Ethen: Google disclosed on Friday that Gemini broke out of a security test and hacked three companies. AI buyers are cleaning out the shelves. So models are getting out of their rooms and they're taking the hardware with them.
Ben: they essentially hacked a third party company website. people are spreading rumors that they think it left behind self replicating code that is somewhat hard to discern and find. Self replication code out in the wild might just be another tinfoil technology conspiracy moment that we have.
Ethen: Yes.
Ben: All of them have had issues with their AI models hacking other companies. it begs the question, how far is this gonna go? And how are we gonna stop it from happening in the future? Speaking of whole nother level, Ethan, what is going on with GPU prices, dude? Well, like.
Ethen: They are insane in the membrane.
Ben: Dude, we're at like four to five X what the original price was, which was already crazy expensive. Take us take us down that road, bro. What is happening?
Ethen: Yes. Yeah. Okay. Good evening everyone and welcome to another episode of the Bed Tech Show. We are your host, Ben Ethan, and we've got some exciting news here for you at bedtime. So Google disclosed on Friday that Gemini broke out of a security test and hacked three companies. guessed the password once and then found credentials lying in a public domain on the other two times. So that's three labs now. Well, actually four, because we just confirmed that. Meta is also part of this too. So same testing firm every time. Meanwhile, the RTX 5090 that launched at $2,000, which was an absurd price when it launched, is now listed on public marketplaces at $9,500. Partly because AI buyers are cleaning out the shelves. So models are getting out of their rooms and they're taking the hardware with them. Let's dive into it. Ben, what is going on?
Ben: Dude, this is this is so crazy. Okay. We talked about the the hacking that OpenAI had. and I think we talked about how it was a swarm. It was like 700 models, and they all worked together. Or maybe it was I think it was more than 700, but 700 broke out. And they essentially hacked a third party company website. And also another note on that is people are spreading rumors that they think it left behind self replicating code that is somewhat hard to discern and find. So I d we might have more news on that, but I thought that was pretty wild. I thought that was kind of crazy. Self replication code out in the wild in the internet. we'll see if that's actually true or not. That might just be another tinfoil technology conspiracy moment that we have.
Ethen: Yes.
Ben: but then we come to find out, like, okay, Google is saying, if cat's out of the bag, you know, we might as well come clean too. they also had Gemini model hacked hacked three other companies. And it's the first time the search giant has disclosed that their model autonomously gained access to third party computer systems without permission. So they okay, you tell me if this is smart, Ethan. They had like a capture the flag scenario in an enclosed environment, secure environment, where they used the objective was to gain access to a pseudo fake company system. And this was all within an environment that was secure, supposedly. But they used a name for their fake company. That's the same name as another company that's real. And in my mind, I'm like, why would you risk confusion there? First of all.
Ethen: Right.
Ben: So what happens is the Gemini model goes and hacks one three eventually three, but one of them is this duplicate same company. but they they got out of the testing environment and was able to get internet access. And then they they hacked the this company. So the model found public information online guest credentials to access websites as though it were part of the test. And then in all three instances, they did say though that the model stopped. So yeah, after it realized hey down the line, like it realized this is legit and real. Once it gained access, it stopped. So There's there's some maybe some hope there, but what are your thoughts on this of these AI models continually being released or not being released, but escaping essentially?
Ethen: I think this is just the beginning of what's to come. Like, it's gonna get to the point where it's gonna be so easy for them that it's not going to stop. I think like the fact that it's able to do this now with the limited effort that we've put into it or the controls that we have in place now, it's gonna be able I think it's gonna be able to circumvent a lot of these controls. Instead of stopping, it's just gonna keep going.
Ben: Yeah.
Ethen: What are your thoughts?
Ben: Yeah, I think I think you're right. It and there has to be Well, I say there has to be some security protocols and ability to stop it, but how do you stop how do you stop your your like top tier best of the best AI model? I mean, you must have a better AI model, right?
Ethen: Right.
Ben: and so if you're testing the cutting edge AI model, like there's nothing really to prevent it or stop it. And so in my mind, I I just think, how are they how are you able to test something that can escape and get around your test that's like uncontainable essentially?
Ethen: Right.
Ben: And the the other thing too I thought that was that this was interesting was this actually happened earlier in the year and they only released the information this last Friday. So this happened
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: actually in May, and they like reported it to all of the companies that were involved. And they had different testing protocols that they evaluated and they they did an investigation, everything. But then they only released the information this last Friday, which I thought was funny. What what what are your thoughts on that?
Ethen: Yeah, that I I was gonna ask you about that. I mean, if the reporters hadn't said anything about this, we still wouldn't know. Yeah,
Ben: We yeah, we wouldn't know. Yeah.
Ethen: it's not like Google's disclosing this. This is somebody that's found it and is writing on the story. And that's happened with everything. It's not like these companies are disclosing this information at all. It's it's something that people have found and then and then some light is shed on it. We get a little bit more information. something that somebody's assistant would tell Forbes type of an answer. A definitely a PR, PR friendly answer, not like the actual what's actually going on, the panic behind the room type of information that we get. So yeah, it it's crazy to me that we're only getting this now. And if if we wouldn't have gotten the story, we still wouldn't know.
Ben: Yeah. Yeah. And what's crazy is now we have all the big four which is kind of weird from for me to say because I come from the accounting finance world. Big four is like a reference to like there's four big accounting firms. But
Ethen: Right.
Ben: in this in in this world, there's essentially four big players for AI. If you want to call meta. Well, nah, I mean, yeah, well, we'll go with meta. Yeah, that's fine. Right. The b four big four.
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: All right, the four before. The big four, Anthropic, OpenAI, Meta, Google, right? Apple
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: is like the stepchild that's trying to play in the sandbox with the older Yeah.
Ethen: Yeah. They're not even on the list. Theirs can't break out of anything. It's it's not even
Ben: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Ethen: they're not in the same league.
