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Welcome to another episode of Splash Considerations.
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My name is Justice Delosanto, San Francisco Giants B reporter for the Bay Area News Group, San Jose Mercury News, East Bay Times, whatever you want to call us, as long as you read, as long as you subscribe.
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I have the Uncrustable that I also opened right next to me as well.
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We are fresh off the plane.
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I don't even know how many hours I haven't eaten in.
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Jordan, how are we doing?
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Oh, so good to see you, my friend.
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Thank you for having me on.
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Lot to get to.
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Lot to discuss about these 2026 San Francisco Giants.
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We have so much to get to, Jordan.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest.
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So I texted you beforehand and I said it'd be really fun to go back and listen to what we said before hopping on this pod and react to it.
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Jordan, I'm gonna be honest, I I I didn't do it.
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Hey, you're hoping that you would.
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I listened to the whole thing.
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I had to do it.
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I did it while while I was in Detroit, I was covering the Dodgers and Tigers over the weekend.
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And not during Scoobyl, but on Saturday during Blake Snell just walking a bunch and striking a bunch of people out.
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I was I was listening back to our I mean it was even before spring training had even started because I I go down there.
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It was the day before that Tony did the when did you think I was coming to it was like literally the day before.
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And quick note on Scoobyl, because Scooby made headline quote unquote headlines for uh taking back the espresso machine.
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And I did see a lot of Giants fans saying that uh when Tyler Rogers got traded to the Mets, he left the beer fridge there as kind of a little token of appreciation.
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So just that that is not the that is not what we're gonna be talking about.
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Uh I just thought that that would be a fun note.
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Also, I'm gonna mention this real quick.
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It's currently Monday.
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The Giants are playing the Braves right now in Atlanta.
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They are making up the postponed game from June.
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They're currently leading six to three.
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We're gonna kind of like also live pod this well.
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So if they win, it's technically a sweep.
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Um, which they have one sweep under their technically technically absolutely does not count.
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Not their fault, not their fault that it doesn't count.
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I will not as someone who tracks sweeps vigorously, and I've and even the two game sweeps.
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We got some sweep talk talked about.
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Even the two game sweeps.
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Um oh that reminds me I totally botched it.
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I was gonna prepare some, or maybe we did this.
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Did we do this in spring training?
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I was gonna prepare some um Tennessee sweep history uh to talk about how many, and this would be just good for you to do or for anybody to do, um, which is like how many sweeps did Tony have at Tennessee over the last six years, because it's a whole lot more than zero, but it's also just like a large number relative to you know the.
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I imagine it'd be a pretty large number, especially given you know that they won the natty and they won as many.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So anyway, sweep.
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The point is they're making up this game.
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We are watching right now, it's the top of the ninth.
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And as we know, uh Justice, the ninth inning has been mailed, lockdown, no problems.
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It's kind of a I don't even think it joke isn't the right word, but I do think that without exaggeration, like quite literally every podcast since this launch has mentioned the bullpen in some way, shape, or form, and not for good reasons.
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But we we uh you have a point to make, please go ahead.
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Well, I was just gonna say, just going back to the fact, like, what did we just to kind of close the loop on what did we talk about?
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Um so Will Brennan, obviously, I know that sounds like a joke.
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But first baseman with Sacramento.
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Oh, geez, I didn't even know that.
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That's so bleak.
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Uh, I broke the news that Will Brennan signed with the Giants just because I was the only person in the clubhouse that recognized him.
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So we joked about that.
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We talked a lot about Tony V.
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We talked a lot about Devers and Arise and like the different pieces offensively.
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And then at the end of the pod, I was basically like, you know, we just spent 40 minutes talking about all these things.
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Really, this team's success is gonna have a lot more to do with the pitching, but we just didn't talk about it.
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Uh we just did that.
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We just got so like we acknowledge that like that we were both much more like, what's going on with the pitching?
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And that has, of course, proven quite uh true and we validate in that respect respect.
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But now we can make up for lost time by talking about their nine-thinning issues, which we are literally going to witness live here in a few minutes.
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This might make for some really great content, depending on what happens over the next uh 10 or so minutes.
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And currently warming up is Dylan Smith, who's someone I know uh you want to talk about.
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And so I obviously, if you are listening to this podcast, you know what happened with the Giants on Thursday, a collapse of historic proportion.
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But before we get there, we are gonna get there.
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I think we gotta start with one of the most bizarre well, I don't even want to say that as somebody that has covered some really weird ejections.
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Um, a very bizarre three-day stretch and an even more bizarre, like 18 hour stretch for the San Francisco Giants.
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And again, there is there is just so this might be the most jam-packed episode we're gonna have because there was just a crazy amount.
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Like there was like literally a week ago, they had a roster, like a wave of roster moves.
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It was 10 people.
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It was just the most bizarre thing I've seen.
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It's been a lot happening.
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I'll like we've got you know like multiple injuries to talk about.
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It's just a lot happening, Jordan.
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But I do want to start with kind of the ejections because I think that this is a really good way to get into Tony's very broad subject here.
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So we're gonna go through these one by one.
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Feel free to stop me whenever, but I do think that you know some context is needed because both of well, three of these ejections, they are different in all different ways.
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So we obviously know that when Tony was at Tennessee, he was known for his fire, passion, intensity, and we haven't really seen that a ton in the majors.
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Like we've seen it in spurts, it's only been in spurts.
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And going into this past weekend, he had been ejected three times over 132 games, which you know, major league manager nowadays, that's pretty standard fair.
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You're not getting tossed every single week left and right, but this past week was fascinating.
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Uh not just for the fact that he got ejected twice, and Ron Motus got ejected as well, we'll get into that in a second, but the ways in which it happened and kind of these broad questions about how Major League Umpires evaluate or maybe treat Tony, so to speak.
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So before getting to the specifics, just your thoughts generally speaking about how maybe how do you think umpires have been treating Tony Vitello?
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Because if we go back to May, there there have been it's it's very clear there's been illusions to his college days, and uh you know some umpires haven't been uh unwilling to tap into that.
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It feels like there maybe was almost now part of it was that Tony did seem to be very purposefully toning it down from a fiery standpoint in the early going before the season totally went off the rails.
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And I almost wonder if there was a reciprocation of that from the offensive from the umpires perspective, as we have some insurance runs courtesy of Jonah Cox.
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Uh yeah.
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He did go yeah.
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That is his fourth of the year.
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This is gonna be just a very weird podcast, but we we can obviously talk about Jonah Cox for 20 minutes.
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But anyhow.
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I so sorry, I know we're both gonna be distracted.
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Um, I wonder if it was kind of reciprocated by the umps, at least in the early going, of like the umpires being like, yeah, everyone's gonna assume that we are going to start throwing Tony out left and right, and we're gonna treat him like he's, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Although it did feel like over the course of a long season, as the season started to spiral, as the Giants were continuing to make mistakes and having bullpen meltdown after bullpen meltdown, it was just natural that at some point a guy with Tony Vitel's personality was gonna get pretty irked.
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And I think anything that builds up to ejections like this, there's so much that builds up to ejections, relationships between um that we don't know about, you know.
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Oftentimes we'll see we assume with whether it's John Boy breakdowns, it's like, oh, well, this is why this happened.
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It's like a lot of the time, not that those can't be entertaining and oftentimes accurate, there are so many umpire manager interactions that are happening all the time that we don't know about.
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And so it's quite possible that whether it was Alan Porter or um I can't remember who it was in the game.
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Yes.
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No, no, no, no.
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Um that that was during the that was McKay was also during the the Porter ejection, but anyhow.
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Sure.
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I can't remember who it was for uh the Red's one, but it's possible that there's stuff that was building up that we didn't necessarily see.
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It's also possible that whether you could just say Tony had a bad day, we could say the umpire had a bad day.
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I don't know.
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When you get a string of them over consecutive times, it makes it feel like, oh, this is a thing that's happening.
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But it wouldn't surprise me if uh over the course of the season we do end up, we did end up at a place, we should just say, because now here we are, uh, where where this happened.
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Now the I did not to to be honest, I did not follow the ones more recently that closely.
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The Reds one.
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I mean, the one at the beginning of the Reds game and then how that whole game went.
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Like that was last Wednesday, like that was its own thing.
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But um, yeah, the other ones I can't speak to as closely.
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Obviously, I saw the Lotus one, but uh I think it's possible that you know that the relationship between Tony and some umps has like started to deteriorate, but uh at the same time, it's also doesn't really make him that different.
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Like there's some umps and managers that just have beef, even if they've been managers for years.
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So it's just kind of humans being humans, and it's not surprising that Tony Vitello, of all people, kind of ended up in some some stuff at some point.
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Yeah, it's very fascinating how both of these ejections were very odd in like their own way.
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So let's get into the ejections.
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I'll I'll run you through the details of the second one.
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But the first one, that was that was like the kind of quintessential like Vitello experience that a lot of Giants fans, including and even reporters like myself, thought we were gonna consistently get.
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So it's it's the top of the first.
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I want to make this point clear.
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This is the f this one happens in the first inning.
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We don't even finish the top of the first inning.
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So I think it's runners on second and third, Aujanio Suarez is up, and Eugenio Suarez will play another role in this podcast uh soon enough.
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But uh he has a Czech swing, they appeal to first base, not ruled as a swing, and uh Tony was not very happy, and a kind of fun side note in all this is that uh Logan Webb himself said after the game he didn't think Suarez swung.
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So he's like, Oh yeah, I didn't even think he swung, but you know, I appreciate my manager.
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And Tony gets very hot, very fast, and at a very important point as Dylan Smith uh on for the ninth inning to protect now, what is a four-run lead.
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Uh, an important point in all this is that Thursday's crowd was the smallest at a Giants game this entire season, and so the hot mics were absolutely ablaze.
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And the NBC Sports broadcast did a pretty good job of toning it down.
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The Reds broadcast did not.
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If you you can go look it up, like it is you can hear everything, and he that is like F-bombs left and right.
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It the it kind of cuts off where like he goes towards third base, too.
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Like, he he didn't go straight to the dugout, he made like a little lap around.
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Um, but he gets tossed in the first inning, and the Giants were again, they were three outs away from uh completing their first three-game sweep of the year.
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Did not happen.
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And now they're still searching for their first uh three-game sweep.
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So that's the objection number one.
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Do you want me keep going or should I do you want you want to stop right here?
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No.
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Well, I mean, uh well the Wotus one was was pretty funny.
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I mean Okay, let's let's let's keep going.
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Let's get to the Yeah, do the do that one.
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So the Wotus one requires getting to the second one first.
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Because the second one has like a lot more layers to it.
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It's not just a check swing, there's kind of a lot of stuff going on here.
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So this kind of starts when home played umpire Alan Porter uh misses it's the top of the third inning on Friday.
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He misses what would have been a call strike through to Lars Newbar.
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Pitches called a ball, Newt Bar doubles, next batter homers, and then you have the Noel Naranado fair foul ball.
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It was called fair.
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It's one of those balls, it was a grounder that like bounces over the bag, lands in foul territory, so it's a judgment call.
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Did it land fair?
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Did it land foul?
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Like it's it clearly bounces in foul territory, but it's for the umpire, it's like did where did it cross over the bag?
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The Giants clearly disagreed, and then the next batter also homered.
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So two arguable borderline misscalls result in two homers coming after it, and then it's a fiver inning in Blade Tidwell's line uh looks really bad.
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So it's actually Logan Webb, who is so this is four ejections, not just three.
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So Logan Webb was the one who was chirping, like he was mad because you know he wants to stand up for his young starting pitcher who's trying to establish himself.
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And because Logan gets mad, Tony also decides he has to get mad too.
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So Logan gets tossed, and Tony says that he got ejected.
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According to this is according to him, he got ejected because Porter said he did not come out to argue, like that he was yelling from the dugout, and Porter was.
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He was supposed to come out.
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Yeah, he's supposed he Porter wanted him to come out, and then again, Porter allegedly, according to Vitello, uh was mad that he didn't do it right away, that it happened in between innings.
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So that it was kind of weird uh in that regard, all the way around.
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And you know, Tony he he can talk.
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I think we both know this, but uh after the game, and also side note runners are now on first and second.
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Uh the tying run is now uh on deck.
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Um I'm not trying to laugh like this is just uh this is what an experience is.
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Hey, hey, well, surely, surely Dylan Smith, who again I do quite like surely he would come in with he sure he would never come in with a huge lead, and then they would lose that would not happen, right?
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That hasn't happened, but anyhow, in his post-game presser, Vitello was already in street clothes, like gray hoodie, jeans, like he's ready to get out, and he is like shh, like still like it's not like viscerally shaking mad, but like his mind is going a million miles a minute.
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Um, he was asked uh whether he felt any like type of disrespect.
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Um at that point, he went into like a side tangent about Troy Tolowitzki and college coaches.
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It was very odd, it was just a very odd five minutes.
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Um, and then that kind of leads into literally the net like not even 12 hours later because they had to play a doubleheader the next day.
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And Ron Wotis, longtime bench coach who was now not even a coach, he's a front, he's technically front office, he's a special assistant.
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And he just happens to be in the dugout for games uh during the lineup card exchange.
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Uh, he had some thoughts that he wanted to talk over with Porter.
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And at one point, Porter said we're done, and Wotis was not done, and then got ejected.
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So I don't know how many times in Giants history or baseball history a non-coach slash front office person has gotten ejected.
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It probably happened sometimes, but four ejections, three days, and this large question looming of, you know, have umpires been disrespecting Vitello to kind of ponder.
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So what I'll say to to wrap this up, like I think what's most interesting to me about this particular sequence, Ryan Blakeney was the one with the in the Reds game.
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He's definitely he likes to throw people out for sure.
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Um Alan Porter is pretty much universally revered as one of the best umpires in the league.
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Um that is players will tell you that, that is coaches will tell you that, that is league officials will tell you that, that is that is the freaking ump scorecards tracking the strike zone.
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Uh, I think he's actually having a bit of a down year, all things considered.
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But he is one of the best.
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So that doesn't mean that he is infallible, and that means that he is absolutely in the right in this circumstance, but it is, I think, relevant context to the characters involved, where for whatever reason, like in this circumstance, I am probably more likely to side with Alan Porter.
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Now, it also makes me think that Ron Wotis and Alan Porter have probably interacted before in some form, uh, for better or for worse, and that may have impacted it.
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Um, you know, obviously he didn't have any relationship with Tony.
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So that is the the last thing I would just say about this stuff because that was what interested me when all that happened.
