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[SPEAKER_01]: We're excited to announce that Harvey's highly compelling memoir, without prejudice, my life as a gay judge has been released and is now available on Amazon and wherever you buy books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and what's even more exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Hollywood feature film starring David Arquette, Rob Mays, David Mazuz, Joe Lando, Rachelle Fave, and directed by the superb Shane Stanley, chronicling Harvey's riveting story of going from social outcast to Canada's first openly gay judge, and then reinventing himself as a renowned celebrity interviewer will be released in the fall of 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More to come as we get closer to the movie's release date,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone, I'm Harvey Brownstone and today's special guest making his second appearance on our show has been dazzling audiences since we first fell in love with him in his portrayal of Marcus Henderson on the classic TV sitcom The Jefferson's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's delivered memorable performances in great movies like Three Days of the Condor, White Man Kent Jump, Jay Edgar, Sweetwater,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he made the whole world take notice when he became the first and only black actor to co-star with the legendary Betty Davis in the groundbreaking 1980 TV movie, White Mama.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And most recently, his heart-wrenching performance as Louis Cloverfield in the blockbuster TV series The Pit has earned him a well-deserved Emmy Award.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I'm super excited to announce that very soon, you'll be seeing him in another unforgettable heartwarming performance in the feature film based on my memoir without prejudice, co-starring David Arquette, David Mazuz, Rochelle Lefevra, and Joe Lando and directed by the brilliant Shane Stanley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm beyond thrilled to welcome back to our show, my very dear friend, Ernest Harden Jr. Ernest, thank you so much for being here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you so much, Harvey, for having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, I'm related to be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love you so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were probably the best of you I've had in years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, no, be best, period, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've been great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so here I am again, and thank you for inviting me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is my great honor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, congratulations on your Emmy Award.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does it feel to have the whole world celebrating you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's been a culmination of all the years that I put in over 50 actually and just to finally be recognized for the hard work that I put in over those years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just been beyond the least, you know, I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people ask me about, oh, nine, I'm about 55 right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing the right, the wave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started off enjoying the wave of the success of the pit, and that is just
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[SPEAKER_00]: been such a phenomenal show to Binnon and then forward the catapulting into the spotlight like it did and we actually winning this Emmy, which I've been understand before I'd never paid attention to the amount of prestige that one would get winning in a award like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's always in the back of your mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You always felt that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe one day it's working after her, I would be standing up there holding an Oscar or anything, but to really experience it, it's beyond belief and I just feel so blessed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your portrayal of Louis Cloverfield on the pit was so incredibly moving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Were you channeling anyone that you knew in your own life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm from Detroit, Michigan, I've seen a lot of
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[SPEAKER_00]: alcohol, alcohol aches, and a lot of my friends were involved in drinking a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just started off and especially, you know, my, maybe it was kind of a little press, little hood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw a lot of people go through similar experiences like who we did, and so I drew from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally really don't drink, not in excess, maybe in a party sometimes or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My father started me off by saying that drinking is just tough when the body gets burns when it goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I never got into it because I did burn a lot of it, but I had such a good role model with my father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got to travel around with him and see these people were addicted and afflicted with alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that I just
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me portray this alcoholism is very, very serious problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of researched it even more when I got the role of Louis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to try to portray Louis as a person that is as real as possible to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because hackers I could try to break the way to the forefront and bring the other things about all of this initiative front forefront and which idea I actually did and it touched so many people and when I lifted my social media thousands and thousands of people were really praising me on my portrayal of that role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It touched him in so many ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had an awkward like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a sister like that, a brother like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A father was died about all of this and by it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just made me proud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made it all worth going through the effort of trying to trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the way like I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a hit with the whole experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was very happy how it turned out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, it touched the people so much that this guest star, this is the way it was a guest star on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It became being a nomad with being involved in press and positives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: feedback and love, the outpouring of love that that character got and was like I became the people's champion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the character of Louis definitely resonated with millions of people all around the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now near the end of your time on the pit, we learned about Louis back story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ernest, were you aware of that backstory when you started playing Louis back in season one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not quite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew he had a backstory, but I didn't know the details that they had put together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I knew when I was auditioning for the pit period audition for another role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a good role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a black older black man who was married and he was going through some problems himself with alcohol a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was talking, he was a scene where he was talking to one of the young doctors and praising him for being the first doctor in his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was saying, how proud your parents must be of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for achieving that goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I thought it was a great program, and I wanted to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the only last that maybe wanted to show us, but I was happy to have the job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I got home from that audition, they brought me in to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I got home from that audition, they told my manager, yes, we like you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we want him to play an alcoholic to drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking, oh, gosh, you know, another drunk black man, you know, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said that he would be, but they said, well, he's going to be a semi-regular on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I said, oh, I won't give you some
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I know they probably want a comic relief, so I'm going to come in from all of them, and then leave, you know, making people laugh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I decided that I didn't want to do that with that character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I started to really go back research with that amount of alcohol, with due to a person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it would normally, the amount of alcohol that really drank would kill most people, you know, a court about alcohol, a court of vodka, who could do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even though it's telling the society was really dangerous to his liver and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just studied that and realized that I just decided to make the way a real person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I did, they did not stop me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They seemed to portray what I was doing and they saw where I was going with the character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he liked it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I commend him for that because he became more to just stay the comic-related than I had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good smile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They saw that he was a really good being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a, at the end of season one, I had to see with no whileing, and he says, you know, you're, you're going to keep drinking like this, and destroy a liver, and that's going to be pretty bad for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like it, and I said, well, you know, I don't dig it like ready, but let me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew where I said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I knew I wanted them to know that I knew I had so problems in my life when I'm killing myself and I don't care now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted people to get in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to leave it on the mind of the people that I was seriously drinking because I had something that I had
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[SPEAKER_00]: coming back and trying to make it funny or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they're probably the season two, they had written a little backstory from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is what prepared me to give this to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's very nice that you should mention that, Amy, because I want to take you back to September 6th at the Emmy Awards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you describe the emotions that we're going through your head and your heart during your acceptance speech?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was behind
