News PsyOP & Optimistic Eschatology - Jay Dyer and Dean Arnold

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Dean Arnold. All right. Dean Arnold podcast. October 5th. It's
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going to be a big day. And I think I
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got all my ducks in a row, but I didn't
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duck so well here at the very beginning. Um, But
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we'll have some fun on this October 5th Dean Arnold podcast.
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And as you'll see below, today we're going to interview
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Jay Dyer, rising cultural star. We'll talk about all that.
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I've sent Jay a link. I'd like to think I
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sent him the right link, but you just never can
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tell in this crazy day and age. But I expect
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to see him pop on the screen here in a minute.
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I'm running for Congress. DeanArnoldForCongress.com is where you go and give, like, share,
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and subscribe. Appreciate that. comments and questions always welcome. I'm
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guessing we might get a few today. Uh, if Jay
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pops in as we're expecting, um, let's see.
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Um, yeah.
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Jay, I'm going to send you a second link, which
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is the same link. Um, so I'm not sure why
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I'm sending it, but I am sending it. And, uh,
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I'm bringing sanity to an insane world. Jay Dyer is
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one of the most sane people I've ever met. That's
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in contrast to a lot of what you'll read online.
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People who think he's a nut and don't like him
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at all. But hey, that's their problem. There's Jay. Picture
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of Jay. And we're waiting for him to pipe in,
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which he hasn't yet. But I think he will. Let's
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bring in some other pictures of Jay while we're waiting.
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Jay Funny. There's a Jay Funny pic. And let's do
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another one. Jay is a comedian as well as a
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philosopher and a theologian and an Orthodox Christianity apologist. He's
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a lot of things. There you go. Uh, what else
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we got here? Um, I couldn't find a picture of
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him as Pope. He used to have this Pope hat
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picture that was one of my favorite pictures. And, uh,
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it's not around right now, but while we're waiting for
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Jay to pop in, I'll go ahead and do the bio. Um,
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cause that takes a while. He's a rising cultural star
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is what I've put down there, uh, which is interesting
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because all you younger people who are tuning in today,
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because you're excited about this podcast, uh, You know, everybody's
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raving about Jay Dyer, but the boomers don't even know
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who he is. I mean, what are you going to do?
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That's the kind of bifurcated world we live in right now.
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The boomers don't know what's going on. Jay has entered
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the studio. So, oh, where'd you go, Jay? I just
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had a button for you. And he won't let me
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bring you in. Add to stage. Are you there?
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Yeah, I'm here.
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Unmute! Unmute! I saw a meme where they were screaming
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unmute with your picture because you always have to tell
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people to unmute. Okay. Welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you. Glad to be here. How are you today?
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I'm doing great, man. It's good to hear your voice.
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Thank you.
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Likewise.
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We should have a good time just talking about fangs.
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Let me finish the bio. I was working on your bio.
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Jay has 228,000 YouTube subscribers and 137 X subscribers. He
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was recently on Tucker Carlson, which was a big deal.
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And that was exciting. Tucker has also interviewed Josiah Trenum, Fr.
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Josiah Trenum and Fr. Stephen DeYoung. They're both priests. And
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the third Orthodox person, as far as I'm aware, you
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might tell me about another one, is Jay. And Jay
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has a lot more liberty than a priest to talk
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about all kinds of things, you know, politics and geopolitics
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and conspiracy theory and all sorts of stuff. He said
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all Tucker wanted to talk about was Orthodox Christianity, which
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was fascinating. You guys also, some of you know Jay
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as appearing every Friday on the Alex Jones Infowars podcast.
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Indeed. Six years. That's true. Six.
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Holy smokes. He's kind of the debate king. he's debated
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just about everybody except the ones who refuse to debate him.
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And he always seems to win. Uh, the part about, uh,
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Jay that I like, I mean, philosophy, theology, conspiracy theory,
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Christian apologetics, uh, politics. I mean, he, he talks about
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everything and is an expert really in a lot of things. Uh,
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but he's also a comedian and, uh, people forget that part. And, uh,
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in high school, he was kind of weaned on, um, uh, improv, comedy, improv.
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I think you did. Did you go to the state
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finals or win something?
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Yeah, we did a few times. I think, I think
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we won a couple of times at the tournaments, but
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I remember exactly which tournaments that, that, that was, that were,
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that was, but, uh, yeah, that was, that was mainly
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what I was interested in in high school was just
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clowning around. Um, and so I think, you know, over time,
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what we've done over here on my, my channel is
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just kind of, let more and more of our personalities out,
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both me and Jamie. So that's just, you know, that's
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who I actually am as more of a class clown.
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If I'm not talking about geopolitics or theology, that's the
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only two things I really care about, or I'm serious
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about pretty much everything else. I'm just kind of having fun.
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Well, that's beautiful. I love comedy improv. I always have, um,
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by the way, I'm having to put you down as
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a smaller screen down there because, uh, my, my technology
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is acting weird and the, uh, everybody else can hear
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your audio fine, but I can't hear your audio fine
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unless I got you small. So I'm gonna keep you down. Um,
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Jay is also, this is a very important part of
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his bio. He is the emperor of Wigxantium. And, uh,
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I'll just let, uh, the audience deal with that. And, uh,
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and then the final thing, I'm gonna bring you back
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up and see how we do. Uh, the final thing is, uh,
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because people ask me this question all the time, Jay.
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I'm Jay's godfather. He's my godson in the Orthodox Church.
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Is that guy for real? Is he authentic? Is he
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for real? And I'm like, yeah, he is, man. He's
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for real. He loves the Lord. He's trying to do
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the right thing. He's out there serving the Lord. He
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doesn't get everything right. None of us get everything right.
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You know, and You got to just bear with them sometimes.
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But overall, man, this guy is he is on the level.
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So that's the end of my bio for you is
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that you are for and on the level. All right.
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Questions and comments always welcome for this podcast. And I'm
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guessing I'm going to have a few. And if you
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guys get a question and just be thankful because, you know,
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it could have been a super chat. I haven't been
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able to set up super chats yet. What I should
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have done is had my super chats ready and I
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could have made money off your back. but that didn't
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happen today. Let's see what the first comment is before
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we get going. King Byzantium, emperor, king, monarch. Can I
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be the pope of Byzantium, patriarch? Can I be the patriarch?
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I guess a reader could be a pope. That's possible.
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And BIPOC queen. Jesus, as he always says, let me
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bring that up. I don't know what that means. Do
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you know what that means, Jay?