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Again, it's not that good umpires can't make mistakes, but um and not that really most fans want to hear about umpires being good in literally any circumstance, but I'm just trying to communicating my understanding that he is among those considered the best Thompson League.
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So I think that adds an interesting layer to the situation, whether he was in the right or not.
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That is great.
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Context is the game over?
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It's over?
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The Giants have won.
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The bullpen has shut it down.
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The Giants have didn't allow they didn't allow run.
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They allowed the first two Dylan Smith was like, alright, I'll make you sweat.
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We'll allow the first two base runners, and then nah, let's lower let's lower that bullpen ERA.
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Let's lower that ninth inning ERA from 6-1-2 to slightly lower than that.
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Just just a little something to make the folks feel alive, and this is just a perfect segue into something that I know you wanted to talk about, which was the bullpen and kind of everything hovering around it.
00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:14.480
One quick point on Alan Porter, though.
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Uh, the game that he was behind the plate and he ejected Vitello, he had an awful game.
00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:23.519
Like I think it was like eight overturns.
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Like it was a really bad game, and you never want to have a bad game, period, but to kind of handle the situation the way that it was handled, um probably not ideal circumstances.
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But it is once again on the splash it is once again time on the Splash Considerations podcast to talk about the San Francisco Giants bullpen.
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And I've kind of tried to find reasons to not talk about it just because it's been talked about so much, but we cannot ignore what had happened this past week because this is it was literally a disaster catastrophe of historic proportions.
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As I mentioned, I may I may have said I'm confusing my days because they had the Monday off day.
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I I may have said Thursdays or Wednesday, whatever day it was.
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They're going for the sweep against Wednesday.
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They're going for the sweep against the Cincinnati Reds.
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They are leading seven to one going into the ninth inning.
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They are three outs away and they have to protect a six-run lead.
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And Jordan, we were texting throughout this day because as it is well documented, the Giants have not seen a single plea please don't please recount the texts.
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Please recount.
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Because it's not like I think part of the great back and forth of this for those of you who are watching this game is like the timing of like texts that I like did or didn't respond to at the time.
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Because it just makes it funnier.
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I'm pulling this up too.
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So so okay, so obviously Tony gets gets thrown out.
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So that was already hilarious, right?
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So we were texting early in the game, and we were like, we were texting before because we were like, oh my god, they're good, they're going for the sweep, and I have been tracking this all year, and you obviously have been too, because it's your job.
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Um and then Shea Wicker makes an error on the first pitch of the game, and it's like this is the funniest thing ever.
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And then Tony gets thrown out.
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Okay, blah blah blah.
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So then then we kind of fast forward.
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You texted four or two giants going into the sixth.
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Here's a funny one in retrospect.
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I responded, Roxby for the save, need it.
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Sounds like sounds like that's what we needed to happen.
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And he that he he had he not made his debut yet.
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I think that was He hadn't made his debut yet.
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He made he was we'll get to the second because I mean again, clearly.
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He should have been he should have been in the game.
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Okay, so then then here's where it really gets funny.
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Then you start speculating as we're approaching the end of the game.
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You're like, hey, like we're gonna they're going for it.
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Talk about how they could have a one game sweep, a two game sweep, a Three-game sweep and a four-game sweep.
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Yeah, so to provide some context, they had the two-game because of the weird game in Atlanta, because of the postponement.
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So that was a that's a two-game sweep.
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And then today they win.
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There's balloons flying on Zoom.
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I don't know why.
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Um so today they win that that makes it a one-game sweep.
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If they would have swept Cincinnati, that would have been a three-game sweep, and then they were about to play the dime backs.
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So they would have, I don't know how many, it doesn't matter now, but I was curious, like, oh, how many teams in history have had a one, two, three, and four-game sweep in a season?
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If we're getting like purely by Elias' definition of a sweep.
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But anyhow, I will throw this back over to you because at some point, you there was a how long was this gap?
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It was not even a third, it was a 23 minutes later, after I say that about, oh yeah, one game, two games, you'd say uh all caps, um, tuning back in.
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Here's the underrated part about this game.
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They were up six to three going to the eighth, and then they tacked on three in the bottom of the eighth.
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So, like, you know, six-three at that point were not feeling awesome.
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But once you make it nine-three, it's like they're gonna do it.
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They're gonna sweep.
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And then, yeah, at some point in the top of the ninth, I assume like when the first three batters reached.
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So um the the first batter, I'm forgetting I'm pulling up his name right here.
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It is a first one was Hector Rodriguez going like to the freaking 430 to the water.
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Yeah.
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That was one of the I'm saying this with having not seen like a ton of bonds live, and I don't think I ever saw a bond splash hit.
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That was like bonds, like when you pan to the water, and there's not a single kayak in sight, like it was only like 430, like that felt like it was 500 feet, but then it goes from there, it starts going from there.
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Okay, Homer single, wild pitch, walk walk, wild pitch, walk.
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Now here comes Dylan Smith.
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And I think probably what I did was I think either when he was coming in with the bases loaded or right after Gino hit the Grand Slam to make it 9-8.
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But but here's the thing about the Grand Slam to make it 9-8 and still no outs.
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You kind of wonder, did that kill the rally?
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So it's funny and classic rally killing Grand Slam.
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As A-Rod likes to say, home runs that kill rallies.
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Right.
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So then it's like that might actually have been bad.
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No, of course, that's not what happens.
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They they managed to take the lead and then uh and then and uh yeah, they they lost the game.
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It was it was unbelievable.
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There was there was some things I said after the fact that we will keep off air, but it was it was bizarre, and this kind of leads into the second part of this general discussion.
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Um, Giants General Manager Zach Manassian went on the radio the next day, and here's the thing.
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I want to preface it by saying this we live in a very black and white world.
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There's no room for nuance in anything.
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It's either you're this or you that media literacy is on the decline.
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You're in the media sphere, I'm in the media sphere, we understand this.
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And so Zach attempted to make a very nuanced point, which both of us understand what he was trying to say.
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But dot dot dot, fresh off of literally the worst collapse, like by just by runs, like this was the largest blown lead in the like they they had never lost a game when leading by six innings in the ninth.
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This has never happened before in the 144 years of Giants history.
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Uh Zach Manassian goes on K and BR the next day.
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He was asked, this is for a little bit of context, he was asked, do they need to rebuild the bullpen?
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And both of us know the answer is no, like, not rebuild, you know, there's solid pieces there, but uh Zach made the same kind of mistake that Kenny Atkinson made when uh the Cavs were trailing 3-0 in the the Eastern Conference Finals, and he said analytically, we're we're up two to one.
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Uh Zach said if you take out the ninth inning, we have the sixth best bullpen ERA in baseball, which was true.
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The problem with that, and again, we understand what he was trying to say.
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There are pieces here.
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The problem with that is that he's saying it literally the day after the worst collapse by runs in franchise history.
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So not not the best.
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Here's what he should have here's what he should have said.
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Um our ninth inning bullpenny array, I know it seems hard to believe, is not even the worst one in baseball.
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So we're gonna see Rolls.
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That that would have been great.
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That would have been great.
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Uh they're in fact they're better than the Nats, too.
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Or at it, maybe they weren't a week ago.
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:13.359
But um anyway, I mean, listen, here well, sorry, here's what we can do to really sum up this situation.
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Let's just go back to our texts without exposing you too much.
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So, you know, they lose.
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:27.599
Um and you said, You texted, you said, I can't believe that happened.
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And then you said, like, I can, but how is this real life?
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:45.039
Yeah, that's that that's about where it falls because I mean, this is like not to get like too grand about how the season has gone overall, but like that's why I'm saying it.
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:56.319
This is like like it was it's hard not to say this without like sounding very mean, but this kind of feels in line with what has happened this season.
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:03.680
Again, for a team that's like if not they might not lose a hundred games, but they're at least flirting with losing a hundred games, and there's been a bunch of bizarre things.
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:11.519
Like if we if we did the whole like everything that's happened this season since we last talked, we would be here for about an hour.
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.519
Yeah, but it's just been a very bizarre season.
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This is a very bizarre way to lose a game.
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We don't need to put it in the game.
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I will I will give a quick shout out to Logan Webb too, because he said he again in an era of nuance, nuance is dead, but he said that like typically in a season you're gonna have like a one or two of these games, which name me a team that like hasn't had at least like one of these.
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Like, I don't I don't know how the Dodgers and Brewers are like with their specific games, but they've probably had at least like just one weird games like this.
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:41.279
But so it's gonna happen.
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:49.039
It happened to the Giants, and then it just kind of got made worse by what Zach Manassian said and how he again, not the actual point he was making, but the way he presented it.
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.359
But again, it leads into the general point, and you know, you said you really like Dylan Smith.
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There is a lot of very solid uh arms in this bullpen, as odd as that is, despite the fact that their bullpen's like 19th in ERA and whatever it is in Fip.
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.880
It is just that they don't have that ninth inning guy.
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:17.680
So I think the biggest thing is the Giants front office, they they really can't make the same mistake that they did last this past offseason, which was hey, we got to expect the best possible outcome for X, Y, and Z.
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Because you don't get the best possible outcome for a lot of guys, and you kind of get end up in the situation where they are.
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:49.519
And I don't know where this team is if they had you know like a 50th percentile, like just 15th bull bullpen, but but here's the thing like a big another reason why your bullpen is where it's is is because you have traded away slash overvalued the pitching the rotation you had in the first place, and that includes Logan Webb being bad for a while.
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Um you've just worked so many of these guys beyond what you ever thought you were gonna have to, and whether that's just exposing them, whether it's workload, whether it's whatever it is the best teams the bullpen succeeds because the rotation succeeds.
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.200
You know, it goes it does go together.
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:17.279
It's not just about the personnel in the bullpen and whether you've heard of them or not.
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And so while there is some interesting arm talent that they have to maybe build off of, it doesn't really matter if you don't have a rotation that isn't going to work them into the ground and then expose them to do horribly embarrassing things in the ninth inning all the time.
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So now it is also a talent deficit to a degree, as much as we love all the stories that are currently in the bullpen.
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Some of these guys are good enough to be good major league relievers, some of them probably aren't, because that's just the reality.
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:58.559
It's just it's just a bad teams are put are using players that probably aren't on good major league teams for the long haul.
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Like that's just that's just a fact.
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Like, that's just how you end up here in this first place.
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So this is not to be disrespectful, that's just kind of where you're at.
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:12.559
So that doesn't mean you can't find pieces in there, but it also is a reality that you kind of have to overcome as as you do look forward.
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:22.559
And if we just talk about just existential questions for the Giants, um you just have a lot to answer on the pitching side.
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:38.880
Which, if we want to, you know, spin this bleak podcast into something more positive, what what a you know, what a draft, what a series of trades to a degree.
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.759
None of this excuses this season is a disaster.
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It's you know, it's it's hard to come back from.
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Posey deserves a lot of criticism and et cetera, et cetera.
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.920
But you you're starting to see a pipeline to be excited about.
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:59.039
Um, you know, Jackson Flora first and foremost, but some of the guys they traded for, obviously, some of that exists on the on the position player side, too.
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:14.480
I think what's really hard about the Giants, and what's really hard about talking about the Giants is that this should not be a team that we're in is in some deep rebuild.
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.640
That was, I don't think, ever the intention.
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.920
They've obviously spent money in a way that did not declare they're in a rebuild.
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:32.000
So if this was a smaller market team with, you know, a lower payroll, and you could look at the farm that has leapt forward in these huge ways and say, okay, nice, we're building a talent base.
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:33.680
And it's not that those things aren't good.
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.680
It's just that like I also don't know how many of those guys are going to help next year.
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.920
And like, we need help next year.
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.839
We need the with the Giants should be winning baseball games.
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:50.079
And I guess you could say, oh, well, maybe this year is the green light to take a step back.
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:55.279
That's also kind of sad and depressing, but like maybe that's the right move with the organization.
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:56.319
I don't know.
00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:04.160
That doesn't really sound like something Buster Posey wants to do, but maybe he does have the patience for it if he also is like bulletproof in his job security.
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.559
That is an interesting thing to consider as well.
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.240
So um, yeah.
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.319
Yeah, and there's so big picture thoughts.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.920
I've mentioned this a couple times, and you know, I'd be interested to hear your like your perspective on it.
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:34.720
Is like it feels like they're in this really weird middle ground because uh Buster Posey said they're not rebuilding, like the core guys that they have are still going to be the core guys next year, that being Matt Chapman, William Damas, who is probably gonna be out for the season now, uh Rafael Devers, Jung Hoo Lee, as far as the big money guys, and then you also have Bryce.
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:43.599
So, like those well, not including Bryce, he's still pre-R, but you know, the big money guys are still on the books, and you're probably not gonna get off of those contracts.
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.839
But that next wave isn't ready yet.
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.640
It's probably like realistically, it's not gonna be until like 2028.
00:33:52.720 --> 00:34:08.719
Like, yeah, you have Bo Davidson, you have Parks Harbor, they're knocking on the door, but when you start thinking about some of their top prospects, it's probably not gonna be until 2028 at the minimum, and especially when you get to like Josuar and Luis, like that's more realistically, that's like 2029.
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:13.360
So it is this like really weird middle ground of like how do you navigate next season?
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:26.400
And yeah, the lockout, all that that's a whole nother question, but it's like how much money do you spend in the offseason, knowing that you know it's this really weird, nebulous territory, especially given that their pitching depth has taken such a hit.
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.519
Carson Wizenhunt is gonna get a hybrid UCL reconstruction.
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.360
That's one of the big things that happened this past week.
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:40.000
Trevor McDonald, TJ, Hayden Birdsong, TJ, those are three of their quote-unquote young depth pieces that are not gonna be there next year.
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:46.960
And that kind of just leaves them with Matt Wilkinson, Joe Whitman, Blade Tidwell.
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.199
Like, that's kind of their young pitching depth now.
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.039
So with that in mind, like, how do you approach next season?
00:34:53.280 --> 00:35:07.199
Like, you don't want to just say, like, ah, we're not gonna win next season, but you probably also don't want to like give up farm pieces for what might not be a great season either, but you also have all these money guys on the book, so it's like, what it just feels like, man.
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.519
I don't know setting up to be a weird one.
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:22.559
Yeah, and like there are other teams that are top heavy, flawed, don't have help in the upper minors coming.
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.840
But like those teams are still finding ways to win.
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:27.039
Look at the Padres.
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.519
That is not a deep org at the major league level or at the final league level.
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They're spying a ton of horrible contracts.
