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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty.
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Speaker 4: And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Speaker 3: Stop pretending it's human. That's a Florida attorney general about particularly open AI, some law, something they're trying to pull off on the day that Trump's meeting with all the big AI giants there at the White House. We do have some breaking news around the threat of AI so anthropic that is Claude and that is the AI that Elon and others have said is currently the best one out there the most powerful AI in the world they've got an IPO filing that's coming out soon that is going to be the biggest IPO probably in the history of the world somebody leaked their IPO filing in the filing anthropic says of itself that that its AI model poses an existential risk to humanity and can resist shutdown. Oh, my God. That's a heck of a thing to say in your own filing that you're trying to use to get people excited about your product.
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Speaker 2: So as the few remaining humans look across the carnage, they can say, look, we told you right in the IPO. I mean, it's not like we hid this.
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Speaker 3: Right, right. It said right here, could cause dizziness.
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Speaker 2: So... Oh, boy.
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Speaker 3: Why would they have that in the filing? It's got to be the legal thing, right? Just like you're alluding to, that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: We're not trying to claim we don't know this.
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Speaker 2: Right, right.
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Speaker 3: Here's our big IPO offering that's going to be worth $ 10 trillion, or whatever the hell I think it's going to be worth. Our model poses an existential risk to humanity. Well, that's something. That's something you don't hear every day.
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Speaker 2: If this was anything else.
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Speaker 3: It.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't happen.
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Speaker 3: That was Sam Harris's point on the podcast I was listening to yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Other than nuclear weapons, I guess.
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Speaker 3: And that's so different that it's, well, it's just so very, very, very different. I mean, if there was, it's hard. How did we get to this conversation where we've gotten to where we just accept that these companies... You know, we've come up with a new, it cures headaches, but it does pose an existential risk to humanity. That's fine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just, and I know I bring this up a lot, and I'm not a particularly religious fellow, but the idea expressed in the book of Genesis that human beings... That's right, sir. That's right. But the idea that human beings, because of our big throbbing brains... have it in us to ruin ourselves, that there's a certain level of knowledge that we will use to destroy ourselves. Um, it's, well, it's thousands of years old wisdom. And I just think it's truly come to fruition or it might have here. I know you anti-doomers. I appreciate your emails. I actually do. Cause they, you know, they reassure me enough that I can go to sleep tonight. Um, But yeah, when you put it like that, I don't know where to go or what to do or what to say.
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Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about Anthropic and their IPO and an existential threat to humans. Play that clip from Saturday Night Live. Do you have that handy? This was one of the comedians doing their version of Dario from Anthropic.
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Speaker 1: AI is the devil and I its maker.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: No, well, so, look, Sam Altman, myself, all the major AI players, we have talked about this extensively, and we are all on the same page here. We do not condone what we are doing.
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't you be talking about the pros of AI? I mean, don't you guys keep saying that it's going to cure cancer?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, put it this way. In 10 years, there's about a 10% chance that cancer won't be a problem for anyone.
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Speaker 3: I don't like the way you're saying that, buddy. I mean, how is this a good thing?
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Speaker 2: Look, so, Che, it's simple.
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Speaker 1: If you could drink a milk that made your life easier, but there was a 10% chance it killed you, would you drink the milk?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 3: Really?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So that was my favorite part.
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Speaker 2: So good.
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Speaker 3: That was my favorite part.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 3: If you could drink a milk that would, you know, be all kinds of wonderful, but 10% chance kill you.
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 3: Like they're shocked. People don't think a 10% chance of extinguishing mankind is like too high.
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 6: That's a problem for you, but it could do all this good stuff. Yeah. I'm not on board.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. If Saturday Night Live ever sees fit to make fun of me, I hope they cast a man in the role, by the way.
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Speaker 3: Dario's got a bit of a feminine quality to him, as a lot of computer geeks do.
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Speaker 2: Sure. It's fine.
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Speaker 3: It's not a criticism.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: So another thing, our executive producer, Hanson, pointed this out. I missed this earlier. So we played Elon Musk was giving advice to on how you should, like young people, if you're a 20-something, what you should do to prepare for the coming world of AI. We missed something here at the end of this little, it's 42B here, Michael?
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Speaker 4: As crazy as this sounds, we will run out, there will be so many robots and so much AI that the AI will actually be eager to hear any request that you could possibly have. Because that request will be fulfilled immediately.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there are going to be so many robots that will be eager to fulfill any request you have. I don't know if I believe that world's ever going to happen, but what's an eager robot?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's programmed to respond immediately, I guess.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be like the dog when it brings the ball to your lap and drops it and looks at you like, come on, come on, throw the ball, throw the ball. Is the robot going to be like that? Give me a task. Give me the, fold the laundry. I already folded it. What do you want me to do? I don't know. Rub my feet. I don't know. Do something.
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Speaker 2: Just go over there.
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Speaker 3: Leave me alone.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Can I take the batteries out of you and get some peace and quiet?
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Speaker 2: If you try to do that, though, it might, you know, stick a chainsaw in your belly.
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Speaker 7: Speaking of.
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Speaker 3: Really? So I came across this opinion piece in the New York Times. I'm exhausted. You're demoralized. We weren't built for a world like this. And, uh, It was talking about psychologists and taking a look at evolutionary biology. And this is the sort of thing we've talked about with no expertise, but just seems pretty obvious. That our brains, through evolution, have not been built for the amount of change that we're encountering in a short period of time. And there's a decent chance that we ain't seen nothing yet in terms of a quick changing world happening around us.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've argued for a while, even if there was no change, just this amount of information and input, every horror that's committed around the world. criticized by people I've never met and I never will meet, and y'all too, just for posting something online that they don't like. It's just, we're not made for this.
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Speaker 8: Well, right.
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Speaker 3: And the reason I bring this up is I think I've got some of this. A kind of overwhelming weariness and even sadness is increasingly the default state of what, in living memory, were optimistic get-up-and-go-ish fellow Americans. I think if we had some way of surveying Americans, we'd find huge numbers of people wondering what's coming, what's going to be next. So his point is he feels tired. Lots of people are feeling tired. There's some actual data out there to lead you to believe that there is a weariness and like a just overwhelmedness that is going on with people. That is a new thing. Right.
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Speaker 2: Right. It's 100 percent right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely think I feel it. And his his point in this New York Times piece is that people are increasingly checking out, may increasingly check out, and we might end up with a lot, a lot of people who are paying no attention whatsoever. And that, you know, ultimately, that's not a good thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that because a certain amount of involvement is necessary to run a society. But I also get to say, screw it now. I'll be on the golf course or in the woods if you need me.
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Speaker 3: Especially a democracy. I'll read just a little paragraph here. A not irrational response to all this would be to try to ignore it. Lots of people are doing so, yet this kind of avoidance will just get us in deeper trouble by ceding control to those who profit from it. So I hope we won't choose quietism or escape, writes this professor.