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Yeah, I identify as a black woman.
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BIPOC queen.
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If I was a black woman, I've been just joking
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about that for forever.
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What does BIPOC stand for?
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Black Indigenous People of Color. It's like a woke term.
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Ah, gotcha. Okay. All right. So we're going to have
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a little time here just talking about a few issues,
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nothing big. And as I told Jay, the main reason
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I'm having him on, you know, amongst Brotherhood and have
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fun and ask questions is he brings a big following
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and I need help with my campaign. And so all
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you followers out there, uh.
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You taking on Don Trump next year?
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I'm taking them on, man. Um, they all need to
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be taken on. Um, but I, uh, I'm in district
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four of Tennessee, which is Bradley County, Hamilton County, Blount County,
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Monroe County, Anderson County, uh, a few other counties. I
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should list them all, but it's kind of, uh, the
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right side of Tennessee, but not the farthest right. And
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it goes all the way up almost to the Kentucky border.
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But if you're in any of those areas, Cleveland, Tennessee, Chattanooga, Tennessee, Athens, Tennessee, Sweetwater,
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Oak Ridge is a big one.
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If you're over there in the mountain people, all the
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hill people.
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All the ornery mountain people, then go to my website
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and give and go out there and tell people, vote
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for me on the big day. So that's what we're
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doing here.
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Well, you know, what's exciting about Tennessee Orthodoxy One of
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my best friends is an Orthodox mayor of our hometown.
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He won mayor. So we have an Orthodox mayor here.
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In Paris?
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Yep.
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No kidding. No. Did you know him before he won?
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Yeah, he's been one of my best friends. since high school.
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Oh, you're kidding me. No. What's his name?
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Jonathan Lodge.
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Jonathan Lodge, the mayor.
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Yeah, we've done a podcast. We've done a couple of
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podcasts together.
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Okay. Oh, I'm sorry I missed those. I'll have to
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look it up.
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Yeah, he goes to the Antiochian church. He became Orthodox. Well,
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he got interested in Orthodox a long time ago, but
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became Orthodox later. pretty recently.
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Jonathan Lodge.
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Hmm. Yeah.
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Well that, uh, that's interesting. And maybe, uh, we'll talk
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about a little bit more about that as we go
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along here.
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But maybe you'll be the next also like another Orthodox politician. Yes.
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Orthodox Congressman. And I'll be outspoken about Orthodoxy. I'm more
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than happy to do that.
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Yeah. He's the same way.
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Um, all right, let's go to the topic I wanted
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to bring up, which is, as I got to thinking
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about it is, is not the greatest topic for you
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because you and all your followers are way ahead of
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all this. But the question is, what is news? It's a,
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it's thing, something that I talk about in my live
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stream a lot. It's not so much what is news,
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but it's, I guess we already know by default that
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the news is, the news sucks. The news is ridiculous.
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The news is cultural engineering.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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And so we really need to stay away from it. Um,
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So that's obvious. And so then the next question is, well,
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where do we get our news? What what are the
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news sources? And then I got to thinking about a
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little further and I like, OK, I think we need
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to back up. I need to ask Jay this question.
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Is there such a thing as news? I don't know.
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I don't know that you can go completely to the
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one end of the spectrum, kind of an anarchist thing
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and say there just is no like a libertarian anarchist.
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There just is no such thing as any kind of
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common information or. news that we should be looking to
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get a grip on. So I guess that's my first
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question is, is there such a thing as a news
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and should we be worried about it? And how much
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time do we give it? Start there.
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I mean, I guess, like you said, the origins of
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the news in terms of that cycle, the way that
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we think of it with, you know, the 30 minute
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local news programs or you know, corporate national Fox news, MSNBC.
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I mean, that's all psychological warfare. That's all, that all
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comes out of wartime propaganda and essentially conditioning, like you said,
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social engineering, the population. Um, I mean, not everything is nefarious, obviously,
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but a lot of it is just really to keep
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you kind of locked into a very, uh, system adjacent perspective,
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whatever that is, keep you on the plantation basically. So
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I checked out of the news a long time ago.
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I want to say right after 9-11, I really quit
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caring about what the news said. And, you know, because
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I thought, well, we're being lied to about a lot
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of big scale things. So I quit listening to news.
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As the Internet became prominent, I think a lot of
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people were immediately going to the Internet for news and
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news stories. And that's kind of been affected by the
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changing trends. Phases of the internet, you know, we had
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message boards and messengers back in the day and everybody
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would go to, you know, Yahoo page and AOL, you
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read the news from the news pages. And then that
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turned into, you know, message boards and getting alternative information.
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And that turned to the rise of alternative news sites.
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is coming in and kind of taking over stuff. So
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that kind of displaced the old internet of websites and
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message boards. So. I mean, even the alternative information, which
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in ways was a little bit better. You could get,
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get some truth out of it, but even that's kind
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of going away. And so, um, it's, it's, the internet's
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a weird place now. It's, you know, it's just dominated
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by these, these big sort of mega things, but I
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don't really honestly pay a whole lot of attention to news.
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I mean, um, all right, well, let me, let me,
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let me back up a little bit. Um, first, uh, uh, well,
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I had a, Most of.
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It's not relevant. I mean, like I can't really do
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anything about, you know, tsunamis in Thailand or whatever.
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So, Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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You know what I mean? So it's like, I don't really,
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but even the algorithms are all weird now because they
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feed you the stuff that really isn't that it's tries
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to find your, find your interest and then feed you
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that niche. But a lot of that ends up being
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stuff you're not interested in because the for you on
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Twitter is there to get you engaged, kind of rage
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bait you because they show you people that are like
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They know that you won't like so that you'll get engaged.
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So honestly, I don't really pay a lot of attention
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to news.
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Well, that makes sense. And let's back up because I've
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redefined the whole thing away from news to what is
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the information you ought to be thinking about today? Now,
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I do think we are wired just as humans made
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in the image of God to think about a lot
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of words every day.
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It was actually a better choice a hundred years ago
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when the, you know, Protestant evangelicals, you know, did their
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daily quiet time and, you know, read the Bible and
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that sort of stuff. That was not a bad choice
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compared to the news. But I do think we need
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to meditate on some words and some stuff every day. Now,
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I think that only a small percentage of those words,
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that meditation time, whatever it is, should be like three
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to 5% should be on The government, the civil government,
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that's the problem, is that the news is 24-7 about
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the federal government and Donald Trump, who should be about
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3% of our life, if that much.