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:42.719
Um, they have all kinds of big existential questions, they're finding ways to win, you know.
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:48.960
Um, and the Giants have just straight up done the exact opposite now for five years running.
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.119
So um just so much to prove in that regard.
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.159
They they just don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:04.159
You know, especially after this year where it went so bad, it wasn't even like, oh okay, well, we're still 500, still 500, still 500.
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.400
Maybe things break right instead of being stuck at 500.
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.000
No, you you sucked.
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.599
You were a bad team.
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.320
So now you gotta get back to competent before you get to good.
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.320
Now, look at the white White Sox.
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Maybe you don't have to do that.
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.159
Maybe you could just launch from awful to good.
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:21.519
It it happens for sure.
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.760
Royals did that a couple years ago.
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.119
Uh way harder to do in the National League as currently constituted, right?
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:37.199
So that's something that just especially in the National League West, like you don't have you just don't have that cushion.
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:47.679
You you you so I it's way harder to do that, and then and yeah, that's why they there's I don't there's really no other team like in their competitive quagmire.
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:57.920
I I I mean there's a couple other ones in the middle, but I I think the Giants are uniquely positioned and not not necessarily in a good way.
00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.760
But there are some good things happening.
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:01.280
There are some good things happening.
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.000
There are some good things happening indeed, and we'll get to that.
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:44.159
But one quick final point before talking not talking about this current team is I do I do wonder if, you know, given where they are, I do have wonder if, again, like existentially speaking, if one of the goals that this front office and this team as a whole as a whole has for next year is just being more of an irritant to play and getting more creative because the way that they've approached this entire season has been very traditional and it's been very odd considering that you know they don't have the top end talent of a Dodgers or even some of just like the depth of a Brewers, where it it took to the second half to for Adrian Hauser to get an opener.
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.119
Where it was pretty obvious very quickly that he should have.
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.400
Like, do we see the Giants next year doing a little what the Padres do?
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:56.239
Where like the Padres kind of have like three starters and they just kind of figure things out for those other two.
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:00.159
I mean, that's uh they got a heck of a lot of relief talent.
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:07.840
I mean that their bullpen is pretty stacked, but yeah, I mean they're they have sort of you and that's what you need if you're gonna have half a rotation.
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:13.119
Yeah, or do they get you know a little more you know aggressive when it comes to platooning guys?
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:30.480
And you know, I'm not saying I don't think the Giants will ever go like full Farhan and full Gabe again, but you know, it the one thing you can't say about those Farhan Gabe's team is like they didn't milk every last ounce of like like what more wins did they leave on the table with some of the players and some of the personal that they have?
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.960
And in meanwhile, with this Giants team, that's the opposite.
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:37.119
Like theoretically, the the talent floor is higher, but you haven't been able to do that.
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.719
So that's one thing I'm just very curious next to see if they do next year.
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.000
I think we've seen it a little bit.
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:50.159
I think Tony's been a little more aggressive with some of his pinch hitting recently because some of the veterans aren't here, but that is a present concern.
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.280
I think the I think the past and the the future are a lot more uh illuminating.
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.480
I know you want to talk about the future.
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.920
We're gonna I'm gonna make a super quick point about the past, real quick.
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:00.960
The Giants obviously just retired.
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.400
Jeff Kent's number 21 uh this past weekend.
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:16.960
Had a very intimate moment with Barry Bonds when he jogged out on the field, gave like a it wasn't just the the typical dap, it was a very big hug, and they kind of and like Bonds like kind of grabbed him and like shook him a little bit.
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:26.320
And you can if you're watching that, you're like, you can't help but think about the fight they had in 2002 in San Diego, and Jeff Kent even said, like, I don't get to this point where I'm at without that fight.
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.360
And it is true, him and Bonds really pussed each other.
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:33.519
And he tells Bonds, you know, I hope your time is coming.
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.280
I think that's the most public support that he's had since getting voted in.
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.239
So just wanted to quickly touch upon that point.
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.960
Uh, and you know, next year we might see uh not one, not two, but three Giants going to the Hall of Fame.
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.159
Those being Buster Posey, Dusty Baker, and uh Bruce Bochi.
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.480
Any thoughts on the Hall of Fame of it all?
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.480
The number of retirement of it all.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.880
I know this isn't your your wheelhouse, but no.
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:02.000
Well, it hey, dude, you wrote my senior thesis on the Hall of Fame, so you don't gotta tell me that you know I I this is it used to be up my alley.
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:03.679
I think I'm just burnt out on it.
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.880
Um it is hilarious.
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.119
It's like, oh yeah, they could get three Hall of Famers, but not the guy with the most home runs.
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.119
Um that guy.
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.159
So yeah, I mean the Kent Bonds relationship, right?
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:23.440
Like, but like what did you I mean, if they really had beef, he wouldn't have been there.
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:24.480
Right?
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.719
Like, and that would have been a huge story.
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:27.360
So that's the thing.
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:29.039
Right.
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.639
So obviously he's gonna show up and uh and and and show support.
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:33.679
So that was cool.
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.199
Yeah, so that was the past.
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:36.719
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.159
Let's talk about the future.
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.880
Yeah, because as we we we mentioned some of the names, and this is a farm system.
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.079
I I think I mentioned this.
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:53.440
I wanna I'm gonna pat myself on the back a little bit because I did say that I think I said it once on the pod, but I I think I I don't remember if I wrote it or not.
00:40:53.679 --> 00:41:05.119
But going into the deadline, or like going into the month of July, I said like if they play the draft right and if they play the deadline right, uh, they might have a top five farm system in baseball.
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.880
And according to baseball America, they do now have a top five farm system in baseball.
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.920
It is easily one of the better farm systems that this team has had in quite some time.
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.840
You're shaking your head a little bit.
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.840
No, I'm I'm I'm I am pondering a little bit.
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.840
I am thinking about whether I agree with top five.
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.760
Um Do you agree with this with the concept of borderline top five?
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:28.400
How about that?
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.000
Yes, I think that that's fair.
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.159
I think definite top ten, and here's what I here's what you cannot dispute.
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:39.280
A year and a half ago, undisputed bottom five.
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:39.920
Absolutely.
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:53.679
You know, and so whether it's top ten, whether it's top five, whatever, that is quite the leap to make um without a bunch of top draft picks, right?
00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:03.920
Yeah, they did have Flora, but yeah, and w with with this draft though, it was you know kind of you know finding themselves in advantageous spots.
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.719
They obviously drafted Carson Bowman with the pick that from the Patrick Bailey trade.
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:15.519
Uh they signed Josuar Gonzalez two years ago, now well actually last year, and then they signed Luis Hernandez earlier this year.
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:23.679
Uh, wrote a story for Mercury News, go check it out about Joshua and Luis, kind of the differences about them, what makes them kind of unique as players and personalities.
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.800
Uh Jackson Flora pitched in they call it the bridge league, I guess you can call it the instructs, whatever you want to call it.
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:29.599
He pitched on Saturday.
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.920
It's still kind of nebulous whether he's gonna pitch or not this year, but he was the fourth overall pick.
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:40.000
Uh, wrote about uh Peyton Bonds as well, the nephew of Barry Bonds, the grandson of Bobby Bonds.
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:47.360
Um, so there is just a lot of talent in this farm system that they just didn't have uh about as you mentioned a year and a half ago.
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:54.800
And again, it kind of speaks to like this really weird position where you know the kids in the system, like that's the priority right now.
00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:08.719
And like, yes, you want to win at the major league level, but you also don't want to make like find yourself in a position that is disadvantageous for them, whether that means signing like a somebody that like could block a position later on.
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.400
That was the whole thing with Luisa Rise and why it didn't make sense to sign an extension.
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:28.400
But what has your kind of just general gist been, you know, impressions been about the pharmacist on the whole, some of the individual guys here, and just you know, the amount of I guess general optimism that the Giants fans can have, despite a season being as bad as it is.
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:43.119
Yeah, and honestly, like until this year, and of course, when you are able to pick at the top um with Flora, and I thought that that was absolutely what I would have done in that in that position.
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:44.800
Big believer in him.
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.280
Um obviously works out that he grew up a Giants fan, that only makes it better.
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.920
Um, but I just like I really haven't been liking their drafts.
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.079
And I mean, I don't that's not just me.
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.880
I mean, they haven't produced a whole lot over the last few years.
00:43:58.960 --> 00:43:59.840
That's not exactly a season.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.079
Secret uh at the top of the draft, even in some of the middle uh picks.
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.599
Obviously, they hit on Bryce.
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:13.119
That was someone who I was kind of more on, and he's he's he is clearly out exceeded my expectations this year.
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:13.920
I was low on him.
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.079
He's a building block, like he's super impressive.
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:17.119
That's great.
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.440
Other than that, like you've got some interesting picks.
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.039
You've got some that you've, of course, already traded away in James Tibbs.
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.960
Keelan, another one that I've been low on historically, he's having a good season.
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:37.519
I still would need to see a lot to think about him as like an impact player, the way that I do think, of course, Gonzalez, maybe Hernandez, but certainly, certainly Josuar.
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.400
But the pitching is really what's exciting, just the different levels of pitching.
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.440
Because offensively, there's still just not a whole lot at the upper levels.
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.639
I know Keelan's sort of making his way there, but I still consider him more of a role player long term.
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.440
Whereas, yeah, you talk about the the kids at the bottom.
00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:01.039
Whereas pitching, you've got the college guys, you've got the high school guys, not just Bullman, but Wectors, another someone who some uh teams saw as a first-round talent.
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.440
The trade to get Ramon Marquez.
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:09.440
Um, another trade that now I don't know how much you've talked about Jacob Bresnahan, but he's an interesting arm.
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.360
Um just got promoted to double A.
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:12.320
Just got promoted.
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:14.480
Uh Kate, what is it, Kayner Martinez?
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:15.519
Kanar Martinez.
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:16.639
Kainer Martinez.
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:23.199
So they've got a now, but it's still not a whole lot where you're like you're competing for a rotation spot next year.
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:28.639
But I mean, if Jackson Flora, I mean, if they want to let him roll here, it's not crazy.
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:35.039
I mean, we've seen a lot of guys, college pitchers at the top of the draft, that get to the big leagues in a year, year and a half.
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.760
So it's not impossible to say he could be an option by the end of next season.
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.199
But that's where it's exciting.
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:51.840
It's just, again, it's just hard to talk about it in terms of the timeline, but with the rest of the team and the pressure to win and or the urgency to win, um, that said, it's all still really good stuff.
00:45:52.159 --> 00:46:20.480
And now I think, okay, so you've done well in the acquisition, but now it is going to be an interesting matter of coaching and development in the minors, and then development in the majors, which is a huge part of winning major league baseball games, and clearly something that not just the Giants have struggled with, but some of the other teams that you think about why some teams are able to be so good, it's that players are still getting better once they get to the majors or breaking out and they're better in the majors than they ever were in the minors.
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:25.119
That's happening for teams like the Brewers and Rays and Guardians and so on and so forth.
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:41.599
So I still don't know like about the depth of this, but the the trades in this draft have really like a year ago, before this deadline in the draft, it was like there was things to be excited about, but it still felt shallow.
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.639
Now you've sort of filled it in where it looks more like a top five farm system.
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:55.760
Like I said, I still don't know if it has the depth of what I would normally consider a top five farm system, but there's plenty to be excited about the top that I can understand if you prefer those top heavy groups.
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.440
Then yeah, sure, I I see it.
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:03.119
Yeah, and you know this more than anyone is you know, you're not gonna not all these guys are gonna hit.
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:09.039
Like that's just three out of like we cannot say definitively who, but like you're not gonna hit on all these guys.
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.239
But I I disagree with the notion that like the draft and like everything is like a crapshoot.
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:22.400
I I kind of liken it more to like a lottery in the sense that the more kind of scratches you have, the higher probability that like one of these guys is gonna hit.
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:30.000
And I'm gonna go back to something that you know friend of the program Julian McWilliams said in the last podcast when he was talking about the the Red Sox big three.
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.760
You know, generally speaking, someone's not gonna be good, someone's gonna be okay, and someone's gonna be really good.
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:44.880
So if the more guys that you can have, it's like uh one of these guys is like physically speaking, one of these guys to pan out.
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:45.440
It's totally true.
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.880
And they're right, and Johnny Levell's the other one who I should have mentioned.
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.960
Um obviously he's having a a terrific season.
00:47:53.440 --> 00:48:04.960
And you know, I mean, I've always been a I've been a Dakota Jordan fan for a while, so I mean it's he's definitely has a lot to prove at the upper levels, but um yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of exciting names.
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:16.000
Um and and and then there's also some uh some deep cuts, the the Scotty Banduras of the world, the uh the uh the the Hunter Dryden.
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.639
I mean they got they got a few they got more than just Turner Hill.
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:27.920
They got I think three or four or five deep division three guys uh in this organization, which I'm uh always gonna be biased towards.
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:34.239
But um, yeah, and and then Seth Lonswick, another I mean he's now I'm just talking about anyone that's from Ohio, basically.
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.239
But um so you you mentioned Turner Hill.
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:39.280
I I know you want to talk.
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.920
You you texted me about Turner Hill specifically.
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.320
So I'm gonna I'm I'm I'm dishing you to rock.
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:44.880
We're calling it a little bit more.
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:49.280
Yeah, let me let me do Turner Hill and then I'll do it for the people who don't know Turner Hill.
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.400
Sure, sure.
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.079
Yeah, I mean I mean, what a freaking what a freaking story.
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.679
So so again, it's if those unfamiliar, like I I think you know, division three baseball is something I'm very passionate about.
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:13.360
I went to a division three school in Ohio, and so anyone that makes it out of that level to be even an affiliated ball is amazing, uh, especially now more than ever because the draft got shortened because there are fewer spots in Pro Bowl than ever, to stand out at that level.
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:20.159
Um, you know, even before nowadays, also Turner Hill, I should mention, he was at Marietta College.
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:21.280
He's from Marietta, Ohio.
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:29.440
Marietta is essentially the Division III Yankees, like they're the Yankees of Division III, they've won a bunch of World Series and also like the Yankees, haven't won as much recently.
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.679
But they used to be used to be dominant, always dominant the regular season.
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.800
The OAC is one of the best conferences in Division III baseball.
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:46.000
But the cool thing about Turner Hill from Marietta originally wasn't good enough to play at Marietta, even D3 goes D2, which I know is above D3.
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:48.079
Or sorry, I should clarify.
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:49.679
Was he good enough to play at Marietta?
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.480
Why he started at Malone, which is another school or not, I can let him tell that story.