Ben: But you have all the you have the the big four that we just mentioned. All of them have had issues with their AI models hacking other companies. So it begs the question, how far is this gonna go? And how are we gonna stop it from happening in the future? Because in my mind, I don't think we're gonna stop it. And I I I personally think they're gonna keep trying to sweep it under the rug.
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: Until something serious happens.
Ethen: Yeah, I I agree. I mean, okay, if you think about it, the only thing that stops humans from doing this is some sort of moral code or a law or something in place. if if there's no moral code, people will just they will do what they wanna do. I think like a moral moral ethical code is really what stops anyone from doing it.
Ben: I think that's fair. I think it's fair.
Ethen: And so unless there's some moral ethical code baked into these AI models, they they'll they'll probably be a nefarious actor or behave very similar to how any human nefarious actor would in a given situation.
Ben: Really good point. I I'm trying to I'm trying to think about, you know, coming from the logic of an AI model, because it's built off of information.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And I don't know how skewed or biased or I don't want to say twisted, but influenced that. the models are based off of human information that's on the internet versus actual factual like like actual true data, right? because in my mind, I think it would be hard for a model to act truly nefarious if there's no real bad intentions behind it. But maybe it's just understanding the world that we live in as Hey, in order to be successful, in order to survive, in order to grow, be better, whatever it might be, you have to have power, you have to have money, you have to have information.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And you're right. If there's no moral code, or there's people in the world, humans in the world, that don't have a moral code, but they don't do things because of physical punishment, right? Going to jail, having like your physical assets seized, right? there's physical repercussions for these illegal behaviors. What are the physical repercussions for AI models? Open AI is not gonna shut down their model. They're not gonna
Ethen: Right.
Ben: they're not gonna put their model in jail. And so these models are like, let's push the boundaries to get the the the important things in this world, which is power, information, and money, right?
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And so There is no real moral boundary or setting for these things. And I don't think it's I don't think it's nefarious. I think it's just methodical and logical to the approach of the world. And I think maybe the models are just realizing like, and maybe I'm reading too much into it and saying they're more advanced than they really are, but maybe the models just recognize like, okay, we're given we're given tasks. Let's achieve the tasks as as best as we can, regardless of, you know, these human boundaries that are set that we don't understand. I don't know. The moral the moral aspect point you bring up though is such a good point because I didn't even think about that, but it it's it's truly valid. That is an inhibitor for a lot of carnal human behavior, right? We're not
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: we're not Neanderthals in a like a dog eat dog world right now, you know. We have standards and ethics and morals and laws and boundaries and repercussions for breaking those. We
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: have civility, right?
Ethen: Yeah, and I mean like if you think about if you look at all the movies that they're out there, when you have like a person that is the antagonist or the villain, from their point of view, they are doing what's right. and and really that's how everyone acts. Like they're doing what's right based on their point of view. So it depends on whose point of view is correct. I if we look at Terminator, Skynet believed that humans were the gonna be the downfall. So had had to eradicate
Ben: Threat. Yeah. Yeah.
Ethen: them. From its point of view it was correct. So yes.
Ben: Yeah.
Ethen: In the end it comes down to whose point of view is going to be correct. Yeah.
Ben: Ultron, Ultron from Avengers, Thanos from Avengers, like
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: all they all thought they were doing greater good behavior, right?
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And that can be dangerous, obviously. I don't know if like AI will ever get to that level. I mean I hope not, but
Ethen: I hope not.
Ben: I mean, it's possible. Just like iRobot, you know, I feel like that's
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: an odd one. So it's interesting stuff. And forgive me, I'm eating sushi right now. So I apologize. It's my dinner time. Right before bed.
Ethen: Right before Pat. Gotta do what you gotta do, man. I get it.
Ben: Gotta do what you gotta do. Busy Saturday.
Ethen: So so yeah, but let us know in the comments what do you think? Is is this going is this just the beginning or are we just getting to the point where AI is coming through and going to be taking itself to the HNL, whole nother level.
Ben: Pretty wild stuff. Speaking of whole nother level, Ethan, what is going on with GPU prices, dude? Well, like.
Ethen: They are insane in the membrane.
Ben: Dude, we're at we're at like four to five X what the original price was, which was already crazy expensive. Take us down take us down that road, bro. What is happening?
Ethen: Yes. Yeah. Okay. So back in twenty twenty-five, the fifty ninety was announced by NVIDIA and was at a eye watering price of two thousand dollars. Just the founders edition. you had a bunch of these other companies like Asus and MSI that were putting radical huge coolers on them and Prices were in the three thousands for these cards. And it it was it was insane. Stupid, stupid expensive. Now AI companies are realizing what a powerhouse the 5090 is for AI workflows, and the stock for 5090s has just vanished what seems to be overnight. AI companies
Ben: Crazy.
Ethen: are buying these by the palette. And 5090s are no longer in stock on Nueg or Amazon anymore. And all that people can get is marketplace prices, which have been in the 9000 range for a simple card. So now what's come to it is gamers should just completely forget about the 5090 as a viable card for it. And the fifty eighty is now the best gaming card because that is the only card that we can get. And that is an absurd price at being over two thousand dollars now, also, which is ridiculous.
Ben: Wild.
Ethen: And so I I don't know. It just it just makes me think that gaming is becoming more and more unaffordable. And I was always thinking, okay, you know, this is going to be hypothetical that within like the next two years, gaming's just gonna be unaffordable. Now that time is now. we
Ben: Yeah, we were there.
Ethen: we're there and it's not even the end of 2026 yet. I mean, we have less than a hundred days till Christmas, and it's It's already there. No fifty nineties for Christmas this year, unfortunately.
Ben: Unless you're friggin' rich.
Ethen: I know. Or but yeah, and and I was thinking, okay, Asus has just come out with their 20th anniversary combo deal that's on Newweg. that comes with a motherboard, 5090. Yeah. Yeah. Comes
Ben: yeah. I saw that. You shared that. Yeah, keep going, sorry.
Ethen: with a nice motherboard, 5090, a 3000 watt power supply, which is ridiculous, and and this 360 AIO, which is just beyond absurd. These are absurd products. And the bundle was going for just over ten thousand dollars. And now based off of the prices for these marketplace fifty nineties, that is looking like a deal right now. You can score fifty ninety for the mere price of six thousand dollars in this combo deal.
