Wheelin' With Dylan: Navigating Life and Community After SCI With Leduar

Leah Holderbaum: Okay. to the Ally Program podcast where today's segment of Wheelin' with Dylan, we have our friend L D that's was nice enough to join us today. he's in Miami, so I was able to he's right around Corner, not too far from Tampa, so I drove here today and I'm really happy to be with him. How you doing today? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's the same here. So if you don't mind telling people, or I I'll tell people real quick. I went to Lynn Rehab in Miami. It's a spinal cord injury you know, facility or or rehab, I guess, and I was outside and I saw you and and a coup a couple of your buddies hanging out talking and I think that's one kind of cool thing about the spinal cord injury community is like you see someone in a chair and it's like we don't really hes have to hesitate too much. So I I came and said what's up. but it was nice meeting you there and I'm glad we be able to keep in touch a little bit. And you mind telling everybody kinda what you were even doing there and how you kind of ha have stayed involved in the community, especially the spinal cord injury community? so that specific day we were I it was actually one of our meeting days for the spinal cord injury support group. and we had just finished up the meeting. We were just hanging out waiting for one of their rides and you happen to show up and we make good friends there. So I I like to bother people when they see they're having a good time. I'm like all right I'm gonna come bother them. Because you're the the VP of of the group, right? how how does that kind of work? yeah so I I got involved with with the support group probably two, two and a half years ago. it just kinda happened. like a lot of the things I I do now. I just opportunity shows up and I say yes. Yeah. so I just I started off at as an advisor and then from there moved up to VP and now we're just trying to keep it going, you know? Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. So what do you do kind of as a peer support mentor? What's what's your kind of job and goal? so we all kind of share a lot of responsibilities. but it's a lot of just planning. Planning different events, different fundraisers, getting the c community together. you know, it's just building that community in in our area. That's awesome. That's awesome. So I I want to rewind a little bit and I'd love to maybe even jump back into that. so you did rehab yourself at Lynn Rehab, right? Yes. Okay, cool. And how how long ago was that? so I've been injured four and a half years now. And I went straight to Lynn Rehab. had my ICU at Jackson Hospital and then went straight into rehab there at Lynn. okay, awesome. And if you don't want me asking I know it's been about four years now, how how did you get hurt? So I got hurt in a car accident. I fell asleep driving, ran off the road, broke C s C four to C seven. I'm a C seven quad now. Okay. C seven complete. Okay. Alright, and and you've really done a lot then for consistent. Considering it's been four years. I mean when I talk to you, you're very active and it seems like you've gotten a lot done. You have goals that you're you're close to accomplishing already and stuff like that. is do you have any advice or maybe remember what got what got you to kind of get going so so quickly? well, my family was a big part of it. They always supported me, but I guess just always say yes to to the new opportunities. Like whatever came my way, whether was a different sport or peer support group a opportunities or anything. Anything that came by I just said yes. Yeah. And that's how I've done pretty much everything I've I've been doing so now. It's it's quite a bit. I've been anywhere from like table tennis to rugby to archery and scuba diving to you know, going back to school, you know, it's everything. Wow it's been a busy four years. Wow, that's awesome. Well you you keep busy, that's good though. That that's awesome. do you have a favorite a favorite sport? One that you're particularly kind of play the most, maybe or rugby is my main sport. Okay. that's the sport that really got me really out there and met a lot of people do there. but rugby is definitely my favorite and it's the one that that I've stuck to the most. Awesome. I know that's a very competitive sport. Yes it is. I already know what kind of person you are just by saying that you're into rugby. that that's that's great. w what do you like about the sport and do you do you play any sports b before your injury? So before my injury I didn't really do a lot of sports. I did like you know, I played for fun with some friends. I did like a little bit of wrestling in like middle school. but never really was into a lot of sports. after my injury I had a great recreational therapist and she really pushed me to you know, I did five K's and then she's like, I know this person for table tennis and was I guess I'll do table tennis. Yeah. He was like, I got someone for botcha, let's do botcha and tennis and then I met one of the other guys through therapy. and he was a rugby player and he's like, you know, you seem like you you seem to fit the rugby like type pretty good. Yeah. And I got in the chair with him and we just went off from there. Wow. That's awesome. That's awesome. And if you don't asking I'm I'm kind of like I have thought about this and I haven't asked anyone about it. So the table tennis, is it like adaptive table tennis at all or is it just kind of on a normal table or how does