The Adventures of Teaching Abroad and Many Life Lessons

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Welcome to Let's Pause.
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In a world that only seems to be gaining speed, we're pushing the pause button on life to explore, study, and dig a little deeper.
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So thanks for joining us today as we pause.
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Hey Mark, how you been?
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I I have been really well.
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I'm I'm acclimating to the summer heat.
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I'm trying to acclimate.
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That's I guess what I really want to do.
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It's too early.
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Too early.
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I know.
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It's tough.
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How have you been?
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I'm good.
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Good.
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We're um, you know, just kind of plugging away and we?
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Are you like me and the moss in my pocket?
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You are like Bob Dole.
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Well, it's yes.
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Jeff Hutchins is doing well.
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Jeff Hutchins thinks this is a great idea.
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Jeff Hutchins likes his peanut butter.
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Did you see that one Saturday Night Live with Norm MacDonald?
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Anyway.
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Okay.
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You're doing well.
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Yeah.
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So, Mark, we have a great guest.
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We have a great guest.
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We do.
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Let us dispense with this.
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And I've got to tell you this, because as many people probably know by now, Mark's military gene gets him there early.
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And for every action, there's an equal, equal and opposite reaction.
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And all those minutes he's early, I take advantage of and use sometimes on the other end.
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Maybe that's right.
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Well that makes us holistic.
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It does.
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It makes us whole slightly.
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Yeah.
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So, but one of the things though is I was talking to our guest earlier today.
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Okay.
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Well, her feels like cheating.
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It it well it does, but it kind of applies here because she used the word, sorry, I was tardy, and I was tardy.
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And then I started thinking about Van Halen and teacher.
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And her background is education.
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Okay.
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And I thought she used that like teacher tone, and like I was like, Yeah.
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I'm like, and she's got that in her still.
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She's like, there are times where she's like, nope, we're doing this, and we're like, we don't have a choice, do we?
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She's like, nope, you're doing it.
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You may have killed killed it for me because I think that song references.
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Yeah, don't go there, teacher.
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I thought about I'm not sure where I thought about this in the introduction, and I was like, I'm gonna get myself in trouble.
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But I was not another popular uh reference that we could use other than hot for teacher.
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It just sounds like that may undermine some of the things.
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She's gonna probably kill me when we get it.
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I'll ask her.
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I'll ask her about that.
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That's it.
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We are fortunate that you know, like we think about educators.
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If you think about a typical educator, you know, someone in the school system, that kind of stuff, what would you think of?
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Hmm.
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I think I probably think of someone uh who doesn't like their job because they deal with kids all the time and are frustrated and then you know, there are people out there who like kids, and administrators that aren't supportive, and parents that are disengaged, and I think of folks that don't make a lot of money and are probably overworked, and then use their own money because I'm married to a teacher.
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So you ask the question when I think of a teacher, I think of people that work really hard, that don't get recognized enough, that are probably underpaid, that are probably under-resourced and supported, but are people that are doing you know, quote unquote, God's work because it's educating and engaging the the minds of the next generation.
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Alright, who is your favorite teacher?
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Hmm.
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I don't know if I'm allowed to have just one.
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Alright, let's go.
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Elementary school.
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Elementary school, it would either be Mrs.
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Vaughn, first grade, she always gave hugs, it felt safe, and we had like little mats that we took naps on, which was so wonderful.
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Or Mr.
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Antikyre.
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Uh, because he was just very cool and chill.
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Alright.
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And he like took to task a kid who used to bully me.
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Alright.
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And I sort of had a lot of respect for him.
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Alright.
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That kid was never heard from again.
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That's right.
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He's buried somewhere in the playground.
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Nobody misses him.
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Okay.
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Alright.
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Middle school?
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A middle school.
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Probably.
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We're not gonna discuss it.
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Probably my English teacher.
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Okay.
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He's a rapper.
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Alright, high school?
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High school, my Spanish teacher.
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Although to be honest with you, and she was my Spanish two and three teacher.
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I I don't even remember her name, but but I did really well in a class, and I think like I liked kind of being playful, and so she played back, and that was a fun relationship.
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My Spanish four and five teacher was Mr.
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Puente.
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He was not very playful.
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And I I heard silencio, por favor, often.
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Senior angry pants.
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Pantalones.
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How about you?
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How about you?
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Uh Mrs.
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Hamilton, second grade, she was just amazing.
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And then um I loved her on Broadway.
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Oh, sounds amazing.
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Yeah.
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And then middle school.
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Those were kind of dark times.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We actually changed schools.
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Like we're our school got closed.
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Well, you had to after the incident.
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I imagine Jeff.
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You were like a hoodie.
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Yeah.
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But also kind of a nerd.
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Or you were, you know, ostracized.
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Oh, it's probably probably say Miss Linhart, the music teacher.
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Okay.
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So and then um that's sad.
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Sorry.
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Wow.
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How about high school?
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High school.
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I had a lot of great teachers in high school.
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You could only pick one.
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It's like Highlander.
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Is it bad that one of your favorite ones you can't remember her name?
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No, no.
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I told you my favorite was my Spanish teacher, and I can't remember her name either.
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There was a I had her for two years.
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The math teacher I had for two, like two years into high school.
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She was phenomenal.
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And for some reason, I'm just going blank on her right now.
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Okay.
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Anyway.
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All right.
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Well, we had our favorite teachers.
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I heard some unfortunate ones.
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They shall remain nameless.
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They're probably dead teachers.
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And I'm sure you are also their own favorites, similar, but I'm sure I was like, I am sure.
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Yeah.
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Well, fortunately, we have an amazing educator with us today who is probably gonna kill us because of this intro.
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But Rose is an educator, performer, entrepreneur, and a community leader whose career spans over 35 years.
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Are you sure about that?
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Yeah.
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It didn't sound convincing.
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Because I didn't say it well.
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Well, you know, I mean you said it well enough.
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You know that I don't I struggle in speaking.
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All right, in all seriousness.
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It was like North Carolina education.
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Most of it was New York legions programs.
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Okay.
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Well, you're probably part of a gang or something.
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It was New York.
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I was in the band in the orchestra.
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That doesn't count.
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Are you sure?
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Yeah, I'm 100% sure.
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Tell us a little bit more about Rose Young.
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She was born in Little Rock, Arkansas.
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She built her foundation in Fayville, spent 10 years teaching in elementary music.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Can you imagine teaching?
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You've heard, like, we've had kids take lessons like violin and clarinet in elementary school.
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I am having her take care of it.
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She is a saint.
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You're going to be doing like dough, a deer, a fiend.
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We're going to take you all the way up in there.
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But we've all heard, you're like, you you know that old joke that's like the three guys who are traveling down the Amazon, and one's like, What are you here for?
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And he goes, Oh, I I'm studying the plant life.
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I just find it fascinating.
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You know, I'm going to do this PhD on it.
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The other guy is like, Oh, I love the aquatic uh studies, so I'm going to get my PhD in this, and you know, this river's amazing.
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I honestly don't know where he's going post.
