Astrological Returns with Theresa Reed

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What happens in the sky affects life down here on Earth.
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The Celestial Compass shows you how and guides your way
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with astrology you can use from professional astrologer Kathy Beeal.
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Every episode features her lighthearted, practical forecasts and navigational tips,
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blended with humor, optimism, and a love of patterns, symbolism,
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and pop culture references. Kathy translates technicalities into concepts that
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apply to real life. You'll learn how the current moment
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ties to where we've been, from the recent past to
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cycles that last happened years ago, and get a look
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at where we're heading and much more. From special topics
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to special guests, The Celestial Compass enlightening, entertaining, and empowering.
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Here's your host, Kathy Beale.
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Greeting things Earth Links. Welcome to Celestial Compass. I'm Kathy
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Bale of Empowerment Onlimited dot Net and the Professional Aquarium
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YouTube channel, and we are starting a really groundbreaking month.
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This will be one that in retrospect you'll go back
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to and go, yep, that's when things really changed. There
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are a lot of very important influences coming to a
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head this month and really really really high energy but
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I want to remind you that all of this is
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cushioned by Mercury, the planet of communication, being retrograde in
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Cancer until the twenty third. Cancer is his most emotionally
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expressive mode. People are running all the information that they're
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getting through their feelings. There's an opportunity to address and
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revisit communications that maybe had an emotional component you weren't
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completely clear about before, or maybe upfront about before. There's
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a very very strong air of nostalgia this particular time around.
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I don't know how many of you have encountered people
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posting favorite songs from their teens and twenties all over
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social media. That information is all important and well, you'll
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take that and it will affect what you are seeding
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in the next phase at the Cancer New Moon on
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the fourteenth. But before we get there, there are some
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other really important things to understand or going on. We
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have a renewed focus attention to resources and values and
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the absolute physicality of life. There's a grounding potential in that.
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With Chiron having just moved into Taurus, and this week Venus,
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whom I call the social director of the sky, goes
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into Virgo, which is her fix it mode. Some might
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say her fuss budget mode. I say Earth mother mode.
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That's women with a plan territory and Venus look collaborating
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with Chiron in Taurus will give us all a lot
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of tools to address what's going on with the physicality
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of our existence. And if you've had some financial questions
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or challenges, as so many people have, this particular transit
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will help you look at things in terms of what
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could I do differently, how could I set things up better?
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How could I improve? This might also involve your physical body. Now,
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against all of this, we have a huge planetary configuration
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moving into place. The three outermost planets have been traveling
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pretty close in pretty quose contact for some time now
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in air and fire, and in the middle of the
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month they complete this with one more player entering the picture. Jupiter,
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the guy that I say ups the ante of any
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action he gets near, has entered the sign of Leo
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for the first time in about twelve years. He'll be
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there through almost the end of July twenty twenty seven,
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and he's expanding, amplifying, firing up wherever Leo is in
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your chart. But for everybody there's more of a of
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an impulse, an imperative to express yourself, to be seen.
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This is everyone singing cabaret territory, to take center stage
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and to go where people spark your fire and where
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your fire inspires other people. So as Jupiter moves into
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Leo a little bit more and a little bit more
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across the middle of the month, from the fifteenth to
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the twenty fifth, he and the other three outermost planets
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are going to be lining up in what I have
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been calling rewiring. They're forming a configuration that looks like
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a cradle, some call it a basket. There is a
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French astrologer who's no longer with us, named Andrea Barbo
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who pointed this out years and years ago, and there's
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a lot of information about this online. I've got a
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video unpacking it on my Professional Aquarium YouTube channel, and
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I talked last week on the Old Times show Postcards
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to the Universe with Melissa Caaprio about it, and you
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can find that on her you tube channel or the
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Ome Times TV YouTube channel. So we're in extraordinary times.
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Some aspect of your being is being rewired. There are
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impulses coming in that will have the potential to empower
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each of us to be more fully who we are,
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and to play a different and possibly more active role
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in the collective and the community, and to be guided
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increasingly by our own innate spirit. There's a lot more
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about this in all of my forecasts, which are at
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Empowerment Unlimited dot net, the Professional Aquarium YouTube channel, and
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om Times dot com, So head over there for a
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lot more information. Now we're going to talk about something
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that is a little more technical but actually expands on
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concepts that a lot of people have heard and have
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thrown around for a while. So my guest today is
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Teresa Reid, who goes by the Tarot Lady. She also
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liked me has a background in taro as well, and
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she is the author of the Book of Astrological Returns,
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which came out earlier this year. You just off your
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book tour and I'll just read the official bio here.
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She's been a paracard reader and astrologer for forty years.
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She's the author of more than eight best selling and
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award winning books, including the Tarot coloring book, Astrology for
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Real Life, The Cards Your Delt, and the co creator
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of two tarot decks, Taro for Kids and The Uncommon Tarot.
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She's a featured writer for The Old Farmer's Almanac, where
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she you know, I had eyes on one point in
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my life, where she writes about moonfe zodiac elements, astro cartography,
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and more. Oh, thank you so much, TERSA, thank you.
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For being here, thank you for having me Kathy, And boy,
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did you ever describe July in the most succinct and
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helpful way? Because it is a crazy month. So I
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really enjoyed listening. I was behind the scenes of everybody listening.
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I really loved it.
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Thank you. I really endeavor to not waste people's time
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and to put things in language that they can relate to.
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That's something that's really important to me. So I'm with
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you on that.
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Yeah, and your book is incredibly relatable. But before we
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get to that, I always like to ask a first
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time guest, how did you come to astrology?
