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Welcome back to Cuff's Basement. Back to school. Back to school.
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To prove to Ryan I'm not a fool. My shoes
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tied tight. Hope I don't get in a fight. We're
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continuing back to school month here on Cuff's Basement. And
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it's Tim, and I'm with riggity, riggity, riggity, riggity, Ryan.
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What's going on? Hey, everybody.
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Yeah, back to school. We started our first ever back
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to school month. It only took us like eight years
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or whatever with a bang-up breakfast club.
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We started senior year. Yeah.
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Exactly. Starting senior year, yeah. And now we're continuing with
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an absolutely incredible– well, we'll talk about the age range
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of these characters, but a very unknown, underappreciated high school
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movie from 1995, right?
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95? Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, it's 95, yeah.
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Called Angus. And this, this, yeah, I don't, I feel like,
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what is your impression of this movie in the sense of,
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do people know what this is? Like, I feel no.
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No, I don't think so.
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I don't feel like anybody knows what this movie is.
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It was a random high school movie that came out
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in the mid-90s. So there's a lot of them. There's
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a lot of really good ones. But I think this
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one stands out as different. And Angus, personally for me,
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and we'll talk more about it when we get into
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the movie itself. Personally for me, as far as what
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do I specifically identify with, do I think... Breakfast Club
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is the ultimate depiction of... Chucky just jumped on the table.
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No.
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No, go away.
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Go away.
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I'm pausing. I'm going to spray him with a water bottle.
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All right, we're continuing. I couldn't find the spray bottle,
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but I poked a hole with a nail in a
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water bottle and sprayed him away. Do I think, like... Okay,
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I love Breakfast Club, and it's a great representation of, like,
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those years. But do I think it is totally realistic,
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like it was high school to me? No. But for me, Angus...
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was high school. Not really. So like, especially cause a
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thing that's unusual about Angus, there's a few things that
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are unusual about Angus, but one is they, they're freshmen
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in high school.
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Yes. Yes.
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And I feel like every high school movie is like
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35 year olds that are portraying seniors, like 35 year
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old actors that are playing seniors in high school. You
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know what I mean? Um, like I can't hardly wait.
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Yeah. Sorry. What? they have so much like the freshmen,
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like this is about a freshman, but like everyone in
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this movie is a freshman, but they seem to have
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so much like power. Like there's no like seniors who
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are tougher than Rick kind of thing. You know what
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I mean?
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Well, I think an important thing is, um, that they,
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like the actors are young. Cause usually the James Van
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Der Beek was over 18 when this movie came out,
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but the actors in it are young. Like they seem young.
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They don't seem like, you know, in Can't Hardly Wait,
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don't get me wrong, I love Can't Hardly Wait, but
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they all seem like they're 25 to 30, which they are.
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But, you know, this movie is, well, what's your background
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with this movie? Did you see this at the time? Like,
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when did you be, when did you first see it?
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And like, are you a fan of this movie?
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Yeah, I first saw it. It used to be on
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Starz a lot. And we had Starz at home. So
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always love this movie. Always have. It's really kind of...
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It sucks that it just never really got... I think
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people who like it or people who've seen it love
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it and respect it. But it's never really gotten a...
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It's not like any streaming places that I know of.
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I don't think at least. It's probably available to rent,
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but like I don't see anything. But, yeah, always loved
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this movie.
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The director is nobody famous. The director is, what's his name,
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Patrick Reed Johnson, and he was more famous for being
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a writer. He wrote Dragonheart, was his big claim to fame,
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with Dennis Quaid and Sean Connery.
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And then, I don't know anything else he directed.
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Baby Stay Out?
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Oh, Baby's Day Out, yep, obviously.
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I've never seen Space Invaders.
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I've never seen that either, but nobody has. He directed
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episodes of the Dinosaurs TV show to date ourselves.
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When?
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And this was actually written by a female screenwriter, which
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isn't all that common. She wrote for My So-Called Life,
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The Wondering... Oh, she was a producer, actually. She was
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a producer on those.
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Writer.
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She wrote 25 things. Let's see what else she wrote.
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She wrote... She wrote some 90210. She did write some
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My So-Called Life. She did write some Wonder Years. She
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did write 30-something Doogie Howser. So she was a television
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writer for the most part. And this is based on
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a short story by... What's the author's name? Chris Crutcher.
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Who I'm not really familiar with.
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Yeah, nor am I.
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I know that one thing that was changed in the movie,
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which if you read any trivia, I'm sure you saw this,
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was in the short story and originally in the script,
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Angus's dad is gay. And I think his mom is
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gay too. And Hollywood in 1995 thought that would be
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too weird given that this movie is already kind of
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a little bit against the grain.
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Did you find it so bizarre? Like I was watching
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on YouTube like trailers for this movie and stuff and
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All they keep saying is from the producers of Cool
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Runnings because Cool Runnings was such a big hit. And
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the same people made this movie. You know, it has
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nothing to do with Cool Runnings. It's so strange.
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That was their one thing that they could latch on
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to to sell people in this movie, because like one
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of the problems of this movie, not problems, but the
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reasons it wasn't popular and didn't make money. is these
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guys that star in it are not, like, they're supposed
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to be high school losers, but in Hollywood terms, it's, like,
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Rachel Leigh Cook, who's smoking hot, wearing glasses, is a
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high school loser. Or, like, a fat kid is maybe
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Rachel Leigh Cook, if she had put on, like, 15 pounds,
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is a high school fat kid in movies. The main character, Angus,
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actually is... Very fat. And Troy actually does look like
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he would be a loser in school.
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So I was just like, this movie is starring Charlie Talbert,
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who essentially never did anything ever again of note. Like
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he never starred in anything. And of course not. He's
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like a fat guy with a speech impediment. And he
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starred in this movie. What other movie would he ever
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possibly star in where he wouldn't be the best friend
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or a muscle character or the fat party animal character?
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He would be the leading male role. Zero movies would
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exist for him to be in, right?
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Zero, especially at this time or even later into the 2000s.
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I think, if I'm not mistaken, he's in Van Wilder.
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for a very small part. And I remember just being
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like beyond when I saw Van Wilder being like, holy shit,
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it's Angus. Like he's in this movie. Yeah.
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Let me, you might be right.
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Uh, he's, he's in one scene. It's like not even
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a big scene. Yeah.
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Oh, he's in Joe dirt too. Um, he is in
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Van Wilder as stomach guy.
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Yes. They're doing, auditions for Van's assistant, and he just
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shakes his stomach. He's in it for three seconds, but
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I was like, that is Angus when I saw it.
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He also had a very, very small blink-and-you-miss-it role in
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the Watchmen television series.
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Oh, really?
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He played a.
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Cop in one scene. Yeah. I saw on YouTube he
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did an interview with somebody about the soundtrack to this movie.
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I didn't watch the interview. I just saw it when
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I was searching the Angus trailers and stuff on YouTube.
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That was from like two or three years ago.
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You better believe we're going to talk about the soundtrack
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of this movie.
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We absolutely do.
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So Charlie Talbert is Angus, the male lead. His best
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friend is Chris Owen, who you would recognize as the
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Shermanator in American Pie.
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Tons of movies. Tons of stuff. The Mist. Tons of stuff.
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lot of movies. And in American Pie, he's a ginger.
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He's awkward looking. But he's still.
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Tall.
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And when this movie came out, he was very young.
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So he's supposed to be... He's playing a high school
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freshman who... is one of the smallest kids in the
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grade and gets bullied a lot as a result of that.
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Yeah. And it's so interesting that he, based on how
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he looked, was able to work for years in movies.
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Yeah, this is probably the best acting performance he ever
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gave and the best opportunity to give a good acting performance.
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I love his performance. In this movie and his performance,
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I thought it was awesome.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We had
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paused because Cece's being really loud upstairs. And then Ryan
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started talking about the making of Dragonheart, which apparently he
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has seen. So I need this to be on the podcast.
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Tell me about the making of Dragonheart.
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All right. So we start with a view of crystal
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clear water. So... Dragon heart is, uh, people may know
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is the seat, the CGI dragon movie voiced by Sean Connery, uh,
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starring Dennis Quaid. Um, Patrick Reed Johnson is the writer
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of the movie. That movie was originally going to be
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made by the Jim Henson company. And the dragon was
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going to be like a fully like Muppet puppet dragon,
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like a, uh, animatronic. And he was going to direct it.
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I think it was made by Universal. They were like,
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we will make this movie, but he is not proven
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enough as a director for us to believe he can
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do this movie. So if you get another director, we
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will give you more money. And he got phased out
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of it pretty much. But he also has a history
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of visual effects and stuff as well.
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You're talking about the director of Angus.
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Yeah, Patrick Reed Johnson.
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Well, so other than Angus, his best friend Troy, the
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female lead, the beautiful Melissa Lefevre, the most popular girl
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in school, is portrayed by Ariana Richards, who famously was.
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I wrote great name. When they said her name, I
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was like, great name. What a name.
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What a great hot girl name, Melissa Lefevre. Ariana Richards
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plays Lex in Jurassic Park, most famously.
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Mm-hmm.
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She was also in Tremors.
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She's in the first Tremors?
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She is in Tremors 1 and Tremors 3. She plays Mindy.
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She kind of never really did anything after Jurassic Park
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was 93, Angus was 95. Lost World, right?
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What? Aren't her and Tim in the beginning of Lost World?
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She never really did anything of note after Jurassic Park.
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school quarterback, handsome guy, dickhead is the one and only R.I.P.
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James Van Der Beek.
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Question for you. I know we did this a long
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time ago. I always had a problem with Varsity Blues
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because of this movie. Because it's about Mox struggling through
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life and you're supposed to be on his side. And
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I was like, fuck you, Rick. That's all I ever
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saw it as in my head.
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Aren't the uniforms the same colors too?
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That dark blue, right?
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It's more of like a royal blue.
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Yeah. Yes, they are.
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I don't want your laugh.
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After he was humiliated he goes off somewhere else and
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there's a whole new way actually it could work he's
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only a freshman in this movie.
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It could work he could be Mox he could be.
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I always wanted to know what happened after the Rick
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Santra that's the people who made Varsity Blues that was
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what their interest was.
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The only other two people I think are worth mentioning
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is Angus's mother is Kathy Bates her character's name.
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Is probably the most famous person in this movie at
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the time yep At the.
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Time, honestly, I think that the most famous person in
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this movie at the time was George C. Scott, who played.
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She had won an Oscar five years before.
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Oh, she had?
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Well, he won an Oscar how many years before?
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George C. Scott?
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Yeah, he won an Oscar. Didn't he win Best Actor?
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Didn't he famously turn it down? He was one of
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the people who refused it, right?
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Oh, really? Is that true?
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I'm looking this up. I think so.
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So George C. Scott, who most famously played Patton, he's
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been around forever. He's been an actor. He was born
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in 27, died in 99. He plays Kathy Bates' father,
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Angus' grandfather. I got a look at his... He won
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Best Actor for Patton in Patton. But I don't know
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if he turned it down. Oh, earlier at the 8th
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Academy Awards– wait a minute. I'm seeing this somewhere. Hold on.
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I'm going to find this at the reference here. I'm
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going to pause it so we can verify what Ryan said. Okay,
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Ryan found it. Ryan, go ahead.
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Yeah, so he won for Patton, as you said. The
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producer of the movie accepted on his behalf. He had
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been nominated for Best Supporting Actor before and also declined
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that nomination. They continue to nominate him after he famously
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is one of his very few quotes about it was
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he discussed the ceremony as a two hour meat parade,
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which is a great way to put it. And he's
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been at he every time he is nominated, he asked
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them to please remove him from future consideration.
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That's amazing. Good for him. Good for him. And so
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he basically is playing grandpa in this movie. He that's
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him in real life. He's playing himself.
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I want to do a quick, another cast and crew
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shout out here. The cinematographer of this movie is Alexander Grzynski, uh,
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who shot a recent cuffs basement classic known as stone cold. Oh,
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so he went right off that set and ran to Angus.
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I had to point out, um, So do you know,
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we'll get to it later, but the actor who plays
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the chess player?
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The second I saw him, I said, I think I
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know who this is. Then I waited and I was like,
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that's him.
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There's a random man we'll talk about later who has
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a small role in this movie, but somewhat significant. And
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it's the director of RoboCop 2 plays that man.
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He's also the director of The Empire Strikes Back.
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Oh, yeah, there's that too. I thought you were going
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to say On Deadly Ground with Steven Seagal.
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That one too. Also, I cannot believe they didn't let
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him talk because he has a very famous voice. Okay.
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Well, should we just get into it?
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Let's do it.
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We'll explain as we go why this movie. I mean,
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this movie is special to me partially for nostalgia purposes
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in the sense that I saw this when I was
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this age. And really the reason that I got into
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this movie originally was with Ben. and it was because
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of Green Day. Because Ben and I were really huge
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Green Day fans, and I guess Green Day's producer, record producer,
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produced this movie. Really? And as a result, I don't
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remember the guy's name, but as a result, they were
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allowed to use, not only is Green Day in the soundtrack,
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but in the movie, they talk about Green Day. They
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talk about going to a Green Day concert, and how
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they like Green Day. And they had released... There was
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like a B-side that didn't make an album. I think
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it might have been Dookie. And the B-side that didn't
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make the album was called J.A.R. And I don't know
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how it didn't make an album because it's like maybe
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the best Green Day song ever. But they put it
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on the Angus soundtrack and it's featured in the movie
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multiple times. And Ben and I loved that song. So
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I literally like, because you couldn't really get the song
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anywhere because it wasn't on an album except for the
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Angus soundtrack. So I remember like renting Angus listening to
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the end credits holding a tape recorder up to the
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tv to record jr so i would.
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Have man i remember doing that to the radio so
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many times and you can hear people in the background
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and stuff oh my god um yeah This must have,
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that song had to have done well after because when
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they released, I think in like the early 2000s, was
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it International Super Hits was their greatest album name?
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Yes, yeah.
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J.A.R. is on it.
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Yes.
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So it must have done well, yeah.
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They had a couple B-sides that were huge that they
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would play at concerts, like Maria, I think is the
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name of the song, Maria, Maria, like Green Day always
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played that at concerts, but it wasn't on an album,
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it was on International Super Hits, but Anyways, I mean,
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we'll talk about it, but this whole album is just
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nothing but bangers. The movie starts where it's narrated by
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the main character, Angus, who's a freshman in high school.
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And I will read parts of the narration. It kind
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of sets the tone. My mother named me after my father, Angus,
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a cow's name, which didn't help matters much because I
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was a big kid. My mother was in labor with
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me for two days, but my dad's the one who
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died in childbirth. He died of a heart attack waiting
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for her to deliver. But this wasn't really my problem.
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In fact, I thought my family life was relatively normal
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until I started getting expert feedback in kindergarten. And it
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shows Angus as a kindergartner at a birthday party. And
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somebody says, Angus Bethune is a fat kid. He's so
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hungry he eats his boogers. And he says, this was
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my problem. Rick Sanford. Rick Sanford is a kid in
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his class who was later played by James Van Der Beek.
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But at this point, they're in kindergarten. And Rick says, hey, Angus,
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want to play pin the tail on the donkey? You're
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the donkey. And Angus's reaction, God bless him, is he
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punches Rick right in the face. And what does someone
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in the background yell when he punches Rick in the face?
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He broke his nose.
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He broke his nose, Angus. I met my friend Troy Wedberg,
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my best friend Troy Wedberg, the day he charged five
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cents to see... And what is Troy charging five cents
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to see in the boys' bathroom?
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His cousin's pubic hair.
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My cousin's pubic hair. Rick Sanford comes out and says,
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you're a liar. And he rips the pubic hair out
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of his hand. And I love this line. Angus immediately
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steps in between Troy and Rick and, trying to be intimidating, says,
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give him back his pubic hair, Rick. Angus continues, I
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fell in love with Melissa Lefevre the day she threw
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Alex Emmerglock across Tarlow's roller rink. And I like this line.
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I think it's very realistic how kids talk because in
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a badly written movie, it would be like, I fell
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in love with Melissa Lefevre when she threw someone across
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the roller rink. But that's not how kids talk about memories.
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Like you would say Alex Emmerglock and you wouldn't call
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it the roller rink. You would call it like You know,
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whatever the local roller rink was called. You know what
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I mean? You would call it Tarlows.
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High impact moment. Every detail. Yep. Yes. Yes.
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And she saw some kid who was being a dick,
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so she just tossed him across the roller rink. And
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ever since that moment, Angus was in love with her.
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He continues, Melissa was the kind of girl that made
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you ache because you know she was put on this
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earth out of your reach only to make you feel bad.
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As we got older, Rick Sanford got more and more popular,
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but the worst part is he got Melissa Lefevre. And
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Rick is the quarterback of the football team. He's dating
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Melissa Lefevre. And now it is present day. Angus and
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Troy are on the football team. Troy looks insane in
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his football uniform.
