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Speaker 1: This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform.
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Speaker 2: Glad you are here.
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Speaker 1: Lots of fun stuff to talk about today. Hey, we've spent a fair amount of time talking about what I view as as kind of a structural problem for the state going forward politically, and been zeroed in on how KUSA has become the station of record.
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Speaker 2: I think most would agree.
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Speaker 1: For televised political debates in Colorado, and I think that the reason for that is that Kyle Clark is probably the most talented debate moderator this state has seen. Now, in my constitutionally protected opinion, he uses that talent to protect Democrats and to disadvantage Republicans.
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Speaker 2: But the bigger thing.
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Speaker 1: Is it just deprives of people of the state, I believe, of what they really need, which is a fair and balanced understanding of these candidates. And these debates are unique opportunity, right, I mean, the candidates standing right there under the glare of the TV lights and their consultants can't save them. Their talking points can't save them. And I want the toughest debate moderator you can get, and Kyle Clark has that ability, but we normally only see.
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Speaker 2: It employed against Republicans.
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Speaker 1: But and now where it's really starting to get interesting is not many people have been too concerned when when he was just doing that to Republicans. But now he's I believe, and I think others do, or he would not have spoken out on it, disadvantaging other Democrats in favor of their fellow Democrats. So we've been breaking that down because in particular the US Senate primary that John Hickenlooper just won by like five and a half points, and he had this young, artic Latino state Senator Julie Gonzalez running against him, and she had formerly been a Democrats socialist, and so the whole wave in the country, right, the whole wave in the country and the Democratic Party is these young socialists knocking off, you know, these old dinosaur establishment Democrats.
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Speaker 2: And you could see that emerging in Colorado.
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Speaker 1: She had closed within eight in late May and had all this energy and everything else, but Kusa did not set up a debate between she and Nickliper. My personal opinion is that it was to protect the Democratic Party because I think the only way I think they think, the only way they could lose that seat is if they nominated a former Democrats socialist, and I think they're right. I think they're right that that seat would have been in real jeopardy, a US Senate seat if she had won. And my belief is, again it's just opinion, but my belief is that Kusa had to know that if they put her on the same stage with John Hickenlooper, there was a very good chance she was going to win that primary three l three seven one three eight two five five, And she says she asked, She says, she said she she reached out to Kyle Clark via Facebook and said, hey, Hickenlooper has agreed to a debate, let's do it now.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe Hickenlooper I would have followed.
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Speaker 1: Through on that, but she deserved to at least have that debate set up and then if Hickenlooper chose to dodge it, to be called out on it.
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Speaker 2: But that's that's the bigger problem we have here.
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Speaker 1: Is I think we've reached the point where the political debates that are most watched, I personally think are manipulated to protect the Democrats, and I don't have any beef.
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Speaker 2: I don't have any beef.
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Speaker 1: At all with the grilling that Kyle Clark gave the GOP candidates in that debate. I say, grill everybody as hard as you can. The voters deserve it, but you got to do it to both sides. My goodness, that backrum that he gave to Wiser and Bennett, that's probably legal in twenty five states. You know, how do you go through a whole debate with Wiser and Bennett and not even ask him about all these big fails by Democrats in Colorado, Rhods, crime, boys and girls, sports, which is on the ballot, fentanyl extent. You're asking about stuff. If I remember, I like, you know, some landlord ballot measure. I mean, it really was just such an obvious kind of protection set up for those damns. So we've been talking about that and much more ahead on the show today. So I do want to get back to some of those Texters, Dan who cares if Julia is Latina? I think the people who decided not to let her debate Hick and Looper. I think kus It decided to try to host a Gonzalez taking Looper debate. Cared because here's the point. I don't think for a second, not one microsecond, that KUSA was trying to defeat her because she's Latina.
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Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: I think, if my theory is correct, they were trying to defeat her because there was a chance the Republican would beat her. That's what I believe was going on. No, but why do they care She's Latina? Tremendous tremendous advantage in this cycle. Clearly within the Democratic Party there is an understandable hunger, you know, for this young, articulate, dynamic talent of color. It's clear within the Democratic Party it's a political consideration. Look at malt Kiros. Yeah, they could see. I've got to believe they saw that dynamic. All right, what else do we have here? Sh d Cony Barrett always impressed me as too scared to hold office. I understand, but it goes with the territory to withstand threats. I think that is fundamentally wrong and unfair to Justice Barrett. I'll get back to that when we get to that topic in the next segment. I played earlier the sound of her on the Hill today is you know, so rare to have US Supreme Court justices testify on the Hill. They were up on budget issues, but of course it also is it should turn to security matters with the left now trying to intimidate and in some cases kill conservative justices so that the left can win on these issues before the Supreme Court. That's how serious it's gotten, led by Chuck Schumer, who stood on the steps of the Supreme Court, and we play that sound often threatening justices by name.
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Speaker 2: You won't know what hits.
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Speaker 1: You if you vote the quote wrong way on this Dan, Over three hundred thousand people did not vote for Victor in the gop GO primary. Phil received over five hundred thousand votes, since Victor and his team were happy to block other people who disagreed with me as a long way to go to not lose by a lot. That from Alexa. You know, it's so interesting in this general. I mean, as you know, I think the final vote totals were. I think they're in now. Victor two hundred and eight thousand, three hundred and forty five Barb two hundred and five, nine thirty one Scott one oh eight four forty four. Bad news for Kelvin Wimberly, who got none. So I don't know why he appears.
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Speaker 2: In the totals.
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Speaker 1: But but yeah, so when you're looking at the general, if we look at history, you know, if you go back to like that Polis Heidi race, the GOP nominee is probably going to have to get about a million, two hundred thousand votes to have a chance to win. So yeah, it got to expand that support a lot.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And let's say that Victor gets all the votes that went to Barb and Scott. You know, that would get you up to about five hundred and twenty five thousand votes. So yeah, really have to grow that tent in the general. And one of the things that's going to be very interesting to watch is is what Victor and his camp are going to do that To do that, they were brilliant in the primary. They scoped out that very few people would be voting in the GOP primary. They stayed focused on their core supporters and that was enough to get them over the finish line. Obviously, they're going to have to reach out and be very broad in the general. And here's here's kind of the starting point question for you. Are they going to do that? I mean, not successfully? Are they going to try? That's the starting point question, and this will be fascinating to watch. Are they even going to try to do that? I sure hope so, I sure hope so. But that's an answered question because I'm no political strategist, but just kind of one on one stuff. What I don't get is, you know Victor, he looks good, he's friendly, he's an accomplished public speaker, and he just won the primary that got a lot of attention and national attention. Why didn't he immediately go out and get on every TV and radio station that would have him, which.
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Speaker 2: Would have been every I don't get that.