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Well, first of all, I came to astrology before Taro,
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even though I'm known as a Tara lady. Astrology was
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my first love and I came to it like many folks.
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I was young, I was curious. I had a lot
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of aunks. I really couldn't figure out, you know, what
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am I doing? Why am I with this family? Why
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do I not fit in? And I happened to become
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friends with a fellow misfit in high school, and by
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the way, we're still friends to this day. But she
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had a mother who was really unusual. I grew up
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in a rural area, by the way, and this woman
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was very unusual. This was back of the time, by
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the way, when subdivisions were taking over all the farms,
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so somebody like her mother would stand out like a
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sore thumb. And her mother was a pianist, she was
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a psychiatrist, and she was also a musician and an astrologer.
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And so one day when I was visiting, he said,
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I want to look at your astrology chart. And I
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had seen horoscopes, you know, in the newspaper, and so
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I knew just tiny little bit about that I was
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a Gemini. And when she did that chart, I was like,
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holy cats, this makes a lot of sense. This makes
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way more sense than a lot of other things that
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I've been told. So I got immediately obsessed with the
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sh strology, which is not a surprise because I have
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a moon in Scorpio. When I get into something, I
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get into it. And so from that point forward, at
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the age of fifteen, I have been studying astrology and
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taro I discovered just a couple months afterwards, and so
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I started doing both of them at the same time.
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Makes complete sense, complete sense. At what point did you
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just sort of give your life over to it.
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Well, if somebody would have told me back then that
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that's what I would be doing with my life, I
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would have thought they were insane, because my goal when
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I was a teenager is I was going to go
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to New York. It was going to be a makeup artist.
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That was the one thing I really wanted to do.
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And what ended up happening is that didn't happen. But
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I was very, very into you know, terror and astrology
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for quite some time, and I would have read for
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anybody who had let me. I think a lot of
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people start out that way, and being in a rural
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area wasn't too easy. And then I went through a
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period in my adult life in my early twenties again
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not really figuring myself out again, and so I decided
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to take a job bartending. By the way, I'm not
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really a drinker, so I didn't know what I was doing.
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I was the world's worst bartender, and they put me
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on this really dead shift because I just sucked so much,
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and so I started bringing in actually my terrort cards
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to have something to do. Oh yeah, and what yep.
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And what ended up happening then is my shift became
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very popular because word spread and I even went to
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a different bar. People followed me over and suddenly I
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had all these people coming in for readings. And one
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of the common themes people would say is I really
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want something private, something more in depth. I would love
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to pay you for that. And I thought, well, maybe
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I maybe I'll do a business doing this, even though
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I had no business skills whatsoever. And I had mentioned
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it to the boss at the time that I was
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thinking about starting a business, and he went and told
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some of the patrons that there's nobody any there's no
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way anyone's going to pay for it. She's going to fail.
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And the one thing I don't like is being told
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I can't do something. Yeah, and so I and also
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I've got areas on my sixth and seventh house colust. Okay,
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you know I'm not meant to be, you know, following orders.
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I just don't do that very well. And I'm not
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afraid to take a risk so I basically quit my
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job and that was it, and I started doing it
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just word of mouth, and suddenly I was off and running.
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And that was over thirty years ago that I've been
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reading and reading charts and reading cards for folks, and
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about six years ago I stopped reading for the public
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to focus on my writing and teaching.
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This all makes complete sense, complete sense. And so many
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people have companion stories, although mine doesn't involve tending bar,
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but you know there's a commonality here. How did you
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get drawn into the concept of returns?
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Well, I mean, first of all, returns have been allays
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very fascinating for me, beginning with my first Saturn return
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because also at that time in my life, I was
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going through a lot of stuff, and you know, what
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do we do when we're going through things. We visited
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an astrologer or a tarot reader or whatever. So I
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went and visited an astrologery. He's been gone a long
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time on rip, Chris Pearce. He was amazing and he
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looked at my chart and he says, oh my god,
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you're a New York satur In return. Now, I had
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been studying astrology for a long time at that point,
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and I was really good with transits. But for some
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reason I missed the note on returns because again this
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is back in the day, there were no books on it.
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I don't even remember it being mentioned, and so I'm like,
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what are you talking about? And he explained it to me,
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and I'm like, oh, my god, you know, it made
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so much sense, it was really impactful, blah blah blah.
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And so then you know, I started really paying attention
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to returns like Venus returns for clients or Jupiter Saturn returns,
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and really was using that in solar returns, of course
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in my work. And then many years go by, of course,
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and all of a sudden, here i am in the
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middle of my second Saturn return and I'm like, okay,
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I had posted some theories on the second Sandle return,
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but boy, astrology's theories sometimes now it turns out, isn't
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how you anticipated. And so I started looking around, where's
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the information on second Saturn returns? Why is it always
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on first Saturn returns? You know, I started getting kind
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of ticked off. At the same time, I'm going through
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a Jupiter return. Okay, let me see what I can
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find on this, And I'm looking around because now we
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have the Internet. I mean again, back then when I
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was looking for this information, there was no Internet, there
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was nothing. You got whatever books you could get, and
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suddenly I'm like, I'll come, there isn't some kind of
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a comprehensive thing on return. I mean I could find
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solar return books, lunar return books. Why not all this
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other stuff? Us just went through the Pluto return. Why
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isn't there one book put some returns together and explains
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it in a very user friendly way so people can
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get started before they go down all the rabbit holes.
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And that's what led to the book. But I've been
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doing returns, you know, with clients. Mainly with clients I
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would do like a solar Jupiter or Saturn, but sometimes
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there would be a Bemus return. You needed to do that.
