Issue 667: No More Daredevil? & Lanterns Ep. 6 "Bad Optics" Spoiler Review

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I could do this all day.
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Oh, hello there, Internet. Welcome to issue 667 of Comicast.
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I'm Michael Carroll, alongside Jong Lee. Jong, you're doing okay,
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but I know there's still some sick children at the house.
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Uh, yeah. Bree had a, has a slight fever. She
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still went to school. Um, Joey has this whole different
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thing that I won't get into, but it just led
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to kind of gross, like hive, like things on her
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blister looking things on her hand. And it's not hand, foot, mouth,
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but it's, uh, yeah, it's kind of gross. It's going
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to take like two weeks to go away, but it's, uh,
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she's progressing. She's good.
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She's, she's making it.
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She's doing what she can.
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Well, John, I was telling you, we really have two
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things we want to focus on today. Of course, there's
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news about Daredevil. And then, of course, we got to
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get to lanterns once again. But before we do any
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of that, I need to remind folks that you should,
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You can also listen to a version of this podcast
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on ESPN 97.5 Wednesday nights at 7 p.m. And then
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this is it, the week of Tokyo X happening this
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weekend at the Reliance Center. You can get your tickets
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at Eventbrite and you can check out the full list
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and guest lineup and everything at tokyonightfest.com. And if you
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Want to just win some tickets. I'll be giving away
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my final pair of tickets this Friday during What to
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Watch on ESPN 97.5, beginning at 11.30 a.m. with Del
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Olalea and Sean Mapes. Excited for this weekend. It's finally here, John.
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Yeah, and a good event to take your kids to.
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Five and under are free. Five to ten, or six
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to ten, I guess, over five. will is seven dollars
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there's so many things to do if you're a foodie
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there's a bunch of restaurants and food that you can
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uh eat if you're a gamer you can always go
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to the gaming arcade section and and have at it
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at those uh arcades classic arcade games and all that
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kind of stuff and yeah if you are uh if
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you like art there's a samurai exhibit there somewhere on
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the opposite end of the food area. And yeah, it's
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going to be a blast. It's a very kid-friendly thing.
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And it's going to be a good time, man. It's
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going to be a good time. And if you're a
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big club slash music goer, they're going to have event-themed
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musical guests after. So it's going to be cool.
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Yeah, it's going to be really cool. There's so many
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things to do and see. And as you mentioned, It
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is going to be a celebration of Goku because not
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only do we have Sean Shamel there, the English voice actor,
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but we also have Masako Nozawa, Mario Castaneda, and Onkori Javari,
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the American, Japanese, Spanish, and Indian voice actors all together
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for the first time ever in celebration of Masako's 90th birthday.
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So it's a cool, cool experience to have and a
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cool celebration of a character that we all know and love.
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And then of course, Dante Bosco and, Gina Darling. There's
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a whole slew of folks that are coming into town
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for the event this weekend at Reliance Center. So again,
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go to Eventbrite, get your tickets now, or just check
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out the full list and lineup at tokyonightfest.com. Again, listen
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to What to Watch this Friday at 1130 a.m. with myself, Del,
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and Sean as we give you picks on What to Watch,
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as well as give you a pair of tickets so
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you have a chance to do that this Friday. Jong,
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before we get to lanterns, we do have to start
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off with some news that dropped yesterday. And that is,
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according to The Hollywood Reporter, which was first to report it,
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Daredevil Born Again is set to end with season three.
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This directly from the article, quote, The decision comes about
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two months after the Marvel Studios show's third season wrapped filming.
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The move also comes as Marvel has quietly parted ways
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with showrunner Dario Scardapan whose contract was up and was
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not renewed. The parting of ways is eyebrow-raising as it
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means that Scardapan is exiting the show in the middle
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of post-production. It is unclear who will see the show
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through completion. One source said post-production is in final stages. Marvel,
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of course, had no comment at this time. But yeah,
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we're getting no more Daredevil after 2027, John.
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So I took that as a sign that they're, gonna
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be using some of these characters on the big screen
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and i don't i'm just kind of you know maybe
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reading the tea leaves a little bit uh but it
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felt like an announcement that was going to maybe lead
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to something else down the line i'm not maybe i'm
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just like more optimistic than anything else or it could
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mean that he could possibly you know pop up in
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other television shows in the future as well so i
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i didn't look at it as a doom and gloom
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it's uh you know obviously not the the best of
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news if you're a big daredevil tv show fan but
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i i i i see good things on the horizon
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for um charlie cox.
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Yeah that's that is a good point and a good
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way to look at it you're in the glass half
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full i'm in the glass half empty just because i
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don't I don't know what this means for Marvel television, right?
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Because we talked about it previously with the news about
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whatever the shows were that were put on the back
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burners or now just not happening or moving forward. Of course,
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the way they've described Vision Quest now, it's now the
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closure of a trilogy, which initially I don't think it
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was billed as a trilogy. So it just felt like
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a lot of the things that were moving seemed to
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hint that they were going away from live action. Of course,
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we talked about it with Wonder Man season two, not
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at first happening and then not happening. So it just
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leaves me concerned with what's the goal here? What's the plan? Now,
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I know later in the article from The Hollywood Reporter,
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it does mention that, quote, however, the company continually has
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three to five live action shows in development and sources
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say it just greenlit a spy thriller called referred to
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as Zodiac. It is unclear to what the title refers,
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but the most notable Marvel Comics reference is to a
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criminal organization headed by a villain named Scorpio. That featured
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bad guys themed to the constellations. In the comics, it
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was known for going head-to-head against S.H.I.E.L.D. Maybe that's a
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route they go. I don't know that that's necessarily the
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route I would take with the television way to go,
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but of course that could just be a working title.
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We don't know the full extent, but they still have
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shows in the works, even though it feels like a
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lot of the shows are going away. I don't, I
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don't know what's happening.
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Yeah. I mean, maybe, you know, I think obviously they're
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going to slim down the, the TV production ever since
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Bob Iger kind of came back into the fold. They
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kind of wanted to trim back production and kind of,
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you know, quality over quantity type of thing. And so I,
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you know, that was always kind of in the future.
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You know, you kind of think that the Daredevil Defenders
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type of TV shows were going to be maybe left untouched.
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But it's not too surprising. And maybe they want more
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synergy with the cinematic universe the the movies and maybe
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they'll launch start launching shows that are tied to bigger
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projects like you could there was always rumors about a
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wolverine tv show leading up to his involvement with the
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x-men in uh maybe a second x-men movie um you
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know there's stuff like that i think could be in
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the works kind of like what hbo is doing with
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james gunn The Lanterns are going to go, is paving
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its way to basically an introduction of Green Lantern into the,
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or at least Jon Stewart into the Superman, the big screen.
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And they also do that with Peacemaker and he's going
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to be a part of Man of Tomorrow. So yeah,
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maybe taking a little page out of James Gunn's book there.
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But yeah, I imagine that they're going to be more
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or so going to be going that route.
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I wonder if, if it is something like that, or
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if it's something where they won't, like if they do
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a television series, it won't be nearly as like a
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name level, big name level heroes. You know, of course
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we had cap and winter soldier back in 2021. We
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had Wanda. I wonder if they go in a direction
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to where they're smaller characters that you can still have
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a good show with, but not necessarily ones you're looking
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for on the big screen and, maybe tie it into
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the universe there or have it to where it's tied
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into the universe, but again, not necessarily where it feels
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like we have to watch it before the next one.
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And I wonder if that's the goal.