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Speaker 2: What's the alternative?
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Speaker 3: Some of it depends on your age. I'm in the winter of my life, and I don't know how much effect I can have on what's going to happen. If I'm young, I don't know. You still just got to look out for your own sanity to a certain extent.
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Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying for years. I'm not worried about humanity. per se. There's nothing I can do about humanity. I can affect the people near me, maybe, including myself, to preserve our sanity.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my ability to take in.
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Speaker 3: All the news every day is not the same as it was 10 years ago. And I don't think it's my age. I think it's the age we're living in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's just, it's just so much and so much change, whether it's, you know, wokeness and all the weirdness in the, you know, getting flipped off by people because the kind of car I drive and the overwhelming amount of into the fire hose of information that we get hit with. Then all this AI discussion. I don't know. It's weird that as a beast, we're thinking, you know what, screw it. I guess that's a self-preservation mechanism. Like I've been telling people, when I retire someday, my goal is to not even know who the president is. I want to be so checked out, I don't even know who's president. I'm not only not following it on a daily basis, I don't even know who the president is. That's how checked out I want to be. That's probably not good. I mean, it'd be good for me, but for society, you know, just like that guy said there, if we all check out to a certain extent, the people that profit are going to take over even more than they already have.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I don't know. I feel like I've paid my dues. Now y'all take over.
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Speaker 3: Good luck with that.
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Speaker 2: By the way, you're screwed. Anyway, I'll be in the woods.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Luckily, while I don't know if there's anything I can do about the general big picture, like AI taking over the world stuff, I am very excited of trying to stand in the way of socialists and and wokists and those kind of people from having their way, for instance, in my kids' schools.
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Speaker 2: Hear, hear.
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Speaker 3: That gets me pretty motivated every day. Any thoughts on any of that? The biggest IPO in world history is about to come out, and they put in their paperwork, this might destroy humanity. Try to wrap your head around that. Anyway, our text line is 415-295-KFTC. The Armstrong and Getty Show. We should talk about that bill to try to save college sports that the Senate passed yesterday, maybe a little bit later.
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Speaker 2: I have a number of questions about that, all sorts of stuff to get to. First, I would like to have you hear this clip, which is labeled on our official sheet. Deer runs onto field during football game and scores TD. Michael?
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Speaker 3: He got the 40. He got.
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Speaker 7: Midfield.
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Speaker 2: This deer could go all the way.
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Speaker 3: A 20, a 15, the 10. Touchdown, Deer!
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Speaker 2: Did the deer have clear possession of the ball? Yes or no? It's not a touchdown.
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Speaker 3: We're all four legs inbound. That's right.
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Speaker 2: Now, wait a minute. If your receiver's a deer, does it have to just get two hooves inbounds?
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Speaker 3: Or all four of them? I think it's your max. The total number of legs you have, I think. You've got to get all your legs. All eight or six?
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Speaker 2: Eight, clearly, yes. Oh, yeah. OK, fair enough. So the very troubling Cornell rape case story is getting a lot of attention. It's entirely possible you've misheard it. We'll we'll talk about that a little bit later on. Also, if you have unpainted fingernails, ladies, that's a sign of white supremacy. Well, according to the BBC, you can't. Parody has become impossible now. And I resent it as a parodist. Which reminds me, the Babylon Bee recreating the Last Ditch Bar drama.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 2: Is that good? I haven't heard it.
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Speaker 3: It's funny. Very, very funny.
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Speaker 2: You want to just listen to it now?
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Speaker 3: We can. Do we have time for that?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, this is the Babylon Bee. This is just playing out. I'm going to assume you know the whole story about the lesbian bar and all that sort of stuff. This is them playing out. There's a couple of visuals in there, but I think it still works.
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Speaker 7: As a lesbian, I sure am attracted to other women.
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Speaker 3: I as well, which is why I came to this lesbian bar.
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Speaker 7: The important thing is we're still wearing masks as we still think COVID is a thing in 2026.
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Speaker 3: Yes, nothing more important than masks. Tries to drink through the mask.
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Speaker 7: Hey folks, we're gonna do a little change. Once a week, masks will be optional.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, long COVID!
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Speaker 1: This is genocide of the disabled.
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Speaker 3: I think everyone is overreacting.
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Speaker 7: Just say you're complicit in a mass disabling event and get it over with.
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Speaker 3: Hello, lesbians. I have some mail about your new policy change. All death threats.
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Speaker 7: All I wanted was to serve alcohol to lesbians. Spare us your white they-them tears.
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Speaker 2: That's it! I'm going to clown college!
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Speaker 3: That was a good ending.
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Speaker 2: As they continue to pour drinks down their chests.
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Speaker 3: That is from the Boston Globe- Article, the original article that kicked this whole thing off that ended with one of the owners could not be contacted because they're at Clown College.
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Speaker 2: And some of those were direct quotes, too.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Just admit that you're part of a genocidal event and then and be done with it.
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Speaker 3: Not the mailman when he comes in and says, hello, lesbians. Here's your mail. All death threats.
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Speaker 6: I just wanted to serve drinks to lesbians.
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Speaker 3: Which is a quote from one of the owners.
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Speaker 2: These people are still in charge of a lot of our education complexes in the U.S. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. It's hilarious. They're lunatics. They're cultists. And they're still in charge of a lot of stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I was listening to some pundits say it's a step in the right direction that a mainstream newspaper, which means it's a lefty newspaper, wrote a pretending to be straight story that was clearly.
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Speaker 3: Mocking the wokeness of these people.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: That wouldn't have happened a few years ago.
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Speaker 2: Also coming up, Chemical Storm versus Driver B.O., the great Uber battle.
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Speaker 3: This gang rape story at the university is getting a lot of attention. I think one newscast I watched last night led with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Stand by for facts, friends. It's a bit lurid. In fact, it's very lurid, but it may not be what it appears to be.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't look into it. If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.
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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.
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Speaker 3: Huge drop in gay high schoolers, according to studies. How would that happen?
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Speaker 2: We'll discuss. Yeah, yeah. The way I first heard the story, and this is 100% not for the kids, this segment, the story of the alleged Cornell gang rape was that these seven fraternity brothers had drugged and raped a young woman during an hours-long assault at their house in upstate New York. And that.
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Speaker 2: Not only were these gang rapists not charged, but they were let off essentially by the university if they wrote an essay about how that was not good. And the story was presented that this is an absolutely outrageous allowing of sort of terrible, terrible crime because universities are so easy on young men or something, which obviously is a bit odd.
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Speaker 3: And so I hadn't even thought about that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: How would that occur? in the modern setting anyway? Anyway, back to you.
