> 01:02:18.829
big difference. Yes. And that's a working four
01:02:18.829 --> 01:02:21.789
tens. Oh yeah. It's glorious, glorious schedule.
01:02:22.630 --> 01:02:25.030
Yes. So kind of sucks. I have a mandatory Saturday
01:02:25.030 --> 01:02:26.610
work day, but that's a, you know, it is what
01:02:26.610 --> 01:02:29.150
it is. You know, you take what you can get. Yeah.
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At least it's not only fans and you're not in
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the baby pool full of mayonnaise. Right. Yeah,
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I know. That would be the low point in my life.
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I'd be sitting there disgusted looking at a jar
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of mayonnaise going, wow, this is it. Yep. That's
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the problem that not even drugs can solve. You'd
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probably take the drugs over the mayonnaise pool.
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Honestly, kind of, because mayonnaise is... That's
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kind of bad. Oh, man. All right, well... Thank
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you for hanging out with us. Thank you for listening.
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And we'll hopefully have a good show for you
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next week. We'll see you then. And we love you
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Pip. Here with me tonight is my co -host, Gibbs.
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What? Gibbles is dealing with some family stuff,
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so we are going to have our friend Mansley standing
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in for him tonight. And tonight we're going to
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talk about one of American history's more infamous
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events, June the 4th of 2004. The day of Marvin
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Haymeyer's infamous Killdozer incident. We all
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like to remember that when local government tried
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to fuck you, you fucked them right back. Be ungovernable.
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He's really become a big meme over the last probably
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10 years or so. He really has. But also, before
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we get too far into this, I would like to mention
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my middle son, my 14 -year -old, taught me a
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new word this afternoon. Queef nugget. And it
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was used in the context of y 'all are queef nuggets
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and you're going to get eaten. I don't know what's
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wrong with this generation, but I was both worried
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and proud of him. I generally don't know. I'm
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just... Nope, I'm not going to address it. Nope,
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I'm going to move on. We're going to move on
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with my day. We're going to skip past that part.
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Because every question I have to ask, I don't
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want the answer to. So we're going to move on
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from that one. I got a DNA test not needed with
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that one. No, not at all. Good lord. You know
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what, though? I will say, if he ever goes in
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the military, he'd be an excellent drill instructor.
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Oh, most likely, yeah. Because he would be the
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guy that can come up with the best insults with
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a straight face. 100%, yes. So, The Killdozer.
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Most people are familiar with The Killdozer,
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but if you're not, this is going to be an episode
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that is a little bit different than the majority
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of ours. This is going to be more of a storytelling
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episode because it's a historical kind of deal.
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This happened 22 years ago. It's odd that it
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was that long ago, and it still feels kind of
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like yesterday almost. But, you know, it is what
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it is. So we'll go back and give you some backstory.
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Marvin Haymeyer, or Haymeyer, it depends on how
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you want to pronounce it, was a man born in 51
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on a dairy farm in South Dakota. Joined the Air
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Force, and once he got out of the Air Force,
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he settled in the Granby area in 1990 after spending
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the remainder of the 70s and most of the 80s
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in Boulder. The friends that he made would describe
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him as an extremely skilled welder and a guy
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who would bend over backwards to help people.
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There was, however, another side to this man.
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Reports of a very short and hot temper. There
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were reports of him even getting into disputes
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and making threats when a customer dispute resulted
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in an incident over a muffler charge. So there's
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a little bit of backstory. We're not going to
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spend a ton on that because that's not what y
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'all are here for. So what made Marvin snap?
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In 1992, he purchased two acres of land for $42
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,000 at an auction with plans to lease the property
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to a friend who intended to build an auto repair
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shop on the site. Present at said auction was
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one Cody Docheff. The Docheff family had previously
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owned this property, and as an aside, they...
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owned a concrete factory that was right next
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to where this property was at. Heymeyer claimed
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that Docheff had berated him for several minutes
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out of anger after this auction was over because
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he was bidding against him for this property.
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Allegedly, the bidding had started nice and low,
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and Heymeyer had bid on it kind of out of nowhere.
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He was new to the town. No one knew where he
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was or who he was. And Cody Docheff got very
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upset that this seeming nobody had bought the
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property out from under him, more or less. So
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he was pretty pissed off about it. So this property
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had a very rudimentary sewage storage solution
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in the form of a buried cement mixer left by
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the previous owners. The cost to update the sewer
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system would be nearly double the $42 ,000 that
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Haymeyer had paid for the property. So this sewage
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system is going to be kind of the bane and the
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backbone of the entire situation when it comes
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to this property. City officials told Marvin
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that putting in a septic tank was a much less
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expensive alternative. But he rejected both options
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and said that the government not paying for the
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sewage line hookup was extortion by government
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fiat. Now, whether you agree with that or not,
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I don't know, but it is what it is. You've got
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to have somewhere for the poop to go. I'm just
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surprised that the previous owners were allowed
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to put a concrete mixer in the ground as a sewage
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solution. That already wouldn't meet up to any
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codes, even back then. No. It almost seems like
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a failure of local government to say, hey, buddy,
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look, that can't happen. Well, if you remember,
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the Docheffs said that they had previously owned
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it. So that tells you right there what was going
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on. Now, something to keep in mind. This area,
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Granby, was a very small town. And it was one
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of those towns where everybody knew everybody.
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Everybody was kind of buddy -buddy with everybody.
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Everybody grew up together. So the mayor knew
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the sheriff, knew the city council, and they
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all kind of worked together and were all in on
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the same things. So it was a very big issue,
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kind of like Ruby Ridge, where a little bit of
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corruption goes a long way. So this situation
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really kind of goes to show you that when a group
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of people, who are hell -bent on really sticking
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to their guns for the wrong reasons, they can
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and will get away with it. Again, like Ruby Ridge.
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Oh, yeah. So, despite the setbacks, he did not
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withdraw his annexation request and subsequently
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became part of the sewer district. So, Marvin's
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all set up, ready to go and get everything done.
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But in 1993, Haymeyer had abandoned the plans
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to rent the property to the friend and instead
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decided to open his own muffler shop. Now, during
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his time in the 70s and 80s, that's kind of what
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he did was he worked at auto shops and was repairing
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mufflers. He became known as Marv the Muffler
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Man. I mean, that was a big thing back in those
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times. A lot of people would kind of go around
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and just throw a fence pipe on their car as a
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makeshift muffler with no catalytic converter.
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I once had a car where that was what the muffler
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was, a straight shot exhaust pipe with no catalytic
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converter. It was a fence post. That's back in
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the glorious days before emissions, before everything
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else. Back when we do that stuff, because let
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me tell you, back at the old shop, I wish. I
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could have just fixed exhaust that easily. It
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was always, I got to buy a new cat and it's got
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to be the right one for the right manufacturer.
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Do this and that and up to specs. Oh yeah. God
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back then. It must've been so great. Just be
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like, yeah, 20, 30 bucks. I'll just put a new
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piece of pipe call it a day. Yep. Oh yeah. So
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jealous. So according to Marvin, his friend had
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lost interest in the property around sometime
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in April of 92 because of oil spills and other
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environmental issues. So Gibbs, you want to take
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this next section here for a little bit? Yeah,
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absolutely. In 1997, the Docheff family planned
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to expand their business to include a concrete
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batch plant and were buying up the land around
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their current lot, hoping to lease the remaining
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23 parcels to smaller manufacturers. They were
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informed by the town planning commission they
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needed a planned development overlay district
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permit to construct the plant as part of their
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Mountain Park concrete development. The commission
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also suggested that the dosha family ask if they
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could purchase he Myers plot to keep the plant
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away from the hotels and business on route 40.
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He Meyer then asked for $250 ,000 for his property.
