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Welcome to the Divine Manifestation Pathway Podcast, where we explore the power of faith, mindset, and manifestation to help you create the life you were designed to live.
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Your host, Constance Arnold, is a renowned global podcaster, author, and spiritual teacher.
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And together, we'll learn how to shift our thinking, align with divine guidance, and intentionally create a life of abundance, purpose, and joy.
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So take a deep breath, get present, and let's step into the pathway of divine manifestation.
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For women only, ladies, before you listen to this powerful episode, I wanted to remind you that I am still teaching and creating a community and coaching women on how to heal, how to love, and how to live out loud.
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So I want you to follow me closely because this is a season, I believe, that God has for us as women to really heal, to really love ourselves and others and love life and then live our life out loud.
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I'm in the process of creating a wonderful community just for women only.
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And if you've never coached with me before, I'm still offering my special one-time coaching introductory offer to you.
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So visit my website, fulfillingyourpurpose.com, and take advantage of this wonderful opportunity.
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So let's take a deep breath and get ready to listen to this powerful show.
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Well, hello everyone, and welcome to the divine manifestation pathway with yours truly, Constance Ernley.
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Y'all know God does have a specific uh manifestation pathway just for you.
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So grateful, so thankful that you made a decision to join me from all over the world.
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Hey, I want to give a special shout out to all of my uh listeners in Australia, down under.
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Thank you guys for your wonderful emails to me.
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And in Africa, what's going on in Africa, South Africa uh um specifically?
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Thank you so much for being a faithful uh listener and follower.
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And I'm so excited about today's show.
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And I believe that if you are listening, it's not an accident.
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The spirit has attracted you here.
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You know, maybe you've been praying, maybe you've been wanting to be elevated higher, and you have been attracted to this show.
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I'm gonna say God has really romanced and enticed you to come to this show so that you can receive exactly what you need.
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Well, guys, I'm looking out of my window.
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Fall is here.
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Guess what?
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It's a beautiful day here in the ATL.
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The sun is shining, and I'm so excited.
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So we're gonna get right to it.
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So we got a bowler in the house today, y'all.
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You know, the Bible says to give honor, to whom honor is due.
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My very special guest is Dr.
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David M.
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Walker.
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He's a leadership speaker, educator, minister, and the the leadership referee, which is a brand born from 25 years officiating the NCAA Division I basketball and a lifetime of developing leaders who lead without waiting for a title, a position, or permission.
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He is known for his powerful intersection, I'm gonna say merging of sports, education, and faith.
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And he's gonna share with us some of the wisdom that he's drawn from the basketball court, from the classroom and from the pulpit to give us some strategies, some how-tos that's gonna help us to move forward.
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Like I said, he has 25 years officiating in CAA Division I basketball, three decades of education, ministry, and leadership is so much more than I could say.
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He's the author of two books, and we're gonna be talking about um how do you develop a champion's mindset?
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Anyone interested?
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What about leadership?
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And what can you do uh during times like these to connect with God and our spirit?
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So we are blessed today.
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Uh, Dr.
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David M.
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Walker, welcome to the Divine Manifestation Pathway Podcast.
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How are you doing?
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Well, Constance, I am super excited about being on your show today.
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And of course, when I was listening to you, uh welcome all of your partners in and your audience from all over the world.
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I heard Australia, I heard Africa.
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Uh instantly.
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Now I've been in the Lord a long time, but instantly, uh, one of my favorite groups, the OJs, came to my mind where they had that song that we on the love train.
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All over the world, going around the world.
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We're on the love train.
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So I feel like I'm on the love train this morning uh with you and your audience.
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Well, wow, we're just gonna get right to it.
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You what a remarkable life.
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I know everything hasn't been perfect.
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What major accomplishments?
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Uh, before I ask my hundreds of questions, tell listeners a little bit more.
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What would surprise listeners about you, about your life and stuff that you've come through?
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Yeah, well, I, you know, when you talk about tell us about your life, I always got to start uh from where I came from.
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You know, I grew up in a place that many of your listeners may know about.
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It's a place called Bedsty in Brooklyn, New York.
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And for anyone who's never heard of Bedsty Brooklyn, it's the home of Biggie and Jay-Z and Chris Rock and Lenny Kravis, Shirley Chisholm.
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There's a whole lot of legendary people who came from Bedsty, Brooklyn.
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And uh Bedsty had a tagline, Constance.
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The tagline was known as Bed Sky Do a Die.
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Yeah, Bedsty.
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I didn't know that.
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Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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And literally what it meant was either you do it or you what?
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You die.
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That was the option that those of us who grew up in Bedsty, Brooklyn, either you do it or you die.
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So, of course, that gave all of us, especially those names that I mentioned, uh uh uh, you know, the energy to say, hey, I can't die.
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I gotta get up, I gotta do something, I gotta find out what's better in life for me.
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And of course, those names that I mentioned, they've done great things.
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And of course, you have to find your own lane.
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You can't follow what Biggie did, you can't follow what Shirley Chisholm did or Lenny Kravis.
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You gotta find your own lane and become your old champion.
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And so, all the things that you mentioned uh in my bio, that's the things that I set out to do.
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But I am a product of Bed Sty, do a die.
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So interesting.
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I never heard that term before.
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Well, you know, Dr.
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Walker, we're living in such interesting times.
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Some people say unprecedented.
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I'm so tired of hearing that word times globally.
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Yes, and one of your books and and and one insight that God has given you is the champion mindset.
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So during times like these, what would you share with people about how do you have the champion mindset?
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And because you were a referee uh for all of those years, yes, I was.
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You know, you were you were calling the game for winners.
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So, what can people do?
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How can they deal with fear?
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How can they deal with all the stuff that's going on in order to kind of get that champion mindset going?
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Yeah, you know, and as you mentioned, I did write a book.
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Um, the audience can see it, see it there in the in the background, The Champion's Mind.
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Uh, the title of the book is The Champion's Mind, uh How to Defeat Giants and Win.
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Ooh, yeah, yeah.
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Let me say it again.
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The Champion's Mind, How to Defeat Giants and Win.
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And that book was really birthed out of my own uh uh journey.
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You know, when I was born in March of 1960, there were no sonograms, no gender reveal parties.
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My mother was expecting me, uh, but she didn't know my gender.
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And her and my dad said, Well, if it's a boy, we're gonna name him Michael.
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Uh when my mother came to her mother, my grandma Martha, and said, Ma, if I have a son, we've decided to name him Michael.
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But after my grandma Martha heard that news, she looked my mother directly in her eye, and this is what she said, his name is David.
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Then she said, Because in the Bible, David was a king, David killed Goliath, and David was a great man, and my grandson will be named David, and he will be a great man.
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So all of my life I've lived in the in the in the reflection and the embodiment of the biblical character, David.
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And of course, everybody knows David was a giant slayer, he killed Goliath.
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But what I discovered that David was greater than just that one act, and I found out that David had six principles, six leadership principles about him.
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And I took those principles, and that's why I put it in this book, The Champion's Mind, to teach people how to become a leader.
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Now, I won't go through all six chapters, but you mentioned uh fear, and as I'm reminded, chapter two talks about being fearless.
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Because in this journey, um, you know, when you set out to do something, you got faith, right?
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We understand.
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I'm not talking about religious faith, I'm talking about faith to believe that you can, but I believe that life offers us two things.
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Number one, it offers us fear, I mean faith, and then it offers us fear.
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And I call faith and fear the fraternal twins of life, right?
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The fraternal twins.
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In other words, they look something alike and they appear approximately at the same time.
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So, so whenever you launch out on something by faith, which I call the elder brother, it comes first.
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Your faith comes first, your faith to believe, your faith to do something great.
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But look up, no, no, no, just as soon as your faith gets in operation, here comes the twin fear.
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And people have to understand that they go hand in hand.
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There is no success without faith and fear.
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The question is, which one are you going to listen to?
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You know, it was Nelson Mandela who said that courage is not the absence of fear, but that I triumph over it.
