#157 - Solved Cold Cases (Premonitions and Pizza Preferences): Chelsea Jane Doe (Tiffany Bradley) & The Breckenridge Orange Sock Murders

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Austyn: so yeah, so we need to plan
for October, and we are open to
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suggestions- Halloween topics- Oh
my gosh … October spooky things.
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Repy: Our little spooky
campfire stories, I love those.
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Austyn: Yes.
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Repy: Cause we definitely-
That- … would do that, obviously
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Austyn: I feel like when we rent this camp
for the weekend we, it would be a great
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opportunity to record campfire stories.
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Yes.
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But then it's already October.
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It's, like, already- Yeah,
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Repy: I think that coming out even just,
like, the week after- The next week, yeah
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would still be fun.
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Austyn: Cause it's still fall.
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It's still- Yeah … like, that vibe.
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Um-
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Repy: And also, like, that stuff,
it's a little less posh anyway, so,
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you know, maybe a little less- Yeah
… editing, 'cause it's not as, you know.
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It's like- Yeah … ooh, spooky.
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It doesn't have to be as clean.
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Austyn: Yeah.
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We could even do- Mm-hmm … like, a live-
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of campfire.
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A
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Repy: live.
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Yeah.
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So cute.
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Austyn: A live, yeah.
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So if, and
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Repy: if- A TikTok series perhaps.
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Austyn: Yes.
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So we could do that.
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I also just imagine us in, like,
ridiculous costumes doing this.
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Yes.
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Repy: So just like… And, like,
ridiculous and way over the top
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because we- Yes … cannot be tamed.
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Austyn: No, because, like, I-
I'll tell you what I really wanna
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do for my costume this year.
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Yes.
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And that is Lady Gremlin,
but that's so much.
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Repy: That is so much, but you
could do- It's a lot … you
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could do Lady Gremlin ears, right?
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Austyn: Yes.
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Repy: And then get hair extensions
almost, and glue those in-
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Yeah … just, like, kind of in
little patches so you're not- Oh,
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Austyn: no
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Repy: fully covered.
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Austyn: But I'm talking about when
after she turns, so the green version-
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Repy: Oh
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Austyn: where she's,
like, all scaly and shit.
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Damn.
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But then I'm like, I have to
paint myself green and do,
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like, all of the prosthetics.
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Yes.
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And I'm like, I don't know if I'll have
time for that, but it would be amazing.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: So I'm like… And if
we're renting a place and we're
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gonna be there all day, then it's
like, okay, maybe that works.
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Repy: We could have, like, a Saturday
Halloween ball where everyone
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puts, like, their best costume on.
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Yes.
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It's, like, extravagance.
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See.
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Austyn: Yes.
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The Met
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Repy: Gala- So- … of Halloween.
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Austyn: Exactly.
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Uh, Listen, I'm still on the fence.
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So my other… I'll just take you
through a rundown of- Yes, take me
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through- … my thoughts … all of
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Repy: them.
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Austyn: So, so f- w- 'cause
I have a Pinterest board of
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future Halloween costumes.
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Okay.
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And then I just kind of
try to pick from them.
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So my one niche one that I'm like,
I always wanna do but I don't
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think anyone will get it, is the
cockroach dress from Hairspray.
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Yes.
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You know the pink- I get it … satin
dress with cockroaches on it?
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I get it.
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Yes.
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So Tracy Turnblad in
that dress specifically.
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Yes.
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Um, but then I have, um, what's
her face from, uh, from Addams
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Family, the one who marries Fester.
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Repy: Yes.
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Um-
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Austyn: Yes, you know, Joan
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Repy: Cusack.
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Joan Cu- yeah.
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Austyn: Yes.
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And Miss Piggy is one of them.
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Repy: She's so hot.
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Austyn: I know.
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The woman from The Birds with the birds.
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Repy: The Birds.
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Austyn: Yeah.
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Uh, Oh, isn't that- … Gremlin
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Repy: that's what's her face's mom?
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She used to own lions.
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Austyn: Jamie.
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Oh, no.
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Um, y- you mean, uh, Mariska Hargitay.
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Nope.
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no?
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Repy: I don't mean her either.
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Oh, I guess it, it really goes to the- Not
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Austyn: her mom?
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Repy: No.
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Austyn: Jayne Mansfield?
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No, that's not- No … Jayne Mansfield.
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Repy: No, Jayne Mansfield,
or, yeah, is her mom.
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Austyn: Let's see.
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That is, that, Jayne Mansfield
is Mariska Har- oh, Tippi Hedren.
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Repy: Is that- Tippi Hedren,
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Austyn: yes.
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It's Tippi
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Repy: Hedren.
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Austyn: Yes.
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Repy: And that is, Tippi
Hedren is, fuck, who, sh, Tippi
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Hedren's mo- she's the mom of-
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Austyn: Melanie Griffith
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Repy: Melanie Griffith.
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Austyn: Yes, Melanie Griffith, yes.
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Yes.
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So her.
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And then I have the, Greta the
Gremlin Poison Ivy, but that's
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less scary and I like to go scary.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: Um, and then Lydia Deetz,
obviously, in the red wedding dress,
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'cause I've never done that one.
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But that's, I feel like
that's a little basic.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: Um, but, you know.
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So those are the things I have right now.
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I also was thinking, like, Bride
of Frankenstein, but again, basic.
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Elvira, basic but classic.
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So I don't know.
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I don't know what to do.
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Repy: I never know what to
do, especially 'cause, like-
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Yeah, I just I wanna be really
scary, but I also wanna be funny.
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But I was like, I could go as like a Five
Nights of At Freddy's something or other.
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I could go from like an Until Dawn
character, like after one of them's died.
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Austyn: Yes.
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Repy: Um, but yeah, so I
should make a list too.
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Austyn: You should.
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Of interest.
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And then there's, there's ones
that I'm like, "I've done in the
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past, but I would love to redo."
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And I'm just like, "Uh, is
this the time for them or not?"
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Like Bride of Chucky, Carrie.
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Repy: good.
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Austyn: Like- Yeah … those
are all ones that I'm like, I
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kind of would love to redo them.
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Repy: Yes.
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Austyn: Um, so I don't know.
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I'm still very up in the air,
and I feel- Or like- … like
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we're getting to crunch time
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Repy: I always thought it would be funny
if every Halloween, or like something
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like we're doing where you have multiple
ways to dress up, you just dressed as
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not the hero of every scary movie, but
the like slutty girl who dies first.
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Like, I just feel like- Oh, I
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Austyn: love
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Repy: that … that would be
so funny to just be like the
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girl with big boobs who dies.
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Yes.
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Like that is your character
arch every single time.
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Austyn: Yeah.
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Repy: Ugh.
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Austyn: No, I would love that.
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But yeah, there's a lot of options.
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Repy: There is.
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Austyn: Ooh, see look, like they
make a Greta the Gremlin mask, and
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it's like that would simplify things,
but I feel like that's not as good.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: You know?
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Repy: Yeah, 'cause you- Like I
would- … could just get a Furby
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suit and spray paint it green.
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Austyn: But I
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Repy: feel like- But like, mm.
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Austyn: Yes.
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I feel like I would get it
and then cut the f- face out.
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So I could do the makeup
and then, you know?
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: Because it has like
the ears and everything on it.
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I don't know, man.
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It's a lot.
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It's a lot to do right.
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Repy: Yes.
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Austyn: That's the thing.
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So also there is a new, uh, TV
show coming out that I wanted to
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mention because I am psyched for it.
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Let me see what it's called
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And I don't know if it's
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No, that's not what I am Sh- TV show.
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I'm, I wanna get the name right.
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So it's called A Very Haunted Renovation.
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And it's on
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Repy: HGTV.
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Of course it is.
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Austyn: So Anna Camp from Pitch Perfect.
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Repy: yes.
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Austyn: She's amazing.
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Uh, so she, she hosts it, and it's,
there are teams of designers that
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are tasked with transforming one of
the most haunted houses in the US.
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Repy: Yes.
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Wait, have you seen Most
Scariest Homes with Retta?
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Yes,
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Austyn: Yes America's Mo- yes.
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Repy: Yes.
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Austyn: Yeah, this reminds me of that.
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Because she also does,
like, the, yes, like the-
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Repy: America's Ugliest Homes, she does
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Austyn: as well … yes, she does Yeah.
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So this, so it airs on Tuesday.
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Ooh.
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So it's on the 15th it airs.
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I am so excited for this.
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So it's, follows six designers
living in Beale Manor for 31 days
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while com- completing a renovation.
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They face elimination challenges,
testing their nerve and design skills
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as they transform the haunted mansion
spaces pursuing a $50,000 cash prize.
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Repy: Oh my God.
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Austyn: Yes, and people who
live in this area are like,
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"Yeah, that place is so scary."
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Repy: Oh my God, that sounds so good.
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Austyn: I cannot wait for it.
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I feel like that is the perfect
introduction to spooky season.
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So that, yes, that airs on Tuesday.
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Yeah and then also there's a Friday
the 13th origin TV show coming out from
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the- Yes … from the, um, the guy who
made, like, Haunting of Hill House.
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Can't wait for that.
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Repy: Mm-hmm.
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That'll
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Austyn: be
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Repy: good.
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Austyn: So we have some
good stuff coming up.
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Repy: Um, and Haunted Hotel
season two comes out- October 9th.
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Austyn: Oh, I can't wait.
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So good.
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I love that show so much.
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Yes.
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Just such a perfect show.
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Repy: It really is.
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It has
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Austyn: everything.
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I know.
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Well, and Emily dressed up as,
uh, Abaddon last year, which-
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Oh, yes … perfect, perfect.
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So we have a lot of great stuff.
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We're sliding into spooky season.
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Today is a true crime day.
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Yes.
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So shifting gears a little bit.
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And before we get into it, I wanted
to discuss something that is a
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little bit close to home to us.
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Let me see.
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I'm trying to find the latest update.
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Repy: Mm.
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Austyn: Near our hometown, there was a
murder that happened at the beginning
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of June, and it, for a while they were
not releasing the name of the victim
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All they said was that someone had been
killed in a house in Chester, New Jersey.
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Right.
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So people were kind of like, "What is
going on?" And then it kind of faded away.
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And then about a month later, they
released the identity of the victim.
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So we now know that the victim
was 30 s- 35 year old, I think
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she was 35 Brooke Hanlon.
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So Brooke Hanlon Was a new mother
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Repy: Mm-hmm
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Austyn: Her daughter was born less
than a year before this happened.
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She was a psychotherapist in
Bernardsville, New Jersey, and
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from what we can gather, she
mainly treated kids, adolescents.
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I think maybe there was some family
stuff, like she might have seen families.
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So what happened was she was at
her home in Chester, which is
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right next to where we grew up.
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We're very- Yeah … familiar
with Chester.
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That was, if you wanted to go to
the movies, that was where you
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went when we were kids- Mm-hmm
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because, uh, we were far away
from every- everywhere else.
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This was on June 6th.
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They lived in this really nice house on
this very peaceful street in Chester.
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Yeah.
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And the house is interesting because
what you would consider the first
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floor is not like the living floor.
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It's the second floor was
where I think everything was.
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The f- first floor was like the
garage and kind of basement level.
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Repy: Oh, okay.
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Austyn: And then you went upstairs
to, like, where the kitchen
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was and all of that stuff.
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So her husband, James Hanlon, who
goes by his middle name, Connor, he
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was the one who called the police.
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So he made this 911 call to police
around 4:30 in the afternoon, and
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he basically said, "I found my
wife in a pool of blood." He said
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I need you guys here immediately.
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There's a laceration to her chest."
And this 911 call has since been
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leaked, and in it he is frantic.
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Like, he is freaking out,
which you think- Yeah,
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Repy: losing his mind.
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Austyn: Yeah.
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You think, okay, like, that's
pretty- You know … understandable.
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Repy: Yeah, understandable in the moment.
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Sure.
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Austyn: Yes.
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And The call was described to the
crews getting dispatch from the
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dispatcher as a suspected cardiac
arrest, which doesn't make sense.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: But I think some of that
might be that, like- This doesn't
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happen in Chester, New Jersey.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: Like, I think they may
not have really even believed
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that this is what was happening.
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Right.
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So they just heard chest and put it
in as, like, maybe a heart attack.
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Repy: Heart attack, and they fell.
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Maybe there's blood 'cause they hit
their head when they fell or something.
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Like-
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Austyn: Yes
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…
Repy: they're not assuming the
worst because it never happens.
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Austyn: Exactly.
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So that's what it was sent in as.
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Obviously, help got there.
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Um, Conner had asked for CPR instructions.
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And it's, it, I think it's
notable that he does not have
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any, like, medical background.
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Yeah.
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From what I found- Mm-hmm … he
works in, like, construction.
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And that's why, like, the term
laceration is a little weird to me.
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It's a
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Repy: little odd, yeah.
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Austyn: Yes.
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But like, who knows?
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Repy: No, like, devil's advocate,
everyone watches fricking CSI nowadays.
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You know, we've seen- Exactly … every
episode of Criminal Minds.
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So, like, maybe he's like, " "Oh, I know
what the cops need to hear because I hear
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it all the time on…" You know, so he's
like- Yes … "A laceration and- Yeah
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heart," or whatever.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, but it is odd.
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Y- why not just- It's a little
weird … say cut, right?
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Austyn: Yeah, 'cause
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Repy: I- Or stab wound or whatever
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…
Austyn: I feel like if I was in
that situation, I would be like, "Oh
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my God, she's been stabbed in the
chest. Like, there's blood." Yeah.
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Like, like, I don't think
I'd go to laceration.
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But who knows?
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Everyone reacts differently.
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Yeah.
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So what I've gathered from stuff
online, which, like, take that with
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a grain of salt was that Conner
had gone to the hardware store.
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Repy: Mm-hmm.
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Austyn: And when he came
back, he found Brooke stabbed.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: So I mean, knowing the area
a little bit, it seems like he hadn't
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been gone for that long because- Right
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things are, are fairly localized.
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Pretty close, yeah.
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Yes.
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So we're talking, like, maybe
20 minutes, 30 minutes- 30
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Repy: minutes if He's, like,
browsing … yeah, yeah, have, you
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know- Yeah … ran into someone.
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Austyn: Exactly.
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So we're not talking
a huge amount of time.
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Their daughter was in the home.
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She was unharmed luckily.
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And the Morris County Medical
Examiner's Office stated that there
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were multiple sharp force injuries and
that the manner of death was homicide.
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Yeah.
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So there were multiple pretty
much stab wounds- to the chest.
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People immediately were like, "How
could this happen?" obviously, because
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again, this doesn't happen there.
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And obviously they were
like, "The husband did it."
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Repy: Right.
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Austyn: Because, you know, we
all know that statement, like
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you know, it's always the spouse.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: And then people were like, "Well,
if it wasn't the spouse, maybe it was
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like a disgruntled patient or the parent
of a patient." And my issue with that
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is how would they know that there was
this window of time when they- Right
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could break into the house?
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Like this pretty short
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Repy: window.
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I mean, you'd have to be pretty
lucky to just stumble upon that.
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Like-
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Austyn: You would either have to
be actively staking out the house-
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Repy: Yeah
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…
Austyn: or know something about their
routines- Yeah … or their plans, right?
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Yes.
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So that, that
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Repy: strikes me as odd.
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And also it's like, yeah, maybe the
husband wouldn't know if there's a
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disgruntled patient or something,
but normally someone else in the
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business she's working for would be
aware that like, "Hey, this- Mm-hmm
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patient's dangerous," or, "Hey, the,"
like- Yeah … "I had to le- " you know.
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There's
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Austyn: some issue.
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Repy: Yeah … I had to stop
seeing them 'cause they were
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inappropriate or whatever,
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Austyn: yeah.
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So there's all of that going on.
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And in the immediate aftermath, neighbors
were trying to get in touch with Connor.
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He was not answering.
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They noted that his, uh, car was still
in the driveway, so no one knew where
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he was and people were, like, concerned.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: And it appears that he
actually went to Boston, where
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he's from, to stay with family.
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And then I think Brooke's sister
posted something on her daughter's
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birthday, Brooke's daughter's birthday,
her first birthday, about the child
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being with her for her first birthday.
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So- Right … it seems like Connor did
not take their daughter with him to
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Boston- Mm-hmm … and that their daughter
remained with the family in New Jersey.
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And- Right … Brooke's
father gave a statement.
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He's a lawyer, and he works kind of, like,
as retained counsel for pharmaceutical
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companies, or at least he did.
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I think he might be retired now.
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He gave a statement basically saying,
like, you know, "My daughter was this
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great person. She helped people. She
loved kids." Just, you know, one of
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those heartbreaking statements after
something- Yeah … like this happens.
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But that triggered- Like this statement
and looking into this and hearing
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about this triggered a memory- Mm-hmm
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for my dad.
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Mm-hmm.
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And he was like, "Wait, they
lived down the street from
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us when you were a kid." Oh,
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Repy: yes.
