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Espanyol away?
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Espanyol?
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Of course, you can speak Spanish.
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Difícil.
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Difícil.
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I know, but for me it is.
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No, not really.
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So you and I have a tradition of sitting down at these conferences, and it's always great to compare notes with you on kind of uh your take on it, what you thought, uh things that you thought, you know, changed.
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What changed for you is what my curious, my what I'm curious about.
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I mean, there's um there's been a lot of interesting things here in the last three days because this event uh it took three days.
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Yeah.
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And uh I think AI has been all around.
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Yeah, kind of overload, maybe?
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Maybe too much?
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Yeah, you think?
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Well, it's funny because in some sessions, the speaker starts telling, this is an AI-free session.
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Nice.
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And people clap their hands.
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Well, no AI in this session.
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It makes me feel bad because I had uh two sessions on a panel and AI was, I'm sure, used a hundred times in each.
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They were all about I mean we we must talk about AI nowadays.
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Yeah, well, my company is Navarre.ai, so no, but the world is changing, and uh Claris as a company has to move forward because AI And they are.
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You can do a lot of things using AI in your file maker solutions and the new ADT, the new uh just talk about the biggest thing, right?
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Because they actually announced that it's gonna be available for people to sign up to test it.
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Yeah.
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The new ADT, or it's gonna, I think it's gonna be called something FileMaker Agentic Development Kit or whatever.
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Um I'm I'm in the closed beta for ADT, and I can assure that is amazing.
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All the things that I think we're not supposed to talk about that, I can share them in this program.
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You can?
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So I can too?
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Well.
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So this gives us a little bit of an edge to be able to describe it because we've been looking at it and seeing it evolve.
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But to just briefly describe it to the people who are watching, this gives us the ability to do 100% of the control of FileMaker through Cloud Code.
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So you can have a, you know, have a conversation in Cloud Code too.
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Look at all your scripts, add documentation to your scripts, look at your layouts, rename them, organize them, sort them, do all the coding and scripting that you want, um, create calculations, create layouts, modify layouts, apply themes and styles, uh secure everything, security.
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It's it completely brings FileMaker up to the level of full agentic development that we can enjoy, for example, in doing JavaScript websites or something like that.
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It's a game-changing, a game-changing uh thing for the FileMaker developer.
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And it has the wow effect when you start working with this product.
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And yeah, one of the And also immediately useful.
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I don't know if you've been putting it into practice for things, but I just immediately started using it in my workflow daily.
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Especially working with layout, which is a lot of work behind any new layout you you should prepare.
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And you can do, you can, for example, you take a CSS file from your website and you say to Cloud Code, okay, prepare a new theme using this file, this CSS file, and boom, it's done.
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You only need to make a couple of fixes or yeah, and and that's it.
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So uh it changes the way we will work with FileMaker.
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We will spend more time thinking about how we want the things done, but we will not code anymore.
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I I won't do this, of course.
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I yeah, I think we will, but I mean, as FileMaker developers, when it writes script code, we'll be able to look at it, understand it, go, why did it do it that way?
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And then we can say, Yeah, my standard is this.
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When I do code, I always use transactions or I don't or whatever.
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And then it will follow those rules the way we work.
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Yeah, one of the things that's important is that you should tell AI, in this case, uh cloud code, how do you want the things done?
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Yep.
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I mean, you have to work it at the markdown file to say, I want my fields called like this, my layouts, my stables.
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And if you do this and you work in your prompt, the results are simply amazing.
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Yep, agreed.
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Amazing.
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Yeah, and it can take us a solution that has different standards and apply the same to all of them.
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Yes.
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You which you would do carefully, but um it can do that.
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And even for working with all files, those files that come from FileMaker 11 or so, um, or maybe new files that from our customers you have no idea.
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You can just say, hey, cloud, make an analysis or get all the tables, or tell me what is this solution about.
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Right.
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And it can work for you and do an amazing job.
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There's there's to be fair, there's some other tools you can get that are free on GitHub published by different people that go way beyond what you can do.
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But it goes quite a ways to be able to do the analysis and understanding of your database, um, and uh and to be able to make those changes and data changes.
