The Materials Trilogy: Plastic, Vinyl & Plush - Sex Dolls, MP3s, & Feral Furries

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the cold opens are gonna be like things that
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we're watching right i i mean the last two haven't
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been we can do whatever we can do whatever i
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feel i want to i because i want to hear the because
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i don't think we should get into it later that
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much but i want to hear so there's a fucking
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ice comic um uh let's get this one out of the
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way Hello, everyone. Welcome to Tales from the
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Gutter. I'm Ethan. I read all things comics.
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My name is Isaac. I read only comics. We are
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two completely normal guys who like to read weird
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comics and talk about the weirder people that
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make them close enough. I wrote a forgive you
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note for him. Here's what I wrote about. his
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short -lived well not even short -lived what
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year was this his first was in 2014 oh no he
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does three so recent that's still so recent his
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first is in 2013 his next is 2014 and he does
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that uh with hilliard his last is in 2015 if
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you're gonna get out of the game that's the year
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to stop doing it I guess, but I don't know if
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he should be in the game to begin with. That
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was never a good idea. What is the premise? All
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right, here it is. ICE is as dumb as you think
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it is. A group of racially diverse meatheads
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go around and shoot super criminals with only
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the most tangential connections to immigration
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enforcement. Doug doesn't seem like he really
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wants to go there, and that is a major blessing
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considering how cringe it is whenever he does.
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Okay. The major character? I think maybe might
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remind you of a certain actor, maybe? That doesn't
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look like anybody to you? It looks kind of like
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The Rock with that hairline. It's the, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. No, especially because it's like,
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it's 2013. So that would have been, Rock still
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had hair in 2013, right? No, he has not had hair
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for like 20 years at this point. But no, I see
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it, I see it. And we'll talk about this later,
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but 12 Gauge does a lot of like... tie -in stuff
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i feel like they had this ready for him and then
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they just uh he just didn't he didn't bite all
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right i am not going to hold this series against
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him for a few reason one the promos are read
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the most controversial comic of the year so i
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think it was kind of like um um like controversy
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bait like maybe he wasn't even that into it it
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was just like oh can you believe we're writing
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about ice you're just fucking rage baiting yes
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number two doug gets in and out of writing about
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race in his comics never very well could have
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been the influence of 12 gauge some of his co
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-authors but his shift to serial killers and
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perverts much more solid territory for him like
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i said before his last ice comic was 2015 And
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his website doesn't mention the title at all.
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So I think he has like an appropriate amount
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of shame about it. That's Joe. Snow Hill, holy
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terror. That's for sure. Let me show you the
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one bit of gold in this series. This is issue
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one. You see this? What is the big tough guy
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scared of an itty bitty knife? They're all in
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the back before an ice raid and they're like
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holding up a knife to him. He's like, oh, he's
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scared of it. His partner's over there. It's
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not that. It's something else. His partner gets
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shot. He's bleeding out on the ground. He's like,
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you have to finally tell me the story about the
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knife. We flash back to him. I think he's in
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Hawaii. I think he was raised in Hawaii. He's
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showing his brother like a chicken. You said
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I could cut it up. You're too little. Give it
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here. You promised. You're such a little baby.
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Go inside with mom. Fine. He throws the chicken.
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His brother throws the knife at him, cuts his
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face up. I hate you, Kai. And he throws the knife
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back into his chest. Oh, wow. Very peacemaker
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-ish. Literally, dude. That's his origin story.
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That's why he doesn't fuck with knives. So he
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tells his partner this story. And then... His
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partner's, like, lying on the ground, and he's
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like, you gotta forgive yourself. And then he
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just, he finally takes the Bowie knife and just,
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like, goes out and kills all the super criminals.
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Very stupid, but I do love that origin. Jesus.
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Oh, dude, is every super criminal, like, a different
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race? Is that what they do? Uh, yeah. yeah yeah
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jesus christ by the time we get to the third
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one they're like a super terrorist cell from
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the czech republic that like it doesn't even
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have to do with ice like they just like they
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like kill one of their friends like he he doesn't
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he just doesn't really care about the ice angle
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um he he writes with it sometimes and it's it's
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it's very uh it's very cringe so There, we got
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it out of the way. Honestly, very accurately
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that the least redeemable characters are the
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ones in ice. He does write a few scenes of the
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ice ages, the ice agents being discriminated
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against. I did not put those up. Those are just,
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those are what you think they are. Jesus Christ.
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We have a special treat today. a three -parter
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our first uh what would you call this a uh a
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trilogy but then they have some spin -offs so
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our first uh combined universe this is the materials
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trilogy by doug wagner and daniel hilliard uh
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starting in 2017 with plastic um then we have
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vinyl in 2021 and plush in 2022 and all of these
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comics i believe are in the same universe yeah
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yeah there's there's tie -ins and they all deal
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with serial killers they're all five to six issue
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miniseries all produced by 12 gauge comics and
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printed and distributed by image in kind of like
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a link to deal i guess to set up this episode
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i do want to talk a little bit about modern comics
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in like the late 2010s uh honestly for me this
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is kind of this is very peak time like we get
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like fucking secret wars in the big two i mean
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there are some duds and stuff but there there's
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some good stuff coming out of the big two and
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indie comics especially image are going super
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strong we see a lot to these short mini series
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usually like five to six issues perfect for trade
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paperback so the thing with the whole trade paperback
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publication type and writing for the trade this
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was like a trend that started a lot in like the
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early 2000s so the term trade paperback actually
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came from traditional novel publishing where
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they would take paperback books to trade shows
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and they would sell the hardcovers to like the
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bookstores so like before like paperbacks were
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an actual thing that like people bought and the
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comic industry kind of adopted this later on
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with things like original graphic novels i'm
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thinking god loves man kills right and then collecting
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certain story arcs like inferno again like x
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-men stuff later on they would go on to just
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collect certain volumes of like long -running
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titles right and then once you get into the 2000s
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and the 2010s you have a a trend in the writing
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whether it's decompression or compression in
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terms of storylines writers are kind of encouraged
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to start and end their stories at least a certain
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arc within five to six issues this kind of gives
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readers a good jumping on point um especially
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if you have shit like fucking spider -man where
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there's like 700 issues or something like that
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i think right now we're at like 670 or something
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like that in spider -man It also gives each arc
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and each volume more of like a TV season kind
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of feel. Storytelling wise, instead of long running
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serialized comics, you get more of the TV season
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kind of thing where people jump in and out of
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books like for creative teams. And then on the
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indie side, it was a lot easier for independent
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publishers like Image to green light these shorter
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series because they're not. committing to a possible
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like 150 issue run of something like that it
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also gave creators like a way one into the industry
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and also like a good outline like it was a good
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format for creators to kind of like come in tell
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a story fully and get out if they knew like if
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it was like five to six issues because they're
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not worried about like oh are we gonna get canceled
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like issue 15 and then we had like five more
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issues that we never got to get to looking at
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2017 when plastic first came out we only have
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saga monstrous invincible and the walking dead
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all like either in the middle or at the very
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end of their runs like invincible and oh invincible
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and walking dead i think wrap up 2017. Is that
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probably Legends too? Or Fables? That's probably
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Fables, right? Yeah, Fables. I think Fables ended
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a little, yeah, even a little bit earlier than
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that. But all of those are Image. And then still
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now, the only like ongoing Image books right
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now, I think are Saga and Monstrous. It's crazy.
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Like 10 years later, almost, which is crazy.
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Like you still get a little something. smaller
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projects here and there but you see a lot more
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of these like short mini series and maxi series
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especially even in the big two like i'm looking
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at everything that tom king has done basically
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everything good that tom king has done is either
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a mini series or a maxi series like i got some
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love for for his batman run but like all of his
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best stuff is mini series and maxi series so
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like six issues to 12 issues uh all the big event
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stuff miniseries or maxiseries like doomsday
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clock and like that so in 2017 you see kind of
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like one of the i mean part of the trend of all
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of these indie creators pitching these short
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mini series and i think that's one of the strengths
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of these books is that they stand on their own
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individually they tell a complete story but they
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can exist in the same world Which is something
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that I see with like titles like Hellboy, right?
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I've seen it called like the Hellboy model where
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it's kind of an anthology more than a continuous
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serialized story. And it builds through these
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smaller independent stories where they can like
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build connections with each other organically
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without being beholden to all this lore and fucking
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continuity. and i think that's one of the strengths
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of like a character like hellboy is that you
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can kind of jump in wherever because it's like
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oh like just go read plague of frogs like that's
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a good one you know what i mean and you could
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give that to anybody you know yeah yeah and then
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it's just like oh this is a cool world and like
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that's is that one even a hellboy story isn't
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that just a bbrd story i think that i don't i
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don't think he's or the abe sapien one i think
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that's it i think no i think he's there i think
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he's there that's early enough i think that's
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mid i'm not sure yeah but like shit like that
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where it's like okay you can just read a singular
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thing yeah right and then you could decide whether
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or not there's less investment i think which
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is like it's the same thing with like tv nowadays
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too right it's like you can tap out on a tv show
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but it feels like with a movie you have to like
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invest yeah yeah you know just to bring it back
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to what we're reading today um five to six perfect
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for this uh each story there's a central dilemma
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that is set up in the first comic and over the
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next uh four to five they just solve that central
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dilemma with lots of obstacles put in the way.
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They don't really meander. They go about it in
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very different ways, but all three of them, I
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would say, are pretty tight. Central dilemma
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and overcoming that, and then you wrap it up.
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Yeah, extremely tight. That's one of the things
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I will say is like a strength of Wagner's writing.
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Very kind of cinematic in the way that the stories
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are structured. It's very straightforward. Even
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if it's nonlinear, like we'll look at with vinyl
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later, but they are very tight. Pretty dense,
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too, I would say, with the stuff. It has a good
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pace, and it keeps things going, and there's
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a lot of fun details that are rewarding on a
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reread. So do you want to talk a little bit about
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like the background of like Wagner and Hilliard
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and like how they started linking up? Let's talk
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about 12 Gauge Comics. This is a very surface
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level overview. That is how Doug Wagner got his
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start. Obviously, every time you're looking up
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comic book artist who has been around for a while,
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artist or author, they've touched a lot of stuff.
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I couldn't find his. supposedly he he has a arrow
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like a green arrow it says just arrow though
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so i don't know if it's like i don't know if
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it's like a tie -in ccw thing oh i don't know
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the tie -in comic for the show maybe that'd be
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funny that would be very up his alley because
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he did i didn't read it but he did do the comic
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book for arkham asylum um 12 gauge is kind of
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a celebrity it's crime comics right yeah okay
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all right let's get into it what did i write
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um 12 gauge comics again very surface level 12
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gauge studios started in the early 2000s by kevin
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gardner quote seeing a hole in the comic book
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marketplace for crime and action adventure stories
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so their flagship title was 2004's the ride doug
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wagner co -wrote that straightforward pulp crime
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action thriller hard not to compare to 100 bullets
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i think you said the same thing 100 bullets came
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out in 1999 that's that's its own thing very
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different vibe but it did have that kind of like
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hardened criminal hardened cops over violent
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very pulp yeah also what what gap in the marketplace
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for crime comics i feel like that's like that's
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like it's all separate it's like there's a whole
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entire like everything that's not a superhero
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comic is a crime comic but someone needs to make
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detective comics has anyone ever thought of that
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i think there just should be more action comics
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or something like I don't know. That has kind
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of a ring to it. All right. Without having read
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much of their work outside of Wagner's titles,
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it does seem like a pretty mixed lineup. Maybe
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it's what you got to do to keep treading water,
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but they are not above Greg Wyke -ism with plenty
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of celebrity tie -ins and even stooping as low
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as to have one of their comics promoted on Jimmy
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Kimmel. If you look at the tab I have for scripts,
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I've got... Oh, I see like an RP. Oh, Mick Foley.
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Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that fucking crazy? Wait, what?
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What is it? Wait, what is it? I didn't read.
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I didn't read that one. It's like a car chase
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one. I need to look at this for a second. Wait,
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Mick Foley is a New York Times bestselling author?
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I didn't do any. I didn't do any research into
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that at all. I just saw the name and splattered
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that photo on there. Pretty crazy. Wow. That's
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the only name that could get me distracted from
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fucking Rosario Dawson. I know, I know. That
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one was weird. Occult Crimes Task Force. Original
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comic book, co -created and drawn to the likeness
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of actress Rosario Dawson. Interesting. Trace
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Adkins is Luke McBain. And then up there you
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have this really, I do have to say, poorly drawn
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Boondock Saints. comic book. Oh, so they have
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some licenses. That's the first one they make,
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but they make about four of those. Look in other
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works. You can look at the Average Joes. You
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see the Average Joes. Do the names Colt Ford,
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Lenny Cooper, Sarah Ross, the LACS, the Moonshine
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Bandits, Twang and Round. Any of those people
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ring any bells? what is this dude those are all
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those are very country people these are real
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people oh those are all those are all mid -level
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like country music stars okay that's why that's
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why all of these guys are like just heavy set
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white guys with superpowers they're the average
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joes and then one fine woman with like the daisy
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dukes and cowboy boots and big old boots yeah
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by the time they get to the last series she is
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the final cover image okay so so wagner and hilliard
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link up for one of the one of their like volumes
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of the ride right like this is like a whole crime
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anthology from what i saw it's either they first
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linked up with 12 gauge for an ice comic or for
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the regular joe's comic that i just showed you
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i think one of those was their first yeah yeah
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strong start so they get together yeah they get
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together and i guess they pitch this first story
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plastic And all of them share a very common thread,
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which is they're all about serial killers, right?
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Yeah. So, like, 2010s were a very big year for,
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like, serial killers and, like, true crime in
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general. I feel like, especially leading up to
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this, you have a lot more of, like, the psychological
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diving into criminals. Like, you're, like, fucking
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Criminal Minds. And, like, that shit was huge.
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Criminal Minds, yeah. Fucking profilers and things
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like that. And then in the 2010s, you get a lot
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of true crime podcasts, documentaries. The whole
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big Netflix true crime documentary thing is huge.
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I think it's one of those things too that's like
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bank robbers or spies or politicians. Creatives
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always take the opportunity to ask, oh, what
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if they were just bad? but for the right reasons
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or what if they were like redeemable bad guys
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right so like a lot of stories like try to humanize
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the serial killers and it becomes like a trope
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with like stuff like dexter and like hannibal
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right it's like it's kind of like vampires in
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like the early 2000s or like the 90s right so
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they become like trendy and like sexy and like
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interesting in that kind of way we'll talk about
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this later but i think i think the arc of like
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what we did with serial killer shows is kind
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of similar to what the the writers do over the
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course of the trilogy where it starts out like
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something like dexter is like kind of pulling
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teeth to be like he only kills serial killers
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he's got these bad influences or impulses they're
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under control but then like when you get to mid
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to late 2010s Bates Motel Hannibal and then all
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the way I feel like the biggest example is you
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you know it's like they're not we just give up
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like we don't give a fuck anymore like you either
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like them or don't like them they're but they're
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not they're not morally conflicted you know those
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are three very different serial killers none
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of them meant to be redeemable yeah maybe baits
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motel i haven't seen it and i i just know how
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he ends up i think you see the trend too like
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with comics like it's no different right like
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before like going back back you have like silver
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age bronze age like stuff where like everybody's
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like batman doesn't kill all of the villains
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are kind of like theatrical like funny like interesting
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like they have gimmicks and then they get traded
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for like a grittier like grimier like real life
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villain inspirations right like yeah like yeah
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cletus cassidy and fucking victor zaz and you
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even see them start to explore it in like comics
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like like straight toasters we mentioned last
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episode and then like fucking that one guy's
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the dollhouse for sandman and i think it it ends
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up being the the batman the newest batman right
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that i mean that's just like straight up like
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the zodiac killer is the riddler yeah it's like
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it's just the two things like completely meshed
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on top of each other exactly and i think now
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too like pop culturally especially in america
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the whole serial killer thing is so in it's like
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part of like american myth now you know like
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i mean as a somebody from california like everybody
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in my mom has a story about fucking richard ramirez
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like all my homies talk about like their mom
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being like oh yeah i swear to god i seen richard
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ramirez like he came to my window one night and
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he typed me like type shit you know what i mean
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like it's like Because it's so, like, it's so
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part of everything. They're the new fucking Paul
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Bunyan. You know what I mean? Like, type shit.