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So when that fear comes, and the title of the second chapter is just be fearless.
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Know that you have the ability, know that you have the talent, know that you have the God-given insight to do whatever it is, but you must accept fear is gonna show up either before you start the project or after you get out there in the deep waters, like it did with Peter.
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It's gonna show up.
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But the question is, what will you do to overcome that fear?
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You got to trust in the faith and you got to trust in God.
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So, so Dr.
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Walker, can we be fearless?
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Can we choose?
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Can we choose to I'm gonna make a decision, even though I just got downsides from my job, I'm gonna be fearless.
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What would that look like?
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Unpack that for us.
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Yeah.
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Number one, accepting that, let's say the person who loses their job.
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Okay, it is unquestionable that the next thing that comes up is confusion and fear of what's next, right?
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But you will always overcome every fear that you have with one thing, and that's making a decision that you will not allow the fear to get the best of you.
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If you say, Yes, I lost my job, I don't know what tomorrow's gonna bring.
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There's so many unknowns.
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Fear has set in.
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But if I tell that fear, number one, acknowledge fear, don't be afraid of it.
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Don't some people say, I don't have no fear.
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I don't believe that.
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I believe everybody has fear, right?
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Um, um, some people say that uh uh there's an acronym that says fear, false evidence appearing real.
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I don't know whether you heard that.
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Some people heard that false evidence appearing real, but I say that if if fear was not real, Jesus would never have told the disciples to fear not, but he did.
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He told them fear is real, just don't be afraid, don't let it stop you, just have belief.
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So for anyone that's going through anything in life, yes, we acknowledge that fear is real, fear is going to show up, but I have the faith to overcome any fear that shows up in my life because as the scripture said, greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world.
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So, you know, um, for my international listeners, if you don't know who the new new uh New York Knicks are, you need to Google them.
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I think that they had not won a championship in how many?
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I think it might be 50 plus years, 50 plus years, but they uh they really accomplished just a powerful uh victory, yes, but they had to come back from behind, they were like the underdogs, nobody believed in them.
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So, so what would you say to people who feel like, wow, I I need to make a comeback?
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Uh, how how am I gonna be victorious?
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And you know that mindset from being on the court.
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Yeah, what would that look like for somebody in everyday life?
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Yeah, well, the New York Knicks are perfect examples of what it takes to become a champion.
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You you literally said that they were behind every game, and they were seven games, they were behind, and I think it was game number four, they were behind at least by 29 points.
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Yeah, but they found a way to come back and win the game.
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Here's why.
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Number one, when the pressure was on, they allowed themselves to become relaxed, they allowed themselves to say, I will not fear.
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And guess what?
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They allowed themselves to say, we are good enough to come back from this deficit.
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See, the mindset is where we win.
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We win in the mind.
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If the you know, uh uh uh uh if the mind tells you, that's why scripture said, let this mind be in you that was also in Christ, Christ had a mind that would not allow the opposition to get the best of him.
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And so when you're down, when you're when you're an underdog, I might be an underdog, but I can still win.
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But I gotta believe it first.
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Um, David, again, was a giant slayer.
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Why did he defeat the giant?
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Because he believed that he could.
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When other people around him said, we can't defeat the giant because he's too big, he's too strong.
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David, that shepherd boy said, Hey, God has given you into my hands today.
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And that's what people in this audience need to say.
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Whatever it is that you're going for, your goals, your dreams, you have to say, God has given it to me today, and I'm gonna have it.
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So I heard you talk about gifts online that God has given us gifts and talents.
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And so somebody who may uh uh want to get in that whole entrepreneur vibe or go online and be a podcaster or a creator, how can our God given gifts or talents or or even educational credentials?
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How can we take that and market it for money, serve humanity first, but then um also receive money for that?
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Because I told somebody I was interviewing you today, and they were like, asking him about ask him about how can I bring more money into my life.
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So that's my question to you.
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Can we use our gifts and talents?
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How do we know what they are?
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All of the above.
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So if I can be honest, our gifts, and and we all have a gift.
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God has given every single one of us a gift, and he gave it to us at birth.
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And so many people are trying to do what I say, they're trying to discover their gift, right?
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I I don't believe we should discover a gift because when you're trying to discover who you are, a lot of people say, I'm trying to discover.
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I believe that when you're trying to discover your gift, you are looking outside of yourself, you're looking that way, you're looking for it somewhere else.
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You're trying to go and discover.
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Similar to uh, you know, they say Christopher Columbus discovered America.
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That's how the history book said.
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But the truth is, uh Columbus landed in a whole lot of Caribbean islands, and when he got there, he asked, Is this America?
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Because he was trying to discover it.
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And when you try to discover your gift, you're gonna land in places where you shouldn't be.
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But I believe that God wants us to discern our gifts, and when you are discerning it, where are you looking?
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You're looking inside because that's where your gift is.
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Your gift is not outside of you, your gift is in you.
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He has given all of us the same gift, and I just wanted to kind of just a little something from James 1 and 7.
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He says that uh uh good and perfect gifts come down to us from God, that's where we get those gifts from, and they're on the inside.
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Paul said um that that uh he wished that we all would have a gift like him.
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That's what he said, but then he realized that we all have our own gift, and and when you translate that word gift is translated into the word genius.
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See, your gift is your genius, and no one else has your genius, and you gotta put that genius in operation.
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Um, um, and it's like you know, there are two things that are never identical.
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One is a snowflake, no two snowflakes are ever exactly alike, and the other thing that's uh doesn't have a uh an equal is your fingerprint.
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There's no two fingerprints exactly alike, and I want to add one more thing to that your gift.
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No one has your gift, and you got to put your gift out there.
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Now, I want to make clear on this because you asked me, can our gifts get us money?
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Um that was the question that the my listener sent to me.
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Yes.
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And and here's the answer it can, if you use it correctly, but you also still have to understand how money operates.
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How does money operate?
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Okay, money, all right.
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Remember, money is uh a currency, right?
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We know that that is currency.
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In other words, it's designed, it's designed to circulate.
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Um, the wealthy understand money better than the middle class and the poor.
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What the wealthy understand is that money's main objective is to make more money, it's to have babies, right?
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Uh you can have money, but at the end of the month, you don't have no more money.
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Why?
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Because your money hasn't made any babies.
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And and you're just trying to make money to pay bills and to survive.
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But that's not how you're gonna get real money.
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Real money is supposed to be circulated, real money is supposed to be invested, it's supposed to create babies.
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So I can have a gift that's designed to make me money.
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I can use my gift to make money, but if I still don't understand how money works, I won't get the money that I need.
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So you have to have both.
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A gift will will get you in position to make the money, but you have to understand how money flows, how money operates.
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You want to make babies, and then somebody always said this.
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They said, if money knows you don't like it, it won't show up for you.
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Oh, that's good.
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It won't show up for you.
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You gotta make you gotta make friends with money, right?
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You gotta make a friend with money, and not as the scripture said, the love of money.
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We're not talking about that because that's dangerous.
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Uh, but it's okay to love to have money.
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You know, Les Brown said something so funny.
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Les said, you know, everybody said that money ain't that important.
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Important, but then he said, uh, I believe money is right up there with oxygen.
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Exactly.
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And again, if I could use the scripture, money solves all things.
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Yeah, right.
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It solves all things.
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Any problem you had technically, you know, and how many times you know, you you sit down and you there's something that you really want to do, you really want to do, and nine times out of ten, it's gonna take money to do it.
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Oh, yeah.
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And sometimes you look at that bank account and you say, Darn, you know, I don't have enough money for that.
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But what a wonderful thing to have enough money to do exactly whatever it is that you choose to do.
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That's a great feeling.
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Yeah.
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Well, let's get over into your wheel, House.
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You know, you are a leadership guru, and right now we need leadership in our families, in our organizations globally.
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Give listeners just some really powerful insight and revelation into what leadership is, what would that look like?
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What should people do if they are in a leadership position?
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What are some strategies you can give us?
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Yeah, you know, you you mentioned my referee career, yeah, yeah, for 25 years, and of course, I've had many other leadership roles.