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Mind you, he did pay 40 ,000 for it or 42. So
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that's a bit of a markup there. That's a reasonable,
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but fair. I mean, clearly if, if the other family's
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buying up 40 something acres for 23 separate
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or 29 separate, whatever. you know sub -businesses
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or plots they clearly have the money he later
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claimed that he had a lot reappraised and asked
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for additional 125 all right now you're asked
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a lot the dough chefs managed to collect 350
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000 but according to susan uh he might again
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upped his asking price claiming he had the property
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reappraised again at a higher value this time
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asking for 450 i this is where i'm not saying
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I'm not saying he deserved to have all this happen
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to him, but I mean, come on, dude. I read you.
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It was two 50. Now you're asking for four 50.
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Yeah. I'm not saying it's extortion, but it's
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clearly like, dude, you're playing a game here,
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especially when you had bought it less than a
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decade before for 42. Yeah. So I, I think I made
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a small oopsie in the notes here. Yeah. There
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were some issues that had gone on. The, the dough
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shifts were supposed to allow a connection to
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happen. on their part of the land that Haymeyer
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did not get to have happen because of some issues
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later in the notes. Oh, okay. But, but so this
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is, that's happening at the same time though.
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Yeah. Right around there. Okay. So he's kind
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of trying to raise the money to kind of get back
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at them. Okay. So, yeah, but they, they had gotten
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a part. He even, And Cody Docheff had even offered
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to sell a portion of the land that he would need
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to get the connection made. And I think we talked
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about that a little bit later, but at some point
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they were just trying to buy the whole thing
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back and just get rid of him and get the headache
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off. So that's a lot of where this, this part
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came in. But yeah, I think that's fine. Well,
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either way, I think three 50. To be honest, especially
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back then. Oh, yeah. That's like almost $450
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,000 especially is close to a million dollars
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in today's money. Don't worry about that, but
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that's 10x as money. Oh, yeah. There's almost
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no business you can do where you start it and
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then you 10x your money in less than a decade.
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Yeah, in that amount of time, no. Yeah. So, like,
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not to be that guy, but at that point, it's like,
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dude, just take the money. Yeah. What are you
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doing? But who knows? You know, maybe at this
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point, from what it seems like. And again, we
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get into more stuff later. I don't want to spoil
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anything, but it seems like it's just a very
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personal kind of back and forth battle where
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one person oversteps, the other guy oversteps,
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he keeps going back and forth. And mind you,
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something for the audience to keep in mind is
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not every interaction and everything was documented,
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quite a bit of it is, but there is a lot of he
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said, she said, there was a lot of back and forth
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stuff. So who knows all the other little things
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leading up to some of these events as well. Now
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keep that in mind. But anyways, so there was
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a negotiation that happened before the rezoning
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proposal, and he had a public hearing at the
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town hall. He may have launched a public campaign
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against the planned concrete plant. His campaign
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was initially successful with members of the
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public concerned about potential environmental
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impacts packing into hearings on the construction
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proposals. The Docheffs addressed these concerns
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by promising to install additional measures against
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dust and noise and presented miniatures of the
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plant to concerned citizens. Opposition to the
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proposal had dwindled over time, and the plan
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was set to move forward again. In November of
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2000, he may have filed a lawsuit to block the
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project. So looking at the timeline, that means
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he had since like 97 or 96, this is like four
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years, almost five years into it. at this point
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yeah and now they're looking looking forward
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to move forward with the project right why is
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it that every time someone's got some kind of
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a a lawsuit going on they bust out the miniatures
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and models and all of a sudden everybody's like
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oh yeah that that looks pretty it makes sense
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it let's just go with it i think it's because
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once people have something tangible they're not
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afraid even if it doesn't make sense though yes
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it's just because they're afraid of the unknown
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because here's the thing people are dumb yeah
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i know you know i'll tell you but you know people
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assume the worst you know they'll imagine this
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giant monstrosity when it might not be the case
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or they'll assume it will extend into their property
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it's like no yeah i got i'm not defending either
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side but it's like i guess just the easiest way
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to win public approval is like here here's what
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it'll look like they'll be like oh cool i don't
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know yeah i suppose it just it it just seems
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like anytime you've got stuff going on you can
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pull out the the miniature model make it look
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pretty no matter how much you're lying to the
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public's face and they'll just go with it add
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a bunch of trees some shrubbery you know yeah
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a little pot down the middle you know spruce
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it up make it look nice yeah but anyways By January
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9, 2001, Hiemeyer had lost most of his allies
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in opposition to the concrete plant. Those managers
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must have done a really good job. And the city
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officials almost unanimously approved its construction.
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This made the final approval by Granby's zoning
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commission of trustees in April a formality.
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Hiemeyer tried to appeal the decision, claiming
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the construction blocked access to his shop.
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Here's the key point here. he had been going
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back and forth with them about needing a road
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to gain access to a shop because basically the
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rough kind of design from what i remember from
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this was that his shop was kind of set back yeah
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off the road quite a bit and so part of that
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road part of that easement of that access is
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part of where they want to build this big concrete
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commercial industrial section so his problem
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is if they build it he no longer has a legal
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road to get to his shop yeah so the the map that
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You can find it shows the plots they were buying
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up. He had a parking lot type path that was going
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through one of those lots to get to the muffler
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shop. And one of those plots that were getting
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bought up owned that land. And there was no right
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of way law at that point. So they buy that plot.
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They control the access to his shop. There's
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no way to get to his shop. So he has no way.
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to even get to his business legally or conduct
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business without them saying that he can. So
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that's kind of, that's kind of fucked up. Yeah.
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Well, especially if you have a zoning board,
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like you legally have to have access for any
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sort of commercial property. Or they can just
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say, no, you, you can't have access because we
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want this plant to go through. Yeah. That's part
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of the problem is like, there's supposed to be
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things in place to guarantee. Yeah. you know,
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access with the business. Cause all you would
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just need is a little two lane road, even a single
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lane. You can make it work with an easement or
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something, but no, but that's, that's one of
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the problems at, you know, and a word to the
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wise, if you're ever trying to build in a small
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town, you got to make friends and know everybody.
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It's politics that that's how small towns work.
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You know, even cities too. You need a really
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large bulldozer. We're getting there. An extremely
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large bulldozer. It's one of the biggest ones.
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It's huge. i encourage everybody at this point
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uh definitely look up some photos look up some
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video but by the end of the episode to really
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get the scale um fun fact on youtube whistling
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diesel did make a modern recreation he bought
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one is making like a modern recreation of it
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you can see that too to get like a modern sense
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of scale but it's big it's big yeah but anyways
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let's see in june 2001 so after He Meyer tried
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to appeal this decision by the zoning commission,
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claiming the construction blocked access to a
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shop. He also complained to the Environmental
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Protection Agency. This resulted in Docheff family
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having a professional noise analysis done, and
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I'm assuming that they passed. Yeah. If that's
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the case. Paid off to pass. Precisely. Yes. They
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got the okay. They got the stamp. In June 2001,
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Joe Docheff made He Meyer an offer over the phone,
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whereby if he might drop the lawsuit. They provide
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him with an easement to connect a sewer line
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to the new concrete plant free of charge. So
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they're dwelling to the sewer line, but not the
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road. Right. So it's meaningless. Yeah. It's
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like, it's like, Hey, we'll give you a sewer
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line. It's like, cool, but I still can't get
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to my own shop. Yeah. So in response to that,
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Marvin just hangs up the phone. Oh yeah. Around
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this time, the buried country. concrete truck
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barrel that served as Heemeyer's sewage hole
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had been full. Heemeyer responded by pumping
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his sewage of the gasoline pump right into the
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irrigation ditch that ran behind his property.
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I'm assuming really that's the property that
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borders on the Docheff's plant. The Docheff's,
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yes. I got the poo on me. That's saying from
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Joe Dirt. Yep, yep. All I can think about was
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the poo geyser from the movie RV with Robin Williams.