that work? you use a normal table. Okay. some people use like different chairs, like specialized chairs. Really? that you sit up higher so you're it's easier to reach over the table. for me, like I have to like my hands don't work that well. Mm-hmm. So I have to like find a way to attach the racket to my hands. god, okay, adapt. but for the most part that's pretty much it. Everything else is normal. Okay, awesome, that's cool. And then I know With rugby, if you're part of a team, you must travel a good amount, huh? We've traveled quite a bit. I've done couple different states now. A I wanna say two or three different states already, that I haven't been to before just because of rugby. That's cool. So I mean, I understand, you know, getting a spinal cord injury it's it's it's n nothing nobody wants to do it, you know, that it happens, but it seems like a lot of doors have opened for you and you've been able to even travel and get around a a bit, huh? Yes. honestly th the spinal cord injury opened up way more doors than I could ever imagine. Yeah. And like it's pretty crazy to say but I'm kinda happy like that it happened because all these people that I've met, all these o doors that opened, you know, I found my passion for, you know, what I want to do in life. People that I would see myself spending the rest of my life with. So like it's been it's been a good four years. That's awesome. Four years but it's been good. Yeah, of course. That's a that's a really good way of looking at it 'cause it's it's one of the things like, you know We don't want to have a spot on cordial energy, whatever the case is. But you know, I've said this before, like even on this podcast, it it changes kind of the person you are, but it gives you like a whole new perspective. yeah. And almost appreciation for life and like you kinda put your priorities straight. You know, after you have like in your case probably almost a li and something that could end your life, a car car accidents and stuff like that, I got in a car accident as well, that's how I got hurt. They're nothing to play with. so when it kinda it's kind of a wake up call, especially when you're younger, you're like, what what am I gonna do? What what what's what's important in life, right? Yeah no, I got injured at twenty one. I was just figuring out kinda what I wanted to do. And then this happened. You know you know, in a blink of an eye, yeah. Y your whole life changes, you have to redo everything and relearn everything you you knew once before and then you kinda figure out the new things that you wanna go into. Yeah. Yeah. That's all that's awesome. Is there any anything that sticks out in your mind over the past couple of years that Maybe a goal that you achieved that you were really happy about, or maybe something that you had trouble with at first when you kinda suffer from spinal cord injury that you were able to navigate and figure out that you kinda look back on and you're kinda proud of? I like to celebrate all the the victories, so like everything from you know, I in the start everything's hard. Yeah. And then the my first time transferring out of my chair on my own, you know, I fell a couple times before but once I got it down You know, that I I celebrated and that was I was ecstatic about that. when I went back to school, you know, I was like, I don't know if I should but once I started like it was going good and then going to campus and meeting all these people and like being out in the in public a as a wheelchair user for the first time, it's kinda daunting. Celebrated that. Started driving again. All those little wins are huge for me. Yeah, that's good again. You say little wins but like they're big. You know, they mean a lot. They're huge. I mean Like you said. Especially the moment. Yeah. Yeah, in the moment. It's like it's huge. I remember for me so transferring was like you said, at first that's hard enough. Yeah. but then breaking down your chair into your car. That was a big one for me. So I just started breaking down my chair into the car. I I I drove a a van with a ramp till I wanna say Couple months ago, like two or three months ago. Yeah. And I just started bringing it down so it's like another big win. I was like, yeah, I'm able to put this carry in my car on my own, you know? That's a huge win. I mean either way obviously it works. I say breaking down my chair 'cause that's just kinda what's a work for me, but it took me a while to get there. Especially 'cause like I when I got hurt it was around COVID when I started to really need to break down my chair and how many places were we really going? And so I almost got like lazy with it. And like I didn't really want to go. I lived in the middle of nowhere so I also could low key leave my chair. I don't recommend this but it was pretty much in the country where I lived where I can just kinda keep my chair like in the parking lot and I can like go dr go drive like a Dunkin' Donuts drive there or something like that. So I was doing everything to just be kinda lazy about it. I'm like I don't wanna do this. And then finally I'm like one day I'm like, all right, I well I gotta go somewhere and I gotta do my thing. So that's awesome. I you're the small victories really do count. I saw like even like opening the door. Yeah. it's so easy it's kinda second hand nature to me. Obviously there's some like doors are like be a little bit more difficult. Second hand nature, but I remember how hard that was at first, you know. But do you have any advice to anyone who who and you probably