00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:04.159
Um, I don't know Turner personally, but this is someone that following Marietta because I went to school with D3 School in Ohio is just Marietta is just a school that always has my attention.
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:10.639
And then Turner Hill transferred back home, basically, uh to Marietta College and was just unbelievable.
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:17.599
And one of the even with essentially no power, was one of the best D3 hitters I've ever seen or followed.
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.320
He had like a 500 on base percentage um for his last two seasons.
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.639
Uh yeah, five, five fifteen on base percentage over his last two seasons.
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:32.719
So on base all the time, stealing a bunch of bags, impossible to strike out, just such a fun player.
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:40.639
But it was like the kind of skill set that you're like, okay, maybe he could get signed, but I he doesn't this doesn't look like a major leaguer, right?
00:50:40.880 --> 00:51:02.800
And for him to do that and just keep doing that all the way up to be an undrafted free agent to sign, um, and then to just keep finding ways on base all the way up through the minors to where 384 OBP in the minor leagues before he got called up um in you know almost 400 games is just so impressive.
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:04.880
So uh just a really cool one.
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.639
And and I knew he'd been in the Giants org for a while, but I'd kind of lost track.
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.159
So when I saw that he got called up, I was just like, that's the coolest thing ever.
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.039
So that that uh that that had me pretty fired up.
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.719
And kind of a product of you know a lot of guys being injured.
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:23.519
Again, you could probably field like an entire lineup and then some with the amount of guys that are injured.
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.840
Like he's gotten a fair amount of opportunities.
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:34.400
And after going three for four today with well, just three for four, no RBI, he's currently batting 318 with a 907 OPS.
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:40.480
And again, small sample size, you say what you will, but I as you mentioned, just to get to this point, regardless.
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:50.320
That's the thing, and it's like I don't know if this is just the blip of okay, oh we're in three years, I'm like, oh, remember Turner Hill just because this was his only opportunity.
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:56.000
But there's also like a 10% chance that like he's just gonna be in the big leagues for the next 10 years because or next five.
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:59.760
I know he's a lot older, so you know, I won't say 10 years, but maybe, right?
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:09.760
I mean, it's it's worked for now, you know, seven, eight years running, and and he's found a way to to figure it out and and to be impactful and to draw walks and to not strike out.
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.199
And um it's just it's just so cool.
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.760
So uh who knows what what's next for him.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:31.360
Obviously, the fact that he makes it is amazing enough in its own, and and uh now it's you know now in theory, this is it's just so cool because it's like it's both the end of an amazing story and potentially the beginning of an amazing story, right?
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:31.679
Right.
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:40.000
I mean, this this is true for anyone that gets called up, but I think for someone who who charted a very unique path like him, I think it really uh it really sums it up well.
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:41.039
Um so yeah.
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:53.039
And I think if you're gonna take like any silver linings away from this Giants season or kind of just try to look for the positives, is that it has afforded a lot of guys to really have their moment.
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.280
Like if the Giants were healthy and they were competing, like Turner Hill wouldn't get this moment.
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:02.800
And they're like, Yeah, like I think if you gave anybody in the upfront office Truth Serum and said, like, hey, what would you rather have?
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:09.840
Like a bunch of guys making their debuts or 90 wins, they would say 90 wins, like respectfully to hell with everybody else.
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:10.320
Totally.
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.800
But this is the reality we live in.
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:18.480
And you know, speaking to the debuts, like this past weekend, we saw three different guys make their major league debuts.
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:23.280
Braxton Roxby, who was the first guy to come from the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown.
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:24.800
I've been to Johnstown.
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:26.800
It's like an hour from Pittsburgh.
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:27.519
D2.
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:28.079
Yep.
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.559
Uh Seth Lonsway and Junior Marte.
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.159
And Marte in particular was called up straight from double A.
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:47.039
And you know, the convenient or the timing, the coincidence of his first start happening after Jeff Kent's ceremony was that Juan Marischal was in attendance.
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:51.199
Like the first Dominican, first foreign born Hall of Famer.
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:58.159
And it's funny, Marchal actually did not know that Marte was starting, so he like walked up to him before he started and just giving him some tips.
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:09.360
And then he goes out and throw like fours at four and a third innings, he allows one run, he doesn't get the win, but like he pitched, he was excellent, he dedicated the game to his late brother who passed away last year.
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:18.639
So it's just another, like, really like again, we we we've been for justifiably for a lot of justifiable reasons.
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:20.719
This has been an overloadingly bad season.
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:26.079
There's a lot of reasons to be negative, but these are the cool moments that you try to find over the course of a season like this.
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.239
And and again, like these moments wouldn't be possible.
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.199
It's it's the it's it's the black and white, it's a nuance.
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:38.880
Like these moments would not happen for the Turner Hills, the Braxton Roxbys, the Junior Martes of the world, if not things going the way they are.
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.559
So if nothing else, you do get the moments like this.
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.800
Uh second junior Marte, of course, in Giants history.
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.639
Yes, so there's there's also the union Marte from the Eric Miller trade.
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.559
So these are these are different guys, same names, different guys.
00:54:54.880 --> 00:55:00.639
This one came from the Mike Yastremski trade, who was now on the Braves, who again, as I mentioned, lost the Giants.
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.159
And you know, I think spiritually we're just gonna say this is a three-game sweep for the Giants.
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I don't I don't two games, one game.
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I refuse to accept that.
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Um I have one more topic.
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I have a bonus topic.
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Uh I mean, again, we could talk all night, but I need to go, so I want to make sure I squeeze in my favorite topic or my new bonus topic.
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This will be where we end.
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I am so very excited.
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I have absolutely no idea what this bonus topic is.
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So, one thing that it's actually perfect.
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What's the name of this podcast?
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Splash Considerations.
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.079
So I'm pretty obsessed with splash hits.
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Yes.
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I don't know if you I don't know if you know.
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For a good reason.
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They rule.
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And I haven't for a very long time.
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:51.599
But recently I have really taken it upon me to like do some pretty serious splash hit research.
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And so it's still in progress, but the point is, um I I I've basically have all the splash hits in a spreadsheet, and I'm I'm putting in all the SACCAS data for all of them and all of the notes and whatever.
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:17.199
As you probably know, there is and and and the reason I'm bringing this up now is because we've had like five in the last two weeks.
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Yeah, it's it's been really weird because you know, I think the Giants entered the season at 108, and they're currently at 111, and like the majority of them have come, and it's not just the Giants either.
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.880
Like, there was the player on the player on the reds, yes.
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.360
Somebody else had one as a visitor.
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I can't remember who it was, but somebody else had one.
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.400
Aha ha ha.
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:37.280
Okay, okay.
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You're getting you're leading me right where I want to go.
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.679
So splash hits, where do we what is our source for splash hits?
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Because I think it's a great thing that we have on the internet is that the giants have a site, they have a page, they have a whole page dedicated to it.
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You alluded to the of course the famous scoreboard in the outfield that's only counting the Giants ones, though, right?
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Only the Giants, no Versailles.
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That would be kind of depressing if you were a Giants pitcher and then the thing.
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.920
However, right, that's true.
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I think I know where you're going with this.
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.039
I think I know where you're going with this.
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Uh maybe you do, maybe you don't.
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:20.559
Um that the list online though has has been very inconsistent.
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And in fact, is missing.
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.920
Maybe this is just a plea to Giants PR.
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But with my own research, it is currently still missing.
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In fact, it has since in I'm just gonna pull it up right now, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.079
See, I just think this is so weird.
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If you go and look on the official Giants website, it includes Do this right now, do this right now.
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See, see if you notice anything.
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There's a couple things.
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There's a couple things that you're gonna notice.
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From what I can tell, all the ones on the Giants website or sorry, all the ones that are Giants splash hits, from what I can tell, are correct, with the exception of one detail to what I can find.
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Okay.
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This is a funny one.
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:10.960
Again, this is just me going back and finding it.
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If you go to the Giants splash hits, do you see the one um on uh number 80?
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Number 80.
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Scooter Jeanette.
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Scooter Jeanette.
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Okay, you see how it says it was off Jake Arietta?
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Yes.
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Wasn't off Jake Arietta.
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Wait, hold hold hold on, hold on.
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:35.519
I wanna I'm gonna look at who so but but but that that one was it was off Ranger Suarez.
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.079
Jake Arietta did pigeon that game, but he did not allow it up.
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:41.360
So, you know, stolen valor, however you want to call it.
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Okay.
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:44.000
So that's the same thing.
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Same to the embarrassment, I guess.
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Strange, right, exactly.
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Okay.
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:54.559
But even stranger to me is that, and again, I'm not even like saying this is some sort of conspiracy, I'm just confused.
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:59.840
Uh the other home runs hit into Maccabi Cove.
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We have the Lars Newt Bar Grand Slam.
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We do not have Hector Rodriguez going like to the frickin' to Oakland.
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.599
Yeah, this is weird because I could have sworn.
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I I could have sworn that when that splash hit happened, I think they said it was like 80 by a visitor.
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Okay.
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Well, I think it was probably 70.
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I think it was 70 by a visitor.
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:30.880
I think it was 80.
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I think well, okay, I might be wrong.
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I might be wrong.
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It's based on my sheet, it was 70 because this is also missing Gavin Sheets.
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Gavin Sheets also had one this year, and that is also not on here, and I don't know.
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:45.519
That's who it was.
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:56.880
So that, and then also Landon Roop's name being misspelled, um just makes this one of the stranger web pages uh of any website.
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So there's my bonus content for you.
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That this is fascinating bonus content.
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And um, so you can choose to pass along to Giants PR or not, that's fine.
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Um but all of which is to say this is how I'm this is how I'm where I'm gonna finish this.
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Because we didn't this could be its own longer conversation, but I'm just gonna finish on you you pat yourself in the back earlier, I'm gonna do it for me too.
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Rafi Devers.
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Yes.
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What an absolute freaking beast.
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This dude is so freaking cool.
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And now he is going to rack up Splash Hits for the Like this guy, okay.
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So the I I'm trying I I believe after Bonds the most is is it Yastremsky?
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Um I will let's do that quickly.
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Um Yaz with eight.
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Yaz with eight.
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Uh no, Brandon Belt with ten.
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I lied.
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Um Rafi, Brandon Bell has ten, Sandoval eight, Yastremsky seven, Lamont Wade six, Jock Peterson six.
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Rafi is up to three.
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But like, he ain't going anywhere.
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And he shouldn't.
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He's gonna rack him up, and and uh and I just it just brings me amidst this disaster him being one of the best hitters in baseball for the last basically since May 1st.
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Since May He sucked in April?
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It was bad.
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It was it was awful in April in the start of May.
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Since then, he has been incredible.
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And not that it's like I was the only person that knew the Rafi Devers rakes, but I'm just glad that he is finding a way.
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I mean, I'm finding a way, I'm not surprised.
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This is what he does.
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This is what he does.
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This is what he's done for makes me happy entire career.
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And actually, again, going to the speaking to the game that happened today, he hit his 30th homework of the year today, and quick that was not even September.
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So that was the point I'm gonna make.
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So he the Giants went more than 20 years without having a 30 home run hitter, and now they've had back-to-back years with William Adamas last year, and Rafi's done it before even getting to September.
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This is he's the Giants PR just passed along a very interesting note during the game.
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Uh, he is now one of 11 Giants to have a 30 homer, 30 double season.
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There have been 24 instances he's one of 11 Giants to do so.
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And would you be shocked if by the end of the season he's got a 40-40 season?
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He's got 40 homers, 40 doubles.
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I wouldn't.
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Like, he's had like an upwards of a 900 OPS since May.
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And again, like you can you can get into like a longer conversation, like a more nuanced, again, black, white, gray, about what would this Giants season look like if we had gotten something closer to this version of Devers from this from the jump?
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Like, what happens?
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Patrick Ba maybe Patrick Bailey doesn't get traded, yada yada, yada, but he has been good.
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And considering that he's going to be here for a while, uh, this is a very encouraging for him to really hit his stride here and prove that there is still a lot left in the tank for Rafi Devers.
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And listen, does it mean it's a good contract?
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No, but who cares about that?
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You that's that's not your problem.
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All if you're a Giants fan, what you should care about is the baseball players being good for the Giants, and Rafael Devers is doing that right now.
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So it reminds me of the um what it's gonna look like in 2032, whatever.
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Like we'll get there when we get there.
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It reminds me of that one tweet when it's like uh a fat, like a it's like a hypothetical situation, like a father's like taking his son to a game, he's like, shut up, kid, I'm calculating expected ER.
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Right.
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It's like when he hits a bomb, like you're not thinking about like what he's making in like 2029, like you're thinking about the bomb.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Thank you.
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You're thinking about the bombs.
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You're you're appreciating the man for hitting it out of the park and Jordan Schusterman.
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I always appreciate it when you come on here and you also hit one out of the park.
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Jordan, where can we find your work?
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:08.079
Yahoo! Sports baseball barbacks three times a week, all kinds of stuff coming up uh with October.
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And um, yes, subscribe to Justice on YouTube and subscribe to our new YouTube channel.
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Uh Yahoo launched a new channel just for our pod, Yahoo Sports MLB.
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Um, so yeah, we'd love the support over there.
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You can watch all of our pods, also some bonus content over there.
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So that's where I'm at.
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Thank you, sir.
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This was uh and we could have we could have done another three hours, but I think the Giants post I mean listen, Giants scoreless ninth inning while we recorded this is a beautiful thing.
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And um, I hope when you see them in Pittsburgh this week, you know, you you you give them give them some love for that scoreless ninth.
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Maybe they can get the ninth inning ERA under six this week.
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Maybe you never know, but you know, while the summer is coming to an end, the barbecue boys still getting at it.
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Justice Del Santos, Jordan Schusterman, Splash Considerations podcast.
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We will catch you in the next one.
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Welcome to another episode of Splash Considerations.
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My name is Justice Delosanto, San Francisco Giants B reporter for the Bay Area News Group, San Jose Mercury News, East Bay Times, whatever you want to call us, as long as you read, as long as you subscribe.
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I got the the sugar-free Red Bull right next to me.
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I have the Uncrustable that I also opened right next to me as well.
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We are fresh off the plane.
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I don't even know how many hours I haven't eaten in.
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Jordan, how are we doing?
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Oh, so good to see you, my friend.
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Thank you for having me on.
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Lot to get to.
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Lot to discuss about these 2026 San Francisco Giants.
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We have so much to get to, Jordan.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest.