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Speaker 2: Where merely in an accusation is enough to get you booted off campus, or at least it was before Trump got back in office. Anyway. So when I heard the story, and this is an old, old Armstrong and Getty principle, if a story seems impossible, It's impossible it unfolded the way it did. There's a good chance you're missing a key piece of information. And indeed, that seems to be at work here. It's not clear to me exactly why this woman came forward in 2024 to tell the campus police what happened. But she did. She made a six-page statement to the police in 2024, and they referred it to the prosecutors in the area. The campus police referred the statement to the prosecutors. The prosecutors said, we don't see a crime here and did not prosecute. Now this woman has filed a civil lawsuit against these seven young men who are all named, one of whom just lost his job. He was just fired recently. from a big financial company for being on this list or, you know, for something related to this. The prosecutor in the case has been getting deluged with pressure on the phone, online, in the mailbox, even being called a monster and a rapist protector and blah, blah, blah. And he said, look, Y'all going to say that stuff. I'm releasing the six page statement from 2024. And he has. I'm going to edit it a little bit. For the purposes of, you know, reasonably good taste. Male number one brought Jane Doe to a quiet area and asked Jane Doe how she would feel about having a threesome with two male partners. she described how she met up with male number one in his fraternity after a night at the bars. Jane Doe agreed to how attracted she was to male number one on top of her drunken curiousness. When she learned that male number two would be the third participant, Jane Doe remembered being excited because she thought that male number one and male number two wanting to have a threesome meant that they were gay. Anyway, sweetheart, it doesn't. From there, the night descended into a scene of shocking bacchanal, with the group snorting ketamine off each other's naked bodies, guzzling booze as they had sex, with some of the men struggling to stay conscious, dry heaving, etc.
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Speaker 3: Sounds fun.
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Speaker 2: Oh, Lord. At the start of the threesome, Jane Doe described her intoxication level as five or six out of ten, and that she was, quote, pretty okay with having this threesome, the statement said.
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Speaker 8: Hmm.
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Speaker 2: Later, another brother tried to get in the room with Doe letting him in because it was his room before they and male two allegedly started having sex alongside passed out male number one. Male number one would eventually wake up. These are all quotes from the report and said he wanted to take part and asked about making it a foursome to which Jane Doe said, hell no, because three men would perhaps go places she didn't want them to be. We'll leave it at that. Other men began entering the room where Doe said she was beginning to lose track of what was happening in her deepening intoxication from drugs and booze. Male number seven said something very rude and mean to her. Male number seven apologized and grabbed her face and started kissing her. Jane Doe quickly backed away to stop male number seven from kissing her. The males began complimenting Jane Doe and talking about how pretty she was. Male number four asked Jane Doe if they could all do drugs off her perfect body. Jane Doe responded, sure. Jane Doe remembered snorting more ketamine and remembered feeling extremely high. Male number one said he wanted to have sex again because he wanted redemption for having passed out earlier in the night. I admire his spirit. Anyway, Jane Doe initially stated that she was tired and asked male number one, what happened to just you and me? Jane Doe could not remember how it started, but she engaged, then engaged in the threesome. The disturbing night finally ended at 545, about four hours after it started. when the woman described herself as now being in around an 8 out of 10 intoxication level and said she told the brothers she was tired and needed to turn in. At that point, both guys stopped the threesome with her. As far as she can remember, the DA's statement concluded. And then she went home. And the DA looked at it and said, there's no physically forced sex. All drugs and alcohol were taken on the then 20-year-old's own volition and that she never claimed to have been unconscious or helpless at any point. Jane Doe's sworn statement in November of 24 did not allege that she was drugged against her will or gang raped. On the contrary, Jane Doe's statement described her participation in drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual. While the behavior of certain Chi Phi fraternity members was without question disgusting and morally reprehensible, the foundation of the criminal justice system is that criminal prosecutions must be based upon evidence and not emotion, etc., etc. And then it names the seven young men named, and at least one has lost his job. There was a bit of a text string where somebody said to his fraternity brothers, free blank, you can walk in and whip it out, which is lovely. Yeah. And now this woman has filed a civil lawsuit.
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Speaker 3: Well, I always hate these stories. We've been through many of these over the years, whether it was you know, Kavanaugh before all the details came out or Roethlisberger, the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers in Tahoe with that one girl or whatever. I always hate these stories just because unless you were there and like lived it in real time, it's, you know, it's always so hard to know if you've ever been in, you know, had a drunken evening. And I've known several women who had occurrences like this who they really wish that occurrence had not happened but it did happen and it unfolded over time and in retrospect they wish it wouldn't happen but at the time you know it seemed like a good idea at the time or didn't know what was going on or oh no no the whole thing is ugly and uh where where it crosses the line into people ought to be going to jail oh it's really tough really.
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Speaker 2: Or losing their jobs yeah yeah Yeah. If acting reprehensibly as a 20 year old could doom your career, there would be a lot of empty offices in America, male and female. Yeah. So. I wasn't there. I can't pronounce that. You know, the statement in 2024 is definitively true and clear in that. This is a money grab by the woman. But the facts as they're known now make it seem like either a money grab or profound, profound regret, which can easily morph into I was really forced. I had to have been forced. Otherwise, I have to alter my self-conception, which is really hard for people to do. Sorry, I'm throwing around jargon.
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Speaker 3: She would have to.
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Speaker 2: Fundamentally alter who she believes she is. If she were to accept, I did that willingly. And some people don't have the psychological resilience to do that. It's a terrible situation.
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Speaker 3: Where does it stand currently and where is it likely to go?
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Speaker 2: Well, legally speaking, she's filed a civil lawsuit and now this has to work its way through the system. Whether it ever gets to trial or there are settlements or a judge throws it out on the basis of one thing or another. How many of these guys who, again, are named first and last names in all the press accounts.
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Speaker 3: If this had happened.
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Speaker 2: What it does to their lives.
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Speaker 3: When was the height of Me Too? If this had happened five years ago, whenever that was, they'd already all be out of work, maybe in jail.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe. Maybe. You know, I certainly was involved with slash witnessed or was very close to some wild partying in college. And the idea that if you walked into this scene as male number five and, you know, everybody's hammered, including you, and somebody says, yeah, you reached out and grabbed her butt and then you walked out again. Should I be losing my career now? I mean, again, I'm not saying it's a fine and good behavior, but man, once you, and here's advice for you kids out there. Once you enter the swirling waters of really immoral behavior, or we'll just call it wild behavior.
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Speaker 3: And everybody's hammered.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy stuff happens and sometimes people get hurt. Avoid it. It's a bad idea. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And then it's also really hard to nail down the facts.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: For the obvious reasons.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Which which there is no way to nail down the facts. So then you're into, OK, now what are we going to do with this situation? It'll be interesting.