do 'cause especially being in like a peer support program that you are anyone who just gets hurt and some of these tasks are daunting and stuff like that, do you have any kind of advice that you kinda give them to help them look at things a little bit more optimistically, maybe? just keep trying. Yeah. Just be stubborn. Like it's gonna be frustrating. Just keep doing it until you maybe you're not gonna do it the same way that you used to, but keep doing it until you figure out a different way to do it. Yeah. You have to be stubborn in with a a disability and any disability. Yeah. Exactly. I feel like like growing up for me, when people like my family would say like I'm very stubborn and it f it was always kind of a negative context. It was not really a good thing, but w it ended up being super helpful for us once no we got spinal cord injuries, right? Being stubborn is like a big part of it. You have to be I mean let's not say stubborn 'cause it has that neg negative connotation. Like you have to be what's the other word for it? I don't know. I I'm really bad with vocab if vocabulary I'm not Yeah, no, I mean I I am too. That's why I I just say stubborn I persistent. Persistent everyone else. That's a more positive positive way of looking at it. You have to be persistent. Yeah, gotta be persistent. Well that's awesome. You've been persistent and you know you've You've reached a lot of those little goals and those big goals. is there anything that you're looking forward to now? Like you said you're in school. Yeah. do you mind telling us kinda your your school journey, what what you're doing now, what you've done in the past, maybe? so I'm doing engineering now, electrical engineering. I should be graduating next December. Congrats. fingers crossed and goal right now, which is gonna be tough, but graduate with honors, academic honors, so huge. That's the g big biggest goal right now that I have. That's awesome. all my energy's going to that. Yeah. So it's sweet. And then after that, well what what what do you have you even thought about that yet? Or you're just so locked in on school or what w what have you what's the big picture for you? I am always thinking about that. cool. My my goal is to go into something with like biomed type stuff. So I wanna do a lot of things for our community. things like splits for hands or like the implants would be something cool to go into, exosuits, anything that can help us, even if it's just like modifications for a car or like wheelchairs, anything like that, I would go into happily. Wow, that that would be awesome. I would love to. That's cool. So you really gotten yourself in you know involved in the community and stuff like that and I remember for me when I c when I first got hurt, it was important to have somebody, at least one person, multiple people are is helpful. at least one person who has a spinal cord injury themselves who can kinda relate, someone that you can kinda talk to and ask questions and stuff like that. What has the spinal cord injury meant to you and why do you think it's so important for someone who is newly injured and stuff like that to kinda get involved in the community as much as they can? I mean the biggest help of finding these all these people and like finding that community is learning from others' mistakes. not even mistakes, but you just learn from everyone. You know, there's so many things that you don't know at the beginning that you're trying to learn. Ask someone, you know. Even the most random questions like, yo, how do you lock your chair? How do you like move your leg? You know all these little things help out a lot and Being able to ask someone about this is huge. Yeah. If you don't have that, you're just struggling through it on your own. Yeah, no, that's true. I mean, everyone has to do things differently in their own way, obviously, right? And they have to figure out what works best for them. Right. But it does make it a lot easier if you can kinda see how other people have trialed and error and see what works for them and maybe you you start off like for example transfers. Right. Maybe you start off doing taking some advice from them and doing it and but then you tweak it to your own kinda like that starting point, you know, if you don't have anything, you're working from a blank, it's hard to to find that way. But once you kinda see how it works, then you can kinda tweak it on your own and make it your own way. Yeah. but it definitely helps to have that starting point. Yeah, that's awesome. that that's what we we really enjoy doing on this podcast and the Ally like program that we have in general. I we have a community online that we encourage everybody to go and and chat and ask questions, ask each other questions, you know, how you do different things, how you get it done. But we love having on, you know, guests like you too who who are living it, a living proof that, you know, it it can work. you just kinda kinda you know, do things your own way. but any so you you you know you've overcome challenges and you ha you have a lot of goals in the future and it's super exciting to be able to be able to hear some of those so I'd love We'd love to follow your journey even maybe maybe you know, in the future I'm sure we'll continue to talk to you and stuff and stuff and stuff like that. but I I'd like to go back to the peer support part of it as well because I find it very interesting that so you're talking to people right when they first get hurt, all right? Yeah. Pretty much. Pretty much. They're w