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I lost it. I was like, I forgot Troy plays football.
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I was like, this poor kid. Props to him, though,
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for doing it. My God.
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He's like five feet tall, 90 pounds soaking wet, and
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he's on the football team. He obviously doesn't play it down,
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and he looks ridiculous in his uniform. He has huge
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pads on.
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The pads are literally wearing him. I don't know how
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to describe it, yeah.
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And Angus says, Rick had everything. The looks, the talent,
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Melissa Lefevre, and I had Troy. Yeah. So this soundtrack
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I want to talk about right now. So this soundtrack
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was J.A.R. by Green Day.
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Ash.
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Do you know Ash? The band Ash?
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I don't. No.
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So people called them the Irish Green Day because they
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were similar to Green Day. They were very popular in Ireland.
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But they formed in Ireland. So they have a song,
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like their most famous song that I love from this
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movie is Kung Fu. Listen to Kung Fu by Ash
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on Spotify. It's an awesome pop-punk 90s song. Dancehall Crashers,
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The Riverdales, The Smoking Popes, Weezer. Weezer has a fantastic
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song in this movie. You Gave Your Love to Me Softly,
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which Weezer wrote for this movie. The Goo Goo Dolls,
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Ain't That Unusual, fantastic song. The Muffs, Tilt, Whiteholmes, um,
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pansy division, deep water and love, spit love. Am I wrong?
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All every song in this movie is, is amazing.
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It's a great soundtrack. It's also sadly like one of
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those soundtracks when you bought the CD, not all of
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the songs are on the CD. I remember that being
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a big thing and being like, cause I don't think
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the Weezer song is on the CD.
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Yeah. That was a huge bummer when it came to
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buying soundtracks because like, let's say that, um, you know,
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there's a really popular song. I'd say Broadway by Google
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dolls was in this song. And then maybe another Google
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doll song was, was, was in this movie. I mean,
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not in the song. When you go to buy the CD,
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like the studio paid for the rights to have it
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in the movie, but they, you also have to pay
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additionally to have the rights to sell it in the soundtrack.
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Yeah.
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So like a huge thing was, um, I think it
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was Royal Tenenbaums. There was a Rolling Stones, oh, Ruby Tuesday.
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Okay.
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The Rolling Stones song is in Royal Tenenbaums, right?
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Yep.
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And I bought the soundtrack. And I think they have
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She Smiles Sweetly by the Rolling Stones on the soundtrack,
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but they did not have Ruby Tuesday. Because that's like
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a really popular song and it would cost too much
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money to put it in the soundtrack. Because it already
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cost so much money to put it in the movie.
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Yeah. And a lot of bands also... like a lot
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of the bands also don't like want them on the
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cd sound or like the albums too they don't want
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them like released on soundtracks they just want them the
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movie only i've heard a lot of those kind of
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stories too um yeah.
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Yeah that and fair if that's what you want but
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that was a bummer when you'd be like oh my
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god i love this song in this movie i'm gonna
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go buy the cd and then it's not on there
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yeah yeah because you gotta remember back in the day
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like You don't even know what the name of that
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song necessarily is. You might not even know the band.
484
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:13.359
You just heard it in the movie and you have
485
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.980
no way of looking it up. So then you go
486
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:18.619
to the CD store, you go to Newbery Comics, you
487
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:21.509
buy the soundtrack to the movie and you look at
488
00:27:21.529 --> 00:27:23.789
the back tracks and you're like, I don't know these bands,
489
00:27:23.829 --> 00:27:25.470
I don't know these songs, but I got to assume
490
00:27:25.509 --> 00:27:27.309
the song I love is on there. Then you listen
491
00:27:27.329 --> 00:27:29.490
through the CD and you're like, what the fuck? It
492
00:27:29.529 --> 00:27:30.289
never appeared.
493
00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:34.200
I remember you used to watch the end credits of
494
00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:36.750
the movie to see the listing of the songs in
495
00:27:36.769 --> 00:27:41.690
the movie and then try to find a way, even pre-internet,
496
00:27:42.670 --> 00:27:44.089
to find out which song it was.
497
00:27:44.849 --> 00:27:47.769
Yeah, I remember this, Ryan. This is so sad. Because
498
00:27:47.809 --> 00:27:51.539
when you watch movie credits, which no one would ever
499
00:27:51.579 --> 00:27:55.059
do anymore for any reason, you wait until the very,
500
00:27:55.099 --> 00:27:59.259
very end because that's when they start listing the songs. Yoda.
501
00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:01.829
Now Yoda's down here too. You guys are killing me.
502
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.069
I would never spray Yoda because she would never forgive me.
503
00:28:04.109 --> 00:28:06.470
She's a delicate little flower. But you can't be on
504
00:28:06.490 --> 00:28:10.430
the table, sweet pea. You would wait until the very
505
00:28:10.549 --> 00:28:13.369
end of the credits because that's when they show all
506
00:28:13.390 --> 00:28:15.650
the songs. And you would have to just guess because
507
00:28:15.730 --> 00:28:19.319
I'm making this up. If you're watching Angus and there's
508
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.140
a song, you don't know the band, you don't know
509
00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.460
the name of the song, but you can remember that
510
00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:26.119
there's a line of like, we went to the park.
511
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.779
And then you would read the credits of the movie
512
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.240
and it would say like park song by a band
513
00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:33.339
you've never heard of. And you'd say, okay, I think
514
00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:36.420
it's probably that, but you weren't sure. This is all
515
00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:39.960
insane to describe that. Like we actually, our children will
516
00:28:39.980 --> 00:28:40.640
never have to do this.
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00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:44.519
There was a miracle point in time, a slight, a
518
00:28:44.619 --> 00:28:48.759
slight breakthrough when I don't know which chain did it.
519
00:28:50.089 --> 00:28:53.190
One of the chains had that machine that you could
520
00:28:53.390 --> 00:28:56.910
scan the CD and And it would give you 30-second
521
00:28:56.970 --> 00:28:59.750
samples of each song if it was in this.
522
00:29:00.390 --> 00:29:02.210
The Wall did it at the Natick Mall. Do you
523
00:29:02.230 --> 00:29:02.849
remember The Wall?
524
00:29:02.869 --> 00:29:03.470
The Wall.
525
00:29:03.589 --> 00:29:05.069
I do remember The Wall. Yeah.
526
00:29:05.089 --> 00:29:08.130
Because Newbery Comics was obviously the best CD store, but
527
00:29:08.150 --> 00:29:08.789
they didn't do that.
528
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.920
No, yeah. They didn't have anything of that type. But
529
00:29:12.819 --> 00:29:17.730
I think the Border Bookstore had it. And that was
530
00:29:17.809 --> 00:29:20.640
just a gift. It was just like, does this have it?
531
00:29:20.789 --> 00:29:23.000
Is it on here? Can I do it now? This
532
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:27.599
of course is just completely defeated instantly. But, um, that
533
00:29:27.619 --> 00:29:29.519
was just such a funny thing to think about. Cause
534
00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:33.849
it would be, I remember this empire record, same deal.
535
00:29:33.930 --> 00:29:36.130
Empire records, especially committed the crime of not all the
536
00:29:36.170 --> 00:29:37.450
songs being on the soundtrack.
537
00:29:41.890 --> 00:29:45.089
We should do an all-time great 90s soundtrack, and Empire
538
00:29:45.130 --> 00:29:48.210
Records would be on there. Sugar High, I remember loving that,
539
00:29:48.289 --> 00:29:55.769
and Renee Zellweger sings it in the movie. Fantastic. But, continuing.
540
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.400
Angus narrates while they're at a football game, so it's
541
00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:02.869
a football game, you know, Friday night. Growing up, you
542
00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:04.869
wait for the one moment that's truly yours, that makes
543
00:30:04.910 --> 00:30:07.009
you believe every once in a while the good guys
544
00:30:07.049 --> 00:30:09.250
can win, and I was still waiting for that moment.
545
00:30:10.609 --> 00:30:14.059
And I, that's a feeling I had growing up, like,
546
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.079
I feel like when you're a little kid, everybody's friends,
547
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.680
you're so hopeful, everything's pretty positive, and then when you
548
00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:22.299
get to middle school, things start to suck, and you're like,
549
00:30:22.339 --> 00:30:25.150
wait a minute, like, Good things happen to bad people,
550
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:27.940
and bad things happen to good people. What is going on?
551
00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:30.960
This isn't how movies and television told me life was
552
00:30:31.019 --> 00:30:34.119
not like this. So it could be a very disappointing time.
553
00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:38.619
Angus is enormous. Not only is he fat, but he's tall.
554
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.940
So he plays O-line, and he's very good. Now, the
555
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.390
irony of this is he has to protect Rick, James
556
00:30:45.410 --> 00:30:50.890
Van Der Beek, who he absolutely hates. And do you
557
00:30:50.910 --> 00:30:55.720
remember what Rick says when they're about to go run
558
00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:56.059
the play?
559
00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:58.319
No.
560
00:30:58.819 --> 00:31:02.380
He says, you better watch my ass. And Angus says,
561
00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:04.500
I'm watching it. And he says, I bet you are. Like,
562
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:05.539
basically calling him gay.
563
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.180
Yes. Yes, okay.
564
00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:12.309
And the way that this play transpires is just so perfect. So,
565
00:31:13.089 --> 00:31:19.450
Rick snaps the ball. Angus wrecks two D-linemen. And Angus says,
566
00:31:19.809 --> 00:31:23.690
I was impenetrable. I was a wall. And Rick has
567
00:31:23.779 --> 00:31:25.420
all the time in the world to throw the ball
568
00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:29.660
because of Angus. He throws a pick. So he completely
569
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.980
fucks up. Then Angus runs over and nails the cornerback,
570
00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:40.089
causing a fumble. So not only did he demolish two defenders,
571
00:31:40.130 --> 00:31:42.609
but he also caused a fumble with his tackle. Rick
572
00:31:42.829 --> 00:31:46.289
recovers the fumble, scores the winning touchdown, and is lifted
573
00:31:46.349 --> 00:31:52.680
on everyone's shoulders. While Angus is laying there completely concussed.
574
00:31:53.509 --> 00:31:55.369
Yeah. Yeah.
575
00:31:56.410 --> 00:32:01.500
Very, very fitting moment. Angus is really sweaty the rest
576
00:32:01.539 --> 00:32:05.019
of the movie, like not during football. He's just in school.
577
00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:07.220
He's just like a big fat kid who's constantly sweaty.
578
00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:11.509
I can definitely relate to that. I am and was
579
00:32:11.549 --> 00:32:13.490
a very sweaty person my entire life.
580
00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:17.970
His line, I don't sweat, I rain, is amazing. It's
581
00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:20.690
just amazing. It's amazing. Yep.
582
00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:23.869
It cuts to they're in science class, and Angus is
583
00:32:23.900 --> 00:32:27.170
very smart, so he's presenting this experiment he's working on.
584
00:32:27.910 --> 00:32:31.049
E from Entourage is in this movie as just like
585
00:32:31.150 --> 00:32:32.769
one of Rick's cronies.
586
00:32:34.130 --> 00:32:34.369
Okay.
587
00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:41.349
What is his name? The Redhead. The main character in Entourage.
588
00:32:42.170 --> 00:32:45.440
I didn't really watch besides what's his name, the guy
589
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.180
from Devil Wears Prada.
590
00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:52.480
He's oh Vince he's the oh Kevin Conley Kevin Conley
591
00:32:53.180 --> 00:32:57.349
he was uh in Unhappily Ever After I also think
592
00:32:57.369 --> 00:33:00.730
he might have been a member of Leonardo DiCaprio's Pussy
593
00:33:00.769 --> 00:33:03.829
Posse okay if you don't if you don't know what
594
00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:06.869
that is yeah what I'm sorry what he was in
595
00:33:06.910 --> 00:33:09.190
the notebook oh he was I don't remember him in
596
00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:09.970
the notebook.
597
00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:13.380
He is uh spoiler alert he is uh killed in
598
00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:18.180
World War II with uh Ryan Gosling.
599
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.589
Good squad good so if you don't know what I'm
600
00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:26.269
referring to with the PP Leonardo DiCaprio when he was
601
00:33:26.609 --> 00:33:29.809
a teenager in his 20s had a group of problematic
602
00:33:29.849 --> 00:33:34.289
bachelors that called themselves that in Hollywood and would try
603
00:33:34.329 --> 00:33:36.890
to sleep with as many women as possible it was
604
00:33:37.029 --> 00:33:39.930
Leo it was Tobey Maguire I think it was Kevin
605
00:33:39.950 --> 00:33:41.750
Conley there's a bunch of other.
606
00:33:41.609 --> 00:33:45.519
People too he directed the 2018 movie Gotti starring John
607
00:33:45.619 --> 00:33:46.529
Travolta as John.
608
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:50.890
Gotti Kevin Conley did Yeah. No, he did not.
609
00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:54.460
It says he directed the movie Gotti. Comey was hired
610
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.779
after a number of other directors, including Barry Levinson, were
611
00:33:57.819 --> 00:34:01.380
attached to the project during its lengthy development process. The
612
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.240
film was a critical and commercial disaster and is one
613
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.380
of the few films to hold an approval rating of
614
00:34:06.460 --> 00:34:08.210
zero on the website Rotten Tomatoes.
615
00:34:08.610 --> 00:34:11.349
Hey, random thought. Now that we're talking about Gotti and
616
00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:12.750
we saw The Odyssey this week.
617
00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:13.710
Yeah.
618
00:34:14.539 --> 00:34:17.800
I never really got Armand Asante. Like why was Armand
619
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.659
Asante a big thing for a while? Like he was
620
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.940
the lead in the nineties odyssey, which is a very
621
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:26.159
big deal. He was the lead in Gotti. He was
622
00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:29.769
the villain, main villain in judge dread with Sylvester Stallone.
623
00:34:30.389 --> 00:34:31.929
Why was he ever a thing?
624
00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:37.469
I don't, I don't know. I'm not sure whatever got
625
00:34:37.510 --> 00:34:41.190
him like his clout initially. Yeah.
626
00:34:41.389 --> 00:34:46.239
And like, He's fine playing generic mafioso Italian guy, but
627
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.579
he plays every character the same. He only has one mode,
628
00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:54.130
like John Wayne. And him playing Odysseus is patently insane.
629
00:34:54.289 --> 00:34:56.710
I haven't seen the 90s Odyssey, or at least if
630
00:34:56.789 --> 00:34:59.150
I have, I don't remember it. But yeah, I don't
631
00:34:59.170 --> 00:35:01.929
know why he was cast in that.
632
00:35:01.989 --> 00:35:03.869
I saw it in high school, yeah. We watched it
633
00:35:03.909 --> 00:35:05.130
actually in 9th grade, yeah.
634
00:35:05.969 --> 00:35:08.619
But I love in this moment in science class, the
635
00:35:08.659 --> 00:35:11.880
teacher has no respect for Angus. is barely paying attention
636
00:35:11.900 --> 00:35:16.059
to a science experiment. And when the bell rings, the teacher,
637
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.079
just really annoyed, goes, Angus, you were called to the
638
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.679
principal's office. And then turns to Rick and goes, hey, Rick,
639
00:35:21.699 --> 00:35:22.320
great touchdown.
640
00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:25.929
Well, I did like what's his name? Kevin Conley says,
641
00:35:25.949 --> 00:35:26.670
do you see my block?
642
00:35:27.650 --> 00:35:34.230
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So Angus goes to the principal's office.
643
00:35:34.289 --> 00:35:36.110
The principal sits down and tells him, do you remember
644
00:35:36.130 --> 00:35:36.550
what he says?
645
00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:41.389
He has some news. He got a letter from Jefferson
646
00:35:41.409 --> 00:35:45.159
that he's been accepted or has an interview and he
647
00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:49.159
has to do a science project for the interview in
648
00:35:49.219 --> 00:35:55.630
order to guarantee acceptance. And it's a. It's almost like
649
00:35:55.670 --> 00:35:57.769
a pre... He would leave high school. It wouldn't just
650
00:35:57.789 --> 00:35:59.969
be like he's accepted to college three years early. He'd
651
00:35:59.989 --> 00:36:00.369
be gone.
652
00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:03.659
Yeah. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't know.
653
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.780
Is it a junior college? Is that what.
654
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.239
You call that? It's a private school that specializes in
655
00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:13.659
science and only takes elite academic students.
656
00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:14.940
Oh, it's a real school.
657
00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:20.880
What is a magnet school? Because I don't know what
658
00:36:20.900 --> 00:36:27.780
this means. A magnet school... Magnet School, Magnate School, is
659
00:36:27.820 --> 00:36:29.969
a public school that has a specialized focus or program
660
00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:33.030
designed to attract students from a wider area. For example,
661
00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:35.550
there might be a school that specializes in the performing arts,
662
00:36:35.710 --> 00:36:40.949
one that specializes in science or law or international studies. Typically,
663
00:36:41.489 --> 00:36:44.289
unlike a typical public school, students have to apply to
664
00:36:44.329 --> 00:36:47.099
get in, even if they don't live in the immediate neighborhood.