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of set the standard for predictions and most of their predictions always come true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had me down, when I was submitted, I was submitted by HBO before they were me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I had a studio behind me, which was good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they had me down at 17 or something, you know, chances of me really getting nominated or slimming, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I moved up to maybe 14.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next thing, you know, I was seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because, you know, it's a big little star.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, next thing you know, I was nominated, so that's the top six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of like all the predictors were amazed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as the nominations went on, I moved up to number two right behind COVID-19 Mingo, and that was a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And have my
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I felt very confident that what he had was being a movie star.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I had was a team that they exposed my history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have more history than any other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I matter fact even though most of those people, most of the actors, they won the movies before and they all looked more nominated for something, including Coleman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But not only at the history that I had, where I started from, as you say, Robert Rifford, in 1974, with baby Davis, 1980, the Jefferson since I did that for three years, and then why make it happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all the between the old street blooms, all these things that I've been at the Atlanta childbirth, it's with Morgan Freeman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a lot of history there,
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[SPEAKER_00]: new over the years, but had to be reminded of at once we exposed that again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my super power, and I think it would have been the people realized that they loved me for years, and it catapulted me over to when they read that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said, and the winner is, and they read my
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was very happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was someone surprised because like I said, home and in the rest of the, you know, nominees were strong contenders and it was really a bunch of baby weights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I felt confident, I feel God is saying, this is your time, artists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been around a long time, and now it's time to get your flowers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he said my name, I said, well, I had to speak the beard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been working on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was going to be digging the fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and be up there on the podium and just say my speech and getting off and just looking good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Lord said, oh no, no, no, no, no, we got something else for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: These says, we're going to start you off crying a pool of tears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pool of tears in front of all these people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, not that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and we're going to go from here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And matter of fact, the speech that you worked
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[SPEAKER_00]: Forget that, I'll take over for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to tell you, you brought tears to everyone for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The moment that made me cry was when you said in your speech that you wish your parents had been there, I hope you could feel their love and their pride shining down on you, Ernest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt actually, I can feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was crying like a baby and, and, and I feel that God didn't take over from me or because what I said came from my heart after that, and I, I couldn't think of anything which is just to say, I wish my parents were here, but it's an hell in the heart, and to feed us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, my sisters here will know that they would be so proud, and I just, and then I, I just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The television academy and HBO and all the people on set, the makeup artist, the doctors, the directors, and but I couldn't think of anything and I just went right to my wife and said, I just thank you for just being there and encouraging me through all the dark
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[SPEAKER_00]: I earned this in Merrill, and then J. Boyardy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a friend ever since I was in the Jefferson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was one of the producers of the Jefferson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thanked him for being blessed in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just always gave me a ton of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I had a group of sky and saying, hey, I know this can't pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this, these things, these Emmys are expensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to need money, any?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just, it was the elder bunch of money to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kindness of his heart so he's a blessing and John Wells of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did thank him for hiring me and believing in my talent and telling me that all the reason he killed me around because I was good and I think to all the producers I did get that out Aaron John to Michael his rich and everyone, all of you know I just can't now without being up there I can't think
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Dr. Joseph Sags and Scott Gimmel, they wrote Louie and they wrote my character Louie and gave him a send off that no one can ever forget.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to think my age is staying off and Kevin Turner, well, they've been great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most of all, my manager, Christine McGraw, who believed in my talent and told me that one thing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most of all, last but not least, I just wanted to thank Noel Lyle, the brother from another mother who took the time to find out who was as an actor, and the time to really do something about it by creating an art, for Louis Cloverfield, that I lovingly called Noah's art, and art that made the whole world cry, and art that already made television history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I ended up in saying, I know time was short, I wanted to
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[SPEAKER_00]: saying, I think Sunday night I started out with Siddha's Miss Betty Davis in a television movie, but the help of actor Dorian here would, and it was the film of Directed by Jackie Cooper and Miss, and it was called by Mama and Miss Davis gave it that title because while filming, we received a lot of racist hate mail and this was her way of making it clear to all those racist people that she was starring
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just who she was, and I was one of the last films she ever made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were nominated for an Emmy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was nominated for Best Actors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said if she wants, she wanted me to go up and accept it award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She wanted me to be out of the front even then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, unfortunately, the Emmy's report kind of 1980.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure you might have the resources, but I think she lost the badny Duke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I never got that chance or to experience or any of this experience, any of this, because I never went to the war team that we were nominated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never got any of that chance, but by the grace of God, I said, here I am, Ms. Davis 46 years later, this once for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when you were on our show last time, we talked a lot about Betty Davis and the monumental impact she had on your life and you could clearly feel her presence when you finally won that Emmy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand, and this is from conversations you and I have had, that you regularly visit her grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do actually, while you've been doing a research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've met a friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was up there yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to sitting there and having lunch and sitting there and saying, we did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But how have we normally visited graves because where I worked at Warner Bros.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Studio, shooting a bit all while I think we get to work early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made a stop by our great site just to sit there and say, the baby I would, a tremendous job, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're one of the ancestors now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be with me, keep your hand on me and help me get through this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While I was filming a movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if I got up there earlier, I would go about by.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, and I know you can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's kind of a weird thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but one that forced a lot of so close to where I was working and to just think, I don't know, and I can't know this for sure, but it's almost like you come into visit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you had an elderly parent or a grandparents or something, they don't see much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you come to visit, you know, they're hard, just don't switch away they have so happy to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I know that she's gone, but I just felt that our heart was glad every time I came there and I brought flowers, who I said there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, you know, eight launch, you're just
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[SPEAKER_00]: was being with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just felt a bite that she was very happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, she was actually like a white blob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was my friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After we filmed, we talked about doing three or four more films.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She just didn't last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll force to do that, but, and then on the occasion, she wrote me on holiday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of times, a few times, she would quote for me when I come over to her house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, thanksgivings and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She remembered my birthday, and I would get cars from her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She really loved me as a person, and I just so appreciated that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm an actor at it, and this was film royalty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I respected it from the minute I knew that I was going to meet her, and she imparted someone's knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I didn't know even when we were filming, I was just trying to mimic whatever she was doing, and I tried to soak it up like a sponge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved the fact that I respected her so much,
