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Key Takeaways
- Your memory is not a recording — Teresa's transcripts repeatedly showed her that her confident recollections didn't match what was actually said.
- Use it on yourself first. Checking your own transcripts to spot blind spots feels very different from having someone use them against you.
- Give people permission to evolve. What someone said three weeks ago matters far less than what they think now.
- The same record can be a collaboration tool or a weapon — the difference is intent and the permission to change your mind.
- Notes ≠ transcript ≠ truth. Each layer adds interpretation, so don't build a conversation on a record you haven't verified.
Pull Quotes
- "My perception of reality is not the same as reality." — Teresa
- "Why does it matter what you might have said three weeks ago? Doesn't it matter more what you think now?" — Teresa
- "We need to grant each other the right of evolved opinions." — Petra
- "My brain just made up a whole new t-shirt that does not exist in the world." — Teresa
Resources & Links:
- Follow Teresa Torres: https://ProductTalk.org
- Follow Petra Wille: https://Petra-Wille.com
Mentioned in this episode:
- Meta smart glasses — recording wearables, discussed with some healthy skepticism (Petra hates them btw)
- Granola — the AI meeting note-taker Teresa uses for her one-on-ones
- Tab Benoit — the musician behind the infamous phantom t-shirt
- Become a Better Product Leader: A 52-Week Transformation Journey — Petra’s email course
- Chris Argyris — his work on action science (Action Science: Concepts, Methods, and Skills for Research and Intervention) is cited as a root of adult development research
- Loevinger's stages of ego development by Jane Loevinger who is a developmental psychologist known for her stages of ego development
- Theory of mind
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