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Speaker 1: I understand the Democrats have more money, but that's where you got to win, Gorilla. You got to go get all the free media you can. And there was a lead time here, right because it was pretty clear Victor was going to win, But then it took another three, four or five days to count those final cure votes, so there was all sorts of time to ramp up and get all these interviews set up. Never happened as far as I'm concerned, So that doesn't answer any questions for me, But it raises a question does the campaign intend to campaign statewide? Does the campaign intend to campaign the way we traditionally see campaigns try to go out after as many votes as they can get statewide.
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Speaker 2: Because if you were going to do that, wouldn't you have.
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Speaker 1: Taken full advantage of that very impressive attention getting win.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's going to be very.
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Speaker 1: Interesting to see where the campaign chooses to go with that. Hey, when we come back a lot we need to do well, we'll follow up on what we've been talking about, and then we'll play Kyle Clark. He decided to go public on this, which tells me he must be getting a lot of blowback from those on the left to who I think would have a right to feel cheated by KUSA not offering a host of debate between Gonzales and Hick and Looper, because I think they have every right to think that Gonzales would have cleaned his clock and.
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Speaker 2: Won the race.
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Speaker 1: But what we'll play his explanation and then you can decide for yourself whether that all makes sense to you. But I do want to also get to that sound of justice Barrett on the hill. I want to get to President Trump teasing a national address, national address on Thursday night regarding election fraud. What do you think he's going to reveal all of that ahead on the Dan Capler Show.
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Speaker 3: Now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
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Speaker 4: It is it's really really big those and our country has to shape up. This is what we're going to be talking about Thursday. Is it doesn't get bigger because without free and fair elections, you don't have a country. We'll be discussing other things too, but it's going to be a very big announcement.
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Speaker 1: Wow, what do you think that's going to be President touting the Thursday night on national address pertaining to election security.
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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, there will be some other things on the docket. But what do you think that is? Zach and he guesses what the big reveal is.
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Speaker 5: I'm thinking it's probably about the Georgia stuff. That's what I've seen rumored, and it seems like those are close elections. Seems like something Trump would want to comment on. That's my bet right now.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good bet. I think that's good. But well, we'll be all over it, you know, we'll be talking about it. Let's go to beautiful Elizabeth Colorado. We'll talk to Rod.
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Speaker 2: You're on the Dame Kapitalis Show. How you doing Rode good? Dan much So I'm living the dream, my friend.
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Speaker 6: Hey, Victor needs to paint oh, I'm sorry wiser as a Democratic Socialist Party guy. Okay, And then he needs to come out to Bennett publicly and say, hey, can I get your endorsement? Now, I know Bennett will be laughing on the floor on that one, but he's got to peel off Bennett voters over to his side. And as far as the rep Republican Party, I mean, Bottom's Bard needs to endorse him. I'm not sure what Lopez even got in for. I think he would have been better running for I don't even know who Republicans sent a party candidate is, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Mark basically great guys solid, Yeah, well.
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Speaker 6: I just no name recognition. I've never read it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think he would have benefited from a contested primary, you know, I think he would have benefited from that. But but there's there's still time. He is very solid and I think will bring a lot to the table. But getting back to your point, I agree with with with what you're saying for Victor, and I think the key for Victor, and the big unanswered question right now is whether we're going to see an all out statewide effort to try to win that That is the big unanswered question at this point. I sure hope the answer is yes and that we see that start soon, because Hey, for any Republican, it's an uphill battle, right Rod. You could take the greatest Republicans we've had in Colorado history, and we've had some giants, and you put him into this cycle under these circumstances, they're going to have a time winning that race. So they've got to be starting right now after winning the primary, taking advantage of the win, taking advantage of that energy, be hitting the pavement hard all over the state, statewide campaign every TV station they'll take you, every radio station.
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Speaker 2: That'll take you. That's that's if a GOP candidate.
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Speaker 1: I don't care who she or he is, if they want to win statewide in these circumstances, that's what they got to be doing right now.
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but I think any debate Victor does, I know we talked about it yesterday, that you know, not answering questions. I don't have a problem with him not answering questions. I think he needs to tell the people what he's going to do. But I think he can relate every answer to California to New York and really really zone in on how bad those states are doing. Compare him to Colorada and how bad this state is doing, and open the eyes to the people that are a little more in the middle and pull them Benet people over the boat for him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I appreciate the call, my friend.
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Speaker 1: I sure hope we see a massive statewide effort, a massive statewide.
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Speaker 2: Effort, and I think we'll know.
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Speaker 1: I think we'll know pretty soon what the campaign's intent there is, whether it intends to try to compete for the governor's office, because the reality is, I mean, we all know the numbers, right, I mean that the GOP candidate's probably going to need about a million to fifty to have a shot to win if you just base that on the last time around, and that may not get it done. And Victor had two to eight, and to his credit, he got thirty five hundred more than Barb and you know he deserves credit for that win. But that is a very very small fraction of what it will take to win statewide. It's a relatively small fraction of what it will take to be credible and competitive. So I do hope we see a strategy emerged soon for an aggressive state wide race. And I'm sorry that we've had this missed opportunity of taking advantage of the tailwinds of the impressive victory.
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Speaker 2: Don't you think, Zach that.
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Speaker 1: I'm just really surprised because I would think any candidate coming off an impressive victory like that and then you had three, four, five days notice you're going to win, it would be on every TV show, every radio station that would have you, and just be trying to use that free media not only to reach all the people, but reach all the people with that winner's glow. You've just won the primary. You're an outsider, you've just won the primary. You got that glow. Just go get in front of everybody for free.
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Speaker 7: Why not?
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Speaker 2: What's the downside?
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Speaker 5: I think when you have someone you know with a big media presence, like a Kyle Clark, going hey, I think this guy might be a fraud, and then you never really address those claims and then turtle up the campaign kind of turtled up and just try to hide.
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Speaker 3: Him as much as they could.
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Speaker 2: To me, it reads like you have something to hide.
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Speaker 5: Most in most cases, I think when the candidate has a good case to set the record straight or to point out, oh, this was unfair, media bias, whatever, they typically snipe back pretty quick.
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Speaker 3: They don't.
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Speaker 5: This is the typical to me of someone who doesn't have a strong claim, who doesn't have a strong defense.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: The strategy obviously worked in the primary right, and they knew the numbers, and they worked it right now. It's not going to work in a general and I happen to be in your camp their Zach. I really do think that with the seriousness of the allegations, combined with the fair questions that have been raised, because you know, anybody can make serious allegations that just have no support whatsoever and then you ignore, I think there are serious allegations that have some real support. The very fair questions have been rased, which doesn't mean Victor is guilty of what he's accused of, which is essentially fraud. Doesn't mean he's guilty of it, but these are fair questions, and I personally believe that if he doesn't come out and address those directly, I do think at that point the campaign has no chance, and I'd love to be able to support him.
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Speaker 2: I hope he does address those.
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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
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Speaker 8: Essinal disease that is making life miserable for those who contract it. And while the US has seen outbreaks of cyclosporiasis in the past.
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Speaker 2: To some four thousand reported cases.