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So we got to meditate on words. We need to.
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We're trained to. We do need to have some sort
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of plug into our civil government situation. Most of our
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life is God, church, family. And then you have, you know,
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your local government and then you need to kind of know,
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you know, who's running for president. Maybe spend, you know,
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one percent of your time a week before the election
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on that. But we just you know, it's all out
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of whack.
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Right.
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But we do need to be thinking about things. Now,
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Twitter has become helpful for me because, you know, I
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can curate my Twitter to some degree to be thinking
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about things like church and apologetics and. extended family issues
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and other kinds of things that I'm interested in. Also government.
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And then I used to go to websites and stuff
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like you're talking about now. I just basically, it's all
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Twitter now. But I probably scroll past five, six, seven
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posts before I land on one that I'm like, okay,
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I think I'll actually read this. So there's an art
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to that. And that may not, you know, two or
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three months from now, that may not work either. And
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I might have to be completely off of it and
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just call my homies and say hey what's going on
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in the world but yeah I think we're on the
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same page here it's just but this news thing has
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just I guess it's mostly boomers and the younger generation
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is starting to get away from it but it has
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gotten so ingrained into the psyche they don't even know
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that wanting to know what the news is to be
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a quote unquote an informed citizen they don't even realize
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that When they make that decision, they're already being culturally programmed.
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So hopefully we're going to have a new day.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm going to, you know, maybe you
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to a degree as well, since you're doing internet stuff now.
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I mean, we've been doing this for so long that
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we don't really have time to follow a lot of news.
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Most of what we do throughout the day is kind
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of geared towards what type of content do we want
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to put out in the next few days.
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Yeah. You know, the first podcast that I did on
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this was don't be addicted to the news. And the
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first thing I told people, I said, why are you
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addicted to the news? Why are you addicted to the news?
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I said, it's because you don't have a life. You
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need to get a life, get a life and you
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won't go to the news for your life. And a
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lot of people are older people. So they're just lonely.
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They need that TV going 24 seven.
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That's a good point. Yeah. It's kind of a replacement
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family and communication or communion.
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We got a bunch of comments, which I expected. Let's
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go through them. We are covering the exact topic right
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now on our YouTube. Thank you, Patristic Faith. Next one. Morning.
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That's just somebody saying good morning. King of Wigxantium. Yes,
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Jesus is always up on things. Oh, we already did that.
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Biblecock Queen. Next one here is, Dean is definitely the patriarch.
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Even the emperor shows up on time for Dean. That's right.
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I got the emperor in here.
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I got to respect the godfather, right?
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There you go. Thank you very much.
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The godfather can have you thrown into the lake and
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sleeping with the fishes.
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Is that right? Oh, yeah, the mobster godfather. Jay needs
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to bring back that hairstyle. Oh, the one that's on
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the screen right now. The photo is from.
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That's a wig. That photo is supposed to be me.
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It's Kurt Russell's. It's from the cover of Big Trouble
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in Little China where Kurt Russell's wearing a Wife beater,
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and he's got a gun, and I have a marshmallow
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gun in that picture. It was just a silly picture
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I took, and then people sort of ran with it
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and did stuff with it.
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Someone here says it was your Pauly Shore phase. I
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don't know what that means.
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No, it's supposed to be Kurt Russell from Big Drum
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and Old China.
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Jay Day from Sneeze A. Is that a.
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That rapper there doing his little thing there? Jay Dyer.
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Yeah, these are all rap jokes. Okay.
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Jay Dyer is my beautiful BIPOC queen. Respect. All right.
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What else do we have here? Lots of laugh. It's
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the best. Good morning, Dean. Good morning.
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Okay.
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We've gotten through all that. Hey Jay, uh, I'm going
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to get you out of here before two o'clock. So
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we're not going to go more than an hour, but
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I just wanted to set that up because I don't
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want to fail to do what I, what I have
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done every podcast, which is, Oh man, are you still there?
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Yeah.
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I tried to remove you by mistake. Um, what I've
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done every, uh, live stream is I've done the church calendar, the, uh, Epistle,
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gospel and saying of the day. So I'm going to
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do that with you right now. So it's on the screen.
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Can you see it?
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Yes.
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OK, good. So I hate to say this, but the
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gospel and epistle are a little little boring, little pedestrian today.
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Philippians chapter one. I'm just going to focus on what
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was kind of a feel good verse. I think the
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navigators had me memorize the one I was a kid.
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verse six, Paul says, being confident of this very thing
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that he who has begun a good work in you
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will complete it until the day of Christ Jesus. And
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I think I scrolled past a video of you today
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where you talked about once saved, always saved. This is
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one of the big verses for once saved, always saved.
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But I think it's great. I don't think we have
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time to get into.
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All that, but....
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The next verse, Paul says, just as it is right
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for me to think of you, just as it is
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right for me to think this of you all, because
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I have you in my heart. So it's kind of
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a relational thing. And I sort of trying to work
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through the mystery of, you know, once saved, always saved,
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eternal security, all kinds of stuff. I've kind of worked
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through it on the relational end. If you're in a
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relationship with Christ, you're going to feel good about your future.
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And if you're not, you might not feel as good
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about it. And actually, I don't know if I get
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into the weeds of it, but the Calvinists believe that too.
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You got any comments on this?
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No, not really. I mean, I think it was probably
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an old clip of something from a long time ago.
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I kind of vaguely remember it, but I'm sure, you know,
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you and I would agree.
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So my dad's a Calvinist priest.
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Right. Well, I mean, we both had Calvinist backgrounds.
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Right, right. And so here's the thing. So what you're
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trying to do is you're trying to make someone feel
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good about themselves. They want to feel confident they're going
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to heaven, right? And so you tell them, well, you're
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eternally secure. Once saved, you're always saved. And then someone says, well,
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what about, you know, some kind of serial killer or
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somebody who's just as evil as it can be? And
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he just thinks he's going to heaven anyway. And they say, well,
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that person's deceived. So then the sweet little old lady
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who wants to make sure she's going to heaven, she says, well,
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how do I know that I'm not deceived?
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And you know what their answer is? This is the
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textbook classical catechism answer. If you're walking in obedience, then
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you'll have assurance of your salvation. Well, that's freaking works theology.
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I mean, it's the same thing. You know, in other words,
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live a righteous life and you'll be okay. You're not
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living a righteous life. You're not going to have the
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assurance of salvation.