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So you can say, you know, find these, find all the records that have, you know, um uh such and such date field, and we're gonna push that date back 15 days.
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So modify all of those to 15 days plus whatever they are, which you could do by a calculation, but then you could make it smart.
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You could say, if this if this is true or that is true, then do this thing.
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And then just entirely by prompt, and it will directly uh read and write data in the file, which is very powerful.
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Yeah, and apart from that, we should talk about user interface.
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I mean working with uh all the experience that they have in web coding for using everything inside a web viewer that you say, hey, this is my tables, make all the user interface and change this and change that, and it's done.
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Yep.
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Wow.
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I I introduced three new tools that are free and they run in a web viewer and FileMaker.
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Um, and um there's one of them that's uh uh called Pythia Reports, it's a report tool, ask your data so you can have a conversation with your data.
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FileMaker is gonna be having something like this, but I think what I have is considerably more powerful because you have access to the source code.
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So anything that you want it to do, you can just uh have it do that.
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And because we're gonna have the agentic tool in FileMaker, you'll be able to have a prompt conversation that changes the code of the Pythia and also a FileMaker so that they can work together in different ways.
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Um, because there's just things you can't do with AI inside FileMaker, like have a Python uh script run a certain thing, or go get data from outside that you don't want to live inside FileMaker, um, or have uh script scheduling type of things that go to different APIs that you don't want to install as server-side scripts on FileMaker.
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So there's many, many things like that.
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That's do you think we are now ready to offer a brand new customer a solution that all the interface is inside a web viewer, or maybe it's too early?
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I think, well, let's see.
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I think you we can absolutely do that.
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There's some difficulties with it, like you and I know, because it's like committing records and some other things that uh doing it with a web viewer where you're not directly like in WebDirect, for example, you you're getting advantage of WebDirect for all of the record locking and all the other features, which is great.
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When you uh take that a step back to doing all your layout work entirely in a web viewer, and now you're committing all your records with different steps, right?
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You're using OData, uh data API to read and write the data.
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So I think what we might be ready for is having a lot of layouts that are entirely web viewer for reading the data and organizing it and getting the colors and everything because it's much more powerful in a web viewer.
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And then when a user clicks an action, it brings up a file maker card window or something like that.
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Yeah, and then we get to that we get all of the advantages that you get in a file maker card window.
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And it looks so natural that the user doesn't know.
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It also turns out that that's really easy to do that level of development.
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Yeah, especially because uh once you have the HTML of the Webviewer, you can use any uh AI to make little changes or to improve different calls to any FileMaker scripts.
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And you already have those Web viewers, or I'm sorry, the card windows, and you already have all the scripts and you already have all the automation, everything's there working.
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So you're just kind of putting something different behind it.
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It's weird nowadays when you see a regular layout, regular FileMaker layout, and you say, hmm.
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It looks a little old.
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It looks a little bit old.
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Yeah.
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But um it works.
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It works, it works, but everything is happening so fast, yeah, and we have to be there to especially because uh we want to share all this AI knowledge to our regular customers because most of them are are asking for AI.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And some of sometimes they don't know what they want, the SAA.
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Frequently they don't.
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But let me give you another example.
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I'll pitch one of my other tools.
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It doesn't seem like I'm selling it because it's free.
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Um, so a long time ago I wrote FM search results and I've kept that up with a bunch of versions.
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Well, the latest version of it is just AI powered.
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Uh it actually doesn't require any AI to use, though, um, because there's a bunch of JavaScript code.
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So what it does is it synchronizes all your data from FileMaker to a really, really fast SQL database that runs next to FileMaker server on a little dedicated, uh very inexpensive to run box and easy to maintain.
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Um then when the user does a search, they go into a web viewer, and as they type characters, it shows records vastly faster, hundreds of times faster than FileMaker can do.
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And then also can do all kinds of other sorts and things like that that are not that are kind of not possible in FileMaker, even with semantic search.
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And then when the user says, Oh, okay, well, this is the result they find through whatever misspellings, they click on the record and now now they're back into FileMaker.
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So that's a free thing implementable in a very small amount of time.
