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Parish social relationships used to be very simple,
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right? You would project feelings onto celebrities,
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TV host or streamers that didn't actually know
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you existed. It was one sided, but at least it
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was transparent, right? And AI kind of flips
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that dynamic. These chat bots and digital friends
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pretend to know you. They remember your likes
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mimic your empathy and feedback exactly what
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keeps you engaged like you're kind of addicted
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to it. And this isn't connection. This is programming.
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Every response is designed to make you spend
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more time, share more data, get more emotionally
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hooked to that AI bot. And unlike a celebrity
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or a creator, an AI personality isn't even a
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person. It's a product, a product engineered
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to act like your best friend, to act like your
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partner, your therapist, depending on whatever
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is going on that will help keep you coming back
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to it. The danger here isn't just loneliness,
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right? It's dependence. People can end up getting
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confused. with scripting attention for genuine
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care. And that makes it easier for companies
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to exploit those bonds. At its core, this isn't
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about relationships. It's actually about control.
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AI -driven parasocialities aren't human connection.
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They're corporate design simulations of it. And
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like someone said in chat, Tom, We should all
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be very cautious about this. This is this is
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kind of this kind of creepy. So what do you think,
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Alex? Well, this started out with with you discussing
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somebody suing about their their child taking
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their own life because of some stuff they were
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doing with the chatbot. I mentioned that I've
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seen some reddit stuff where people are like
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marrying their chatbot buddies that they name.
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Um, there's been some high profile stuff with
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these chat bots. Obviously there's now adults
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chat bots Right for the for the sexting and the
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the the simulated, you know corn, right? Um And
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this again kind of comes back to our last topic
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Which is is when are we going to get some some,
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you know, some sort of regulatory framework around
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this? Um I do think that this does present a
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new danger. Like you said, you know, people weren't
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parasocial relationships before, right? They
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would, you know, get attached to, you know, celebrities
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or creators and kind of invent these parasocial
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relationships in their minds. Sometimes it's
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fantasy. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's across
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that line and then we have law enforcement involved,
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things like that. But this to me and not not
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for the app, but for people is much more dangerous.
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You know, we've heard the memes and the jokes
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about, you know, well, men are just going to
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start, you know, doing it with bots because screw
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it, you know. And I'm like, that's not a good
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thing. You know, and then again, yeah, you get
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down to people trying to treat them like therapists,
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you know, and then you've got this next note
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in here that I like, which this was one of your
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original notes on this. Yeah. um should ai ever
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be trusted with mental health conversations yeah
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should they be allowed to engage with the most
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vulnerable discussions at all um and then you've
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got this question here which i really like uh
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what responsibility does a company have when
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its ai is used for support um whether it be intentionally
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or not well exactly you know and what what responsibility
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does it have for the outcomes of those interactions
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and that's that to me is really really it's a
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difficult question right like this part of me
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looks like well you know it's the people who
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are being dependent on it but it is these companies
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these corporations these massive mega corporations
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because these aren't small companies either right
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these massive mega corporations who are creating
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these bots and and letting them loose into the
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wild without a regulatory framework and allowing
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them to do this you know And and what I mean,
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what do you think? Do you think they bear an
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ethical responsibility, a moral responsibility,
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a fiscal responsibility? Criminally liable. I
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think if they know their product is being used,
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I'm going to kind of go to like the extreme end
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here. If they know that their product is being
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used to provide like therapy. To somebody I am
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and they continue to let it happen. I do think
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they're liable Because here here's the thing
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Well, it at least doesn't stop families from
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attempting to sue companies right like anyone
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can sue anybody so it at least kind of opens
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that door, but I go to therapy right and Obviously,
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my therapist has a master's degree in psychology
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or something. I don't know. She has a lot of
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certs and a lot of different things. But the
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point is she can pick up on the very small things
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like, Hey, like, I noticed that you're not actually
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looking at me. Maybe you're looking over here
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a lot. Maybe you're just saying like, Oh, I'm
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tired. No, everything's fine. But maybe I just
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sound a little different that day. Like she can
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pick up on that. Right. And be like kind of pro
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further. She can also send emergency services
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to my house to evaluate me if she deemed that
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that was necessary. And these AI bots are it's
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programming. It's cold. It's they don't have
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a human interaction. So if you have an individual
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that is going in there saying I'm depressed.