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So you know, all of that learning was through, you know,
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reading whatever I can get my hands on and really
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seeing how it showed up for me, et cetera, et cetera.
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I think one thing that I want to say is
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most astrologers and terror readers for that matter, we're obsessed
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with patterns. It's all pattern recognition. That's all astrology and
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tarot is and return charts are patterns. They set the
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tone for the next cycle, and I think that information
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is really incredibly helpful. You know, it was really fascinating
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for me. Both my return charts showed I really didn't
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get to pass on this for the SATA return that
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my main lesson is going to be boundaries. I thought
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for the second satur return maybe it would be something else,
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but no, that same lesson came back really big and
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hit me on the face and so I'm going to
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be working on that for a long time. But it's
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fascinating stuff.
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So for just to clarify things, let's define a term.
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I probably should have had this at the outset, so
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there might be some people out there that are going returns.
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What are you talking about? Can you define what a
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return is?
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Absolutely so, when an astrologer is talking about a return,
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what they're talking about is the moment that the transcending
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planets that are currently moving through the sky align exactly
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with your natal chart. So, for example, your solo return
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happens when the Sun is going to be at the
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exact degree and minute of your birth, and at that time,
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then you get a chart that's like a birthday chart
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or that planet though using the solar return. As an example,
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I am a twenty degree Gemini though a couple weeks
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ago when the Sun was at twenty degrees and forty
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seven seconds in Gemini boom, that was the exact moment
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the solar return happened. The planet in the sky is
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returning to where it was at the time of your birth,
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and depending on the planet, it sets the stage or
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a period of time with that planet's themes.
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So a lot of people have heard the concept of
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saturn return, which you just mentioned, and some are familiar
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with the concept of solar return. But as your book
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makes clear, any placement can have a return, even the nodes.
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Absolutely, nomal returns are really important. Reverse normal returns are important.
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Iron return is important. I mean, all of these returns
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again really have something to say about that planet and
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how you're going to be working with the energy during
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the return and going forward. So I think they're fascinating,
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and you've.
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Come up with a protocol for actually analyzing and it's
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the same for everything, which is nice and consistent.
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It's nice and consistent, But I also want to say
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you can go deeper. My book. When I wrote it,
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I wanted to make sure that I wasn't talking over
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anyone's head that anybody who was newer to astrology, who
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was already exploring transits could dive in and really understand
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what this meant. And so it's actually very simple with
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return charts. You know, the first thing that you're going
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to do, ask the chart. Modern software allows you to
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do that with ease, and I love modern software for that.
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You can also find it free online. And what you
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do then is you're going to look at the chart.
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And let's just use the satur return chart as an example.
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And by the way, when you do a sat In
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return that or does go retro grades. So you're actually
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going to end up with three charts, but you always
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want to focus on the last one because that sets
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the tone. I think of the first one as it's
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initiating the second one. We're reviewing the third one. Then
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we're going forward now. So what you would do with
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the Saturn return chart is you're going to look at Saturn.
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Where is Saturn in the return chart. It's not going
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to be in the same place as your natal chart
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necessarily depending on the time that that's exact in the sky.
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And so for example, in my natal chart, saturns in
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my fifth house, but in my return chart it's in
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the seventh and so again Saturn likes restrictions, it's got
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lessons and it's all about boundaries and in the seventh
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thousand relationships. What am I going to be doing working
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on that going forward? So we look at the placement
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of Saturn. Then we want to look at the planet
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and see how it's aspected. Is it poorly aspected? Is
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it well aspected? That's going to tell you what tools
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you're bringing forward. Is it an esterellium. If it is,
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that's really emphasizing things. So we really want to examine
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the condition of that planet. The next thing you want
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to look at is the moon. The moon is going
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to give you information about how you're showing up emotionally
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for this particular return. It will probably not be in
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the same sign as the moon in your Naedle chart.
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And then finally we look at the ascendant. Are not
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the ascendant? Excuse Oh? Yeah, the ascendant? Excuse me. The
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ascendant's really really important because the ascendant is how you're
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showing up to do the work. It's like the hat
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you're wearing for that return. It might be a hard
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hat it might be where it's a little bit fancier,
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and the ascendant, depending on where it's at, we look
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at that ascendant the ruling or not, depending on where
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it's that. We look at the sign, we look at
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the ruling planet and where's that ruling planet because that
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is also going to give you information about, you know,
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where you might expect some empathy. So those are like
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the really nitty gritty and then after you do that,
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the next thing you got to do and again you
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can go a lot deeper. I mean, you can really
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get bananas. But then what you want to do is
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look at the transits and really brack those transits as
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they're moving through, because that's also going to give you
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a lot of information about how to deal with the
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return while it's active. So the return chart boom, big theme,
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the transit chart. Let's pay attention to how things are
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moving along, and then once we get through the return
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we have an opportunity then to carry those themes forward mindfully,
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consciously and hopefully make good choices.
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So when you say the transit chart, you're basically saying,
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put the return chart around your natal chart.
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Yes, yeah, okay, and see absolutely and it's really important too,
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Like for people to remember this, my Saturn is at
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seventeen degrees Pisces.
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As soon as Saturn goes into Pisces, I was in
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my saddle return. But the exact moment that it hits
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that's the most important point. That's like the crescendo, that
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is like boom, the big lesson time seem like when
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we talk about like something that's a solar return. I'm
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a twenty degree east. Gemini then goes into Gemini on
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May twentieth, on the day of Chare, and then it
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goes into it goes into Gemini, so we already got
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Gemini season starting. My exact solar return is going to
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be right around my birthday, not necessarily on my birthday,
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depending on when it's at that exact point.