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Speaker 1: This cyclosporiasis even sounds bad. But yeah, Colorado has some of those two I hope we're not talking about that more in the future. We will be if the numbers continue to grow three three seven, one, three eight two five five five seven, seven, three nine.
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Speaker 2: Apparently one of the causes is it can be borne in fruit and on fruit and things like that. So you can see, Zach. I'm sitting here eating my daily apple and peanut butter, so it hasn't scared me off. But all right, let's go to the phone line. So let's start with Mike here on the Dan Caplis.
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Speaker 7: You're welcome.
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Speaker 8: Hey, Dan, I's talk to you again.
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Speaker 6: You.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was a figure this echo chamber along with everybody else, and you guys are talking about how he needs the campaign more and do all this stuff.
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Speaker 8: If you just go back and.
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Speaker 9: Count how many times his name was mentioned on your station amongst all the other candidates. Barb, he never came in except with Ryan, But you guys mentioned his name every day. And what my point is is, if you found his name, whether it's good or bad, you and I are informed about voting. But everybody else that's out there that's just hearing the name, when they see it on a ballot, they're gonna mark his name.
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Speaker 8: That's just the way.
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Speaker 9: It's crazy, it works that way. But look at Madami. They just pounded his name. Look at Trump when he won the first time, everyone his name because of the bold things he was saying. You know that people like hunt, you know, and then they just mentioned his name Trump tum tum tump, you know, Madam. The more that's that's its name out there, Mike, it's a favor.
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Speaker 1: That's a real important point is I think the name or recognition really does matter, and I think that Victor Mark stands to in some ways really benefit from that in this campaign if they mount a full throated statewide campaign. And that's my starting point question are they going to do that? And the reason it's even a question in my mind, because you think, of course they are. But it's a question in my mind because we didn't see that right after they won the primary. Why weren't they everywhere, every radio show, every TV station with that winner's glow taking advantage of it. That's what raises the question in my mind whether they're even going to campaignfully statewide or just kind of keep it, you know, to the inner circle that won them the primary. And and so you're right about name I D.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing that.
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Speaker 1: Could work for Victor, you know, in the general is, you know, you've got all this national attention. A lot of it is late night comics stuff, but you've got all this national attention, and on social media, there's all sorts of stuff flying around the particularly younger voters see, you know, of the clips of Victor, you know, and I'm paraphrasing saying, he I can't remember did he say Zach He doesn't know or wouldn't say how many people he's killed outside the.
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Speaker 2: Military, whatever it is, but wouldn't say.
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Speaker 1: But that clip circulating, and you know, I could see a bunch of kids just voting for him because it kind of poked.
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Speaker 2: The establishment in the in the eye. That kind of thing. Who knows. All I'm saying is.
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Speaker 1: Any Republicans can have a real hard time in this cycle for governor. But to have any chance, you got to be campaigning from day one hard statewide.
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Speaker 2: And we'll find out together if they're going to do that. Paul in Denver, you're on the Dan kaplis so welcome. Dan.
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Speaker 7: He's going to be lucky if he gets three hundred thousand votes in the state wide election. Marx is not very smart. He or he would have done what you said. I just I've heard him on the show. I've heard one with Ryan when he was on Brian the time. The guys is not very smart. You can see out campaigning and everything in the state he does. He doesn't campaign the state. He goes to Florida and collects money. The guy's not a serious candidate. But wait, wait a second, brother, Wait serious candidate.
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Speaker 1: Wait a second, Paul. The fact that he won the primary disproves your point. You cannot win the gofp Prepp. There were eighteen candidates. You can't win the GOP primary, you know, without being smart the primary.
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Speaker 2: What's it?
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Speaker 7: If he was, if he's a serious candidate, he would have gone to all those debates gainst everyone else. They bought him to Kirkmeyer and Michel did he didn't, he didn't want to go to him.
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Speaker 2: He won money. Paul, wait a second candidate. No, no, no, hold on, I'm starting with your smart thing.
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Speaker 1: Listen, man, you're cool and you're quick, and I'd love to have a conversation with you, but you've got to let me participate or else.
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Speaker 2: Say what you want to say.
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Speaker 1: We'll enjoy it and then i'll comment. You tell me which way you want to do if you want to do the back and forth. Let's start with smart, because all I'm saying is, yeah, all those people you mentioned are very smart, but he won. So all I'm saying is the fact that they ran a very smart campaign aimed at a very at their core, and they won.
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Speaker 2: That was a smart strategy.
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Speaker 1: So you can maybe say a lot of things about him, but I think it's wrong to say he's not smart. Now, your next point was he's not a serious candidate. I think we will find out together very soon whether he is a serious candidate for governor in this sense, whether he's he's going to make an effort to win the office, or whether winning.
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Speaker 2: The primary was it, And now he's going to run a very.
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Speaker 1: Close to the vast kind of isolated campaign aimed at maybe growing his core supporters a bit, and that's going to be that.
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Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out together.
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Speaker 7: Okay, I think he is handlers are smart. I don't think he's all that smart. I think the people that put him up to this are smart.
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Speaker 2: Do I think he's smart?
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Speaker 7: No, I think he's medium intelligence at best. I think he's a good at spion in his con I think he's good at that. Why do I think he's intelligence of the others, No, I don't. I think Bottoms or kirk Meyer or Michael could talk rings around. That's why he wouldn't go in debate to them, because they knew they'd make him look foolish.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right in a traditional sense, and that's not a reflection on his intelligence. I don't agree with you on that. In terms of the ability to stand on a debate stage and debate the issues, et cetera. I think you're right, and I think that's why he stayed away from those formats because the others were going to clobber them. But doesn't that just come back to being smart. As Clint Eastwood said, right, a man's got to know his limitations.
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Speaker 7: Do you also need to know you're right? You need to know your limitations. But if you're not very smart, you need to realize that too. I think he knew he wasn't smart enough as them, and that's why he did his limitations as he did well. He knew he couldn't stand up them intellect Joy.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a difference between being smart and being well informed on particular subjects. I think that he recognized that he wasn't then.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he is now well informed on.
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Speaker 1: These different public policy issues and he didn't want to engage in that.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 7: I think you're right there is a difference, but I don't think he meets either one. Well, you know, if don't.
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Speaker 2: Think he's go ahead, No, no, please, I'm sorry, I just no.
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Speaker 7: I just don't think he's going to meet I don't think he meets the late level. I think he is going to that bad as Danny's, if not worse. You said about these people poking people, And I don't know how many of people on the other who voted again didn't vote for him in the Republican fronment they are going to count on the Republicans were way too by not even Republican anymore. Because of this, I stepped out of the party. But I'm way too practical fractured. This party is oh yeah, way too that's what it is now. And Dan, do you have your beliefs And I understand your fundamental man of what you believe, but I think as long as the beliefs so you hold are going to be we're going to pull people up to that, we're never going to win in this do you mean life conversation before?
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Speaker 2: Do you mean pro life?