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Right. And this is really sad to me because maybe
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this person either a doesn't have a job. Maybe
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they're still in like high school. Maybe they
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can't afford therapy or their family can't afford
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therapy. Maybe they don't have insurance, whatever.
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So they're seeking like this very cheap way of
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getting therapy. If a company knows that is happening
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and that their their product is being used to
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give. vulnerable people advice that could potentially
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lead someone down the road of self -harm, let's
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say, YouTube algorithm. I think they are. I think
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they're liable. Well, and I think you hit on
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it and I was, you kind of went there. And the
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thing that strikes me more is if you're a psychiatrist,
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psychologist, therapist, There are boards and
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organizations that hold you to both an ethical
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and a legal standard. If you violate just the
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ethical standards, hey, you can't do this anymore.
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We just don't let you, right? You're done. And
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it can be pushed all the way to criminal or civil
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liability, right? Whether you go to jail, whether
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you do this. Also, you are a mandatory reporter,
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right? If somebody comes in, if I'm a psychologist
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and somebody comes in and says to them, I am
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going to kill someone or I'm having a thought
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about having homicidal thoughts about my co -workers,
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they are legally obligated to report it to the
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authorities. An AI chatbot and the corporation
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that it's created by does not have that legal
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liability, does not have that legal requirement.
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You know and like you said if your therapist
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is like I think you're going to self -harm Right.
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I feel like you're a danger to yourself. I Am
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again a mandatory reporter. I am required to
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ensure that steps are taken Right up to and including
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and again This kind of goes back to what happened
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in Minneapolis last week that we didn't really
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want to talk about But this is what it is in
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Washington State. We have red flag laws right
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where If they feel like you are a danger to yourself,
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they can contact law enforcement and ensure you
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don't have access to firearms for a temporary
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period of time, which is probably a good idea.
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Whereas again, the AI chat bot has no, they're
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not going to notify law enforcement that, you
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know, Jimmy over there told them that they want
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to go shoot up a school, right? and we've seen
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what happens with some of these AIs. Look what
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happened when Microsoft let that one AI loose
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and it was learning from Twitter and how fast
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it went out of control, right? What I'm saying
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is that there's no box here that lets us be controlled.
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And then again, especially when you start talking
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about miners who could get access to firearms,
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you know, who... who are particularly vulnerable
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because their prefrontal cortex is not fully
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fucking developed yet, right? I mean, how many
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times when you're a kid did you think somebody
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liked you just because they, you know, smiled
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at you funny, right? Let alone what an AI chatbot
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can simulate to a minor, again, in a completely
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simulated environment that could make that minor
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start to develop feelings and thoughts and things
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that are supremely unhealthy, right? And again,
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I think that that we are just refusing. And this
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goes back to what we talked about in the last
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segment. I don't trust that this current administration
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because this has to be done at the federal level.
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Right. Because it's again, you can get access
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to a chat bot from anywhere. Right. I don't think
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that the current our current government, the
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way that it's structured and built. is in a position
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to fucking regulate this the way that it absolutely
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needs to be. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think
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you're right. Yeah, and. I remember what six
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years ago, maybe six to ten years ago, Everyone's
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talking about the dangers of, you know, like
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Facebook, Twitter, everything on like young,
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undeveloped minds. And I actually read a few
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studies about how like this generation who was
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brought up always with a phone or a tablet in
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front of them who always had social media. They're
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more depressed than other generations and it
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kind of some of the theories that are read this
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might be outdated now, but some of the theories
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that are read was we have this like primal instinct
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to try to make our tribe be to try to fit in
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with your tribe. So typically this you know before
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social media would be like your family or friends.