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And then you could put something like that and then say, hey, you now you have AI in your solution, um, with no kind of risk or downside.
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Uh, I think.
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There are a lot of interesting tools around about AI.
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You have released a lot of them with uh any uh with several different Greek names.
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Yes.
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And uh and it's great.
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And it's just that people like you offer this stuff free for the community.
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Yeah, you gotta name it's something.
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You call it FM Search, it's boring.
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So I call it Mythos.
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And if you look up the history of that, it's like finding your way through the thread to the thing.
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So yeah, we have to be there and uh especially offer useful uses of AI to our customers, something that uh makes sense because most of them probably they they don't need that special feature or something that is already available in FileMaker.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And uh, you know, we one of the things that was clear to me from one of the recent sessions is many people think that there's a lot of FileMaker databases that just don't need AI.
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And I think that's true, but I think there's also some that uh that really could benefit from it, but we have to sort of be, as developers, we have to know a little bit more than our clients do about where AI can fit.
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So we're not listening to them say, oh, I have this problem.
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Instead, we know all these things that it can do and we understand their business, and we can think, oh, I have this tool that I know would solve that problem that you didn't even know was a problem.
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I'm gonna put it in.
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It happens to be AI-based, and now you have a new feature.
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Um, I think, and you know, because we we have to be the ones who are creative uh and looking at our customer system.
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That's what I feel pretty strongly.
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Yeah, but we have to we have to be really aware of every new piece of information that we receive because things are moving really, really fast.
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Yes, not every new thing, but I think we need some tools.
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I need to be we need to add some tools to our tool belt.
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Yeah.
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And um how was the event?
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It's amazing.
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Yeah, so we just wrapped the closing session a few minutes ago.
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Um, yeah, some really, really great sessions.
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Uh that you know it has all the feel of the good dev of DEF CON in past days.
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A couple hundred people here.
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Um and a really great organization.
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Yeah, amazing organization.
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Everything works like a charms.
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Uh people were there in the sessions at the time.
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So if it's time to finish the session, they just finished the session.
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Things were on on time, pretty much, uh, starting and ending pretty much on time.
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Um when you go up to your room, you come down to the lobby, and there's a bunch of filmmaker people, you connect and meet, have a drink, go to dinner.
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Uh that that that's such an important part, you know, the community part.
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Yeah.
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And I guess that all the people from Claris that attended the events were taking notes about how to make an event mistakes, probably in in a couple of years if they do it again.
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You and I got to interview the CEO.
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Yes, yes.
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Differently.
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Uh so that was definitely exciting and valuable.
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Yeah, but it's great to have uh uh the Claris people here because all of them are really open to to talk to them, to ask tricky questions that probably they won't never answer.
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Yes, true.
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Yeah, but it it's great that they feel the proximity of community and that we can meet those people that we only see, we only watch on through meetings.
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Yeah.
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And this thing, yeah.
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Yeah, I um I don't know.
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I I did in the sessions I did, I asked some audience questions to try to gauge where the community is on AI.
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Um, how much, you know, how many of them actually have anything implemented, what their feelings are.
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Um one just one of like half of the people pretty much not thinking that their databases would even need AI in a year, some of their customers' databases.
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I didn't ask if it if any of them did.
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Um but uh and some of that was definitely really positive.
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Some of the responses from those questions, I'm trying to think of exactly which ones, but it was really good to get a pulse of where people are because you can't otherwise really do that.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, and if you do it live, you can talk to people and they can explain what they are thinking about.
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They have different customers with some different needs.
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Yeah, so it's it's a great place uh engaged you to do all these things.
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Yeah, I get the take from Clarice.
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Yeah, it seems like most people uh have positive uh views of AI, where like in the US, 80% of people have negative views of AI.
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Really?
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So that doesn't seem the case in the FileMaker community.
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What is it like in Spain?
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Uh I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I think there's a big hype about AI.
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Overhyped?
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Yeah, it's overhyped because AI is all around.
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Many people talk about AI without any knowledge.
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Yeah.
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They don't know what is an LLM, but I mean, but um you cannot ignore it.
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Because it's it's changing everything.