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Well, hold on, I had a thought to all this,
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and then it what I'm wondering, do you have like
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a favorite one, like an all purpose return? Are there
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certain returns that you have found to yield more useful
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information than others? Because I sense there's one that maybe
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isn't that big a deal because it's yes, would be Mercury.
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Right, you rarely listen in all the years I did
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astrology for the public. I rarely did a mercury return.
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I mean that is so rare I could probably count
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it on one hand. And it was usually when there
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was a student going through some things. I was like, well,
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let's take a look and see what this kid needs
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to know. Or maybe if I was feeling like really
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mentally out of sorts and boggye, I'd go look at
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a mercury turn. And you're rarely going to do that, rarely, rarely, rarely.
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That is like the return that you're going to do
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the most is a solar return. I mean that is
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the most useful one. That's probably why there's the most
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books on solar returns, because it's really giving you an out.
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It's giving you like an outlook for your birthday, for
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the next year, what is the next year all about? So,
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for example, last year, when I got my solo return,
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I always have another astrologer to do it, because you know,
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you never want to look at your own stuff. It'say, yeah,
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you don't pay attention to things. And my astrologer is
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Sam Reynolds, and Sam Reynld says, okay, you got yourself
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in the second house. My good money. He goes, oh,
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wait a minute, No, no, it's poorly aspected. You're going
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to be bleeding money fast, and I thought he was insane.
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I spent so much money in the last year. I
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could not believe it because I wasn't paying attention to
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what he was seeing, which was the moon in the
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eighth house in opposition. I didn't even think about it. See,
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that's why you gotta have someone else to look at
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it sometimes. But this next year looks a lot better,
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Thank God. I don't like spending money, but it's really
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interesting because if I would have, like not been so resistant,
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I probably would have been holding onto that money more
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like a hawk. But you know, it is what it is.
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That was really useful information for me. Just had my
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reading with Sam again. He gave me a lot of
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great advice. I'm definitely not ignoring it. I'm like paying
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attention because the solo return is really great for a
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predictive astrology, which I love. So that's my favorite. That
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is the most useful one. I would also see. The
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second one that I really enjoyed working with with with
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clients was always a Saturn return. I love I love Saturn.
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Though I don't look at Saturn like, oh my god,
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Saturn's awful. More if Saturn to me is more like, Okay,
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here's where I need to do some work. Let me
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get in and do this work so I can make
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things better. So that, to me is what Saturn's all about.
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In my early studies, the institute that I went to
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had an entire course on Saturn and it was in Texas.
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We had to say this with the appropriate accent, which
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is Saturn is maw friend. And I've been saying it
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for decades. Saturn is my friend. You've got to say
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it that way. And yeah, you know, otherwise he's going
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to come down on you with the two before. But
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you work and you get your goodies. This I think
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is a good It's a little early for our break,
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but I think it's a logical easy place for us
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to pause. So everybody hanging there, there's a lot more
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that we have to talk about, and we'll be back
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Out, Welcome back to celestial compass. I'm talking today with
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Teresa Reid, who is the author of a new book
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on astrological returns. There you go, and we were talking
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about the Saturn return right before the break. And I
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have encountered something fascinating with some of my recent clients. Now,
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every once in a while I have run into someone
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who only has one pass of a planet for the return.
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And I have run into several people who are getting
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their Saturn return in early arees only once this time around.
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But the most interesting interesting case was someone who was
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going to have Saturn then go over her son and
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retrograde back and forth over that. So it seemed like
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a really odd and interesting extension of the whole thing.
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Yeah, I again, patterns are everything. When I see somebody
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only going through it once. By the way, I will
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say this, if you only go through it once with Saturn,
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if it's not going back and forth, that doesn't mean
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you're necessarily Scott three like it's going to be. It's
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not necessarily going to be easy. You've got to look
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at more than just like that. You want to look
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at again, how is what's the health of your natal Saturn.
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What planets are being activated during your Saturn return? And
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I'm going to use myself as the example. I have
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a very nasty tea square, and of course Saturn's involved
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in it, and it is Saturn and Jupiter and the
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nodes and Sun and Mercury and Mars and Uranus and
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Pluto all wrapped up in this big mutable T square
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and all Chiron's there too, and they're all very close
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in degrees. So anytime one of those planets gets hit,
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all the other plants get activated, which a lot. And
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so for my Saturn return, both times when that Saturn
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was getting hit, it lit up all those areas in
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my natal chart. So not only do we have the
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Saturn return chart, but those transits get lit So even
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if Saturn would have only gone over my Saturn once,
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it doesn't matter. Everything got hit. So it's like a
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ping pong, a pingball machine, ding ding ding ding ding
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ding ding, And it was you know, both of my
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Saturn returns because of that, Because of that really difficult
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configuration of my natal chart, I'm going to get nailed.
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Every time I go through a Saturn return. There's going
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to be something, and so you know that's that's what
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it was. I mean, and looking forward, you know my
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lesson in my natal chart, there is a lot of
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lessons about boundaries there. But seeing Saturn in the seventh
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house in the in the return chart, I'm like, you've
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got to be kidding me. Come on, Saturn, be nice
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to me. Give me something else here. But Adam's got
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a lot of other ideas for me.
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Saturn is your free end. Okay. Now, one that you
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mentioned that I think a lot of people probably have
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not thought about is a lunar return. Yes, how would
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that fit in with the solar returne? You suggest a
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way you could work with both.
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Yes, So here's something I think is really fun to do.