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Yeah. that could be a big possibility. And that was
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a lot, I know that was a lot of big
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complaints from people here and there. So yeah, I imagine
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that they are definitely going to scale down on that.
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And, and, and kind of going off of what you
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brought up with lanterns, you know, I wonder like, what's your,
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what's your thought on this? Why is it that, and
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this is kind of maybe a bigger discussion for another issue,
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but why is it that lanterns feels so much Like,
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Lanterns and even I would throw in Penguin feel like
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such complete shows. Whereas, like, I don't know what it is. Like,
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Daredevil has been good. Don't get me wrong. But I
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would take Lanterns and I would take Penguin over Daredevil
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if I had to pick a show to watch, right? Yeah.
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What is it about the DC shows that have worked
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so well, you think, compared to what Marvel has done
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recently in TV? And that's no offense to Ms. Marvel
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or She-Hulk or some of these other ones. They operate
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in a different area, I would say. And they're successful
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in their own right. But I don't know. I feel
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like Lanterns and even Peacemaker and Penguin have been doing
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things that make it feel more prestige than what Marvel
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has done.
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I think it's the writing and the directing. DC's focused
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on storytelling. And I think this is... past, I think,
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DC stuff. I think HBO is a big thing too.
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And the people that are coming on to work on
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the DC products are, you know, they're not people that
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are up and coming directors or writers. I think Marvel
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in that aspect likes to hire people that they see
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with a lot of potential and they've hit home runs.
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They've hit home runs with Ryan Coogler, Dustin, Daniel Crenton,
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they've hit a lot of home runs, but also there
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are a lot of duds in there as well. And
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when you bring in people that are unexperienced and that
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are not taking as many chances as, you know, HBO
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shows are doing, then you're not going to see... the
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quality as we've seen in Penguin and Lanterns. And so
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I think that has a lot to do with it.
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I think having to answer to Kevin Feige and having
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everything basically be approved is going to have to do
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with that. And also being under the Disney umbrella doesn't
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help as well either, right? You do have things that
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have been great. Loki is a.
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Considering being under the Disney umbrella is a very high
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quality product with good writing. But there are instances in
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Loki where the Disney Marvel humor pops up and you're
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kind of like, sometimes it's not, it's, it's forced. Sometimes
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it's a necessity. You can, you can, you can make
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it work, but you know, it's, I mean, that's just
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who they are.
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No, that's true. And that's why I was like, I
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wanted to clarify because I don't want it to sound
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too much like I'm like bashing the Disney Plus shows,
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because I've enjoyed them for the most part, like WandaVision,
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like Agatha all along, like Loki. I mean, I would
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even throw in Moon Knight. I enjoyed that one. It's
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different instances where it's successful, but it's also, they're done
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in ways to where you don't necessarily have all these
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subplots and other characters that you're introducing. They're very focused in,
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and sometimes that can be a detriment to the show.
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And I wonder if taking an approach similar to what,
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like a Lanterns or like a Penguin, where you have,
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you know, your main character, but you also have these
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other characters that you're following along, learning their backstories, learning
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their history, whatever it is, like taking that approach maybe
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would serve the Disney Plus shows better. Also maybe making
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them eight episodes long and doing them to where they
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are self-contained, where Lanterns is, is cosmic in ways, but
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it is still self-contained mainly happening in this little town
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of Rushville. Right. So there are ways that I wonder if,
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if they could apply them to future shows, if they
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are going that route, I think we still need to
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figure out what they're, they're planning on because outside of
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like the few projects that we know about specifically for movies,
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we don't know too much post season three of daredevil
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post season three of X-Men 97 and, I would hope
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that still stays around, and especially with the X-Men coming,
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I would imagine it stays around. But, you know, who knows?
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about Lanterns, let's dive into Episode 6, Bad Optics. Now,
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of course, if you haven't watched the full episode as
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of yet, you might pause this podcast and then come
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back after you watch it and then listen to the
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rest of this because it's full of spoilers ahead.
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Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.
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You've been warned, right? Jong, we had some bad optics
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in that Guy Gardner didn't want to participate in for
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the brand. But we did get a bit better of
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a sense of what Jon Stewart has been doing since 2016.
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We get a better sense of what's been happening to
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some of these characters as we move the timeline up
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to now be current day. I would imagine the rest
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of the way. What did you think of the latest
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episode of Lanterns?
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Yeah, there's a lot of unanswered questions in between. And
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I guess when we were talking about his death, it
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looked like, I guess at first, at the very beginning
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of the episode, it looked like he got shot right
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under the eye, or at least maybe it looked like
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that for me, but we get a big understanding that
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he got shot right above the eye, like in the forehead.
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And the broken nose was from John. And 10 years
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of him being in jail and a lot's happened. And
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we've kind of called the whole Sheriff Kane, John Stewart
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kind of relationship, didn't we? Where they showed a lot
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of chemistry together. And I guess he just was so
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persistent that, You know, she ended up, you know, reciprocating
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towards the end of John's life. And he, you know, lived.
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How's life, you mean?
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Yeah, how's life. And he lived a more quiet, reserved
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life towards the end. And there, and, you know, thinking
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that he was going to go out.
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His eulogy going out as the savior of, of earth
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was kind of far from, far from it. And I,
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I almost feel like the lantern ring to Hal at
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least has turned it, turned him into a Smeagol golem.
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And the only thing that he cared about towards the
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end of his run at green of green lantern was
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that ring. And the, the relationships that he lost, the,
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Just the people that kind of perished as he was
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being Green Lantern and just him becoming lost in this
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thing of being Green Lantern. It just ate him up
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and he became a shell of himself. And we saw
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at the beginning of the series when they did a
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flashback how happy he looked when he first became Green Lantern.
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The way that he was talking, you know, him wearing
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the suit. him talking about what this means for Earth
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and him and all that stuff, it disappeared at the
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end of it. And the only thing that consumed him
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was to hold on to that ring. In that fist
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fight with John, he wouldn't unclench that hand and he
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finally got overpowered. And even towards the end there, he
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holds a lot of heat I think he was trying
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to make amends or he was definitely trying to make
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amends with Rushville and kind of with John he wanted
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to but you could tell like there was a lot
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of resentment and animosity towards John because obviously John's not
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taking responsibility for anything that he might have done in
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Rushville even though Hal's sitting there like you know you're
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a part of this too and And you could see
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that smile of, of house come in and out while
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they were sitting in that diner and could see he
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was at peace with it. But you could also see
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there was that resentment towards Jon Stewart. Um, and probably,
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you know, he took to his grave, you know, still
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a little bit of resentment and no resolution with Jon, which,
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you know, it's a thematic throughout the series. Uh, the, uh,
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the happy ending isn't there and which you know i
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i like that it doesn't need to close like storylines
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don't need to close it can be tragic and um
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yeah i the episode was was great as always and
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uh leaves a lot of room for questions for the
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next two episodes and they've done such a brilliant job
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so far. And I do want to point out, when
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we were talking about Marvel and DC, I think with
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this series, Damian Lindenhoff is the showrunner for this. One
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of the showrunners for this is so experienced with other shows,
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with being producers on Lost and being a producer on
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a Prometheus. And I think he was the show runner for, uh, Watchmen.
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And so like when you have that on your resume and,
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and especially the Watchmen aspect of it works so well
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in the show. And I think that's why the, that's
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why this stuff kind of works for them. And, um, yeah,
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they're doing such a good job with this.