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So I texted you beforehand and I said it'd be really fun to go back and listen to what we said before hopping on this pod and react to it.
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Jordan, I'm gonna be honest, I I I didn't do it.
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Hey, you're hoping that you would.
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I listened to the whole thing.
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I had to do it.
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I did it while while I was in Detroit, I was covering the Dodgers and Tigers over the weekend.
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And not during Scoobyl, but on Saturday during Blake Snell just walking a bunch and striking a bunch of people out.
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I was I was listening back to our I mean it was even before spring training had even started because I I go down there.
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It was the day before that Tony did the when did you think I was coming to it was like literally the day before.
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And quick note on Scoobyl, because Scooby made headline quote unquote headlines for uh taking back the espresso machine.
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And I did see a lot of Giants fans saying that uh when Tyler Rogers got traded to the Mets, he left the beer fridge there as kind of a little token of appreciation.
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So just that that is not the that is not what we're gonna be talking about.
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Uh I just thought that that would be a fun note.
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Also, I'm gonna mention this real quick.
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It's currently Monday.
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The Giants are playing the Braves right now in Atlanta.
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They are making up the postponed game from June.
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They're currently leading six to three.
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We're gonna kind of like also live pod this well.
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So if they win, it's technically a sweep.
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Um, which they have one sweep under their technically technically absolutely does not count.
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Not their fault, not their fault that it doesn't count.
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I will not as someone who tracks sweeps vigorously, and I've and even the two game sweeps.
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We got some sweep talk talked about.
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Even the two game sweeps.
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Um oh that reminds me I totally botched it.
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I was gonna prepare some, or maybe we did this.
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Did we do this in spring training?
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I was gonna prepare some um Tennessee sweep history uh to talk about how many, and this would be just good for you to do or for anybody to do, um, which is like how many sweeps did Tony have at Tennessee over the last six years, because it's a whole lot more than zero, but it's also just like a large number relative to you know the.
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I imagine it'd be a pretty large number, especially given you know that they won the natty and they won as many.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So anyway, sweep.
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The point is they're making up this game.
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We are watching right now, it's the top of the ninth.
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And as we know, uh Justice, the ninth inning has been mailed, lockdown, no problems.
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It's kind of a I don't even think it joke isn't the right word, but I do think that without exaggeration, like quite literally every podcast since this launch has mentioned the bullpen in some way, shape, or form, and not for good reasons.
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But we we uh you have a point to make, please go ahead.
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Well, I was just gonna say, just going back to the fact, like, what did we just to kind of close the loop on what did we talk about?
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Um so Will Brennan, obviously, I know that sounds like a joke.
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But first baseman with Sacramento.
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Oh, geez, I didn't even know that.
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That's so bleak.
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Uh, I broke the news that Will Brennan signed with the Giants just because I was the only person in the clubhouse that recognized him.
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So we joked about that.
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We talked a lot about Tony V.
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We talked a lot about Devers and Arise and like the different pieces offensively.
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And then at the end of the pod, I was basically like, you know, we just spent 40 minutes talking about all these things.
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Really, this team's success is gonna have a lot more to do with the pitching, but we just didn't talk about it.
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Uh we just did that.
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We just got so like we acknowledge that like that we were both much more like, what's going on with the pitching?
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And that has, of course, proven quite uh true and we validate in that respect respect.
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But now we can make up for lost time by talking about their nine-thinning issues, which we are literally going to witness live here in a few minutes.
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This might make for some really great content, depending on what happens over the next uh 10 or so minutes.
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And currently warming up is Dylan Smith, who's someone I know uh you want to talk about.
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And so I obviously, if you are listening to this podcast, you know what happened with the Giants on Thursday, a collapse of historic proportion.
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But before we get there, we are gonna get there.
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I think we gotta start with one of the most bizarre well, I don't even want to say that as somebody that has covered some really weird ejections.
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Um, a very bizarre three-day stretch and an even more bizarre, like 18 hour stretch for the San Francisco Giants.
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And again, there is there is just so this might be the most jam-packed episode we're gonna have because there was just a crazy amount.
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Like there was like literally a week ago, they had a roster, like a wave of roster moves.
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It was 10 people.
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It was just the most bizarre thing I've seen.
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It's been a lot happening.
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I'll like we've got you know like multiple injuries to talk about.
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It's just a lot happening, Jordan.
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But I do want to start with kind of the ejections because I think that this is a really good way to get into Tony's very broad subject here.
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So we're gonna go through these one by one.
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Feel free to stop me whenever, but I do think that you know some context is needed because both of well, three of these ejections, they are different in all different ways.
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So we obviously know that when Tony was at Tennessee, he was known for his fire, passion, intensity, and we haven't really seen that a ton in the majors.
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Like we've seen it in spurts, it's only been in spurts.
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And going into this past weekend, he had been ejected three times over 132 games, which you know, major league manager nowadays, that's pretty standard fair.
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You're not getting tossed every single week left and right, but this past week was fascinating.
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Uh not just for the fact that he got ejected twice, and Ron Motus got ejected as well, we'll get into that in a second, but the ways in which it happened and kind of these broad questions about how Major League Umpires evaluate or maybe treat Tony, so to speak.
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So before getting to the specifics, just your thoughts generally speaking about how maybe how do you think umpires have been treating Tony Vitello?
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Because if we go back to May, there there have been it's it's very clear there's been illusions to his college days, and uh you know some umpires haven't been uh unwilling to tap into that.
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It feels like there maybe was almost now part of it was that Tony did seem to be very purposefully toning it down from a fiery standpoint in the early going before the season totally went off the rails.
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And I almost wonder if there was a reciprocation of that from the offensive from the umpires perspective, as we have some insurance runs courtesy of Jonah Cox.
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Uh yeah.
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He did go yeah.
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That is his fourth of the year.
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This is gonna be just a very weird podcast, but we we can obviously talk about Jonah Cox for 20 minutes.
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But anyhow.
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I so sorry, I know we're both gonna be distracted.
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Um, I wonder if it was kind of reciprocated by the umps, at least in the early going, of like the umpires being like, yeah, everyone's gonna assume that we are going to start throwing Tony out left and right, and we're gonna treat him like he's, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Although it did feel like over the course of a long season, as the season started to spiral, as the Giants were continuing to make mistakes and having bullpen meltdown after bullpen meltdown, it was just natural that at some point a guy with Tony Vitel's personality was gonna get pretty irked.
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And I think anything that builds up to ejections like this, there's so much that builds up to ejections, relationships between um that we don't know about, you know.
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Oftentimes we'll see we assume with whether it's John Boy breakdowns, it's like, oh, well, this is why this happened.
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It's like a lot of the time, not that those can't be entertaining and oftentimes accurate, there are so many umpire manager interactions that are happening all the time that we don't know about.
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And so it's quite possible that whether it was Alan Porter or um I can't remember who it was in the game.
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Yes.
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No, no, no, no.
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Um that that was during the that was McKay was also during the the Porter ejection, but anyhow.
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Sure.
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I can't remember who it was for uh the Red's one, but it's possible that there's stuff that was building up that we didn't necessarily see.
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It's also possible that whether you could just say Tony had a bad day, we could say the umpire had a bad day.
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I don't know.
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When you get a string of them over consecutive times, it makes it feel like, oh, this is a thing that's happening.
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But it wouldn't surprise me if uh over the course of the season we do end up, we did end up at a place, we should just say, because now here we are, uh, where where this happened.
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Now the I did not to to be honest, I did not follow the ones more recently that closely.
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The Reds one.
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I mean, the one at the beginning of the Reds game and then how that whole game went.
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Like that was last Wednesday, like that was its own thing.
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But um, yeah, the other ones I can't speak to as closely.
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Obviously, I saw the Lotus one, but uh I think it's possible that you know that the relationship between Tony and some umps has like started to deteriorate, but uh at the same time, it's also doesn't really make him that different.
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Like there's some umps and managers that just have beef, even if they've been managers for years.
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So it's just kind of humans being humans, and it's not surprising that Tony Vitello, of all people, kind of ended up in some some stuff at some point.
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Yeah, it's very fascinating how both of these ejections were very odd in like their own way.
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So let's get into the ejections.
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I'll I'll run you through the details of the second one.
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But the first one, that was that was like the kind of quintessential like Vitello experience that a lot of Giants fans, including and even reporters like myself, thought we were gonna consistently get.
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So it's it's the top of the first.
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I want to make this point clear.
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This is the f this one happens in the first inning.
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We don't even finish the top of the first inning.
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So I think it's runners on second and third, Aujanio Suarez is up, and Eugenio Suarez will play another role in this podcast uh soon enough.
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But uh he has a Czech swing, they appeal to first base, not ruled as a swing, and uh Tony was not very happy, and a kind of fun side note in all this is that uh Logan Webb himself said after the game he didn't think Suarez swung.
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So he's like, Oh yeah, I didn't even think he swung, but you know, I appreciate my manager.
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And Tony gets very hot, very fast, and at a very important point as Dylan Smith uh on for the ninth inning to protect now, what is a four-run lead.
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Uh, an important point in all this is that Thursday's crowd was the smallest at a Giants game this entire season, and so the hot mics were absolutely ablaze.
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And the NBC Sports broadcast did a pretty good job of toning it down.
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The Reds broadcast did not.
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If you you can go look it up, like it is you can hear everything, and he that is like F-bombs left and right.
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It the it kind of cuts off where like he goes towards third base, too.
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Like, he he didn't go straight to the dugout, he made like a little lap around.
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Um, but he gets tossed in the first inning, and the Giants were again, they were three outs away from uh completing their first three-game sweep of the year.
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Did not happen.
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And now they're still searching for their first uh three-game sweep.
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So that's the objection number one.
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Do you want me keep going or should I do you want you want to stop right here?
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No.
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Well, I mean, uh well the Wotus one was was pretty funny.
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I mean Okay, let's let's let's keep going.
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Let's get to the Yeah, do the do that one.
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So the Wotus one requires getting to the second one first.
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Because the second one has like a lot more layers to it.
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It's not just a check swing, there's kind of a lot of stuff going on here.
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So this kind of starts when home played umpire Alan Porter uh misses it's the top of the third inning on Friday.
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He misses what would have been a call strike through to Lars Newbar.
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Pitches called a ball, Newt Bar doubles, next batter homers, and then you have the Noel Naranado fair foul ball.
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It was called fair.
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It's one of those balls, it was a grounder that like bounces over the bag, lands in foul territory, so it's a judgment call.
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Did it land fair?
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Did it land foul?
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Like it's it clearly bounces in foul territory, but it's for the umpire, it's like did where did it cross over the bag?
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The Giants clearly disagreed, and then the next batter also homered.
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So two arguable borderline misscalls result in two homers coming after it, and then it's a fiver inning in Blade Tidwell's line uh looks really bad.
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So it's actually Logan Webb, who is so this is four ejections, not just three.
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So Logan Webb was the one who was chirping, like he was mad because you know he wants to stand up for his young starting pitcher who's trying to establish himself.
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And because Logan gets mad, Tony also decides he has to get mad too.
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So Logan gets tossed, and Tony says that he got ejected.
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According to this is according to him, he got ejected because Porter said he did not come out to argue, like that he was yelling from the dugout, and Porter was.
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He was supposed to come out.
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Yeah, he's supposed he Porter wanted him to come out, and then again, Porter allegedly, according to Vitello, uh was mad that he didn't do it right away, that it happened in between innings.
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So that it was kind of weird uh in that regard, all the way around.
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And you know, Tony he he can talk.
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I think we both know this, but uh after the game, and also side note runners are now on first and second.
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Uh the tying run is now uh on deck.
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Um I'm not trying to laugh like this is just uh this is what an experience is.
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Hey, hey, well, surely, surely Dylan Smith, who again I do quite like surely he would come in with he sure he would never come in with a huge lead, and then they would lose that would not happen, right?
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That hasn't happened, but anyhow, in his post-game presser, Vitello was already in street clothes, like gray hoodie, jeans, like he's ready to get out, and he is like shh, like still like it's not like viscerally shaking mad, but like his mind is going a million miles a minute.
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Um, he was asked uh whether he felt any like type of disrespect.
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Um at that point, he went into like a side tangent about Troy Tolowitzki and college coaches.
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It was very odd, it was just a very odd five minutes.
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Um, and then that kind of leads into literally the net like not even 12 hours later because they had to play a doubleheader the next day.
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And Ron Wotis, longtime bench coach who was now not even a coach, he's a front, he's technically front office, he's a special assistant.
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And he just happens to be in the dugout for games uh during the lineup card exchange.
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Uh, he had some thoughts that he wanted to talk over with Porter.
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And at one point, Porter said we're done, and Wotis was not done, and then got ejected.
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So I don't know how many times in Giants history or baseball history a non-coach slash front office person has gotten ejected.
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It probably happened sometimes, but four ejections, three days, and this large question looming of, you know, have umpires been disrespecting Vitello to kind of ponder.
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So what I'll say to to wrap this up, like I think what's most interesting to me about this particular sequence, Ryan Blakeney was the one with the in the Reds game.
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He's definitely he likes to throw people out for sure.
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Um Alan Porter is pretty much universally revered as one of the best umpires in the league.
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Um that is players will tell you that, that is coaches will tell you that, that is league officials will tell you that, that is that is the freaking ump scorecards tracking the strike zone.
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Uh, I think he's actually having a bit of a down year, all things considered.
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But he is one of the best.
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So that doesn't mean that he is infallible, and that means that he is absolutely in the right in this circumstance, but it is, I think, relevant context to the characters involved, where for whatever reason, like in this circumstance, I am probably more likely to side with Alan Porter.
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Now, it also makes me think that Ron Wotis and Alan Porter have probably interacted before in some form, uh, for better or for worse, and that may have impacted it.
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Um, you know, obviously he didn't have any relationship with Tony.
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So that is the the last thing I would just say about this stuff because that was what interested me when all that happened.
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Again, it's not that good umpires can't make mistakes, but um and not that really most fans want to hear about umpires being good in literally any circumstance, but I'm just trying to communicating my understanding that he is among those considered the best Thompson League.
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So I think that adds an interesting layer to the situation, whether he was in the right or not.
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That is great.
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Context is the game over?
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It's over?
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The Giants have won.
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The bullpen has shut it down.
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The Giants have didn't allow they didn't allow run.
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They allowed the first two Dylan Smith was like, alright, I'll make you sweat.
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We'll allow the first two base runners, and then nah, let's lower let's lower that bullpen ERA.
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Let's lower that ninth inning ERA from 6-1-2 to slightly lower than that.