665
00:36:48.219 --> 00:36:52.519
The reason... The name comes from the idea that it
666
00:36:52.619 --> 00:36:55.300
magnetizes students towards a particular program or theme.
667
00:36:56.179 --> 00:36:56.320
Oh.
668
00:36:57.940 --> 00:36:58.179
Okay.
669
00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:00.630
All right. I didn't know that. But that's what he's
670
00:37:00.690 --> 00:37:03.510
getting into. Jefferson is a science magnet school.
671
00:37:04.469 --> 00:37:06.170
Okay.
672
00:37:06.389 --> 00:37:09.469
All right. And he goes home. He tells his mom,
673
00:37:09.489 --> 00:37:12.239
Kathy Bates, who is excited. Kathy Bates loves him, is
674
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.000
a really good mom, thinks he's perfect.
675
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.280
Love the line that she's a truck driver and her
676
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.619
CB name is Bruiser. Yes. That was great.
677
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.199
Yes, yes. So his father passed away, as we talked about.
678
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.900
His mom is a truck driver. And his grandfather lives
679
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.099
with them. His grandfather is played by George C.
680
00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:31.460
Scott.
681
00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:35.110
And a frequent joke in this movie is that the
682
00:37:35.139 --> 00:37:40.170
grandfather always randomly falls asleep because he's old. And whenever
683
00:37:40.230 --> 00:37:42.949
he falls asleep, when Grandpa falls asleep, what does Angus do?
684
00:37:44.050 --> 00:37:48.050
He plays a song that is like that. I always
685
00:37:48.090 --> 00:37:50.679
think of the salute your shorts opening, but it's this
686
00:37:50.739 --> 00:37:53.179
famous horns thing. Yeah. Military horns thing.
687
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:53.699
Yeah.
688
00:37:53.860 --> 00:37:54.000
Yeah.
689
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:55.659
It's called Reveille is the name of the song.
690
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:56.360
Okay.
691
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.900
And grandpa wakes up and they're discussing that he's getting
692
00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:03.820
married to a woman named April, who is 30 years
693
00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:08.690
younger than him. So grandpa is 72 and April is 42.
694
00:38:08.690 --> 00:38:11.230
And Kathy Bates is very upset about this. Who gets
695
00:38:11.269 --> 00:38:15.110
married at 72? This is ridiculous. Um, they're, they're, they're
696
00:38:15.130 --> 00:38:17.050
eating dinner to the three of them. And then grandpa
697
00:38:17.070 --> 00:38:21.570
falls asleep. So she just gets, she gets up annoyed
698
00:38:21.610 --> 00:38:24.550
and walks away. And then Angus says, she's gone. And
699
00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:26.570
you find out that grandpa was pretending to fall asleep.
700
00:38:26.610 --> 00:38:28.449
Just so Kathy Bates would shut up and leave him alone.
701
00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:33.440
I love when she is complaining about the wedding to Angus.
702
00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:35.940
And he's like, why is she talking to me? Like
703
00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:37.440
I'm not in the room. And he's like, why is
704
00:38:37.460 --> 00:38:38.500
she talking to me? Like I'm an adult.
705
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.280
I think that, yeah, that's a really good point. Grandpa's
706
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.400
my favorite character in the movie.
707
00:38:44.530 --> 00:38:44.929
He's great.
708
00:38:45.389 --> 00:38:48.269
Pretty hands down. Grandpa's my favorite character in the movie.
709
00:38:49.369 --> 00:38:53.639
Back at school, Troy is listening to the radio while
710
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.199
he's hanging out with Angus. And he explains every time
711
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.920
they play Green Day on the radio, the first caller
712
00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:03.199
gets two tickets to the Green Day concert that's coming locally.
713
00:39:03.869 --> 00:39:06.510
So Troy, as a result, is listening to his headphones,
714
00:39:06.909 --> 00:39:09.050
listening to the radio all day in school to try
715
00:39:09.070 --> 00:39:10.409
to hear Green Day and win tickets.
716
00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:14.300
The calling the restaurant across the street from the school,
717
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:16.079
the lunchbox. Brilliant.
718
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.960
Brilliant. Did you have like an across the street school
719
00:39:20.019 --> 00:39:21.639
restaurant that kids hung out at?
720
00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:26.150
Like, don't we, we couldn't leave the school premises.
721
00:39:26.590 --> 00:39:28.989
Um, no, I know, but like after school or after.
722
00:39:28.829 --> 00:39:35.139
Sports, it was, called Vito's. It was a pizza place.
723
00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:38.679
When Megan went to Marion, it was Friendly's in downtown Framingham.
724
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:40.860
All the kids hung out at Friendly's all the time,
725
00:39:40.889 --> 00:39:43.989
which was like a perfect high school hangout spot. By
726
00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:46.449
the time I went there, Friendly's was not cool anymore.
727
00:39:46.510 --> 00:39:47.349
Nobody went to Friendly's.
728
00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:51.059
Well, it's always been– it's always cool. I don't care
729
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.840
where it is now. I think it's one of– Oh, no.
730
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.340
I just think that like the kids in my high
731
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.619
school class were just wrong. Because I feel like Megan–
732
00:39:59.769 --> 00:40:03.909
Megan loved high school. And granted, like Megan was a cheerleader.
733
00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:08.550
She was popular. From my understanding, attractive is what people
734
00:40:08.590 --> 00:40:13.949
told me. So Bridget and Megan being my older sister's– uh,
735
00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:16.530
who were five years older and seven years older. So
736
00:40:16.570 --> 00:40:19.809
like when I'm 14, they're 19 and 21. And they
737
00:40:19.849 --> 00:40:22.460
would like, sometimes not often, but they would sometimes pick
738
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:26.599
me up. Like people knew who they were. So dickheads
739
00:40:26.659 --> 00:40:29.199
at school would make comments about, Oh, your sisters are hot.
740
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:32.820
Your sisters are hot. And I just knew like, cause what,
741
00:40:32.900 --> 00:40:35.239
what does every guy do in that scenario? It's like, Oh,
742
00:40:35.409 --> 00:40:37.280
shut the fuck up. And like, get all mad about it.
743
00:40:37.710 --> 00:40:39.829
And like, what does that, what does that do? That
744
00:40:39.869 --> 00:40:42.429
just makes them want to tell you more. A thousand
745
00:40:42.449 --> 00:40:45.170
times worse. A thousand times worse. So I was smart
746
00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:47.849
enough to realize, like, I squashed it right away. It
747
00:40:47.909 --> 00:40:51.110
never bothered me, and I squashed it right away. Whenever
748
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:52.780
somebody would say something like that to me, which would
749
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.079
happen a few times a year, I would say, they
750
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.860
are so sexy. I would make a comment like that,
751
00:40:59.960 --> 00:41:03.719
and they would just like, what? You think your sisters
752
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:06.559
are sexy? And I go, have you seen them? I mean,
753
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:09.239
it's tough enough living with them. I mean, my God.
754
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:09.980
And they'd just be like, oh.
755
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.920
I like how you're talking about like they are crazy
756
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:14.719
for questioning it now.
757
00:41:15.019 --> 00:41:16.679
Then they would never bring it up to me ever again.
758
00:41:19.489 --> 00:41:21.650
But yeah, so like the kids in my class were
759
00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:24.610
just scumbags. Like they would before and after school, instead
760
00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:26.449
of like going to Friendly's to get a bite with
761
00:41:26.489 --> 00:41:28.929
some friends and hang out, they would like take pills
762
00:41:28.989 --> 00:41:32.050
or drink or smoke weed in somebody's car at somebody's house.
763
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.320
There was a corner on one of like, cause like
764
00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:37.480
the high school was literally in the middle of the neighborhood.
765
00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:39.929
So it was a corner that had like a brick wall.
766
00:41:39.949 --> 00:41:42.150
People would smoke at, you know what the funny thing is.
767
00:41:42.170 --> 00:41:44.989
I'm curious. Cause you guys obviously went to school near one.
768
00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:48.110
We were so close to the Arsenal and Watertown mall,
769
00:41:48.530 --> 00:41:50.809
but a lot of the kids did not like hang
770
00:41:50.869 --> 00:41:52.630
out in the mall. You know what I mean? It
771
00:41:52.650 --> 00:41:53.710
was kind of weird. Yeah.
772
00:41:54.730 --> 00:41:58.280
Yeah. I'll never forget that. My teacher, Mr. McGarry, shout
773
00:41:58.300 --> 00:41:58.579
out Mr.
774
00:41:58.619 --> 00:41:58.900
McGarry.
775
00:42:00.070 --> 00:42:02.309
I ran into him at church or something like years
776
00:42:02.389 --> 00:42:05.050
after I graduated. And I said, who is some of
777
00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:08.349
the worst classes you ever had? Especially like in my day.
778
00:42:08.389 --> 00:42:10.590
Out of the four years I was there. And he goes, oh,
779
00:42:10.610 --> 00:42:13.929
the worst class is definitely your class. And I said,
780
00:42:14.289 --> 00:42:17.489
what about Paul's class? Because Paul's class, they would always
781
00:42:17.550 --> 00:42:21.650
do pranks. And Mr. McGarry said, no, I'll tell you
782
00:42:21.670 --> 00:42:26.380
the difference between Paul's class, 03 and 04. 03 would
783
00:42:26.420 --> 00:42:29.789
like cause a prank. They would do something like put
784
00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:32.329
a thumbtack in a teacher's chair or some cliche thing
785
00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:36.179
like that. Your class was bad people. Like you had
786
00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:40.699
bad kids in your class. Instead of playing a prank
787
00:42:40.780 --> 00:42:44.079
on a teacher, they would like– Mr. McGarry didn't say this,
788
00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:46.420
but they're the type of kids that would probably date
789
00:42:46.460 --> 00:42:50.039
rape someone. That's the difference between Paul's class and my class,
790
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:51.940
and I'm not proud of that. They're all scumbags.
791
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.480
Wow. That was definitely the class ahead of us. I
792
00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:58.239
was 03. But the class ahead of us, the teachers
793
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.679
were beyond psyched that they were gone. They were like,
794
00:43:02.739 --> 00:43:05.800
thank God 2002 is gone. That's all they would say.
795
00:43:05.980 --> 00:43:06.780
They were like, thank God.
796
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:13.739
So Troy and Angus are in this assembly and Troy's explaining,
797
00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:15.969
if you go to Jefferson Nerd High, you might as
798
00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:17.929
well be a monk because you won't get any babes.
799
00:43:18.929 --> 00:43:20.809
And then they start making fun of each other and
800
00:43:20.909 --> 00:43:22.489
Angus goes, what do you know about babes? You play
801
00:43:22.510 --> 00:43:26.250
the accordion. You're short. And Troy says, you're fat. And
802
00:43:26.269 --> 00:43:30.079
then they just angrily high five and say, but, and
803
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.550
I like that little moment between them. Like, cause you do, you,
804
00:43:34.090 --> 00:43:37.269
you know, Angus is so accurately moody where, you know,
805
00:43:37.389 --> 00:43:39.190
Angus is a really good kid and you don't hold
806
00:43:39.250 --> 00:43:41.130
it against him. He's not like a whiny little bitch,
807
00:43:41.230 --> 00:43:44.210
but he's very moody and tough to be around as
808
00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:47.389
a teenager. Um, but you still love him. And that's
809
00:43:47.449 --> 00:43:50.000
a great moment where like you do shit on your friends,
810
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:51.760
but at the end of the day, you need to
811
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:53.599
remind each other like, okay, why are we doing this?
812
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:55.719
We're friends. So whenever they get really mad at each other,
813
00:43:56.110 --> 00:43:58.030
They just angrily high five and say buds.
814
00:43:59.289 --> 00:44:01.769
And I think that later that comes into play a
815
00:44:01.809 --> 00:44:04.369
lot at the end. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
816
00:44:04.429 --> 00:44:07.369
So there's a vote for the winter ball king and queen.
817
00:44:08.389 --> 00:44:10.570
And Troy says, you know, it'd be funny, Angus, if
818
00:44:10.590 --> 00:44:13.659
we went to the dance. And Angus is like, what
819
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.800
are you talking about? I'm not going to the dance.
820
00:44:16.659 --> 00:44:18.800
And he's, you know, like watch people spaz out on
821
00:44:18.820 --> 00:44:21.440
the dance floor. Look at the dildos standing around pretending
822
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.199
they don't want to be there. But secretly they do.
823
00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:28.719
And Angus says, Troy, we are those dildos. And then
824
00:44:28.900 --> 00:44:32.139
Angus realizes, oh my god, Troy, you told your mother
825
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.239
about this, and now she's making you go. Why did
826
00:44:35.260 --> 00:44:37.659
you tell her about it? And Troy's like, I don't
827
00:44:37.699 --> 00:44:40.960
tell my mom everything, but yes, that's exactly what happened.
828
00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:44.420
And then he says, he's listening to his headphones still.
829
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.400
He goes, oh shit, Green Day, I gotta get to
830
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:48.460
the payphone. So he turns the corner to run to
831
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.380
the phone, but he runs directly into Rick Sanford, James
832
00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:56.769
Van Der Beek. So I love– I don't remember what
833
00:44:56.849 --> 00:44:59.090
Rick says, but he says something really mean to Troy.
834
00:44:59.110 --> 00:44:59.920
Do you remember what it is?
835
00:45:02.139 --> 00:45:04.800
I don't remember. I just remember because when he runs
836
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:06.420
into– yeah, I don't remember. Yeah.
837
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.659
So give credit to Angus because even though he's a
838
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.179
loser and a nerd, he's a big kid. So when
839
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:16.960
Rick says something to Troy, Angus' reaction immediately is to
840
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.039
fight him, which I love.
841
00:45:18.139 --> 00:45:18.360
Yes.
842
00:45:18.889 --> 00:45:21.130
He just shoves Rick to the ground so hard.
843
00:45:21.989 --> 00:45:22.250
Yes.
844
00:45:23.070 --> 00:45:28.219
And– The principal runs over and says, Angus, if I
845
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.820
see you fighting again, you're not going to get into
846
00:45:30.860 --> 00:45:33.340
Jefferson because I will suspend you. If I see you
847
00:45:33.380 --> 00:45:35.480
do that to any other kid again, I will suspend
848
00:45:35.500 --> 00:45:38.280
you and you'll blow your whole shot at Jefferson. And
849
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.469
then Angus is like, fuck.
850
00:45:40.630 --> 00:45:44.820
And worse news. again, just cause he did a good
851
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.739
job with this part. You just see Vanderbeek's face and
852
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.579
you're like, Oh, now he knows he has something on Angus.
853
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:52.280
He can do something to Angus.
854
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:55.880
Cause that's the thing is Vanderbeek can't really make fun
855
00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:59.110
of Troy and Angus. Like he can to a point,
856
00:45:59.510 --> 00:46:01.730
but he knows that if he crosses the line, Angus
857
00:46:01.750 --> 00:46:04.090
will just kick his ass. So now he knows, Oh,
858
00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:05.750
I can do anything I want to Troy and Angus.
859
00:46:05.769 --> 00:46:08.530
Cause Angus can't stop me. And Troy certainly can't stop me.
860
00:46:09.699 --> 00:46:11.960
It was so rewatching it. Cause I hadn't seen it
861
00:46:11.980 --> 00:46:14.840
in a really long time. Like, I remember the ending
862
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.239
of this so much, but like, I was like, Oh,
863
00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:19.820
this movie from the beginning has shown you that Angus
864
00:46:19.940 --> 00:46:22.800
is just physically stronger than Troy throughout the entire movie.
865
00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:23.340
Yeah.
866
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.360
So it's like, you mean Rick? I'm sorry, Rick, excuse me. Yeah.
867
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.179
It's stronger than Rick. So you're like, well, how does Rick?
868
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.960
And I was like, how does Rick become like a
869
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.550
threat to him? And then this is why. And also
870
00:46:35.590 --> 00:46:37.090
the movie is doing a great job of telling you
871
00:46:37.130 --> 00:46:45.159
that the physical, you know, intimidation and shit is not real.
872
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:46.880
It's not power.
873
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.559
It's not real power. You're exactly right. Grandpa every day
874
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:53.960
goes to the park outside and plays chess with a
875
00:46:53.980 --> 00:46:57.130
random man, and this random man in real life that
876
00:46:57.369 --> 00:46:59.829
Grandpa plays chess with directed The Empire Strikes Back.
877
00:47:00.489 --> 00:47:01.929
Yep. His name is Irvin Kershner.
878
00:47:02.349 --> 00:47:04.630
How did he direct The Empire Strikes Back, and how
879
00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:07.469
did he never really direct a big movie ever again?