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I love playing around with astrology. I love playing around
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with my own chart all the time. So what you
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00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:37.680
can do is you do your solar return and then
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you also do a lunar return for each month. Because
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here's the thing. You have a lunar return every month.
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The moon only stays and I mean the moon is
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changing signs every two and a half days, so every
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00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:55.720
twenty eight plus days we have gone through a whole cycle.
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So every month you get a lunar return. And so
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if you do it for the whole year ahead of time,
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00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.680
you're going to see where you are feeling a lot
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of things emotionally, so you can kind of plan for that.
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And you know, the funny thing is, for me, because
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I do like to plan, I'll look ahead on things.
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Then I forget about it, and then something will come up.
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You know exactly what I mean. Something will come up.
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I'll go back and look at the lunar return will
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be like a son of a gun. I should have known.
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Why didn't I go back and check on this. One
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of the examples I think I used in the book
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too is I was really cranky and looked up my
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00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.240
lunar return that month, and my lunar return was not
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having a good time. And sometimes it's just like that,
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you know, you find that it stirs something up, or
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maybe it's a time you're feeling groovy, things are working well.
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It's a good thing to look at and to check in.
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I'm now curious about that. I look at my solar
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00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.319
return and I never seems to have any useful information
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00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.000
for me, So obviously I need to have someone else
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00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.880
read it, because I just go oh.
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I always have someone else read it, because I know
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how my brain works, and I'm going to look at
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what I want to see, not at what I don't
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00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:13.839
want to see, and then I'm going to go into denial.
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Think oh everything's great. So having an astrologer on your side,
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I mean, I just think about that first sat In
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return and how much great information he gave me. He says,
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Oh my god, you have all this stuff going on
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with your family and you gotta really work on these
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00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.119
boundaries blah blah blah, like, oh my god. And then
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00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.319
my solar returns that I've had with Sam Reynolds, I've
559
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.240
been so incredibly accurate. I have to also tell a
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00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:41.480
funny story about solar returns too. If you don't like
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the way the solar return looks, travel on your birthday
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right this Listen. The first time I heard that, Kathy,
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I thought this guy was insane. He said to me,
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He goes, you need to be in Los Angeles on
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your birthday. Said, why would I do that? I don't
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even like Los Angeles. He goes, no, no, no, You're
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you're going to have a better solo return chart. It's
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gonna be amazing. You're the best year. So of course, again,
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I like to experiment, So I said, what the hell
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and I went to I went to Los Angeles on
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my birthday. I had the best year ever ever. This
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was pre COVID. COVID changed the way I can travel,
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so I can't really be going as much as i'd
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like anymore. But I had such an incredibly amazing year,
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and so it is something that I like to do.
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Is I like to look at if I don't like it,
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If I am able to travel, where might I go?
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Rebecca Gordon, who's one of my favorite astrology teachers, says,
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you go west if you don't like the way it looks.
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And I think that was I forget who she said
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came up with that. But the book that I ended
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00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.719
up getting is called How to Have Love and Success
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By Traveling on Your Birthday about Bob Marks. I love
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that book. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, excellent.
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Now, No, I am very very curious. Do you find
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it makes a difference whether you cast the solar return
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chart for the person's birthplace or where they physically are.
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00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.039
You go with where they physically are right.
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00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.000
Where they physically are, absolutely, because I think that makes
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a huge difference. Also, if you're going to be traveling
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on your birthday. I just looked at a friend's chart.
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00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.800
They're going to be in Las Vegas on their birthday,
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and I'm like, oh my god, let's look and see
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what your solar return is. And it looked like they
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were going to have a great time in Vegas period,
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00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.760
but also pretty good year, which is really exciting. So
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always look at the location of where you're going to
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be on your birthday. That means everything.
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00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.400
So let's talk a little bit about nodal returns because
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people are starting to get aware of that. I've been
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00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:46.039
mostly asked about reverse nodal returns. What's going on with
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either of those with each of those situations, and it's
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00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:50.559
different with each of them.
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Well, they are different energy. I mean, we all know
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that the north node is you know, karma, so to speak,
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and you're supposed to head to the north node, even
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00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.960
though it's more difficult than this out node is. Supposedly
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00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.440
you know where you're coming in with these gifts and
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00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.119
it's easy for you to go. There's oftentimes we want
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00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.400
to hang out with the south node, and that makes
611
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.079
a lot of sense. In my chart, I look at
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I'm like, well, yeah, it does make sense. So the
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00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.760
nodal return is supposed to be like this time where
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00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.039
it really gets a lot of things stirred up, kind
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00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.559
of like your Saturn return or your Chiron return, and
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00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.000
we've got an opportunity then to look at the handw're
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00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.639
delt and really work with that energy. The reverse nodal
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00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.440
return happens when the nodes are on the opposite So
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for example, I have a north note in Gemini, so
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00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.400
when the north node is Insangittarius and it hits me directly,
621
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.519
that's reverse and nobal return. And the reverse noval return
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is a time where we can examine, you know, the
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gifts that we've brought in for our past life. We
624
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.000
can really think about how we're using them, et cetera,
625
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:55.679
et cetera. My reverse nodal returns were way more significant
626
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.360
than my nodal returns, even though I've been told that
627
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.079
it was going to be harder. You know, back in
628
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:02.880
the day, other astrologist would be like, oh my god,
629
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.800
your normal return, it's going to be really rough. My
630
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:12.559
reverse normal returns were way more significant, like life changing events.
631
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:14.760
So that's how it played out for me. I don't
632
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.519
know if it's the same for everybody. Maybe I'm just weird,
633
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:23.639
but it's certainly got some things activated. Let's put it
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that way.