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That's so funny. John Henry Irons of a generation
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is Richard Ramirez and Ted Bundy, right? The
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one we deserve, for sure. The whole other side
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of it, right, too? Like, Hannibal and, like,
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you and shit like that, where it's like, oh,
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and, like, the serial killer, like, fangirls
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and, like, fanboys that are, like... Yeah, yeah,
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yeah. And we see a little bit of it, too, in
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this later in vinyl. It gets a little more meta.
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But, yeah, with this first one, with Plastic
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2017, we have Edwin. I do not understand how
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to pronounce his name. Are we getting into it?
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We're just going to start the first one now?
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Yeah. Okay, so let's get into it. Let's get into
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Plastic. I think we should, yeah. Plastic 2017,
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written. by doug wagner drawn by dan hilliard
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uh colors in this one by laura martin and lettered
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by ed duksher more more so than i feel like a
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lot of trilogies we absolutely do need to talk
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about the color for each comic yeah we talked
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about this a little bit before but it is the
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main difference three that stay consistent through
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this whole thing are wagner hilliard and their
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letterer dukeshire who i want to shout out because
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like he does some the sound effects in this entire
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trilogy are so good like i can hear it you know
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and nothing exemplifies that more than like the
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opening of this first comic where the very first
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panel is in uh fucking oh my god squeak squeak
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squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak it's
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so good just uh sounds coming out of a i'm assuming
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bumping car where we get the squiggly line balloons
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and we open up we see a hand press against the
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window of the car with like a big long squeak
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and out comes out uh edward edwin right so do
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you want to give us like the main overview what
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is what is like the blurb of this series what
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is the elevator pitch the the blurb is um we
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have a easy to say retired serial killer that's
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edwin um he is in retirement he's learned to
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tamp down those urges um kind of in the vein
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of dexter um Because he was saved by love. There
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was a woman he met online who has just absolutely
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helped him turn his life around. He doesn't have
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to do those things anymore. Used in a lot of
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the promotional material and also used just for
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a lot of good bits, but also just to add another
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layer of weirdness to this comic book is the
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fact that the woman who saved him is a blow -up
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sex doll named Virginia. So that first sex scene
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we see was between him and his much beloved sex
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doll. In all of the comics, there is this intermingling
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of sex and violence and passion and urges used
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in a lot of different combinations. And this
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one, just from the very beginning, puts it all
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out on the table just with that setup. She's
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going to get kidnapped within the first comic.
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And what we were saying before about five to
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six issues, You have your initial problem and
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a protagonist that needs to solve it. He is captured.
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Virginia is taken prisoner. And he is asked to
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resume his serial killing ways for a mob boss.
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And that is the main conflict of plastic. They
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don't hide, especially in the promotion material
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and in the covers and stuff like that, they don't
00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:29.480
hide that Virginia is a sex doll. But within
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:34.150
the comic, like you already know that it is but
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they kind of hide it from you for a little bit
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which is kind of fun yeah and it also it gives
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you a big reveal and it gives time you you get
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to see like edwin in his element a little bit
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in these like oh in this first issue for a while
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um you see a lot of the little things his little
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because it's not just the sex doll thing the
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.960
that's like separate that's like he's got a lot
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of things yeah he's got a lot of little things
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like he's taught he always talks about his mother
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who is with them supposedly but never seen never
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seen and it's obvious just from the setup that
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she couldn't physically be there like they're
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they're in a car most of the time and he has
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these little sexy fucking green army doll ladies
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like they're like the plastic army men but they're
00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:25.680
like pinup girls basically that he's always carrying
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around with him and he uses them also as like
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a calling card in a way for each one of his kills
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like when he's about to kill somebody they find
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the the little plastic dolls so him and virginia
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are kind of I don't know if they're on the run
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or what. They're just kind of road tripping.
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They're just out. He likes being on the road
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with his girl. Nothing matters to him. This is
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:57.099
kind of a tie -in between all of them. Serial
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killers in this world are very self -assured.
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They're doing what they want to do. They have
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very free existences. They're not conflicted.
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or regretful violence and being a serial killer.
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And in Edwin's case, more his love for Virginia
00:29:13.369 --> 00:29:16.490
has enabled them to just kind of live their best
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lives. And in the opening couple pages of Plastic,
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he's planning on going to Rome or something.
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Like he's going to go out and take his girl.
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out and for retirement essentially and there's
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all these little things to like these little
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.000
details of the relationship to like give like
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.140
insight into like edwin's character and like
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:40.579
you immediately kind of sympathize with him or
00:29:40.579 --> 00:29:43.079
like you think he's like a nice guy because there's
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.059
all these little things he does like talking
00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:47.599
about like getting her favorite donut which becomes
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.599
like a kind of running gag and this thing is
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.140
the donut trying to get a soft cleaning brush
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for like for wiping her down and shit like that
00:29:56.019 --> 00:29:58.019
like there's all these like little things that
00:29:58.019 --> 00:30:01.680
he does like he treats virginia very he treats
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.559
her well if she was a real woman you know yeah
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.619
he loves her a lot and like it's very apparent
00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:10.000
within these like first few pages of this first
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issue this will go into the next one as well
00:30:12.099 --> 00:30:13.839
but quickly can you just talk about like how
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he's drawn i thought that was interesting like
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.660
the kind of like peter pan kind of thing that
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got going on yeah so the one thing i will say
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.960
about hilliard's art style he does it seems like
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settle in a little bit more throughout these
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three I mean, they're like 10 years apart almost
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by the last most recent thing. But this first
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one's a little bit more detailed, a little bit
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more rendered. But his art style is very similar
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:47.099
to Ryan Otley, I would say. I don't think it's
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:49.220
intentional or anything like that. But there's
00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:52.380
something about, maybe not this so much, but
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later on. Plush, it looks like. almost the same
00:30:56.230 --> 00:30:58.589
guy but that could be the color or two and well
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it's also too like it's a little it gives a little
00:31:01.710 --> 00:31:06.950
adult animation like a more detailed adult animation
00:31:06.950 --> 00:31:09.930
kind of vibe not in a bad way i think it fits
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there's like a cartoony nature to the the people's
00:31:14.750 --> 00:31:18.509
faces and their proportions but it's still very
00:31:18.509 --> 00:31:22.670
grounded grounded with a subtle like over characterizations
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like if someone's old they're gonna have this
00:31:24.470 --> 00:31:28.869
like crazy jutting hollowed kind of cheekbones
00:31:28.869 --> 00:31:31.549
like a buff guy will be just like just like a
00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:33.609
little too buff like his shoulders would just
00:31:33.609 --> 00:31:36.460
be unproportionately wide it's just tweaked everything's
00:31:36.460 --> 00:31:39.819
a little a little uh extra and his art style
00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:42.599
really suits these kind this story because it
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.650
is kind of grounded but it's that thing they're
00:31:45.650 --> 00:31:47.930
larger than life as well yeah it's like it's
00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:51.869
the elevated real world yeah uh which is it's
00:31:51.869 --> 00:31:53.769
something that's very consistent throughout this
00:31:53.769 --> 00:31:56.730
thing i will say he does also like ryan ottley
00:31:56.730 --> 00:32:00.569
have a little bit of same face syndrome um with
00:32:00.569 --> 00:32:03.849
some of these characters but i think a lot of
00:32:03.849 --> 00:32:06.589
it just has to do with the art style yeah they're
00:32:06.589 --> 00:32:11.279
kind of sleazy type guy faces and kind of anime
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.240
girl eyes for the most part so he pulls up to
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:19.079
this gas station and while he's inside these
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.099
fucking townie douchebags come and are like harassing
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:27.660
harass virginia a crazy line too i just want
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:31.119
to point this out when trey the like the leader
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.339
of like this like this douchebag group who's
00:32:33.339 --> 00:32:35.819
also like the son of this louisiana billionaire
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:41.299
guy he he says anybody ever tell you your mouth
00:32:41.299 --> 00:32:45.079
looks like it could suck the stain off a 2x4
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.880
which is insane like that is insane Wagner has
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.819
some of the like he some of the lines in these
00:32:54.819 --> 00:32:58.160
in these comics are like good like he gets the
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:03.740
very it all is very cohesive just like a piece
00:33:03.740 --> 00:33:07.849
of shit thing to say but like comic book levels.
00:33:08.029 --> 00:33:10.369
You know what I mean? Like, comic book level
00:33:10.369 --> 00:33:13.769
of it. Like, it's that kind of pushing it just
00:33:13.769 --> 00:33:17.029
a little bit further. Also, like, you can stain,
00:33:17.049 --> 00:33:19.710
like, a chair. You can stain, like, a deck. But,
00:33:19.750 --> 00:33:21.869
like, you wouldn't stain, like, just a single
00:33:21.869 --> 00:33:24.670
tube. Yeah, who's staining a tube before? What
00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:29.849
do you do with it next? But, talking about, like,
00:33:29.890 --> 00:33:33.170
the elevated stuff, one thing that Hilliard does
00:33:33.170 --> 00:33:37.920
very well. is the violence so they harass virginia
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.160
and edwin beats the fucking shit out of them
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.779
like not just beats the shit out of them but
00:33:43.779 --> 00:33:47.519
like breaks fingers he's tearing off ears throwing
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.059
heads into easily easily for all of these comics
00:33:52.059 --> 00:33:56.500
humans in this world are made of just crunchy
00:33:56.500 --> 00:34:00.809
squishy stuff good to the letterer again the
00:34:00.809 --> 00:34:03.250
the sound effects are phenomenal they like really
00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:06.049
really like help sell it so good there's there's
00:34:06.049 --> 00:34:08.670
a great panel where he's like shoving the cleaning
00:34:08.670 --> 00:34:11.929
brush into the one of the guy's mouths who has
00:34:11.929 --> 00:34:14.309
like a plastic bag over his face and then you
00:34:14.309 --> 00:34:18.449
get the the fucking the the gags and the garfle
00:34:18.449 --> 00:34:21.889
fucking sound effect gags and garfles and so
00:34:21.889 --> 00:34:25.429
he he takes these guys out there's such a funny
00:34:25.429 --> 00:34:28.039
fucking pen they there's these great little moments
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.400
too where like virginia's always hella horny
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.400
for some reason she's always down he's always
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:40.719
he's always like virginia again like there's
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.059
a lot of fun they're cute moments like that and
00:34:43.059 --> 00:34:45.000
like that's the thing too is like there it this
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.380
is a dark and there's some tension but it's always
00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:51.940
not undercut but it's always light you know there's
00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:54.960
a levity to everything in the comic whether it's
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.960
like the violence with it being like over the
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:01.789
top and like cool to, like, the darkness of,
00:35:01.869 --> 00:35:05.010
like, the killing instinct. The villains take
00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:07.369
themselves super seriously. They're always very
00:35:07.369 --> 00:35:10.550
angry and shouting. The protagonists, like, even
00:35:10.550 --> 00:35:12.690
when they're really bothered, they'll snap and
00:35:12.690 --> 00:35:14.849
they'll slaughter people, but then they kind
00:35:14.849 --> 00:35:16.869
of, like, they bounce back into a happy mood
00:35:16.869 --> 00:35:20.250
and get back on task very quickly. And so after
00:35:20.250 --> 00:35:24.329
that, Edwin and Virginia escape, and we meet...
00:35:24.710 --> 00:35:31.989
this billionaire mob boss guy his name is thaddeus
00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:35.929
bellevue bellevue oh my god right he's from louisiana
00:35:35.929 --> 00:35:40.869
thaddeus bellevue who great character design
00:35:40.869 --> 00:35:43.750
honest i really like this guy's character design
00:35:43.750 --> 00:35:48.369
just meat head fucking gray hair he's giving
00:35:48.369 --> 00:35:51.610
cable a little tuft yeah yeah he's got this big
00:35:51.610 --> 00:35:54.110
scar he's got the scar from his ex -wife yeah
00:35:54.110 --> 00:35:57.150
and there's this thing that wagner does in the
00:35:57.150 --> 00:36:01.889
writing that i like he the world feels very lived
00:36:01.889 --> 00:36:05.269
in like there's all everybody has a backstory
00:36:05.269 --> 00:36:07.989
and they refer to it but we don't really get
00:36:07.989 --> 00:36:12.250
into it like it's implied that so him and his
00:36:12.250 --> 00:36:15.469
son trey one of the assholes that was harassing
00:36:15.469 --> 00:36:18.320
virginia have like a very tense relationship
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.199
obviously like the dad's abusive he's always
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.159
talking about how his late mother was kind of
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.920
like the same like she always talked back it's
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.059
implied that like he he had killed her and that
00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:32.900
comes around later he sends two of his like cronies
00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:36.920
one of them's a deputy and the other guy is tall
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:41.880
wolverine yeah yeah yeah they kidnap edwin and
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:47.260
virginia somehow bellevue finds out that edwin
00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:50.619
has been living under this other name victor
00:36:50.619 --> 00:36:56.179
and he has been a spook for like the cia or like
00:36:56.179 --> 00:36:58.780
the government yeah something completely dropped
00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:01.099
very weird he's supposed to be a serial killer
00:37:01.099 --> 00:37:03.239
they never i don't know if they'll fucking so
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.920
i think later so it's like i think it's implied
00:37:06.090 --> 00:37:08.809
that he was like he's like a killer right and
00:37:08.809 --> 00:37:11.250
he has these urges so he is recruited by like
00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:13.429
the government to do a bunch of killings but
00:37:13.429 --> 00:37:16.329
also cool like more characterization like never
00:37:16.329 --> 00:37:18.170
fucking get into it but also he used to work
00:37:18.170 --> 00:37:20.230
for the fucking government like and also too
00:37:20.230 --> 00:37:21.969
like what we were talking about with like the
00:37:21.969 --> 00:37:24.070
whole like redeemable killer thing it's like
00:37:24.070 --> 00:37:26.869
yeah he's a killer but it was government sanctioned
00:37:26.869 --> 00:37:30.070
so it's okay like it's that it's a little bit
00:37:30.070 --> 00:37:32.969
of a little bit of a gimme like it's it's it's
00:37:32.969 --> 00:37:34.929
one of those things where it's kind of absolves
00:37:34.929 --> 00:37:38.130
him bit yeah so he agrees because they have they
00:37:38.130 --> 00:37:41.070
have virginia bellevue wants him to be a personal
00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:43.750
spook to get virginia back yeah and he wants
00:37:43.750 --> 00:37:47.510
him to kill the sheriff of this town who's like
00:37:47.510 --> 00:37:50.070
not cooperating with him and while they have
00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:54.590
edwin tied up and virginia strung up the deputy
00:37:54.590 --> 00:37:57.769
guy thomas he's got some funny nickname yeah
00:37:57.769 --> 00:38:00.610
we're gonna call him liquor from now on because
00:38:00.610 --> 00:38:05.130
that is the the the caption that goes off in
00:38:05.130 --> 00:38:07.590
edwin's mind because he licks virginia's leg
00:38:07.590 --> 00:38:11.139
and the other guy tall wolverine i don't remember
00:38:11.139 --> 00:38:14.500
his name at all but he he looks up her skirt
00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:18.239
and he becomes eyes everybody wants to fuck virginia
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.699
everybody yeah and so they they they get these
00:38:21.699 --> 00:38:26.599
nicknames for their transgressions basically
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.480
which will play into his like whole serial killer
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.719
thing later on it goes full circle on the fifth
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.579
issue they go back to the same kind of like pier
00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:38.239
you can just kind of skip the middle three it's
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.860
just more yeah that's what i'm thinking it's
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:42.880
just more it's more characterization that these
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.320
guys are fucked up that he's a crazy killer um
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.960
uh he's got this pass he's got his mo this this
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.809
uh hitchhiker girl gets roped into it um there
00:38:53.809 --> 00:38:56.409
is like these these like scenes of like sexual
00:38:56.409 --> 00:38:58.730
violence it doesn't show everything edwin comes
00:38:58.730 --> 00:39:01.889
in and liquor liquor liquor's got a lick edwin
00:39:01.889 --> 00:39:04.630
comes in and puts a stop to it tangentially he
00:39:04.630 --> 00:39:07.250
doesn't give a shit he is uh out for revenge
00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:11.429
for virginia and uh she gets roped in because
00:39:11.429 --> 00:39:14.110
she wants to help him and he's very like respectful
00:39:14.110 --> 00:39:19.369
of her i guess it's a little it's a little It's
00:39:19.369 --> 00:39:22.190
a little weird, but she's now a character. She
00:39:22.190 --> 00:39:25.449
just kind of likes his vibe. She likes the fact
00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:28.750
that he loves Virginia so much. We spend the
00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:31.409
three issues in the middle. He's on a war path,
00:39:31.730 --> 00:39:33.849
cutting down the guys who transgressed against
00:39:33.849 --> 00:39:36.289
Virginia, trying to find her, making threat.