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Yeah, it's like uh well for me, you know, just using it, not only using it in my own life to make things easier and better, um various different ways, many different ways, but also you know, delivering side project sites, like several different website things that I do, changing the way that I run in FileMaker, but most of my time is actually creating these tools for FileMaker users.
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Yeah, like this uh search one and also an audit log one that I've released.
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Um that's designed to be extremely easy to implement and then create logs that are stored outside of FileMaker and you know, very easy to and they are useful tools, which is very important.
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Yeah, and then again, you know, so like customers are asking for AI.
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If your system doesn't have an auto log, well put an AI log in, and then now you have a really cool AI solution that you can point at, you know.
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So we are preparing an five-maker event next year.
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Are you?
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Yeah, in Madrid, 9 and 10 of April.
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It's called Code Wave.
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So uh Code Wave, April 9th and 10th, you said April 2027.
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In Madrid.
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In Madrid, Spain.
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So um small amount of Spanish.
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Hopefully, you you you will attend.
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I have a plan on it.
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Yeah, there will be a lot of content about AI, of course.
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That will be in Spanish and English.
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Yeah, most of the conference will be in Spanish, but English speakers are more than welcome.
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And I think that it will be in a really um interesting time because probably if ADT, the Agentic Development Tool for Claris, is available basically.
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Yeah, that'll be fully LB 2027.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So um there will be sessions about it.
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So yeah, you can miss it.
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In the past, I've actually I'm sure it's gonna be easier then than it is now, but it's also quite easy now to just have a live translator as you talk.
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Yeah.
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It just translates in the text on supertitles uh from English to Spanish and vice versa.
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Yeah, we we prepared this event because um it's in Spanish.
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I think we there's no reason to make another English event in in Europe.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's it makes sense.
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There's there's several in different countries that are in the local language, because several of the countries in Europe have a large enough Filmaker uh group that they can have a conference in that language.
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And I think it's amazing and great that Spain has that.
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Yeah, and close to the city.
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I mean, they they can take a train or many people live in Madrid.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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So it's been a pleasure having you here.
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It's always great to talk to you, Javier.
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Espanyol away?
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Espanyol?
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Of course, you can speak Spanish.
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Difícil.
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Difícil.
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I know, but for me it is.
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No, not really.
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So you and I have a tradition of sitting down at these conferences, and it's always great to compare notes with you on kind of uh your take on it, what you thought, uh things that you thought, you know, changed.
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What changed for you is what my curious, my what I'm curious about.
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I mean, there's um there's been a lot of interesting things here in the last three days because this event uh it took three days.
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Yeah.
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And uh I think AI has been all around.
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Yeah, kind of overload, maybe?
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Maybe too much?
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Yeah, you think?
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Well, it's funny because in some sessions, the speaker starts telling, this is an AI-free session.
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Nice.
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And people clap their hands.
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Well, no AI in this session.
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It makes me feel bad because I had uh two sessions on a panel and AI was, I'm sure, used a hundred times in each.
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They were all about I mean we we must talk about AI nowadays.
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Yeah, well, my company is Navarre.ai, so no, but the world is changing, and uh Claris as a company has to move forward because AI And they are.
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You can do a lot of things using AI in your file maker solutions and the new ADT, the new uh just talk about the biggest thing, right?
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Because they actually announced that it's gonna be available for people to sign up to test it.
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Yeah.
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The new ADT, or it's gonna, I think it's gonna be called something FileMaker Agentic Development Kit or whatever.
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Um I'm I'm in the closed beta for ADT, and I can assure that is amazing.
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All the things that I think we're not supposed to talk about that, I can share them in this program.
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You can?
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So I can too?
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Well.
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So this gives us a little bit of an edge to be able to describe it because we've been looking at it and seeing it evolve.
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But to just briefly describe it to the people who are watching, this gives us the ability to do 100% of the control of FileMaker through Cloud Code.
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So you can have a, you know, have a conversation in Cloud Code too.
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Look at all your scripts, add documentation to your scripts, look at your layouts, rename them, organize them, sort them, do all the coding and scripting that you want, um, create calculations, create layouts, modify layouts, apply themes and styles, uh secure everything, security.