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Speaker 7: That's why I think. I think, yeah, if I don't think that if we hold candidates that standard, we're going to win in this case.
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Speaker 2: What about Joe Day?
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Speaker 1: Joe Day was a week wonderful candidate in every way except as pro choice beliefs.
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Speaker 7: But a lot of people wouldn't back them because of that. Right one of them. You said you wouldn't even endorse him, right when he would have been a great candidate. We'll we have half party each way that's out on this.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 1: No, And that's where Paul I respectfully say your math is wrong because you haven't and the history has proven it. There are a whole lot of people, starting with the Republican Party, who are not pro life, who will vote for pro life candidates. There are very few pro lifers who will vote for a pro abortion candidate because.
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Speaker 2: We view that as voting to kill babies.
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Speaker 7: I understand also are condating the state democratic rule by doing that. Oh but I understand if you want to have someone who can stand up other ways and can and win, fine, but we haven't had that. We have these people who are so strict that way that people on the side won't vote him. Soolid, I think you're wrong. I don't think there aren't many pro choice people who will vote for a pro life candidate. I think you're more well. I just don't agree, okay.
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Speaker 1: Paul, And I appreciate that, And I know many people agree with you. But here where is where I think they're provably wrong, And I hope you do call off. And and that is we tried it with Joe O.
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Speaker 7: Day.
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Speaker 1: And Joe Day was an awesome candidate in every way other than his pro abortion positions, and he got clobberd in the general. So that proves that that for the GOP to win It's not a matter of abandoning what's right to try to get more votes.
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Speaker 2: What's the point that's not even winning anyway?
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Speaker 1: Right, if all of a sudden to get the office, we are going to support wicked things, what's the point. But anyway, that was the best possible test. Joe Day not only failed to win, he got clobbered. So we have our answer on that. On the other hand, we have lots of examples around the country of pro life candidates winning in swing states. You know, Colorado's a tougher nut to crack, but that just means we need our candidates to be extremely sharp and talented and very very well prepared to take on this issue. I mean, look at Georgia, ultimate swing state. Georgia has one of the most protective abortion laws in the country. Others would say conservative abortion laws. And Brian Kemp, who supports one of the most conservative abortion laws in the country, won the ultimate swing state by eight points, your runner.
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Speaker 2: I rest my.
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Speaker 3: Case, and now back to The Dan Kaplis Show Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Five fifty two. On this pretty afternoon, line's on fire.
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Speaker 1: Let's go straight back there. Thomas in beautiful Pueblo listening on the Great KCSJ. You're on the Dan Capitlis Show.
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Speaker 2: Welcome.
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Speaker 8: How are we doing, mister capitol.
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Speaker 2: We are living to dream.
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Speaker 8: My friend, well, I wish you could have got me on there with that last college. Yeah, whoa, he got me stirred up.
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Speaker 2: He should have.
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Speaker 8: So here's here's one thing that everybody needs to know. And I don't care if you're Democrat, Independent, or Republican. People that's been in the stink don't like to talk about the stink. And I'm being where you don't get censored. Veterans that do things don't talk about it. So for him to not want to go debate with kirk Meyer or Weisner or Poeless or anybody else that has never served is perfectly validated because people don't talk about stuff like that that has actually went and done it. And that needs to be to all Democrats, independence and Republicans that don't count the guy out. Don't think that he's being truthful, but don't count him out on what he's done and what he can do because he don't want to talk.
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Speaker 1: About Thomas may may ask you a question on that that does and I understand why that analysis applies to our courageous and heroic veterans who have fought in combat. Does it apply here to Victor Marx when his accusers say he did not do the things he claims, and he's talking about actions outside of military service.
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Speaker 8: Yes, because once you're in the military, you're always in the military. You get out of the military, and you stick with what they taught you in your ethics and the way that you do your everyday life, you stick with what they taught you.
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Speaker 1: Now, Thomas, yes, go ahead, because as you know, my friend, we do see certain military heroes who then write books about it. You know, they go on speaking tours and things like that, and I think they're all very well motivated and have a right to tell the stories of heroism and their brothers and sisters in arms, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: Are you critical of them?
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Speaker 8: No, I'm not to each their own, just like I'm not critical to anybody that wants to be gay, or think they're a woman when they're a man, or think they're a man when they're a woman, or think they're a cat when they're a person. I'm not critical to any of it. But the simple fact of the matter is you cannot take what you think and put it towards what that man thinks and take it away from it.
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Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges that Victor Hazard now Thomas, is that this is not a case where say, he had engaged in the heroism that he claims and then had just gone off to quiet life. He wrote a book called Dangerous Gentleman. His accusers say he's raised a lot of money off that the stories of his heroism. So do you think it's unfair now for people to say when he chooses to run for governor, hey, we.
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Speaker 2: We need proof.
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Speaker 1: We need to know whether what you're saying is true or not when you've made it the central part of your qualifications.
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Speaker 8: No, sir, because we have a lot of presidents that write books. Obama's one, Bush is another. They all make their money. A president of the United States makes two hundred and fifty thousand. If I'm not mistaken to run the free world. It's not enough money. It's not enough money. But they're all millionaires by the time they meet the boy.
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Speaker 2: That is all for sure?
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Speaker 6: Is it?
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Speaker 2: That is for sure?
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Speaker 1: Except Biden can't. Biden can't get any speaking gigs. I wonder why, But hey, Tom's really enjoyed it.
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Speaker 2: We've got it.
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Speaker 1: We got to wrap up the show. But really appreciate you listening on CACSJ down there. I hope you call off. And to those we won't get to today, I apologize. But God and management willing will be back tomorrow. And uh, I'm telling you, Zach that this is just going to be so fascinating. I mean, just starting with you know, what kind of campaign is Victor going to run? Is he? Is he going to run statewide? You know, I got a text by the way that said, Hey, Victor is going to be on km US tomorrow. I got to tell you Victor goes on a morning show over there that I have tremendous respect for. I have great respect for the hosts. They do a tremendous job. They're very smart people of great integrity. And Victor is smart to go on that show, and God love him for it, and I hope he goes on a lot. But if you're running for governor and your strategy is you're going to go on one radio station, then at that point, what you're telling everybody is you're not running a statewide campaign. And I don't mean this because it's me, because I don't matter, but any Republican candidate for high office who's unwilling to come on this show.
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Speaker 2: That's got to tell you something. Because I've been on air for decades, and it's a fair criticism.
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Speaker 1: I mean that I am relentlessly nice to GOP candidates, probably too nice. I was relentlessly nice to Victor when he was with me, So whether it's Victor or somebody else, though, I think Victor is the only GOP candidate who won't come on the show now, So have a great evening.
Speaker 1: This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every single day on your favorite podcast platform.
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Speaker 2: Glad you are here.
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Speaker 1: Lots of fun stuff to talk about today. Hey, we've spent a fair amount of time talking about what I view as as kind of a structural problem for the state going forward politically, and been zeroed in on how KUSA has become the station of record.