00:39:36.449 --> 00:39:40.309
The son... And the father's relationship of the
00:39:40.309 --> 00:39:42.929
antagonist kind of becomes their central thing
00:39:42.929 --> 00:39:45.090
where he's trying to protect him, but he kind
00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:47.389
of has to use him as bait or something. And by
00:39:47.389 --> 00:39:50.409
the fifth issue, it's all leading back to the
00:39:50.409 --> 00:39:53.789
pier. And there is a big climax where they're
00:39:53.789 --> 00:39:56.650
going to trade the son for Virginia. I do want
00:39:56.650 --> 00:40:00.199
to go back a little bit. Because as we like learn
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.059
more about like Edwin's kind of process for killing,
00:40:04.219 --> 00:40:06.880
he does this thing where he'll cut the heads
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.500
off of the people he kills, puts them in a plastic
00:40:09.500 --> 00:40:12.659
bag and labels them. And that's why we get liquor
00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:15.800
and eyes. And he slowly makes his way through
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.940
different people. At one point, Bellevue sends
00:40:18.940 --> 00:40:22.809
another hitman to kill him. after he was supposed
00:40:22.809 --> 00:40:26.110
to have killed the sheriff and then he also has
00:40:26.110 --> 00:40:30.389
a thing for plastic obviously he loves he likes
00:40:30.389 --> 00:40:34.010
using plastic sports to kill people carve out
00:40:34.010 --> 00:40:37.809
their eyes the plastic bags he uses the plastic
00:40:37.809 --> 00:40:41.849
army dolls as calling card yeah kind of like
00:40:41.849 --> 00:40:44.269
calling card or to like tell people that he's
00:40:44.269 --> 00:40:47.409
coming throughout there's some great violence
00:40:47.409 --> 00:40:52.579
and the action scenes are really fun and cinematic
00:40:52.579 --> 00:40:56.099
stuff like the the layouts are nice the splash
00:40:56.099 --> 00:41:01.099
pages are really like well composed like i think
00:41:01.099 --> 00:41:05.159
hilliard does have like he's got a lot he he's
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.099
got a good eye for like these action scenes and
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:11.760
like the pacing them in a way like on the page
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:16.260
that like feels energetic but he also gets in
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:18.860
a lot of these like little details which is really
00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:22.429
fun For each of the middle comics, like I said,
00:41:22.469 --> 00:41:25.630
you can kind of take them or leave them in the
00:41:25.630 --> 00:41:28.369
sense that we will come back to the same beat
00:41:28.369 --> 00:41:32.130
where we started in the same location. But you're
00:41:32.130 --> 00:41:34.730
not bored reading them. There's a natural flow
00:41:34.730 --> 00:41:39.409
of Edwin will kind of stalk his prey. He'll observe
00:41:39.409 --> 00:41:41.869
them. It's kind of like the classic teenagers
00:41:41.869 --> 00:41:44.989
need to be punished thing where he'll stalk them.
00:41:45.250 --> 00:41:47.750
They're potty mouths. They're perverts. They're
00:41:47.750 --> 00:41:54.280
bigots. And then in the third quarter, he'll
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.699
destroy them. He'll obliterate them. It's incredibly
00:41:57.699 --> 00:42:00.739
gruesome. And he'll get a clue about Virginia.
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.179
And it's always fun to go through. Like, I was
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:06.119
never bored, even in those middle three. Yeah,
00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:08.739
exactly. That's the thing with Wagner, I think,
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.840
in general, his writing. Like, it builds nicely.
00:42:12.059 --> 00:42:14.960
And these five issues, perfect. Like, we get
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.960
six for vinyl and for plush later on. But for
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.199
this one, like as they're kind of like figuring
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.820
out the flow, like you'll see the structure kind
00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:28.800
of repeats itself because this ends in a big
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.780
standoff at this like bait house on the pier,
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.860
like on the fucking bayou. They end up, it ends
00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:42.260
up blowing up. Edwin gets shot. He escapes with
00:42:42.260 --> 00:42:46.659
Gwen, the hitchhiker girl and Virginia. They
00:42:46.659 --> 00:42:53.210
escape. But Edwin wants to go back and get Beliveau
00:42:53.210 --> 00:42:57.550
because of what him and Trey did to Virginia.
00:42:57.849 --> 00:43:01.750
So Gwen goes off. And after that, we meet Edwin's
00:43:01.750 --> 00:43:05.630
mom, who is a disembodied skull at this point
00:43:05.630 --> 00:43:08.829
because it's so decomposed in a plastic bag.
00:43:08.989 --> 00:43:13.550
And it says, Mom. on it it's so interesting too
00:43:13.550 --> 00:43:17.349
because like as you were saying the the father
00:43:17.349 --> 00:43:20.170
-son dynamic really does become like kind of
00:43:20.170 --> 00:43:22.070
the anchoring point like that's what we loop
00:43:22.070 --> 00:43:25.329
back around to at the very end we see the dad
00:43:25.329 --> 00:43:29.070
is reading the newspaper and at the very end
00:43:29.070 --> 00:43:31.989
we we find out that the sheriff and the family
00:43:31.989 --> 00:43:33.690
that's who we were sent to kill in the first
00:43:33.690 --> 00:43:35.929
issue yeah back when back when he was trying
00:43:35.929 --> 00:43:39.130
to get him yeah yeah So he's even more redeemable.
00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:42.690
We have this moment where Trey is about, Trey's
00:43:42.690 --> 00:43:45.409
like mad at his dad for like everything that's
00:43:45.409 --> 00:43:47.409
been going on and like what he did to his mom
00:43:47.409 --> 00:43:49.269
and like all these feelings bubble up and he's
00:43:49.269 --> 00:43:53.110
going to shoot his dad and Bellevue apologizes.
00:43:53.389 --> 00:43:58.190
And then fucking Edwin, Virginia in their fucking
00:43:58.190 --> 00:44:02.909
car come crashing through the window that he,
00:44:02.949 --> 00:44:05.389
and he's loaded his car up with a bunch of explosives.
00:44:06.750 --> 00:44:09.469
they just kamikaze it uh did you did you read
00:44:09.469 --> 00:44:14.010
the the spinoff his prequel yeah so we can get
00:44:14.010 --> 00:44:16.489
back into this a little bit later when we talk
00:44:16.489 --> 00:44:18.630
about the other stuff but there's there is a
00:44:18.630 --> 00:44:21.389
prequel comic to this that we're not going to
00:44:21.389 --> 00:44:24.130
really cover in depth just the the final panel
00:44:24.130 --> 00:44:26.429
on that one you know what i'm saying like the
00:44:26.429 --> 00:44:29.239
prequel but the continuation yeah There may be
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.900
more Edwin in the future. But overall, what were
00:44:31.900 --> 00:44:35.440
your first impressions or overall feelings about
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.019
Plastic? It was a fun ride. Didn't get bored
00:44:39.019 --> 00:44:41.199
the whole time. This was the first thing of his
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.119
that I read. Pretty much every scene is grounded
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.960
in some kind of... He's very much about the relationships
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:51.639
between the characters. And that's like a theater
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.260
thing that they always talk about. You're never
00:44:53.260 --> 00:44:55.239
bored as long as you can make them interested.
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.380
in the like the people who are talking right
00:44:58.380 --> 00:45:00.340
in front of you at this moment yeah i thought
00:45:00.340 --> 00:45:03.920
the the dialogue was fun it had like a good sense
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:06.719
of humor yeah yeah taken by itself i yeah would
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.039
definitely recommend anybody yeah i i really
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.579
like plastic a lot too with with the spinoffs
00:45:12.579 --> 00:45:16.159
also i like death and dolls oh yeah yeah a lot
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.260
as well i think they work really well together
00:45:18.260 --> 00:45:21.760
and i think this is like a really fun really
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:26.079
fun story and it works like it feels like It's
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.099
too short for a movie, but it's perfect for like
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:31.780
a five issue. Yeah. Yeah. It matches the form
00:45:31.780 --> 00:45:35.320
super well. It's tight. It moves so well. And
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.289
this is something that I feel like it. you just
00:45:38.289 --> 00:45:42.849
like it's very reliable with wagner's writing
00:45:42.849 --> 00:45:46.130
at least with these three which is something
00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:49.429
that i i feel like a little one note i guess
00:45:49.429 --> 00:45:53.449
yeah but it is very like it's fun like it's one
00:45:53.449 --> 00:45:55.710
of those things where like if this was a movie
00:45:55.710 --> 00:45:57.449
this is some shit that i would just like throw
00:45:57.449 --> 00:46:00.519
on you know yeah yeah and like for sure there's
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.300
a great blurb that i see on like a lot on like
00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:06.659
the trade and like for a lot of the solicits
00:46:06.659 --> 00:46:09.599
for this one for plastic robert kirkman called
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:14.360
it the weirdest shit i've ever read and uh that
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:16.500
that's a little sneak peek into our next episode
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:19.480
maybe yeah like i i really fuck with it it's
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.900
weird and it's like unapologetically weird and
00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:27.219
it settles you into the world very well and with
00:46:27.219 --> 00:46:29.900
things like vinyl which we're gonna look at now
00:46:29.900 --> 00:46:34.320
and plush it just escalates you're in there already
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.280
yeah it just escalates and escalates the the
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.300
last thing i will say about it what completely
00:46:40.300 --> 00:46:43.079
sold me on the comic and this might just completely
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.239
be me but i think it was on purpose there's a
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.440
moment he a whole other thing is that he's got
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.380
a a side character who's a dead body he finds
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:54.599
a dead body and it's it's his partner for a lot
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.519
of it During issue one, they had to get across
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.039
that Virginia wants to fuck all the time. So
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.980
he would always be like, Virginia, you want to
00:47:03.980 --> 00:47:07.460
do what? In the second issue, Virginia is gone.
00:47:07.579 --> 00:47:09.300
He's with this dead body. He's talking to this
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:13.320
dead body. And after they become partners, he
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.239
looks at the dead body and he says, you want
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.570
to do what? And the very next panel is him moving
00:47:20.570 --> 00:47:23.190
a dead body. And he's like, good idea. So he
00:47:23.190 --> 00:47:26.269
set up this moment where you thought that he
00:47:26.269 --> 00:47:29.150
was maybe about to fuck up, fuck the dead body
00:47:29.150 --> 00:47:31.849
with no payoff. It's like, it's very subtle,
00:47:31.929 --> 00:47:35.010
but it is like playing a trick with your expectations.
00:47:35.250 --> 00:47:38.650
And if, if that's what he did, that's such a
00:47:38.650 --> 00:47:40.210
cool bit of writing. Like you've got me sold
00:47:40.210 --> 00:47:42.449
at that moment. That's the thing too, is like,
00:47:42.489 --> 00:47:47.639
it's very funny in a, goofy way that's like charming
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.059
it's almost like a dad joke yeah yeah yeah things
00:47:51.059 --> 00:47:56.380
in these that are very dad jokey but they work
00:47:56.380 --> 00:47:59.000
so well because of the way it's kind of juxtaposed
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.400
with like we were talking before about like what
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.840
kind of like movies these remind us of and like
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:06.119
i had said like maybe like tarantino but this
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.719
is like if tarantino was like not a cynic like
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.219
yeah it's more of like a fun you know like i
00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:16.179
guess like i was saying before like maybe like
00:48:16.179 --> 00:48:19.619
james gunn stuff where there's like a fun aspect
00:48:19.619 --> 00:48:24.719
goofy kind of corny if anything like sense of
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.760
humor that is unapologetic about it they're just
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.900
like no this is like fun and this is funny and
00:48:31.900 --> 00:48:35.099
it's goofy but it can also be dark yeah and like
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.960
he's he's he's he's playing with the fact that
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.789
you can And I think he gets more and more confident
00:48:41.789 --> 00:48:43.710
as time goes along. He's just playing with the
00:48:43.710 --> 00:48:46.110
fact that you can see all this gore and not get...