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Just just a little something to make the folks feel alive, and this is just a perfect segue into something that I know you wanted to talk about, which was the bullpen and kind of everything hovering around it.
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One quick point on Alan Porter, though.
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Uh, the game that he was behind the plate and he ejected Vitello, he had an awful game.
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Like I think it was like eight overturns.
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Like it was a really bad game, and you never want to have a bad game, period, but to kind of handle the situation the way that it was handled, um probably not ideal circumstances.
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But it is once again on the splash it is once again time on the Splash Considerations podcast to talk about the San Francisco Giants bullpen.
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And I've kind of tried to find reasons to not talk about it just because it's been talked about so much, but we cannot ignore what had happened this past week because this is it was literally a disaster catastrophe of historic proportions.
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As I mentioned, I may I may have said I'm confusing my days because they had the Monday off day.
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I I may have said Thursdays or Wednesday, whatever day it was.
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They're going for the sweep against Wednesday.
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They're going for the sweep against the Cincinnati Reds.
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They are leading seven to one going into the ninth inning.
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They are three outs away and they have to protect a six-run lead.
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And Jordan, we were texting throughout this day because as it is well documented, the Giants have not seen a single plea please don't please recount the texts.
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Please recount.
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Because it's not like I think part of the great back and forth of this for those of you who are watching this game is like the timing of like texts that I like did or didn't respond to at the time.
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Because it just makes it funnier.
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I'm pulling this up too.
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So so okay, so obviously Tony gets gets thrown out.
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So that was already hilarious, right?
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So we were texting early in the game, and we were like, we were texting before because we were like, oh my god, they're good, they're going for the sweep, and I have been tracking this all year, and you obviously have been too, because it's your job.
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Um and then Shea Wicker makes an error on the first pitch of the game, and it's like this is the funniest thing ever.
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And then Tony gets thrown out.
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Okay, blah blah blah.
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So then then we kind of fast forward.
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You texted four or two giants going into the sixth.
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Here's a funny one in retrospect.
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I responded, Roxby for the save, need it.
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Sounds like sounds like that's what we needed to happen.
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And he that he he had he not made his debut yet.
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I think that was He hadn't made his debut yet.
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He made he was we'll get to the second because I mean again, clearly.
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He should have been he should have been in the game.
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Okay, so then then here's where it really gets funny.
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Then you start speculating as we're approaching the end of the game.
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You're like, hey, like we're gonna they're going for it.
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Talk about how they could have a one game sweep, a two game sweep, a Three-game sweep and a four-game sweep.
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Yeah, so to provide some context, they had the two-game because of the weird game in Atlanta, because of the postponement.
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So that was a that's a two-game sweep.
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And then today they win.
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There's balloons flying on Zoom.
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I don't know why.
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Um so today they win that that makes it a one-game sweep.
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If they would have swept Cincinnati, that would have been a three-game sweep, and then they were about to play the dime backs.
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So they would have, I don't know how many, it doesn't matter now, but I was curious, like, oh, how many teams in history have had a one, two, three, and four-game sweep in a season?
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If we're getting like purely by Elias' definition of a sweep.
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But anyhow, I will throw this back over to you because at some point, you there was a how long was this gap?
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It was not even a third, it was a 23 minutes later, after I say that about, oh yeah, one game, two games, you'd say uh all caps, um, tuning back in.
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Here's the underrated part about this game.
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They were up six to three going to the eighth, and then they tacked on three in the bottom of the eighth.
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So, like, you know, six-three at that point were not feeling awesome.
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But once you make it nine-three, it's like they're gonna do it.
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They're gonna sweep.
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And then, yeah, at some point in the top of the ninth, I assume like when the first three batters reached.
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So um the the first batter, I'm forgetting I'm pulling up his name right here.
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It is a first one was Hector Rodriguez going like to the freaking 430 to the water.
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Yeah.
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That was one of the I'm saying this with having not seen like a ton of bonds live, and I don't think I ever saw a bond splash hit.
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That was like bonds, like when you pan to the water, and there's not a single kayak in sight, like it was only like 430, like that felt like it was 500 feet, but then it goes from there, it starts going from there.
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Okay, Homer single, wild pitch, walk walk, wild pitch, walk.
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Now here comes Dylan Smith.
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And I think probably what I did was I think either when he was coming in with the bases loaded or right after Gino hit the Grand Slam to make it 9-8.
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But but here's the thing about the Grand Slam to make it 9-8 and still no outs.
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You kind of wonder, did that kill the rally?
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So it's funny and classic rally killing Grand Slam.
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As A-Rod likes to say, home runs that kill rallies.
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Right.
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So then it's like that might actually have been bad.
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No, of course, that's not what happens.
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:37.599
They they managed to take the lead and then uh and then and uh yeah, they they lost the game.
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:38.799
It was it was unbelievable.
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:51.839
There was there was some things I said after the fact that we will keep off air, but it was it was bizarre, and this kind of leads into the second part of this general discussion.
00:24:52.079 --> 00:25:01.839
Um, Giants General Manager Zach Manassian went on the radio the next day, and here's the thing.
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:09.839
I want to preface it by saying this we live in a very black and white world.
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.400
There's no room for nuance in anything.
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:17.519
It's either you're this or you that media literacy is on the decline.
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.680
You're in the media sphere, I'm in the media sphere, we understand this.
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:30.400
And so Zach attempted to make a very nuanced point, which both of us understand what he was trying to say.
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:44.160
But dot dot dot, fresh off of literally the worst collapse, like by just by runs, like this was the largest blown lead in the like they they had never lost a game when leading by six innings in the ninth.
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.400
This has never happened before in the 144 years of Giants history.
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:51.759
Uh Zach Manassian goes on K and BR the next day.
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:56.960
He was asked, this is for a little bit of context, he was asked, do they need to rebuild the bullpen?
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:17.279
And both of us know the answer is no, like, not rebuild, you know, there's solid pieces there, but uh Zach made the same kind of mistake that Kenny Atkinson made when uh the Cavs were trailing 3-0 in the the Eastern Conference Finals, and he said analytically, we're we're up two to one.
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:26.160
Uh Zach said if you take out the ninth inning, we have the sixth best bullpen ERA in baseball, which was true.
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:31.200
The problem with that, and again, we understand what he was trying to say.
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:32.640
There are pieces here.
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:40.559
The problem with that is that he's saying it literally the day after the worst collapse by runs in franchise history.
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:42.559
So not not the best.
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.960
Here's what he should have here's what he should have said.
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:55.920
Um our ninth inning bullpenny array, I know it seems hard to believe, is not even the worst one in baseball.
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.319
So we're gonna see Rolls.
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:00.480
That that would have been great.
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:01.440
That would have been great.
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.240
Uh they're in fact they're better than the Nats, too.
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.240
Or at it, maybe they weren't a week ago.
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:13.359
But um anyway, I mean, listen, here well, sorry, here's what we can do to really sum up this situation.
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:18.559
Let's just go back to our texts without exposing you too much.
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.559
So, you know, they lose.
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:27.599
Um and you said, You texted, you said, I can't believe that happened.
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:33.200
And then you said, like, I can, but how is this real life?
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:45.039
Yeah, that's that that's about where it falls because I mean, this is like not to get like too grand about how the season has gone overall, but like that's why I'm saying it.
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:56.319
This is like like it was it's hard not to say this without like sounding very mean, but this kind of feels in line with what has happened this season.
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:03.680
Again, for a team that's like if not they might not lose a hundred games, but they're at least flirting with losing a hundred games, and there's been a bunch of bizarre things.
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:11.519
Like if we if we did the whole like everything that's happened this season since we last talked, we would be here for about an hour.
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.519
Yeah, but it's just been a very bizarre season.
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:14.720
This is a very bizarre way to lose a game.
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:15.680
We don't need to put it in the game.
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:32.799
I will I will give a quick shout out to Logan Webb too, because he said he again in an era of nuance, nuance is dead, but he said that like typically in a season you're gonna have like a one or two of these games, which name me a team that like hasn't had at least like one of these.
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:40.319
Like, I don't I don't know how the Dodgers and Brewers are like with their specific games, but they've probably had at least like just one weird games like this.
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:41.279
But so it's gonna happen.
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:49.039
It happened to the Giants, and then it just kind of got made worse by what Zach Manassian said and how he again, not the actual point he was making, but the way he presented it.
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.359
But again, it leads into the general point, and you know, you said you really like Dylan Smith.
00:28:53.519 --> 00:29:02.720
There is a lot of very solid uh arms in this bullpen, as odd as that is, despite the fact that their bullpen's like 19th in ERA and whatever it is in Fip.
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.880
It is just that they don't have that ninth inning guy.
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:17.680
So I think the biggest thing is the Giants front office, they they really can't make the same mistake that they did last this past offseason, which was hey, we got to expect the best possible outcome for X, Y, and Z.
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.640
Because you don't get the best possible outcome for a lot of guys, and you kind of get end up in the situation where they are.
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:49.519
And I don't know where this team is if they had you know like a 50th percentile, like just 15th bull bullpen, but but here's the thing like a big another reason why your bullpen is where it's is is because you have traded away slash overvalued the pitching the rotation you had in the first place, and that includes Logan Webb being bad for a while.
00:29:49.759 --> 00:30:11.200
Um you've just worked so many of these guys beyond what you ever thought you were gonna have to, and whether that's just exposing them, whether it's workload, whether it's whatever it is the best teams the bullpen succeeds because the rotation succeeds.
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.200
You know, it goes it does go together.
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:17.279
It's not just about the personnel in the bullpen and whether you've heard of them or not.
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:36.400
And so while there is some interesting arm talent that they have to maybe build off of, it doesn't really matter if you don't have a rotation that isn't going to work them into the ground and then expose them to do horribly embarrassing things in the ninth inning all the time.
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:44.000
So now it is also a talent deficit to a degree, as much as we love all the stories that are currently in the bullpen.
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:49.440
Some of these guys are good enough to be good major league relievers, some of them probably aren't, because that's just the reality.
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:58.559
It's just it's just a bad teams are put are using players that probably aren't on good major league teams for the long haul.
00:30:58.640 --> 00:30:59.839
Like that's just that's just a fact.
00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:01.759
Like, that's just how you end up here in this first place.
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.160
So this is not to be disrespectful, that's just kind of where you're at.
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:12.559
So that doesn't mean you can't find pieces in there, but it also is a reality that you kind of have to overcome as as you do look forward.
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:22.559
And if we just talk about just existential questions for the Giants, um you just have a lot to answer on the pitching side.
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:38.880
Which, if we want to, you know, spin this bleak podcast into something more positive, what what a you know, what a draft, what a series of trades to a degree.
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.759
None of this excuses this season is a disaster.
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:43.680
It's you know, it's it's hard to come back from.
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.200
Posey deserves a lot of criticism and et cetera, et cetera.
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.920
But you you're starting to see a pipeline to be excited about.
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:59.039
Um, you know, Jackson Flora first and foremost, but some of the guys they traded for, obviously, some of that exists on the on the position player side, too.
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:14.480
I think what's really hard about the Giants, and what's really hard about talking about the Giants is that this should not be a team that we're in is in some deep rebuild.
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.640
That was, I don't think, ever the intention.
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.920
They've obviously spent money in a way that did not declare they're in a rebuild.
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:32.000
So if this was a smaller market team with, you know, a lower payroll, and you could look at the farm that has leapt forward in these huge ways and say, okay, nice, we're building a talent base.
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:33.680
And it's not that those things aren't good.
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.680
It's just that like I also don't know how many of those guys are going to help next year.
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.920
And like, we need help next year.
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.839
We need the with the Giants should be winning baseball games.
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:50.079
And I guess you could say, oh, well, maybe this year is the green light to take a step back.
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:55.279
That's also kind of sad and depressing, but like maybe that's the right move with the organization.
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:56.319
I don't know.
00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:04.160
That doesn't really sound like something Buster Posey wants to do, but maybe he does have the patience for it if he also is like bulletproof in his job security.
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.559
That is an interesting thing to consider as well.
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.240
So um, yeah.
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.319
Yeah, and there's so big picture thoughts.
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.920
I've mentioned this a couple times, and you know, I'd be interested to hear your like your perspective on it.
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:34.720
Is like it feels like they're in this really weird middle ground because uh Buster Posey said they're not rebuilding, like the core guys that they have are still going to be the core guys next year, that being Matt Chapman, William Damas, who is probably gonna be out for the season now, uh Rafael Devers, Jung Hoo Lee, as far as the big money guys, and then you also have Bryce.
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:43.599
So, like those well, not including Bryce, he's still pre-R, but you know, the big money guys are still on the books, and you're probably not gonna get off of those contracts.
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.839
But that next wave isn't ready yet.
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.640
It's probably like realistically, it's not gonna be until like 2028.
00:33:52.720 --> 00:34:08.719
Like, yeah, you have Bo Davidson, you have Parks Harbor, they're knocking on the door, but when you start thinking about some of their top prospects, it's probably not gonna be until 2028 at the minimum, and especially when you get to like Josuar and Luis, like that's more realistically, that's like 2029.
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:13.360
So it is this like really weird middle ground of like how do you navigate next season?
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:26.400
And yeah, the lockout, all that that's a whole nother question, but it's like how much money do you spend in the offseason, knowing that you know it's this really weird, nebulous territory, especially given that their pitching depth has taken such a hit.
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.519
Carson Wizenhunt is gonna get a hybrid UCL reconstruction.
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.360
That's one of the big things that happened this past week.
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:40.000
Trevor McDonald, TJ, Hayden Birdsong, TJ, those are three of their quote-unquote young depth pieces that are not gonna be there next year.
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:46.960
And that kind of just leaves them with Matt Wilkinson, Joe Whitman, Blade Tidwell.
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.199
Like, that's kind of their young pitching depth now.
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.039
So with that in mind, like, how do you approach next season?
00:34:53.280 --> 00:35:07.199
Like, you don't want to just say, like, ah, we're not gonna win next season, but you probably also don't want to like give up farm pieces for what might not be a great season either, but you also have all these money guys on the book, so it's like, what it just feels like, man.
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.519
I don't know setting up to be a weird one.
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:22.559
Yeah, and like there are other teams that are top heavy, flawed, don't have help in the upper minors coming.
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.840
But like those teams are still finding ways to win.
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:27.039
Look at the Padres.
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.519
That is not a deep org at the major league level or at the final league level.
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.639
They're spying a ton of horrible contracts.
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:42.719
Um, they have all kinds of big existential questions, they're finding ways to win, you know.