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Well, this is draw well, hold on. There can be
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00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.239
a note of return for an event too. There can
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00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.280
be a return for anything, right because I heard something
638
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.440
happening now that is gonna it's it's like come in
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00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.480
full circle to when the notes were at twenty nine Aquarius,
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00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.000
which is what they're about to shift into.
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00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.840
So absolutely, you could do return charts for anything. You
642
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.760
could do it for an event, you can do it
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00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.760
for a business. And I love business astrology. I think
644
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.760
it's fascinating. I do. I do astrology charts for every
645
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.599
one of my books, and then I will go back
646
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.480
sometimes and look at the return chart for the birth
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00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.719
of that book. Yes you Yeah, you could really get
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00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.360
creative and play around with returns for anything. It is
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00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.079
a lot of fun. So I say, you've got a
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00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.000
business that's been in business for a long time, take
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00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.639
a look at the return for it. What's going on there?
652
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.639
That's going to give you a lot of information. You
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00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.000
can do return churts, by the way, for countries and
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cities too, which I love that.
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Right.
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Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about the US
657
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.079
Pluto return, it's the Pluto return of the Declaration of Independence.
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00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.159
We also have the Pluto return of the Constitution coming up,
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two different things, so there could be some connect the
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00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:46.840
dots going on in those arenas. You mentioned Kirn return
661
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:52.079
that tends to happen around the age of fifty. And
662
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if Kirn is the abiding issue, how does that in
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the bigger picture play out. When the guy with the
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he comes back around to where he was when you
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00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.400
were born, we have.
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A chance to revisit those old wounds. And I've got
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00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:09.559
a great friend named Diane Bloom. Diane Bloom is a
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00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.400
crystal healer. She was, she's retired now, and many many
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00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.480
years ago she sent to me, everybody needs therapy because
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00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.400
everybody had a childhood that a was stuck with me.
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00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.239
And the Chiron return really does tend to bring up
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00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.360
a lot of these old wounds that we can work
673
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.880
on them. So in my natal chart, I've got Kyron
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in the fifth house that could represent, you know, issues
675
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.159
around parenting, which I did. We're hard to be a
676
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.559
good parent because my parents were very complicated people. Oh
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00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.159
my god, I did not I had to break the
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00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.880
wheels put it that way, but it can bring lessons
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00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:48.679
around parenting and creativity and romance. And so when my
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00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:54.519
Chiron return came around, what happened was my love life
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00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.800
is fine. My love life is great, my relationship with
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00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.599
my kids is great. But I had all this creativity
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00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.559
that was blocked because my parents never thought of creativity
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as a possibility for a career. They also would like
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read the things I wrote, and I would get in
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00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.320
trouble for what I wrote, And so that was locked
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up for a very very long time. And in my
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thirties and forties, I began blogging, and right before you know,
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my Chiro return came around. I was really doing a
690
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.719
lot of big creative stuff. I run return came around,
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and I got my first book deal, and it really
692
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.360
healed those old creative blocks. And since that time, I've
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00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.840
actually just completed book number ten and another Tarot deck.
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00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.239
So I've been on this big creativity kick that kicked
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in when my Chiro return came around.
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I have a really good chirn return story from a
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popular culture. Yes, are you familiar with the movie The
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King's Speech?
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I am familiar with it, I've not seen it.
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It is about Elizabeth the princess who became Elizabeth the First.
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It's about her father having to step in and become
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00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.119
king when his brother abdicated and he had to start
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00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.039
making public speeches and he did not speak comfortably.
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At all, had speech.
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00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:27.400
Issues, and this movie is about his getting coached so
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00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:33.119
that he could talk in a regal gravitas, he could
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00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:37.800
convey authority to his populace. Well, the king was fifty
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00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.360
and the actor who played him, Colin Firth, was fifty
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when he played it, so the actor was having his
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00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:51.239
chirn return, playing the role of a historical person who
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was addressing his speaking wound and having his chirn return.
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I just find that one fascinating because you can find
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this in popular ca all the time if you just
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keep your eyes open.
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Yes, I mean, what a great story. I would love
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to look at those charts and see what was going
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on then, right.
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Mm hmmm mm hmm yep. So I passed that one
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on to you, see if that's one you want to
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play with. So a little bit more time here. So
721
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if there's someone listening who sort of knows their chart
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and has sort of been following astrology, what would you
723
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recommend that they do just start playing. Maybe play with
724
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the lunar returns first or the solar return, and follow
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your protocol for analyzing what's going on in the chart.
726
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Start with true solar return. Always start with the solar,
727
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and then start with the lunar. And if you start
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paying attention to those patterns, you're getting a whole calendar
729
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of what your ears like. And also it's making you
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more mindful about how you're showing up and how you're
731
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you know, expressing, and maybe how you could do it better.
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So start with the solar, start with the lunar. If
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you play around with that, you're going to get more comfortable,
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and then you can just start exploring the other ones.
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And if you have software, there's always a there's a
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tool where you can cast returns. And I noticed that
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you said that time Passages doesn't cast lunar return I
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mean nodal returns. No Kepler software will it'll it'll do
739
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it with so serious or Kepeler. I don't know if
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Pegasus does. But Serious or Kepler you can choose either
741
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true note or mean note. Because I was playing with
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it all this afternoon after I finished your book, It's like,
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let's look at this.
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And I always use the true node for people who
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are curious. That's what I use because I feels more accurate.
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But you can play around and find what works for you.
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It's the same way picking a house system. I use Placidus.