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was just a person that didn't like injustice and I loved that about her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She hated racism and how, and matter of fact, the letters that we got from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While filming the movie, White Mama Weaver, she was so incensed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was more incensed than I was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thinking I was just told Cloud9 being and being in her presence and just happy to be really working, especially with her, but she was in sense that about some of those letters and how they, and I was willing to surprise the year, how they talked about her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been working with me, and it just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, racism really doesn't end, and I, you know, I'm thinking that after Martin Luther King died at 68, that was it, Austin, stupid and I, he thought was because racism exists even today, even more so, you know, with this regime, I'm just saying, that was just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a special time, a learning experience, and I think now my kids even understand how significant even that movie was, and the fact that they haven't released it for these 46 years, and seem to have squashed it, and I look at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried hard to try to resurrect that film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like after she died, they put it away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And didn't want to include it as one of Betty Davis's great films yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was nominated for an award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was nominated for an Emmy, so some of her best work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yet, they squashed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no clue why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me say that since you mentioned Betty Davis and White Mama in some of the interviews you gave and also in your acceptance speech, there is a renewed interest in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you and I are both mystified why Turner Classic movies, even though they have frequently had Betty Davis marathons, they've never ever shown white mama.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have a feeling that now, because of you, that movie's going to get resurrected, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you get invited to go there and introduce the film and talk about your experiences with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, because over the years it was so hard, I contacted those people over and over again and they seemed to just put me off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just seems so unfair because we put so much work into that film, both of us did in Jackie Cooper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These were legends, these were icons and nobody knows, basically nobody knows that that film existed, nobody knows that we did it and it all they do now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It had to be about race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't, you know, the races, ones were in control when it stopped it from being here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially after she died, it was like the cats away in a possible play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they just squashed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought there was so such a travesty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, this film should be exposed or gaulison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will be now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do believe it will be now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ernest, while you're on the subject of racism, I'm sure you're aware of the media coverage since the Emmy Awards that only you and Octavia Spencer were the only black actors to win Emmy Awards this year despite all the nominations for people of color.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you make of that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I heard that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when I was on the set of the pit yesterday when they have a ritual when they put all their enemies on a desk and then the whole cast in the crew and with everybody celebrating our wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was in someone whispered to me, you know, whenever black crew members did, you're gonna all be black actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: two of one in a war this year, one in maybe a war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I talked to you if you're a Spencer, one in collaboration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't even an actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, it was a narration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're only two blacks there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two in a versus here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot I think about when I hear something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, it bothers me because I want situations to improve for us as the people and colleagues and not hear about them thinking about them going back through the day when it wasn't happening so I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't fully given a lot of talk, and I'm still writing and basking in the glory of who's happy with me in training.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe when they come back and I have a fine answer, but I just feel that they be here the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only one, but that is not a good thing, and even though I know that
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[SPEAKER_00]: The competition was fierce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let me say that no, every all of them were good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody, one, they were very good actors, very good shows, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What it does seemed like, for example, Abbott Elementary was a fierce comedy under the guidelines of what a comedy should be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then,
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[SPEAKER_00]: little's bay was under that same heading and I just don't know it's that's fair because to me it seemed like that was more of a dramatic series than a quality series and have it in the maturation, have to go against that so things like that so it's a system, it's systematic, the racism, it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've just been so feeling so good that I'm blessed to be one of the people who are this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ernest, now that you've had this amazing triumph and the whole world is celebrating your talent, your success, your body of work, your history, does being an Emmy winner make you feel any different inside about who you are and where you're going?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel different about yourself?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, being nominated, I started to feel different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that it was only six of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a part of this entire who were the backers, country of actors, some of the top six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I started to not as a person that felt like my
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now I got some respect, now perhaps, or I can monetize this and perhaps it would bring more work to me and the type of jobs and the type of roles that I was playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now to win, it's double because the amount of attention that I've gotten since I've got my win, it's been overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My phone hasn't stopped ringing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: come up to me and say, I got this this project that we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we got you in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked to a lot of people with Warner Brothers and HBO and they're so proud to have me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, and I just come out and tell them, listen, if you know anything about my character and the pit, you know he's gone, you know, he passed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever you might come up with, I'm ready to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: here what you have to say and they all we got this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're thinking so I think I'm happy that I got the exposure and hopefully it will lead to a lot of good projects like the one that I did with you which I'm looking forward to that coming out without breakfast is your story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You play my guardian angel at university, Mr. Reynolds, the man who got me a scholarship and got me social assistance, got me a part-time job cleaning houses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I could get through law school after my parents threw me out when I told them I was gay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have good memories from making that movie?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have good memories, and I also have so much respect for you, and this is what I tell people when they ask me about it and interviews that this guy had courage beyond belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I walk out of the house with my badge when every day, you know, I walk out the U.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unblack from the beginning, but you, you can hide it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't, you said, I am gay because of what I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even though your parents said, we will cut you off if you continue to say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you had to curse a stand-up to be who you felt where you were inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just at the take to consequences, or the bakery's end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just admired it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, your courage is amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that you went through the system where you said, hey, your parents didn't want to help you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you found the counselor, and I was, I felt honored to play that person, Mr. Reynolds, and he helped you get through school, helped you with your assistance, helped you with your housing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And helped you get that victory to become
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[SPEAKER_00]: I judge the first gay judge in Canada openly gay and that must have been such an achievement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just think this is such a tremendous story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait for it to be exposed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shane Stanley, who directed it, said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would probably come out 20, 27 at the beginning of 20, 27, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: something felt by so many people who've gone through similar situations and achieved something great in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their role to get there was a tremendous struggle, but they got there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think that so many people could relate beyond what we can't even imagine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel it's a movie that has to be seen the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that it would be a teacher in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess that's my him, oh no, I make people cry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I want you to know, and I want the world to know Ernest, that when I was working with Shane Stanley and CJ Wally on the screenplay, I had you in mind from day one to play Mr. Reynolds because I knew you were the only one who could convey the warmth and compassion of that very special man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was on the set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had the honor of witnessing your performance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You asked every single take.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have seen the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You delivered a spectacular performance and you should be very, very proud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm proud to be in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm honored to be in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just really feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it has been tremendous for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel that this will be a great follow-up in my career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it will build me, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The worst of the next year is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Oscar Awards takes you yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and if it's possible, you've proven that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of your scenes in the movie were with David Masuz, who played the young Harvey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was he like to work with as an acting partner?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You did three scenes with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, they be, they be Jesus is an excellent actor, for all of you, if you don't know his, he was in the television series, Gotham and he played Bruce Wayne.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is just one hell of a young actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We bounced off each other and he was so giving us an actor and went to make sure that I was giving what I needed for me on my own advice versus so we really bought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy working with him and I know we're just going to this movie probably lead him