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Austyn: So they lived on my street a
couple houses down before Brooke was,
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her, before her last name was Hanlon.
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Mm-hmm.
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and So, you know, my dad,
my parents knew her parents.
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We were very similar ages.
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Right.
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So we would do, like,
neighborhood things together.
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Right.
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So like-
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Repy: Barbecues.
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H- yeah,
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Austyn: we had a H- like a Halloween
parade every year that ended- … at
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the cul-de-sac right past her house.
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So like we, we played as kids.
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Right.
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And I don't really remember her.
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Like to be frank I really
don't remember her.
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Repy: Mm-hmm.
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Austyn: Um, I remember her family's name.
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Yes.
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And I remember, like, my parents
mentioning them and stuff like that, but
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they lived right down the street, like
a couple houses down from me until I
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think, until like high school-ish for her.
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Mm-hmm.
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And we did not go to high school together
because she went to a private school.
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Repy: Right.
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Austyn: So she was not in the public
school, and I think they moved to
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Chester from Mendham at some point.
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So that was very weird to me.
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I was like, "That is so crazy-"
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Repy: That's,
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Austyn: yeah- … that like-
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Repy: That's wild.
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Austyn: Yeah, and again,
like this doesn't happen.
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So- Right … like in this area, this
very rarely happens, especially something
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th- like this which, you know, spoiler
alert, no arrests have been made.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: There's, nothing has happened
in this case since the day it happened.
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The Morris County Prosecutor's
Office is asking for information.
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They set up a, a Crime
Stoppers line about it
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Minnie.
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Repy: She broke the door open.
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Austyn: Oh my God.
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So yes, they're asking for information,
which like to me is never a good sign.
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Repy: Yeah.
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Austyn: But what also gets me is
that they're offering a $1,000
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reward, up to $1,000 reward, which
like for this area is nothing.
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Repy: Nothing.
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I
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Austyn: mean- Yes
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…
i- Like, this should be $100,000 reward.
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Repy: Yes that Is insane, $1,000.
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Austyn: Yes, 'cause this is a,
an affluent suburb in New Jersey.
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Repy: That's like what kids get
as a weekly allowance there.
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00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:23,674
Austyn: Yeah, exactly.
495
00:19:23,684 --> 00:19:23,714
Repy: Like,
496
00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:25,032
Austyn: It's nothing.
497
00:19:25,042 --> 00:19:28,612
Like, that's not even the
monthly taxes for a house.
498
00:19:28,662 --> 00:19:29,082
Repy: Yeah.
499
00:19:29,782 --> 00:19:33,632
Austyn: Like, I think my
parents', like, monthly taxes
500
00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:35,062
for their house is six grand.
501
00:19:35,152 --> 00:19:35,452
Repy: Yeah.
502
00:19:35,532 --> 00:19:36,622
Austyn: Like that is nothing.
503
00:19:36,622 --> 00:19:44,492
So that in it of itself is
like mind-boggling to me.
504
00:19:44,492 --> 00:19:50,082
So- That's going on, and then I just
also, since I heard about this, was just
505
00:19:50,082 --> 00:19:54,782
thinking, like, the police department
there is not equipped for this.
506
00:19:54,782 --> 00:19:54,912
No.
507
00:19:54,962 --> 00:19:59,252
Like, they do not know how to handle
this, and that's not a knock against them.
508
00:19:59,772 --> 00:20:01,132
They've never had to.
509
00:20:01,492 --> 00:20:05,522
Repy: Yeah, they just don't… Like,
when there are murders in this kind of
510
00:20:05,542 --> 00:20:10,852
area, it's almost always a wife against a
husband or a husband against a wife, and
511
00:20:10,852 --> 00:20:13,342
it's almost always immediately solved.
512
00:20:13,652 --> 00:20:16,052
Like, it- Yes … like, the
husband is still there standing
513
00:20:16,052 --> 00:20:17,302
over the body type stuff.
514
00:20:17,902 --> 00:20:18,392
Like- Mm-hmm
515
00:20:18,532 --> 00:20:23,052
those are really the only murders they've
ever seen, and even that is, like, once
516
00:20:23,052 --> 00:20:25,242
in a while, maybe once every 10 years.
517
00:20:25,272 --> 00:20:25,632
Like-
518
00:20:25,742 --> 00:20:26,632
Austyn: Exactly.
519
00:20:26,772 --> 00:20:28,102
It's not like that.
520
00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:28,502
Yeah.
521
00:20:28,502 --> 00:20:33,782
So and I think people have been very
critical of the investigation so far.
522
00:20:33,792 --> 00:20:36,912
Mm. And I think you kind of
have to keep that in mind.
523
00:20:36,912 --> 00:20:40,872
I don't know how processing the
scene went or anything like that.
524
00:20:40,872 --> 00:20:40,882
Right.
525
00:20:40,882 --> 00:20:44,842
I hope that they called in
the county people to help.
526
00:20:44,842 --> 00:20:49,172
Mm. Because, again, no reason
for these police officers to
527
00:20:49,172 --> 00:20:51,732
know w- how to handle this.
528
00:20:52,032 --> 00:20:56,192
Repy: But also, I bet you they
destroyed some evidence just going
529
00:20:56,192 --> 00:20:57,842
in thinking it's a heart attack.
530
00:20:58,182 --> 00:20:58,332
Exactly.
531
00:20:58,332 --> 00:21:02,002
You immediately are grabbing for people,
moving people, 'cause you're not thinking,
532
00:21:02,022 --> 00:21:05,372
"Oh, someone's been stabbed," even
if you see blood, 'cause, like, okay,
533
00:21:05,372 --> 00:21:06,712
they hit their head when they fell.
534
00:21:06,712 --> 00:21:09,742
Like, people are- Yeah … bleeding all
the time after heart attacks, so, like-
535
00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:10,642
Austyn: Exactly
536
00:21:10,822 --> 00:21:13,272
…
Repy: they didn't go in- So
it's- … thinking this is a stabbing.
537
00:21:13,822 --> 00:21:14,382
Austyn: Yes.
538
00:21:14,692 --> 00:21:22,772
So this thing is still ongoing, and
my fear is that it becomes one of
539
00:21:22,772 --> 00:21:26,132
those things where it's like, well,
everyone kind of knows who did it,
540
00:21:26,142 --> 00:21:28,202
but there just isn't enough evidence.
541
00:21:28,332 --> 00:21:28,822
Repy: Right.
542
00:21:29,182 --> 00:21:32,542
Austyn: And I'm sure we're waiting on DNA.
543
00:21:32,582 --> 00:21:35,842
I'm sure we're waiting on all of
toxicology, all of that stuff,
544
00:21:36,322 --> 00:21:42,582
but it is just crazy to me that it
seems like so little is being done.
545
00:21:42,722 --> 00:21:43,102
Repy: Yeah.
546
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:48,720
Austyn: They had the funeral at
Bailey, where- Mm … last time we were
547
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,520
there was for your grandma's funeral.
548
00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:51,090
Repy: Grandma,
549
00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:51,550
Austyn: yeah,
550
00:21:51,630 --> 00:21:53,870
Repy: and- They bury all of my family.
551
00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:54,810
Austyn: They do.
552
00:21:54,810 --> 00:22:00,070
I I have been to that funeral home
so many times- Yeah … in my life.
553
00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:00,970
Like, it's crazy.
554
00:22:00,970 --> 00:22:04,420
Like, you know, for classmates'
parents and stuff like- Yeah … that.
555
00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:07,250
And obviously f- mostly for your family.
556
00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:10,060
Repy: Yeah, kinda.
557
00:22:10,060 --> 00:22:13,790
Austyn: But, like, seeing that
posting from, like, the funeral
558
00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:15,500
home was, like, it's just so crazy.
559
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:17,100
It's so- Yes … close to home.
560
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:21,960
And just to think that we're
at this standstill is wild.
561
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:25,270
And I know stuff like h- this
happens every single day,
562
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,480
but then I see, like- Not
563
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,020
Repy: here.
564
00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:33,030
Austyn: No, but then I see, like,
TikTokers talking about it, and I'm like-
565
00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:33,320
Repy: Yeah
566
00:22:33,330 --> 00:22:35,050
…
Austyn: this is nuts.
567
00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:35,630
Repy: Yeah.
568
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,270
It's nuts to- So- … even hear
someone else talking about Chester,
569
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:41,490
New Jersey, unless you're- Yeah
570
00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:42,010
from the area,
571
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:42,540
Austyn: exactly.
572
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,010
No one talks about Chester.
573
00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:45,020
Who the fuck cares?
574
00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:45,240
Repy: I know.
575
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:45,540
Who cares?
576
00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:47,170
Austyn: Yeah.
577
00:22:47,170 --> 00:22:47,680
It's like-
578
00:22:47,770 --> 00:22:47,860
Repy: Chester sucks.
579
00:22:48,190 --> 00:22:48,910
Austyn: Exactly.
580
00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:51,540
Like, that's where we went for
Chinese food as kids, like.
581
00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:51,790
Yeah,
582
00:22:51,790 --> 00:22:52,030
Repy: and then
583
00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:53,030
Austyn: they closed- Because we literally-
584
00:22:53,030 --> 00:22:53,170
…
Repy: the movie theater.
585
00:22:53,170 --> 00:22:54,170
Fuck Chester.
586
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:56,240
Austyn: Then, yeah, and then
they closed the movie theater.
587
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:01,760
Like, we, that was all we had to
do Mm-hmm … was go to Chester.
588
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,700
Repy: And, and so you could get,
like, our, like, Frappuccinos
589
00:23:05,710 --> 00:23:06,980
that had no coffee in them.
590
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:08,110
Austyn: Yeah.
591
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:13,610
And then also they had, like, the
only two fast foods in the area.
592
00:23:13,820 --> 00:23:14,110
Oh, yes.
593
00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:14,560
Repy: Yeah.
594
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,230
Austyn: So they had a
Burger King and a Wendy's.
595
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:16,260
And a Wendy's.
596
00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:19,380
I knew so many people that worked
at that Burger King in high school.
597
00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:19,780
Yeah.
598
00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:21,380
Our friend Ray worked there.
599
00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:21,760
Repy: Yeah.
600
00:23:21,910 --> 00:23:25,600
Austyn: Like, it was just the
place you went to do anything.
601
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:25,610
Anything.
602
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:30,190
Like, we Would go to the TJ
Maxx and then go to the movies
603
00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:31,320
and then get Chinese food.
604
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,940
Like, that was- Yeah … what we
did on the weekends, you know?
605
00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:34,340
Mm-hmm.
606
00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:36,270
Because the other option was Morristown.
607
00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:38,740
That had a lot of other stuff, but
people thought it was dangerous.
608
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:44,400
Repy: Yes, and also, like, you could
go to Rockaway, which had the mall,
609
00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:46,370
but that's a wa- 30 minutes away.
610
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,380
Yeah, 30 minutes away,
611
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:47,800
Austyn: yes.
612
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,320
unless You're from the area,
like, this is such niche shit.
613
00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:51,870
Repy: Yeah.
614
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,030
Austyn: But yeah, I mean, like, my
parents looked at houses to buy on
615
00:23:57,030 --> 00:24:00,050
that road when I was- Yeah … an
infant before they moved to Mendham.
616
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,780
Like, it's just so close to everything,
and- Mm-hmm … also, like, this is
617
00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:09,820
someone who's around our age, who
is literally in the same profession
618
00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:13,342
as me- who I played with as a child.
619
00:24:13,342 --> 00:24:13,712
Like-
620
00:24:13,832 --> 00:24:17,322
Repy: Who, like- It's crazy … has a
similar upbringing, like family-wise.
621
00:24:17,322 --> 00:24:18,602
Austyn: Very similar, yeah.
622
00:24:18,602 --> 00:24:22,682
Repy: It like, yeah, it just is very
like, remember, it could have been you.
623
00:24:22,752 --> 00:24:23,172
You know what I mean?
624
00:24:23,172 --> 00:24:23,202
Like-
625
00:24:23,202 --> 00:24:25,022
Austyn: Yeah, absolutely.
626
00:24:25,052 --> 00:24:29,432
And it's like maybe you just marry
the wrong person- or maybe you
627
00:24:29,432 --> 00:24:33,492
treat the wrong person, or maybe
someone is just in the area- Yeah
628
00:24:33,502 --> 00:24:34,152
and is like, cool.
629
00:24:34,382 --> 00:24:38,852
Repy: There is a chance, right, that
someone was just a stalker, had nothing
630
00:24:38,852 --> 00:24:41,156
to do- with anything we, they spoke about.
631
00:24:41,336 --> 00:24:42,706
Just a random stalker.
632
00:24:43,196 --> 00:24:43,276
Exactly.
633
00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:46,626
He saw his opportunity and
took it, 'cause men are creeps.
634
00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:50,136
Austyn: Well, and also it's like it could
be someone she went to high school with.
635
00:24:50,416 --> 00:24:50,666
Repy: Right.
636
00:24:50,686 --> 00:24:51,966
Austyn: People stay in that area.
637
00:24:51,976 --> 00:24:53,596
Like, who knows?
638
00:24:53,606 --> 00:24:53,626
Yeah.
639
00:24:53,706 --> 00:24:55,196
Who knows what was going on?
640
00:24:55,546 --> 00:24:58,446
But we have no answers,
and it's been months.
641
00:24:58,976 --> 00:25:02,146
So I'm trying to keep up on that.
642
00:25:02,396 --> 00:25:06,636
Again, listen, if anyone knows
anything or has information-
643
00:25:07,226 --> 00:25:07,516
Repy: Yeah
644
00:25:07,556 --> 00:25:08,966
…
Austyn: call the hotline, man.
645
00:25:09,006 --> 00:25:09,560
It's literally- You could
646
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,710
Repy: get $1,000.
647
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:12,409
Austyn: You get up to- Which is a lot-
648
00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:13,730
$1,000
649
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:15,740
…
Repy: for people who
don't live in the area.
650
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:16,610
Austyn: Yes.
651
00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:21,030
But you literally just
have to call 973-COP-CALL.
652
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:24,670
Which is also wild-
653
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:26,990
Repy: And no one wants to call that line.
654
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,280
Austyn: No.
655
00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:27,860
COP-CALL.
656
00:25:27,923 --> 00:25:31,353
Also, are we done with
the having it be letters?
657
00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:32,103
It's numbers.
658
00:25:32,103 --> 00:25:33,233
Just say the numbers.
659
00:25:33,243 --> 00:25:35,423
Yeah, like- No one has
the clicky phone anymore.
660
00:25:35,473 --> 00:25:36,053
Repy: Yeah.
661
00:25:36,933 --> 00:25:37,093
Austyn: Yeah.
662
00:25:37,273 --> 00:25:40,571
So Yeah, a horrific tragedy.
663
00:25:40,971 --> 00:25:41,421
Repy: Mm-hmm.
664
00:25:41,931 --> 00:25:42,711
Austyn: Brand new mother.
665
00:25:42,711 --> 00:25:47,801
Now her daughter has to grow up without
her mom, which is completely fucked up.
666
00:25:48,221 --> 00:25:49,741
Repy: And potentially-
Um … without her dad.
667
00:25:50,751 --> 00:25:51,891
Austyn: Potentially without her dad.
668
00:25:51,891 --> 00:25:52,431
We'll see.
669
00:25:52,631 --> 00:25:58,267
Oh, now I'm seeing someone…
Oh, so now, okay, as of six days
670
00:25:58,267 --> 00:26:01,657
ago, Connor broke his silence.
671
00:26:01,947 --> 00:26:02,227
Repy: Oh.
672
00:26:02,327 --> 00:26:04,967
Austyn: He says that this is a tragedy.
673
00:26:04,977 --> 00:26:07,407
He denied any involvement.
674
00:26:07,787 --> 00:26:09,735
Yeah, I mean
675
00:26:11,785 --> 00:26:13,515
For now, no suspect.
676
00:26:14,015 --> 00:26:15,545
There's no suspects.
677
00:26:16,235 --> 00:26:17,115
That's what they say.
678
00:26:18,385 --> 00:26:21,425
Repy: Well, thank God he broke
his silence for fucking nothing.
679
00:26:21,675 --> 00:26:23,775
Austyn: I know, just to
be like, "It wasn't me."
680
00:26:24,735 --> 00:26:26,035
Repy: And it was a tragedy.
681
00:26:26,055 --> 00:26:28,500
It's like, thanks, we all fucking knew
it was a tragedy- Yeah … whether
682
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:29,425
you spoke or not, buddy.
683
00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:30,655
Austyn: Exactly.
684
00:26:30,685 --> 00:26:33,325
It's like, no, we were all thinking
that you were happy about it.
685
00:26:33,335 --> 00:26:33,685
Repy: Yeah,
686
00:26:33,735 --> 00:26:34,655
Austyn: Like, okay.
687
00:26:34,775 --> 00:26:35,461
So yeah.
688
00:26:36,391 --> 00:26:37,761
Horrific case.
689
00:26:38,091 --> 00:26:42,291
Um- Yes … so we'll see if
there's any updates about that.