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Well, and there's, again, there's a route where they make
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it more happy go lucky and it's more just, Hal
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being this good hero against this big villain. And like
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you go that route typically with a superhero show, right?
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We learn who the villain is. They, they fight the
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villain in the very end. And then, you know, all
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as well, all as well as well. But this one
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is not about that. The, our heroes are just as
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jacked up as anybody else. There are issues, there are secrets, there,
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there's so many things that are happening at the, at
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the same time. And they've been able to highlight that well.
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highlight how, yeah, the ring is good and it can
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be good for many people, but it can make you
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lose your way a little bit and break, break rules
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and break barriers that you probably shouldn't have in the beginning.
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And how is back in Rushville seemingly to atone for
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his sins, offering help to people, offering just any sorts
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of guidance and comfort he can to help those people
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after what they experienced. But with what he did, there's
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no coming back from that, right? Like the, with helping
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take out the Manhunter. There is now so many issues
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in Rushville. I'm sure that hospital is now not filled
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with people, but a lot busier than it was years ago.
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And again, the town was destroyed because of this plan
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that he unleashed onto the city and the Manhunter going
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about it. I mean, it's also the Manhunter, but those
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folks don't know that, don't understand that. They see Hal
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in the midst of it, and they see John, of course,
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in the midst of it. And John has a bit
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more reprieve than Hal does, it seems like, based off
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some of the reactions to some of these people, even
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though the lady in the morgue was not having it
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with John. Like, I'm just going to ignore you. But
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I do want to talk about the cafe scene with
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Hal and John, because You know, one of the aspects that, like,
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Hal throws out there is, you know, I took the fall.
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And John's like, no, you didn't take the fall. You fell. And, yeah,
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it's interesting in that time that he's been in jail
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that he feels in some ways that he was, like,
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the martyr, if you will. Like, I'm taking the fall
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for this whole situation. And while John's not completely scot-free
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in that, it's also, like, I didn't, like... This wasn't
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a plan of you taking the fall. This wasn't part
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of the whole thing. It's like, no, you just became
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what you became. And it led to a lot of
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destruction at the end of the day. And it led
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to people getting hurt that probably shouldn't have been hurt
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at the end of the day.
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Yeah. I mean, I do think that John... isn't at
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complete that he's, he's at fault, uh, too. So I
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do think that in that aspect that he is correct, um, that,
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that Hal is correct. Um, and I, I do think that,
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you know, he shares a lot of blame in, in
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that too. So I, I, I understand where he's coming from.
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I don't agree with John, uh, in that aspect. Um,
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so I do think that he does bear some responsibility. Um,
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but also I do think that Hal was mostly at
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fault there cause he just, he's so cavalier with everything
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and he is so, he's a, you know, he's a,
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he's a gunslinger. And so going in guns blazing is,
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wasn't the right strategy. Sure. It worked for a little
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bit there in Rushville, but in the end it just
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got a lot of people, killed, it got the city destroyed, and,
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you know, John's name is attached, is synonymous with the
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Lanterns and Hal Jordan, and the people there obviously do
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not like John as well. It could be also race-related
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as well. It just, you know, it compounds, right? Like,
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him being black and also him being what were... a
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green lantern, it just compounds and what happened to, to
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the city as well. So, um, that kind of leads
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to the, the fight, uh, you know, near the, uh,
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or next to the, what.
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Do you call it?
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The signal, um, the, yeah, which is kind of funny.
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It's funny. It's hilarious. Uh, and so that, yeah, that
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leads to a fight with Billy and his, his friends
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and it just shows, shows you how much that he's
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disliked there at the city.
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Yeah. They're not fans of Green Lantern. Green Lantern, not
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welcome in Rushville. And, yeah, I mean, you understand why
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they feel that way. And you get why they're probably
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frustrated with what Guy did with putting up that beacon
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because it's a make good for what we did. And then,
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of course, John corrects how for what you did. But
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for a guy, it's more of a brand thing than a, like,
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I'm genuinely trying to help these people. But with John,
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there is a genuine care, but he also has stayed
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away from the town for so long, but he still
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has so many unfinished things that he has to deal with.
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And then, of course, coming back and finding Hal dead.
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And one aspect to that cafe scene is, Hal says,
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don't tell anyone you were here, please. He's begging him
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to do that. Is John showing up maybe what triggers
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Hal's death at the end of the day?
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I mean, maybe. I mean, maybe. I mean, it's hard
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to say. And Hal did look very paranoid when he
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started walking out. He said, don't tell anyone. You could
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see the fear in his face.
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Yeah.
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And so that could, it could have, it could have
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triggered it. And yeah. And speaking of Guy, is he
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human in the DCU? Because in the comics, he's like
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human slash, is it Voldarian? He's a hybrid?
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Yeah. Something like that.
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Yeah.
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And this one, he's just a gym teacher.
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Yeah.
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Or excuse me, athletic director.
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Yeah. You know the constructs don't have to be green.
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He's such a tool. Saving pandas. I do love the
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fact that all three of them are so different. And
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Guy is Guy. He's, you know, we saw him in
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Superman and more of a description here. He's Yeah, he's
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a tool bag. No, but going back to, well, what
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were we talking about?
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Because it was like, what triggered it? Was it like,
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don't tell?
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Oh, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, that Denali, I mean, talk about product placement.
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That Denali was wide open and, you know, you could tell, obviously,
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John is making a pretty penny there. And, um, yeah,
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I mean, you have a Denali like that drive into
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town looks new. It's turning heads. I don't know why he,
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he decided to show up in a Denali, uh, a
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brand new look like a brand new car. At least
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it was at least is clean and it turns a
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lot of heads, especially the rest of the series. You
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look at what won his rental car to, uh, all
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the other cars and trucks in the city are pretty old.
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And so I would say that him driving that thing
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around into town, even if it was at night, it's
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going to turn a lot of heads. And so you
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could probably have people look, there's no way he was
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an unseen six foot four black man walking around a
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town with no minorities.
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Come on. And even with Maggie, like sitting right there,
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like she clocks them immediately.
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Oh yeah.
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I mean, you know, so there, it doesn't go without
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a notice, but it also could be not that well,
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let me, let me back it up. He goes, obviously
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Jon Stewart, happy, happy times. He's made that money by
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being an architect and reconnecting with his brother, Marcus. Of
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00:29:31.730 --> 00:29:34.519
course they have this company and at the beginning of
475
00:29:34.539 --> 00:29:39.960
the episode, he's pitching people in Midway City about having
476
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.279
these arcs and preventing, as they mention, what happened in Metropolis,
477
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.650
or at least having a plan in place to prevent
478
00:29:47.710 --> 00:29:51.150
something happening like it happened in Metropolis, of course, in
479
00:29:51.289 --> 00:29:54.930
reference to Superman. But then he gets the call like
480
00:29:55.750 --> 00:30:00.460
it's it's from mom saying how wants to apologize, but
481
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.000
then it seems like she manipulated him to go there.
482
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.599
Is she involved with this? Like is, does she have
483
00:30:08.660 --> 00:30:13.609
something in, in terms of wanting how gone for whatever reason,
484
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.329
it seems like they were cool with each other. It
485
00:30:15.369 --> 00:30:20.670
seems like they were friends. I wonder if it's something
486
00:30:20.710 --> 00:30:25.349
with the mom, something with Noah or, uh, there was
487
00:30:25.390 --> 00:30:27.650
a third person I think that I thought of, but
488
00:30:28.809 --> 00:30:31.470
there's a couple of people that I'm like, who could,
489
00:30:31.789 --> 00:30:36.069
could have pulled the trigger because as the coroner says, the,
490
00:30:36.329 --> 00:30:39.769
the person is right up in close. They, there, there
491
00:30:39.849 --> 00:30:42.430
is no like confrontation outside of the broken nose, which
492
00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:45.930
we know that was John. It's just, it feels like
493
00:30:45.970 --> 00:30:48.480
somebody got close with, with ease. And that would seem
494
00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:51.160
to indicate someone that they're, they're friends with or, or
495
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:52.440
know of at least.