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[SPEAKER_02]: what was it like working with Shane Stanley the director because I I must say this was unusual you knew the real Harvey who was standing right there better than Shane did you and I've been friends longer than I've known Shane which I've known Shane I think four years I've known you five years and I was standing right there did you have a sense from Shane that he could just let you do it your way
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shame knew of me and I think the fact that you knew me so well insisted that I'd be a part of the film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I was part of the change, we're all at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he trusted, he trusted your judgment somewhat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what it was such a victory for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: saying, allow me to do what he thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I felt that I wanted to do, and then after saying, saw me work, saying whispered in my ear, the Eurogazi, and that was, that was so satisfying, that was such a big to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the shame that I became really good friends after that, because now he understood what you were talking about all along, then hey, or this is pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he said to me, after you finished your scene in your office with David Masuz, he said to me,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you have brought us a blessing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ernest is a blessing to this production.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt so proud of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I, any whispered something that he whispered at in my ear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just was, I was so happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, there's a lot of, I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If any day was as an analyst, one, two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As our hands are this one, two, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, you've been in this industry for 60 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've seen so many changes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've had so many ups and downs in your career over the years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How have you managed to stay so resilient, so balanced, so positive through everything you've been through?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was when I was in that mischastate, it was funny, you know, people were going through something called est and life's brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These were like, in my dynamics, they were going
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[SPEAKER_00]: elevate your consciousness, get you to believe in yourself even more, realize you can do more than what you thought you could, but it wasn't religious, but it helped you touch your inner spirit more and got, and so I took one call of nine dynamics just before I left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it really did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm a Christian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually in my denomination, was congregationless, but they were my churchless, but they were very progressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a lot to do with the civil rights movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been Martin Luther King, and I was, you know, also Jackie Robinson,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my parents marched on the march of Washington when everybody was there and like minister Brevard Nicholas Wood also gave Andrew Young his first job he knew Angie Ellen's young young boy so they were all really involved but he was progressive thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what I did is embody that, that philosophy, it was almost an Eastern philosophy into my faith in God and my Christian faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore I understood Jesus said, you can do what I can do, and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any mountain that you see, you could move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that might not necessarily mean that you could move a mountain and actual mountain, but the mountains in your life, you could move those and he said, and so I took all that to hard and when I left the truck and went to New York, I just felt after understanding more of that philosophy, I felt like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a man among boys because I was connected to God in a certain way that maybe other people didn't realize because maybe that knowledge had been taken away from for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought I had a connection with part of that dark whale that I could tap into anything and achieve anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that early on, and it worked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was everything, even though I was going through times where I didn't have anything to eat or play some live, I never doubt it, and you had to be grateful for every step that you took.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it wasn't going backwards,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you, as long as you were moving forward sometime, they were baby steps at the time, oh, I got a major movie here, or I got the Jefferson's for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were major, so I was happy about that, but sometimes when they were just small steps and long as I was moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you get to LA, I got to LA, there are no seasons that you don't see seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It all seems to be one, a nice weather all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You look around, wow, put in five years at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was quick, because you never saw seasons that sort of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, so time went by and you didn't realize it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, you know, stayed focused because of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt joyous to me, even though the bad times were gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at that as just caretability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to learn those, those heartaches and those trials and those
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[SPEAKER_00]: people who look at life, that's not a little bit like they had or good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God was allowing that to happen so we could feel a certain muscle in your mind and your character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you didn't, you weren't bitter about everything that might be negative happening to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were positive about it because that vibration that high vibration propels you to continue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's so much so that
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[SPEAKER_00]: even with this, where I have now reached a plateau where I'm at the top of the business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing is the top of the television, and it's beyond my imagination, what is happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all the work, all the positivity, the love is the power of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I never forgot that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd stay with it, to love it's the power of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am happy for all those people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I am somewhat sad to know of the black people got and it won't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But me, because I want everybody to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's long that I give mine, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I want them to be happy too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that it's something, or if they miss or something, it's something that has to grow and for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all still good because the positive thing to the good things will be happening if they stay on the path of love and happiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's my philosophy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you ask me, why am I not bitter?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love myself too much, that's really, it's a selfish thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm throwing out vibes that are good, wishing people will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I know that that, I will come back to me, and I love me, I want to goodbye to come back to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, therefore, it is all, nothing but good things that are happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even through the little victories, even before I was nominated, even before I was happy, I was working, I was doing films with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: After, well, your life is joyous, and maybe others, as well, looking at me struggling, or just not but you're not really feeling great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't worked a day in my life, Harvey, not one day, because I am blessed to be doing what I've been doing, what I wanted to do in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am blessed to make money at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: do ups and downs, tough times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just part of it, but high in city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not so much, I'm not a religious person, but I'm a spiritual, I'm a child, a light, a child of God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I walk through life like that, and I'm not afraid to tell anybody, because you're not
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well my dear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is just the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been such a joy watching you rise to the top of the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we both envisioned for you from the first day we met.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very inspirational that you never gave up, that you always believed in yourself and that you knew deep down, that you had what it took to get to the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And on behalf of all your fans, thank you for all the wonderful performances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for hanging in there all these years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your beautiful friendship, which I cherish every single day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you so much, Ernest, for taking the time to appear on our show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me, Harvey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am just so honored to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a wonderful conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are simply the best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right back at you, my friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our guest has been the iconic Emmy Award winning actor Ernest Harden Jr. Don't miss his highly memorable performance in season two of The Pit and please be on the lookout for his upcoming feature film without prejudice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Harvey Brownstone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you next time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to my producers Steve Silver, my managers Rick Marcelli and Robin Bragg Marcelli of the Marcelli Company in Hollywood, my director of programming Robert Monigan, my editor Isaiah Sherylampetis, and my entire team at the XPTV1 network in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're excited to announce that Harvey's highly compelling memoir, without prejudice, my life as a gay judge has been released and is now available on Amazon and wherever you buy books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and what's even more exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Hollywood feature film starring David Arquette, Rob Mays, David Mazuz, Joe Lando, Rachelle Fave, and directed by the superb Shane Stanley, chronicling Harvey's riveting story of going from social outcast to Canada's first openly gay judge, and then reinventing himself as a renowned celebrity interviewer will be released in the fall of 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More to come as we get closer to the movie's release date,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone, I'm Harvey Brownstone and today's special guest making his second appearance on our show has been dazzling audiences since we first fell in love with him in his portrayal of Marcus Henderson on the classic TV sitcom The Jefferson's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's delivered memorable performances in great movies like Three Days of the Condor, White Man Kent Jump, Jay Edgar, Sweetwater,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he made the whole world take notice when he became the first and only black actor to co-star with the legendary Betty Davis in the groundbreaking 1980 TV movie, White Mama.