690
00:26:43,431 --> 00:26:46,591
Either way, we just hope
something comes out of it.
691
00:26:46,591 --> 00:26:46,951
Yeah.
692
00:26:46,961 --> 00:26:50,531
Because right now- Some
answers … it's kind of unacceptable.
693
00:26:50,631 --> 00:26:53,644
But today we are talking
about solved cold cases.
694
00:26:53,664 --> 00:26:54,634
We're going from an- Yay
695
00:26:54,634 --> 00:26:58,764
unsolved hot case to solved cold cases.
696
00:26:58,944 --> 00:27:02,707
I believe you go first-
Ooh, okay … this time.
697
00:27:02,867 --> 00:27:04,342
So- Who's to say?
698
00:27:04,652 --> 00:27:05,412
Let's get into it.
699
00:27:05,412 --> 00:27:06,422
Yeah, who is to say?
700
00:27:06,582 --> 00:27:06,932
Repy: Yeah.
701
00:27:08,042 --> 00:27:13,449
Okay, I Am gonna talk today about ch-
a baby named Chelsea Jane Doe, okay?
702
00:27:13,739 --> 00:27:13,829
Okay.
703
00:27:13,829 --> 00:27:14,559
Not really a baby.
704
00:27:14,589 --> 00:27:15,479
Well, we'll get into it.
705
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:21,130
For over 25 years, investigators
in Massachusetts had this case
706
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:22,490
that they could not solve.
707
00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:26,959
It was that of a young woman who had
been brutally murdered, but nobody
708
00:27:26,959 --> 00:27:34,969
knew her name and, uh, she was named
Chelsea Jane Doe because she was
709
00:27:34,969 --> 00:27:36,629
found in Chelsea, Massachusetts.
710
00:27:36,709 --> 00:27:37,119
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
711
00:27:41,379 --> 00:27:41,649
Repy: Okay.
712
00:27:43,569 --> 00:27:50,219
So on November 13th, 2000, police find
the remains of an unidentified young
713
00:27:50,219 --> 00:27:56,879
woman at Soldiers Home in Chelsea,
which is like a, like a place that
714
00:27:56,879 --> 00:27:58,859
serves vet- veterans like a, um-
715
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,440
…
Not like a Lions Club.
716
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:04,050
Austyn: Oh, like a, a VFW?
717
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:06,320
Repy: Yes, like a VFW-
Okay … type thing.
718
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,499
The victim, it was clear, had
suffered extreme violence.
719
00:28:10,499 --> 00:28:15,443
They said her body had been dismembered
and her head and hands were missing.
720
00:28:15,523 --> 00:28:19,026
So they didn't know who she was and
they didn't have any, obviously,
721
00:28:19,026 --> 00:28:20,386
fingerprints or anything like that.
722
00:28:20,466 --> 00:28:22,600
So they dubbed her the Chelsea Jane Doe.
723
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,537
So immediately, obviously, this
begins a major investigation involving
724
00:28:27,537 --> 00:28:29,567
local and state police officers.
725
00:28:30,187 --> 00:28:30,387
Austyn: Yeah.
726
00:28:32,185 --> 00:28:32,245
Repy: Here.
727
00:28:32,345 --> 00:28:35,951
So They searched for as many
clues as they possibly could.
728
00:28:35,951 --> 00:28:37,221
They combed the area.
729
00:28:37,341 --> 00:28:41,903
They even, like, some people
said they dug out part of the
730
00:28:44,211 --> 00:28:46,711
like parking lot around the
sides of the parking lot to see
731
00:28:46,711 --> 00:28:47,941
if there was anything in there.
732
00:28:48,121 --> 00:28:51,536
But eventually investigators
realized they weren't gonna
733
00:28:51,546 --> 00:28:53,896
find anything at that location.
734
00:28:54,156 --> 00:28:58,724
But they did eventually find additional
remains at a place called Na-
735
00:29:00,334 --> 00:29:04,774
Nahant Beach, N-A-H-A-N-T, Nahant-
736
00:29:04,994 --> 00:29:05,434
…
Beach.
737
00:29:05,644 --> 00:29:05,934
Um, so- Or
738
00:29:05,934 --> 00:29:06,864
Austyn: Nahant.
739
00:29:06,934 --> 00:29:08,344
Repy: Or Nahant, yeah.
740
00:29:08,404 --> 00:29:08,824
Austyn: Okay.
741
00:29:09,324 --> 00:29:12,544
Repy: The victim's head and hands
had been buried in the sand.
742
00:29:12,564 --> 00:29:16,300
And the discovery provided
investigators with obviously additional
743
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,981
evidence but really they couldn't
determine the identity still.
744
00:29:21,991 --> 00:29:22,461
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
745
00:29:22,641 --> 00:29:28,721
Repy: Obviously at this point it had been
a pretty long time and she had been buried
746
00:29:28,721 --> 00:29:33,011
in sand, so you can imagine- Yeah … the
remains were probably not in great shape.
747
00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:40,268
Okay, so for years they have no
idea who this woman even is, what
748
00:29:40,268 --> 00:29:46,204
happened to her, where she was from,
, years later, in February of 2005-
749
00:29:46,924 --> 00:29:47,184
Austyn: Mm-hmm
750
00:29:47,184 --> 00:29:51,044
…
Repy: investigators stumble
upon a man named Eugene McCollum
751
00:29:51,394 --> 00:29:52,824
from Lynn, Massachusetts.
752
00:29:53,404 --> 00:30:01,911
So he had met… He had been arrested
for basically soliciting unidentified
753
00:30:02,521 --> 00:30:04,681
and underage teen- teenagers.
754
00:30:05,271 --> 00:30:05,871
Austyn: Yikes.
755
00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:10,931
Repy: In Lynn, in specifically
the YMCA there, apparently.
756
00:30:10,941 --> 00:30:12,191
It said that several times.
757
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:12,921
Okay.
758
00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:14,901
Austyn: Y- again, yikes.
759
00:30:14,931 --> 00:30:16,531
Repy: Bad publicity for the old YMCA.
760
00:30:17,581 --> 00:30:18,481
Austyn: Yes.
761
00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:22,811
Repy: So in 2005, he pleaded
guilty for that case.
762
00:30:23,051 --> 00:30:31,209
And that is, so basically he pleaded
guilty to, and like agreed to
763
00:30:31,219 --> 00:30:35,079
tell them about other women he'd
killed for like a lighter sentence.
764
00:30:35,789 --> 00:30:36,209
Austyn: Okay.
765
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:40,052
Repy: So eventually he directed
investigators to a location where he had
766
00:30:40,062 --> 00:30:44,396
buried a victim's head and other body
parts and it turned out to be that beach.
767
00:30:44,416 --> 00:30:45,906
So they kinda put it together.
768
00:30:45,916 --> 00:30:45,926
Austyn: Oh.
769
00:30:46,726 --> 00:30:52,786
Repy: But McCollum had said that the
woman was a, and this is his words not
770
00:30:52,786 --> 00:30:58,216
mine, a prostitute in the area, so that
he didn't know like who she was, what
771
00:30:58,246 --> 00:31:00,356
her age was, where she was from, right?
772
00:31:01,106 --> 00:31:01,576
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
773
00:31:01,946 --> 00:31:06,676
Repy: And this is where
it gets kinda like shitty.
774
00:31:08,906 --> 00:31:09,896
Soda burps.
775
00:31:10,446 --> 00:31:10,776
Okay.
776
00:31:11,156 --> 00:31:14,378
Because after everyone finds
out that this body probably
777
00:31:14,378 --> 00:31:17,158
belonged to that of a sex worker-
778
00:31:17,638 --> 00:31:18,158
Austyn: Mm-hmm
779
00:31:18,268 --> 00:31:20,868
Repy: a bunch of stories come out,
and they're posting this everywhere.
780
00:31:21,008 --> 00:31:23,610
And people start to care less, right?
781
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:24,080
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
782
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:29,890
Repy: So this one article talks about
this 2023 study conducted by the CSE
783
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:37,100
Institute and published in Villanova
Law, which talks about how 468 news
784
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:42,988
articles found that how the media
portrays commercial sexual exploitations
785
00:31:44,198 --> 00:31:50,718
and how much the audience cares
for the, that case go hand-in-hand.
786
00:31:50,718 --> 00:31:51,218
Mm-hmm.
787
00:31:51,288 --> 00:31:51,558
Right?
788
00:31:51,558 --> 00:31:51,858
So-
789
00:31:52,448 --> 00:31:52,898
Austyn: Yeah
790
00:31:55,646 --> 00:32:02,166
Repy: In 82% of cases, the media
minimalized violence against people
791
00:32:02,166 --> 00:32:05,306
who were deemed sex workers, right?
792
00:32:05,306 --> 00:32:12,376
So it's like, and this is gonna sound
blunt, but it's like, oh, a 16-year-old
793
00:32:13,226 --> 00:32:19,526
teenager, you know, cheerleader from
high school was raped and murdered.
794
00:32:19,556 --> 00:32:21,416
Everyone's horrified, right?
795
00:32:21,426 --> 00:32:21,786
Austyn: Yeah.
796
00:32:22,166 --> 00:32:26,886
Repy: A sex worker is raped and murdered,
and they go, "Well, she was a sex worker"
797
00:32:27,346 --> 00:32:27,756
Austyn: Yeah.
798
00:32:28,166 --> 00:32:28,596
Repy: You know?
799
00:32:28,606 --> 00:32:28,946
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
800
00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:29,256
Repy: And like-
801
00:32:29,256 --> 00:32:31,686
Austyn: Yeah, like we've
talked about the less dead.
802
00:32:31,746 --> 00:32:32,456
Repy: Yes.
803
00:32:32,706 --> 00:32:32,996
Austyn: Yeah.
804
00:32:33,056 --> 00:32:37,416
Repy: The other part of this problem
is when they deemed it a sex worker,
805
00:32:37,436 --> 00:32:42,696
and this is coming from a person who
had killed multiple people, so he could
806
00:32:42,706 --> 00:32:44,406
be getting people confused, right?
807
00:32:44,436 --> 00:32:44,856
Austyn: Yeah.
808
00:32:44,876 --> 00:32:46,136
Repy: He could also just be lying.
809
00:32:47,296 --> 00:32:54,006
But they basically put in the records that
they had that she was, I think, between
810
00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:58,026
the ages of 20 and 25, and a sex worker,
811
00:32:58,326 --> 00:32:58,606
Austyn: right?
812
00:32:58,776 --> 00:32:59,216
Okay.
813
00:32:59,636 --> 00:33:03,946
Repy: Well now, if anyone is looking
for someone who doesn't fit that
814
00:33:03,946 --> 00:33:07,836
description, who wasn't a sex worker,
they're not looking in that file.
815
00:33:07,846 --> 00:33:07,946
They're not gonna.
816
00:33:08,576 --> 00:33:08,826
Austyn: Yes.
817
00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:09,096
Right?
818
00:33:09,956 --> 00:33:16,666
Repy: So now we're gonna go to a
woman named Tiffany Bradley, okay?
819
00:33:16,676 --> 00:33:16,716
Mm-hmm.
820
00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:19,026
A girl named Tiffany Bradley.
821
00:33:19,586 --> 00:33:24,523
Tiffany Bradley was from Allentown,
Pennsylvania, and she was 16 years old
822
00:33:24,523 --> 00:33:26,723
when she disappeared in November of 2000.
823
00:33:27,423 --> 00:33:27,763
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
824
00:33:27,763 --> 00:33:33,773
Repy: Only days before her 17th birthday,
and five days before the body was found.
825
00:33:34,233 --> 00:33:37,754
Her family reported her missing
on November 8th of 2000.
826
00:33:38,504 --> 00:33:44,434
According to her family, Tiffany was
athletic, she loved basketball, she
827
00:33:44,434 --> 00:33:50,274
was in JROTC, she loved to draw and
dance, and all of her friends remember
828
00:33:50,274 --> 00:33:52,534
her as being loving and joyful.
829
00:33:52,794 --> 00:33:58,542
So when she disappeared, her
family sent, spent like obviously
830
00:33:58,662 --> 00:34:00,332
years looking for her, right?
831
00:34:00,332 --> 00:34:02,432
They contacted other states.
832
00:34:02,552 --> 00:34:07,787
They put out like reward offerings
and things like that, looking
833
00:34:07,787 --> 00:34:14,117
for her age, you know, a Black
teenager- Mm-hmm … from the area.
834
00:34:14,537 --> 00:34:22,151
One of Tiffany's best friends, Helen Maria
Rivera remembers last speaking to Tiffany.
835
00:34:22,231 --> 00:34:26,571
She said she used to speak with
a slight lisp that kind of curled
836
00:34:26,571 --> 00:34:28,051
around the words she spoke.
837
00:34:28,251 --> 00:34:28,571
Mm-hmm.
838
00:34:28,671 --> 00:34:31,714
Sh- she said, "I would always call
her Birdie, 'cause she sounded like
839
00:34:31,714 --> 00:34:33,414
a bird when she would speak." Aw.
840
00:34:33,424 --> 00:34:36,284
"And I would say, 'Okay, Birdie,'
and she would call me Pocahontas,
841
00:34:36,304 --> 00:34:38,074
'cause my hair was long."
842
00:34:38,844 --> 00:34:39,124
Austyn: Aw.
843
00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:42,794
Such, like, child stuff to do.
844
00:34:42,944 --> 00:34:43,184
Repy: Yes.
845
00:34:43,284 --> 00:34:47,594
They Grew up together, and even though
they attended different middle schools,
846
00:34:48,074 --> 00:34:51,784
they remained friends until they
started attending the same high school.
847
00:34:51,944 --> 00:34:57,460
And they would walk to school every day
together with Bradley's brother, Stefan.
848
00:34:58,130 --> 00:35:02,960
And then one morning, she says Stefan
came out to meet her to walk to school,
849
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:08,203
and she asked where sh- Tiff was,
and he said, "She's just not here.
850
00:35:08,213 --> 00:35:14,693
She's gone, done run away." Because when
Tiffany first went missing, the police
851
00:35:14,693 --> 00:35:17,033
were convinced that she had run away.
852
00:35:17,873 --> 00:35:18,203
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
853
00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:22,014
Repy: Even though all of this stuff
everyone was saying all of this stuff.
854
00:35:22,024 --> 00:35:24,554
She was a great athlete.
855
00:35:24,584 --> 00:35:25,394
She loved her life.
856
00:35:25,394 --> 00:35:26,474
She had lots of friends.
857
00:35:26,854 --> 00:35:28,514
She was in JROTC.
858
00:35:28,524 --> 00:35:29,754
She was on sports.
859
00:35:29,764 --> 00:35:29,794
Okay.
860
00:35:29,804 --> 00:35:34,424
Like… And they were just like, "Yeah,
but you know kids. Like, don't worry about
861
00:35:34,424 --> 00:35:37,994
it. I bet in a few days she'll come back,"
was basically what the police told them.
862
00:35:38,664 --> 00:35:39,124
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
863
00:35:40,998 --> 00:35:47,258
Repy: she also was very close to
her cousin, who was named Big Tiff
864
00:35:47,278 --> 00:35:48,418
'cause they were both Tiffany.
865
00:35:48,678 --> 00:35:51,883
And so she was always called Little
Tiff by her family and stuff.
866
00:35:52,203 --> 00:35:56,596
So Tiffany lived in Colorado, but they
always spoke on the phone all the time.
867
00:35:57,156 --> 00:35:57,556
Um-
868
00:35:57,566 --> 00:35:58,796
Austyn: Mm-hmm.
869
00:35:58,806 --> 00:36:03,758
Repy: She says that Tiffany was smart,
she was great at sports, great in at
870
00:36:03,789 --> 00:36:07,139
basketball, and she saw her every summer.
871
00:36:07,819 --> 00:36:10,809
And when they were younger, she
used to babysit her, and she said
872
00:36:10,819 --> 00:36:15,019
that she was, you know, your typical
teenager: loving, outgoing, and sporty.
873
00:36:15,029 --> 00:36:16,369
She wouldn't just run away.
874
00:36:16,489 --> 00:36:16,499
Okay?
875
00:36:16,529 --> 00:36:20,322
So when she disappeared, like
I said, the police kinda said,
876
00:36:20,322 --> 00:36:22,392
like, she probably ran away.
877
00:36:22,462 --> 00:36:26,003
When it became clearer that she hadn't
just run away that something had
878
00:36:26,013 --> 00:36:30,233
happened, the police kinda doubled
down and was like, "Well, you know,
879
00:36:30,233 --> 00:36:34,483
maybe she was unhappy and she doesn't
wanna come back, you know, and that's
880
00:36:34,483 --> 00:36:35,743
why you're not hearing from her.
881
00:36:35,783 --> 00:36:39,023
Like, maybe she's not gonna just come
back in a few day like a typical runaway.
882
00:36:39,023 --> 00:36:41,083
Maybe she was sad," whatever.
883
00:36:41,483 --> 00:36:44,711
And all of her friends
say none of this was true.