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You might use whole signs, whatever works. I I don't
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like to tell people I'm not an evangelist of what
750
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you know, do this or do that. But time Passages
751
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I'm a Mac girl. I use Placidus, and time Passages
752
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is so easy to use. I mean, all you do
753
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is you click on display, you scroll down. You'll see
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solo return, loan and return, You'll see planetary return, and
755
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then you just plug in the information and bam you've
756
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got your chart. Easy.
757
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It's easy, yep. I know that astro deeds so astro
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dot com will do some, but I'm not sure to
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what extent.
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I don't think they do them all. I think astro
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seek actually does them all. And I think astro seek
762
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not only if I'm correct, because sometimes I get the
763
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two you know, mixed up in my head. But astro
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dashseek dot com will do the return charts side by
765
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side with the transits, which is really handy and it's free.
766
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Everybody yeah, he's got amazing resources over there. Well what
767
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would you want? So, I mean this sounds like this
768
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has a valid and worthy place in pretty much anybody's
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astrological library, if you're a practicing astrologer, if you're someone
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who's learning, if you're the person that your friends come
771
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to and you look things up for them, which many
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of us started out as years ago, many different ways
773
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people can get absolutely.
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And also if you're somebody who likes historical astrology, like's
775
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looking at historical events, looking at things like the Uranus
776
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and Pluto return of countries and cities is also fascinating,
777
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and I talk about that in the book too.
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And I'll just tell everyone this is so accessible in
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the way it's written, it's like someone's chatting with you.
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I mean, it's efficient and it gives you good information,
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but it's not dry in the slightest. So I'm not
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just right Gemini, that was.
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I'm as Gemini as a guess. I got to tell you, Kathy,
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one of the things when I was a young astrologer,
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first starting, one of the things that really bothered me
786
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is the books. And I still have my books from
787
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back in the day, because you know, I like to
788
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hold onto books. That's my my drug of choices. Books.
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The books were so ry. We had no computers. I mean,
790
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you know you probably remember doing those charts by hand.
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What a pain in the rump it was doing them
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by hand. Mistakes were made. How lucky we are that
793
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we have astrology, How lucky we are our astrology software.
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How lucky we are that we have the internet. We
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can look up information and now there are books coming
796
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out for every single level, and so many topics in astrology.
797
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Were very fortunate. And the thing I hated about those
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books is they were so boring. For a fifteen year
799
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old Gemini read in these books, I mean it was like, oh,
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I'm going to get through it. I'm going to get
801
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through and I'm going to get through it. And I
802
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always hated that because it just never felt like fun
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or interesting. It felt like I was reading one of
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those dry textbooks for school. And while I do like
805
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a textbook, don't get me wrong, that's not how I
806
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wanted to learn. I found the ways I learned better
807
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was by doing and practicing and being in conversation with people,
808
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or even when I had the good fortune of taking
809
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classes here and there, really learning from somebody who would
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talk to me and make it make sense without going
811
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into all the astrobabble, which is so incredibly boring. I
812
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do not like boring books. I need some humor, I
813
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need some pizzazz. I need some examples that are going
814
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to bring it to life. And I got to tell
815
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you Beck, back in my day, we really had a
816
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shortage of that. That was hard to find.
817
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Linda Goodman definitely blew things open when she came on
818
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the scene.
819
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Yes, it was amazing.
820
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Yes, so personal in the way she said things. And
821
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just for those those of you out there who were
822
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born in this century or close to it, there was
823
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a time when the way you learned astrology, if you
824
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were not in a big, big city, you often didn't
825
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have other people you could study with in person, or
826
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maybe somebody would come through town and there would be
827
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a seminar. But books were the way a lot of
828
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people got everything off the ground. That's definitely how I started.
829
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.239
That's all I had back then. I was in a
830
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rural area. I was in an area where if you
831
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:41.880
were doing the things I was doing, you were like
832
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.280
a freak too. So there were a lot of people,
833
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.519
of course, who were like, oh my God, you know
834
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.559
this kid, what's wrong with her? Why is she into
835
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:50.159
this stuff?
836
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:50.440
You know?
837
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.239
Why aren't you into football? And all of that. I'm like, now,
838
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I want to listen to the sex pistols and I
839
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.239
want to do astrology. In Tarol. I had to practice
840
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with whoever would let me. Ninety nine percent of the
841
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.079
time was doing it on myself. The other one percent
842
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was mostly doing it on my sister. But I was
843
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.000
young because a lot of people were scared of it too.
844
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.000
Back then, there was a big stigma around these types
845
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.880
of things. It's gotten better. There's still some stigma here
846
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.480
and there, but I think you can also remember even
847
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.079
when I started reading professionally, there were people who were
848
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.280
really freaked out, that were unhappy that I was talking
849
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.000
about astrology or teraryll. Things have changed for the better.
850
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.840
It's way more accessible, easier to get started. There's a
851
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.679
million teachers out there. You don't even have to have
852
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.760
one in your hometown. Someone could study with you online,
853
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:41.360
which is amazing.
854
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:47.519
Amazing, And there's many more access to information about different
855
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.320
schools and techniques and things that might not be what
856
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.320
your first books have been about. And you can learn
857
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.719
different methods, which ones you want to study more. There
858
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.840
seems to be a really big interest and Hellenistic come
859
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.320
into the surface now.
860
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.679
And I know that's the thing. Everyone I know is
861
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:08.519
into Hellenistic.
862
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:11.880
That's good.
863
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:13.880
You know.