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And most recently, his heart-wrenching performance as Louis Cloverfield in the blockbuster TV series The Pit has earned him a well-deserved Emmy Award.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I'm super excited to announce that very soon, you'll be seeing him in another unforgettable heartwarming performance in the feature film based on my memoir without prejudice, co-starring David Arquette, David Mazuz, Rochelle Lefevra, and Joe Lando and directed by the brilliant Shane Stanley.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm beyond thrilled to welcome back to our show, my very dear friend, Ernest Harden Jr. Ernest, thank you so much for being here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you so much, Harvey, for having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, I'm related to be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love you so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were probably the best of you I've had in years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, no, be best, period, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've been great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so here I am again, and thank you for inviting me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is my great honor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, congratulations on your Emmy Award.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does it feel to have the whole world celebrating you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's been a culmination of all the years that I put in over 50 actually and just to finally be recognized for the hard work that I put in over those years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just been beyond the least, you know, I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people ask me about, oh, nine, I'm about 55 right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing the right, the wave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started off enjoying the wave of the success of the pit, and that is just
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[SPEAKER_00]: been such a phenomenal show to Binnon and then forward the catapulting into the spotlight like it did and we actually winning this Emmy, which I've been understand before I'd never paid attention to the amount of prestige that one would get winning in a award like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's always in the back of your mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You always felt that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe one day it's working after her, I would be standing up there holding an Oscar or anything, but to really experience it, it's beyond belief and I just feel so blessed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your portrayal of Louis Cloverfield on the pit was so incredibly moving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Were you channeling anyone that you knew in your own life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm from Detroit, Michigan, I've seen a lot of
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[SPEAKER_00]: alcohol, alcohol aches, and a lot of my friends were involved in drinking a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just started off and especially, you know, my, maybe it was kind of a little press, little hood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw a lot of people go through similar experiences like who we did, and so I drew from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally really don't drink, not in excess, maybe in a party sometimes or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My father started me off by saying that drinking is just tough when the body gets burns when it goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I never got into it because I did burn a lot of it, but I had such a good role model with my father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got to travel around with him and see these people were addicted and afflicted with alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that I just
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me portray this alcoholism is very, very serious problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of researched it even more when I got the role of Louis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to try to portray Louis as a person that is as real as possible to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because hackers I could try to break the way to the forefront and bring the other things about all of this initiative front forefront and which idea I actually did and it touched so many people and when I lifted my social media thousands and thousands of people were really praising me on my portrayal of that role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It touched him in so many ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had an awkward like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a sister like that, a brother like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A father was died about all of this and by it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just made me proud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made it all worth going through the effort of trying to trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the way like I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a hit with the whole experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was very happy how it turned out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, it touched the people so much that this guest star, this is the way it was a guest star on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It became being a nomad with being involved in press and positives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: feedback and love, the outpouring of love that that character got and was like I became the people's champion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the character of Louis definitely resonated with millions of people all around the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now near the end of your time on the pit, we learned about Louis back story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ernest, were you aware of that backstory when you started playing Louis back in season one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not quite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew he had a backstory, but I didn't know the details that they had put together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I knew when I was auditioning for the pit period audition for another role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a good role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a black older black man who was married and he was going through some problems himself with alcohol a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was talking, he was a scene where he was talking to one of the young doctors and praising him for being the first doctor in his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was saying, how proud your parents must be of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for achieving that goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I thought it was a great program, and I wanted to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the only last that maybe wanted to show us, but I was happy to have the job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I got home from that audition, they brought me in to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I got home from that audition, they told my manager, yes, we like you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we want him to play an alcoholic to drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking, oh, gosh, you know, another drunk black man, you know, here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said that he would be, but they said, well, he's going to be a semi-regular on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I said, oh, I won't give you some
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I know they probably want a comic relief, so I'm going to come in from all of them, and then leave, you know, making people laugh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I decided that I didn't want to do that with that character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I started to really go back research with that amount of alcohol, with due to a person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it would normally, the amount of alcohol that really drank would kill most people, you know, a court about alcohol, a court of vodka, who could do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even though it's telling the society was really dangerous to his liver and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just studied that and realized that I just decided to make the way a real person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I did, they did not stop me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They seemed to portray what I was doing and they saw where I was going with the character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he liked it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I commend him for that because he became more to just stay the comic-related than I had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good smile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They saw that he was a really good being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a, at the end of season one, I had to see with no whileing, and he says, you know, you're, you're going to keep drinking like this, and destroy a liver, and that's going to be pretty bad for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like it, and I said, well, you know, I don't dig it like ready, but let me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew where I said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I knew I wanted them to know that I knew I had so problems in my life when I'm killing myself and I don't care now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted people to get in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to leave it on the mind of the people that I was seriously drinking because I had something that I had
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[SPEAKER_00]: coming back and trying to make it funny or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they're probably the season two, they had written a little backstory from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is what prepared me to give this to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's very nice that you should mention that, Amy, because I want to take you back to September 6th at the Emmy Awards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you describe the emotions that we're going through your head and your heart during your acceptance speech?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was behind