00:48:46.110 --> 00:48:48.550
You can keep that levity. He pretty much maintains
00:48:48.550 --> 00:48:51.630
it the whole time. The action sequences are action
00:48:51.630 --> 00:48:54.550
-y. You're never... I don't think you're ever
00:48:54.550 --> 00:48:56.809
supposed to be grossed out. He's playing with
00:48:56.809 --> 00:49:01.110
the fact that you can go on this fucked up ride
00:49:01.110 --> 00:49:06.050
and never actually feel squeamish. And I feel
00:49:06.050 --> 00:49:07.510
like as he goes along, he's just more and more
00:49:07.510 --> 00:49:09.539
confident in that. That's the thing too. It's
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:12.099
like with Hilliard's art, like all of the violence
00:49:12.099 --> 00:49:15.840
isn't gross per se. It's cool. Like it looks
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.260
fucking sick. Like that's part of it too. And
00:49:18.260 --> 00:49:19.860
I think that's where like Hilliard does like
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:21.900
a lot of heavy lifting. Like he makes it look
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:24.920
fun and like interesting. We don't want to be
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.139
reminded that they're fucked up, like remorseless
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:31.440
serial killers. If we see too much, like. violence
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.340
that makes us think of real life it kind of like
00:49:33.340 --> 00:49:35.519
brings some morality into it we just want to
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.599
see like someone's fucking head turn into a pumpkin
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.519
exactly exactly all right so next up vinyl 2022
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.739
i'm not gonna hide it this is my favorite one
00:49:47.739 --> 00:49:50.820
no doubt this is uh this is the weirdest one
00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:53.760
without a doubt we got wagner we got hilliard
00:49:53.760 --> 00:50:00.099
and the fucking goat dave stewart on colors Him,
00:50:00.099 --> 00:50:05.300
he and Jordy Belair, like, in terms of colorists
00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:09.420
in comics, is, like, now especially to, like,
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.340
if you're a comic reader, you will know their
00:50:13.340 --> 00:50:17.360
names or, like, recognize their shit because
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.380
it's fucking peak. Like, this one especially.
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:26.760
the it's so good it's so pretty to look at like
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:31.199
the i think hilliard's art in this one is great
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.460
the colors are awesome and fucking ed dukeshire
00:50:34.460 --> 00:50:39.289
on letters is fucking awesome like it is like
00:50:39.289 --> 00:50:40.949
the the sound effects in this one especially
00:50:40.949 --> 00:50:44.809
because this is very music focused which is something
00:50:44.809 --> 00:50:48.190
that can be cringy at times especially in comics
00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:52.150
for like this it's worked in so well like the
00:50:52.150 --> 00:50:55.469
the lettering in this book is like beautiful
00:50:55.469 --> 00:50:57.969
like this is a master class in like sound effects
00:50:57.969 --> 00:51:01.440
and like incorporating like music and things
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:05.159
into a comic book like for a visual medium and
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:09.820
for me wagner's writing is so tight and he does
00:51:09.820 --> 00:51:12.340
take a little bit bigger of a swing with this
00:51:12.340 --> 00:51:16.039
one because it's very non -linear in the structure
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.320
the the premise of the show basically is that
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.719
i don't know any of these comic book people's
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.980
names but even i could tell like the the the
00:51:24.980 --> 00:51:28.300
coloring on this one does just take it To a whole
00:51:28.300 --> 00:51:31.139
other level. The first one, the one we just read,
00:51:31.179 --> 00:51:35.760
I feel like it was about shadows and neon. Very
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.320
cool, very dark. It did have some nice depths
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:44.260
to it. When we get to the third one, I feel like
00:51:44.260 --> 00:51:47.639
those are very bright colors without too much
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.559
shadowing to them. This second one, the choices
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.440
that he makes tied into this kind of garden sunflower
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.639
motif. that runs throughout the whole thing.
00:51:59.059 --> 00:52:03.119
It's very summertime horror. Very midsummer,
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:07.300
like, in that, like, dark, gross, disgusting
00:52:07.300 --> 00:52:12.300
shit over just, like, bright, saturated, pretty
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:17.340
-ass character design and, like, artwork. So,
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.559
Vinyl 2022, this is their second collaboration
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:26.710
in the Materials Trilogy proper. plastic now
00:52:26.710 --> 00:52:31.070
we have vinyl we're returning to this world of
00:52:31.070 --> 00:52:36.010
cartoonish serial killers living their best structurally
00:52:36.010 --> 00:52:41.090
this has a very similar setup something that
00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:44.409
is consistent throughout three which is serial
00:52:44.409 --> 00:52:48.889
killer guy gets wrapped up in this bigger corrupt
00:52:48.889 --> 00:52:54.690
politicians slash law enforcement or like a cult
00:52:54.690 --> 00:53:01.309
mob thing that... A powerful person who is using
00:53:01.309 --> 00:53:05.289
their influence to abuse others. And it all culminates
00:53:05.289 --> 00:53:08.940
in like a raid. basically or a big yeah kind
00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:13.760
of standoff yeah and this one i think is from
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.019
like a reader perspective it's the most fun because
00:53:17.019 --> 00:53:20.280
it's structured like a heist movie so much of
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.579
it is like the the main assault on this cult
00:53:24.579 --> 00:53:28.679
compound and throughout we get these flashbacks
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.860
of like oh how did we get here this new thing
00:53:30.860 --> 00:53:33.039
that's introduced like what is the backstory
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:36.829
of this person or this thing so How does vinyl
00:53:36.829 --> 00:53:39.929
start? I'm going to give a ton of information
00:53:39.929 --> 00:53:42.789
as an example of how much information that he
00:53:42.789 --> 00:53:44.949
gets in. We're going to leave aside the flash
00:53:44.949 --> 00:53:47.550
forward. The flash forward is just a wild moment
00:53:47.550 --> 00:53:51.269
from the middle of the comic, maybe the middle
00:53:51.269 --> 00:53:55.329
end. So if we skip the flash forward, we have
00:53:55.329 --> 00:54:04.800
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 pages. Within 10
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.079
pages, we know that there's a serial killer.
00:54:08.380 --> 00:54:11.059
There's an FBI agent who's trying to catch him.
00:54:11.179 --> 00:54:14.860
Walter is the serial killer. And Dennis. Walter
00:54:14.860 --> 00:54:18.059
is the serial killer. Dennis is the FBI agent.
00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:23.559
Walter treats and thinks of Dennis as a friend.
00:54:23.860 --> 00:54:27.400
Dennis just fucking wants Walter to fess up to
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:32.599
these fucking crimes. This... This could get
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:35.960
across like very, very quickly, but it feels
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.260
like they're getting in so much because it's
00:54:38.260 --> 00:54:41.900
all through these like pretty slow burn, great
00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:45.820
characterization, fun conversations that they're
00:54:45.820 --> 00:54:49.820
having. It's never didactic and never feels like
00:54:49.820 --> 00:54:52.239
an info dump. It's got a great rhythm to it,
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.559
but you get all that information across. And
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:57.719
then the biggest switch, it happens around like
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:01.380
the fifth page. there you have to buy the premise
00:55:01.380 --> 00:55:03.579
that there's this very strange relationship between
00:55:03.579 --> 00:55:06.719
a serial killer and an fbi agent that's like
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.260
somewhat playful um but high stakes and walter
00:55:10.260 --> 00:55:13.900
has this proclivity for music that's one thing
00:55:13.900 --> 00:55:17.059
too that's like established very early on and
00:55:17.059 --> 00:55:20.800
dennis's whole thing is that he's trying to bait
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:25.000
him into confessing by giving him records that
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.760
reference these murders that have been happening
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:33.599
where a record has been played every time a person
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.460
is killed and so we meet them at this like coffee
00:55:37.460 --> 00:55:40.980
shop like daytime coffee shop thing they're having
00:55:40.980 --> 00:55:45.400
their like batman gordon -esque thing hannibal
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.639
fucking conversation charlize theron pulls up
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:56.260
yes the page you've got up right now You have
00:55:56.260 --> 00:55:59.139
to buy it here. You have to buy it here. In the
00:55:59.139 --> 00:56:03.039
next two pages, we just did eight pages of this
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:07.420
like fun setup. Now there is a cult leader right
00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:09.460
in front of you with all these flower children
00:56:09.460 --> 00:56:13.239
behind, someone wearing a spooky mask, this like
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.320
prepper looking guy. And we just dramatically
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.559
take the entire comic in a new angle. She's got
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:24.679
beef with this FBI guy. The FBI guy is Walters
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:29.019
Virginia. He's taken from him. And he's got to
00:56:29.019 --> 00:56:33.539
go save him from this. The more you know, the
00:56:33.539 --> 00:56:38.840
more and more and more bizarre cults. And that's
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.159
like... it it feels it to me i was like that's
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:43.960
a little like ham -fisted like how the fuck did
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.840
they just throw that in there but honestly everything
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.000
i just told you with a little bit of exceptions
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.679
is kind of all you need to know for the next
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:53.780
like five comics and that's the thing too with
00:56:53.780 --> 00:56:56.739
this like wagner does a great job of like just
00:56:56.739 --> 00:56:59.179
dropping you in the world like this is these
00:56:59.179 --> 00:57:01.320
are things these are people that have lives and
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:04.139
backstories and connections with each other because
00:57:04.139 --> 00:57:08.440
the thing is that madeline this cult leader her
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:14.360
Son was imprisoned by Dennis. He's out and now
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:19.619
he's free. And he's this giant fucking Bane ass
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:22.480
motherfucker who keeps killing all the girls
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.639
that he's supposed to like be betrothed to. And
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:29.750
Dennis's daughter is part of this cult. And she's
00:57:29.750 --> 00:57:32.929
using that as leverage to convince him to come
00:57:32.929 --> 00:57:35.630
back with her. And in this page where you're
00:57:35.630 --> 00:57:38.909
first introduced to her, you get so much visual
00:57:38.909 --> 00:57:41.969
information about kind of like the layout of
00:57:41.969 --> 00:57:46.010
her like squad. Like she has this yellow mask
00:57:46.010 --> 00:57:49.849
lady in all white. She's got all white on. And
00:57:49.849 --> 00:57:53.170
then she has this mercenary with her too. So
00:57:53.170 --> 00:57:58.730
she has her like. Her team is comprised of her
00:57:58.730 --> 00:58:03.590
cult members, these superhuman zombie ladies,
00:58:04.210 --> 00:58:10.869
and then the mercenaries. Their whole thing is
00:58:10.869 --> 00:58:17.489
the backdrop. The cult is the setting. So the
00:58:17.489 --> 00:58:22.719
comic doesn't want to explore. them at all they
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.039
just have weird shit in their big mansion and
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:31.219
dennis has to get into the mansion it's really
00:58:31.219 --> 00:58:35.119
weird but it like it's a swing and it kept it
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:39.260
fresh the the comic book wants to talk about
00:58:39.260 --> 00:58:41.360
the serial killers the relationships between
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:43.820
the serial killers the relationship between the
00:58:43.820 --> 00:58:46.780
fbi and the serial killers that's what it's interested
00:58:46.780 --> 00:58:50.289
in it could have done that in a bank heist it
00:58:50.289 --> 00:58:52.170
could have done that with another revenge thing
00:58:52.170 --> 00:58:54.670
could have done that with like a corrupt sheriff
00:58:54.670 --> 00:58:58.110
like we'll get later it just chose to go this
00:58:58.110 --> 00:59:02.250
bizarre direction which i i think adds a ton
00:59:02.250 --> 00:59:05.530
makes it very interesting and very strange and
00:59:05.530 --> 00:59:08.829
we get this also great character moment where
00:59:08.829 --> 00:59:12.449
walter he he follows them to the mansion and
00:59:12.449 --> 00:59:15.690
he has this exchange with the lady there's like
00:59:15.690 --> 00:59:19.239
almost like a child like quality to Walter because
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.780
he's an old guy and he has this he's just kind
00:59:22.780 --> 00:59:26.059
of like just this affable like just nice dude
00:59:26.059 --> 00:59:28.659
and like the these are the things too that like
00:59:28.659 --> 00:59:31.719
with the design from Hilliard and Wagner's writing
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:34.619
like you really get a good sense of the character
00:59:34.619 --> 00:59:37.139
like he like Walter seems like the most harmless
00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:40.710
guy ever and he he literally rides up on a little
00:59:40.710 --> 00:59:44.110
fucking bicycle and it's like hey like where
00:59:44.110 --> 00:59:46.909
do you take my friend let my friend go and as
00:59:46.909 --> 00:59:49.769
he leaves he's turned away and he leaves a note
00:59:49.769 --> 00:59:53.570
in the mailbox to be sent out and that will come
00:59:53.570 --> 00:59:57.989
back around later and we get this fun page that
00:59:57.989 --> 01:00:01.030
i think does a really good job of kind of getting
01:00:01.030 --> 01:00:04.190
across like those like cinematic like cutting
01:00:04.190 --> 01:00:06.969
back moments like that you would get in like
01:00:06.969 --> 01:00:10.389
a oceans 11 movie but it translates super well
01:00:10.389 --> 01:00:13.929
in these in hilliard's like layout and his art
01:00:13.929 --> 01:00:18.150
you get dennis's partner ruiz vic we get dennis's
01:00:18.150 --> 01:00:22.090
partner ruiz yeah victoria ruiz who he had been
01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:25.130
on like on the earpiece with the comms with the
01:00:25.130 --> 01:00:28.070
comms who is finding out like dennis has been
01:00:28.070 --> 01:00:30.250
taken and like the fbi doesn't want to do anything
01:00:30.250 --> 01:00:33.210
about it because he had gone willingly interspersed
01:00:33.260 --> 01:00:37.559
with these panels of New York City Fashion District,
01:00:37.699 --> 01:00:43.059
a skin suit being sewn with bones and Monson,
01:00:43.059 --> 01:00:47.300
Pennsylvania, bloody chainsaw and monster masks
01:00:47.300 --> 01:00:51.619
and Kansas City. Movie props. Kansas City, Missouri,
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:55.449
like a garbage man. And they're all getting phone
01:00:55.449 --> 01:01:00.550
calls. I'm the trash man. That's my thing. I
01:01:00.550 --> 01:01:03.710
just throw trash around. I wish he had a bit
01:01:03.710 --> 01:01:07.289
like that. I wish he had a bit like that. But
01:01:07.289 --> 01:01:11.230
that would be funny. And then we just get right
01:01:11.230 --> 01:01:16.219
into it too. so that's all of like the backstory
01:01:16.219 --> 01:01:19.199
we get like initially at the very very beginning
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:23.639
opening page we get like an in media res of like
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.420
this assault Dennis is bleeding out he's got
01:01:26.420 --> 01:01:29.860
this zombie lady after him and he's telling Walter
01:01:29.860 --> 01:01:32.739
to put on the mask which is this teddy bear mask
01:01:32.739 --> 01:01:36.699
and then we cut to their initial conversation
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.960
And then after all this, we just get into it.
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:44.380
At the end of this issue, we get a fun security
01:01:44.380 --> 01:01:50.559
camera POV of Walter pulling up on the compound
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:55.960
and just taking everybody out. And he's in his
01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:02.199
suit, and he's got a teddy bear old ass falling
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:07.909
apart. teddy bear mask on again some great fucking
01:02:07.909 --> 01:02:13.190
art and some great sound effects like i can hear
01:02:13.190 --> 01:02:17.630
this like it's that whole like staticky security
01:02:17.630 --> 01:02:21.190
camera footage with just gunshots going off in
01:02:21.190 --> 01:02:24.780
the background People say this sometimes, and
01:02:24.780 --> 01:02:27.420
sometimes people say it too much, but I do think
01:02:27.420 --> 01:02:30.039
the chills you get from this one is one of those
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:32.619
things that you can only do in a comic book.