884
00:36:44,871 --> 00:36:48,941
They say it didn't make any sense that
she would be so unhappy that she would
885
00:36:48,941 --> 00:36:50,801
run away and not tell her family.
886
00:36:51,391 --> 00:36:51,651
Um-
887
00:36:51,651 --> 00:36:52,001
Austyn: Yeah
888
00:36:53,511 --> 00:36:58,451
…
Repy: her one friend says that she used
to tell Tiffany all the time about how,
889
00:36:58,451 --> 00:37:03,011
like, her family was abusive and her
family was horrible, and Tiffany always,
890
00:37:03,011 --> 00:37:07,113
like, listened and always would just
talk about how she was lucky to have
891
00:37:07,123 --> 00:37:09,323
the family she has and stuff like that.
892
00:37:09,813 --> 00:37:16,193
So it didn't really seem like she was so
unhappy that she would wanna just leave.
893
00:37:16,923 --> 00:37:17,323
Austyn: Yeah.
894
00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:18,533
Repy: Ba.
895
00:37:27,025 --> 00:37:31,179
Oh, so Tiffany's big Tiff,
not little Tiff, sister-
896
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:31,709
Austyn: Yes
897
00:37:31,929 --> 00:37:37,559
…
Repy: shakira also told, spoke at a
conference later, years after this crime
898
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,197
had been committed, and said that th- when
they would ask the police for more help,
899
00:37:42,247 --> 00:37:46,757
like they would ask, they would go to
New York and Philadelphia and stuff, they
900
00:37:46,837 --> 00:37:52,577
said that, like they basically just were
like, "You're not gonna find anything.
901
00:37:52,587 --> 00:37:56,057
She ran away." They were also
just as equally unhelpful.
902
00:37:56,177 --> 00:38:01,598
And then not long after she
disappeared, both of her parents died.
903
00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:02,398
Mm-hmm.
904
00:38:02,398 --> 00:38:03,688
And I don't know how.
905
00:38:03,848 --> 00:38:06,498
W- I couldn't find like
was it a car accident?
906
00:38:06,498 --> 00:38:07,628
Were they both sick?
907
00:38:08,288 --> 00:38:11,238
It just says that shortly
after, both her parents died.
908
00:38:11,298 --> 00:38:13,228
Austyn: Like at the same time?
909
00:38:14,518 --> 00:38:15,638
Repy: I can't find any information on it.
910
00:38:15,638 --> 00:38:15,998
Okay.
911
00:38:16,308 --> 00:38:16,328
Yeah.
912
00:38:16,388 --> 00:38:16,728
Austyn: Gotcha.
913
00:38:16,748 --> 00:38:20,188
So we just know around this time-
Yeah … both her parents died.
914
00:38:20,188 --> 00:38:23,448
Repy: I know it was both- Okay … in
the same year because one of them
915
00:38:23,448 --> 00:38:25,988
had their, it, like their death year.
916
00:38:26,668 --> 00:38:27,088
Austyn: Oh, okay.
917
00:38:27,098 --> 00:38:30,448
Repy: Like, you know, it told me- Mm-hmm
… the years they d- were born and died.
918
00:38:30,868 --> 00:38:30,878
Yeah.
919
00:38:30,888 --> 00:38:31,028
But
920
00:38:31,195 --> 00:38:36,112
Oh, so there was also this phone call,
though, before Bradley had disappeared.
921
00:38:36,112 --> 00:38:40,702
She had made a phone call to
one of her cousins, right?
922
00:38:42,102 --> 00:38:46,542
And they believe that it might have
been Bradley's last cry for help.
923
00:38:46,732 --> 00:38:53,638
They said that she had been manipulated
and taken away from us, and she just said,
924
00:38:54,128 --> 00:38:59,558
she said, "I feel like that last phone
call she had, it was her trying to tell us
925
00:38:59,558 --> 00:39:03,338
code for something, to speak and say, 'I
need help,' but she couldn't just say it."
926
00:39:03,598 --> 00:39:11,128
So basically she's saying, now looking
back, that it seemed like maybe Tiffany
927
00:39:11,128 --> 00:39:14,438
was calling her cousin somewhere else
and being like, "Please come help me."
928
00:39:14,558 --> 00:39:18,801
But nothing else seems to substantiate
the fact, like, that actually
929
00:39:18,801 --> 00:39:20,651
happened, that phone call took place.
930
00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:21,461
We don't know.
931
00:39:22,131 --> 00:39:22,291
Right?
932
00:39:22,631 --> 00:39:22,811
Okay.
933
00:39:23,103 --> 00:39:28,830
So years later, investigators determine
that Tiffany was the missing body
934
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,540
found all the way in Massachusetts.
935
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:37,651
They used DNA sequencing to lead
to her brother, James, who was
936
00:39:37,651 --> 00:39:39,621
in a Texas prison at the time.
937
00:39:39,881 --> 00:39:47,879
And they determined that she had been
trafficked all the way from Philadelphia
938
00:39:47,879 --> 00:39:50,239
to the Boston area in Massachusetts.
939
00:39:50,869 --> 00:39:51,549
Austyn: Okay.
940
00:39:51,819 --> 00:39:52,199
Repy: Yeah.
941
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:53,609
Now-
942
00:39:56,049 --> 00:40:02,679
The family hears this and is kind of
furious because after years of looking for
943
00:40:02,929 --> 00:40:11,539
their child, their sibling, their whoever,
they match it to a body who so doesn't fit
944
00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:13,909
the description of what this teenager was.
945
00:40:14,249 --> 00:40:18,115
And they just keep wondering, like,
"Why was she so far away from home?
946
00:40:18,335 --> 00:40:20,165
Why did they describe her like that?
947
00:40:20,165 --> 00:40:23,995
We could have found her years later."
Because sh- they had called all the
948
00:40:23,995 --> 00:40:27,635
neighboring states, Connecticut,
Massachusetts, Rhode Island, like all
949
00:40:27,635 --> 00:40:32,505
of them, to be like, "Do you have anyone
who fits this description?" And she
950
00:40:32,505 --> 00:40:39,645
never fit this body because she was 16,
not above 20 years old, and she wasn't
951
00:40:39,645 --> 00:40:41,715
a sex worker, and she wasn't- Mm-hmm
952
00:40:41,715 --> 00:40:42,305
from the area.
953
00:40:43,135 --> 00:40:43,255
So
954
00:40:43,355 --> 00:40:49,429
So now one of her cousins is still trying
to figure out exactly what happened
955
00:40:49,439 --> 00:40:51,149
over 20 years later at this point.
956
00:40:51,189 --> 00:40:54,425
Like was she trafficked for a few days?
957
00:40:54,475 --> 00:40:55,995
Did she die immediately?
958
00:40:55,995 --> 00:41:01,325
Like, it's been so long, if
there were clues, they're
959
00:41:01,325 --> 00:41:03,325
now kind of no longer there.
960
00:41:03,365 --> 00:41:03,935
You know what I mean?
961
00:41:03,935 --> 00:41:04,375
Austyn: Yeah.
962
00:41:04,825 --> 00:41:08,115
Repy: So now at this point,
they know Eugene McCollum is the
963
00:41:08,115 --> 00:41:10,655
killer at least, because he's
the one who led them to the body.
964
00:41:11,245 --> 00:41:11,465
Yes.
965
00:41:11,475 --> 00:41:15,105
But like I said, they're still wondering
like, okay, what happened to her though?
966
00:41:15,385 --> 00:41:19,172
I just keep talking off this page
because I, it's fresh on my mind.
967
00:41:19,722 --> 00:41:20,522
Austyn: That's okay
968
00:41:24,854 --> 00:41:25,354
Repy: Oh, okay.
969
00:41:25,734 --> 00:41:29,261
So it's been 26 years- Okay
970
00:41:29,271 --> 00:41:29,291
…
Austyn: now
971
00:41:29,761 --> 00:41:33,821
Repy: since, since she disappeared,
and she's finally got her name back.
972
00:41:33,961 --> 00:41:39,125
But people are still left trying to, like,
put the pieces back together essentially.
973
00:41:39,185 --> 00:41:42,721
And this one story ended, and I
thought it ended really pretty.
974
00:41:42,981 --> 00:41:47,212
They said "Tiffany's story reminds
us that solving a crime is not only
975
00:41:47,212 --> 00:41:50,272
about finding the person responsible,
it's also about remembering the
976
00:41:50,272 --> 00:41:52,992
person who was lost." Mm-hmm.
977
00:41:53,002 --> 00:41:53,352
I thought that was pretty.
978
00:41:53,512 --> 00:41:59,402
Because yes, now we know, we know where
she was, and we know who killed her, but
979
00:41:59,402 --> 00:42:01,392
we really still don't know what happened.
980
00:42:02,092 --> 00:42:04,822
Austyn: Yeah, like how
did she end up there?
981
00:42:04,832 --> 00:42:05,992
What was the promise?
982
00:42:05,992 --> 00:42:09,572
Like, what- Yes … was she
thinking this was going to be?
983
00:42:09,812 --> 00:42:13,462
Repy: Right, and she had called…
Like, she wasn't dating anyone,
984
00:42:13,482 --> 00:42:15,202
and she was so close to her family.
985
00:42:15,202 --> 00:42:19,252
They were saying, like, if she was,
someone would've known, one of her
986
00:42:19,252 --> 00:42:23,202
cousins, someone, her best friend
who walked with her every day.
987
00:42:23,652 --> 00:42:29,942
But she was kind of like, I guess later,
closer to the time of her disappearance,
988
00:42:29,972 --> 00:42:35,562
talking about meet… Who she had
met someone online maybe or, like-
989
00:42:35,652 --> 00:42:36,852
Mm-hmm … through chat somewhere.
990
00:42:37,672 --> 00:42:41,409
But it, So like did someone
traffic her that way?
991
00:42:41,419 --> 00:42:43,569
Was it not a boy?
992
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:45,985
You know, was that the problem?
993
00:42:45,995 --> 00:42:50,265
But then it seems like also
was McCollum really the type to
994
00:42:50,955 --> 00:42:53,635
traffic her, like grab her himself?
995
00:42:53,705 --> 00:42:54,315
No.
996
00:42:54,355 --> 00:42:58,235
So then someone would've had
to do it and then sell it to
997
00:42:58,235 --> 00:42:59,825
him- Yeah … which is crazy.
998
00:43:00,495 --> 00:43:03,975
Austyn: Exactly, like this
could uncover a whole operation.
999
00:43:04,015 --> 00:43:04,665
Repy: Yes.
1000
00:43:05,395 --> 00:43:07,585
Austyn: So like what- So
1001
00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:08,475
Repy: why, yes … but
1002
00:43:09,275 --> 00:43:11,985
Austyn: are we just stopping
now that we know her identity?
1003
00:43:12,445 --> 00:43:14,905
Repy: Yeah, the cops are like,
"Well, we know her identity and
1004
00:43:14,905 --> 00:43:18,925
we know the, who did it, so why
would we waste money on the how?"
1005
00:43:19,825 --> 00:43:20,575
Austyn: Yeah.
1006
00:43:21,215 --> 00:43:21,875
Okay.
1007
00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:24,975
That's crazy that- Mm-hmm … it's
just like well, it's kind of
1008
00:43:24,975 --> 00:43:26,435
solved but like not really.
1009
00:43:26,545 --> 00:43:26,565
Yeah,
1010
00:43:27,215 --> 00:43:33,315
Repy: so her family is like slowly trying
to put together what happened and like
1011
00:43:33,315 --> 00:43:37,875
retrace her steps and stuff, but now
it's been 26 years so it's like, okay.
1012
00:43:37,885 --> 00:43:38,775
Austyn: Wow.
1013
00:43:39,495 --> 00:43:39,675
Repy: Yeah.
1014
00:43:39,705 --> 00:43:43,775
Austyn: Yeah, so it's like,
it's a very bittersweet story.
1015
00:43:43,855 --> 00:43:44,385
Repy: Yes.
1016
00:43:45,285 --> 00:43:46,495
Austyn: Well, a bittersweet ending.
1017
00:43:46,495 --> 00:43:47,555
The story itself sucks.
1018
00:43:47,585 --> 00:43:48,685
Repy: Yeah, the story sucks.
1019
00:43:48,685 --> 00:43:52,115
But at least- Yeah, the story sucks
… her name was found, but it sucks
1020
00:43:52,115 --> 00:43:58,265
that like also she was labeled, sucks
that one, the label of a sex worker
1021
00:43:58,335 --> 00:44:00,534
would make you less than anyone else.
1022
00:44:00,544 --> 00:44:01,064
Yeah.
1023
00:44:01,264 --> 00:44:06,154
But two, that then she got that label and
she wasn't a sex worker, and so then- Yeah
1024
00:44:06,154 --> 00:44:09,254
her body was left
unidentified for a long time.
1025
00:44:09,294 --> 00:44:11,124
Austyn: Yeah, she was just a kid.
1026
00:44:11,354 --> 00:44:11,784
Repy: Yeah.
1027
00:44:13,164 --> 00:44:13,584
Austyn: Wow.
1028
00:44:14,564 --> 00:44:19,844
Ugh, we love a, a good misogyny
story- Yay … in true crime.
1029
00:44:20,354 --> 00:44:20,524
Yikes.
1030
00:44:20,524 --> 00:44:20,564
Thank
1031
00:44:20,944 --> 00:44:21,304
Repy: you.
1032
00:44:21,994 --> 00:44:25,074
Austyn: Well, at least her family
has some kind of closure now.
1033
00:44:25,494 --> 00:44:25,994
Repy: Yes.
1034
00:44:26,004 --> 00:44:31,944
Austyn: But it still does not change
the ending, which is always, I feel
1035
00:44:31,944 --> 00:44:36,564
like that's always the shitty thing with
true crime and like all of these stories
1036
00:44:36,564 --> 00:44:38,964
is like it still doesn't change it.
1037
00:44:39,304 --> 00:44:41,424
Repy: Yeah, that person's
still dead, so like-
1038
00:44:41,434 --> 00:44:42,354
Austyn: Yeah … it can't
really be a happy ending … we
1039
00:44:42,354 --> 00:44:44,434
can't go back and undo that.
1040
00:44:44,494 --> 00:44:47,722
So I'm gonna be telling you
about the Breckenridge Orange
1041
00:44:47,722 --> 00:44:50,242
Sock Murders, and this is a bit
1042
00:44:50,242 --> 00:44:50,382
Repy: of a journey.
1043
00:44:50,612 --> 00:44:53,452
Ooh, it was really fun up
until the end, the last part.
1044
00:44:53,622 --> 00:44:53,742
The
1045
00:44:53,742 --> 00:44:55,422
Austyn: Breckenridge Orange Sock-
1046
00:44:55,602 --> 00:44:55,962
Repy: Yeah
1047
00:44:55,962 --> 00:44:56,272
…
Austyn: like, if we just stop there.
1048
00:44:56,272 --> 00:44:56,672
That sounds
1049
00:44:56,782 --> 00:44:58,352
Repy: like a fun baseball team.
1050
00:44:58,752 --> 00:45:01,352
Austyn: Yes, the Breckenridge
Orange Socks, if like made-
1051
00:45:01,352 --> 00:45:01,372
Repy: Yeah,
1052
00:45:01,382 --> 00:45:01,762
Austyn: the Savannah
1053
00:45:02,192 --> 00:45:02,772
Repy: Bananas.
1054
00:45:03,542 --> 00:45:06,852
Austyn: If they made that their,
like, team, it would be a little
1055
00:45:06,852 --> 00:45:08,952
disrespectful, but also kind of cool.
1056
00:45:09,252 --> 00:45:10,102
Repy: So fun.
1057
00:45:10,652 --> 00:45:10,852
Austyn: Yeah.
1058
00:45:11,252 --> 00:45:12,260
But We'll get into it.
1059
00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:19,600
So January 6th, 1982 was a deadly
day in Breckenridge, Colorado.
1060
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:19,930
Repy: No.
1061
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:24,040
Austyn: That evening, a blizzard rolled
into town, bringing temperatures as
1062
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,050
low as negative 20 degrees Fahrenheit.
1063
00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:27,990
Damn.
1064
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,810
Of the unlucky souls who found themselves
having to brave the frigid night, one
1065
00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:36,250
was 30-year-old Alan Lee Phillips.
1066
00:45:36,930 --> 00:45:41,160
Phillips was a local miner whose pickup
truck had slid into a snow drift on
1067
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040
a mountain pass late that evening.
1068
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:47,650
His rear wheels had sunken into the
bank, causing the truck's nose to point
1069
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:49,970
upward, kind of like Titanic style.
1070
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:50,590
Repy: Yeah.
1071
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:50,920
Austyn: Yeah.
1072
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:58,798
Using The truck's headlights, he signaled
SOS in Morse code, miraculously gaining
1073
00:45:58,798 --> 00:46:03,428
the attention of a passenger who was
aboard a commercial flight overhead.
1074
00:46:03,528 --> 00:46:08,158
Repy: That is, one, so smart, but also,
like- Yes … he had to know Morse code.
