Huddy Hui - Episode 104

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Killed. A good evening and welcome
to episode one oh four of the Honey
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Hohoy, another jam Peck episode this
evening. And we've got two guests on
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tonight as we approach round four of
the Swindow Shield and how important is it
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going to be for this side going
forward? Ring to a wrong attack five
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all against Upper Hut and the weekend
and they came back to beat them and
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stunning fashion. And our first guest
actually played in that game and he was
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playing at first five. Dicklan Hey
is our guest on the Hodey Whoy.
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Cureder Dicklan, Welcome the show this
evening, No, thank you, thanks
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for having me. Mate. Let's
review last weekend's game against Upper Hut.
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The Rams will all over you in
the first half. What caused the turnaround
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in the second half that resulted in
what was a pretty pressive one in the
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end. To tough to my finger
on just one thing. I think we
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definitely took a lot of confidence into
halftime kind of that that really dominated play
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for those that first forty minutes,
but going into half time were only I
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think it was tied up five all
you said, So we took a bit
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of confidence out of that knowing that
we could back our defense and we could
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would stand a lot of pressure.
And then I think we were just a
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bit more patient with the ball in
that second half and played territory a bit
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better than than we did in the
first half. But at the ends it
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still came down to right down to
the way, you know, one one
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miss kick and it could have been
a different story. So yeah, but
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lucky to get out of that one
with the four points. But we'll take
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it. It's the third game in
a row the game has been decided by
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a penalty or a miss pealty.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know what it is about
about about the rams and and always at
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the moment, but it always seems
to be a close battle. We've been
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we've been lucky enough to come out
on the right side of those all three
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times. But yeah, it's just
bounce to the ball or you know,
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luck of the draw kind of thing
at times. Now, one of your
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wingers last week has come back to
the Tide this season, Herman Cumungo Fungi
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two tries, impressive tries in particular, one on each half. How great
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is it to have herman back in
the team. Oh yeah, it's massive.
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He yeah, he's a he's a
massive personality off the field as well,
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so he's good to have around training. But his talent has potential,
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Like it's through the roof that guy. Get the ball in his hands and
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yeah, good luck stopping. I'm
glad as on my team. So two
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wins from three matches so far in
the Swindow Shield, a great result against
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Paramount of Plymoton and the Juvenile Cup
final rematch. But what happened in round
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two against Maya State Pets. Well, they asp there was obviously windy,
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windy affair. Oh no, not
that windy, sorry, wet affair,
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and they just they just played to
their conditions, really took their chances better,
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took the points when they were on
offer, and just just played a
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lot better wet weather, foody than
we did. I think we're probably guilty
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of trying to play a bit too
much. Forty an hour and a half
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and an MSP. We'll just be
a team on the day. Took advantage
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of that and we're pretty clinical.
To be fair. We tried to get
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you on last year because you achieved
a significant milestone for the meg Pies one
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hundred games last year for the Megpiles. Who was the game against and how
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special was the achievement for you?
It was actually against MSP in the I
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don't know what you call it,
quarterfinal that the Jubilee Cup, Hardam Cup,
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I don't know, elimination elimination game, yeah, quarter final kind of
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thing. Yeah, and it was. It was massive as it's taken me,
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taken me a bit longer than a
lot of other people, and and
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then I would have liked but been
a bit of a journey obviously. I
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started my my senior club rugby at
MSP, and I went to school and
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I played a bit of footall with
a lot of those with those meryor of
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St Pat's boys, So it was, yeah, it was. It was
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good to bring it up against them
and to get the one was even better,
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especially after they've kind of had the
water on us previous to that for
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the last couple of years. So
it was, yeah, it was,
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it was, It was big and
yeah, like I said, it always
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good to get the result. Last
year's snuck into the Jubilee Cup playoffs finishing
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eighth and the Swindow Shield, uh
beating up a hut and that last round
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game How special and tough was that
Jubilee campaign When you're on the road road
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for the whole time, playing from
ho how tough was it? Yeah?
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No, it was tough. But
I guess I've got to give credit to
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our fans as well, Like,
even even if we're away from home,
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a lot of those games stained that
feeling like home games with the with the
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crowd we get following us. Especially
that the second half of that that Johnsonville
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game was was something of something else. You know, that first half that
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javill were right on top of us
in that you know, up on that
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hill, felt like that right on
top of us. But then twenty minutes
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into that second half, our crowd
just came alive in it, and really
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it feels like a home game.
So it was. It was very tough.
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Probably not ideal, but when it
gets to those situations, it's just
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just about taking it one week at
a time and not worrying about whether you're
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home or away. Just yeah,
I don't know. And of course that
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resulted in you guys winning the Jubilee
Cup final against Paramedoplymoton last year. How
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special was that win for you and
the team? Yeah, it was,
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it was massive. I mean especially
halfway through the air. Not many would
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have picked it, you know,
didn't didn't look likely for us a lot
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of the time during the season,
so yeah, it was huge. It
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was my first room real Jubilee Cup, so it was massive, and just
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winning it. There's been a lot
of great players and stuff that have come
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through or is that they haven't actually
one one of those trophies, so it's
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pretty special to be one of the
lucky few. Yeah, and it was.
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It was massive for the club and
the community around as well, especially
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with our colts and our PREMI reserves
both taking out their grades as well,
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So that was a pretty special year
for the club. Probably explains why the
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clubrooms are getting redeveloped. Yeah,
yeah, it's been a long time coming.
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One hundred and thirty five points in
two thousand and twenty three, three
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hundred and one career points all together. Have you put away the kicking tea
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this season? My teammates are probably
hoping so because although it sounds like a
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lot of points, I've had a
lot of opportunities and I've missed some absolute
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sitters. But Alex Alex has been
striking them pretty well so far this year,
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So hopefully he keeps striking them.
Well, I don't have to get
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it out, but I don't know. Stranger things have happened, so you
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never know, never say never.
Who are some of the characters in the
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team this year. Well, as
I said before, Herman he's always loud
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and lively around training. Alex Rapeti, he's a he's a big actually,
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both the brothers real big voices in
our team, big driving factors. I
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don't know. I don't know.
It's hard to single out any any one
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name in particular. We've got a
whole team, the old team of characters.
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Really big Big George is always always
a personal favorite of mine, and
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Number or the bad Man as we
like to call him. He's yeah,
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he's always a good laugh as well. But it's yeah, like I said,
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hard to hard to single out one
or two. I could go through
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the whole team. Uh vit.
Henry is the head coach this year.
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What has he brought to the team
and how special is it to have him
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in charge since he has played well
over two hundred games for the make Poles.
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Yeah, no, it's it's great
having FETs kind of officially as that
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as that head coach role he's Obviously
last year we had Mason as Our as
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our head coach, but fedu Was
was also a big part of that.
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He was I think he kind of
took the forwards and he was a big
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part of out of the coaching group
last year. And even when he was
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playing, he was he was a
massive voice. And just when he speaks,
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he's just got so much respect from
all the boys. And so when
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he speaks, he's not a man
that of of of heaps like many words,
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he doesn't speak too much, but
when he does, everyone definitely listens
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and takes takes on board what he's
saying. So it's it's been great.