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I remember a long time ago hearing Greg Bonson debate, um,
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Trey Matitix, the Catholic on that. And Matitix said something like, well,
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we're not really in any different position existentially because if
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you admit that a person can be self-deceived and the
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only way to know if you're not is if you're
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doing genuine good works, then we're pretty much already in
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the same boat. Exactly.
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That's exactly right. People don't usually think through it that much,
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but that's okay. Okay, next gospel of the day is
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Luke chapter 6. Instead of blessed are you, it's woe
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to you who are rich, for you've received your consolation.
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Woe to you who are full, for you shall hunger.
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Then this is the next one, 26. Woe to you
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when all men speak well of you, for so did
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their fathers to the false prophets. I just thought that
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would be fun to bring up for you, Jay, because
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I don't think you're in that category. All men do
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not speak well of you, but a lot do, you know,
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so you're in a good place. But yeah, that's and
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the same for me, too. I've got my haters.
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You've had some you've had some drama over the years.
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Yeah, sure have. And so when when everyone speaks well
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of you may not be so good.
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Yeah, that's a good one against the ecumenist, right? Because
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the whole project of the ecumenist is to have everybody
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speaking well of them.
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Yeah, it's all usually for the.
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The accolades of men.
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The accolades of men, exactly right. All right, let's move
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to the saint of the day. Now, this is going
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to be interesting. I don't usually do this, but I'm
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taking it from yesterday because I came across this yesterday
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and I didn't have time to do it. But it's
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the craziest dang saint story. And I just want you
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to process it with me. So this is named Saint Domnina.
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She had a couple of daughters. They lived in Edessa.
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I think this is like third century. I don't know.
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Doesn't matter. Domnina and her husband and father were pagans.
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So they decided to have them killed. And so they
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were taking the girls, the women, to Syria to kill them.
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And when the soldiers stopped to rest and eat, they
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became drunk with wine. Taking advantage of this opportunity, the
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women fled and were drowned in the river. They basically
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drowned themselves. According to St. John Chrysostom, Domnina stood in
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the middle of the river and pulled her daughters under
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the river with her, for she was afraid that the
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soldiers were going to rape them. And St. John praises
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Domnina for her courage. Now, there's a lot going on here.
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First one is that's kind of crazy. Um, so we
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got a saint who basically killed her daughters and is
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made a saint for it. Uh, I don't think we
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recommend this, uh, as Eastern Orthodox Christians. Uh, and, but
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I think, you know, there's always economy and there's always this, that,
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and the other. And so she got some kind of
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pass for killing her daughters. And then the, the, and
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her motivation was she was afraid that the soldiers were
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going to rape them. Um, And I brought this up
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in several of my live streams now. I want to
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see if you got a comment on it, Jay. But
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there's several stories where right before the female saints are
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about to get raped, that the Holy Spirit comes in
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and rescues them and they slip into a crevice in
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the rock and this, that, and the other. And I'm
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just intrigued by that because you kind of think, well,
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if they're going to get tortured and they're going to
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poke out their eyes and cut off their tongue and
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you know, do all sorts of terrible things to these people,
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why would the rape be in a different category? But
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it clearly is. There's some kind of desecration going on
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that these people and saints and the Lord don't want
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to happen. Do you have any thoughts on that?
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I have not heard this story. So no, I'm not,
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this is new to me. I'm not, I'm not familiar
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with this. And I'm not sure what the answer would
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be to that. That is, that's actually a good question.
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I would ask the same question.
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Yeah. And I, and I mentioned in a previous podcast,
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I think it's outlandish, but I have come across some
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writings where people think that Jesus got raped in his
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crucifixion events leading up. Yeah. I mean, I just, I
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just don't think it's true, but especially when I read
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these saints stories, it just seems like there's something going on.
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The undignity of rape is something that the Holy spirit
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keeps people from having to go through. And, uh, I
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don't know. I, I don't know what to say about it,
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except to say that the dignity that we have as
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people made in the image of God is pretty heavy stuff.
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And to go to that level is even worse than torture.
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It also tells you how serious the Romans chapter one
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warnings are and why it matters so much. So anyway,
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I just wanted to bring that story up. We can,
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we can get rid of that.
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That one's new to me.
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Yeah. What else? Oh, I got something right here. Let's
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see if I can bring this up. I think this
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is it. Oh, yeah. I found this clip searching around
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for you. I thought it was pretty funny. Get out
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of here. Hey, dude.
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Get out of here. out of here dude gross you
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need to go to confession right now dude.
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All right i thought i just thought it was important
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to bring that up um all right uh let's see
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let's get rid of.
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These that's from community that's uh that's a joke from
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the show community of the the weird crazy asian teacher
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he screams out gay.
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Oh, okay, so you're mimicking somebody.
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Yeah, it's a meme that's kind of, people put that
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up when people are being gay, and they'll put the
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little Asian Professor Chang going, gay! Okay. He yells it
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from the back of the class. It's a funny scene.
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Dear Jay, I have tried to send super chats, but
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my fake and gray bank won't let me. Hey, you
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and Jamie are in our prayers. All right, so there's
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somebody who just- Appreciate that. Appreciate you doing your thing.
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Roman Catholics treat marriage like Baptists treat salvation. If it
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doesn't work out, it was never meant real to begin with.
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All right. Make this a week monthly thing sure Jay
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needs a deal with a big network.
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I don't know I mean there's a lot of strings
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that come to attach with that.
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Well and you know the networks are low compared to Tucker.
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I mean yeah I mean podcasts have already taken over
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so Yeah.
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Uh, of course the boomers don't realize that. Um, this
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is the best. Someone says, Jay, my nigga, uh, Jay
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Dyer is my beautiful. Okay. We already got that. And
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there was one down here at the end that I missed.
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Let me try to get them as I suspected. I
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remember when teachers used to call us gay for acting
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out good times. I don't remember that. Um, Lots of laugh.
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That was said by a Protestant evangelical pastor. Said demons
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did it to our Lord in hell. Disgusting blasphemy. I
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think you're probably right. I probably shouldn't even have brought
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it up, but oh well. Died around 310 A.D. in Syria.
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That must be the saint of the day we talked about.
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To thee we sing. I don't know what that means.
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I've got a contributor named... To thee we sing. All right,
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let me get back to my questions. What do you
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think about the future? One of my ongoing topics that
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I really like and I'm intrigued by, and my James
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Jordan commentary interactions with him led to it, is I've
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sort of veered into a positive view of the future.