1075
00:46:08,218 --> 00:46:11,552
That person had to know- I know … that
that was… It's long, long, long, short,
1076
00:46:11,552 --> 00:46:13,422
short, short, long, long, long, I think.
1077
00:46:13,442 --> 00:46:14,212
Austyn: I have no idea.
1078
00:46:14,212 --> 00:46:14,432
I don't
1079
00:46:14,432 --> 00:46:14,932
Repy: pretend
1080
00:46:14,932 --> 00:46:15,132
Austyn: to know.
1081
00:46:15,842 --> 00:46:15,922
It's SOS.
1082
00:46:16,322 --> 00:46:16,342
Okay.
1083
00:46:16,343 --> 00:46:20,965
But yeah, like, the amount of things
that had to go right for that to work-
1084
00:46:20,975 --> 00:46:21,475
Repy: Yes
1085
00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:22,275
…
Austyn: crazy.
1086
00:46:22,285 --> 00:46:22,305
So-
1087
00:46:22,685 --> 00:46:25,165
Repy: And then, like, for them
to see it and not just think
1088
00:46:25,165 --> 00:46:28,325
it was… or, like, have their
windshield down or whatever, like-
1089
00:46:28,325 --> 00:46:30,245
Austyn: Yeah, be sleeping.
1090
00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:30,605
Repy: Yeah.
1091
00:46:30,605 --> 00:46:32,905
Austyn: Getting into those airplane
nuts that they don't- Right
1092
00:46:32,905 --> 00:46:35,045
give you anymore 'cause of allergies,
pretzels, airplane pretzels.
1093
00:46:35,045 --> 00:46:35,555
Oat bran.
1094
00:46:36,325 --> 00:46:36,665
Yeah.
1095
00:46:36,665 --> 00:46:40,205
This is… Like, so much has
to go right for this to work.
1096
00:46:40,335 --> 00:46:40,645
Repy: Yeah.
1097
00:46:40,655 --> 00:46:44,195
Austyn: So the passenger clocked this.
1098
00:46:44,195 --> 00:46:46,665
He was like, "Oh, that's SOS." Um-
1099
00:46:46,675 --> 00:46:47,075
Repy: T.
1100
00:46:47,735 --> 00:46:52,755
Austyn: Yeah, and so he went up to
the pilot and was like, "Hey, it looks
1101
00:46:52,755 --> 00:46:56,195
like someone needs help down there."
So they radioed the local rescue team.
1102
00:46:56,925 --> 00:47:01,245
So the Breckenridge Fire Brigade
responded, finding the stranded
1103
00:47:01,255 --> 00:47:03,695
truck on the Guanilla Pass.
1104
00:47:03,845 --> 00:47:06,265
Repy: Do you think they were like-
Fi- … "This is fucking insane"?
1105
00:47:06,745 --> 00:47:09,374
Austyn: I know, but that's… going
through this, and I watched, like,
1106
00:47:09,374 --> 00:47:12,894
a little documentary on this, and no
one is like, "Wow, the amount of…"
1107
00:47:13,154 --> 00:47:14,722
The circumstances that have to- Yeah
1108
00:47:14,732 --> 00:47:15,122
happen
1109
00:47:15,542 --> 00:47:15,752
Repy: and all that.
1110
00:47:15,752 --> 00:47:16,642
They were like, "Of course he
1111
00:47:17,222 --> 00:47:19,502
Austyn: signaled the plane." Everyone's
just like, "Yeah, this makes sense."
1112
00:47:19,592 --> 00:47:20,322
Repy: Obviously.
1113
00:47:20,332 --> 00:47:20,642
Austyn: What?
1114
00:47:22,102 --> 00:47:25,725
So Fire Chief Dave Montoya suc-
successfully pulled Phillips'
1115
00:47:25,735 --> 00:47:28,915
truck from the snow drift and
assessed the man for injury.
1116
00:47:29,725 --> 00:47:34,385
Aside from a cut and a rapidly darkening
bruise on his face, which Phillips
1117
00:47:34,385 --> 00:47:38,215
reported was the result of him slipping
on snow and hitting his face on the
1118
00:47:38,215 --> 00:47:42,595
truck, Phillips was unharmed and
needed no further medical attention.
1119
00:47:42,615 --> 00:47:44,035
Repy: That is incredible.
1120
00:47:44,415 --> 00:47:44,745
Austyn: Yeah.
1121
00:47:45,245 --> 00:47:50,555
The next day, the newspaper ran a story
about the luckiest man in Colorado.
1122
00:47:51,125 --> 00:47:56,155
Phillips was one of the fortunate ones,
but not everyone had survived that
1123
00:47:56,155 --> 00:48:01,853
night's storm The day had started normally
for two other area residents who would
1124
00:48:01,853 --> 00:48:03,803
later find themselves in the blizzard.
1125
00:48:04,393 --> 00:48:08,963
29-year-old Barbara "Bobbi Jo"
Oberholtzer left the home she shared
1126
00:48:08,963 --> 00:48:12,663
with her husband of four years,
an appliance repairman named Jeff
1127
00:48:12,703 --> 00:48:16,023
Oberholtzer, at 7:15 in the morning.
1128
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:20,393
Bobbi Jo set out on foot and
planned to hitch a ride to work.
1129
00:48:20,403 --> 00:48:20,463
Oh my gosh.
1130
00:48:20,743 --> 00:48:22,743
This was not unusual… Yep.
1131
00:48:23,473 --> 00:48:26,963
This wasn't unusual for the
time period or for Bobbi Jo.
1132
00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:32,303
In the 1980s, hitchhiking was a
valid form, and a common form, of
1133
00:48:32,303 --> 00:48:36,683
transportation for many people who
couldn't afford or didn't have access
1134
00:48:36,683 --> 00:48:40,173
to vehicles in areas- It was like-
… that lacked public transportation
1135
00:48:40,403 --> 00:48:41,683
…
Repy: and it wasn't even common.
1136
00:48:41,693 --> 00:48:43,073
It was, like, recommended.
1137
00:48:43,703 --> 00:48:43,883
Yeah.
1138
00:48:43,903 --> 00:48:45,173
"Oh, you should just hitchhike there.
1139
00:48:45,343 --> 00:48:47,153
Someone will-" Exactly … "pick
you up." You know?
1140
00:48:47,153 --> 00:48:47,223
Like-
1141
00:48:47,233 --> 00:48:50,593
Austyn: Yeah, and it's just like, like
it makes sense on the surface 'cause
1142
00:48:50,593 --> 00:48:53,853
you're like, "If someone's going the same
way I'm going, why not just-" Why not?
1143
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:54,633
"… ride with them?" Yeah.
1144
00:48:54,643 --> 00:48:54,893
Right?
1145
00:48:54,893 --> 00:48:57,063
It's like- If people
were- … carpooling for strangers
1146
00:48:57,213 --> 00:49:00,553
…
Repy: if people were good,
it would be the perfect- Yeah
1147
00:49:00,603 --> 00:49:01,133
solution.
1148
00:49:01,783 --> 00:49:03,753
Austyn: Exactly, but people are horrific.
1149
00:49:03,813 --> 00:49:04,173
Repy: Yes.
1150
00:49:04,183 --> 00:49:04,793
Austyn: So,
1151
00:49:04,933 --> 00:49:08,223
Repy: So now we have Uber, which
is just the electronic kind.
1152
00:49:08,463 --> 00:49:10,823
Austyn: Yeah, it's just the payment kind.
1153
00:49:10,833 --> 00:49:11,223
Repy: Yeah.
1154
00:49:12,573 --> 00:49:14,293
Austyn: Where it's like,
is it really safer?
1155
00:49:14,383 --> 00:49:14,413
Repy: Eh,
1156
00:49:14,913 --> 00:49:15,303
Austyn: debatable.
1157
00:49:15,693 --> 00:49:17,673
Repy: Eh, but at least it's monetized.
1158
00:49:17,863 --> 00:49:17,883
Austyn: Yeah.
1159
00:49:17,903 --> 00:49:23,830
So Bobby Joe and Jeff lived in Alma,
which is about 14 miles from Breckenridge,
1160
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:25,950
where Bobby worked as a receptionist.
1161
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:30,690
Bobby Joe successfully found a ride to
work and went about her day as usual.
1162
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:36,000
At 6:20 PM, she called her husband and
told him that she had met friends for
1163
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,160
a drink after her workday concluded
to celebrate her recent promotion.
1164
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:41,510
Yay.
1165
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:45,160
He offered to come and pick her up
from the bar, but she told him that
1166
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:47,020
she planned to hitch a ride back home.
1167
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,410
She assured him that she would be home
shortly, so he began to prepare dinner.
1168
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:57,070
Sometime after he made dinner,
Jeff fell asleep and awoke around
1169
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,070
midnight to find that Bobby Joe
still had not returned home.
1170
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:06,230
He knew that the local bars closed at
2:00 AM, but when she still hadn't arrived
1171
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:08,470
after that, he set out to find her.
1172
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:09,250
Repy: Dang.
1173
00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:09,370
He
1174
00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:09,710
Austyn: later-
1175
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:11,510
Repy: He thought she was partying.
1176
00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:16,878
Austyn: Yes because, Like, 6:00 PM
to 2:00 AM is a huge amount of time.
1177
00:50:16,888 --> 00:50:17,038
It
1178
00:50:17,088 --> 00:50:17,708
Repy: is.
1179
00:50:17,948 --> 00:50:18,308
Austyn: Right?
1180
00:50:18,308 --> 00:50:18,451
It is
1181
00:50:18,451 --> 00:50:18,736
Repy: a big amount of
1182
00:50:18,816 --> 00:50:19,076
Austyn: time.
1183
00:50:19,196 --> 00:50:23,647
A- And I'll also say that later on
Jeff said that he had been hanging
1184
00:50:23,647 --> 00:50:25,357
out with a friend at the house.
1185
00:50:25,357 --> 00:50:25,477
Yeah.
1186
00:50:25,477 --> 00:50:29,048
Like, a friend had come over to hang
out, but it's not clear whether that was,
1187
00:50:29,048 --> 00:50:31,108
like, before he talked to her last- Right
1188
00:50:31,378 --> 00:50:35,618
or throughout that period when
he's, like, making dinner, and
1189
00:50:35,618 --> 00:50:36,958
then maybe the friend goes home.
1190
00:50:37,058 --> 00:50:39,744
'Cause he's expecting her to be arriving.
1191
00:50:39,974 --> 00:50:40,234
Repy: Right.
1192
00:50:40,334 --> 00:50:44,856
Austyn: So he later stated, quote, "I
thought maybe she's kicking up her heels
1193
00:50:44,856 --> 00:50:48,876
a little bit and has forgotten about
time, only she never came home, and
1194
00:50:48,876 --> 00:50:50,836
I knew that something was not right."
1195
00:50:51,056 --> 00:50:54,579
Jeff drove into town to look
for Bobby Joe but came up empty.
1196
00:50:54,779 --> 00:50:58,329
He got in touch with the friends she
had met at the bar, and they told him
1197
00:50:58,339 --> 00:51:00,869
that she had actually left around 7:30.
1198
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:04,559
He immediately went to the local
police station to file a missing
1199
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,579
persons report but was told
that it was too early to do so.
1200
00:51:08,839 --> 00:51:08,989
Such bullshit.
1201
00:51:08,989 --> 00:51:11,049
So he went back home and waited.
1202
00:51:11,059 --> 00:51:11,449
I know.
1203
00:51:11,459 --> 00:51:15,089
It is bullshit, and I think that's
also something that's, like, in
1204
00:51:15,089 --> 00:51:16,859
some jurisdictions it's true.
1205
00:51:16,869 --> 00:51:17,949
In others it's not.
1206
00:51:17,949 --> 00:51:17,969
In
1207
00:51:17,969 --> 00:51:19,239
Repy: others it's not, yeah.
1208
00:51:19,429 --> 00:51:19,709
Austyn: Yeah.
1209
00:51:19,809 --> 00:51:24,655
That Same day, 21-year-old Annette
Schnee had finished her shift as a
1210
00:51:24,655 --> 00:51:27,225
housekeeper at a local Holiday Inn.
1211
00:51:27,705 --> 00:51:32,615
Annette was scheduled to work at a local
ball, a local bar called The Flip Side
1212
00:51:32,675 --> 00:51:36,985
later that night, and planned to return
home to change and prepare for her shift.
1213
00:51:37,305 --> 00:51:40,295
I also love the bar name, The
Flip Side, 'cause it's catch you,
1214
00:51:40,625 --> 00:51:42,115
I'll catch you on the flip side.
1215
00:51:42,175 --> 00:51:42,865
Repy: Yeah.
1216
00:51:42,955 --> 00:51:43,555
Austyn: Yes.
1217
00:51:43,885 --> 00:51:44,285
Um-
1218
00:51:44,295 --> 00:51:44,625
Repy: That's funny.
1219
00:51:45,115 --> 00:51:45,445
Austyn: Yeah.
1220
00:51:45,875 --> 00:51:49,715
After finishing at the Holiday Inn,
she attended a doctor's appointment,
1221
00:51:49,755 --> 00:51:54,045
and hitchhiked to a drug store in
Breckenridge to pick up a prescription.
1222
00:51:54,655 --> 00:52:01,165
She was seen at the drug store at around
4:45 PM, reportedly engaged in a serious
1223
00:52:01,185 --> 00:52:03,525
conversation with a dark-haired woman.
1224
00:52:04,115 --> 00:52:07,445
The other woman was described
as a slender white woman who
1225
00:52:07,465 --> 00:52:09,465
looked like she had been camping.
1226
00:52:09,895 --> 00:52:13,185
She was supposedly smoking
a Marlboro cigarette.
1227
00:52:13,405 --> 00:52:17,495
Also, I love that description, like,
who looked like she had been camping.
1228
00:52:17,505 --> 00:52:18,291
What does that mean?
1229
00:52:18,291 --> 00:52:18,545
That's such
1230
00:52:18,545 --> 00:52:19,055
Repy: a dig.
1231
00:52:19,405 --> 00:52:19,755
That's so-
1232
00:52:19,755 --> 00:52:22,315
Austyn: But also, does that
mean, like, she's disheveled?
1233
00:52:22,325 --> 00:52:22,695
Is she-
1234
00:52:23,105 --> 00:52:23,325
Repy: Covered in dirt?
1235
00:52:23,565 --> 00:52:25,575
Austyn: Yeah, like, does she
have a hiking backpack on?
1236
00:52:25,585 --> 00:52:25,755
Or is
1237
00:52:25,975 --> 00:52:27,325
Repy: she carrying a tent?
1238
00:52:27,375 --> 00:52:27,887
Like, which-
1239
00:52:27,887 --> 00:52:29,577
Austyn: Yeah, like, what does that mean?
1240
00:52:29,587 --> 00:52:29,607
Yeah.
1241
00:52:30,967 --> 00:52:34,907
Repy: Does she just have boots on
and is wearing shorts, or like-
1242
00:52:34,907 --> 00:52:36,837
Austyn: Like she's in-
Yeah … like, out- outdoor
1243
00:52:36,837 --> 00:52:36,867
Repy: gear?
1244
00:52:37,777 --> 00:52:39,707
Like, did she have a sign that
said, like, "I'm just here to camp"?
1245
00:52:39,867 --> 00:52:42,007
Austyn: Yeah, or does she
have leaves in her hair?
1246
00:52:42,017 --> 00:52:43,217
Like- Yeah … what is going on?
1247
00:52:43,427 --> 00:52:43,597
Repy: Right.
1248
00:52:43,627 --> 00:52:44,017
Austyn: Um…
1249
00:52:44,047 --> 00:52:45,497
Repy: She's covered in mud.
1250
00:52:45,607 --> 00:52:46,077
Austyn: Yeah
1251
00:52:46,097 --> 00:52:46,927
…
Repy: no clothes.
1252
00:52:47,387 --> 00:52:47,817
She's in
1253
00:52:48,207 --> 00:52:48,727
Austyn: full camo.
1254
00:52:49,227 --> 00:52:49,307
Repy: Exactly.
1255
00:52:50,347 --> 00:52:55,127
Austyn: So regardless, Annette
was never seen again after that.
1256
00:52:56,059 --> 00:52:59,989
The next day, January 7th, Jeff
Oberholtzer received a phone
1257
00:52:59,989 --> 00:53:03,569
call from a local farmer at
around 7:45 in the morning.
1258
00:53:03,569 --> 00:53:08,439
Repy: Sorry, I also just thought, what
a great dig to use, "It looks like- Yeah
1259
00:53:08,449 --> 00:53:13,629
… she's been camping." Like, imagine if
you went to prom and someone went, "Oh my
1260
00:53:13,729 --> 00:53:15,049
gosh, you look like you've been camping.
1261
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:15,419
How was it?"
1262
00:53:15,419 --> 00:53:15,749
Austyn: Yes.
1263
00:53:16,379 --> 00:53:16,749
Yeah.