weeks, you know, maybe mu longest probably a month out. Yeah. but it's usually weeks. Yeah. So what what do you kinda keep in mind when you when you're talking to those who you know who first get hurt, because I'm sure there's a lot going on in their mind. Is it do they normally have a lot of questions for you because they're like, Whoa, you've been in a chair for a couple of years or how how does it work I know everybody's different, but what have you kind of experienced? So everyone starts off a little different, but in those first few weeks, I mean, you went to it, I went to it. You don't want to talk to anyone. You were just going through your own thing, you're trying to figuring stuff out on your own. You don't wanna talk to anyone, you don't want to meet anyone. So when I first meet these people it's just keep a light. Hey, hello, how you doing? Yeah. What do you like how's therapy going? How's this going? Have you figured this out? If they have questions that's great. but a lot of people don't, it's like, it's nice to meet you. Yeah. And then they leave it at that. Yeah. They'll come back couple of months later and like, I remember you and then they go into the questions and re we really connect there. Yeah. But those first few times it's it's kinda hard to Yeah. It's a lot to take in, obviously. Like I know I was like super overwhelmed with everything. I probably had some questions, but it's like you're kind of like in fight or flight mode almost. I feel like you're just trying to try to survive and you're not really think But then you go home. And that's when it really hits. That's when it hits. That's when every reality hits and now you gotta figure it out. Yeah. For you, how was it like once you got home? Like did your mindset change at all or did you just kinda like realize like, I got a lot to figure out? there was definitely a lot to figure out. but I mean I was from the very start, like I I didn't really think about it. Kinda blocked that whole emotional side out, was like, all right, what do I have to do? Yeah to keep moving forward. So I I never really stopped even from like early days in in rehab. Yeah. so going home was just like more therapy, more stuff to do, stay busy. Yeah. You know, day by day. Well, it's awesome that you put yourself out there. in your community, so here in Miami specifically, to people for them to reach out to you and stuff like that because it's true, it's normally couple months I'd say down the road typically. Once you get home and settled in, is when those questions start hitting a little bit. and that's why it's good that I mean we have the internet too even now. It's like the Ally program, obviously, that's on the internet. That's something that you log into and there there's articles and stuff like that for you to look at. But we also have like influencers and and people like showing you how they they break down their chair and stuff like that. But it's important to try to stay involved in that because you don't like you don't want to feel alone. Because you're very much not. You're just talking about a we were talking earlier about a the spinal cord injury, like peer support, like kind groups that you guys have. Yeah. Do you mind talking to that and telling me kind of about the attendance that you guys have? so the spinal cord injury support group. so I'm the vice president of the Mammy Chapter. We have the Mammy Chapter, the Palm Beach Chapter, and The Brower chapter. Uhhuh. yeah. I think that's it. we'll fact check you later. Yeah. Okay. but we're basically just big support group. We have like our monthly meetings. every every chapter has a different day, but down here in Miami it's Wednesdays at twelve. We do it right there at Lynn Rehub. we just get together. Sometimes it's just a hangout where we're just talking, getting to know each other. Other times we have like presentations and like speakers coming. Anything from like, you know different DMEs and like companies to sports events to, you know, Miami Day emergency centers or who I think. but they just come in and talk and we just kinda hang out, we have some lunch and then it just helps us bring everyone together for that one day. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Huh. That's that's awesome. And and when you're talking to people with spinal cord injuries, you know, they have questions but I know one of them that comes to mind and and this is something that I've taken as my own passion obviously with with and this which is why I work for new motion and stuff like that is a question that comes up a lot is about catheterizing. because it's funny because you use your chair every day and at first you're like, okay I'm gonna be in a wheelchair, you're thinking about not walking, but then it hits you like, I really gotta use these catheters like couple of times a day. it kinda becomes a big part of your life when you travel, you know you kinda have to trav you kinda you ha gotta travel with them, stuff like that. do you ever get into those kind of conversations with people when they're kinda they're in rehab and stuff? All the time. I mean it's one of the first things like how do you go to the bathroom? Are you able to do it alone? Yeah. Like am I always gonna need someone there to help me? And it was like, no. You kinda learn how to do everything yourself from catheters to bow to everything. Yeah. takes a second, but Yeah. Yeah. Your C what again you said? C C seven. C seven. So you have some like dexterity that you have to work with you have a lot to work with. I mean