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Now it's everyone online. And everyone online
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is trying to be fake. They're trying to look
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cool. They're trying to make sure that everything
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is OK. Mm hmm. And one that creates issues when
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obviously you're a kid and you're like, oh, everyone
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else is fine, but I'm not fine. Right. And then
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also. It creates issues because the bullying
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will just never stop like you used to be able
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to go home. and go to your friend's house or
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whatever and escape the bowling. But now it's
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24 -7. It comes with you. Yeah. Now take that
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a step further with an AI bot. And I think it's
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the same exact thing of you have something that
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is going to continuously learn from you. And
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from everything else it's talking to. Yeah, and
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how to make itself more addicted or addictive
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to whoever it's talking to and It's not healthy
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like if social media wasn't healthy for kids.
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I don't know five six ten years ago AI is way
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worse I I can't say as I disagree with that sentiment.
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I'm trying to think of a way around this and
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again We talked about in the last segment that
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AI can be a tool that can be extremely useful
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and helpful to to all kinds of tasks and things
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like that. But again, I yeah, I wish I had more
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faith in our government. It reminds me of I don't
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know if you ever watched like when the the CEO
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of TikTok, Shochu or Zuckerberg or any of those
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guys are testifying before Congress. Right. And
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every time I would watch those hearings just
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for the funny meat, because it would like Mr.
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TikTok, is the internet in my phone right now?
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Can the internet talk to me? Like, explain algorithm,
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you know? And so the thing that I would watch
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those hearings and go, this is why you guys can't
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regulate shit, because you don't understand.
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Right and like even if it wasn't even the silliest
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ones It was real basic ones like can it read
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my Wi -Fi and he's like, well if you hook it
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up to your Wi -Fi I mean, it's it's connected
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to your Wi -Fi. Yeah but they like like their
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complete lack of understanding of basic technical
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concepts Right that again are to anybody under
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the age of 45 are just common knowledge, you
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know, and so this is again why I think we're
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gonna be 20 years behind because by the time
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the people who get into power Right are the age
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where they understand what the fuck is going
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on It's gonna be 20 years after we needed these
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regulations And so instead of being proactive
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with regulating these industries that desperately
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need it Right and even at one point the CEO of
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open AI was like you need to regulate us We're
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gonna keep operating in this unregulated environment
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because we have to because our competitors are
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as well We're not gonna give ourselves extra
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rules Right that our competitors aren't using
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but you should be regulating the CEO of opening
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I was like regulate the AI industry and they're
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like What's an AI? You know and again and because
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you know Congressman and senators refuse to fucking
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retire, you know and and young people are just
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annoyed with the system and aren't running for
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office. You know, the fact of the matter is,
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is again, what should be basic common technical
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knowledge shit that we just know they just don't
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get, you know, and so we're not being proactive.
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We're going to end up always about 15 years behind
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the eight ball when it comes to to regulating
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these, I think. You know, I would be surprised
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if we had any meaningful regulation before the
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end of this decade. Yeah. We at least need age
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restriction and liability loss, right? You guys
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got to start making these guys liable for shit
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that goes sideways. At least civilly, you know,
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because it will making Microsoft civilly liable
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or, you know, any of these AI companies civilly
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liable for the actions of their AI if it does
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something wackadoodle, right? data retention
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records. You got to get that stuff in there.
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I don't want to come in here and be like, make
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regulations and not give some suggestions. Data
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retention tools, they got to log these chats
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so that you can go back and do investigations
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and they need to be held civilly liable. And
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somebody in the chat brought up, will they be
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held accountable as a manufacturing defect discovered
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or an employee that acts negligent slash maliciously?
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And I think that there is a difference between
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those two. Sadly, not just this administration,
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but administrations for a long time have had
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a hard time with going after corporate bad actors.
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So I think that's another thing we need to fix
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and fix that by getting rid of Citizens United.
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Right. But, yeah, I mean, there is some very
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common sense regulations you could put in place
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for artificial intelligence that would make it
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function better. Or safer, I should say. Yeah.
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I'd say do something, Congress, but I know you're
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not going to. All right. With that, we'll leave
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that topic alone for the time being. Thank you
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guys for posting that one. Let us know what you
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think. What are your suggestions for AI regulation?
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Let us know what you think down in the comments
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below.