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It's it completely brings FileMaker up to the level of full agentic development that we can enjoy, for example, in doing JavaScript websites or something like that.
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It's a game-changing, a game-changing uh thing for the FileMaker developer.
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And it has the wow effect when you start working with this product.
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And yeah, one of the And also immediately useful.
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I don't know if you've been putting it into practice for things, but I just immediately started using it in my workflow daily.
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Especially working with layout, which is a lot of work behind any new layout you you should prepare.
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And you can do, you can, for example, you take a CSS file from your website and you say to Cloud Code, okay, prepare a new theme using this file, this CSS file, and boom, it's done.
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You only need to make a couple of fixes or yeah, and and that's it.
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So uh it changes the way we will work with FileMaker.
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We will spend more time thinking about how we want the things done, but we will not code anymore.
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I I won't do this, of course.
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I yeah, I think we will, but I mean, as FileMaker developers, when it writes script code, we'll be able to look at it, understand it, go, why did it do it that way?
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And then we can say, Yeah, my standard is this.
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When I do code, I always use transactions or I don't or whatever.
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And then it will follow those rules the way we work.
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Yeah, one of the things that's important is that you should tell AI, in this case, uh cloud code, how do you want the things done?
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Yep.
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I mean, you have to work it at the markdown file to say, I want my fields called like this, my layouts, my stables.
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And if you do this and you work in your prompt, the results are simply amazing.
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Yep, agreed.
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Amazing.
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Yeah, and it can take us a solution that has different standards and apply the same to all of them.
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Yes.
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You which you would do carefully, but um it can do that.
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And even for working with all files, those files that come from FileMaker 11 or so, um, or maybe new files that from our customers you have no idea.
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You can just say, hey, cloud, make an analysis or get all the tables, or tell me what is this solution about.
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Right.
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And it can work for you and do an amazing job.
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There's there's to be fair, there's some other tools you can get that are free on GitHub published by different people that go way beyond what you can do.
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But it goes quite a ways to be able to do the analysis and understanding of your database, um, and uh and to be able to make those changes and data changes.
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So you can say, you know, find these, find all the records that have, you know, um uh such and such date field, and we're gonna push that date back 15 days.
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So modify all of those to 15 days plus whatever they are, which you could do by a calculation, but then you could make it smart.
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You could say, if this if this is true or that is true, then do this thing.
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And then just entirely by prompt, and it will directly uh read and write data in the file, which is very powerful.
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Yeah, and apart from that, we should talk about user interface.
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I mean working with uh all the experience that they have in web coding for using everything inside a web viewer that you say, hey, this is my tables, make all the user interface and change this and change that, and it's done.
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Yep.
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Wow.
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I I introduced three new tools that are free and they run in a web viewer and FileMaker.
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Um, and um there's one of them that's uh uh called Pythia Reports, it's a report tool, ask your data so you can have a conversation with your data.
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FileMaker is gonna be having something like this, but I think what I have is considerably more powerful because you have access to the source code.
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So anything that you want it to do, you can just uh have it do that.
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And because we're gonna have the agentic tool in FileMaker, you'll be able to have a prompt conversation that changes the code of the Pythia and also a FileMaker so that they can work together in different ways.
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Um, because there's just things you can't do with AI inside FileMaker, like have a Python uh script run a certain thing, or go get data from outside that you don't want to live inside FileMaker, um, or have uh script scheduling type of things that go to different APIs that you don't want to install as server-side scripts on FileMaker.
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So there's many, many things like that.
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That's do you think we are now ready to offer a brand new customer a solution that all the interface is inside a web viewer, or maybe it's too early?
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I think, well, let's see.
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I think you we can absolutely do that.
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There's some difficulties with it, like you and I know, because it's like committing records and some other things that uh doing it with a web viewer where you're not directly like in WebDirect, for example, you you're getting advantage of WebDirect for all of the record locking and all the other features, which is great.
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When you uh take that a step back to doing all your layout work entirely in a web viewer, and now you're committing all your records with different steps, right?
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You're using OData, uh data API to read and write the data.
