Experiences with the Otherwolds - Military & the Paranormal - Florida Cryptids | Chris Cabrera

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The systems which are in place to keep the world
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same are in utterly inadequate to the forces that have
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been unleashed.
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Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew.
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Today my guest is Christopher Cabrera. First, be sure to
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be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledgenews at gmail dot com. Today,
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I want to welcome Christopher Cabrera. He was a twenty
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year freelance journalist for Insomniac Magazine. He served in the
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United States Air Force for four years. He is also
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a content creator and host of the Universal Dialect show
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and the My Paranormality podcast. He is also a lifelong
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experiencer of paranormal phenomena. Christopher, Welcome, How you doing.
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I'm doing good, my man. It's pleasure to meet you. Chris.
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It's great to meet you. You're one of those fascinating
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individuals that for some reason experiences high strangeness and paranormal phenomena.
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In my perspective, your experiences and others like it give
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people that have never had these experiences a chance to
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try and have an understanding of paranormal UFOs, human psychology,
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and even consciousness. And this is one of my favorite
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topics to cover, especially with people who've experienced these things
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for themselves. And I know you have a lot to
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get to in a short amount of time before we do.
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Tell the audience just a little bit about yourself and
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if they'd like to find out more. Is there any
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other website or anything else you got going on?
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Oh, I consider myself just a normal dude that's just
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had weird experiences in my life. If you want to
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know more about me initially right now, I have a
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YouTube page call Arise Creations is on there. I was
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doing a podcast called The Universal Dialog Show. I was
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up to about like forty something episodes. I had like
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a health issue that's kept me away from it. But
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once I get back on track, I might start it
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back up. So if anybody wants to do that, you know,
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check me out there. I've been on other podcasts Tony
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Merkles The Confessionals twice. We were supposed to do a
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third one. We just haven't figured out the time yet.
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Our dude writer Lee the Man, I was on the
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show once, probably about a month and a half ago.
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Two months ago. I've been on Mystery Wire, which is
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Georgia Knapps his web page. Shannon Legros Into the Fray,
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I was on that. Another friend of mine no more Slevic.
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I want to believe I was on his show. So
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I've been around, you know, so people want to find
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out my story a little bit more in depth. In case,
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you know, we don't have time here, they can check
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those out. Right.
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Well, if you don't have time today, I'd definitely love
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to have you back on and get into more because
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it sounds like you've got plenty to discuss. So let's
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start out with where this all started for you. How
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did this all begin? I know you said from a
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very early age you were having experiences, right.
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Yes, sir, I'm originally from New York City. I was
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born in seventy three in New York City. And at
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the time of me starting to notice these experiences, I
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was living with a single mother at the time, and
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I had an older sibling, my sister and a younger
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brother and we were living in the Bronx at the time.
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And this is the seventies, so you know, economically, you know,
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the world was taken a hit, particularly in New York City,
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so we were living in like really like harsh times.
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So anyway, it all started with like seeing like these
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shadow things. They call them shadow beings, but I think
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that's a misnomer because they don't always take the form
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of a being, you know, like you know, torso legs, arms,
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you know, somewhat of ahead. They take on like these
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anomalous shapes, and I would see them when I was
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a kid, not knowing what they are, would scare the
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crap out of me. I'll bring it up to my
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mother or you know, my sister, you know, any adult,
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and you know they would just like tell me, oh,
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you know, it's your imagination or your dreaming. I'm not
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really a religious person, but growing up we were like
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pseudo Catholic Christians, So if you had to lump it
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into something, it would be the demonic or ghosts, you know,
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something like ghost or you know, some sort of apparition.
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So that was like, you know the extent of my vocabulary,
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like I would label it like a ghost or some
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sort of demon, not knowing what these things were, and
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so that was That's pretty much been a constant, like
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pretty much my whole life, even to today. So that's
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kind of where it all started.
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Right on. Now, let me ask you, when you encounter
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these shadow beings or have any profound experience, is is
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there a change in your consciousness state? Do you feel
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like you're slipping into some sort of altered state or
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is it just they appear and everything else is just
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as it was before.
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It's never the same, Chris, It's different. So sometimes I
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could be in the dead sleep and just wake up
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for some reason and just have an uneasy feeling, and
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then these things appear. Or it could be what they
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call like sleep paralysis, where I go to sleep and
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then I wake up but I can't move. I can
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only move my eyes and I can see like most
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of the room, depending on how I'm laying down, and
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then I see these things sort of appear or they're
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already there when I wake up. So it's different, it's
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never the same.
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I'd love to hear about some of the most profound
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experiences you've had throughout your life, maybe starting with a
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few from your childhood.
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Yeah, all right, well, I mean just imagine like waking
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up and you know again you have the uneasy feeling
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and right away, like I'm looking at the closet right
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in my room, and I know that when I went
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to bed, the closet door was closed, but it's kind
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of cracked open, So you know, you start running through
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your head like how did it get open? Did somebody
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come into the room and going in and just forget
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to close it? All the way, and you start just wondering,
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like why do I have this uneasy feeling? And then
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all of a sudden, like something just starts seeping out,
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like like liquid kind of just seeping out, and it's
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like the room is black, it's dark, but this thing
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is darker than the room. It's the blackest black that
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you've ever seen. And it's obviously something that wants you
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to notice it, right, So it seeps out, and like
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I said, it doesn't take the form of a human
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all the time. Sometimes it looks like an ink blotch, right,
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Like it's just very anomalous shape, and it'll just seep
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out and kind of go all along the wall, and
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then it'll just like after a while, it's just like
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phase out, like like somebody's changing the opacity, like when
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you do graphic arts and you change the opacity like that,
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it'll just disappear. And then, you know, I would stay
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up for probably you know, a few minutes after that
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and then pass out, you know, and then it would
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just be different things. Like I can tell you, I
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never felt like attacked, per se, or like these things
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wanted to sort of harm me. I felt like they
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wanted to get like a response out of me, primarily fear,
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and if anything, I felt like they were drawing off
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of that fear, like they were siphoning some sort of
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energy off of that fear. And again I'm a little kid,
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so you know, my vocabulary and my intellect is and
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my maturity, I'm not there yet to kind of be
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able to put these puzzle pieces together. It's not until
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years later, you know, experiencing this that you kind of
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tend to put these puzzle pieces together. But those are
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the primary experiences if you want to talk about like
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other stuff, I don't know if it's related, even though
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I feel like paranormal is an umbrella term and anything
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that's not normal falls under that. Yeah, so crypto zoology, ufology, NDEs,
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even conspiracy theory is paranormals if you're really looking at it.
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So I've had experiences where I would go to sleep
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in the bedroom and wake up in the living room
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and I know how I got there with my pajama
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shirt inside out. Things like that I remember, And I'll
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give you one quick story, you know, in the Bronx
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is like I'm probably like maybe seven eight years old,
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around Christmas time, go to sleep in the bedroom and
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then I wake up in the living room around like
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four or five in the morning. The sun's just about
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to come up, and I'm on laying on the couch
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and across for me is like a banister with a
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TV on it, you know, the old school TVs with
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the little clicker on it. And then there's a Christmas
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tree like right next to it. And for some reason,
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I kept staring like at that Christmas tree and the
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wall adjacent to it. And you've seen the movie Predator,
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so you've seen how like the Predator camouflages and it's
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kind of like those weird wavy lines. It was a
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bean that was standing there. I couldn't see it any details.
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I just saw like this wavy sort of line it
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was making like like it was distorting the area around it,
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and it was just there like kind of like staring
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at me, and I'm staring at it, and eventually it
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just disappears. So that so I had instances like that.
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That's crazy. Were most of your experiences perceived to be
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negative or did you have any positive types of experiences? Uh?
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None positive to me. I can't really like if the
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whatever this is, if it's sentient, it must know that
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like it's intruding on other people's privacy, so to speak.