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And the third guy's like, What are you doing?
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He goes, Oh, I just got a kid who started clarinet lessons.
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Just wants to get me out of here.
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Yes.
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All right, so all the squeaks.
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Yeah, so then she this adventure for education led her to the Department of Defense education activity taken around the world to serve military families.
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I saw that.
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I saw she spent six years in Oakie, which is pretty cool.
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And and I definitely want to ask her about this taiko drum group.
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Yes.
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Very much so.
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I had to actually Google it to make sure that I was thinking of the right thing.
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Because immediate when you say taiko drums or Japanese drummers, I imagine these individuals on these ginormous side-turn drums and they're banging.
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You know, it's like the entry to I don't know, some sort of deat match or something super cool.
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Like that.
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Anyway.
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That's what I see her.
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Like that's often when I see her most often now.
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She's leading us into that.
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Yeah.
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Um I'm really good after Warner when she gets here.
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What?
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Yeah.
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I told her you were the smart one.
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She should not be ashamed of the kumite.
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That that's real.
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Okay.
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Like we can well, I don't know about the dim mock, the death touch, but definitely the kumite's real.
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All right.
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And then she was in Germany for 14 years teaching high school chorus, directing musicals, teaching piano and speech.
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Yeah.
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And I saw that she was a both a uh performer and maybe also teacher, but but was a performer in opera.
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Yeah.
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Which is pretty amazing.
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So hopefully like we do a little uh recola sort of thing or whatever.
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Isn't that right?
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We do like the big trumpets calling for the sheep.
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Is that opera?
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Maybe that's not.
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Maybe it's the Viking lady that I'm imagining.
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And then she finished her career at Fort Bragg.
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Yeah.
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That's kind of cool, right?
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You know, it's like you think like like traveling around the world certainly.
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Great adventure.
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Yeah.
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I know that like for the Dodd schools, there are a lot of spouses of military members that were teachers.
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So I'm I'm curious and interested to ask her a little bit about that.
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And or if this was no, this was her as a single person just going out on her single adventure.
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Yeah.
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All right, well, let's get to her.
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All right.
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Rose Young, welcome to Let's Pause.
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Thank you.
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I'm excited to be here.
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We are excited to have you.
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And I gotta be honest with you, I know we we referenced this earlier.
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Jeff and I always do a really poor job of trying to, you know, introduce our guests to the audience before they arrive.
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And Jeff started out talking about a Van Halen song.
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Well, it started with the word tardy.
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You know what I mean about that today.
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And then we went to a Van Halen song, and I was like, this is not gonna go.
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And I said, Jeff, are you talking about hot for teacher?
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And he's like, Yeah, so I'm already bossing again, so I'm like, oh.
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But do you know that Sider was like, I don't feel tardy?
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And then I was like, then I was like, uh because I was late to get here, as you know.
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Yes.
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So and so anyway, then then I was then it just went downhill.
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It went downhill.
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It went down, but we did talk about our favorite teachers, yeah, and we didn't really talk about our least favorite teachers because we wanted to keep it an elevated conversation.
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But Mark did, I said, What do you think about teachers?
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And he was like overworked, underappreciated by the administration.
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Went through all these things.
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I was like, This is really depressing, Mark.
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No, I you yeah, you asked me when I say teacher, what do you think of?
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And I guess you were looking for something like just focusing on the positive, like you know, like I see the life, you know, opposite of you.
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I guess, but having been married to a teacher myself for 34 years, you're right, like I know what at least what is like the teacher gouge and and my own spouse's experience, which was you don't make a ton of money.
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No, uh, and you are oftentimes using even some of your own money because the schools at least I'm sure it's true, but they oftentimes will say, Hey, we're we're under budgeted, we don't have money for crafts or for paper or for whatever.
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And so, you know, my wife buys books every year, uh, you know, just because someone else is not going to fund it.
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That's right.
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Anyway, that's right.
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I just heard today, this is just today.
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Oh, yeah, well, we have to buy our own paper for the copy machine.
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Yeah.
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That's happening right now.
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Yeah.
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So in So you're right.
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So I have positive thoughts, but I also have kind of contextualized negative feelings.
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I just don't know how this program is gonna go if Rose is already telling me that you're right.
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This is really uncomfortable for me, Mark.
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Yeah.
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Well, hopefully the audience remains critical and balanced.
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And they know that some of the time you're right too, Jeff.
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Yeah.
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On those rare occasions.
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That's right.
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It's like a broken watch.
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We'll we'll see.
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Yeah.
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That's right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, Rose, uh, despite the fact that we did a poor job.
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On the introduction.
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Yeah, in in in general, we did talk about the fact that you got into the the Dodds school system, and after spending 10 years in this area being a teacher, you went to Oki, you went to Germany, yes, and you ended up coming back here.
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And you have a long history in teaching and in music education, I do, but all a lot of other things as well.
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And we didn't get much into the other things.
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Okay.
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So could you give us, take a few moments and tell the audience a little bit about your background and life?
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So I wasn't here, I was in Fayetteville, Arkansas.
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Okay.
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That's where I did my 10 years at Root Elementary School.
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Okay.
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Which I thought was kind of cool because I did Fayetteville, Arkansas Elementary Music for 10 years, and there was a teacher there, a second grade teacher, and she had just got a job in this thing called Dodds, which is what it was called at the time.
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And she gave me this little green book with the red apple on it and said, you know, here you go, it's all about it.
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And I filled it all out and I was all excited about it and turned it in.
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I didn't hear from them, didn't hear from them, didn't hear from him.
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It was three years later.
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Real?
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Yes, three years later.
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They do.
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I had forgotten all about it.
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And I get this phone call, and we were in Fayetteville at the time, and uh, hi, is this Rose Young?
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Yes, it is.
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We would like to offer you a job as the middle school choir and drama teacher in Okinawa, Japan.
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I said, What?
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What?
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Okinawa Japan, you know?
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And um she said yes, and you know, you're lucky because it is the weekend, so you have until Monday, eight o'clock, to make your decision.
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She said, if it was Thursday, you'd have to tell me tomorrow, right?
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Wow.
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So I had the weekend.
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So I thought were you married at the time?
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I'm married, yes, married three kids.
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Okay.
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Mm-hmm.
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Married three kids.
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So this is the decision that Rose is making, not just for Rose.
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Correct.
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But for everybody.
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Oh, that's right.
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So our our eighth grade daughter, Emily, will actually hyperventilated.
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I mean, had to give her a paper bag to breathe into to calm down when we told her that we had decided to take it.
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But I called my husband and tell him, you know, this is what happened.
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What are we gonna do?
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Well, what is Okinawa?
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Where is that?
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I don't know.
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I know it's in Japan.
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I know about the war, you know.
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I had to go to the library.
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This was before I could, you know, type it in online.
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And I checked out a book about Okinawa Japan, and that's how I found out about it.
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Wow.
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That is crazy.
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Yeah.
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So we said yes, and I mean, that was fast and furious, you know, two months later, you you've been in the military, right?
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Right.