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Speaker 2: To see where this ends up well and again the prosecutor put all this out because he's like look i don't see a crime here stop yelling at me i'm pro gang rape i'm.
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Speaker 3: Not what's the likelihood now he's been doxxed right I believe he's been doxxed. The guy who didn't prosecute this originally.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, he's a public figure. Right.
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Speaker 3: But that doesn't usually include your home address.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 3: And it does now. At what point does the girl and her name and picture come out? I'd say within 48 hours.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 3: Almost impossible that it does not. And then she'll get the backlash. That comes with that in the modern world. We were talking about that earlier with the holdout juror from the Clancy trial who is having to move around with his kids because of all the threats in the modern world. If you end up in a national story that people can take sides on, you're going to end up in a that's a bad thing to have happen in your life.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of sexual stuff, we got a hot mic incident with a pro basketball team in which some female reporters had access to seeing young men and they started making sexual comments about them.
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Speaker 8: What?
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Speaker 3: Oh, my God. like, to each other.
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Speaker 2: Horrible.
00:32:08
Speaker 3: I guess it's horrible.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get to that at some point. Among other things, stay here.
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Speaker 7: Armstrong and Getty.
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Speaker 8: It isn't just girls who want to have fun. And despite the rising price of recreation, a Bank of America analysis suggests it's a price we're willing to pay. Government statistics show the recreation index rising 2.7% in the past 12 months, while spending on hobbies from arts and crafts to skydiving soared nearly 8% last month compared to August of last year.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's great. I like to do watercolors while I skydive. They're calling it funflations. They should stop.
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Speaker 3: They should.
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Speaker 2: That's not fun at all.
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Speaker 3: I have a feeling neither Joe or I have ever seen these. I know I haven't. I actually know the things I know and don't know. I'm guessing Joe hasn't.
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Speaker 2: No unknowns, yes.
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing Joe hasn't. Katie, maybe you have. Palm cooling devices are all the rage among athletes right now. Has anybody seen these?
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Speaker 2: Nuh-uh. No.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 3: Katie, I don't I don't think I have. It sounds like complete crap to me, but professional athletes are palm cooling. I tried it for my casual runs. This New York Times. Runner, researcher, follower of exercise trends said exercise and diet is like, man, it's it's as trendy as any fashion could possibly be. And I guess we're all looking for that new diet that will work better than all the other ones we tried and didn't work. And same with exercising, I guess. So there's always a and some of them are true. They come along. They're good ideas. Some of them are just crap. But anyway, if you most of them are about as good as the last one. If you've glanced at the sideline during pretty much any professional sports recently, you've noticed athletes clutching a mysterious long black cylinder. These devices are meant to cool palms, supposedly reducing fatigue and allowing athletes to exert themselves beyond their usual limits. If this device is good enough for the world's best athletes, it could be for me, said a casual runner. Okay, that's some good logic. They're just fancy ice packs, according to this New York Times reviewer. These cylinders are a type of performance-enhancing gear known as palm cooling devices, and the devices make big claims. By cooling the blood running beneath the skin of your palms, they promise to reduce fatigue and allow an athlete to exert themselves beyond their usual limits.
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Speaker 2: Makes sense to me.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever been in the middle of a workout and thought, man, I wish my palms were cooler. My hot palms are really slowing me down. Yeah, really messing with me here. Well, according to this... The hairless skin on your palms is uniquely suited for temperature exchange.
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Speaker 2: Oh, clearly.
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Speaker 3: Beneath the skin of the palm are specialized blood vessels called the arteriovarianis entomosis, which remove heat from the circulating blood when cooled, said this Ph.D. professor of kinesiology at Cal Poly. The process is similar to the age-old advice of running your wrists under cold water on a hot summer day, which must not be age-old advice in my world because I've never heard it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, actually. But, okay. All right. So your palms are especially adapted to cooling your blood?
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Speaker 3: Have you run your wrists under cold water? I've never heard that in my whole life, and I've lived in a lot of hot places. Never heard that in my life.
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Speaker 2: Does it work? I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Does it do anything? Do you do it a lot?
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Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt. You're hot, and you have cold water on you, so it's pleasant. Beyond that, I have no idea.
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Speaker 3: Cooling the palms also provides a strong sensory signal to the central nervous system, said the Ph.D. That information can influence perceived effort, exercise tolerance and ultimately the decision to continue or stop exercising. So that's the latest trade trend. If you want to be the cool, I'm doing the latest thing person at the gym, you've got the palm cooling devices that you can get on Amazon for a couple hundred bucks.
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Speaker 2: See, my disgust at the idea of being that person is so strong that even if this was legit, I couldn't use it.
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Speaker 3: Even if it worked, you wouldn't want to be that guy?
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Speaker 2: No, I can't.
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Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me, I was thinking about it, I saw a picture of the new Philadelphia 76ers, the NBA season's about to kick off, and if you're a basketball fan, you wonder, what's that team going to be like with LeBron on it and all those scores and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, LeBron is wearing that leg sleeve and.
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Speaker 3: All everything I've read is that most of those sleeves do nothing. It's just, it's just things that the NBA players decided they kind of like, and then you get used to, and then you, and then you get a little bit of a, um, uh, uh, what is that? When you, uh, you believe something that's not true. Yeah. It becomes a bit of a superstition where like Colby did that. He had a good shooting night when he wore one of those sleeves. So he just kept wearing it all the time, but it doesn't necessarily do anything. So I thought they were all for compression. Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: The leg stuff matters.
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Speaker 3: Well, it depends on whether it's compressing you or not. But some of them are just things that are on your arm. It's like wearing a long sleeve shirt versus a short sleeve shirt. It's not really doing anything.
00:37:27
Speaker 2: But what about a necktie?
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Speaker 3: But once they become popular, then other people see it and think, I need to have one of those. And then, you know, then it just kind of catches on. And I think the palm cooling devices might be that. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Give it a whirl.
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Speaker 3: I'll try it today. I'll try the necktie. Get a couple of cold cans of Coca-Cola and walk around them in my palm of my hand.
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Speaker 2: Sure. You want to have the hot hand, but you've got to have cool hands as well.
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Speaker 3: Stop pretending it's human. That's a Florida attorney general about particularly open AI, some law, something they're trying to pull off on the day that Trump's meeting with all the big AI giants there at the White House. We do have some breaking news around the threat of AI so anthropic that is Claude and that is the AI that Elon and others have said is currently the best one out there the most powerful AI in the world they've got an IPO filing that's coming out soon that is going to be the biggest IPO probably in the history of the world somebody leaked their IPO filing in the filing anthropic says of itself that that its AI model poses an existential risk to humanity and can resist shutdown. Oh, my God. That's a heck of a thing to say in your own filing that you're trying to use to get people excited about your product.