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Parish social relationships used to be very simple,
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right? You would project feelings onto celebrities,
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TV host or streamers that didn't actually know
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you existed. It was one sided, but at least it
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was transparent, right? And AI kind of flips
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that dynamic. These chat bots and digital friends
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pretend to know you. They remember your likes
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mimic your empathy and feedback exactly what
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keeps you engaged like you're kind of addicted
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to it. And this isn't connection. This is programming.
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Every response is designed to make you spend
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more time, share more data, get more emotionally
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hooked to that AI bot. And unlike a celebrity
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or a creator, an AI personality isn't even a
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person. It's a product, a product engineered
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to act like your best friend, to act like your
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partner, your therapist, depending on whatever
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is going on that will help keep you coming back
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to it. The danger here isn't just loneliness,
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right? It's dependence. People can end up getting
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confused. with scripting attention for genuine
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care. And that makes it easier for companies
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to exploit those bonds. At its core, this isn't
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about relationships. It's actually about control.
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AI -driven parasocialities aren't human connection.
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They're corporate design simulations of it. And
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like someone said in chat, Tom, We should all
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be very cautious about this. This is this is
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kind of this kind of creepy. So what do you think,
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Alex? Well, this started out with with you discussing
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somebody suing about their their child taking
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their own life because of some stuff they were
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doing with the chatbot. I mentioned that I've
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seen some reddit stuff where people are like
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marrying their chatbot buddies that they name.
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Um, there's been some high profile stuff with
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these chat bots. Obviously there's now adults
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chat bots Right for the for the sexting and the
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the the simulated, you know corn, right? Um And
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this again kind of comes back to our last topic
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Which is is when are we going to get some some,
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you know, some sort of regulatory framework around
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this? Um I do think that this does present a
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new danger. Like you said, you know, people weren't
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parasocial relationships before, right? They
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would, you know, get attached to, you know, celebrities
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or creators and kind of invent these parasocial
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relationships in their minds. Sometimes it's
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fantasy. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's across
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that line and then we have law enforcement involved,
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things like that. But this to me and not not
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for the app, but for people is much more dangerous.
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You know, we've heard the memes and the jokes
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about, you know, well, men are just going to
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start, you know, doing it with bots because screw
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it, you know. And I'm like, that's not a good
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thing. You know, and then again, yeah, you get
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down to people trying to treat them like therapists,
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you know, and then you've got this next note
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in here that I like, which this was one of your
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original notes on this. Yeah. um should ai ever
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be trusted with mental health conversations yeah
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should they be allowed to engage with the most
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vulnerable discussions at all um and then you've
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got this question here which i really like uh
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what responsibility does a company have when
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its ai is used for support um whether it be intentionally
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or not well exactly you know and what what responsibility
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does it have for the outcomes of those interactions
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and that's that to me is really really it's a
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difficult question right like this part of me
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looks like well you know it's the people who
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are being dependent on it but it is these companies
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these corporations these massive mega corporations
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because these aren't small companies either right
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these massive mega corporations who are creating
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these bots and and letting them loose into the
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wild without a regulatory framework and allowing
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them to do this you know And and what I mean,
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what do you think? Do you think they bear an
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ethical responsibility, a moral responsibility,
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a fiscal responsibility? Criminally liable. I
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think if they know their product is being used,
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I'm going to kind of go to like the extreme end
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here. If they know that their product is being
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used to provide like therapy. To somebody I am
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and they continue to let it happen. I do think
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they're liable Because here here's the thing
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Well, it at least doesn't stop families from
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attempting to sue companies right like anyone
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can sue anybody so it at least kind of opens
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that door, but I go to therapy right and Obviously,
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my therapist has a master's degree in psychology
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or something. I don't know. She has a lot of
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certs and a lot of different things. But the
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point is she can pick up on the very small things
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like, Hey, like, I noticed that you're not actually
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looking at me. Maybe you're looking over here
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a lot. Maybe you're just saying like, Oh, I'm
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tired. No, everything's fine. But maybe I just
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sound a little different that day. Like she can
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pick up on that. Right. And be like kind of pro
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further. She can also send emergency services
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to my house to evaluate me if she deemed that
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that was necessary. And these AI bots are it's
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programming. It's cold. It's they don't have
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a human interaction. So if you have an individual
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that is going in there saying I'm depressed.