880
00:47:08.590 --> 00:47:10.739
I'm not sure you want to ask this question, but he.
881
00:47:13.699 --> 00:47:16.409
Also, I think we talked about it when we did
882
00:47:16.489 --> 00:47:21.170
Star Wars. So Irvin Kershner was a professor at USC
883
00:47:21.289 --> 00:47:25.050
where George Lucas went. And when George Lucas made Empire
884
00:47:25.070 --> 00:47:28.309
Strikes Back, obviously Star Wars had exploded and become a
885
00:47:28.329 --> 00:47:32.889
massive hit. Lucas, instead of... What would usually happen is
886
00:47:32.909 --> 00:47:34.730
the company who made Star Wars, like, let's make a
887
00:47:34.769 --> 00:47:39.650
second one. You do it, whatever. Lucas wanted control over it.
888
00:47:39.670 --> 00:47:41.989
So he's like, I will finance it with the money
889
00:47:42.110 --> 00:47:45.699
I made. You guys just release it. Because Lucas had
890
00:47:45.739 --> 00:47:47.820
that control and he had to produce the movie and
891
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.800
do all this stuff, he said he couldn't direct the movie.
892
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.320
And he had to hire somebody he trusted. And he
893
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.320
trusted this guy who was his teacher. So Kirshner came
894
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.329
in and kirshner did a lot of things that if
895
00:48:00.369 --> 00:48:03.309
you read about look up watch interviews that are what
896
00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:05.070
make empire great yeah.
897
00:48:06.030 --> 00:48:08.739
Yeah but how did he not get anything big ever
898
00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:10.900
again it was just because like oh he's a nobody
899
00:48:10.940 --> 00:48:12.599
he was just a teacher at usc.
900
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:14.679
I think i mean because he became like he did
901
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.579
robocop too he did i think i think he did
902
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.010
one of the james bond movies i just think because
903
00:48:19.070 --> 00:48:23.719
star wars was so not seen as Irvin Kershner directed
904
00:48:23.739 --> 00:48:27.570
this movie or like Richard Marquand. It was George Lucas's baby.
905
00:48:27.590 --> 00:48:30.150
So I just never thought these guys were given credit
906
00:48:30.409 --> 00:48:32.929
for anything that they were doing as directors. My opinion.
907
00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:33.829
Got it.
908
00:48:34.489 --> 00:48:37.409
Got it. So every day Grandpa plays chess with Irvin
909
00:48:37.429 --> 00:48:41.199
Kershner in the park. And Grandpa says, Angus, will you
910
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:43.719
talk to this Melissa girl before I die, please? And
911
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.639
Angus says, I just can't, Grandpa. It's not possible. And
912
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.730
Grandpa says, Angus, live by these words. Screw them. Who
913
00:48:50.769 --> 00:48:53.909
cares what they think? And I think that this movie
914
00:48:53.989 --> 00:48:57.550
really accurately captures the anxiety of, like, you know, there's
915
00:48:57.570 --> 00:48:59.889
so many things that I was just terrified to do,
916
00:49:00.030 --> 00:49:02.980
not being an adult and not having life experience. Asking
917
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:08.000
out a girl in high school, terrifying. Even, like, you know,
918
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:09.699
if my dad, we were at a restaurant, my dad
919
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.449
would be like, hey, can you go up to the
920
00:49:11.449 --> 00:49:14.340
counter and ask for to-go boxes? That would just seem
921
00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:17.699
overwhelming to me. It's just like talking to an adult.
922
00:49:17.860 --> 00:49:19.530
I don't know how to do this. Like, what if
923
00:49:19.570 --> 00:49:23.400
I look stupid? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's
924
00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:25.639
almost like you were high all the time. You weren't high,
925
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.280
but it's that internal crisis, as Ben calls it, when
926
00:49:29.300 --> 00:49:33.219
you're high and you're just like overthinking and overanalyzing everything
927
00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:35.320
and worried what everyone else thinks and feeling like you're
928
00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:37.590
not knowing what you're doing. That's what being a teenager is.
929
00:49:38.929 --> 00:49:41.809
All the insecurities at the forefront. That's the number one
930
00:49:41.849 --> 00:49:43.150
thing you're thinking about. Yeah.
931
00:49:43.449 --> 00:49:46.849
Yeah. And if I saw a hot girl and I mean,
932
00:49:46.869 --> 00:49:48.409
I would, it would be better if I like knew
933
00:49:48.449 --> 00:49:50.570
her and had some sort of relationship with her. But
934
00:49:50.889 --> 00:49:53.329
if I was single, obviously I wouldn't have a problem
935
00:49:53.349 --> 00:49:55.849
with asking her out. And what's the worst thing that happens?
936
00:49:55.869 --> 00:49:59.090
You get rejected. Okay. I've been rejected plenty of times.
937
00:49:59.210 --> 00:50:04.050
It's not scary to me anymore, but at age 14, 16,
938
00:50:04.050 --> 00:50:06.360
my God, there was nothing scarier.
939
00:50:06.449 --> 00:50:09.579
Yeah. Yeah. it's life is over. But I, I love
940
00:50:09.619 --> 00:50:13.739
the line here with the grandfather where, when he's talking
941
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.380
about this idea and he's like, I'm just, I'm just
942
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.579
the fat kid who's good at science. And then he says,
943
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.239
aren't you're not the fat kid who's good at football.
944
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.630
And it's this weird thing of like, it sounds like
945
00:50:24.650 --> 00:50:28.130
he's like doubling down the insult, but he's also saying
946
00:50:28.150 --> 00:50:29.929
to the, like, there's more to you than just that,
947
00:50:30.510 --> 00:50:32.230
even though it's the same thing. Yeah.
948
00:50:32.929 --> 00:50:35.789
And, and grandpa always says, also says you're not fat.
949
00:50:35.809 --> 00:50:38.309
You come from big people. You know, you're not not
950
00:50:38.389 --> 00:50:40.670
normal just because you're big. I'm big and I'm normal.
951
00:50:40.710 --> 00:50:46.690
And Angus says, you are not normal, Grandpa. And Angus
952
00:50:46.710 --> 00:50:49.760
has a reminder multiple times a day. Grandpa, you have
953
00:50:49.780 --> 00:50:52.239
to take your pill because Grandpa, he's falling asleep. He
954
00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:55.179
doesn't remember when to take his pill. So Angus has
955
00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:00.780
got to remind him. And I think, yeah, we'll end
956
00:51:00.860 --> 00:51:04.699
with basically this whole sequence. We'll end part one.
957
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:05.599
Okay.
958
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:10.739
I'm going to plug my computer in. This is a
959
00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:14.619
perfect high school moment. They're in the auditorium again for
960
00:51:14.659 --> 00:51:18.659
a pep rally, and it shows an overhead of the crowd.
961
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:23.250
Every single person in the auditorium is wearing blue, and
962
00:51:23.349 --> 00:51:26.929
Angus is wearing red. And Troy goes, didn't you see
963
00:51:26.969 --> 00:51:29.630
all the flyers? This was school spirit day. You had
964
00:51:29.650 --> 00:51:33.000
to wear blue. And Angus goes, nobody reads those. And
965
00:51:33.139 --> 00:51:36.420
Troy's like, apparently everyone does but you. And Angus is
966
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.340
just red and sweating. And I think that I would,
967
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.929
if like, if there was, there was an event where
968
00:51:43.030 --> 00:51:45.840
it was for like breast cancer awareness for work. And
969
00:51:46.110 --> 00:51:48.250
I just did not get the memo that you had
970
00:51:48.269 --> 00:51:50.889
to wear pink. Now, like, okay, that sounds obvious because
971
00:51:50.909 --> 00:51:53.409
it was for breast cancer awareness, pink ribbon. But I
972
00:51:53.469 --> 00:51:56.010
showed up and I wasn't wearing pink. And I was like, oh,
973
00:51:56.030 --> 00:51:58.010
what an idiot. But I didn't, I moved right along.
974
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.460
In high school, this would be a nightmare if.
975
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:05.019
This happened to you. When they cut to that shot
976
00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:07.340
of the crowd from above, and because, of course, he
977
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.400
is so much larger than everybody else. And I was like,
978
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.070
just leave. Just get out. Just get out of the room.
979
00:52:12.610 --> 00:52:14.789
It's like, what are you doing? Yeah. Oh, my God.
980
00:52:15.250 --> 00:52:18.469
Yeah. And I remember because I went to Marion and
981
00:52:18.489 --> 00:52:20.949
we had school uniforms and you could pay. I think
982
00:52:20.969 --> 00:52:23.369
you had to pay money. It was like $ 10 for
983
00:52:23.389 --> 00:52:25.889
like a fundraiser for a dance or something. But they
984
00:52:25.929 --> 00:52:29.409
would have random dress down days. Or they would have
985
00:52:30.070 --> 00:52:32.429
theme days. Like I remember we had a 70s day
986
00:52:32.449 --> 00:52:35.070
and you dressed like it was the 70s or something. Oh, wow.
987
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:35.719
OK.
988
00:52:35.739 --> 00:52:37.320
Or you could just do a normal dress down day.
989
00:52:37.340 --> 00:52:39.159
They would have them like once a month. And I
990
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.920
remember every day just having that paranoid teenage anxiety of
991
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.579
I'm in dress down day clothes. And obviously I had
992
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.659
thought so much about what I was going to wear
993
00:52:48.699 --> 00:52:51.039
and what message I wanted to send with my outfit choice.
994
00:52:51.619 --> 00:52:53.840
Overthought it horribly. But now we're on the way to
995
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.179
school and I'm like, what if it's not dress down day?
996
00:52:56.780 --> 00:53:00.139
What if I– thought it was today but it's not
997
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:02.800
and i'm gonna be dropped off and my mom's gonna
998
00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:05.380
leave and i don't have a cell phone and i'm
999
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.539
just gonna be at school not in my uniform and
1000
00:53:07.619 --> 00:53:11.480
everybody's gonna think i'm a fucking idiot like i would
1001
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.429
have these paranoid thoughts just being a teenager.
1002
00:53:14.650 --> 00:53:18.570
Again insecurity to the forefront yeah it's all there.
1003
00:53:18.969 --> 00:53:22.449
Yep and i you know andy said in my best
1004
00:53:22.489 --> 00:53:25.090
man speech that he was like astonished by me in
1005
00:53:25.110 --> 00:53:27.280
high school because i didn't care what people thought And
1006
00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:30.579
that definitely is not true. I was probably better on
1007
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:33.170
the spectrum than most kids. But I remember at the
1008
00:53:33.409 --> 00:53:38.449
end of senior year, after a certain date, seniors didn't
1009
00:53:38.469 --> 00:53:39.750
have to wear uniforms anymore.
1010
00:53:39.769 --> 00:53:40.929
Oh, really?
1011
00:53:41.289 --> 00:53:44.329
Yeah, because it was like two weeks before graduation or
1012
00:53:44.349 --> 00:53:48.349
something like that. So when that happened, I did wear
1013
00:53:48.389 --> 00:53:50.710
my uniform. I continued to wear my uniform, but I
1014
00:53:50.769 --> 00:53:55.670
cut the sleeves off my uniform. So, um, that, that's
1015
00:53:55.710 --> 00:53:59.710
an example of me just like not giving a shit really. But, uh, yeah,
1016
00:54:00.250 --> 00:54:02.030
not when I was a freshman, for sure. When I
1017
00:54:02.030 --> 00:54:06.289
was a freshman, it was terrifying, especially cause going to Marion,
1018
00:54:06.369 --> 00:54:09.889
I didn't know anyone like a lot of these kids
1019
00:54:09.949 --> 00:54:11.670
in high school. You went to high school and you
1020
00:54:11.710 --> 00:54:13.329
had friends, right?
1021
00:54:13.789 --> 00:54:16.880
And I mean, middle school and freshman year of high
1022
00:54:16.909 --> 00:54:18.719
school were both brand new schools.
1023
00:54:19.010 --> 00:54:22.199
New, new buddy, you know, new, but you know, new buddy,
1024
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:23.440
you knew nobody.
1025
00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:26.780
For sixth grade went to a whole new school didn't
1026
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.760
know a single person in my class and then freshman
1027
00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:32.719
year of high school i knew two kids but you
1028
00:54:32.739 --> 00:54:36.050
were separated into clusters in high school in different groups
1029
00:54:36.150 --> 00:54:39.630
and they were of course day one immediately ripped away
1030
00:54:40.110 --> 00:54:41.929
and it was all different people.
1031
00:54:41.690 --> 00:54:44.190
Yeah i also knew two kids but they were not
1032
00:54:44.230 --> 00:54:47.369
my friends at all and um because a lot of
1033
00:54:47.409 --> 00:54:50.030
these kids too like okay i went to catholics like
1034
00:54:50.170 --> 00:54:53.639
andy he went to catholic school his whole uh, wife
1035
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.739
or no, no, I've been to a certain point, but
1036
00:54:55.780 --> 00:54:58.949
he went to St. Bridget's and then St. Bridget's kids
1037
00:54:58.969 --> 00:55:01.130
would go to Marion. So he went to Marion with
1038
00:55:01.150 --> 00:55:03.670
a ton of kids that he knew. My first day
1039
00:55:03.690 --> 00:55:05.269
of freshman year at Marion, it was like the first
1040
00:55:05.289 --> 00:55:08.110
day of prison. We go into the cafeteria and I
1041
00:55:08.150 --> 00:55:11.030
didn't know anyone, didn't know where to sit, was terrified
1042
00:55:11.090 --> 00:55:14.920
about where to sit. Uh, just hell, hell on earth,
1043
00:55:15.019 --> 00:55:17.099
complete like panic attack, hit my stomach.
1044
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:21.699
Absolutely scary. Yeah. Same feeling here. Absolutely. Yep.
1045
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:26.650
Yep. So anyways, they are having an assembly, and there's
1046
00:55:26.690 --> 00:55:28.610
a very hot girl who I recognize, but I don't
1047
00:55:28.630 --> 00:55:31.949
remember from what. Do you recognize her, the recycling girl?
1048
00:55:32.849 --> 00:55:36.210
She did look very familiar. I got to look her up.
1049
00:55:36.230 --> 00:55:37.639
I don't know. Yeah.
1050
00:55:38.380 --> 00:55:44.840
But she's just like a– she's dressed as a recycling bin,
1051
00:55:44.900 --> 00:55:48.239
but it's kind of a– She's not in Gaudi. She's
1052
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:48.860
not in Gaudi.
1053
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.260
I was open to a computer to Gaudi, yeah.
1054
00:55:51.699 --> 00:55:54.139
Recycling Girl is Lindsay Price. Let me look her up.
1055
00:55:54.159 --> 00:56:00.369
I definitely recognize her face. Lindsay Price. She was in.
1056
00:56:00.369 --> 00:56:00.449
I.
1057
00:56:03.150 --> 00:56:06.929
Don't know any of these movies. Recently she's been in Black-ish,
1058
00:56:06.949 --> 00:56:12.730
Two and a Half Men, Hawaii Five-O, CSI. So she
1059
00:56:12.769 --> 00:56:15.750
must have been in something at some point. A lot
1060
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.139
of TV shows. Club Dread.
1061
00:56:17.179 --> 00:56:18.900
Oh, Club Dread. Okay.
1062
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:23.329
She was in Beverly Hills 90210. Oh, I think that's
1063
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what I recognized her from. She was in 71 episodes
1064
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of Beverly Hills 90210. Anywho. So she's wearing white spandex
1065
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and looks really good. And Troy whispers to Angus, I'm
1066
00:56:36.449 --> 00:56:39.679
getting a boner. And Angus looks at him like, what
1067
00:56:39.739 --> 00:56:41.639
is wrong with you? Why would you tell me that?
1068
00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:48.539
And the principal comes up and says, we will now
1069
00:56:48.579 --> 00:56:51.360
announce the votes are in. We are now announcing the
1070
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:55.039
winner of the winter ball king and queen vote and
1071
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.760
to announce the queen will be the captain of the
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football team rick sanford and rick comes up and he
1073
00:57:01.650 --> 00:57:04.909
gives some cheesy speech he's like i'm so happy that
1074
00:57:04.929 --> 00:57:07.449
we're starting our high school career we're meeting new friends
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00:57:07.550 --> 00:57:10.550
and you know starting our adult lives and then troy
1076
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just goes i appreciated that And Rick goes, the homecoming
1077
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:25.050
or winter ball queen is, not a surprise, Melissa Lefevre.
1078
00:57:25.610 --> 00:57:33.210
So Melissa Lefevre comes up and accepts the win, I guess.
1079
00:57:33.489 --> 00:57:36.969
And they have a girl come up to announce the king.
1080
00:57:37.329 --> 00:57:39.889
And Troy and Angus are in the crowd. And they go,
1081
00:57:39.969 --> 00:57:41.860
don't have it be Rick. Don't have it be Rick.