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Speaker 2: I think most would agree.
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Speaker 1: For televised political debates in Colorado, and I think that the reason for that is that Kyle Clark is probably the most talented debate moderator this state has seen. Now, in my constitutionally protected opinion, he uses that talent to protect Democrats and to disadvantage Republicans.
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Speaker 2: But the bigger thing.
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Speaker 1: Is it just deprives of people of the state, I believe, of what they really need, which is a fair and balanced understanding of these candidates. And these debates are unique opportunity, right, I mean, the candidates standing right there under the glare of the TV lights and their consultants can't save them. Their talking points can't save them. And I want the toughest debate moderator you can get, and Kyle Clark has that ability, but we normally only see.
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Speaker 2: It employed against Republicans.
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Speaker 1: But and now where it's really starting to get interesting is not many people have been too concerned when when he was just doing that to Republicans. But now he's I believe, and I think others do, or he would not have spoken out on it, disadvantaging other Democrats in favor of their fellow Democrats. So we've been breaking that down because in particular the US Senate primary that John Hickenlooper just won by like five and a half points, and he had this young, artic Latino state Senator Julie Gonzalez running against him, and she had formerly been a Democrats socialist, and so the whole wave in the country, right, the whole wave in the country and the Democratic Party is these young socialists knocking off, you know, these old dinosaur establishment Democrats.
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Speaker 2: And you could see that emerging in Colorado.
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Speaker 1: She had closed within eight in late May and had all this energy and everything else, but Kusa did not set up a debate between she and Nickliper. My personal opinion is that it was to protect the Democratic Party because I think the only way I think they think, the only way they could lose that seat is if they nominated a former Democrats socialist, and I think they're right. I think they're right that that seat would have been in real jeopardy, a US Senate seat if she had won. And my belief is, again it's just opinion, but my belief is that Kusa had to know that if they put her on the same stage with John Hickenlooper, there was a very good chance she was going to win that primary three l three seven one three eight two five five, And she says she asked, She says, she said she she reached out to Kyle Clark via Facebook and said, hey, Hickenlooper has agreed to a debate, let's do it now.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe Hickenlooper I would have followed.
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Speaker 1: Through on that, but she deserved to at least have that debate set up and then if Hickenlooper chose to dodge it, to be called out on it.
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Speaker 2: But that's that's the bigger problem we have here.
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Speaker 1: Is I think we've reached the point where the political debates that are most watched, I personally think are manipulated to protect the Democrats, and I don't have any beef.
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Speaker 2: I don't have any beef.
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Speaker 1: At all with the grilling that Kyle Clark gave the GOP candidates in that debate. I say, grill everybody as hard as you can. The voters deserve it, but you got to do it to both sides. My goodness, that backrum that he gave to Wiser and Bennett, that's probably legal in twenty five states. You know, how do you go through a whole debate with Wiser and Bennett and not even ask him about all these big fails by Democrats in Colorado, Rhods, crime, boys and girls, sports, which is on the ballot, fentanyl extent. You're asking about stuff. If I remember, I like, you know, some landlord ballot measure. I mean, it really was just such an obvious kind of protection set up for those damns. So we've been talking about that and much more ahead on the show today. So I do want to get back to some of those Texters, Dan who cares if Julia is Latina? I think the people who decided not to let her debate Hick and Looper. I think kus It decided to try to host a Gonzalez taking Looper debate. Cared because here's the point. I don't think for a second, not one microsecond, that KUSA was trying to defeat her because she's Latina.
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Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: I think, if my theory is correct, they were trying to defeat her because there was a chance the Republican would beat her. That's what I believe was going on. No, but why do they care She's Latina? Tremendous tremendous advantage in this cycle. Clearly within the Democratic Party there is an understandable hunger, you know, for this young, articulate, dynamic talent of color. It's clear within the Democratic Party it's a political consideration. Look at malt Kiros. Yeah, they could see. I've got to believe they saw that dynamic. All right, what else do we have here? Sh d Cony Barrett always impressed me as too scared to hold office. I understand, but it goes with the territory to withstand threats. I think that is fundamentally wrong and unfair to Justice Barrett. I'll get back to that when we get to that topic in the next segment. I played earlier the sound of her on the Hill today is you know, so rare to have US Supreme Court justices testify on the Hill. They were up on budget issues, but of course it also is it should turn to security matters with the left now trying to intimidate and in some cases kill conservative justices so that the left can win on these issues before the Supreme Court. That's how serious it's gotten, led by Chuck Schumer, who stood on the steps of the Supreme Court, and we play that sound often threatening justices by name.
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Speaker 2: You won't know what hits.
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Speaker 1: You if you vote the quote wrong way on this Dan, Over three hundred thousand people did not vote for Victor in the gop GO primary. Phil received over five hundred thousand votes, since Victor and his team were happy to block other people who disagreed with me as a long way to go to not lose by a lot. That from Alexa. You know, it's so interesting in this general. I mean, as you know, I think the final vote totals were. I think they're in now. Victor two hundred and eight thousand, three hundred and forty five Barb two hundred and five, nine thirty one Scott one oh eight four forty four. Bad news for Kelvin Wimberly, who got none. So I don't know why he appears.
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Speaker 2: In the totals.
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Speaker 1: But but yeah, so when you're looking at the general, if we look at history, you know, if you go back to like that Polis Heidi race, the GOP nominee is probably going to have to get about a million, two hundred thousand votes to have a chance to win. So yeah, it got to expand that support a lot.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And let's say that Victor gets all the votes that went to Barb and Scott. You know, that would get you up to about five hundred and twenty five thousand votes. So yeah, really have to grow that tent in the general. And one of the things that's going to be very interesting to watch is is what Victor and his camp are going to do that To do that, they were brilliant in the primary. They scoped out that very few people would be voting in the GOP primary. They stayed focused on their core supporters and that was enough to get them over the finish line. Obviously, they're going to have to reach out and be very broad in the general. And here's here's kind of the starting point question for you. Are they going to do that? I mean, not successfully? Are they going to try? That's the starting point question, and this will be fascinating to watch. Are they even going to try to do that? I sure hope so, I sure hope so. But that's an answered question because I'm no political strategist, but just kind of one on one stuff. What I don't get is, you know Victor, he looks good, he's friendly, he's an accomplished public speaker, and he just won the primary that got a lot of attention and national attention. Why didn't he immediately go out and get on every TV and radio station that would have him, which.
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Speaker 2: Would have been every I don't get that.
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Speaker 1: I understand the Democrats have more money, but that's where you got to win, Gorilla. You got to go get all the free media you can. And there was a lead time here, right because it was pretty clear Victor was going to win, But then it took another three, four or five days to count those final cure votes, so there was all sorts of time to ramp up and get all these interviews set up. Never happened as far as I'm concerned, So that doesn't answer any questions for me, But it raises a question does the campaign intend to campaign statewide? Does the campaign intend to campaign the way we traditionally see campaigns try to go out after as many votes as they can get statewide.