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:48.960
Um, and the Giants have just straight up done the exact opposite now for five years running.
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.119
So um just so much to prove in that regard.
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.159
They they just don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:04.159
You know, especially after this year where it went so bad, it wasn't even like, oh okay, well, we're still 500, still 500, still 500.
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.400
Maybe things break right instead of being stuck at 500.
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.000
No, you you sucked.
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.599
You were a bad team.
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.320
So now you gotta get back to competent before you get to good.
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.320
Now, look at the white White Sox.
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:17.280
Maybe you don't have to do that.
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.159
Maybe you could just launch from awful to good.
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:21.519
It it happens for sure.
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.760
Royals did that a couple years ago.
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.119
Uh way harder to do in the National League as currently constituted, right?
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:37.199
So that's something that just especially in the National League West, like you don't have you just don't have that cushion.
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:47.679
You you you so I it's way harder to do that, and then and yeah, that's why they there's I don't there's really no other team like in their competitive quagmire.
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:57.920
I I I mean there's a couple other ones in the middle, but I I think the Giants are uniquely positioned and not not necessarily in a good way.
00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.760
But there are some good things happening.
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:01.280
There are some good things happening.
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.000
There are some good things happening indeed, and we'll get to that.
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:44.159
But one quick final point before talking not talking about this current team is I do I do wonder if, you know, given where they are, I do have wonder if, again, like existentially speaking, if one of the goals that this front office and this team as a whole as a whole has for next year is just being more of an irritant to play and getting more creative because the way that they've approached this entire season has been very traditional and it's been very odd considering that you know they don't have the top end talent of a Dodgers or even some of just like the depth of a Brewers, where it it took to the second half to for Adrian Hauser to get an opener.
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.119
Where it was pretty obvious very quickly that he should have.
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.400
Like, do we see the Giants next year doing a little what the Padres do?
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:56.239
Where like the Padres kind of have like three starters and they just kind of figure things out for those other two.
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:00.159
I mean, that's uh they got a heck of a lot of relief talent.
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:07.840
I mean that their bullpen is pretty stacked, but yeah, I mean they're they have sort of you and that's what you need if you're gonna have half a rotation.
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:13.119
Yeah, or do they get you know a little more you know aggressive when it comes to platooning guys?
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:30.480
And you know, I'm not saying I don't think the Giants will ever go like full Farhan and full Gabe again, but you know, it the one thing you can't say about those Farhan Gabe's team is like they didn't milk every last ounce of like like what more wins did they leave on the table with some of the players and some of the personal that they have?
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.960
And in meanwhile, with this Giants team, that's the opposite.
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:37.119
Like theoretically, the the talent floor is higher, but you haven't been able to do that.
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.719
So that's one thing I'm just very curious next to see if they do next year.
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.000
I think we've seen it a little bit.
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:50.159
I think Tony's been a little more aggressive with some of his pinch hitting recently because some of the veterans aren't here, but that is a present concern.
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.280
I think the I think the past and the the future are a lot more uh illuminating.
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.480
I know you want to talk about the future.
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.920
We're gonna I'm gonna make a super quick point about the past, real quick.
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:00.960
The Giants obviously just retired.
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.400
Jeff Kent's number 21 uh this past weekend.
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:16.960
Had a very intimate moment with Barry Bonds when he jogged out on the field, gave like a it wasn't just the the typical dap, it was a very big hug, and they kind of and like Bonds like kind of grabbed him and like shook him a little bit.
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:26.320
And you can if you're watching that, you're like, you can't help but think about the fight they had in 2002 in San Diego, and Jeff Kent even said, like, I don't get to this point where I'm at without that fight.
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.360
And it is true, him and Bonds really pussed each other.
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:33.519
And he tells Bonds, you know, I hope your time is coming.
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.280
I think that's the most public support that he's had since getting voted in.
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.239
So just wanted to quickly touch upon that point.
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.960
Uh, and you know, next year we might see uh not one, not two, but three Giants going to the Hall of Fame.
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.159
Those being Buster Posey, Dusty Baker, and uh Bruce Bochi.
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.480
Any thoughts on the Hall of Fame of it all?
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.480
The number of retirement of it all.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.880
I know this isn't your your wheelhouse, but no.
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:02.000
Well, it hey, dude, you wrote my senior thesis on the Hall of Fame, so you don't gotta tell me that you know I I this is it used to be up my alley.
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:03.679
I think I'm just burnt out on it.
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.880
Um it is hilarious.
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.119
It's like, oh yeah, they could get three Hall of Famers, but not the guy with the most home runs.
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.119
Um that guy.
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.159
So yeah, I mean the Kent Bonds relationship, right?
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:23.440
Like, but like what did you I mean, if they really had beef, he wouldn't have been there.
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:24.480
Right?
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.719
Like, and that would have been a huge story.
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:27.360
So that's the thing.
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:29.039
Right.
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.639
So obviously he's gonna show up and uh and and and show support.
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:33.679
So that was cool.
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.199
Yeah, so that was the past.
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:36.719
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.159
Let's talk about the future.
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.880
Yeah, because as we we we mentioned some of the names, and this is a farm system.
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.079
I I think I mentioned this.
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:53.440
I wanna I'm gonna pat myself on the back a little bit because I did say that I think I said it once on the pod, but I I think I I don't remember if I wrote it or not.
00:40:53.679 --> 00:41:05.119
But going into the deadline, or like going into the month of July, I said like if they play the draft right and if they play the deadline right, uh, they might have a top five farm system in baseball.
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.880
And according to baseball America, they do now have a top five farm system in baseball.
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.920
It is easily one of the better farm systems that this team has had in quite some time.
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.840
You're shaking your head a little bit.
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.840
No, I'm I'm I'm I am pondering a little bit.
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.840
I am thinking about whether I agree with top five.
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.760
Um Do you agree with this with the concept of borderline top five?
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:28.400
How about that?
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.000
Yes, I think that that's fair.
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.159
I think definite top ten, and here's what I here's what you cannot dispute.
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:39.280
A year and a half ago, undisputed bottom five.
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:39.920
Absolutely.
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:53.679
You know, and so whether it's top ten, whether it's top five, whatever, that is quite the leap to make um without a bunch of top draft picks, right?
00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:03.920
Yeah, they did have Flora, but yeah, and w with with this draft though, it was you know kind of you know finding themselves in advantageous spots.
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.719
They obviously drafted Carson Bowman with the pick that from the Patrick Bailey trade.
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:15.519
Uh they signed Josuar Gonzalez two years ago, now well actually last year, and then they signed Luis Hernandez earlier this year.
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:23.679
Uh, wrote a story for Mercury News, go check it out about Joshua and Luis, kind of the differences about them, what makes them kind of unique as players and personalities.
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.800
Uh Jackson Flora pitched in they call it the bridge league, I guess you can call it the instructs, whatever you want to call it.
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:29.599
He pitched on Saturday.
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.920
It's still kind of nebulous whether he's gonna pitch or not this year, but he was the fourth overall pick.
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:40.000
Uh, wrote about uh Peyton Bonds as well, the nephew of Barry Bonds, the grandson of Bobby Bonds.
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:47.360
Um, so there is just a lot of talent in this farm system that they just didn't have uh about as you mentioned a year and a half ago.
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:54.800
And again, it kind of speaks to like this really weird position where you know the kids in the system, like that's the priority right now.
00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:08.719
And like, yes, you want to win at the major league level, but you also don't want to make like find yourself in a position that is disadvantageous for them, whether that means signing like a somebody that like could block a position later on.
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.400
That was the whole thing with Luisa Rise and why it didn't make sense to sign an extension.
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:28.400
But what has your kind of just general gist been, you know, impressions been about the pharmacist on the whole, some of the individual guys here, and just you know, the amount of I guess general optimism that the Giants fans can have, despite a season being as bad as it is.
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:43.119
Yeah, and honestly, like until this year, and of course, when you are able to pick at the top um with Flora, and I thought that that was absolutely what I would have done in that in that position.
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:44.800
Big believer in him.
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.280
Um obviously works out that he grew up a Giants fan, that only makes it better.
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.920
Um, but I just like I really haven't been liking their drafts.
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.079
And I mean, I don't that's not just me.
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.880
I mean, they haven't produced a whole lot over the last few years.
00:43:58.960 --> 00:43:59.840
That's not exactly a season.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.079
Secret uh at the top of the draft, even in some of the middle uh picks.
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.599
Obviously, they hit on Bryce.
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:13.119
That was someone who I was kind of more on, and he's he's he is clearly out exceeded my expectations this year.
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:13.920
I was low on him.
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.079
He's a building block, like he's super impressive.
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:17.119
That's great.
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.440
Other than that, like you've got some interesting picks.
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.039
You've got some that you've, of course, already traded away in James Tibbs.
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:28.960
Keelan, another one that I've been low on historically, he's having a good season.
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:37.519
I still would need to see a lot to think about him as like an impact player, the way that I do think, of course, Gonzalez, maybe Hernandez, but certainly, certainly Josuar.
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.400
But the pitching is really what's exciting, just the different levels of pitching.
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.440
Because offensively, there's still just not a whole lot at the upper levels.
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.639
I know Keelan's sort of making his way there, but I still consider him more of a role player long term.
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.440
Whereas, yeah, you talk about the the kids at the bottom.
00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:01.039
Whereas pitching, you've got the college guys, you've got the high school guys, not just Bullman, but Wectors, another someone who some uh teams saw as a first-round talent.
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.440
The trade to get Ramon Marquez.
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:09.440
Um, another trade that now I don't know how much you've talked about Jacob Bresnahan, but he's an interesting arm.
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.360
Um just got promoted to double A.
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:12.320
Just got promoted.
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:14.480
Uh Kate, what is it, Kayner Martinez?
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:15.519
Kanar Martinez.
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:16.639
Kainer Martinez.
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:23.199
So they've got a now, but it's still not a whole lot where you're like you're competing for a rotation spot next year.
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:28.639
But I mean, if Jackson Flora, I mean, if they want to let him roll here, it's not crazy.
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:35.039
I mean, we've seen a lot of guys, college pitchers at the top of the draft, that get to the big leagues in a year, year and a half.
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.760
So it's not impossible to say he could be an option by the end of next season.
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.199
But that's where it's exciting.
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:51.840
It's just, again, it's just hard to talk about it in terms of the timeline, but with the rest of the team and the pressure to win and or the urgency to win, um, that said, it's all still really good stuff.
00:45:52.159 --> 00:46:20.480
And now I think, okay, so you've done well in the acquisition, but now it is going to be an interesting matter of coaching and development in the minors, and then development in the majors, which is a huge part of winning major league baseball games, and clearly something that not just the Giants have struggled with, but some of the other teams that you think about why some teams are able to be so good, it's that players are still getting better once they get to the majors or breaking out and they're better in the majors than they ever were in the minors.
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:25.119
That's happening for teams like the Brewers and Rays and Guardians and so on and so forth.
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:41.599
So I still don't know like about the depth of this, but the the trades in this draft have really like a year ago, before this deadline in the draft, it was like there was things to be excited about, but it still felt shallow.
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.639
Now you've sort of filled it in where it looks more like a top five farm system.
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:55.760
Like I said, I still don't know if it has the depth of what I would normally consider a top five farm system, but there's plenty to be excited about the top that I can understand if you prefer those top heavy groups.
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.440
Then yeah, sure, I I see it.
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:03.119
Yeah, and you know this more than anyone is you know, you're not gonna not all these guys are gonna hit.
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:09.039
Like that's just three out of like we cannot say definitively who, but like you're not gonna hit on all these guys.
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.239
But I I disagree with the notion that like the draft and like everything is like a crapshoot.
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:22.400
I I kind of liken it more to like a lottery in the sense that the more kind of scratches you have, the higher probability that like one of these guys is gonna hit.
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:30.000
And I'm gonna go back to something that you know friend of the program Julian McWilliams said in the last podcast when he was talking about the the Red Sox big three.
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.760
You know, generally speaking, someone's not gonna be good, someone's gonna be okay, and someone's gonna be really good.
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:44.880
So if the more guys that you can have, it's like uh one of these guys is like physically speaking, one of these guys to pan out.
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:45.440
It's totally true.
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.880
And they're right, and Johnny Levell's the other one who I should have mentioned.
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.960
Um obviously he's having a a terrific season.
00:47:53.440 --> 00:48:04.960
And you know, I mean, I've always been a I've been a Dakota Jordan fan for a while, so I mean it's he's definitely has a lot to prove at the upper levels, but um yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of exciting names.
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:16.000
Um and and and then there's also some uh some deep cuts, the the Scotty Banduras of the world, the uh the uh the the Hunter Dryden.
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.639
I mean they got they got a few they got more than just Turner Hill.
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:27.920
They got I think three or four or five deep division three guys uh in this organization, which I'm uh always gonna be biased towards.
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:34.239
But um, yeah, and and then Seth Lonswick, another I mean he's now I'm just talking about anyone that's from Ohio, basically.
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.239
But um so you you mentioned Turner Hill.
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:39.280
I I know you want to talk.
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.920
You you texted me about Turner Hill specifically.
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.320
So I'm gonna I'm I'm I'm dishing you to rock.
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:44.880
We're calling it a little bit more.
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:49.280
Yeah, let me let me do Turner Hill and then I'll do it for the people who don't know Turner Hill.
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.400
Sure, sure.
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.079
Yeah, I mean I mean, what a freaking what a freaking story.
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.679
So so again, it's if those unfamiliar, like I I think you know, division three baseball is something I'm very passionate about.
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:13.360
I went to a division three school in Ohio, and so anyone that makes it out of that level to be even an affiliated ball is amazing, uh, especially now more than ever because the draft got shortened because there are fewer spots in Pro Bowl than ever, to stand out at that level.
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:20.159
Um, you know, even before nowadays, also Turner Hill, I should mention, he was at Marietta College.
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:21.280
He's from Marietta, Ohio.
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:29.440
Marietta is essentially the Division III Yankees, like they're the Yankees of Division III, they've won a bunch of World Series and also like the Yankees, haven't won as much recently.
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.679
But they used to be used to be dominant, always dominant the regular season.
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.800
The OAC is one of the best conferences in Division III baseball.
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:46.000
But the cool thing about Turner Hill from Marietta originally wasn't good enough to play at Marietta, even D3 goes D2, which I know is above D3.
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:48.079
Or sorry, I should clarify.
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:49.679
Was he good enough to play at Marietta?
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.480
Why he started at Malone, which is another school or not, I can let him tell that story.