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It's my way of rebelling now. Not that I don't
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think there will be a reckoning, I mean, I think
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nuclear exchange, the financial meltdown, I think all that's possible.
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But I actually think that we're going to be around
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for another few hundred, if not a few thousand years
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before the Lord returns. And that we'll see, even though
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it's hard to see in the near term, when you
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look at the overarching last couple thousand years, there has been,
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and the church has had great victories recently. And we
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might see more of those. But anyway, that's my view
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right now. I don't tend to think that the end
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is going to be in the next few years. What's
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your feeling?
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Yeah, I pretty much agree. I've always had the same
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kind of positive attitude ever since coming out of amillennialism
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and premillennialism when I was young. And when you get
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into Calvinism, you read optimistic eschatology people, at least in
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the circles that we came out of with the Bonson
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and people like that and Gentry and David Chilton and
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all that stuff. So I think you and I have
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that same background of more optimistic eschatology, which is not
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to say that things can't get bad or you can't
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have really bad persecutions or, you know, massive apostasy in
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the church or what, like you can have all those
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things without it necessarily being the end and end of
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the world. Um, so yeah, I totally agree.
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Um, I tell people that, um, you gotta be a
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kind of, you gotta read the leaves of, of the
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times that you're in.
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Well, also to keep in mind too, everybody in every
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generation thinks they're the end of the world. They think
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they're the last generation.
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Oh yeah.
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It's everybody looks at all the wars and things going
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on and says, Oh, well this is clearly the end
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of the world. It can't get any worse than this.
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And I just, yeah, I mean, we just don't know.
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And I think, you know, I read an Orthodox thing
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a long time ago, that little Jordanville publication that talks
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about all the citations of the church fathers, apostasy and
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antichrist is the name of it. And it lays out
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like all the patristic and, you know, uh, you know,
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saints teachings on the subject. And there's four or five
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big indicators. And unless you see those big indicators, there's
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really no reason to necessarily assume it's into the world.
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If you don't see a new temple and jerusalem for
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the antichrist if you don't see uh the mass conversion
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of the jews if you don't see uh you know
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shutting down of the divine liturgy throughout the world uh
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and i don't mean covid because that was only half
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of it but massive persecution and shutting down of the
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church um you know those are the key signs that
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they talk about and if you don't see those things
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there's no there's not really point in worrying about and
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freaking out and getting obsessed with, you know, into the
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world stuff. And it's such an evangelical mindset. I think
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you and I both went through and we were both
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probably raised with kind of evangelical in time stuff. I mean,
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I think you were raised Calvinist, but I was raised Baptist.
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So I grew up with rapture and, you know, that
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kind of stuff.
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And David Chilton points out in, uh, the, the days
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of vengeance, uh, he's gotten, um, he may have even
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have an appendix on it, but he points out that, uh, the, uh,
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maybe it was an appendix in the Anglican prayer book,
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but back, you know, two or 300 years ago, the
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Anglican prayer book had an appendix with 6,000 years of
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the church calendar. So they were thinking thousands of years
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down the road.
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Oh, interesting.
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But we don't think that way at all. It's just, it's,
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there's not even a reference point for it.
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Well, the Schofield, you know, evangelical, I mean, you were
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interviewing James Perloff 10 years ago talking about this stuff.
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Right, right.
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And that whole Schofield in time stuff is just, really
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permeated the American Christian mindset, even beyond, you know, Baptist
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and evangelical groups, like it's affected.
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It's truly amazing how much it has affected things. It's
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kind of a testimony to the whole thing of, you know, if, if,
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if there's a vacuum, then something's going to fill the void. And,
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you know, the secularists just had a vacuum in terms
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of what, what the future is going to look like.
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Right.
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And and this dispensational stuff, which was very strong with
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a minority of fundamentalist Christians, just filled the void. And
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then now it's become very strong and kind of exactly
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kind of the default view. I do believe there's going
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to be a reckoning. I do think we'll go through
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hard times.
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Right.
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I think you have to read the the leaves for
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the time that you're in. You know, if you're in
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the second century and you're a Christian. You need to
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brace up for torture and martyrdom, which we may have
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to do too. I think we always need to be
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ready for torture and martyrdom and to go through tough times. However,
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if you suddenly find yourself in 320 AD and a
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Christian has just taken over the empire and made Christianity legal,
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and he's gathering together all the bishops across the world
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to have a council, you're in a different time. Now
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you can start talking about building Christian civilizations.
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Exactly.
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So where are we right now? I don't think we're
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ready to really pull up our sleeves and get serious
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about building Christian civilization because of how corrupt and terrible
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things are. But it could happen in the near future.
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We just have to be vigilant and take a look. But,
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you know, it's not either or. It's both. And it
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just depends on what epic you're in.
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Absolutely. I mean, I think 10 years ago, people wouldn't
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have thought, uh, Oh, we'll have, you know, tens of
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thousands of people converted to Orthodoxy in the next few years.
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That would have seemed unrealistic and just kind of bizarre
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and not in America. Right. But I mean, we're, we've
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already seen that. Um, and I think in the next
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five years, it'll be a hundred thousand people converted to Orthodoxy. So, um,
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the possibilities are always there. We don't know, you know,
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when the end of the world is. And it's really
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just futile to sit and worry about that. We all
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know that our individual ends, our individual apocalypse is coming.
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That's right.
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James Jordan says, if you have a heart attack in
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five minutes, Jesus is coming soon for you.
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Exactly right. Exactly. So, I mean, it's just not worth
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worrying about. And I think that whole mindset of, run
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for the hills and don't worry about it, you know,
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give up the world, all that kind of stuff. I'm
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not saying monastic life is wrong. I'm saying that to
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convince everybody in the church of that is really, it's
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a powerful tool for other powers, right? If you can
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get people to not care about how their societies run, who's,
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you know, making the laws. Well, you're going to, the
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evil people will fill that void.
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Yeah. If you think everything's going to hell and the
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evil people are taken over, then what's going to happen
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is everything's going to go to hell and the evil
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people are going to take.
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Exactly. Yeah. It's funny. And when I did that talk
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at Ludwell, I talked about, you know, the history of
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Byzantine law and, and how councils and canon law affected
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the civil society. And, and, I think most of those Christians,
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as you're pointing out, throughout that time period, they don't
718
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really realize the power they have. They didn't realize that
719
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if they really wanted to, they could take over. I
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don't mean in a political sense of just seizing power.