01:02:32.780 --> 01:02:36.599
There's panel by panel, the guards not moving
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.619
in the same position, and the guy in the bear
01:02:39.619 --> 01:02:43.500
suit popping up in different places. So just
01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:47.440
the way your brain fills in, oh my God, he's
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:50.519
just like... He's faster than them. He's very
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:53.400
mysterious. He's a killer. There's a threatening
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.340
vibe to it with a big black cutout and just squishes
01:02:57.340 --> 01:03:01.699
at the end. It's very cinematic. It's badass.
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.400
It just looks really fucking cool. I think Hilliard
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:08.980
uses the comic book language very well with the
01:03:08.980 --> 01:03:15.059
paneling. Throughout this story, this raid, that's
01:03:15.059 --> 01:03:21.219
the main framing device. It's basically Walter
01:03:21.219 --> 01:03:27.519
teams up slash kidnaps Ruiz to help him get back
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:32.500
Dennis. And throughout the book, he's going through
01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:35.079
just taking out. It's very Game of Death, right?
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.900
We get him just going through the levels of the
01:03:37.900 --> 01:03:40.739
cult, taking out different people. And throughout,
01:03:41.019 --> 01:03:45.960
we find out that he has also recruited other
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:50.199
serial killers. He has assembled an elite team.
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.739
He got the gang back together. Yeah, and they're
01:03:53.739 --> 01:03:59.760
all equally as... Gimmicky sounds bad, but they
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:04.579
all have this fun, cartoonish bit that they're
01:04:04.579 --> 01:04:09.239
doing. Everybody has their own character, and
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:14.239
it's fun. The twins are horror fans. That's their
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:18.480
thing. Their kills are homages. They are the
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:23.579
Scream franchise personified horror movie obsessed
01:04:23.579 --> 01:04:30.539
young serial killer twins. And we have Guy. that's
01:04:30.539 --> 01:04:34.800
his thing he throws trash if trash is blood and
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.760
guts then yes he just literally goes around just
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:40.000
like grabbing people and like snapping their
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.179
necks look at that look at the vinyl highlights
01:04:42.179 --> 01:04:44.800
dude i have my favorites on there i have my favorites
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:47.539
on there he's just a big fucking guy yeah he's
01:04:47.539 --> 01:04:49.900
just a big fucking dude who's also like just
01:04:49.900 --> 01:04:55.530
chill like he's like a chill guy like yeah korloff
01:04:55.530 --> 01:04:58.750
boris karloff looking and then so we have the
01:04:58.750 --> 01:05:05.269
twins guy and renny renny who is the skin suit
01:05:05.269 --> 01:05:09.000
fashion designer She gets her own comic later.
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.880
Yeah, she gets the spin -off, the sequel, I Was
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:14.820
a Fashion School Serial Killer, later on. And
01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:17.980
her whole thing is the people that she kills,
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:22.500
she bathes in their blood and makes a skin suit
01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:26.960
out of them. So we have these three, or four,
01:05:27.139 --> 01:05:30.119
if you're counting Walter. Walter has recruited
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:31.659
them. Five, if you count the twins as separate
01:05:31.659 --> 01:05:39.929
people. Yeah. We get Walter, who is Snap, the
01:05:39.929 --> 01:05:43.190
teddy bear man, who listens to music while he's
01:05:43.190 --> 01:05:47.510
killing people. We have the twins, Guy and Renny,
01:05:47.630 --> 01:05:51.829
and they go through just making their way through
01:05:51.829 --> 01:05:59.030
the cult. We also find out on the Madeline side,
01:05:59.289 --> 01:06:05.010
the Bellini Sunflower Farm cult, Madeline is...
01:06:05.500 --> 01:06:10.039
shirley sterone she has her mercenaries which
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:13.599
she ends up dropping later on because they start
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:17.579
she does the great little like oh you're fucking
01:06:17.579 --> 01:06:20.579
incompetent kills them all thing which is great
01:06:20.579 --> 01:06:27.239
yeah and then she has the yellow gold mask ladies
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:33.840
who walter tells the twins are haints like there's
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:38.219
their souls trapped in dead bodies basically
01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:40.800
which is also a thing like they reference in
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:44.219
sinners too like that's what they call that's
01:06:44.219 --> 01:06:46.719
what they think the vampires are to begin with
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.699
so we we introduce this supernatural element
01:06:49.699 --> 01:06:52.179
yeah it's the only one right it's like a cult
01:06:52.179 --> 01:06:55.480
supernatural well also i mean like plush too
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:59.199
we'll get into later it's it's more It's less
01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:03.039
concrete how fantastical it is, right? But this
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:06.679
one, they just go for it. We also find out that
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:13.519
Madeline has her mother is locked in the basement
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.199
and she's like a zombie, like a super zombie
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:23.400
lady. And then her son is this crazy, like fucking
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:28.690
redneck Bane looking guy. There's also like a
01:07:28.690 --> 01:07:32.630
chef that eats people. Yeah, we have like the
01:07:32.630 --> 01:07:35.409
butcher lady. They're basically, they're like
01:07:35.409 --> 01:07:38.869
Silent Hill bosses. Like they don't get a ton
01:07:38.869 --> 01:07:40.849
of characterization. They just like exist to
01:07:40.849 --> 01:07:46.099
show up. To kill or be killed by the killers
01:07:46.099 --> 01:07:48.000
as they progress their way through the movie.
01:07:48.019 --> 01:07:50.739
And throughout, we get little flashbacks of Walter
01:07:50.739 --> 01:07:54.420
going and recruiting all of his friends. Yeah.
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.960
Rennie had given him an MP3 player. She is kind
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:03.159
of his, I guess, like, pseudo -daughter -esque
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.019
character. Yeah, for sure. Like, she takes care
01:08:05.019 --> 01:08:08.460
of him because he's, like, kind of like a...
01:08:08.829 --> 01:08:11.869
confused old man in a way which we'll get to
01:08:11.869 --> 01:08:15.530
later the boy the twins are kind of their fan
01:08:15.530 --> 01:08:20.310
boys and their fan boys of walter and renny and
01:08:20.310 --> 01:08:24.630
guy especially renny oh my god yeah good dude
01:08:24.630 --> 01:08:26.909
who wouldn't be who wouldn't be they sound like
01:08:26.909 --> 01:08:30.770
i gotta i gotta take a moment to be a little
01:08:30.770 --> 01:08:33.550
thirsty because fucking ranny has that she's
01:08:33.550 --> 01:08:36.850
just that like classic like the fucking goth
01:08:36.850 --> 01:08:39.689
characters in like old cartoon you know what
01:08:39.689 --> 01:08:43.289
i mean doesn't that like awakening of like she's
01:08:43.289 --> 01:08:47.189
just like ethan if you if you'll check my reference
01:08:47.189 --> 01:08:53.470
images uh covers uh scroll down to one of two
01:08:53.470 --> 01:08:57.420
different covers that i include god yes also
01:08:57.420 --> 01:09:02.340
slightly am slightly asian coded i don't think
01:09:02.340 --> 01:09:06.340
i'm crazy for saying that yeah and like there's
01:09:06.340 --> 01:09:09.000
some great little character moments too again
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.340
wagner just making the world feel living you
01:09:12.340 --> 01:09:15.699
get these little little things that they do like
01:09:15.699 --> 01:09:19.770
renny's always scratching The way that he kind
01:09:19.770 --> 01:09:23.789
of gives the reader information just very casually
01:09:23.789 --> 01:09:26.149
without, like, dwelling on it too much. Even
01:09:26.149 --> 01:09:28.449
the her bathing in blood thing, it's treated
01:09:28.449 --> 01:09:32.939
extremely... Something she's gotta do. everybody's
01:09:32.939 --> 01:09:34.779
used to it yeah it's just something that she
01:09:34.779 --> 01:09:38.420
does and like we don't explain it but it's something
01:09:38.420 --> 01:09:42.140
that is it's taken as a fact of the world even
01:09:42.140 --> 01:09:46.060
the twins they reference they they talk about
01:09:46.060 --> 01:09:50.600
oh how cool would it be if she made a skin suit
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:53.899
out of them which ends up happening later on
01:09:53.899 --> 01:09:57.779
because they are murdered by this by madeline's
01:09:57.779 --> 01:10:04.460
fucking bane ass son Like I said, the cult is
01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:07.119
the backdrop. The emotional heart of this entire
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:12.060
run is that all of the serial killers are sensitive,
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:17.680
emotional, fiercely loyal, chill people who also
01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:21.739
kill probably innocent people for fun. We don't
01:10:21.739 --> 01:10:24.560
get into it in this. It doesn't matter. We just
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:27.340
get scene after scene about these really well
01:10:27.340 --> 01:10:30.399
-characterized... empathetic like pretty cool
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.600
relationships that they all have with each other
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:34.460
yeah that's i mean that's what's the comic is
01:10:34.460 --> 01:10:37.279
about exactly everybody feels very human and
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:40.300
like they have history with each other and that
01:10:40.300 --> 01:10:43.659
their relationships these for a lot of them this
01:10:43.659 --> 01:10:46.840
is the end of their relationships yeah yeah this
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:49.300
story which i think is fun like you you're meeting
01:10:49.300 --> 01:10:53.869
them all in the Twilight, yeah. Of their lives,
01:10:54.029 --> 01:10:56.130
yeah. Which is something, like, this could easily
01:10:56.130 --> 01:10:59.069
be, like, I could see if we were starting from
01:10:59.069 --> 01:11:01.270
the beginning. This could be, like, a long -running
01:11:01.270 --> 01:11:06.390
series where this is kind of the end of it. Like,
01:11:06.430 --> 01:11:09.069
this is, like, their big kind of send -off. But
01:11:09.069 --> 01:11:12.510
we get kind of dropped at the end of their stories,
01:11:12.630 --> 01:11:15.810
which is really fun. Yeah. It's their Red Dead
01:11:15.810 --> 01:11:19.670
Redemption. Surprisingly tender moment when...
01:11:20.569 --> 01:11:26.149
the twins die and renny has to make a suit out
01:11:26.149 --> 01:11:30.069
of their skin and she's crying and just like
01:11:30.069 --> 01:11:33.130
thinking about them and which i think is really
01:11:33.130 --> 01:11:36.229
fun one of the twin dies and the other one cuts
01:11:36.229 --> 01:11:38.149
his throat because he doesn't want to live without
01:11:38.149 --> 01:11:40.409
the twin and he's like please make me into a
01:11:40.409 --> 01:11:43.310
skin suit and she's like okay i promise honestly
01:11:43.310 --> 01:11:45.529
dude i'm just gonna power through i don't think
01:11:45.529 --> 01:11:48.630
it's that big of a beat he has alzheimer's and
01:11:48.630 --> 01:11:51.619
he has to keep the mp3 player on at all times
01:11:51.619 --> 01:11:55.819
if he doesn't have the mp3 player on um then
01:11:55.819 --> 01:11:59.260
he's he doesn't know where he is it's like sometimes
01:11:59.260 --> 01:12:01.840
alzheimer's patients can be reminded of things
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.199
if music is playing and it just takes that concept
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:07.180
and turns it up to 11. it happens about halfway
01:12:07.180 --> 01:12:09.930
through it's a good way to take them out yeah
01:12:09.930 --> 01:12:14.210
we have a scene where dennis and walter finally
01:12:14.210 --> 01:12:19.949
link up together and the zombie mom is this is
01:12:19.949 --> 01:12:22.189
the flash forward that we get at the very beginning
01:12:22.189 --> 01:12:26.569
the zombie mom is about to kill dennis the record
01:12:26.569 --> 01:12:29.789
that they had been playing his mp3 break and
01:12:29.789 --> 01:12:35.179
he gets confused and dennis has to like seeing
01:12:35.179 --> 01:12:40.079
like fucking this old man yeah nursery rhymes
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:44.039
so that he can walter can lock in put the mask
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:49.479
on and like get back to it it's not meant to
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:51.899
be like a serious thing about alzheimer's i think
01:12:51.899 --> 01:12:53.659
it didn't really like bug me i just thought it
01:12:53.659 --> 01:12:56.399
was a little goofy but as as a plot thing it
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.880
works it does keep things yeah there is like
01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:02.640
kind of a fun it's like a fun twist that adds
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:05.939
like a little bit of like tension although that
01:13:05.939 --> 01:13:08.560
just yeah adds more layers to characterization
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.340
too yeah that's why he always has the records
01:13:11.340 --> 01:13:13.460
so do we want to talk a little bit before we
01:13:13.460 --> 01:13:15.720
get to the very end do you want to talk a little
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.000
bit about someone like the best like kills and
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:21.220
deaths uh i mean the one you've got up right
01:13:21.220 --> 01:13:24.859
now all the trash man stuff was fun um the trash
01:13:24.859 --> 01:13:28.260
man is looking for a glorious death because they
01:13:28.260 --> 01:13:30.479
reference edwin in virginia they're like wow
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:34.220
the old heads are getting wiped out so he um
01:13:34.220 --> 01:13:38.000
he gets uh he like douses himself he's getting
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.680
fucked up by the haints and he like douses himself
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.159
in oil he's got a really like burned out muscle
01:13:45.130 --> 01:13:47.689
panel it looks pretty good that was a fun ending
01:13:47.689 --> 01:13:52.090
for him the panel where renny like premieres
01:13:52.090 --> 01:13:56.810
her twin skin suit is great she always got these
01:13:56.810 --> 01:14:01.149
like these bone daggers that she kills the madeline's
01:14:01.149 --> 01:14:04.170
son with which is a awesome fucking panel also
01:14:04.170 --> 01:14:07.289
yeah the the skin suit does look good it's got
01:14:07.289 --> 01:14:10.149
like that hanging jaw like that little floppy
01:14:10.149 --> 01:14:12.270
jaw at the bottom i like that yeah it looks really
01:14:12.270 --> 01:14:16.989
really good and then so um once walter fucking
01:14:16.989 --> 01:14:21.930
locks in there's some great final push like to
01:14:21.930 --> 01:14:25.689
the end is really fun because a lot of it you
01:14:25.689 --> 01:14:29.289
don't see is like they do a lot of the fun things
01:14:29.289 --> 01:14:31.430
where you only see some of the big hits and then
01:14:31.430 --> 01:14:33.850
some of the more like crazy gruesome things you
01:14:33.850 --> 01:14:36.300
get kind of like the corner of like you just
01:14:36.300 --> 01:14:40.380
get a little tiny piece like the frame and one
01:14:40.380 --> 01:14:43.220
of my favorite parts is the where he takes out
01:14:43.220 --> 01:14:45.300
three haints at once and you don't really see
01:14:45.300 --> 01:14:48.840
it you just see masks dropping and then you get
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:53.560
this fun panel of three haints all like stood
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:57.449
up by the spears that they're holding through
01:14:57.449 --> 01:15:00.949
their heads and through the bottom of one of
01:15:00.949 --> 01:15:04.130
their chins that's just holding them all up together,
01:15:04.409 --> 01:15:08.090
which it looks so good. What you were saying
01:15:08.090 --> 01:15:11.609
before about him knowing how to use the structure
01:15:11.609 --> 01:15:15.109
of a comic, if you take your time with this panel,
01:15:15.250 --> 01:15:19.239
your brain does just like... do a lot of filling
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.960
in the gaps and it's just it's it's it's just
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:24.460
a ton of fun and i really really and he has some
01:15:24.460 --> 01:15:28.659
great build -ups to like taking moments for the
01:15:28.659 --> 01:15:31.979
fight scenes where you get the big two panels
01:15:31.979 --> 01:15:37.319
or two page splash with like these big motions
01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.699
and stuff like that and his final standoff with
01:15:40.699 --> 01:15:45.779
madeline is really fun and the way that they
01:15:45.779 --> 01:15:49.960
incorporate the like the music it's always just
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.399
kind of drifting around in the background yeah
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:58.939
and it's not super like it's not intrusive like
01:15:58.939 --> 01:16:01.600
whether it's the lyrics or like actual musical
01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:06.359
notes that you see playing around and it ends
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:11.180
with walter and madeline like they both kind
01:16:11.180 --> 01:16:15.199
of kill each other and the whole sunflower farm
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:19.319
goes up in flames and at the very end we get
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:23.600
another kind of we mirror the panels at the very
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:28.279
beginning with the we see the behavioral analysis
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:33.260
unit the fbi in quantico virginia and then we
01:16:33.260 --> 01:16:39.819
see dennis's house in missouri and it's interspersed
01:16:39.819 --> 01:16:44.819
with the twins house empty um the street where
01:16:44.819 --> 01:16:49.699
guy was empty and renny interviewing to be part
01:16:49.699 --> 01:16:52.739
of like the new york fashion institute and within
01:16:52.739 --> 01:16:56.399
this dennis gets the letter that walter had mailed
01:16:56.399 --> 01:16:58.760
at the beginning and it's his confession where
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:00.939
he gives him the location of a storage locker
01:17:00.939 --> 01:17:05.579
full of records that he had taken from his victim
01:17:05.579 --> 01:17:08.359
each each record is a kill yeah yeah oh my god
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.409
there's hundreds again one of those things you
01:17:11.409 --> 01:17:13.590
just you can't look too closely at it kind of
01:17:13.590 --> 01:17:16.149
changes the whole like story if you're like wait
01:17:16.149 --> 01:17:19.069
and then we get the little kaiser sose moment
01:17:19.069 --> 01:17:22.949
where yeah a faceless man is sitting on a greyhound
01:17:22.949 --> 01:17:27.090
bus to who knows where and music starts playing
01:17:27.090 --> 01:17:30.069
and he starts snapping and that's the end of
01:17:30.069 --> 01:17:33.569
that one yeah i'm a little more sold on this
01:17:33.569 --> 01:17:37.050
one yeah after we spent time yeah this one's
01:17:37.050 --> 01:17:42.569
super fun like super tight wacky the characters
01:17:42.569 --> 01:17:45.970
are great i really love the twins because like
01:17:45.970 --> 01:17:49.029
a lot of the times the whole like meta movie
01:17:49.029 --> 01:17:53.350
like bits can be a little bit grating in other
01:17:53.350 --> 01:17:56.289
things but this one it's fun like you can tell
01:17:56.289 --> 01:17:59.710
like wagner likes this shit like it's really
01:18:00.270 --> 01:18:03.789
awesome to look at the wraparound covers for
01:18:03.789 --> 01:18:08.329
this yeah yeah i picked this up as a trade when
01:18:08.329 --> 01:18:11.310
this first came out and when i saw the wraparound
01:18:11.310 --> 01:18:15.569
covers i i i went and looked for some of the
01:18:15.569 --> 01:18:19.989
like i have the sunflower one who you got all
01:18:19.989 --> 01:18:21.989
right we got sunflower you got i really want
01:18:21.989 --> 01:18:24.789
i really want the ready one of course i don't
01:18:24.789 --> 01:18:28.460
want the fucking gotta get there but yeah But
01:18:28.460 --> 01:18:32.340
some of the alt covers of this are great. Yeah,
01:18:32.380 --> 01:18:35.640
just the art's awesome. Like, this one is one...