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I was an educator in New York City schools for 30 years, a teacher, uh uh assist principal and principal.
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Um, then I was uh a pastor for 15 years, a senior pastor, did that for about 15 years, and then I officiate refereed for 25 years.
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Uh, and I and I want to ref uh reference the referend career.
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You know, every every night when I went out on the floor as a referee, I always had my whistle, right?
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Yeah, and that's before you get started.
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Isn't that a lot of pressure?
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Because you are you are making you're making decisions and determinations that's gonna influence a win, or so you went out with you know under that kind of pressure with your whistle.
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Go ahead.
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Yeah, um, yes, definitely a whole lot of pressure, and that's one of the reasons why I know about leadership because for those 25 years, I made leadership decisions under pressure, you know, and and you know, that spotlight is always on.
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And remember, you know, I didn't have anybody cheering me on every night.
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You know, the the players and the coaches, they got people cheering them on.
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Let's go, let's go.
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When when you're the referee, you know, they only got one word for you that's boo.
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Every decision you make.
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Can you imagine going to work every day and every decision you make, somebody criticize it?
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Lord Jesus.
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But anyway, what I was saying about my whistle is every night I went on out on that floor, that whistle told everyone that I was the leader.
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But I soon discovered that just because I am the leader, it doesn't make me a leader.
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And a lot of people believe, and this is what I talk about a lot in some of my uh keynote talks, I talk about leading without titles because people believe that they need a title, a position, uh, in order to be an effective leader.
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And I don't believe that.
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I believe that, you know, you don't have to have a title to lead.
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You don't have to have a permission to lead.
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All you need is initiative, all you need to see the issues and the problems within an organization and just fill the gaps as needed.
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So I talk about, you know, leading without titles, leading uh without without permission.
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But I have a saying, and I want to get it out here because a lot again, because a lot of people feel like, well, I need a title to lead.
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And I say that uh leadership is not the title you hold, but it's the presence that you carry.
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Whoa, say that again.
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Yeah, leadership is not the title you hold, it's the presence you carry.
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Because it's the presence that you have is what changes people, it was it what it's what changes the atmosphere, not your title.
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You know, some people have titles on the on the on the door, and sometimes people's influence is the title.
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People are gonna do what they do because they, you know, it says CEO on your door.
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But what happens if you did you didn't have a title, but you got people to you know to lead or to do whatever it is they were supposed to do based on your influence, and that's what real leadership is.
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You know, that's what leadership.
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Let me just quote uh John Maxwell, where he said, uh leadership is influence, nothing more and nothing less.
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It's about influence.
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Who are you influencing in your organization?
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Who are you influencing at your church, in your business?
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It's not about your title.
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Put that title aside and put your whistle aside, and that is how people are gonna know whether or not you're a real leader by the influence or the presence, because you definitely need presence.
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You mentioned John Maxwell, he teaches on servant leadership, right?
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Yeah, explain that to listeners.
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What does that mean?
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Yes, servant leadership is is sort of uh a brother, a sister to something that I'm going to talk about in a few minutes.
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Okay, because because that term servant leadership, what it actually means is that most leaders feel like it's their job to kind of stand on the mountain and let everybody else do the work.
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But when you are a servant leader, you understand that, like Jesus said, the greatest among us shall be the servant.
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So my title is CEO.
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But because I'm a servant leader, I'm willing to get amongst my employees and help with whatever needs to be done.
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I don't sit on my high horse, I don't sit on my throne or my crown, I don't sit in the big office, I get out amongst our people.
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If I could just talk about a principal we had in New York City, he never stayed in his office.
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Every day he was in the halls, he would visit classrooms.
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Um, and and and what he was doing was he was understanding that I gotta get out.
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I can't keep sitting in this office.
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So he would help people in the halls, help people in classrooms, and that's what a servant leader is: a person who has a high position, but yet they're they're willing to get down on their uh if I could use Jesus as a reference when he washed the disciples' feet, right?
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He didn't have to do that because he was king of king and lords of lords.
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But he came, as he said, to serve, not to be propped up as a king.
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He came to serve, and so that's what a servant leader is a person who's in leadership, but they're willing to serve among the people.
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You know, there's something powerful about serving, even in business.
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You know, they're saying now that when you serve people and give them an unforgettable experience, you always have a repeat customer.
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Absolutely true.
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And uh, of course, organizations like a Chick-fil-A, yeah, uh, I'll just use them, they are quintessential in terms of customer service.
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When when you walk in that place every time, it's always like, How can I help you?
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Thank you, ma'am, how can I serve you?
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All those kinds of things.
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And any organization, any church, that's why a good church is going to have uh what they call them at the doors, uh, greeters.
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Greeters, uh-huh.
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Yeah, talking to people, helping people out.
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When a person looks confused, give them directions.
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I'll never forget one time I went to a church, it was a church, the house of God, and I asked somebody, whether it was a man or woman, I can't remember.
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I said, uh, can you tell me where the bathroom is?
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And they pointed, say, say, go that way.
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And I and it was like, go that way around the corner, down the block, one of them numbers.
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And I thought, like, the greatest thing they could have said to me was, Oh, I'll show you where it is.
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Yeah, that would have been far more powerful than say, go down, make a right and then a left and da-da-da.
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Because it, you know, that's just not good customer service.
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So, whether it's your business, your organization, your church, you will succeed to the level of your customer service.
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That is so true.
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So, so so for people who are going through something right now, yeah.
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Everybody, you know, like I said earlier, job, the world changing, what used to be is not anymore, what you thought would be divorce.
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How can we bring faith in God in this?
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And I know a lot of my listeners say, Well, I don't believe in church.
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Well, we're talking about spirit, we're talking about whatever you believe in.
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So, how can people do in times like these connect with God and understand how they still can live an amazing life?
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What would that look like?
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Yeah, um, you know, as you ask that question, um, I'm gonna give you a personal testimony on this one.
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Um, I was married for 42 years, and about eight months ago, the divorce was final.
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And I don't know anyone else who can talk about being married for so many years and having a partner for a total of 45 years, and once you've been with anybody, especially that length of time, there's a synergy and a connection with a person.
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And then one day you wake up and it's over.
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And now you have all these questions, questions for yourself, and of course, questions for God.
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Yeah, and the number one question that everybody asks God when they go through something is why?
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Why did I go through this?
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What was it for?
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What did I do?
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Or or and especially when you spend so many times trying to do right.
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You know, when you talk about all those accolades, you know, and and in my personal life, I was a husband and a father.
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Now I'm a grandfather, an educator, and you're doing all those things right, but yet you still found yourself uh divorced with a person wanting to leave the marriage.
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And it was out of my control.
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And ultimately, and like you say, well, what do you do in those scenarios?
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Of course, you can get angry with God, uh, you can stop going to church, all those different things.
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But I've allowed God to be preeminent over my life and knowing that God oversees both the good and the bad.
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And it's not enough to serve God and worship God in the good.
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You also have to have a trust and the faith of God during the difficult times of life.
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When those things that happen that you cannot explain, you don't know the why, and now as a as a man who is married for 42 years and 66 years of age, what is my future like?
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What am I supposed to do next?
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And uh I've had some depressive days and some uh challenging days, like I have no idea.
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But here's what I here's what I will not do, no matter what I go through.
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I will not blame God and I will not leave God.
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And I'm gonna trust that God is with me like he has always been.
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I don't believe that in this moment he has left me in any, no matter what kind of confusing moments I have, um, but I know that God is there.
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So if I was gonna send a message to anyone today, especially after this personal experience, because for so many years as a pastor, I had to comfort other people.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I had to listen to people sit in front of me and talk about the issues that they were going through in their marriage, and now that same life issue or life tragedy fell at my door.
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And the question is, Pastor Dave, what are you gonna do with it now?
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Well, I'm gonna keep trusting, keep believing, keep holding on, and keep allowing my faith to help to cultivate me.
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And then, of course, asking God to guide me into whatever my life is in the future.
