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What does entrepreneurship actually look like when the traditional employment system has never really worked for you? In this episode, Kevin Cameron sits down with Haley Moss, autistic attorney, author of five books, and neurodiversity advocate, to talk about how neurodivergent people are finding their own path, and what the rest of us can learn from it.
From knowing when a passion should stay a hobby versus become a business, to building structure when no one gives you a rulebook, Haley shares the honest, practical side of starting something from scratch.
Key Takeaways
Many neurodivergent entrepreneurs start a business without realising they already have one.
Not every hobby should be monetised — protecting the joy in something is a legitimate business decision.
Sort your activities into three buckets: hobby, side hustle, or business.
Every entrepreneur needs three things early: legal structure, a good CPA, and written goals.
Have a risk fund and know your number before you take the leap.
Build in at least one meeting-free day per week to protect your energy and output.
Episode Highlights
Why Haley left law at 25 to pursue speaking and why she thought it would last two years.
The Picasso napkin story: why people pay for years of expertise, not 30 seconds of effort.
How selling concert tickets in college taught Haley more than any class.
Why neurodivergent people are often pushed toward entrepreneurship when traditional employment burns them out.
The Vanderbilt NeuroCorps fellowship making entrepreneurship more accessible for neurodivergent people.
Timestamps
00:28 — Introduction: Haley Moss and her background
01:55 — Law school, five books, and the pivot to speaking
05:11 — How Haley moved from side hustle to full-time business
09:41 — Not every hobby should become a business
13:39 — How do you decide: passion or business?
17:57 — The Vanderbilt NeuroCorps fellowship explained
19:47 — Why traditional employment pushes neurodivergent people toward entrepreneurship
21:32 — The structure you miss when you leave a job
25:56 — Why "exposure" is not payment
33:50 — Hobby, side hustle, or business: the three-bucket framework
43:07 — Three things every entrepreneur needs to know first
48:22 — Risk tolerance: how much can you actually sustain?
49:02 — Haley's why
Connect With Haley
Website: https://haleymoss.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/haley.moss/
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