1082
00:57:41.900 --> 00:57:44.619
Don't have it be Rick. And the girl opens the
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00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:49.630
envelope and says the Winter Ball King is... Ryan?
1084
00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:52.610
Angus Bethune?
1085
00:57:54.650 --> 00:57:59.369
And then everyone is in complete stunned silence. Everyone in
1086
00:57:59.409 --> 00:58:03.940
the cafeteria turns and stares directly at Angus. And then
1087
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:06.599
Troy yells out, Holy shit!
1088
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.570
I also love... He does this shocked face the whole movie,
1089
00:58:12.590 --> 00:58:13.809
and I just think it's funny every time.
1090
00:58:14.570 --> 00:58:18.210
Oh yeah and the principal starts to clap but no
1091
00:58:18.269 --> 00:58:21.690
one else does so he awkwardly stops clapping he doesn't
1092
00:58:21.730 --> 00:58:24.800
understand like this is clearly some sort of prank and
1093
00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:27.739
then Troy being Troy being the absolute man he goes
1094
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:28.679
and pulls the fire.
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00:58:28.460 --> 00:58:32.320
Alarm such a wonderful move I love when the principal
1096
00:58:32.340 --> 00:58:34.179
is clapping the girl just shakes her head for him
1097
00:58:34.219 --> 00:58:38.619
to stop like you said you don't get this no
1098
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.159
wonderful like Troy is a god that's what I wrote
1099
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:43.190
my only note on that was that yeah.
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00:58:43.699 --> 00:58:46.119
And that's where we will leave off. We will continue
1101
00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:49.239
this in part two. Angus was just elected basically the
1102
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.550
homecoming king. As a prank, he immediately realizes. And we
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00:58:53.590 --> 00:58:56.969
will continue our Angus conversation and the remainder of the
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film in part two. Thank you for listening.
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I also completely forgot this was so early in this movie.
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Welcome back to Cuff's Basement. Back to school. Back to school.
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To prove to Ryan I'm not a fool. My shoes
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tied tight. Hope I don't get in a fight. We're
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continuing back to school month here on Cuff's Basement. And
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it's Tim, and I'm with riggity, riggity, riggity, riggity, Ryan.
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What's going on? Hey, everybody.
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Yeah, back to school. We started our first ever back
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to school month. It only took us like eight years
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or whatever with a bang-up breakfast club.
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We started senior year. Yeah.
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Exactly. Starting senior year, yeah. And now we're continuing with
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an absolutely incredible– well, we'll talk about the age range
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of these characters, but a very unknown, underappreciated high school
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movie from 1995, right?
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95? Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, it's 95, yeah.
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Called Angus. And this, this, yeah, I don't, I feel like,
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what is your impression of this movie in the sense of,
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do people know what this is? Like, I feel no.
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No, I don't think so.
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I don't feel like anybody knows what this movie is.
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It was a random high school movie that came out
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in the mid-90s. So there's a lot of them. There's
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a lot of really good ones. But I think this
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one stands out as different. And Angus, personally for me,
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and we'll talk more about it when we get into
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the movie itself. Personally for me, as far as what
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do I specifically identify with, do I think... Breakfast Club
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is the ultimate depiction of... Chucky just jumped on the table.
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No.
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No, go away.
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Go away.
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I'm pausing. I'm going to spray him with a water bottle.
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All right, we're continuing. I couldn't find the spray bottle,
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but I poked a hole with a nail in a
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water bottle and sprayed him away. Do I think, like... Okay,
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I love Breakfast Club, and it's a great representation of, like,
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those years. But do I think it is totally realistic,
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like it was high school to me? No. But for me, Angus...
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was high school. Not really. So like, especially cause a
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thing that's unusual about Angus, there's a few things that
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are unusual about Angus, but one is they, they're freshmen
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in high school.
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Yes. Yes.
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And I feel like every high school movie is like
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35 year olds that are portraying seniors, like 35 year
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old actors that are playing seniors in high school. You
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know what I mean? Um, like I can't hardly wait.
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Yeah. Sorry. What? they have so much like the freshmen,
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like this is about a freshman, but like everyone in
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this movie is a freshman, but they seem to have
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so much like power. Like there's no like seniors who
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are tougher than Rick kind of thing. You know what
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I mean?
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Well, I think an important thing is, um, that they,
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like the actors are young. Cause usually the James Van
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Der Beek was over 18 when this movie came out,
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but the actors in it are young. Like they seem young.
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Yeah.
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They don't seem like, you know, in Can't Hardly Wait,
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don't get me wrong, I love Can't Hardly Wait, but
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they all seem like they're 25 to 30, which they are.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But, you know, this movie is, well, what's your background
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with this movie? Did you see this at the time? Like,
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when did you be, when did you first see it?
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And like, are you a fan of this movie?
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Yeah, I first saw it. It used to be on
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Starz a lot. And we had Starz at home. So
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I used to see this a lot there and always,
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always love this movie. Always have. It's really kind of...
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people who like it or people who've seen it love
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it and respect it. But it's never really gotten a...
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I don't think at least. It's probably available to rent,
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but like I don't see anything. But, yeah, always loved
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this movie.
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The director is nobody famous. The director is, what's his name,
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Patrick Reed Johnson, and he was more famous for being
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a writer. He wrote Dragonheart, was his big claim to fame,
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with Dennis Quaid and Sean Connery.
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And then, I don't know anything else he directed.
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Baby Stay Out?
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I've never seen Space Invaders.
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I've never seen that either, but nobody has. He directed
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episodes of the Dinosaurs TV show to date ourselves.
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When?
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And this was actually written by a female screenwriter, which
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isn't all that common. She wrote for My So-Called Life,
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The Wondering... Oh, she was a producer, actually. She was
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a producer on those.
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Writer.
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She wrote 25 things. Let's see what else she wrote.
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She wrote... She wrote some 90210. She did write some
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My So-Called Life. She did write some Wonder Years. She
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did write 30-something Doogie Howser. So she was a television
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writer for the most part. And this is based on
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a short story by... What's the author's name? Chris Crutcher.
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Who I'm not really familiar with.
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Yeah, nor am I.
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I know that one thing that was changed in the movie,
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which if you read any trivia, I'm sure you saw this,
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was in the short story and originally in the script,
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Angus's dad is gay. And I think his mom is
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gay too. And Hollywood in 1995 thought that would be
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too weird given that this movie is already kind of
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a little bit against the grain.
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Did you find it so bizarre? Like I was watching
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on YouTube like trailers for this movie and stuff and
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Runnings because Cool Runnings was such a big hit. And
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the same people made this movie. You know, it has
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nothing to do with Cool Runnings. It's so strange.
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That was their one thing that they could latch on
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to to sell people in this movie, because like one
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of the problems of this movie, not problems, but the
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reasons it wasn't popular and didn't make money. is these
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guys that star in it are not, like, they're supposed
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to be high school losers, but in Hollywood terms, it's, like,
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high school loser. Or, like, a fat kid is maybe
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is a high school fat kid in movies. The main character, Angus,
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actually is... Very fat. And Troy actually does look like
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he would be a loser in school.
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who essentially never did anything ever again of note. Like
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he never starred in anything. And of course not. He's
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like a fat guy with a speech impediment. And he
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starred in this movie. What other movie would he ever
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possibly star in where he wouldn't be the best friend
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or a muscle character or the fat party animal character?
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He would be the leading male role. Zero movies would
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exist for him to be in, right?
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Zero, especially at this time or even later into the 2000s.
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for a very small part. And I remember just being
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like beyond when I saw Van Wilder being like, holy shit,
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it's Angus. Like he's in this movie. Yeah.
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Let me, you might be right.
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Uh, he's, he's in one scene. It's like not even
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a big scene. Yeah.
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Van Wilder as stomach guy.
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Yes. They're doing, auditions for Van's assistant, and he just
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shakes his stomach. He's in it for three seconds, but
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I was like, that is Angus when I saw it.
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the Watchmen television series.
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He played a.
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Cop in one scene. Yeah. I saw on YouTube he
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did an interview with somebody about the soundtrack to this movie.
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I was searching the Angus trailers and stuff on YouTube.
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That was from like two or three years ago.
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You better believe we're going to talk about the soundtrack
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of this movie.
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We absolutely do.
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So Charlie Talbert is Angus, the male lead. His best
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friend is Chris Owen, who you would recognize as the
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Shermanator in American Pie.
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Tons of movies. Tons of stuff. The Mist. Tons of stuff.
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lot of movies. And in American Pie, he's a ginger.
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He's awkward looking. But he's still.
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freshman who... is one of the smallest kids in the
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grade and gets bullied a lot as a result of that.
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he looked, was able to work for years in movies.
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gave and the best opportunity to give a good acting performance.
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I thought it was awesome.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We had
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paused because Cece's being really loud upstairs. And then Ryan
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started talking about the making of Dragonheart, which apparently he
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has seen. So I need this to be on the podcast.
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Tell me about the making of Dragonheart.
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All right. So we start with a view of crystal
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clear water. So... Dragon heart is, uh, people may know
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is the seat, the CGI dragon movie voiced by Sean Connery, uh,
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starring Dennis Quaid. Um, Patrick Reed Johnson is the writer
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of the movie. That movie was originally going to be
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made by the Jim Henson company. And the dragon was
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going to be like a fully like Muppet puppet dragon,
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like a, uh, animatronic. And he was going to direct it.
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I think it was made by Universal. They were like,
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we will make this movie, but he is not proven
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enough as a director for us to believe he can
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do this movie. So if you get another director, we
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will give you more money. And he got phased out
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of it pretty much. But he also has a history
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of visual effects and stuff as well.
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You're talking about the director of Angus.
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Yeah, Patrick Reed Johnson.
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Well, so other than Angus, his best friend Troy, the
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female lead, the beautiful Melissa Lefevre, the most popular girl
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in school, is portrayed by Ariana Richards, who famously was.
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I wrote great name. When they said her name, I
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was like, great name. What a name.
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What a great hot girl name, Melissa Lefevre. Ariana Richards
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plays Lex in Jurassic Park, most famously.
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She's in the first Tremors?
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She is in Tremors 1 and Tremors 3. She plays Mindy.
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was 93, Angus was 95. Lost World, right?
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What? Aren't her and Tim in the beginning of Lost World?
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She never really did anything of note after Jurassic Park.
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school quarterback, handsome guy, dickhead is the one and only R.I.P.
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James Van Der Beek.
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Question for you. I know we did this a long
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time ago. I always had a problem with Varsity Blues
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because of this movie. Because it's about Mox struggling through
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life and you're supposed to be on his side. And
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I was like, fuck you, Rick. That's all I ever
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saw it as in my head.
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Aren't the uniforms the same colors too?
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That dark blue, right?
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It's more of like a royal blue.
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I don't want your laugh.
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After he was humiliated he goes off somewhere else and
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there's a whole new way actually it could work he's
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only a freshman in this movie.
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It could work he could be Mox he could be.
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I always wanted to know what happened after the Rick
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Santra that's the people who made Varsity Blues that was
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what their interest was.
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the time yep At the.
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this movie at the time was George C. Scott, who played.
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She had won an Oscar five years before.
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Oh, she had?
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Well, he won an Oscar how many years before?
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George C. Scott?
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Yeah, he won an Oscar. Didn't he win Best Actor?
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Didn't he famously turn it down? He was one of
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the people who refused it, right?
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Oh, really? Is that true?
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I'm looking this up. I think so.
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been around forever. He's been an actor. He was born
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in 27, died in 99. He plays Kathy Bates' father,
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Angus' grandfather. I got a look at his... He won
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Best Actor for Patton in Patton. But I don't know
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if he turned it down. Oh, earlier at the 8th
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Academy Awards– wait a minute. I'm seeing this somewhere. Hold on.
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I'm going to find this at the reference here. I'm
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going to pause it so we can verify what Ryan said. Okay,
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Ryan found it. Ryan, go ahead.
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producer of the movie accepted on his behalf. He had
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been nominated for Best Supporting Actor before and also declined
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that nomination. They continue to nominate him after he famously
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is one of his very few quotes about it was
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he discussed the ceremony as a two hour meat parade,
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which is a great way to put it. And he's
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been at he every time he is nominated, he asked
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them to please remove him from future consideration.
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That's amazing. Good for him. Good for him. And so
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he basically is playing grandpa in this movie. He that's
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him in real life. He's playing himself.
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I want to do a quick, another cast and crew
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shout out here. The cinematographer of this movie is Alexander Grzynski, uh,
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who shot a recent cuffs basement classic known as stone cold. Oh,
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so he went right off that set and ran to Angus.
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I had to point out, um, So do you know,
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we'll get to it later, but the actor who plays
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the chess player?
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The second I saw him, I said, I think I
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know who this is. Then I waited and I was like,
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that's him.
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There's a random man we'll talk about later who has
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a small role in this movie, but somewhat significant. And
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it's the director of RoboCop 2 plays that man.
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He's also the director of The Empire Strikes Back.
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Oh, yeah, there's that too. I thought you were going
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to say On Deadly Ground with Steven Seagal.
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That one too. Also, I cannot believe they didn't let
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him talk because he has a very famous voice. Okay.
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Well, should we just get into it?
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Let's do it.
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We'll explain as we go why this movie. I mean,
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this movie is special to me partially for nostalgia purposes
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in the sense that I saw this when I was
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this age. And really the reason that I got into
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this movie originally was with Ben. and it was because
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of Green Day. Because Ben and I were really huge
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Green Day fans, and I guess Green Day's producer, record producer,
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produced this movie. Really? And as a result, I don't
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remember the guy's name, but as a result, they were
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allowed to use, not only is Green Day in the soundtrack,
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but in the movie, they talk about Green Day. They
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talk about going to a Green Day concert, and how
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they like Green Day. And they had released... There was
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like a B-side that didn't make an album. I think
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it might have been Dookie. And the B-side that didn't
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make the album was called J.A.R. And I don't know
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how it didn't make an album because it's like maybe
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the best Green Day song ever. But they put it
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on the Angus soundtrack and it's featured in the movie
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multiple times. And Ben and I loved that song. So
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I literally like, because you couldn't really get the song
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anywhere because it wasn't on an album except for the
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Angus soundtrack. So I remember like renting Angus listening to
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the end credits holding a tape recorder up to the
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tv to record jr so i would.
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Have man i remember doing that to the radio so
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many times and you can hear people in the background
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and stuff oh my god um yeah This must have,
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that song had to have done well after because when
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they released, I think in like the early 2000s, was
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it International Super Hits was their greatest album name?
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Yes, yeah.
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J.A.R. is on it.
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Yes.
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So it must have done well, yeah.
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They had a couple B-sides that were huge that they
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would play at concerts, like Maria, I think is the
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name of the song, Maria, Maria, like Green Day always
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played that at concerts, but it wasn't on an album,
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it was on International Super Hits, but Anyways, I mean,
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we'll talk about it, but this whole album is just
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nothing but bangers. The movie starts where it's narrated by
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the main character, Angus, who's a freshman in high school.
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And I will read parts of the narration. It kind
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of sets the tone. My mother named me after my father, Angus,
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a cow's name, which didn't help matters much because I
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was a big kid. My mother was in labor with
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me for two days, but my dad's the one who
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died in childbirth. He died of a heart attack waiting
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for her to deliver. But this wasn't really my problem.
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In fact, I thought my family life was relatively normal
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until I started getting expert feedback in kindergarten. And it
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shows Angus as a kindergartner at a birthday party. And
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somebody says, Angus Bethune is a fat kid. He's so
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hungry he eats his boogers. And he says, this was
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my problem. Rick Sanford. Rick Sanford is a kid in
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his class who was later played by James Van Der Beek.
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But at this point, they're in kindergarten. And Rick says, hey, Angus,
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want to play pin the tail on the donkey? You're
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the donkey. And Angus's reaction, God bless him, is he
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punches Rick right in the face. And what does someone
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in the background yell when he punches Rick in the face?
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He broke his nose.
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He broke his nose, Angus. I met my friend Troy Wedberg,
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my best friend Troy Wedberg, the day he charged five
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cents to see... And what is Troy charging five cents
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to see in the boys' bathroom?
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His cousin's pubic hair.
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My cousin's pubic hair. Rick Sanford comes out and says,
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you're a liar. And he rips the pubic hair out
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of his hand. And I love this line. Angus immediately
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steps in between Troy and Rick and, trying to be intimidating, says,
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give him back his pubic hair, Rick. Angus continues, I
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fell in love with Melissa Lefevre the day she threw
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Alex Emmerglock across Tarlow's roller rink. And I like this line.
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I think it's very realistic how kids talk because in
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a badly written movie, it would be like, I fell
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in love with Melissa Lefevre when she threw someone across
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the roller rink. But that's not how kids talk about memories.