721
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I'm saying that Christianity really does have the power to
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permeate civilization. That's why it was so important for the
723
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powers that be that don't like Christianity to sever its
724
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relationship to the state. And they did that very successfully to,
725
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you know, three century, four centuries ago, five centuries ago.
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And so it's like, and that reflections of Russian statesmen,
727
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he said, all these people that convince people of, you know,
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getting Christianity out of the state sold it, like it
729
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was going to give you all these freedoms and all
730
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this kind of stuff. And then what you actually got
731
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was the state becoming a religion and the state become God.
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So that's the danger is that you don't ever get
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a neutral state. You don't get neutrality in law. It
734
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doesn't exist. So it's all built on this mythology of
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enlightenment neutrality, which doesn't exist. And then what happens is
736
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it's a bait and switch.
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Yeah, they're all a bunch of occultists.
738
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Exactly. You get basically Satan has taken over and like
739
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running everything.
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Okay. Um, my last question, and then we got several
741
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more questions from the field we can take here, but, uh,
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I've kind of shifted my focus to the purpose of history. What,
743
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what we're doing here, why are we here? And I've
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tried to shift that to discipling the nations. Um, I
745
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don't think we're just here to, uh, suffer and die. Um,
746
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I think we're here to disciple the nations. We have
747
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been for a couple thousand years. That was Jesus' last command,
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go and make disciples of the nations. Not go make
749
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disciples in the nations, but make disciples of the nations.
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And I'm not sure what that means. I'm very intrigued
751
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by that. I'd like to learn more of it. But
752
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there's only three or four possibilities for the view of history. One,
753
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new world order, global government. We don't believe in that.
754
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What's the next one? Elon Musk, let's go to Mars. Well,
755
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that's not really a view of the future. That's just
756
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an escape from a bad future here. Uh, choice number three. Um,
757
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there's another choice. That's a bad one. I forgot, but
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choice number three is discipling the nations. That's that, that
759
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is the purpose of the, of, of history. That's why
760
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we're here. Let's go after and bring Christ to all
761
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the nations. And when that's finished, we'll probably see the end. Um, uh,
762
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a lot of people don't think it can be finished there.
763
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They're too gloom and doom. I think it can be. Um,
764
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but what's your thoughts on that?
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Well, one of the things that seems unbelievable and is
766
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overlooked is the, and this is in, if you read
767
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that Jordanville book on the conversion of the world or the,
768
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on the apostate and antichrist, the conversion of the world
769
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is one of the prophecies. So, uh, I still read
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Romans 11 as saying that when the Jews convert, they
771
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will have a very powerful effect on converting the world. Um,
772
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Now that seems totally unbelievable to us in this present
773
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day situation, but I always point out, well, if you
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go back to Isaiah's day, you know, Isaiah's gospel or
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Isaiah's book is described as the fifth gospel because there's
776
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so many prophecies of Christ in the church. Most of
777
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those church prophecies are prophecies about a worldwide scope of
778
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the conversion of the world to the worship of the
779
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Jewish Messiah. And if you were in Isaiah's day, when
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you're getting carried off in captivity to Babylon, that would
781
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just seem totally insane. Like, what are you talking about? How?
782
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And there's no way the world would convert to worship
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the God of Israel. That's crazy. And yet when the
784
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Messiah comes, we're told along with all those messianic prophecies,
785
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there's about just as many or more prophecies in the
786
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old Testament about one of the signs will be the
787
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conversion of the Gentiles to worship. that messiah and lo
788
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and behold for 2 000 years gentile nations have been
789
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converting to worship the messiah so i mean we have
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all of those historical attestations to the proof of the
791
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religion through these prophecies not just of the messiah but
792
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of the and this is one thing that protestants i
793
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think fail to do is is in protestants love to
794
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go the old testament to show all the messianic prophecies
795
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they prove the messiah but they forget and they leave
796
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out all those prophecies of the church as the sign
797
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of the Messiah's time, right? When you start to see
798
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the Gentile nations converting, that's part of that fulfillment. So
799
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that's still ongoing. And many of those prophecies, as you know,
800
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in Psalms, Zechariah, Isaiah, it describes the knowledge of the
801
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Lord being like the water, as much water as there
802
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is sea. Everywhere that there's sea, there's water. And he said, well,
803
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that's what the knowledge of the Lord will be like.
804
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you know, as time goes by eventually. And so there's
805
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different possibilities. There could be 10,000 more years to the world.
806
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That's true. Or there could be a hundred more years.
807
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And if, when the Jews convert, the Jews convert the
808
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world and it's a rapid conversion, you know, we don't
809
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know how that's going to play out. There's all kinds
810
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of possibilities, but I still, like you said, it looks
811
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to me like there's all kinds of prophecies that describe,
812
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you know, Oh, global, a global Orthodox Christianity. It doesn't
813
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mean that every time you say this, like I just
814
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want to, and I already know all the objections. We're
815
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not supposed to take political power. We're not, I know
816
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all that. It's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that
817
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the Christianity is a victorious religion, not just in eternity,
818
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but also within history, according to a lot of the prophecies.
819
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Amen. I, uh, I made a Facebook post or Twitter
820
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post or something about six months ago. I said, I'm
821
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tired of playing defense.
822
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And, uh, Well, think about our apologetic methodology, too, by
823
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the way, that I do. It's not defense. It's offensive apologetics.
824
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And the church is supposed to be the church militant,
825
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not the church defensive. Amen.
826
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Yes. And discipling the nations as your goal is very
827
00:44:46.989 --> 00:44:49.630
much offense. But I think one of the reasons I
828
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wrote that post is I've spent my whole life in
829
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the family battles, pro-life, pro-family battles. And I'm proud of that.
830
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And I have no problem with that. But, you know,
831
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I've read all those James Dobson letters and all those
832
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Randall Terry letters with Operation Rescue and all. I read
833
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.460
them every month and they were all very well written,
834
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.880
all kinds. But it was always it's everything so bad
835
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and it's getting worse. Everything's so bad and it's getting worse.
836
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:21.659
And after about 30 years, 12 months, a year, you
837
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kind of get tired of it.
838
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Right.
839
00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:25.309
You know what? Yeah, things are bad and they probably
840
00:45:25.329 --> 00:45:27.570
will get worse in certain sectors. But, you know, sometimes
841
00:45:27.610 --> 00:45:31.679
things get better. And sometimes the gospel takes over a
842
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:36.260
people group. Sometimes we see amazing things happen because Christ
843
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.219
is on the move and he's on the offensive. So yeah,
844
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:38.940
I'm tired of playing.