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So um, you know, I had to learn all these things, you know, T D Y, TQSA, you know, Cola, LQA, all of these acronyms that, you know, okay, well, this is gonna start happening.
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This, this, this, this, this.
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You gotta fill out this, you know, call this person, da-da-da-da-da-la.
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And uh, yeah, it was it was a whirlwind.
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And then in June, they fly us out, you know, and we were headed to Okinawa, Japan.
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My daughters were in eighth grade, fourth grade, and kindergarten.
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That's what uh years they would be going into when we got there.
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And what was your husband doing for work at the time?
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So my husband was actually working at Caterpillar um in Springdale, Arkansas, and he was like, Hells yes, let's go.
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All right, all right.
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So, yeah, and it was just for a one-year tour, you guys.
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We just said, Okay, it's a one-year tour.
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We can do anything for one year, you know, calmed our eighth-grade daughter down.
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I love the fact that they like he was following your lead in your career.
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I love that.
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Yeah, he was ready.
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He was like, Go, let's do it.
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All right, but one year, didn't stay one year.
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No, so one year, and so both of our jobs, uh, I was working at Root Elementary and he was at Caterpillar.
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Both of the jobs said, Okay, we you can come back and you can have your same job in the year that you come back.
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And then we went and thought, hmm, maybe we should do it one more year.
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And you know, 20 years later, we come home.
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Yeah.
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And uh, what did the girls think?
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Well, uh, the kindergartner one, you know, she was all in, and my little fourth grader, Joanna, she was like, Okay, one year, no big deal.
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And like I said, Emily, she had the hardest time, but she was going into eighth grade.
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You know, that's a hard time for kids.
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She had her friends, she had been going to the same school as everyone, you know, kindergarten through seventh grade.
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So she had all of that.
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So she was very upset, but she ended up meeting her now husband in high school, and you know, they've been married for 20 years now.
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Wow.
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All right.
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What did what did they think when you guys got over there?
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Because I mean, in terms of some people, it can be a significant adjustment.
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Oh, it's a huge adjustment.
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Japan in particular is a pretty different culture.
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Oh and even if you're kind of in the Dodds bubble, that doesn't mean you're not interacting with the community and that's right.
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So, how was that?
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Well, so I can remember flying in and we flew into Naha, and you know, you see you can't read anything in Okinawa.
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I mean, it's all kanji, right?
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All the signs are, you have no idea what is anything.
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And we walk off the plane and we were like hit with this, I don't know, heat and salt air and humidity.
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Whoom, you know, just the smells.
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And we were all deer in the headlights.
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I mean, all of us were.
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We were.
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Uh, we luckily had a very good sponsor.
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They picked us up, they had the sign, and they kind of just drug us through everything that we were supposed to do.
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You'll probably laugh at this, Mark, is that when I went to school for my first day, this was before school had started and everything, and I was trying to get my orders all set and everything and what I was gonna be doing.
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She said, Well, get out a copy of your orders and we'll go get your driver's license, all of this.
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And I said, orders?
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I I don't know.
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Orders, where would they be?
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You know?
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So we had packed our orders because we didn't I knew nothing about the military.
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Nothing.
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Well, you can't do anything without orders.
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Yeah.
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You can't do a thing.
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It takes longer for your stuff to get to you, right?
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Oh, yes, it does.
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About six weeks, right?
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And those are packed.
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Those are packed.
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So I would in a safe place.
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So I was able to, of course, access them, but yeah, that's how that's how little I knew.
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Well, that's tough too, because you're moving at a time when the internet isn't either isn't a thing yet or isn't as much a thing as well.
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That's right.
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You know, nowadays, even if you had packed your orders, you probably would have emailed yourself one or you would have you could log into a portal and download it or show somebody.
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Yeah.
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So uh yeah, that's it.
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Yeah, now this was 1996.
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So I had just gotten a computer at the public school I worked with in Fayetteville.
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And, you know, it was the big thing.
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Here's your computer.
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We don't know what you're gonna do with it, but here it is in your office.
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Don't bend the sloppy job.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Cabodore 64 or yeah, yeah.
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So, yeah, so that that was our first experience there.
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Have you ever been?
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Were you ever stationed there?
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Because you called it Oki.
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I did, I did, I did.
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I've traveled there a couple times, but really more for personal travel.
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I've been there once with the military, but never assigned there.
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But I am familiar with with Okinawan.
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It's beautiful, crystal clear, blue waters.
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The Okinawans, who are Okinawans, not Japanese, they like to call themselves Okinawans.
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So warm and welcoming.
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And to the family, I mean, it's just like a big hug.
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I'll I'll tell you one story.
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We were heading to the beach.
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We had just gotten there, right?
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And Mark was out looking for a job because there was a caterpillar there.
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So he was thinking maybe he could work at Caterpillar.
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He could not, but he was thinking that.
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So me and the girls thought, okay, we'll walk to the beach.
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It's just, you know, down the street.
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We'll just hop out on the road and walk.
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So we get out on, I think it's um, is it 51, the big main road?
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I don't remember.
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But we were walking and it was hot.
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It was, you know, July.
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We're walking, you know, oh, where is the beach?
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We're walking, walking, walking.
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We're exhausted.
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This little Japanese couple pulls over and you know, they said, Get in, we'll take you.
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And we just hopped right in, you know, just me and the girls hopped right in and they took us right to the beach.
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And, you know, I made Bart come get us, but yeah, I mean, just loving.
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Yeah.
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So teaching over there was so you're you're teaching military students or families?
00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:13.920
Yes.
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Okay.
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And uh what what did you experience different than when you were teaching traditionally in the States?
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What was your some of your things that you picked up on or thought was part of the fun or adventure of it?
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Well, the kids are a little bit more sensitive because one of their parents, you know, goes and what is that called?
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I don't even remember now.
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When you're when you have to go for a short stay somewhere or deployed.
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Deployed, yeah.
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Go you're deployed somewhere else, and so mom's there by herself taking care of the kids in a foreign country, and so they're a little bit more sensitive to that.
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And I also noticed when I moved to the high school that if you do something wrong at in school and you call mom and dad, well, there's a lot of support for the Teachers there.
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I mean, a lot of support.
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So they didn't do the same thing twice.
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That's nice.
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You know, there are multiple services over there.
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Are you supporting more marine families or army families?
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So in in my career, I got to do all four of the major services.
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Um, I started with the Air Force and I was at Kadena Middle School.
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That's where I went.
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And then before I left, I moved to the Marines and it was at Kubasaki High School.
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Okay.
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So when I went from Kubasaki, I went over to Rammstein, which was in Kaiserslaudern, Germany, back to Air Force, came here to Fort Bragg.
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That was my army experience.
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And then I um retired out of Dahlgren, which is the Navy base up in Virginia.
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Wow.
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So you you got them all.
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I got them all.
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And it's a big difference.
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I mean, the kids are different, the parents are different.
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Well, that's why that's why I asked, because when you said uh, you know, if a kid did something once, uh, you know, they probably didn't do it again.
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I was I was thinking in my head, well, that's probably the Marine Boy base that you're talking about.