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But I told the devil, I will not go into the corner and die.
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I'm not doing that because either I only have, you know, going back to that bedstead, do or die.
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Guess what?
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Either I do or what?
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You die, yeah.
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You know what I'm saying?
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And we're not gonna let that happen.
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I don't know what the do is going to be going forward, but here's one thing I do know I'm not gonna die.
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Wow.
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Thank you for your vulnerability, thank you for your honesty.
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That's more important than any strategy, and especially coming from a male, a strong alpha male.
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You know, I I I tell as a therapist, I tell people, I said, I really feel for guys because somebody said there's a lot of silent desperation in men because the pressure that's on you guys to perform and to accomplish and to always be on top of things.
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But I also have a mentor who said, God loves to be with us in the perceived low, God loves to be with us and is with us, and for my other listeners, you know, spirit loves to be with us and is with us in the perceived low places of our lives.
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Yeah, that that's so good, and so for anyone who is going through anything, uh, your story is so compelling and is so raw, so new and so real, that story alone will really give people hope.
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And that's what people need.
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Need hope, sure.
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Sure.
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And even the fact that you admitted as a man, as a male, that you had gone through depression.
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Thank you so much for that, because people think that success looks like perfection.
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Somebody said to me, You're always on top of your game.
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I'm like, no, I'm not.
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You were not with me last week when I was lying in the floor crying.
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Where were you?
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Always so motivated.
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No, I'm not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so your honesty, and I just want to say to listeners, you know, hope.
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I was joking, hope is a powerful force.
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I was jokingly saying to uh Dr.
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Walker that in Atlanta on Monday it was 90 degrees, and then at the end of the week it's like 50 something.
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And I said, I'm gonna do a video on just like the weather changes quickly, in the twinkling of an eye, yes, your life can shift and change.
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Yeah, and and and let me just add, and then the question becomes what are you gonna do about it when it does change?
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What is your response, you know?
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Um, and going back to that statement I made about the pastor, how many sessions did I have encouraging other people to hold on, to hang in there, be strong, you know what I'm saying?
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And then here it is at my door, right?
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And yes, and guess what I did?
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I fortified myself with other people who could speak into my life.
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I didn't try to do it on my own, I didn't try to do it on my own.
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Uh, a couple of pastors that I had pulled in to get that spiritual insight.
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Then I here's something else that I did.
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Went to counseling.
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You mentioned counseling.
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I believe in it, I believe in it wholeheartedly.
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Um, that you gotta you gotta talk, you gotta get it out, and you need professional help.
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Sometimes you need spiritual help, but sometimes, but you need professional help too.
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Um, some learned people who know how the mind works and how you know psychological issues and and what you're dealing with.
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And that was very eye-opening, uh, having a counselor and speak to things because there are things that remember, most of my training was from a spiritual and pastoral lens.
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Yeah.
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But you also need professional guidance to help you to talk about trauma and childhood traumas and the things that you go through and don't even realize it.
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You know, people can go through a whole life and not realize all the things that have happened to them.
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So true, so true.
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And I'm a counselor, and I'm just a big proponent that they're saying now that by the time we're eight years old, whatever we have experienced, seen, caught, or heard has formed who we are.
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And then by the time you're 12 or 13, then that's it.
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And so trauma uh and dysfunctional family systems and perceptions and the ways of doing stuff, we take that throughout our whole lives and we're oblivious that we're even walking in all of that.
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Absolutely, and sometimes we only do what we've seen or was taught, whether it be right or wrong, you know, and that's why it's important to you know investigate, get out, be open-minded, be willing to shift and change because everything that we were taught was not always right.
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So true, so true.
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So, all of my male listeners, guys, you have exhibit a right here of an alpha male, a spiritual man who has been very vulnerable and real.
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And I'm gonna say to all of you, reach out and get the help you need.
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If you need, if you feel that you're more comfortable with a male, do that.
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But don't don't just sit in silence and in desperation and hold all of that stuff in, ladies.
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As you are watching and are listening to the pot this podcast, share this with your husband, your brother, your friends, because men desperately need to understand that there's no shame.
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No shame.
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No shame in needing and reaching out for help.
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Yep.
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Wow.
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So lastly, what would you like to leave with with listeners and followers?
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And then how can people reach you?
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Uh, are you still speaking?
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Um, yes, how can they contact you, etc.
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Well, the thing that I would like to leave is anything that you're going through, it's not over unless you determine that it's over.
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That's good.
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As long as you have hope, as long as you believe in yourself, as long as you believe in God, as the scripture says, with God all things are possible.
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Um, which obviously then tells us that with it doesn't say with man all things are possible, but it does say with God.
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And it would be suggested to us that we can't live this life without Him.
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You have to be connected to Him.
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Um, so as long as you believe that there's hope, and as long as you make the decision to keep going, um, the outcome will always work out in your favor.
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And even, and of course, when I say something like that, it doesn't mean that everything works out because sometimes in business or life, you know, you may set out to do one thing, but it still doesn't mean that it's over.
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You sometimes you may have to make adjustments, right?
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And or recalculate.
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Um, but it's the person who just says I'm done, that's the person who loses.
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As long as you keep saying, I'm gonna hang in there, I'm gonna fight, uh, I'm gonna decide to continue.
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Um, that's how you become a champion, and that's what I wrote this book for: The Champion's Mind, How to Defeat Giants and Win.
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Um, it's all about being that champion.
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David did seven things in that book that helped him to be the champion that he was.
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But it's not just a book about uh about David, but it is a book about leadership, right?
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Leading, leading an organization, leading a church, leading a school.
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Those seven principles are timeless in that book.
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Um, for those of you who like to contact me, you can reach me on my website at drwalkerspeaks.com.
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That's dr dr, drwalkerspeaks.com.
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That's my website.
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Or you can get me on anywhere on social media at dr dr, david m walker.
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Dr David M.
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Walker on all social media platforms.
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I love to connect with you.
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And if you have a a school, a church, a business, and you're looking for a motivational speaker.
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Um, I do motivational talks and I talk about leading from where you are.
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You don't need a title, you don't need a uh a position, you don't even need permission.
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If you see it and got and and and that organization needs you to step in, fill gaps, step in and fill that gap, and you'll make your organization, your company a whole lot better.
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I tell you what, this has been so amazing.
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This show is really gonna shift and change.
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So thank you so much, Dr.
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Walker.
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So, guys, y'all go to his website.
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By the way, your website is awesome.
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He got I he got some free gifts there, right?
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I think I saw a couple of things where you could download for free.
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You see, he's the real deal, he's he's raw, he's authentic.
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That's what we need.
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He knows about leadership.
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I mean, if you got an organizational meeting, I'm sure he can align his his uh speech with uh you know the the with the miss the mission I got that out of your organization.
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So email him.
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Uh there's a place where you can complete a form if if you want to book him.
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And Dr.
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Walker, thank you so much.
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You are amazing.
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Thank you so and thank thank you for Pam Perry.
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Pam is my girl.
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That's a good friend.
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Pam Pam is is the is the the PR a person that be sending me some great people.
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So, folks, this is what we want to do.
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We want to get this out, especially to males.
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Um, and I want 1,000 people to share this on your timeline or share this on social media.
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You know, you be scrolling all of the time anyway.
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Let's get this good news.
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You're talking about the good news of the gospel.
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Let's get this good news out.
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Uh, share this with your coworkers.
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Like I said, your brothers, your siblings.
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You never know what people are going through and are experiencing.
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So every week, uh, as I say at the end, guys, um, you know, the same energy and power that created the solar system, the galaxies that keeps the sun coming up in the east and going down in the west.
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That same spirit, that same power, that same energy is on the inside of you.
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I want you to tap into it because it's on the inside and create an amazing week.
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Have a great week, everybody.
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Welcome to the Divine Manifestation Pathway Podcast, where we explore the power of faith, mindset, and manifestation to help you create the life you were designed to live.
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Your host, Constance Arnold, is a renowned global podcaster, author, and spiritual teacher.