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He's got a wealth of experience and
he's a he's a great after field as
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well. So yeah, I can't
speak highly enough of FETs. You're the
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fourth player we've had on the hue
this year that simply can be described as
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a utility back. Now, in
your case, you've played pretty much here
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everywhere. Yeah, mainly started out
as a half back, but you've been
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playing full back this season this season. What is your preferred position and why
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or do you get told where to
go? Yeah? I just get told
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where to go at this point mate, So obviously, oh my my preferred,
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my preferred position, prayers nine,
just just because you're always, always
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in the game, always involved,
and a big part of that is probably
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just where most comfortable. Got a
familiar familiarity at that position, So yeah,
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that would be my perver preferred position. But yeah, I've kind of
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just play wherever, wherever they'll take
me. Yeah it was ten ten last
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week, fifteen or last year which
was which was the first for me,
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never played in the outside backs,
but yeah, I'll take wherever I can,
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wherever I can get on the field. And with a guy like Isaac
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Isaac at the club, it's hard
to get a spot over him. He's
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playing great footy. So if I
can still get on the field, I'll
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take it. We have been Van
Berkel on the show later tonight. His
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fiftieth Premier game is this weekend.
When you play half back, what's your
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fanta light with the referees, I'd
like to say it's up there, but
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I'm sure the referees would are probably
happy that I'm a bit further away from
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the ball now. They probably prefer
me playing at fullbacks, not in the
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area all the time. But yeah, i'd like to think it's it's not
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bad, but I'm sure they might
beg to differ. Your brother Sean played
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for Oriental Wrongaty as well. Did
you get to play alongside him? Yeah,
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My first game was at the club
was actually with him playing first five
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when I was half back. Didn't
work that well, so they didn't do
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that very often after that, but
we did play a couple years. I
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think maybe three all up. He
might he had a year or two often
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between, but yeah, we got
a few games in there together. Now
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you've played for four different clubs,
including a junior club which we'll talk about
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soon. In twenty twelve you turned
out for Mayor Saint Pet's, playing for
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most of their premier reserves, and
you've got a few games off the bench
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for the premier side. Tell us
spent your time at Evans Bay Park.
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Yeah, well, obviously going to
Saint Pat's town was kind of a natural
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progression to go go through the fence
and over to MSP. So twenty eleven
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went there and played colts with a
lot of my mates from school, and
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then at twenty twelve I think I
actually I actually started the first game that
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year and we got absolutely smashed by
Obu and they and I was the only
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one that had dropped, and then
they won every game for the rest of
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the year. I think, so
they obviously pinpointed the problem. But now
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I had a see a few years
there. I think I left and I
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don't know. Yeah, but I
really enjoyed my time there, a lot
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of good guys, yeah, great
club. Enjoyed my time there, and
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yeah, I had had some reallyant
played some really enjoyable footy as well,
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so can't can't campaign And actually your
junior rugby was played across the other side
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of the field at Kilbernie Park.
Tell us about your or junior rugby time
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at PORNICKI yeah, I'm not too
sure how that how that came about.
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I think maybe one of Sean's friends
from school or something played there, so
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we just followed and I just followed
along with him. Is enjoyable. I
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feel like I could have played for
anyone of that age and I would have
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loved it. But it was good. Made a few few, a few
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kind of lifelong mates there, Victor
Green being one of them, the mastermind
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behind oh Tide Showtime all his live
streaming, So I met, Yeah,
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a lot of a few lifelong friendsy
Jack Tolopopper played some footy with Matt Proctor
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a few other you know, high
quality players. So it was I don't
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know good place to start, but
I guess, like I said, I
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could have played rugby and you were
at that age and I would have loved
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it. Twenty fifteen, you went
out to Elston Park and played for Johnsonville.
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Tell us about your year out there
for the Hawks. Yeah, out
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there for a year. Followed,
Uh, my mate makeson liance out there.
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A few of the few of the
other boys had gone out there a
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year or two earlier, and then
I find they've been telling me to come
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along, and I've kind of been
putting it off in hopes that I maybe
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starting spot at MSP. But it
wasn't to be. Couldn't. I couldn't
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get old P two c s out
of there. Bit of a club legend
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credit to him. So went out. Yeah, I went out to jab
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and his had a year it was. It was a great year. I
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really enjoyed my footy out there and
I think we ended up losing Upper Hut
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in the Hardam Cup final that yeah, so its enjoyable. Yeah. Move
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to Ari's come about Uh, I
don't know. Probably a number of factors.
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Obviously, after that year at Javel, Mason and Roy kinnickin low left
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left Jabil and they took up coaching
physician at Aris, so they were trying
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to, you know, bring me
out, telling me to come along.
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And then I played a lot of
willing to Maldi Rugby with the likes of
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fedu to a comer Andy Allis,
and also my brother was there, so
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they were all kind of getting in
my head telling me to come along.
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And I haven't regreted it at once. Yeah, great greatness, didn't haven't
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looked back. Since you're a product
of Saint Patrick's College, Wellington or known
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as Saint Pete's Town from two thousand
and six ten, how was your time
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there? Oh? Yeah, I
loved it mate. Yeah, it's great
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just going to school. Not not
too sure that the teachers would have liked
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me too much or anything, but
of a bit of a rat beg probably,
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But yeah, I can't folder enough
the heats of my yeah, good
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mates there and still still friends with
a lot of those guys to this day.
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And yeah, loved it. Twenty
ten was the one hundred and twenty
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fifth year of the college and the
first fifteen that season was something special,
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a special team where some players have
gone on to high ones. Tell us
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about that twenty ten team. Yeah, special teams, special players, special
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players. Man, I actually I
was. I was hardly even in that
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team. I played a few games
here or there, here and there,
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but I was mostly just you know, as a squad member, but didn't
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didn't actually get too much time.
I was sitting behind old Jack solipopper at
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nine and Callum Gill one of the
great forgotten stories and Wellington Rugby. He
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was. He was something special that
could. But yeah, and then so
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those are two of them, probably
lessened n names. But then there's obviously
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Matt Proctor who went on to be
an All Black one game but yeah,
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Ericson who was a bit of a
prodigy in the front row. Donald Brighouse
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is still still playing his trade for
Winer PACIFICA sausage to him. Of other
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who I think he's had a few
games for Southland. He was. He
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was a special talent as well,
that kid. Yeah, but they we
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couldn't get the job done in the
final credit to credit to silver Stream,
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I guess that. Yeah. But
yeah, the one name that really sticks
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out there. Probably a lot of
people haven't heard was Yeah, Callum Girl
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here was our first five and he
was he was a real talent, but
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had a lot of head knocks at
a young age and stuff. But if
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you ask any of those boys from
from that team, though, yeah,
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they'll know what I'm talking about.
With him, only the three losses in
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twenty ten Palmis North Well into College
and then unfortunately the final. What is
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the What do you learn from those
games, particularly the final where you went
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in as the heavy favorites. Yeah, probably two of the biggest, biggest
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games of the year, you know, the ones we always circle on the
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calendars, that the Wends and College
Traditional and obviously if you're lucky enough to
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make it the final, and we've
pulled up short in both of them,
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which is unfortunate. But I guess
that final, Yeah, I wasn't really
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too much part of that team,
so I can't speak for the other boys,
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but watching on it, it did
seem a bit like maybe I don't
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know though, maybe the occasion might
have got to them a bit. I
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don't know. It's hard to speak
seeing as I wasn't wasn't on the field
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for it, but I just watching
it felt like silver Stream were a bit
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more up for the occasion and just
played kind of smarter footy finals footy,
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which yeah, I guess maybe they're
used to being there more often than those
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last previous couple of years or not
too sure what it was, but yeah,
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they just played more clinical footy,
right in right areas of the field,
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kept it tight, especially being a
night game, which we definitely weren't
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used to most of us still aren't
used to. But balls a bit,
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you know, wetter wetter underfoot,
So playing territories probably a bit of a
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smarter idea which we struggled to do. What are the representative teams? Have
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you played for? Not many?