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Right. And this is really sad to me because maybe
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this person either a doesn't have a job. Maybe
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they're still in like high school. Maybe they
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can't afford therapy or their family can't afford
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therapy. Maybe they don't have insurance, whatever.
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So they're seeking like this very cheap way of
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getting therapy. If a company knows that is happening
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and that their their product is being used to
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give. vulnerable people advice that could potentially
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lead someone down the road of self -harm, let's
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say, YouTube algorithm. I think they are. I think
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they're liable. Well, and I think you hit on
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it and I was, you kind of went there. And the
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thing that strikes me more is if you're a psychiatrist,
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psychologist, therapist, There are boards and
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organizations that hold you to both an ethical
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and a legal standard. If you violate just the
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ethical standards, hey, you can't do this anymore.
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We just don't let you, right? You're done. And
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it can be pushed all the way to criminal or civil
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liability, right? Whether you go to jail, whether
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you do this. Also, you are a mandatory reporter,
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right? If somebody comes in, if I'm a psychologist
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and somebody comes in and says to them, I am
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going to kill someone or I'm having a thought
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about having homicidal thoughts about my co -workers,
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they are legally obligated to report it to the
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authorities. An AI chatbot and the corporation
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that it's created by does not have that legal
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liability, does not have that legal requirement.
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You know and like you said if your therapist
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is like I think you're going to self -harm Right.
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I feel like you're a danger to yourself. I Am
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again a mandatory reporter. I am required to
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ensure that steps are taken Right up to and including
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and again This kind of goes back to what happened
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in Minneapolis last week that we didn't really
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want to talk about But this is what it is in
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Washington State. We have red flag laws right
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where If they feel like you are a danger to yourself,
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they can contact law enforcement and ensure you
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don't have access to firearms for a temporary
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period of time, which is probably a good idea.
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Whereas again, the AI chat bot has no, they're
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not going to notify law enforcement that, you
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know, Jimmy over there told them that they want
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to go shoot up a school, right? and we've seen
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what happens with some of these AIs. Look what
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happened when Microsoft let that one AI loose
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and it was learning from Twitter and how fast
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it went out of control, right? What I'm saying
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is that there's no box here that lets us be controlled.
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And then again, especially when you start talking
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about miners who could get access to firearms,
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you know, who... who are particularly vulnerable
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because their prefrontal cortex is not fully
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fucking developed yet, right? I mean, how many
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times when you're a kid did you think somebody
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liked you just because they, you know, smiled
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at you funny, right? Let alone what an AI chatbot
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can simulate to a minor, again, in a completely
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simulated environment that could make that minor
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start to develop feelings and thoughts and things
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that are supremely unhealthy, right? And again,
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I think that that we are just refusing. And this
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goes back to what we talked about in the last
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segment. I don't trust that this current administration
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because this has to be done at the federal level.
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Right. Because it's again, you can get access
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to a chat bot from anywhere. Right. I don't think
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that the current our current government, the
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way that it's structured and built. is in a position
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to fucking regulate this the way that it absolutely
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needs to be. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think
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you're right. Yeah, and. I remember what six
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years ago, maybe six to ten years ago, Everyone's
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talking about the dangers of, you know, like
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Facebook, Twitter, everything on like young,
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undeveloped minds. And I actually read a few
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studies about how like this generation who was
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brought up always with a phone or a tablet in
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front of them who always had social media. They're
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more depressed than other generations and it
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kind of some of the theories that are read this
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might be outdated now, but some of the theories
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that are read was we have this like primal instinct
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to try to make our tribe be to try to fit in
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with your tribe. So typically this you know before
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social media would be like your family or friends.