496
00:30:52.769 --> 00:30:57.730
Yeah no and either that uh it also could mean
497
00:30:57.829 --> 00:31:01.769
that yes somebody that he knew somebody that can get
498
00:31:01.789 --> 00:31:05.289
that close but also i i also do believe or
499
00:31:05.329 --> 00:31:09.450
i feel like they held that gun up for quite
500
00:31:09.470 --> 00:31:12.630
a while not like a few minutes they probably had
501
00:31:12.650 --> 00:31:15.750
a conversation and and how was sitting there and And
502
00:31:15.789 --> 00:31:19.130
I wouldn't say he accepted it, but I could see
503
00:31:19.150 --> 00:31:22.210
he probably kind of like, you know, his time, his
504
00:31:22.569 --> 00:31:25.910
clock was probably ticking. And he probably knows that. And
505
00:31:25.970 --> 00:31:29.990
so it is somebody I do think that he does
506
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.200
know and trust. And I do still think it's the kid.
507
00:31:33.500 --> 00:31:38.940
It's Noah. And I do like the theory that him
508
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.200
not knowing that he's a manhunter is a real thing.
509
00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:45.660
I don't think it's Maggie because I don't think that they've...
510
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:50.000
He's been there since he's gotten out every night. But
511
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.619
I don't know if you develop a relationship with somebody
512
00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:55.460
like that that quickly. It's somebody that you have a
513
00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:58.920
relationship with for years. And I think it's Noah.
514
00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:05.289
And somebody that even if you feel that there is
515
00:32:05.410 --> 00:32:09.339
ill intent, someone that doesn't feel like necessarily a huge
516
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.059
threat in that moment, right? Like so a young Noah or,
517
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.640
you know, whoever else it may be. I lean towards
518
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.140
Noah as well, like especially if there is a Manhunter
519
00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:24.839
connection with Noah that he knowingly or unknowingly has. The
520
00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:28.039
mom doing it or having a plan in place to
521
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.750
do it doesn't make sense to me. Do you believe
522
00:32:31.769 --> 00:32:34.589
her in the sense that Hal was genuine like in
523
00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:35.130
their friendship?
524
00:32:36.789 --> 00:32:42.549
Yeah, I don't think it was her.
525
00:32:43.809 --> 00:32:47.470
Yeah, and I only bring the parents up just because
526
00:32:47.490 --> 00:32:55.809
of my thought with that was Hal Jordan left Jon
527
00:32:55.869 --> 00:32:58.910
Stewart broken in the sense of, I don't want the
528
00:32:58.950 --> 00:33:02.500
ring anymore, right? He saw what Hal became and is like,
529
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.859
I'm not going to go down that route. And that
530
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.460
was something that they had worked on John for 30
531
00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:09.599
years to that point.
532
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:09.940
Right.
533
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.380
And to have him not follow through with something that
534
00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:18.720
they sacrificed basically a majority of their lives for to
535
00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:22.559
that point. And for him not to fall through because of,
536
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.220
of how I wonder if there was something deep seated
537
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.839
between the two of them and they aren't afraid to
538
00:33:28.700 --> 00:33:32.720
go extra lengths to manipulate or push John to something.
539
00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:35.579
as we saw with dad shooting out a window, or
540
00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:38.470
we didn't see, we heard he shoots out a window,
541
00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:41.190
and he's just like, call your mom, call your mom.
542
00:33:42.069 --> 00:33:46.769
But that relationship between John and his parents is not
543
00:33:46.809 --> 00:33:51.579
something that you can easily repair, hence why he calls
544
00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:54.539
her Bernadette and has her listed as Bernadette, not even
545
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.640
mom or anything like that.
546
00:33:55.930 --> 00:33:59.930
Yeah, no, that's a fractured relationship. And his dad is
547
00:34:00.029 --> 00:34:02.309
in the, what is he, the old folks home?
548
00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:03.210
Yeah.
549
00:34:03.990 --> 00:34:08.480
No, that, yeah, I don't, I think the fallout of
550
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.019
what happened 10 years ago is definitely, it definitely wanes
551
00:34:13.099 --> 00:34:15.519
on them. And she wanted him to be Green Lantern.
552
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.969
She pushed him to be Green Lantern. I think all
553
00:34:19.010 --> 00:34:23.530
that pushing just made it, the the relationships wane so
554
00:34:23.590 --> 00:34:27.929
much and that so it's uh yeah i it's i
555
00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:31.280
i don't think it was repairable at that point and
556
00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:34.739
so i you know i think it took him that
557
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:40.110
long to realize how messed up the relationship relationship has
558
00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:42.750
become and you could kind of tell i mean you
559
00:34:42.769 --> 00:34:45.059
can tell that she was the one that kept pushing
560
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.059
and pushing and pushing when he was younger. And then
561
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.380
it finally got to a point where he finally took
562
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.150
a step back and was like, you know, I don't
563
00:34:52.170 --> 00:34:54.289
want it like this. You know, he still wants it,
564
00:34:54.329 --> 00:34:58.489
I think, you know. And you could tell him digging
565
00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:03.380
that hole and grabbing that ring, he still wants it. Well,
566
00:35:03.619 --> 00:35:07.280
I think the sole purpose of digging that hole was
567
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.489
to get that construct back to help him. And I
568
00:35:10.530 --> 00:35:14.110
think the secondary reason is to become Green Lantern by
569
00:35:14.170 --> 00:35:19.230
taking it. And so we could have called that relationship fracturing. Yeah.
570
00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:24.269
And going back to the parents briefly, it's something with
571
00:35:24.309 --> 00:35:26.880
a parent in this way where you always want to
572
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.699
have a relationship with them, obviously, because they're the ones
573
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.780
that raised you. But if there's one or both or
574
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.179
whatever that has either pushed you in a way to
575
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.530
where where they do something like that, I mean, obviously
576
00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:44.730
nothing to the extent that John's parents do to him,
577
00:35:45.429 --> 00:35:48.730
but push you in a direction that you just personally
578
00:35:48.969 --> 00:35:53.150
know you don't want to go down. And that relationship
579
00:35:53.230 --> 00:35:55.840
can be hard to ever recover from because you're talking
580
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.980
about years and years of pushing when you're saying years
581
00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:01.860
and years of, no, I don't want to go about that. Or,
582
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.219
I mean, it's the same case in the sense of
583
00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:08.840
when a parent's gone, a parent who didn't, wasn't there,
584
00:36:09.219 --> 00:36:11.179
hadn't been there for years and years and trying to
585
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:14.099
just show up like everything's all gravy is not, is
586
00:36:14.139 --> 00:36:17.260
not it. That's not something that you repair overnight or
587
00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:23.250
just expect someone to expect the person to accept overnight.