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Oh, yeah. But Heemeyer also attempted to illegally
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connect to a neighbor's sewer line, but was caught
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in the incident reported to the sanitation district.
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So this is one of those things where both parties
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have done some stupid stuff. Yep. Because I get
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Heemeyer's frustration, but why not just call
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a pump truck and just have it pumped out? I don't
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know if they would. Because it's not supposed
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to be there. And even though it is a tank in
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the ground, they may not touch it. But it was
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approved by the city. It really wasn't, though.
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But then can you sell a property without... See,
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this is part of what we don't know. I don't know
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if when Heemeyer bought it, if they had disclosed,
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hey, this is not a legal sewage situation. You
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got to get this fixed. And maybe that's why he
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got it for so cheap. probably there could be
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some wording here that you know because some
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of these records are not publicly available right
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so just keep that in mind but if that had if
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that had been a discussion before then if you
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look at it from the side of the no chefs it's
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like what the fuck dude right like you bought
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someplace that you don't need to work and you
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get mad it needs work you know but at the same
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point i do understand that like if they were
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running a shop out of there previously you can't
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put a cement mixer in the ground dude that's
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not how that works i mean the epa alone should
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have already been called at the minute he got
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it was like hey they sold me a property with
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massive violations like yeah he should have been
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on the ball on that one he could have got it
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back and then some free connection free septic
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all that shit yeah he could have just played
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the ball but like look all i just want is a road
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access and sewer hookup have them pay for it
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and that's it and this would have never happened
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yep you know because again you never know sometimes
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you never know until you just ask a stupid question
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yep You know, because again, clearly the no -chiefs
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have the money. Obviously. They ain't poor. But
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anyways. Humeyer also attempted to legally connect
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to the neighbor's sewer line. He was caught in
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the incident and was reported to the sanitation
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district. At this point, the sewer district started
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enforcing a legal requirement to have the sewer
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hook up or accept a tank and fined Humeyer $2
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,500 for it and several other code violations
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at his business. nine years after he was now
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this is the other thing this has all happened
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nine years after he was required to have installed
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either a septic tank or the sewer line so i feel
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like honestly they were being pretty fair with
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him either way like if you had nine years if
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you're running a muffler shop even while it was
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working you had time to fix it well but they
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they kept kicking it back every time he tried
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though and that's the issue They refused to give
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him the easement. So his only connection was
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on the Docheff's land. And they wouldn't budge.
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Okay, so even though while Heemeyer made some
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poor decisions, they still basically choked him
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out. Oh yeah, 100%. Okay. So now we're on to
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where Decisions were made. Yep. And by decisions,
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I do mean a singular, very big decision. Yep.
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After the lawsuit against the town was dismissed
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in April of 2002, he buyer had blamed the failure
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on his lawyer and demanded a refund. Knowing
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the zoning decision was now final, he traveled
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to California and purchased a Komatsu D355A bulldozer.
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Now, Something I want to bring up. I'm going
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to actually copy and paste this because I forgot
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to check. Yep. You can't find these things now.
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They are very expensive. Also, the thing is 50
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tons. It is the weight of most World War II tanks.
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The big ones. It's only like 10 tons shy of a
00:24:04.069 --> 00:24:10.170
Tiger I. It's huge. Big, big bulldozer. It's
00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:12.650
one of the biggest ones. Yep. Well, he traveled
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to California to purchase one at an auction for
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16 grand. That's nothing. That was a steal. He
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had originally intended to flip it. Oh, yeah.
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He kept outside of his business with a for sale
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sign on it. He was trying to sell it, but nothing
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happened. And mind you, that was back in April.
00:24:33.430 --> 00:24:38.130
Of 2002. Of 2002, yes. So this is now. several
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years into this whole i'm sorry july it was it
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went up for sale outside of his shop in july
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of 02 oh yep but by october he had announced
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the closure of the muffler repair business you
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know because of the lack of an easement because
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of not being able to do anything putting almost
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all the inventory up for sale when the bulldozer
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failed to sell which i can't believe nobody bought
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that thing like i know that's a good chunk of
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change but like that's a nice piece of equipment
00:25:06.380 --> 00:25:10.380
now this is where it gets a little weird a little
00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:13.579
a little weird yeah i think this is what happens
00:25:13.579 --> 00:25:15.940
if somebody has a just mentally just snaps yeah
00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:19.480
and loses their shit yeah you may take this part
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:24.759
yeah you're more than welcome okay so here we
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:28.000
are in october of 02 he's telling everybody the
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.359
shop's closing down he's done he's given up the
00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:34.609
dough chips have won Puts all of his inventory
00:25:34.609 --> 00:25:36.509
up for sale. He's just going to cash it out,
00:25:36.630 --> 00:25:39.329
get what he can get, sail off into the sunset,
00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:45.470
right? But then there's that bulldozer. This
00:25:45.470 --> 00:25:50.690
thing did not sell. It's looking at him. He's
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looking at it. It's looking at him. And he sees
00:25:54.569 --> 00:25:58.390
this beam of sunlight hit it from the cloudiest
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of days. and sees this as a sign from God to
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use the machine to enact his vengeance upon the
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.440
town of Granby. Now, he ends up selling the property
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:15.279
for $400 ,000, and he gets that almost 10x he
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was after. Which is crazy. Yeah. Now, here's
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.359
the funny part. He sold it to a waste disposal
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.559
company. Which, as soon as that happened, I was
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.299
like, what the fuck? Are you kidding me? Right.
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It must be, I bet you it's a company that they
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had known. Everybody knew everybody, so yeah.
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So he sold it to them in October of 03, and he
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was able to talk them into a lease for half of
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the building that was still there because he
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had some work to finish up. Within a day of the
00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:55.140
purchase closing, the new owners had completed
00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:59.250
water and sewage connections to the city. With
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no issues. Man. That's how you know this was
00:27:03.069 --> 00:27:07.710
personal. That's exactly how you know. So he
00:27:07.710 --> 00:27:10.549
puts up a wall. To separate the space that he's
00:27:10.549 --> 00:27:13.589
leasing. From the rest of the building. Changed
00:27:13.589 --> 00:27:16.809
out the locks. And nobody could see. Into that
00:27:16.809 --> 00:27:19.589
half of the building. He brings the bulldozer
00:27:19.589 --> 00:27:23.390
inside. And starts to illegally modify the thing.
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:28.700
He also puts some living quarters. in there,
00:27:28.819 --> 00:27:33.359
which he was not supposed to do. It was not designated
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:39.200
as a space for living area, but whatever. He
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.980
did that so that he wouldn't have to go back
00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:44.279
to his home in Grand Lake. He saw that as a waste
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:49.140
of time that could be spent on the dozer. Yeah,
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:53.180
this is where you know he's got to lose his marbles
00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:59.319
here. He gone, okay? He gone. The red mist has
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:04.980
descended. Yeah. So over the next 18 months,
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.980
Marvin transforms the Komatsu into what he calls
00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:17.839
Marv's Komatsu tank. The MKT. He's adding in
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.960
layers of steel and concrete armor, cameras,
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:27.180
and periscopes for full 360 degree vision. He
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:30.599
adds in gun ports, and he stocks it with a week's
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worth of food and water, extra firearms, and
00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:40.400
even a .50 caliber rifle. He records audio tapes,
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.680
which turned out to be part manifesto and part
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:48.579
goodbye. During those 18 months, he was methodical,
00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:54.740
patient, and entirely committed. And the weirdest
00:28:54.740 --> 00:29:00.799
part? No one suspected a thing. He talked to
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.359
some people about what he was going to do. They
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.140
thought he was just crazy. They thought he was
00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:09.319
just a man who had snapped and had delusions
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.279
of grandeur. They never imagined that he was
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.640
actually doing what he was saying, even though
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.500
he literally had the skills, material time and
00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:24.339
space to do it. So kind of like when we talked
00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:28.799
about. the las vegas shooting which was probably
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.680
a setup and a red flag a false flag refer to
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.160
that episode that's one of our better episodes
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:39.220
yes it is uh people talk about these things and
00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:41.299
say they're going to do them and no one believes
00:29:41.299 --> 00:29:45.200
them or thinks they're being serious so you know
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:50.400
no and something i did look up i did want to
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.829
share uh -huh So the rough approximate weight
00:29:53.829 --> 00:29:57.450
of the finished killdozer was 122 ,000 pounds
00:29:57.450 --> 00:30:00.430
or 61 tons. So he added approximately over 10
00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:04.230
tons. Of armor. Between armor, the weapons, you
00:30:04.230 --> 00:30:06.309
know, the ventilation system, all that. Yep.