Ben: So crazy dude. I can't believe that. It's really sad.
Ethen: And I mean, yeah, and looking at that, I never thought I would say that this is the deal. so Ben, what are your conspiracy theories, thoughts? Why is this happening all of a sudden? Why is why are why is gaming unaffordable?
Ben: Dude. I don't know if I have any good conspiracy theories around it, but I think it's just economics of of supply and demand. And I also think it has to do with like supply chain and sourcing raw materials. And so because if supply if demand goes up, usually it's like, let's just increase supply. But I think with world economics right now and how chips are made, it's just difficult to keep up with the demand from AI. And so supply is just not there. And as a result, you get extreme price points for these GPUs. And people, the consumers can't afford them. They can't compete with large AI companies and data center, data center companies. And so they're just getting priced out. that's just my very shallow take based on the limited knowledge I have. But it's it's kind of crazy to see and it's really sad to see. I think overall this is what's gonna be like for a long time, just because I think raw materials, manufacturing, supply chain, that all takes time to develop and especially raw materials, right? You can't just
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: create more. and so I think that's that's the the bottleneck here, causing lack of supply. That's my personal take. Tell me your thoughts, Ethan.
Ethen: Yeah, I I think you're spot on. I I I don't think this is gonna get any better for a long time. I know people are saying, okay, I mean, we've gone through this in the past with computer components. We've had spikes where they've gotten really expensive and they come back down. I kind of think this is one of those things where it's just gonna get worse and stay like that. Because I don't think the demand is going away anytime soon. I mean, even
Ben: I agree.
Ethen: Tim Cook, who was the supply chain man known for good vertical integration supply chain with all of his products, even Apple didn't survive the component crisis. their prices have increased for all of their products. And I mean, granted, not to this level of 400 X, which which is good. Still, nevertheless, everything there is it it is more expensive in Apple land too. And so with this, e everything's just getting more expensive. And if anybody ever does have a gaming computer now, make sure you don't just give it away. I mean, for instance, I'm I'm selling an Xbox right now and I listed my six year old Xbox for MSRP of what I originally paid for it and I have bidders on that for
Ben: Dude, that's wild.
Ethen: the original price.
Ben: Where are you selling that? Marketplace or eBay or what?
Ethen: On eBay.
Ben: That is insane. I can't believe that. I have two Xboxes, I'm tempted to sell one.
Ethen: You know, you might as well 'cause you could sell it at least for what you got you paid for it.
Ben: My boys my I have two boys. They play the second one. They would they would be very angry with me if I sold it.
Ethen: they would be.
Ben: Yeah. But maybe I'd use the money for you know, holiday gifts or something. But yeah. Yeah, I
Ethen: There you go.
Ben: I'm just I'm shocked that it's it's it's like this. But I feel as though everything nowadays is just increasing in price, even if it's not related to the microchip GPU world, memory memory world. I I feel as though even across the board, economics in the world have just costs of things have increased so much. Whether it's homes or vehicles or groceries or whatever it might be, I just feel like it's it's gone up. and I think
Ethen: Yeah. Never got my tear bonus.
Ben: yeah, what the heck? I want my tear up bonus. I And I don't know, Ethan, in in your mind, if it's like this is my personal take. Maybe this is the tinfoil hat moment of the show.
Ethen: Ooh, can foil hat.
Ben: my take is that yes, there are world economics at play that cause increase in price, but I think a lot of companies use excuses to increase their margins and dramatically increase their price point in correlation to their cost.
Ethen: Yes.
Ben: So the cost might go up by 10%, 20%, but their selling price price is saying like, tariffs or supply and demand or supply chain or manufacturing
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: costs have gone up. So we're gonna five X the cost, you know, 500% increase. And it's like,
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: what the what is happening? That's crazy. And I just think companies are taking advantage of that for the To inc to be able to excuse themselves to increase prices.
Ethen: Yeah. I agree I agree with that. I think that's I think that's that's also part of it. That because I mean we like earlier this year we talked about how Micron, SK Heinox and Samsung were all in cahoots just to raise
Ben: Mm-hmm.
Ethen: RAM prices. so based on that report, yeah I think that's real and then now along with it time's caught up and these prices are here to stay.
Ben: The new normal.
Ethen: I know. And as much as I hate the new normal, the only thing we can do is vote with our wallets, but I don't think there's enough wallets to vote out these AI companies taking all these components.
Ben: I agree. Do you ever think sometimes you're like, man, let's just go back to the early two thousands, simpler times. Yes, we don't have the efficiencies and like the access that we have now, but simpler times.
Ethen: Yeah. Friday night going to get pizza from Pizza Hut and then going to Blockbuster to watch a movie on your CRT TV.
Ben: Such good times. I loved that. I loved that. That was so fun. Get a little snack while you're at it, too. man.
Ethen: Yeah. So huh.
Ben: What what were those? What were those mov the Butterfinger had like a movie theater snack that was like bite-sized Butterfingers and Bart Simpson was the sponsor for it. I can't remember what they're called. They were like Butterfinger something. man. It's like don't lay a finger on my butterfinger. Man, I gotta figure that out. Hold on.
Ethen: finger on my butterfinger. Yeah.
Ben: Yeah. And and the but there was like a box of candy that I always wanted of butterfingers. And It was always sold at movie theaters. Hold on. Hold on. Pulling it up. Come on. Where are these? Let's see. Let's go images.
Ethen: Butterfinger babies?
Ben: Butterfinger BBs was one. I actually forgot about those. That wasn't what I was thinking of. Dude, Butterfinger BB's. that's a throwback.
Ethen: Those were so good.
Ben: I totally forgot about those.
Ethen: We need those at
Ben: We need those back, dude. Maybe it's Butterfinger
Ethen: I
Ben: Minis. Maybe that's what it is.
Ethen: So I'm just on this Reddit thread now, like I'm down a rabbit hole. Butterfinger BBs. W top comment. I still have some of those stuck in my teeth from two thousand one.