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of set the standard for predictions and most of their predictions always come true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had me down, when I was submitted, I was submitted by HBO before they were me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I had a studio behind me, which was good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they had me down at 17 or something, you know, chances of me really getting nominated or slimming, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I moved up to maybe 14.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next thing, you know, I was seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because, you know, it's a big little star.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, next thing you know, I was nominated, so that's the top six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of like all the predictors were amazed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as the nominations went on, I moved up to number two right behind COVID-19 Mingo, and that was a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And have my
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I felt very confident that what he had was being a movie star.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I had was a team that they exposed my history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have more history than any other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I matter fact even though most of those people, most of the actors, they won the movies before and they all looked more nominated for something, including Coleman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But not only at the history that I had, where I started from, as you say, Robert Rifford, in 1974, with baby Davis, 1980, the Jefferson since I did that for three years, and then why make it happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all the between the old street blooms, all these things that I've been at the Atlanta childbirth, it's with Morgan Freeman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a lot of history there,
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[SPEAKER_00]: new over the years, but had to be reminded of at once we exposed that again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my super power, and I think it would have been the people realized that they loved me for years, and it catapulted me over to when they read that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said, and the winner is, and they read my
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was very happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was someone surprised because like I said, home and in the rest of the, you know, nominees were strong contenders and it was really a bunch of baby weights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I felt confident, I feel God is saying, this is your time, artists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been around a long time, and now it's time to get your flowers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he said my name, I said, well, I had to speak the beard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been working on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was going to be digging the fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and be up there on the podium and just say my speech and getting off and just looking good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Lord said, oh no, no, no, no, no, we got something else for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: These says, we're going to start you off crying a pool of tears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pool of tears in front of all these people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, not that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and we're going to go from here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And matter of fact, the speech that you worked
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[SPEAKER_00]: Forget that, I'll take over for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to tell you, you brought tears to everyone for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The moment that made me cry was when you said in your speech that you wish your parents had been there, I hope you could feel their love and their pride shining down on you, Ernest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt actually, I can feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was crying like a baby and, and, and I feel that God didn't take over from me or because what I said came from my heart after that, and I, I couldn't think of anything which is just to say, I wish my parents were here, but it's an hell in the heart, and to feed us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, my sisters here will know that they would be so proud, and I just, and then I, I just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The television academy and HBO and all the people on set, the makeup artist, the doctors, the directors, and but I couldn't think of anything and I just went right to my wife and said, I just thank you for just being there and encouraging me through all the dark
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[SPEAKER_00]: I earned this in Merrill, and then J. Boyardy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a friend ever since I was in the Jefferson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was one of the producers of the Jefferson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thanked him for being blessed in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just always gave me a ton of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I had a group of sky and saying, hey, I know this can't pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this, these things, these Emmys are expensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to need money, any?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just, it was the elder bunch of money to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kindness of his heart so he's a blessing and John Wells of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did thank him for hiring me and believing in my talent and telling me that all the reason he killed me around because I was good and I think to all the producers I did get that out Aaron John to Michael his rich and everyone, all of you know I just can't now without being up there I can't think
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Dr. Joseph Sags and Scott Gimmel, they wrote Louie and they wrote my character Louie and gave him a send off that no one can ever forget.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to think my age is staying off and Kevin Turner, well, they've been great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most of all, my manager, Christine McGraw, who believed in my talent and told me that one thing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most of all, last but not least, I just wanted to thank Noel Lyle, the brother from another mother who took the time to find out who was as an actor, and the time to really do something about it by creating an art, for Louis Cloverfield, that I lovingly called Noah's art, and art that made the whole world cry, and art that already made television history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I ended up in saying, I know time was short, I wanted to
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[SPEAKER_00]: saying, I think Sunday night I started out with Siddha's Miss Betty Davis in a television movie, but the help of actor Dorian here would, and it was the film of Directed by Jackie Cooper and Miss, and it was called by Mama and Miss Davis gave it that title because while filming, we received a lot of racist hate mail and this was her way of making it clear to all those racist people that she was starring
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just who she was, and I was one of the last films she ever made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were nominated for an Emmy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was nominated for Best Actors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said if she wants, she wanted me to go up and accept it award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She wanted me to be out of the front even then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, unfortunately, the Emmy's report kind of 1980.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure you might have the resources, but I think she lost the badny Duke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I never got that chance or to experience or any of this experience, any of this, because I never went to the war team that we were nominated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never got any of that chance, but by the grace of God, I said, here I am, Ms. Davis 46 years later, this once for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when you were on our show last time, we talked a lot about Betty Davis and the monumental impact she had on your life and you could clearly feel her presence when you finally won that Emmy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand, and this is from conversations you and I have had, that you regularly visit her grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do actually, while you've been doing a research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've met a friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was up there yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to sitting there and having lunch and sitting there and saying, we did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But how have we normally visited graves because where I worked at Warner Bros.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Studio, shooting a bit all while I think we get to work early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made a stop by our great site just to sit there and say, the baby I would, a tremendous job, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're one of the ancestors now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be with me, keep your hand on me and help me get through this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While I was filming a movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if I got up there earlier, I would go about by.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, and I know you can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's kind of a weird thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but one that forced a lot of so close to where I was working and to just think, I don't know, and I can't know this for sure, but it's almost like you come into visit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you had an elderly parent or a grandparents or something, they don't see much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you come to visit, you know, they're hard, just don't switch away they have so happy to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I know that she's gone, but I just felt that our heart was glad every time I came there and I brought flowers, who I said there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, you know, eight launch, you're just
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[SPEAKER_00]: was being with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just felt a bite that she was very happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, she was actually like a white blob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was my friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After we filmed, we talked about doing three or four more films.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She just didn't last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll force to do that, but, and then on the occasion, she wrote me on holiday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of times, a few times, she would quote for me when I come over to her house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, thanksgivings and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She remembered my birthday, and I would get cars from her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She really loved me as a person, and I just so appreciated that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm an actor at it, and this was film royalty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I respected it from the minute I knew that I was going to meet her, and she imparted someone's knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I didn't know even when we were filming, I was just trying to mimic whatever she was doing, and I tried to soak it up like a sponge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved the fact that I respected her so much,