00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:11.329
That's some serious work. Oh, yeah. That is not
00:30:11.329 --> 00:30:15.890
easy. Yeah. And people get confused about what
00:30:15.890 --> 00:30:18.890
the concrete was for. He was using the concrete.
00:30:19.470 --> 00:30:24.710
as spaced armor between the plates so which is
00:30:24.710 --> 00:30:27.829
smart it's he knew enough man oh yeah you know
00:30:27.829 --> 00:30:32.269
that that was back before uh i know chubham armor
00:30:32.269 --> 00:30:33.849
a lot of our stuff wasn't really made public
00:30:33.849 --> 00:30:36.450
knowledge back then what we're using on the abrams
00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:39.829
for example right but being able to switch between
00:30:39.829 --> 00:30:43.190
steel and then concrete and steel he basically
00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.970
made his own you know anti -shape charge armor
00:30:46.970 --> 00:30:50.730
on the cheap which is for someone that not i
00:30:50.730 --> 00:30:52.750
don't know what his if he has a military background
00:30:52.750 --> 00:30:55.450
or not or whatever he did air force so he knew
00:30:55.450 --> 00:30:59.109
he wasn't stupid yeah so like that's impressive
00:30:59.109 --> 00:31:02.750
you know something i did find out too as well
00:31:02.750 --> 00:31:07.730
he did have a uh barrett m82 yeah rifle in the
00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:09.650
rear of it yeah he had the 50 caliber rifle we
00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:13.809
we had that and he had a ruger mini 14 in there
00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:17.170
so it's just it's i was looking at some photos
00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:20.410
and it's crazy Like look this thing up and see
00:31:20.410 --> 00:31:26.430
how much work he did to it. Oh, yeah. My God.
00:31:27.609 --> 00:31:35.109
So prior to the actual rampage. He had scribbled
00:31:35.109 --> 00:31:37.630
out a list of complaints on the back of that
00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:40.670
old for sale sign, as well as some other scrap
00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:44.609
paper that he had laying around. And these ranged
00:31:44.609 --> 00:31:47.700
from. Things like the dough chef's unwillingness
00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:50.740
to pay the large sums that he requested, the
00:31:50.740 --> 00:31:54.539
sanitation district fining him, and that the
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:57.740
town had approved the plant construction. He
00:31:57.740 --> 00:32:00.200
was convinced that literally everybody was against
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.059
him and out to get him. The other writings suggested
00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:09.960
that God had stopped the plant from being constructed
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.750
in 92 and alluded to a belief. that god had caused
00:32:15.750 --> 00:32:17.910
the deaths of multiple people who had opposed
00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:24.470
him hey meyer further claimed yeah go ahead i
00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:26.910
was gonna say the more i've read this more we
00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:28.549
talk about this the more i truly think this is
00:32:28.549 --> 00:32:31.470
the first case of the machine spirit being real
00:32:31.470 --> 00:32:34.609
and taking possession of a person i really feel
00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:38.150
like that dozer has had a will since its inception
00:32:38.150 --> 00:32:42.309
that it wanted to kill it wanted to do this And
00:32:42.309 --> 00:32:46.190
it found an unwitting person to finally enact
00:32:46.190 --> 00:32:49.529
what it wanted. Oh, God. Because at the minute
00:32:49.529 --> 00:32:51.450
he bought that dozer, the guy became a maniac.
00:32:51.849 --> 00:32:56.869
Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. You know, so lesson
00:32:56.869 --> 00:32:59.210
learned. Don't be a weak -minded body and then
00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:01.130
buy a dozer because it will own you, apparently.
00:33:02.529 --> 00:33:05.549
I wonder if he had the chant to the Omnisia on
00:33:05.549 --> 00:33:10.809
there. It should have gone and seen a tech priest
00:33:10.809 --> 00:33:16.319
first. I swear. So Haymeyer further claimed that
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.960
I was always willing to be unreasonable or to
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.480
be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable.
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.819
Adding that sometimes reasonable men must do
00:33:25.819 --> 00:33:29.960
unreasonable things. And that is a quote that
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.900
has gained so much traction all across the internet.
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.359
And a lot of people have really kind of gotten
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.839
behind that because. Yeah, when you're pushed
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.519
to the brink and you're out of options, you really
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.980
have few options left. A lot of us can relate.
00:33:49.220 --> 00:33:54.160
Yeah. In addition to those writings, Haymeyer
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.380
recorded three audio tapes explaining his motivation
00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:01.240
for the upcoming attack. The tapes contained
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.240
two separate recordings on each side for a total
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.220
of six recordings, and he mailed these to his
00:34:07.220 --> 00:34:10.329
brother in South Dakota shortly before. stepping
00:34:10.329 --> 00:34:14.409
into the dozer. His brother turned the tapes
00:34:14.409 --> 00:34:16.949
over to the FBI, who in turn sent them to the
00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:19.530
Grand County Sheriff's Department. It's about
00:34:19.530 --> 00:34:23.050
two and a half hours worth of audio. The first
00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:26.929
recording was made on April 13th of 04, and the
00:34:26.929 --> 00:34:31.150
last one was made on May 22nd, just 13 days before
00:34:31.150 --> 00:34:35.469
the attack. An excerpt from one of the recordings
00:34:35.469 --> 00:34:41.349
reads, God built me for this job. It was God's
00:34:41.349 --> 00:34:44.630
plan that I not be married or have a family so
00:34:44.630 --> 00:34:46.570
that I could be in a position to carry out this
00:34:46.570 --> 00:34:50.309
attack. I think God will bless me to get the
00:34:50.309 --> 00:34:53.389
machine done, drive it, and do the stuff that
00:34:53.389 --> 00:34:57.429
I have to do, he says. God blessed me in advance
00:34:57.429 --> 00:35:00.489
for the task that I am about to undertake. It
00:35:00.489 --> 00:35:04.789
is my duty. God has asked me to do this. It's
00:35:04.789 --> 00:35:07.389
a cross that I am going to carry, and I'm carrying
00:35:07.389 --> 00:35:13.679
it in his name. crazy you know that sounds like
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.920
machine spirit talk to me just saying it absolutely
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:22.199
does um i am not a religious person um i i i
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.360
think that people who undertake religious followings
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.940
you know that's that's great that they have that
00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:33.639
crutch to lean on but when people get into this
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:39.360
level of you know the lord is is doing and acting
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.579
through me kind of speak they're off the rocker
00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:47.179
it's it's fucking beans so it's just plain fanaticism
00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:51.460
yeah it really is you know it it's it's beyond
00:35:51.460 --> 00:35:55.699
belief literally it's it's past that point of
00:35:55.699 --> 00:35:58.099
you know doing something to better yourself it's
00:35:58.099 --> 00:36:00.800
you you are you're a crazy person if you're doing
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.800
something like this yeah you know which again
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.900
i understand why he's doing it And I'm sure there's
00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:09.639
probably more details that are not out to the
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.139
public. So like, I'm willing to be sympathetic,
00:36:11.260 --> 00:36:15.119
but yeah, boy, any of those words also like not
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.599
for nothing, two and a half hours worth of tapes.