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Speaker 2: So as the few remaining humans look across the carnage, they can say, look, we told you right in the IPO. I mean, it's not like we hid this.
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Speaker 3: Right, right. It said right here, could cause dizziness.
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Speaker 2: So... Oh, boy.
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Speaker 3: Why would they have that in the filing? It's got to be the legal thing, right? Just like you're alluding to, that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: We're not trying to claim we don't know this.
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Speaker 2: Right, right.
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Speaker 3: Here's our big IPO offering that's going to be worth $ 10 trillion, or whatever the hell I think it's going to be worth. Our model poses an existential risk to humanity. Well, that's something. That's something you don't hear every day.
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Speaker 2: If this was anything else.
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Speaker 3: It.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't happen.
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Speaker 3: That was Sam Harris's point on the podcast I was listening to yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Other than nuclear weapons, I guess.
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Speaker 3: And that's so different that it's, well, it's just so very, very, very different. I mean, if there was, it's hard. How did we get to this conversation where we've gotten to where we just accept that these companies... You know, we've come up with a new, it cures headaches, but it does pose an existential risk to humanity. That's fine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just, and I know I bring this up a lot, and I'm not a particularly religious fellow, but the idea expressed in the book of Genesis that human beings... That's right, sir. That's right. But the idea that human beings, because of our big throbbing brains... have it in us to ruin ourselves, that there's a certain level of knowledge that we will use to destroy ourselves. Um, it's, well, it's thousands of years old wisdom. And I just think it's truly come to fruition or it might have here. I know you anti-doomers. I appreciate your emails. I actually do. Cause they, you know, they reassure me enough that I can go to sleep tonight. Um, But yeah, when you put it like that, I don't know where to go or what to do or what to say.
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Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about Anthropic and their IPO and an existential threat to humans. Play that clip from Saturday Night Live. Do you have that handy? This was one of the comedians doing their version of Dario from Anthropic.
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Speaker 1: AI is the devil and I its maker.
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: No, well, so, look, Sam Altman, myself, all the major AI players, we have talked about this extensively, and we are all on the same page here. We do not condone what we are doing.
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't you be talking about the pros of AI? I mean, don't you guys keep saying that it's going to cure cancer?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, put it this way. In 10 years, there's about a 10% chance that cancer won't be a problem for anyone.
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Speaker 3: I don't like the way you're saying that, buddy. I mean, how is this a good thing?
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Speaker 2: Look, so, Che, it's simple.
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Speaker 1: If you could drink a milk that made your life easier, but there was a 10% chance it killed you, would you drink the milk?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 3: Really?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So that was my favorite part.
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Speaker 2: So good.
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Speaker 3: That was my favorite part.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 3: If you could drink a milk that would, you know, be all kinds of wonderful, but 10% chance kill you.
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 3: Like they're shocked. People don't think a 10% chance of extinguishing mankind is like too high.
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 6: That's a problem for you, but it could do all this good stuff. Yeah. I'm not on board.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. If Saturday Night Live ever sees fit to make fun of me, I hope they cast a man in the role, by the way.
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Speaker 3: Dario's got a bit of a feminine quality to him, as a lot of computer geeks do.
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Speaker 2: Sure. It's fine.
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Speaker 3: It's not a criticism.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: So another thing, our executive producer, Hanson, pointed this out. I missed this earlier. So we played Elon Musk was giving advice to on how you should, like young people, if you're a 20-something, what you should do to prepare for the coming world of AI. We missed something here at the end of this little, it's 42B here, Michael?
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Speaker 4: As crazy as this sounds, we will run out, there will be so many robots and so much AI that the AI will actually be eager to hear any request that you could possibly have. Because that request will be fulfilled immediately.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there are going to be so many robots that will be eager to fulfill any request you have. I don't know if I believe that world's ever going to happen, but what's an eager robot?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's programmed to respond immediately, I guess.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be like the dog when it brings the ball to your lap and drops it and looks at you like, come on, come on, throw the ball, throw the ball. Is the robot going to be like that? Give me a task. Give me the, fold the laundry. I already folded it. What do you want me to do? I don't know. Rub my feet. I don't know. Do something.
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Speaker 2: Just go over there.
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Speaker 3: Leave me alone.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Can I take the batteries out of you and get some peace and quiet?
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Speaker 2: If you try to do that, though, it might, you know, stick a chainsaw in your belly.
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Speaker 7: Speaking of.
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Speaker 3: Really? So I came across this opinion piece in the New York Times. I'm exhausted. You're demoralized. We weren't built for a world like this. And, uh, It was talking about psychologists and taking a look at evolutionary biology. And this is the sort of thing we've talked about with no expertise, but just seems pretty obvious. That our brains, through evolution, have not been built for the amount of change that we're encountering in a short period of time. And there's a decent chance that we ain't seen nothing yet in terms of a quick changing world happening around us.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've argued for a while, even if there was no change, just this amount of information and input, every horror that's committed around the world. criticized by people I've never met and I never will meet, and y'all too, just for posting something online that they don't like. It's just, we're not made for this.
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Speaker 8: Well, right.
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Speaker 3: And the reason I bring this up is I think I've got some of this. A kind of overwhelming weariness and even sadness is increasingly the default state of what, in living memory, were optimistic get-up-and-go-ish fellow Americans. I think if we had some way of surveying Americans, we'd find huge numbers of people wondering what's coming, what's going to be next. So his point is he feels tired. Lots of people are feeling tired. There's some actual data out there to lead you to believe that there is a weariness and like a just overwhelmedness that is going on with people. That is a new thing. Right.
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Speaker 2: Right. It's 100 percent right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely think I feel it. And his his point in this New York Times piece is that people are increasingly checking out, may increasingly check out, and we might end up with a lot, a lot of people who are paying no attention whatsoever. And that, you know, ultimately, that's not a good thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that because a certain amount of involvement is necessary to run a society. But I also get to say, screw it now. I'll be on the golf course or in the woods if you need me.
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Speaker 3: Especially a democracy. I'll read just a little paragraph here. A not irrational response to all this would be to try to ignore it. Lots of people are doing so, yet this kind of avoidance will just get us in deeper trouble by ceding control to those who profit from it. So I hope we won't choose quietism or escape, writes this professor.
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Speaker 2: What's the alternative?
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Speaker 3: Some of it depends on your age. I'm in the winter of my life, and I don't know how much effect I can have on what's going to happen. If I'm young, I don't know. You still just got to look out for your own sanity to a certain extent.
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Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying for years. I'm not worried about humanity. per se. There's nothing I can do about humanity. I can affect the people near me, maybe, including myself, to preserve our sanity.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my ability to take in.