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.140
If I was to recommend one out of these three
01:18:38.140 --> 01:18:41.220
to anybody, it would be this one. Because this
01:18:41.220 --> 01:18:44.699
one has it all. Yeah. In terms of, like, the
01:18:44.699 --> 01:18:48.220
art, the writing, it's tight, it's punchy, it's
01:18:48.220 --> 01:18:52.359
funny, and it's just fucking weird as hell. Like,
01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:57.399
and, like... it it's a fun fun read this is something
01:18:57.399 --> 01:18:59.880
that i think i will come back to like every once
01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:01.760
in a while you know what i mean this is something
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.199
that i'll just like i'll flip through and just
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.800
like read different scenes and just like the
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:09.859
character dynamics are are really fun for this
01:19:09.859 --> 01:19:13.750
one yeah um Well, now that we've shit all over
01:19:13.750 --> 01:19:19.470
it, we can go to the last one. This next one
01:19:19.470 --> 01:19:23.510
fucking sucks. That's the thing. Mileage may
01:19:23.510 --> 01:19:26.930
vary on all of these, but I think the quality
01:19:26.930 --> 01:19:30.850
is pretty consistent. Even though vinyl is my
01:19:30.850 --> 01:19:35.149
favorite, I wouldn't say plush or any of the
01:19:35.149 --> 01:19:39.869
other ones are bad. At their worst, they're kind
01:19:39.869 --> 01:19:45.329
of like... it's mid but still fun and cool and
01:19:45.329 --> 01:19:47.789
interesting you know i still like it a lot you
01:19:47.789 --> 01:19:51.909
know so plush comes out one year later 2023 or
01:19:51.909 --> 01:19:56.750
it starts the year that the first issue i think
01:19:56.750 --> 01:20:00.090
comes out the year before it's even out or before
01:20:00.090 --> 01:20:03.970
it's finished vinyls like trade paperback comes
01:20:03.970 --> 01:20:10.619
out because let me see um yes so november 2021
01:20:10.619 --> 01:20:14.100
oh yeah it's like a full year 2021 so yeah november
01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:19.119
2021 is the last vinyl issue the trade paperback
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:23.600
comes out early 2022 plush starts november 2022
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:30.460
and this one is like just from the like the first
01:20:30.460 --> 01:20:34.539
cover you can tell that he's just going for it
01:20:34.539 --> 01:20:44.050
yeah like right away Devin Fulcher, who was in
01:20:44.050 --> 01:20:48.409
a relationship with the daughter of the sheriff
01:20:48.409 --> 01:20:53.050
of this small town. And he finds out that she
01:20:53.050 --> 01:20:56.949
had been cheating on him with one of the deputies.
01:20:57.090 --> 01:21:00.409
All of this is coming out in a conversation with
01:21:00.409 --> 01:21:03.270
his friend where he's still like... kind of processing
01:21:03.270 --> 01:21:05.750
the emotions he's still mad about it he feels
01:21:05.750 --> 01:21:08.029
betrayed i think in a very tight conversation
01:21:08.029 --> 01:21:12.170
we get cuck status in a couple panels very very
01:21:12.170 --> 01:21:15.369
very snappy uh shitting on our protagonist yeah
01:21:15.369 --> 01:21:18.630
a little bit and that's one thing too like with
01:21:18.630 --> 01:21:22.470
this i think hilliard i wouldn't say it's like
01:21:22.470 --> 01:21:26.310
a weakness but when it gets to like more regular
01:21:26.310 --> 01:21:30.779
human stuff I feel like it's not as exciting.
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:34.539
You need a little bit of the weird context. And
01:21:34.539 --> 01:21:37.800
I think he provides this through the furry thing.
01:21:37.979 --> 01:21:42.380
His roommate is a furry. Yeah. and he convinces
01:21:42.380 --> 01:21:45.659
him to go to this furry convention where he also
01:21:45.659 --> 01:21:48.819
fucking gives him molly oh yeah he just fucking
01:21:48.819 --> 01:21:52.300
roofies him to get his mind off things yeah he
01:21:52.300 --> 01:21:55.619
roofies him he's just like yo bro a little something
01:21:55.619 --> 01:21:59.939
to take the edge off and in this panel a little
01:21:59.939 --> 01:22:04.329
tie -in moment you see snap yeah in the corner
01:22:04.329 --> 01:22:06.930
with his teddy bear mask on during this furry
01:22:06.930 --> 01:22:09.109
convention which is like a nice little easter
01:22:09.109 --> 01:22:12.930
egg but this one we we go right into it within
01:22:12.930 --> 01:22:17.189
a few pages devin's at the devin's at the furry
01:22:17.189 --> 01:22:21.270
convention he's sick from the molly he goes outside
01:22:21.270 --> 01:22:25.069
to throw up and he sees this group of furries
01:22:25.069 --> 01:22:28.210
eating somebody so the setup of this one devin
01:22:28.210 --> 01:22:31.649
devin pulls up on this group of furries we have
01:22:31.649 --> 01:22:35.800
this goat man who i will say it does not look
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:38.060
very much like a fursuit it just looks like a
01:22:38.060 --> 01:22:42.039
human goat costume like an actual yeah just like
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:45.279
an actual goat cat girl she's pretty furry cat
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:49.869
girl's pretty yeah goat guy scratch ellie is
01:22:49.869 --> 01:22:53.649
a cat girl and then this third one we never see
01:22:53.649 --> 01:22:56.710
their face we never see their actual body but
01:22:56.710 --> 01:22:59.829
it is a pink i don't know it looks like magic
01:22:59.829 --> 01:23:02.689
carp like the head looks like magic carp but
01:23:02.689 --> 01:23:05.170
it's like a blonde wig and it's just this like
01:23:05.170 --> 01:23:08.489
thick woman it's a fursuit of a human it's not
01:23:08.489 --> 01:23:10.329
even like a fursuit it's like but i'm saying
01:23:10.329 --> 01:23:13.229
like yeah yeah what a fursuit is to a cat this
01:23:13.229 --> 01:23:16.149
suit is to a human you know yeah it's like it's
01:23:16.149 --> 01:23:21.220
like a fursuit of A lingerie wearing... Miss
01:23:21.220 --> 01:23:25.060
Piggy. If Miss Piggy was a person, if it was
01:23:25.060 --> 01:23:27.119
like an actual human, and then you made a fursuit
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.039
of that, that's what it looks like. There's only
01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:31.439
too many different ways to say that, you know,
01:23:31.460 --> 01:23:33.640
we've got an erection looking at this right now.
01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:42.579
And that is Keebler. Keebler! And they are just
01:23:42.579 --> 01:23:45.909
casually... We get a line from Chuck where he's
01:23:45.909 --> 01:23:48.850
like, hey, this isn't as bad as it looks. And
01:23:48.850 --> 01:23:51.590
they just have, like, flesh hanging from their
01:23:51.590 --> 01:23:55.229
mouths. And they're just over this body. He runs
01:23:55.229 --> 01:23:57.970
away. What the fuck is this? I'm out. Yeah, and
01:23:57.970 --> 01:24:02.430
he runs into the deputy that his ex was having
01:24:02.430 --> 01:24:04.989
an affair with, who had cheated on him with.
01:24:05.130 --> 01:24:09.609
Wait, no, the deputy is the father. Wait. Oh,
01:24:09.609 --> 01:24:11.069
wait. No, no, no, no, no. You're right. You're
01:24:11.069 --> 01:24:13.750
right. No, the deputy. Right, right, right, right,
01:24:13.810 --> 01:24:17.659
right. The deputy is the guy that she was cheating
01:24:17.659 --> 01:24:20.119
on him with. Also, too, some great character
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:23.060
moments because he takes him to the police station.
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:26.800
Takes him to the evidence locker. And the sheriff
01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:30.619
is trying to pressure Devin into still marrying
01:24:30.619 --> 01:24:33.600
his daughter. Because Devin was thinking about
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.539
proposing and he finds out that she was cheating.
01:24:35.779 --> 01:24:38.939
And pregnant. She's pregnant with the guy's baby.
01:24:39.420 --> 01:24:45.109
Yeah. And so the sheriff wants... devin to still
01:24:45.109 --> 01:24:49.050
marry his daughter and raise he needs the family
01:24:49.050 --> 01:24:54.090
connections yeah because devin's family is like
01:24:54.090 --> 01:24:56.970
yeah well connected in the city but we hit this
01:24:56.970 --> 01:25:01.920
like the the the sheriff uh not that the deputy
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:04.979
is like so funny because he's just like this
01:25:04.979 --> 01:25:09.659
meathead guy who's just like yo bro like it's
01:25:09.659 --> 01:25:12.960
all chill dude like we're just like i'm so she
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.000
doesn't like con not even yeah he's just like
01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:18.300
sorry not sorry bro like what are you gonna do
01:25:18.300 --> 01:25:21.119
about it which like he there's like some really
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:23.939
fun like the little side characters in the world
01:25:23.939 --> 01:25:27.619
like again feel like super yeah but obviously
01:25:27.619 --> 01:25:30.140
the sheriff is like a piece of shit they're like
01:25:30.140 --> 01:25:33.180
well if you're not gonna marry my daughter i'm
01:25:33.180 --> 01:25:35.399
gonna get my deputies to beat the shit out of
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:39.479
you there's one kind of good officer that the
01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:42.420
other deputies kind of like tie up right so that
01:25:42.420 --> 01:25:44.579
they can go beat the shit out of the guy yeah
01:25:44.579 --> 01:25:47.159
so that they can beat the shit out of devon and
01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:52.220
devon while he's in the cell he sees keebler
01:25:52.220 --> 01:25:55.060
outside the window keebler pops up covered in
01:25:55.060 --> 01:25:59.140
blood yeah second issue opens with all the furries
01:25:59.140 --> 01:26:03.779
scratch ellie and keebler raiding raiding the
01:26:03.779 --> 01:26:07.000
police station to rescue devon and they just
01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:10.100
fucking demolish everybody like there's some
01:26:10.100 --> 01:26:12.699
fun like violence in this one most of it is just
01:26:12.699 --> 01:26:16.720
implied there's some great little i mean we don't
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:19.159
have dave stewart anymore on colors for this
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:21.720
one so this one just looks like invincible basically
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:25.100
yeah like i mean they do do some like really
01:26:25.100 --> 01:26:26.840
fun because there's a lot more of these like
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:30.760
bright saturated like neons colors in this one
01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:33.779
and they do do some like really cool there are
01:26:33.779 --> 01:26:36.180
some like fun choices with the colors in this
01:26:36.180 --> 01:26:39.520
one. A lot of pinks, oranges, a lot of teals,
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:44.100
and bright greens and yellows. But this one,
01:26:44.220 --> 01:26:49.880
I think... This one's pretty pink overall. Sherbert?
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:53.960
It's kind of sherberty? Yeah, very much so. This
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:59.119
one also, I think, has the most outright gore.