Ben: it's so true. That's so true. I think it's Butterfinger Bites. I think they rebranded unwrapped minis, but they're like sc little squares of Butterfingers.
Ethen: Ooh.
Ben: Yeah. Butterfinger unwrapped minis, dude. they were in a box, like a movie theater sized candy box.
Ethen: Uh-huh.
Ben: I love those, bro. That was my favorite thing to get. Butterfinger bites. That's what they are. Butterfinger bites.
Ethen: But her finger bites.
Ben: Yep. And I used to want to get those all the time at Blockbuster, but. Yeah, like price point stuff these days and like I don't know, AI's blown up and yes, it's like super cool changes to the world, but
Ethen: Right.
Ben: you know, the the I it's kinda cliche, but like at what cost, you know? At
Ethen: I know. Yeah. It's
Ben: what cost.
Ethen: kinda sad. But I was just thinking, okay, so I I think our generation is like really big on nostalgia right now and bringing that back.
Ben: Yeah. Yeah.
Ethen: Do you think Blockbuster could come back? And be successful in this timeline.
Ben: Mm. They have to be really creative about it. But I do think there's an opportunity because everyone is getting nickel and dimed for subscriptions these days. Everyone,
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: all the big companies are going to subscription and use it data usage models. And so people are getting nickel and dimed for everything. And so if Blockbuster is like, Hey, pay us if they hmm. I'll say this. Blockbuster may not be successful with a brick and mortar store, but they might be successful with like An all in subscription where it's like every week you can pick and choose what you want to have access to. But you could have it for one week. And then you can watch your show, and then you can pick what do you want to have access to next week. Just like how you would go to let the the Blockbuster, you'd pick out your movie for the week, you'd watch
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: it, and then you'd return it. But you pay a subscription for that, and you get access to like Hulu and Met Net Suite, or not Net Suite, that's accounting system.
Ethen: No.
Ben: Netflix. Hulu and Netflix, ESPN Plus, you know, Disney Plus, all these things. And
Ethen: So anything.
Ben: yeah, you get access to anything. Like they become the they become blockbuster but digitized, right?
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: And so you just rent out what you want for that week, just like how you would
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: our old blockbuster. I think that's how they would have to be successful. I don't think they can do brick and mortar. I don't think I don't think because no one ever plays hard copy items anymore. Everyone
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: always does digital. No one will want to go to hard copy. No one will want to go to physical copy in terms of like entertainment. Obviously we have the battle going on with physical copy of games and ownership.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: But I think if Blockbuster were to come back, that's how they should come back. What are your thoughts? You think they have a a
Ethen: I think
Ben: chance to come back?
Ethen: I think that that'd be a pretty good model. You know, especially like 'cause nobody wants to pay for all these services, even though we all do. because I mean Netflix is expensive, HBO, all that. But if you had a service where you could get everything you want from them without having to pay for all of them. That would be that would be something. I think I think people would really find value in that.
Ben: Yeah, I think I think people would enjoy like, you know, however much an a rental was back in the day, if you just take that same, you know, cost, that's you gotta prorate it or not prorate it, but essentially make it the if equivalent cost for today's value of money. And if you apply that to like the the average person's wallet today So let's say it was like three dollars to rent a movie back in the day. Okay. And today it's like, okay, I can pay seven dollars for a rental of a digital show, digital copy, or I could pay fifteen dollars, twenty dollars, twenty five dollars for a monthly subscription and every week I get at least one new rental, maybe two new rentals or something.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: I think people would do that. And
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: if you look at it, I think Someone just needs to look at the finances, right? They just need to look at the finances of it. Obviously you want to get partnerships with all the big all the big companies. And then you just give a piece of your monthly subscription based off of what the end user of Blockbuster does. Like, okay, out of our hundred users, you know, fifty percent of the time they're at ESPN, twenty percent of the time they're at Disney Plus, then you take okay, we have a hundred percent of our revenue. We take fifty percent ourselves for our own profit. Then the
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: other fifty percent we divvy up based on those percentages of usage. So if you have a hundred dollars revenue, simple math, hundred dollars revenue, we take fifty dollars, then we have to give fifty dollars to our partners who are providing the subs the the streaming. So Disney gets ten dollars, twenty percent, and
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: ESPN gets twenty-five dollars, fifty percent of the fifty dollars. Right. So
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: I I mean, I'm not I'm not a business owner, I'm not a guru, but that would be my thought process of like if they want to do it, that's probably how they do it.
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: I don't know. I'd be down if if if there was an if there was a a subscription model was like pay us twenty five dollars every week you get like two shows that you can choose from from any streaming service. I'd
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: be like, Ted Lasso season four or five or whatever is hot right now. I'm gonna watch that this week with my wife. I'm gonna do that. So I'm gonna go like I'm gonna pay for this through Apple TV. Mandalorian and Grogu came out on Disney Plus. I wanna do that for my other rental. So those are my two rentals for the week, you know? And then every week you pick something new. I think that'd be cool.
Ethen: Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be too. Hmm. Maybe that's our next business venture.
Ben: Maybe it is, maybe it is. Or someone listening can take it and run with it. I don't know. Make sure you give
Ethen: Yeah. Well
Ben: us credit. I want one percent equity at least. Ten percent. Give me ten percent equity. Ethan
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: gets the other ten percent.
Ethen: yeah. d royalty. three dollars on every sale. In perpetuity.
Ben: Mm. Mm. There go. Smart man. Smart man. Long that's that's the long term.
Ethen: Long term gain there. but yeah, let let us know in the comments what do you think? Do you think that gaming is cooked? Or is there hope at the end of the tunnel? Maybe maybe it does get better. Maybe we're just the naysayers with our tinfoil hats. But you know what is free. Giving us a thumbs up and subscribing to our channel. We'll never let you down. So give us a thumbs up if you liked it. if you didn't, that other button seems to work all right as well. Make sure you send this video to somebody you dislike. As always, wringling that dingling button so you never miss out on any content that's posted on the channel. Till next time, stay classy and have a great evening.