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Speaker 3: All the news every day is not the same as it was 10 years ago. And I don't think it's my age. I think it's the age we're living in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's just, it's just so much and so much change, whether it's, you know, wokeness and all the weirdness in the, you know, getting flipped off by people because the kind of car I drive and the overwhelming amount of into the fire hose of information that we get hit with. Then all this AI discussion. I don't know. It's weird that as a beast, we're thinking, you know what, screw it. I guess that's a self-preservation mechanism. Like I've been telling people, when I retire someday, my goal is to not even know who the president is. I want to be so checked out, I don't even know who's president. I'm not only not following it on a daily basis, I don't even know who the president is. That's how checked out I want to be. That's probably not good. I mean, it'd be good for me, but for society, you know, just like that guy said there, if we all check out to a certain extent, the people that profit are going to take over even more than they already have.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I don't know. I feel like I've paid my dues. Now y'all take over.
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Speaker 3: Good luck with that.
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Speaker 2: By the way, you're screwed. Anyway, I'll be in the woods.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Luckily, while I don't know if there's anything I can do about the general big picture, like AI taking over the world stuff, I am very excited of trying to stand in the way of socialists and and wokists and those kind of people from having their way, for instance, in my kids' schools.
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Speaker 2: Hear, hear.
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Speaker 3: That gets me pretty motivated every day. Any thoughts on any of that? The biggest IPO in world history is about to come out, and they put in their paperwork, this might destroy humanity. Try to wrap your head around that. Anyway, our text line is 415-295-KFTC. The Armstrong and Getty Show. We should talk about that bill to try to save college sports that the Senate passed yesterday, maybe a little bit later.
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Speaker 2: I have a number of questions about that, all sorts of stuff to get to. First, I would like to have you hear this clip, which is labeled on our official sheet. Deer runs onto field during football game and scores TD. Michael?
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Speaker 3: He got the 40. He got.
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Speaker 7: Midfield.
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Speaker 2: This deer could go all the way.
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Speaker 3: A 20, a 15, the 10. Touchdown, Deer!
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Speaker 2: Did the deer have clear possession of the ball? Yes or no? It's not a touchdown.
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Speaker 3: We're all four legs inbound. That's right.
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Speaker 2: Now, wait a minute. If your receiver's a deer, does it have to just get two hooves inbounds?
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Speaker 3: Or all four of them? I think it's your max. The total number of legs you have, I think. You've got to get all your legs. All eight or six?
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Speaker 2: Eight, clearly, yes. Oh, yeah. OK, fair enough. So the very troubling Cornell rape case story is getting a lot of attention. It's entirely possible you've misheard it. We'll we'll talk about that a little bit later on. Also, if you have unpainted fingernails, ladies, that's a sign of white supremacy. Well, according to the BBC, you can't. Parody has become impossible now. And I resent it as a parodist. Which reminds me, the Babylon Bee recreating the Last Ditch Bar drama.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 2: Is that good? I haven't heard it.
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Speaker 3: It's funny. Very, very funny.
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Speaker 2: You want to just listen to it now?
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Speaker 3: We can. Do we have time for that?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, this is the Babylon Bee. This is just playing out. I'm going to assume you know the whole story about the lesbian bar and all that sort of stuff. This is them playing out. There's a couple of visuals in there, but I think it still works.
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Speaker 7: As a lesbian, I sure am attracted to other women.
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Speaker 3: I as well, which is why I came to this lesbian bar.
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Speaker 7: The important thing is we're still wearing masks as we still think COVID is a thing in 2026.
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Speaker 3: Yes, nothing more important than masks. Tries to drink through the mask.
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Speaker 7: Hey folks, we're gonna do a little change. Once a week, masks will be optional.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, long COVID!
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Speaker 1: This is genocide of the disabled.
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Speaker 3: I think everyone is overreacting.
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Speaker 7: Just say you're complicit in a mass disabling event and get it over with.
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Speaker 3: Hello, lesbians. I have some mail about your new policy change. All death threats.
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Speaker 7: All I wanted was to serve alcohol to lesbians. Spare us your white they-them tears.
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Speaker 2: That's it! I'm going to clown college!
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Speaker 3: That was a good ending.
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Speaker 2: As they continue to pour drinks down their chests.
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Speaker 3: That is from the Boston Globe- Article, the original article that kicked this whole thing off that ended with one of the owners could not be contacted because they're at Clown College.
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Speaker 2: And some of those were direct quotes, too.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Just admit that you're part of a genocidal event and then and be done with it.
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Speaker 3: Not the mailman when he comes in and says, hello, lesbians. Here's your mail. All death threats.
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Speaker 6: I just wanted to serve drinks to lesbians.
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Speaker 3: Which is a quote from one of the owners.
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Speaker 2: These people are still in charge of a lot of our education complexes in the U.S. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. It's hilarious. They're lunatics. They're cultists. And they're still in charge of a lot of stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I was listening to some pundits say it's a step in the right direction that a mainstream newspaper, which means it's a lefty newspaper, wrote a pretending to be straight story that was clearly.
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Speaker 3: Mocking the wokeness of these people.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: That wouldn't have happened a few years ago.
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Speaker 2: Also coming up, Chemical Storm versus Driver B.O., the great Uber battle.
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Speaker 3: This gang rape story at the university is getting a lot of attention. I think one newscast I watched last night led with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Stand by for facts, friends. It's a bit lurid. In fact, it's very lurid, but it may not be what it appears to be.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't look into it. If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.
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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.
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Speaker 3: Huge drop in gay high schoolers, according to studies. How would that happen?
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Speaker 2: We'll discuss. Yeah, yeah. The way I first heard the story, and this is 100% not for the kids, this segment, the story of the alleged Cornell gang rape was that these seven fraternity brothers had drugged and raped a young woman during an hours-long assault at their house in upstate New York. And that.
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Speaker 2: Not only were these gang rapists not charged, but they were let off essentially by the university if they wrote an essay about how that was not good. And the story was presented that this is an absolutely outrageous allowing of sort of terrible, terrible crime because universities are so easy on young men or something, which obviously is a bit odd.
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Speaker 3: And so I hadn't even thought about that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: How would that occur? in the modern setting anyway? Anyway, back to you.