845
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.559
Well, it's, that's one of the downsides of conspiracy mindset
846
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.679
and conspiracy thinking is that people get into that. That's right.
847
00:45:47.469 --> 00:45:49.630
And I've been in that same mode of thinking, right?
848
00:45:49.650 --> 00:45:51.869
I remember in the two thousands, I was reading just
849
00:45:52.429 --> 00:45:56.030
all kinds of really dark, you know, ritual satanic stuff. And,
850
00:45:56.789 --> 00:45:59.969
abuse and Franklin cover up type stuff and all those.
851
00:46:00.130 --> 00:46:03.010
And if you constantly sort of immerse yourself in that,
852
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you will just invariably take on the mindset that, man, oh,
853
00:46:07.110 --> 00:46:09.920
everything's going to heck and everything is just trash. And
854
00:46:09.940 --> 00:46:12.239
we might as well just head for the hills.
855
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.800
It is a syndrome that you have to protect yourself from.
856
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.400
I've got friends like that. And I tell them it's
857
00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:24.480
I tell them it's like prepping. I'm a prepper. And
858
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:28.679
I allow myself to spend 10% of my money, my emotions,
859
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:32.219
and my time, uh, preparing for some kind of disaster.
860
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.630
No more, any more than that. And you become kind of, uh, a, uh,
861
00:46:38.449 --> 00:46:41.030
not so much a lunatic, but, uh, you're, it's kind
862
00:46:41.070 --> 00:46:43.530
of self-defeating. I mean, if, if you're worried about losing
863
00:46:43.550 --> 00:46:46.550
your life and you lose your life while you're worrying
864
00:46:46.590 --> 00:46:50.130
about losing your life, it's also dumb. So 10% on prepping.
865
00:46:50.190 --> 00:46:53.980
And I tell my conspiracy, uh, Theory friends who've gone
866
00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:58.250
down the hole and can't get out, 10%. You're allowed
867
00:46:58.289 --> 00:47:00.250
to spend 10% going down some kind of rabbit hole.
868
00:47:00.869 --> 00:47:04.650
After that, start just doing positive stuff. Build your family,
869
00:47:04.690 --> 00:47:07.030
build your church, do positive things. All right, I got
870
00:47:07.050 --> 00:47:08.989
a few comments here and we're going to get out
871
00:47:09.010 --> 00:47:13.820
of here. Dean, I saw you, your signs for Congress
872
00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:16.159
out in Red Bank today. Thank you. I did put
873
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.179
out some signs in Red Bank the other day and
874
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.409
I'm glad you saw them. Okay, here's a question here.
875
00:47:21.469 --> 00:47:24.550
What is the fundamental difference between how we are supposed
876
00:47:24.590 --> 00:47:28.159
to take over the country or the world and something
877
00:47:28.219 --> 00:47:33.059
like a revolution, which is lib and gay? Okay, have
878
00:47:33.139 --> 00:47:33.300
at it.
879
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:42.000
Well, I mean, most leftist, liberal, whether capitalists or socialists
880
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:46.030
or Marxists or even fascists, all the revolutionary thinking is
881
00:47:46.090 --> 00:47:53.289
almost always putting the political first. And the attitude of
882
00:47:53.309 --> 00:47:57.070
the Christian has been for, you know, people have been
883
00:47:57.090 --> 00:48:00.389
told for a long time, you don't have anything to
884
00:48:00.429 --> 00:48:03.800
do with that. You're supposed to be doing your private
885
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.920
devotional stuff. And so somehow the whole idea of American
886
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:10.820
Americanism being, you know, probably premised on a lot of
887
00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:14.000
Roger Williams is, you know, and Baptist type influence is
888
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the idea that, well, the separation of church and state
889
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.150
into spheres means that, that you don't have anything to
890
00:48:19.210 --> 00:48:22.010
do with the rest of the world. And so you
891
00:48:22.050 --> 00:48:25.550
can have your private devotional life, but don't get Jesus
892
00:48:25.610 --> 00:48:29.760
involved in my, you know, Supreme court decision or, you know,
893
00:48:30.820 --> 00:48:33.199
whatever Jesus doesn't have anything to do with that stuff.
894
00:48:33.219 --> 00:48:37.219
He's so, and it's this weird sort of hippie Jesus
895
00:48:37.340 --> 00:48:40.599
idea as if Jesus isn't the second person of the
896
00:48:40.659 --> 00:48:45.199
Godhead who already established all political leaders, right? Everybody in
897
00:48:45.219 --> 00:48:48.900
politics is under the authority of Christ already. And it's
898
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:52.119
a question of whether they are obedient or are not obedient.
899
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.739
Even in the Old Testament, right? When you think about
900
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.170
somebody who's, you know, think about Nebuchadnezzar, right? Nebuchadnezzar learned
901
00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:01.630
the hard way in the book of Daniel that he's
902
00:49:01.690 --> 00:49:05.769
providentially ruling under God. And if he's wicked, he's accountable
903
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to God. So, and he found that out the hard way.
904
00:49:09.170 --> 00:49:11.309
And at the end of his life, right? Comes to
905
00:49:11.349 --> 00:49:14.150
realize there's only one God of heaven. And I realized
906
00:49:14.230 --> 00:49:17.949
after my years of madness that, I was a region
907
00:49:18.010 --> 00:49:22.210
underneath him. I wasn't God. So it's like people don't,
908
00:49:22.730 --> 00:49:26.840
people are so suffused with the Protestant Baptist evangelical mindset
909
00:49:26.949 --> 00:49:30.519
that they, it just people short circuit when you start
910
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:34.119
talking about the Christian state and Christian Kings and all
911
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.940
this kind of stuff that we all know from history. Um,
912
00:49:37.489 --> 00:49:40.190
But the reality is that the Baptists, all that kind
913
00:49:40.210 --> 00:49:43.170
of mindset is just wrong. It's false. It's not historic Christianity.
914
00:49:43.190 --> 00:49:49.090
It's all built on nonsense. And it's all the position
915
00:49:49.269 --> 00:49:51.219
of people that hate the church that came up with it.
916
00:49:51.449 --> 00:49:53.800
So why are we supposed to default to the position
917
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of all the people that hate Christianity and the church
918
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:01.460
and they don't want godly principles in government? But that
919
00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:05.380
doesn't mean that our first goal is political. this is
920
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:09.460
people just have such a hard time with ranking priorities. Uh,
921
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:14.110
they think that if the church is the first priority
922
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in crisis, the first priority that must mean I hate,
923
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and I don't have anything to do with everything else.