01:26:59.949 --> 01:27:02.949
I would say like, like they're not, it's not
01:27:02.949 --> 01:27:05.130
like coincidental. Like you have like, they're
01:27:05.130 --> 01:27:08.109
cutting out hearts and stuff like that. Like,
01:27:08.109 --> 01:27:10.789
yeah, I guess I did have a lot more of that too,
01:27:10.890 --> 01:27:16.130
but like this one has like gore gore, like, and
01:27:16.130 --> 01:27:18.529
which is, which is really fun. Like juxtaposed
01:27:18.529 --> 01:27:22.529
with these like fursuits. Yeah. So I think to
01:27:22.529 --> 01:27:26.430
get to condense, condense a little bit. I think
01:27:26.430 --> 01:27:30.119
that what's different about this one is, In that
01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:33.180
issue one, he has that conversation with his
01:27:33.180 --> 01:27:35.619
friend. Oh my God, I'm being pressured into marrying
01:27:35.619 --> 01:27:37.279
this woman. She cheated on me. I don't know how
01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.500
I feel. And then at the end of the comic, he
01:27:40.500 --> 01:27:43.539
runs into these serial killer murderers. So the
01:27:43.539 --> 01:27:47.939
real hook that will take you over the next six
01:27:47.939 --> 01:27:51.380
issues isn't about the serial killers. They're
01:27:51.380 --> 01:27:55.039
incidental. They help move things along and they
01:27:55.039 --> 01:28:00.020
actually empower him. The situation that he has
01:28:00.020 --> 01:28:03.500
to get through actually is about breaking up
01:28:03.500 --> 01:28:06.199
with his girlfriend. That's the actual conflict
01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:10.840
of the whole comic. We'll get more into it. They're
01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:15.180
on his side. They are his allies. The conflict
01:28:15.180 --> 01:28:18.619
is all there. There is something thematically,
01:28:18.659 --> 01:28:24.319
too, about kink culture and self -actualization
01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:27.989
and this whole... like obviously it's elevated
01:28:27.989 --> 01:28:30.670
and then we do have like some kind of like supernaturally
01:28:30.670 --> 01:28:33.529
elements later on but there is kind of this metaphor
01:28:33.529 --> 01:28:37.970
of like becoming your own person and like doing
01:28:37.970 --> 01:28:40.149
what you want to do and being who you want to
01:28:40.149 --> 01:28:44.050
be but yeah so they they end up escaping with
01:28:44.050 --> 01:28:48.510
devin they take him to their their mansion that
01:28:48.510 --> 01:28:54.420
is also a old amusement park that was built by
01:28:54.420 --> 01:28:58.840
their father. We get the backstory that all of
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:04.020
them were rescued slash kidnapped by their adoptive
01:29:04.020 --> 01:29:09.899
father and start this family of cannibalistic
01:29:09.899 --> 01:29:17.199
furries. They have this personal what do you
01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:19.680
say it? Mythology or whatever? They have this
01:29:20.870 --> 01:29:22.810
They have this thing where they're respectful
01:29:22.810 --> 01:29:25.289
of the people that they ate. I wrote about it
01:29:25.289 --> 01:29:28.039
later. The idea, it's basically like... like
01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:30.039
in movies where people are like oh we will thank
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:32.260
the buffalo for the meal that we are about to
01:29:32.260 --> 01:29:34.680
receive thank you for your sacrifice that's like
01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:37.680
their attitude towards their victims they only
01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:40.720
eat other furries like as if you know these people
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:42.840
didn't have enough to worry about yeah because
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.500
they have no problem killing anybody yeah yeah
01:29:45.500 --> 01:29:47.000
they don't give a fuck yeah they have no problem
01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:49.899
killing anybody but they only eat certain people
01:29:49.899 --> 01:29:51.920
and there's a funny moment when they're taking
01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:54.840
Devin to to to their mansion and he's like oh
01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:57.100
what like you you don't want to eat me like well
01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.479
He gets all offended because they don't want
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:02.039
to eat him. Yeah, that was funny. But we get
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.539
another little connection, too, to Vinyl when
01:30:04.539 --> 01:30:08.159
we hear Ellie's backstory. I guess she was the
01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:11.359
daughter of Madeline. And Madeline was going
01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:13.939
to kill her because she was a girl and she wanted
01:30:13.939 --> 01:30:17.859
a son. So that is the connection. She has a sunflower
01:30:17.859 --> 01:30:22.380
pendant. Each of them has a little thing. A totem.
01:30:22.380 --> 01:30:27.119
A little totem. Yeah. Scratch. has this, like,
01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:32.899
fucking old... Like, this... Yeah! Yeah! Aztec,
01:30:32.979 --> 01:30:37.319
like... Yeah! I'm not gonna try to say that.
01:30:37.579 --> 01:30:39.659
Yeah. It looks nasty, though. It looks cool as
01:30:39.659 --> 01:30:42.119
fuck. Yeah. And he has this whole... He has,
01:30:42.220 --> 01:30:44.000
like, a hobby for making, like, old weapons.
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:46.460
And then... Scratch is my favorite character
01:30:46.460 --> 01:30:48.399
in this one. No doubt. Oh, yeah, for sure. There's
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:50.939
this whole bit about where he looks like... He's
01:30:50.939 --> 01:30:54.939
like a goat man. Like a realistic goat man. And...
01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:59.159
he he's his name is scratch and devin keeps saying
01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:02.159
like art like is this not a devil reference like
01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:04.939
and he just like does not see it like goes over
01:31:04.939 --> 01:31:08.220
his head no i'm scratchy yeah yeah like it's
01:31:08.220 --> 01:31:11.060
it's so fun it's just one of those like fun little
01:31:11.060 --> 01:31:12.920
things where it's like you don't have to do that
01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:15.439
but it makes it more fun when you're just you
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.500
know like when you're just everybody has like
01:31:17.500 --> 01:31:20.760
a little fun thing we also get the information
01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:23.859
that Keebler is a dude underneath that and he's
01:31:23.859 --> 01:31:26.880
like exploring their sexuality uh yeah yeah and
01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:30.000
it's really fun and this this mansion that they
01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.750
live at The backstory is their father had built
01:31:32.750 --> 01:31:36.229
this amusement park to court Madeline. And she
01:31:36.229 --> 01:31:38.930
turned him down. And that's when he took Ellie.
01:31:39.130 --> 01:31:41.970
Yeah. And like this was all for like this. And
01:31:41.970 --> 01:31:44.449
like that's how they're kind of connected. Wait,
01:31:44.510 --> 01:31:47.970
we do have to say the reason that he is invited
01:31:47.970 --> 01:31:50.930
is because he locked eyes with Ellie in the alley.
01:31:51.109 --> 01:31:54.850
And their weird thing about like eating people
01:31:54.850 --> 01:31:57.289
or not eating people. It's like, oh, they have
01:31:57.289 --> 01:31:58.989
chemistry. So we're going to save him. We're
01:31:58.989 --> 01:32:01.529
going to risk our lives. to like pull him into
01:32:01.529 --> 01:32:04.449
our group. So he's resistant to it at first.
01:32:04.489 --> 01:32:06.229
And then as time goes on, he's like, oh my God,
01:32:06.289 --> 01:32:09.270
I really did have this connection with you. But
01:32:09.270 --> 01:32:11.930
even without that, they really are a surrogate
01:32:11.930 --> 01:32:14.850
to make him stand up for himself. When he gets
01:32:14.850 --> 01:32:17.550
kidnapped by them, he leaves a note in the ground
01:32:17.550 --> 01:32:19.529
that's like, fuck you and your cheating daughter.
01:32:19.770 --> 01:32:22.050
So it's like they're making him more confident.
01:32:22.069 --> 01:32:24.029
He's standing up for himself. And he does have
01:32:24.029 --> 01:32:26.609
a little crisis of faith where he's like, oh,
01:32:26.689 --> 01:32:29.050
like after he cares about like Ellie and the
01:32:29.050 --> 01:32:30.909
furries, he's like, well, I don't want them to
01:32:30.909 --> 01:32:33.250
get fucking murdered. So he like tries to turn
01:32:33.250 --> 01:32:35.390
himself in, but they're like, oh, fuck you. Like
01:32:35.390 --> 01:32:37.850
you just killed a bunch of my men. So I'm going
01:32:37.850 --> 01:32:40.850
to. take you and kill them anyways yeah Devin
01:32:40.850 --> 01:32:43.649
ends up escaping and they have their the big
01:32:43.649 --> 01:32:47.350
standoff at the mansion so at first this is something
01:32:47.350 --> 01:32:49.229
I want to like talk about because like I don't
01:32:49.229 --> 01:32:52.350
know what was your read on this they go in and
01:32:52.350 --> 01:32:55.430
they kill everybody like they kill all the furries
01:32:55.430 --> 01:32:59.390
they shoot Keebler they put arrows in three arrows
01:32:59.390 --> 01:33:02.869
in the body one in the head of scratch and they
01:33:02.869 --> 01:33:06.510
fucking shoot Ellie too but then they all come
01:33:06.510 --> 01:33:10.380
back like they all come back yeah there's that
01:33:10.380 --> 01:33:13.500
thing earlier no go ahead go ahead yeah no like
01:33:13.500 --> 01:33:17.079
yeah so like there's this whole like supernatural
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:20.220
element to where it's like oh like actually they
01:33:20.220 --> 01:33:22.880
do get some kind of powers from eating people
01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:25.779
and they're like somewhat immortal i would guess
01:33:25.779 --> 01:33:28.420
in their in their self mythology you get stronger
01:33:28.420 --> 01:33:33.020
by eating people and the the shot to the chest
01:33:33.659 --> 01:33:37.279
is unexplained outside of that bit of information
01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:40.479
so that's as good as i could imagine maybe something
01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:43.380
to do with like um these uh totems or whatever
01:33:43.380 --> 01:33:45.720
they have i'm i'm not sure also they're wearing
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:47.659
suits like you could say i think it's purposely
01:33:47.659 --> 01:33:50.920
ambiguous yeah because also serial killers are
01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:53.840
also just like supermen like something about
01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:56.140
being a serial killer like this guy picks up
01:33:56.140 --> 01:33:59.479
a stop sign in this world yeah buzzsaw on it
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:02.479
and fucking split someone in half like Humans
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:05.659
are squishy and killers are strong as fuck. And
01:34:05.659 --> 01:34:08.319
like when Devin finally pulls back up to kind
01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:10.939
of like back everybody up. after they've been
01:34:10.939 --> 01:34:13.000
like quote unquote killed like do you think that
01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:15.439
they're killed he puts on he finds a unicorn
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:20.260
furry it's his soul yeah that's his his thing
01:34:20.260 --> 01:34:22.960
and his totem is this like wedding ring right
01:34:22.960 --> 01:34:26.100
that he was gonna propose to his ex with there's
01:34:26.100 --> 01:34:28.800
a funny moment too where scratch has been like
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.319
making weapons and stuff and he makes this like
01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:36.619
glowing red like pentagram thing And it's so
01:34:36.619 --> 01:34:39.479
unexplained. He's just like, oh, this is super
01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:41.859
cool. And then he finally has a moment of realization
01:34:41.859 --> 01:34:44.920
when he's killing everybody that, oh, shit, I
01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:49.439
see it now. I get it. Their costumes are tweaked,
01:34:49.439 --> 01:34:51.779
especially the girls, that there's murder weapons
01:34:51.779 --> 01:34:54.640
attached to it. The girl has blades in her tail,
01:34:54.819 --> 01:34:57.260
and they use it a couple times. It's pretty cool.
01:34:57.439 --> 01:35:02.109
The furry head is also... a big giant bear trap
01:35:02.109 --> 01:35:04.909
and she'll just like collapse it on people it
01:35:04.909 --> 01:35:07.229
looks pretty nice That's one thing, too, I like
01:35:07.229 --> 01:35:09.409
about this one, which is really fun, is, like,
01:35:09.409 --> 01:35:11.670
kills are a little bit more, like, creative because,
01:35:11.829 --> 01:35:13.550
like, they have these, like, different, they're
01:35:13.550 --> 01:35:16.310
using their fursuits, they have these, like,
01:35:16.350 --> 01:35:19.989
fun, like, cool weapons. I do love the panel
01:35:19.989 --> 01:35:23.930
where Ellie, like, slices the deputy in half,
01:35:24.109 --> 01:35:26.529
like, with her tail, and you just see it, like,
01:35:26.649 --> 01:35:29.710
you hear the, again, awesome fucking Dukeshire
01:35:29.710 --> 01:35:33.470
sound effect. The kissy face. Remember the kissy
01:35:33.470 --> 01:35:36.920
face? oh yeah kiebler like kiebler's got these
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:39.380
weird big fucking lips and she just holds someone's
01:35:39.380 --> 01:35:42.739
head up to the kissy face and they just die they
01:35:42.739 --> 01:35:47.449
just die i don't know what happened we also get
01:35:47.449 --> 01:35:49.529
a moment too where we find like their father
01:35:49.529 --> 01:35:53.590
is like underground and he's just like dead like
01:35:53.590 --> 01:35:55.869
he's like just like a fucking zombie like and
01:35:55.869 --> 01:35:58.229
he's just been there dead for like a really long
01:35:58.229 --> 01:35:59.729
time and he's just sitting there with like a
01:35:59.729 --> 01:36:02.029
bunch of old fursuits which we don't like we
01:36:02.029 --> 01:36:04.350
don't get any more information on but like it
01:36:04.350 --> 01:36:06.729
feels appropriate and it doesn't feel yeah sure
01:36:07.390 --> 01:36:08.829
you know what i mean it's kind of like it's like
01:36:08.829 --> 01:36:12.449
this psycho thing it just adds yeah exactly yeah
01:36:12.449 --> 01:36:16.909
yeah the final kill is devin using the unicorn
01:36:16.909 --> 01:36:21.149
horn up the fucking head of the sheriff which
01:36:21.149 --> 01:36:24.970
is like a which is a cool panel something about
01:36:24.970 --> 01:36:29.149
kink violence and love has given him the strength
01:36:29.149 --> 01:36:32.390
to stand up for himself finally and the way he
01:36:32.390 --> 01:36:36.180
stands up for himself is by murdering The person
01:36:36.180 --> 01:36:39.520
who stood in his way is kind of the climax. And
01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:42.060
then he decides to join the furries and kind
01:36:42.060 --> 01:36:44.680
of go off. They're on the road. Yeah, he ends
01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:47.140
up going back home and recruiting his homie.
01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:51.479
Because this all happened over one night. And
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.000
so he goes back home the next morning, and he's
01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.539
just like, hey, brother, you want to come with
01:36:55.539 --> 01:36:59.000
us? His homie's trying to fuck Keebler. His homie
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:01.329
might get ate. It's kind of the last panel on
01:37:01.329 --> 01:37:03.590
that one. Yeah, because Scratch is like, oh,
01:37:03.630 --> 01:37:06.170
by any chance, are you a vegetarian? He only
01:37:06.170 --> 01:37:08.149
wants to eat vegetarians. Yeah. But yeah, this
01:37:08.149 --> 01:37:10.630
one, this is also really fun. Like, I like this
01:37:10.630 --> 01:37:12.350
one a lot, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah,
01:37:12.489 --> 01:37:16.449
this thing is like, even, this is maybe my least
01:37:16.449 --> 01:37:20.029
favorite, but... out of the three but it's just
01:37:20.029 --> 01:37:22.229
it's still really it's still good like i still
01:37:22.229 --> 01:37:24.050
really like it and i still think it has like
01:37:24.050 --> 01:37:26.109
a lot of like good things going for it i love
01:37:26.109 --> 01:37:29.029
like the designs are fun like it's that it's
01:37:29.029 --> 01:37:31.590
that like oh guess this pokemon thing you know
01:37:31.590 --> 01:37:33.350
where it's like the silhouettes like i could
01:37:33.350 --> 01:37:35.989
point them out anywhere now like if i see these
01:37:35.989 --> 01:37:38.630
shapes like i could see them like hilliard has
01:37:38.630 --> 01:37:42.850
like a great eye for um like character design
01:37:42.850 --> 01:37:45.930
i think that comes through in in in all of his
01:37:45.930 --> 01:37:48.229
work everybody's like even if there's a little
01:37:48.229 --> 01:37:51.829
bit same faciness sometimes like they have everything
01:37:51.829 --> 01:37:56.590
else about them is is very like iconic yeah no
01:37:56.590 --> 01:37:58.789
and they're still putting stuff out i'll be able
01:37:58.789 --> 01:38:00.989
to pick their stuff out for a while though what
01:38:00.989 --> 01:38:03.689
i'll say about plush is that i like i like i
01:38:03.689 --> 01:38:06.369
like a hero that is like you know just like a
01:38:06.369 --> 01:38:08.390
very traditional like goes on their arc thing
01:38:08.390 --> 01:38:12.170
with the first two It's more of a vibe movie.