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It has to know, right, even if it's curious or whatever.
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So it has to know. So to me, that's not positive,
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like just to have somebody in your in your house,
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you don't know, just there, you know. So I don't
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take it as positive because every time that I've had
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these experiences, it's uncomfortable, and at the point, like where
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I'm at now, it's more annoying than uncomfortable or scary.
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Used to be scary when I was younger because I
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was a kid, but now I'm not even scary anymore.
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I'm more annoyed when these things happened.
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I understand that you have some military experience United States
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Air Force. When looking back at all of the experiencers, I, abductees,
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contact ees that I've had on my show over the year,
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there's an overwhelming similarity of these individuals having military experience,
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either later in their life or someone close in their
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family being in the military or involved with the military.
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I still couldn't tell you how it correlates. But do
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you have family members or anyone close to you that
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was in the military while you were growing up?
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Not that I know, of Well, my mother's father was
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in the military, so my grandfather, he was in the military.
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He fought in the Korean War. But I mean I
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didn't have like a relationship with him, so I don't
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know if that really correlates. I just know that my
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mother told me that after the war he was a
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different person, right, So you know, I don't know, like
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if that's a correlation. You know.
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I just found it interesting how many people who either
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have paranormal experiences or even UFO experiences later in life
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either join up in the military or have family members
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in the military. Do you think there was any correlation
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between you joining the military and the experiences?
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It's how do I break this down, because like we
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only have a certain amount of time, so I'm trying
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not to draw it to and stuff, but I think
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it's good for me to like kind of go into
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detail for people to understand when I joined the military,
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it was only because I was at a point in
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my life where I'm married, i have a kid, and
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I'm not really doing much with my life, and I
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had a pretty good support system. I still do. I
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have a really good support system, and so my father
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in law between my father in law and the boss
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that I was working for at the time, because he
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was ex military, we're telling me, you know, you're wasting
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your life essentially, like you have a family, you got
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to start doing something. You should join the military. So
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I follow what my boss primarily said because he's ex military,
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and he said, most of the jobs in the Air Force,
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it's not guaranteed. I'm not saying this like Air Force
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is better than the other branch. They're all collectively great,
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but he said the transition from military to civilian is
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easier with the jobs in the Air Force than the
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other branches. So he's like, I would suggest you joined
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the Air Force. So I went to a recruiting station,
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I got a sponsor, we did the whole thing, the
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ASVAB all that go on to maps, take my physical
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and according to my test scores, it was really good
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and I was able to be able to pick certain
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career feels that I felt like could transition well into
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civilian life if I were to either stay in the
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military for twenty and leave or just do whatever my
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four years and get out. So I picked one and
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it was called a new Surety Inspector, and basically what
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I would be doing is I would be traveling all
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over the world to like areas that have you know,
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nuclear bombs and you know, dealing with like nuclear energy,
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and I would make sure that they're you know, they're
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holding up to the standards safety, you know, measures and
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all of that. And then when I got out, I
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can join DD. I can just do any a lot
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of different jobs. So I was supposed to leave in
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August of ninety eight, like after my birthday, because I
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you know, my birthdays in August. But I got a
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call from the recruiter and he said, hey, you know,
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they opened up a spot. You can leave early, you know,
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get get in earlier and get this kind of you know,
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your basic training and a tech school done early, which
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I found weird, you know, like that just came out
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of nowhere. But if I was just having a conversation
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when you probably wouldn't really be weird. Oh, they had
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a spot open, so you take it. So I took it.
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So this is where it kind of gets a little
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bit weird. I don't I don't why these things happened
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to me, but they just tend to happen to me.
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So I joined the military. I go early, Okay, I
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go through my basic and then tech school essentially because
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I was a cop in the Air Force. Security Forces
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is basically an extension of basics. So you're doing basic
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for extra time, right, rather than if you do ADMIN.
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You do your basic, you know, deal with all the
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bull crap, and then now you're in office with AC.
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I wasn't doing that. I was out in the field training.
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So while I was in tech school, I had like
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a bunch of weird things happened to me. I saw
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a UFO slash uap with another person that I was
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training with. And I saw some dark figure at this
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camp that we were training at, like real late at night,
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like a tall, dark figure that I can't I can't
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say what it was because I'm about definitives. I'm not
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going to like the speculate. But it was weird. And
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so once I was done with tech school, I was
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supposed to get my duty papers to go to whatever station.
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I was being told that because of morale in the
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military and at that time we were in it with
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the Middle East, that they were sending even married you know,
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soldiers to like red zones like South Korea, places like that,
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and because the timeframe of them staying there for a
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certain amount of time without their family was bringing morale
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down down because you know, you got a husband who
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has a wife and a kid, and he hasn't seen
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them for like six months to probably a year. So
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they started to change that, and if you were married
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and you had a kid, they tried to send you
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to a station where your family can go with you.
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And then if they need to send you somewhere, they
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send you where they you know, they send you, you know,
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overseas or whatever. So instead of just leaving right away,
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I stayed an extra two to three weeks waiting for
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my papers to come through. Now, when you sign up
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for the military, they give you a list of the
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places that you'd like to go. Not one of those
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places was Nellis Air Force Base in Las Vegas, right,
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But I got those papers to go there, and it
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didn't occur to me, even though I was starting to
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kind of get into the subject of paranorma like euthology,
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it didn't occurred to me. I'm going to Nellis, where
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Area fifty one is at, and right next to you know, Nevada,
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you have New Mexico where, you know, not Area fifty one,
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but the Roswell crash was so it never really occurred
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to me. So I'm there in the military finally I'm
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doing my training and not even like two or three
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months in, Like I have an experience with three other airmen.
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We see at a weapons storage area, which it's not
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supposed to be any aerial vehicles over that area because
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it's sensitive, not supposed to be any sort of training,
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nothing like that. We see like a series of lights
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out in the desert. So because of our training, we
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have to call it in. We call it in, and
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we have this person called the flight Chief. I kind
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of compare him to like a head coach of a
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football team, you know, he runs a group of us.
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We all have our duties that we have to do,
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and he just maintains and make sure that we're doing
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what we're supposed to do. So we had to call
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it in and let them know that we saw these
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series of lights. He comes out to see us in
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the area that we were doing our job, and instead
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of going home because this was like during shift change,
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I should have mentioned that this like during like a
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shift change, he stopped shift change, like he put a
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complete halt to it. And then so he came out
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with you know, his uh like sort of like assistant,
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and then an officer that was there, and they started
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like asking us questions. So on the surface, all all
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four of us were saying essentially the same things. But
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then we had to go to his office fill out
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an affidavit of what happened, you know, and each had
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to go into his office one by one. I don't
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know what the other people said because I wasn't in
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there with them. All I know is at the very
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end of it, he told us this never happened, cannot
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talk about it. If you do, you're going to say
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you're going to face some serious repercussions. And so we
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never talked about it.
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Have you had had any other profound experiences during your
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military career, whether it be what you'd consider a ghost
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or paranormal or UFO extraterrestrial.