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So I think what we might be ready for is having a lot of layouts that are entirely web viewer for reading the data and organizing it and getting the colors and everything because it's much more powerful in a web viewer.
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And then when a user clicks an action, it brings up a file maker card window or something like that.
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Yeah, and then we get to that we get all of the advantages that you get in a file maker card window.
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And it looks so natural that the user doesn't know.
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It also turns out that that's really easy to do that level of development.
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Yeah, especially because uh once you have the HTML of the Webviewer, you can use any uh AI to make little changes or to improve different calls to any FileMaker scripts.
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And you already have those Web viewers, or I'm sorry, the card windows, and you already have all the scripts and you already have all the automation, everything's there working.
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So you're just kind of putting something different behind it.
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It's weird nowadays when you see a regular layout, regular FileMaker layout, and you say, hmm.
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It looks a little old.
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It looks a little bit old.
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Yeah.
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But um it works.
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It works, it works, but everything is happening so fast, yeah, and we have to be there to especially because uh we want to share all this AI knowledge to our regular customers because most of them are are asking for AI.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And some of sometimes they don't know what they want, the SAA.
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Frequently they don't.
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But let me give you another example.
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I'll pitch one of my other tools.
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It doesn't seem like I'm selling it because it's free.
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Um, so a long time ago I wrote FM search results and I've kept that up with a bunch of versions.
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Well, the latest version of it is just AI powered.
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Uh it actually doesn't require any AI to use, though, um, because there's a bunch of JavaScript code.
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So what it does is it synchronizes all your data from FileMaker to a really, really fast SQL database that runs next to FileMaker server on a little dedicated, uh very inexpensive to run box and easy to maintain.
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Um then when the user does a search, they go into a web viewer, and as they type characters, it shows records vastly faster, hundreds of times faster than FileMaker can do.
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And then also can do all kinds of other sorts and things like that that are not that are kind of not possible in FileMaker, even with semantic search.
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And then when the user says, Oh, okay, well, this is the result they find through whatever misspellings, they click on the record and now now they're back into FileMaker.
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So that's a free thing implementable in a very small amount of time.
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And then you could put something like that and then say, hey, you now you have AI in your solution, um, with no kind of risk or downside.
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Uh, I think.
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There are a lot of interesting tools around about AI.
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You have released a lot of them with uh any uh with several different Greek names.
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Yes.
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And uh and it's great.
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And it's just that people like you offer this stuff free for the community.
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Yeah, you gotta name it's something.
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You call it FM Search, it's boring.
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So I call it Mythos.
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And if you look up the history of that, it's like finding your way through the thread to the thing.
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So yeah, we have to be there and uh especially offer useful uses of AI to our customers, something that uh makes sense because most of them probably they they don't need that special feature or something that is already available in FileMaker.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And uh, you know, we one of the things that was clear to me from one of the recent sessions is many people think that there's a lot of FileMaker databases that just don't need AI.
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And I think that's true, but I think there's also some that uh that really could benefit from it, but we have to sort of be, as developers, we have to know a little bit more than our clients do about where AI can fit.
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So we're not listening to them say, oh, I have this problem.
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Instead, we know all these things that it can do and we understand their business, and we can think, oh, I have this tool that I know would solve that problem that you didn't even know was a problem.
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I'm gonna put it in.
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It happens to be AI-based, and now you have a new feature.
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Um, I think, and you know, because we we have to be the ones who are creative uh and looking at our customer system.
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That's what I feel pretty strongly.
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Yeah, but we have to we have to be really aware of every new piece of information that we receive because things are moving really, really fast.
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Yes, not every new thing, but I think we need some tools.
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I need to be we need to add some tools to our tool belt.
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Yeah.
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And um how was the event?
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It's amazing.
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Yeah, so we just wrapped the closing session a few minutes ago.
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Um, yeah, some really, really great sessions.
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Uh that you know it has all the feel of the good dev of DEF CON in past days.
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A couple hundred people here.
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Um and a really great organization.
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Yeah, amazing organization.
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Everything works like a charms.
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Uh people were there in the sessions at the time.
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So if it's time to finish the session, they just finished the session.
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Things were on on time, pretty much, uh, starting and ending pretty much on time.