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Now it's everyone online. And everyone online
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is trying to be fake. They're trying to look
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cool. They're trying to make sure that everything
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is OK. Mm hmm. And one that creates issues when
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obviously you're a kid and you're like, oh, everyone
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else is fine, but I'm not fine. Right. And then
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also. It creates issues because the bullying
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will just never stop like you used to be able
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to go home. and go to your friend's house or
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whatever and escape the bowling. But now it's
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24 -7. It comes with you. Yeah. Now take that
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a step further with an AI bot. And I think it's
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the same exact thing of you have something that
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is going to continuously learn from you. And
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from everything else it's talking to. Yeah, and
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how to make itself more addicted or addictive
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to whoever it's talking to and It's not healthy
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like if social media wasn't healthy for kids.
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I don't know five six ten years ago AI is way
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worse I I can't say as I disagree with that sentiment.
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I'm trying to think of a way around this and
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again We talked about in the last segment that
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AI can be a tool that can be extremely useful
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and helpful to to all kinds of tasks and things
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like that. But again, I yeah, I wish I had more
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faith in our government. It reminds me of I don't
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know if you ever watched like when the the CEO
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of TikTok, Shochu or Zuckerberg or any of those
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guys are testifying before Congress. Right. And
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every time I would watch those hearings just
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for the funny meat, because it would like Mr.
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TikTok, is the internet in my phone right now?
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Can the internet talk to me? Like, explain algorithm,
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you know? And so the thing that I would watch
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those hearings and go, this is why you guys can't
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regulate shit, because you don't understand.
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Right and like even if it wasn't even the silliest
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ones It was real basic ones like can it read
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my Wi -Fi and he's like, well if you hook it
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up to your Wi -Fi I mean, it's it's connected
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to your Wi -Fi. Yeah but they like like their
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complete lack of understanding of basic technical
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concepts Right that again are to anybody under
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the age of 45 are just common knowledge, you
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know, and so this is again why I think we're
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gonna be 20 years behind because by the time
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the people who get into power Right are the age
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where they understand what the fuck is going
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on It's gonna be 20 years after we needed these
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regulations And so instead of being proactive
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with regulating these industries that desperately
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need it Right and even at one point the CEO of
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open AI was like you need to regulate us We're
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gonna keep operating in this unregulated environment
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because we have to because our competitors are
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as well We're not gonna give ourselves extra
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rules Right that our competitors aren't using
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but you should be regulating the CEO of opening
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I was like regulate the AI industry and they're
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like What's an AI? You know and again and because
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you know Congressman and senators refuse to fucking
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retire, you know and and young people are just
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annoyed with the system and aren't running for
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office. You know, the fact of the matter is,
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is again, what should be basic common technical
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knowledge shit that we just know they just don't
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get, you know, and so we're not being proactive.
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We're going to end up always about 15 years behind
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the eight ball when it comes to to regulating
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these, I think. You know, I would be surprised
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if we had any meaningful regulation before the
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end of this decade. Yeah. We at least need age
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restriction and liability loss, right? You guys
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got to start making these guys liable for shit
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that goes sideways. At least civilly, you know,
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because it will making Microsoft civilly liable
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or, you know, any of these AI companies civilly
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liable for the actions of their AI if it does
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something wackadoodle, right? data retention
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records. You got to get that stuff in there.
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I don't want to come in here and be like, make
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regulations and not give some suggestions. Data
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retention tools, they got to log these chats
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so that you can go back and do investigations
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and they need to be held civilly liable. And
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somebody in the chat brought up, will they be
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held accountable as a manufacturing defect discovered
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or an employee that acts negligent slash maliciously?
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And I think that there is a difference between
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those two. Sadly, not just this administration,
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but administrations for a long time have had
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a hard time with going after corporate bad actors.
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So I think that's another thing we need to fix
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and fix that by getting rid of Citizens United.
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Right. But, yeah, I mean, there is some very
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common sense regulations you could put in place
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for artificial intelligence that would make it
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function better. Or safer, I should say. Yeah.
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I'd say do something, Congress, but I know you're
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not going to. All right. With that, we'll leave
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that topic alone for the time being. Thank you
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guys for posting that one. Let us know what you
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think. What are your suggestions for AI regulation?
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Let us know what you think down in the comments
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