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While I was in I was under attack a lot,
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like there was a lot of like sleep paralysis issues
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that I was dealing with, and it could have been
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possibly to the stress of the job, you know, because
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I never had like a really a definitive like time
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frame of work it which it would change constantly, you know,
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because that's just how the military is. So it could
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have been that, but you know, I've had like again
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shadow experiences, like at the base where you know, we
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do like these things called exercises, like every flight has
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to do an exercise. I don't know if they still
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do it to this day, but it's kind of like
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training while you're at work to make sure that you're
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on top of your game because regarding you know, major
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you know, uh, you know, like nukes, regarding weapons, there's
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a ton tons of stuff that we're guarding and we
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have to be on top of our game. So they'll
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do these exercise scenarios and we use sometimes like these
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dummies right like they're dressed up in military uniform and
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sometimes they use them to play like dead bodies or whatever,
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you know. And so there's a storage unit and the
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main building where the flight chief is and where they
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have like what they call control, which is like where
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they monitor the cameras. Because to give you a little
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bit of the layout is like you go into like
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this three fenced like really wide area. It looks almost
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like like a tic tac if you will, you know
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the shape of the area that we're in, the weapon
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storage area. It's very very long, so it's probably like
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maybe like three to four miles long and maybe like
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two and a half three miles wide, and we butt
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up against a munitions area. So when you come in
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on your right hand side, you got like the main
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building and that's where all that station that the control
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and the flight chiefs and all the you know, the
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officers and all that. So below that, there's like this
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little corridor outside of the building you go into and
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it's got like this huge metal door and that's what
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they call the storage unit. Now I don't know why
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they have like props in this huge metal door, and
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I'll tell you later why, like what I found out
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about that that storage unit. But you know, you open
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up that storage union, you really have to pull it
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because it's heavy. And you go in there, and it's
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pitch black in there, and they have one light like
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in the center, so you got to walk through this
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pitch black like sort of hallway to get to the
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light to kind of turn it on. So I go
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in there and I turn it on and it's still
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somewhat dark, and I'm looking for this this dummy, and
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I wind up scaring the crap out of myself because
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I see see like these feet on the floor and
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I'm like, oh shit, there's a body. But you know,
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I realized, oh, it's the dummy, right, So I'm like, I'm,
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you know, thinking to myself, I'm so stupid. So I
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grabbed this dummy and I throw it over my shoulder
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and I turn off light and as I'm walking out,
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told me to turn around. I want to turn around.
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There's this shape of a humanoid, pitch black thing just
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standing there. And I mean literally like it was a
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few seconds, but it felt like it lasted like hours.
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And I finally just get out of there and I
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close the door. And when I go upstairs back into
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like the office to kind of drop off this dummy,
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they can tell something happened. They're like, oh, you saw it,
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didn't you you know, And I was like, you no,
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I didn't see anything, and they were like, yeah, you
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saw it, you know. And the only reason why this
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was after like that first incident. The only reason why
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I didn't say anything is because I was told not
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to talk about it about you know, that first incident.
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I wasn't even trying to like go there, so I
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just kind of left it as is. And that was
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like one incident there at the base.
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Did you ever have anything attempt to communicate with you,
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provide any information. Some people have what's called downloads with
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these experiences. Was there anything like that.
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No, I never had any of the sort of downloads.
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I had this one experience where I got home like
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early in the morning. I had worked the night shift,
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and when I'm leaving, my wife was going was leaving
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to go to work when I'm coming and excuse me,
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my life, my wife was leaving to go to work,
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and so I would just pass out and I just remember, like,
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not not long after she leaves, I'm like drifting off
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into sleep and I can hear something say I got you,
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I'm gonna get you, you know, and so like I
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fought to wake up. I finally woke up, and I
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just couldn't sleep the rest of that morning. So I
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kind of almost pulled an all night or essentially. But
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I've had like stuff like that.
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You know, you said you were working with nukes. I
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find that very interesting when you look back at the
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stories of UFO encounters that involve nuclear military bases some
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kind of interaction with the nuclear equipment, whether it's disarming
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the missiles or something along those lines. There seems to
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be disinterest between whatever these beings are and nuclear sites, right.
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Yeah, I mean, okay, so I didn't know. I didn't
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initially come out and start talking about this stuff like
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on podcasts. It was listening to Coast to Coast one
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day and I think it was maybe Jimmy Church when
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he was working for them, was doing an interview with
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an individual named Robert Hastings. I don't know if you're
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aware of who he is.
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I've heard of him.
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Yeah, he's he's a well known, well, he was well
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known researcher. Now, because you know so many so much
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information coming out, people don't even remember Stanton Friedman. They
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don't remember Jim Mars, and he's one of them that
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they don't remember. He's like a well known researcher. But anyway,
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he was on the show and I was listening to it,
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and most of his research has to do with military
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bases and ex military that have had experiences with paranormal
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so he was, you know, doing his thing, and then
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towards the end of the show he asked if anybody
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who's listening, you know his ex military, if you can
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contact me if you had any experiences, And I just
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felt like he in his voice, like he wasn't getting
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information that he wanted. So I reached out to him
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and like, the only way I could prove that I
479
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was legit or he said, you know, the only way
480
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I'll contact you back is if you send me a
481
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copy of your d D Form two fourteen, right, which
482
00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.359
is a form that basically proves that you're in the military,
483
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what you did in the military, where you were stationed at.
484
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.240
So I send that to him, and he wound up
485
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:23.880
reaching out to me, and he was a very respectful,
486
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.920
gentle individual. He let me, you know, vomit everything that
487
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I've been through, you know, before, military, during and after,
488
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and he wrote an article about me, and that's kind
489
00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:36.519
of like how it all started. It started with that.
490
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And so the correlation between the military and these beings
491
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:47.799
or whatever this phenomenon is is legit because he started
492
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.200
to tell me stories at Nellist before I even started
493
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and after I left, and not just now. There's just
494
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other basis too, but you know, like so it shows
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that like there's something going on between where like they're
496
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.759
housing this energy, whether it's nuclear or whatever, and these
497
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.559
beings like either being curious or trying to get some
498
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:12.319
sort of control, you know, And it's been happening throughout history,
499
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.440
not just recently. It's been happening even since back in
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the days.
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Now being in the military. Have you spoken with anyone
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over the years that may have given you insights or
503
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.119
information as to the correlations that we were just talking about.
504
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.599
I've talked to Okay, So after the first incident happened,
505
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.039
we weren't supposed to like talk, but I kind of
506
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.279
was like, little by little when I would be like
507
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:41.279
partnered up with somebody, I would ask them if they
508
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.559
ever had experiences, and most of them would be like
509
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I don't want to talk about it, or like don't
510
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:50.119
be stupid or whatever. But some opened up, and what
511
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.880
I found out is like, this stuff is happening all over.
512
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:56.000
Like I didn't get any sort of information like about
513
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any projects or anything like that, even though it's possible
514
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:04.519
that like maybe these experiences are experiments possible because that
515
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.079
was posed to me by someone that maybe the reason
516
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.400
why I had this experience with these other people was
517
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.200
because they were trying to see what our reaction would
518
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.359
be or how we would if we would be honest
519
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:19.599
about talking about it, you know. So to answer your question.
520
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:23.759
Though I haven't found out any like printinent or deep information.
521
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:28.079
I would imagine it exists, but I don't think individuals
522
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:29.599
like you and me are really going to find out
523
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.799
the truth. I don't think we're meant to find that
524
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:35.400
truth out, you know, with all these whistleblowers coming out,
525
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.720
and I don't know, it's like, uh rightly, really like
526
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:41.960
imprinted on me. Just to take a step back and
527
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.920
really look at the whole scope of the paranormal differently,
528
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.160
because the main thing that will prove is a ship
529
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.240
that everybody can see in touch and feel, and a
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00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.359
body that everybody can can see. And until then, we
531
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.559
don't know what's happening, you know in this the you
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00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.079
know in this lifetime.
533
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:06.279
You mentioned cryptids. What other types of beings or encounters
534
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:07.759
did you have over the years.
535
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.240
All right, so I'll go back to the beings part
536
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of it. So this is again me and the Bronx.
537
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:15.759
I'm gonna go back again because I didn't get to
538
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.559
tell you this one. Sure. So I'm I'm asleep, I'm
539
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:25.319
in the bedroom. My brother's probably I'm probably six, maybe seven,
540
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.440
so that will put my brother like at three four
541
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.319
years old, and so he's sleeping in the crib next
542
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to me, and for whatever reason, even to this day,
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when I sleep on my side, my back has to
544
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be to the wall where my where I can see
545
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.000
kind of what's coming at me. I guess I don't
546
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.119
know why. I just feel I have this feeling where
547
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.839
if I sleep the other way, I'm at a disadvantage.