588
00:36:23.349 --> 00:36:24.949
You know what I mean? Like it's just, it's just
589
00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:27.130
not going to happen. So that relationship is always going
590
00:36:27.150 --> 00:36:29.050
to be fractured in some way. And then when it
591
00:36:29.090 --> 00:36:32.030
comes to, to, to John in the, in the ring,
592
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.800
I think he's in a place where, yeah, he kind
593
00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:39.179
of moved on, of course. He starts the architecture firm
594
00:36:39.219 --> 00:36:41.619
and stuff. But I think you're right. Deep down, he
595
00:36:41.659 --> 00:36:44.579
still would love to be Green Lantern because he knows
596
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.030
he can do it. And as he tells Guy, the
597
00:36:48.090 --> 00:36:51.590
only reason why you're there is because I passed on it, basically.
598
00:36:51.630 --> 00:36:56.929
I'm paraphrasing what he said. But I do think the
599
00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:00.250
main reason, at least for now for him, is to
600
00:37:00.269 --> 00:37:02.469
figure out what happened to Hal. And, and this is
601
00:37:02.510 --> 00:37:05.190
just John being the person, the type of person that
602
00:37:05.210 --> 00:37:08.510
he is, where he did want to honor John or
603
00:37:08.809 --> 00:37:12.610
excuse me, John did want to honor Hal, but it
604
00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:15.239
was a bit of a manipulation to get the ring
605
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:18.500
so that he can start to figure out what's taken
606
00:37:18.539 --> 00:37:21.019
place and who killed, who killed Hal at the end
607
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:21.400
of the day.
608
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:28.610
Yeah. It's, Yeah, I do think that at the end
609
00:37:28.670 --> 00:37:33.880
of the day, that the reason of him becoming or
610
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:40.969
at least holding that green, well, I think him wanting
611
00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:49.619
to stay in Rushville forever He's a good person. In
612
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.030
the core of it, I do believe Jon Stewart has
613
00:37:52.070 --> 00:37:55.389
a lot of honor, and Jon Stewart is a downright
614
00:37:55.429 --> 00:38:01.840
good person. I also do believe that... Well, that's the
615
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.780
main reason why he's still in Rushville, and that there's
616
00:38:06.820 --> 00:38:09.820
a chapter in his life that is obviously very, very huge,
617
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.849
whether his... 20, 30 plus years of training to become
618
00:38:15.869 --> 00:38:20.610
Green Lantern has consumed his life. And these past 10
619
00:38:20.610 --> 00:38:24.369
years have been just him, you know, because of what
620
00:38:24.409 --> 00:38:28.030
happened in Rushville has led to his professional career and
621
00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:33.909
his architecture career. And this thing from his past comes back.
622
00:38:34.550 --> 00:38:38.380
And I think he needs, if he's not Green Lantern,
623
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.500
he needs to at least close the book, close the
624
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.170
chapter or you know, to this past life. And so
625
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.019
I think because of those two reasons is why he's
626
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:51.820
staying in Rushville. He wants to make sure that he
627
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.320
gets some closure. And also I do think even though
628
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.860
he may dislike Jon Stewart, there's honor in, not Jon Stewart,
629
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.599
Hal Jordan, there's honor in Jon Stewart that doesn't let
630
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.630
him just say, screw this, I don't want to deal
631
00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:11.349
with this anymore. And that's a very good characteristic to have.
632
00:39:12.219 --> 00:39:15.719
And so I think there's a moral obligation that he
633
00:39:15.820 --> 00:39:23.210
does possess that prevents him from leaving Rushville again. That
634
00:39:23.289 --> 00:39:26.769
moral kind of obligation led him to Rushville in the
635
00:39:26.789 --> 00:39:29.190
first place. I do think that his mom's phone call...
636
00:39:29.909 --> 00:39:33.429
no he may not you know obviously he doesn't he
637
00:39:33.469 --> 00:39:37.449
resents his mom but she does speak some truth and
638
00:39:37.469 --> 00:39:40.820
him wanting to at least get some kind of closure
639
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.400
with with how jordan is the reason why he drove
640
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.429
up there so I do think the character of Jon Stewart,
641
00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:49.250
the moral character, moral compass of him, is the reason
642
00:39:49.309 --> 00:39:52.280
why he's in Rushville. I think the ring, when he
643
00:39:52.340 --> 00:39:56.780
finds out he's killed, is a secondary motive. Yeah, yeah.
644
00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:59.300
I think so, too. I don't think that's the prime
645
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.619
thing for him at this point. I think it's what
646
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.300
you're saying about kind of closing the door on Rushville.
647
00:40:05.929 --> 00:40:09.909
And once it's like... What's the Captain America quote? Once
648
00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:12.110
I see something wrong, I can't look away from it
649
00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:15.409
or whatever. I'm... It's something to that effect with Jon Stewart,
650
00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:18.369
where if I see something and I can help, I'm
651
00:40:18.389 --> 00:40:22.550
going to help. And he's triggered, of course, by the
652
00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:26.989
relationship that seemingly Hal and the mom have developed, Bernadette
653
00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:30.389
have developed, which that sets him off to go to
654
00:40:30.449 --> 00:40:33.739
Rushville initially. But then once he starts seeing everything, and
655
00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:38.380
of course, Hal's death, really just triggers him to figure
656
00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:42.280
out things in Rushville again. to find out what happened
657
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.880
and make amends in, in some ways with maybe some
658
00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:49.679
of the people like a carry or just people in
659
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.960
general in the town or, or, and just kind of
660
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.800
close the door on that chapter of his life. Cause
661
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.789
I imagine, you know, once he leaves Rushville gives the
662
00:40:57.869 --> 00:41:01.909
ring and the lantern to the guardian Liana and he
663
00:41:02.010 --> 00:41:05.309
leaves and it, and he doesn't take the ring that
664
00:41:05.369 --> 00:41:08.010
fractures the relationship with the mom even further. And the,
665
00:41:08.179 --> 00:41:12.170
and the parents are really even further. but then he
666
00:41:12.210 --> 00:41:19.570
probably didn't deal with it and probably car... What's the word? Carpimentalize?
667
00:41:20.409 --> 00:41:21.590
I can't think of the word now.
668
00:41:22.090 --> 00:41:23.260
Departmentalize?
669
00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:26.800
Yeah, something like that. A fancy word that I can't
670
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.739
say right now. My brain has gone off. But basically,
671
00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:36.579
he holds it deep within that he just... The ghosts
672
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:39.510
of Rushville just kind of hang into his heart but
673
00:41:39.530 --> 00:41:42.099
he just kind of pushes it down to focus on architecture,
674
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.380
but he never really dealt with those ghosts is what
675
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:44.960
I'm trying to say.
676
00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:49.340
No, I mean, you're right. It's something that he didn't
677
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.730
get closure, and it's something that he just had to
678
00:41:52.809 --> 00:41:55.489
kind of like, I mean, I guess he did get
679
00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:58.389
closure with the Lantern Ring, but he didn't get closure with,
680
00:41:59.010 --> 00:42:02.510
you know, there's a whole, this whole thing when it
681
00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:07.650
comes rushing back, no pun intended, to Rushville, he, he
682
00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:10.110
gets taken back to it and it's something that he's,
683
00:42:10.269 --> 00:42:12.230
you know, a moth to a flame kind of thing. And,
684
00:42:12.789 --> 00:42:16.340
you know, something that, you know, how, how, you know,
685
00:42:16.409 --> 00:42:18.960
dying kind of brings him back and keeps him there.
686
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.300
So he needs to make sure that this, this chapter
687
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:29.469
is over. And, yeah, he's hell-bent on, you know, closing
688
00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:34.000
this chapter in his life if it means that he's
689
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:37.340
going to be Green Lantern. I think that's a huge bonus.