00:36:17.980 --> 00:36:21.280
The whole story took us 20 minutes. Like you,
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:22.820
there's a lot of personal stuff in there. It's
00:36:22.820 --> 00:36:25.179
like, dude, what were you ranting on about for
00:36:25.179 --> 00:36:28.900
two and a half, three hours? Yeah. Jesus. Yep.
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:36.389
Crazy. Yeah. So. So that kind of brings us up
00:36:36.389 --> 00:36:42.610
to the morning of June 4th. I would assume he
00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:44.710
shits, showers, shaves, and gets his last meal
00:36:44.710 --> 00:36:48.769
in. Emphasis on the shit because he did not have
00:36:48.769 --> 00:36:52.389
a toilet there. Emphasis on that one. I would
00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:54.130
think he did because he had a week's worth of
00:36:54.130 --> 00:36:56.929
food. So he probably had a bucket or something
00:36:56.929 --> 00:36:59.369
ready. Yeah, but the problem is you're stuck
00:36:59.369 --> 00:37:02.409
inside with the smelly coffin. Who cares? He
00:37:02.409 --> 00:37:06.519
had a gas mask too. There was a gas mask. Why
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.500
do I just think the most terrifying thing would
00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:11.699
be a naked man wearing a gas mask just covered
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.840
in his own feces. You open up the top of it and
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.059
that's what you see. I'm sorry. That is beyond
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:20.920
dystopian. Oh, that just gave me the greatest
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:26.400
image. With a welding apron. With a welding apron.
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:40.619
And some Crocs. Yep. Oh, so, yeah, that's going
00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:43.239
to stay there. So that brings us up to the morning.
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:48.559
He loads himself into the cockpit, uses the overhead
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.880
crane to lower the reinforced cabin section onto
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.360
the dozer, and seals himself inside for good.
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.079
From that point forward, he knew there was no
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.940
turning back, as he'd never included a way to
00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:05.630
leave the dozer after he was sealed in. He had
00:38:05.630 --> 00:38:09.429
essentially made a coffin with an engine. I really
00:38:09.429 --> 00:38:14.349
feel like that's a very solemn moment for him
00:38:14.349 --> 00:38:17.309
to experience when he got that thing locked into
00:38:17.309 --> 00:38:21.010
place and just that kind of like, fuck, this
00:38:21.010 --> 00:38:25.289
is it. For those that know Warhammer, he became
00:38:25.289 --> 00:38:27.090
the first Dreadnought. I knew you were going
00:38:27.090 --> 00:38:31.550
to bring up that reference. Yep. He's the first.
00:38:31.650 --> 00:38:35.869
He was the first. He was number one. We have
00:38:35.869 --> 00:38:37.969
to make a He -Meyer dreadnought now for Warhammer
00:38:37.969 --> 00:38:41.530
players. Schmitty, Warvin, Jaegerman, He -Meyer.
00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:48.710
You know? So after he's all sealed in, snuggled
00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:53.090
into a seat and ready to go, he gets his startup
00:38:53.090 --> 00:38:56.090
checks all done, and then he bursts out the side
00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:58.070
of the building that he had been calling home.
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:03.239
and once worked from. His first stop, right next
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.179
door, Mountain Park Concrete, owned by the Dochefs.
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.420
You can take this part. Absolutely. So he smashes
00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:17.079
through the plant. Cody Dochef attempts to fire
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.960
a sidearm at the dozer, as he initially believed
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.159
the dozer was remote -controlled, to no avail,
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.539
obviously. He tried to climb the dozer to gain
00:39:24.539 --> 00:39:26.739
access to the control cabin, allegedly finding
00:39:26.739 --> 00:39:28.760
the exterior to have been coated with axle grease.
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.099
Which, by the way, for anybody that's not messed
00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:36.920
with axle grease, this guy's an asshole for doing
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.500
that. That's a lot of effort. That's a lot of
00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:42.840
time. That's hilarious. You got to give it to
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.719
him, though. He had countermeasures on countermeasures.
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.079
Dude, he's the most committed man. That's the
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.420
thing. This guy spent 18 months. you know oh
00:39:52.420 --> 00:39:55.500
yeah figuring this out and by the way i'm very
00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:57.599
surprised during those 18 months that nobody
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.139
knew the police department he was surprised like
00:40:00.139 --> 00:40:05.619
nobody checked in on this guy yeah you know because
00:40:05.619 --> 00:40:09.639
they and anyways i just think it's funny uh he
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:11.619
then grabs a front -end loader to fight back
00:40:11.619 --> 00:40:15.079
which let's stop and think about this for a second
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.820
for anybody that knows anything about physics
00:40:16.820 --> 00:40:21.030
a front -end loader mate 10 tons at the max,
00:40:21.090 --> 00:40:24.769
maybe 20 tons of really big one. The Komatsu
00:40:24.769 --> 00:40:27.730
unmodified weighs 50, and it has big -ass tracks.
00:40:28.670 --> 00:40:31.250
It's literally big enough to move tanks around.
00:40:31.769 --> 00:40:33.969
You think a front -end loader is going to do
00:40:33.969 --> 00:40:38.809
anything to this? I mean, in a moment of desperation,
00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:41.989
I mean, you're going to do anything. dude you
00:40:41.989 --> 00:40:45.250
brought a pez dispenser to a katana fight like
00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:48.909
you're not gonna do anything that's like i appreciate
00:40:48.909 --> 00:40:50.670
the effort but now he just destroys another piece
00:40:50.670 --> 00:40:54.590
of equipment effectively you know uh marvin rams
00:40:54.590 --> 00:40:57.230
the loader and then later fire shots at the loader
00:40:57.230 --> 00:40:59.510
according to another employee try railing the
00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:03.750
treads with a large piece of steel again there's
00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:05.170
not much you could put in there to stop those
00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:07.690
treads especially if you look at some of the
00:41:07.690 --> 00:41:11.820
photos of it i mean he covers up a part of the
00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:14.199
track not all of it if it does cover up a part
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.780
of it but the thing is with the way that track
00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.320
is designed it's designed to break rocks and
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.039
whatnot that get into it so would not surprise
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.219
me if even bit straight bits of steel yeah wouldn't
00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:28.539
really do anything did none of that no no the
00:41:28.539 --> 00:41:30.900
kill loader did the kill daughter does i can't
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:33.840
english the kill dozer killed kill daughter and
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.599
that up does not hesitate and crumbles it like
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:40.000
a toy Law enforcement arrives quickly. Deputies
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:41.980
and state troopers open fire hundreds of rounds,
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.139
even explosives. Nothing penetrates the armor.
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.739
Marvin fires back through gun ports and even
00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:49.219
charges their positions. One trooper barely escapes
00:41:49.219 --> 00:41:52.039
being crushed. And again, I don't blame them
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.380
for firing, but for anyone that looks up the
00:41:54.380 --> 00:41:57.840
photos, I mean, it's thick steel with concrete.
00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:02.000
There's no sidearm that you're carrying that's
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.340
going to get through that. I mean, maybe if you
00:42:03.340 --> 00:42:06.360
get... 50 BMG through the same spot several times,
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:09.539
but even then, I highly doubt it. I would also
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:14.420
like to point out, he had three inches of ballistic
00:42:14.420 --> 00:42:21.199
polycarbonate over cameras. He had an air system
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.659
to blow off dust to keep the lenses cleared.