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Like you would say Alex Emmerglock and you wouldn't call
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it the roller rink. You would call it like You know,
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whatever the local roller rink was called. You know what
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I mean? You would call it Tarlows.
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High impact moment. Every detail. Yep. Yes. Yes.
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And she saw some kid who was being a dick,
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so she just tossed him across the roller rink. And
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ever since that moment, Angus was in love with her.
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He continues, Melissa was the kind of girl that made
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you ache because you know she was put on this
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earth out of your reach only to make you feel bad.
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As we got older, Rick Sanford got more and more popular,
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but the worst part is he got Melissa Lefevre. And
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Rick is the quarterback of the football team. He's dating
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Melissa Lefevre. And now it is present day. Angus and
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Troy are on the football team. Troy looks insane in
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his football uniform.
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I lost it. I was like, I forgot Troy plays football.
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I was like, this poor kid. Props to him, though,
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for doing it. My God.
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He's like five feet tall, 90 pounds soaking wet, and
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he's on the football team. He obviously doesn't play it down,
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and he looks ridiculous in his uniform. He has huge
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pads on.
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The pads are literally wearing him. I don't know how
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to describe it, yeah.
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And Angus says, Rick had everything. The looks, the talent,
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Melissa Lefevre, and I had Troy. Yeah. So this soundtrack
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I want to talk about right now. So this soundtrack
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was J.A.R. by Green Day.
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Ash.
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Do you know Ash? The band Ash?
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I don't. No.
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So people called them the Irish Green Day because they
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were similar to Green Day. They were very popular in Ireland.
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But they formed in Ireland. So they have a song,
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like their most famous song that I love from this
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movie is Kung Fu. Listen to Kung Fu by Ash
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on Spotify. It's an awesome pop-punk 90s song. Dancehall Crashers,
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The Riverdales, The Smoking Popes, Weezer. Weezer has a fantastic
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song in this movie. You Gave Your Love to Me Softly,
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which Weezer wrote for this movie. The Goo Goo Dolls,
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Ain't That Unusual, fantastic song. The Muffs, Tilt, Whiteholmes, um,
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pansy division, deep water and love, spit love. Am I wrong?
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All every song in this movie is, is amazing.
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It's a great soundtrack. It's also sadly like one of
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those soundtracks when you bought the CD, not all of
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the songs are on the CD. I remember that being
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a big thing and being like, cause I don't think
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the Weezer song is on the CD.
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Yeah. That was a huge bummer when it came to
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buying soundtracks because like, let's say that, um, you know,
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there's a really popular song. I'd say Broadway by Google
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dolls was in this song. And then maybe another Google
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doll song was, was, was in this movie. I mean,
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not in the song. When you go to buy the CD,
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like the studio paid for the rights to have it
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in the movie, but they, you also have to pay
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additionally to have the rights to sell it in the soundtrack.
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Yeah.
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So like a huge thing was, um, I think it
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was Royal Tenenbaums. There was a Rolling Stones, oh, Ruby Tuesday.
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Okay.
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The Rolling Stones song is in Royal Tenenbaums, right?
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Yep.
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And I bought the soundtrack. And I think they have
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She Smiles Sweetly by the Rolling Stones on the soundtrack,
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but they did not have Ruby Tuesday. Because that's like
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a really popular song and it would cost too much
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money to put it in the soundtrack. Because it already
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cost so much money to put it in the movie.
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Yeah. And a lot of bands also... like a lot
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of the bands also don't like want them on the
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cd sound or like the albums too they don't want
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them like released on soundtracks they just want them the
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movie only i've heard a lot of those kind of
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stories too um yeah.
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Yeah that and fair if that's what you want but
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that was a bummer when you'd be like oh my
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god i love this song in this movie i'm gonna
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go buy the cd and then it's not on there
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yeah yeah because you gotta remember back in the day
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like You don't even know what the name of that
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song necessarily is. You might not even know the band.
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You just heard it in the movie and you have
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no way of looking it up. So then you go
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to the CD store, you go to Newbery Comics, you
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buy the soundtrack to the movie and you look at
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the back tracks and you're like, I don't know these bands,
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I don't know these songs, but I got to assume
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the song I love is on there. Then you listen
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through the CD and you're like, what the fuck? It
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never appeared.
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I remember you used to watch the end credits of
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the movie to see the listing of the songs in
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the movie and then try to find a way, even pre-internet,
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to find out which song it was.
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Yeah, I remember this, Ryan. This is so sad. Because
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when you watch movie credits, which no one would ever
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do anymore for any reason, you wait until the very,
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very end because that's when they start listing the songs. Yoda.
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Now Yoda's down here too. You guys are killing me.
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I would never spray Yoda because she would never forgive me.
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She's a delicate little flower. But you can't be on
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the table, sweet pea. You would wait until the very
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end of the credits because that's when they show all
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the songs. And you would have to just guess because
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I'm making this up. If you're watching Angus and there's
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a song, you don't know the band, you don't know
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the name of the song, but you can remember that
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there's a line of like, we went to the park.
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And then you would read the credits of the movie
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and it would say like park song by a band
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you've never heard of. And you'd say, okay, I think
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it's probably that, but you weren't sure. This is all
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insane to describe that. Like we actually, our children will
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never have to do this.
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There was a miracle point in time, a slight, a
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slight breakthrough when I don't know which chain did it.
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One of the chains had that machine that you could
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scan the CD and And it would give you 30-second
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samples of each song if it was in this.
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The Wall did it at the Natick Mall. Do you
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remember The Wall?
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The Wall.
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I do remember The Wall. Yeah.
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Because Newbery Comics was obviously the best CD store, but
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they didn't do that.
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No, yeah. They didn't have anything of that type. But
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I think the Border Bookstore had it. And that was
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just a gift. It was just like, does this have it?
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Is it on here? Can I do it now? This
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of course is just completely defeated instantly. But, um, that
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was just such a funny thing to think about. Cause
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it would be, I remember this empire record, same deal.
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Empire records, especially committed the crime of not all the
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songs being on the soundtrack.
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We should do an all-time great 90s soundtrack, and Empire
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Records would be on there. Sugar High, I remember loving that,
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and Renee Zellweger sings it in the movie. Fantastic. But, continuing.
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Angus narrates while they're at a football game, so it's
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a football game, you know, Friday night. Growing up, you
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wait for the one moment that's truly yours, that makes
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you believe every once in a while the good guys
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can win, and I was still waiting for that moment.
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And I, that's a feeling I had growing up, like,
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I feel like when you're a little kid, everybody's friends,
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you're so hopeful, everything's pretty positive, and then when you
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get to middle school, things start to suck, and you're like,
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wait a minute, like, Good things happen to bad people,
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and bad things happen to good people. What is going on?
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This isn't how movies and television told me life was
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not like this. So it could be a very disappointing time.
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Angus is enormous. Not only is he fat, but he's tall.
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So he plays O-line, and he's very good. Now, the
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irony of this is he has to protect Rick, James
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Van Der Beek, who he absolutely hates. And do you
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remember what Rick says when they're about to go run
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the play?
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No.
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He says, you better watch my ass. And Angus says,
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I'm watching it. And he says, I bet you are. Like,
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basically calling him gay.
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Yes. Yes, okay.
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And the way that this play transpires is just so perfect. So,
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Rick snaps the ball. Angus wrecks two D-linemen. And Angus says,
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I was impenetrable. I was a wall. And Rick has
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all the time in the world to throw the ball
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because of Angus. He throws a pick. So he completely
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fucks up. Then Angus runs over and nails the cornerback,
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causing a fumble. So not only did he demolish two defenders,
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00:31:40.130 --> 00:31:42.609
but he also caused a fumble with his tackle. Rick
572
00:31:42.829 --> 00:31:46.289
recovers the fumble, scores the winning touchdown, and is lifted
573
00:31:46.349 --> 00:31:52.680
on everyone's shoulders. While Angus is laying there completely concussed.
574
00:31:53.509 --> 00:31:55.369
Yeah. Yeah.
575
00:31:56.410 --> 00:32:01.500
Very, very fitting moment. Angus is really sweaty the rest
576
00:32:01.539 --> 00:32:05.019
of the movie, like not during football. He's just in school.
577
00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:07.220
He's just like a big fat kid who's constantly sweaty.
578
00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:11.509
I can definitely relate to that. I am and was
579
00:32:11.549 --> 00:32:13.490
a very sweaty person my entire life.
580
00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:17.970
His line, I don't sweat, I rain, is amazing. It's
581
00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:20.690
just amazing. It's amazing. Yep.
582
00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:23.869
It cuts to they're in science class, and Angus is
583
00:32:23.900 --> 00:32:27.170
very smart, so he's presenting this experiment he's working on.
584
00:32:27.910 --> 00:32:31.049
E from Entourage is in this movie as just like
585
00:32:31.150 --> 00:32:32.769
one of Rick's cronies.
586
00:32:34.130 --> 00:32:34.369
Okay.
587
00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:41.349
What is his name? The Redhead. The main character in Entourage.
588
00:32:42.170 --> 00:32:45.440
I didn't really watch besides what's his name, the guy
589
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.180
from Devil Wears Prada.
590
00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:52.480
He's oh Vince he's the oh Kevin Conley Kevin Conley
591
00:32:53.180 --> 00:32:57.349
he was uh in Unhappily Ever After I also think
592
00:32:57.369 --> 00:33:00.730
he might have been a member of Leonardo DiCaprio's Pussy
593
00:33:00.769 --> 00:33:03.829
Posse okay if you don't if you don't know what
594
00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:06.869
that is yeah what I'm sorry what he was in
595
00:33:06.910 --> 00:33:09.190
the notebook oh he was I don't remember him in
596
00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:09.970
the notebook.
597
00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:13.380
He is uh spoiler alert he is uh killed in
598
00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:18.180
World War II with uh Ryan Gosling.
599
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.589
Good squad good so if you don't know what I'm
600
00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:26.269
referring to with the PP Leonardo DiCaprio when he was
601
00:33:26.609 --> 00:33:29.809
a teenager in his 20s had a group of problematic
602
00:33:29.849 --> 00:33:34.289
bachelors that called themselves that in Hollywood and would try
603
00:33:34.329 --> 00:33:36.890
to sleep with as many women as possible it was
604
00:33:37.029 --> 00:33:39.930
Leo it was Tobey Maguire I think it was Kevin
605
00:33:39.950 --> 00:33:41.750
Conley there's a bunch of other.
606
00:33:41.609 --> 00:33:45.519
People too he directed the 2018 movie Gotti starring John
607
00:33:45.619 --> 00:33:46.529
Travolta as John.
608
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:50.890
Gotti Kevin Conley did Yeah. No, he did not.
609
00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:54.460
It says he directed the movie Gotti. Comey was hired
610
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.779
after a number of other directors, including Barry Levinson, were
611
00:33:57.819 --> 00:34:01.380
attached to the project during its lengthy development process. The
612
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.240
film was a critical and commercial disaster and is one
613
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.380
of the few films to hold an approval rating of
614
00:34:06.460 --> 00:34:08.210
zero on the website Rotten Tomatoes.
615
00:34:08.610 --> 00:34:11.349
Hey, random thought. Now that we're talking about Gotti and
616
00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:12.750
we saw The Odyssey this week.
617
00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:13.710
Yeah.
618
00:34:14.539 --> 00:34:17.800
I never really got Armand Asante. Like why was Armand
619
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.659
Asante a big thing for a while? Like he was
620
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.940
the lead in the nineties odyssey, which is a very
621
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:26.159
big deal. He was the lead in Gotti. He was
622
00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:29.769
the villain, main villain in judge dread with Sylvester Stallone.
623
00:34:30.389 --> 00:34:31.929
Why was he ever a thing?
624
00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:37.469
I don't, I don't know. I'm not sure whatever got
625
00:34:37.510 --> 00:34:41.190
him like his clout initially. Yeah.
626
00:34:41.389 --> 00:34:46.239
And like, He's fine playing generic mafioso Italian guy, but
627
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.579
he plays every character the same. He only has one mode,
628
00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:54.130
like John Wayne. And him playing Odysseus is patently insane.
629
00:34:54.289 --> 00:34:56.710
I haven't seen the 90s Odyssey, or at least if
630
00:34:56.789 --> 00:34:59.150
I have, I don't remember it. But yeah, I don't
631
00:34:59.170 --> 00:35:01.929
know why he was cast in that.
632
00:35:01.989 --> 00:35:03.869
I saw it in high school, yeah. We watched it
633
00:35:03.909 --> 00:35:05.130
actually in 9th grade, yeah.
634
00:35:05.969 --> 00:35:08.619
But I love in this moment in science class, the
635
00:35:08.659 --> 00:35:11.880
teacher has no respect for Angus. is barely paying attention
636
00:35:11.900 --> 00:35:16.059
to a science experiment. And when the bell rings, the teacher,
637
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.079
just really annoyed, goes, Angus, you were called to the
638
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.679
principal's office. And then turns to Rick and goes, hey, Rick,
639
00:35:21.699 --> 00:35:22.320
great touchdown.
640
00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:25.929
Well, I did like what's his name? Kevin Conley says,
641
00:35:25.949 --> 00:35:26.670
do you see my block?
642
00:35:27.650 --> 00:35:34.230
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So Angus goes to the principal's office.
643
00:35:34.289 --> 00:35:36.110
The principal sits down and tells him, do you remember
644
00:35:36.130 --> 00:35:36.550
what he says?
645
00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:41.389
He has some news. He got a letter from Jefferson
646
00:35:41.409 --> 00:35:45.159
that he's been accepted or has an interview and he
647
00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:49.159
has to do a science project for the interview in
648
00:35:49.219 --> 00:35:55.630
order to guarantee acceptance. And it's a. It's almost like
649
00:35:55.670 --> 00:35:57.769
a pre... He would leave high school. It wouldn't just
650
00:35:57.789 --> 00:35:59.969
be like he's accepted to college three years early. He'd
651
00:35:59.989 --> 00:36:00.369
be gone.
652
00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:03.659
Yeah. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't know.
653
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.780
Is it a junior college? Is that what.
654
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.239
You call that? It's a private school that specializes in
655
00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:13.659
science and only takes elite academic students.
656
00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:14.940
Oh, it's a real school.
657
00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:20.880
What is a magnet school? Because I don't know what
658
00:36:20.900 --> 00:36:27.780
this means. A magnet school... Magnet School, Magnate School, is
659
00:36:27.820 --> 00:36:29.969
a public school that has a specialized focus or program
660
00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:33.030
designed to attract students from a wider area. For example,
661
00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:35.550
there might be a school that specializes in the performing arts,
662
00:36:35.710 --> 00:36:40.949
one that specializes in science or law or international studies. Typically,
663
00:36:41.489 --> 00:36:44.289
unlike a typical public school, students have to apply to
664
00:36:44.329 --> 00:36:47.099
get in, even if they don't live in the immediate neighborhood.
665
00:36:48.219 --> 00:36:52.519
The reason... The name comes from the idea that it
666
00:36:52.619 --> 00:36:55.300
magnetizes students towards a particular program or theme.
667
00:36:56.179 --> 00:36:56.320
Oh.
668
00:36:57.940 --> 00:36:58.179
Okay.
669
00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:00.630
All right. I didn't know that. But that's what he's
670
00:37:00.690 --> 00:37:03.510
getting into. Jefferson is a science magnet school.
671
00:37:04.469 --> 00:37:06.170
Okay.
672
00:37:06.389 --> 00:37:09.469
All right. And he goes home. He tells his mom,
673
00:37:09.489 --> 00:37:12.239
Kathy Bates, who is excited. Kathy Bates loves him, is
674
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.000
a really good mom, thinks he's perfect.
675
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:18.280
Love the line that she's a truck driver and her
676
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.619
CB name is Bruiser. Yes. That was great.
677
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.199
Yes, yes. So his father passed away, as we talked about.
678
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.900
His mom is a truck driver. And his grandfather lives
679
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.099
with them. His grandfather is played by George C.
680
00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:31.460
Scott.
681
00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:35.110
And a frequent joke in this movie is that the
682
00:37:35.139 --> 00:37:40.170
grandfather always randomly falls asleep because he's old. And whenever
683
00:37:40.230 --> 00:37:42.949
he falls asleep, when Grandpa falls asleep, what does Angus do?
684
00:37:44.050 --> 00:37:48.050
He plays a song that is like that. I always
685
00:37:48.090 --> 00:37:50.679
think of the salute your shorts opening, but it's this
686
00:37:50.739 --> 00:37:53.179
famous horns thing. Yeah. Military horns thing.
687
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:53.699
Yeah.
688
00:37:53.860 --> 00:37:54.000
Yeah.
689
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:55.659
It's called Reveille is the name of the song.
690
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:56.360
Okay.
691
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.900
And grandpa wakes up and they're discussing that he's getting
692
00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:03.820
married to a woman named April, who is 30 years
693
00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:08.690
younger than him. So grandpa is 72 and April is 42.