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You were right, you were right.
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:24.799
It was Kubasaki High School that I was talking about, and a lot of times I would think twice about calling Roman dad.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because you might know that you've got a kid that with a pretty stern parent who's gonna lay down, and you gotta probably decide, is it that big of a deal?
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Exactly.
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And maybe you can even negotiate that with the kid.
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Yes.
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Like subtly to say, hey, I I don't want to have to call home.
00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:43.519
Yes, but it's exactly what it happens again.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And I learned that um the Air Force kids, they were quick to accept you and you know, bring you in and trust you, but if you messed up, you know, then that was that.
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:05.920
Where the marine kids were like, mmm, you know, let's wait and see how this goes.
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:11.359
Yeah, standoffish and and then they let you in.
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:12.079
Interesting.
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:12.720
All right.
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:17.759
So in your history, you've also you were the only American in a drum uh drumming group.
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:18.240
Yeah, yeah.
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:27.119
Yeah, so when I I I saw I saw that the the Tyco uh drum, I thought at the time, I is that the giant drum, whatever.
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.200
But I'm like, I'm just gonna Google it to make sure.
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:51.599
It is that that's exactly what I I told Jeff when I hear those, and it's it's movies, but when I hear those, I think of these big kind of theater kind of events, and for me, I'm a a martial artist or or was an Okinawan system, and it's it's kind of coming into some kumite or some kind of martial arts you know event or something like that.
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.480
I did say blood sport, but yeah, but anyway, I know I know like lots of things.
00:24:58.319 --> 00:24:59.039
Oh, oh.
00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.119
How did you how did you how did you get into that?
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:01.519
Yeah.
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:07.039
Well, uh, I always try and do something, you know, with the community, right?
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Wherever I am, and musical, because music is my thing.
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:20.720
And so my friend's daughter had been in the Tyco group, and she said, Oh, you know, let me introduce you to the Sensei, you're gonna love him.
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And it was actually all teenagers and you know, me.
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And some of the teenagers spoke English, Sensei, not so much, right?
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:37.920
So they would help me through, and and it was, I got to play the big giant gum uh drum.
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.759
Funny that the little small drum, though, that was for the professionals because they had to keep the beat.
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So I'm moving my hands back and forth so that you know you'd stay on beat.
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:57.519
And so they were kind of the metronome of the and I wasn't allowed to do that, right?
00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:09.200
I had to do the big drum, but then they would get these papers, and the papers would like span out six feet, and that was the music that you had to follow, and you're you know, moving the music down.
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It was so much fun.
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:19.279
And then we would go to big theaters and we would perform, and you know, we had a little outfit, and it was it was fun.
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:54.559
And then after the performance, we would all go somewhere together, the parents of the teenagers, me and I brought my family, of course, and um sensei, and we would, you know, have speeches, and they would all be in, you know, Japanese, so we didn't understand a word of the speeches, but there was all kinds of speeches and food and Orion beer and sake, and we always laugh that uh the more sake and Orion beer that we drank, the easier it was for us to talk to one another.
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:56.640
Pretty soon you understood all the Japanese.
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:58.799
I understood everything.
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:07.519
Now, let me uh make it clear it was not the teenagers drinking the Orion and the Saki.
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.640
What what I don't even know what the drinking age is in Japan.
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.160
You know I don't either.
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:13.920
Yeah, but but uh we understand.
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:14.400
We understand.
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:15.039
Yeah.
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.599
So that was that was the most fun though, is after the performances.
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:21.599
Just getting together.
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:29.519
So, you know, we focused uh because I guess the the drums get us into it, but music, as you said, that's really been kind of your your thing.
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:30.319
That's my thing.
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:35.359
And you've been a music performer as well as uh a music educator.
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.319
Talk to us a little bit about the music journey.
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.160
The music journey.
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.359
Well, I'll I'll tell on myself if you like.
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:47.279
Sure is so uh I'm an only child, right?
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:52.640
And so my parents were very hovering over everything I did, right?
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:59.039
So when I went to college in Fayetteville, Arkansas, I just I went a little crazy.
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:07.519
You know, I did because all of a sudden my parents weren't there telling me right from wrong, and you know it was a great thing.
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:08.240
Oh yeah.
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:18.559
And so I went a little crazy, and my um grade point average came out the first semester 0.79.
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:19.519
Okay.
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.519
Is that on a one-point scale?
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.799
Wait, is it I'm afraid it was four point square root club?
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.359
Do you what is there's a they we talked about this where I went to school, the square root club.
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.319
You take the square root of the GPA, it's higher than the GPA.
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.400
Oh I don't know if that falls into that.
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:40.480
Well, it was 0.79.
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:41.440
Yeah.
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:50.960
And I was told that uh, you know, you have one semester to bring that up, or you're coming home, right?
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.640
And at the time I was a communications major.
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.079
I wanted to be like, you know, a TV newscaster.
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:58.480
Yeah.
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:02.240
And so I thought, okay, well, music comes really easy to me.
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:09.359
So I'm going to change my major to music education, and that's how I did it.
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:10.480
Okay, nice.
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:11.119
Mm-hmm.
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.519
I mean, it was a meant-to-be thing, yeah, but that's how I did it.
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:24.160
So when I think of music education, I think of someone who's gonna go teach people, you know, and usually they have a musical skill or ability or something.
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:34.480
Were you also someone who was skilled in either singing or in playing particular instruments, or did that kind of come through that decision?
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:46.400
Well, I took uh, you know, piano growing up, and then when I was in high school, I was in a madrigal group that um and we sang and we performed all over the county.
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:55.519
This is Little Rock, Arkansas, and uh I did not have any professional, you know, like you know, training other than piano lessons.
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:02.640
Uh so but when you become a music major, you take voice lessons because vocal was my major.
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.240
So that's my first vo voice lessons was in college.
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.000
Were you already a good singer?
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:09.039
I yes.
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.519
Sing singing is a natural talent for me.
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.519
I've been fortunate enough to be as good as you, Jeff?
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.279
Uh oh gosh, I would not put myself.
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:18.400
Are you a singer, Jeff?
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:18.640
No.
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:19.279
Let's find out.
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:20.079
Is she a singer?
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:20.720
No, I'm not.
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:24.559
Well, I think I think remember you had to drag me up there for that thing.
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:26.640
Jeff, if you can walk, you can run.
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:28.079
If you can talk, you can sing.
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:28.480
Really?
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:29.359
I think that's a thing.
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.920
All right, we'll do a duet on this uh later, Mark, um, in the post.
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.559
I was hoping that Rose would take you through some stuff.
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:39.519
Maybe just do some pitch deals and the whole like Doe A Deer thing that we talked about.
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:40.880
Oh, Doe a Deer.
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:41.440
Yeah.
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.920
So you can be like a little von Trapp kid.
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:46.640
That's true.
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:47.279
That's true.
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:50.480
There he goes, right.
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:57.440
You also know, like when people say singing and whatever, my understanding too is you've you've actually sung an opera.
00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:58.319
I did.