690
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.659
And he essentially jeopardized his future, not only his future,
691
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:47.940
but also his brother's future. So, yeah, it's a huge,
692
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.530
huge risk that he's taking right now.
693
00:42:50.570 --> 00:42:54.010
And it also brings back, as we mentioned, he obviously
694
00:42:54.070 --> 00:42:57.460
cared about Zoe. He obviously cared about the Manhunter. There
695
00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:59.920
was a connection there, even for the limited time they
696
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:02.179
were together. And of course, that's how much of it
697
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.639
is the Manhunter and using that effective weapon, as Anton says,
698
00:43:07.110 --> 00:43:09.650
and how much of it is genuine care between the two.
699
00:43:10.650 --> 00:43:12.909
But John's the one that pulls that trigger. And as
700
00:43:12.969 --> 00:43:15.650
Hal says something, you're a killer as well. Like early
701
00:43:15.670 --> 00:43:18.730
in the episode, I think in the cafe sequence, like
702
00:43:18.750 --> 00:43:21.550
you're just a killer just like me. I mean, like there,
703
00:43:21.949 --> 00:43:24.920
there is elements still that, that John probably buried that
704
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.519
he's never fully dealt with. And this gives him the
705
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.500
opportunity to deal with those and find things out and
706
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.679
start like, I don't know that he has a full
707
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.849
on plan, but things start to roll in his mind.
708
00:43:37.869 --> 00:43:40.670
I would imagine once, once they find the fortress of
709
00:43:40.710 --> 00:43:43.349
storage key and once they, they figure out they can't
710
00:43:43.409 --> 00:43:47.110
get into that deal into that, the, the vault, uh,
711
00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:51.179
then things start triggering. Like, I wonder if that's when,
712
00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:55.099
and it does seem like it when he suggests to
713
00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.420
carry about a funeral for how, like, I imagine that's
714
00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:04.420
the beginnings of the plan, but also like, I don't
715
00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:06.840
feel like he did it out of just for the
716
00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:08.760
sake of the plan. I think he really meant it
717
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:10.079
as well as what I'm trying to say.
718
00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:17.599
Yeah, no, and he, you know, he holds the respect
719
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:23.980
portion of his personality that comes from his father. It's huge.
720
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:28.039
It's been huge in his life. And his dad has
721
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.300
become a huge influential person in his life as well.
722
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.449
So I think, you know, I think it's something that,
723
00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:41.000
you know, he holds... true and dear to him. And
724
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.670
that is basically, you know, he's the, that's why he's
725
00:44:44.710 --> 00:44:48.869
the person that he is. And he wants to make
726
00:44:48.929 --> 00:44:52.170
sure that Hal at least gets the respect that maybe
727
00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:55.469
he doesn't deep down think that he deserves, but at
728
00:44:55.510 --> 00:44:59.989
least for decency purposes that he needs and that he
729
00:45:00.030 --> 00:45:03.909
needs Hal to be at least buried like this because,
730
00:45:04.539 --> 00:45:05.559
you know, Hal had nobody.
731
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.019
It goes back to what John said about suggesting Hal.
732
00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:12.409
As he tells Carrie, he's not a goldfish. We're not
733
00:45:12.429 --> 00:45:14.400
just going to flush him like the lady said. I
734
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:17.820
think that speaks to his honor at that moment, like
735
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:18.460
you're referencing.
736
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.090
Yeah, it's something that I think that he... wants to
737
00:45:23.210 --> 00:45:25.800
at least carry out for him and you know i
738
00:45:25.889 --> 00:45:29.239
i think that he uh he he does him well
739
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:33.320
and uh that the speech that he you know it's
740
00:45:33.380 --> 00:45:36.820
how how i i imagine wrote that speech when he
741
00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:39.949
first became green lantern or at least the early part
742
00:45:40.050 --> 00:45:42.989
parts of his uh when he was green lantern just
743
00:45:43.010 --> 00:45:45.949
because the way that he thinks that the whole world's
744
00:45:45.969 --> 00:45:48.670
going to be there at his funeral and towards the
745
00:45:48.769 --> 00:45:51.659
end of or halfway through this series, you can kind
746
00:45:51.699 --> 00:45:54.199
of tell that he was a loner and that, you know,
747
00:45:54.260 --> 00:45:56.690
he doesn't really care anymore and all that kind of stuff. So,
748
00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:59.050
and I imagine that the Sinestro thing is the one
749
00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:02.809
that really messed him up. And so, and that's another
750
00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:05.949
whole conversation of who freed Sinestro or how to get out.
751
00:46:06.030 --> 00:46:09.679
But yeah, he, yeah, something really, really messed him up.
752
00:46:09.949 --> 00:46:16.800
And he became, you know, he became somebody that, he, he, the, nobody,
753
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.789
you know, not even his, uh, construct, I'm not construct,
754
00:46:19.829 --> 00:46:23.570
but his, uh, not even his, you know, hologram recognizes.
755
00:46:24.329 --> 00:46:27.429
And yeah, you referenced the, the, the eulogy. Of course
756
00:46:27.510 --> 00:46:31.829
he wrote his own eulogy. Uh, and he gets that from, uh,
757
00:46:32.329 --> 00:46:37.860
a long time DC comics, uh, character, Carol Ferris, who,
758
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:41.650
who presents it to him and, and, and shows him
759
00:46:42.130 --> 00:46:46.030
the thing and saying he needs some bravado behind it that,
760
00:46:46.869 --> 00:46:50.210
and John can provide that bravado that this speech needs
761
00:46:50.949 --> 00:46:53.110
as we see, as we, as we hear, as the
762
00:46:53.150 --> 00:46:57.010
thing goes on of him present first lady, first man,
763
00:46:57.139 --> 00:47:00.599
first person, you know, just all these different things of,
764
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.820
of people that he assumes will be there. And yeah,
765
00:47:04.019 --> 00:47:06.860
it's just Carol. It's just Carrie. And it's just John.
766
00:47:07.179 --> 00:47:09.539
It's just three people. It's a quiet thing. That's not even,
767
00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:13.800
widely known even in the town of rushville a town
768
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.019
of like 500 people at this point nobody knows about
769
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:17.840
this funeral.
770
00:47:18.019 --> 00:47:21.639
Yeah and it's a a favor carrie has to call
771
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.800
in to yeah so the to the funeral home and
772
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:31.389
yeah it's you know it's heartbreaking because uh you know
773
00:47:31.489 --> 00:47:35.880
he At one point was beloved or seemingly beloved by everybody.
774
00:47:36.780 --> 00:47:40.119
And now he is at a funeral or his funeral
775
00:47:40.179 --> 00:47:44.409
has one person that he probably hasn't seen in a
776
00:47:44.530 --> 00:47:48.110
very long time in Carol. One person that he got
777
00:47:48.170 --> 00:47:50.269
really close to in the last 10 years. And one
778
00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:55.710
person that doesn't reciprocate the amends portion of it. Somebody
779
00:47:55.730 --> 00:47:59.849
that probably doesn't like Hal. I would say on most
780
00:47:59.889 --> 00:48:02.869
days would probably hate Hal. I wouldn't say it's poetic,
781
00:48:02.909 --> 00:48:07.690
but it's, it's sad. It is sad. And, um, you know,
782
00:48:07.789 --> 00:48:11.329
it's the life that he lived. And the, one of
783
00:48:11.349 --> 00:48:13.389
the reasons why I do think the, the ring is
784
00:48:13.570 --> 00:48:17.989
a very, it's a very allegoric to the, the Hobbit.