No, Maris. I played for the
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the New Zealand Marius Cults and they
went on like a tour of the East
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Coast which was which was a mean
trip or like yeah, that's always a
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good trip. And then after that
just Wellington Mildies. Since then first year
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for them would have been maybe twenty
fourteen, I think, yeah, twenty
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fourteen, and then in twenty fifteen
I played for Horo Final Capty in the
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Heartland Championship. The clubrooms are currently
being upgraded, will the clubrooms reopen and
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what unique things have been done to
redevelop it. You're asking the wrong guy
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there, mate, I'm not too
sure. There seems to have been planned
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for those clubrooms for the last five
years or so, and I can never
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really get a straight answer about what
what is going on there. But yeah,
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I'm not I'm not too sure.
Sorry, I couldn't tell you.
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That's right. What do you do
during the week. I'm a sparky electrician
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for any actually work work with old
Tynan Barrett who I was I was marking
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on Saturday. Was that's a good
one a workplace, Bencer On the field,
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I pretty good off the field too, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This week other said day you're back
at home, you're playing the Avalon Wolves,
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who are currently witless this season.
How's the team approaching this game?
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And what do you have to watch
out for with the Wolves? Just just
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the same as any other week.
We always say skipping. He always says,
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you know, the most important games, the one, the one in
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Fronny. Can't be worrying about next
week or or anything like that. You
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just got to worry about Saturday and
then doing our job there. Yeah,
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I know, like you said,
they're winless, but man, last couple
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of years it's been they've been a
lot tougher task. Then maybe their their
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position on the table would suggest.
Like I remember last year, I think
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we might have even been down at
halftime, we might have snuck away with
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a fifteen point victory or something.
But they've really Yeah, they're a lot
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tougher task than they have been previously. I think they haven't watched too many
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of the other games, but just
from years previous, I think they're always
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tough, big physical team, always
always a sore body afterwards, no matter
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what the score is. So yeah, yeah, hopefully hopefully I can stay
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out of that and that our big
boys do all the tackling for me.
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But yeah, I just expecting a
tough, physical battle. Yeah, I'm
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just a be to bring it from
from their first minute right to the ADF.
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There is a never say dyke on
a team as well, decland has
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been fantastic having you on the Hodey
Huey tonight or the best for the weekend
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and the rest of the year.
We'll see you around the traps. No
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thanks, mate, Yes, thanks
for having me. There's Declan Hay from
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Orient to Rogatay and what an oppressive
career he has had with Oriental Rogatye played
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for a few clubs, but one
hundred games last year a special moment for
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him as well. Now, earlier
this week I caught up with Ben van
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Berkel, Wellington rugby referee, a
former West's Premier player. He is refereeing
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his fiftieth game this sad Day and
in the off season the Referees of Association
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changed their rules abound when a referee
at the premier level gets a blazer,
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it used to be one hundred and
Ben it's going to be the first one
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to get fifty Premier games and a
blazer. Ironically the one that initiated the
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change. So earlier the week I
caught up with Ben and a good insighted
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for interview about him as a person, but also his background in rugby and
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how he's still heavily involved in the
game today. So this is Ben van
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Berkel preparing for his fiftieth game.
We're here with Ben van burkele Ben van
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Vehicle, one of the premier referees
in Wellington who achieves a significant milestone milestone
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this sad day bring up his fiftieth
game. So Ben, many thanks,
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for coming on the Hadey Huey tonight. Why the change to fifty games because
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for a long time the milestone to
get year PREVI Blazer is one hundred games.
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Why the change? Yeah. When
I joined the Wellington Refereee Executive a
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couple of years ago, I lead
a piece of work around our recognition and
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rewards policy because I felt it was
out of date and it hadn't been reviewed
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in a number of years. And
when I looked into it, I am
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without that. You know, one
hundred PREMI year games. Refereeing on average
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would take kind of ten to twelve
years, and yet all the other clubs
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around the region had Blazer games anywhere
between kind of fifty and we'll try twenty
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five to fifty games, so which
in some cases a year and a half.
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So I put a paper together for
the execut and put the pros and
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cons and compared there against other large
provincial unions around the country. How the
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referee associations are recognize that the Premier
referees and accepted to change it to fifty.
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So we're just in the process of
contacting anyone else at the moment from
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a referee association who's alreadyhit that mark. That leads me on to that question.
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You already have, uh, PREMI
referees past and prison prey gone over
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the fifty game, mate, how
far are you going to go back?
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In particular, is there a restriction
that the executive have laid out? Yeah,
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I mean, like quite a few
people have already got their plays as
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well. I think it's six centurions
that we have and we have I think
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it's about twelve other people who have
either currently or finished their career with fifty
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to one hundred games. So the
execs done recently and kind of come up
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with a criteria around who's eligible for
the Blazer and who's not, Like factors,
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are they still refereeing you sor no? If they haven't refereed or contributed
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to the association in a long time, then that is kind of less likely
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to be eligible for their blazer.
But at the same time, you want
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to make sure that everyone who has
contributed largely in a big way is really
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recognized the saves they have them.
So we'll be reaching out to I think
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it's mind referees in the next week
off from the chance to have a blazer.
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So this said day is going to
be your fiftieth and Blazer game.
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How special will the occasion be for
you and or see your family? Oh
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oh wrote it for sure, but
I'm really looking forward to it. When
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you're refereeing my levelth year and in
the Premier since nineteen, really excited to
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get out there, have some fun
facility take they enjoyed. In terms of
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my family, unfortunately, my mum's
currently got back injury, so my parents
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can't make it down, but I
should have a couple of family moves there
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and be awesome to enjoy it with
him and some other friends and people who
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have been a significant part of my
referring career. What were the challenges when
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you referee Premier rugby compared to the
other grades of rugby and Wellington. It's
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easy to say that you just go
into any game kind of thing and trade
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it the same, but obviously there
is a different level of scrutiny I suppose
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with Premier Rugby because they are all
filmed and a lot of the clubs tend
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to take or that is their number
one team. And I remember one example
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a former Premier referee got head up
by one club who said you like thirteen
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other clubs on Facebook but not ours? Why not? So that's the kind
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of thing that some clubs can kind
of look into when you're about to referee
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them. But at the same time, it's a privilege to represent w RA
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in terms of being a referee in
one of the figurehead competitions in Wellington in
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New Zealand. You go out there
and chuck on that jersey with pride and
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enjoy the communication with both the ars
and the teams, try and have a
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bit of banter and enjoyed as much
as the players. Let's talk through your
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preferation and the lead up to referring
a premier game in the week. Mostly
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you find out your appointment neither Monday
Tuesday, but what happens in the lead
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up during the week up to Saturday. Yeah, We'll probably start on a
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Sunday where I'm actually reviewing the game
I did on a Saturday. That can
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take a couple of hours. When
I'm watching the video of the game,
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recording what decisions I made, whether
they were right or wrong. I'm doing
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my game review, clipping some video
for myself, my coaches, other with
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one and two referees in my assistant
referees. On the Monday night we'll get
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together or every fortnight is a wementson
association cover off different teen topics. For
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example, this week was any game
refereeing New Projects Argentina. I'm just kind
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of going through the pressure and what
changes towards the end of the game,
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and I'm make sure that you are
staying focused on what trees you need to
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have a place to manage those last
kind of tea twenty minutes pretty well.