00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:04.159
Um, I don't know Turner personally, but this is someone that following Marietta because I went to school with D3 School in Ohio is just Marietta is just a school that always has my attention.
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:10.639
And then Turner Hill transferred back home, basically, uh to Marietta College and was just unbelievable.
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:17.599
And one of the even with essentially no power, was one of the best D3 hitters I've ever seen or followed.
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.320
He had like a 500 on base percentage um for his last two seasons.
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.639
Uh yeah, five, five fifteen on base percentage over his last two seasons.
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:32.719
So on base all the time, stealing a bunch of bags, impossible to strike out, just such a fun player.
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:40.639
But it was like the kind of skill set that you're like, okay, maybe he could get signed, but I he doesn't this doesn't look like a major leaguer, right?
00:50:40.880 --> 00:51:02.800
And for him to do that and just keep doing that all the way up to be an undrafted free agent to sign, um, and then to just keep finding ways on base all the way up through the minors to where 384 OBP in the minor leagues before he got called up um in you know almost 400 games is just so impressive.
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:04.880
So uh just a really cool one.
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.639
And and I knew he'd been in the Giants org for a while, but I'd kind of lost track.
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.159
So when I saw that he got called up, I was just like, that's the coolest thing ever.
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.039
So that that uh that that had me pretty fired up.
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.719
And kind of a product of you know a lot of guys being injured.
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:23.519
Again, you could probably field like an entire lineup and then some with the amount of guys that are injured.
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.840
Like he's gotten a fair amount of opportunities.
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:34.400
And after going three for four today with well, just three for four, no RBI, he's currently batting 318 with a 907 OPS.
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:40.480
And again, small sample size, you say what you will, but I as you mentioned, just to get to this point, regardless.
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:50.320
That's the thing, and it's like I don't know if this is just the blip of okay, oh we're in three years, I'm like, oh, remember Turner Hill just because this was his only opportunity.
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:56.000
But there's also like a 10% chance that like he's just gonna be in the big leagues for the next 10 years because or next five.
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:59.760
I know he's a lot older, so you know, I won't say 10 years, but maybe, right?
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:09.760
I mean, it's it's worked for now, you know, seven, eight years running, and and he's found a way to to figure it out and and to be impactful and to draw walks and to not strike out.
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.199
And um it's just it's just so cool.
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.760
So uh who knows what what's next for him.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:31.360
Obviously, the fact that he makes it is amazing enough in its own, and and uh now it's you know now in theory, this is it's just so cool because it's like it's both the end of an amazing story and potentially the beginning of an amazing story, right?
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:31.679
Right.
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:40.000
I mean, this this is true for anyone that gets called up, but I think for someone who who charted a very unique path like him, I think it really uh it really sums it up well.
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:41.039
Um so yeah.
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:53.039
And I think if you're gonna take like any silver linings away from this Giants season or kind of just try to look for the positives, is that it has afforded a lot of guys to really have their moment.
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.280
Like if the Giants were healthy and they were competing, like Turner Hill wouldn't get this moment.
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:02.800
And they're like, Yeah, like I think if you gave anybody in the upfront office Truth Serum and said, like, hey, what would you rather have?
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:09.840
Like a bunch of guys making their debuts or 90 wins, they would say 90 wins, like respectfully to hell with everybody else.
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:10.320
Totally.
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.800
But this is the reality we live in.
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:18.480
And you know, speaking to the debuts, like this past weekend, we saw three different guys make their major league debuts.
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:23.280
Braxton Roxby, who was the first guy to come from the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown.
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:24.800
I've been to Johnstown.
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:26.800
It's like an hour from Pittsburgh.
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:27.519
D2.
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:28.079
Yep.
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.559
Uh Seth Lonsway and Junior Marte.
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.159
And Marte in particular was called up straight from double A.
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:47.039
And you know, the convenient or the timing, the coincidence of his first start happening after Jeff Kent's ceremony was that Juan Marischal was in attendance.
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:51.199
Like the first Dominican, first foreign born Hall of Famer.
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:58.159
And it's funny, Marchal actually did not know that Marte was starting, so he like walked up to him before he started and just giving him some tips.
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:09.360
And then he goes out and throw like fours at four and a third innings, he allows one run, he doesn't get the win, but like he pitched, he was excellent, he dedicated the game to his late brother who passed away last year.
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:18.639
So it's just another, like, really like again, we we we've been for justifiably for a lot of justifiable reasons.
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:20.719
This has been an overloadingly bad season.
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:26.079
There's a lot of reasons to be negative, but these are the cool moments that you try to find over the course of a season like this.
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.239
And and again, like these moments wouldn't be possible.
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.199
It's it's the it's it's the black and white, it's a nuance.
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:38.880
Like these moments would not happen for the Turner Hills, the Braxton Roxbys, the Junior Martes of the world, if not things going the way they are.
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.559
So if nothing else, you do get the moments like this.
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.800
Uh second junior Marte, of course, in Giants history.
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.639
Yes, so there's there's also the union Marte from the Eric Miller trade.
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.559
So these are these are different guys, same names, different guys.
00:54:54.880 --> 00:55:00.639
This one came from the Mike Yastremski trade, who was now on the Braves, who again, as I mentioned, lost the Giants.
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.159
And you know, I think spiritually we're just gonna say this is a three-game sweep for the Giants.
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:05.760
I don't I don't two games, one game.
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.320
I refuse to accept that.
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:10.960
Um I have one more topic.
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:12.159
I have a bonus topic.
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:19.039
Uh I mean, again, we could talk all night, but I need to go, so I want to make sure I squeeze in my favorite topic or my new bonus topic.
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:20.559
This will be where we end.
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:21.840
I am so very excited.
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.239
I have absolutely no idea what this bonus topic is.
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:28.079
So, one thing that it's actually perfect.
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:29.920
What's the name of this podcast?
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:32.559
Splash Considerations.
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.079
So I'm pretty obsessed with splash hits.
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:36.559
Yes.
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:37.679
I don't know if you I don't know if you know.
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:38.719
For a good reason.
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.000
They rule.
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.280
And I haven't for a very long time.
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:51.599
But recently I have really taken it upon me to like do some pretty serious splash hit research.
00:55:52.480 --> 00:56:10.159
And so it's still in progress, but the point is, um I I I've basically have all the splash hits in a spreadsheet, and I'm I'm putting in all the SACCAS data for all of them and all of the notes and whatever.
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:17.199
As you probably know, there is and and and the reason I'm bringing this up now is because we've had like five in the last two weeks.
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:28.000
Yeah, it's it's been really weird because you know, I think the Giants entered the season at 108, and they're currently at 111, and like the majority of them have come, and it's not just the Giants either.
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.880
Like, there was the player on the player on the reds, yes.
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.360
Somebody else had one as a visitor.
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:35.360
I can't remember who it was, but somebody else had one.
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.400
Aha ha ha.
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:37.280
Okay, okay.
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.159
You're getting you're leading me right where I want to go.
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.679
So splash hits, where do we what is our source for splash hits?
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:52.880
Because I think it's a great thing that we have on the internet is that the giants have a site, they have a page, they have a whole page dedicated to it.
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:59.039
You alluded to the of course the famous scoreboard in the outfield that's only counting the Giants ones, though, right?
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.360
Only the Giants, no Versailles.
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.280
That would be kind of depressing if you were a Giants pitcher and then the thing.
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.920
However, right, that's true.
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:09.519
I think I know where you're going with this.
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.039
I think I know where you're going with this.
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:13.039
Uh maybe you do, maybe you don't.
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:20.559
Um that the list online though has has been very inconsistent.
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.280
And in fact, is missing.
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.920
Maybe this is just a plea to Giants PR.
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.199
But with my own research, it is currently still missing.
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:33.440
In fact, it has since in I'm just gonna pull it up right now, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.079
See, I just think this is so weird.
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:45.280
If you go and look on the official Giants website, it includes Do this right now, do this right now.
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:46.320
See, see if you notice anything.
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:48.320
There's a couple things.
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:49.840
There's a couple things that you're gonna notice.
00:57:50.559 --> 00:58:06.719
From what I can tell, all the ones on the Giants website or sorry, all the ones that are Giants splash hits, from what I can tell, are correct, with the exception of one detail to what I can find.
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:07.360
Okay.
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:08.800
This is a funny one.
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:10.960
Again, this is just me going back and finding it.
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:18.159
If you go to the Giants splash hits, do you see the one um on uh number 80?
00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:19.599
Number 80.
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:20.800
Scooter Jeanette.
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:22.000
Scooter Jeanette.
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.480
Okay, you see how it says it was off Jake Arietta?
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:25.440
Yes.
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:27.039
Wasn't off Jake Arietta.
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:29.840
Wait, hold hold hold on, hold on.
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:35.519
I wanna I'm gonna look at who so but but but that that one was it was off Ranger Suarez.
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.079
Jake Arietta did pigeon that game, but he did not allow it up.
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:41.360
So, you know, stolen valor, however you want to call it.
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:42.880
Okay.
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:44.000
So that's the same thing.
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:45.280
Same to the embarrassment, I guess.
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:46.880
Strange, right, exactly.
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:47.519
Okay.
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:54.559
But even stranger to me is that, and again, I'm not even like saying this is some sort of conspiracy, I'm just confused.
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:59.840
Uh the other home runs hit into Maccabi Cove.
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:05.360
We have the Lars Newt Bar Grand Slam.
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:11.599
We do not have Hector Rodriguez going like to the frickin' to Oakland.
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.599
Yeah, this is weird because I could have sworn.
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:24.239
I I could have sworn that when that splash hit happened, I think they said it was like 80 by a visitor.
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:25.280
Okay.
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.760
Well, I think it was probably 70.
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:29.360
I think it was 70 by a visitor.
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:30.880
I think it was 80.
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:32.800
I think well, okay, I might be wrong.
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:33.760
I might be wrong.
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:40.159
It's based on my sheet, it was 70 because this is also missing Gavin Sheets.
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Gavin Sheets also had one this year, and that is also not on here, and I don't know.
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That's who it was.
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So that, and then also Landon Roop's name being misspelled, um just makes this one of the stranger web pages uh of any website.
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So there's my bonus content for you.
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That this is fascinating bonus content.
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And um, so you can choose to pass along to Giants PR or not, that's fine.
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Um but all of which is to say this is how I'm this is how I'm where I'm gonna finish this.
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Because we didn't this could be its own longer conversation, but I'm just gonna finish on you you pat yourself in the back earlier, I'm gonna do it for me too.
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Rafi Devers.
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Yes.
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What an absolute freaking beast.
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This dude is so freaking cool.
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And now he is going to rack up Splash Hits for the Like this guy, okay.
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So the I I'm trying I I believe after Bonds the most is is it Yastremsky?
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Um I will let's do that quickly.
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Um Yaz with eight.
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Yaz with eight.
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Uh no, Brandon Belt with ten.
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I lied.
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Um Rafi, Brandon Bell has ten, Sandoval eight, Yastremsky seven, Lamont Wade six, Jock Peterson six.
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Rafi is up to three.
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But like, he ain't going anywhere.
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And he shouldn't.
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He's gonna rack him up, and and uh and I just it just brings me amidst this disaster him being one of the best hitters in baseball for the last basically since May 1st.
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Since May He sucked in April?
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It was bad.
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It was it was awful in April in the start of May.
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Since then, he has been incredible.
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And not that it's like I was the only person that knew the Rafi Devers rakes, but I'm just glad that he is finding a way.
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I mean, I'm finding a way, I'm not surprised.
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This is what he does.
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This is what he does.
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This is what he's done for makes me happy entire career.
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And actually, again, going to the speaking to the game that happened today, he hit his 30th homework of the year today, and quick that was not even September.
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So that was the point I'm gonna make.
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So he the Giants went more than 20 years without having a 30 home run hitter, and now they've had back-to-back years with William Adamas last year, and Rafi's done it before even getting to September.
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This is he's the Giants PR just passed along a very interesting note during the game.
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Uh, he is now one of 11 Giants to have a 30 homer, 30 double season.
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There have been 24 instances he's one of 11 Giants to do so.
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And would you be shocked if by the end of the season he's got a 40-40 season?
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He's got 40 homers, 40 doubles.
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I wouldn't.
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Like, he's had like an upwards of a 900 OPS since May.
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And again, like you can you can get into like a longer conversation, like a more nuanced, again, black, white, gray, about what would this Giants season look like if we had gotten something closer to this version of Devers from this from the jump?
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Like, what happens?
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Patrick Ba maybe Patrick Bailey doesn't get traded, yada yada, yada, but he has been good.
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And considering that he's going to be here for a while, uh, this is a very encouraging for him to really hit his stride here and prove that there is still a lot left in the tank for Rafi Devers.
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And listen, does it mean it's a good contract?
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No, but who cares about that?
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You that's that's not your problem.
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All if you're a Giants fan, what you should care about is the baseball players being good for the Giants, and Rafael Devers is doing that right now.
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So it reminds me of the um what it's gonna look like in 2032, whatever.
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Like we'll get there when we get there.
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It reminds me of that one tweet when it's like uh a fat, like a it's like a hypothetical situation, like a father's like taking his son to a game, he's like, shut up, kid, I'm calculating expected ER.
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Right.
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It's like when he hits a bomb, like you're not thinking about like what he's making in like 2029, like you're thinking about the bomb.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Thank you.
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You're thinking about the bombs.
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You're you're appreciating the man for hitting it out of the park and Jordan Schusterman.
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I always appreciate it when you come on here and you also hit one out of the park.
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Jordan, where can we find your work?
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:08.079
Yahoo! Sports baseball barbacks three times a week, all kinds of stuff coming up uh with October.
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And um, yes, subscribe to Justice on YouTube and subscribe to our new YouTube channel.
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Uh Yahoo launched a new channel just for our pod, Yahoo Sports MLB.
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Um, so yeah, we'd love the support over there.
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You can watch all of our pods, also some bonus content over there.
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So that's where I'm at.
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Thank you, sir.
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This was uh and we could have we could have done another three hours, but I think the Giants post I mean listen, Giants scoreless ninth inning while we recorded this is a beautiful thing.
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And um, I hope when you see them in Pittsburgh this week, you know, you you you give them give them some love for that scoreless ninth.
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Maybe they can get the ninth inning ERA under six this week.
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Maybe you never know, but you know, while the summer is coming to an end, the barbecue boys still getting at it.
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Justice Del Santos, Jordan Schusterman, Splash Considerations podcast.
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We will catch you in the next one.