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.699
He thought shit out. He wasn't going to be stopped
00:42:30.699 --> 00:42:34.000
by a little bit of dust or not being able to
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:39.059
see so it was really a matter of they had to
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:43.500
wait till he was done at that point that was
00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:46.780
the mindset at least i mean the only way they
00:42:46.780 --> 00:42:48.500
could have got him is if they had some sort of
00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:51.679
c4 even tannerite to knock the track off i don't
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.539
think even that would have worked because he
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:57.719
had cameras all around he would have seen him
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.579
coming he had the gun ports i mean anyone trying
00:43:01.579 --> 00:43:04.670
to run up on him This is why you use the old
00:43:04.670 --> 00:43:06.250
World War II method. If you get the... The sticky
00:43:06.250 --> 00:43:08.730
bomb. The steel hand... Yeah, exactly. You know,
00:43:08.750 --> 00:43:11.650
the old... The old Stephen Private Ryan, you
00:43:11.650 --> 00:43:15.289
know. But I know local law enforcement... The
00:43:15.289 --> 00:43:17.889
sock of doom. It's not even a teenager sock.
00:43:20.269 --> 00:43:29.429
The sock of petulance. I guess the Nurgle sock.
00:43:29.869 --> 00:43:33.480
Anyways. Sorry, a lot of Warhammer references
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:38.940
today. But I know local law enforcement, they
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:41.079
wouldn't carry something to do with this, especially
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.800
a little town like that. I mean, a lot of state
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.039
law enforcement wouldn't even have it. They'd
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.400
have to go to National Guard. Even then, I don't
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.039
know if they'd have it. We'll get into that here
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:55.760
in just a second. Exactly. But anyways, I continue
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.159
going. Okay, I'll take the one after this. Okay,
00:43:59.179 --> 00:44:01.909
cool. He methodically hits his targets, starts
00:44:01.909 --> 00:44:03.989
the town hall, then the former mayor's house,
00:44:04.150 --> 00:44:06.530
the local newspaper office, which I criticized
00:44:06.530 --> 00:44:09.369
him publicly, and other buildings tied to his
00:44:09.369 --> 00:44:12.150
grievances. There were 13 structures total, many
00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:14.349
occupied until minutes or even seconds before
00:44:14.349 --> 00:44:18.090
the business district of the town is destroyed.
00:44:18.710 --> 00:44:24.469
Completely. So for two hours and seven minutes,
00:44:24.789 --> 00:44:28.449
the killdozer dominates Granby. The cops are
00:44:28.449 --> 00:44:32.550
helpless. And during this time, the then Governor
00:44:32.550 --> 00:44:36.070
Bill Owens was being fed information and was
00:44:36.070 --> 00:44:40.849
weighing his options. Now, it was reported that
00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:44.190
at one point, he considered authorizing the Colorado
00:44:44.190 --> 00:44:47.289
National Guard to use either an Apache attack
00:44:47.289 --> 00:44:51.030
helicopter equipped with a Hellfire missile or
00:44:51.030 --> 00:44:54.429
a two -man fire team with a Javelin anti -tank
00:44:54.429 --> 00:45:00.809
missile system to destroy the Dozer. Honestly,
00:45:00.809 --> 00:45:04.289
I'm okay with that. I get it. You know, I mean,
00:45:04.309 --> 00:45:07.650
you do what you got to do. The thing is, if the
00:45:07.650 --> 00:45:13.590
guy is running and legality aside, he is operating
00:45:13.590 --> 00:45:18.650
a tank. Yes. All 61 tons of it. Yes. And destroying
00:45:18.650 --> 00:45:21.550
the town. I feel like no matter who it is, you
00:45:21.550 --> 00:45:23.610
kind of have the right to blow it up. Especially
00:45:23.610 --> 00:45:25.869
if you've tried all reasonable avenues of getting
00:45:25.869 --> 00:45:29.599
them to stop. It's like. you you've picked your
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.039
battle here here's a free hellfire yeah and you
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.440
know and i hate to say i hate to be this this
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.000
person say it that's a lot cheaper than putting
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.420
them in jail for 20 30 years those options usually
00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:42.739
are that's that's the bad part you know i hate
00:45:42.739 --> 00:45:44.639
to say it but yeah i mean just just going by
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:48.079
weight class alone the vehicle well more than
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:51.300
qualified as a tank and especially with the destruction
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:54.159
that it was doing so although to be fair you
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.789
wouldn't have needed a hellfire though yeah The
00:45:56.789 --> 00:45:59.409
thing is, the National Guard, they should have
00:45:59.409 --> 00:46:02.210
had a law, like anti -tank weapon, one of those.
00:46:02.650 --> 00:46:05.130
Those cost like a couple thousand, maybe five
00:46:05.130 --> 00:46:08.690
grand a shoot. Aim at the engine bay. Well, that
00:46:08.690 --> 00:46:11.510
was well protected too. Yeah, but that would
00:46:11.510 --> 00:46:13.849
still go right through that. Those are meant
00:46:13.849 --> 00:46:18.150
to destroy like T -80s and T -72s. I mean, I
00:46:18.150 --> 00:46:22.269
don't think the concrete, while it's effectively
00:46:22.269 --> 00:46:25.340
spaced armor. I don't think it would have defeated
00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:29.500
something that heavy. But who knows? Who knows?
00:46:29.539 --> 00:46:32.619
Maybe I'm wrong. Well, get a hold of the other
00:46:32.619 --> 00:46:34.579
dude that's getting the dozer and have him do
00:46:34.579 --> 00:46:38.579
that test. Well, we create it. Yes. We'll build
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:44.699
a small town. Yep. So as of late or as late as
00:46:44.699 --> 00:46:49.400
2011, Governor Owens staff vehemently denied
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.320
considering such courses of action. But members
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.239
of the state patrol, however, claim that to the
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.920
contrary, the governor did consider authorizing
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.860
an attack, but ultimately decided against it
00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:03.619
due to the potential for collateral damage of
00:47:03.619 --> 00:47:06.179
a missile strike in the heart of Granby being
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:08.519
significantly higher than what Haymire could
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.539
have caused with his bulldozer. I disagree with
00:47:11.539 --> 00:47:15.239
that. I also disagree. He clearly does not know
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:22.000
the precision of a hellfire. Yeah. So. So shortly
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:26.300
thereafter, Marvin finally attacked the Gamble's
00:47:26.300 --> 00:47:29.440
hardware store, and this is where the rampage
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.820
would come to a very sad end. He targeted it
00:47:33.820 --> 00:47:36.019
due to the owner's involvement in the hearings
00:47:36.019 --> 00:47:40.440
about the batch plant. So as the bulldozer slowly
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.579
plows through the building, a civilian -operated
00:47:43.579 --> 00:47:46.039
vehicle was maneuvered onto the sidewalk behind
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.420
his path, blocking him from retreating back onto
00:47:49.420 --> 00:47:52.250
the street. after which the civilian operator
00:47:52.250 --> 00:47:56.929
exited the vehicle and fled to safety. Forced
00:47:56.929 --> 00:47:59.429
with the only option to continue as forward and
00:47:59.429 --> 00:48:02.389
onward and unaware of a small basement on the
00:48:02.389 --> 00:48:06.030
property, Marvin was lured into driving into
00:48:06.030 --> 00:48:08.309
the building as a means to hopefully pass through
00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:11.190
it, drive through the other side and continue
00:48:11.190 --> 00:48:14.789
his attack. However, the tread of the machine
00:48:14.789 --> 00:48:17.130
slipped into the basement due to its immense
00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:20.250
weight. essentially stopping his attack dead
00:48:20.250 --> 00:48:24.469
in the water. The radiator had also been damaged
00:48:24.469 --> 00:48:27.909
due to all the fire that he was taking. The engine
00:48:27.909 --> 00:48:33.289
was leaking before the fall, and as such, it
00:48:33.289 --> 00:48:35.670
was noted that even if Heymeyer had been able
00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:38.989
to free himself, the dozer would not have been
00:48:38.989 --> 00:48:47.250
able to operate for much longer. So... At around
00:48:47.250 --> 00:48:51.230
4 .30 p .m., after getting hung up and stuck
00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:55.449
in that hardware store, realizing that his rampage
00:48:55.449 --> 00:48:59.949
had come to an early end, Omar realizes that
00:48:59.949 --> 00:49:03.829
the end has come. And while his final moments
00:49:03.829 --> 00:49:07.030
are not exactly known, and he did not record
00:49:07.030 --> 00:49:10.750
anything else while he was in the cabin, it is
00:49:10.750 --> 00:49:14.289
known that a single gunshot inside the cab was
00:49:14.289 --> 00:49:17.989
finally heard and ended the event, as Marv made
00:49:17.989 --> 00:49:23.250
the decision to take his own life. After that
00:49:23.250 --> 00:49:27.269
was confirmed, it takes another 12 hours for
00:49:27.269 --> 00:49:31.349
authorities to get into the cabin of the Killdozer,
00:49:31.409 --> 00:49:36.889
well into the morning of June 5th. They tried
00:49:36.889 --> 00:49:39.449
everything to get into that thing. They finally
00:49:39.449 --> 00:49:42.019
had to cut through it. using different torches
00:49:42.019 --> 00:49:47.639
to recover his body. At that point, the town
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.860
was just in absolute shock. He was the only fatality
00:49:51.860 --> 00:49:56.139
in all this. But the damage was well into the
00:49:56.139 --> 00:50:00.679
millions. There were insurance battles and different
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.800
rebuilding efforts. The bulldozer itself was
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.579
eventually scrapped to prevent inspiration to
00:50:07.579 --> 00:50:14.489
supporters. And that was at the behest, really,
00:50:14.710 --> 00:50:18.429
because there was some kickback. There were some
00:50:18.429 --> 00:50:21.550
surprise discussions from residents about turning
00:50:21.550 --> 00:50:27.449
it into a tourist attraction. As it is, Granby
00:50:27.449 --> 00:50:30.789
moves on, and the story explodes nationally.