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I think we hit my appointments on
Tuesday and from here here I know exactly
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what's going on. So for example, this week and it's the twenty of
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each travel on Thursday, I will
seeing out some comms to my to a
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system referees. Throughout the week,
I'm doing at exercise, were running and
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go to the gym, trying to
stay fo avoiding with the bad food which
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is not particularly got it. But
we've got a leave as well. And
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then the Friday and give my kit
beg ready for that. I've got Thursday,
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got the game planing ready seeing at
the cons the as Friday, give
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my all my kit beg ready.
Mhm cheap. If I've got to leave
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pass from my fiance. Often she'll
just cry herself as a refering window throughout
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the the season, because yeah,
like I said, it does take up
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a bit of time, but you
get to the ground long in time for
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a one o'clock kickoff to watch a
bit of the cults in prem two games
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if they're at the same ground,
or whichever game is on the field before
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you. Yeah, set up the
comms and s a P. So I
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can leave them in peace and also
have my own time for a good forty
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Yeah, that's all my time and
it's just coats on out on the field.
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Whither away. What has been your
most memorable game that you ever free
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to day? I will be the
very first one that I still remember it.
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You were actually bred at the new
referees coach. Normally with new referees,
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they chuck you. They don't appoint
you to anything until the college season.
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But I remember they were short in
early April, so I was given
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a Praezies game. And with the
most Praezies games, the only person who
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doesn't matter on the field is the
referee. So that this was at len
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Who's Park, norths And I still
remember going up to the front rows just
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trying to have that front row talk, and they just laughed at me,
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saying, we don't push in the
scrums. But I just got blowing away
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how quick it was kind of thing, and how difficult refereeing was because things
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just happened very quickly and you make
all the second decisions and people are thoughts.
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But it was just a bit earthly, honest. But yeah, like
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I say, I had yourself there. I think it was Mark fair made
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male short figure. Quite a few
people there supporting me, so that was
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great. I'm going to ask you
what has been your most challenging game in
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your referring career, because you mentioned
about management. Sometimes you get you get
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those moments where you get challenged quite
quite a lot. Yeah, probably my
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first Jubilee Cup game a couple of
years ago. Hardor Boys Verst Panicky Hordor
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Boys won that by about four points
I think, But that was a kind
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of a touch struggle throughout and there
was a lot of management going on then
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00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.880
towards the end, and I remember
there was a couple of contentious decisions and
406
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.039
right at the end I awarded a
penalty to Hard Boys and they just had
407
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.280
to tap it and kick it out, but they kind of fumbled it,
408
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.760
but fumbled it backwards and then to
kick it out and then there's a bit
409
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:13.039
of a malee afterwards, but a
push and shelf, and that's just where
410
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.239
you've got to make sure that you
are staying on top of those things because
411
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:22.400
the kennis really quickly. But part
of that is also being ath to the
412
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.480
players in situation and trying to build
that relationship with them throughout the game or
413
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:32.519
before in throughout the game, to
get some relationship credits in the bank,
414
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:38.000
so to speak, for when times
did you get tough? Where did your
415
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:44.159
junior rugby begin? Because I believe
you're from the Hawk's Bay and that's where
416
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:49.519
you grew up. Yep, born
and raised in Hawks Bay, a little
417
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.760
place called Bayview, just north of
the airport, which means I started playing
418
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:59.679
started playing for squ rugby when I
was five. It was about two minutes
419
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:05.679
drive home Agawn containing domain, and
played all my junior rugby frees for you
420
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.480
love that it's kind of semi rural
country club. Had a lot of fun
421
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.119
with him, and yeah, learned
the way I kind of started. I
422
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:20.559
mean, everyone's running around like headless
chickens when he kind of five, six
423
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.960
seven years older. I always claim
that I started as a fallback, but
424
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:28.360
as the years developed, I just
got closer and close to the action and
425
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.920
then got stuck in the front row. By the time I was kind of
426
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.800
under the eleven under twelves, but
I've got no problem admitting on the front
427
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:43.480
rover. And well that's a proper
rocket throat senior days as well, the
428
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.039
teachers all skilled the dark art,
so to speak. We'll come back to
429
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:52.199
the question around the dark hearts very
soon, but your product of no Per
430
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.320
Boys High School, tell us about
your time there and what was the highest
431
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.920
team you played for at the college. He was a Navy Boys from ninety
432
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.079
nine to two thousand and three.
At the time, first fifteen was very
433
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:14.360
successful, win a couple of national
titles. At one point of thing was
434
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:20.719
two thousand and one. Our whole
four pack was also the Hurricanes under school
435
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:27.280
four pack. Jose Smith was a
coach there all the time. Apparently he's
436
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:34.159
gone on to be a half decent
coach a couple of different places. But
437
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:39.719
for me, most of my time
was spent in the second and also the
438
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.199
third fifteen, which was effectually known
as the grass Rooters fifteen. But I
439
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.719
did go on a tiller with our
first fifteen to South America in my seventh
440
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:59.079
form year. Played seven games over
there throughout four weeks, and great experience.
441
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.239
He's a very upper class fall in
South America. So when we were
442
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.559
kind of billeted out, I remember
one in Argentina, we had you know,
443
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:13.639
in house chef and you were just
told, if you're hungry at any
444
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.880
point in the night, just call
them up. So you kind of get
445
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.360
the midnight mun cheese and call them
up. He'll cook your out, misteak.
446
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:25.280
And it's great experience. And everyone's
quite small over there. In June.
447
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:30.000
Also, everyone thought were the whole
touring party was kind of in the
448
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.800
early twenties, so had a couple
of beers and all sorts and shouldn't really
449
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.400
admit that, but had a lot
of fun with that. Those got old
450
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.719
days, weren't they. So yeah, So why the move down to the
451
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:52.320
capital city after your college years?
I started down here two thousand and four.
452
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:58.320
I moved down here for UNI.
I was here, well came down
453
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:06.039
to study marine biology. He started
then four and got my masters in seven.
454
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:15.320
Did half Masses and Wellington and half
in Sydney. Yeah, so inically
455
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.679
before I moved down to Wellington,
I moved into fake house. And growing
456
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.000
up on a lifehold like and ap, you just used to having you know,
457
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.639
green, green grass and clean land
every week. So moving into a
458
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.920
shoe box at kind of vic house
was a shock to the system. But
459
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:37.079
it was a great experience, oh
week touring the town and doing all the
460
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.360
different pubs and that kind of thing, and meeting everyone, and they just
461
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.159
kind of evolved from there throughout Union. You make some friends for life,
462
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.280
and I'd be friends for life as
well, even in Sydney when I moved
463
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.880
over there. So well, Wellington's
home now and I bought probably down here
464
00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:00.199
ten years ago, so I even
call Itllington home now. Of course,
465
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.079
you're propped a prop tour. In
rugby referee, there was always hope out
466
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:12.519
there for front rowers to continue running
after they playing careers. And yeah,
467
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.159
I mean like front rowers are typically
the best looking players anyway, they put
468
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:21.800
in the least effort with the makeup
departiament, unlike the wingers and the first
469
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:27.639
fives and that kind of thing.