864
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.039
I went through a phase where I would go to
865
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.920
an ncg R conference and I would come home. This
866
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.000
is before even CDs come home with there's bags and
867
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.679
bags of cassettes and books and I'd be so excited
868
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.480
and then they I'd hit overwhelmed, like, well, okay, I
869
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.719
can't learn time lords too. Oh, I can't do this.
870
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.480
I am not going to learn how to read the
871
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.480
Hindu you know, Indian astrology, Vedic astrology. Nope, no, too much.
872
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.960
But it can be really exhilarating to be exposed two
873
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.639
different techniques because it's all getting you to the same wisdom,
874
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:48.079
just different ways of getting there.
875
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.199
Absolutely, and everybody's going to have their thing that they
876
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.039
love doing. My favorite thing is predictive astrology. That's almost
877
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.039
what I'm interested in. And while I look at things
878
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.280
like perfections for myself, I don't read perfections for anybody.
879
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.559
That's not my specialty. That's my wheelhouse. I would never
880
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.559
even teach it because it's something I like to say
881
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.920
I play with it, but I do not. Sorry, you
882
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.800
gotta watch how you move your hands on my camera.
883
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:17.239
Here looks that's great, But you know, I have to,
884
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:21.920
like I always say, when I'm doing something, whether I'm
885
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.199
teaching it or doing it, I teach what I know.
886
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.000
And what I've actually done. And I also only read
887
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.000
with the things that I have done for a long time.
888
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.320
I'm not going to introduce something if I haven't done
889
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.400
it for some time, because you got to road test it. Do.
890
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.280
I love all that stuff that I love going down
891
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.559
all the rabbit holes. I'm just like you, Kathy. I
892
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.400
will study anything. I will read this and that about
893
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.719
terror astrology, and sometimes I'll really like, oh that's interesting.
894
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:49.199
Boom.
895
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.280
Not going to use it, you know, but it's still fascinating.
896
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.360
And I love different ways of interpreting and all people's
897
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.440
theories and all of that. Just it keeps my gem
898
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.840
and my brain very happy, and it develops those new
899
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.360
neural pathways. So listen, I keep an open mind. I mean,
900
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.840
I use it, Bud, I don't like it.
901
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.440
Yeah, Jim, and I gets a bad rap sometimes no, no, no,
902
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.079
you gather all the little goodies. It's good. It's very
903
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:22.519
very good. Well, are there any parting words about this
904
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:26.599
topic or the role of astrology or actually no question.
905
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.880
My personal pet peeve at the moment is people who
906
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.239
know a tiny bit and then are going onto social
907
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.239
media platforms with the cameras on and yacking about stuff
908
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.679
and spreading god knows what. I used to call it
909
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.679
the hallmark the hallmarkification, but now it's just like just hyping.
910
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:46.800
You have any opinions about.
911
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.920
This, I have strong opinions about that. I think there
912
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.039
are a lot of people they want and you'll see
913
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:57.760
this in people also with business too. Oh God, you
914
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.480
open up a can of worms for me, cappy. There
915
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.320
are people that want to be an instant expert. They
916
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.679
want to learn something in five lessons and then go
917
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:11.000
and monetize that hobby. And I think that that is
918
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.760
really dangerous because chances are, if you haven't again ro
919
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.159
tested something, you are going to give wrong information that
920
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.760
could cause harm. And that is the one thing I
921
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.400
don't think these people really understand. You could cause a
922
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.199
lot of harm if you do not understand something thoroughly.
923
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.440
That's like what I said, I don't teach something I
924
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.079
don't know thoroughly because I don't want to give people
925
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.880
wrong information and make a mistake. I don't want to
926
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:40.519
be that person, that astrologer, that terror reader. I mean,
927
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.320
I see some of these newer readers out they are
928
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:47.039
doing fear mongering, think about the aspects of the sky,
929
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.840
and they'll see these horrible things that get people all
930
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.079
worked up. And then you and I've got to come
931
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:53.719
along and say, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait
932
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.400
a minute, don't listen to that person. Or I see
933
00:53:56.440 --> 00:54:00.679
terror readers also that are on you know, like TikTok,
934
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.440
and they're also throwing off these cards and they're telling
935
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.199
people what they want to hear, like Alwa's going to
936
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:08.840
come back. Yeah, he's thinking about you know, he's not.
937
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.840
He's not thinking about you. That's not what that card means.
938
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And that's the danger when people don't know the information
939
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.760
well enough, wrong information.
940
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.159
I'm with you completely, and I'm getting nudges that we're
941
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:25.800
nearing the end here. So I thank you tremendously for
942
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.719
sharing all this. Tell people again where they can find
943
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:29.719
you and what your book is.
944
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:32.440
The best way to find me is at the tarot
945
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.639
Lady dot com that is a hub for everything that
946
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:38.440
I do, and on social media, the arrort Lady's by
947
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.400
handle for most things. Some people grab my name in
948
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.400
some places, but you can buy me. I'm pretty easy
949
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.960
to find. And my latest book is the Book of
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Astrological Returns. This is your complete guide to every life
951
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.719
cycle from the Sun to Pluto and beyond.
952
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.719
Excellent. Well, I wish you great, great success with it,
953
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and I really thank you for coming on and having this.
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Chad and everyone go look at this book. Go get it.
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It is extraordinary. And be safe and fall just you know,
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stay calm, don't buy into the panic this month. Go
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to their happy place. Gravitate to the people and the
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situations that remind you of why you are happy to
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be alive. That's what we're fueling, that's what we're building on.
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I keep telling people to remember the public events of
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people just celebrating in the streets. That's where we're heading.
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You go to that, you find it and be safe
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and I'll see you again soon.
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Bye. Everybody, include
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