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Speaker 2: Because if you were going to do that, wouldn't you have.
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Speaker 1: Taken full advantage of that very impressive attention getting win.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's going to be very.
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Speaker 1: Interesting to see where the campaign chooses to go with that. Hey, when we come back a lot we need to do well, we'll follow up on what we've been talking about, and then we'll play Kyle Clark. He decided to go public on this, which tells me he must be getting a lot of blowback from those on the left to who I think would have a right to feel cheated by KUSA not offering a host of debate between Gonzales and Hick and Looper, because I think they have every right to think that Gonzales would have cleaned his clock and.
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Speaker 2: Won the race.
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Speaker 1: But what we'll play his explanation and then you can decide for yourself whether that all makes sense to you. But I do want to also get to that sound of justice Barrett on the hill. I want to get to President Trump teasing a national address, national address on Thursday night regarding election fraud. What do you think he's going to reveal all of that ahead on the Dan Capler Show.
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Speaker 3: Now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
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Speaker 4: It is it's really really big those and our country has to shape up. This is what we're going to be talking about Thursday. Is it doesn't get bigger because without free and fair elections, you don't have a country. We'll be discussing other things too, but it's going to be a very big announcement.
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Speaker 1: Wow, what do you think that's going to be President touting the Thursday night on national address pertaining to election security.
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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, there will be some other things on the docket. But what do you think that is? Zach and he guesses what the big reveal is.
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Speaker 5: I'm thinking it's probably about the Georgia stuff. That's what I've seen rumored, and it seems like those are close elections. Seems like something Trump would want to comment on. That's my bet right now.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a good bet. I think that's good. But well, we'll be all over it, you know, we'll be talking about it. Let's go to beautiful Elizabeth Colorado. We'll talk to Rod.
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Speaker 2: You're on the Dame Kapitalis Show. How you doing Rode good? Dan much So I'm living the dream, my friend.
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Speaker 6: Hey, Victor needs to paint oh, I'm sorry wiser as a Democratic Socialist Party guy. Okay, And then he needs to come out to Bennett publicly and say, hey, can I get your endorsement? Now, I know Bennett will be laughing on the floor on that one, but he's got to peel off Bennett voters over to his side. And as far as the rep Republican Party, I mean, Bottom's Bard needs to endorse him. I'm not sure what Lopez even got in for. I think he would have been better running for I don't even know who Republicans sent a party candidate is, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Mark basically great guys solid, Yeah, well.
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Speaker 6: I just no name recognition. I've never read it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think he would have benefited from a contested primary, you know, I think he would have benefited from that. But but there's there's still time. He is very solid and I think will bring a lot to the table. But getting back to your point, I agree with with with what you're saying for Victor, and I think the key for Victor, and the big unanswered question right now is whether we're going to see an all out statewide effort to try to win that That is the big unanswered question at this point. I sure hope the answer is yes and that we see that start soon, because Hey, for any Republican, it's an uphill battle, right Rod. You could take the greatest Republicans we've had in Colorado history, and we've had some giants, and you put him into this cycle under these circumstances, they're going to have a time winning that race. So they've got to be starting right now after winning the primary, taking advantage of the win, taking advantage of that energy, be hitting the pavement hard all over the state, statewide campaign every TV station they'll take you, every radio station.
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Speaker 2: That'll take you. That's that's if a GOP candidate.
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Speaker 1: I don't care who she or he is, if they want to win statewide in these circumstances, that's what they got to be doing right now.
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but I think any debate Victor does, I know we talked about it yesterday, that you know, not answering questions. I don't have a problem with him not answering questions. I think he needs to tell the people what he's going to do. But I think he can relate every answer to California to New York and really really zone in on how bad those states are doing. Compare him to Colorada and how bad this state is doing, and open the eyes to the people that are a little more in the middle and pull them Benet people over the boat for him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I appreciate the call, my friend.
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Speaker 1: I sure hope we see a massive statewide effort, a massive statewide.
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Speaker 2: Effort, and I think we'll know.
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Speaker 1: I think we'll know pretty soon what the campaign's intent there is, whether it intends to try to compete for the governor's office, because the reality is, I mean, we all know the numbers, right, I mean that the GOP candidate's probably going to need about a million to fifty to have a shot to win if you just base that on the last time around, and that may not get it done. And Victor had two to eight, and to his credit, he got thirty five hundred more than Barb and you know he deserves credit for that win. But that is a very very small fraction of what it will take to win statewide. It's a relatively small fraction of what it will take to be credible and competitive. So I do hope we see a strategy emerged soon for an aggressive state wide race. And I'm sorry that we've had this missed opportunity of taking advantage of the tailwinds of the impressive victory.
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Speaker 2: Don't you think, Zach that.
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Speaker 1: I'm just really surprised because I would think any candidate coming off an impressive victory like that and then you had three, four, five days notice you're going to win, it would be on every TV show, every radio station that would have you, and just be trying to use that free media not only to reach all the people, but reach all the people with that winner's glow. You've just won the primary. You're an outsider, you've just won the primary. You got that glow. Just go get in front of everybody for free.
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Speaker 7: Why not?
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Speaker 2: What's the downside?
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Speaker 5: I think when you have someone you know with a big media presence, like a Kyle Clark, going hey, I think this guy might be a fraud, and then you never really address those claims and then turtle up the campaign kind of turtled up and just try to hide.
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Speaker 3: Him as much as they could.
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Speaker 2: To me, it reads like you have something to hide.
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Speaker 5: Most in most cases, I think when the candidate has a good case to set the record straight or to point out, oh, this was unfair, media bias, whatever, they typically snipe back pretty quick.
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Speaker 3: They don't.
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Speaker 5: This is the typical to me of someone who doesn't have a strong claim, who doesn't have a strong defense.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: The strategy obviously worked in the primary right, and they knew the numbers, and they worked it right now. It's not going to work in a general and I happen to be in your camp their Zach. I really do think that with the seriousness of the allegations, combined with the fair questions that have been raised, because you know, anybody can make serious allegations that just have no support whatsoever and then you ignore, I think there are serious allegations that have some real support. The very fair questions have been rased, which doesn't mean Victor is guilty of what he's accused of, which is essentially fraud. Doesn't mean he's guilty of it, but these are fair questions, and I personally believe that if he doesn't come out and address those directly, I do think at that point the campaign has no chance, and I'd love to be able to support him.
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Speaker 2: I hope he does address those.
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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
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Speaker 8: Essinal disease that is making life miserable for those who contract it. And while the US has seen outbreaks of cyclosporiasis in the past.
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Speaker 2: To some four thousand reported cases.
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Speaker 1: This cyclosporiasis even sounds bad. But yeah, Colorado has some of those two I hope we're not talking about that more in the future. We will be if the numbers continue to grow three three seven, one, three eight two five five five seven, seven, three nine.