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And together, we'll learn how to shift our thinking, align with divine guidance, and intentionally create a life of abundance, purpose, and joy.
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So take a deep breath, get present, and let's step into the pathway of divine manifestation.
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For women only, ladies, before you listen to this powerful episode, I wanted to remind you that I am still teaching and creating a community and coaching women on how to heal, how to love, and how to live out loud.
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So I want you to follow me closely because this is a season, I believe, that God has for us as women to really heal, to really love ourselves and others and love life and then live our life out loud.
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I'm in the process of creating a wonderful community just for women only.
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And if you've never coached with me before, I'm still offering my special one-time coaching introductory offer to you.
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So visit my website, fulfillingyourpurpose.com, and take advantage of this wonderful opportunity.
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So let's take a deep breath and get ready to listen to this powerful show.
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Well, hello everyone, and welcome to the divine manifestation pathway with yours truly, Constance Ernley.
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Y'all know God does have a specific uh manifestation pathway just for you.
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So grateful, so thankful that you made a decision to join me from all over the world.
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Hey, I want to give a special shout out to all of my uh listeners in Australia, down under.
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Thank you guys for your wonderful emails to me.
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And in Africa, what's going on in Africa, South Africa uh um specifically?
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Thank you so much for being a faithful uh listener and follower.
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And I'm so excited about today's show.
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And I believe that if you are listening, it's not an accident.
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The spirit has attracted you here.
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You know, maybe you've been praying, maybe you've been wanting to be elevated higher, and you have been attracted to this show.
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I'm gonna say God has really romanced and enticed you to come to this show so that you can receive exactly what you need.
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Well, guys, I'm looking out of my window.
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Fall is here.
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Guess what?
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It's a beautiful day here in the ATL.
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The sun is shining, and I'm so excited.
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So we're gonna get right to it.
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So follow me on all of my platforms on Instagram, on TikTok, on Facebook.
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It's the Divine Manifestation Pathway.
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Subscribe to my YouTube channel, and um I upload reels at least two to three times a week.
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You know, now you're gonna need something more than just a one-minute reel to help you, but it can inspire you, motivate you, and additionally, I have long, longer content.
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You can purchase my books also on Amazon, and I think that is it.
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So we got a bowler in the house today, y'all.
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You know, the Bible says to give honor, to whom honor is due.
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My very special guest is Dr.
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David M.
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Walker.
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He's a leadership speaker, educator, minister, and the the leadership referee, which is a brand born from 25 years officiating the NCAA Division I basketball and a lifetime of developing leaders who lead without waiting for a title, a position, or permission.
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He is known for his powerful intersection, I'm gonna say merging of sports, education, and faith.
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And he's gonna share with us some of the wisdom that he's drawn from the basketball court, from the classroom and from the pulpit to give us some strategies, some how-tos that's gonna help us to move forward.
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Like I said, he has 25 years officiating in CAA Division I basketball, three decades of education, ministry, and leadership is so much more than I could say.
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He's the author of two books, and we're gonna be talking about um how do you develop a champion's mindset?
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Anyone interested?
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What about leadership?
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And what can you do uh during times like these to connect with God and our spirit?
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So we are blessed today.
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Uh, Dr.
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David M.
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Walker, welcome to the Divine Manifestation Pathway Podcast.
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How are you doing?
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Well, Constance, I am super excited about being on your show today.
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And of course, when I was listening to you, uh welcome all of your partners in and your audience from all over the world.
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I heard Australia, I heard Africa.
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Uh instantly.
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Now I've been in the Lord a long time, but instantly, uh, one of my favorite groups, the OJs, came to my mind where they had that song that we on the love train.
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All over the world, going around the world.
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We're on the love train.
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So I feel like I'm on the love train this morning uh with you and your audience.
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Well, wow, we're just gonna get right to it.
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You what a remarkable life.
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I know everything hasn't been perfect.
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What major accomplishments?
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Uh, before I ask my hundreds of questions, tell listeners a little bit more.
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What would surprise listeners about you, about your life and stuff that you've come through?
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Yeah, well, I, you know, when you talk about tell us about your life, I always got to start uh from where I came from.
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You know, I grew up in a place that many of your listeners may know about.
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It's a place called Bedsty in Brooklyn, New York.
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And for anyone who's never heard of Bedsty Brooklyn, it's the home of Biggie and Jay-Z and Chris Rock and Lenny Kravis, Shirley Chisholm.
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There's a whole lot of legendary people who came from Bedsty, Brooklyn.
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And uh Bedsty had a tagline, Constance.
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The tagline was known as Bed Sky Do a Die.
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Yeah, Bedsty.
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I didn't know that.
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Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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And literally what it meant was either you do it or you what?
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You die.
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That was the option that those of us who grew up in Bedsty, Brooklyn, either you do it or you die.
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So, of course, that gave all of us, especially those names that I mentioned, uh uh uh, you know, the energy to say, hey, I can't die.
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I gotta get up, I gotta do something, I gotta find out what's better in life for me.
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And of course, those names that I mentioned, they've done great things.
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And of course, you have to find your own lane.
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You can't follow what Biggie did, you can't follow what Shirley Chisholm did or Lenny Kravis.
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You gotta find your own lane and become your old champion.
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And so, all the things that you mentioned uh in my bio, that's the things that I set out to do.
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But I am a product of Bed Sty, do a die.
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So interesting.
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I never heard that term before.
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Well, you know, Dr.
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Walker, we're living in such interesting times.
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Some people say unprecedented.
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I'm so tired of hearing that word times globally.
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Yes, and one of your books and and and one insight that God has given you is the champion mindset.
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So during times like these, what would you share with people about how do you have the champion mindset?
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And because you were a referee uh for all of those years, yes, I was.
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You know, you were you were calling the game for winners.
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So, what can people do?
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How can they deal with fear?
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How can they deal with all the stuff that's going on in order to kind of get that champion mindset going?
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Yeah, you know, and as you mentioned, I did write a book.
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Um, the audience can see it, see it there in the in the background, The Champion's Mind.
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Uh, the title of the book is The Champion's Mind, uh How to Defeat Giants and Win.
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Ooh, yeah, yeah.
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Let me say it again.
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The Champion's Mind, How to Defeat Giants and Win.
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And that book was really birthed out of my own uh uh journey.
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You know, when I was born in March of 1960, there were no sonograms, no gender reveal parties.
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My mother was expecting me, uh, but she didn't know my gender.
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And her and my dad said, Well, if it's a boy, we're gonna name him Michael.
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Uh when my mother came to her mother, my grandma Martha, and said, Ma, if I have a son, we've decided to name him Michael.
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But after my grandma Martha heard that news, she looked my mother directly in her eye, and this is what she said, his name is David.
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Then she said, Because in the Bible, David was a king, David killed Goliath, and David was a great man, and my grandson will be named David, and he will be a great man.
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So all of my life I've lived in the in the in the reflection and the embodiment of the biblical character, David.
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And of course, everybody knows David was a giant slayer, he killed Goliath.
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But what I discovered that David was greater than just that one act, and I found out that David had six principles, six leadership principles about him.
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And I took those principles, and that's why I put it in this book, The Champion's Mind, to teach people how to become a leader.
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Now, I won't go through all six chapters, but you mentioned uh fear, and as I'm reminded, chapter two talks about being fearless.
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Because in this journey, um, you know, when you set out to do something, you got faith, right?
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We understand.
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I'm not talking about religious faith, I'm talking about faith to believe that you can, but I believe that life offers us two things.
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Number one, it offers us fear, I mean faith, and then it offers us fear.
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And I call faith and fear the fraternal twins of life, right?
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The fraternal twins.
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In other words, they look something alike and they appear approximately at the same time.
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So, so whenever you launch out on something by faith, which I call the elder brother, it comes first.
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Your faith comes first, your faith to believe, your faith to do something great.
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But look up, no, no, no, just as soon as your faith gets in operation, here comes the twin fear.
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And people have to understand that they go hand in hand.
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There is no success without faith and fear.