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:09.519
So when we uh so typo was my thing on um Okinawa, and then we got a transfer to uh Rammstein Air Base over in Kaisersladen, Germany.
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:19.759
And uh there was a teacher friend of mine that was singing in the opera group at the Falts Theater, and he said, Oh, you gotta come and audition, and this is the most fun you'll ever have.
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:26.559
He was right, it was, and so I went and I auditioned and I made it into the A-Cor.
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:34.559
It was called Acor, and it's spelled E-C H O R, but it's pronounced A Cor, which was the extra chorus, right?
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:55.200
And so my first opera was Traviata, which was a lovely Italian opera, and I was um a Cortesone with this beautiful red dress on, and so you come in and they measure you for your outfits, and they put you in makeup and they do hair, and yeah, it's it's a big to-do.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:08.400
It was a lot of fun, and then you go out on the stage and you perform, and then you take a bus and you take it, you know, different places, and I performed in 10 operas total while I was in Germany.
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:09.599
How fun is that?
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:21.599
It was fun, and I, you know, got to know some lovely uh German people, and the Germans at the Falz Theater, they did not like me to speak English.
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.839
So even though I didn't speak German, right?
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:38.799
Just I miss in German, they would make me try, you know, I would have to try, and then once I tried, that helped me a little bit, but that really actually did help me learn German a lot better.
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.400
Now at this stage, one of your kids probably has graduated from high school, right?
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:42.799
Yes.
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:44.559
And where is she located at this point?
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:51.359
So Emily, our oldest daughter, she graduated um from Kadena High School in Okinawa.
00:32:51.680 --> 00:33:05.599
And then she came back home to the States and she went to TCU, and so we thought the quickest that I could get to her if she needed me was 36 hours.
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.000
And that was the fastest.
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.960
That is, you know, is everything worked perfect.
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:15.680
So let's put in a transfer and see if we can go to Europe instead.
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:21.039
And that's why we put in a transfer and we got it, which is very unusual.
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:21.920
That's great.
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:22.799
So yeah.
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.559
Because that's the earthing too is the stages of life where you are, and the kids are it's not like, oh yeah, I'm gonna I I got a kid in Raleigh.
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:29.599
Okay, I can scoot up and see him.
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.119
Like 36 hours.
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:32.720
36 hours.
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:33.119
Yeah.
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:45.200
And uh, you know, our other child, when we moved to Germany, we had a daughter going into sixth grade and a daughter going into tenth grade, and then Emily was going into college.
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:45.680
Okay.
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:46.160
Mm-hmm.
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:55.279
So yeah, and it was super hard for her because you know, the our family wasn't in Texas and we weren't there.
00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:00.720
So uh let's say Thanksgiving comes up and you know she's getting three days off.
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.039
Well, she can't fly home, we can't fly there.
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:04.000
What does she do?
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:04.400
Right.
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:04.880
Right?
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:05.440
Right.
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.119
So there were some hard times for the girls.
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:09.519
Yeah.
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.119
How long did you last in Germany before you came back state south?
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.800
We were 14 years in Germany.
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:16.320
So we were six years.
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:17.760
So your German should be pretty good.
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.719
Uh no, no, still ein bisschen Deutsch, yeah.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.639
Still Ein bisschen Deutsch.
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.280
Well, you did 20 years abroad, which is really 20 years abroad.
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:25.920
That is.
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:26.639
Yeah.
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:36.079
So it's funny because when someone was just talking about the other day about, oh, don't you remember when this, you know, huge event happened in America?
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.920
I'm like, uh oh, the great peanut butter scare.
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.199
That's what she was talking about.
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:46.400
The peanut butter scare when you know you couldn't buy GIF and you couldn't buy Skippy.
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:47.280
Do you guys remember that?
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:48.320
I vaguely remember.
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:55.199
There was something about we were talking about Girl Scout cookies, and nobody wanted to buy the peanut butter Girl Scout cookies.
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:56.480
And don't you remember that?
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.800
Uh I I think I missed that.
00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.119
Yeah.
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:08.960
You know, and then 2008, you guys remember that when big crash and all, you know, that did not come to us.
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.480
We missed all that.
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:10.800
Yeah.
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.679
So commercials, there's no commercials, you know.
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.440
AFN channel.
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:17.760
Yeah.
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:23.679
But we knew everything about the states because, you know, instead of a commercial, you'd have the state quiz.
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:24.559
Right?
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.760
Jeff, the AFN is the the Air Force, I'm sorry, not the Air Forces, I want to say the Armed Forces Network.
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:30.079
Yes.
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.119
So it's it's a God-related kind of programmed.
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:34.400
Yeah, right.
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.840
So they didn't do commercials, but they taught you stuff.
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:46.639
So, you know, we learned about the why the corn husk doll doesn't have a face, and you know, like I said, the state quits.
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.280
All the critical things that you really want to have.
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:49.760
I don't know.
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:56.559
I don't know, but it seems like Rose needs to be on our trivia team when when they they uh they don't ask that question.
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.639
Yeah, well, US geography or US, yeah.
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:00.000
Yeah.
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.360
So you you came back.
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.000
Did you come back and do Dodd stuff after?
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:05.440
I did, yeah.
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:06.639
So that's how I got here.
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:07.039
Okay.
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:14.639
So which I thought was kind of full circle because I started with elementary music in Fayetteville, Fayetteville, Arkansas, but Fayetteville.
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:23.679
And then when I came back to America 20 years later, I was in Fayetteville doing elementary music again, but Fayetteville, North Carolina.
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.440
So Fort Bragg brought me here.
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:43.440
And how how many years did you I did five years when we got back, but what happened was in as in mil many military families, my husband got a job up at Quantico, Virginia, and I got a job here in Fort Bragg, right?
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:48.719
And so we were separated, so we thought, okay, if you can get a job down here, you'll come down here.
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.599
If I get a job up there, and I got a job up there.
00:36:51.840 --> 00:37:01.440
So I was here for only uh I got here in 2017, January, and then by the following school year, I was up in Dahlgren.
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:02.400
Okay, Virginia.
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.519
So you didn't you didn't have to do five years separated from each other.
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:10.880
No, no, we we just did uh you know about eight months separated, which was hard enough.
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.800
Yeah, but what brought you back then after being in Virginia?
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:22.639
Well, when we got here, it was actually cheaper for us to buy a house than it was to rent a house down here.
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:24.400
So COVID.
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:25.679
Yes, yes.
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.559
So I bought a house here and then Mark bought a house in Virginia, right?
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.199
And we loved it here.
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:40.960
So we kept that house, even though I went up there and worked, you know, for four more years up in Virginia.
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:50.400
We kept our house down here, and then we would come all the three-day weekends, and then I'd spend summer down here, and we did we loved it here.
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:51.760
Yeah, and still do.
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.159
So this was gonna be kind of like then the retirement?
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.159
This was their retirement place.
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.119
Okay, all right.
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:58.800
I am retired, sorta.
00:37:59.039 --> 00:37:59.840
Yeah, well, sorta.
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:01.199
I don't know about that.