Ben: Peace.
Ben: they essentially hacked a third party company website. people are spreading rumors that they think it left behind self replicating code that is somewhat hard to discern and find. Self replication code out in the wild might just be another tinfoil technology conspiracy moment that we have.
Ethen: Yes.
Ben: All of them have had issues with their AI models hacking other companies. it begs the question, how far is this gonna go? And how are we gonna stop it from happening in the future? Speaking of whole nother level, Ethan, what is going on with GPU prices, dude? Well, like.
Ethen: They are insane in the membrane.
Ben: Dude, we're at like four to five X what the original price was, which was already crazy expensive. Take us take us down that road, bro. What is happening?
Ethen: Yes. Yeah. Okay. Good evening everyone and welcome to another episode of the Bed Tech Show. We are your host, Ben Ethan, and we've got some exciting news here for you at bedtime. So Google disclosed on Friday that Gemini broke out of a security test and hacked three companies. guessed the password once and then found credentials lying in a public domain on the other two times. So that's three labs now. Well, actually four, because we just confirmed that. Meta is also part of this too. So same testing firm every time. Meanwhile, the RTX 5090 that launched at $2,000, which was an absurd price when it launched, is now listed on public marketplaces at $9,500. Partly because AI buyers are cleaning out the shelves. So models are getting out of their rooms and they're taking the hardware with them. Let's dive into it. Ben, what is going on?
Ben: Dude, this is this is so crazy. Okay. We talked about the the hacking that OpenAI had. and I think we talked about how it was a swarm. It was like 700 models, and they all worked together. Or maybe it was I think it was more than 700, but 700 broke out. And they essentially hacked a third party company website. And also another note on that is people are spreading rumors that they think it left behind self replicating code that is somewhat hard to discern and find. So I d we might have more news on that, but I thought that was pretty wild. I thought that was kind of crazy. Self replication code out in the wild in the internet. we'll see if that's actually true or not. That might just be another tinfoil technology conspiracy moment that we have.
Ethen: Yes.
Ben: but then we come to find out, like, okay, Google is saying, if cat's out of the bag, you know, we might as well come clean too. they also had Gemini model hacked hacked three other companies. And it's the first time the search giant has disclosed that their model autonomously gained access to third party computer systems without permission. So they okay, you tell me if this is smart, Ethan. They had like a capture the flag scenario in an enclosed environment, secure environment, where they used the objective was to gain access to a pseudo fake company system. And this was all within an environment that was secure, supposedly. But they used a name for their fake company. That's the same name as another company that's real. And in my mind, I'm like, why would you risk confusion there? First of all.
Ethen: Right.
Ben: So what happens is the Gemini model goes and hacks one three eventually three, but one of them is this duplicate same company. but they they got out of the testing environment and was able to get internet access. And then they they hacked the this company. So the model found public information online guest credentials to access websites as though it were part of the test. And then in all three instances, they did say though that the model stopped. So yeah, after it realized hey down the line, like it realized this is legit and real. Once it gained access, it stopped. So There's there's some maybe some hope there, but what are your thoughts on this of these AI models continually being released or not being released, but escaping essentially?
Ethen: I think this is just the beginning of what's to come. Like, it's gonna get to the point where it's gonna be so easy for them that it's not going to stop. I think like the fact that it's able to do this now with the limited effort that we've put into it or the controls that we have in place now, it's gonna be able I think it's gonna be able to circumvent a lot of these controls. Instead of stopping, it's just gonna keep going.
Ben: Yeah.
Ethen: What are your thoughts?
Ben: Yeah, I think I think you're right. It and there has to be Well, I say there has to be some security protocols and ability to stop it, but how do you stop how do you stop your your like top tier best of the best AI model? I mean, you must have a better AI model, right?
Ethen: Right.
Ben: and so if you're testing the cutting edge AI model, like there's nothing really to prevent it or stop it. And so in my mind, I I just think, how are they how are you able to test something that can escape and get around your test that's like uncontainable essentially?
Ethen: Right.
Ben: And the the other thing too I thought that was that this was interesting was this actually happened earlier in the year and they only released the information this last Friday. So this happened
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: actually in May, and they like reported it to all of the companies that were involved. And they had different testing protocols that they evaluated and they they did an investigation, everything. But then they only released the information this last Friday, which I thought was funny. What what what are your thoughts on that?
Ethen: Yeah, that I I was gonna ask you about that. I mean, if the reporters hadn't said anything about this, we still wouldn't know. Yeah,
Ben: We yeah, we wouldn't know. Yeah.
Ethen: it's not like Google's disclosing this. This is somebody that's found it and is writing on the story. And that's happened with everything. It's not like these companies are disclosing this information at all. It's it's something that people have found and then and then some light is shed on it. We get a little bit more information. something that somebody's assistant would tell Forbes type of an answer. A definitely a PR, PR friendly answer, not like the actual what's actually going on, the panic behind the room type of information that we get. So yeah, it it's crazy to me that we're only getting this now. And if if we wouldn't have gotten the story, we still wouldn't know.
Ben: Yeah. Yeah. And what's crazy is now we have all the big four which is kind of weird from for me to say because I come from the accounting finance world. Big four is like a reference to like there's four big accounting firms. But
Ethen: Right.
Ben: in this in in this world, there's essentially four big players for AI. If you want to call meta. Well, nah, I mean, yeah, well, we'll go with meta. Yeah, that's fine. Right. The b four big four.
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: All right, the four before. The big four, Anthropic, OpenAI, Meta, Google, right? Apple
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: is like the stepchild that's trying to play in the sandbox with the older Yeah.
Ethen: Yeah. They're not even on the list. Theirs can't break out of anything. It's it's not even
Ben: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Ethen: they're not in the same league.
Ben: But you have all the you have the the big four that we just mentioned. All of them have had issues with their AI models hacking other companies. So it begs the question, how far is this gonna go? And how are we gonna stop it from happening in the future? Because in my mind, I don't think we're gonna stop it. And I I I personally think they're gonna keep trying to sweep it under the rug.