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The question is, which one are you going to listen to?
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You know, it was Nelson Mandela who said that courage is not the absence of fear, but that I triumph over it.
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So when that fear comes, and the title of the second chapter is just be fearless.
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Know that you have the ability, know that you have the talent, know that you have the God-given insight to do whatever it is, but you must accept fear is gonna show up either before you start the project or after you get out there in the deep waters, like it did with Peter.
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It's gonna show up.
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But the question is, what will you do to overcome that fear?
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You got to trust in the faith and you got to trust in God.
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So, so Dr.
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Walker, can we be fearless?
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Can we choose?
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Can we choose to I'm gonna make a decision, even though I just got downsides from my job, I'm gonna be fearless.
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What would that look like?
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Unpack that for us.
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Yeah.
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Number one, accepting that, let's say the person who loses their job.
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Okay, it is unquestionable that the next thing that comes up is confusion and fear of what's next, right?
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But you will always overcome every fear that you have with one thing, and that's making a decision that you will not allow the fear to get the best of you.
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If you say, Yes, I lost my job, I don't know what tomorrow's gonna bring.
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There's so many unknowns.
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Fear has set in.
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But if I tell that fear, number one, acknowledge fear, don't be afraid of it.
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Don't some people say, I don't have no fear.
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I don't believe that.
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I believe everybody has fear, right?
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Um, um, some people say that uh uh there's an acronym that says fear, false evidence appearing real.
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I don't know whether you heard that.
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Some people heard that false evidence appearing real, but I say that if if fear was not real, Jesus would never have told the disciples to fear not, but he did.
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He told them fear is real, just don't be afraid, don't let it stop you, just have belief.
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So for anyone that's going through anything in life, yes, we acknowledge that fear is real, fear is going to show up, but I have the faith to overcome any fear that shows up in my life because as the scripture said, greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world.
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So, you know, um, for my international listeners, if you don't know who the new new uh New York Knicks are, you need to Google them.
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I think that they had not won a championship in how many?
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I think it might be 50 plus years, 50 plus years, but they uh they really accomplished just a powerful uh victory, yes, but they had to come back from behind, they were like the underdogs, nobody believed in them.
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So, so what would you say to people who feel like, wow, I I need to make a comeback?
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Uh, how how am I gonna be victorious?
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And you know that mindset from being on the court.
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Yeah, what would that look like for somebody in everyday life?
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Yeah, well, the New York Knicks are perfect examples of what it takes to become a champion.
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You you literally said that they were behind every game, and they were seven games, they were behind, and I think it was game number four, they were behind at least by 29 points.
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Yeah, but they found a way to come back and win the game.
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Here's why.
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Number one, when the pressure was on, they allowed themselves to become relaxed, they allowed themselves to say, I will not fear.
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And guess what?
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They allowed themselves to say, we are good enough to come back from this deficit.
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See, the mindset is where we win.
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We win in the mind.
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If the you know, uh uh uh uh if the mind tells you, that's why scripture said, let this mind be in you that was also in Christ, Christ had a mind that would not allow the opposition to get the best of him.
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And so when you're down, when you're when you're an underdog, I might be an underdog, but I can still win.
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But I gotta believe it first.
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Um, David, again, was a giant slayer.
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Why did he defeat the giant?
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Because he believed that he could.
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When other people around him said, we can't defeat the giant because he's too big, he's too strong.
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David, that shepherd boy said, Hey, God has given you into my hands today.
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And that's what people in this audience need to say.
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Whatever it is that you're going for, your goals, your dreams, you have to say, God has given it to me today, and I'm gonna have it.
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So I heard you talk about gifts online that God has given us gifts and talents.
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And so somebody who may uh uh want to get in that whole entrepreneur vibe or go online and be a podcaster or a creator, how can our God given gifts or talents or or even educational credentials?
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How can we take that and market it for money, serve humanity first, but then um also receive money for that?
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Because I told somebody I was interviewing you today, and they were like, asking him about ask him about how can I bring more money into my life.
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So that's my question to you.
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Can we use our gifts and talents?
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How do we know what they are?
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All of the above.
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So if I can be honest, our gifts, and and we all have a gift.
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God has given every single one of us a gift, and he gave it to us at birth.
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And so many people are trying to do what I say, they're trying to discover their gift, right?
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I I don't believe we should discover a gift because when you're trying to discover who you are, a lot of people say, I'm trying to discover.
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I believe that when you're trying to discover your gift, you are looking outside of yourself, you're looking that way, you're looking for it somewhere else.
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You're trying to go and discover.
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Similar to uh, you know, they say Christopher Columbus discovered America.
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That's how the history book said.
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But the truth is, uh Columbus landed in a whole lot of Caribbean islands, and when he got there, he asked, Is this America?
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Because he was trying to discover it.
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And when you try to discover your gift, you're gonna land in places where you shouldn't be.
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But I believe that God wants us to discern our gifts, and when you are discerning it, where are you looking?
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You're looking inside because that's where your gift is.
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Your gift is not outside of you, your gift is in you.
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He has given all of us the same gift, and I just wanted to kind of just a little something from James 1 and 7.
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He says that uh uh good and perfect gifts come down to us from God, that's where we get those gifts from, and they're on the inside.
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Paul said um that that uh he wished that we all would have a gift like him.
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That's what he said, but then he realized that we all have our own gift, and and when you translate that word gift is translated into the word genius.
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See, your gift is your genius, and no one else has your genius, and you gotta put that genius in operation.
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Um, um, and it's like you know, there are two things that are never identical.
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One is a snowflake, no two snowflakes are ever exactly alike, and the other thing that's uh doesn't have a uh an equal is your fingerprint.
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There's no two fingerprints exactly alike, and I want to add one more thing to that your gift.
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No one has your gift, and you got to put your gift out there.
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Now, I want to make clear on this because you asked me, can our gifts get us money?
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Um that was the question that the my listener sent to me.
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Yes.
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And and here's the answer it can, if you use it correctly, but you also still have to understand how money operates.
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How does money operate?
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Okay, money, all right.
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Remember, money is uh a currency, right?
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We know that that is currency.
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In other words, it's designed, it's designed to circulate.
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Um, the wealthy understand money better than the middle class and the poor.
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What the wealthy understand is that money's main objective is to make more money, it's to have babies, right?
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Uh you can have money, but at the end of the month, you don't have no more money.
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Why?
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Because your money hasn't made any babies.
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And and you're just trying to make money to pay bills and to survive.
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But that's not how you're gonna get real money.
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Real money is supposed to be circulated, real money is supposed to be invested, it's supposed to create babies.
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So I can have a gift that's designed to make me money.
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I can use my gift to make money, but if I still don't understand how money works, I won't get the money that I need.
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So you have to have both.
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A gift will will get you in position to make the money, but you have to understand how money flows, how money operates.
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You want to make babies, and then somebody always said this.
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They said, if money knows you don't like it, it won't show up for you.
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Oh, that's good.
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It won't show up for you.
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You gotta make you gotta make friends with money, right?
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You gotta make a friend with money, and not as the scripture said, the love of money.
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We're not talking about that because that's dangerous.
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Uh, but it's okay to love to have money.
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You know, Les Brown said something so funny.
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Les said, you know, everybody said that money ain't that important.
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Important, but then he said, uh, I believe money is right up there with oxygen.
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Exactly.
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And again, if I could use the scripture, money solves all things.
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Yeah, right.
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It solves all things.
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Any problem you had technically, you know, and how many times you know, you you sit down and you there's something that you really want to do, you really want to do, and nine times out of ten, it's gonna take money to do it.
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Oh, yeah.
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And sometimes you look at that bank account and you say, Darn, you know, I don't have enough money for that.
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But what a wonderful thing to have enough money to do exactly whatever it is that you choose to do.
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That's a great feeling.
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Yeah.
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Well, let's get over into your wheel, House.
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You know, you are a leadership guru, and right now we need leadership in our families, in our organizations globally.
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Give listeners just some really powerful insight and revelation into what leadership is, what would that look like?