924
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And that's just, that's just silly dialectical thinking. It's not
925
00:50:22.329 --> 00:50:24.699
an either or just like if you're the father of
926
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.820
a household, you don't hate everyone else in your family
927
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.699
because they're not your immediate, you know, circle of people.
928
00:50:30.820 --> 00:50:34.260
You just have a focus on your family. And then
929
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.139
those other people, you know, your extended family, you still
930
00:50:37.179 --> 00:50:39.769
love and care about them, but they're not your main focus, right?
931
00:50:39.829 --> 00:50:42.250
So it's not an either or, it's a both and.
932
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And so we just have to put things in the
933
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right priority. And that's why I always have to say
934
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the culture and the political sphere is downstream from what
935
00:50:54.230 --> 00:50:57.239
we do in terms of theology, in terms of the church.
936
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And it has to be. There's no way to avoid that.
937
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You can't have... a secular world where God has nothing
938
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to do with that. God's only concerned with the church
939
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and what's happening, you know, in our devotional lives. That's all.
940
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That's just Protestant mindset. It's not true.
941
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All right. That's all very good. Let me read a
942
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few comments. We won't, uh, address them. I feel like
943
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we're on the edge of war. And after that, we
944
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will have an Orthodox America, but start the spiritual battle now.
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Okay.
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That's interesting. Um, I enjoyed Jay's interview with his priest
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about art in Italy and Russia. Is there going to
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be a follow-up to those videos, please?
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When we get back down to Florida, I'm sure that
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Father Vladimir and I will do more podcasts and chats.
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It's just because my dad's in bad health, we've been
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here in Tennessee for the last nine or ten months.
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I don't know specifically if he'll want to do another
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one of that, but That was because we had done
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that pilgrimage in Italy, which was so wild. It was intense,
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but I'm sure we'll do more stuff.
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All right, next one. Art in public spaces has deteriorated
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since severing the connection with Christianity.
959
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Great point. Yeah, that's part of that culture severance, right?
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It's a weird balance of needing people who obtain influence
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and not allowing worldly influence to be your priority. I
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agree with that. I was going to bring up to Jay.
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We were talking, I was saying to Jay earlier, second century,
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third century, you know, everybody's getting tortured and killed for Christ.
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Incredible heroes. Until finally, the Roman state becomes Christian, and
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you got Constantine as the emperor, and he calls all
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together an ecumenical council to figure out the Trinity and everything.
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And then what happens after that? Then there's a big
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movement into the, uh, rule areas for monasticism because they're
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the very thing you're talking about. There's a balance between
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not being too worldly minded, uh, and also following Christ.
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So that's happened in history and we got to keep
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it up. Jay got that. Jay got that fire drip
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on today. I have no idea what that means.
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Um, I think he's talking about, cause I'm wearing a
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Bitcoin shirt and I'm wearing a, a trucker hat.
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Oh, gotcha. It's beautiful. All the prophecies. All right. Um,
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I think I already did that one. If you spend
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all day watching the horizon, you'll never trim your sails. Okay,
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I'm not a sailor, so I don't quite get this one.
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The conspiracy theory obsesses confused analyzing the stars with trimming
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their sails so they float in circles while yelling at
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everyone else to look at the sky. It becomes madness. Okay,
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he clarified that.
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Thank you.
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Yet there remains this question. To what degree? All right,
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here's the next one here. Come on, D. Okay, this
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person says, I have the Revelation trilogy. Great quality. Thank
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you very much. Worked really hard on that and I
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appreciate you saying that. Shoot, I keep hitting send. I
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like the 10% rule. Simple guidelines for us peasants yoked
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by democracy. Next question. Have you ever been to Serbia?
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I have not. What's up, Chad nerds? Dean's got to
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teach Jay the cigar world. Do you smoke cigars much?
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I think you did when we had the cigar smoking
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event in Chattanooga. No, I don't.
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I can't. It's really bad for my allergies. I used
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to like cigars when I was younger. And I've had
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people send me cigars, you know, to promote on the
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channel and whatnot. But no, I'm still on Tucker's Alps.
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All right. Well, just send the cigars to me if
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you don't want them.
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Yeah, send them to Dean.
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By the way, on the calendar two days ago was...
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Dionysius the Areopagite. And I didn't talk about it in detail,
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but I'll talk about it now. You know, the church
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calendar is very clear that he was first century. There's
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no questions or doubts about that. But Jay and I
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were at an event where Jay was actually appointed to
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ask him some questions. Our archbishop, he's no longer our archbishop,
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And he was a patristic scholar at Marquette, and his
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specialty was Dionysius the Areopagite. And so Jay began to
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ask him questions about this, that, and the other. And
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it turns out that he believes in pseudo-Dionysius, which is
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that Dionysius is a 6th century writing, I think is
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what they think. But anyway, I just thought it was
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pretty clear that from the church calendar, he's 1st century.
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Yeah, I mean, there could be different things going on.
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There could be like an original corpus that later got
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expanded on with Neoplatonic ideas, that's also a possibility too. So, yeah,
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I've always tended to just default to thinking that he is,
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you know, who Paul's talking about.
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And it's pretty interesting if he was an actual member
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of the Aeropagus, which Paul generally didn't have success with,
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but he was one of them who did convert. And
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he was an actual friend of the Apostle Paul, and
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he was appointed the first bishop of Athens. So all pretty,
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pretty big stuff. So anyway, I just found that to
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be interesting. We are wrapping up and ready to go.
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Do you have anything else for us, Jay, before I
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wrap us out of here?
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No, I'll probably do a live stream today. And I
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just want to thank you for having me on and
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for being a good godfather and, you know, knowing you
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for 10 or more years. And it's been a pleasure
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knowing you. And this reminds me of back when you
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used to do your podcast 10 years ago and we'd
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have these conversations. So I'm glad to be back doing it.
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Well, thank you. It's been an interesting journey and I'm
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not sure how it all is going to go down.
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But yeah, it has been a great 10 years. God
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is good. I don't think I'm going to have the
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technological know-how on how to talk to you after we're
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done here. So I'm going to sign out and you
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and I will sign out. And just keep me up
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to date on what you're doing. And God is good.
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Well, thank you, Dane. Appreciate it.
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All right. October 5th. Dean Arnold. Dean Arnold Podcast. Jay
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Dyer interview wrapped up. We did it.