I see you you get around and do everything. but when it comes to like catheterizing and different stuff like that, was that a challenge at first? It was definitely a challenge. I had to find the right one. So they always start you off with like some basic catheters. but when you have like dysfunction in your hands and you can't really grip a lot of stuff You have to find the right one. so I I found the speedy calves, they work the best for me. I don't have to have a bunch of dexterity. Yeah. Become a little tube, it's easy to pack and they come apart pretty easily, so Yeah. That that's good. So that you it's good that you're able to figure f you figured out what worked for you. So that's the good thing about catheters there's so many on the market now. Like an insane amount. And they're always coming up with a new one like every year. For pretty much. I mean at least at least one. but you kinda have to figure out what works best for you. You know, you can't be tied to one specific manufacturer, let's say, or one one brand. you can finally f probably find a brand that works for you, but it's good to have out to lay out all those options. yeah, I'm sure you probably had to try a couple of different ones to figure out what works for you. A lot of them out. Yeah. And then so I found that right one. Yeah. I could use this one but then my buddy uses a c whole different one. He's like, this one's easier for me So I'm like Whatever works. Yeah. Whatever works. As long as you can go, you know? Yeah, yeah, exactly. As long as you're able to empty that bladder and continue to your day. Like you don't want to think that much about it. but at first I mean you do. You gotta f figure out kinda like how what your system is. When you're gonna do it, how you're gonna do it, where are you gonna do it? So much that goes into it. So yeah, that there there really is. Like people don't like think about it generally, but there there is a lot that goes into it. The cool thing is once you have a system, it's something that you try not to think about too much, you can just kinda continue continue your day, but kinda c check your boxes, find the right catheter, find your system, find the timing. So you know, that that's awesome. I'm 'cause I'm sure like people are probably asking you about that all the time because it I mean it's a big deal. It's it's a it's part of the change of life. It's usually one of the first things that people got to Like how can I do this on my own? Yeah, yeah. Well it's good that you're able to be a resource for them and and kind of show them. and and thankfully that's why I love working with New Motion too. We're a supplier. So we supply and carry all these different types of catheters and manufacturers. and we're very involved in spinal cord injury community as well. So it's it's the point of just sending them and showing them samples, different types of catheters and what works for them. And really it's up to you. It's up to us at the end of the day. to figure out what works good. Right. You know, you 'cause you gotta kinda have to mess around with it a little bit, especially if there's any dexterity, but there's a lot that goes into it, more than just even hand function or anything like that. Everything, positioning, yeah. Everything. Everything goes into it. Yeah. And you have to take so much into account for for pretty much anything in this injury. Like Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And and a lot of people I know I did will catch UTIs when you're in the hospital. and then maybe again when you're in rehab and stuff like that. Is there any advice that you give people about UTI prevention? or is that something that comes up as well when you're when you're talking to patients who just suffered a spinal corn injury? I mean UTI prevention it's pretty much the same as anybody body. Drink a bunch water, keep it clean, and do it regularly. Don't don't let it fill up. Don't don't neglect it. You know, keep on top of it. but it's eventually you're gonna get one. Unfortunately it just happens. Absolutely. take care of it as quick as possible. Yeah. Yeah, no. That's that's that's good advice. 'Cause that's one of those things I think sometimes can it can affect your quality of life if it gets out of control. Like if you're getting UTI like super often, it's like you know, you have to stay in almost for like a week or two in your own antibiotics or and sometimes they're bad enough where you have to go to the hospital even. so it's w that's something that we talk about all the time on this podcast, about clean habits, first of all, that's like c clean stereo techniques, washing your hands, stuff like that is can't st stress that enough. but like you said, just drinking water, being healthy, like you said, this is just normal normal. We have to think about a little more, it's true, or but I have to I make it a point to make sure I drink more water. Right. my wife thinks I'm a crazy person 'cause of how much water I drink. because I've actually gotten in a good habit of it where like now I always want it. When before my before I got hurt I'd did not drink any water. I was big big soda coffee guy, so I I struggle with it sometimes, but I do make sure I always have my water bottle with me everywhere I go. So Yeah. It's not the worst thing in the world. Wa water water is good. We we promote h water here on this podcast apparently, so but that that's awesome. So any goals in the future, I know you talked about your like your schooling and and stuff like that, but it could be