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was just a person that didn't like injustice and I loved that about her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She hated racism and how, and matter of fact, the letters that we got from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While filming the movie, White Mama Weaver, she was so incensed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was more incensed than I was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thinking I was just told Cloud9 being and being in her presence and just happy to be really working, especially with her, but she was in sense that about some of those letters and how they, and I was willing to surprise the year, how they talked about her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been working with me, and it just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, racism really doesn't end, and I, you know, I'm thinking that after Martin Luther King died at 68, that was it, Austin, stupid and I, he thought was because racism exists even today, even more so, you know, with this regime, I'm just saying, that was just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a special time, a learning experience, and I think now my kids even understand how significant even that movie was, and the fact that they haven't released it for these 46 years, and seem to have squashed it, and I look at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried hard to try to resurrect that film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like after she died, they put it away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And didn't want to include it as one of Betty Davis's great films yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was nominated for an award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was nominated for an Emmy, so some of her best work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yet, they squashed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no clue why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me say that since you mentioned Betty Davis and White Mama in some of the interviews you gave and also in your acceptance speech, there is a renewed interest in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you and I are both mystified why Turner Classic movies, even though they have frequently had Betty Davis marathons, they've never ever shown white mama.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have a feeling that now, because of you, that movie's going to get resurrected, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you get invited to go there and introduce the film and talk about your experiences with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, because over the years it was so hard, I contacted those people over and over again and they seemed to just put me off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just seems so unfair because we put so much work into that film, both of us did in Jackie Cooper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These were legends, these were icons and nobody knows, basically nobody knows that that film existed, nobody knows that we did it and it all they do now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It had to be about race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't, you know, the races, ones were in control when it stopped it from being here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially after she died, it was like the cats away in a possible play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they just squashed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought there was so such a travesty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, this film should be exposed or gaulison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will be now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do believe it will be now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ernest, while you're on the subject of racism, I'm sure you're aware of the media coverage since the Emmy Awards that only you and Octavia Spencer were the only black actors to win Emmy Awards this year despite all the nominations for people of color.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you make of that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I heard that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when I was on the set of the pit yesterday when they have a ritual when they put all their enemies on a desk and then the whole cast in the crew and with everybody celebrating our wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was in someone whispered to me, you know, whenever black crew members did, you're gonna all be black actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: two of one in a war this year, one in maybe a war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I talked to you if you're a Spencer, one in collaboration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't even an actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, it was a narration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're only two blacks there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two in a versus here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot I think about when I hear something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, it bothers me because I want situations to improve for us as the people and colleagues and not hear about them thinking about them going back through the day when it wasn't happening so I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't fully given a lot of talk, and I'm still writing and basking in the glory of who's happy with me in training.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe when they come back and I have a fine answer, but I just feel that they be here the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only one, but that is not a good thing, and even though I know that
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[SPEAKER_00]: The competition was fierce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let me say that no, every all of them were good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody, one, they were very good actors, very good shows, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What it does seemed like, for example, Abbott Elementary was a fierce comedy under the guidelines of what a comedy should be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then,
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[SPEAKER_00]: little's bay was under that same heading and I just don't know it's that's fair because to me it seemed like that was more of a dramatic series than a quality series and have it in the maturation, have to go against that so things like that so it's a system, it's systematic, the racism, it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've just been so feeling so good that I'm blessed to be one of the people who are this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ernest, now that you've had this amazing triumph and the whole world is celebrating your talent, your success, your body of work, your history, does being an Emmy winner make you feel any different inside about who you are and where you're going?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel different about yourself?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, being nominated, I started to feel different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that it was only six of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a part of this entire who were the backers, country of actors, some of the top six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I started to not as a person that felt like my
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now I got some respect, now perhaps, or I can monetize this and perhaps it would bring more work to me and the type of jobs and the type of roles that I was playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now to win, it's double because the amount of attention that I've gotten since I've got my win, it's been overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My phone hasn't stopped ringing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: come up to me and say, I got this this project that we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we got you in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked to a lot of people with Warner Brothers and HBO and they're so proud to have me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, and I just come out and tell them, listen, if you know anything about my character and the pit, you know he's gone, you know, he passed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever you might come up with, I'm ready to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: here what you have to say and they all we got this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're thinking so I think I'm happy that I got the exposure and hopefully it will lead to a lot of good projects like the one that I did with you which I'm looking forward to that coming out without breakfast is your story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You play my guardian angel at university, Mr. Reynolds, the man who got me a scholarship and got me social assistance, got me a part-time job cleaning houses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I could get through law school after my parents threw me out when I told them I was gay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have good memories from making that movie?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have good memories, and I also have so much respect for you, and this is what I tell people when they ask me about it and interviews that this guy had courage beyond belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I walk out of the house with my badge when every day, you know, I walk out the U.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unblack from the beginning, but you, you can hide it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't, you said, I am gay because of what I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even though your parents said, we will cut you off if you continue to say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you had to curse a stand-up to be who you felt where you were inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just at the take to consequences, or the bakery's end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just admired it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, your courage is amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that you went through the system where you said, hey, your parents didn't want to help you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you found the counselor, and I was, I felt honored to play that person, Mr. Reynolds, and he helped you get through school, helped you with your assistance, helped you with your housing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And helped you get that victory to become
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[SPEAKER_00]: I judge the first gay judge in Canada openly gay and that must have been such an achievement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just think this is such a tremendous story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait for it to be exposed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shane Stanley, who directed it, said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would probably come out 20, 27 at the beginning of 20, 27, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: something felt by so many people who've gone through similar situations and achieved something great in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their role to get there was a tremendous struggle, but they got there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think that so many people could relate beyond what we can't even imagine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel it's a movie that has to be seen the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that it would be a teacher in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess that's my him, oh no, I make people cry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I want you to know, and I want the world to know Ernest, that when I was working with Shane Stanley and CJ Wally on the screenplay, I had you in mind from day one to play Mr. Reynolds because I knew you were the only one who could convey the warmth and compassion of that very special man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was on the set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had the honor of witnessing your performance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You asked every single take.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have seen the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You delivered a spectacular performance and you should be very, very proud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm proud to be in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm honored to be in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just really feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it has been tremendous for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel that this will be a great follow-up in my career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it will build me, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The worst of the next year is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Oscar Awards takes you yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and if it's possible, you've proven that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of your scenes in the movie were with David Masuz, who played the young Harvey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was he like to work with as an acting partner?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You did three scenes with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, they be, they be Jesus is an excellent actor, for all of you, if you don't know his, he was in the television series, Gotham and he played Bruce Wayne.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is just one hell of a young actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We bounced off each other and he was so giving us an actor and went to make sure that I was giving what I needed for me on my own advice versus so we really bought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy working with him and I know we're just going to this movie probably lead him