00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:34.929
Some people hail Marvin as a folk hero against
00:50:34.929 --> 00:50:39.010
corrupt bureaucracy. Others... See him as a dangerous
00:50:39.010 --> 00:50:42.170
man who tried to kill and destroy people's lives
00:50:42.170 --> 00:50:46.510
and their work. Investigations confirm his targeted
00:50:46.510 --> 00:50:49.010
list, but also his willingness to use lethal
00:50:49.010 --> 00:50:56.289
force. Marvin Haymeyer's story is a cautionary
00:50:56.289 --> 00:50:59.730
tale about what happens when someone feels completely
00:50:59.730 --> 00:51:03.289
backed into a corner by the system, real or perceived.
00:51:04.190 --> 00:51:07.179
He tried the legal route for years. But in the
00:51:07.179 --> 00:51:11.260
end, his unreasonable thing crossed into violence
00:51:11.260 --> 00:51:17.719
that could have killed many. And with that, that
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:24.960
is the end of the Killdozer story. So thoughts,
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.300
anything else you wanted to add, Gibbs? I think
00:51:29.300 --> 00:51:30.860
dealing with local government, we've all been
00:51:30.860 --> 00:51:32.619
there on some days where we all wish we had our
00:51:32.619 --> 00:51:36.329
own personal kabatsu. oh yeah i get there i've
00:51:36.329 --> 00:51:42.610
been there uh but man just it's it's one of those
00:51:42.610 --> 00:51:44.969
things that bureaucracy sometimes goes too far
00:51:44.969 --> 00:51:48.909
and i understand why he did it i don't agree
00:51:48.909 --> 00:51:53.710
with it right but i think from a purely taking
00:51:53.710 --> 00:51:57.469
the politics and morality aside of it in a weird
00:51:57.469 --> 00:52:01.250
way it's just not cool but it's it's interesting
00:52:01.250 --> 00:52:04.940
that a guy said it i'll do it myself yeah and
00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:07.599
did all that like in an engineering aspect i
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.500
find it very interesting i don't agree with what
00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:10.840
happened i'm trying to make sure people understand
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.059
i don't think people should go and do it but
00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:17.000
it's cool in a way to be like that guy actually
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.840
did it because we've all been there in traffic
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.000
pissed off where i thought man if i could just
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.599
fucking run over all these fucking people are
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.099
bullshit like we've all been there but the guy
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:29.219
spent 18 months what i usually experience and
00:52:29.219 --> 00:52:32.400
like Nine to 15 seconds. And then I go, okay,
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.139
this guy said, I'm going to, I'm going to live
00:52:35.139 --> 00:52:37.699
that for the next 18 to 20 months. Right. And
00:52:37.699 --> 00:52:42.360
do that. And it's like, like it's crazy. So the,
00:52:42.460 --> 00:52:44.519
the whole, you know, modifying a dozer thing.
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.559
I kind of, I can relate to him on one thing,
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.860
having been an EMT for a while. I do think that
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:55.360
emergency vehicles should have a cow plow or
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.500
something on the front of their vehicles to get
00:52:57.500 --> 00:53:00.639
the idiots out of the way. Like the trains have
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.380
to move the cars out of the way from in front
00:53:03.380 --> 00:53:05.099
of them. Because not enough people get out of
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:10.940
the way. That's true. Like you said, there's
00:53:10.940 --> 00:53:14.780
a lot of people that can relate to his small
00:53:14.780 --> 00:53:19.659
man fighting back the man and resisting government
00:53:19.659 --> 00:53:25.230
overreach and whatnot. But at the end of the
00:53:25.230 --> 00:53:30.170
day, as much as, you know, yeah, I've got Killdozer
00:53:30.170 --> 00:53:32.710
stuff all over my desk and my house and everything.
00:53:32.829 --> 00:53:37.969
And yeah, there's a lot of symbolism. Is that
00:53:37.969 --> 00:53:40.429
the right word? Or is it symbology? It's symbolism.
00:53:40.670 --> 00:53:46.889
Symbolism. That represents a lot of what happened.
00:53:46.949 --> 00:53:50.590
But he would have probably killed people if they
00:53:50.590 --> 00:53:55.440
were there. I don't think it was out of his realm
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:00.579
at that point or the mindset he was in. But the
00:54:00.579 --> 00:54:02.820
fact that nobody else was hurt, I think there
00:54:02.820 --> 00:54:05.480
was one other person that was hurt, but they
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.420
were hurt by debris that was falling. They had
00:54:08.420 --> 00:54:10.139
gone back into a building that he had already
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:12.480
attacked, and they were trying to recover some
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.360
personal property. After being told not to go
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.980
in, they went in anyways, and they were hurt
00:54:16.980 --> 00:54:19.440
by a piece of falling debris. And I think that
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.480
was the only other major injury in the entire
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:27.320
event, which that's pretty fucking awesome, to
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.639
be honest. That's very lucky. Yeah. Everybody
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:35.159
got lucky that he's the only fatality. I will
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.900
say this on kudos to the law enforcement system.