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What should people do if they are in a leadership position?
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What are some strategies you can give us?
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Yeah, you know, you you mentioned my referee career, yeah, yeah, for 25 years, and of course, I've had many other leadership roles.
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I was an educator in New York City schools for 30 years, a teacher, uh uh assist principal and principal.
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Um, then I was uh a pastor for 15 years, a senior pastor, did that for about 15 years, and then I officiate refereed for 25 years.
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Uh, and I and I want to ref uh reference the referend career.
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You know, every every night when I went out on the floor as a referee, I always had my whistle, right?
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Yeah, and that's before you get started.
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Isn't that a lot of pressure?
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Because you are you are making you're making decisions and determinations that's gonna influence a win, or so you went out with you know under that kind of pressure with your whistle.
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Go ahead.
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Yeah, um, yes, definitely a whole lot of pressure, and that's one of the reasons why I know about leadership because for those 25 years, I made leadership decisions under pressure, you know, and and you know, that spotlight is always on.
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And remember, you know, I didn't have anybody cheering me on every night.
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You know, the the players and the coaches, they got people cheering them on.
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Let's go, let's go.
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When when you're the referee, you know, they only got one word for you that's boo.
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Every decision you make.
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Can you imagine going to work every day and every decision you make, somebody criticize it?
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Lord Jesus.
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But anyway, what I was saying about my whistle is every night I went on out on that floor, that whistle told everyone that I was the leader.
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But I soon discovered that just because I am the leader, it doesn't make me a leader.
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And a lot of people believe, and this is what I talk about a lot in some of my uh keynote talks, I talk about leading without titles because people believe that they need a title, a position, uh, in order to be an effective leader.
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And I don't believe that.
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I believe that, you know, you don't have to have a title to lead.
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You don't have to have a permission to lead.
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All you need is initiative, all you need to see the issues and the problems within an organization and just fill the gaps as needed.
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So I talk about, you know, leading without titles, leading uh without without permission.
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But I have a saying, and I want to get it out here because a lot again, because a lot of people feel like, well, I need a title to lead.
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And I say that uh leadership is not the title you hold, but it's the presence that you carry.
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Whoa, say that again.
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Yeah, leadership is not the title you hold, it's the presence you carry.
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Because it's the presence that you have is what changes people, it was it what it's what changes the atmosphere, not your title.
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You know, some people have titles on the on the on the door, and sometimes people's influence is the title.
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People are gonna do what they do because they, you know, it says CEO on your door.
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But what happens if you did you didn't have a title, but you got people to you know to lead or to do whatever it is they were supposed to do based on your influence, and that's what real leadership is.
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You know, that's what leadership.
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Let me just quote uh John Maxwell, where he said, uh leadership is influence, nothing more and nothing less.
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It's about influence.
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Who are you influencing in your organization?
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Who are you influencing at your church, in your business?
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It's not about your title.
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Put that title aside and put your whistle aside, and that is how people are gonna know whether or not you're a real leader by the influence or the presence, because you definitely need presence.
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You mentioned John Maxwell, he teaches on servant leadership, right?
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Yeah, explain that to listeners.
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What does that mean?
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Yes, servant leadership is is sort of uh a brother, a sister to something that I'm going to talk about in a few minutes.
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Okay, because because that term servant leadership, what it actually means is that most leaders feel like it's their job to kind of stand on the mountain and let everybody else do the work.
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But when you are a servant leader, you understand that, like Jesus said, the greatest among us shall be the servant.
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So my title is CEO.
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But because I'm a servant leader, I'm willing to get amongst my employees and help with whatever needs to be done.
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I don't sit on my high horse, I don't sit on my throne or my crown, I don't sit in the big office, I get out amongst our people.
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If I could just talk about a principal we had in New York City, he never stayed in his office.
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Every day he was in the halls, he would visit classrooms.
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Um, and and and what he was doing was he was understanding that I gotta get out.
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I can't keep sitting in this office.
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So he would help people in the halls, help people in classrooms, and that's what a servant leader is: a person who has a high position, but yet they're they're willing to get down on their uh if I could use Jesus as a reference when he washed the disciples' feet, right?
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He didn't have to do that because he was king of king and lords of lords.
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But he came, as he said, to serve, not to be propped up as a king.
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He came to serve, and so that's what a servant leader is a person who's in leadership, but they're willing to serve among the people.
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You know, there's something powerful about serving, even in business.
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You know, they're saying now that when you serve people and give them an unforgettable experience, you always have a repeat customer.
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Absolutely true.
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And uh, of course, organizations like a Chick-fil-A, yeah, uh, I'll just use them, they are quintessential in terms of customer service.
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When when you walk in that place every time, it's always like, How can I help you?
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Thank you, ma'am, how can I serve you?
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All those kinds of things.
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And any organization, any church, that's why a good church is going to have uh what they call them at the doors, uh, greeters.
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Greeters, uh-huh.
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Yeah, talking to people, helping people out.
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When a person looks confused, give them directions.
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I'll never forget one time I went to a church, it was a church, the house of God, and I asked somebody, whether it was a man or woman, I can't remember.
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I said, uh, can you tell me where the bathroom is?
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And they pointed, say, say, go that way.
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And I and it was like, go that way around the corner, down the block, one of them numbers.
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And I thought, like, the greatest thing they could have said to me was, Oh, I'll show you where it is.
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Yeah, that would have been far more powerful than say, go down, make a right and then a left and da-da-da.
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Because it, you know, that's just not good customer service.
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So, whether it's your business, your organization, your church, you will succeed to the level of your customer service.
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That is so true.
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So, so so for people who are going through something right now, yeah.
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Everybody, you know, like I said earlier, job, the world changing, what used to be is not anymore, what you thought would be divorce.
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How can we bring faith in God in this?
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And I know a lot of my listeners say, Well, I don't believe in church.
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Well, we're talking about spirit, we're talking about whatever you believe in.
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So, how can people do in times like these connect with God and understand how they still can live an amazing life?
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What would that look like?
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Yeah, um, you know, as you ask that question, um, I'm gonna give you a personal testimony on this one.
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Um, I was married for 42 years, and about eight months ago, the divorce was final.
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And I don't know anyone else who can talk about being married for so many years and having a partner for a total of 45 years, and once you've been with anybody, especially that length of time, there's a synergy and a connection with a person.
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And then one day you wake up and it's over.
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And now you have all these questions, questions for yourself, and of course, questions for God.
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Yeah, and the number one question that everybody asks God when they go through something is why?
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Why did I go through this?
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What was it for?
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What did I do?
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Or or and especially when you spend so many times trying to do right.
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You know, when you talk about all those accolades, you know, and and in my personal life, I was a husband and a father.
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Now I'm a grandfather, an educator, and you're doing all those things right, but yet you still found yourself uh divorced with a person wanting to leave the marriage.
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And it was out of my control.
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And ultimately, and like you say, well, what do you do in those scenarios?
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Of course, you can get angry with God, uh, you can stop going to church, all those different things.
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But I've allowed God to be preeminent over my life and knowing that God oversees both the good and the bad.
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And it's not enough to serve God and worship God in the good.
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You also have to have a trust and the faith of God during the difficult times of life.
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When those things that happen that you cannot explain, you don't know the why, and now as a as a man who is married for 42 years and 66 years of age, what is my future like?
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What am I supposed to do next?
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And uh I've had some depressive days and some uh challenging days, like I have no idea.
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But here's what I here's what I will not do, no matter what I go through.
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I will not blame God and I will not leave God.
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And I'm gonna trust that God is with me like he has always been.
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I don't believe that in this moment he has left me in any, no matter what kind of confusing moments I have, um, but I know that God is there.
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So if I was gonna send a message to anyone today, especially after this personal experience, because for so many years as a pastor, I had to comfort other people.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I had to listen to people sit in front of me and talk about the issues that they were going through in their marriage, and now that same life issue or life tragedy fell at my door.
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And the question is, Pastor Dave, what are you gonna do with it now?