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Speaker 2: Where merely in an accusation is enough to get you booted off campus, or at least it was before Trump got back in office. Anyway. So when I heard the story, and this is an old, old Armstrong and Getty principle, if a story seems impossible, It's impossible it unfolded the way it did. There's a good chance you're missing a key piece of information. And indeed, that seems to be at work here. It's not clear to me exactly why this woman came forward in 2024 to tell the campus police what happened. But she did. She made a six-page statement to the police in 2024, and they referred it to the prosecutors in the area. The campus police referred the statement to the prosecutors. The prosecutors said, we don't see a crime here and did not prosecute. Now this woman has filed a civil lawsuit against these seven young men who are all named, one of whom just lost his job. He was just fired recently. from a big financial company for being on this list or, you know, for something related to this. The prosecutor in the case has been getting deluged with pressure on the phone, online, in the mailbox, even being called a monster and a rapist protector and blah, blah, blah. And he said, look, Y'all going to say that stuff. I'm releasing the six page statement from 2024. And he has. I'm going to edit it a little bit. For the purposes of, you know, reasonably good taste. Male number one brought Jane Doe to a quiet area and asked Jane Doe how she would feel about having a threesome with two male partners. she described how she met up with male number one in his fraternity after a night at the bars. Jane Doe agreed to how attracted she was to male number one on top of her drunken curiousness. When she learned that male number two would be the third participant, Jane Doe remembered being excited because she thought that male number one and male number two wanting to have a threesome meant that they were gay. Anyway, sweetheart, it doesn't. From there, the night descended into a scene of shocking bacchanal, with the group snorting ketamine off each other's naked bodies, guzzling booze as they had sex, with some of the men struggling to stay conscious, dry heaving, etc.
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Speaker 3: Sounds fun.
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Speaker 2: Oh, Lord. At the start of the threesome, Jane Doe described her intoxication level as five or six out of ten, and that she was, quote, pretty okay with having this threesome, the statement said.
00:22:55
Speaker 8: Hmm.
00:22:56
Speaker 2: Later, another brother tried to get in the room with Doe letting him in because it was his room before they and male two allegedly started having sex alongside passed out male number one. Male number one would eventually wake up. These are all quotes from the report and said he wanted to take part and asked about making it a foursome to which Jane Doe said, hell no, because three men would perhaps go places she didn't want them to be. We'll leave it at that. Other men began entering the room where Doe said she was beginning to lose track of what was happening in her deepening intoxication from drugs and booze. Male number seven said something very rude and mean to her. Male number seven apologized and grabbed her face and started kissing her. Jane Doe quickly backed away to stop male number seven from kissing her. The males began complimenting Jane Doe and talking about how pretty she was. Male number four asked Jane Doe if they could all do drugs off her perfect body. Jane Doe responded, sure. Jane Doe remembered snorting more ketamine and remembered feeling extremely high. Male number one said he wanted to have sex again because he wanted redemption for having passed out earlier in the night. I admire his spirit. Anyway, Jane Doe initially stated that she was tired and asked male number one, what happened to just you and me? Jane Doe could not remember how it started, but she engaged, then engaged in the threesome. The disturbing night finally ended at 545, about four hours after it started. when the woman described herself as now being in around an 8 out of 10 intoxication level and said she told the brothers she was tired and needed to turn in. At that point, both guys stopped the threesome with her. As far as she can remember, the DA's statement concluded. And then she went home. And the DA looked at it and said, there's no physically forced sex. All drugs and alcohol were taken on the then 20-year-old's own volition and that she never claimed to have been unconscious or helpless at any point. Jane Doe's sworn statement in November of 24 did not allege that she was drugged against her will or gang raped. On the contrary, Jane Doe's statement described her participation in drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual. While the behavior of certain Chi Phi fraternity members was without question disgusting and morally reprehensible, the foundation of the criminal justice system is that criminal prosecutions must be based upon evidence and not emotion, etc., etc. And then it names the seven young men named, and at least one has lost his job. There was a bit of a text string where somebody said to his fraternity brothers, free blank, you can walk in and whip it out, which is lovely. Yeah. And now this woman has filed a civil lawsuit.
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Speaker 3: Well, I always hate these stories. We've been through many of these over the years, whether it was you know, Kavanaugh before all the details came out or Roethlisberger, the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers in Tahoe with that one girl or whatever. I always hate these stories just because unless you were there and like lived it in real time, it's, you know, it's always so hard to know if you've ever been in, you know, had a drunken evening. And I've known several women who had occurrences like this who they really wish that occurrence had not happened but it did happen and it unfolded over time and in retrospect they wish it wouldn't happen but at the time you know it seemed like a good idea at the time or didn't know what was going on or oh no no the whole thing is ugly and uh where where it crosses the line into people ought to be going to jail oh it's really tough really.
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Speaker 2: Or losing their jobs yeah yeah Yeah. If acting reprehensibly as a 20 year old could doom your career, there would be a lot of empty offices in America, male and female. Yeah. So. I wasn't there. I can't pronounce that. You know, the statement in 2024 is definitively true and clear in that. This is a money grab by the woman. But the facts as they're known now make it seem like either a money grab or profound, profound regret, which can easily morph into I was really forced. I had to have been forced. Otherwise, I have to alter my self-conception, which is really hard for people to do. Sorry, I'm throwing around jargon.
00:27:32
Speaker 3: She would have to.
00:27:32
Speaker 2: Fundamentally alter who she believes she is. If she were to accept, I did that willingly. And some people don't have the psychological resilience to do that. It's a terrible situation.
00:27:50
Speaker 3: Where does it stand currently and where is it likely to go?
00:27:55
Speaker 2: Well, legally speaking, she's filed a civil lawsuit and now this has to work its way through the system. Whether it ever gets to trial or there are settlements or a judge throws it out on the basis of one thing or another. How many of these guys who, again, are named first and last names in all the press accounts.
00:28:16
Speaker 3: If this had happened.
00:28:17
Speaker 2: What it does to their lives.
00:28:20
Speaker 3: When was the height of Me Too? If this had happened five years ago, whenever that was, they'd already all be out of work, maybe in jail.
00:28:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe. Maybe. You know, I certainly was involved with slash witnessed or was very close to some wild partying in college. And the idea that if you walked into this scene as male number five and, you know, everybody's hammered, including you, and somebody says, yeah, you reached out and grabbed her butt and then you walked out again. Should I be losing my career now? I mean, again, I'm not saying it's a fine and good behavior, but man, once you, and here's advice for you kids out there. Once you enter the swirling waters of really immoral behavior, or we'll just call it wild behavior.
00:29:16
Speaker 3: And everybody's hammered.
00:29:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy stuff happens and sometimes people get hurt. Avoid it. It's a bad idea. Yeah.
00:29:25
Speaker 3: And then it's also really hard to nail down the facts.
00:29:29
Speaker 2: Right.
00:29:29
Speaker 3: For the obvious reasons.
00:29:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:29:31
Speaker 3: Which which there is no way to nail down the facts. So then you're into, OK, now what are we going to do with this situation? It'll be interesting.
00:29:39
Speaker 2: To see where this ends up well and again the prosecutor put all this out because he's like look i don't see a crime here stop yelling at me i'm pro gang rape i'm.
00:29:51
Speaker 3: Not what's the likelihood now he's been doxxed right I believe he's been doxxed. The guy who didn't prosecute this originally.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, he's a public figure. Right.