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Speaker 2: Apparently one of the causes is it can be borne in fruit and on fruit and things like that. So you can see, Zach. I'm sitting here eating my daily apple and peanut butter, so it hasn't scared me off. But all right, let's go to the phone line. So let's start with Mike here on the Dan Caplis.
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Speaker 7: You're welcome.
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Speaker 8: Hey, Dan, I's talk to you again.
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Speaker 6: You.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was a figure this echo chamber along with everybody else, and you guys are talking about how he needs the campaign more and do all this stuff.
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Speaker 8: If you just go back and.
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Speaker 9: Count how many times his name was mentioned on your station amongst all the other candidates. Barb, he never came in except with Ryan, But you guys mentioned his name every day. And what my point is is, if you found his name, whether it's good or bad, you and I are informed about voting. But everybody else that's out there that's just hearing the name, when they see it on a ballot, they're gonna mark his name.
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Speaker 8: That's just the way.
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Speaker 9: It's crazy, it works that way. But look at Madami. They just pounded his name. Look at Trump when he won the first time, everyone his name because of the bold things he was saying. You know that people like hunt, you know, and then they just mentioned his name Trump tum tum tump, you know, Madam. The more that's that's its name out there, Mike, it's a favor.
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Speaker 1: That's a real important point is I think the name or recognition really does matter, and I think that Victor Mark stands to in some ways really benefit from that in this campaign if they mount a full throated statewide campaign. And that's my starting point question are they going to do that? And the reason it's even a question in my mind, because you think, of course they are. But it's a question in my mind because we didn't see that right after they won the primary. Why weren't they everywhere, every radio show, every TV station with that winner's glow taking advantage of it. That's what raises the question in my mind whether they're even going to campaignfully statewide or just kind of keep it, you know, to the inner circle that won them the primary. And and so you're right about name I D.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing that.
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Speaker 1: Could work for Victor, you know, in the general is, you know, you've got all this national attention. A lot of it is late night comics stuff, but you've got all this national attention, and on social media, there's all sorts of stuff flying around the particularly younger voters see, you know, of the clips of Victor, you know, and I'm paraphrasing saying, he I can't remember did he say Zach He doesn't know or wouldn't say how many people he's killed outside the.
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Speaker 2: Military, whatever it is, but wouldn't say.
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Speaker 1: But that clip circulating, and you know, I could see a bunch of kids just voting for him because it kind of poked.
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Speaker 2: The establishment in the in the eye. That kind of thing. Who knows. All I'm saying is.
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Speaker 1: Any Republicans can have a real hard time in this cycle for governor. But to have any chance, you got to be campaigning from day one hard statewide.
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Speaker 2: And we'll find out together if they're going to do that. Paul in Denver, you're on the Dan kaplis so welcome. Dan.
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Speaker 7: He's going to be lucky if he gets three hundred thousand votes in the state wide election. Marx is not very smart. He or he would have done what you said. I just I've heard him on the show. I've heard one with Ryan when he was on Brian the time. The guys is not very smart. You can see out campaigning and everything in the state he does. He doesn't campaign the state. He goes to Florida and collects money. The guy's not a serious candidate. But wait, wait a second, brother, Wait serious candidate.
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Speaker 1: Wait a second, Paul. The fact that he won the primary disproves your point. You cannot win the gofp Prepp. There were eighteen candidates. You can't win the GOP primary, you know, without being smart the primary.
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Speaker 2: What's it?
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Speaker 7: If he was, if he's a serious candidate, he would have gone to all those debates gainst everyone else. They bought him to Kirkmeyer and Michel did he didn't, he didn't want to go to him.
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Speaker 2: He won money. Paul, wait a second candidate. No, no, no, hold on, I'm starting with your smart thing.
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Speaker 1: Listen, man, you're cool and you're quick, and I'd love to have a conversation with you, but you've got to let me participate or else.
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Speaker 2: Say what you want to say.
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Speaker 1: We'll enjoy it and then i'll comment. You tell me which way you want to do if you want to do the back and forth. Let's start with smart, because all I'm saying is, yeah, all those people you mentioned are very smart, but he won. So all I'm saying is the fact that they ran a very smart campaign aimed at a very at their core, and they won.
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Speaker 2: That was a smart strategy.
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Speaker 1: So you can maybe say a lot of things about him, but I think it's wrong to say he's not smart. Now, your next point was he's not a serious candidate. I think we will find out together very soon whether he is a serious candidate for governor in this sense, whether he's he's going to make an effort to win the office, or whether winning.
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Speaker 2: The primary was it, And now he's going to run a very.
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Speaker 1: Close to the vast kind of isolated campaign aimed at maybe growing his core supporters a bit, and that's going to be that.
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Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out together.
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Speaker 7: Okay, I think he is handlers are smart. I don't think he's all that smart. I think the people that put him up to this are smart.
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Speaker 2: Do I think he's smart?
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Speaker 7: No, I think he's medium intelligence at best. I think he's a good at spion in his con I think he's good at that. Why do I think he's intelligence of the others, No, I don't. I think Bottoms or kirk Meyer or Michael could talk rings around. That's why he wouldn't go in debate to them, because they knew they'd make him look foolish.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right in a traditional sense, and that's not a reflection on his intelligence. I don't agree with you on that. In terms of the ability to stand on a debate stage and debate the issues, et cetera. I think you're right, and I think that's why he stayed away from those formats because the others were going to clobber them. But doesn't that just come back to being smart. As Clint Eastwood said, right, a man's got to know his limitations.
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Speaker 7: Do you also need to know you're right? You need to know your limitations. But if you're not very smart, you need to realize that too. I think he knew he wasn't smart enough as them, and that's why he did his limitations as he did well. He knew he couldn't stand up them intellect Joy.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a difference between being smart and being well informed on particular subjects. I think that he recognized that he wasn't then.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he is now well informed on.
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Speaker 1: These different public policy issues and he didn't want to engage in that.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 7: I think you're right there is a difference, but I don't think he meets either one. Well, you know, if don't.
00:25:49
Speaker 2: Think he's go ahead, No, no, please, I'm sorry, I just no.
00:25:54
Speaker 7: I just don't think he's going to meet I don't think he meets the late level. I think he is going to that bad as Danny's, if not worse. You said about these people poking people, And I don't know how many of people on the other who voted again didn't vote for him in the Republican fronment they are going to count on the Republicans were way too by not even Republican anymore. Because of this, I stepped out of the party. But I'm way too practical fractured. This party is oh yeah, way too that's what it is now. And Dan, do you have your beliefs And I understand your fundamental man of what you believe, but I think as long as the beliefs so you hold are going to be we're going to pull people up to that, we're never going to win in this do you mean life conversation before?
00:26:36
Speaker 2: Do you mean pro life?
00:26:37
Speaker 7: That's why I think. I think, yeah, if I don't think that if we hold candidates that standard, we're going to win in this case.
00:26:45
Speaker 2: What about Joe Day?