But like most front rowers, fitness was
470
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:36.039
never my most favorite thing when I
was playing, but you know, you
471
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:40.920
get away with it and you had
a part before the game and from there
472
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.280
when I moved into hooker, I
kind of had you a little bit further
473
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.559
because they're a bit warm and have
to get a little bit more. But
474
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.559
I fell in love with refereeing after
I finish playing with running, lost a
475
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:04.199
lot of weight through running, did
a couple of marathons, and yeah,
476
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.079
that definitely happened my referring. I
was referring for a couple years before I
477
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:12.000
found that. I'll see the background. There's a picture of you. There
478
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.920
is that you doing a marathon?
Which one is that? Oh yep,
479
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:28.360
that's me running the Tunlacky Marathon probably
about twenty sixteen. That one was skinny
480
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:35.440
and I could run at quick pace
or run forty two k's for ships and
481
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.800
giggles. Prop can do a marathon, after all, can they? So?
482
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.440
Now, between twenty and six to
twenty thirteen you played your rugby for
483
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:51.840
Western Suburbs the West Roosters. How
was your time there playing for the Roosters
484
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:59.159
out at Iain Gallaway, Yeah,
I loved that. Yeah, my very
485
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:06.199
first game there was two thousand and
four when I started a mate from vic
486
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.440
Cows had a mate his brother was
already playing for Wests and the trial game,
487
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.159
so I was told a couple of
hours before one, you come along
488
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.559
and play, and I got injured
in their very first game. I tore
489
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:22.920
my labor and I didn't play again
in two thousand and four. But that
490
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:28.039
game was a culture shop because coming
from Nap Boys, where it's a predominantly
491
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.800
like a pucky house school kind of
thing, and in the showers afterwards,
492
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.519
no one's drinking beer or that kind
of thing. It's it's a completely different
493
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:45.000
environment going from a pucky house school
into a multicultural senior club. He played
494
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:50.519
cults there two thousand and five,
had a great thing, and yet Scott
495
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.159
Croton and our coach fought on really
well with him and another xprop of course,
496
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.599
and he had always picked me up, take me to practices. And
497
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.119
since he played one hundred games for
the Lions, he got seasons passes to
498
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.639
the Hurricanes and the Lions, and
he'd always give me a season passer.
499
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:13.760
That was cool to go along and
Jason Free rugby. But yeah, I
500
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.679
made a Premier Day book two thousand
and six. One of the I have
501
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:24.960
of that game is feel you came
back to place one hundredth game and he
502
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.079
was playing and James inner, but
I was the hooker at the time,
503
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.000
but he was Mole as he was
known. He was moving to Tarahanaki,
504
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.360
so I was kind of shoulder taped
to take his spot. And I came
505
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.039
on late in the second half of
my debut and very first thing I had
506
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:47.119
to do was throw the line out
to feel and that's not I thought I'd
507
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.840
ever be doing. But I nailed
that first one, one of the few
508
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.760
I probably did nail. But from
there, yeah, I was pretty much
509
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:04.039
a fixture in the premier team until
twenty the team twenty three, I fell
510
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.079
out of love with the game,
to be honest, I can't enjoy the
511
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:14.559
two days of their practices instead of
games, feeling old on Sunday, So
512
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:21.400
I kind of stepped away from the
team, didn't play rugby for a good
513
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.960
month or two, and then you
just started playing socially for a MAT's team
514
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.920
in the reserve grade then supports.
The end of that season, I remember
515
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:38.519
I played for seven different seven different
teams over seven different weeks, just playing
516
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:45.280
wherever anyone needed me, including a
couple of games on nature. Of course,
517
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.480
the West Roosters have a very strong
junior level, but at the senior
518
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.320
side, they've sort of been struggling. I think they've only got one team
519
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:59.480
this season. Is there chance that
they can rebuild that club? What do
520
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.840
you reckon? Oh? Look,
I'd like to think so, because as
521
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.199
you say, they've got a very
strong junior club in a massive catchment pool
522
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:13.119
with Corey being one of our larger
suburbs in Wellington. But a lot of
523
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.239
the junior club once they go off
to secondary school, like if they go
524
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.239
to Cole, they often played for
over you after I finished at Cole.
525
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.440
If they go to Town they often
played for in his peak afterwards a romance
526
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:30.440
time means all these kinds of things. We don't have a connection to col
527
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:36.360
so to speak. But as you
say, they've only got one team,
528
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.800
which is what the reserve grade team. Twenty thirteen was the last year West
529
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:45.000
had the premier team after they dropped
away from Premiere in twenty fourteen. We
530
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:52.599
I think it was year one PREMI
reserve team and a couple other senior teams
531
00:46:52.639 --> 00:47:00.880
and sadly just is a lot of
clubs are experiencing participation is dropping away in
532
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.039
the core kind of fifteen a side
senior game at the moment. So yeah,
533
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:07.840
the reserve grade team is still there, but they five team is no
534
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:13.639
longer the prasiest team, the premi
team team, then the first grade team
535
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.199
order it was called back in the
time. But hey, look you look
536
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:21.119
at other clubs like the x Men, for example, they were really struggling
537
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.840
a few years ago, going back
maybe a decade ago, but they built
538
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:30.079
themselves back up into a premier side
with quit quite a number of senior teams.
539
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:36.039
Again, so never say never,
but yeah, just I'm not sure
540
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.639
how that's going to happen, to
be honest, what was your best moment
541
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:49.079
for the West Rooster's premier level?
Oh? Hey, look, I played
542
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:53.639
against or played with some great,
great people like Kane Thompson, Alert Mooney
543
00:47:54.199 --> 00:48:01.199
It's goot, Fugus Star, Toby
Robson, Scottie Laden Tar feel to your
544
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:07.079
tea, Alamo Ramea. It was
all great kind of playing with him.
545
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:14.000
But one random specific memory I have
was what I mean or about twenty ten,
546
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.599
Luke Marney was playing for the Hurricanes
at the time. Is there kind
547
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.239
of backup hooker and he came back, came back to play club rugby,
548
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.199
but I kept him on the bench. I was like, I'll take that
549
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:30.280
one. But then during that game, I was playing each Jeremy's thrush.
550
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.480
He was playing for Hardboys, and
I just I'm not sure how I did
551
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.559
it, but I threw like the
perfect lineout ball where it went just over
552
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:44.920
Jeremy thrust his fingers into how jump
his fingers Hamish Irving, I think it
553
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.840
was. And that's just one of
those how did that kind of happen?
554
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:54.639
Memory? So yeah, that's probably
one of my favorite memories. Or I
555
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.800
remember getting a try on their old
Timer's day. I didn't score many tries,
556
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:04.440
but I ripped the ball out of
I think with a pony more than
557
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:08.920
flocked about five y I want.