694
00:38:08.690 --> 00:38:11.230
And Kathy Bates is very upset about this. Who gets
695
00:38:11.269 --> 00:38:15.110
married at 72? This is ridiculous. Um, they're, they're, they're
696
00:38:15.130 --> 00:38:17.050
eating dinner to the three of them. And then grandpa
697
00:38:17.070 --> 00:38:21.570
falls asleep. So she just gets, she gets up annoyed
698
00:38:21.610 --> 00:38:24.550
and walks away. And then Angus says, she's gone. And
699
00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:26.570
you find out that grandpa was pretending to fall asleep.
700
00:38:26.610 --> 00:38:28.449
Just so Kathy Bates would shut up and leave him alone.
701
00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:33.440
I love when she is complaining about the wedding to Angus.
702
00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:35.940
And he's like, why is she talking to me? Like
703
00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:37.440
I'm not in the room. And he's like, why is
704
00:38:37.460 --> 00:38:38.500
she talking to me? Like I'm an adult.
705
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.280
I think that, yeah, that's a really good point. Grandpa's
706
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.400
my favorite character in the movie.
707
00:38:44.530 --> 00:38:44.929
He's great.
708
00:38:45.389 --> 00:38:48.269
Pretty hands down. Grandpa's my favorite character in the movie.
709
00:38:49.369 --> 00:38:53.639
Back at school, Troy is listening to the radio while
710
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.199
he's hanging out with Angus. And he explains every time
711
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.920
they play Green Day on the radio, the first caller
712
00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:03.199
gets two tickets to the Green Day concert that's coming locally.
713
00:39:03.869 --> 00:39:06.510
So Troy, as a result, is listening to his headphones,
714
00:39:06.909 --> 00:39:09.050
listening to the radio all day in school to try
715
00:39:09.070 --> 00:39:10.409
to hear Green Day and win tickets.
716
00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:14.300
The calling the restaurant across the street from the school,
717
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:16.079
the lunchbox. Brilliant.
718
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.960
Brilliant. Did you have like an across the street school
719
00:39:20.019 --> 00:39:21.639
restaurant that kids hung out at?
720
00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:26.150
Like, don't we, we couldn't leave the school premises.
721
00:39:26.590 --> 00:39:28.989
Um, no, I know, but like after school or after.
722
00:39:28.829 --> 00:39:35.139
Sports, it was, called Vito's. It was a pizza place.
723
00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:38.679
When Megan went to Marion, it was Friendly's in downtown Framingham.
724
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:40.860
All the kids hung out at Friendly's all the time,
725
00:39:40.889 --> 00:39:43.989
which was like a perfect high school hangout spot. By
726
00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:46.449
the time I went there, Friendly's was not cool anymore.
727
00:39:46.510 --> 00:39:47.349
Nobody went to Friendly's.
728
00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:51.059
Well, it's always been– it's always cool. I don't care
729
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.840
where it is now. I think it's one of– Oh, no.
730
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.340
I just think that like the kids in my high
731
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.619
school class were just wrong. Because I feel like Megan–
732
00:39:59.769 --> 00:40:03.909
Megan loved high school. And granted, like Megan was a cheerleader.
733
00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:08.550
She was popular. From my understanding, attractive is what people
734
00:40:08.590 --> 00:40:13.949
told me. So Bridget and Megan being my older sister's– uh,
735
00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:16.530
who were five years older and seven years older. So
736
00:40:16.570 --> 00:40:19.809
like when I'm 14, they're 19 and 21. And they
737
00:40:19.849 --> 00:40:22.460
would like, sometimes not often, but they would sometimes pick
738
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:26.599
me up. Like people knew who they were. So dickheads
739
00:40:26.659 --> 00:40:29.199
at school would make comments about, Oh, your sisters are hot.
740
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:32.820
Your sisters are hot. And I just knew like, cause what,
741
00:40:32.900 --> 00:40:35.239
what does every guy do in that scenario? It's like, Oh,
742
00:40:35.409 --> 00:40:37.280
shut the fuck up. And like, get all mad about it.
743
00:40:37.710 --> 00:40:39.829
And like, what does that, what does that do? That
744
00:40:39.869 --> 00:40:42.429
just makes them want to tell you more. A thousand
745
00:40:42.449 --> 00:40:45.170
times worse. A thousand times worse. So I was smart
746
00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:47.849
enough to realize, like, I squashed it right away. It
747
00:40:47.909 --> 00:40:51.110
never bothered me, and I squashed it right away. Whenever
748
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:52.780
somebody would say something like that to me, which would
749
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.079
happen a few times a year, I would say, they
750
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.860
are so sexy. I would make a comment like that,
751
00:40:59.960 --> 00:41:03.719
and they would just like, what? You think your sisters
752
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:06.559
are sexy? And I go, have you seen them? I mean,
753
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:09.239
it's tough enough living with them. I mean, my God.
754
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:09.980
And they'd just be like, oh.
755
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.920
I like how you're talking about like they are crazy
756
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:14.719
for questioning it now.
757
00:41:15.019 --> 00:41:16.679
Then they would never bring it up to me ever again.
758
00:41:19.489 --> 00:41:21.650
But yeah, so like the kids in my class were
759
00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:24.610
just scumbags. Like they would before and after school, instead
760
00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:26.449
of like going to Friendly's to get a bite with
761
00:41:26.489 --> 00:41:28.929
some friends and hang out, they would like take pills
762
00:41:28.989 --> 00:41:32.050
or drink or smoke weed in somebody's car at somebody's house.
763
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.320
There was a corner on one of like, cause like
764
00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:37.480
the high school was literally in the middle of the neighborhood.
765
00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:39.929
So it was a corner that had like a brick wall.
766
00:41:39.949 --> 00:41:42.150
People would smoke at, you know what the funny thing is.
767
00:41:42.170 --> 00:41:44.989
I'm curious. Cause you guys obviously went to school near one.
768
00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:48.110
We were so close to the Arsenal and Watertown mall,
769
00:41:48.530 --> 00:41:50.809
but a lot of the kids did not like hang
770
00:41:50.869 --> 00:41:52.630
out in the mall. You know what I mean? It
771
00:41:52.650 --> 00:41:53.710
was kind of weird. Yeah.
772
00:41:54.730 --> 00:41:58.280
Yeah. I'll never forget that. My teacher, Mr. McGarry, shout
773
00:41:58.300 --> 00:41:58.579
out Mr.
774
00:41:58.619 --> 00:41:58.900
McGarry.
775
00:42:00.070 --> 00:42:02.309
I ran into him at church or something like years
776
00:42:02.389 --> 00:42:05.050
after I graduated. And I said, who is some of
777
00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:08.349
the worst classes you ever had? Especially like in my day.
778
00:42:08.389 --> 00:42:10.590
Out of the four years I was there. And he goes, oh,
779
00:42:10.610 --> 00:42:13.929
the worst class is definitely your class. And I said,
780
00:42:14.289 --> 00:42:17.489
what about Paul's class? Because Paul's class, they would always
781
00:42:17.550 --> 00:42:21.650
do pranks. And Mr. McGarry said, no, I'll tell you
782
00:42:21.670 --> 00:42:26.380
the difference between Paul's class, 03 and 04. 03 would
783
00:42:26.420 --> 00:42:29.789
like cause a prank. They would do something like put
784
00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:32.329
a thumbtack in a teacher's chair or some cliche thing
785
00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:36.179
like that. Your class was bad people. Like you had
786
00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:40.699
bad kids in your class. Instead of playing a prank
787
00:42:40.780 --> 00:42:44.079
on a teacher, they would like– Mr. McGarry didn't say this,
788
00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:46.420
but they're the type of kids that would probably date
789
00:42:46.460 --> 00:42:50.039
rape someone. That's the difference between Paul's class and my class,
790
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:51.940
and I'm not proud of that. They're all scumbags.
791
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.480
Wow. That was definitely the class ahead of us. I
792
00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:58.239
was 03. But the class ahead of us, the teachers
793
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.679
were beyond psyched that they were gone. They were like,
794
00:43:02.739 --> 00:43:05.800
thank God 2002 is gone. That's all they would say.
795
00:43:05.980 --> 00:43:06.780
They were like, thank God.
796
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:13.739
So Troy and Angus are in this assembly and Troy's explaining,
797
00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:15.969
if you go to Jefferson Nerd High, you might as
798
00:43:16.010 --> 00:43:17.929
well be a monk because you won't get any babes.
799
00:43:18.929 --> 00:43:20.809
And then they start making fun of each other and
800
00:43:20.909 --> 00:43:22.489
Angus goes, what do you know about babes? You play
801
00:43:22.510 --> 00:43:26.250
the accordion. You're short. And Troy says, you're fat. And
802
00:43:26.269 --> 00:43:30.079
then they just angrily high five and say, but, and
803
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.550
I like that little moment between them. Like, cause you do, you,
804
00:43:34.090 --> 00:43:37.269
you know, Angus is so accurately moody where, you know,
805
00:43:37.389 --> 00:43:39.190
Angus is a really good kid and you don't hold
806
00:43:39.250 --> 00:43:41.130
it against him. He's not like a whiny little bitch,
807
00:43:41.230 --> 00:43:44.210
but he's very moody and tough to be around as
808
00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:47.389
a teenager. Um, but you still love him. And that's
809
00:43:47.449 --> 00:43:50.000
a great moment where like you do shit on your friends,
810
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:51.760
but at the end of the day, you need to
811
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:53.599
remind each other like, okay, why are we doing this?
812
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:55.719
We're friends. So whenever they get really mad at each other,
813
00:43:56.110 --> 00:43:58.030
They just angrily high five and say buds.
814
00:43:59.289 --> 00:44:01.769
And I think that later that comes into play a
815
00:44:01.809 --> 00:44:04.369
lot at the end. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
816
00:44:04.429 --> 00:44:07.369
So there's a vote for the winter ball king and queen.
817
00:44:08.389 --> 00:44:10.570
And Troy says, you know, it'd be funny, Angus, if
818
00:44:10.590 --> 00:44:13.659
we went to the dance. And Angus is like, what
819
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.800
are you talking about? I'm not going to the dance.
820
00:44:16.659 --> 00:44:18.800
And he's, you know, like watch people spaz out on
821
00:44:18.820 --> 00:44:21.440
the dance floor. Look at the dildos standing around pretending
822
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.199
they don't want to be there. But secretly they do.
823
00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:28.719
And Angus says, Troy, we are those dildos. And then
824
00:44:28.900 --> 00:44:32.139
Angus realizes, oh my god, Troy, you told your mother
825
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.239
about this, and now she's making you go. Why did
826
00:44:35.260 --> 00:44:37.659
you tell her about it? And Troy's like, I don't
827
00:44:37.699 --> 00:44:40.960
tell my mom everything, but yes, that's exactly what happened.
828
00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:44.420
And then he says, he's listening to his headphones still.
829
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.400
He goes, oh shit, Green Day, I gotta get to
830
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:48.460
the payphone. So he turns the corner to run to
831
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.380
the phone, but he runs directly into Rick Sanford, James
832
00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:56.769
Van Der Beek. So I love– I don't remember what
833
00:44:56.849 --> 00:44:59.090
Rick says, but he says something really mean to Troy.
834
00:44:59.110 --> 00:44:59.920
Do you remember what it is?
835
00:45:02.139 --> 00:45:04.800
I don't remember. I just remember because when he runs
836
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:06.420
into– yeah, I don't remember. Yeah.
837
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.659
So give credit to Angus because even though he's a
838
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.179
loser and a nerd, he's a big kid. So when
839
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:16.960
Rick says something to Troy, Angus' reaction immediately is to
840
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.039
fight him, which I love.
841
00:45:18.139 --> 00:45:18.360
Yes.
842
00:45:18.889 --> 00:45:21.130
He just shoves Rick to the ground so hard.
843
00:45:21.989 --> 00:45:22.250
Yes.
844
00:45:23.070 --> 00:45:28.219
And– The principal runs over and says, Angus, if I
845
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.820
see you fighting again, you're not going to get into
846
00:45:30.860 --> 00:45:33.340
Jefferson because I will suspend you. If I see you
847
00:45:33.380 --> 00:45:35.480
do that to any other kid again, I will suspend
848
00:45:35.500 --> 00:45:38.280
you and you'll blow your whole shot at Jefferson. And
849
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.469
then Angus is like, fuck.
850
00:45:40.630 --> 00:45:44.820
And worse news. again, just cause he did a good
851
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.739
job with this part. You just see Vanderbeek's face and
852
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.579
you're like, Oh, now he knows he has something on Angus.
853
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:52.280
He can do something to Angus.
854
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:55.880
Cause that's the thing is Vanderbeek can't really make fun
855
00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:59.110
of Troy and Angus. Like he can to a point,
856
00:45:59.510 --> 00:46:01.730
but he knows that if he crosses the line, Angus
857
00:46:01.750 --> 00:46:04.090
will just kick his ass. So now he knows, Oh,
858
00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:05.750
I can do anything I want to Troy and Angus.
859
00:46:05.769 --> 00:46:08.530
Cause Angus can't stop me. And Troy certainly can't stop me.
860
00:46:09.699 --> 00:46:11.960
It was so rewatching it. Cause I hadn't seen it
861
00:46:11.980 --> 00:46:14.840
in a really long time. Like, I remember the ending
862
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.239
of this so much, but like, I was like, Oh,
863
00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:19.820
this movie from the beginning has shown you that Angus
864
00:46:19.940 --> 00:46:22.800
is just physically stronger than Troy throughout the entire movie.
865
00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:23.340
Yeah.
866
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.360
So it's like, you mean Rick? I'm sorry, Rick, excuse me. Yeah.
867
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.179
It's stronger than Rick. So you're like, well, how does Rick?
868
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.960
And I was like, how does Rick become like a
869
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.550
threat to him? And then this is why. And also
870
00:46:35.590 --> 00:46:37.090
the movie is doing a great job of telling you
871
00:46:37.130 --> 00:46:45.159
that the physical, you know, intimidation and shit is not real.
872
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:46.880
It's not power.
873
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.559
It's not real power. You're exactly right. Grandpa every day
874
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:53.960
goes to the park outside and plays chess with a
875
00:46:53.980 --> 00:46:57.130
random man, and this random man in real life that
876
00:46:57.369 --> 00:46:59.829
Grandpa plays chess with directed The Empire Strikes Back.
877
00:47:00.489 --> 00:47:01.929
Yep. His name is Irvin Kershner.
878
00:47:02.349 --> 00:47:04.630
How did he direct The Empire Strikes Back, and how
879
00:47:04.670 --> 00:47:07.469
did he never really direct a big movie ever again?
880
00:47:08.590 --> 00:47:10.739
I'm not sure you want to ask this question, but he.
881
00:47:13.699 --> 00:47:16.409
Also, I think we talked about it when we did
882
00:47:16.489 --> 00:47:21.170
Star Wars. So Irvin Kershner was a professor at USC
883
00:47:21.289 --> 00:47:25.050
where George Lucas went. And when George Lucas made Empire
884
00:47:25.070 --> 00:47:28.309
Strikes Back, obviously Star Wars had exploded and become a
885
00:47:28.329 --> 00:47:32.889
massive hit. Lucas, instead of... What would usually happen is
886
00:47:32.909 --> 00:47:34.730
the company who made Star Wars, like, let's make a
887
00:47:34.769 --> 00:47:39.650
second one. You do it, whatever. Lucas wanted control over it.
888
00:47:39.670 --> 00:47:41.989
So he's like, I will finance it with the money
889
00:47:42.110 --> 00:47:45.699
I made. You guys just release it. Because Lucas had
890
00:47:45.739 --> 00:47:47.820
that control and he had to produce the movie and
891
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.800
do all this stuff, he said he couldn't direct the movie.
892
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.320
And he had to hire somebody he trusted. And he
893
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.320
trusted this guy who was his teacher. So Kirshner came
894
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.329
in and kirshner did a lot of things that if
895
00:48:00.369 --> 00:48:03.309
you read about look up watch interviews that are what
896
00:48:03.369 --> 00:48:05.070
make empire great yeah.
897
00:48:06.030 --> 00:48:08.739
Yeah but how did he not get anything big ever
898
00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:10.900
again it was just because like oh he's a nobody
899
00:48:10.940 --> 00:48:12.599
he was just a teacher at usc.
900
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:14.679
I think i mean because he became like he did
901
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.579
robocop too he did i think i think he did
902
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.010
one of the james bond movies i just think because
903
00:48:19.070 --> 00:48:23.719
star wars was so not seen as Irvin Kershner directed
904
00:48:23.739 --> 00:48:27.570
this movie or like Richard Marquand. It was George Lucas's baby.
905
00:48:27.590 --> 00:48:30.150
So I just never thought these guys were given credit
906
00:48:30.409 --> 00:48:32.929
for anything that they were doing as directors. My opinion.