548
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.079
I don't know if that makes sense. So I was
549
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:53.279
sleeping and my back was up against the wall, and
550
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I woke up and I couldn't move, and I was
551
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.440
able to see most of the room, but I was
552
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primarily looking at my brother's crib, and I'm like strugg
553
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.359
I'm wanting to like move and get up. And corner
554
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.839
of my eye I see something in the corner of
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00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:09.759
the room and I'm able to move my eyes and
556
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:15.000
when I look, there's three beams floating. They're about two
557
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:17.359
and a half three feet tall. They're not big at all,
558
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.160
They're not close to me. But the way that they were,
559
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.519
and they were like in this weird sort of triangular
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00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.039
formation where you had one in the middle and then
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one on each side. For whatever reason, I couldn't focus
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00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.319
on the two on the sides. I knew they were
563
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.519
there I was just focusing one on the middle. I
564
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.440
don't know if it was set up that way or
565
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.640
maybe I was just scared. I mean, I know I was,
566
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:45.279
and I was just focusing on the one in the
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middle because it was the one that was the closest
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00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.839
to me per se. Now here's where it gets kind
569
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:51.240
of weird, And I know you have a show that
570
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.279
talks about weird stuff. But I couldn't see details on
571
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the other two characters other than they looked kind of
572
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.359
grayish to me, right, like like they were maybe wearing
573
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.720
like silver or grayish uniforms. But it could be that
574
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.279
I just couldn't wasn't focusing on them. But the one
575
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.240
in the middle was really peculiar in that it looked
576
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.759
like Captain Crunch. It's gonna sound silly, right, but I'm
577
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.880
gonna fast forward a little bit. And this has to
578
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.720
do with a Mandela effect as well as paranormal. But
579
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.920
I was watching while I was in the military. Is
580
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.279
my last year in the military, and I was watching
581
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.160
the show from Steven Spielberg. It was like a mini
582
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.680
TV series called Taken. I don't know if you ever
583
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.480
see saw that, but there's an episode in there where
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00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.559
a kid is getting put to bed by the parent,
585
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and when the parent leaves, this animated character comes to
586
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the window and beckons the kid to come out. I
587
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.319
don't know if you remember that scene, but people want to,
588
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.160
they could look it up on YouTube. It it's on YouTube.
589
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.319
I saw it the other day. But it beckons the
590
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.559
kid to come out, and then eventually the kid comes
591
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out and jumps into the arms of this this animated
592
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.720
like squirrel I think, and then walks into a tree
593
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.599
and the tree then turns into a UFO and then
594
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.559
takes off. So that's an abduction essentially scenario. So what
595
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.680
I took from that is that these beings are able
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00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.599
to kind of project into someone's mind something that will
597
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:21.720
make them comfortable now being into the topic fully, like
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00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.640
all in like ten years ago whatever. I remember also
599
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.839
seeing a YouTube video where this person talks about how
600
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:32.039
they were kids playing in the room and they saw
601
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:36.279
this being come into the window. They had the window
602
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:38.079
open and there was a bunch of kids playing and
603
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.480
the parents weren't I guess, you know, hanging out in
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00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.640
the living room whatever. But this being comes in and
605
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.400
it projects itself to like what's that Sestame Street character
606
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:52.000
Elmo liked like Elmo, and so they're playing with this character,
607
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.519
and they had been doing it for days, like this
608
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:58.119
character would visit them and play with them. And then
609
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.000
one day the character over here is the parent about
610
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.039
to come into the room, and it starts to like
611
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.680
make its way out the window and hurts itself. And
612
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.240
when it hurt itself, the form changed into what it
613
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.359
really looked like, and it looked like the way this
614
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.640
person described it was like an alien, like an alien
615
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:18.000
gray essentially, So in saying that, let's go back to
616
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.119
when I was a kid. Now I'm looking at this thing,
617
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.319
and it looks like Captain Crunch. But the difference is
618
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:27.960
it wasn't a crisp It didn't look crisp and clear
619
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.440
like Captain Crunch. In other words, it kind of looked
620
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.400
like a melted, muted version of it, like it was
621
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.680
trying really hard to replicate it, but it just couldn't
622
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.319
for some reason. And so like the colors, like if
623
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.799
you look at Captain Crunch, the colors are very vibrant
624
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.279
blue and yellow and white, you know, this one was
625
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.279
like a muted yellow, and the face was kind of off.
626
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:55.119
And so like these episodes would last like maybe five
627
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.480
ten minutes and then I would just pass out, blackout,
628
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.799
wake up the next morning. Whatever happened for maybe like
629
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.119
a series of months until we eventually moved into a
630
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.799
new apartment and then it stopped. So I had So
631
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.000
I've had incidents like that.
632
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.680
Do you have any memories of these beings attempting experimentation,
633
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:19.039
medical procedures, or even taking you to different locations.
634
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.119
I've had instances where I felt like I was taken
635
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.599
somewhere else, but that that that sort of like thought
636
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:30.240
is very blurry where I'm like on another planet. I've
637
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.519
had where I felt like I was there was an
638
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.279
attempt to abduct me, but not like my body per se,
639
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.480
more like my spirit right, And I don't really hear
640
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.440
many people really talk about that because like when you
641
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.519
hear of abductions, it's usually physical, like your body being
642
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.759
like levitated and then you go through a wall or
643
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.079
through a window, or you know, you're out walking and
644
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.880
you know a craft hovers over you and then you
645
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.240
wind up getting you know, taken it that way. But
646
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.640
for me, I felt like my body was still in
647
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.639
you know, like wherever is that I was at, laying
648
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.360
on the couch or on the bed. It was still intact,
649
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.480
but like my soul was being lifted for my body
650
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.800
and I'm fighting to not allow it to happen, you know.
651
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.519
So I've had stuff like that. I've had incidents where
652
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.760
I'm laying like on a recliner, you know, and I'm
653
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.800
passed out, and I feel like my body's levitating. When
654
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.199
I wake up, I fall like maybe a few inches,
655
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.840
Like I could feel my body fall a few inches. So,
656
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.679
I mean, I've had stuff like that, like so many things.
657
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.679
It would literally take hours and hours for me to
658
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.159
kind of just vombit everything that I've been through, like honestly,
659
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.920
and I don't know why, Like I know, the next
660
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.360
questions might be, like why do you think I really
661
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.559
do not know, Chris, I have no idea. I have
662
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.039
not been communicated by any sort of beings to give
663
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:59.840
me any sort of information. Just to go back to,
664
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:04.000
like my podcast, I interviewed two separate people just to
665
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:08.719
give you an example. One considered themselves an abductee and
666
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:11.480
then the second one considered themselves a contact ye. And
667
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.119
there's a difference between the two. I cided more with
668
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.960
the abductee than I did the contact d because my
669
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:23.599
experiences weren't like you know, Kumbaya. I wasn't told any
670
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.559
pertinent information about how to save the world. And there's
671
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.920
no disrespect to people that have felt like they that
672
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:33.079
they've had these sorts of experiences, because everybody's experiences are
673
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:34.760
their own, and I have no right of taking that
674
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.119
away from them. But I just side more with the abductee,
675
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.320
where it's negative experience, where I'm being put in situations
676
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.159
I did not ask for. That's basically how I feel.
677
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:49.000
Right, Let's move forward to what you would understand is
678
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:54.440
the cryptid experiences. I do want to hear your overall understanding,
679
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.440
at least where you're at now of what the possibilities
680
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.440
will go over those. But let's talk a little bit
681
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.679
more about the experiences before we get to that. Starting
682
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:04.400
with the cryptids.
683
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:12.960
Okay, so my first and I call it cryptid because
684
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.519
of the behavior. It's all basically for me, the behavior.