1264
00:53:16,879 --> 00:53:19,739
Like, just, "Oh, did you
just get back from camping?"
1265
00:53:20,219 --> 00:53:20,779
"
Repy: Was it fun?"
1266
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:21,819
Austyn: Yeah.
1267
00:53:22,369 --> 00:53:23,816
When you're, like, all dressed up.
1268
00:53:23,826 --> 00:53:25,556
Yes, that's a crazy insult.
1269
00:53:25,556 --> 00:53:25,576
Yeah.
1270
00:53:25,676 --> 00:53:30,919
So the farmer that called Jeff lived
about 30 miles outside of Breckenridge,
1271
00:53:30,939 --> 00:53:35,129
and he said he had found Bobby Joe's
driver's license on his property.
1272
00:53:35,919 --> 00:53:40,159
Jeff and two of his friends set out to
retrieve it, and along the way, about 10
1273
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:45,319
miles from the farmer's property, one of
them spotted something blue in the snow.
1274
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,899
It was Bobby Joe's backpack, and
beside it was one of Bobby Joe's
1275
00:53:49,929 --> 00:53:55,289
gloves and several used tissues, all
splattered with bright red blood.
1276
00:53:55,299 --> 00:53:55,309
Ooh.
1277
00:53:56,139 --> 00:54:00,949
Jeff and his friends immediately organized
a search, and within two hours, Bobby
1278
00:54:00,949 --> 00:54:05,749
Joe's body was found more than 20
miles from where the backpack had been
1279
00:54:05,749 --> 00:54:08,639
left, near the summit of Hoosier Pass.
1280
00:54:09,419 --> 00:54:09,729
Repy: Wow.
1281
00:54:10,499 --> 00:54:14,269
Austyn: Several interesting clues
were found around Bobby Joe's body.
1282
00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:17,829
There were footprints, but
investigators determined that
1283
00:54:17,849 --> 00:54:19,499
they belonged to Bobby Joe.
1284
00:54:20,059 --> 00:54:23,989
A brass key ring that Jeff had
fashioned for Bobby Joe to use as a
1285
00:54:24,009 --> 00:54:26,259
self-defense weapon was also there.
1286
00:54:26,979 --> 00:54:31,369
Bobby Joe had a plastic zip tie tied
around one wrist with another zip
1287
00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:36,239
tie looped through it, and there was
also an orange sock found nearby.
1288
00:54:36,969 --> 00:54:42,519
The thing was, Bobby Joe hadn't been
wearing orange socks, and the second sock
1289
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:44,439
was completely missing from the scene.
1290
00:54:45,149 --> 00:54:45,159
Hmm.
1291
00:54:45,319 --> 00:54:50,269
A medical examiner determined that Bobby
Joe had been shot at close range twice
1292
00:54:50,289 --> 00:54:55,721
in the chest by a .38/.357 handgun.
1293
00:54:56,641 --> 00:55:00,341
So I- Like a- … is that the same
bullet, or is it one, is it a gun that
1294
00:55:00,341 --> 00:55:02,861
could use either of those kinds of ammo?
1295
00:55:03,641 --> 00:55:08,281
Repy: No, I think it's saying it's
a .38 caliber 36-whatever handgun.
1296
00:55:08,291 --> 00:55:09,111
Austyn: Okay, handgun.
1297
00:55:09,111 --> 00:55:09,361
Yeah.
1298
00:55:09,361 --> 00:55:09,661
Yeah.
1299
00:55:09,781 --> 00:55:11,375
And so That was the handgun.
1300
00:55:11,405 --> 00:55:17,865
Um, and the bullet she had been shot with
was a Remington Peters copper-jacketed
1301
00:55:17,875 --> 00:55:20,165
hollow point, which is- Which are
1302
00:55:20,165 --> 00:55:20,465
Repy: awful
1303
00:55:20,855 --> 00:55:24,705
…
Austyn: yes, devastating
to- Yeah … organic matter.
1304
00:55:24,715 --> 00:55:24,735
Um-
1305
00:55:24,825 --> 00:55:27,355
Repy: Especially short,
like, close range like that.
1306
00:55:27,485 --> 00:55:27,765
Austyn: Yes.
1307
00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:31,748
The Next day, Jeff Oberholtzer was
informed that he was the primary
1308
00:55:31,748 --> 00:55:33,588
suspect in Bobby Joe's murder.
1309
00:55:33,808 --> 00:55:37,070
Jeff maintained his innocence,
but he stated that he believed
1310
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,360
Bobbi Jo had known her killer.
1311
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:43,340
He said, quote, "My wife wouldn't
have gotten into a vehicle with
1312
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,150
just a couple strange guys.
1313
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:48,240
She knew that she could call
for a ride if she wanted to.
1314
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,800
I think she knew someone, and that
they left together with a promise
1315
00:55:51,830 --> 00:55:53,190
of taking her home." Mm-hmm.
1316
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:56,090
He also provided an alibi.
1317
00:55:56,350 --> 00:55:59,670
He told the police that he had been
entertaining a friend at his home at the
1318
00:55:59,670 --> 00:56:03,660
time that the murder had been committed,
but the friend didn't corroborate
1319
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:07,110
this story until December 1990.
1320
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:09,580
So we're talking years later.
1321
00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:14,440
Repy: Now, did he, like, not
want to, or did they not ask?
1322
00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:14,480
What-
1323
00:56:14,516 --> 00:56:17,376
Austyn: It's not clear, and it-
Yeah … isn't clear if they were
1324
00:56:17,376 --> 00:56:21,206
like, they couldn't get ahold of
the friend, or if they didn't try-
1325
00:56:21,216 --> 00:56:23,326
Mm-hmm … or like, it's a little messy.
1326
00:56:23,596 --> 00:56:23,796
Repy: Yeah.
1327
00:56:23,816 --> 00:56:27,296
Austyn: Um, even after the
alibi witness came forward,
1328
00:56:27,356 --> 00:56:29,356
Sheriff Eaton wasn't convinced.
1329
00:56:29,686 --> 00:56:33,236
He said, quote, "He stated that he
had been at Jeff's house that night,
1330
00:56:33,246 --> 00:56:37,516
however, the times that he gave us did
not match up with the times that Jeff
1331
00:56:37,526 --> 00:56:42,446
had given us." The investigation into
Bobbi Jo's murder began to grow cold
1332
00:56:42,446 --> 00:56:46,786
within the first days, with no potential
suspects other than her husband.
1333
00:56:46,786 --> 00:56:51,946
It would remain cold for several months,
but the events that would reignite
1334
00:56:51,966 --> 00:56:54,516
the investigation had already begun.
1335
00:56:56,236 --> 00:57:00,866
On January 8th, one of Annette
Schnee's coworkers from the Holiday
1336
00:57:00,866 --> 00:57:05,086
Inn notified her family and police
that Annette had failed to show up
1337
00:57:05,086 --> 00:57:07,396
for her last two scheduled shifts.
1338
00:57:07,916 --> 00:57:12,156
This was extremely unusual, as
Annette was a reliable employee.
1339
00:57:13,136 --> 00:57:16,036
They had been unable to get
in contact with Annette, and
1340
00:57:16,046 --> 00:57:17,656
her roommate had not seen her.
1341
00:57:17,856 --> 00:57:22,879
On January 9th, after learning of the
discovery of Bobbi Jo's body, Annette's
1342
00:57:22,993 --> 00:57:24,963
sister traveled to Breckenridge.
1343
00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:29,443
When she had heard that Bobbi Jo had
been hitchhiking on the night of her
1344
00:57:29,443 --> 00:57:34,023
murder, Annette's sister knew she had
to go and search for Annette in person.
1345
00:57:34,463 --> 00:57:37,643
She was aware that Annette's
primary mode of transportation was
1346
00:57:37,643 --> 00:57:42,563
hitchhiking, and suspected that Annette
had met the same fate as Bobbi Jo.
1347
00:57:43,033 --> 00:57:44,233
Repy: Ugh, devastating.
1348
00:57:44,743 --> 00:57:45,223
Austyn: Yeah.
1349
00:57:45,343 --> 00:57:47,763
However, the search was fruitless.
1350
00:57:47,963 --> 00:57:50,333
Annette Schnee was nowhere to be found.
1351
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:55,733
Investigators started piecing Annette's
last movements together and realized that
1352
00:57:55,733 --> 00:57:58,573
she had disappeared hours before Bobbi Jo.
1353
00:57:59,303 --> 00:57:59,413
Wow.
1354
00:57:59,413 --> 00:58:01,163
Because the… Yeah.
1355
00:58:01,213 --> 00:58:05,793
So because the women went missing on
the same day, police decided to question
1356
00:58:05,793 --> 00:58:08,203
Jeff Oberholtzer about Annette as well.
1357
00:58:08,483 --> 00:58:12,560
Shockingly, Jeff reported that
he had met Annette before.
1358
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:13,200
Oh.
1359
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,100
Jeff had picked Annette up when she
was hitchhiking sometime in the months
1360
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:19,530
before her and Bobbi Jo's disappearances.
1361
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:27,020
Jeff also told police that he had always
experienced premonitions and felt that
1362
00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:32,090
Annette's body would be found four
miles from his home on the 4th of July.
1363
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,070
Repy: So maybe we keep
that to ourselves, Jeff.
1364
00:58:36,290 --> 00:58:38,730
Austyn: Yeah, maybe we
don't tell the police that.
1365
00:58:38,730 --> 00:58:43,120
Mm. I mean, maybe he's like, "Oh,
if I tell them some crazy shit like
1366
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,430
this, they're gonna think, like, no
person who actually did this would-
1367
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:47,490
No person … would tell us this."
1368
00:58:47,650 --> 00:58:47,960
Repy: Yeah.
1369
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:48,930
Austyn: Um,
1370
00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:52,260
Repy: Or maybe he's just so innocent that
he's like, "Why wouldn't I tell them?
1371
00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:53,460
I'm golden." Yes,
1372
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:56,120
Austyn: he's, he's so innocent-
I know … that he's like,
1373
00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:57,690
"Guess what? Also, I'm psychic."
1374
00:58:58,170 --> 00:58:58,450
Repy: Yeah.
1375
00:58:58,750 --> 00:59:01,409
"I'm Not just the CEO. I'm a member."
1376
00:59:01,849 --> 00:59:02,049
Austyn: Yes.
1377
00:59:02,089 --> 00:59:07,252
So Annette's body was discovered
eventually, and it was on July 3rd,
1378
00:59:07,312 --> 00:59:10,582
1982, seven miles from Jeff's home.
1379
00:59:10,612 --> 00:59:12,862
Repy: Get it together, Jeff.
1380
00:59:12,972 --> 00:59:14,872
Austyn: So Jeff was a little off.
1381
00:59:14,952 --> 00:59:18,985
Um- Mm-hmm … he was off
by a day and three miles.
1382
00:59:19,345 --> 00:59:19,675
Repy: Yeah.
1383
00:59:19,775 --> 00:59:21,965
Austyn: But again, like, pretty close.
1384
00:59:22,025 --> 00:59:22,745
Repy: Pretty close.
1385
00:59:23,125 --> 00:59:27,342
Although you would think they
would immediately have searched a
1386
00:59:27,352 --> 00:59:30,882
whatever mile radius from Jeff's
home after that, I think, but.
1387
00:59:31,002 --> 00:59:32,872
Austyn: Yeah, but I think at
that point they're like, "Ugh,
1388
00:59:32,882 --> 00:59:33,502
this guy's nuts." They're
1389
00:59:33,542 --> 00:59:35,022
Repy: like, "Oh, he's insane."
1390
00:59:35,742 --> 00:59:35,902
Austyn: Yes.
1391
00:59:35,962 --> 00:59:37,923
I Don't think they were
taking this seriously.
1392
00:59:37,933 --> 00:59:38,323
Repy: Yeah.
1393
00:59:39,653 --> 00:59:40,143
Austyn: So-
1394
00:59:42,393 --> 00:59:45,813
A young boy was fishing in
Sacramento Creek when he came
1395
00:59:45,813 --> 00:59:48,143
upon Annette's fully clothed body.
1396
00:59:48,173 --> 00:59:48,833
Repy: Ugh.
1397
00:59:49,103 --> 00:59:51,673
Austyn: She was lying
face down in the water.
1398
00:59:52,413 --> 00:59:55,253
The boy went to get his
father, who called the police.
1399
00:59:55,863 --> 01:00:00,173
The site where Annette Schnee was found
was 10 miles from where Bobbi Jo's body
1400
01:00:00,193 --> 01:00:05,893
had been recovered, and 23 miles from
the pharmacy where she was last seen.
1401
01:00:06,963 --> 01:00:11,833
Medical examiners noted that Annette
had been shot downward at a 30-degree
1402
01:00:11,833 --> 01:00:17,503
angle, meaning that her assailant
was either above her or behind her.
1403
01:00:18,053 --> 01:00:22,173
It was theorized that she was shot in the
back while retreating from her killer.
1404
01:00:22,833 --> 01:00:26,263
Although she had been fully clothed
when she was found, examiners
1405
01:00:26,273 --> 01:00:29,994
suspected that she had been sexually
assaulted prior to her murder.
1406
01:00:30,724 --> 01:00:35,624
Her clothing had seemingly been put
back on her body by another person,
1407
01:00:35,924 --> 01:00:39,824
as evidenced by a broken zipper
on her jeans and the fact that
1408
01:00:39,824 --> 01:00:42,144
her shoes were on the wrong feet.
1409
01:00:42,564 --> 01:00:42,884
Repy: Weird.
1410
01:00:43,724 --> 01:00:46,524
Austyn: Under her left boot,
which had been placed on her right
1411
01:00:46,524 --> 01:00:49,604
foot, was a single orange sock.
1412
01:00:50,684 --> 01:00:51,614
Repy: Connection.
1413
01:00:52,084 --> 01:00:52,584
Austyn: Yep.
1414
01:00:53,454 --> 01:00:58,384
A Colorado Bureau of Investigations agent
who had attended Bobbi Jo's crime scene
1415
01:00:58,384 --> 01:01:03,614
and Annette Schnee's autopsy immediately
recognized the sock as the mate of
1416
01:01:03,614 --> 01:01:05,724
the one found near Bobbi Jo's body.
1417
01:01:06,974 --> 01:01:10,664
He theorized that these
two cases were connected.
1418
01:01:11,224 --> 01:01:16,330
The socks were determined to have belonged
to Annette, who had presumably lost
1419
01:01:16,330 --> 01:01:19,150
one sock in her assailant's vehicle.
1420
01:01:19,890 --> 01:01:24,190
Investigators believe that Bobbi Jo
had inadvertently kicked or dragged
1421
01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:28,080
the abandoned sock out of that same
assailant's vehicle hours later-
1422
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:30,686
while she was fighting for her life.
1423
01:01:31,786 --> 01:01:35,666
But the orange sock, albeit the
most concrete link between the two
1424
01:01:35,666 --> 01:01:38,526
women, obviously wasn't the only one.
1425
01:01:39,306 --> 01:01:44,106
In the pocket of Annette's jacket was
a business card for Alpine Appliance
1426
01:01:44,106 --> 01:01:47,116
Sale and Service out of Alma, Colorado.
1427
01:01:47,676 --> 01:01:50,576
The associate's name on the
card was Jeff Oberholtzer.
1428
01:01:52,286 --> 01:01:52,606
Repy: That's crazy.
1429
01:01:52,616 --> 01:01:54,106
Austyn: Just like he had said.
1430
01:01:54,156 --> 01:01:54,336
Yeah.
1431
01:01:54,416 --> 01:01:57,426
So now we have the concrete
link between the two of them.
1432
01:01:58,146 --> 01:02:02,346
If Jeff was the prime suspect in Bobbi
Jo's murder before Annette's body was
1433
01:02:02,346 --> 01:02:07,016
found, this new piece of information shot
him straight to the top of the suspect-
1434
01:02:07,016 --> 01:02:09,706
Yeah … list for double homicide.
1435
01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:15,382
Jeff was questioned about Annette's
murder, and again, he said, "You
1436
01:02:15,382 --> 01:02:17,582
know, I think I gave her a ride.
1437
01:02:17,662 --> 01:02:22,082
It was probably sometime in November,"
which was less than two months
1438
01:02:22,082 --> 01:02:23,752
before these murders happened.
1439
01:02:23,912 --> 01:02:29,081
He said that it wasn't unusual for him
to give the card to Annette because
1440
01:02:29,091 --> 01:02:33,441
he was kind of giving them out to
everyone, trying to grow his business.
1441
01:02:33,731 --> 01:02:34,041
Repy: Right.
1442
01:02:34,041 --> 01:02:36,061
He was- So- … just like,
"Hey, I gave you a ride. Here"
1443
01:02:36,381 --> 01:02:37,341
Austyn: Yeah, exactly.
1444
01:02:37,541 --> 01:02:42,672
But that kind of, to me, is…
It's a weird coincidence, right?