00:54:39.059 --> 00:54:42.840
They were able to initiate a reverse 911 to the
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:49.719
entire town of Granby. That was something that
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.960
was not well known or understood how to do back
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:56.380
then. That's a good point. I didn't think about
00:54:56.380 --> 00:55:02.360
that. Yeah. So. I mean, they did a good job too
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.599
with like nobody getting hurt, getting people
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.599
out of there, making people aware. Granted, not
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.880
like it's a fast vehicle, but still. Right. You
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.920
know. Kind of reminds you of that scene from
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.579
Austin Powers where the guy's about to get run
00:55:15.579 --> 00:55:19.289
over by the slow mobile. He just stands there
00:55:19.289 --> 00:55:22.250
and thinks about it for two minutes. All I think
00:55:22.250 --> 00:55:24.030
about is Deadpool. He's going to be run over
00:55:24.030 --> 00:55:29.429
by a Zamboni. That is what is happening. It's
00:55:29.429 --> 00:55:32.829
something that I feel like a lot of guys in a
00:55:32.829 --> 00:55:35.349
small way can relate to with this and the amount
00:55:35.349 --> 00:55:38.449
of engineering and time. I think it's fascinating,
00:55:38.650 --> 00:55:44.510
but don't go doing this, kids. Don't be doing
00:55:44.510 --> 00:55:47.599
this kind of stuff. stay in school stay in school
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.980
be a law -abiding citizen and uh when the government
00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:52.539
doesn't work vote people out of office yes um
00:55:52.539 --> 00:55:56.260
you know i i will stress that also if you move
00:55:56.260 --> 00:55:59.019
to a small town where you have that kind of everybody
00:55:59.019 --> 00:56:01.980
knows everybody's city council move just just
00:56:01.980 --> 00:56:05.000
move you don't have to go on a rampage just move
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:09.239
or or you just be better at their game than them
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:15.190
become mr popular And slowly work and find your
00:56:15.190 --> 00:56:18.449
way to make things happen. But small -town politics
00:56:18.449 --> 00:56:22.449
will always get you. I would also encourage you
00:56:22.449 --> 00:56:27.590
to watch the show Better Call Saul. That's a
00:56:27.590 --> 00:56:31.010
great show. He's very good at fighting back against
00:56:31.010 --> 00:56:33.829
bureaucracy in a lot of those episodes. Comes
00:56:33.829 --> 00:56:37.750
up with some very, very snarky ways to combat
00:56:37.750 --> 00:56:41.659
some of that bureaucracy. The selling of the
00:56:41.659 --> 00:56:45.360
house and trying to build? Yep. That's a great...
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.460
What was it? A couple episodes? Yeah. It lasted
00:56:49.460 --> 00:56:53.599
two or three episodes, I think. Yeah. So, I mean,
00:56:53.659 --> 00:56:55.980
it's... The things you can do with smoke detectors
00:56:55.980 --> 00:57:03.099
are amazing. Yeah. Digging for contemporary pottery.
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:05.880
Uh -huh. And trying to... Oh, we found some old
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:07.340
pottery here. They're not going to dig up the
00:57:07.340 --> 00:57:13.650
whole site. But there are other ways. And even
00:57:13.650 --> 00:57:15.710
as somebody like me that sometimes I sit there
00:57:15.710 --> 00:57:18.809
and look at my tractor and then look at my local
00:57:18.809 --> 00:57:21.210
government and I stare at my tractor and I hear
00:57:21.210 --> 00:57:28.329
the voices. No, no, no, no. I get it. I get it.
00:57:28.809 --> 00:57:32.309
But it's not the way to do it. Or at least you
00:57:32.309 --> 00:57:35.519
know if you are going to do it. stay on a road
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:36.860
where it's not gonna collapse underneath you
00:57:36.860 --> 00:57:39.320
and don't have your radiator exposed yes that
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.500
is such like that is such like like like a if
00:57:42.500 --> 00:57:44.380
you had ever been at a double ocean derby or
00:57:44.380 --> 00:57:46.099
ever gone racing you would know that's like the
00:57:46.099 --> 00:57:50.099
most vulnerable part yep if you're gonna reinforce
00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:53.820
anything it's that yep you know have a secondary
00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:56.500
radiator yeah don't don't use hoses like that
00:57:56.500 --> 00:58:01.300
i don't know no but but hey i just came it took
00:58:01.300 --> 00:58:05.440
him 12 hours to get in there To get it in where?
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:09.019
Oh, to cut it open? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he sealed
00:58:09.019 --> 00:58:13.519
himself in there good. Like, I couldn't find
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.539
anything on it, but I feel like he probably welded
00:58:16.539 --> 00:58:19.900
it shut. I wonder if it's that layer of concrete
00:58:19.900 --> 00:58:22.260
because you can't just torch through it. Oh,
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:23.800
probably. They must have had to torch through
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.699
the top layer and then get a jackhammer. Well,
00:58:26.780 --> 00:58:29.679
a shock hammer. And then get through that and
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.440
then torch the underneath layer. Yeah. That was
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.320
taking forever. Oh, my God. And plus the sheer
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:39.000
weight of it. Yeah, true. I mean, he had to use
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.840
the overhead crane to get it on there. So, I
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:45.559
mean, God. Good Lord. But no, when it comes to
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.780
trying to fight back against like small town
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:53.239
bureaucracy and stuff, I think I want to just
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.860
make like very subtle, maybe like note cards,
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.789
like professional, like. nice handwriting or
00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:03.809
whatnot, like printed type cards. So they can't
00:59:03.809 --> 00:59:06.690
trace it back to me. And then just leave it in
00:59:06.690 --> 00:59:08.969
people's mailboxes and remind them that knees
00:59:08.969 --> 00:59:19.750
are a privilege, not a right. Yeah, I can't relate.
00:59:19.909 --> 00:59:22.849
I, I think that that would drive the point home
00:59:22.849 --> 00:59:34.070
well enough, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:37.170 --> 00:59:39.349
Anyways, hey, live show's coming up here in a
00:59:39.349 --> 00:59:43.929
couple months and you can come and hang out with
00:59:43.929 --> 00:59:46.949
us and throw shit at us while we're on stage
00:59:46.949 --> 00:59:50.050
and then come and talk to us afterwards. And
00:59:50.050 --> 00:59:52.469
we'll put stuff down your pants in response.
00:59:53.449 --> 00:59:59.349
Maybe give us a hand. No, no, no, no, no. That's
00:59:59.349 --> 01:00:04.469
how you catch a charge. Yeah. What we're going
01:00:04.469 --> 01:00:06.130
to do is we're going to have a mat at the top
01:00:06.130 --> 01:00:08.269
of the stairs. It says beyond this point, it's
01:00:08.269 --> 01:00:15.130
consensual. Fair. Fair. Yep. I'm going to have
01:00:15.130 --> 01:00:17.730
to bring that as a flag. I need it for my front
01:00:17.730 --> 01:00:22.230
door. A banner. Yeah. We need several of them
01:00:22.230 --> 01:00:30.980
for your house. You know? Oh, shit. But, yeah,
01:00:31.099 --> 01:00:35.679
so live show's coming up. Next week, we hope
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.559
we have Gibbles back. Anything else of note?
01:00:41.219 --> 01:00:43.639
um no just you know follow us on social media
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youtube you know um tick tock instagram oh i
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forgot we have a tick tock i don't i don't do
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:55.840
tick tock i i really don't that much either i
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gotta start doing that again well yeah life has
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the whole our videos suddenly stopped showing
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at least hit our 50 sub count or 50 followers.
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We're at 21 on Twitch. Yeah. So if you want to
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come over to Twitch and follow us there and help
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us get to our follower count, that would be awesome.
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At some point, we'll have the videos again. It's
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just... We can't make more time. Life be life
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for all three of us. Unfortunately, no. but with,
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with my new job, hopefully starting soon with
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the new work schedule, I'll have three days off
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a week. Hell yeah. So that will make, make a
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big difference. Yes. And that's a working four
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tens. Oh yeah. It's glorious, glorious schedule.
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Yes. So kind of sucks. I have a mandatory Saturday
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work day, but that's a, you know, it is what
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it is. You know, you take what you can get. Yeah.
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At least it's not only fans and you're not in
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the baby pool full of mayonnaise. Right. Yeah,
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I know. That would be the low point in my life.
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I'd be sitting there disgusted looking at a jar
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of mayonnaise going, wow, this is it. Yep. That's
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the problem that not even drugs can solve. You'd
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probably take the drugs over the mayonnaise pool.
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Honestly, kind of, because mayonnaise is... That's
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kind of bad. Oh, man. All right, well... Thank
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you for hanging out with us. Thank you for listening.
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And we'll hopefully have a good show for you
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next week. We'll see you then. And we love you
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all. Bye. Bye.