685
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.880
I didn't see anything initially when I first started having
686
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.039
this this experience. I did have something later on, and
687
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.960
I'll get to that one, but it's when I first
688
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.119
moved to Florida. So I'm originally, like I said, from
689
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.360
New York City, so I'm from the concrete jungle, and
690
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:33.559
I go from the concrete jungle to like the swampland
691
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.360
because basically, and you're from Louisiana, so you know that
692
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.760
Louisiana and Florida are essentially swamps. And people just decided, hey,
693
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.800
let's live in a swamp. You know, That's basically what
694
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.360
it is. You know. So everywhere you know, Florida's riddled
695
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.119
with like all these little like plots of like swamp lands,
696
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.760
some bigger, some smaller. You have like the Everglades and whatnot.
697
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.280
So I moved to a town called Kissimi, which is
698
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:55.840
on the outskirt.
699
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.039
Actually lived there for about five years myself.
700
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:00.760
You did live in sid Me what years?
701
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:07.880
This was between two thousand and one and two thousand
702
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.119
and eleven.
703
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.280
Oh wow, so you were out here for a while.
704
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:14.880
I was out there for about ten.
705
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.760
Years, right, man, I could have met you. Man, I
706
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.880
probably didn't meet you. I don't know, Okay. So you
707
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.159
moved in right when it started to kind of SeeMe
708
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.360
started to get a little bit more populated and started
709
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.360
to change. But when I moved in eighty nine, it
710
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.519
was slightly populated, but it still had its rural areas
711
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.159
and it's still was primarily a swamp. It wasn't as
712
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.800
developed as it was when you probably were living there.
713
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.719
So anyway, so I go from New York and I
714
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.920
come to Florida and it's like a culture shock for me.
715
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And I was going I was in high school at
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00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.880
the time, so I used to walk this one particular
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00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.639
route to go to school. But there was a problem
718
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.840
in that I was showing up late to school constantly.
719
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.679
It was it was pretty populated route that I used
720
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.519
to take. You know, I used to see seven elevens
721
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:04.800
and you know, apartment complexes and housing developments. But you know,
722
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.079
it was just taking me too long, and so I
723
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.480
asked some of the locals, like, hey, is there another
724
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.559
way of shortcut that I can take in order to
725
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.840
get to school faster? And so they provided me this
726
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.239
this route, and so I started taking it. The only
727
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.800
problem is that it takes you down this road and
728
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.800
it's probably maybe like a three four mile stretch of
729
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:29.360
just a road ongoing and oncoming traffic. You have maybe
730
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:34.119
five maybe feet of grass, no sidewalk, and then an
731
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.079
embankment that goes down to catch the water whenever it rains,
732
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:38.800
because you know, it rains all the time in Florida,
733
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.719
and then nothing but a wall of like swamp lands.
734
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:47.800
And because high school started earlier than most other schools,
735
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.920
you know, elementary and all that. Like, I was literally
736
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.199
leaving the house when it was dark, and by the
737
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:53.880
time I got to school, the someone was just about
738
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.320
to come up. So I would have to walk like
739
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.519
this this long, like sort of moist what I call
740
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.639
moistre because it was constantly wet. I would get my
741
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:06.199
sneakers wet, my sock's wet. It was horrible. But for
742
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.079
like a week, everything was fine. I was walking, and
743
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:10.920
I was a little like worried, like something might come
744
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:12.800
out of that swamp. You know. I heard that there
745
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.800
was gators in there sometimes, you know, feral dogs and stuff,
746
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.039
and even homeless people that I heard would live in there.
747
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.599
So so, like I said, the first week I was walking,
748
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.119
I was fine, you know, I'll just go to school
749
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.280
and whatever. But after about a week I started to
750
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:34.440
hear like something like tracking me, like following me in
751
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.280
the same pace. And at first, I mean, I'm not
752
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.039
even thinking paranormal. I'm not even like fully into the
753
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.320
paranormal at this time. To me, I don't know what
754
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.320
skuncape is at this time, that's not in my vocabulary.
755
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.440
Bigfoot is something from the Pacific Northwest. I'm not even
756
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.079
thinking that, you know. I'm thinking it's either an animal
757
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.920
or it's a person, like a homeless person. So I
758
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:59.400
just would continue to walk. It would it would like
759
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:03.199
sort of pace me up until a certain point where
760
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.800
I would hit like this sort of like housing area,
761
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.519
and then I would just continue on. There was a
762
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.679
couple of times where I would walk, it would start
763
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.480
following me whatever this thing was, and then I would stop,
764
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.960
and it would stop like seconds after me, so it
765
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.039
wasn't stopping exactly when I stopped, so and then I
766
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.039
would continue to walk, and then I would yell out,
767
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.039
like just to see if it was a person or not. Now, granted,
768
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.960
where I was at, I had no protection. I had
769
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.719
no place to run because if I ran across the
770
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.840
street was the same thing five foot of grass an
771
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.599
embankment and a wall of nothing but swamp lands on
772
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.239
the other side. And there were and during that time
773
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.559
of the day there wasn't a lot of traffic on
774
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.840
coming and going. There was very few cars that would
775
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.320
come and go, So I mean I was pretty much
776
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.280
by myself. So if anything was to attack me, you know,
777
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.360
I'm at the mercy of whatever it is, so I
778
00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.000
would yell out and I would not get an answer.
779
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.119
And to me, I found that peculiar because to me,
780
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.159
usually a person once they get found out that they're
781
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.760
you know, following someone else, they would make themselves somewhat
782
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.239
known or run away. Oh this guy knows I'm you know.
783
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:14.480
And I wasn't a big dude then, you know, I
784
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.039
was still like a teenager, you know, still lanky or whatever.
785
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.320
It wasn't like super strong, So I mean I was
786
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.519
at whatever, at the mercy or whatever this was. So
787
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.920
it discontinued for you know, literally like maybe four or
788
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.559
five months until I decided to take the other route
789
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.119
again and go leave the house even earlier, just so
790
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.800
I wouldn't wasn't late. But what I noticed, and this
791
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:39.199
is what keep me into like this was something that
792
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:42.360
had intelligence, was as you're walking and you see this wall,
793
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.280
every once in a while it would open up and
794
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.199
you see like a trail. Right. I was told never
795
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.679
to walk down those trails as a as a shortcut
796
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.679
because sometimes that would lead to like retention ponds and
797
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.679
you know, gators blah blah blah. And then like they said,
798
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.440
there was homeless people in there, and you can get
799
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.920
like robbed or worse and snakes whatever you know, stuff
800
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.880
like that. So I was told never to take that
801
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.199
as a shortcut. But I would walk by and I
802
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.360
would look down and right as this thing would possibly
803
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.800
show itself if it kept moving it stopped right before
804
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:16.719
and then and then I would just wait for a
805
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.519
few seconds. I okay, so I don't see anything, and
806
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:21.800
I would continue to walk and pass it, and then
807
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.760
it would cross over after I was gone, and then
808
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.079
follow me, continue to follow me. So whatever it was
809
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.639
had intelligence. So that's that's one, one one incident in
810
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.360
the span of like you know, a few months.
811
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.960
Do you think that that may have had a paranormal
812
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.840
aspect to it or connected to your previous experiences at all?
813
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.119
I don't know if it was connected, but it did
814
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.840
have a paranormal like feel to it, because, like I said,
815
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.960
like it, whatever it was to showed intelligence to me.
816
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.199
An animal would have showed itself. It would have if
817
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.920
it was following me, It would have crossed in the
818
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.920
path of that that opening, and I would have seen
819
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.719
what it was. Whatever this was new it didn't want
820
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.679
to be seen, and they didn't want me to see it,
821
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.719
and it just kept following. It was interested, I felt,
822
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.679
if anything, I felt like it was interested in me.