1445
01:02:42,962 --> 01:02:43,262
But-
1446
01:02:43,272 --> 01:02:43,552
Repy: Mm-hmm
1447
01:02:43,772 --> 01:02:46,922
…
Austyn: why would you give your
card to someone you're gonna murder?
1448
01:02:47,542 --> 01:02:48,372
Repy: Right, exactly.
1449
01:02:48,372 --> 01:02:49,552
It, like, says the- You know?
1450
01:02:49,562 --> 01:02:50,302
… opposite to me.
1451
01:02:50,302 --> 01:02:51,572
Like- It- … yeah, why would you-
1452
01:02:52,042 --> 01:02:55,212
Austyn: Exactly … have that person
So to me, that's kind of like, that
1453
01:02:55,212 --> 01:02:56,812
makes me trust him a little bit more.
1454
01:02:56,932 --> 01:02:57,262
Repy: Yeah.
1455
01:02:57,332 --> 01:03:02,162
Austyn: So now officials knew that Bobbi
Jo Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee, both
1456
01:03:02,222 --> 01:03:08,182
attractive white women in their 20s who
had long blonde hair, had both had contact
1457
01:03:08,182 --> 01:03:13,582
with Jeff Oberholtzer prior to their
deaths, that they both disappeared on the
1458
01:03:13,592 --> 01:03:17,902
afternoon/evening of the same day, and
that there was this blizzard going on.
1459
01:03:18,172 --> 01:03:18,382
Repy: Right.
1460
01:03:19,372 --> 01:03:22,822
Austyn: All of that combined with
Jeff's earlier premonition, which
1461
01:03:22,822 --> 01:03:27,535
he had reported to police, bad move
made him the most obvious culprit,
1462
01:03:27,875 --> 01:03:31,085
because who else had this connection
between- Right … these two women?
1463
01:03:31,085 --> 01:03:32,415
Repy: Like, that's crazy.
1464
01:03:32,645 --> 01:03:33,015
Austyn: Yeah.
1465
01:03:33,405 --> 01:03:38,627
So they gave Jeff a polygraph, which
we know is trash but- Mm … he passed.
1466
01:03:39,237 --> 01:03:42,157
So they were like, "Rats.
Did not get him there."
1467
01:03:42,197 --> 01:03:43,007
Repy: Dang.
1468
01:03:43,257 --> 01:03:43,777
Austyn: Yeah.
1469
01:03:44,207 --> 01:03:49,517
After the blood found on Bobbi Jo's
gloves were tested, it came back that
1470
01:03:49,787 --> 01:03:52,287
it was not a match to Jeff's blood type.
1471
01:03:52,297 --> 01:03:52,327
Okay.
1472
01:03:53,127 --> 01:03:58,547
When DNA technology… It also
was not a match to Bobbi Jo.
1473
01:03:59,167 --> 01:03:59,557
Repy: Okay.
1474
01:04:00,147 --> 01:04:00,577
Austyn: Yes.
1475
01:04:00,627 --> 01:04:03,857
So it, it didn't match
Bobbi Jo or Annette.
1476
01:04:03,867 --> 01:04:05,467
So it's not their blood.
1477
01:04:05,467 --> 01:04:05,717
Mm-hmm.
1478
01:04:05,717 --> 01:04:07,007
It's not Jeff's blood.
1479
01:04:07,167 --> 01:04:10,147
So it is this- The
killer … other person, yes.
1480
01:04:10,177 --> 01:04:13,881
So when DNA technology advanced
later in the 20th century,
1481
01:04:14,191 --> 01:04:15,981
Jeff was ruled out entirely.
1482
01:04:15,981 --> 01:04:19,211
So besides just knowing it's not the
right blood type, they're like, "The
1483
01:04:19,211 --> 01:04:20,189
DNA does not match." They're like,
1484
01:04:20,189 --> 01:04:21,241
"
Repy: It doesn't match at all," yeah.
1485
01:04:21,501 --> 01:04:21,761
Austyn: Yes.
1486
01:04:21,801 --> 01:04:26,880
Despite This evidence, Jeff was viewed
by many as a killer who got away.
1487
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:31,410
For the next decade, he would share
his theories as to who killed his wife,
1488
01:04:31,540 --> 01:04:33,790
but there were always eyes on him.
1489
01:04:34,770 --> 01:04:35,410
In early- That's so
1490
01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:35,910
Repy: fucked up.
1491
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:36,680
Austyn: It is.
1492
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,990
He, like, lived decades with
people literally viewing
1493
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:40,880
him- Yeah … as a killer.
1494
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,510
In early 2020, the CBI took another
look at the case, and at the cases,
1495
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:53,270
and sent the surviving samples for more
comprehensive genealogical testing.
1496
01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:58,530
They reached out to a Denver company
called United Data Connect, which uses
1497
01:04:58,530 --> 01:05:03,770
publicly available genealogy databases
to compare against crime scene samples.
1498
01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:12,770
On January 9th, 2021, United Data Connect
informed CBI detective Wendy Kipple that
1499
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:18,972
two potential matches had been identified
The individuals who had been, who had
1500
01:05:18,972 --> 01:05:23,552
been matched to the submitted samples
were brothers Alan and Bruce Phillips.
1501
01:05:24,232 --> 01:05:29,132
Bruce was contacted first, and he informed
Detective Kippel that he had never resided
1502
01:05:29,142 --> 01:05:34,782
in the state of Colorado, but that his
younger brother, Alan Lee Phillips, did.
1503
01:05:34,812 --> 01:05:34,822
Hmm.
1504
01:05:36,552 --> 01:05:40,392
Bruce was estranged from Alan, and
he was unsure if he still lived
1505
01:05:40,422 --> 01:05:44,422
there, but he knew that he had
lived in Colorado decades before.
1506
01:05:45,122 --> 01:05:48,952
Detective Kippel quickly traced Alan
Phillips and discovered that he lived
1507
01:05:48,972 --> 01:05:53,662
just outside of Breckenridge, where
he worked as a miner at a local mine.
1508
01:05:53,702 --> 01:06:00,365
He since… Where he had worked s- so
he used to work as a miner, and he had
1509
01:06:00,365 --> 01:06:02,525
since opened a mechanic shop nearby.
1510
01:06:02,535 --> 01:06:02,565
Okay.
1511
01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:06,055
So he's a mechanic at
this point in the 2020s.
1512
01:06:06,765 --> 01:06:11,405
Phillips had been arrested for
burglary and assault in 1973 and had
1513
01:06:11,405 --> 01:06:15,745
provided a full confession detailing
how he had attacked a young woman.
1514
01:06:16,975 --> 01:06:20,325
The first line of the confession
read, quote, "This afternoon,
1515
01:06:20,335 --> 01:06:24,375
while driving home to Fairplay from
Breckenridge, I saw a girl hitchhiking
1516
01:06:24,385 --> 01:06:26,005
on the south edge of Breckenridge.
1517
01:06:26,365 --> 01:06:27,635
I gave the girl a ride.
1518
01:06:28,005 --> 01:06:30,895
She said she was going
to," blank redacted.
1519
01:06:30,895 --> 01:06:31,165
Mm-hmm.
1520
01:06:31,645 --> 01:06:36,515
"I told her I would take her to
Fairplay." He went on to say that
1521
01:06:36,525 --> 01:06:40,785
he had stopped under the guise
of dropping off a toolbox at this
1522
01:06:40,805 --> 01:06:43,495
unoccupied cabin o- next to the road.
1523
01:06:43,675 --> 01:06:48,398
The toolbox was actually his own, and
he kind of, like, took the toolbox out,
1524
01:06:48,398 --> 01:06:53,238
pretended to knock on the door, and then
returned to the car and said like, "Oh,
1525
01:06:53,238 --> 01:06:55,208
no one was home, so I can't drop it off."
1526
01:06:55,428 --> 01:06:59,148
He then, quote, "Turned and
pulled the girl from the Jeep,
1527
01:06:59,408 --> 01:07:01,058
throwing her to her knees.
1528
01:07:01,328 --> 01:07:04,098
She fought, and I began
to hit her with my hands.
1529
01:07:04,378 --> 01:07:07,008
She ran behind the Jeep,
where I threw her down again.
1530
01:07:07,288 --> 01:07:08,548
She began to scream.
1531
01:07:08,738 --> 01:07:11,598
I knew there were people living
in the area, and I panicked.
1532
01:07:11,928 --> 01:07:14,548
I picked up a rock and
hit her several times.
1533
01:07:14,858 --> 01:07:18,738
When I realized that she was hurt and
bleeding, I pulled her back besides
1534
01:07:18,738 --> 01:07:22,788
the Jeep, took a hammer from the
toolbox, and led her to the cabin,
1535
01:07:23,068 --> 01:07:24,838
where I started to clean her head.
1536
01:07:25,398 --> 01:07:29,178
I tried to explain that I did
not know why I had hurt her."
1537
01:07:29,938 --> 01:07:30,418
Repy: Dang.
1538
01:07:31,308 --> 01:07:31,598
Austyn: Yeah.
1539
01:07:32,836 --> 01:07:36,956
So no reason, he just all of
a sudden attacks this woman.
1540
01:07:37,356 --> 01:07:37,606
Repy: Yeah.
1541
01:07:37,866 --> 01:07:41,006
Austyn: Phillips led the girl back
to the Jeep and they continued
1542
01:07:41,016 --> 01:07:45,116
driving to Fair Play until she,
quote, "Suddenly wanted out."
1543
01:07:46,026 --> 01:07:48,186
Repy: Phillips let- I mean,
I'm surprised she still stayed.
1544
01:07:48,186 --> 01:07:49,696
I would've been like, "Goodbye." I,
1545
01:07:49,946 --> 01:07:52,886
Austyn: She was probably in shock
because- Probably … you know,
1546
01:07:52,906 --> 01:07:56,686
that switch that happens when some
people commit violence, this happens
1547
01:07:56,686 --> 01:07:58,246
a lot in domestic violence- Mm-hmm
1548
01:07:58,496 --> 01:08:01,926
where they lash out physically, and
then they're like, "Oh, I'm so sorry.
1549
01:08:01,926 --> 01:08:03,086
I don't know why I did that.
1550
01:08:03,096 --> 01:08:04,016
Let me make it better.
1551
01:08:04,016 --> 01:08:06,726
Let me, like, clean your wounds,"
and like, "It's gonna be okay.
1552
01:08:06,726 --> 01:08:10,816
I'm gonna take care of you." So
I think that, and like obviously
1553
01:08:10,816 --> 01:08:11,856
she was just hit in the head.
1554
01:08:11,856 --> 01:08:13,216
She was probably concussed.
1555
01:08:13,786 --> 01:08:13,966
Right.
1556
01:08:13,966 --> 01:08:16,016
She was just like, "I guess
I'm just doing this." And
1557
01:08:16,016 --> 01:08:18,756
Repy: she's probably just like,
"Well, if I get there, I'll know
1558
01:08:18,756 --> 01:08:22,426
where I can go," whereas like, "I
don't know where I am right now."
1559
01:08:22,916 --> 01:08:23,116
Austyn: Yeah.
1560
01:08:23,236 --> 01:08:26,586
So He actually stops and lets
her out of the car when she says-
1561
01:08:26,586 --> 01:08:27,506
Yeah … she wanted out of the car.
1562
01:08:27,706 --> 01:08:28,710
He came home.
1563
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:32,930
He was very obviously shaken
up, and his wife, 'cause he
1564
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:34,370
was married, was like- Mm-hmm
1565
01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:40,030
"What is wrong with you?" He showered,
and he told her, "Something happened.
1566
01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:43,600
The police are gonna come and get
me." So he kind of prepared for that.
1567
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:46,348
So his wife was kind of like,
"What is going on?" And then all
1568
01:08:46,348 --> 01:08:47,427
of a sudden they come and get him.
1569
01:08:48,187 --> 01:08:53,318
They took him to a hospital where
the victim positively identified
1570
01:08:53,318 --> 01:08:57,168
him, and then he gave a statement
where he confessed to all of this.
1571
01:08:57,248 --> 01:08:58,197
Repy: Right, okay.
1572
01:08:59,037 --> 01:09:02,038
Austyn: Phillips served six
months in jail for that attack.
1573
01:09:02,038 --> 01:09:02,217
What
1574
01:09:02,268 --> 01:09:03,158
Repy: the hell?
1575
01:09:03,617 --> 01:09:06,478
Austyn: Yeah, which is crazy, 'cause
to me that seems like attempted murder.
1576
01:09:06,578 --> 01:09:08,240
Right … not, like an accident.
1577
01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:09,140
Repy: Yeah
1578
01:09:09,690 --> 01:09:10,700
…
Austyn: so Detective Kipple- Like, people
1579
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:13,070
Repy: get more for, like,
having coke on them.
1580
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:14,790
Austyn: Oh, absolutely.
1581
01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:15,070
Yeah.
1582
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:20,257
Also side note, Detective Kipple,
total badass, but she was like, she
1583
01:09:20,267 --> 01:09:23,207
had found like little traces of this
and was like, "Okay, well there's this
1584
01:09:23,207 --> 01:09:25,057
arrest, but there's no file for it."
1585
01:09:25,057 --> 01:09:25,287
Right.
1586
01:09:25,287 --> 01:09:27,827
And she had gone and hunted down
this file, and she was like, it
1587
01:09:27,827 --> 01:09:31,947
was literally the last one in,
like, the- Oh … file cabinet.
1588
01:09:32,657 --> 01:09:34,417
She was like, "It was the
very last one." Bless her.
1589
01:09:36,417 --> 01:09:41,297
Um, so she also learned that
Phillips' name had come up in
1590
01:09:41,297 --> 01:09:44,037
the Breckenridge murders in 2005.
1591
01:09:44,417 --> 01:09:49,927
An anonymous caller had called
Crime Stoppers, and the lead was
1592
01:09:49,927 --> 01:09:54,637
investigated, but they couldn't
verify any connection between Phillips
1593
01:09:54,677 --> 01:09:57,107
and these people, so it went cold.
1594
01:09:57,207 --> 01:10:03,218
Almost 20 years later, Kipple and her
team began surveilling Phillips, waiting
1595
01:10:03,218 --> 01:10:08,378
for him to throw away a straw, a tissue,
anything they could test for DNA.
1596
01:10:09,178 --> 01:10:13,044
To Kipple's dismay, it seemed that
Phillips was careful not to throw away
1597
01:10:13,084 --> 01:10:15,054
anything that could contain his DNA.
1598
01:10:16,084 --> 01:10:20,314
Whether Phillips had been keeping all
of his nasty rags to himself since the
1599
01:10:20,314 --> 01:10:25,724
dawn of DNA testing, or if he suspected
that the CBI was onto him, is unclear.
1600
01:10:25,734 --> 01:10:29,724
Repy: What an interesting way to
live your life, if that is true.
1601
01:10:30,174 --> 01:10:33,704
Yeah, and- You just keeping
paper towels and stuff.
1602
01:10:33,914 --> 01:10:35,374
Austyn: I guess.
1603
01:10:35,774 --> 01:10:35,984
And-
1604
01:10:35,984 --> 01:10:36,494
Repy: Burning it?
1605
01:10:36,514 --> 01:10:41,284
Austyn: So at this point,
Phillips was a hermit, basically.
1606
01:10:41,284 --> 01:10:43,044
That's how Kipple described him.
1607
01:10:43,054 --> 01:10:48,165
Mm. He rarely interacted with other
people, and he stayed close to home.
1608
01:10:48,665 --> 01:10:52,754
They said that he literally
never threw trash away
1609
01:10:53,976 --> 01:10:55,026
Repy: What a weirdo
1610
01:10:55,046 --> 01:10:58,946
Austyn: And to this day, Kipple is like,
"I don't know what he did with his trash."
1611
01:10:59,596 --> 01:11:02,306
Repy: He must have burned
it, but still, like…
1612
01:11:02,676 --> 01:11:06,289
Austyn: But, like, they were out-
sitting outside his house for so long,
1613
01:11:06,299 --> 01:11:08,419
and they're like, "We didn't see smoke."
1614
01:11:08,589 --> 01:11:08,859
Right.
1615
01:11:08,859 --> 01:11:11,929
"We never saw… There were no trash cans.
Nothing came out of that house." Do you
1616
01:11:11,949 --> 01:11:12,859
Repy: think he ate it?
1617
01:11:12,959 --> 01:11:13,305
What could
1618
01:11:13,305 --> 01:11:13,620
Austyn: he have done?
1619
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,100
I, that's what I was gonna say,
like, is he just eating everything?
1620
01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:16,130
Yeah.
1621
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:20,820
Is he living, like, the most
sustainable trash free- Is he
1622
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:22,220
Repy: burying it all?
1623
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:22,835
… free life ever?
1624
01:11:22,835 --> 01:11:23,160
Like, what?
1625
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:24,990
Austyn: I mean, that's a possibility.
1626
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:25,630
Repy: Yeah.
1627
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,980
Austyn: I have no idea,
but, like, strange.
1628
01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:33,300
So you have to wonder, like, if he
knew- Yeah … that this was going on.