I know, there's pretty good memories,
558
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:15.639
but yeah, seems a long time
ago. Now. The front rower well
559
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:21.199
known as having words of wisdom at
scrum time. You mentioned about the dark
560
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:27.679
arts. How do you relate that
Being a former front rower and you're refereeing
561
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:32.199
now, is what's your chet like
with the front rows at scrum tom?
562
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.719
Yeah, I'm all leading into the
chap if I can, and obviously they
563
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:44.960
will tell me what's going on and
what the opposition is doing illegally, and
564
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.360
I'll took just laugh it off because
you've got to trust your own pictures and
565
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:53.360
after having twenty odd years in the
front row, I probably do have beert
566
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:59.559
scrum pictures as the referee then a
lot of the other referees there. So
567
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:06.000
in terms of the dark arts or
the chat, like I said, tribull
568
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.400
that relationship before the game and after
the fifty odd games, you know the
569
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:14.840
props pretty well. What was the
geneman. So you can have a bit
570
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:20.119
of bands with them or trying to
step with step relationship and get that buying
571
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:25.719
with them. But like the dark
ants is when so much that he's stubble
572
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:31.280
and they're trying to roll away with
the other person or buying a little pinch
573
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:38.599
underneath the the the ump or they're
just boring in the arts is coming out
574
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.960
that kind of thing. So the
band is Look, you're allowed because it's
575
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.559
part of the game as long as
it doesn't go too far, even partaking
576
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:52.239
it if you're if I really feel
like it, but it's more Yeah,
577
00:50:52.840 --> 00:51:00.360
you just trust your instincts and call
call the pictures you see. Really,
578
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.639
now, how did you become interested
in rugby referee and how did you find
579
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:13.920
the transition from playing to being a
referee. Yeah, I was always a
580
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:17.159
bit of a Yeppie front Rower is
you're kind of already touched on. And
581
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:23.000
I was always giving plenty of referees
advice back when I was playing. I
582
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:29.239
was looking at a list of referees
that I kind of that refereed me when
583
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.480
I was playing, and includes likes, Yeah, David Walsh, Mike Fraser,
584
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.760
Garrett Williamson, Gordon Oblecambell, Brent
Murray, Hamish Mixtead Scott's Argentina,
585
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:45.760
Richard Gordon, Vinnie ring Rose.
So it's cold now. I'm still interacting
586
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:46.760
with a lot of those people.
When she was on the other foot,
587
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:53.239
I thought I would have paid to
be refereeing me because I was always kind
588
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:57.760
of yeppie and taking the piss out
of referees and that kind of thing.
589
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.559
So I fell out of love and
with the game. In twenty thirteen,
590
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.280
I thought I still wanted to be
involved, but not have the commitment of
591
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.559
a Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.
So at the start of the twenty fourteen
592
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.679
season, I reached out to a
family friend, Gary Wise. He was
593
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:20.960
an ex professional referee based out of
Hawk's Bay, and his advice was just
594
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.679
give it a go. It can't
hurt, And I was like, suit.
595
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:27.000
He's actually got a point. If
I don't like it, I can
596
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.559
just stop. But nothing being insured, nothing gains a well people to go.
597
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:37.039
I reached out to the Wellington Break
the Referee's Association on your Facebook page
598
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:43.760
said I was interested in Mark Fairmade, who's still heavily involved now he's currently
599
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.840
our president. He reached out to
me. He gave me a call and
600
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:52.280
kind of spoke me through how it
all works as the first year and I
601
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.039
spoke about my playing career and he
goes, okay, now, well that's
602
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:00.159
a good start for a referee.
You should know the laws. And yeah,
603
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.440
after Mark reached out to me and
went to along to a couple of
604
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.039
TED sessions and that, Yeah,
Mike, I've really touched on your running
605
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.320
the first year group that year,
Brad than he was about a dozen of
606
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:14.159
us, I think, so I
was correat to have those weekly meetings.
607
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:22.119
Just learn the intricacies of refereeing tea
get slowly and you slowly pick up different
608
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.599
habits and improve along the way with
planning and support. And he gets some
609
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:31.400
pretty sweet gear to referee in and
like I said, there's a great support
610
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.519
network there and it definitely does have
its challenges. I can't deny that.
611
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.159
Whether it's a bit of sideline abuse, particularly at the college or junior level,
612
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.280
or some foul play at the senior
level that kind of thing, or
613
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:52.239
some some tasty characters. But at
the same time, it does help you
614
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.920
build resilience and it could become improves
you as a person. To teach us
615
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:05.159
some great life skills, gives your
time and space to think about decisions which
616
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:10.199
you can bring into real life situations. So definitely no regrets in terms of
617
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:14.519
giving it to go, and I
fully encourage you anyone else who is thinking
618
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:19.079
about it. Differing Also, you
have a mentor that works with you.
619
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.840
Who is that mentor or that one
person that's helped you in your journey so
620
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:30.440
far? Biggest influence in my referring
career would be Warren Cornell well Q for
621
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:36.800
sure. He's a long time coach
John Wellington, and he's recently moved up
622
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.800
to HK because he lives in pike
Cock. But I've been working with him
623
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:45.519
since about twenty seventeen, I think, and he doesn't come to a lot
624
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.119
of my games, to be honest, but he's the kind of person that
625
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:57.079
will just challenge your thinking and make
you come or work up the ants yourself
626
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.000
with actually knowing that he's helped you
work out the answer. So now we've
627
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:10.280
worked really well together. And yeah, uh a lot to Warren normally every
628
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.280
baking some cookies and that kind of
thing because that's the way there was hot
629
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:22.320
or just check them cattle or something. But he's really hard with me,
630
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:30.599
and I definitely said I'd like to
think it's a mutualistic relationship where he helps
631
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:37.239
me a ship time with referee,
but yeah, I think I help him,
632
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:43.159
you know, whether it's assessing his
tender dates these days or anything else
633
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:51.679
with the cookies. And we catch
up very eagerly over a coffee or a
634
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:58.760
beer, and he's he's definitely more
profile figuring out on the mental. Very
635
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:04.000
thankful for him. Lucky as user
name is not Q for you, isn't
636
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:10.920
it. You've got a degree in
marine biology but you work for New Zealand
637
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.920
Rugby. What is your role with
the with the Rugby union and what do
638
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:22.079
you do? Uh? Yeah,
when I graduated, I had all these
639
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.719
big plans, if you being ring
boy, just because it's something I've always
640
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:30.519
been passionate about. I love the
ocean and I love fishing. But when
641
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:35.280
I graduated was when Ministry of Fisheries
and Ministry of Forestry moved into MPO,
642
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:40.400
so there was basically no jobs in
the market, so I just took My
643
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:46.480
first job was done working for police
and the professional standards. I'm looking into
644
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:54.159
allegations of an appropriate police behavior basically, and I was a police for seven
645
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:59.440
years and a number of roles,
and from there I moved into Contact Energy
646
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:04.679
for three years as a health and
safety analyst and now I've been at Rugby
647
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:08.679
for coming up four and a half
years. My job title is participation INLYST,
648
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:15.199
so I work out how many players, coaches, referees, admins are
649
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:22.840
in the country, break that into
the different provincial unions and the different demographics,
650
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.639
and work out where we need to
invest money to get new players into
651
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:31.360
the game or retain players, and
work out for kind of experience, how
652
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:39.639
players, coaches or coaches will volunteers
of Heaven to try and increase retention,
653
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:44.840
which is something that we're all trying
to do, which means you're having a
654
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:49.400
better experience and more likely come back
the next year. Outside of that,
655
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:54.519
there's a bit of a financial component
to what I do, and yeah,
656
00:57:54.599 --> 00:58:04.079
Jackie or trades is needed. Now
you mentioned about participation, what's the number
657
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:07.519
of referees in Wellington like for season
twenty twenty four, because there's a few
658
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:15.440
provincial unions that have already put out
the pleas for helping with referee particularly down
659
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:20.360
at Otago. They put a social
media message out about two weeks ago say
660
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.000
they're in danger of not covering all
their games. So what's the numbers like
661
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:30.199
in Wellington? Wellington, We're still
always looking for more referees. This year,
662
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:35.360
I think we're in the mid seventies, but ideally you want about one
663
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.800
hundred to be honest, because particularly
in college starts in a couple of weeks,
664
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:46.119
there are a good hundred games of
rugby to cover every week. So
665
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.280
yeah, even though seventy five we're
doing okay now, once the rugby picks
666
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:57.000
up, we definitely need more.