785
00:48:18.449 --> 00:48:23.409
And so I think, yeah, I, it just consumed him. Yep. Yep.
786
00:48:24.010 --> 00:48:28.219
Uh, and, and speaking of the like, liking and not liking, uh,
787
00:48:28.460 --> 00:48:30.809
you know, Carol mentions it to John, I bet he
788
00:48:30.849 --> 00:48:32.829
liked you, John, but he never said it. And I
789
00:48:33.849 --> 00:48:38.110
tend to believe that. I think that's Hal in a nutshell,
790
00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:43.699
where he'll care about you. He just doesn't know how
791
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.420
to express it, especially in a healthy way. And especially
792
00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:49.559
towards the end of his tenure as a Green Lantern,
793
00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:52.659
he definitely didn't know how to express it. Because I
794
00:48:52.900 --> 00:48:55.780
do think there was some respect, as we've talked about
795
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.719
in previous issues of the podcast and as we've gone
796
00:48:58.739 --> 00:49:03.739
through Lanterns, I think deep down how cared, respected, and
797
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:08.119
liked Jon for what he stood for, what he stands for.
798
00:49:08.179 --> 00:49:11.650
As he mentions in the last episode, there's one thing
799
00:49:11.690 --> 00:49:14.369
that kid is, and it's not a coward. He recognizes
800
00:49:14.849 --> 00:49:18.570
what the type of person Jon Stewart is, and he's
801
00:49:18.590 --> 00:49:21.300
going to do the right thing. in the best ways possible,
802
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.760
but he did take the ring, and he's very upset
803
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:28.159
with him for purposes. And then, of course, Jon is
804
00:49:28.219 --> 00:49:30.519
right to be upset with him. He got him stuck
805
00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:33.550
in that car, which got him burned alive, and just,
806
00:49:33.610 --> 00:49:37.269
you know, different other things that Hal has done to
807
00:49:37.829 --> 00:49:40.030
strain the relationship between the two.
808
00:49:41.530 --> 00:49:45.909
Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, I think, you know, I
809
00:49:45.949 --> 00:49:48.150
do think that Hal would be proud that he dug
810
00:49:48.250 --> 00:49:51.309
up his grave. It is something that Hal.
811
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:52.639
It's a very Hal move, isn't it?
812
00:49:52.940 --> 00:49:56.380
It is a very Hal move. And yeah, I think
813
00:49:58.420 --> 00:50:01.219
at least that part of him rubbed off. He's, you know,
814
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.860
John is this person that will play by the rules.
815
00:50:05.849 --> 00:50:10.699
Hal isn't. And digging up someone's grave is, you know,
816
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:15.179
it's a no-no in terms of, you know, almost any,
817
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:22.360
the respect, the disrespect, and just the bad juju. But
818
00:50:22.449 --> 00:50:24.190
Hal would have done it too. And I think Hal
819
00:50:24.369 --> 00:50:28.550
is probably laying there going, good job, good job, Junior.
820
00:50:30.730 --> 00:50:33.510
After the initial hologram comes back and he's like, you know,
821
00:50:33.909 --> 00:50:35.800
oh man, you know what I mean? Like, he just
822
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.699
has the one line, and then it's like, yeah, I
823
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.159
would have done it, too. You know? Probably something to
824
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:42.699
that effect.
825
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:43.599
Yeah.
826
00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:44.059
Yeah.
827
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.909
You know, it's... He's doing what he needed to do. So, yeah,
828
00:50:50.250 --> 00:50:53.230
I think he's... I don't think Hal would have been
829
00:50:53.289 --> 00:50:54.849
very upset. No.
830
00:50:55.050 --> 00:50:59.110
No, not at all. A couple things before we wrap up.
831
00:50:59.550 --> 00:51:04.280
Maggie the Waitress wants... Why you choose the word reparations...
832
00:51:04.789 --> 00:51:10.889
With the black man, Maggie. That's a... That's a word...
833
00:51:10.030 --> 00:51:13.489
Interesting choice of words, Maggie. But she has a very
834
00:51:13.670 --> 00:51:16.150
exact dollar figure that she would like for the damages
835
00:51:16.190 --> 00:51:19.960
that were done to Rushville. And I was wondering what
836
00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:21.780
the deal was with her. I thought it was simply
837
00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:25.420
going to be a... You know, I understand what you were...
838
00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:28.780
You know, I don't like Hal Jordan as much as
839
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:33.610
anybody else. And, you know, I'm happily to cover for
840
00:51:33.670 --> 00:51:36.250
you and... what you did to him the other night,
841
00:51:36.329 --> 00:51:40.210
but I was not expecting the reparations angle and the
842
00:51:40.250 --> 00:51:41.090
exact amount of $ 314, 536.
843
00:51:40.929 --> 00:51:40.989
27.
844
00:51:40.969 --> 00:51:43.289
Oh, you have that written down? Yeah, I wrote it down.
845
00:51:43.329 --> 00:51:45.860
I wrote it down.
846
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:57.440
Yeah, I, you know, obviously, I think, you know, without
847
00:51:57.460 --> 00:52:00.980
giving too much context away during the conversation, I think,
848
00:52:01.019 --> 00:52:02.579
you know, you could tell that that was the girl
849
00:52:02.619 --> 00:52:03.000
that was.
850
00:52:04.409 --> 00:52:09.230
Dad died at the motel. Right. Um, she don't remember me. Uh,
851
00:52:09.269 --> 00:52:11.170
you remember, I think that was the girl there. Um,
852
00:52:12.429 --> 00:52:13.550
and then him, I was.
853
00:52:13.469 --> 00:52:16.070
Trying to remember which girl it was in that episode.
854
00:52:16.110 --> 00:52:17.469
And I think it was, I think it was the
855
00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:20.909
girl that was in the, at the motel where dad
856
00:52:21.469 --> 00:52:23.650
passed away. His leg is just sitting there and he
857
00:52:23.710 --> 00:52:26.829
just kind of said, sorry to her. And then she
858
00:52:26.849 --> 00:52:28.869
kind of brings that back where she's saying, you know, oh,
859
00:52:28.889 --> 00:52:31.550
you don't remember me? Like, you know, we talked about
860
00:52:31.570 --> 00:52:37.300
this before or you told me sorry. Yeah, I think
861
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.559
that now I did see somewhere where she does look
862
00:52:43.579 --> 00:52:46.360
like another Maggie in DC Comics and she's a cop.
863
00:52:47.539 --> 00:52:51.559
She looks very like the character, the actress that was hired.
864
00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:54.989
I think in the comics she's named Maggie Sawyer. And
865
00:52:55.010 --> 00:52:59.110
I think she's a police officer. Looked very similar. I
866
00:52:59.309 --> 00:53:00.730
wonder if they're going to use her in the future.
867
00:53:00.829 --> 00:53:06.179
But I think she just epitomizes just the people in Rushville, right?
868
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.619
So everybody that's lost something is feel like they're owed
869
00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:14.760
by at least the Lantern Corps. So yeah, it just
870
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.940
kind of showed what the people, what they're feeling there.
871
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.900
Are you surprised that, I know John said, says it
872
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:26.170
as much to why he doesn't tell Carrie about the altercation.
873
00:53:26.690 --> 00:53:30.110
Are you surprised, though, that he never, like, talks to
874
00:53:30.150 --> 00:53:30.679
her about it?