1629
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:39,370
After five weeks of sitting in
unmarked police cruisers and wondering
1630
01:11:39,380 --> 01:11:43,970
what Phillips did with his trash,
Kipple thought she may get a break.
1631
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:50,230
Investigators saw Phillips leave his home
and drive straight to a Sonic drive-in.
1632
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:50,270
Oh, no.
1633
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:54,500
They watched him order
his food and eat it.
1634
01:11:55,470 --> 01:11:57,230
They were racked with suspense.
1635
01:11:57,230 --> 01:12:00,710
They're like, "Okay, he's getting
his food. He's eating it." And then
1636
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:02,850
he didn't throw his trash away.
1637
01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:03,630
Repy: No.
1638
01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:10,340
Austyn: Defeated, the officers continued
to follow Phillips to a local post
1639
01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:16,880
office location, where he entered with
his Sonic bag and left without it.
1640
01:12:17,650 --> 01:12:18,060
Repy: Get it.
1641
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:19,050
Austyn: Get it, get it, get it.
1642
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:23,860
Within moments of Phillips pulling
away from the post office, officers had
1643
01:12:23,860 --> 01:12:26,460
recovered the discarded fast food bag.
1644
01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:26,716
Hell yeah.
1645
01:12:26,716 --> 01:12:29,660
And they have a picture of it sitting
in the trash can in the post office.
1646
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:30,180
Oh my
1647
01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:30,970
Repy: gosh.
1648
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:36,970
Austyn: Those five weeks of work paid off
when a DNA lab was able to successfully
1649
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,830
isolate Phillips' DNA from a bit of
saliva on a napkin from inside the bag.
1650
01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:47,220
He was a match to the blood
from Bobbie Jo's crime scene.
1651
01:12:47,370 --> 01:12:48,840
Repy: Oh my God.
1652
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:49,420
Austyn: Yes.
1653
01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:54,190
In photos taken from Allen Lee
Phillips' arrest, the 70-year-old's
1654
01:12:54,190 --> 01:12:57,650
mouth hangs open aghast and in
total shock- He can't believe
1655
01:12:57,650 --> 01:12:57,940
Repy: it
1656
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:02,070
…
Austyn: right, as he's put into
handcuffs by none other than
1657
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,100
Wendy motherfucking Kipple.
1658
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:04,680
Repy: Hell yeah.
1659
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:05,850
Get his ass.
1660
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:06,690
Austyn: Yes.
1661
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:11,390
It had been 40 years since the
murders- Oh my gosh … of Bobbie
1662
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:13,720
Jo Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee.
1663
01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:14,790
Repy: Damn.
1664
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:20,848
Austyn: Yeah In the wake of Alan Lee
Phillips' arrest, Fire Chief Dave
1665
01:13:20,868 --> 01:13:26,748
Montoya thought back to the night
of January 6th, 1982, and remembered
1666
01:13:26,748 --> 01:13:28,908
rescuing Phillips from the snowbank.
1667
01:13:28,978 --> 01:13:30,708
Repy: Oh my God.
1668
01:13:31,358 --> 01:13:35,378
Austyn: Montoya had briefly worked
with Phillips in the local mines,
1669
01:13:35,418 --> 01:13:37,478
and immediately recognized him.
1670
01:13:38,128 --> 01:13:41,948
Phillips told Montoya that he had
gone out drinking and had decided
1671
01:13:41,948 --> 01:13:46,268
to take the pass so he wouldn't get
pulled over driving on the highway.
1672
01:13:47,178 --> 01:13:52,598
40 years later, Montoya recalled the
cut on Phillips' face and realized that
1673
01:13:52,608 --> 01:13:54,838
he hadn't slipped and hit his head.
1674
01:13:54,848 --> 01:13:54,938
Oh,
1675
01:13:54,938 --> 01:13:55,168
Repy: wow.
1676
01:13:56,208 --> 01:14:02,108
Austyn: That cut was the last action of
Bobbi Jo Oberholtzer, her final attempt
1677
01:14:02,168 --> 01:14:05,138
to protect herself and save her own life.
1678
01:14:05,248 --> 01:14:06,688
Repy: Oh my gosh.
1679
01:14:06,778 --> 01:14:07,028
Yeah.
1680
01:14:07,028 --> 01:14:07,878
That's devastating.
1681
01:14:08,328 --> 01:14:09,088
Austyn: It is.
1682
01:14:09,168 --> 01:14:13,278
Montoya stated, quote, "If I
had known what I know then, I
1683
01:14:13,278 --> 01:14:14,618
probably would have left him."
1684
01:14:15,128 --> 01:14:15,538
Repy: Hell yeah.
1685
01:14:18,116 --> 01:14:23,596
Austyn: On August 31st, 2022, testimony
in Phillips' jury trial began.
1686
01:14:24,696 --> 01:14:27,576
Phillips pleaded not
guilty to both murders.
1687
01:14:28,076 --> 01:14:32,736
The defense focused back on Jeff
Oberholtzer, the man who had seemed
1688
01:14:32,766 --> 01:14:35,826
like such a clear suspect in 1982.
1689
01:14:35,896 --> 01:14:35,926
Right.
1690
01:14:36,186 --> 01:14:40,919
Jeff had remarried, but he had never
let go of Bobbie Jo or her murder.
1691
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:45,712
He had kept- the case alive, never
letting the rumors and opinions of
1692
01:14:45,712 --> 01:14:49,492
locals stop him from making sure
that Bobbie Jo wasn't forgotten.
1693
01:14:49,912 --> 01:14:53,512
Repy: And this poor guy didn't do
it, and half the town thought he did.
1694
01:14:53,692 --> 01:14:54,482
Austyn: Yeah.
1695
01:14:54,672 --> 01:14:58,272
He said, quote, "Once you give
someone your love, you never take
1696
01:14:58,272 --> 01:15:00,262
it back, and I don't want to."
1697
01:15:00,272 --> 01:15:00,282
Aw.
1698
01:15:00,732 --> 01:15:04,722
"There's a special place in my heart,
and Bobbie will always be there."
1699
01:15:05,802 --> 01:15:09,842
During Phillips' trial, the defense
asserted that Jeff Oberholtzer had
1700
01:15:09,852 --> 01:15:15,282
motive to kill Bobbie Jo because she
had, of all things, brought home cold
1701
01:15:15,322 --> 01:15:17,122
pizza the night before her murder.
1702
01:15:17,132 --> 01:15:17,992
Repy: Oh, yeah.
1703
01:15:18,352 --> 01:15:18,912
Austyn: Yeah, right?
1704
01:15:18,922 --> 01:15:19,162
Repy: Classic.
1705
01:15:20,042 --> 01:15:24,102
Austyn: The defense also questioned Jeff
about his premonition, claiming that
1706
01:15:24,112 --> 01:15:27,702
only the killer would have been able to
know roughly where Annette's body would
1707
01:15:27,712 --> 01:15:32,292
be found, although it didn't explain
him knowing the approximate date that
1708
01:15:32,302 --> 01:15:34,052
her body would be discovered, and also
1709
01:15:34,152 --> 01:15:35,663
he was three miles off.
1710
01:15:35,823 --> 01:15:36,243
Repy: Yeah.
1711
01:15:36,293 --> 01:15:37,983
Austyn: So he didn't know exactly.
1712
01:15:37,993 --> 01:15:39,213
You know, it's, it's a whole thing.
1713
01:15:39,553 --> 01:15:44,500
In the end, the DNA evidence outweighed
any speculation about Jeff's pizza
1714
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:46,710
preferences or psychic abilities.
1715
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:47,150
Repy: Right.
1716
01:15:48,230 --> 01:15:53,170
Austyn: On September 15th, 2022,
Allen Lee Phillips was found guilty
1717
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,480
of two counts of first-degree murder
and six additional charges after
1718
01:15:57,480 --> 01:15:59,860
four hours of jury deliberation.
1719
01:16:00,620 --> 01:16:04,790
Jeff Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee's
sisters shared a moment of relief,
1720
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:09,820
followed by a wave of empathy when
they f- noticed Phillips' daughter
1721
01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:11,410
crying- Oh … in the gallery.
1722
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:16,200
Just over seven weeks later,
Phillips was sentenced to serve two
1723
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,320
consecutive life sentences in prison
without the possibility of parole.
1724
01:16:21,090 --> 01:16:26,970
Phillips died by suicide on February
27th, 2023, at the Arkansas Valley
1725
01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:31,580
Correctional Facility after having
served just two years behind bars
1726
01:16:32,502 --> 01:16:32,772
Repy: Little
1727
01:16:32,802 --> 01:16:34,812
Austyn: bitch He couldn't take it.
1728
01:16:35,042 --> 01:16:35,422
No.
1729
01:16:35,432 --> 01:16:36,622
He was not tough enough.
1730
01:16:36,742 --> 01:16:40,711
Today a large wooden cross marks
where Bobbi Jo's body was found,
1731
01:16:40,721 --> 01:16:44,161
and a small black cross marks
where Annette's body was recovered.
1732
01:16:44,501 --> 01:16:48,311
Following Phillips' conviction,
Annette's two sisters and her brother
1733
01:16:48,321 --> 01:16:53,371
visited both sites to thank Bobbi Jo for
fighting back and leaving the evidence
1734
01:16:53,371 --> 01:16:58,231
that convicted- Yeah … Phillips,
and to tell Annette that her killer
1735
01:16:58,241 --> 01:17:00,851
had finally been brought to justice.
1736
01:17:01,091 --> 01:17:01,451
Repy: Oh.
1737
01:17:01,701 --> 01:17:05,651
Austyn: Investigators believe that
Allen Lee Phillips likely committed
1738
01:17:05,661 --> 01:17:09,961
additional murders before his arrest,
but no potential leads have been
1739
01:17:09,961 --> 01:17:11,921
publicly announced at this time.
1740
01:17:12,711 --> 01:17:17,397
The CBI Investigators do think
that he was a serial killer.
1741
01:17:17,897 --> 01:17:18,307
Repy: Yeah.
1742
01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:18,877
Ugh.
1743
01:17:18,947 --> 01:17:19,267
Austyn: Yeah.
1744
01:17:19,917 --> 01:17:20,307
Repy: What a piece of shit.
1745
01:17:20,437 --> 01:17:20,937
Austyn: So, yeah.
1746
01:17:21,111 --> 01:17:25,871
And I mean, for it to go for so
long, and just- Mm … the way
1747
01:17:25,871 --> 01:17:29,511
that everything happened, like the
Sonic bag, him not throwing out his
1748
01:17:29,691 --> 01:17:32,293
trash- Yes … the psychic aspect.
1749
01:17:32,313 --> 01:17:32,953
Like it's-
1750
01:17:33,003 --> 01:17:33,443
Repy: Yeah,
1751
01:17:33,443 --> 01:17:35,113
Austyn: It's such a wild story.
1752
01:17:35,363 --> 01:17:36,693
And the socks.
1753
01:17:36,983 --> 01:17:37,333
Yeah.
1754
01:17:37,333 --> 01:17:40,583
Because without the socks they
would've just been like, "Oh yeah, two
1755
01:17:40,583 --> 01:17:44,283
girls went missing in a blizzard and
someone- Right … killed them," right?
1756
01:17:44,643 --> 01:17:44,883
Repy: Yeah.
1757
01:17:45,781 --> 01:17:48,141
Austyn: But the orange socks
1758
01:17:48,191 --> 01:17:49,361
Repy: The orange sock connected them
1759
01:17:49,361 --> 01:17:50,181
…
Austyn: linked them.
1760
01:17:50,311 --> 01:17:50,851
Yeah.
1761
01:17:51,331 --> 01:17:51,631
Repy: It's insane.
1762
01:17:51,641 --> 01:17:55,830
Austyn: So absolutely crazy, and
also not like, orange socks are a
1763
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:58,310
thing with, like, Henry Lee Lucas.
1764
01:17:58,770 --> 01:17:59,200
Oh, yes.
1765
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,210
Because one of his victims was
referred to as Orange Socks.
1766
01:18:03,010 --> 01:18:03,840
It's just weird.
1767
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:04,500
It's like this- It is
1768
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:04,850
Repy: weird
1769
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,440
…
Austyn: true crime thing
that keeps popping up.
1770
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:08,120
Repy: Yes.
1771
01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:11,820
Austyn: So weird kind of like
synchronicity there, but yeah.
1772
01:18:11,930 --> 01:18:16,490
Finally, after 40 years- Solved … they
were able to solve this murder.
1773
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:17,240
Damn.
1774
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:18,070
DNA, man.
1775
01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:18,590
I
1776
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:19,655
Repy: mean- It'll get
1777
01:18:19,655 --> 01:18:19,930
Austyn: ya.
1778
01:18:19,930 --> 01:18:23,940
I know, and it's getting so good-
Lots of people … and so much,
1779
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,483
it's really just a matter of time
for all of this evidence to be run
1780
01:18:28,483 --> 01:18:30,523
through- Right … the matches, right?
1781
01:18:31,243 --> 01:18:37,103
So and then this case in particular,
like the genetic testing company
1782
01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:42,833
that they used, they used like those
publicly available, like Ancestry- Right
1783
01:18:43,423 --> 01:18:44,863
23andMe, all of that.
1784
01:18:45,263 --> 01:18:46,476
That is what they draw from.
1785
01:18:46,476 --> 01:18:51,596
So it- Mm-hmm … always just amazes
me, because I think about, like, how
1786
01:18:51,596 --> 01:18:54,916
long is it gonna take until every-
a bit of everyone's DNA is in there.
1787
01:18:54,916 --> 01:18:55,276
DNA is, yeah.
1788
01:18:55,286 --> 01:19:00,006
Like, just, just like even distant
relatives, like, that you can trace back.
1789
01:19:00,006 --> 01:19:01,906
So it just keeps going.
1790
01:19:01,916 --> 01:19:01,946
Right.
1791
01:19:02,406 --> 01:19:02,576
Repy: Yep.
1792
01:19:02,596 --> 01:19:03,096
Austyn: Yeah.
1793
01:19:03,526 --> 01:19:08,156
So you, I mean, you could definitely
make a case that maybe from a privacy
1794
01:19:08,156 --> 01:19:11,426
standpoint we don't love it, but- Hmm,
but you know- … when it comes to
1795
01:19:11,426 --> 01:19:12,331
this kind of stuff … when it comes
1796
01:19:12,331 --> 01:19:14,236
Repy: to murder, though, I like it.
1797
01:19:14,586 --> 01:19:15,506
Austyn: Yeah, exactly.
1798
01:19:15,526 --> 01:19:17,326
I like it in this context a lot.
1799
01:19:17,336 --> 01:19:17,516
Yes.
1800
01:19:19,706 --> 01:19:24,336
So those are our cold cases
that have now been solved.
1801
01:19:24,506 --> 01:19:24,616
Repy: Yes.
1802
01:19:24,616 --> 01:19:24,676
Austyn: Yay.
1803
01:19:24,686 --> 01:19:27,806
We went hot, cold- Cold … warm.
1804
01:19:28,456 --> 01:19:29,046
Repy: Ooh.
1805
01:19:29,056 --> 01:19:29,086
Hot.
1806
01:19:29,626 --> 01:19:30,146
Austyn: Yep.
1807
01:19:30,676 --> 01:19:31,526
Explosion.
1808
01:19:32,006 --> 01:19:32,066
Yes.
1809
01:19:33,416 --> 01:19:36,146
So happy endings on this one.
1810
01:19:36,406 --> 01:19:42,627
Um- Yeah … next time we
have a, uh, a lighter topic.
1811
01:19:43,147 --> 01:19:45,302
But that Is it for this one.
1812
01:19:45,302 --> 01:19:45,572
That's it.
1813
01:19:45,572 --> 01:19:45,682
Repy: That's
1814
01:19:45,682 --> 01:19:45,722
Austyn: it, yeah.
1815
01:19:45,732 --> 01:19:46,192
That is it.
1816
01:19:47,672 --> 01:19:47,962
Repy: Excellent.
1817
01:19:48,652 --> 01:19:48,952
Austyn: Yes.
1818
01:19:49,092 --> 01:19:54,036
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1819
01:19:54,136 --> 01:19:56,546
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1820
01:19:56,576 --> 01:19:59,776
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1821
01:20:00,646 --> 01:20:01,056
Repy: Mm-hmm.
1822
01:20:01,056 --> 01:20:03,526
I am reppilikepeppi on everything.
1823
01:20:04,386 --> 01:20:06,606
Austyn: Okay, and-
Ooh … I think that's it.
1824
01:20:07,306 --> 01:20:07,866
Repy: Yeah, I think so.
1825
01:20:08,466 --> 01:20:09,706
Austyn: That's it for now.
1826
01:20:09,716 --> 01:20:09,746
Okay.
1827
01:20:09,756 --> 01:20:11,076
We will see you next time.
1828
01:20:11,086 --> 01:20:11,106
Bye.
1829
01:20:11,146 --> 01:20:12,986
Happy hauntings, everyone.
1830
01:20:13,636 --> 01:20:14,446
Bye.