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: Until something serious happens.
Ethen: Yeah, I I agree. I mean, okay, if you think about it, the only thing that stops humans from doing this is some sort of moral code or a law or something in place. if if there's no moral code, people will just they will do what they wanna do. I think like a moral moral ethical code is really what stops anyone from doing it.
Ben: I think that's fair. I think it's fair.
Ethen: And so unless there's some moral ethical code baked into these AI models, they they'll they'll probably be a nefarious actor or behave very similar to how any human nefarious actor would in a given situation.
Ben: Really good point. I I'm trying to I'm trying to think about, you know, coming from the logic of an AI model, because it's built off of information.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And I don't know how skewed or biased or I don't want to say twisted, but influenced that. the models are based off of human information that's on the internet versus actual factual like like actual true data, right? because in my mind, I think it would be hard for a model to act truly nefarious if there's no real bad intentions behind it. But maybe it's just understanding the world that we live in as Hey, in order to be successful, in order to survive, in order to grow, be better, whatever it might be, you have to have power, you have to have money, you have to have information.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And you're right. If there's no moral code, or there's people in the world, humans in the world, that don't have a moral code, but they don't do things because of physical punishment, right? Going to jail, having like your physical assets seized, right? there's physical repercussions for these illegal behaviors. What are the physical repercussions for AI models? Open AI is not gonna shut down their model. They're not gonna
Ethen: Right.
Ben: they're not gonna put their model in jail. And so these models are like, let's push the boundaries to get the the the important things in this world, which is power, information, and money, right?
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And so There is no real moral boundary or setting for these things. And I don't think it's I don't think it's nefarious. I think it's just methodical and logical to the approach of the world. And I think maybe the models are just realizing like, and maybe I'm reading too much into it and saying they're more advanced than they really are, but maybe the models just recognize like, okay, we're given we're given tasks. Let's achieve the tasks as as best as we can, regardless of, you know, these human boundaries that are set that we don't understand. I don't know. The moral the moral aspect point you bring up though is such a good point because I didn't even think about that, but it it's it's truly valid. That is an inhibitor for a lot of carnal human behavior, right? We're not
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: we're not Neanderthals in a like a dog eat dog world right now, you know. We have standards and ethics and morals and laws and boundaries and repercussions for breaking those. We
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: have civility, right?
Ethen: Yeah, and I mean like if you think about if you look at all the movies that they're out there, when you have like a person that is the antagonist or the villain, from their point of view, they are doing what's right. and and really that's how everyone acts. Like they're doing what's right based on their point of view. So it depends on whose point of view is correct. I if we look at Terminator, Skynet believed that humans were the gonna be the downfall. So had had to eradicate
Ben: Threat. Yeah. Yeah.
Ethen: them. From its point of view it was correct. So yes.
Ben: Yeah.
Ethen: In the end it comes down to whose point of view is going to be correct. Yeah.
Ben: Ultron, Ultron from Avengers, Thanos from Avengers, like
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: all they all thought they were doing greater good behavior, right?
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: And that can be dangerous, obviously. I don't know if like AI will ever get to that level. I mean I hope not, but
Ethen: I hope not.
Ben: I mean, it's possible. Just like iRobot, you know, I feel like that's
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: an odd one. So it's interesting stuff. And forgive me, I'm eating sushi right now. So I apologize. It's my dinner time. Right before bed.
Ethen: Right before Pat. Gotta do what you gotta do, man. I get it.
Ben: Gotta do what you gotta do. Busy Saturday.
Ethen: So so yeah, but let us know in the comments what do you think? Is is this going is this just the beginning or are we just getting to the point where AI is coming through and going to be taking itself to the HNL, whole nother level.
Ben: Pretty wild stuff. Speaking of whole nother level, Ethan, what is going on with GPU prices, dude? Well, like.
Ethen: They are insane in the membrane.
Ben: Dude, we're at we're at like four to five X what the original price was, which was already crazy expensive. Take us down take us down that road, bro. What is happening?
Ethen: Yes. Yeah. Okay. So back in twenty twenty-five, the fifty ninety was announced by NVIDIA and was at a eye watering price of two thousand dollars. Just the founders edition. you had a bunch of these other companies like Asus and MSI that were putting radical huge coolers on them and Prices were in the three thousands for these cards. And it it was it was insane. Stupid, stupid expensive. Now AI companies are realizing what a powerhouse the 5090 is for AI workflows, and the stock for 5090s has just vanished what seems to be overnight. AI companies
Ben: Crazy.
Ethen: are buying these by the palette. And 5090s are no longer in stock on Nueg or Amazon anymore. And all that people can get is marketplace prices, which have been in the 9000 range for a simple card. So now what's come to it is gamers should just completely forget about the 5090 as a viable card for it. And the fifty eighty is now the best gaming card because that is the only card that we can get. And that is an absurd price at being over two thousand dollars now, also, which is ridiculous.
Ben: Wild.
Ethen: And so I I don't know. It just it just makes me think that gaming is becoming more and more unaffordable. And I was always thinking, okay, you know, this is going to be hypothetical that within like the next two years, gaming's just gonna be unaffordable. Now that time is now. we
Ben: Yeah, we were there.
Ethen: we're there and it's not even the end of 2026 yet. I mean, we have less than a hundred days till Christmas, and it's It's already there. No fifty nineties for Christmas this year, unfortunately.
Ben: Unless you're friggin' rich.
Ethen: I know. Or but yeah, and and I was thinking, okay, Asus has just come out with their 20th anniversary combo deal that's on Newweg. that comes with a motherboard, 5090. Yeah. Yeah. Comes
Ben: yeah. I saw that. You shared that. Yeah, keep going, sorry.
Ethen: with a nice motherboard, 5090, a 3000 watt power supply, which is ridiculous, and and this 360 AIO, which is just beyond absurd. These are absurd products. And the bundle was going for just over ten thousand dollars. And now based off of the prices for these marketplace fifty nineties, that is looking like a deal right now. You can score fifty ninety for the mere price of six thousand dollars in this combo deal.