823
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:12.400
It was intrigued by what I was doing.
824
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.559
Did you ever get to witness this or any other
825
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.039
types of mysterious creatures or anything like that?
826
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.760
Yeah? Yeah, so okay. So then fast forward a little bit.
827
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.639
This maybe like two and a half three years later.
828
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.480
I'm starting to work now, and I started working for
829
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.320
this grocery supermarket that was like a franchise. It was
830
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:36.280
called Goodings. Yeah, I remember Gooddings in Florida. So they
831
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:42.599
were franchises, and so this Saudi Arabian Abic family bought
832
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.639
this Goodings and so I started working for them, and
833
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:51.000
it was towards Disney. Now, Disney's subject all by itself
834
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.239
when it comes to paranormal in the occult, but I
835
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.880
don't want to go deep into that. But the land
836
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:58.960
that Disney's on in that area is very, very dense
837
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.280
like this itself. Like I wouldn't doubt that they have
838
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.840
skunk capes on that property because they just have deep,
839
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.639
deep woods in there and swamp plans in there. But
840
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.880
we were close to Disney the supermarket, and we also
841
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.719
had dense woods behind the store, and so I worked
842
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.039
the day shift, and like I would take the trash out,
843
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.800
and even during the day, like when taking the trash out,
844
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.800
you would see raccoons dumpster diving in there all the time.
845
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:31.480
And so the night shift I would overhear them when
846
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.960
they come in talking about how weird it was at
847
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:35.920
night back there when they would have to take the
848
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.920
trash out, like they felt like they were being watched.
849
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.800
But I never it never stuck with me. I didn't care.
850
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.719
I worked the day shift. I was just doing my thing, right.
851
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.719
So I got offered one day to work the night
852
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.840
shift to cover for somebody make some extra money, and
853
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.400
I was like, I kind of didn't want to do it,
854
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:50.800
but I was like, you know what, let me just
855
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.679
make the sexra money. So I wound up working the
856
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:56.320
night shift one night and the garbage had been piling
857
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.159
up and I'm the new guy again at night. So
858
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.639
they were like, he dude, take take the trash out, right.
859
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:04.679
So when I go to the back and I start
860
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.480
walking towards the trash, you have like one of these
861
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.360
big metal square trash bands that have those flip doors
862
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.280
that open, you know, from the top, and you just
863
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:13.760
dump a whole bunch of stuff in there, you know.
864
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:18.119
And then above it was a light that was supposed
865
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.639
to have like one of those plastic fixtures on it,
866
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.280
but for whatever reason, it was like ripped off, and
867
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.599
so the light that was on it almost served as
868
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:29.159
a spotlight, and it was super bright and it would
869
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.599
shine like in the swamp, like the swamp area that
870
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.519
was behind there. And so I'm walking up to it,
871
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.480
and I saw a couple of raccoons run out and
872
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.639
go going there. And as I'm about to throw the trash,
873
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.960
I turn around, I look into like the swamp area,
874
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.840
and I see sets of little eyes right like almost
875
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.480
hundreds of them, And in my mind, I'm thinking, these
876
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.719
raccoons are going to jump me for this trash, so
877
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:55.920
I better hurry up and get this trash in there
878
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.119
and get in, you know, get back into the store.
879
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.400
So as I'm about to do that, I also noticed
880
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.719
a set of eyes that are not small little eyes,
881
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.360
and they're not low to the ground. They're about six
882
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.360
or seven feet above the ground. And they looked like reflectors.
883
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.400
So you know how in certain places they put reflectors
884
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.960
on trees and sometimes so that you know, you don't
885
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.760
run off the road. But the weird thing is that
886
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.840
this is deep in the swamp. There's no roads back there,
887
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.239
so I know they weren't reflectors. And there was two
888
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.519
sets of eyes. They were about maybe a foot apart
889
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.880
each set of eyes, and they were just like staring
890
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.559
at me. So I freeze for a second and I
891
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.000
turn around, just throw the trash. I don't care where
892
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.000
it goes, and I just run right back in and
893
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.199
I just like did the rest of my shift, and
894
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.920
that was it, right, So that was like my second,
895
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.159
I guess cryptid sort of experience because I know that
896
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.559
there's owls out here as well, but I've never seen
897
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.000
an owl before out here. I've been in Florida for
898
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.119
like thirty years, and I've never seen an owl. You know,
899
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.760
they exist, but I've never seen one. These things don't
900
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.000
seem like owls to me. You know. I got the
901
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.039
sense that I wasn't supposed to be there.
902
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.559
Fast forward to now, what types of experiences are you
903
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.039
having during these times?
904
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.280
Okay, so let's stay on the cryptid thing. So this
905
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.039
happened to me about a year and a half ago.
906
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:26.719
Two years ago todaytime siding, which is extremely rare. I'm
907
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:31.719
coming home from work, so this is probably like spring
908
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:37.320
twenty twenty two around that time. I'm coming home from work,
909
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.119
and I'm the type of person that I take the
910
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.239
same route to work and I take the same route
911
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.360
home unless there's an issue and I have to kind
912
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.519
of deviate. I'm just weird like that. I'm patronistic like that.
913
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.480
And you know, I even know which lane I'm going
914
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.639
to be in at any specific time. Like, I just
915
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.719
do things the same. It's just how I'm built. Maybe
916
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:59.199
because I'm part of autistic I don't know. But anyway,
917
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.880
So I'm on my way home and for about a
918
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.880
week they had been doing construction. Now anybody can look
919
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.199
this up if they want to. I'm going to give
920
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:11.599
like like areas. I'm on University Boulevard in Central Florida.
921
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:19.559
University Boulevard normally leads to the UCF like campus, so
922
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.079
my house is not too far from there. So I'm
923
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:26.159
driving down University Boulevard headed towards UCF and they're doing construction.
924
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.280
They have been doing it for a week, and I
925
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:29.400
was just getting kind of sick of it, and so
926
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:33.039
I'm about to come up on this street called Dean Road,
927
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.239
and I realized, oh, there's another street that cuts across
928
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.239
that I can take for a shortcut so I can
929
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.800
beat all this traffic. So as soon as I get
930
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.840
in my lane, I noticed there's another car that had
931
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.199
the same idea that was in front of me. It
932
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.440
was kind of like a gold beige like Chrysler, and
933
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.840
it's like probably like fifteen to twenty car links ahead
934
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:56.880
of me, and it's already turning on Dean Road. I'm
935
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.679
about to head up on the same route. So I
936
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.559
make a right on Dean Road and then I make
937
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.679
a left, and I forgot what the name of the
938
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.639
road was. I used to have in a tip of
939
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.800
my tongue. But it's one of those roads where it's
940
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.639
nothing but again walls of like trees and swamp land,
941
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.440
and then maybe you get a house sprinkled here and there,
942
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.920
and then it's nothing but walls and that whole area
943
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.800
of uh it's called Rouse Road. The whole Rouse Road
944
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.079
area and East Orlando is nothing but like swamp and
945
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.280
like there's even a park. They're called Jay Blanchard Park,
946
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.559
which I suspect again I don't know for sure. There's
947
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.880
skunkcapes and that damn thing for sure, and maybe other things.
948
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.679
But anyway, I make the right on Dean Road. I
949
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:40.480
make a quick left on this one road, and that
950
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.239
car is like flying. It's way ahead of me. But
951
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.840
then I noticed that it stops almost to a halt,
952
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.159
and then it just takes off. So in my mind,
953
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:53.320
I'm thinking distracted, or maybe they were having a conversation
954
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.920
and in realized, well, maybe they saw something. So as
955
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.440
I'm driving, I hit the area that they stopped and
956
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.159
I look over and there's just something there. Right. It's
957
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.760
taller than my car. I know that for sure because
958
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.199
I'm looking up at whatever this thing is, and in
959
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.239
my mind, I'm thinking tree stump. I'm thinking prop from Halloween,
960
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.480
like a Halloween prop. I'm trying to debunk whatever this
961
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.920
thing is. But whatever it is, it's bipedal. It's got
962
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.679
hands with claws, it's got teeth, it's got pointy ears
963
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.599
with tufts of hair on it, and it's slightly moving
964
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.199
like it's breathing in and out, and it's just there.