And like I've ready touched on, a
667
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:01.199
lot of people think why they shouldn't
be referee To me, I'd just like
668
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:08.039
to flip their thinking and say why
should they be Instead of being those keyboard
669
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:13.880
warriors thinking that decision was wrong when
they're watching you know Super Rugby or the
670
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:19.000
or Max Callum, we can educate
you around how to make those decisions,
671
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:22.639
and literally is the best set in
the house. It's the old corny line
672
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:29.840
that you're with. You're within kind
of ten meters of the action the whole
673
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.719
game. You're hearing those big hits, you're seeing the great play, the
674
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.719
great parcel, the chip and chase, and you're right there in the current
675
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:44.320
situations, hopefully not having anything to
do with the outcome, but you are
676
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:47.199
facilitating a game. You're out there
enjoying it just as much as hopefully the
677
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:54.760
other thirty players are. There are
some new rule variations and grasstreets for rugby
678
00:59:54.760 --> 01:00:00.400
this year. What are some of
those that are happening at Wellington? No,
679
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:06.199
to be fair, the only change
this year is the twenty minute recard,
680
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:10.320
so anyone who has recarded can be
replaced after twenty minutes. It's the
681
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:15.400
same law that's been in super rapid
for a couple of years now. But
682
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:22.440
last year there was a couple of
changes. While some are just law changes,
683
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:30.159
and then there's also experimental law variations
or New Zealand Rugby years their own
684
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:37.320
experiment domestic Safety RWs. So last
year the likes of a half back can't
685
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.239
go past the tunnel the scrum.
Personally, I really like that idea.
686
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:47.880
It frees up the number eight or
the half back to have some space and
687
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:54.360
not be handled by the defensive nine. The big change that everyone was talking
688
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:59.719
about was the sternum tackle. The
first player has to tackle below the sternum.
689
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.760
That's just to promote the ballet tackle, so to speak. And that's
690
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:07.360
a play a safety measure, which
got a lot of negative feedback when it
691
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:13.880
came out, but everyone's kind of
embraced it now and it's happening across the
692
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:19.559
world, so I think it's been
successful. The stats are you know,
693
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.239
there's disconcussions and list injuries that kind
of thing, and teams have teams and
694
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:31.360
referees have adapted to that change.
So yeah, I think you never want
695
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:35.880
to put too many law changes in
and but you do have to change some
696
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.400
things to adapt to, you know, trends in the game or to make
697
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:45.920
it more attractive. What would be
one law that you would change and why
698
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:52.320
it doesn't happen so much in club
rugby but I hated and Super rugby and
699
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:58.800
international rugby. The caterpillar at the
back of the ruck, where you'll have
700
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:04.079
a ruck and then you can hear
you know, three guys caterpillaring? Is
701
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:09.880
that a word attaching to each others
behind the ruck? And that just gives
702
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:15.239
the box kicker. Were the nine
a lot more time for the box kick
703
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:21.960
so to me? Or either remove
the ability to caterpillar or change it from
704
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:25.639
five seconds to three seconds when the
balls clearly won, just to speed up
705
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:31.760
the game and make it a bit
more contestable. This said day but Tony
706
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:38.480
versus Johnsonville for your fiftieth appearance.
You've already had but Tony this season.
707
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:44.480
Your thoughts on this round four match
because this looks like it's going to be
708
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:49.639
a bit of a beauty of a
match. Yeah, you say, two
709
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.760
good teams going at it. Weather
forecast looks good touch wood. So when
710
01:02:53.760 --> 01:03:00.000
I had a Tony round one Verstawer, it was even for the first fifth
711
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.840
the minutes, and then Patany got
three quick tries and ended up winning thirty
712
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:10.559
seventeen. But they were pretty well
drilled. One thing that first game was
713
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:16.400
the scrum was really solids, Patoni. I had one reset and one d
714
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:22.719
you think it was? So I'm
expecting it a good up front bet because
715
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:30.880
watching Cambell Berrier's game he did Jabel
versus the x Men last weekend. J
716
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:37.480
will definitely attack the scrum, so
I'm expecting a good battle there. But
717
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.280
you look at the patony backline that
they had last last week. It was
718
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.239
I think quite a few super rugby
players and so obviously they'll want to provide
719
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:50.320
a good platform for them. But
that just means, yeah, the fourth
720
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:55.320
have to lay their platform. So
I know Jay will play a really wide
721
01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:00.440
game. They're not the biggest of
teams, but they're really fit and I
722
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.400
often play side the side trying to
run around teams up through them, so
723
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.079
to challenge for me just to keep
up with them and make sure I need
724
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:14.159
to make the decisions. But I've
got a good relationship with both teams in
725
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:18.079
terms of table I used to Jason
Edinson used to coach for the at West
726
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:25.599
and I used to play with them
LSS the coach just there's Platoniano Fresch,
727
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:32.000
wild Will and I work with Cam
Prowding and Israel Gay managers. I've got
728
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:35.440
a good relationship with both teams and
it should be a thing. Boon Bell,
729
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:40.880
Yeah, I've touched on it.
I would to have as a little
730
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.280
to do who it upcomes possible,
but just help us sort of tats them
731
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:48.639
on the rope and there players,
myself and fans and do it. Then
732
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:53.880
It's been fantastic having on the Huey
tonight, all the best for your game
733
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:59.840
on said day and being the first
referee Wellington to get a blazer at fifty.
734
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:06.480
Thank you very much much cheers for
your time, appreciate it. So
735
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:14.920
that was Ben van Berkel. What
a significant milestone for him this coming weekend
736
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.440
and it's going to be vitally important
for him to make sure he enjoys the
737
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:26.519
occasion. But speaking of which,
it's round four of the Swindeal's Shield and
738
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:32.599
we're going to preview these games.
There's some quite some interesting blockbusters up here
739
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:36.800
for the Swindows Shield. So let's
look at the first game. This is
740
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:43.239
Huddle Boys Marit against the Billy Goats
out there at the heart Wreck, the
741
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:47.119
first home game for the Eagles.