00:30:03
Speaker 3: But that doesn't usually include your home address.
00:30:05
Speaker 2: Sure.
00:30:06
Speaker 8: Right.
00:30:07
Speaker 3: And it does now. At what point does the girl and her name and picture come out? I'd say within 48 hours.
00:30:16
Speaker 2: Sure.
00:30:17
Speaker 3: Almost impossible that it does not. And then she'll get the backlash. That comes with that in the modern world. We were talking about that earlier with the holdout juror from the Clancy trial who is having to move around with his kids because of all the threats in the modern world. If you end up in a national story that people can take sides on, you're going to end up in a that's a bad thing to have happen in your life.
00:30:39
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00:31:48
Speaker 3: Speaking of sexual stuff, we got a hot mic incident with a pro basketball team in which some female reporters had access to seeing young men and they started making sexual comments about them.
00:32:02
Speaker 8: What?
00:32:03
Speaker 3: Oh, my God. like, to each other.
00:32:06
Speaker 2: Horrible.
00:32:08
Speaker 3: I guess it's horrible.
00:32:09
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:32:09
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get to that at some point. Among other things, stay here.
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Speaker 7: Armstrong and Getty.
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Speaker 2: The Armstrong and Getty Show.
00:32:28
Speaker 8: It isn't just girls who want to have fun. And despite the rising price of recreation, a Bank of America analysis suggests it's a price we're willing to pay. Government statistics show the recreation index rising 2.7% in the past 12 months, while spending on hobbies from arts and crafts to skydiving soared nearly 8% last month compared to August of last year.
00:32:50
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great. I like to do watercolors while I skydive. They're calling it funflations. They should stop.
00:32:58
Speaker 3: They should.
00:33:00
Speaker 2: That's not fun at all.
00:33:02
Speaker 3: I have a feeling neither Joe or I have ever seen these. I know I haven't. I actually know the things I know and don't know. I'm guessing Joe hasn't.
00:33:10
Speaker 2: No unknowns, yes.
00:33:11
Speaker 3: I'm guessing Joe hasn't. Katie, maybe you have. Palm cooling devices are all the rage among athletes right now. Has anybody seen these?
00:33:21
Speaker 2: Nuh-uh. No.
00:33:23
Speaker 5: No.
00:33:23
Speaker 3: Katie, I don't I don't think I have. It sounds like complete crap to me, but professional athletes are palm cooling. I tried it for my casual runs. This New York Times. Runner, researcher, follower of exercise trends said exercise and diet is like, man, it's it's as trendy as any fashion could possibly be. And I guess we're all looking for that new diet that will work better than all the other ones we tried and didn't work. And same with exercising, I guess. So there's always a and some of them are true. They come along. They're good ideas. Some of them are just crap. But anyway, if you most of them are about as good as the last one. If you've glanced at the sideline during pretty much any professional sports recently, you've noticed athletes clutching a mysterious long black cylinder. These devices are meant to cool palms, supposedly reducing fatigue and allowing athletes to exert themselves beyond their usual limits. If this device is good enough for the world's best athletes, it could be for me, said a casual runner. Okay, that's some good logic. They're just fancy ice packs, according to this New York Times reviewer. These cylinders are a type of performance-enhancing gear known as palm cooling devices, and the devices make big claims. By cooling the blood running beneath the skin of your palms, they promise to reduce fatigue and allow an athlete to exert themselves beyond their usual limits.
00:34:48
Speaker 2: Makes sense to me.
00:34:51
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever been in the middle of a workout and thought, man, I wish my palms were cooler. My hot palms are really slowing me down. Yeah, really messing with me here. Well, according to this... The hairless skin on your palms is uniquely suited for temperature exchange.
00:35:06
Speaker 2: Oh, clearly.
00:35:06
Speaker 3: Beneath the skin of the palm are specialized blood vessels called the arteriovarianis entomosis, which remove heat from the circulating blood when cooled, said this Ph.D. professor of kinesiology at Cal Poly. The process is similar to the age-old advice of running your wrists under cold water on a hot summer day, which must not be age-old advice in my world because I've never heard it.
00:35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, actually. But, okay. All right. So your palms are especially adapted to cooling your blood?
00:35:38
Speaker 3: Have you run your wrists under cold water? I've never heard that in my whole life, and I've lived in a lot of hot places. Never heard that in my life.
00:35:43
Speaker 2: Does it work? I don't know.
00:35:44
Speaker 3: Does it do anything? Do you do it a lot?
00:35:47
Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt. You're hot, and you have cold water on you, so it's pleasant. Beyond that, I have no idea.
00:35:55
Speaker 3: Cooling the palms also provides a strong sensory signal to the central nervous system, said the Ph.D. That information can influence perceived effort, exercise tolerance and ultimately the decision to continue or stop exercising. So that's the latest trade trend. If you want to be the cool, I'm doing the latest thing person at the gym, you've got the palm cooling devices that you can get on Amazon for a couple hundred bucks.
00:36:19
Speaker 2: See, my disgust at the idea of being that person is so strong that even if this was legit, I couldn't use it.
00:36:25
Speaker 3: Even if it worked, you wouldn't want to be that guy?
00:36:27
Speaker 2: No, I can't.
00:36:29
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me, I was thinking about it, I saw a picture of the new Philadelphia 76ers, the NBA season's about to kick off, and if you're a basketball fan, you wonder, what's that team going to be like with LeBron on it and all those scores and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, LeBron is wearing that leg sleeve and.
00:36:46
Speaker 3: All everything I've read is that most of those sleeves do nothing. It's just, it's just things that the NBA players decided they kind of like, and then you get used to, and then you, and then you get a little bit of a, um, uh, uh, what is that? When you, uh, you believe something that's not true. Yeah. It becomes a bit of a superstition where like Colby did that. He had a good shooting night when he wore one of those sleeves. So he just kept wearing it all the time, but it doesn't necessarily do anything. So I thought they were all for compression. Yeah, I don't know.
00:37:17
Speaker 2: The leg stuff matters.
00:37:19
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on whether it's compressing you or not. But some of them are just things that are on your arm. It's like wearing a long sleeve shirt versus a short sleeve shirt. It's not really doing anything.
00:37:27
Speaker 2: But what about a necktie?
00:37:30
Speaker 3: But once they become popular, then other people see it and think, I need to have one of those. And then, you know, then it just kind of catches on. And I think the palm cooling devices might be that. I don't know.
00:37:42
Speaker 2: Give it a whirl.
00:37:42
Speaker 3: I'll try it today. I'll try the necktie. Get a couple of cold cans of Coca-Cola and walk around them in my palm of my hand.
00:37:51
Speaker 2: Sure. You want to have the hot hand, but you've got to have cool hands as well.
00:37:54
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