01:38:12.390 --> 01:38:14.130
You know what I mean? It's like they're already
01:38:14.130 --> 01:38:16.689
cool. They're already on top of their game. They're
01:38:16.689 --> 01:38:19.310
already like got their lives figured out. They
01:38:19.310 --> 01:38:21.449
don't really go through like an arc. They just
01:38:21.449 --> 01:38:24.710
solve the problem. Like the third one, it's more
01:38:24.710 --> 01:38:27.930
like learning to stand up for yourself. and i
01:38:27.930 --> 01:38:30.630
you know i always like that with plastic and
01:38:30.630 --> 01:38:33.750
vinyl we're also like meeting our main characters
01:38:33.750 --> 01:38:37.430
at the end of their story yeah whereas for plush
01:38:37.430 --> 01:38:40.630
it ends with him picking up the ring and being
01:38:40.630 --> 01:38:43.340
like oh maybe a new beginning kind of a thing
01:38:43.340 --> 01:38:45.680
so this is kind of like his origin story and
01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:47.819
i could see this going somewhere oh for sure
01:38:47.819 --> 01:38:50.779
too i think like the characters are fun and like
01:38:50.779 --> 01:38:54.020
it's it's cool i'm i'm surprised honestly that
01:38:54.020 --> 01:38:56.220
they haven't revisited this yet but we'll see
01:38:56.220 --> 01:38:58.439
because well they're going in order right death
01:38:58.439 --> 01:39:01.520
and dolls yeah or one two three plastic death
01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:05.539
and dolls was really fun i like the the um that
01:39:05.539 --> 01:39:09.079
came out this year along with or last year that
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:12.279
and i was a fashion school serial killer to death
01:39:12.279 --> 01:39:15.000
and dolls prequel following edwin and his origin
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:18.039
story and then i was a fashion school serial
01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:22.039
killer following renny after the events of final
01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:24.640
which i mean we don't we're not gonna do like
01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:27.390
full breakdowns of them yeah if you if you like
01:39:27.390 --> 01:39:28.970
this you'll like that if you're interested to
01:39:28.970 --> 01:39:31.050
see these characters a little bit more i was
01:39:31.050 --> 01:39:33.149
a fashion school serial killer is a little bit
01:39:33.149 --> 01:39:37.130
of a departure from these ones because it's more
01:39:37.130 --> 01:39:40.029
i feel like it's more dextery in a sense where
01:39:40.029 --> 01:39:42.590
you're following renny in her like daily life
01:39:42.590 --> 01:39:45.810
and then she has a secret extra life of being
01:39:45.810 --> 01:39:49.229
kind of a vigilante murderer just for for petty
01:39:49.229 --> 01:39:52.630
annoyance there's like a school element to it
01:39:52.630 --> 01:39:55.720
which It didn't exactly hit for me, but there
01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:58.079
were a lot of fun stuff, and it was worth reading
01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:01.760
just for more Renny. Yeah, more of that. Also,
01:40:01.939 --> 01:40:07.380
there was never the main cover, but those alt
01:40:07.380 --> 01:40:11.279
covers. Oh, my God. Yeah, I got it. The alt covers
01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:16.039
for all of these are so great. Goddamn. Goddamn.
01:40:16.739 --> 01:40:19.920
Yeah, talk about general impressions. What do
01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:22.399
you think? All three combined universe. As a
01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:24.479
whole, I really like it. I think it's really
01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:30.439
fun. And it feels very character -based, too.
01:40:30.619 --> 01:40:33.119
It's not just like, oh, here's a premise. These
01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:35.140
are the people that live in it. It's like, oh,
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:39.119
these are the characters. And then we're kind
01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:43.060
of inferring what the world is around them based
01:40:43.060 --> 01:40:45.779
on them specifically. And I like that these are
01:40:45.779 --> 01:40:49.140
all kind of self -contained, but they have...
01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:53.319
like connections to each other they feel like
01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:55.859
they can exist in the same world there's a consistency
01:40:55.859 --> 01:41:00.159
to it and it's really they're all like really
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:03.079
fun like in general they're fun they're funny
01:41:03.079 --> 01:41:07.920
they're weird and like the action the art and
01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:10.880
the writing is really tight and fucking cool
01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:13.819
to look at and to read i think it's just good
01:41:13.819 --> 01:41:20.560
comic i'm i'm yeah Yeah, good comic book writing.
01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:26.600
Good comic book. Just good comic book. Hell yeah.
01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:30.579
I think there would be like, there's a million
01:41:30.579 --> 01:41:34.260
ways to rip this off poorly. I think it probably
01:41:34.260 --> 01:41:36.960
looks easier than it really is. Like the guy
01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:44.010
is, like we said before. very very smart about
01:41:44.010 --> 01:41:47.069
using or the guys very very smart about using
01:41:47.069 --> 01:41:51.390
the medium to make these awesome action sequences
01:41:51.390 --> 01:41:57.189
just on a plot character relationship focus note
01:41:57.189 --> 01:42:00.689
I think that's like that's what gives these comics
01:42:00.689 --> 01:42:04.270
so much energy they have a ton of energy I'm
01:42:04.270 --> 01:42:07.909
never bored reading any of them with the spinoffs
01:42:07.909 --> 01:42:09.729
a little bit and I've read some of his other
01:42:09.729 --> 01:42:12.420
stuff and I didn't like it so much but With these
01:42:12.420 --> 01:42:16.760
three things. It's a super fun ride. Yeah, and
01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:19.880
I hope he can, like, if he wants to keep putting
01:42:19.880 --> 01:42:22.420
these out, I hope they can keep the quality up
01:42:22.420 --> 01:42:23.880
and we get more of these stories for sure. And
01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:30.109
I do love a good, like, artist -writer duo. Like,
01:42:30.130 --> 01:42:32.489
I think that's, that's fun when, like, you, because
01:42:32.489 --> 01:42:34.489
you hear a lot of, like, interviews with, like,
01:42:34.489 --> 01:42:36.109
writers and artists talking about, like, how
01:42:36.109 --> 01:42:38.630
that's, like, that's one of those things, especially
01:42:38.630 --> 01:42:41.170
in a medium like comic books where you find,
01:42:41.250 --> 01:42:43.869
you find, like, a crew that you like working
01:42:43.869 --> 01:42:46.210
with. Like, I could tell, like, they love working
01:42:46.210 --> 01:42:49.829
with their letterer, you know, get Dave Stewart
01:42:49.829 --> 01:42:53.750
when you can, but, like, when you have, even
01:42:53.750 --> 01:42:58.720
in plush and plastic, like. the the colors the
01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:03.699
colors are awesome um yeah i think they're they're
01:43:03.699 --> 01:43:07.539
all like really cool like fun stories and i think
01:43:07.539 --> 01:43:10.180
that them working together it's one of those
01:43:10.180 --> 01:43:13.489
things where like i could see it being like one
01:43:13.489 --> 01:43:16.489
of those like brew baker phillips or like you
01:43:16.489 --> 01:43:18.810
know even like morrison quietly you know like
01:43:18.810 --> 01:43:21.010
those things where like you when you hear those
01:43:21.010 --> 01:43:23.310
names together you're like okay this is gonna
01:43:23.310 --> 01:43:25.989
be some some quality stuff or like something
01:43:25.989 --> 01:43:30.640
that i'm gonna check out for sure and they're
01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:33.239
just i mean they're like you know in in in terms
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:35.520
of a career like i i feel like they they're they're
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:37.739
hitting their stride you know like um they've
01:43:37.739 --> 01:43:39.680
been around together for a long time it's been
01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:42.319
like five years i'm i don't know how a comic
01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:44.560
book uh duo like i don't know the shelf life
01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:46.720
on that but it feels like we'll get more out
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:49.119
of them i hope yeah yeah definitely and i could
01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:51.739
see these things working too i mean all like
01:43:51.739 --> 01:43:54.859
we're in the era of like so much of this like
01:43:56.399 --> 01:44:03.220
comic books as like proof of concept and light
01:44:03.220 --> 01:44:07.260
pitches for like shows and movies and things
01:44:07.260 --> 01:44:10.720
and this doesn't oh shit this doesn't feel like
01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:13.060
like intentional in that way it doesn't feel
01:44:13.060 --> 01:44:15.899
like some of the things like milliverse where
01:44:15.899 --> 01:44:17.920
it's just like oh we're just making a comic so
01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:22.000
that we can turn this into a movie but i could
01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:24.399
see this working very well as like an adult animation
01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:27.140
something along the lines of like invincible
01:44:27.140 --> 01:44:29.399
a hundred percent like that and just like kind
01:44:29.399 --> 01:44:32.000
of living in this world because it's fun and
01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:35.560
like the characters are endearing and interesting
01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:39.720
and like they're just they're just fun to spend
01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:45.100
time with which is which is cool yeah all right
01:44:45.100 --> 01:44:48.180
final recommendations if you liked this ethan
01:44:48.180 --> 01:44:50.960
what would people also um if you like the serial
01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:53.739
killer thing i mean there's some great serial
01:44:53.739 --> 01:44:56.560
killer comics out there i haven't read nail biter
01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:59.180
you have right i've heard good things about nail
01:44:59.180 --> 01:45:02.760
bite oh hell yeah oh my god that's a whole other
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:06.180
universe too if you fucking like nail biter we'll
01:45:06.180 --> 01:45:08.000
talk about that we could talk about connections
01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:11.920
about that another time but yes uh full full
01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:14.180
-throated but maybe more self -contained serial
01:45:14.180 --> 01:45:18.060
killer stuff uh you got from hell alan moore
01:45:18.060 --> 01:45:21.960
awesome the jack the ripper thing predates kind
01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:24.819
of the serial killer hype a little bit especially
01:45:24.819 --> 01:45:32.180
in comics um also straight toasters fun wacky
01:45:32.180 --> 01:45:37.930
with a serial killer angle and also oh recently
01:45:37.930 --> 01:45:40.670
behind uh beneath the trees where nobody sees
01:45:40.670 --> 01:45:45.689
another like really fun like it's kind of the
01:45:45.689 --> 01:45:48.850
opposite of this where like the world is something
01:45:48.850 --> 01:45:51.130
weird like though because they're all animals
01:45:51.130 --> 01:45:55.470
kind of dark and grim yeah but like it's very
01:45:55.470 --> 01:45:58.489
grounded in like real life like consequences
01:45:58.489 --> 01:46:01.369
and like the killing and stuff like that yeah
01:46:01.369 --> 01:46:03.529
i think it's really fun yeah that one's cool
01:46:03.529 --> 01:46:07.300
yeah um the the people's victims have families
01:46:07.300 --> 01:46:09.840
i think is the big difference between the two
01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:12.399
yeah yeah but yeah overall there's something
01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:15.260
like those those are those are some fun ones
01:46:15.260 --> 01:46:18.079
if you like the art in this i do also recommend
01:46:18.079 --> 01:46:23.819
some maybe oddly stuff like his like invincible
01:46:23.819 --> 01:46:27.460
is great um i think he's back on battle beast
01:46:27.460 --> 01:46:32.300
um The spin -off. Yeah, I saw that. Also, his
01:46:32.300 --> 01:46:35.899
Spider -Man run was pretty cool for some good
01:46:35.899 --> 01:46:40.979
Spider -Man stuff. With Nick Spencer, the art
01:46:40.979 --> 01:46:46.340
is really fun. I do like that. His Spider -Man
01:46:46.340 --> 01:46:52.119
quite a bit. What about you? Anything that you've
01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:56.779
read from either Wagner or Hilliard or both that
01:46:56.779 --> 01:47:00.189
you think would be good? jumping off point as
01:47:00.189 --> 01:47:04.850
always my recommendation will come from um the
01:47:04.850 --> 01:47:07.029
wider body of work that i could get my hands
01:47:07.029 --> 01:47:13.329
on um if you like um the banter and like the
01:47:13.329 --> 01:47:17.550
fun violence without even some of the even as
01:47:17.550 --> 01:47:20.590
much as the morality as this one gets into uh
01:47:20.590 --> 01:47:23.630
beware the eye of odin that's uh that's doug
01:47:23.630 --> 01:47:29.159
wagner um D &D -ish, but with a lot of Nordic
01:47:29.159 --> 01:47:36.039
mythology influences. Just fun, romp, kind of
01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:37.840
similar where everyone's a little bit goofy,
01:47:37.939 --> 01:47:39.739
everyone's over the top, but they're out killing
01:47:39.739 --> 01:47:43.479
fucking snow trolls. If you like it more grounded
01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:48.100
and you like the crime element of things, 25
01:47:48.100 --> 01:47:52.460
to Life, he did that in 2010. Nope. Don't read
01:47:52.460 --> 01:47:54.800
that one. That's not what I meant. Don't read
01:47:54.800 --> 01:47:57.819
25 to Life. I do not recommend that one. The
01:47:57.819 --> 01:48:01.619
Hard Place, 2017. That's kind of like a baby
01:48:01.619 --> 01:48:04.279
driver type setup. This guy gets out of jail
01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:07.659
after being a getaway driver, tries to get a
01:48:07.659 --> 01:48:09.560
bank loan, and then everyone's like, oh shit,
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:15.420
it's DJ. Get him in the car. He's like, no. It's
01:48:15.420 --> 01:48:18.199
pretty good. I like that one. Very tight as well,
01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:20.520
honestly. Very movie -esque. I like that one
01:48:20.520 --> 01:48:23.899
a lot. uh yeah those would be my two top recs
01:48:23.899 --> 01:48:28.739
from doug very cool um but yeah like in general
01:48:28.739 --> 01:48:31.140
like i think these this was like a really fun
01:48:31.140 --> 01:48:35.960
like read and i think these guys they they still
01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:39.930
got a lot of road ahead of them i feel like as
01:48:39.930 --> 01:48:42.850
like a creative duo and like you were saying
01:48:42.850 --> 01:48:44.470
they're just kind of like hitting their stride
01:48:44.470 --> 01:48:47.310
and i am kind of excited to see them expand this
01:48:47.310 --> 01:48:50.869
world a little bit more and like get a little
01:48:50.869 --> 01:48:53.869
bit more from them i would love to like revisit
01:48:53.869 --> 01:48:56.850
these characters some more and some other things
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backstory on the trash man everybody's begging
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for it i loved him so many little things but
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yeah Super fun to read. Do you have a send -off
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for us? Yes. This has been another episode of
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Tales from the Gutters. This has been... This
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has been another episode of Tales from the Gutters.
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Until next time, stay material, girls. Love it.