965
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.880
And this whole thing lasted maybe like eight seconds at
966
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.880
the most, and time just like slowed down. So I'm
967
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.599
having all these thoughts going in my head, and the
968
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.960
one thought that popped in my head was there was
969
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.000
a car that was ahead of me, and I don't
970
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.760
know where this car is at because I'm looking at
971
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.159
whatever this is, and if it stops and I hit it,
972
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.639
I'm stuck there with whatever this thing is. So right
973
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.000
away I snap into it and I just continue driving
974
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:58.800
and I wind up eventually going home. But I don't
975
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.599
know what this was. I could classify it as a
976
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.320
werewolf slash dog man because of the ears and the
977
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.960
characteristics that looked like I had a muzzle, you know,
978
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.440
I saw teeth, his mouth was slightly open, but it
979
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.719
could have been a tree stump and maybe, you know,
980
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.039
but I don't think it was. I know what the
981
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:18.800
tree stuff looks like, you know what I'm saying, And
982
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.559
I've been in Florida for long enough to know what
983
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.599
the tree stump looks like. And tree stumps don't look
984
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.320
like you know, caned, you know, bipedal things? You know?
985
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.920
Are you still having experiences with the shadow figures and
986
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.000
UFO type orbs?
987
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.320
Yeah, all the time. I still see him, the shadow
988
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.400
figure thing like I speak about, like a lot of
989
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.039
my experiences, matter of factly, because I'm just so used
990
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:48.599
to it. Not a lot really surprises me nowadays. I
991
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.280
always say, like, if I was playing like the paranormal bingo,
992
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.000
the last thing I need to see as a sea
993
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:56.679
creature and then I win. But other than that, I mean,
994
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.599
like it's a matter of fact because I just deal
995
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:01.000
with it all the time, and I'm here talking to you.
996
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:03.599
I haven't been hurt. You know, I've had you know,
997
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.280
I've been dealing with my own health issues, but it
998
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:08.199
has nothing to do with with the paranormal. And so
999
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.159
I just taken a stride and I absorbed the experience
1000
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:12.880
and I learned as much from it as I can.
1001
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.159
And like I told you earlier, you know, with with
1002
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.000
Ryder Lee's help, really like I look at it a
1003
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.280
lot differently because he opened up my mind to different
1004
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:23.519
perspective on the paranorma.
1005
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.960
Right well, I'd love to hear your perspective at least
1006
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:28.800
where you're at right now, because I know for me,
1007
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:33.119
with new bits of information, with new experiences, my entire
1008
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:38.000
perspective could easily change and has many times. But I'd
1009
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.440
love to hear where you're at.
1010
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.679
I just feel like nothing's absolute, you know, and there's
1011
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.119
not a lot of definitives. Again, you know, going back
1012
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:52.079
to like you and Ryder Lee and so many other
1013
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.480
like really great podcasts, did you guys point out there's
1014
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.320
like not a lot of definitives, Like, there's not a
1015
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:58.440
lot of proof. It's one thing for a person to
1016
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.159
come on and talk about their experience is, but it's
1017
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.320
another thing for them to label it something and not
1018
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.000
have the proof to back that up. So when it
1019
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:10.079
comes to like my experiences, I don't really go into
1020
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.400
the definitives. Like I'll say that something is alien like,
1021
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.519
but I won't say it's alien because I don't know
1022
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:21.800
that for sure, you know. And then you know, nowadays
1023
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.800
with all the bullcraft that's been coming out, and I'm
1024
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.079
talking about like the last like five to ten years
1025
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.119
with the Cory Goods, and you know, I hate to
1026
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.360
say it, even the Stephen Greer is like like coming
1027
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.679
out with all this stuff, the Billy Carson's and them.
1028
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:39.639
You know, they don't make it easy, It's what I'm saying.
1029
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:43.119
And so you know, you can't just go all in
1030
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.199
like I used to with you know, these these stories
1031
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:48.360
that I grew up you know, reading and listening to
1032
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.559
Betty Barney Hills, only to find out that it's possible
1033
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.119
the military was behind that. You know, you have to
1034
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:56.320
talk about the Kenneth Arnold stuff. You know, Ryder Lee
1035
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.840
exposed the fact that you know, he wasn't the one
1036
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.440
that came with the term flying saucer, you know, somebody else,
1037
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:06.239
and you know, all this stuff coming at us all
1038
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.000
at once, you know, I feel like it's meant as
1039
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.719
a distraction to keep us from the real truth, you know,
1040
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.239
or to keep us from what's really important, which is
1041
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.519
what's right in front of us, our family, our friends,
1042
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.239
our lives, you know. And so that's what I've primarily
1043
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:25.239
been focusing. I've been focusing more on what's in front
1044
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:28.239
of me, you know, getting my health right, my family,
1045
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.880
my friends, and then if I have any sort of experiences,
1046
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.239
just absorbing it and learning from it.
1047
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.519
One thing that I have taken away from not only
1048
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.960
my experiences, but speaking with folks like yourself on complete
1049
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.159
opposite ends of the spectrum, people who have negative experiences,
1050
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.719
people who have positive experiences. Where I'm at now is
1051
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.719
I look at it as more of a spiritual phenomenon
1052
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:59.960
either way. Sure they may have physical aspects, physical manifestations,
1053
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.960
but it is very difficult to tell what is real
1054
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.360
and what isn't. I want to go back to your
1055
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.159
experiences and others like it. I think they're extremely important
1056
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.960
for us to share these experiences. There are thousands of
1057
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:18.119
other people who are having very similar experiences. Most of
1058
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:20.559
them probably are never going to even talk about it,
1059
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:24.000
but those that do, like yourself, I think, are bringing
1060
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:28.639
valuable information to the rest of the world so that
1061
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.719
we can try and understand a little bit more about
1062
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:36.880
what is happening and sort the bs from what may
1063
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:41.079
be considered a genuine aspect of this phenomenon. Is there
1064
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.599
anything else that you'd like to add, any other bits
1065
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:49.239
of understanding, any other experiences before we close out.
1066
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:53.400
I have tons of experiences I can I can continue
1067
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:54.599
with someone a show too.
1068
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:56.239
Let's close out with some stories.
1069
00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.400
Okay, all right, so before we close out with the stories,
1070
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.679
is one thing that I would like for you and
1071
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.599
maybe your listeners to do. There's When I was at Nellis,
1072
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:08.800
there was this lore of this cryptid called cat Man. Okay,
1073
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.400
I don't not many people talk about it. I know
1074
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:16.119
that West Germer on Sasquatch Chronicles had someone a year
1075
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:20.239
ago talk about it, and it's primarily based out of Nevada,
1076
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:24.199
as I have never I know there's cat cryptids you know,
1077
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.760
in other parts of the world, but this specific one
1078
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:31.519
supposedly is like some sort of metamorphosis between two sort
1079
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:35.800
of like animals. It's like an experiment gone wrong sort of.
1080
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.800
I had a gentleman on discussing the click attack ape
1081
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:42.360
cat I believe.
1082
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:46.559
Yes, I remember that episode, yes, but this one is like,
1083
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.880
for some reason, not many people talk about it. I
1084
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.039
know in the military it was talked about often, and
1085
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:57.000
there were experiences where I knew a couple of troops
1086
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.599
that ran into something. They didn't see it, but they
1087
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.199
heard it and it correlates. But if you and your
1088
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:07.079
viewers and your listeners know anything about that, if they
1089
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:10.239
can contact me, you know, I'll give you my links
1090
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:12.400
and everything. You know, like you know at the end.