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:16.719
Yeah, you know, uh, I mean, we haven't even yet talked about Rosemark and and any of the other the various hospitality, uh, you know, event planning type stuff and the the benevolent kind of work where you're you know supporting organizations.
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.559
So you're a great example of not retiring but repurposing.
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.920
So kind of I like that.
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.679
Yeah, so tell us a little bit about like what's the next purpose, what's the next adventures that you're you know, kind of keeping you busy.
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:28.239
Okay.
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:29.599
In addition to hanging out with me.
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:30.239
Yeah.
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:37.920
Well, I have to tell you, if you're moving to a new place, because I came here and I was all by myself, right?
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.360
Um, Mark was up in Virginia, and I didn't know anybody, you know.
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:53.920
And so, unlike when I moved from Okinawa to uh Germany, Ramsign Germany, there was still some overlap, you know.
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:59.760
Uh, and there were teachers there that had been in Okinawa and understood where you were.
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.599
I actually taught the daughter of a kid that I taught in Okinawa.
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.840
So I mean, son.
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:16.000
I taught someone's son in Okinawa, and then when I got to Ramstein, I taught their daughter, so it was in the same family.
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.079
So the military is pretty small in that way.
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:26.719
So um, but when I came here, boom, you know, I knew nothing, nobody.
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.159
And so I highly recommend, which is what I did.
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:42.960
I noticed first of all that here, and you've probably noticed too, is that our community is so I don't know what is the word, supportive of small businesses.
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:54.400
I mean local, shop local, and a lot of military families come and open businesses, and there's so much support for that, and that was just amazing to me.
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.719
And so I joined a networking group.
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:02.639
I joined um Talks Networking Group, and at the time we had no idea what business we wanted to do.
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:11.440
We were talking about a general store or what we were gonna do, and so I joined them and you know, kind of listened.
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.719
And I said, Oh, you know, you can really have any kind of business.
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:21.199
There was someone's business who, you know, edited for people, and then you know, there's so many things that you can do.
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:36.559
So I thought, well, for 35 years, I've been pretty much planning events, you know, choir concerts, I did musicals at the high school, and so that kind of seemed to fit, and that's how Imagine More Events came up.
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:42.639
And we decided Rosemark Plus, because my husband's name is Mark, Mark Rose Plus didn't sound good.
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:51.119
So Rosemark Plus would be our parent company, and then under there we would do whatever we wanted to do with that.
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:52.480
Yeah, so that's what we did.
00:40:52.639 --> 00:41:05.519
So the event company started first, Imagine More Events, and I wanted to do business, you know, events, not weddings, but business events, and so being in that networking group really helped.
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:11.840
And then also I highly recommend finding a nonprofit that you love.
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:18.320
So I got involved in koanas at the time, and you know, they're also very supportive.
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.760
And you know, oh, have you heard about this person, this person, that person?
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.360
Call them, you know.
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.920
So do something that you love.
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:27.760
I mean, that's the thing.
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:37.199
Do something that you love, and you're gonna meet people and they're gonna bring you in, and then you know, makes for a happy life.
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:51.599
Yeah, I you know, the the impression I got before meeting you, and I would say the impression is is I don't know, reinforced, is that you are just a person that enjoys connecting to all kinds of things and people.
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:56.800
Like this is just a lot of of who you are because you had these amazing experiences, right?
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.440
But it seems like they didn't just happen.
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:08.239
You know, whether it started with an uh a three-year-old application to the Dodds thing or not, you kept sort of saying yes to things and and sort of taking a few things.
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:09.920
You gotta say yes, yeah.
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:10.800
Yeah, it's great.
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:17.280
Yeah, I I say that I live a a fantasy life because I mean I think I really do.
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.840
Yeah, you know, things here here you go, you know, do this.
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.599
Oh, okay.
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.119
Let me try it.
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.440
Well, I think about just the courage to make a decision.
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:45.199
Like, first of all, I love like the fact three years to get the information, you got like 48 hours to make the decision, and then making the decision, like that leap of faith that is such a different trajectory than you were earlier that day.
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:46.559
Right, that's so true.
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.880
Within 48 hours, like a total different trajectory to say yes to something that is nowhere on the radar screen.
00:42:52.960 --> 00:43:01.760
And I think the courage that takes, but also the willingness to take that leap, there's something I can't imagine a lot of people would have said yes.
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:02.400
Yeah.
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:03.679
I think you're right.
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:08.960
I I was trying to think of I I feel like I wish more people would do that.
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.639
Yeah, you know, take those opportunities.
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.920
It probably helped.
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:18.000
This is my I'm projecting, but like it probably helped that your your family would go with you so that a big chunk of your life.
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:23.760
Absolutely, it wasn't just Rose like doing this thing all by herself, right?
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:31.199
Which which could have been even scarier, but at least you had kind of a partner in crime and you had like a package of your life all going there.
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:31.920
Absolutely.
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.079
It makes a huge difference.
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:34.719
Yeah.
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:47.519
And you know, I found that when you we took our family, right, and we became such a close knit unit because you know, you count on each other that it's all you have at that point.
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.119
And so it really made the family close.
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.480
You know, it was uh it's what a crucible moment, right?
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:55.679
You went through all of this together.
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:57.119
All this together, yeah.
00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:57.360
Right.
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.039
Like we all did this.
00:43:59.280 --> 00:43:59.519
Right.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:12.800
And imagine though, I mean, I I truly believe in meant to be, because listen, my daughter met her husband and now they have three kids, our grandkids.
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:20.960
Well, those three kids wouldn't have been here if we hadn't of gone to Okinawa, or would they have, they would have met somewhere else.
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:21.679
I don't know.
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:30.559
But I mean that happened, and she's the one that went kicking and screaming, and you know, we gotta get home, we gotta get home.
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:31.679
And yeah.
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:32.159
Yeah.
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:40.239
Uh you already did it a little bit when you made some recommendations for people that would be interested in starting a small business and exploring those things.
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:50.000
But if you had to give advice to the audience that's out there, just things that you've learned uh in life as well as maybe in business, what would those things be?
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:51.840
Like what are some things that you would say?
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.119
I'm really, you know, I would encourage people to do X.
00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:04.079
Well, I would definitely encourage people to talk to someone that is in the business that they are interested in starting.
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:09.519
So if I want to become a real estate agent, I would go and talk to real estate agents, right?
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:16.880
Or if there's not anyone that you want to start a brand new business, look and see, okay, they're successful.
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:18.239
Why are they successful?
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.360
Let me go talk to them, let me go ask them some questions.
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:40.880
It's all about communication, it's all about not being scared to ask the questions and find out what the answers are, and then also being able to say, all right, that's not my plan, but I'm gonna give that a try anyway and see what happens.
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:47.519
And then I also find that we get so worried about getting started.
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.360
You know, this could go wrong.
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:50.880
I don't have any money.
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:53.440
What is the world doing today?
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.599
You know, how am I gonna do it with all this going on in our world today?
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:05.039
Well, we get so worried about those kinds of things that we get all in our head and then we just never get started.