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Um when you go up to your room, you come down to the lobby, and there's a bunch of filmmaker people, you connect and meet, have a drink, go to dinner.
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Uh that that that's such an important part, you know, the community part.
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Yeah.
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And I guess that all the people from Claris that attended the events were taking notes about how to make an event mistakes, probably in in a couple of years if they do it again.
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You and I got to interview the CEO.
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Yes, yes.
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Differently.
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Uh so that was definitely exciting and valuable.
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Yeah, but it's great to have uh uh the Claris people here because all of them are really open to to talk to them, to ask tricky questions that probably they won't never answer.
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Yes, true.
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Yeah, but it it's great that they feel the proximity of community and that we can meet those people that we only see, we only watch on through meetings.
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Yeah.
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And this thing, yeah.
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Yeah, I um I don't know.
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I I did in the sessions I did, I asked some audience questions to try to gauge where the community is on AI.
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Um, how much, you know, how many of them actually have anything implemented, what their feelings are.
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Um one just one of like half of the people pretty much not thinking that their databases would even need AI in a year, some of their customers' databases.
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I didn't ask if it if any of them did.
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Um but uh and some of that was definitely really positive.
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Some of the responses from those questions, I'm trying to think of exactly which ones, but it was really good to get a pulse of where people are because you can't otherwise really do that.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, and if you do it live, you can talk to people and they can explain what they are thinking about.
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They have different customers with some different needs.
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Yeah, so it's it's a great place uh engaged you to do all these things.
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Yeah, I get the take from Clarice.
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Yeah, it seems like most people uh have positive uh views of AI, where like in the US, 80% of people have negative views of AI.
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Really?
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So that doesn't seem the case in the FileMaker community.
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What is it like in Spain?
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Uh I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I mean, I think there's a big hype about AI.
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Overhyped?
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Yeah, it's overhyped because AI is all around.
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Many people talk about AI without any knowledge.
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Yeah.
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They don't know what is an LLM, but I mean, but um you cannot ignore it.
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Because it's it's changing everything.
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Yeah, it's like uh well for me, you know, just using it, not only using it in my own life to make things easier and better, um various different ways, many different ways, but also you know, delivering side project sites, like several different website things that I do, changing the way that I run in FileMaker, but most of my time is actually creating these tools for FileMaker users.
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Yeah, like this uh search one and also an audit log one that I've released.
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Um that's designed to be extremely easy to implement and then create logs that are stored outside of FileMaker and you know, very easy to and they are useful tools, which is very important.
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Yeah, and then again, you know, so like customers are asking for AI.
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If your system doesn't have an auto log, well put an AI log in, and then now you have a really cool AI solution that you can point at, you know.
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So we are preparing an five-maker event next year.
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Are you?
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Yeah, in Madrid, 9 and 10 of April.
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It's called Code Wave.
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So uh Code Wave, April 9th and 10th, you said April 2027.
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In Madrid.
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In Madrid, Spain.
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So um small amount of Spanish.
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Hopefully, you you you will attend.
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I have a plan on it.
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Yeah, there will be a lot of content about AI, of course.
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That will be in Spanish and English.
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Yeah, most of the conference will be in Spanish, but English speakers are more than welcome.
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And I think that it will be in a really um interesting time because probably if ADT, the Agentic Development Tool for Claris, is available basically.
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Yeah, that'll be fully LB 2027.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So um there will be sessions about it.
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So yeah, you can miss it.
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In the past, I've actually I'm sure it's gonna be easier then than it is now, but it's also quite easy now to just have a live translator as you talk.
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Yeah.
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It just translates in the text on supertitles uh from English to Spanish and vice versa.
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Yeah, we we prepared this event because um it's in Spanish.
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I think we there's no reason to make another English event in in Europe.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's it makes sense.
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There's there's several in different countries that are in the local language, because several of the countries in Europe have a large enough Filmaker uh group that they can have a conference in that language.
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And I think it's amazing and great that Spain has that.
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Yeah, and close to the city.
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I mean, they they can take a train or many people live in Madrid.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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So it's been a pleasure having you here.
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It's always great to talk to you, Javier.