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Well, I'm gonna keep trusting, keep believing, keep holding on, and keep allowing my faith to help to cultivate me.
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And then, of course, asking God to guide me into whatever my life is in the future.
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But I told the devil, I will not go into the corner and die.
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I'm not doing that because either I only have, you know, going back to that bedstead, do or die.
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Guess what?
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Either I do or what?
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You die, yeah.
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You know what I'm saying?
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And we're not gonna let that happen.
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I don't know what the do is going to be going forward, but here's one thing I do know I'm not gonna die.
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Wow.
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Thank you for your vulnerability, thank you for your honesty.
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That's more important than any strategy, and especially coming from a male, a strong alpha male.
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You know, I I I tell as a therapist, I tell people, I said, I really feel for guys because somebody said there's a lot of silent desperation in men because the pressure that's on you guys to perform and to accomplish and to always be on top of things.
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But I also have a mentor who said, God loves to be with us in the perceived low, God loves to be with us and is with us, and for my other listeners, you know, spirit loves to be with us and is with us in the perceived low places of our lives.
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Yeah, that that's so good, and so for anyone who is going through anything, uh, your story is so compelling and is so raw, so new and so real, that story alone will really give people hope.
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And that's what people need.
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Need hope, sure.
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Sure.
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And even the fact that you admitted as a man, as a male, that you had gone through depression.
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Thank you so much for that, because people think that success looks like perfection.
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Somebody said to me, You're always on top of your game.
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I'm like, no, I'm not.
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You were not with me last week when I was lying in the floor crying.
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Where were you?
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Always so motivated.
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No, I'm not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so your honesty, and I just want to say to listeners, you know, hope.
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I was joking, hope is a powerful force.
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I was jokingly saying to uh Dr.
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Walker that in Atlanta on Monday it was 90 degrees, and then at the end of the week it's like 50 something.
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And I said, I'm gonna do a video on just like the weather changes quickly, in the twinkling of an eye, yes, your life can shift and change.
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Yeah, and and and let me just add, and then the question becomes what are you gonna do about it when it does change?
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What is your response, you know?
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Um, and going back to that statement I made about the pastor, how many sessions did I have encouraging other people to hold on, to hang in there, be strong, you know what I'm saying?
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And then here it is at my door, right?
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And yes, and guess what I did?
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I fortified myself with other people who could speak into my life.
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I didn't try to do it on my own, I didn't try to do it on my own.
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Uh, a couple of pastors that I had pulled in to get that spiritual insight.
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Then I here's something else that I did.
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Went to counseling.
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You mentioned counseling.
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I believe in it, I believe in it wholeheartedly.
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Um, that you gotta you gotta talk, you gotta get it out, and you need professional help.
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Sometimes you need spiritual help, but sometimes, but you need professional help too.
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Um, some learned people who know how the mind works and how you know psychological issues and and what you're dealing with.
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And that was very eye-opening, uh, having a counselor and speak to things because there are things that remember, most of my training was from a spiritual and pastoral lens.
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Yeah.
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But you also need professional guidance to help you to talk about trauma and childhood traumas and the things that you go through and don't even realize it.
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You know, people can go through a whole life and not realize all the things that have happened to them.
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So true, so true.
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And I'm a counselor, and I'm just a big proponent that they're saying now that by the time we're eight years old, whatever we have experienced, seen, caught, or heard has formed who we are.
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And then by the time you're 12 or 13, then that's it.
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And so trauma uh and dysfunctional family systems and perceptions and the ways of doing stuff, we take that throughout our whole lives and we're oblivious that we're even walking in all of that.
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Absolutely, and sometimes we only do what we've seen or was taught, whether it be right or wrong, you know, and that's why it's important to you know investigate, get out, be open-minded, be willing to shift and change because everything that we were taught was not always right.
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So true, so true.
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So, all of my male listeners, guys, you have exhibit a right here of an alpha male, a spiritual man who has been very vulnerable and real.
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And I'm gonna say to all of you, reach out and get the help you need.
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If you need, if you feel that you're more comfortable with a male, do that.
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But don't don't just sit in silence and in desperation and hold all of that stuff in, ladies.
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As you are watching and are listening to the pot this podcast, share this with your husband, your brother, your friends, because men desperately need to understand that there's no shame.
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No shame.
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No shame in needing and reaching out for help.
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Yep.
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Wow.
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So lastly, what would you like to leave with with listeners and followers?
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And then how can people reach you?
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Uh, are you still speaking?
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Um, yes, how can they contact you, etc.
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Well, the thing that I would like to leave is anything that you're going through, it's not over unless you determine that it's over.
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That's good.
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As long as you have hope, as long as you believe in yourself, as long as you believe in God, as the scripture says, with God all things are possible.
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Um, which obviously then tells us that with it doesn't say with man all things are possible, but it does say with God.
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And it would be suggested to us that we can't live this life without Him.
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You have to be connected to Him.
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Um, so as long as you believe that there's hope, and as long as you make the decision to keep going, um, the outcome will always work out in your favor.
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And even, and of course, when I say something like that, it doesn't mean that everything works out because sometimes in business or life, you know, you may set out to do one thing, but it still doesn't mean that it's over.
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You sometimes you may have to make adjustments, right?
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And or recalculate.
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Um, but it's the person who just says I'm done, that's the person who loses.
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As long as you keep saying, I'm gonna hang in there, I'm gonna fight, uh, I'm gonna decide to continue.
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Um, that's how you become a champion, and that's what I wrote this book for: The Champion's Mind, How to Defeat Giants and Win.
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Um, it's all about being that champion.
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David did seven things in that book that helped him to be the champion that he was.
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But it's not just a book about uh about David, but it is a book about leadership, right?
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Leading, leading an organization, leading a church, leading a school.
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Those seven principles are timeless in that book.
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Um, for those of you who like to contact me, you can reach me on my website at drwalkerspeaks.com.
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That's dr dr, drwalkerspeaks.com.
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That's my website.
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Or you can get me on anywhere on social media at dr dr, david m walker.
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Dr David M.
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Walker on all social media platforms.
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I love to connect with you.
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And if you have a a school, a church, a business, and you're looking for a motivational speaker.
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:46.800
Um, I do motivational talks and I talk about leading from where you are.
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You don't need a title, you don't need a uh a position, you don't even need permission.
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If you see it and got and and and that organization needs you to step in, fill gaps, step in and fill that gap, and you'll make your organization, your company a whole lot better.
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I tell you what, this has been so amazing.
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This show is really gonna shift and change.
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So thank you so much, Dr.
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:12.960
Walker.
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So, guys, y'all go to his website.
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.519
By the way, your website is awesome.
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.239
He got I he got some free gifts there, right?
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.440
I think I saw a couple of things where you could download for free.
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You see, he's the real deal, he's he's raw, he's authentic.
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That's what we need.
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He knows about leadership.
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:42.079
I mean, if you got an organizational meeting, I'm sure he can align his his uh speech with uh you know the the with the miss the mission I got that out of your organization.
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.480
So email him.
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Uh there's a place where you can complete a form if if you want to book him.
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And Dr.
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Walker, thank you so much.
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You are amazing.
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Thank you so and thank thank you for Pam Perry.
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Pam is my girl.
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That's a good friend.
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Pam Pam is is the is the the PR a person that be sending me some great people.
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So, folks, this is what we want to do.
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We want to get this out, especially to males.
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Um, and I want 1,000 people to share this on your timeline or share this on social media.
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You know, you be scrolling all of the time anyway.
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Let's get this good news.
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You're talking about the good news of the gospel.
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Let's get this good news out.
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Uh, share this with your coworkers.
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Like I said, your brothers, your siblings.
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You never know what people are going through and are experiencing.
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So every week, uh, as I say at the end, guys, um, you know, the same energy and power that created the solar system, the galaxies that keeps the sun coming up in the east and going down in the west.
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That same spirit, that same power, that same energy is on the inside of you.
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I want you to tap into it because it's on the inside and create an amazing week.
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Have a great week, everybody.