1091
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:15.880
But yeah, that I really want to know more about
1092
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:18.199
that because that intrigued me while I was in and
1093
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:19.960
not many people really talk about it. Was only a
1094
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.400
few that I really do. You know, In my opinion,
1095
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.000
I think it's a miss. It's a misidentified dog man.
1096
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:27.559
But I could be wrong. I just feel that way.
1097
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:36.199
Any experiences that may indicate engineered chimeras genetically modified creatures.
1098
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:41.119
Okay, So when I got to Nellis right, and I
1099
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:43.119
was starting to get to know everybody, and they started
1100
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.079
talking about this Catman thing. The lore behind it was
1101
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:51.559
that Catman was essentially this experiment to create this weapon, right,
1102
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.599
almost like how I believe Stalin was trying to create,
1103
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.519
like these ape soldiers right back in the days, something
1104
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:02.039
similar to that. And I don't that it's probably being done.
1105
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.280
I just don't doubt that that some faction is trying
1106
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.039
to do something like that. But what I heard was
1107
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:13.559
that at Area fifty one, they had this sort of
1108
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.760
fenced an area built for this creature that they created,
1109
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.639
and what they would do is they would put animals
1110
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.960
in there to watch it, hunt and just to you know,
1111
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:28.960
just to take notations down to see what they can
1112
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:35.119
mess with, I guess. And the person that built it
1113
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:39.800
was a contractor. He didn't work for the military. He
1114
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:42.480
was just contracted to work on different projects, and that
1115
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.559
was one of his projects. And apparently he got called
1116
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.239
in to go and fix the entrapment, so to speak.
1117
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:51.840
And when he got there, he said it looked like
1118
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:55.840
something had busted out, So apparently this thing had escaped
1119
00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:59.920
and that's the creature that they call catman.
1120
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:05.159
Cent right, you said during recent times that you aren't
1121
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.639
really afraid of the phenomena, it's more annoying. Do you
1122
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:13.039
find that affects the phenomenon in any way that maybe
1123
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:18.239
it doesn't have the same veracity, maybe it doesn't appear
1124
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:20.960
as much now that you're not giving it as much energy.
1125
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:22.679
Do you find any differences there?
1126
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.079
Yes, I do, because again, like being into the topic,
1127
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:30.920
and you hear so many, so many stories, you know,
1128
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.639
you'll hear people and their like attempts at communicating whatever
1129
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:39.159
it is, right, and so like the notion is that
1130
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:45.079
they read minds, they communicate telepathically, right, and so when
1131
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.519
you're in a paralytic state, you can't talk, so it's
1132
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:51.559
all your mind. And so as I know it, Like
1133
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.039
initially I was scared and I was just trying to
1134
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:55.639
wake up and get out of it or whatever the
1135
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.280
whatever state they had me in. Then it got to
1136
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:02.079
the point where like I was like, oh, if these
1137
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:04.280
things communicate to a pathlete, then they know what I'm
1138
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.079
thinking and can't say the words on your show, but
1139
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.519
I would curse them out. And it got to the
1140
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.079
point where like now where like if I feel like
1141
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.320
I'm slipping in there, I just in my mind like
1142
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.079
I'm tired. Guys, can we just like we just like
1143
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:21.239
not do this, you know? Can I just get my sleep,
1144
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.320
my resp please. I appreciate it. And then if I
1145
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:25.159
feel like it continues on, then in my mind, I
1146
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:29.679
will curse, and then it usually stops. It hasn't happened
1147
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.360
like as often. It just happens periodically every once in
1148
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.320
a while. And it's not like like I try to
1149
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:38.400
look at it like maybe I'm too tired. Maybe it's
1150
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:41.039
something that I did that like during the day, like
1151
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.159
I worked out or something, and maybe that I'm just
1152
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.519
too tired, or maybe I dealt with a stressful situation
1153
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:49.519
I work. And it's not that it could be. It
1154
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.639
could show up at any time. So there's no indicator
1155
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.480
of when these things are going to happen. They just
1156
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:56.480
kind of happened, and I just learned to deal with it.
1157
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.639
That's it. As long as I'm not hurt and as
1158
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:00.559
long as I wake up the next morning or whatever,
1159
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.719
I'm fine. I'm good with it. You know. I've even invited,
1160
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.280
like I said telepathically, like if you guys really want
1161
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.480
to like you guys interested in me, like, let's get
1162
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:11.480
to know each other, like on a personal level, Let's
1163
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.239
sit down and have lunch or something like. I know
1164
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.079
it sounds silly, but it's like I'm trying to like
1165
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:19.079
maybe establish some sort of communication or create some sort
1166
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.559
of rules between me and whatever these things are, to
1167
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:24.440
let them know, like what they're doing is not good
1168
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:26.119
the way that they're doing it, you know, like I'm
1169
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:28.239
not comfortable with the way that they're doing it.
1170
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:34.280
To close out with, is there any other understandings that
1171
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.239
you'd like to share experiences or advice for people like
1172
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.239
yourself who may not know how to begin dealing with
1173
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:44.079
some of this stuff.
1174
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:47.519
I mean, it's tough really dealing with it, but I
1175
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.320
would talk to people that you're comfortable with, that you
1176
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:54.079
know aren't going to judge you. Like when I first
1177
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:58.039
started talking with Robert Hastings, and then then after I
1178
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:02.079
did the Confessionals with Tony Murky, I realized, Okay, there's
1179
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:04.199
an opportunity for me to show people that they can
1180
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:08.199
come out and not feel scared or or shamed. I mean,
1181
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.840
you're gonna get judged anyway. People. Humans are judgmental by nature.
1182
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:13.639
But it's good to kind of get it out of
1183
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:18.199
your system, you know, not to be afraid. Essentially, there's
1184
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:20.840
nothing to be ashamed of. This stuff happens to millions
1185
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.519
of people, and it's not recently, it's been happening since
1186
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.159
the beginning of time, you know, and just don't be
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scared of it. Just come out and just be honest.
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That's number one. Be truthful, don't add anything to your experiences,
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and you'll be fine.
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Right well, Chris, there's so much more we can go over.
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I'd definitely love to hear more of your experiences in
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the future before we close out. Remind the audience the
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best way that they can find out more those links
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that you were telling them about earlier.
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If you go on YouTube, when you look up a
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Rise aar i se Creations Productions, you'll see like a
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black Phoenix. That's my page. I have two sort of
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shows on their ones, an interview show called the Universal
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Dialect Show Ian. I've had writer on, I've had uh,
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Darryl sims On, I've had Michelle Gibson, I've had all
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different types of people. It's kind of a glimpse into
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like the type of person I am and how I
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think and the things that I'm interested in are all
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that stuff music, and then I have another one called
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my paranormality, which is like stories that I've gathered of
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people's accounts and again different things, cryptids, uthology, whatever. You
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can contact me that way. There's an email there, you know,
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if anybody wants to, you know, maybe get on the
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show if I because right now, like I said, I'm
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dealing with the health issues. That's something else we could
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talk about later because I know you did, you know
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you delve in conspiracy theories. I feel like my health
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issues have to do with what happened five years ago.
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I don't want to, you know, mess up your channel
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right now by talking about it. But like, yeah, so
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once I once I feel like I'm at a better health,
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I might start the podcast again. And I would love
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to have you on. I mean, I think I reached
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out to you one time, but I don't know.
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Anytime, just let me know. Yeah, man, Well, thank you
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so much for sharing. Like I said, we'll definitely have
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to have you back on. There's a lot more we
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can get to. Plus, i'd love to hear about your
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experience that you were just alluding to. So plenty more
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we can get to and until next time. Everyone, have
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a wonderful evening. We will definitely be talking again tomorrow.
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We'll see it then