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:09.679
So you have to take that first step, you know, you have to take the first step.
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:10.800
And guess what?
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.039
If it doesn't work out, it is not the end of the world, you know.
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.079
If it doesn't work out, try something different.
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.559
That's a super good point.
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:31.519
I was just having this conversation with one of my kids to remain nameless, and they were from my perspective, they were just not starting something that seemed like an obvious thing.
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:39.039
And behind it, I was kind of maybe surmising a f a fear that they would fail if they started it.
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.159
And so, you know, the best way to not fail is to just never try.
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.280
And but but that's not a great way to live life.
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.039
And I was trying to encourage them life is about failure.
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:56.639
Like it's not it's not a question of like if, it's just when and how much, and then when you do, can you pick yourself up, like that great Batman quote?
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.280
You know, and then and then move forward and learn from it.
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.599
And so, yeah, it's great great advice.
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:07.599
Yeah, I mean, we get so worried about failing, and I am too.
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.360
I I'm worried about that too.
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.840
You know, you get so worried about, oh, I'm a failure, but that's not what it is.
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.000
Failing does not make you a failure.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.800
Failing just means that wasn't right.
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:30.079
Yeah, you know, so how are you gonna make it right, or how are you gonna change or tweak to where it does work, or maybe you have to completely try something different, but it's learning.
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.559
That's what failing is is learning.
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:32.880
Right.
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.400
And I think the people who figure that out are the ones that are successful.
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:37.599
Don't you?
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:38.239
I do.
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:39.039
Yeah, Jeff.
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:40.320
Don't you?
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:41.679
I I do.
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:46.239
I actually I think that the uh there what's the expression out there, fail fast.
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.199
You know, so it's that you get the opportunity to learn.
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:54.639
And I've asked people recently, um, where do you learn your where do you learn the most from?
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:55.440
It's from your failures.
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.159
It's not if everything's going smooth, you're like, yep, um, you know, like they're usually probably not that skilled, right?
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.960
The people who've gone through like, oh, this is a total crap show.
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:04.000
Oh, how do I respond to this?
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:04.800
What's this look like?
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.519
Those are the folks who really have a lot of skill sets.
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:07.840
Yeah.
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:16.400
I think it's one of the things I know every now and then on this podcast we we reference Elon Musk just because he's an entrepreneur, and I know we've talked about how crazy he is, also.
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.119
But one of the things he's great at two things can be true at once.
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:23.199
Well, one of the things great is he is is encouraging failure to to learn from it.
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:33.119
Like he'll the first thing he said when like the last hundred million dollar rocket blew up was like the the reporters rushed in and said, Gosh, what are you gonna do with this failure?
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:34.639
What do you what you know what do you think went wrong?
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.400
And he's like, This is the best thing that could have happened because now we're gonna learn a bunch of stuff.
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:38.639
Right.
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:45.920
Had it gone well, we wouldn't have known as much necessarily why it had gone well and if it could have been just one step away from a failure.
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:51.840
But yeah, but now we're collecting all kinds of great information so that we'll be even better the next time, which is just a great attitude.
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:52.159
Yeah.
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:52.559
Yeah.
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.480
Anyway, and look how successful he is.
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:55.039
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:56.800
Yeah, he sees he seems to be doing all right.
00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:59.039
He'll probably get by.
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:16.880
Anyway, Rose, we reference this phrase often on this podcast, which is finding the extraordinary and the ordinary, in just kind of like the fact that people live regular lives but have extraordinary adventures and extraordinary experiences.
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.280
And we we really appreciate getting a chance to kind of walk through some of yours.
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:22.639
Oh, yeah, thank you.
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:23.199
Yeah.
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:27.119
You know, I don't talk about living overseas a whole lot.
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:41.360
We found that when we came home for the summers, because we always got to come home for the summer, uh, and we started talking about it, that the people that hadn't experienced it before couldn't listen.
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.440
I mean, it was a it was a weird thing.
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:50.000
It was like, you know, it would they would just stop listening and you know so we'd stopped talking about it.
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.320
And we found that, you know, we just I don't talk about it a lot because of that.
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:58.159
No, I I've known you for more than what, nine months or something like that.
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.039
It was like in the last six weeks, I'm like, wait, what?
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:02.719
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:08.559
20, wait, 20 years you lived over since you were like, you know, I was like trying to get my head wrapped all around that.
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:18.559
And kind of echoing something that Mark talked about, one of the things I think that you bring to things, like you have a I'm gonna use the word joyfulness, like to how you want to be.
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:24.400
When you do stuff, you have this being that I can imagine as a teacher that we talked about our favorite teachers.
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.719
I have a feeling that you are a lot of people's favorite teacher.
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.719
Um because you have this sense of fun all the time.
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:36.239
But also, just so you know, on the side note, I've also seen the serious side where I can respond to you very quickly, hopefully.
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:50.239
Uh Jeff must have um been very good in school because whenever I I haven't heard Jeffrey yet, but whenever I say Jeff, you need to do this, he's like, okay.
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.800
There's sort of like a teacher tongue that comes in.
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:54.960
I I'm familiar with that tone.
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:56.559
You get the teacher tone.
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.320
I actually felt Were you good in school?
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.000
Uh yeah, I would say for the most part.
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.039
But like at better than a point seven nine.
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:11.519
Um I might have left one school in a 1.8 and then recalibrated at another school.
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:12.639
So yeah.
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:15.280
I can appreciate um experiencing a lot of fun.
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.880
And I do pull out the teacher uh when I need it.
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.039
You know, the teacher never goes away.
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.760
And my kids and my husband say, you know, stop teaching us.
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:27.280
Stop teaching us.
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:28.239
Yeah.
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.880
You probably, whatever the expression is, you can't take the teacher out of the whatever and vice versa.
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:34.719
Does your wife teach her you?
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:37.280
I wouldn't call it that.
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:37.760
Yeah.
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.039
Well, she's child development, so she still uses escal all the time.
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:41.280
Yes.
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.320
Probably and probably she probably just sort of subtly reinforces behavior.
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:49.519
Oh my gosh.
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.199
Rose, this was so much fun.
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:51.760
Thank you.
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:52.559
This is great.
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.599
Thank you for actually, I would say, all your service too.
00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:07.840
Like you have this is such a unique career that you've had that was all you know, supporting the military and the military families and that kind of thing, and then also kind of listening to the story where, oh no, recognize some families in a different part of the world too, and that kind of thing.
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.159
So just what a cool career.
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:17.840
And and just again, I'm gonna echo for your husband, Mark, to like follow your lead and support your career.
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:21.280
I would say, especially at that time, like of in the 90s, right?
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:21.679
Right.
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.079
It like, I just how awesome is that?
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:24.480
Yeah.
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:25.119
I just love it.
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:37.199
He absolutely did, and he just he recognized that you know I had supported him, and you know, when he was working on his career, and he said, Okay, you know, we can do this.
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.719
And then he ended up coming up with a whole new career.
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.159
I mean, it it brought things to him as well.
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:45.920
So open mind.