875
00:53:33.949 --> 00:53:38.400
I still, I mean, I think he respects Hal enough
876
00:53:38.539 --> 00:53:43.980
to heed his advice. I think Hal saying that don't
877
00:53:44.019 --> 00:53:48.289
trust anyone or don't tell anyone, I think, did something
878
00:53:48.369 --> 00:53:48.550
on him.
879
00:53:49.269 --> 00:53:52.769
Yeah, I think so. And his desperation, right, at the
880
00:53:52.789 --> 00:53:55.769
beginning of the episode, too, of don't tell anyone you're here.
881
00:53:56.070 --> 00:53:58.760
And the thing that really set it over the edge
882
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.920
for me was the pleas, as we mentioned earlier. Just
883
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.460
the desperation in his voice seemed like John took it
884
00:54:05.500 --> 00:54:07.539
to heart. And even with Carrie, he's just not going
885
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:11.010
to break that. We also learned from Guy Gardner that
886
00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:15.599
someone busted out Sinestro. So Sinestro's lurking out there. I
887
00:54:15.619 --> 00:54:18.119
don't know if that'll come into play in the rest
888
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.380
of these two episodes, but that just feels like maybe
889
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.039
a plot thread that could be explored in a future
890
00:54:23.059 --> 00:54:24.079
movie or something like that.
891
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.760
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think so. Or another series.
892
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:33.619
I mean, I don't know where season two is going
893
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:35.380
to go because they did say they're working on a
894
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:40.889
season two. Season two could be, like I mentioned before,
895
00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:47.219
a space version of this. Yeah. investigating what happened to Sinestro,
896
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:51.539
who broke him out, and basically finding Sinestro. Obviously, the
897
00:54:51.579 --> 00:54:53.659
budget for that one will be much higher because of
898
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:57.099
a lot of, you know, CG. So that could be
899
00:54:57.139 --> 00:55:00.219
a possibility. I mean, I guess we could get a
900
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:05.010
Lantern Corps movie with Sinestro, and we find out where
901
00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:09.550
Sinestro is, and him, you know, fighting back against the
902
00:55:09.590 --> 00:55:13.929
Green Lanterns. I mean, there's a number of ways you
903
00:55:13.969 --> 00:55:14.210
can go.
904
00:55:15.389 --> 00:55:18.110
Yeah, there's a lot of ways you could explore that
905
00:55:18.150 --> 00:55:21.710
as well, and whether that's Jon or just a Green
906
00:55:21.750 --> 00:55:24.429
Lantern Corps movie in general, because is it Sinestro seeking
907
00:55:24.449 --> 00:55:28.300
out revenge against the Guardians? You know, it just popped
908
00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:31.900
in my head, but I doubt it. It's just another possibility.
909
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.820
Could Sinestro have been the one to come down and
910
00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:37.170
make it look like, you know, just a simple Earth
911
00:55:37.210 --> 00:55:40.929
attack on Hal? I doubt it, but, I mean, they're...
912
00:55:42.110 --> 00:55:43.550
Like if I had to put chances on it, it's
913
00:55:43.590 --> 00:55:45.610
like a less than 1% chance because I feel like
914
00:55:45.650 --> 00:55:48.849
it's going to be somebody more like a Noah or
915
00:55:48.889 --> 00:55:53.179
somebody like you just wouldn't necessarily expect. Somebody younger, somebody
916
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:55.940
that's just angry at Hal for something that he's done.
917
00:55:56.780 --> 00:55:59.519
Yeah, I think so too. I mean, I think it's
918
00:55:59.619 --> 00:56:02.159
not going to be, I don't think Sinestro would come
919
00:56:02.179 --> 00:56:05.539
down and shoot him in the head with a freaking pistol.
920
00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:08.849
Yeah, like a Beretta, whatever type of weapon it was.
921
00:56:08.909 --> 00:56:10.369
I think it was a 9mm. I think they said
922
00:56:10.409 --> 00:56:10.789
it was a 9mm.
923
00:56:10.849 --> 00:56:14.329
9mm, that's what, yeah. And speaking of Noah, before we
924
00:56:14.369 --> 00:56:20.510
wrap up, it is interesting that he does have a
925
00:56:20.570 --> 00:56:23.269
desire to go into politics, even to the point of
926
00:56:23.369 --> 00:56:28.489
becoming president, which, if you think about it, and he's
927
00:56:28.530 --> 00:56:34.139
a manhunter on top of that, a manhunter controlling one
928
00:56:34.179 --> 00:56:38.840
of the world's most powerful countries feels like a bad time,
929
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:39.980
if I must say.
930
00:56:40.460 --> 00:56:46.380
Yeah. Yeah, it has bad news written all over it,
931
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:46.780
doesn't it?
932
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:49.480
It does. It does. Now, like, the more that I
933
00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:52.179
think about it and the more it's like, because, like,
934
00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:54.679
it's treated as a, you know, oh, I'm just messing
935
00:56:54.699 --> 00:56:57.840
with him. He wants to be president. He did good
936
00:56:58.300 --> 00:57:01.440
after the fact. But I still think about what Zoe
937
00:57:01.460 --> 00:57:05.449
told him about, like, don't forget everything I taught you,
938
00:57:05.510 --> 00:57:08.989
whatever the line was now. But that line stuck with
939
00:57:09.030 --> 00:57:11.710
me because it's like, that's not, a simple line that
940
00:57:11.730 --> 00:57:14.650
you just have there as a throwaway to this kid or,
941
00:57:14.710 --> 00:57:16.670
you know, anything like that, it, there feels like there's
942
00:57:16.710 --> 00:57:19.769
something more to it. And so if this is a bigger,
943
00:57:19.849 --> 00:57:24.769
grander plan that maybe Zoe was enacting with Noah, like
944
00:57:25.130 --> 00:57:27.429
maybe that's where that was the end game of it all.
945
00:57:28.309 --> 00:57:34.369
Yeah, maybe. And, um, yeah, it could be where the,
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they had much, much bigger plans than just, uh, um,
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being in Rushville and hiding.
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Yeah. Cause you know, Manhunter probably was seeing a larger,
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especially maybe after, well, Manhunter wasn't around for, for, for Superman,
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but just in general with what the green lanterns and,
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and Ola and all that are doing, like maybe that
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was the grander plan for the Manhunter to rise to
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power in some way, or maybe not directly rise to power,
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but have Noah rise to power and, That could be
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an angle to explore, but we'll find out in Episode
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7 when it comes out this coming Sunday. But that's
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going to do it for Issue 667 of Comicast. Thank
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you all for listening, wherever you are. We greatly appreciate it.
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We'd greatly appreciate you leaving a rating or a review.
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That would help us continue to grow. And then again,
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check out TokyoX this weekend at Reliance Center. Get your
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tickets at Eventbrite and see the full list of events
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and details and fun things to do at TokyoX.com. by
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visiting tokyonightfest.com. And again, if you want to win tickets,
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a pair of tickets to the event, listen this Friday
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beginning at 11.30 a.m. on ESPN 97.5. I'll be giving
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a pair away during What to Watch with Del and
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Sean on ESPN 97.5. But that's going to do it
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for us. We will talk to you guys next week.
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Thank you. Oh, not thank you. See ya. I'm in the....
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Thank you for this time.
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I'm in the process of writing an email. and I'm
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at the very end, and I usually write thank you,
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and I just.
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Warm regards. Warm regards. See ya. Sincerely. And it was
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a very professional thank you. You said it in a
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very professional way.
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Yes.