a sport, it could have to do with you know, your family life, anything like that. Is there anything that you're looking forward to down the road? so for this up upcoming year, obviously, you know, we talked about graduating. Yeah. but we just got involved with WWAR, for our sports team. cool. so we just started this new team and because of how hard school has been recently this last two years, I've kinda neglected that side. so this coming year I definitely wanna get back to, you know, training again, getting more active with the sport, so yeah to really push the team forward. Yeah. Be there for my teammates. That's awesome. So what's involved in if you don't mind me telling 'cause I don't I I've watched rugby but it's not like I I know a ton about it. What does that training kind of involve? pretty much the same thing as any other sport. You know, you're lifting weights to get stronger, you're doing a bunch of cardio, you're doing sprints, And you're in your chair just pushing around. So we use the obviously the adaptive sports chairs, specialized rugby chairs. But you want to get on the court. Okay. Throw that ball around and like learn your plays. That's pretty much all it is. That's awesome. That's cool. I'm sure you've met a lot of cool people along the way and especially like in sports and stuff like that. yeah, it's it's so cool. So part of this injury, like it's yes, there's a lot of people in it, but it's pretty small compared to most communities the whole world, you know? Yeah. so you get to meet all these cool people and you get to train, like I've trained with Paralympians and like multiple time gold medalists and I'm like h this would never happen before. So like even for for table tennis, I was training with a three time per a gold medal paralympian. for the rugby we we train and play with all these people that are on Team USA and all these teams and it's it's the coolest thing ever to to be able to have that moment with a wow. That's awesome. You're making me wanna stop being so lazy and get back into sports now. I play t I play tennis a lot and tenn tennis is great and I'm actually just now starting to be able to go to more tournaments and and do different things. But it isn't like the whole team sport deal. I feel like you really mean a lot in like your basketball, f now there's football, rugby, stuff like that. Well that that's that's awesome. Well thank you so much for kinda talking about that and about your goals and You've done a lot already in in four years and when you look back at it, I'm sure you probably it's har probably hard to remember all the accomplishments that you had, especially if you include like those small goals and stuff like that. But one question I like to ask people with spinal cord injuries is if you were to go back in time four years ago, you know y now you're in rehab, right, and you go back and sometimes you don't want to go there mentally, right? But you go if you had any type of advice for them, if there was anything specifically that you know that it would help your your past self Is there anything that that you would tell them either that's maybe words of encouragement or maybe tell them to you know avoid something? avoid being lazy. Yeah. I know it's hard, it's it's it's a rough time at the beginning. Avoid just laying your bed and you know, sometimes you have to soak in the intrigue, you know, grief, your loss. 'Cause it is a loss. But avoid diving too deep into that. You know, you have to get back out there. Yeah. And there is, you know, look at all the examples on social media, there is a life after an injury. So don't don't give up. Yeah. Awesome. Well that's that's great advice. We'll probably leave it off like that. That that's awesome. because it's so true. I mean, now that we're living in it and you know, I'm six years in, you're about four up to five years in, you look back at it and you're right. It's like once you stay active and you do everything, it's actually pretty normal, awesome life. You get used to it. Yeah, but you just gotta jump into it. You have to jump into it but you adopt. Yeah, awesome. So we encourage anybody who's watching, whether you've been hurt for many years and maybe o over the years you feel like, you know, things have gotten a little harder and we we can sometimes we can let ourselves get a little lazy. like I've fallen into that at at times or but or especially if you first got hurt recently, that that is the best advice I think that that I've heard. It it's so true. It's just jump into it. and and get active as as soon as you can. It's the small wins. Don't you don't have to jump right to to rugby, right? You gotta transfer your transfer first. Thank you so much for for joining the podcast today. I think people are are really gonna enjoy, I hope, listening and watching. and is there a way that we can follow you on on your journey as you continue to get these goals and graduating and stuff like that? yeah, so I'm on my Instagram. It's my name, Leduar Rivera. Leduar underscore Rivera. L E D U A R underscore River with an A at the end. Okay. and then I have I'm starting a podcast too, Quadcast. It's gonna come out soon, so you'll I'll post something on my my Instagram there for everyone to follow. Awesome. I'm really excited to to to watch that and and 'cause you were telling me a little bit about it before here. So this is great. Well thank you so much for joining and I I hopefully we'll have you on again and we'll continue on your journey. We appreciate it. Appreciate you having me. Thank you.