They're taking on the Billy Goats who had
742
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:53.559
a twenty one points to seven lead
at halftime against Potoni last week end up
743
01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:57.599
losing forty points to twenty nine.
So the Billy Goats will be looking to
744
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.920
get back onto the winning streak now
Huddle Boys. They've had three pretty comfortable
745
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:06.480
games the x Men first up and
then Avalon and so they'll be looking to
746
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:12.960
continue on their winning ways. The
Eagles, they've been pretty impressive so far
747
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:16.639
at home at the Heart Recreational Ground. I'm picking it will be the Eagles
748
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:19.920
that will be the victors in this
game. Now, you'll be able to
749
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:27.760
catch Heart versus Old Boys University on
Tierpooka or Tiekea radio. So there's eleven
750
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:32.639
sixty one AM and eighty seven point
six FM and also the fair Corddo app.
751
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:36.920
You can download that on any of
the apps there. Tearpooker. They
752
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:41.320
do a good job on the radio
commentary and it'll be Gordon Noble Campbell that
753
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:45.320
will have the call on that game. Second matches Maras Saint Pats versus Why
754
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.960
Neuia Marta. Mara Saint Pats are
in fine form. Alongside Huddle Boys Mouse.
755
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.519
The two Catholics are the only undefeated
teams in the competition so far.
756
01:06:54.920 --> 01:07:00.960
Why Neuia Marta have had a narrow
loss to Pornikey last week and then they
757
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.760
had a big loss to Old Boys
University. Maras Saint Pats are showing real
758
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:09.480
signs of being one of the teams
to watch out for this season, so
759
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:15.119
I'm picking the City Catholics in this
game the victors there. They'll be a
760
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:19.920
battle between two versus ten on the
table. Next up out at Jerry Collins
761
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:26.199
Stadium is Norths versus the x Men. Now the x Men of course sept
762
01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:29.800
for round one where h Old Boys
gave them a bit of a tidy up.
763
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.679
Last week they had a high scoring
affair with Johnsonville, so already showing
764
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:36.920
a sign that they can play on
a dry track. Norfs at home is
765
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:43.039
always tough and I suspect Norths will
be the victors at home in this match.
766
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.280
North's currently sitting in twelfth on the
table and the x Men fourteen.
767
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:54.960
Our guest Declan Hay will be turning
out for Rington Wrongati this weekend as they
768
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:58.920
take on the windless Avalon Wolves,
who are currently thirteenth on the table.
769
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:02.559
As Declan said on the broadcast before, you can never take the Wolves lightly,
770
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:05.800
and in particular, the Wolves will
step up for this game. They
771
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:11.000
always like the good physical battle against
the Magpies, but I'm picking the Magpies
772
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:14.960
in this one at home at the
Polo Ground. Next up. This is
773
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:18.399
always a real good match here between
the street kids and they call themselves the
774
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:25.760
wolf packets Pornike Het versus Tawer now
Pornike at home narrow went over Wainui last
775
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:30.800
week. Tawer had a very high
scoring game with marras Saint Pats and at
776
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:35.079
leads Sea sort a lot in that
game. Uh Tayler beating Paramata of Plymouth
777
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:39.960
are just their only win of the
season so far. But I'm gonna go
778
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.600
Pornicky in this one. I did
pick them, didn't pick them last week.
779
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:45.920
I've picked Wainui to beat them last
week, so I'm gonna go Pornickey
780
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:50.520
on this one to win this game. Next up, well, this is
781
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:56.159
another match you know, round one
of the Swindow Shield last year. This
782
01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:01.000
was an impressive game which resulted in
Paramatter's only loss of the first round of
783
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:08.079
the Swindow Shield last year. The
Upper Heart Rams of course five or halftime
784
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:12.119
against Ari's and then lost at the
end last week, so they will be
785
01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:15.119
hurting. They won't be without Cino
Sonali. Last Thursday he got called up
786
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:21.479
to the New Zealand under twenties squad, So congratulations to Sino alongside Stanley Solomon's
787
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:26.760
also in that squad as well.
Paramount of plumaton Berg waring last week against
788
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.600
the Avalon Wolves at home, and
they've turned Nannie Tail Domain into a part
789
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:33.960
of a fortress out there, and
it is a tough ground to play at
790
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:39.039
the crowd right around the edges and
I'm probably going to go the home side
791
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:43.399
on this one here, Paramount of
Plymbton to win this round four fixture.
792
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:47.279
Yeah, coming up to this game
here in particular, this is the game
793
01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:53.119
that will be live streaming this weekend. It's the home side Patoni taking on
794
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.600
Johnsonville. Anything to go by last
year's game, which I think from memory
795
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:02.359
was round two, Poni only snuck
home late in the piece. And then
796
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:06.479
of course Johnsonville was in none of
those fairy tale stories last year, qualifying
797
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:11.720
in the top four at the end
of the Swindale Shield and hosting main semi
798
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:15.640
final. Now being beaten by the
eventual Jubilee Cup winners are into a wrong
799
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:19.479
attie. But the scenes there at
Holston Park we're impressive. This game is
800
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:25.359
at the Batoni Wreck and this will
be on HOTEI Sports YouTube. Our coverage
801
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:29.399
will start roughly around two forty PM, so we look forward for you to
802
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:32.239
be watching that on Honey Sports YouTube. Are going to be going Pa Toni
803
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:36.680
in this one. Riley Higgins is
on the bench for the Hurricanes this weekend
804
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:41.239
so he won't be making an appearance, but the Patony back line will be
805
01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:45.199
one to watch and if they can
get going through their captain TJ Clark,
806
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:51.399
they are very dangerous. So that
is the fixtures for this weekend in the
807
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:56.600
Round four of the Swindale Shield.
As always, we would like to thank
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our sponsors. Louis Ready in New
Zealand. Travel Broke if you need any
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travel advice is one of the people
to go to. She is a fantastic
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sponsor. This is the third year
she's been on board and right from day
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one. Pinfol Plumbing and drain Laying
Limited has been here right from the start
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when Hodey Sports started to take off. He's been vital asset. You might
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Pinfold a former Premier referee who also
has rugby players working under his business as
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well, So give those two a
shout and help support their businesses. As
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always, if you're willing to help
us, always on the lookout for support
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here with Honey Sports. We can
promote your life, stream, social media
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pages, websites, support the local
community. The most important thing though,
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is to keep Hoddy Sports for free
on YouTube. We want to make sure
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that we can bring you coverage,
but we do need to help out paying
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for our cameramen, etc. And
our graphics department that do the studying graphics
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that we do. So if you
can help us out in any way,
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that will be fantastic. Now tomorrow
is as Zac Day. Make sure you
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get out to any of these servial
tomorrow. Will it be a dawn service
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or within your community where there is
going to be somewhere out there to commemorate
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those who fought for our freedom.
So less we forget get out there Forensic
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Day tomorrow. Now, next week's
Honey Hue, It's going to be Wednesday,
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the first of May, same time, seven pm. And there looks
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like it's going to be another Bumpet
episode that one. So we're really looking
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forward to the guests we're going to
have on next Wednesday. So yeah,
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so Honey Sports, we're underway again
for season twenty twenty four. Plenty of
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want to come, so we look
forward to having you watch the coverage on
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said day for the Tony Wreck until
now, enjoy the rest of your week
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and I'm Brad Hudson chall for now.