907
00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:33.829
Got it.
908
00:48:34.489 --> 00:48:37.409
Got it. So every day Grandpa plays chess with Irvin
909
00:48:37.429 --> 00:48:41.199
Kershner in the park. And Grandpa says, Angus, will you
910
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:43.719
talk to this Melissa girl before I die, please? And
911
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.639
Angus says, I just can't, Grandpa. It's not possible. And
912
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.730
Grandpa says, Angus, live by these words. Screw them. Who
913
00:48:50.769 --> 00:48:53.909
cares what they think? And I think that this movie
914
00:48:53.989 --> 00:48:57.550
really accurately captures the anxiety of, like, you know, there's
915
00:48:57.570 --> 00:48:59.889
so many things that I was just terrified to do,
916
00:49:00.030 --> 00:49:02.980
not being an adult and not having life experience. Asking
917
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:08.000
out a girl in high school, terrifying. Even, like, you know,
918
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:09.699
if my dad, we were at a restaurant, my dad
919
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:11.449
would be like, hey, can you go up to the
920
00:49:11.449 --> 00:49:14.340
counter and ask for to-go boxes? That would just seem
921
00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:17.699
overwhelming to me. It's just like talking to an adult.
922
00:49:17.860 --> 00:49:19.530
I don't know how to do this. Like, what if
923
00:49:19.570 --> 00:49:23.400
I look stupid? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's
924
00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:25.639
almost like you were high all the time. You weren't high,
925
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.280
but it's that internal crisis, as Ben calls it, when
926
00:49:29.300 --> 00:49:33.219
you're high and you're just like overthinking and overanalyzing everything
927
00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:35.320
and worried what everyone else thinks and feeling like you're
928
00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:37.590
not knowing what you're doing. That's what being a teenager is.
929
00:49:38.929 --> 00:49:41.809
All the insecurities at the forefront. That's the number one
930
00:49:41.849 --> 00:49:43.150
thing you're thinking about. Yeah.
931
00:49:43.449 --> 00:49:46.849
Yeah. And if I saw a hot girl and I mean,
932
00:49:46.869 --> 00:49:48.409
I would, it would be better if I like knew
933
00:49:48.449 --> 00:49:50.570
her and had some sort of relationship with her. But
934
00:49:50.889 --> 00:49:53.329
if I was single, obviously I wouldn't have a problem
935
00:49:53.349 --> 00:49:55.849
with asking her out. And what's the worst thing that happens?
936
00:49:55.869 --> 00:49:59.090
You get rejected. Okay. I've been rejected plenty of times.
937
00:49:59.210 --> 00:50:04.050
It's not scary to me anymore, but at age 14, 16,
938
00:50:04.050 --> 00:50:06.360
my God, there was nothing scarier.
939
00:50:06.449 --> 00:50:09.579
Yeah. Yeah. it's life is over. But I, I love
940
00:50:09.619 --> 00:50:13.739
the line here with the grandfather where, when he's talking
941
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.380
about this idea and he's like, I'm just, I'm just
942
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.579
the fat kid who's good at science. And then he says,
943
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.239
aren't you're not the fat kid who's good at football.
944
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.630
And it's this weird thing of like, it sounds like
945
00:50:24.650 --> 00:50:28.130
he's like doubling down the insult, but he's also saying
946
00:50:28.150 --> 00:50:29.929
to the, like, there's more to you than just that,
947
00:50:30.510 --> 00:50:32.230
even though it's the same thing. Yeah.
948
00:50:32.929 --> 00:50:35.789
And, and grandpa always says, also says you're not fat.
949
00:50:35.809 --> 00:50:38.309
You come from big people. You know, you're not not
950
00:50:38.389 --> 00:50:40.670
normal just because you're big. I'm big and I'm normal.
951
00:50:40.710 --> 00:50:46.690
And Angus says, you are not normal, Grandpa. And Angus
952
00:50:46.710 --> 00:50:49.760
has a reminder multiple times a day. Grandpa, you have
953
00:50:49.780 --> 00:50:52.239
to take your pill because Grandpa, he's falling asleep. He
954
00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:55.179
doesn't remember when to take his pill. So Angus has
955
00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:00.780
got to remind him. And I think, yeah, we'll end
956
00:51:00.860 --> 00:51:04.699
with basically this whole sequence. We'll end part one.
957
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:05.599
Okay.
958
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:10.739
I'm going to plug my computer in. This is a
959
00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:14.619
perfect high school moment. They're in the auditorium again for
960
00:51:14.659 --> 00:51:18.659
a pep rally, and it shows an overhead of the crowd.
961
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:23.250
Every single person in the auditorium is wearing blue, and
962
00:51:23.349 --> 00:51:26.929
Angus is wearing red. And Troy goes, didn't you see
963
00:51:26.969 --> 00:51:29.630
all the flyers? This was school spirit day. You had
964
00:51:29.650 --> 00:51:33.000
to wear blue. And Angus goes, nobody reads those. And
965
00:51:33.139 --> 00:51:36.420
Troy's like, apparently everyone does but you. And Angus is
966
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.340
just red and sweating. And I think that I would,
967
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.929
if like, if there was, there was an event where
968
00:51:43.030 --> 00:51:45.840
it was for like breast cancer awareness for work. And
969
00:51:46.110 --> 00:51:48.250
I just did not get the memo that you had
970
00:51:48.269 --> 00:51:50.889
to wear pink. Now, like, okay, that sounds obvious because
971
00:51:50.909 --> 00:51:53.409
it was for breast cancer awareness, pink ribbon. But I
972
00:51:53.469 --> 00:51:56.010
showed up and I wasn't wearing pink. And I was like, oh,
973
00:51:56.030 --> 00:51:58.010
what an idiot. But I didn't, I moved right along.
974
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.460
In high school, this would be a nightmare if.
975
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:05.019
This happened to you. When they cut to that shot
976
00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:07.340
of the crowd from above, and because, of course, he
977
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.400
is so much larger than everybody else. And I was like,
978
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.070
just leave. Just get out. Just get out of the room.
979
00:52:12.610 --> 00:52:14.789
It's like, what are you doing? Yeah. Oh, my God.
980
00:52:15.250 --> 00:52:18.469
Yeah. And I remember because I went to Marion and
981
00:52:18.489 --> 00:52:20.949
we had school uniforms and you could pay. I think
982
00:52:20.969 --> 00:52:23.369
you had to pay money. It was like $ 10 for
983
00:52:23.389 --> 00:52:25.889
like a fundraiser for a dance or something. But they
984
00:52:25.929 --> 00:52:29.409
would have random dress down days. Or they would have
985
00:52:30.070 --> 00:52:32.429
theme days. Like I remember we had a 70s day
986
00:52:32.449 --> 00:52:35.070
and you dressed like it was the 70s or something. Oh, wow.
987
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:35.719
OK.
988
00:52:35.739 --> 00:52:37.320
Or you could just do a normal dress down day.
989
00:52:37.340 --> 00:52:39.159
They would have them like once a month. And I
990
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.920
remember every day just having that paranoid teenage anxiety of
991
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.579
I'm in dress down day clothes. And obviously I had
992
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.659
thought so much about what I was going to wear
993
00:52:48.699 --> 00:52:51.039
and what message I wanted to send with my outfit choice.
994
00:52:51.619 --> 00:52:53.840
Overthought it horribly. But now we're on the way to
995
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.179
school and I'm like, what if it's not dress down day?
996
00:52:56.780 --> 00:53:00.139
What if I– thought it was today but it's not
997
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:02.800
and i'm gonna be dropped off and my mom's gonna
998
00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:05.380
leave and i don't have a cell phone and i'm
999
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.539
just gonna be at school not in my uniform and
1000
00:53:07.619 --> 00:53:11.480
everybody's gonna think i'm a fucking idiot like i would
1001
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.429
have these paranoid thoughts just being a teenager.
1002
00:53:14.650 --> 00:53:18.570
Again insecurity to the forefront yeah it's all there.
1003
00:53:18.969 --> 00:53:22.449
Yep and i you know andy said in my best
1004
00:53:22.489 --> 00:53:25.090
man speech that he was like astonished by me in
1005
00:53:25.110 --> 00:53:27.280
high school because i didn't care what people thought And
1006
00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:30.579
that definitely is not true. I was probably better on
1007
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:33.170
the spectrum than most kids. But I remember at the
1008
00:53:33.409 --> 00:53:38.449
end of senior year, after a certain date, seniors didn't
1009
00:53:38.469 --> 00:53:39.750
have to wear uniforms anymore.
1010
00:53:39.769 --> 00:53:40.929
Oh, really?
1011
00:53:41.289 --> 00:53:44.329
Yeah, because it was like two weeks before graduation or
1012
00:53:44.349 --> 00:53:48.349
something like that. So when that happened, I did wear
1013
00:53:48.389 --> 00:53:50.710
my uniform. I continued to wear my uniform, but I
1014
00:53:50.769 --> 00:53:55.670
cut the sleeves off my uniform. So, um, that, that's
1015
00:53:55.710 --> 00:53:59.710
an example of me just like not giving a shit really. But, uh, yeah,
1016
00:54:00.250 --> 00:54:02.030
not when I was a freshman, for sure. When I
1017
00:54:02.030 --> 00:54:06.289
was a freshman, it was terrifying, especially cause going to Marion,
1018
00:54:06.369 --> 00:54:09.889
I didn't know anyone like a lot of these kids
1019
00:54:09.949 --> 00:54:11.670
in high school. You went to high school and you
1020
00:54:11.710 --> 00:54:13.329
had friends, right?
1021
00:54:13.789 --> 00:54:16.880
And I mean, middle school and freshman year of high
1022
00:54:16.909 --> 00:54:18.719
school were both brand new schools.
1023
00:54:19.010 --> 00:54:22.199
New, new buddy, you know, new, but you know, new buddy,
1024
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:23.440
you knew nobody.
1025
00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:26.780
For sixth grade went to a whole new school didn't
1026
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.760
know a single person in my class and then freshman
1027
00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:32.719
year of high school i knew two kids but you
1028
00:54:32.739 --> 00:54:36.050
were separated into clusters in high school in different groups
1029
00:54:36.150 --> 00:54:39.630
and they were of course day one immediately ripped away
1030
00:54:40.110 --> 00:54:41.929
and it was all different people.
1031
00:54:41.690 --> 00:54:44.190
Yeah i also knew two kids but they were not
1032
00:54:44.230 --> 00:54:47.369
my friends at all and um because a lot of
1033
00:54:47.409 --> 00:54:50.030
these kids too like okay i went to catholics like
1034
00:54:50.170 --> 00:54:53.639
andy he went to catholic school his whole uh, wife
1035
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.739
or no, no, I've been to a certain point, but
1036
00:54:55.780 --> 00:54:58.949
he went to St. Bridget's and then St. Bridget's kids
1037
00:54:58.969 --> 00:55:01.130
would go to Marion. So he went to Marion with
1038
00:55:01.150 --> 00:55:03.670
a ton of kids that he knew. My first day
1039
00:55:03.690 --> 00:55:05.269
of freshman year at Marion, it was like the first
1040
00:55:05.289 --> 00:55:08.110
day of prison. We go into the cafeteria and I
1041
00:55:08.150 --> 00:55:11.030
didn't know anyone, didn't know where to sit, was terrified
1042
00:55:11.090 --> 00:55:14.920
about where to sit. Uh, just hell, hell on earth,
1043
00:55:15.019 --> 00:55:17.099
complete like panic attack, hit my stomach.
1044
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:21.699
Absolutely scary. Yeah. Same feeling here. Absolutely. Yep.
1045
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:26.650
Yep. So anyways, they are having an assembly, and there's
1046
00:55:26.690 --> 00:55:28.610
a very hot girl who I recognize, but I don't
1047
00:55:28.630 --> 00:55:31.949
remember from what. Do you recognize her, the recycling girl?
1048
00:55:32.849 --> 00:55:36.210
She did look very familiar. I got to look her up.
1049
00:55:36.230 --> 00:55:37.639
I don't know. Yeah.
1050
00:55:38.380 --> 00:55:44.840
But she's just like a– she's dressed as a recycling bin,
1051
00:55:44.900 --> 00:55:48.239
but it's kind of a– She's not in Gaudi. She's
1052
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:48.860
not in Gaudi.
1053
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.260
I was open to a computer to Gaudi, yeah.
1054
00:55:51.699 --> 00:55:54.139
Recycling Girl is Lindsay Price. Let me look her up.
1055
00:55:54.159 --> 00:56:00.369
I definitely recognize her face. Lindsay Price. She was in.
1056
00:56:00.369 --> 00:56:00.449
I.
1057
00:56:03.150 --> 00:56:06.929
Don't know any of these movies. Recently she's been in Black-ish,
1058
00:56:06.949 --> 00:56:12.730
Two and a Half Men, Hawaii Five-O, CSI. So she
1059
00:56:12.769 --> 00:56:15.750
must have been in something at some point. A lot
1060
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.139
of TV shows. Club Dread.
1061
00:56:17.179 --> 00:56:18.900
Oh, Club Dread. Okay.
1062
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:23.329
She was in Beverly Hills 90210. Oh, I think that's
1063
00:56:23.349 --> 00:56:25.590
what I recognized her from. She was in 71 episodes
1064
00:56:25.630 --> 00:56:32.630
of Beverly Hills 90210. Anywho. So she's wearing white spandex
1065
00:56:32.769 --> 00:56:36.369
and looks really good. And Troy whispers to Angus, I'm
1066
00:56:36.449 --> 00:56:39.679
getting a boner. And Angus looks at him like, what
1067
00:56:39.739 --> 00:56:41.639
is wrong with you? Why would you tell me that?
1068
00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:48.539
And the principal comes up and says, we will now
1069
00:56:48.579 --> 00:56:51.360
announce the votes are in. We are now announcing the
1070
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:55.039
winner of the winter ball king and queen vote and
1071
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.760
to announce the queen will be the captain of the
1072
00:56:57.780 --> 00:57:01.610
football team rick sanford and rick comes up and he
1073
00:57:01.650 --> 00:57:04.909
gives some cheesy speech he's like i'm so happy that
1074
00:57:04.929 --> 00:57:07.449
we're starting our high school career we're meeting new friends
1075
00:57:07.550 --> 00:57:10.550
and you know starting our adult lives and then troy
1076
00:57:10.590 --> 00:57:20.679
just goes i appreciated that And Rick goes, the homecoming
1077
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:25.050
or winter ball queen is, not a surprise, Melissa Lefevre.
1078
00:57:25.610 --> 00:57:33.210
So Melissa Lefevre comes up and accepts the win, I guess.
1079
00:57:33.489 --> 00:57:36.969
And they have a girl come up to announce the king.
1080
00:57:37.329 --> 00:57:39.889
And Troy and Angus are in the crowd. And they go,
1081
00:57:39.969 --> 00:57:41.860
don't have it be Rick. Don't have it be Rick.
1082
00:57:41.900 --> 00:57:44.619
Don't have it be Rick. And the girl opens the
1083
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:49.630
envelope and says the Winter Ball King is... Ryan?
1084
00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:52.610
Angus Bethune?
1085
00:57:54.650 --> 00:57:59.369
And then everyone is in complete stunned silence. Everyone in
1086
00:57:59.409 --> 00:58:03.940
the cafeteria turns and stares directly at Angus. And then
1087
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:06.599
Troy yells out, Holy shit!
1088
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.570
I also love... He does this shocked face the whole movie,
1089
00:58:12.590 --> 00:58:13.809
and I just think it's funny every time.
1090
00:58:14.570 --> 00:58:18.210
Oh yeah and the principal starts to clap but no
1091
00:58:18.269 --> 00:58:21.690
one else does so he awkwardly stops clapping he doesn't
1092
00:58:21.730 --> 00:58:24.800
understand like this is clearly some sort of prank and
1093
00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:27.739
then Troy being Troy being the absolute man he goes
1094
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:28.679
and pulls the fire.
1095
00:58:28.460 --> 00:58:32.320
Alarm such a wonderful move I love when the principal
1096
00:58:32.340 --> 00:58:34.179
is clapping the girl just shakes her head for him
1097
00:58:34.219 --> 00:58:38.619
to stop like you said you don't get this no
1098
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.159
wonderful like Troy is a god that's what I wrote
1099
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:43.190
my only note on that was that yeah.
1100
00:58:43.699 --> 00:58:46.119
And that's where we will leave off. We will continue
1101
00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:49.239
this in part two. Angus was just elected basically the
1102
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.550
homecoming king. As a prank, he immediately realizes. And we
1103
00:58:53.590 --> 00:58:56.969
will continue our Angus conversation and the remainder of the
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00:58:57.030 --> 00:59:00.570
film in part two. Thank you for listening.
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I also completely forgot this was so early in this movie.