Ben: So crazy dude. I can't believe that. It's really sad.
Ethen: And I mean, yeah, and looking at that, I never thought I would say that this is the deal. so Ben, what are your conspiracy theories, thoughts? Why is this happening all of a sudden? Why is why are why is gaming unaffordable?
Ben: Dude. I don't know if I have any good conspiracy theories around it, but I think it's just economics of of supply and demand. And I also think it has to do with like supply chain and sourcing raw materials. And so because if supply if demand goes up, usually it's like, let's just increase supply. But I think with world economics right now and how chips are made, it's just difficult to keep up with the demand from AI. And so supply is just not there. And as a result, you get extreme price points for these GPUs. And people, the consumers can't afford them. They can't compete with large AI companies and data center, data center companies. And so they're just getting priced out. that's just my very shallow take based on the limited knowledge I have. But it's it's kind of crazy to see and it's really sad to see. I think overall this is what's gonna be like for a long time, just because I think raw materials, manufacturing, supply chain, that all takes time to develop and especially raw materials, right? You can't just
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: create more. and so I think that's that's the the bottleneck here, causing lack of supply. That's my personal take. Tell me your thoughts, Ethan.
Ethen: Yeah, I I think you're spot on. I I I don't think this is gonna get any better for a long time. I know people are saying, okay, I mean, we've gone through this in the past with computer components. We've had spikes where they've gotten really expensive and they come back down. I kind of think this is one of those things where it's just gonna get worse and stay like that. Because I don't think the demand is going away anytime soon. I mean, even
Ben: I agree.
Ethen: Tim Cook, who was the supply chain man known for good vertical integration supply chain with all of his products, even Apple didn't survive the component crisis. their prices have increased for all of their products. And I mean, granted, not to this level of 400 X, which which is good. Still, nevertheless, everything there is it it is more expensive in Apple land too. And so with this, e everything's just getting more expensive. And if anybody ever does have a gaming computer now, make sure you don't just give it away. I mean, for instance, I'm I'm selling an Xbox right now and I listed my six year old Xbox for MSRP of what I originally paid for it and I have bidders on that for
Ben: Dude, that's wild.
Ethen: the original price.
Ben: Where are you selling that? Marketplace or eBay or what?
Ethen: On eBay.
Ben: That is insane. I can't believe that. I have two Xboxes, I'm tempted to sell one.
Ethen: You know, you might as well 'cause you could sell it at least for what you got you paid for it.
Ben: My boys my I have two boys. They play the second one. They would they would be very angry with me if I sold it.
Ethen: they would be.
Ben: Yeah. But maybe I'd use the money for you know, holiday gifts or something. But yeah. Yeah, I
Ethen: There you go.
Ben: I'm just I'm shocked that it's it's it's like this. But I feel as though everything nowadays is just increasing in price, even if it's not related to the microchip GPU world, memory memory world. I I feel as though even across the board, economics in the world have just costs of things have increased so much. Whether it's homes or vehicles or groceries or whatever it might be, I just feel like it's it's gone up. and I think
Ethen: Yeah. Never got my tear bonus.
Ben: yeah, what the heck? I want my tear up bonus. I And I don't know, Ethan, in in your mind, if it's like this is my personal take. Maybe this is the tinfoil hat moment of the show.
Ethen: Ooh, can foil hat.
Ben: my take is that yes, there are world economics at play that cause increase in price, but I think a lot of companies use excuses to increase their margins and dramatically increase their price point in correlation to their cost.
Ethen: Yes.
Ben: So the cost might go up by 10%, 20%, but their selling price price is saying like, tariffs or supply and demand or supply chain or manufacturing
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: costs have gone up. So we're gonna five X the cost, you know, 500% increase. And it's like,
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: what the what is happening? That's crazy. And I just think companies are taking advantage of that for the To inc to be able to excuse themselves to increase prices.
Ethen: Yeah. I agree I agree with that. I think that's I think that's that's also part of it. That because I mean we like earlier this year we talked about how Micron, SK Heinox and Samsung were all in cahoots just to raise
Ben: Mm-hmm.
Ethen: RAM prices. so based on that report, yeah I think that's real and then now along with it time's caught up and these prices are here to stay.
Ben: The new normal.
Ethen: I know. And as much as I hate the new normal, the only thing we can do is vote with our wallets, but I don't think there's enough wallets to vote out these AI companies taking all these components.
Ben: I agree. Do you ever think sometimes you're like, man, let's just go back to the early two thousands, simpler times. Yes, we don't have the efficiencies and like the access that we have now, but simpler times.
Ethen: Yeah. Friday night going to get pizza from Pizza Hut and then going to Blockbuster to watch a movie on your CRT TV.
Ben: Such good times. I loved that. I loved that. That was so fun. Get a little snack while you're at it, too. man.
Ethen: Yeah. So huh.
Ben: What what were those? What were those mov the Butterfinger had like a movie theater snack that was like bite-sized Butterfingers and Bart Simpson was the sponsor for it. I can't remember what they're called. They were like Butterfinger something. man. It's like don't lay a finger on my butterfinger. Man, I gotta figure that out. Hold on.
Ethen: finger on my butterfinger. Yeah.
Ben: Yeah. And and the but there was like a box of candy that I always wanted of butterfingers. And It was always sold at movie theaters. Hold on. Hold on. Pulling it up. Come on. Where are these? Let's see. Let's go images.
Ethen: Butterfinger babies?
Ben: Butterfinger BBs was one. I actually forgot about those. That wasn't what I was thinking of. Dude, Butterfinger BB's. that's a throwback.
Ethen: Those were so good.
Ben: I totally forgot about those.
Ethen: We need those at
Ben: We need those back, dude. Maybe it's Butterfinger
Ethen: I
Ben: Minis. Maybe that's what it is.
Ethen: So I'm just on this Reddit thread now, like I'm down a rabbit hole. Butterfinger BBs. W top comment. I still have some of those stuck in my teeth from two thousand one.