00:26:48
Speaker 1: Joe Day was a week wonderful candidate in every way except as pro choice beliefs.
00:26:54
Speaker 7: But a lot of people wouldn't back them because of that. Right one of them. You said you wouldn't even endorse him, right when he would have been a great candidate. We'll we have half party each way that's out on this.
00:27:06
Speaker 6: No.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: No, And that's where Paul I respectfully say your math is wrong because you haven't and the history has proven it. There are a whole lot of people, starting with the Republican Party, who are not pro life, who will vote for pro life candidates. There are very few pro lifers who will vote for a pro abortion candidate because.
00:27:26
Speaker 2: We view that as voting to kill babies.
00:27:31
Speaker 7: I understand also are condating the state democratic rule by doing that. Oh but I understand if you want to have someone who can stand up other ways and can and win, fine, but we haven't had that. We have these people who are so strict that way that people on the side won't vote him. Soolid, I think you're wrong. I don't think there aren't many pro choice people who will vote for a pro life candidate. I think you're more well. I just don't agree, okay.
00:27:59
Speaker 1: Paul, And I appreciate that, And I know many people agree with you. But here where is where I think they're provably wrong, And I hope you do call off. And and that is we tried it with Joe O.
00:28:10
Speaker 7: Day.
00:28:11
Speaker 1: And Joe Day was an awesome candidate in every way other than his pro abortion positions, and he got clobberd in the general. So that proves that that for the GOP to win It's not a matter of abandoning what's right to try to get more votes.
00:28:28
Speaker 2: What's the point that's not even winning anyway?
00:28:30
Speaker 1: Right, if all of a sudden to get the office, we are going to support wicked things, what's the point. But anyway, that was the best possible test. Joe Day not only failed to win, he got clobbered. So we have our answer on that. On the other hand, we have lots of examples around the country of pro life candidates winning in swing states. You know, Colorado's a tougher nut to crack, but that just means we need our candidates to be extremely sharp and talented and very very well prepared to take on this issue. I mean, look at Georgia, ultimate swing state. Georgia has one of the most protective abortion laws in the country. Others would say conservative abortion laws. And Brian Kemp, who supports one of the most conservative abortion laws in the country, won the ultimate swing state by eight points, your runner.
00:29:25
Speaker 2: I rest my.
00:29:25
Speaker 3: Case, and now back to The Dan Kaplis Show Podcast.
00:29:35
Speaker 2: Five fifty two. On this pretty afternoon, line's on fire.
00:29:38
Speaker 1: Let's go straight back there. Thomas in beautiful Pueblo listening on the Great KCSJ. You're on the Dan Capitlis Show.
00:29:45
Speaker 2: Welcome.
00:29:47
Speaker 8: How are we doing, mister capitol.
00:29:48
Speaker 2: We are living to dream.
00:29:49
Speaker 8: My friend, well, I wish you could have got me on there with that last college. Yeah, whoa, he got me stirred up.
00:29:57
Speaker 2: He should have.
00:29:59
Speaker 8: So here's here's one thing that everybody needs to know. And I don't care if you're Democrat, Independent, or Republican. People that's been in the stink don't like to talk about the stink. And I'm being where you don't get censored. Veterans that do things don't talk about it. So for him to not want to go debate with kirk Meyer or Weisner or Poeless or anybody else that has never served is perfectly validated because people don't talk about stuff like that that has actually went and done it. And that needs to be to all Democrats, independence and Republicans that don't count the guy out. Don't think that he's being truthful, but don't count him out on what he's done and what he can do because he don't want to talk.
00:31:04
Speaker 1: About Thomas may may ask you a question on that that does and I understand why that analysis applies to our courageous and heroic veterans who have fought in combat. Does it apply here to Victor Marx when his accusers say he did not do the things he claims, and he's talking about actions outside of military service.
00:31:32
Speaker 8: Yes, because once you're in the military, you're always in the military. You get out of the military, and you stick with what they taught you in your ethics and the way that you do your everyday life, you stick with what they taught you.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: Now, Thomas, yes, go ahead, because as you know, my friend, we do see certain military heroes who then write books about it. You know, they go on speaking tours and things like that, and I think they're all very well motivated and have a right to tell the stories of heroism and their brothers and sisters in arms, et cetera.
00:32:15
Speaker 2: Are you critical of them?
00:32:17
Speaker 8: No, I'm not to each their own, just like I'm not critical to anybody that wants to be gay, or think they're a woman when they're a man, or think they're a man when they're a woman, or think they're a cat when they're a person. I'm not critical to any of it. But the simple fact of the matter is you cannot take what you think and put it towards what that man thinks and take it away from it.
00:32:48
Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges that Victor Hazard now Thomas, is that this is not a case where say, he had engaged in the heroism that he claims and then had just gone off to quiet life. He wrote a book called Dangerous Gentleman. His accusers say he's raised a lot of money off that the stories of his heroism. So do you think it's unfair now for people to say when he chooses to run for governor, hey, we.
00:33:18
Speaker 2: We need proof.
00:33:19
Speaker 1: We need to know whether what you're saying is true or not when you've made it the central part of your qualifications.
00:33:28
Speaker 8: No, sir, because we have a lot of presidents that write books. Obama's one, Bush is another. They all make their money. A president of the United States makes two hundred and fifty thousand. If I'm not mistaken to run the free world. It's not enough money. It's not enough money. But they're all millionaires by the time they meet the boy.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: That is all for sure?
00:33:54
Speaker 6: Is it?
00:33:54
Speaker 2: That is for sure?
00:33:56
Speaker 1: Except Biden can't. Biden can't get any speaking gigs. I wonder why, But hey, Tom's really enjoyed it.
00:34:02
Speaker 2: We've got it.
00:34:03
Speaker 1: We got to wrap up the show. But really appreciate you listening on CACSJ down there. I hope you call off. And to those we won't get to today, I apologize. But God and management willing will be back tomorrow. And uh, I'm telling you, Zach that this is just going to be so fascinating. I mean, just starting with you know, what kind of campaign is Victor going to run? Is he? Is he going to run statewide? You know, I got a text by the way that said, Hey, Victor is going to be on km US tomorrow. I got to tell you Victor goes on a morning show over there that I have tremendous respect for. I have great respect for the hosts. They do a tremendous job. They're very smart people of great integrity. And Victor is smart to go on that show, and God love him for it, and I hope he goes on a lot. But if you're running for governor and your strategy is you're going to go on one radio station, then at that point, what you're telling everybody is you're not running a statewide campaign. And I don't mean this because it's me, because I don't matter, but any Republican candidate for high office who's unwilling to come on this show.
00:35:14
Speaker 2: That's got to tell you something. Because I've been on air for decades, and it's a fair criticism.
00:35:22
Speaker 1: I mean that I am relentlessly nice to GOP candidates, probably too nice. I was relentlessly nice to Victor when he was with me, So whether it's Victor or somebody else, though, I think Victor is the only GOP candidate who won't come on the show now, So have a great evening.