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[SPEAKER_02]: what was it like working with Shane Stanley the director because I I must say this was unusual you knew the real Harvey who was standing right there better than Shane did you and I've been friends longer than I've known Shane which I've known Shane I think four years I've known you five years and I was standing right there did you have a sense from Shane that he could just let you do it your way
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shame knew of me and I think the fact that you knew me so well insisted that I'd be a part of the film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I was part of the change, we're all at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he trusted, he trusted your judgment somewhat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what it was such a victory for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: saying, allow me to do what he thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I felt that I wanted to do, and then after saying, saw me work, saying whispered in my ear, the Eurogazi, and that was, that was so satisfying, that was such a big to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the shame that I became really good friends after that, because now he understood what you were talking about all along, then hey, or this is pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he said to me, after you finished your scene in your office with David Masuz, he said to me,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you have brought us a blessing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ernest is a blessing to this production.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt so proud of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I, any whispered something that he whispered at in my ear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just was, I was so happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, there's a lot of, I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If any day was as an analyst, one, two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As our hands are this one, two, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, you've been in this industry for 60 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've seen so many changes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've had so many ups and downs in your career over the years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How have you managed to stay so resilient, so balanced, so positive through everything you've been through?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was when I was in that mischastate, it was funny, you know, people were going through something called est and life's brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These were like, in my dynamics, they were going
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[SPEAKER_00]: elevate your consciousness, get you to believe in yourself even more, realize you can do more than what you thought you could, but it wasn't religious, but it helped you touch your inner spirit more and got, and so I took one call of nine dynamics just before I left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it really did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm a Christian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually in my denomination, was congregationless, but they were my churchless, but they were very progressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a lot to do with the civil rights movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been Martin Luther King, and I was, you know, also Jackie Robinson,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my parents marched on the march of Washington when everybody was there and like minister Brevard Nicholas Wood also gave Andrew Young his first job he knew Angie Ellen's young young boy so they were all really involved but he was progressive thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what I did is embody that, that philosophy, it was almost an Eastern philosophy into my faith in God and my Christian faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore I understood Jesus said, you can do what I can do, and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any mountain that you see, you could move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that might not necessarily mean that you could move a mountain and actual mountain, but the mountains in your life, you could move those and he said, and so I took all that to hard and when I left the truck and went to New York, I just felt after understanding more of that philosophy, I felt like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a man among boys because I was connected to God in a certain way that maybe other people didn't realize because maybe that knowledge had been taken away from for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought I had a connection with part of that dark whale that I could tap into anything and achieve anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that early on, and it worked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was everything, even though I was going through times where I didn't have anything to eat or play some live, I never doubt it, and you had to be grateful for every step that you took.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it wasn't going backwards,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you, as long as you were moving forward sometime, they were baby steps at the time, oh, I got a major movie here, or I got the Jefferson's for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were major, so I was happy about that, but sometimes when they were just small steps and long as I was moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you get to LA, I got to LA, there are no seasons that you don't see seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It all seems to be one, a nice weather all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You look around, wow, put in five years at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was quick, because you never saw seasons that sort of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, so time went by and you didn't realize it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, you know, stayed focused because of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt joyous to me, even though the bad times were gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at that as just caretability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to learn those, those heartaches and those trials and those
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[SPEAKER_00]: people who look at life, that's not a little bit like they had or good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God was allowing that to happen so we could feel a certain muscle in your mind and your character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you didn't, you weren't bitter about everything that might be negative happening to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were positive about it because that vibration that high vibration propels you to continue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's so much so that
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[SPEAKER_00]: even with this, where I have now reached a plateau where I'm at the top of the business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing is the top of the television, and it's beyond my imagination, what is happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all the work, all the positivity, the love is the power of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I never forgot that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd stay with it, to love it's the power of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am happy for all those people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I am somewhat sad to know of the black people got and it won't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But me, because I want everybody to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's long that I give mine, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I want them to be happy too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that it's something, or if they miss or something, it's something that has to grow and for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all still good because the positive thing to the good things will be happening if they stay on the path of love and happiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's my philosophy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you ask me, why am I not bitter?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love myself too much, that's really, it's a selfish thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm throwing out vibes that are good, wishing people will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I know that that, I will come back to me, and I love me, I want to goodbye to come back to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, therefore, it is all, nothing but good things that are happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even through the little victories, even before I was nominated, even before I was happy, I was working, I was doing films with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: After, well, your life is joyous, and maybe others, as well, looking at me struggling, or just not but you're not really feeling great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't worked a day in my life, Harvey, not one day, because I am blessed to be doing what I've been doing, what I wanted to do in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am blessed to make money at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: do ups and downs, tough times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just part of it, but high in city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not so much, I'm not a religious person, but I'm a spiritual, I'm a child, a light, a child of God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I walk through life like that, and I'm not afraid to tell anybody, because you're not
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well my dear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is just the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been such a joy watching you rise to the top of the mountain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we both envisioned for you from the first day we met.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very inspirational that you never gave up, that you always believed in yourself and that you knew deep down, that you had what it took to get to the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And on behalf of all your fans, thank you for all the wonderful performances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for hanging in there all these years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your beautiful friendship, which I cherish every single day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you so much, Ernest, for taking the time to appear on our show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me, Harvey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am just so honored to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a wonderful conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are simply the best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right back at you, my friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Our guest has been the iconic Emmy Award winning actor Ernest Harden Jr. Don't miss his highly memorable performance in season two of The Pit and please be on the lookout for his upcoming feature film without prejudice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Harvey Brownstone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you next time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to my producers Steve Silver, my managers Rick Marcelli and Robin Bragg Marcelli of the Marcelli Company in Hollywood, my director of programming Robert Monigan, my editor Isaiah Sherylampetis, and my entire team at the XPTV1 network in the UK.