Ben: it's so true. That's so true. I think it's Butterfinger Bites. I think they rebranded unwrapped minis, but they're like sc little squares of Butterfingers.
Ethen: Ooh.
Ben: Yeah. Butterfinger unwrapped minis, dude. they were in a box, like a movie theater sized candy box.
Ethen: Uh-huh.
Ben: I love those, bro. That was my favorite thing to get. Butterfinger bites. That's what they are. Butterfinger bites.
Ethen: But her finger bites.
Ben: Yep. And I used to want to get those all the time at Blockbuster, but. Yeah, like price point stuff these days and like I don't know, AI's blown up and yes, it's like super cool changes to the world, but
Ethen: Right.
Ben: you know, the the I it's kinda cliche, but like at what cost, you know? At
Ethen: I know. Yeah. It's
Ben: what cost.
Ethen: kinda sad. But I was just thinking, okay, so I I think our generation is like really big on nostalgia right now and bringing that back.
Ben: Yeah. Yeah.
Ethen: Do you think Blockbuster could come back? And be successful in this timeline.
Ben: Mm. They have to be really creative about it. But I do think there's an opportunity because everyone is getting nickel and dimed for subscriptions these days. Everyone,
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: all the big companies are going to subscription and use it data usage models. And so people are getting nickel and dimed for everything. And so if Blockbuster is like, Hey, pay us if they hmm. I'll say this. Blockbuster may not be successful with a brick and mortar store, but they might be successful with like An all in subscription where it's like every week you can pick and choose what you want to have access to. But you could have it for one week. And then you can watch your show, and then you can pick what do you want to have access to next week. Just like how you would go to let the the Blockbuster, you'd pick out your movie for the week, you'd watch
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: it, and then you'd return it. But you pay a subscription for that, and you get access to like Hulu and Met Net Suite, or not Net Suite, that's accounting system.
Ethen: No.
Ben: Netflix. Hulu and Netflix, ESPN Plus, you know, Disney Plus, all these things. And
Ethen: So anything.
Ben: yeah, you get access to anything. Like they become the they become blockbuster but digitized, right?
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: And so you just rent out what you want for that week, just like how you would
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: our old blockbuster. I think that's how they would have to be successful. I don't think they can do brick and mortar. I don't think I don't think because no one ever plays hard copy items anymore. Everyone
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: always does digital. No one will want to go to hard copy. No one will want to go to physical copy in terms of like entertainment. Obviously we have the battle going on with physical copy of games and ownership.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: But I think if Blockbuster were to come back, that's how they should come back. What are your thoughts? You think they have a a
Ethen: I think
Ben: chance to come back?
Ethen: I think that that'd be a pretty good model. You know, especially like 'cause nobody wants to pay for all these services, even though we all do. because I mean Netflix is expensive, HBO, all that. But if you had a service where you could get everything you want from them without having to pay for all of them. That would be that would be something. I think I think people would really find value in that.
Ben: Yeah, I think I think people would enjoy like, you know, however much an a rental was back in the day, if you just take that same, you know, cost, that's you gotta prorate it or not prorate it, but essentially make it the if equivalent cost for today's value of money. And if you apply that to like the the average person's wallet today So let's say it was like three dollars to rent a movie back in the day. Okay. And today it's like, okay, I can pay seven dollars for a rental of a digital show, digital copy, or I could pay fifteen dollars, twenty dollars, twenty five dollars for a monthly subscription and every week I get at least one new rental, maybe two new rentals or something.
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: I think people would do that. And
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: if you look at it, I think Someone just needs to look at the finances, right? They just need to look at the finances of it. Obviously you want to get partnerships with all the big all the big companies. And then you just give a piece of your monthly subscription based off of what the end user of Blockbuster does. Like, okay, out of our hundred users, you know, fifty percent of the time they're at ESPN, twenty percent of the time they're at Disney Plus, then you take okay, we have a hundred percent of our revenue. We take fifty percent ourselves for our own profit. Then the
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: other fifty percent we divvy up based on those percentages of usage. So if you have a hundred dollars revenue, simple math, hundred dollars revenue, we take fifty dollars, then we have to give fifty dollars to our partners who are providing the subs the the streaming. So Disney gets ten dollars, twenty percent, and
Ethen: Mm-hmm.
Ben: ESPN gets twenty-five dollars, fifty percent of the fifty dollars. Right. So
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: I I mean, I'm not I'm not a business owner, I'm not a guru, but that would be my thought process of like if they want to do it, that's probably how they do it.
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: I don't know. I'd be down if if if there was an if there was a a subscription model was like pay us twenty five dollars every week you get like two shows that you can choose from from any streaming service. I'd
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: be like, Ted Lasso season four or five or whatever is hot right now. I'm gonna watch that this week with my wife. I'm gonna do that. So I'm gonna go like I'm gonna pay for this through Apple TV. Mandalorian and Grogu came out on Disney Plus. I wanna do that for my other rental. So those are my two rentals for the week, you know? And then every week you pick something new. I think that'd be cool.
Ethen: Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be too. Hmm. Maybe that's our next business venture.
Ben: Maybe it is, maybe it is. Or someone listening can take it and run with it. I don't know. Make sure you give
Ethen: Yeah. Well
Ben: us credit. I want one percent equity at least. Ten percent. Give me ten percent equity. Ethan
Ethen: Yeah.
Ben: gets the other ten percent.
Ethen: yeah. d royalty. three dollars on every sale. In perpetuity.
Ben: Mm. Mm. There go. Smart man. Smart man. Long that's that's the long term.
Ethen: Long term gain there. but yeah, let let us know in the comments what do you think? Do you think that gaming is cooked? Or is there hope at the end of the tunnel? Maybe maybe it does get better. Maybe we're just the naysayers with our tinfoil hats. But you know what is free. Giving us a thumbs up and subscribing to our channel. We'll never let you down. So give us a thumbs up if you liked it. if you didn't, that other button seems to work all right as well. Make sure you send this video to somebody you dislike. As always, wringling that dingling button so you never miss out on any content that's posted on the channel. Till next time, stay classy and have a great evening.
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