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:48.800
You know, that's that's what I found.
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:49.840
Open mind.
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.880
Let your mind just see what happens.
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:53.599
All right.
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:54.559
Well, thank you again.
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:55.440
Thank you.
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:56.480
It's been a lot of fun.
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:57.760
All right, thanks, Rose.
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:05.280
She is a ball of energy, and just I seriously, one of the things she talked about, I can't remember if she talked about it while she was on there or off there.
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.639
Like, she didn't talk about it with friends like when they came home for the summers.
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.920
Like, I really didn't know that she lived abroad for 20 years, did that part of her career, and because they kind of got in the habit of not talking about it.
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:23.920
Well, I actually thought we were gonna probably talk more about the imagine more events and and the hospitality business and all the rest, which we got into a little bit.
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:35.840
But um, but yeah, really so interesting and and almost kind of funny, uh, takes me back because that same time frame that she was moving overseas is when I was getting into the military as well.
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:42.960
And so that kind of mid-90s, where the internet's not yet a thing, and so paper paper orders are a big deal.
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:47.760
Yeah, and uh and the idea that somehow she would have applied and three years would go by.
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:48.559
Oh my gosh.
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:55.119
And then the DOD would reach back out and say, Oh, if you're interested, you got three days to you know to make the call and we'll send you to Japan.
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:56.559
I mean, it just nutty.
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:02.239
I mean, funny, but yeah, I I I wonder like if we would have said yes.
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.960
Like, I really I think several in 96.
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.320
I think well it's just us two.
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.320
I'm sure we would have, I hope we would have said yes.
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:16.960
Yeah, yeah, the three-year thing, the three year, and then calling and saying you have the job, like I'm like interviewed, just like what could have happened those last three years?
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:20.960
Like that's a really good point, despite the four DUIs.
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:26.239
Or like the you know, but uh it's like I I just I'm sure there was like a further conversation.
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:31.440
But it's um but she is like I can you imagine having her as a teacher too?
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:32.960
She would have been so much fun for as a teacher.
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:35.440
Well, unless she got on her bad side, yeah.
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.679
Well it's I mean we didn't see a bad side, but like she's she said she gets a Jeff tone.
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:41.199
Yeah, yeah, which I deserve.
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:41.840
Yeah, as well.
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:43.039
So true.
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:49.599
She said that her one of her kids is pretty fluent in uh in Japanese and German too.
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:50.800
I thought yeah, yeah.
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:52.559
So that what a gift for the kids too.
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.239
Well, I think that's really it, right?
00:54:54.320 --> 00:55:04.239
That's that's almost to parents, oftentimes the bigger selling point is is giving the global citizen experience to their children.
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:11.360
So it's sort of like, hey, we live in the arguably the greatest nation on the earth, but obviously I'm biased when I say that.
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:23.039
There are a lot of great nations on this earth, and what a great way to have perspective on the good and the bad of your country by going to another person's country and getting a sense of that.
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:26.159
And um, yeah, what a what a great gift, as you say, to the kids.
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:27.199
Yeah, for certain.
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:36.000
Mark, what if you had to do something like that Rose and her husband, Mark, had to do, like when the 48 hours you're making a decision, like, oh, here we go.
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:50.320
This is gonna be totally I've certainly been given uh short notice trips and deployments and things like that, and and there have been events that have emerged just like they they do for any military person, especially during wars.
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:57.679
I when you said it, I was thinking, when I was brand new in the Air Force, I got called by our detailer.
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.320
That's the person that basically cleans the cars.
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:03.199
No, okay, that's the person that gives you your jobs.
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:09.679
Okay, and and and sort of it's a central personnel office, and they still like okay, you now have orders to X.
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:10.800
Yeah.
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.679
And I had not been in the Air Force for more than a year.
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.079
I think it was called Twitter back then, but keep going.
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:17.280
Maybe.
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:28.320
Uh and our detailer contacted me and said, Hey, you've got non-vol, so non-voluntary orders to Koonsan Air Base in Taigu, Korea.
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:34.800
And I was married and Laura was pregnant with one of our kids.
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:40.239
I think maybe we had we had one, and she was pregnant with number two.
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.440
And I'm like, what?
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:43.920
And like, yeah, it's a it's a remote assignment.
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:56.960
So your spouse can't come, kids can't come, and it was gonna be two years in this really like not in Osan, where you uh Osan Airbase is is in a you know a large uh metropolitan place.
00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:58.320
Tegu is not.
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.920
Kun San is is kind is is this remote place.
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.719
And I'm like, I I don't I don't want to do that.
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:05.360
I can't do that.
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:10.400
Like, yep, well, and it wasn't three days, but it was I think maybe two weeks.
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:17.920
And it was like, okay, but I was being told, like, unless you can give me a name of someone who's gonna take it instead of you, it's not an option.
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:19.920
You're gone, you have to go.
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.639
And um what would you have been doing?
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:24.639
I mean, I would have run a mental health clinic.
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.840
I was a psychologist, so I I mean I would have run some small little behavioral health or mental health clinic.
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:31.599
Obviously, it was needing that part of all.
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:32.239
Oh, I'm sure.
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:35.840
I was sure everybody was trying to cut themselves in that place, right?
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:38.800
Just kidding, just kidding.
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:42.320
The point being is it probably wasn't a very pleasant place.
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.000
That's what I was imagining.
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:53.920
So, I mean, that was a I was able to ultimately get out of it, but it was extremely stressful and a lot of pressure for you to for me to make the decision and and just say yes what I didn't want to at all.
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.519
Yeah, I think also, by the way, you mentioned like what would you guys have done?
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.400
I think we might have gone also to Japan at that time.
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:10.239
Like, that would have been appealing, and the idea of going overseas, especially when we either didn't have kids or we had just a couple little ones that felt more mobile.
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:11.519
No, that was a lot of fun.
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.280
It was it's really again, people might find this phrase offensive.
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.440
I've I've oftentimes thought about not saying it.
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:21.920
This this idea of finding the extraordinary in the ordinary, because no one wants to be like, well, my ordinary.
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:23.440
And I don't mean it that way.
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.480
I would call it call myself the same and Jeff the same.
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:31.440
That like just normal people with with just these extraordinary moments, yeah.
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:41.519
But they're all over the planet, like all eight billion of us, or whatever the number is, we all are have the extraordinary within the ordinary.
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.280
Yeah, and I think it's just really fascinating.
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Unless you pull it out of somebody and and have them talk about it, they would just be walking along and you would just never know that story.
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Yeah, it's yeah, and I think Rose and her husband that like have have that experience in that life.
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And um, so I remember some guy, oh yeah, I was the first civilian hired by NASA.
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I'm like, excuse me.
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Like that's like, yeah, how do you get like how do you you're the first that like NASA civilian employee?
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That seems pretty important.
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Uh so you know, there's like people have all these experiences, so it's pretty cool.
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Yeah, yeah.
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All right, Jeff.
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Uh well, a lot of fun.
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Great guest, as always.
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Wonderful to spend the time with you.
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All right, good to see you, man.
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